mitnick-digest Tuesday, October 27 1998 Volume 01 : Number 185 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 11:13:19 EST From: Bobwil623@aol.com Subject: [mitnick] knowledge is power #3 http://omnisite.liberty.org.uk/cacib/artview.php3?currentgroup=3&pid=15&typ e=news more info on the european digital privacy/encryption issue... again, see the 'graphs that begin/end with "!!!!" ============= OFTEL to license encryption services At the International Commerce Exchange on Monday 19th October the Department of Trade and Industry announced its plans for forthcoming controls on encryption services. These will come in a new Millenium Bug and Electronic Commerce Bill, as soon as parliamentary time permits. Warning! Although this affects your basic civil liberties, this is a highly technical area. The government is using the tactic of making matters complicated to avoid criticism. !!!!If you want the one sentence summary it is this: the government hates the thought that it can't read your email and is pressuring business to supply only services which it can spy on.!!!! The government wants a copy of the key to everyone's computer (called key escrow), so they can read your email if they think you might be committing a crime. Ironically this will make you much more liable to hackers and thieves. !!!!The government accepts that they can't force this into law; it is utterly unreasonable and everyone knows the criminals won't obey. So they have a new tactic: apply heavy legal pressure to big businesses to make them force you to hand over your keys. They are deliberately threatening businesses that supply encryption services with huge legal bills if they don't sign up for their scheme.!!!! Technically, the DTI proposals relate to two sets of keys. One set is called signature keys, which say that you signed a message. It is the basis of electronic commerce. A Certificate Authority is a big business that identifies you personally as the owner of a signature key. Verisign is an example of an existing Certificate Authority. The second key set is called your confidentiality keys. This is what you use to keep your email secret. If this is disclosed (or escrowed), your secrets are no longer safe. The proposals say that if the Certificate Authority doesn't get a licence then all contracts you sign online may be challenged in court. They hope that this will make businesses force you to use licensed Certificate Authorities. But if the Certificate Authority does get a licence then for all confidentiality services they offer they must keep a copy of your confidentiality keys, and hand them over to the police when they want them. By this means they hope to ensure that soon everyone is using escrowed confidentiality keys, which they can spy on. [Certain details have been simplified. For technical details of the proposals see related item, top right] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 12:16:05 -0500 From: "zoltan" Subject: Re: [mitnick] My close encounter with Visiting KM, only as a Cellmate... OKOKOKOK, I am not here to start up a flame war hear. I was just stating my views. Now can we get back to the matter at hand? - -z - -----Original Message----- From: Phoenxknt@aol.com To: mitnick@2600.com Date: Tuesday, October 27, 1998 10:47 AM Subject: Re: [mitnick] My close encounter with Visiting KM, only as a Cellmate... >In response to you >A) This is not my only ISP if you could even call it that (And if you notice, >a main person on this list is an AOLer; BadGirlinLa) >B) YOU try being a KID and having adults say you aren't worth shit and you >won't amount to anything, or a teacher on your case because you're not perfect >at writing IGAP (ISAT i believe it is now....for Illinois) persuasive papers >C) I'm a student full time, my family life sucks, social life's non-existent. >And i spell just fine > >-Absolute Matter ><< in response to that, let me tell ya something. you go be an admin. for 12 > hours, and program for another five. then tell me how well you spell, or > really care how you spell. > > ps- at least i am not a lame ass AoL user. lamer > > -z >> > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 11:35:38 -0600 From: "terje" Subject: Re: [mitnick] My close encounter with Visiting KM, only as a Cellmate... all of you just shut up already this fucking pathetic. the last thing i wanna do every morning is read this shite. and incidently the only reason this is on the list is cause there are too many of you for me to waste the time sending private email. terje p.s. don't bother adding to this... > >> Subject: RE: [mitnick] My close encounter with Visiting KM, only as a >> Cellmate... >> >> >> At 12:33 AM 10/27/98 -0500, you wrote: >> >in response to that, let me tell ya somethin. you go be an admin. for 12 >> >hours, and program for another five. then tell me how well you spell, or >> >really care how you spell. >> > >> >ps- at least i