mitnick-digest Monday, October 5 1998 Volume 01 : Number 172 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 01:42:01 EDT From: FallOut4E@aol.com Subject: [mitnick] What about a kevinmitnick.com ad banner? Kerry, phil, or whoever is running the kevinmitnick.com site, why don't you add ad banners to the site like I think rotten was suggesting. With as many people that visit the site, that would make a lot of money over time. What do you think? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 02:03:32 -0400 From: Emmanuel Goldstein Subject: Re: [mitnick] Mitnick Questions On Thu, Oct 01, 1998 at 10:59:52PM -0400, kerry wrote: > > He isn't being charged with this. The media locks on to it and can't seem > to let it go though, because mentioning stolen credit card numbers strikes > fear in their readers and makes em buy more newspapers. Saying Kevin was > "accused of possessing stolen credit card numbers" sounds better to them > than following that up with "1. Kevin never used them, 2. a lot of other > people had them too and 3. they were old and had been around on the net for > a long time..." this mention of credit card numbers goes directly to the 2/16/95 front page article by markoff where this was stated in the first paragraph. even i began to think kevin was up to something bad when i read that. however, if you read much further into the article, you would see that there was no indication or accusation that he had used any of them. putting that misleading item on the front page of the new york times is the biggest reason why that misperception has refused to die - hundreds of papers around the world just repeated what they saw in the times. most of them never bothered to mention the real truth. this is one element of the saga i don't think is very hard to blame squarely on markoff. by putting that in the first paragraph, he clearly was altering people's opinions without giving them the facts. emmanuel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 18:12:20 GMT From: squatex@fdt.net (John Barleycorn) Subject: Re: [mitnick] NEW URL IT ISN"T FAKE #2 ( whats this thread about? ) On Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:28:56 -0700 (PDT), rOTTEN shot across phone lines and fiber optic cable worldwide at amazing speeds: >I pitch this: > >a link from www.kevinmitnick.com that says - "Help pay for Kevin's Defense >without spending a DIME!" > >This link takes you to a page that the km.com folks have set up which says >something along the lines of: > >"These sponsors pay for each unique access to their site. By visiting our >sponsor, you are contributing $0.05 to Kevin Mitnick's Defense Fund. If >you visit each sponsor once a week and tell all your friends to access >each sponsor once a week, you can help make a tremendous contribution en >masse. 1 click to 1 sponsor by 10000 people each week would put $500 in >the defense fund. 1 click to 2 sponsors by 10000 people each week would >put $1000 in the fund, and so on. > >Please do not click a banner more than once a week [OR WHATEVER THE >SPONSOR'S RULE IS] as sponsors assume host floods to be an attempt to >defraud them." > >This would mean that km.com would have to sign up with each of these >sponsors and have the checks sent DIRECTLY to the KM defense fund. > >With all the people that are accessing kevinmitnick.com, this could make a >pretty decent contribution to the fund weekly (or however often they pay >out to banner hosts) > >That's MY $0.05 worth. > > > > <..rOTTEN..> Ther is a small problem with "begging" visitors to click banners. Many of the more legitimate sites that offer these ad deals prohibit it, and doing what is mentioned above could be an constude as an attempt to do so. A better approach would be to place a banner at the top of each page and mention, in passing, that all proceeds of the banner ads go to the mitnick defense fund. If you ask me it WOULD be easier for the "official" Mitnick site to manage the banner ads for a couple reasons. a) Legitimacy: Now more of these silly "This Site is a Fake" threads will be started. People trust the operators of the Mitnick site to do whats right. b) Tax Purposes: Many places that offer these banner ad deals DO report what they earn to the IRS. Now im not trying to blow this whole thing out of proportion, but what would happen if i started a Mitnick banner click site and it earned 3 grand for the defense fund over the next year. Ther goes my refund, something i count on at the end of the year. If i were borderline between tax brackets it could easily do alot more damage than that. It would be easier for the ppl who run the Mitnick site to get all the neccessary paperwork from Reba and get the excemption stuff set up so no one person has to foot the bill. I in