mitnick-digest Thursday, October 1 1998 Volume 01 : Number 171 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 23:21:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Rich Burroughs Subject: RE: [mitnick] Tried in every state..... On 01-Oct-98 FallOut4E@aol.com wrote: > I also have heard that. Can anyone with law knowledge please tell me how > this > can happen? Isn't that like being tried for the same thing twice? [snip] Well, it's not double jeopardy if you are tried for separate offenses. The fact that he's being tried on 25 counts (or whatever it is) does not stop the Feds from seeking indictments later for other alleged activities. One example would be if they tried to indict him for breaking into Shimomura's systems, which he has not been charged with up to this point. (I don't expect that to happen, BTW, or that they would win.) I think we can assume that the Feds are pursuing their best opportunities for conviction with the current indictment. They want him pretty bad. I would not expect him to be tried further if they win. It's a lot dicier if he is acquitted on all counts, or something that extreme. Rich - --- rich@p a r a n o i d.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:53:57 +0200 From: Hamburg Robbert <95100526@student.sem.hhs.nl> Subject: RE: [mitnick] NEW URL IT ISN"T FAKE #2 Well when the first check is payed out after 1000 clicks than there will be a scan to proof my good meanings. So please ask ALL the people you know to contribute. The sooner we have more than 1000 clicks the better. It's easy to do for you every day http://www.geocities.com/Area51/8495 and it means a great help for kevin. Please every one forward this message all over the world. Robbert. - ---------- From: Bobwil623@aol.com [SMTP:Bobwil623@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 1998 6:11 PM To: mitnick@2600.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] NEW URL IT ISN"T FAKE #2 95100526@student.sem.hhs.nl (Hamburg Robbert) wrote... > Well every time you follow this link Kevin's > account we be added with one visit hich means > $0.05 and by the end of the month when he has > reached enough visit he will receive a check. > Thanks for your trust DUH. hey, no need to get huffy. i followed the link, so i've already added my US$0.05.... if the description shown above is is true, then thanks for helping out. then again, it would help if there were text near the link, or on the destination page, that acknowledges the contribution to kevin's defense fund. scans of the cancelled checks made out to the kevnin mitnick defense fund (administered by kevin's grandmother!) and posted to your website would be the ultimate proof, of course.... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:57:15 +0200 From: Hamburg Robbert <95100526@student.sem.hhs.nl> Subject: RE: [mitnick] NEW URL IT ISN"T FAKE #2 BUT READ THE LATEST MESSAGE IT ISN"T A FAKE !!!!!! - ---------- From: WyRmXx@aol.com [SMTP:WyRmXx@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 1998 10:59 PM To: mitnick@2600.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] NEW URL IT ISN"T FAKE #2 In a message dated 9/30/98 11:47:01 AM US Eastern Standard Time, Bobwil623@aol.com writes: > hey, no need to get huffy. > > i followed the link, so i've already added my US$0.05.... > > if the description shown above is is true, then thanks for helping out. > then again, it would help if there were text near the link, or on the > destination page, that acknowledges the contribution to kevin's defense > fund. > > scans of the cancelled checks made out to the kevnin mitnick defense fund > (administered by kevin's grandmother!) and posted to your website would > be the ultimate proof, of course.... i dont think he would lie about something like that..especially with the small amount of $.05/click. even if it is a lie..i dont think its a big deal. it certainly gave the rest of us the idea to do the same. - -WyRm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 20:50:48 GMT From: squatex@fdt.net (John Barleycorn) Subject: Re: [mitnick] Sentencing statistics On Wed, 30 Sep 1998 22:09:42 -0700, you shot across phone lines and fiber optic cable worldwide at amazing speeds: >> > >When his trial is over, he'll have served about 4 years and will PROBABLY >> > >get credit for time served...well, that would be the LOGICAL thing to do.. >> > > >> > >This means he'll more than likely be a free man when he's convicted. >> >> there is no PROBABLY about it.. they will have to give credit for such. > >Uhhh ... not to be a kill joy or anything, but it was my understanding that they >were going to dick with Kevin. I.e., when he is found innocent in LA, he'll just >be hauled off to North Carolina and await trial there. I remember hearing that >somewhere, can anyone confirm or deny this recollection? That is what Schindler has said on the record. I would think if it actually