- -- Dan Sissman, amateur triviaphile Free Kevin Mitnick! http://www.albany.net/~dsissman http://www.kevinmitnick.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 21:24:11 -0500 From: The Finder Subject: [mitnick] unsubscribe unsubscribe ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 19:00:42 -0800 From: Internet for All Customer Service Subject: Re: [mitnick] unsubscribe You might want to send that to Majordomo@2600.com instead of mitnick@2600.com The Finder wrote: > > unsubscribe ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 21:55:52 -0400 From: che guevara Subject: Re: [mitnick] unsubscribe read the headers or your welcome message: send you subscribe message to majordomo@2600.com The Finder wrote: > unsubscribe - -- che guevara "I know you've come to kill me. Shoot, coward, you're only going to kill a man" [Che Guevara] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 22:00:00 EST From: Bobwil623@aol.com Subject: [mitnick] "...the U. S. Secret Service's history of involvement with hackers..." http://www.gse.ucla.edu/iclp/bfox.html go to the link shown to see an interesting article entitled, "HACKERS AND THE U.S. SECRET SERVICE" by Benjamin J. Fox, May 1997. begins like so: > I. Introduction: > > Within the realm of age old power struggles, none is so > familiar as the struggle between youth striving to carve > out their own spheres of influence in society, and their > elders invariably entrenched in defense of the > establishment. From the time of Socrates, rapidly changing > culture has led older generations to believe that their > youth are misguided and in crisis.(1) In more recent > times, youth movements such as "punk" and anarchistic > subcultures may tend to prove them right.(2) As we enter > the 21st century, social commentators predict a > technological revolution "unlike any in history," where > the proliferation of computers will permeate virtually > every aspect of human interaction.(3) If we are truly at > the dawn of the Information Age, then the next great > struggle between new and old, between rebellious youth and > authority, may take place in cyberspace. > > This paper is about a new era of youth rebellion. > Specifically, it is about "hackers" and efforts of the > United States Secret Service to monitor and control their > access to information. As discussed in greater detail > within, wide disagreement exists concerning what > constitutes a hacker. Generally, a hacker is one who seeks > to obtain unauthorized access to computer systems.(4) The > crux of the dispute arises over what motivates the true > hacker; benign curiosity or more malevolent ends. If the > hackers' goal is to gain the technological know-how to > "effectively cripple the economy or shut down > communications systems the world over," then indeed > "cyberpunks hold the potential for becoming the most > powerful subcultural force ever."(5) Fear of hackers' > potential or asserted powers have undoubtedly fueled > recent law enforcement crackdowns on hackers and the > hacker subculture, while mainstream journalists contribute > to the milieu by submitting headlines such as "Go Ahead, > Be Paranoid: Hackers Are Out to Get You."(6) > > A new era of virtual cops and robbers involving U.S. > Secret Service agents is intriguing today, in part, > because the federal government has been forced to expand > the police powers of its Treasury Department as quickly as > hackers have jumped to the forefront of journalistic > fancy.(7) Intertwined with the expanded police powers of > the Secret Service is a backlash from hackers and > "computer enthusiasts"(8) alike, who question both the > practices and goals of law enforcement. While a look at > computer "criminals" is interesting in itself, of equal > interest here may be an examination of protections > afforded those who seek to disseminate controversial > information relating to hacking. Within this essay, I will > look briefly into the U. S. Secret Service's history of > involvement with hackers, the practices employed by Secret > Service agents to monitor and dissuade hacker activities, > and some of the ways in which advocates of the free > dissemination of "hacker" information have sought to > challenge Secret Service enforcement practices. Following, > this paper will question the implications of disputed > hacker activities, and whether computer enthusiasts who > self-define as hackers subscribe to a hacker ethic that > would minimize societal concern over unauthorized > intrusions into computer systems. and so on.... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 23:18:36 -0500 From: "Bachrach" Subject: Re: [mitnick] Cracking for Kevin - ----------------------------------- | are you helping distributed.net to crack RC-5 64 encryption? you should be. | are you on distributed.net and on team #39, cracking for kevin? you should be. - ----------------------------------- - -----Original Message----- From: Sacrosantx@aol.com To: mitnick@2600.com Date: Friday, November 13, 1998 1:28 AM Subject: Re: [mitnick] Cracking for Kevin >I noticed the "cracking for kevin" page is either down or not there? >http://www.paranoid.org/mitnick/ works for me. Maybe it's just a temporary fluke or something. (or a problem with AOL - you never know with them). >Maybe its just me... but whoever is leader of the team please e-mail me... That would be mitnick@paranoid.org - but if you have some other general question someone else may be able to answer it. BTW - the rc5 got their stats server back online and during the 'blackout' we moved up to 235 overall and still climbing! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 00:06:23 -0600 From: "jackdarippa" Subject: Re: [mitnick] Iron-Ons I wasn't talking to you, i was talking about the telephreak, it was a joke about the guy who asked if by iron on we meant using a soldering iron. jackdarippa - -----Original Message----- From: kenneth sooyna To: mitnick@2600.com Date: Saturday, November 14, 1998 3:13 PM Subject: Re: [mitnick] Iron-Ons >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > > >i think i gonna be sorry i asked if this is the only type of >response i get. i _was_ hoping for a 'yes i can make them' or >a 'no, but i'm gonna soon' > > >>From: "jackdarippa" >>To: >>Subject: Re: [mitnick] Iron-Ons >>Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 12:30:16 -0600 >>Reply-To: mitnick@2600.com >> >>hehe, no need to get sassy. We're not here to argue about iron-on >patches. >> >>jackdarippa >>-----Original Message----- >>From: TelePhreak . >>To: mitnick@2600.com >>Date: Saturday, November 14, 1998 10:11 AM >>Subject: [mitnick] Iron-Ons >> >> >>>god, i am amazed at the amount of people who dont know what iron ons > >>>are. all they are, are these pieces of paper with something written >>>backwards on it. Then you put it on the shirt and with an iron (for >>>ironing clothes) to go over it a couple times, let it cool, then >pull of >>>the paper part and the image is left on the shirt. >>>the guy who asked if it was a soldering iron was just being an >idiot, >>>i've been watching his posts and all of them were asking stupid >>>questions or something like that, he's just a smart ass. >>> >>>- - - - - - - - ->Phone Rangers<- - - - - - - - - - - F >>> -TelePhreak R >>> Email: AcidHak@Hotmail.com E >>> mIRC: TelePhrk E >>> ICQ: 10886438 K >>> Aol Instant Messanger: TelePhrk 0 E >>> NPA: 908 (NJ) V >>> http://phonerangers.home.ml.org/ I >>> http://welcome.to/phonerangers N >>>- - - - - - - - ->Phone Rangers<- - - - - - - - - - - >>> >>> >>>______________________________________________________ >>>Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >>> >> > >- - >http://listen.to/duz >icq: 19173887 >latest tinfoil release: november 5, 1998 >tinfoil, the anti-saran wrap > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 >Charset: noconv > >iQA/AwUBNk3otOQ86hTv+ShHEQLQeACfbL2sFm/ykAbr0Ru+taaatFSFAMAAn2+j >YCTpBFEKDauOllhsi5FR0Q/k >=UJ2c >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 22:22:15 PST From: "kenneth sooyna" Subject: [mitnick] suggestion, idea, whatever - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 has anyone started an archive of manipulated logos that say stuff like free kevin and such not? has made any logos that have been changed to say free kevin? if you don't know what i'm talking about look in the r00t archives at their logos page. just a suggestion. - - - http://listen.to/duz icq:19173887 tinfoil: the anti-saran wrap - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQA/AwUBNk5zDuQ86hTv+ShHEQK5eACg5gKIoJQLXg9p/eChCjHzphoRl3UAn1Hi WKr+2u1RUhQEJlQNNz+PZ3ig =RSHz - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 22:58:06 -0800 (PST) From: rOTTEN Subject: Re: [mitnick] Iron-Ons On Sun, 15 Nov 1998, jackdarippa wrote: > I wasn't talking to you, i was talking about the telephreak, it was a joke > about the guy who asked if by iron on we meant using a soldering iron. > > jackdarippa If Jesus was alive, he'd put an iron-on on his toga. <..rOTTEN..> nobody move, nobody get hurt error187(1) critical failure - - - - - - To do: 1) Update my "To do" list. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 09:26:17 -0400 From: che guevara Subject: Re: [mitnick] suggestion, idea, whatever - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 i love doing that...i will do it! kenneth sooyna wrote: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 has anyone started an archive of manipulated logos that say stuff like free kevin and such not? has made any logos that have been changed to say free kevin? if you don't know what i'm talking about look in the r00t archives at their logos page. just a suggestion. - - http://listen.to/duz icq:19173887 tinfoil: the anti-saran wrap -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQA/AwUBNk5zDuQ86hTv+ShHEQK5eACg5gKIoJQLXg9p/eChCjHzphoRl3UAn1Hi WKr+2u1RUhQEJlQNNz+PZ3ig =RSHz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - -- che guevara "I know you've come to kill me. Shoot, coward, you're only going to kill a man" [Che Guevara] - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0 for non-commercial use Charset: noconv iQA/AwUBNk7Wc3l9rs+kTRROEQK3OACdHW0VULukLKdtVZGcQt3xTPXyQH8An0h8 YmPyZcEsEJvfert2x0XRJpAR =Y3th - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 08:24:26 -0800 From: Internet for All Customer Service Subject: Re: [mitnick] Iron-Ons I don't think Jesus wore a toga. Togas are for Romans. rOTTEN wrote: > > On Sun, 15 Nov 1998, jackdarippa wrote: > > > I wasn't talking to you, i was talking about the telephreak, it was a joke > > about the guy who asked if by iron on we meant using a soldering iron. > > > > jackdarippa > > If Jesus was alive, he'd put an iron-on on his toga. > > <..rOTTEN..> > > nobody move, nobody get hurt > > error187(1) critical failure > - - - - - > To do: 1) Update my "To do" list. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 08:59:08 -0800 (PST) From: electroMagnet Subject: Re: [mitnick] Iron-Ons I agree with you Phreak. Did you see what that guy, (if it is a guy), wrote? Why that rat bastid! > > >---Stork wrote:>When you say iron-ons, do you mean >soldering iron? > > >---kenneth sooyna wrote:> >anyway, to the question: is there anyone out there >that is making free kevin iron-ons? > > >---"TelePhreak ." wrote:> > >the guy who asked if it was a soldering iron was >just being an idiot, i've been watching his posts and >all of them were asking stupid questions or something >like that, he's just a smart ass. > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 09:40:16 PST From: "kenneth sooyna" Subject: Re: [mitnick] suggestion, idea, whatever - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 you'll start an archive, or just start playing with logos? if it's the archive make sure you give us the url and a way for us to send you our own creations. >Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 09:26:17 -0400 >From: che guevara >To: mitnick@2600.com >Subject: Re: [mitnick] suggestion, idea, whatever >Reply-To: mitnick@2600.com > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >i love doing that...i will do it! > >kenneth sooyna wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > has anyone started an archive of manipulated logos that say > stuff like free kevin and such not? > has made any logos that have been changed to say free kevin? > if you don't know what i'm talking about look in the r00t > archives at their logos page. > just a suggestion. > > - - > http://listen.to/duz > icq:19173887 > tinfoil: the anti-saran wrap > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 > Charset: noconv > > iQA/AwUBNk5zDuQ86hTv+ShHEQK5eACg5gKIoJQLXg9p/eChCjHzphoRl3UAn1Hi > WKr+2u1RUhQEJlQNNz+PZ3ig > =RSHz > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > >- -- >che guevara > > > > > > "I know you've come to kill me. > Shoot, coward, you're only going to kill a man" > >[Che Guevara] > > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: PGPfreeware 5.0 for non-commercial use >Charset: noconv > >iQA/AwUBNk7Wc3l9rs+kTRROEQK3OACdHW0VULukLKdtVZGcQt3xTPXyQH8An0h8 >YmPyZcEsEJvfert2x0XRJpAR >=Y3th >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQA/AwUBNk8R5eQ86hTv+ShHEQLNTwCfeDLHn4saVvAc5cF85jNqAymBQn8AoIyH 0WCF+JQSgJn+zKs6SFbYz+Xh =hSvb - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 09:45:04 PST From: "kenneth sooyna" Subject: Re: [mitnick] Iron-Ons - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 would it be one of those 'what would jesus do' things? >Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 22:58:06 -0800 (PST) >From: rOTTEN > >On Sun, 15 Nov 1998, jackdarippa wrote: > >> I wasn't talking to you, i was talking about the telephreak, it was a joke >> about the guy who asked if by iron on we meant using a soldering iron. >> >> jackdarippa > >If Jesus was alive, he'd put an iron-on on his toga. > > > <..rOTTEN..