no way mean for the above to discourage anyone from setting up their own banner ad site. Every penny does count and ther are alot of sites that dont ask for a social security number. Ill shut up now :P dc.... squatex@fdt.net FREE KEVIN MITNICK NOW! - www.kevinmitnick.com - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.5.5 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBNe2Lv3lr+Q3ACIOvEQLhFwCfSiB25qq+W98ZKA/KxwQxVUC+jZEAoIDF loxMewZoGjnIpCY+/SUqtbBi =ym4I - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 23:16:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Rich Burroughs Subject: RE: [mitnick] Mitnick Questions On 02-Oct-98 Jason Ragsdale wrote: > > After a few attempts by my local newspaper to make Kevin look bad in the > eyes of everyone here, I have decided to write a letter to them. They > claimed that Kevin was CONVICTED of stealing 20,000 credit card numbers. > I know that he hasn't been convicted of anything, but I was just > wondering why he had the credit card numbers in the first place. I > remember in The Fugitive Game, Jonathan Littman mentioned something > about how they had been floating around the internet for quite a while. > But why did Kevin have them? Was he planning on using them if worse came > to worse or what? There's no way that any of us could possibly know the answer to that. Kevin would know the answer, but he's not talking. Anything he would say could be used against him. Even saying that he did knowingly possess the list of card numbers would be a dangerous admission. Rich - --- rich@p a r a n o i d.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 23:44:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Rich Burroughs Subject: Re: [mitnick] Sentencing statistics On 01-Oct-98 ksandre wrote: [snip] > I thought part of the time he has served in LA is applied to the guilty > plea already given in NC? It certainly should be. He's already served time that's significantly more than the sentence for the NC stuff. It's also certainly possible that the time served could be applied to both sentences (like serving them concurrently), if I understand things right. Rich - --- rich@p a r a n o i d.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 23:48:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Rich Burroughs Subject: Re: [mitnick] Sentencing statistics On 01-Oct-98 ksandre wrote: > What are all the other jurisdictions in Kevin's case? Who knows. Anywhere else they could allege that crimes had been committed, I suppose. Shimomura's book, for instance, talks about dial-up activity originating from other locations besides NC (like Colorado). Rich - --- rich@p a r a n o i d.org ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 10:04:32 +0200 From: Hamburg Robbert <95100526@student.sem.hhs.nl> Subject: [mitnick] HELP!! Finacial help !!!! I can assure you this is not a fake or whatever you may call it. It is just a way trying kevin to help earning some money. It is for a good purpose and is sponserd by people who want more traffic on their website. So visit them by clicking the "webcelerator" link on top of this page. We need at least 1000 click to get paid. http://www.geocities.com/Area51/8495 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 05:54:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Joseph Heinkel Subject: Re: [mitnick] Sentencing statistics - ---Rich Burroughs wrote: > > On 01-Oct-98 ksandre wrote: > [snip] > > I thought part of the time he has served in LA is applied to the guilty > > plea already given in NC? > > It certainly should be. He's already served time that's significantly more > than the sentence for the NC stuff. It's also certainly possible that the time > served could be applied to both sentences (like serving them concurrently), if > I understand things right. > Also he is serving time for probation violation. Whoever said he is not guilty of violating his probation is wrong. There was a very knowledgeable fellow who wrote a message on the list pointing this out to me he and listed a url for a legal document on the kevin mitnick site. Now I know why lawyers get paid so much money, they have to go thru and read boring crap like this every day! Basically it says he is to serve 22 consecutive months in jail for the NC charges and violation of supervised release. Here is the url: http://www.kevinmitnick.com/trans061697.html On a related note, is he still wanted in Seattle for cell phone fraud or has the warrant expired? > > Rich > > > > --- > rich@p a r a n o i d.org > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 14:55:19 -0400 From: Emmanuel Goldstein Subject: Re: [mitnick] Sentencing statistics On Fri, Oct 02, 1998 at 05:54:46AM -0700, Joseph Heinkel wrote: > > > Also he is serving time