does come to that that Kevin may be pushed against the wall and forced to plead guilty in the next juristiction hes sent to. On that same token though, if he is indeed found innocent in LA, I would think (now Im no lawyer here, but this is just a thought) he would be likely to be released on bail pending his next trial. Incidently, a friend of mine from high school is facing the same situation. After committing an armed robbery in Alabama he lead police on a three state car chase, ultimatly resulting in the injury of two police officers. Even he is out on bail. Go figure. dc.... squatex@fdt.net FREE KEVIN MITNICK NOW! - www.kevinmitnick.com - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.5.5 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBNe2Lv3lr+Q3ACIOvEQLhFwCfSiB25qq+W98ZKA/KxwQxVUC+jZEAoIDF loxMewZoGjnIpCY+/SUqtbBi =ym4I - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 06:36:33 -0400 From: che guevara Subject: Re: [mitnick] Tried in every state..... it's cause gotti's got connections his mobsters probably leaned on someone...if u know what i mean... FallOut4E@aol.com wrote: > I also have heard that. Can anyone with law knowledge please tell me how this > can happen? Isn't that like being tried for the same thing twice? The > government I guess figures that Kevin broke the law in many states, so he can > be tried in each state? Sounds like cruel and unusual punishment to me, even > if he is found not-guilty of everything. > Also how can Gotti Jr. of all people be granted bail, and Kevin can't even > get a hearing? Apparently running a crime family is not quite as bad as > stealing software. > > In a message dated 10/1/98 1:10:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > qed@mindspring.com writes: > > > Uhhh ... not to be a kill joy or anything, but it was my understanding that > > they > > were going to dick with Kevin. I.e., when he is found innocent in LA, > he'll > > just > > be hauled off to North Carolina and await trial there. I remember hearing > > that > > somewhere, can anyone confirm or deny this recollection? > > - -- - --++ che guevara ++-- - --++ aim: chejuana ++-- - --++ irc: cguevara (efnet) ++-- - --++ http://www.kevinmitnick.com ++-- - --++ http://cguevara.home.ml.org ++-- __________________________________ "This is the first age that's paid much attention to the future, which is a little ironic since we may not have one." - Arthur C. Clarke ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 04:48:59 -0700 From: Caliban Tiresias Darklock Subject: Re: [mitnick] Tried in every state..... On 06:36 AM 10/1/98 -0400, I personally witnessed che guevara jumping up to say: > >it's cause gotti's got connections >his mobsters probably leaned on someone...if u know what i mean... Has it occurred to anyone else on the list that, Gotti being who he is, it's damn near impossible for him to go anywhere without people knowing about it? Kevin could "disappear" a lot more easily than Gotti could. Not that I think it's fair, but it's certainly a lot more likely than big bruisers in the judge's chambers talking about offers you can't refuse. ;) - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- As the fire burneth a wood, and the flame setteth the mountains on fire; So persecute them with thy tempest, and make them afraid with thy storm. - ---------------------------[ Psalms, 83:14-15 ]--------------------------- Caliban Tiresias Darklock | "Hell, you don't Darklock Communications | know me." FREE KEVIN MITNICK! | - Charles Manson - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- And remember, if you don't kiss Hank's ass he'll kick the shit out of you. - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 08:58:46 -0500 From: Larry Subject: Re: this looks fake - [mitnick] Finacial UPDATE !!HELP !! NEW URL - --------------BDD667DA26C2C510E150C002 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bobwil623@aol.com wrote: well, i went to the link, clicked on the textlink about webcelerator, and > got exactly where i thought i'd get -- to the webcelerator download site, > without a damn word about kevin mitnik nor the legal issues faced by > kevin in prison. > > if this isn't bullshit, then tell us why, "robbert".... Umm maybe I'm wrong but isn't what the link is supposed to do, its an ad. Everytime you click it the $ goes to the Mitnick fund. - --------------BDD667DA26C2C510E150C002 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  

Bobwil623@aol.com wrote:
well, i went to the link, clicked on the textlink about webcelerator, and

got exactly where i thought i'd get -- to the webcelerator download site,
without a damn word about kevin mitnik nor the legal issues faced by
kevin in prison.

if this isn't bullshit, then tell us why, "robbert"....


Umm maybe I'm wrong but isn't  what the link is supposed to do, its an ad. Everytime you click it the $ goes to the Mitnick fund.