> > > nobody move, nobody get hurt > > error187(1) critical failure >- - - - - > To do: 1) Update my "To do" list. > > - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQA/AwUBNk8TEeQ86hTv+ShHEQLO3QCg6cXK9mR4V8G26zn37daGrgzSUYkAnj6B a5KqAE3b59rwj1SC90gfk1sf =XY+C - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 09:53:53 -0800 (PST) From: rOTTEN Subject: Re: [mitnick] Iron-Ons On Sun, 15 Nov 1998, Internet for All Customer Service wrote: > I don't think Jesus wore a toga. Togas are for Romans. Must have been a chiton then. <..rOTTEN..> nobody move, nobody get hurt error187(1) critical failure - - - - - - To do: 1) Update my "To do" list. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 11:58:40 PST From: "TelePhreak ." Subject: [mitnick] Banner Archive hey, i will make the banner archive, i am really bored, and i need something to keep me busy, if anyone has any banner that i should put up tell me and i'll do it..... - - - - - - - - ->Phone Rangers<- - - - - - - - - - - F -TelePhreak R Email: AcidHak@Hotmail.com E mIRC: TelePhrk E ICQ: 10886438 K Aol Instant Messanger: TelePhrk 0 E NPA: 908 (NJ) V http://phonerangers.home.ml.org/ I http://welcome.to/phonerangers N - - - - - - - - ->Phone Rangers<- - - - - - - - - - - ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 13:49:04 +0000 From: tor.fosheim@bigfoot.com Subject: [mitnick] pictures of Kevin hiya all, I'm a journalist writing up a piece about Kevin and his history, "crimes" and wether they really are crimes. Im also doing quite a bit on the chase and capture of Kevin .. Why im writing the list is simple; Im wondering if anyone has any pictures of Kevin that i can send along with the article -Ill also need the copyright info on it. With pictures the editor will give it a more prominent place in the paper - probably a full page spread. And i would really appreciate if someone could answer some of these questions: 1. Is it really true that Kevin is basically being held because the prosecution needs time to hack his computers? 2. Does anyone remember something about Kevin being forced by the courts to undergo phsychiatric tretment for his "compulsive hacking"? Or is it just my memory acting up again ...? 3. Are there any other stories similar to the walkman-incident? 4. What was Kevins "first" hack? Where did it all begin for him? 5. Does Kevin Condone the Free Kevin propaganda on hacked web-pages? 6. Would it be fair to say that Shimomura was a part-time hacker himself who got his pride hurt by Kevin breaking into his computer? These are basically general Q's that i am researching on web-pages like www.kevinmitnick.com etc. but It'd be great to hear what you ppl think about this .... If anyone is wondering, its for the biggest newspaper in Norway -but hey, anything helps I guess :) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 10:41:52 EST From: JAKade@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] pictures of Kevin In a message dated 11/16/98 8:17:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, tor.fosheim@bigfoot.com writes: > 1. Is it really true that Kevin is basically being held because the > prosecution needs time to hack his computers? Perhaps. Say, "There is some speculation that Mitnick is being held...." I think he's being held to set an example, personally. "PLEA BARGAIN OR ROT IN JAIL!" > 2. Does anyone remember something about Kevin being forced by the courts to > undergo phsychiatric tretment for his "compulsive hacking"? Or is it just > my memory acting up again ...? That was the first time he was in court, when he was convicted, I believe. > 3. Are there any other stories similar to the walkman-incident? Not that I know of... > 4. What was Kevins "first" hack? Where did it all begin for him? Don't know, offhand. Try reading Jon Littman's "The Fugitive Game" > 5. Does Kevin Condone the Free Kevin propaganda on hacked web-pages? NO. NO. NO! It's imperative that you make clear that Mitnick does not want ANY illegal activity on his behalf. > 6. Would it be fair to say that Shimomura was a part-time hacker himself > who got his pride hurt by Kevin breaking into his computer? Parttime. Heh. Anyway, it's not proven, or even charged (?) that Kevin hacked Shimomura. It is true that Shimmie had a version of the Berkeley packet filter that allowed the packets to be sent to other servers than their intended destination. In other words, it copied everything it filtered to another place, most probably an NSA server. Don't quote me on this, though =) > These are basically general Q's that i am researching on web-pages like > www.kevinmitnick.com etc. but It'd be great to hear what you ppl think > about this .... > > If anyone is wondering, its for the biggest newspaper in Norway -but hey, > anything helps I guess :) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 15:10:08 -0500 From: Emmanuel Goldstein Subject: [mitnick] msg from agent steal i have been asked to forward the following: - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- You