for probation violation. Whoever said he is > not guilty of violating his probation is wrong. There was a very > knowledgeable fellow who wrote a message on the list pointing this out > to me he and listed a url for a legal document on the kevin mitnick > site. Now I know why lawyers get paid so much money, they have to go > thru and read boring crap like this every day! Basically it says > he is to serve 22 consecutive months in jail for the NC charges and > violation of supervised release. Here is the url: > http://www.kevinmitnick.com/trans061697.html pleading guilty to that was the only way kevin could get out of north carolina and be held in his home state of california. it was later determined that he wasn't guilty of associating with a felon as lewis depayne was shown not to be a felon. and the accusation that he had failed to report to his probation officer came under severe doubt as phone records indicated that he had indeed stayed in touch and no record of any attempt to notify kevin of a violation was ever found. he's already served the time so nothing can be done. kevin lacks the legal resources necessary to give this matter the attention it deserves. unfortunately, pleading guilty does not always mean the same as *being* guilty. in this country, you're often forced into doing this to avoid undue suffering. this is a classic example, not only of that, but of how such a move can be used to make things even worse. emmanuel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 16:06:00 EDT From: BadGirlnLA@aol.com Subject: [mitnick] Back to the USSC Buy those bumperstickers, shirts, and mousepads so there will be enough money in the defense fund for Kevin and his attorneys to keep sending this document to each of the Supreme Court Justices until he gets a favorable response. It takes money to do this legal work. Please give to the Kevin Mitnick Defense Fund. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ October 1, 1998 VIA FEDERAL EXPRESS Office of the Clerk United States Supreme Court 1 First Street, NE Washington, D.C. 20543 RE: Kevin David Mitnick v. United States, Application No. A-157 To the Clerk of the Court: Pursuant to Supreme Court Rule 22, Applicant Kevin David Mitnick hereby renews his application for bail and designates that the application be directed to Justice John P. Stevens. Recognizing that renewed applications are disfavored, this Applicant respectfully re-submits this matter on the grounds that he has been ordered detained without ever having the benefit of a detention hearing. Given this fact, this Court could not have properly found that his continued detention was legal. Under these extraordinary circumstances, re-submission of this application is justified. Respectfully submitted, RANDOLPH & LEVANAS By: Donald C. Randolph Attorneys for Applicant KEVIN DAVID MITNICK cc: David Schindler, Asst. U.S. Attorney and Christopher Painter, Asst. U.S. Attorney ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 19:01:26 -0400 From: che guevara Subject: [mitnick] infotel hack today, brazilian hackers hacked http://www.infotel.com.mx/ it's gonna show a bad image of kevin again cause all alone, in the middle of the document it says "FREE KEVIN nOW" at least this time they didn't write 11k3 th13 a mirror is available at http://www.2600.com/hackedphiles/infotel/hacked/ - -- - --++ che guevara ++-- - --++ aim: chejuana ++-- - --++ irc: cguevara (efnet) ++-- - --++ http://www.kevinmitnick.com ++-- - --++ http://cguevara.home.ml.org ++-- __________________________________ "This is the first age that's paid much attention to the future, which is a little ironic since we may not have one." - Arthur C. Clarke ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 17:12:45 -0700 From: "Luvshark" Subject: RE: [mitnick] Sentencing statistics > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-mitnick@2600.com [mailto:owner-mitnick@2600.com]On Behalf Of > Emmanuel Goldstein > Sent: Friday, October 02, 1998 11:55 AM > To: mitnick@2600.com > Subject: Re: [mitnick] Sentencing statistics > > > On Fri, Oct 02, 1998 at 05:54:46AM -0700, Joseph Heinkel wrote: > > > > > Also he is serving time for probation violation. Whoever said he is > > not guilty of violating his probation is wrong. There was a very > > knowledgeable fellow who wrote a message on the list pointing this out > > to me he and listed a url for a legal document on the kevin mitnick > > site. Now I know why lawyers get paid so much money, they have to go > > thru and read boring crap like this every day! Basically it says > > he is to serve 22 consecutive months in jail for the NC charges and > > violation of supervised release. Here is the url: > > http://www.kevinmitnick.com/trans061697.html > > pleading guilty to