mitnick-digest Sunday, September 27 1998 Volume 01 : Number 167 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 23:35:57 -0500 From: "Joe Shambro" Subject: Re: [mitnick] has there been any response? I really do think that they need to recognise the fact that his right to Trial has been totally unrecognised. Isn't what he did usually punished by probation? - -Joe - -----Original Message----- From: Caliban Tiresias Darklock To: mitnick@2600.com Date: Friday, September 25, 1998 11:28 PM Subject: Re: [mitnick] has there been any response? >On 09:11 PM 9/25/98 -0600, I personally witnessed Kevin Joubert jumping up >to say: >> >>I don't expect anyone to be "sympathetic" with the fact that he got caught >>breaking the law. > >Not a fact, just yet... careful on that. The evidence I've seen is rather >less than compelling. > >Do I think someone who did the things they say Kevin did belongs in jail? >Yes. Whether Kevin did them is something I am not in a position to determine. > >>But, I do expect my elected officials to be absolutely >>OUTRAGED at the way that Kevin has been treated since his arrest. [...] >>I expect the same from everyone out there who has half a brain and >>knows anything about the fundamental principles that this nation was founded >>on. > >I agree with you one thousand percent on this. It's not his arrest we're >protesting, as much as the violation of his fundamental right to fair >trial. I think this is a distinction that the media has not quite picked up >on from our previous communications. > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >Caliban Tiresias Darklock | "I'm not sorry or >Darklock Communications | ashamed of who I >PGP Key AD21EE50 at | really am." >FREE KEVIN MITNICK! | - Charles Manson > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 22:17:52 -0700 From: Caliban Tiresias Darklock Subject: Re: [mitnick] The result from the HFG web page hack On 09:55 PM 9/25/98 -0600, I personally witnessed Kevin Joubert jumping up to say: > >-----Original Message----- >From: Caliban Tiresias Darklock >To: mitnick@2600.com >Date: Friday, September 25, 1998 4:20 AM >Subject: Re: [mitnick] The result from the HFG web page hack > > > >>My own personal distinction of whether action X is ethical or not is as >>follows: "If I were that person/entity and someone did this to me, would I >>be willing to accept that as fair?" If the answer comes back "yes", then >>it's ethical. If it comes back "no", it's not > >Forgive me but your personal distinction sucks. : ) Forgive me if I find you to be outrageously cynical. >No one wants anything unpleasant done to them no matter how ethical, just, >or "fair" it is. I don't have to LIKE it, just agree that it's fair. If I built a software application, and someone else built a better one, and everyone bought that one instead of mine, I wouldn't like it. But it would be fair, and therefore building a better software program is ethical. If, however, that same person built an operating system enhancement which would disable or damage my application but not theirs in order to use that program's market to close my market and open theirs, it is not fair, and unless there is a damn good reason for it I would have to say it's unethical. >>I think terrorism is an excellent description of what they did, myself. >>They took action against a perceived power structure by force for the >>purpose of making a political statement. > >No. The very word "terrorism" is derived from the the word "terror". >Terrorism has the expressed purpose of inflicting terror. Some persons known >as "terrorists" use terrorism to make a political statement. That doesn't >make all acts of defiance against authority acts of terrorism. Exactly. Only acts of defiance that frighten people. I would say that people are plenty frightened of what those evil immoral unethical hackers are going to do next. ;) >>>No, this is an old-fashioned ethical idea: that with power comes a >>>responsibility to refrain from hurting people with that power. >> >>I thought the responsibility to refrain from hurting people came with being >>human. Call me a romantic. > >I'll call you naive. My rabbi once told me, when asked what the principle tenet of Judaism was: "That which is hurtful to you, do not do unto thy neighbor. All else is commentary." It wasn't original, having been said before by another rabbi long ago, but it was the first time I'd heard it. And that made real, serious sense to me. I live my life under that general rule. Far from being naive, I would call it giving mankind the benefit of the doubt. Saying "I know you have the potential to be one evil malicious sonofabitch, but I will trust you to fulfill your potential in the other direction anyway." Neils Bohr said that perception creates reality. I have found that to be true in many cases. Especially when applied to people. So if I choose to perceive mankind as fundamentally benevolent, there is a reasonable chance that it will be true. The converse applies, so I quite pointedly and deliberately refuse to believe that mankind is inherently evil. >Humans are beasts. Intelligent beasts I grant you but >horrible, violent, brutal beasts none-the-less. Humans also have the intellectual capacity to control their emotions and restrain their baser desires, which most men of reason believe *separates* us from the beasts. >the VAST majority will feel >the weight of whatever is in their hands and think, "Man, I could really >fuck something up with this". When I bought my house here in Washington, there were some big lengths of galvanised steel pipe in the back field. I picked one up, and hefted it, and thought "Hmmm... what could I do with this?" Then I whacked it up against the blacktop on the driveway, and it made this fantastically beautiful sound like a steel bell. So I went and got a tape recorder. Now I have this gorgeous steel bell sound in a WAV file on my PC, and I use it as my default beep. Maybe I'm just weird. In any case, if people were more like me, the world would be a better place; so I could arguably conclude that I'm better than other people. ;) >Beasts. Violent beasts. We have the potential to be much, much more. Denial of that potential makes us beasts. The exercise of that potential makes us men. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Caliban Tiresias Darklock | "I'm not sorry or Darklock Communications | ashamed of who I PGP Key AD21EE50 at | really am." FREE KEVIN MITNICK! | - Charles Manson ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 01:34:57 -0600 From: "Kevin Joubert" Subject: [mitnick] Re: check for mitnick t-shirts:ATTN:EVERYONE! OK. check should be made out to me Kevin Joubert Go to http://members.xoom.com/TelePhreak/merch.html for all the details and address and stuff. Also, please EMAIL me when you send snail mail order so I can plan ahead. I will do the same at shipment time Kevin Joubert - -----Original Message----- From: rickdogg To: compex@earthling.net Date: Friday, September 25, 1998 9:40 PM Subject: check for mitnick t-shirts >Greetings, > >Who do I make the check out for the t-shirts? Thanks in advance. > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 01:41:15 -0600 From: "Kevin Joubert" Subject: Re: [mitnick] The result from the HFG web page hack - -----Original Message----- From: Caliban Tiresias Darklock To: mitnick@2600.com Date: Friday, September 25, 1998 11:27 PM Subject: Re: [mitnick] The result from the HFG web page hack > >>Beasts. Violent beasts. > >We have the potential to be much, much more. Denial of that potential makes >us beasts. The exercise of that potential makes us men. "Eloquently put, but pure pooh pooh," said the realist to the idealist. If man had put one miniscule fraction of the amount of time we have spent into destroying each other into helping each other then we would have evolved beyone the need for our own bodies by now. Like something out of Star Trek. I prefer to acknowledge the fact that I am a barbarian, capable of barbarous acts. I am kept barely in check by my conscience. I don't kill my neighbor for making too much noise in the morning, but just BARELY. The caveman lurks there under some shallow layer of skin. GRRRRRRRR. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 01:43:28 -0600 From: "Kevin Joubert" Subject: Re: [mitnick] has there been any response? Actually, they usually TRY to throw the book at hackers to justify their "computer crime" budgets. They have just been more successful with Kevin I think. They are practically bludgeoning him with the book. Only if they bothered to open the damn book and read it, they would see that what they are doing is expressly prohibited. - -----Original Message----- From: Joe Shambro To: mitnick@2600.com Date: Friday, September 25, 1998 10:42 PM Subject: Re: [mitnick] has there been any response? >I really do think that they need to recognise the fact that his right to >Trial has been totally unrecognised. > >Isn't what he did usually punished by probation? > >-Joe > >-----Original Message----- >From: Caliban Tiresias Darklock >To: mitnick@2600.com >Date: Friday, September 25, 1998 11:28 PM >Subject: Re: [mitnick] has there been any response? > > >>On 09:11 PM 9/25/98 -0600, I personally witnessed Kevin Joubert jumping up >>to say: >>> >>>I don't expect anyone to be "sympathetic" with the fact that he got caught >>>breaking the law. >> >>Not a fact, just yet... careful on that. The evidence I've seen is rather >>less than compelling. >> >>Do I think someone who did the things they say Kevin did belongs in jail? >>Yes. Whether Kevin did them is something I am not in a position to >determine. >> >>>But, I do expect my elected officials to be absolutely >>>OUTRAGED at the way that Kevin has been treated since his arrest. [...] >>>I expect the same from everyone out there who has half a brain and >>>knows anything about the fundamental principles that this nation was >founded >>>on. >> >>I agree with you one thousand percent on this. It's not his arrest we're >>protesting, as much as the violation of his fundamental right to fair >>trial. I think this is a distinction that the media has not quite picked up >>on from our previous communications. >> >>----------------------------------------------------------------------- >>Caliban Tiresias Darklock | "I'm not sorry or >>Darklock Communications | ashamed of who I >>PGP Key AD21EE50 at | really am." >>FREE KEVIN MITNICK! | - Charles Manson >> >> > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 04:46:36 -0400 (EDT) From: ksandre Subject: Re: [mitnick] The result from the HFG web page hack On Fri, 25 Sep 1998, Caliban Tiresias Darklock wrote: > > Well, call me a romantic. Shakespeare doesn't really have much purpose in > modern life, either, but I like reading his work. I also like the feel of a You should watch "Wishbone" on Public Television sometime. The writers quite effectively demonstrate otherwise in very simple, everyday ways for kids (ie., "Henry IV, Part 1") with not only Shakespeare, but other classics. (Let's not continue this part of the topic on the list though - unless we can find some Shakespeare or other classics to apply to KM's Case.) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 02:28:21 -0700 From: Caliban Tiresias Darklock Subject: Re: [mitnick] The result from the HFG web page hack On 01:41 AM 9/26/98 -0600, I personally witnessed Kevin Joubert jumping up to say: > >"Eloquently put, but pure pooh pooh," said the realist to the idealist. Eleanor Roosevelt once said, "It is better to light a single candle than to curse the darkness." I tend to agree. Maybe that makes me an idealist, but it would be a grave mistake to think that makes me gullible. Ask anyone that's ever worked with me -- I can be one ruthless, cold-hearted motherfucker if you get on the other side of the table and start figuratively growling and snapping. I don't go there at the drop of a hat, but it sure as hell ain't unfamiliar territory. Lest the above be considered some sort of threat -- which it isn't, but it could be construed that way -- my point is that you can *have* high ideals and still recognise the requisite reality that sometimes you have to bust some ass to get people's attention. Which brings up the logical question, when do you have a reasonable need to bust someone's ass, like the state is doing to Kevin, or like HFG did to the NYT? That's really where we started on this, and oddly enough -- even though we wandered this far afield -- it still all comes back to "what *justifies* barbarism?" Kevin, like it or not, is an oddity. A freak of the legal system, the computer culture, and the overly influential nature of media hype. Whether what is happening to him is shameful or not, it is still reasonable for many people to conclude "He's just one guy." It's also important to many people to believe that their government really does have their best interests at heart, so they turn a blind eye in order to preserve the fiction that their government will never treat them with gross injustice. And furthermore, it is part of human nature to deny what we fear -- and people fear hackers, so they want to deny that they exist, and as a result they want to pretend Kevin isn't there at all. There are thousands of reasons people might want to remain ignorant of Kevin's situation. ("Plight of the Condor"?) Now, looking at this, these people apparently need to be whacked in the side of the head (e.g. have their reality suddenly and drastically altered to turn their gaze to the right place, such as by hacking a web site) and forced to look at how Kevin's been mistreated. But whacking them in the side of the head like this is NOT going to make them sympathetic; it's sort of like walking up to somebody and shouting "HEY! THEY LOCKED UP MY NEIGHBOR FOR SHOUTING! IT WASN'T FAIR!" -- all you really do with that is display to them that people do shout, and that it's really annoying, and that you wish this guy would shut up and go away but he won't. Given what he's complaining about, you think about him being locked up for shouting, and it gives you a nice warm fuzzy feeling that someone is doing something about this shouting problem which has obviously gotten out of hand. So my point, of course, is -- maybe we should be doing something ELSE. I mean, the question of right or wrong sort of pales in comparison to the question of constructive or destructive. We can *answer* the latter question. Scott Adams once said "The proper solution to any given problem is always, by amazing coincidence, the only approach you know." Someone else said "To a man with a hammer, everything looks like a nail." And it seems rather obvious that we're all talking about hacking for Kevin, because we're hackers. Hacking is our hammer, and it's the only approach we know in many cases. I, for one, think this problem really doesn't look like a nail at all. It looks like a screw. You *can* drive a screw with a hammer, of course, but it takes a godawful long time and it's not going to work very well when you're done. ;) >If >man had put one miniscule fraction of the amount of time we have spent into >destroying each other into helping each other then we would have evolved >beyone the need for our own bodies by now. Like something out of Star Trek. That's... a pretty specific prediction. Completely unsupportable, totally unprovable, and ultimately about as useful as the hole in a donut. Because, in very real terms, we HAVE done this: a "miniscule fraction" is pretty much anything greater than zero. I have put effort into helping my fellow man, and by extension (since I am a part of humanity) so have we, and thus even if the only good deeds ever done were those that I myself have perpetrated upon a hideously evil and worthless world -- and I know they are not, because I've seen others do right by their fellow man as well -- there has been more than nothing invested. So we *have* invested a miniscule fraction of that effort, and yet we remain bound to our bodies, which brings your entire proposition down like a house of cards. (Unless death is evolution, and rather than expiring from the world, we merely transcend our physical selves. But let's not discuss that, or anything very close to it. It's far too similar to religion for my taste, and nobody wins when you discuss religion in public because nobody has any answers -- just a lot of questions and a lot more maybes.) If you reject that conclusion, you are actively insisting that nobody has ever helped anybody since the dawn of time. That each and every act ever undertaken by any man or woman on the face of this planet has been directed purely and specifically at our own destruction. And in order to take that position, you must by extension admit that *your* every action on this planet has been so