guys crack me up. Bobwil623@aol.com wrote: >add in re petersen's site... > > http://www.primenet.com/~atlarge/computercenter.html > > note, in particular, the "computer" room with no computers... > > dirtbag though he is, ya gotta wonder about someone who posts pictures of > a computer room without computers and talks it up as though it's a > computer "facility" worthy of something (although this writer isn't quite > sure what)... Well you little moron, what exactly could you do with a building like that? Hmm, lets see: Access panel flooring 3 Central Air Conditioners 1000 Amp AC service 900 telco cable pairs cat5 wiring throughout fiber optics presence high security building perhaps it would be a good place for an ISP or co-locates? > to wit: > > "JUSTIN'S 1000 SQ. FT. COMPUTER FACILTY CONSISTS > OF 2 SERVER ROOMS, A CONTROL ROOM, AN OFFICE, AND > KITCHENETTE, ALL IN AN EARTQUAKE RESISTANT, HIGH > SECURITY BUILDING" > > he's a very strange man.... Indeed, I am a bit "eccentric", living in a computer facility. Understand that I had just gotten out of prison and was starting a new business. I found the warehouse/computer center and decided to move in. I lived there for over a year. Great little place, like a mini C.O. I wasn't my intention to actually offer the place for rent or co-locates, I just wanted to live there. Though I did eventually have a couple of machines there to help pay the rent and the T-1. If anything I was considering using the place for expanding my adult web site biz. And while I am here, (for the first and last time I might add). I will address the issue of my investigation of Mitnick for the FBI. Why did I "snitch" on him? Well, first of all I never knew Mitnick before my involvement with the FBI. They suggested I look into what he was up too. I did, I contacted him and a case ensued. Many hours of conversations between myself, Lewis DePayne, and Mitnick were tapped and all of our meetings were under FBI surveillance. At first they trusted me enough to share hack related info. Mitnick confided that he was working for a P.I. firm selling them "special" information. This is what the Bureau had heard, and thus initiated the investigation. Eventually, due to lax security on the behalf of the FBI, Mitnick and Depayne figured out what I was up to. At that point I was getting tired of the FBI's BS and did nothing to prevent Mitnick from figuring it all out. When he learned he was about to be raided, he fled. DePayne would have you believe they were on to me from the start, and the Takedown movie is the story according to DePayne. However, this is not truth. Let me ask this: If Mitnick knew I was an informant, why did he tell me so much, and why did he flee if he was innocent? I do regret my involvement with the FBI. At the time I thought it was the right thing to do. I spoke with Mitnick in prison and apologized. I even spoke with his attorney in person and offered to shed light on what was going on behind the scenes. I wrote a letter of formal apology to DePayne. Unfortunately, neither of them has been man enough to accept this and they have continued to create (small) problems for me. So at this point I have no reason to help either side (prosecution or defense). If for some far fetched reason I am captured and brought to trial, what I have to stay will not be flattering for either side. So Mr. Richard Sherman, hello? Are you getting this? If your client would have been a bit more mature about this you might have had some help. Why did I "snitch" on the others including Kevin Poulsen? Let me just say this: I protected my friends at considerable risk to myself. I was not able to talk about this until now. When the FBI polygraphed me I failed, twice. I didn't tell them everything I knew. And when they insisted I pursue a case against my former employers, (the former FBI LA field office director and his partner), I didn't follow through. So in the end, my best friend, (a hacker) my former employers, my partner in the $150,000 wire transfer hack, and my ex-girlfriend (a criminal in her own right) were never indicted. Some may point out that the FBI would never indict a former agent, well think again. It's all politics and it's a dog eat dog world. The person of whom I speak is not in good standing with the Bureau, and they would welcome the chance to take him down. I should also point out that as a night club promoter, I know plenty of major drug dealers and other assorted criminals. Needless to say, I didn't rat on any of them. But to answer the question, everyone I ratted on had it coming. Poulsen had tried to get me arrested months before all this crap went down. Austin, I knew would have done the same to me. In