that was the only way kevin could get out of north > carolina and be held in his home state of california. it was > later determined > that he wasn't guilty of associating with a felon as lewis depayne was > shown not to be a felon. and the accusation that he had failed to report > to his probation officer came under severe doubt as phone records > indicated > that he had indeed stayed in touch and no record of any attempt to notify > kevin of a violation was ever found. he's already served the time > so nothing > can be done. kevin lacks the legal resources necessary to give > this matter > the attention it deserves. unfortunately, pleading guilty does > not always mean the same as *being* guilty. in this country, you're often > forced into doing this to avoid undue suffering. this is a > classic example, > not only of that, but of how such a move can be used to make things > even worse. > > emmanuel > > No ,matter what the amount of time he has spent in custody , in a federal holding facility under those conditions , without his fate decided one way or another , is unreal. I mean if he was on probation for stealing cars he probably would have gotten a break. Even if you add the (ALEGED) probation violation. And even if that companies that (ALEGEDLY) lost money. Three and a half years under the conditions of a federal holding facility is more than enough. You see a federal holding facility is where you await trial , most of the individual's there are only there for a short time. You dont have the frills of general population. And with federal there is no parole. If he would have shot the president he would have gottena trial at least. Hell even Timothy McVey was treated acording to the constitution. Where does it end. One more point about the aleged probation violation , even if it was so no one could blame him for wanting to run , in 1988 he spent eight of his ten month sentence in solitary confinment because they were affraid he could bug the prison offices with a walkman or something. Once again Ignorance breeds fear. And looking at the situation he is in now , I guess he was right to assume the worst. Peace to all :) Luvshark http://home1.gte.net/vthing/index.htm If God dropped acid , would he see people ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 03:09:56 -0400 From: kerry Subject: [mitnick] Kevin's legal documents More of Kevin's court transcripts will be put up on the site (http://www.kevinmitnick.com/docs.html) during the next few days. The first one's http://www.kevinmitnick.com/oct0897.html. *********************************************************** F R E E K E V I N http://www.KevinMitnick.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 10:25:51 EDT From: FallOut4E@aol.com Subject: [mitnick] about the transcript After reading the court session on Oct. 8 1997 that Kerry posted at http://www.kevinmitnick.com/oct0897.html I was outraged. I don't understand how the court can be allowed to be so uninformed. The judge was refusing to allow Kevin a computer of any kind, because of the "fear" she had about it. She was suggesting that Kevin would misuse the computer to break the law while incarcerated, even though it would have no modem or nic. Not only is this impossible, it is ridiculous. Also, she was saying the Kevin has no right to view for himself all of the evidence against him, suggesting that Mr. Randolph will get to view all of it and that is enough. Again, we see the incompetent Court not understanding the nature of computer information. Mr. Randolph being a lawyer, probably doesn't know all the technical skills (no disrespect) needed to be able to comprehend the information the Government has stored on disk. Therefore would not be able to provide the best defense based on his review of the evidence. That's why it is so important that Kevin gets access to the information on a laptop without the Government looking over his shoulders. That or Kevin needs to get the experts needed to help out. Please contribute to the Defense Fund. BTW, does anyone know the current status of Kevin expert help? Have they received any at all? The Court has basically handicapped the defense, while the Government can spend however much they want. Judging by how much they are trying to screw Kevin, they must be spending a lot. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 03:23:00 -0400 From: kerry Subject: [mitnick] More legal documents 2 more legal documents on http://www.kevinmitnick.com/docs.html: http://www.kevinmitnick.com/trans062397.html - June 23 1997 court transcript: conditions of sentence and supervised release http://www.kevinmitnick.com/trans042296.html - April 22 1996 court transcript where Kevin agrees to plea bargain on the North Carolina charges so the case can be moved back to california more tomorrow... *********************************************************** F R E E K E V I N http://www.KevinMitnick.