am not a lame ass AoL user. lamer >> > >> >-z >> >> >> ok lets cut the "aol sucks" crap NOW before it turns into one >> of those off-topic "discussions" that go on for days. if you >> dislike aol for whatever reason that's your opinion but keep >> it off the list. and just because someone uses aol doesn't make >> them lame. >> >> -zm >> >> > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 11:58:39 -0800 (PST) From: rOTTEN Subject: Re: [mitnick] ZDNET On Tue, 27 Oct 1998, ksandre wrote: > On Mon, 26 Oct 1998, rOTTEN wrote: > > > > They dumbed it down. It originally was a funnier piece. > > What was posted here wasn't the whole article. (I am posting the whole > version next because it's worth it. It's a pretty decent compromise and > informative to the uninitiated - I'd like to see more links within the > article that give more examples and history and technical innovation > stories. AllInAll, it would be a nice starting place for an entire WEB > Page dedicated to catalysing that impulse and urge to innovation.) > > As I said above - it's a decent compromise. > Given his situation, he can't seem too pro-H/P either. > (I'd still like to see more referrals to history - especially pointers to > invovation and solutions invented from H/P walkabouts....) I know that I'm biased in saying this, but my friendship with Poulsen doesn't really influence my opinion. The purpose of the article was to give PARENTS an idea on what to do. The nature of the argument can be compared to teenage drug use. If your kid uses drugs, what do all the experts tell you to do with them? Sit down and talk to them. You can't fight them, you can't ban their computer use, you can't kick them out of the house. There is no clear cut solution for problems with teenagers, no matter WHAT the problem. The best that you can advise parents to do is talk and develop interest in what their kids do, etc. The end. <..rOTTEN..> nobody move, nobody get hurt error187(1) critical failure - - - - - - To do: 1) Update my "To do" list. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 12:00:53 -0800 (PST) From: rOTTEN Subject: Re: [mitnick] My close encounter with Visiting KM, only as a Cellmate... On Tue, 27 Oct 1998 Phoenxknt@aol.com wrote: > In response to you > A) This is not my only ISP if you could even call it that (And if you notice, > a main person on this list is an AOLer; BadGirlinLa) Yeah, and she's got about 20 other accounts too. <..rOTTEN..> nobody move, nobody get hurt error187(1) critical failure - - - - - - To do: 1) Update my "To do" list. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 15:07:31 -0500 From: Kenneth Lo Subject: [mitnick] hacked site http://www.humanrights-china.org/ Just been hacked. reader posts on Slashdot mentioned that Kevin's name is on the hacked page. I couldn't verify it because the page couldn't load fully due to lag (I think). 2600 site has an pointer already. what is funny is that I know that site is just been setup (for less than 2 weeks I think), it is supposely a Chinese-government-controlled mouth-piece site. That main purpose for it is to show the western countries (esp. to US) that they're promoting "human-right", too. Oh well... - -- klops ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 16:26:39 -0500 From: "zoltan" Subject: Re: [mitnick] hacked site thanks for reporting that so quick man, site looks good. 2600 already has it on there site. The site is still hacked though, the Admin has no clue! - -z - -----Original Message----- From: Kenneth Lo To: mitnick@2600.com Date: Tuesday, October 27, 1998 3:52 PM Subject: [mitnick] hacked site >http://www.humanrights-china.org/ > >Just been hacked. reader posts on Slashdot mentioned that Kevin's name >is on the hacked page. I couldn't verify it because the page couldn't >load fully due to lag (I think). >2600 site has an pointer already. > >what is funny is that I know that site is just been setup (for less than >2 weeks I think), it is supposely a Chinese-government-controlled >mouth-piece site. That main purpose for it is to show the western >countries (esp. to US) that they're promoting "human-right", too. > >Oh well... > >-- klops > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 17:06:32 -0500 (EST) From: ksandre Subject: Re: [mitnick] ZDNET On Tue, 27 Oct 1998, rOTTEN wrote: > On Tue, 27 Oct 1998, ksandre wrote: > > > > What was posted here wasn't the whole article. (I am posting the whole > > version next because it's worth it. It's a pretty decent compromise and > > informative to the uninitiated - I'd like to see more links within the > > I know that I'm biased in saying this, but my friendship with Poulsen > doesn't really influence my opinion. > > The purpose of the article was to give PARENTS an idea on what to do. Yes, it seemed effectively to give information that might quell some parents' fears - that's why I said I'd like to see more links to other resources