mitnick-digest Thursday, November 19 1998 Volume 01 : Number 199 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 21:59:28 -0500 From: "Scott" Subject: Re: [mitnick] Well i'm now up to 7000 flyers, that i have handed out about KEVIN. DaRkSiDe ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 21:00:02 -0600 From: "jackdarippa" Subject: Re: [mitnick] msg from agent steal rotten, nice job at giving us the epitome of a pointless message. That's gonna get us real far. (yes, ironically this is somewhat of a pointless message, but at least it makes sense) - -----Original Message----- From: rOTTEN To: mitnick@2600.com Date: Monday, November 16, 1998 8:49 PM Subject: Re: [mitnick] msg from agent steal > > >Stop your sniveling apologist bullshit. > > >Every word you speak reeks of vaseline and shit. > > >Stop trying to suck our dicks. You don't turn us on. > > > > <..rOTTEN..> > > nobody move, nobody get hurt > > error187(1) critical failure >- - - - - > To do: 1) Update my "To do" list. > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 21:16:17 -0600 From: "poiSiN" Subject: Re: [mitnick] msg from agent steal Oh and I suppose Agent *Squeals* opinions are more valid than rOTTEN's? Get a clue. poiSiN - -----Original Message----- From: jackdarippa To: mitnick@2600.com Date: Monday, November 16, 1998 9:17 PM Subject: Re: [mitnick] msg from agent steal >rotten, nice job at giving us the epitome of a pointless message. That's >gonna get us real far. (yes, ironically this is somewhat of a pointless >message, but at least it makes sense) >-----Original Message----- >From: rOTTEN >To: mitnick@2600.com >Date: Monday, November 16, 1998 8:49 PM >Subject: Re: [mitnick] msg from agent steal > > >> >> >>Stop your sniveling apologist bullshit. >> >> >>Every word you speak reeks of vaseline and shit. >> >> >>Stop trying to suck our dicks. You don't turn us on. >> >> >> >> <..rOTTEN..> >> >> nobody move, nobody get hurt >> >> error187(1) critical failure >>- - - - - >> To do: 1) Update my "To do" list. >> >> >> > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 19:43:54 -0800 From: Internet for All Customer Service Subject: Re: [mitnick] great. Scott wrote: > > Well i'm now up to 7000 flyers, that i have handed out about KEVIN. > > DaRkSiDe ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 19:44:57 -0800 (PST) From: skyking Subject: [mitnick] Flyers. That's great Scott, congratulations. On the subject of handing out flyers, a few questions. How about a leaflet drop? Does anyone live near an air field or know some who flys small planes? Why not drop a bunch of them (10,000 or more) over a heavily populated area, (like mid town Manhattan)? Is it illegal to do something like this, (litter laws)? On the other hand, how will they know where the flyers came from? It's not like you're going to hover in mid air and wave at people. Just an idea. I'm not high. I'm just flying low. - ---Scott wrote: > > Well i'm now up to 7000 flyers, that i have handed out about KEVIN. > > > DaRkSiDe > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 23:19:12 EST From: FallOut4E@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] Flyers. In a message dated 11/16/98 10:43:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, jd00579@yahoo.com writes: > On the other hand, how will > they know where the flyers came from? It's not like you're going to > hover in mid air and wave at people. I don't think that it is a good idea for Joe Schmo to fly his plane over midtown Manhattan. The NYCPD probably won't either. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 21:39:12 -0700 From: "Kevin Joubert" Subject: Re: [mitnick] Encrypted Material Anything that Kevin and his lawyer have not been allowed to review can be petitioned as inadmissable by Kevin's attorney. Although the piece of shit judge they have in L.A. will probably admit it anyway, I doubt seriously if the supreme court will. Its just too blatantly abusive. - -----Original Message----- From: Douglas Thomas To: mitnick@2600.com Date: Wednesday, November 11, 1998 8:29 AM Subject: Re: [mitnick] Encrypted Material > > >We are approaching the 2 month mark (the trial is scheduled to start >January 19th) and Kevin still hasn't seen the 10 Gigs of evidence to be >used against him. I find that positively outrageous. > >Doug > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 21:41:12 -0700 From: "Kevin Joubert" Subject: Re: [mitnick] Kevin still in Jail - -----Original Message----- From: gjones@raleigh.ibm.com To: mitnick@2600.com Date: Wednesday, November 11, 1998 11:59 AM Subject: Re: [mitnick] Kevin still in Jail >Exactly, And Emmanuel made that point just a few weeks ago, they are expecting Kevin to accept a plea bargain. Like >Bernie S said, the Fed's have a 97% conviction rate and out of that 95% are plea Bargains. Frankly, with all due respect to the principles of justice, if Kevin can in any way plead to "time served" then he would be stupid not to. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 21:00:47 -0800 (PST) From: rOTTEN Subject: Re: [mitnick] msg from agent steal On Mon, 16 Nov 1998, jackdarippa wrote: > rotten, nice job at giving us the epitome of a pointless message. That's > gonna get us real far. (yes, ironically this is somewhat of a pointless > message, but at least it makes sense) If you knew what the hell you were talking about, I might accept your perpective. Since you're so intent on sucking Agent Squeal's dick, I don't validiate your commentary. Now you have two dicks in your mouth, Jack. <..rOTTEN..> nobody move, nobody get hurt error187(1) critical failure - - - - - - To do: 1) Update my "To do" list. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 00:14:15 -0500 From: "Aaron D. Ball" Subject: Re: [mitnick] msg from agent steal On Mon, Nov 16, 1998 at 09:00:47PM -0800, rOTTEN wrote: > On Mon, 16 Nov 1998, jackdarippa wrote: > > > rotten, nice job at giving us the epitome of a pointless message. That's > > gonna get us real far. (yes, ironically this is somewhat of a pointless > > message, but at least it makes sense) > > If you knew what the hell you were talking about, I might accept your > perpective. Since you're so intent on sucking Agent Squeal's dick, I > don't validiate your commentary. > > Now you have two dicks in your mouth, Jack. rOTTEN dearie, do you think you could up the obnox level just a bit? I don't think you've annoyed enough people yet. Peters'n certainly strikes me as Up There in the wanker rankings. But our concern is not with a two-(or more-)faced snitch piece of shit; it is with (almost) FOUR FUCKING YEARS in jail without due process -- for Kevin, and maybe someday for you and me if we're not careful, dedicated, and lucky. If it weren't Kevin, it would be some other convenient target. When you curse Peters'n, you're telling him he's important enough to piss you off, even in the face of what those who are supposed to serve and protect us are attempting to threaten us with. He isn't. Period. He's just an ass-dropping who isn't worth your time or mine. In accordance with that, this is the last I'll mention him. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 21:42:08 -0800 (PST) From: rOTTEN Subject: Re: [mitnick] msg from agent steal On Tue, 17 Nov 1998, Aaron D. Ball wrote: > rOTTEN dearie, do you think you could up the obnox level just a bit? I certainly could. Wanna try me? > I don't think you've annoyed enough people yet. I would agree with you. > Peters'n certainly strikes me as Up There in the wanker rankings. But our > concern is not with a two-(or more-)faced snitch piece of shit; it is with > (almost) FOUR FUCKING YEARS in jail without due process -- for Kevin, and > maybe someday for you and me if we're not careful, dedicated, and lucky. I agree fully. I didn't post Petersen's reply. I responded to it. If you have a problem with that, the problem is yours solely. Delete my post and move on. > If it weren't Kevin, it would be some other convenient target. Could be. If it weren't for rats, Mitnick might not be in prison. Where do you stand? Only attack ONE aspect of the problem, or attack ALL ends of it? If you refuse to acknowledge that rats are a scourge, you're contributing to the problem. Rats like Petersen put hackers, interested in exploration of technology, in prison. Do you support that? Yes you do. To make matters worse, it's not like he even gave his all to the Feebs. I can understand that some wanker makes it his life goal to be a fed, but Petersen rides the fence. He ain't even got the balls to do something WHOLE HOG. He has to be half-assed about it. A common SELL-OUT. He tries to make his shit smell nicer by saying that he didn't turn in the many major drug dealers he knew. Computer hackers haven't killed people yet. Drug dealers have. Petersen's a selective rat. If he doesn't feel threatened physically by someone, he'll rat them out. If he fears for his life like the chickenshit that he is, he'll shut his yap. I also think that my 3 line post was short enough not to cause any major rift in the FREE MITNICK process...obviously you'd disagree. Or maybe I made my point so succinctly that you were called to respond with great emotion. > When you curse > Peters'n, you're telling him he's important enough to piss you off, Not at all. A three line post doesn't take much time. I expressed my valid opinion and that's it, that's all. Now I have to reply to your bullshit to somehow make my first comment valid. That's absurd. Petersen's a bitch. Plain and simple. You have a problem with that? Maybe you should be working for the feds, fence-rider. Support a rat if you like. That's your prerogative. Mine is to eschew bitch-osity at all opportunities. > even in > the face of what those who are supposed to serve and protect us are attempting > to threaten us with. He isn't. Period. He's just an ass-dropping who isn't > worth your time or mine. And my three line post said that tersely. You care to expound? That's your business. You care to refute? That's your business. I said what I had to say, so deal with it. > In accordance with that, this is the last I'll mention him. God bless you. I'm wondering why you chose to defend him in the FIRST place. Sad. <..rOTTEN..> nobody move, nobody get hurt error187(1) critical failure - - - - - - To do: 1) Update my "To do" list. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 01:14:15 EST From: Bobwil623@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: [mitnick] Kevin still in Jail compex@earthling.net (Kevin Joubert) wrote a few things, including these two items: > Frankly, with all due respect to the principles > of justice, if Kevin can in any way plead to > "time served" then he would be stupid not to... and > Anything that Kevin and his lawyer have not been > allowed to review can be petitioned as > inadmissable by Kevin's attorney. Although the > piece of shit judge they have in L.A. will > probably admit it anyway, I doubt seriously if > the supreme court will. Its just too blatantly > abusive. au contraire, mon frere, au contraire. hmmm... but before i get started: hey steal, do they speak french where you are? no, not there; not in france, not there. maybe some other place.... hmmmm. where else do they speak french as the prevailing language...? meanwhile, in re the quotes shown above: pleading guilty to crimes alleged by federal authorities has lifelong implications. it's not merely about "doin' the time" if you've done the crime, but rather it's about the implications for when you get out of prison. first, and some might say most importantly, if you haven't committed the crimes to which you pled ("plead"? past tense of "to plead" is what i'm looking for here), there's an enormous amount of cognitive dissonance that can result. to wit: "why didn't i fight it out? am i a chump for having pled guilty when i know i didn't do what i was accused of?" etc., etc., etc. kind of what cops go through when their partner gets shot to death, and they survive. a great deal of self-doubt can come to the fore if one's not done a great deal of introspection and healing work. then there are the real-life problems: if paroled, parole officers and their nonsense for years. no credit. no yob. not even a mc-yob. no vote. "have you ever been convicted or plead guilty to a felony" questions from prospective employers. media articles about you that routinely reference the fact that you plead guilty. the list is a long one, but i'm sure those give an idea. as far as the other issue is concerned -- i.e., the behavior of the courts -- i'll repeat what i've posted to the list before: this case has virtually nothing to do with kevin, nor with the crimes for which he stands accused. this is about politics, kids, and power and money and governments and abuse of power. if you think the fbi isn't reading every post on this list, you're either naive, or a fool, or both. the fbi, the doj, and the corporations to whom they (fbi and doj) are responsible have a much larger agenda here. they're interested in using "the myth of kevin mitnick" (TMOKM) to convince judges ignorant of technology that anyone who doesn't do exactly as the USG wants them to do is a "terrorist." then again, don't believe me -- do your own research. go to (watch those line breaks) and do a search on "litt" - a name will come up of a deputy u.s. attorney general who testified in front of a subcommittee of the senate (!) judiciary committee last year -- in march, i believe. the name of the subcommittee is something like "Subcommittee on Technology, Terrorism and Government Information, Senate Judiciary Committee, United States Senate, Washington, D.C., March 19, 1997 " - no b.s. interesting juxtaposition of terms, eh? and yet, when you read the speech of this guy as delivered to the subcommittee ("thank you, members of the committee, for giving me this opportunity to speak to you today on something that concerns us all..."), the only thing he talks about is low-level consumer fraud - you know, someone hacks the phone system to reroute calls through a number in moldava (moldavia? could be a typo in the doj site) to collect a bunch of money (like routing calls through a 971 number, or whatever the porn extension is). NOT A WORD ABOUT USING COMPUTERS TO "TERRORIZE" POPULATIONS LIKE, SAY, EXPLODING A CIVILIAN HOTEL IN DOWNTOWN BAGHDAD WITH CRUISE MISSILES and killing a few civilians. honest. not a word about anyone doing anything like attempting to shut down the FAA net, or the traffic light system in nyc. just low-level crimes where greedy people try to ripoff other greedy people. hmmm.... could it be that the assistant u.s. atty gen'l didn't talk about "terrorism" with computers is because no one is *trying* to do those things? what a concept. imagine that. you don't think...naw, it couldn't -- then again, is it that the GOVernment is trying to FRIGHTEN the judiciary and the voting electorate into believing that people who know a lot about computers are "terrorists"? naw, it couldn't be. that would be too reminiscent of the salem witchcraft trials in massachusetts so many hundreds of years ago. yeah, those trials: the ones where they burned midwives at the stake for knowing too much about birthing babies safely, or for knowing too much about natural healing remedies. naw. the USG wouldn't do anything like that. i mean, that would be just like what they did to the black panther party: carry out cointelpro ops against people who organize and agitate in the street for social change while they conduct supplemental food programs, and who launch their own schools in the inner city because the government refused to do so. naw. the USG wouldn't do anything like that. i mean, that would be just like what they did to people who looked middle eastern in their national origin (as if such a thing -- national origin -- could be categorized that way) during the illegal u.s. invasion of iraq. one man reported that he was harrassed so intently as he passed through an airport that he thought the u.s. agents (unsure of the agency) were going to shoot him if he so much as used a muscle. then again, that might have taken place in the hours after the bombing of the federal building in oklahoma -- yeah, that one. and when they arrested the guy who they alleged had blown up a huge building, killing more people in an instant than any other publicly acknowledged crime in u.s. history, the guy they arrested had a bail hearing in a few days. nearly four years after his arrest, kevin still hasn't had a bail hearing, and even the supreme court says that's just fine. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 01:34:21 EST From: Bobwil623@aol.com Subject: [mitnick] Re: msg from justin petersen - the last, i hope. since i'm the one who got the reply (see "Well you little moron..." in the original msg... ;-), perhaps i'll be lucky enough to help end the thread.... in re justin petersen's fawning attempt to give "his side" of the "story" - -- and that's all it is, is a story -- consider this: although he's presumably fled the u.s., and although he's removed himself from this society, he still feels the need to attempt an explanation of his actions, and his motives, for betraying people to the government. isn't it interesting how the people whose ego appears the largest are the most insecure? notice, too, that his fawning explanation -- "everyone I ratted on had it coming" -- explains why one or a few people "had it coming", but nowhere in the "story" does justin mention why kevin mitnick deserved to be sold out to the government for the princely sum of $3500 a month. what does justin petersen "have coming" as karmic payback for his crimes in offense of ethics and morality? hmmm? my guess is his neck is gonna get one helluva crick in it from trying to look behind him all the time.... i give him 6 months to a year before he's dragged back to the u.s. lastly, i find it even more interesting that the chump continues to use the alias he used when he was an employee of the government spying on and betraying his fellow citizens. kind of reminds me of some east germans, thousands of whom reported to the dreaded stasi ("secret" police in name, and the location of torture centers, only) on every action of their neighbors and friends for thirty years, for the u.s. equivalent of a hunnert bucks or so per month. real money in east germany in those days, but a heckua price to pay. not sure why, but the phrase "worthless human garbage" comes to mind.... i must've read it in a story somewhere... ;-) and do us all a favor: if you must mention the fellow, at least use his given name. continuing to use the alias merely feeds the insecurities of an apparently insatiable ego. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 02:05:16 EST From: Sacrosantx@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] msg from steal Almost 99% of the time I keep my mouth shut. My reason is to not argue and get started in fights. Well; this time I'm gona say something; two words. Shut up. Nothing personal; just chill on the 'backstabbing' agent steal or whatever you think he is.. because we all have our own oppinions of him; from a friend to enemy. Leave it at that.. because no-one will ever win on this fight. I am not bias against rOTTEN or whoever else was in it. Just chill a bit; and keep fighting the cause 'free kevin' that you have all been fighting. I will now shutup once more; go back to my cave and dwindle watching your convo's without arguing. lucid Kosovo terror! Help and save lives! www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Senate/2897/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 10:41:03 +0000 From: kerry Subject: [mitnick] does this make sense? from May 14 1998 memo affirming Mitnick's sentence following appeal: 'Mitnick's challenge to the supervised release conditions on vagueness grounds because "computer" and other terms are not defined also fails because the conditions give Mitnick fair notice of what is prohibited.' that doesn't really address the issue he was trying to raise in appealing the sentence, does it? more like, avoids it. http://www.kevinmitnick.com/051498affirm.html#fair_notice *********************************************************** FREE KEVIN bumperstickers http://www.mindspring.com/~jump0 *********************************************************** PO Box 17435 - Raleigh NC 27619 - email jump0@mindspring.com checks/money orders payable to "Free Kevin Publicity Fund" *********************************************************** Stickers are sold at cost plus postage - we make no profit from this effort - donations are split equally between Kevin's Defense Fund and the Free Kevin Publicity Fund. *********************************************************** F R E E K E V I N http://www.KevinMitnick.