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 16:02:48 EDT From: BadGirlnLA@aol.com Subject: [mitnick] Mitnick Defense Fund The total amount in the Mitnick Defense Fund as of today, October 4, 1998 is: $5,487.16. The Mitnick Mousepad is still on the drawing board. If anyone knows of a person/company in the Los Angeles area who does good art work which could be used for this project, please email me (away from mailing list). The deadline for this mousepad was October lst. Time is running out. The majority of the new money which has been received for the Mitnick Defense Fund is coming from bumper stickers. If orders can be turned into Kevin Joubert for t-shirts, pens, etc., more money can be raised. http://members.xoom.com/TelePhreak/merch.html And for those of you who have been asking about expert witnesses--- Kevin's attorneys are still searching. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 13:50:55 PDT From: "TelePhreak ." Subject: [mitnick] The Expert Witness after reading BadGrlnLA's last post it reminded me of the radio show right before Off The Hook. The Show Is called The Expert Witness with Mike Lavien(sp?) it talks about alot of things dealing with the courts, sometimes injustices, etc... Maybe we should email him. I doubt he hasn't heard of the name Kevin Mitnick since off the hook is on right after him, but maybe if WBAI has two shows back to back on one person it might hit a bigger audiance. Just a Thought - - - - - - - - ->Phone Rangers<- - - - - - - - - - - F -TelePhreak R Email: AcidHak@Hotmail.com E mIRC: TelePhrk E ICQ: 10886438 K Aol Instant Messanger: TelePhrk 0 E NPA: 908 (NJ) V http://phonerangers.home.ml.org/ I - - - - - - - - ->Phone Rangers<- - - - - - - - - - - N ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 18:57:43 -0400 From: "Syrus S. Root" Subject: Re: [mitnick] The Expert Witness Levine is former FBI. I don't know him or his show, but I bet he isn't that sympathetic to Kevin. Maybe he is Gahdi reborn, but anyone who drew a paycheck from the FBI... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 16:50:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Support Services Subject: Re: [mitnick] Mitnick Defense Fund SocialButterflyInLA wrote: > > And for those of you who have been asking about expert witnesses--- > Kevin's attorneys are still searching. Does that mean the expert witnesses they've interviewed have been too stupid to qualify? Kind of like Ian Murphy? A self-proclaimed computer security expert who installs air-conditioning ducts full time for a living, and whose wife is constantly screaming at him to "get off the phone" when he talks to people from his home. Lord save the Queen. Or at least let her get pregnant before she dies. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 23:49:16 -0400 From: Dan Sissman Subject: Re: [mitnick] The Expert Witness Yeah, but he's more "former" than "FBI".  From what I've heard on his show, it sounds like he left the FBI becuase he was unhappy with the "bureau mentality" and the abuses of the law enforcement community.  He might be more sympathetic to Kevin's case than you expect. Syrus S. Root wrote: > Levine is former FBI.  I don't know him or his show, but I bet he isn't > that sympathetic to Kevin.  Maybe he is Gahdi reborn, but anyone who drew a > paycheck from the FBI... - -- Dan Sissman, amateur triviaphile            Free Kevin Mitnick! http://www.albany.net/~dsissman             http://www.kevinmitnick.com   ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 04:48:12 -0400 From: kerry Subject: [mitnick] 3/98 transcript posted You guys should definitely read this one... http://www.kevinmitnick.com/trans033098.html especially: http://www.kevinmitnick.com/trans033098.html#bail http://www.kevinmitnick.com/trans033098.html#evidence http://www.kevinmitnick.com/trans033098.html#bail2 http://www.kevinmitnick.com/trans033098.html#computer_mdc http://www.kevinmitnick.com/trans033098.html#withhold_evidence http://www.kevinmitnick.com/trans033098.html#govt_oppos http://www.kevinmitnick.com/trans033098.html#one_exhibit http://www.kevinmitnick.com/trans033098.html#paperwork http://www.kevinmitnick.com/trans033098.html#no_bail http://www.kevinmitnick.com/trans033098.html#defense_time http://www.kevinmitnick.com/trans033098.html#encrypted_evidence http://www.kevinmitnick.com/trans033098.html#complex http://www.kevinmitnick.com/trans033098.html#security_concerns http://www.kevinmitnick.com/trans033098.html#deadline *********************************************************** F R E E K E V I N http://www.KevinMitnick.