and information and history (for the good of The Generality). > > The nature of the argument can be compared to teenage drug use. If your > kid uses drugs, what do all the experts tell you to do with them? Sit > down and talk to them. You can't fight them, you can't ban their computer > use, you can't kick them out of the house. Yes, I recognised the format (it was the same with TV & 'stranger danger' & WEB Porn, etc.). > > There is no clear cut solution for problems with teenagers, no matter WHAT > the problem. > > The best that you can advise parents to do is talk and develop interest in > what their kids do, etc. > The compromise to which I referred was one I ass/u/me/d to be made by Poulsen when writing the article - not one of an absolute method of 'how to deal with teenagers' [everyone should know that is as unique as each person]. > The end. 'Willing suspension of disbelief....' ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 17:14:17 EST From: Bobwil623@aol.com Subject: [mitnick] interesting post from newsgroups in 1995.... found the following while researching the case... .just fyi to the list. a polite query to mr. fisher inquiring how mr. fisher knew the details about kevin mitnick's "nature" and "regard for society" with such confidence might be instructive for us all. >>>DO NOT FLAME MR. FISHER UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES -- any such action reflects badly >>>on the very person we're trying to support. ========================================= >From fisher@chr27 Wed Feb 22 17:25:23 EST 1995 Article: 41014 of alt.2600 Path: caen!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newshost.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!olive a!decwrl!pa.dec.com!nntpd2.cxo.dec.com!chr27!fisher From: fisher@chr27 (Lawrence W. Fisher) Newsgroups: comp.org.decus,comp.security.misc,alt.2600 Subject: Re: Kevin Mitnick arrest Date: 21 Feb 95 13:04:38 GMT Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Lines: 91 Distribution: world Message-ID: <1995Feb21.130438@chr27> References: <8A3D33F.0406000764.uuout@compudata.com> <1995Feb21.125124@chr27> NNTP-Posting-Host: chr27 Xref: caen comp.org.decus:6853 comp.security.misc:15208 alt.2600:41014 > Many people have been debating whether or not the things > Kevin has done merit such a stern sentence. People have to > look past this latest incident, to the full pattern of how > Kevin works, his vindictive nature, and his disregard for > society, to see why this individual needs to be kept away > from society for our own and his own protection. > > Here is an article from a previous arrest, from several > years ago. It gives some specifics about Kevin that the > media has failed to pick up in this latest arrest:... > > ......[Los Angeles Times article, dated Friday, December 16, > > 1988] > > > > Ex-Computer "Whiz Kid" Held on New Fraud Counts > > > > By Kim Murphy, Times Staff Writer > > > > Kevin Mitnick was 17 when he first cracked Pacific Bell's > > computer system, secretly channeling his computer through > > a pay phone in a San Fernando Valley parking lot to alter > > telephone bills, penetrate other computers, and steal > > $200,000 worth of data from a San Francisco corporation. > > > > A Juvenile Court judge at the time sentenced Mitnick to > > six months in a youth facility, and he was released on > > probation after serving his sentence. Suddenly, his > > probation officer found that her phone had been > > disconnected and the phone company had no record of it. > > > > A judges credit record at TRW Inc. was inexplicably > > altered. Police computer files on the case were accressed > > from outside. A new warrant for Mitnick's arrest was > > issued, accusing him of breaking into TRW's computer, but > > he fled to Isreal. > > > > Upon his return, there were new charges filed in Santa > > Cruz, accusing Mitnick of stealing software under > > development by Microport Systems, and federal prosecuters > > have a judgment showing Mitnick was convicted on the > > charge. There is, however, no record of the conviction in > > Santa Cruz's computer files. > > > > On Thursday, Mitick, now 25, was charged in two new > > crimpinal complaints accusing him of causing $4 million > > damage to a Digital Equipment Corp. computer, stealing a > > highly secret computer security system and gaining access > > to unauthorized MCI long-distance codes through university > > computers in Los Angeles and England. > > > > U.S. Magistrate Venetta Tassopulos took the unusual step > > of ordering the young Panorama City computer whiz held > > without bail, ruling that when armed with a keyboard he > > posed a danger to the community. > > > > "This thing is so massive, we're just running around > > trying to figure out what he did," said Assistant U.S. > > Atty. Leon Weidman, who is prosecuting the case. "This > > person, we believe, is very, very dangerous, and he needs > > to