mitnick-digest Friday, October 16 1998 Volume 01 : Number 178 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 12:21:36 -0400 From: "Zachary Armstrong" Subject: [mitnick] ndependentink its back to normal ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:52:18 -0800 From: jasonZ Subject: Re: [mitnick] Entertainment Weekly article On 14-Oct-98, JAKade@aol.com posted about EntertainmentWeekly article: >What tripe. JUST ONCE I'd like to see a good, truthful, evenhanded >article on hacking in a major magazine. Dude! i think you need to mellow out, step back and look at our situation, and the EWarticle as it pertains to said situation. They did not accuse him of any crimes or call him "the worlds most dangerous cybervillain", and actually pointed out two or three times during the article that he is waiting for trial on _ALLEGED_ offences. They niether portrayed Kevin as bad, nor Shimomura as good. They made sure to point out that kevin is not affiliated with the hacks in his name, and how he feels about them(hacks). Of course they could have done a much better job of reporting the story and giving a view of the general situation and why we're all so pissed. ie: how long kevin's been held without trial, not being allowed means the reaserch the evidence against him for most of that time, the judges' refusal to allow pay for expert witnesses, or allow bail...etc. But keep in mind the are an entertainment mag and the story was about the situation around the movie, and they did a pretty good job of quickly synopsysing why we are pissed about that. (besides, how much space, and resaerch time do you think the editors and reporters of an 'entertainment mag' have to give for a movie that's really not even that close to coming out; i'm sure that in their view(and their advertisers view) they have more important things to be talking about). i'm not in any way trying to make excuses for EW, i am trying to point out that given our situation and the general coruption of the information media, we actually ended up with a decent report that fairly(tho not completely) desribes the situation and actually winds up showing, however breifly, Kevin as the descent guy he is. so yes EW probably does suck just as much as the rest of the mainstream infomedia but to say that story is complete crap(my interpretation of: "What tripe. ..." , is neither "evenhanded" nor "truthfull". peace, anarch out - -- - -jzo mendo.cali.namerica.earth... jasonz@jps.net http://www.jps.net/jasonz Team *AMIGA* !!Three years in JAIL without trial is NOT justice!! ...hmm, no damage, no profit, no violence, NO BAIL... Something just doesn't add up here! !FREE KEVIN! www.kevinmitnick.com AMIGA lives!---www.amiga.com---www.amiga.de---!sevil AGIMA ---www.amiga.org--- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 18:14:39 GMT From: squatex@fdt.net (John Barleycorn) Subject: Re: [mitnick] CHAT ABOUT MITNICK HERE !! On Thu, 15 Oct 1998 06:45:56 -0400, che guevara shot across phone lines and fiber optic cable worldwide at amazing speeds: >i think most people like irc better...which reminds me: why is no one >ever at #freekevin or #kevinmitnick on efnet? oh which remindes me. ther is also #freekevinmitnick on newnet. we could REALLY use ppl here. only got about 4 regulars. > >Hamburg Robbert wrote: > >> Hi it's me again. >> >> I have devoloped something new. You can chat on my homepage about >> Kevin and all other sort of subject containing kevin. Please come and >> check it out. >> http://www.geocities.com/Area51/8495 >> >> It's really worth to pay a visit. >> >> Robbert dc.... squatex@fdt.net FREE KEVIN MITNICK NOW! - www.kevinmitnick.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:43:00 EDT From: EmpAllin@aol.com Subject: [mitnick] http://table.jps.net/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/bweir/index.cgi "What is wanted is not the will to believe, but the will to find out, which is the exact opposite." - -- Bertrand Russell, "Skeptical_Essays", 1928 I found this quote at the above page and I feel that it pretty well sums up what we are trying to (or should be trying to achive) with this movement. I could be wrong, but I'm not. I also believe that is was the will to find out that is the heart of the matter anyway. It is what Mitnick is guilty of, and what made douche-boy track him down. - --Allin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 20:11:14 -0400 From: Emmanuel Goldstein Subject: [mitnick] forwarded mail this is the kinda crap we REALLY need. sheesh emmanuel - ----- Forwarded message from Melissa Shaffer ----- Received: from noc.nyx.net (mail@noc.nyx.net [206.124.29.3]) by phalse.2600.com (8.8.8/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA20119 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 15:35:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nyx10.nyx.net (mshaffer@nyx10.nyx.net [206.124.29.2]) by noc.nyx.