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 06:22:50 -0400 From: kerry Subject: [mitnick] Takedown script Latest comments on the latest script for Takedown the movie, now done filming... - ------------------------------------------------------------ This movie will not make a lot of money for miramax. It's not major motion picture material. But you can read the book it's "freely adapted from" and figure that out... The last script is definitely more sympathetic to Kevin -- it seems intended to make you pity him. They are really stretching the pitiful damaged psyche thing. Both he and Shimomura are portrayed as antisocial, but Kevin in a seedy, dark kind of way, and Shim. in a more socially-acceptable way. The sappy romance between Shim and Julia must be the only thing they took straight out of the book at this point. (I noticed they didn't eat very much!) I hope that Shim. has seen Julia's statement about the movie on Kevin's site (http://www.kevinmitnick.com/menapace.html) site. Bad that they made her (a programmer in real life) into this sappy psychologist pyschoanalyzing Kevin and doting on Shimomura... The cell-scanning scene with the girl really makes Kevin look pathological... of course, that scene is old news, since it's been in the script before... They start out spending a romantic evening together, but intimacy seems awkward... so Kevin whips out the old cell phone and shows his reluctant date how to listen to private conversations... and she ends the date then and there. Subtle clues into the lone hacker psyche, right...? I wonder what Shim. would say on a first date... "Hey baby, let's write a stealth virus!" :) Someone who worked on the film thinks the reason they hired "a good looking actor like Skeet" is to get some sympathy value for Kevin... It's admitted that Shim built his own cell scanner and he does hide it in the car under his jacket. The Sprint tech says "How did a private citizen get his hands on that...That makes me a little nervous"... but he goes along with the unofficial/illegal investigation anyways. Then they go talk to the FBI agent Gibson: - ----- SHIMOMURA He's in an apartment complex. Out by the airport. GIBSON How did you find him? Legally? No answer. - ----- "Brad" (Andrew) puts shim down right after they discover the attack was IP spoofing -- where Brad says "You just don't give a shit about people." Kevin and jsz speculate that it looks as though Shim wrote his evil stealth virus code - not for big brother, but just "Because he can"... After the security conference where Shim plays the phone message tapes, and the agent is trying to convince him to help catch Kevin, he (Shim) says "I really don't care if it's Kevin Mitnick"... Kevin throughout is obsessed with Shim having called him lame... But it's made pretty clear that Kevin's not the one pulling practical jokes like crank calls. The question of privacy violations during the search is brought up when they go to the "BALL" (WELL) - and it's very obvious shim doesn't care if a well-user's rights were/may have been violated in their investigation. He also doesn't care if the Sprint tech in Raleigh risks losing his job by giving them private cell records. He just doesn't care! Get it? It's amusing that Kevin and jsz can recognize worm and stealth virus code!!! as it scrolls by on the screen. It's fairly clear Kevin doesn't want to use the stealth virus code for evil purposes; he just wants to know how it works. Although at the end he still victoriously thinks he's uploaded Shim's apocalyptic code to the net in revenge, when Shim saves the day with a cell-phone hack he equates to the earlier ip-spoofing attack on his machine. I know, as it's "freely adapted from the book" and all, that this will never happen, but I wish people knew how involved John Markoff was in the whole takedown situation. A good comment about Markoff's articles though - "Alex" in the movie says "The whole article is crap. "20 million computers are at risk for being hacked"...like they weren't before." I don't know what the hell this is supposed to mean but it's amusing: "As Shimomura catches up, Mitnick wheels around and glares at Shimomura...eyes on fire...like Richard III on acid ... freezing Shimomura in his tracks." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 12:46:25 +0200 From: Hamburg Robbert <95100526@student.sem.hhs.nl> Subject: [mitnick] !! Financial help. !!! Currently I have received 40 clicks on the banners on the website. The money we earn with that will be donated to Kevin Mitnick's defense fund. So please continue clicking on the website there are 3 compagnies who have agreed to pay me money when I help them get more traffic to their homepage. The only thing that you have to do is go to http://www.geocities.com/Area51/8495 and click one of the three banners (2 text and one real banner) on top of the page. There is no indication that the money will be donated to kevin but that is for one reason. The advertisers do not know where the money is going, if the knew they STOP paying immediately because kevin is being accused of an illegal activity and most compagnies do not want to get related with that. So we have to do it this way. Continue to help and ask everybody you know on the internet to do the same. http://www.geocities.com/Area51/8495 . We need at least a thousand unique clicks. Forward this message and bookmark the site. Everytime you surf visit the site and click the banner and start surfing the way you usually does. Greetings Robbert. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 04:42:29 -0700 From: Caliban Tiresias Darklock Subject: Re: [mitnick] Takedown script On 06:22 AM 10/5/98 -0400, I personally witnessed kerry jumping up to say: > >It's amusing that Kevin and jsz can recognize worm and stealth virus >code!!! as it scrolls by on the screen. But not too terribly unbelievable, actually; there are certain things that a virus/worm does which NOTHING else needs to do. Like read and copy its own machine code, locate the first executable program file in a random directory (or preferably in two or three), connect to any network node reasonably accessible from the host without regard for what or where it is, retrieve network and file information without any user input whatsoever, read password information and deliver it to another machine -- if you find ANY of the above in a program, chances are it's some form of virus, worm, or trojan. Another big red flag is the way "appending" virii work; they slap themselves on the end of the file, replacing the entry point of the program with their own code's entry point. So if something has an entry point *very* late in the code, especially less than 1K from the end, you have reason to be suspicious. Um, er, not that I um, know anything about such stuff. I... uh... read this book once. ;) >I don't know what the hell this is supposed to mean but it's amusing: >"As Shimomura catches up, Mitnick wheels around and glares at >Shimomura...eyes on fire...like Richard III on acid ... freezing >Shimomura in his tracks." Like WHAT? Is it just me, or is that a contender for that "worst metaphor" site on the net? (My favorite is still "Long separated by cruel fate, the star-crossed lovers raced across the grassy field toward each other like two freight trains, one having left Cleveland at 6:36 pm traveling at 55 mph, the other from Topeka at 4:19 pm at a speed of 35 mph." -- although "Bob was as perplexed as a hacker who means to access T:flw.quid55328.com\aaakk/ch@ung but gets T:\flw.quidaaakk/ch@ung by mistake" runs a close second.) And oddly enough, I know just what the writer means and really *can* picture that look -- something must be really wrong with me. - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- As the fire burneth a wood, and the flame setteth the mountains on fire; So persecute them with thy tempest, and make them afraid with thy storm. - ---------------------------[ Psalms, 83:14-15 ]--------------------------- Caliban Tiresias Darklock | "Hell, you don't Darklock Communications | know me." FREE KEVIN MITNICK! | - Charles Manson - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- And remember, if you don't kiss Hank's ass he'll kick the shit out of you. - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:01:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Daniel Sissman Subject: Re: [mitnick] Takedown script On Mon, 5 Oct 1998, Caliban Tiresias Darklock wrote: > On 06:22 AM 10/5/98 -0400, I personally witnessed kerry jumping up to say: > > > >It's amusing that Kevin and jsz can recognize worm and stealth virus > >code!!! as it scrolls by on the screen. > > But not too terribly unbelievable, actually; there are certain things that > a virus/worm does which NOTHING else needs to do. Like read and copy its Of course, in the movie, they'll probably have them looking at hex instead of source code. . . So is jsz the standin for Depayne? Dan Sissman, amateur triviaphile Free Kevin Mitnick! http://www.albany.net/~dsissman http://www.kevinmitnick.