  - --------------BDD667DA26C2C510E150C002-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:21:33 -0400 (EDT) From: ksandre Subject: RE: [mitnick] NEW URL IT ISN"T FAKE #2 On Thu, 1 Oct 1998, Hamburg Robbert wrote: > Subject: RE: [mitnick] NEW URL IT ISN"T FAKE #2 > > Well when the first check is payed out after 1000 clicks than there > will be a scan to proof my good meanings. So please ask ALL the people I don't understand this. Just where does the money come from? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:34:58 -0400 (EDT) From: ksandre Subject: Re: [mitnick] Sentencing statistics On Wed, 30 Sep 1998, Rich Burroughs wrote: > > As I understand it, Schindler has specifically threatened to prosecute Kevin in > other jurisdictions. That may happen regardless of what the result in the > upcoming federal trial is. There are no guarantees. It would certainly seem > much more likely, though, if Kevin were to win. > > I don't think this would necessarily be in N.C., though. What are all the other jurisdictions in Kevin's case? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:36:20 -0400 (EDT) From: ksandre Subject: Re: [mitnick] Sentencing statistics On Wed, 30 Sep 1998, Screamer wrote: > > >When his trial is over, he'll have served about 4 years and will PROBABLY > > >get credit for time served...well, that would be the LOGICAL thing to do.. > > >This means he'll more than likely be a free man when he's convicted. > > there is no PROBABLY about it.. they will have to give credit for such. I thought part of the time he has served in LA is applied to the guilty plea already given in NC? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:39:43 -0400 (EDT) From: ksandre Subject: Re: [mitnick] Sentencing statistics On Wed, 30 Sep 1998, Kevin Joubert wrote: > Being a conspiracy nut, I would say that it is conceivable that if Kevin is > convicted, the judge will probably sentence Kevin with a sentence equal to > his time served. That would shut down any controversy over "wrongful" > imprisonment, or rob the credibility of such an argument anyway. At least, > after-the-fact and in the eyes of John Q. Public. John Q. Public in the case of Louse Woodward ['British Nanny'] were not all pleased about that decision. Is it possible that Kevin could be sued in another instance individually by the Corporations from whom he allegedly garnered proprietary information (ie., NOKIA, etc.)? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:45:38 -0400 (EDT) From: ksandre Subject: [mitnick] DMCA/WIPO - Urgent Action I know this is only very remotely relevant, but it seems that some on this list may appreciate this reminder about the Digital Millennium Copyright Act pending Congressional action. - ------------------------------------------------- EFFector Vol. 11, No. 14 Sep. 29, 1998 editor@eff.org A Publication of the Electronic Frontier Foundation ISSN 1062-9424 See http://www.eff.org for more information on EFF activities & alerts! _________________________________________________________________ September 28, 1998 EFF/DFC ALERT The Digital Millennium Copyright Act is going to conference Speak now or forever hold your peace! Tentative Deadline: Oct. 2 (Please do not redistribute after Oct. 10.) INTRODUCTION On September 24, 1998, Congress held the first of several meetings, to reconcile the House and Senate versions of the "Digital Millennium Copyright Act" (DMCA). These meetings could be completed by the end of this week! The DMCA makes significant changes to American copyright law in the name of implementing recent World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO) copyright treaties. Unfortunately, some of the proposed changes could upset the uniquely American balance between the users and creators of copyrighted works. The Senate bill lacks adequate protections for fair use, encryption research, and personal privacy. It could also limit the availability of future consumer electronics and computer products. On the other hand, the House version contains many extraneous provisions that have little or nothing to do with implementing the important WIPO treaties. These provisions in the House bill would overturn three consumer-oriented Supreme Court decisions. The Justice department has concluded that one of these provisions, Title V, which creates sweeping new anti-fair-use rights in databases and other collections of information, may well be unconstitutional. (This Title V was previously a separate bill, the "Collections of Information Antipiracy Act.") Now is the time to speak up because these meetings will determine the final form of this legislation as it goes to the President's desk to be signed into law. If you care about the future of the Internet, you should let your Senators and Representatives know, as soon as possible, how important it is to preserve the essential provisions of the