be detained and kept away from a computer." > > > > Investigators from the FBI, the Los Angeles County > > district attorney's office and the Los Angelese Police > > Department say they are only now beginning to put together > > a picture of Mitnick and his alleged high-tech escapades. > > > > "He's several levels above what you would characterize as > > a computer hacker." said Detective James K. Black, head of > > the Police Department's computer crime unit. "He started > > out with a real driving curiosity for computers that went > > beyond personal computers . . . He grew with the > > technology." > > > > Mitnick's lawyer, Anthony J. Patti, said he would have no > > comment on the case pending Mitnick's arraignment on two > > counts of computer fraud. The case is believed to be the > > first in the nation under a federal law that makes it a > > crime to gain access to an interstate computer network for > > criminal purposes. > > > > He faces a maximum of 20 years in prison and a $500,000 > > fine. > > > > Federal prosecuters also obtained a court order Thursday > > restricting Mitnick's telephone calls from jail, fearing > > he might gain access to a computer over the phone lines. > > At Mitnick's request, Tassopulos authorized him to > > telephone his lawyer, his wife, his mother and his > > grandmother under jail officials supervision. > > > > Los Angeles police are trying to determine what other > > damage Mitnick may have done with his computer terminal, > > Black said. > > > > [End of Los Angeles Times article, dated Friday, December > > 16, 1988]... - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- - -- Lawrence Fisher Realtime Software Consultant Fisher@LASCPM.ENET.DEC.COM Digital Equipment Corporation Southern California -- From the desert to the sea, helping meet Digital's Realtime needs -- * This message reflects my own views/opinions, not those of my company * - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- - -- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 18:08:18 -0500 From: kerry Subject: Re: [mitnick] interesting post from newsgroups in 1995.... Has anybody kept track of the myths and lies that have been printed as fact throughout this case? I would like to have an article on Kevin's site with a list of them and some commentary, because in emails people have sent to the site, I'm still getting a lot of "didn't he steal credit card numbers..?" Anybody want to help write this up for the site? It should include references to some of the published articles that have already addressed the media untruths (Doug Thomas', i think... and a couple others linked from news.html on the KM site). Email me if you can help... Unbelievably, what the media says, truth or not, is often accepted by everybody. They never bothered to check their facts, or they would have found that Kevin had never been out of the US at the very _least_... And though the altering of credit reports and phone service was pure blatant speculation (and a large degree of paranoia), they print that stuff as though he did it. I saw that tv show "The Net" the other night for the first time, and amusingly, they had this hacker calling the newspaper with an anonymous tip about an online porn ring, and the next scene is the FBI arresting the people the anonymous caller was accusing (though the accusation was false). Most people probably think that couldn't actually happen, but the root cause of the insane paranoia about kevin mitnick is stories like the one this person posted. On the show, the newspaper freaked out and printed a retraction - which I doubt you'd ever see the NY Times do, after all the crap they've printed on this case. kerry At 05:14 PM 10/27/98 EST, you wrote: > >found the following while researching the case... .just fyi to the list. >a polite query to mr. fisher inquiring how mr. fisher knew the details >about kevin mitnick's "nature" and "regard for society" with such >confidence might be instructive for us all. > >>>>DO NOT FLAME MR. FISHER UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES -- any such action reflects >badly >>>>on the very person we're trying to support. > >========================================= > >>From fisher@chr27 Wed Feb 22 17:25:23 EST 1995 >Article: 41014 of alt.2600 >Path: >caen!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newshost.