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 13:59:11 -0400 From: kerry Subject: Re: [mitnick] Takedown script One of the more positive (i guess) aspects of the movie will be that instead of smacking Shimomura with a garbage can lid, Kevin will incite a couple of big guys to beat the crap out of him (Shimomura) by yelling that he'd stolen his wallet. jsz is a hacker in Israel. It's overtly implied that he was the one who took down Shimomura's machines. >So is jsz the standin for Depayne? > *********************************************************** FREE KEVIN bumperstickers http://www.mindspring.com/~jump0 *********************************************************** PO Box 17435 - Raleigh NC 27619 - email jump0@mindspring.com checks/money orders payable to "Free Kevin Publicity Fund" *********************************************************** Stickers are sold at cost plus postage - we make no profit from this effort - donations are split equally between Kevin's Defense Fund and the Free Kevin Publicity Fund. *********************************************************** F R E E K E V I N http://www.KevinMitnick.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 15:56:37 PDT From: "TelePhreak ." Subject: [mitnick] TakeDown Actors i know this probably has been posted many times before but can you please post the lists of actors. (e.g: Actor - Person in real life) - - - - - - - - ->Phone Rangers<- - - - - - - - - - - F -TelePhreak R Email: AcidHak@Hotmail.com E mIRC: TelePhrk E ICQ: 10886438 K Aol Instant Messanger: TelePhrk 0 E NPA: 908 (NJ) V http://phonerangers.home.ml.org/ I - - - - - - - - ->Phone Rangers<- - - - - - - - - - - N ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 17:31:02 PDT From: "kenneth sooyna" Subject: [mitnick] New Idea for Finacial help !!!! First a side note, cyberthrill pays $0.20 a click they pay when you get $10 worth of clicks OK, This is my idea, _EVERYONE_ that has a page that they can put a banner on do so with as many banners as you can find, go on a search engine and search for "banner webmaster money" or something like that to get banners. You can also go to the site http://www.webmastersonly.com/makemoney/ and get a list of sites that pay to advertise. When you sign up, use the following information: Reba Vartanian PO Box 752 Middle Island, NY 11953 That way they checks automatically go to 2600 with Kevin's grandmother's name on it. And to verify that they are going there, and you aren't lieing to us when you put your site here, give the username and password to the account (which should be different than any other username/password you have) either on this list when you give your site or on your site so anyone can check it and if it gets changed by someone, it can be changed back. That will cut down on the accusations and make the person's job a little easier by not having to remail checks, etc.. If there are any problems with this plan please post your criticism _and_ how to fix it. I hope this helps clear any confusion for sites that are trying to raise money for Kevin. Also, with respect to making money with banners, there are three types that you can make money with: 1) Clickthru's: These are the most common and the advertiser pays for each (unique) click on the ad 2) Impression's: These are more rare and have high standard for entry, what it means is that the advertiser pays each time the ad is displayed. 3) Commisions: These usually pay the most because they offer a "reward" everytime someone buys something from them or joins their site from you page. Go to http://www.webmastersonly.com/makemoney/ for a list of companies that use the three above methods for advertising and try to join all that you can. Also, Porno sites usually pay big money to advertise their site, but be _careful_ many will cheat you and not pay and also think about whose going to visit your site to click the banners. It might be a good idea to put a warning above the porn sites that says something about it being a pornsite or even put them on a seperate page. Anyone with any questions post them here and someone will answer them. - - FREE KEVIN http://www.freekevin.com The Thinker and Duz ICQ#19173887 PGP:thinkerduz@hotmail.com http://www.crosswinds.net/new-york/~thinkerduz/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 17:39:47 PDT From: "kenneth sooyna" Subject: Re: [mitnick] a kevinmitnick.com ad banner? >From owner-mitnick@phalse.2600.com Thu Oct 1 23:36:31 1998 >Kerry, phil, or whoever is running the kevinmitnick.com site, why don't you >add ad banners to the site like I think rotten was suggesting. With as many >people that visit the site, that would make a lot of money over time. What do >you think? > I think they don't do this becuase it would seem that they are being influenced by the sponsors and/or the sponsors would not want to sponsor a site dedicated to a "criminal" Although it would be funny if they could get Motorola and the other companies that say they where hurt by Mitnick to sponsor the site. - - FREE KEVIN http://www.freekevin.com The Thinker and Duz ICQ#19173887 PGP:thinkerduz@hotmail.com http://www2.crosswinds.net/new-york/~thinkerduz ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of mitnick-digest V1 #172 *****************************