House DMCA, which protects fair use, personal privacy, the availability of consumer products and encryption research - while rejecting its harmful extraneous provisions. A letter to the Senate detailing public interest concerns with both pieces of legislation is available at the Digital Future Coalition web site: http://www.dfc.org ___________________________________ IMMEDIATE ACTION TO TAKE First Step: All privacy, encryption, fair use, and security supporters, especially supporters from states represented on the Conference Committee, are asked to IMMEDIATELY fax, call or e-mail your Senators and Representatives now and ask them to contact the members of the "Digital Millennium Copyright Act" Conference Committee and urge them to keep the protections for information consumers embodied in the core of the House version of the DMCA and to remove provisions such as Title V, the "Collections of Information Antipiracy Act", which have no relation to WIPO implementation. A sample letter and more information is available at the Digital Future Coalition web site: http://www.dfc.org - --------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 12:11:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Daniel Sissman Subject: RE: [mitnick] NEW URL IT ISN"T FAKE #2 On Thu, 1 Oct 1998, ksandre wrote: > I don't understand this. Just where does the money come from? From Webcelerator. They pay people to put their banners up, based on the number of hits they generate. Dan Sissman, amateur triviaphile Free Kevin Mitnick! http://www.albany.net/~dsissman http://www.kevinmitnick.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:28:27 EDT From: FallOut4E@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] Tried in every state..... I don't believe the government's motive for keeping Kevin in jail is that he'll run. His Grandmother was willing to put up her house to convince them he wouldn't run. They can't use the excuse that he ran for two years, because they already admitted he was NOT a fugitive. Who here thinks that Kevin is more of a danger to society then Gotti Jr.? Even the government doesn't I'm sure. This being said why then is the government still holding him without a bail hearing? Something needs to change..... In a message dated 10/1/98 7:53:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time, caliban@darklock.com writes: > Has it occurred to anyone else on the list that, Gotti being who he is, > it's damn near impossible for him to go anywhere without people knowing > about it? Kevin could "disappear" a lot more easily than Gotti could. Not > that I think it's fair, but it's certainly a lot more likely than big > bruisers in the judge's chambers talking about offers you can't refuse. ;) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:42:01 EDT From: FallOut4E@aol.com Subject: [mitnick] Nokia suing? I think it would be possible for Nokia, etc., to sue Kevin for stealing their intellectual property, but highly unlikely. First of all the $80 million dollars of "damage" Kevin caused to these companies is BULLSHIT. Second of all it would cost the companies a lot of money to sue, and what would they gain? I would like to know just how the government is going to prove Kevin actually broke into Nokia, etc., and not just that he had a copy of the information. I think they are going to try the "evil hacker, bent on destroying the Earth" routine, and scare the jury into voting guilty. In a message dated 10/1/98 11:41:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ksandre@cyberportal.net writes: > John Q. Public in the case of Louse Woodward ['British Nanny'] were not > all pleased about that decision. Is it possible that Kevin could be sued > in another instance individually by the Corporations from whom he > allegedly garnered proprietary information (ie., NOKIA, etc.)? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 16:02:50 EDT From: Bobwil623@aol.com Subject: Re: RE: [mitnick] NEW URL IT ISN"T FAKE #2 > > Subject: RE: [mitnick] NEW URL IT ISN"T FAKE #2 > > > > Well when the first check is payed out after 1000 clicks than there > > will be a scan to proof my good meanings. So please ask ALL the people > > I don't understand this. Just where does the money come from? that's why i'd written to the fellow. typically, this sort of arrangement ("follow this link and contribute to your favorite worthy cause") relies on the integrity of the person who's claiming to send the money to the worthy cause, in much the same way that we rely on the intergrity of people soliciting alms on the street to distribute those alms to the needy. i'd feel more assured if, when i'd followed the link, i saw *some* mention of kevin and the situation he's in. instead, not a word. apparently, though, the fellow is going to post a scan of the cancelled check after a period of time, and that would be wild if he did do that. hey -- who knows -- the guy may be on the up-and-up.... i hope so. then again, 1,000 clicks at $0.05 adds up to just $50, or approximately 10 minutes of a good attorney's time. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 16:26:23 -0400 From: gjones@raleigh.ibm.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] Tried in every state..... I think one of the resons they are holding him is because they are afrid that even if they put one of those GPS trackers on him that he would find a way of altering it to give off a false signal. FallOut4E@aol.com on 10-01-98 02:28:27 PM Please respond to mitnick@2600.com To: mitnick@2600.com cc: (bcc: Gregory Jones/NWSMEL) Subject: Re: [mitnick] Tried in every state..... I don't believe the government's motive for keeping Kevin in jail is that he'll run. His Grandmother was willing to put up her house to convince them he wouldn't run. They can't use the excuse that he ran for two years, because they already admitted he was NOT a fugitive. Who here thinks that Kevin is more of a danger to society then Gotti Jr.? Even the government doesn't I'm sure. This being said why then is the government still holding him without a bail hearing? Something needs to change..... In a message dated 10/1/98 7:53:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time, caliban@darklock.com writes: > Has it occurred to anyone else on the list that, Gotti being who he is, > it's damn near impossible for him to go anywhere without people knowing > about it? Kevin could "disappear" a lot more easily than Gotti could. Not > that I think it's fair, but it's certainly a lot more likely than big > bruisers in the judge's chambers talking about offers you can't refuse. ;) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 16:51:59 EDT From: RiotGrrl02@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] Tried in every state..... In a message dated 10/1/1998 1:47:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time, gjones@raleigh.ibm.com writes: << I think one of the resons they are holding him is because they are afrid that even if they put one of those GPS trackers on him that he would find a way of altering it to give off a false signal. >> Ya know....I have a feeling that is exactly it. Because Kevin.....probably could make it give off a false signal. That and the fact that the government is scared shitless of anyone more intelligent than themselves. Heaven forbid people put their brains to good use in this country, cause they'll keep you locked up for no reason. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 16:58:45 EDT From: WyRmXx@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] NEW URL IT ISN"T FAKE #2 why did you pick a sponser that pays $0.05/click? im sure there are ones that will pay more. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 21:08:19 -0400 (EDT) From: ksandre Subject: RE: [mitnick] NEW URL IT ISN"T FAKE #2 On Thu, 1 Oct 1998, Daniel Sissman wrote: > > >From Webcelerator. They pay people to put their banners up, based on the > number of hits they generate. Who/what _is_ "Webcelerator?" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 17:47:21 PDT From: "TelePhreak ." Subject: [mitnick] Startup And Shutdown Logo uhh....i changed the win95 startup and shut down screens on my computer. All I really did was add free kevin banners to them all...if you want to download them a the readme goto: http://members.xoom.com/PhoneRangers/freelogo.zip or goto http://phonerangers.home.ml.org in the 'mitnick merchandise' section for the link. - - - - - - - - ->Phone Rangers<- - - - - - - - - - - F -TelePhreak R Email: AcidHak@Hotmail.com E mIRC: TelePhrk E ICQ: 10886438 K Aol Instant Messanger: TelePhrk 0 E NPA: 908 (NJ) V http://phonerangers.home.ml.org/ I - - - - - - - - ->Phone Rangers<- - - - - - - - - - - N ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 21:24:22 -0400 (EDT) From: ksandre Subject: Re: [mitnick] Nokia suing? On Thu, 1 Oct 1998 FallOut4E@aol.com wrote: > I think it would be possible for Nokia, etc., to sue Kevin for stealing their > intellectual property, but highly unlikely. First of all the $80 million > dollars of "damage" Kevin caused to these companies is BULLSHIT. Second of > all it would cost the companies a lot of money to sue, and what would they > gain? Legal Precendent. 'Sending Warning Message' To Potential Hackers [aka "Terrorists"]. Wouldn't they get to deduct their Legal Expense anyway? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:28:56 -0700 (PDT) From: rOTTEN Subject: Re: RE: [mitnick] NEW URL IT ISN"T FAKE #2 On Thu, 1 Oct 1998 Bobwil623@aol.com wrote: > that's why i'd written to the fellow. typically, this sort of > arrangement ("follow this link and contribute to your favorite worthy > cause") relies on the integrity of the person who's claiming to send the > money to the worthy cause, in much the same way that we rely on the > intergrity of people soliciting alms on the street to distribute those > alms to the needy. > i'd feel more assured if, when i'd followed the link, i saw *some* > mention of kevin and the situation he's in. instead, not a word. The link takes you to the people that are paying the advertiser, i.e. the person that's displaying the banner, right? That doesn't make sense to you? If Pepsi said, "Every person that you lead to our site will earn you $0.05" clicking on their banner wouldn't take you to a Free Kevin site, it would take you to the Pepsi site. Right? You've never seen one of those CyberCasino ads? They're EVERYWHERE. They pay people (in theory) for each lead to their site. Why would you expect a mention of Kevin Mitnick at their site? > apparently, though, the fellow is going to post a scan of the cancelled > check after a period of time, and that would be wild if he did do that. It would make more sense if he had filled out the host information so that the check goes directly to the KM Defense Fund. > hey -- who knows -- the guy may be on the up-and-up.... i hope so. then > again, 1,000 clicks at $0.05 adds up to just $50, or approximately 10 > minutes of a good attorney's time. I pitch this: a link from www.kevinmitnick.com that says - "Help pay for Kevin's Defense without spending a DIME!" This link takes you to a page that the km.com folks have set up which says something along the lines of: "These sponsors pay for each unique access to their site. By visiting our sponsor, you are contributing $0.05 to Kevin Mitnick's Defense Fund. If you visit each sponsor once a week and tell all your friends to access each sponsor once a week, you can help make a tremendous contribution en masse. 1 click to 1 sponsor by 10000 people each week would put $500 in the defense fund. 1 click to 2 sponsors by 10000 people each week would put $1000 in the fund, and so on. Please do not click a banner more than once a week [OR WHATEVER THE SPONSOR'S RULE IS] as sponsors assume host floods to be an attempt to defraud them." This would mean that km.com would have to sign up with each of these sponsors and have the checks sent DIRECTLY to the KM defense fund. With all the people that are accessing kevinmitnick.com, this could make a pretty decent contribution to the fund weekly (or however often they pay out to banner hosts) That's MY $0.05 worth. <..rOTTEN..> nobody move, nobody get hurt error187(1) critical failure ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 20:30:35 -0500 From: "XxGaLxX" Subject: Re: [mitnick] NEW URL IT ISN"T FAKE #2 Are we suppossed to click on the Webcelerator link, or the little Free Kevin Now button? (sorry, i'm not very good with understanding directions!) =) - ---------- > From: ksandre > To: 'mitnick@2600.com' > Subject: RE: [mitnick] NEW URL IT ISN"T FAKE #2 > Date: Thursday, October 01, 1998 8:08 PM > > On Thu, 1 Oct 1998, Daniel Sissman wrote: > > > > >From Webcelerator. They pay people to put their banners up, based on the > > number of hits they generate. > > Who/what _is_ "Webcelerator?" > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 20:44:20 -0500 From: Zach Miller Subject: Re: [mitnick] NEW URL IT ISN"T FAKE #2 - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 WyRmXx@aol.com wrote: why did you pick a sponser that pays $0.05/click? im sure there are ones that will pay more. there *are* ones that will pay more, but they only pay if the person actually buys something from them...then you get a percentage of the total sales made off your site's ad. - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.0 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBNhQv2OgL9Sh8Y7WiEQIcPQCguDuJIO44qq7BdqSlL12S1oYLdGMAoIR8 n5yiIEl/vBiOYc1c+n38sx92 =X136 - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 21:02:48 -0500 From: "XxGaLxX" Subject: Re: RE: [mitnick] NEW URL IT ISN"T FAKE #2 k i get it now--thanks rOTTEN! =) - ---------- > From: rOTTEN > To: mitnick@2600.com > Subject: Re: RE: [mitnick] NEW URL IT ISN"T FAKE #2 > Date: Thursday, October 01, 1998 8:28 PM > > On Thu, 1 Oct 1998 Bobwil623@aol.com wrote: > > > that's why i'd written to the fellow. typically, this sort of > > arrangement ("follow this link and contribute to your favorite worthy > > cause") relies on the integrity of the person who's claiming to send the > > money to the worthy cause, in much the same way that we rely on the > > intergrity of people soliciting alms on the street to distribute those > > alms to the needy. > > > > > i'd feel more assured if, when i'd followed the link, i saw *some* > > mention of kevin and the situation he's in. instead, not a word. > > The link takes you to the people that are paying the advertiser, i.e. the > person that's displaying the banner, right? > > That doesn't make sense to you? > > If Pepsi said, "Every person that