directed. That's a hell of a thing to think of yourself. And aren't we all here to help Kevin? That sort of blows the idea out of the water, doesn't it? >I prefer to acknowledge the fact that I am a barbarian, capable of barbarous >acts. Now hold on! I never said to *deny* your baser nature -- Jung called it the shadow, and boldly postulated that he who denied its existence would be consumed by it -- merely that there was a lot more to humanity than that. I'm certainly capable of some pretty base acts -- they didn't drop me on Panama in '89 for *no* reason -- but I don't select those baser activities in preference to all others because that's just my *nature*. That's a complete cop-out. Sure, we're hunters, warriors, and beasts by heritage and by nature. But that doesn't mean we can never be anything else. To say we are *only* beasts trivialises everything mankind has ever worked and hoped for. To say we are *not* beasts is a dangerous and destructive form of self-delusion that will ultimately do nothing but damage. There can be no light without darkness, no day without night, no good without evil. But they don't have to balance out. (If they did, then the only way to banish evil is to banish good, which would itself be evil, which would result in an unbalanced condition. I love watching 'inherent natural balance' proponents struggle with that one, or with 'So if I do something good, then other people run around doing evil things to compensate?') - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Caliban Tiresias Darklock | "I'm not sorry or Darklock Communications | ashamed of who I PGP Key AD21EE50 at | really am." FREE KEVIN MITNICK! | - Charles Manson ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 11:37:45 EDT From: WyRmXx@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] Re: check for mitnick t-shirts:ATTN:EVERYONE! In a message dated 9/26/98 3:04:23 AM US Eastern Standard Time, compex@earthling.net writes: > OK. check should be made out to me > > Kevin Joubert > > Go to http://members.xoom.com/TelePhreak/merch.html > > for all the details and address and stuff. > > Also, please EMAIL me when you send snail mail order so I can plan ahead. > I will do the same at shipment time are you eventually going to have pictures of the merchandise? i personally want to see what im buying b4 i buy it. thanx.. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 10:53:33 -0700 (PDT) From: rOTTEN Subject: Re: [mitnick] Re: check for mitnick t-shirts:ATTN:EVERYONE! On Sat, 26 Sep 1998 WyRmXx@aol.com wrote: > are you eventually going to have pictures of the merchandise? i personally > want to see what im buying b4 i buy it. thanx.. Yeah Kevin, that's a good idea for all those political activists with discriminating taste and keen fashion sense! I wonder if it would be possible to fake some Tommy Middlefinger clothing and in those stupid little blue and red squares, put Free Kevin. That way your common mall-walker fashion victims could make a statement too. <..rOTTEN..> nobody move, nobody get hurt error187(1) critical failure ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 14:10:33 -0400 From: RaZ Subject: [mitnick] Kevin and War Games I was just watching War Games on TBS, the movie that was said to be forshadowed by Kevin hacking into NORAD (whether or not it happened is uncertain). Well, either way, the character who would (supposedly) be Mitnick (Matthew Broderick)'s name is David, possibly as in Kevin DAVID Mitnick? I don't know, just wanted to point it out. RaZ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 14:16:18 -0400 From: RaZ Subject: [mitnick] Kevin and War Games I was just watching War Games on TBS, the movie that was said to be forshadowed by Kevin hacking into NORAD (whether or not it happened is uncertain). Well, either way, the character who would (supposedly) be Mitnick (Matthew Broderick)'s name is David, possibly as in Kevin DAVID Mitnick? I don't know, just wanted to point it out. RaZ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 12:29:56 -0700 (PDT) From: rOTTEN Subject: Re: [mitnick] Kevin and War Games On Sat, 26 Sep 1998, RaZ wrote: > I was just watching War Games on TBS, the movie that was said to be > forshadowed by Kevin hacking into NORAD (whether or not it happened is > uncertain). Well, either way, the character who would (supposedly) be > Mitnick (Matthew Broderick)'s name is David, possibly as in Kevin DAVID > Mitnick? I don't know, just wanted to point it out. > > RaZ Interesting theory. I'd venture to say that David is one of the most popular names in America for a white boy, which is probably why they chose it. Besides, everyone knows that if you're going to make a movie about a real computer hacker, he HAS to be named Kevin, and he HAS to be from the San Fernando Valley and he has to have attended schools that I've known people from. All others are fictional. So be it, selah. <..rOTTEN..> nobody move, nobody get hurt error187(1) critical failure ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 16:25:25 -0400 From: Dan Sissman Subject: Re: [mitnick] Ribbons Greets! I know that as of this post from July, you stopped making the ribbons, but I've gotten a lot of people interested lately who I think would be into wearing them.  I'd be willing to send $10 or so if you'd be willing to send me some.  Failing that, I could always make them myself--what kind of material did you make the ribbons out of?  It looked like some kind of grounding wire or RF shielding. Anyway, let me know if you want to make them, and I'll send a check out.   