retrospect he has proven this to be true, having turned in a few of his own, including debriefing considerable information about Poulsen. And as far as Poulsen goes, I was in a position to really fry him on the espionage charge, my statements to the FBI weakened their case considerably. This is a complex story, it was a tough decision I made. I'm not the type of person to give blind allegiance to those who don't deserve it. I look out for myself and those close to me. When people commit crimes they know the risks. Everyone knows that 80% of those arrested cooperate with authorities. It's a fact of life. I'm not proud of what I did and I would likely do things differently if I had all to do again. But what's done is done. So call me a dirt bag if you will, but at least know the facts. Some people have questioned my level of hacking skills. Let me say that I've never purported to be a super hacker. I'm good and what I do, and I have a thorough understanding of how computers and networks operate at the lowest level. No, I'm not a Unix or machine code guru. But when it gets right down to it, I get the job done. If I target something I figure out the most effective method to breech. I study the system, learn what I need to know and that's that. There are many different methods to hacking. Each hacker has his specialty and I have mine. Be that as it may it would suffice to say that I must have some level of skill because I was the only hacker thus far to get a sentencing enhancement for use of a special skill in the commission of a crime. Furthermore, the FBI didn't give me $3500 a month for being an idiot. If anything, the reason I'm not more skilled than I am is that I spend too much time hanging out in nightclubs trying to get laid. Forgive me for never having written assembly language TCP/IP sniffers for Linux boxes. Enough for now, talk amongst yourselves. Agent Steal at large ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 16:51:12 -0500 (EST) From: Macki Subject: Re: [mitnick] pictures of Kevin > These are basically general Q's that i am researching on web-pages like > www.kevinmitnick.com etc. but It'd be great to hear what you ppl think > about this .... A low resolution protrait of Kevin can be found attached to the flyer on the kevinmitnick website. The other questions you asked were matters of fact, having only one correct truth value. Why then, do you ask what people think the answers are, when you are already aware of the authoritative source that answers all of the questions you posted to the list? Why don't you be the first reporter to actually do his own research? Maybe then you'll actually get the story right. www.kevinmitnick.com has everything that you need. That's why it's there, use it. --Macki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 14:16:41 PST From: "TelePhreak ." Subject: Re: [mitnick] pictures of Kevin i can't answer all but i can answer a couple, if my answers are wrond please someone correct me. >1. Is it really true that Kevin is basically being held because the >prosecution needs time to hack his computers? i dont know if they need time to 'hack' his computers but i know they have to review the thousands of pages of evidence they have, that kevin hasnt been able to see. >5. Does Kevin Condone the Free Kevin propaganda on hacked web-pages? NO...i know he was very upset at the nytimes hack and definatly the yahoo hack he was upset by. >6. Would it be fair to say that Shimomura was a part-time hacker himself >who got his pride hurt by Kevin breaking into his computer? i dont know if a shimomura was a part time hacker, but he would make a good one. theres no evidence kevin did hack his computer, so i dont know if he did at all. >If anyone is wondering, its for the biggest newspaper in Norway -but hey, >anything helps I guess :) i personally would love to read the article when its finished, you should definatly post it to the list. i also suggest listening to the old off the hook shows they're great for info on kevin. www.2600.com/offthehook - - - - - - - - ->Phone Rangers<- - - - - - - - - - - F -TelePhreak R Email: AcidHak@Hotmail.com E mIRC: TelePhrk E ICQ: 10886438 K Aol Instant Messanger: TelePhrk 0 E NPA: 908 (NJ) V http://phonerangers.home.ml.org/ I http://welcome.to/phonerangers N - - - - - - - - ->Phone Rangers<- - - - - - - - - - - ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 14:29:46 PST From: "TelePhreak ." Subject: [mitnick]Banners Page Someone recently suggested make a banners page and i accepted to make one. i've only received one banner made by macki. If you would like a banner page please either send me the banner, or send me the url. i really want to get a banner page up, but i have no banners. - - - - - - - - ->Phone Rangers<- - - - - - - - - - - F -TelePhreak R Email: AcidHak@Hotmail.com E mIRC: TelePhrk E ICQ: 10886438 K Aol Instant Messanger: TelePhrk 0 E NPA: 908 (NJ) V http://phonerangers.home.ml.org/ I http://welcome.to/phonerangers N - - - - - - - - ->Phone Rangers<- - - - - - - - - - - ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 17:52:36 -0800 (PST) From: rOTTEN Subject: Re: [mitnick] msg from agent steal Stop your sniveling apologist bullshit. Every word you speak reeks of vaseline and shit. Stop trying to suck our dicks. You don't turn us on. <..rOTTEN..