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!olive >a!decwrl!pa.dec.com!nntpd2.cxo.dec.com!chr27!fisher >From: fisher@chr27 (Lawrence W. Fisher) >Newsgroups: comp.org.decus,comp.security.misc,alt.2600 >Subject: Re: Kevin Mitnick arrest >Date: 21 Feb 95 13:04:38 GMT >Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation >Lines: 91 >Distribution: world >Message-ID: <1995Feb21.130438@chr27> >References: <8A3D33F.0406000764.uuout@compudata.com> ><1995Feb21.125124@chr27> >NNTP-Posting-Host: chr27 >Xref: caen comp.org.decus:6853 comp.security.misc:15208 alt.2600:41014 > >> Many people have been debating whether or not the things >> Kevin has done merit such a stern sentence. People have to >> look past this latest incident, to the full pattern of how >> Kevin works, his vindictive nature, and his disregard for >> society, to see why this individual needs to be kept away >> from society for our own and his own protection. >> >> Here is an article from a previous arrest, from several >> years ago. It gives some specifics about Kevin that the >> media has failed to pick up in this latest arrest:... > > >> > ......[Los Angeles Times article, dated Friday, December 16, >> > 1988] >> > >> > Ex-Computer "Whiz Kid" Held on New Fraud Counts >> > >> > By Kim Murphy, Times Staff Writer >> > >> > Kevin Mitnick was 17 when he first cracked Pacific Bell's >> > computer system, secretly channeling his computer through >> > a pay phone in a San Fernando Valley parking lot to alter >> > telephone bills, penetrate other computers, and steal >> > $200,000 worth of data from a San Francisco corporation. >> > >> > A Juvenile Court judge at the time sentenced Mitnick to >> > six months in a youth facility, and he was released on >> > probation after serving his sentence. Suddenly, his >> > probation officer found that her phone had been >> > disconnected and the phone company had no record of it. >> > >> > A judges credit record at TRW Inc. was inexplicably >> > altered. Police computer files on the case were accressed >> > from outside. A new warrant for Mitnick's arrest was >> > issued, accusing him of breaking into TRW's computer, but >> > he fled to Isreal. >> > >> > Upon his return, there were new charges filed in Santa >> > Cruz, accusing Mitnick of stealing software under >> > development by Microport Systems, and federal prosecuters >> > have a judgment showing Mitnick was convicted on the >> > charge. There is, however, no record of the conviction in >> > Santa Cruz's computer files. >> > >> > On Thursday, Mitick, now 25, was charged in two new >> > crimpinal complaints accusing him of causing $4 million >> > damage to a Digital Equipment Corp. computer, stealing a >> > highly secret computer security system and gaining access >> > to unauthorized MCI long-distance codes through university >> > computers in Los Angeles and England. >> > >> > U.S. Magistrate Venetta Tassopulos took the unusual step >> > of ordering the young Panorama City computer whiz held >> > without bail, ruling that when armed with a keyboard he >> > posed a danger to the community. >> > >> > "This thing is so massive, we're just running around >> > trying to figure out what he did," said Assistant U.S. >> > Atty. Leon Weidman, who is prosecuting the case. "This >> > person, we believe, is very, very dangerous, and he needs >> > to be detained and kept away from a computer." >> > >> > Investigators from the FBI, the Los Angeles County >> > district attorney's office and the Los Angelese Police >> > Department say they are only now beginning to put together >> > a picture of Mitnick and his alleged high-tech escapades. >> > >> > "He's several levels above what you would characterize as >> > a computer hacker." said Detective James K. Black, head of >> > the Police Department's computer crime unit. "He started >> > out with a real driving curiosity for computers that went >> > beyond personal computers . . . He grew with the >> > technology." >> > >> > Mitnick's lawyer, Anthony J. Patti, said he would have no >> > comment on the case pending Mitnick's arraignment on two >> > counts of computer fraud. The case is believed to be the >> > first in the nation under a federal law that makes it a >> > crime to gain access to an interstate computer network for >> > criminal purposes. >> > >> > He faces a maximum of 20 years in prison and a $500,000 >> > fine. >> > >> > Federal prosecuters also obtained a court order Thursday >> > restricting Mitnick's telephone calls from jail, fearing >> > he might gain access to a computer over the phone lines. >> > At Mitnick's request, Tassopulos authorized him to >> > telephone his lawyer, his wife, his mother and his >> > grandmother under jail officials supervision. >> > >> > Los Angeles police are trying to determine what other >> > damage Mitnick may have done with his computer terminal, >> > Black said. >> > >> > [End of Los Angeles Times article, dated Friday, December >> > 16, 1988]... > >-- >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-- >Lawrence Fisher Realtime Software Consultant >Fisher@LASCPM.ENET.DEC.COM Digital Equipment Corporation > Southern California > -- From the desert to the sea, helping meet Digital's Realtime needs -- >* This message reflects my own views/opinions, not those of my company > * >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-- > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 15:26:09 PST From: "TelePhreak ." Subject: Re: [mitnick] hacked site yea, i know it was up on antionline this morning at about 9:00am - - - - - - - - ->Phone Rangers<- - - - - - - - - - - F -TelePhreak R Email: AcidHak@Hotmail.com E mIRC: TelePhrk E ICQ: 10886438 K Aol Instant Messanger: TelePhrk 0 E NPA: 908 (NJ) V http://phonerangers.home.ml.org/ I - - - - - - - - ->Phone Rangers<- - - - - - - - - - - N ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 18:41:21 -0500 From: kerry Subject: [mitnick] media hype ridicule Did you guys ever see this? It's kind of old, and erroneous about Kevin Mitnick "breach(ing) the security of innumerable Internet sites" but it's not meant to be serious. Some people do recognize media hype for what it is. http://www.rageboy.com/markoff.