SSR wrote: > Due to the overwhelming response to my post, I am all out of ribbons. I > got to everybody's ribbons sent out, except for TelePhreak's (sorry man, > when I got your last e-mail it was too late). If you guys want more > ribbons made, I need donations. I may, in the future, be able to invest in > the ribbons again, but not anytime soon. That means, the first batch was > on me, but now I need your support. Also, due to the fact that I got alot > of requests, I had to thin the ribbons out, which means you might not have > gotten as many as you wanted. Again, I am soory. > So, if you want more ribbons, send donations to: >                                 N.L. >                            810 S. Summit >                            Bremerton, Wa 98312 > > Thanx, & FREE KEVIN! > >                                                                 Sincerley, >                                                    The Stainless Steel Rat - -- Dan Sissman, amateur triviaphile            Free Kevin Mitnick! http://www.albany.net/~dsissman             http://www.kevinmitnick.com   ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 13:43:31 -0700 From: The Bri Man Subject: Re: [mitnick] Ribbons At 13:25 9/26/98 , you wrote: >Greets! > >I know that as of this post from July, you stopped making the ribbons, but >I've gotten a lot of people interested lately who I think would be into >wearing them. I'd be willing to send $10 or so if you'd be willing to send me >some. Failing that, I could always make them myself--what kind of material >did you make the ribbons out of? It looked like some kind of grounding wire >or RF shielding. > >Anyway, let me know if you want to make them, and I'll send a check out. > >SSR wrote: > >> Due to the overwhelming response to my post, I am all out of ribbons. I >> got to everybody's ribbons sent out, except for TelePhreak's (sorry man, >> when I got your last e-mail it was too late). If you guys want more >> ribbons made, I need donations. I may, in the future, be able to invest in >> the ribbons again, but not anytime soon. That means, the first batch was >> on me, but now I need your support. Also, due to the fact that I got alot >> of requests, I had to thin the ribbons out, which means you might not have >> gotten as many as you wanted. Again, I am soory. >> So, if you want more ribbons, send donations to: >> N.L. >> 810 S. Summit >> Bremerton, Wa 98312 >> >> Thanx, & FREE KEVIN! >> >> Sincerley, >> The Stainless Steel Rat > >-- >Dan Sissman, amateur triviaphile Free Kevin Mitnick! >http://www.albany.net/~dsissman http://www.kevinmitnick.com > Speaking of Stainlss Steel Rat, whatever happened to him? he seemed to fall off the earth... i never see any of his posts anymore. you out there Stainless? *BRaiN KaNDy* ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 16:41:31 -0600 From: "Kevin Joubert" Subject: Re: [mitnick] Re: check for mitnick t-shirts:ATTN:EVERYONE! Understandable. I will have pictures shortly. They will be posted at the URL I gave before. - -----Original Message----- From: WyRmXx@aol.com To: mitnick@2600.com Date: Saturday, September 26, 1998 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [mitnick] Re: check for mitnick t-shirts:ATTN:EVERYONE! > >are you eventually going to have pictures of the merchandise? i personally >want to see what im buying b4 i buy it. thanx.. > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 16:43:26 -0600 From: "Kevin Joubert" Subject: Re: [mitnick] Re: check for mitnick t-shirts:ATTN:EVERYONE! - -----Original Message----- From: rOTTEN To: mitnick@2600.com Date: Saturday, September 26, 1998 12:03 PM Subject: Re: [mitnick] Re: check for mitnick t-shirts:ATTN:EVERYONE! >On Sat, 26 Sep 1998 WyRmXx@aol.com wrote: > >> are you eventually going to have pictures of the merchandise? i personally >> want to see what im buying b4 i buy it. thanx.. > >Yeah Kevin, that's a good idea for all those political activists with >discriminating taste and keen fashion sense! > >I wonder if it would be possible to fake some Tommy Middlefinger clothing >and in those stupid little blue and red squares, put Free Kevin. > >That way your common mall-walker fashion victims could make a statement >too. > HAHAHAH. I think what he has in mind is to see it to make sure that I am actually making the shirts. heh heh. Well, I am making them and I already shucked out some serious coin on it so if all you goobers who said you would buy don't then I will come to your house and piss on your mom's rosebushes. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 16:02:16 -0700 From: Caliban Tiresias Darklock Subject: Re: [mitnick] Kevin and War Games On 02:16 PM 9/26/98 -0400, I personally witnessed RaZ jumping up to say: > >Well, either way, the character who would (supposedly) be >Mitnick (Matthew Broderick)'s name is David, possibly as in Kevin DAVID >Mitnick? Whoah... I never thought of that. That's pretty cool. Who knows, maybe they meant it, maybe they didn't... I sort of hope they did. Maybe we could just sort of *assume* it's intentional and use it as propaganda? I mean -- there's a minor ethical issue here, because we'd sort of be misleading people kinda sorta, but if we could get people to equate Kevin with Broderick they might start seeing him as a fundamentally good guy who's just misunderstood (which is reasonably accurate) instead of an evil beast out to destroy the world. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Caliban Tiresias Darklock | "I'm not sorry or Darklock Communications | ashamed of who I PGP Key AD21EE50 at | really am." FREE KEVIN MITNICK! | - Charles Manson ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 21:07:10 -0400 From: kerry Subject: [mitnick] LA Daily News Sat.