> nobody move, nobody get hurt error187(1) critical failure - - - - - - To do: 1) Update my "To do" list. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 20:09:08 -0600 From: "jackdarippa" Subject: Re: [mitnick] msg from agent steal Ok, thanks for relaying the message, emmanuel. Hopefully somehow this message could be relayed to agent steal himself, however this one will be quite a bit shorter (i'm not being condescending, i'm just stating this). First off, Richard Sherman is no longer Kevin's attorney, because Mitnick ran out of cash, and of course there were other factors, etc. And we've all heard the 80% statistic, and yeah, it's a fact of life, but that makes you no less responsible for your own actions. I understand that there were some circumstances that made it hard not to "snitch", but that still does not make it right. My father was indicted and convicted mainly because of someone who actually lied on the stand (i am not accusing you of making anything up, mind you). He had many opportunities to plead down and turn over state's evidence, however he did not and is now serving a five year sentence at the Leavenworth Federal Prison Camp. Luckily, we live in Kansas but it's still an annoying drive. Your "if he was innocent why did he flee" argument has already been highly disputed by many people. He fled because he'd been in jail before and he couldn't let himself go back to solitary for 8 months. It is a great thing that you apologized to Kevin personally, but even you can probably see why he would still be pretty bitter. DePayne, well, DePayne's not the issue here. We all know that the FBI is backstabbing scum, but thanks for clarifying that :) Anyway, just wanted to say some of that stuff. jackdarippa - -----Original Message----- From: Emmanuel Goldstein To: mitnick@phalse.2600.com Date: Monday, November 16, 1998 3:15 PM Subject: [mitnick] msg from agent steal >i have been asked to forward the following: > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >You guys crack me up. > >Bobwil623@aol.com wrote: > >>add in re petersen's site... >> >> http://www.primenet.com/~atlarge/computercenter.html >> >> note, in particular, the "computer" room with no computers... >> >> dirtbag though he is, ya gotta wonder about someone who posts pictures of >> a computer room without computers and talks it up as though it's a >> computer "facility" worthy of something (although this writer isn't quite >> sure what)... > >Well you little moron, what exactly could you do with a building like that? > Hmm, lets see: > >Access panel flooring >3 Central Air Conditioners >1000 Amp AC service >900 telco cable pairs >cat5 wiring throughout >fiber optics presence >high security building > >perhaps it would be a good place for an ISP or co-locates? > > >> to wit: >> >> "JUSTIN'S 1000 SQ. FT. COMPUTER FACILTY CONSISTS >> OF 2 SERVER ROOMS, A CONTROL ROOM, AN OFFICE, AND >> KITCHENETTE, ALL IN AN EARTQUAKE RESISTANT, HIGH >> SECURITY BUILDING" >> >> he's a very strange man.... > >Indeed, I am a bit "eccentric", living in a computer facility. > >Understand that I had just gotten out of prison and was starting a new >business. I found the warehouse/computer center and decided to move in. I >lived there for over a year. Great little place, like a mini C.O. I >wasn't my intention to actually offer the place for rent or co-locates, I >just wanted to live there. Though I did eventually have a couple of >machines there to help pay the rent and the T-1. If anything I was >considering using the place for expanding my adult web site biz. > >And while I am here, (for the first and last time I might add). I will >address the issue of my investigation of Mitnick for the FBI. > >Why did I "snitch" on him? >Well, first of all I never knew Mitnick before my involvement with the FBI. > They suggested I look into what he was up too. I did, I contacted him and >a case ensued. Many hours of conversations between myself, Lewis DePayne, >and Mitnick were tapped and all of our meetings were under FBI >surveillance. At first they trusted me enough to share hack related info. >Mitnick confided that he was