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1/esr) with ESMTP id NAA16808; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 13:34:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (mshaffer@localhost) by nyx10.nyx.net (8.8.8/8.8.8/esr) with SMTP id NAA28757; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 13:34:08 -0600 (MDT) X-Nyx-Envelope-Data: Date=Thu Oct 15 13:34:08 1998, Sender=mshaffer@nyx.net, Recipient=, Valsender=mshaffer@localhost Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 13:34:07 -0600 (MDT) From: Melissa Shaffer X-Sender: mshaffer@nyx10 To: president@whitehouse.gov, webmaster@2600.com, webmaster@abc.com, webmaster@nbc.com, webmaster@cbs.com Subject: READ THIS! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII KILL KILL KILL KILL KILL PRESIDENT PRESIDENT PRESIDENT PRESIDENT PRESIDENT IF YOU THINK THIS IS A DEATH THREAT YOU ARE A GOOB. [That's just there to flag the message, sorry.] Why is someone's BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS being violated? Why is someone's BASIC CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS being violated. I became a citizen of this country for ONE REASON. Freedom. Now I find out that is just a LIE!? What is this? Has this country gone MAD!? I don't care what you did or who you did it with. That is NOT IMPORTANT, what is important is your character. It is also important that you DEAL WITH THIS. Sending the SECRET SERVICE to arrest me for this message won't work. It will only make things WORSE. FREE KEVIN MITNIK! This government that was based on FREEDOM and the ideal that people are INNOCENT /BEFORE/ proven GUILTY. Is this the United States or is this CHINA!? Your own Secret Service has held him for OVER 3 YEARS without a bail hearing or a trial. I suggest you read 'www.kevinmitnik.com' ASAP. Perhaps then you might see how this country has fallen. Death. - ----- End forwarded message ----- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 20:31:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Screamer Subject: Re: [mitnick] forwarded mail someone is going to be getting a visit from the secret service On Thu, 15 Oct 1998, Emmanuel Goldstein wrote: > this is the kinda crap we REALLY need. sheesh > > emmanuel > > ----- Forwarded message from Melissa Shaffer ----- > > Received: from noc.nyx.net (mail@noc.nyx.net [206.124.29.3]) > To: president@whitehouse.gov, webmaster@2600.com, webmaster@abc.com, > webmaster@nbc.com, webmaster@cbs.com > Subject: READ THIS! > KILL KILL KILL KILL KILL > PRESIDENT PRESIDENT PRESIDENT PRESIDENT PRESIDENT > IF YOU THINK THIS IS A DEATH THREAT YOU ARE A GOOB. > [That's just there to flag the message, sorry.] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 20:22:45 -0500 From: Zach Miller Subject: Re: [mitnick] forwarded mail Emmanuel Goldstein wrote: > > > KILL KILL KILL KILL KILL > PRESIDENT PRESIDENT PRESIDENT PRESIDENT PRESIDENT > IF YOU THINK THIS IS A DEATH THREAT YOU ARE A GOOB. > [That's just there to flag the message, sorry.] sorry?? sorry!?!?? >Sending the SECRET SERVICE to arrest me for this message won't work. It >will only make things WORSE. uh-huh yeah sure >FREE KEVIN MITNIK! This government that was based on FREEDOM and the ideal >that people are INNOCENT /BEFORE/ proven GUILTY. Is this the United States >or is this CHINA!? Your own Secret Service has held him for OVER 3 YEARS >without a bail hearing or a trial. I suggest you read >'www.kevinmitnik.com' ASAP. Perhaps then you might see how this country >has fallen. At least spell his name right!! and last I heard the President's secret service was not involved. yikes ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 21:17:42 EDT From: BackRowSka@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] forwarded mail Okay, Well I'm just going to throw my 2 cents in on this one. Who would wanna kill the president? That'll get you into prision for the rest of your life. I mean the angst is there but it seems like it was written by the Unabomber. And, please, if you are going to tell people about kevin, spell his last name correctly. And a brief note, I have a ska magazine based out NJ and I put an ad in there for Kevin. The mag is sent to major and small record labels, fans of ska & punk, and big bands that are featured in the issue (Rancid, SAve Ferris, Specials, etc.) It gets the message out to at least 1000 people (thats the print run) but I know people share it with their friends, so thats more people who wanna see how the gov. is treating its own citizens. Later, y'all Mike Ossner The Back Row Ska Zine P.O. Box 275 Morganville, NJ 07751 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 18:21:49 -0700 (PDT) From: rOTTEN Subject: Re: [mitnick]independentink after 24 hours... Anyone else care to add their two cents about whether or not it's cool to use FrontPage, before we kill the fucking thread? Last chance. <..rOTTEN..