-got a copy? Anybody in LA, can you get a copy of the LA Daily News for Saturday? I realize it's a bit late, but I just found out they had a front page article on Kevin and I can't get a copy of the paper or seem to find it on the web. I'm curious to hear what they say. thanks! kerry *********************************************************** FREE KEVIN bumperstickers http://www.mindspring.com/~jump0 *********************************************************** PO Box 17435 - Raleigh NC 27619 - email jump0@mindspring.com checks/money orders payable to "Free Kevin Publicity Fund" *********************************************************** Stickers are sold at cost plus postage - we make no profit from this effort - donations are split equally between Kevin's Defense Fund and the Free Kevin Publicity Fund. *********************************************************** F R E E K E V I N http://www.KevinMitnick.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 21:45:15 EDT From: BadGirlnLA@aol.com Subject: [mitnick] LA Daily News/Mitnick kerry, is this what you wanted? I don't think it was on the front page. 09/26/98 NEWS: Hacker's antics spawn trial By Peter Hartlaub, Daily News Coming soon to a theater near you: the Kevin Mitnick story -- a Miramax film about the San Fernando Valley hacker's three-year, cross-country run from the FBI. Coming even sooner to a Los Angeles courtroom: the Kevin Mitnick trial, where the former Pierce College student will face 25 charges including breaking into computers and stealing software. And already fans of the 35-year-old hacker are panning both. On Sept. 13, a group of so-called computer terrorists shut down the Web site of The New York Times, replacing it with a pro-Mitnick manifesto. It follows a similar break-in at the Yahoo! computer directory last year, including a threat to unleash a computer virus if Mitnick is not released. "The only thing that surprised me is that it took them so long," said Emmanuel Goldstein, editor of 2600: The Hacker Quarterly and predicted Mitnick supporters will infiltrate more Web sites as the Jan. 19 trial date approaches. Further angering his fans is that Mitnick has been held at the federal Metropolitan Detention Center in Los Angeles for three years and seven months - -- longer than any hacker serving a sentence or awaiting trial. Mitnick lawyer Donald Randolph quickly responded to The New York Times incident with an online plea for peace, posted on Mitnick's Web site. "Kevin Mitnick appreciates the support and good wishes of those who speak out against his continued incarceration," Randolph said the day after the incident. "However he does not encourage individuals to engage in hacking pranks on his behalf." Apparently, Miramax's filming of "Takedown" has brought out the worst in Mitnick's admirers. The movie, based on the book by Tsutomu Shimomura and New York Times writer John Markoff about Mitnick's capture, has been shooting in North Carolina since the end of August. It is expected to be released several months after Mitnick's trial concludes. One of Mitnick's relatives said the hacker was sent a copy of an early version of the "Takedown" script, and he's not happy. "It's completely fictionalized," said Reba Vartanian, Mitnick's grandmother. "Anything they wrote about something he's supposed to have done is fabricated." Mitnick's lawyers have been told that the movie isn't coming out until summer at the earliest. A Miramax spokeswoman did not return a call seeking comment. The New York Times site was down for more than nine hours, spokeswoman Nancy Nielsen said, and the FBI is investigating the incident. Several of the insults were directed at Markoff, who has been accused by Mitnick's friends and family of exaggerating the hacker's alleged crimes in his book and newspaper articles. "Do you have nightmares about helping imprison Kevin?" the hackers wrote on the Web site. Contacted in his San Francisco office, Markoff said he has received death threats since he wrote the book. One was from a Stockton, Calif., 16-year-old who was arrested in May 1997 after his e-mail was traced to a public library, he said. Markoff was confused by the tactics of the hackers who penetrated the newspaper's Web site. "I think it is ironic that they should choose this way to argue that Kevin is innocent," Markoff said. Goldstein, who led a "Free Kevin" protest in front of Miramax's New York offices on July 16, said he hopes any hacking that takes place in Mitnick's name does not do damage. "If there is (more hacking), I hope it's of a non-destructive nature," he said. Mitnick may be upset with the movie, but he shouldn't be insulted by the casting. Skeet Ulrich, whose poster-boy looks landed him co-starring roles in "As Good As It Gets" and "Scream," will play the fugitive hacker. Actor Forest Whitaker and rap entrepreneur Master P have also been connected to the project. After months of legal wrangling between prosecutors and Mitnick's lawyers, U.S. District Judge Mariana Pfaelzer ruled in July that Mitnick can view the evidence against him on a laptop computer in an attorney conference room of the Metropolitan Detention Center. "The laptop computer shall not be equipped with a modem and shall not have the capability to connect to telephone lines, or to any other computer or computer network," Pfaelzer ruled. But the judge turned down Mitnick's request to be released pending trial, despite his mother and grandmother's offers to put up their Las Vegas homes