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 06:07:57 -0600 From: Zach Miller Subject: Re: [mitnick] hacked site a link to the website would have been nice Kenneth Lo wrote: > > http://www.humanrights-china.org/ > > Just been hacked. reader posts on Slashdot mentioned that Kevin's name > is on the hacked page. I couldn't verify it because the page couldn't > load fully due to lag (I think). > 2600 site has an pointer already. > > what is funny is that I know that site is just been setup (for less than > 2 weeks I think), it is supposely a Chinese-government-controlled > mouth-piece site. That main purpose for it is to show the western > countries (esp. to US) that they're promoting "human-right", too. > > Oh well... > > -- klops ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 17:32:36 -0700 (MST) From: Andy Goodwin Subject: Re: [mitnick] hacked site JESUS! Do you need that big of a sig line? _\|/_ Andy Goodwin (andyg@unf.net) ICQ: 176380 United Networking Foundation EFNet: PdM On Tue, 27 Oct 1998, TelePhreak . wrote: > yea, i know it was up on antionline this morning at about 9:00am > > - - - - - - - - ->Phone Rangers<- - - - - - - - - - - F > -TelePhreak R > Email: AcidHak@Hotmail.com E > mIRC: TelePhrk E > ICQ: 10886438 K > Aol Instant Messanger: TelePhrk 0 E > NPA: 908 (NJ) V > http://phonerangers.home.ml.org/ I > - - - - - - - - ->Phone Rangers<- - - - - - - - - - - N > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 20:47:44 -0500 From: Mike Blaguszewski Subject: Re: [mitnick] hacked site The 2600 mirror is , although the original was up pretty much all day. Mike Blaguszewski On 10/28/98 at 6:07 AM, Zach Miller wrote: > a link to the website would have been nice > > Kenneth Lo wrote: > > > > http://www.humanrights-china.org/ > > > > Just been hacked. reader posts on Slashdot mentioned that Kevin's name > > is on the hacked page. I couldn't verify it because the page couldn't > > load fully due to lag (I think). > > 2600 site has an pointer already. > > > > what is funny is that I know that site is just been setup (for less than > > 2 weeks I think), it is supposely a Chinese-government-controlled > > mouth-piece site. That main purpose for it is to show the western > > countries (esp. to US) that they're promoting "human-right", too. > > > > Oh well... > > > > -- klops ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 08:20:35 -0600 From: Zach Miller Subject: Re: [mitnick] interesting post from newsgroups in 1995.... kerry wrote: > > Has anybody kept track of the myths and lies that have been printed as fact > throughout this case? I would like to have an article on Kevin's site with > a list of them and some commentary, because in emails people have sent to > the site, I'm still getting a lot of "didn't he steal credit card numbers..?" it would also be helpful to put what he *didn't* do on flyers to be passed out...I get a lot of "Didn't he...?" stuff when I distribute flyers ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 18:13:50 PST From: "Bob Crain" Subject: [mitnick] merchandise How do I purchase Kevin hats or shirts? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 18:18:13 -0800 (PST) From: rOTTEN Subject: [mitnick] Kudos - SEMI off-topic Kudos to whomever placed the FREE KEVIN sticker on the stop sign at the Federal building's Veteran Av entrance in L.A. A couple of people that I know have seen it and they think it was me. I quickly dispel that belief. Enough. Back to work. <..rOTTEN..> nobody move, nobody get hurt error187(1) critical failure - - - - - - To do: 1) Update my "To do" list. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 21:28:02 EST From: RichardB3@aol.com Subject: [mitnick] a quick ? (off-subject) HI....it is on udp when i do a port scan i have run in to port 23 with udp and i cant log in to it with my telnet program can you tell me how i can log in to a udp telnet????????? thanx and im sorry to ask here but know one elss would know........ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 08:35:43 -0600 From: Zach Miller Subject: kind of off topic [mitnick] hey. for anyone who would be interested to try this, i created a listbot mailing list for discussions on this one that go off-topic and we want to keep off the main list, but still would like to discuss. to subscribe goto http://km_offtopic.listbot.com/ . if this works, cool, if it doesn't, oh well... - -zm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 21:41:09 EST From: Phoenxknt@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] a quick ? (off-subject) Try Alt.hacking ; We'll go off topic for everything except hacking tutorials....Email me privately and maybe I could help. In a message dated 98-10-27 21:30:49 EST, you write: << HI....it is on udp when i do a port scan i have run in to port 23 with udp and i cant log in to it with my telnet program can you tell me how i can log in to a udp telnet????????? thanx and im sorry to ask here but know one elss would know........ >> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 21:44:40 -0500 (EST) From: "Aaron D. Ball" Subject: Re: [mitnick] a quick ? (off-subject) On Tue, 27 Oct 1998 RichardB3@aol.com wrote: % HI....it is on udp when i do a port scan i have run in to port 23 with udp % and i cant log in to it with my telnet program can you tell me how i can log % in to a udp telnet????????? % thanx and im sorry to ask here but know one elss would know........ No. This is not the place to ask. alt.2600 is significantly closer to the place to ask, but *please* just RTFRFC instead. Or search the web. Or learn Perl. Or whatever. But DO NOT put this stuff on the list. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 23:24:27 EST From: Bobwil623@aol.com Subject: [mitnick] read it. print it. sign it. mail it. 32 cents. Professor Peter M. Phillips 1801 E. Cotati Avenue Rohnert Park, CA 94928-3609 October 27, 1998 Professor Phillips: Congratulations on an incredible program: Project Censored . Thank you for your efforts. On a related matter: I've recently been researching the case of Kevin David Mitnick. In brief, Mr. Mitnick stands accused by the government of copyright infringement, for which the government alleges damages in amounts ranging from $5 million to $10 million. To the best of this writer's knowledge, all companies alleging the copyright infringements cited by the government have failed to file the federal documentation required in cases involving substantial financial losses, implying that those allegations of loss are exaggerated, arbitrary, or nonexistent. Background ========== You may have heard of Mr. Mitnick's case as a result of some extraordinarily flawed reports published by the New York Times, under the byline of a man named John Markoff. In a sequence of three or four articles published by the Times on page 1, Mr. Markoff reported on allegations against Mr. Mitnick as fact, and cited as support the statements of a man with whom he (Markoff) had an existing personal and professional relationship without identifying the existence of their relationship. As you might expect, the law enforcement attention brought to bear on Mr. Mitnick by such high profile articles in the Times was extraordinary, and he was arrested in February 1995 in North Carolina. The Times published another article by Mr. Markoff, again on page 1, that gave Mr. Markoff's version of Mr. Mitnick's arrest, and subsequent reports have documented that many of the events in that article were fictionalized or distorted. Why is this a Project Censored topic? ============================= At first glance, the vilification of Mr. Mitnick -- who has been imprisoned continuously for nearly 4 years without having a bail hearing - -- might seem to be a personal matter undeserving of Project Censored. Upon closer examination, we note the following circumstances, facts, and events: Eight Months in Solitary Confinement =============================== oSoon after his arrest, Mr. Mitnick was remanded to solitary confinement for eight months for alleged violations of prison rules -- this punishment has been used by the government in justifying the severity of the conditions of Mr. Mitnick's current incarceration oMr. Mitnick has never been accused of violent behavior, and has never been accused of attempting to profit from his activities; indeed, the government has claimed that his lack of interest in profiting from his actions makes Mr. Mitnick more dangerous, not less Allegations of Violations of Journalistic Ethics ===================================== oMr. Markoff's articles had the direct effect of earning him a $700,000 book contract ("Takedown") , and said book was purchased by Miramax films oMr. Markoff's existing personal and professional relationship with the other protagonist in the articles (Tsutomo Shimomura) was unacknowledged in the series of articles. oMr. Shimomura received financial compensation from the book ("Takedown") and the purchase of the screen rights by Miramax (the film has the same title, "Takedown") oThe Nation magazine wrote a fairly scathing critique of Mr. Markoff's reporting (or lack of