working for a P.I. firm selling them "special" >information. This is what the Bureau had heard, and thus initiated the >investigation. Eventually, due to lax security on the behalf of the FBI, >Mitnick and Depayne figured out what I was up to. At that point I was >getting tired of the FBI's BS and did nothing to prevent Mitnick from >figuring it all out. When he learned he was about to be raided, he fled. >DePayne would have you believe they were on to me from the start, and the >Takedown movie is the story according to DePayne. However, this is not >truth. Let me ask this: If Mitnick knew I was an informant, why did he >tell me so much, and why did he flee if he was innocent? > >I do regret my involvement with the FBI. At the time I thought it was the >right thing to do. I spoke with Mitnick in prison and apologized. I even >spoke with his attorney in person and offered to shed light on what was >going on behind the scenes. I wrote a letter of formal apology to DePayne. > Unfortunately, neither of them has been man enough to accept this and they >have continued to create (small) problems for me. > >So at this point I have no reason to help either side (prosecution or >defense). If for some far fetched reason I am captured and brought to >trial, what I have to stay will not be flattering for either side. So Mr. >Richard Sherman, hello? Are you getting this? If your client would have >been a bit more mature about this you might have had some help. > >Why did I "snitch" on the others including Kevin Poulsen? >Let me just say this: I protected my friends at considerable risk to >myself. I was not able to talk about this until now. When the FBI >polygraphed me I failed, twice. I didn't tell them everything I knew. And >when they insisted I pursue a case against my former employers, (the former >FBI LA field office director and his partner), I didn't follow through. So >in the end, my best friend, (a hacker) my former employers, my partner in >the $150,000 wire transfer hack, and my ex-girlfriend (a criminal in her >own right) were never indicted. Some may point out that the FBI would >never indict a former agent, well think again. It's all politics and it's >a dog eat dog world. The person of whom I speak is not in good standing >with the Bureau, and they would welcome the chance to take him down. I >should also point out that as a night club promoter, I know plenty of major >drug dealers and other assorted criminals. Needless to say, I didn't rat >on any of them. > >But to answer the question, everyone I ratted on had it coming. Poulsen >had tried to get me arrested months before all this crap went down. >Austin, I knew would have done the same to me. In retrospect he has proven >this to be true, having turned in a few of his own, including debriefing >considerable information about Poulsen. And as far as Poulsen goes, I was >in a position to really fry him on the espionage charge, my statements to >the FBI weakened their case considerably. > >This is a complex story, it was a tough decision I made. I'm not the type >of person to give blind allegiance to those who don't deserve it. I look >out for myself and those close to me. When people commit crimes they know >the risks. Everyone knows that 80% of those arrested cooperate with >authorities. It's a fact of life. I'm not proud of what I did and I would >likely do things differently if I had all to do again. But what's done is >done. So call me a dirt bag if you will, but at least know the facts. > >Some people have questioned my level of hacking skills. Let me say that >I've never purported to be a super hacker. I'm good and what I do, and I >have a thorough understanding of how computers and networks operate at the >lowest level. No, I'm not a Unix or machine code guru. But when it gets >right down to it, I get the job done. If I target something I figure out >the most effective method to breech. I study the system, learn what I need >to know and that's that. There are many different methods to hacking. >Each hacker has his specialty and I have mine. Be that as it may it would >suffice to say that I must have some level of skill because I was the only >hacker thus far to get a sentencing enhancement for use of a special skill >in the commission of a crime. Furthermore, the FBI didn't give me $3500 a >month for being an idiot. If anything, the reason I'm not more skilled >than I am is that I spend too much time hanging out in nightclubs trying to >get laid. Forgive me for never having written assembly language TCP/IP >sniffers for Linux boxes. > >Enough for now, talk amongst yourselves. > > >Agent Steal at large > > ------------------------------ End of mitnick-digest V1 #198 *****************************