> nobody move, nobody get hurt error187(1) critical failure - - - - - - To do: 1) Purchase soundtrack from 'Permanent Midnight' 2) Forge in the smithy of my soul the uncreated conscience of my race. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 18:24:36 -0700 (PDT) From: rOTTEN Subject: Re: [mitnick] forwarded mail On Thu, 15 Oct 1998, Screamer wrote: > someone is going to be getting a visit from the secret service A friend of a friend once got a visit from the SS because he wrote a letter to the president in red crayon. Careful now. <..rOTTEN..> nobody move, nobody get hurt error187(1) critical failure - - - - - - To do: 1) Purchase soundtrack from 'Permanent Midnight' 2) Forge in the smithy of my soul the uncreated conscience of my race. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 18:35:07 -0700 (PDT) From: "§mökê" Subject: [mitnick] a damn hoe! alright don't get me wrong I belive that everybody is alwed to have there own opion, but win I say this page that complitly lafed and made fun of kevin mitnick i was pissed. I thought that i would be kind enof to share my info.Her webpage is http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Haven/6334/ & email is kevin_nobody@hotmail.com Sincerly, §mòkê69 _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 19:38:34 -0600 From: "Kevin Joubert" Subject: [mitnick] Mitnick Merchandise Ok. Here is the score on the Mitnick stuff: T-shirts, pens, and pencils are going to be the extent of it and they are ready to ship now. Check out the previous mentioned webpage at Telephreak's website for details. (http://members.xoom.com/TelePhreak/merch.html ) Mugs and polo shirts require either too many in an order or too much money for the intial setup. If anyone wants to pursue that on their own, http://www.landsend.com has good shirts and can embroider whatever you want. Coffee mugs and other stuff can be had at http://www.my-mug.com . Keep in mind however, that NONE of the money you spend at these sites will go to Kevin Mitnick's defense fund. A substantial amount of what you send me WILL go to Kevin. Lets not lose sight of what this is for. The T-shirts I have are gold or black. I think they both look great but personally like the black one. Pens and pencils look cool too. A bunch of you indicated interest when I was putting this thing together but almost no one has ordered yet. Please don't make me sorry I fronted my own money for this project! ORDER SOON! Kevin Joubert ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 22:46:12 EDT From: Phoenxknt@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] forwarded mail In a message dated 98-10-15 20:46:58 EDT, you write: << Subj: [mitnick] forwarded mail Date: 98-10-15 20:46:58 EDT From: emmanuel@2600.com (Emmanuel Goldstein) Sender: owner-mitnick@2600.com Reply-to: mitnick@2600.com To: mitnick@phalse.2600.com this is the kinda crap we REALLY need. sheesh emmanuel ----- Forwarded message from Melissa Shaffer ----- Received: from noc.nyx.net (mail@noc.nyx.net [206.124.29.3]) by phalse.2600.com (8.8.8/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA20119 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 15:35:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nyx10.nyx.net (mshaffer@nyx10.nyx.net [206.124.29.2]) by noc.nyx.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1/esr) with ESMTP id NAA16808; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 13:34:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (mshaffer@localhost) by nyx10.nyx.net (8.8.8/8.8.8/esr) with SMTP id NAA28757; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 13:34:08 -0600 (MDT) X-Nyx-Envelope-Data: Date=Thu Oct 15 13:34:08 1998, Sender=mshaffer@nyx.net, Recipient=, Valsender=mshaffer@localhost Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 13:34:07 -0600 (MDT) From: Melissa Shaffer X-Sender: mshaffer@nyx10 To: president@whitehouse.gov, webmaster@2600.com, webmaster@abc.com, webmaster@nbc.com, webmaster@cbs.com Subject: READ THIS! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII KILL KILL KILL KILL KILL PRESIDENT PRESIDENT PRESIDENT PRESIDENT PRESIDENT IF YOU THINK THIS IS A DEATH THREAT YOU ARE A GOOB. [That's just there to flag the message, sorry.] Why is someone's BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS being violated? Why is someone's BASIC CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS being violated. I became a citizen of this country for ONE REASON. Freedom. Now I find out that is just a LIE!? What is this? Has this country gone MAD!? I don't care what you did or who you did it with. That is NOT IMPORTANT, what is important is your character. It is also important that you DEAL WITH THIS. Sending the SECRET SERVICE to arrest me for this message won't work. It will only make things WORSE. FREE KEVIN MITNIK! This government that was based on FREEDOM and the ideal that people are INNOCENT /BEFORE/ proven GUILTY. Is this the United States or is this CHINA!? Your own Secret Service has held him for OVER 3 YEARS without a bail hearing or a trial. I suggest you read 'www.kevinmitnik.com' ASAP. Perhaps then you might see how this country has fallen. Death. ----- End forwarded message ----- ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from relay21.mx.aol.com (relay21.mail.aol.com [172.31.106.67]) by air17.mail.aol.com (v50.19) with SMTP; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 20:46:58 -0400 Received: from phalse.2600.com (2600.com [205.136.158.2]) by relay21.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id UAA08534; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 20:16:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by phalse.2600.com (8.8.8/8.8.6) id UAA21777 for mitnick-outgoing; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 20:11:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from emmanuel@localhost) by phalse.2600.com (8.8.8/8.8.6) id UAA21771; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 20:11:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19981015201114.G11095@phalse.2600.com> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 20:11:14 -0400 From: Emmanuel Goldstein To: mitnick@phalse.2600.com Subject: [mitnick] forwarded mail Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i Sender: owner-mitnick@2600.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mitnick@2600.com X-Comment: To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@2600.com from the address you're subscribed from, with the body "unsubscribe mitnick". >> ::shivers:: And i thought the web hackings were bad, oh yes i can see it now "Criminal Hacker, Kevin Mitnick, supporters threaten the President's life..." to borrow Mr. Goldstein's Line, "Oooohhhh boy" - -AM ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 02:57:07 GMT From: squatex@fdt.net (John Barleycorn) Subject: Re: [mitnick] a damn hoe! On Thu, 15 Oct 1998 18:35:07 -0700 (PDT), "§mökê" shot across phone lines and fiber optic cable worldwide at amazing speeds: >alright don't get me wrong I belive that everybody is alwed to have >there own opion, but win I say this page that complitly lafed and made >fun of kevin mitnick i was pissed. I thought that i would be kind enof >to share my info.Her webpage is >http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Haven/6334/ >& email is >kevin_nobody@hotmail.com HA HA HA HA HA HA !!!!!! Unintelligent belligerent drivel! Reading the page she sounds more like a pissed x girlfriend, than a siteowner upset over her page being hacked! dc.... squatex@fdt.net FREE KEVIN MITNICK NOW! - www.kevinmitnick.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 22:33:38 -0600 From: "Kevin Joubert" Subject: [mitnick] Kevin's possible ban from computers This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01BDF88B.DA73B2C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If Kevin should get banned from using computers for awhile, I wonder if = he could still LOOK at a computer screen if he just didn't touch the = keyboard or mouse. Poulsen can't use a computer but he can write = something by hand and then let someone else type it for his web-zine = thing he does.=20 If Mitnick could get some sort of helper and just tell him everything to = type and what to do, then maybe he still could get started as a computer = security professional.=20 - ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01BDF88B.DA73B2C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
If Kevin should get banned from = using computers=20 for awhile, I wonder if he could still  LOOK at a computer screen = if he=20 just didn't touch the keyboard or mouse.  Poulsen can't use a = computer but=20 he can write something by hand and then let someone else type it for his = web-zine thing he does.
 
If Mitnick could get some sort of = helper and=20 just tell him everything to type and what to do, then maybe he still = could get=20 started as a computer security professional.
 
 
- ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01BDF88B.DA73B2C0-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 04:47:55 +0000 From: Tom Subject: Re: [mitnick] a damn hoe! John Barleycorn wrote: > > On Thu, 15 Oct 1998 18:35:07 -0700 (PDT), "§mökê" > shot across phone lines and fiber optic cable worldwide at amazing > speeds: > > >alright don't get me wrong I belive that everybody is alwed to have > >there own opion, but win I say this page that complitly lafed and made > >fun of kevin mitnick i was pissed. I thought that i would be kind enof > >to share my info.Her webpage is > >http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Haven/6334/ > >& email is > >kevin_nobody@hotmail.com > > HA HA HA HA HA HA !!!!!! > Unintelligent belligerent drivel! > Reading the page she sounds more like a pissed x girlfriend, than a > siteowner upset over her page being hacked! > > dc.... > squatex@fdt.net > > FREE KEVIN MITNICK NOW! - www.kevinmitnick.com I would like to know what makes her believe that "her page being hacked" had anything to do with Mr. Mitnick. I too, suggest we all write her a 'friendly' email setting her straight on the FACTS. I hate ignorance ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 22:14:58 PDT From: "Ori DiGriz" Subject: [mitnick] Public Oppinion (Off topic Preaching) Now, I've introduced a few people to the concept that our government might actually be holding one of their own for an indefinite ammount of time. Nobody seems to believe me at first, but, after a bit of coaxing people begin to at least wonder if i might be right. Now, the problems i always seem to face are one of two things. First off, everyone always thinks they know everything about Kevin Mitnick the Evil Hacker or they know nothing about him whatsoever, among the majority at least. The problem with this is that there are more people out there who don't know the truth than those of us who have stumbled upon one of the various sources of accurate truths. The fliers are a great help, but there has to be some way of getting major attention to Kevin's case. From the way it looks is all of Kevin's supporters (us), are pitted against the world ( a couple billion ignorants), and the only way we're going to be able to get notice to Kevin's case and get the real story out instead of the slander flying about the better the chances are that the people of California, of the united states for that matter, know the more emotional they will be. (Outraged, Shocked in disbelief, Afraid) I have been wronged many a time, not *purposefully* i'm sure, by the state and local governments of California. Mostly because I am a teenager, thus, a rowdy and a slacker who needs discipline, and spelling lessons. Now, the fact that my life is made difficult because I am a teenager brings me to my point. Kevin is portrayed as an evil malicious vile hacker by the press *cough* markoff *cough* and thus he is treated so by the courts. If I had wandered into a couple of companies with a jazz drive and taken a few things i thought were snazzy, how many years would I be in prison? Less than one, the fact that Kevin is being punished for his curiousity and thirst for intelectual challenge is disgraceful, you are told that you should be proud of everything you learn and you should challenge yourself to keep up your talents. Our government preaches life, liberty and the persuit of happiness, they should practice what they preach. _________________________________________________________________ Sorry for using this half assed Free mail service please forgive me... i beg of you!!! _________________________________________________________________ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 22:40:44 -0700 (PDT) From: rOTTEN Subject: Re: [mitnick] Kevin's possible ban from computers On Thu, 15 Oct 1998, Kevin Joubert wrote: > If Kevin should get banned from using computers for awhile, I wonder if > he could still LOOK at a computer screen if he just didn't touch the > keyboard or mouse. I believe that the proposed supervised release restrictions will include a clause that he will not be able to use a computer through a second party. That is, if he sat behind someone and said, "Okay, type in XYZ" that would be a violation and he could get sent back. > Poulsen can't use a computer but he can write > something by hand and then let someone else type it for his web-zine > thing he does. For the first year, Poulsen wasn't allowed to touch a computer. He is now. It has to be free of a modem though, and I think it has to be authorized by his P.O. Additionally, he can't be in possession of a computer with a modem, like if he went into your house and just chilled while you ran out for a snack or something. You'd have to be there, because it is presumed that if you knew he was not allowed to use a computer, you'd make an attempt to stop him. Personally, I'd beat his ass if he reached for my computer...just on G.P. > If Mitnick could get some sort of helper and just tell him everything > to type and what to do, then maybe he still could get started as a > computer security professional. See above. The government doesn't want him to actually DO anything productive, remember? Slan, <..rOTTEN..