you lead to our site will earn you > $0.05" clicking on their banner wouldn't take you to a Free Kevin site, it > would take you to the Pepsi site. > > Right? > > You've never seen one of those CyberCasino ads? They're EVERYWHERE. They > pay people (in theory) for each lead to their site. > > Why would you expect a mention of Kevin Mitnick at their site? > > > apparently, though, the fellow is going to post a scan of the cancelled > > check after a period of time, and that would be wild if he did do that. > > It would make more sense if he had filled out the host information so that > the check goes directly to the KM Defense Fund. > > > hey -- who knows -- the guy may be on the up-and-up.... i hope so. then > > again, 1,000 clicks at $0.05 adds up to just $50, or approximately 10 > > minutes of a good attorney's time. > > I pitch this: > > a link from www.kevinmitnick.com that says - "Help pay for Kevin's Defense > without spending a DIME!" > > This link takes you to a page that the km.com folks have set up which says > something along the lines of: > > "These sponsors pay for each unique access to their site. By visiting our > sponsor, you are contributing $0.05 to Kevin Mitnick's Defense Fund. If > you visit each sponsor once a week and tell all your friends to access > each sponsor once a week, you can help make a tremendous contribution en > masse. 1 click to 1 sponsor by 10000 people each week would put $500 in > the defense fund. 1 click to 2 sponsors by 10000 people each week would > put $1000 in the fund, and so on. > > Please do not click a banner more than once a week [OR WHATEVER THE > SPONSOR'S RULE IS] as sponsors assume host floods to be an attempt to > defraud them." > > This would mean that km.com would have to sign up with each of these > sponsors and have the checks sent DIRECTLY to the KM defense fund. > > With all the people that are accessing kevinmitnick.com, this could make a > pretty decent contribution to the fund weekly (or however often they pay > out to banner hosts) > > That's MY $0.05 worth. > > > > <..rOTTEN..> > > nobody move, nobody get hurt > > error187(1) critical failure > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 21:13:44 -0500 From: Zach Miller Subject: Re: [mitnick] NEW URL IT ISN"T FAKE #2 - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 ksandre wrote: >On Thu, 1 Oct 1998, Daniel Sissman wrote: > >>From Webcelerator. They pay people to put their banners up, based on the >> number of hits they generate. > >Who/what _is_ "Webcelerator?" why don't you click on the link and find out!! - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.0 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBNhQ2tOgL9Sh8Y7WiEQJd6gCg11+Weydnw0YHIh5cQWP7u0QgRQQAnA8j JNbL4ebNglZkmfZxidtJMoHO =csql - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 02:25:25 GMT From: redvision@geocities.com (Cassidy) Subject: Re: [mitnick] Nokia suing? On Thu, 1 Oct 1998 21:24:22 -0400 (EDT), ksandre wrote: >On Thu, 1 Oct 1998 FallOut4E@aol.com wrote: >> I think it would be possible for Nokia, etc., to sue Kevin for stealing their >> intellectual property, but highly unlikely. First of all the $80 million >> dollars of "damage" Kevin caused to these companies is BULLSHIT. Second of >> all it would cost the companies a lot of money to sue, and what would they >> gain? > >Legal Precendent. Of what calibre? Bah. Precedents are not set by punishment lawsuits. It's already pretty clear that violating copyright can lead to suits. I mean, duh. :) >'Sending Warning Message' To Potential Hackers [aka "Terrorists"]. Exactly what impact would this have on the hacker community? Civil suits can't result in jail time, you know. >Wouldn't they get to deduct their Legal Expense anyway? Possibly. From their taxes. They'd still have to pay them tho. And they wouldn't get anything out of Mitnick. First rule of suing: Sue people with money. You can't get money from the broke. Mitnick doesn't have money. He does not have copyright violation insurance. He's immune to suit... - -- once again in Fredericton (for the last time) GothCode 98: CUOfba3iaSdaqaaaHbaa55gyMSMQsj96glavbhiK1#ZF!a7k7Pci6naeainiaeg2ZIcVddkvpk6baasEbqgUXMFaaaaaabcaNB Camarilla Member #9771-013 http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/8869/ ICQ: 5853501 Stories: http://www.fortunecity.com/roswell/poe/4/ Meekness is uncommon patience in planning a worthwhile revenge. --- Ardjukk Afraid-of-His-Cats Free Kevin Mitnick! http://www.kevinmitnick.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 22:32:22 -0400 From: Dan Sissman Subject: Re: [mitnick] NEW URL IT ISN"T FAKE #2 It's a freeware cache/prefetch thingy that speeds up web browsing.  Follow their link for more info.  The downside is that it sends you to an ad page upon startup of your browser, but I'd say it's worth it. ksandre wrote: > On Thu, 1 Oct 1998, Daniel Sissman wrote: > > > > >From Webcelerator.  