for bail. Nine friends and family members -- most living in the Valley -- declared in court papers that they would be willing to act as Mitnick's custodians if he's released, driving him to and from a halfway house. Mitnick's lawyers appealed Pfaelzer's decision all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court, where Sandra Day O'Connor turned them down for the last time on Aug. 24. Copyright 1998 Daily News of Los Angeles09/26/98 08:25 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 22:51:44 EDT From: WyRmXx@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] Re: check for mitnick t-shirts:ATTN:EVERYONE! i only want to see them b/c i dont like gay shirts. if they look good i will buy them. all the name brand stuff i dont like..tommy, boss, fubu, all that "stuff". and im only saying stuff so that i dont offend anyone. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 22:21:16 -0600 From: "Watchtower" Subject: [mitnick] colorado media sorry this is long Sorry this is going to be long. Heres a list of a good amount of media in Colorado mainly Colo Springs and Denver. Also who recieved a reply from congress. You said colorado which congressman becouse I'll write a letter to. Begins here The Gazette Tell it to the Gazette P.O. Box 1779 Colorado Springs,CO 80901 Phone 719-473-1919 Fax 719-636-0202 Http://www.Gazette.com cary@gazette.com Cary Leider News Projects Editor ddemi@gazette.com David Demi-Smith Features Designer/Copy Editor dorazio@gazette.com Victor Greto Research Center Manager diedrich@gazette.com John Diedrich City/Region Military Reporter drwilson@gazette.com Dru Wilson Features Reporter dturner@gazette.com Dave Turner Photography Systems Photo Editor duval@gazette.com Linda DuVal Features Books/Travel editor@gazette.com Steve Smith News Editor fallon@gazette.com D'Arcy Fallon Features Columnist feat@gazette.com Barbara Cotter Features Deputy Editor foster@gazette.com Cliff Foster City/Region City Editor ganton@gazette.com Genevieve Anton Denver Bureau Bureau Chief ggreene@gazette.com Ginny Greene Interactive Media Director ghouy@gazette.com Gary Houy News/Copy Copy Editor gtclass@gazette.com Classified Dept Classified Classified gtop@gazette.com Editorial Page Staff Editorial Editorial gtsports@gazette.com Sports Dept Sports Sports harris@gazette.com Rosemary Harris City/Region Columnist jbarrow@gazette.com Jo Ann Barrow City/Region Deputy City Editor jbranch@gazette.com John Branch Business Reporter jeff@gazette.com Jeff Thomas Business Editor jerome@gazette.com Jerome Thompson Art Graphic Artist lisac@gazette.com Lisa Chicoyne Art Artist lnavarro@gazette.com Linda Navarro Research Center Researcher mames@gazette.com Michele Ames City/Region Reporter mckeown@gazette.com Bill McKeown City/Region Reporter mcolumn@gazette.com Ray McCaffrey Features Reporter mgrantz@gazette.com Marty Grantz Sports Reporter millman@gazette.com Joel Millman News/Copy Copy Editor mnoe@gazette.com Michael Noe Interactive Media Interactive Reporter mreis@gazette.com Mark Reis Photography Photographer ovetta@gazette.com Ovetta Sampson City/Region Reporter pmerritt@gazette.com Patricia Merritt Research Reporter/Ombudsman ppauley@gazette.com Peter Pauley Art Director pula@gazette.com Pula Davis Interactive Media Producer/Webmaster rladen@gazette.com Rich Laden Business Reporter robinh@gazette.com Robin Hardie Editorial Copy Editor routon@gazette.com Ralph Routon Sports Editor, Columnist spence@gazette.com Mike Spence Sports Reporter spiegel@gazette.com Jan Spiegel Features Copy Editor sthomsen@gazette.com Scott Thomsen City/News Reporter susane@gazette.com Susan Edmondson Entertainment Editor susanw@gazette.com Susan Warmbrunn City Region Reporter tbell@gazette.com Tanya Bell City/Region Reporter tfleming@gazette.com Terri Fleming News Managing Editor tmim@gazette.com Tim Mimick Sports Reporter tocooper@gazette.com Teresa Owen-Cooper Features Copy Editor todd@gazette.com Peg Gould Features Designer/Copy Editor tosches@gazette.com Rich Tosches City/Region Columnist turnis@gazette.com Jane Turnis Business Reporter valariew@gazette.com Valerie Wigglesworth City/Region Deputy City Editor wendyl@gazette.com Wendy Lawton City/News Reporter wepstein@gazette.com Warren Epstein Entertainment TV/Radio wheilman@gazette.com Wayne Heilman Business Reporter zeek@gazette.com George Lewis News/Copy Copy Editor zubeck@gazette.com Pam Zubeck City/Region Reporter Denver Post Letters to the editor The Denver Post 1560 Broadway, Denver 80202 Or P.O. Box 1709,Denver 80201 letters@denverpost.com Phone 303-820-1331 Phone 1-800-336-7678 Fax 303-820-1679 Http://www.denverpost.com Editorial - - Todd Engdahl, New Media Editor, (303) 820-1650,tengdahl@denverpost.com - - Jen Griggs, Senior Producer, (303) 820-1913,jgriggs@denverpost.com - - Dallas Heltzell, Producer, (303) 820-1511,heltzell@denverpost.com Newsroom (Frank Scandale, Metro Editor; Chris Lopez, State Editor) - - newsroom@denverpost.com (Metro-area and regional reporters) - - cgreen@denverpost.com reaches Denver & The West columnist Chuck Green. - - Phone: (303) 820-1201 - - Fax: (303) 820-1369 Editorial Page (Sue O'Brien, Editor of the Editorial Page) - - letters@denverpost.com (Letters to the editor - to be considered, letters must include full name, home town and daytime phone number) - - sobrien@denverpost.com (Sue O'Brien. Please don't send letters to the editor to her.) - - Phone: (303) 820-1679 Rocky Mountain News 400 W Colfax,Denver,CO 80204 Phone 303-892-5000 Fax 303-892-2568 Letters to the editor P.O. Box 719 Denver,CO 80201 http://www.inside-denver.com letters@denver-rmn.com