> nobody move, nobody get hurt error187(1) critical failure - - - - - - To do: 1) Purchase soundtrack from 'Permanent Midnight' 2) Forge in the smithy of my soul the uncreated conscience of my race. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 01:06:38 -0500 From: "poiSiNous" Subject: Re: [mitnick] a damn hoe! I went to this page, and was merely mildly amused. She really should have had more attention grabbing content.. BUT, as you all have said.. publicity is publicity and I am sure any normally functioning human that stumbles across her page will know 1) She is ignorant 2) She is ignorant 3)She is ignorant ~poiSiNous - -----Original Message----- From: §mökê To: mitnick@2600.com Date: Thursday, October 15, 1998 8:52 PM Subject: [mitnick] a damn hoe! >alright don't get me wrong I belive that everybody is alwed to have >there own opion, but win I say this page that complitly lafed and made >fun of kevin mitnick i was pissed. I thought that i would be kind enof >to share my info.Her webpage is >http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Haven/6334/ >& email is >kevin_nobody@hotmail.com > >Sincerly, >§mòkê69 > > >_________________________________________________________ >DO YOU YAHOO!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 08:22:22 GMT From: squatex@fdt.net (John Barleycorn) Subject: Re: [mitnick] a damn hoe! On Fri, 16 Oct 1998 04:47:55 +0000, Tom shot across phone lines and fiber optic cable worldwide at amazing speeds: >John Barleycorn wrote: >> >> On Thu, 15 Oct 1998 18:35:07 -0700 (PDT), "§mökê" >> shot across phone lines and fiber optic cable worldwide at amazing >> speeds: >> >> >alright don't get me wrong I belive that everybody is alwed to have >> >there own opion, but win I say this page that complitly lafed and made >> >fun of kevin mitnick i was pissed. I thought that i would be kind enof >> >to share my info.Her webpage is >> >http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Haven/6334/ >> >& email is >> >kevin_nobody@hotmail.com >> >> HA HA HA HA HA HA !!!!!! >> Unintelligent belligerent drivel! >> Reading the page she sounds more like a pissed x girlfriend, than a >> siteowner upset over her page being hacked! >> >> dc.... >> squatex@fdt.net >> >> FREE KEVIN MITNICK NOW! - www.kevinmitnick.com >I would like to know what makes her believe that "her page being hacked" >had anything to do with Mr. Mitnick. I too, suggest we all write her a >'friendly' email setting her straight on the FACTS. I hate ignorance I did send her mail actually asking for her proof that it was indeed KDM who hacked her page. I will post it here when and if i get a reply. dc.... squatex@fdt.net FREE KEVIN MITNICK NOW! - www.kevinmitnick.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 08:32:52 +0000 From: kerry Subject: [mitnick] Another court document May 20, 1998 court transcript is on kevin's site - http://www.kevinmitnick.com/trans052098.html (fyi, the misspellings, typos, use of "encryptive" instead of "encrypted", etc. is all from the original document) http://www.kevinmitnick.com/trans052098.html#legal_question is a good instance of why this case is so problematic. These people don't understand the computer issues at all; they are using GUNS and NARCOTICS to try to visualize the danger of allowing the defense to possibly use encrypted evidence in their case. It doesn't take a huge amount of imagination to see these people going ahead and trying to convict kevin on the basis of an abstraction like a comparison to guns and narcotics, just because they themselves don't understand the technology. If you care at all how your own future might go down if you're ever accused of hacking crimes, you know we can't let that happen in this case, because it's setting precedents for future cases. To a lot of the people "in charge", there's a big difference between 1.having a gun and 2.shooting someone with the gun; but virtually no difference between 1. having access to a computer, and 2.using a computer to destroy society and people's lives... (I'm not well versed in legal talk, but is this supposed to be a legal joke? http://www.kevinmitnick.com/trans052098.html#severance) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 06:56:03 -0400 (EDT) From: ksandre Subject: Re: [mitnick] Mitnick Merchandise On Thu, 15 Oct 1998, Kevin Joubert wrote: > Ok. Here is the score on the Mitnick stuff: > T-shirts, pens, and pencils are going to be the extent of it and they are > ready to ship now. Check out the previous mentioned webpage at Telephreak's > website for details. (http://members.xoom.com/TelePhreak/merch.html ) > > Coffee mugs and other stuff can be had at http://www.my-mug.com . Keep in > mind however, that NONE of the money you spend at these sites will go to > Kevin Mitnick's defense fund. A substantial amount of what you send me WILL > go to Kevin. Lets not lose sight of what this is for. > Could you post again to this list a price list of _your_ Mitnick-Merch that will actually have money donated to his Defense Fund? (Like an text advertisement or something.) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 07:01:22 -0400 (EDT) From: ksandre Subject: Re: [mitnick] Kevin's possible ban from computers On Thu, 15 Oct 1998, rOTTEN wrote: > On Thu, 15 Oct 1998, Kevin Joubert wrote: > > > If Kevin should get banned from using computers for awhile, I wonder if > > he could still LOOK at a computer screen if he just didn't touch the > > keyboard or mouse. > > I believe that the proposed supervised release restrictions will include a > clause that he will not be able to use a computer through a second party. > That is, if he sat behind someone and said, "Okay, type in XYZ" that would > be a violation and he could get sent back. I'm unclear a bit about those proposed "Release Restictions" in relation to Mitnick. Are they proposed in the event that Kevin M. _does_ get a Pre-Trial Release on Bail or is this what is pending as part of whatever charges for which he might be convicted? Or both? Relating to the possibility that Kevin M. would be unable (as a consequence of conviction) to tell his story in any Public Forum (ie., a book, etc.) outside of the event of the trial: I hope that is NOT imposed! Is there any possibility that it will not? It seems so outrageously unfair that everyone else seems to be able to talk, write and publish about 'The Kevin Mitnick Story,' but the man himself can't and might never be able to (ditto for Poulsen and all the rest who have had that imposed on them). Or is this imposition proposed as a condition of any Pre-Trial Release on Bail. Or both again? Is Poulsen unable now for the rest of his entire life legally prevented from telling his story? Is there any speculation on when Emmanuel et.al. will be able to have that film-in-progress ready to release? Before KM's trial? What, in general, will be the film's general tone and subject (ie., biography, what-hacking-really-is, the-injustice-to-kevin-and/or-arrested-H/Ps-in-general, etc.)? Will distribution be for KDM Defense Fund Raising purposes? Or maybe it's all a surprise and I should just repect Artistic Privacy.... I just have a very strong desire (and hope others do too - but hope they aren't seduced into satisfaction by the MiraMax film, if it turns out to be as innaccurate as the optinions expressed here) to hear the real story. > > > Poulsen can't use a computer but he can write > > something by hand and then let someone else type it for his web-zine > > thing he does. > > For the first year, Poulsen wasn't allowed to touch a computer. He is > now. It has to be free of a modem though, and I think it has to be > authorized by his P.O. Additionally, he can't be in possession of a > computer with a modem, like if he went into your house and just chilled So it _may_ be that Mitnick's restrictions could evolve to that as well? Have there been any H/Ps convicted who remain banned from any computer use after a year? Has anyone gotten back the use of a modem? If so, how long did it take? Poulsen gets it back next year, right? [1999?] Are there further impositions (like being surpervised during its use) imposed once he can use a modem? > See above. The government doesn't want him to actually DO anything > productive, remember? Idiots. 'Throwing out the baby with the bathwater,' they are. How can anyone reconcile that when there are so many periodic Media stories about how the USA has a 'critical shortage of hi-tech skilled people' to fill all the jobs available [someone told me that now only about 60% of the current jobs available can be filled in Country]! NRN. It just infuriates me that Public Schools, Government, and Business can't see the obvious most of the time - they're too busy protecting proprietary interests. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 07:02:02 -0400 (EDT) From: ksandre Subject: Re: [mitnick] Uh, me in the news On Thu, 15 Oct 1998 JAKade@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 10/15/98 4:54:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > ksandre@cyberportal.net writes: > > > The full moon shines on the highway like fresh lacquer on a bench. > > "Colorless green ideas sleep furiously." - Noam Chompsky > > "Must the show go on? > There must be some mistake... I didn't mean to let them take away my soul... > Am I too old? Is it too late? Where has the feeling gone? And will I remember > the song? > The show must go on." > - Must the Show Go On? - Pink Floyd - The Wall - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- GOVERNMENT_ANARCHY is participation by means of manipulation - manipulation raised to an extreme and cruel intensity. The audience is used as material; they are