reporting) on this issue, and quoted Mr. Markoff's then-editor as saying he "might do some things differently in light of the things we know now" -- no other media enterprise has examined Mr. Markoff's apparent violations of journalistic ethics, and he has become a millionaire by disparaging Mr. Mitnick's name and reputation oDistortions printed in the initial series of the Times' articles have achieved a life of their own, and are routinely repeated as fact in current reporting by national media organizations like CNN, Associated Press, and the Los Angeles Times oLibelous statements by the media (actionable under federal and state statute) are beyond Mr. Mitnick's ability to litigate due to his continued incarceration without bail or bail hearing, and due to his resultant indigent status Constitutional Guarantees Ignored - Bail Hearing Denied ============================================== oFederal District Court Judge Marianna Pfaelzer has refused to grant a bail hearing despite repeated requests by counsel to Mr. Mitnick and constitutional guarantees requiring the provision of bail as a condition to induce defendants to appear in court oUpon appeal to Justice Sandra Day O'Connor, Mr. Mitnick's Emergency Application for Bail Hearing was denied within hours of submittal, and without comment oUpon resubmittal to Justice John Paul Stevens, who deemed the petition serious enough for consideration by the full Court, the Supreme Court again denied the Emergency Application for Bail Hearing; their cited rationale -- that Mr. Mitnick was both a flight risk and a danger to society -- apparently missed the point that Mr. Mitnick was petitioning only for a bail hearing, and not for release on bail oThe government has provided no rationale for refusing to hold a bail hearing oTheodore Kazcysinski (the "Unabomber" case) and Timothy McVeigh (convicted Oklahoma City bomber) both received bail hearings promptly (with bail denied) Constitutional Guarantees Ignored - Discovery Denied ============================================== Most of the evidence gathered by the government against Mr. Mitnick is stored on digital media, and a computer would be required to review the evidence if it were not printed out: oDespite repeated requests by counsel, Judge Pfaelzer has stated flatly - -- and repeatedly -- that she will not provide computer access to Mr. Mitnick to assist in his defense under any circumstances (recent court decisions may have changed this fact; nonetheless, the delay in discovery has created irrepairable harm to defendant's case) oDespite the severity of the charges against Mr. Mitnick, Judge Pfaelzer has delayed or questioned payment of counsel's invoices for legal services and expert witness support services, again creating irrepairable harm to defendant's case during discovery oAs a result of governmental obstruction, Mr. Mitnick currently has no expert witnesses working on his case, and expectations are that the case will go to trial in April 1999 -- less than 6 months away. Governmental Agenda and Kevin David Mitnick as "Scapegoat" =================================================== oFBI Director Louis Freeh has been strongly outspoken on the "need" for the government to be able to surveil all digital information transactions surreptitiously oMr. Mitnick's case, and the unproven allegations against him, are frequently cited by media reports and government officials as justification for governmental surveillance of digital transactions without warrant or court review and control Summary ======== Allegations against Mr. Mitnick, if proven, have never received longer incarceration sentences than the time served by Mr. Mitnick (time served without being granted a bail hearing, and in violation of constitutional guarantees). Law enforcement agencies within the U.S. have a vested interest in vilifying Mr. Mitnick in an area incomprehensible to the vast majority of the voting public, and have been given enormous assistance by reports printed in the New York Times that arguably violate prevailing journalistic ethics. The lead "reporter" (I use the word loosely) for the articles about Mr. Mitnick became a millionaire by virtue of distorted, apparently false statements published by his employer, the New York Times. Mr. Mitnick has been held without a bail hearing, and in violation of constitutional guarantees, longer than any other prisoner in the U.S. prison system, to the best of this writer's knowledge. This case deserves wide consideration in light of the serious legal, constitutional, and commercial issues involved. Your help in publicizing this case would be enormously helpful. Additional information may be found at http://www.kevinmitnick.com; several transcripts of hearings held before Judge Pfaelzer on this matter may be found there as well. Thanks in advance, ------------------------------ End of mitnick-digest V1 #185 *****************************