Letters to the editor letters@denver-rmn.com Linda Seebach seebach@denver-rmn.com Ed Stein stein@denver-rmn.com Local news desk metro@denver-rmn.com Gene Amole gamole@aol.com Norm Clarke norm@denver-rmn.com Kim Franke-Folstad kfranke1@aol.com Michael Balfe Howard jamaroy@aol.com Bill Johnson rockybj@aol.com Colorado news desk state@denver-rmn.com World news desk newsdesk@denver-rmn.com Holger Jensen hjens@aol.com Business desk business@denver-rmn.com Lisa Greim greiml@denver-rmn.com Science desk science@denver-rmn.com Sports desk sports@denver-rmn.com Sam Adams adamss@denver-rmn.com Bob Kravitz kravitz@denver-rmn.com Shane Fitzgerald fitzgerald@denver-rmn.com Drew Litton sportoonz@aol.com Mike Littwin littwinm@denver-rmn.com Spotlight spotlight@denver-rmn.com New Media TalkToUs@InsideDenver.com Wes Jackson General Manager jackson@insidedenver.com Robert Niles Executive Producer robert@insidedenver.com Aaron Butler Update Producer (Tu-Sa) aaron@insidedenver.com Kevin Brown Update Producer (Su-M) kevin@insidedenver.com Micah Acker Graphic Designer acker@insidedenver.com Jennifer Breen Graphic Designer breen@insidedenver.com Derald Price Graphic Designer price@insidedenver.com Bennett Boothe Sales Representative boothe@insidedenver.com Morgan Fairlamb Sales Representative fairlamb@insidedenver.com Patti McKay Sales Representative mckay@insidedenver.com John Waite Sales Representative waite@insidedenver.com KKTV 11 news / CBS 11 News Studios are located at 3100 N. Nevada, Colorado Springs, Colorado 80907. Office: (719) 634-2844 News Fax: (719) 634-3741 WEB Master Fax: (719) 442-6981 KKTV's Pueblo office is located in the Norwest Bank Building at 201 West 8th Street, Suite 460, Pueblo, Colorado 81003. Office: (719) 542-6247 Fax: (719) 544-8309 http://www.kktv.com/navbar/home.html Vice President / General Manager Jim Lucas jlucas@ackerly.com General Sales Manager Dan Smith dsmith@ackerly.com Marketing Analysis Dave Grossman dgrossman@ackerly.com Programming Manager Lorna Duncan lduncan@ackerly.com News Director Wendy MacNeill wmacneill@ackerly.com Chief Engineer Rick Craddock tcraddock@ackerly.com Production Manager Jerry Killion jkillion@ackerly.com Business Manager Debby Bullock dbullock@ackerly.com Promotions Manager George Sanchez gsanchez@ackerly.com Community Services Marjorie Bennett mbennet@ackerly.com KKTV Webmaster Tom Grassel tgrassel@ackerly.com KXRM Fox http://www.kxrm.com KXRM-TV fox 21 560 Wooten road Colorado Springs,CO 80915 Phone 719-596-2100 fax 719-591-4180 info@kxrm.com Larry Douglas, President/General Manager ldouglas@kxrm.com Kim Carlson, Vice President/General Sales Manager kcarlson@kxrm.com KCNC CBS News4 p.o. Box 5012 Denver,Co 80217 phone 303-861-4444 http://www.kcncnews4.com NEWS4 News Department If you have a news tip or a story of local interest, contact the NEWS4 Assignment Desk at: Phone: NEWS4 Hotline at (303) 830-6464. Fax: (303) 830-6380 Address: NEWS4 Assignment Editor, P.O. Box 5012, Denver, Colorado 80217 E-Mail: mailroom@kcncnews4.com KOAA channels 5/30 NBC phone 719-632-5030 fax 719-473-1675 http://www.koaa.com KRMA rocky mountain PBS channel six denver http://www.krma.org phone 303-892-6666 general manger jmorgese@krma.org Main Number: 1-303-623-6666 Membership Hotline: 1-800-274-6666 (Mon-Fri 8:00 a.m. - 5:00 p.m.) Viewer Response Line: 1-303-631-2313 PBS Online: http://www.pbs.org KTSC PBS http://www.ktsctv.org STAFF Station Manager/Development Director, Wynona Sullivan ..................................549-2996 Administration Assistant, Pam Ayers ..........................................549-2190 Chief Operator/Engineer, Ian Hartley ..................................549-2454 Promotion Manager, Greg Hargrove ...................................549-2199 Development Assistant, Tracy Samora ...............................549-2196 Underwriting Consultant, Susan Freel ...............................549-2215 Membership Manager, Tina Gradisar ....................................549-2091 Production Manager, Roger Sajak ...........................................549-2192 Producer, Scott Jones ...................................549-2099 Producer/News Releases, Sam Greene .......................................549-2191 Producer, Erin Nylander...................................549-2087 Operations Coordinator, Caroline Parra ....................................549-2992 Membership Assistant, Joanna Ponce ........................................549-2193 Master Control Supervisor, Ken Sciacca .......................................549-2667 Master Control Operators, John Snider, Robert H. Brown Jr., Barry Long ...................549-2991 Transmitter Engineer, Harv Essenburg ....................................549-2279 Operations Engineer, Jeff Weyer ...........................................549-2994 KUSA 9news NBC 9NEWS P.O. Box 9 Denver, Colorado 80201 (303) 871-9999 KUSA@9News.com Phone (303) 871-1499 Fax (303) 698-9329 TTY (303) 871-0112 (hearing impaired) Kilo 94.3 http://www.kilo943.com Lou Mellini General Manager lou@kilo943.com Dave,Ross & Maureen (5:30a-10a) daveross&moe@kilo943.com Dirk “The Dirkster” Kirkland (10a-2p)dirkster99@aol.com Don Jantzen (2p-6p) Assistant Program Director/Music Director don@kilo943.com Rick Roddam (6p-10p) roddman@kilo943.com Jason Janc (10p-2a) jason@kilo943.com Brent Hatcher (2a-5:30a) Public Service Director brent@kilo943.com Cid Roadcap Promotions Director cid@kilo943.com Jim Edwards Weekends jim@kilo943.com Rich Hawk Program Director rich@kilo943.com end here ------------------------------ End of mitnick-digest V1 #167 *****************************