processed. This, of course, is a main part of the point we were trying to make: how the "legal system" uses people as material for its own perpetuation, not in order to "do justice," and how this system is maintained largely by the active, willing collaboration of those who are being processed. - from _ENVIRONMENTAL_THEATRE_ by Richard Schechner - (discussing a T.P.G. participatory event commissioned by the A.C.L.U. in 5/70) - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- F R E E K E V I N ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 06:39:07 -0500 From: "Joe Shambro" Subject: Re: [mitnick] Kevin's possible ban from computers I just think of it this way... If Kevin is a smart person (Which I don't doubt he is), he'll know NOT to do anything illegal. I'm pretty sure that he would know better. They need to know that he has common sense, and isn't about to go hack up a storm elsewhere if he's let out. - -Joe - -----Original Message----- From: ksandre To: mitnick Date: Friday, October 16, 1998 6:31 AM Subject: Re: [mitnick] Kevin's possible ban from computers >On Thu, 15 Oct 1998, rOTTEN wrote: >> On Thu, 15 Oct 1998, Kevin Joubert wrote: >> >> > If Kevin should get banned from using computers for awhile, I wonder if >> > he could still LOOK at a computer screen if he just didn't touch the >> > keyboard or mouse. >> >> I believe that the proposed supervised release restrictions will include a >> clause that he will not be able to use a computer through a second party. >> That is, if he sat behind someone and said, "Okay, type in XYZ" that would >> be a violation and he could get sent back. > > > >I'm unclear a bit about those proposed "Release Restictions" in relation >to Mitnick. Are they proposed in the event that Kevin M. _does_ get a >Pre-Trial Release on Bail or is this what is pending as part of whatever >charges for which he might be convicted? Or both? > >Relating to the possibility that Kevin M. would be unable (as a >consequence of conviction) to tell his story in any Public Forum (ie., a >book, etc.) outside of the event of the trial: I hope that is NOT >imposed! Is there any possibility that it will not? It seems so >outrageously unfair that everyone else seems to be able to talk, write and >publish about 'The Kevin Mitnick Story,' but the man himself can't and >might never be able to (ditto for Poulsen and all the rest who have had >that imposed on them). Or is this imposition proposed as a condition of >any Pre-Trial Release on Bail. Or both again? Is Poulsen unable now for >the rest of his entire life legally prevented from telling his story? > >Is there any speculation on when Emmanuel et.al. will be able to have that >film-in-progress ready to release? Before KM's trial? What, in general, >will be the film's general tone and subject (ie., biography, >what-hacking-really-is, >the-injustice-to-kevin-and/or-arrested-H/Ps-in-general, etc.)? Will >distribution be for KDM Defense Fund Raising purposes? Or maybe it's all >a surprise and I should just repect Artistic Privacy.... I just have a >very strong desire (and hope others do too - but hope they aren't seduced >into satisfaction by the MiraMax film, if it turns out to be as >innaccurate as the optinions expressed here) to hear the real story. > > > >> >> > Poulsen can't use a computer but he can write >> > something by hand and then let someone else type it for his web-zine >> > thing he does. >> >> For the first year, Poulsen wasn't allowed to touch a computer. He is >> now. It has to be free of a modem though, and I think it has to be >> authorized by his P.O. Additionally, he can't be in possession of a >> computer with a modem, like if he went into your house and just chilled > > > >So it _may_ be that Mitnick's restrictions could evolve to that as well? >Have there been any H/Ps convicted who remain banned from any computer use >after a year? Has anyone gotten back the use of a modem? If so, how long >did it take? Poulsen gets it back next year, right? [1999?] Are there >further impositions (like being surpervised during its use) imposed once >he can use a modem? > > >> See above. The government doesn't want him to actually DO anything >> productive, remember? > > > >Idiots. 'Throwing out the baby with the bathwater,' they are. How can >anyone reconcile that when there are so many periodic Media stories about >how the USA has a 'critical shortage of hi-tech skilled people' to fill >all the jobs available [someone told me that now only about 60% of the >current jobs available can be filled in Country]! NRN. It just >infuriates me that Public Schools, Government, and Business can't see the >obvious most of the time - they're too busy protecting proprietary >interests. > > > > > > ------------------------------ End of mitnick-digest V1 #178 *****************************