They pay people to put their banners up, based on the > > number of hits they generate. > > Who/what _is_ "Webcelerator?" - -- Dan Sissman, amateur triviaphile            Free Kevin Mitnick! http://www.albany.net/~dsissman             http://www.kevinmitnick.com   ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 19:28:03 PDT From: "Jason Ragsdale" Subject: [mitnick] Mitnick Questions After a few attempts by my local newspaper to make Kevin look bad in the eyes of everyone here, I have decided to write a letter to them. They claimed that Kevin was CONVICTED of stealing 20,000 credit card numbers. I know that he hasn't been convicted of anything, but I was just wondering why he had the credit card numbers in the first place. I remember in The Fugitive Game, Jonathan Littman mentioned something about how they had been floating around the internet for quite a while. But why did Kevin have them? Was he planning on using them if worse came to worse or what? Thanks for your time Jason ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 22:39:16 -0400 From: Dan Sissman Subject: Re: [mitnick] NEW URL IT ISN"T FAKE #2 Click on the Acceleration Software International link at the very top of the page.  The Free Kevin Now button simply brings you to www.kevinmitnick.com. XxGaLxX wrote: > Are we suppossed to click on the Webcelerator link, or the little Free > Kevin Now button?  (sorry, i'm not very good with understanding > directions!) =) > > ---------- > > From: ksandre > > To: 'mitnick@2600.com' > > Subject: RE: [mitnick] NEW URL IT ISN"T FAKE #2 > > Date: Thursday, October 01, 1998 8:08 PM > > > > On Thu, 1 Oct 1998, Daniel Sissman wrote: > > > > > > >From Webcelerator.  They pay people to put their banners up, based on > the > > > number of hits they generate. > > > > Who/what _is_ "Webcelerator?" > > > > - -- Dan Sissman, amateur triviaphile            Free Kevin Mitnick! http://www.albany.net/~dsissman             http://www.kevinmitnick.com   ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 22:55:41 EDT From: WyRmXx@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] NEW URL IT ISN"T FAKE #2 In a message dated 10/1/98 9:12:59 PM US Eastern Standard Time, zach.miller@usa.net writes: > why did you pick a sponser that pays $0.05/click? im sure there are > ones that > will pay more. > > there *are* ones that will pay more, but they only pay if the person > actually buys > something from them...then you get a percentage of the total sales > made off your site's > ad. thats only the case with that place..what the hell i cant remember. X- Pics..thats it. there are others that do pay more. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 22:59:52 -0400 From: kerry Subject: Re: [mitnick] Mitnick Questions The numbers had been floating around the net for months and were available on irc and many places. They were referred to as having been used and posted lots of places as a "trophy" of sorts. He isn't being charged with this. The media locks on to it and can't seem to let it go though, because mentioning stolen credit card numbers strikes fear in their readers and makes em buy more newspapers. Saying Kevin was "accused of possessing stolen credit card numbers" sounds better to them than following that up with "1. Kevin never used them, 2. a lot of other people had them too and 3. they were old and had been around on the net for a long time..." kerry Jason Ragsdale wrote: > After a few attempts by my local newspaper to make Kevin look bad in the > eyes of everyone here, I have decided to write a letter to them. They > claimed that Kevin was CONVICTED of stealing 20,000 credit card numbers. > I know that he hasn't been convicted of anything, but I was just > wondering why he had the credit card numbers in the first place. I > remember in The Fugitive Game, Jonathan Littman mentioned something > about how they had been floating around the internet for quite a while. > But why did Kevin have them? Was he planning on using them if worse came > to worse or what? > Thanks for your time > Jason > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -- *********************************************************** FREE KEVIN bumperstickers http://www.mindspring.com/~jump0 *********************************************************** PO Box 17435 - Raleigh NC 27619 - email jump0@mindspring.com checks/money orders payable to "Free Kevin Publicity Fund" *********************************************************** Stickers are sold at cost plus postage - we make no profit from this effort - donations are split equally between Kevin's Defense Fund and the Free Kevin Publicity Fund. *********************************************************** F R E E K E V I N http://www.KevinMitnick.com ------------------------------ End of mitnick-digest V1 #171 *****************************