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 07:21:41 -0800 (PST) From: Lingus Subject: Re: Re: [mitnick] Kevin still in Jail where else do they speak french as the prevailing language...? On an island in the Carbbiean and in parts of Africa. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 07:24:39 -0800 (PST) From: Lingus Subject: Re: Re: [mitnick] Kevin still in Jail where else dothey speak french as the prevailing language...? Not to mention Canada and parts of South Florida. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 07:34:28 -0800 (PST) From: skyking Subject: Re: [mitnick] Flyers. Don't take it so literal. It was meant as an example. It could very well be any city, (D.C., Boston, L.A., London, Brussels, etc), anywhere in the world for that matter. Imagine a plane flying over a televised NFL Sunday afternoon or Monday night football game, and dumping 20,000 flyers after halftime during the 3rd quarter. Everyone would wonder (and gain a crash course on) who Kevin is. No doubt. Roger ... Over and out. - ---FallOut4E@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 11/16/98 10:43:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, > jd00579@yahoo.com writes: > > > On the other hand, how will > > they know where the flyers came from? It's not like you're going to > > hover in mid air and wave at people. > > I don't think that it is a good idea for Joe Schmo to fly his plane over > midtown Manhattan. The NYCPD probably won't either. > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 12:55:50 EST From: Bobwil623@aol.com Subject: [mitnick] the best quote from that USAAG's speech.... in re that guy "litt" that mentioned in " Re: Re: [mitnick] Kevin still in Jail", here's one of the best quotes from his statement to the subcommittee: > But hackers can also affect individual citizens > directly. For example, they can compromise the > confidentiality and integrity of personal and > financial information. In one case, hackers from > Germany gained complete control of an ISP in > Miami and captured all the credit card > information maintained on the service's > subscribers. The hackers then threatened to > destroy the system and distribute all the credit > card numbers unless the ISP paid ransom. German > authorities arrested the hacker when he tried to > pick up the money -- but had he not sought > ransom he could have used the stolen credit card > numbers to defraud thousands of consumers. interesting switch, isn't it, to suggest that such an action would defraud *consumers* instead of *the credit card company*? aww, it was probably just a typo. "pay no attention to that man behind the curtain..." ...-- the Wizard, in a loud voice once his curtain was pulled aside by either Dorothy, the Tin Man, or Toto (can't remember which; someone go see the re-release and get back to the list with the right citation....) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 12:41:17 -0700 From: "Kevin Joubert" Subject: Re: Re: [mitnick] Kevin still in Jail - -----Original Message----- From: Bobwil623@aol.com To: mitnick@2600.com Date: Monday, November 16, 1998 11:23 PM Subject: Re: Re: [mitnick] Kevin still in Jail >compex@earthling.net (Kevin Joubert) wrote a few things, including these >two items: > >> Frankly, with all due respect to the principles >> of justice, if Kevin can in any way plead to >> "time served" then he would be stupid not to... > >and > >> Anything that Kevin and his lawyer have not been >> allowed to review can be petitioned as >> inadmissable by Kevin's attorney. Although the >> piece of shit judge they have in L.A. will >> probably admit it anyway, I doubt seriously if >> the supreme court will. Its just too blatantly >> abusive. > > >au contraire, mon frere, au contraire. snip snip blah blah Look. All of your comments are truly valid. However, the courts have already proven that they are not above trampling all over Kevin's constitutional rights. If everyone played by the rules then I would agree with you. But they through the rule book out the door... Kevin Mitnick is NOT going to get a fair shake plain and simple. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 15:08:38 -0500 From: gjones@raleigh.ibm.com Subject: Re: Re: [mitnick] Kevin still in Jail I'm a afraid that I'm going to have to agree with him on that. Taking a look at the way that Kevin is being shafted left and right, I'm surprised that they haven't just decided to hand down the sentence already and say fuck the trial. compex@earthling.net on 11-17-98 02:41:17 PM Please respond to mitnick@2600.com To: mitnick@2600.com cc: (bcc: Gregory Jones/NWSMEL) Subject: Re: Re: [mitnick] Kevin still in Jail - -----Original Message----- From: Bobwil623@aol.com To: mitnick@2600.com Date: Monday, November 16, 1998 11:23 PM Subject: Re: Re: [mitnick] Kevin still in Jail >compex@earthling.net (Kevin Joubert) wrote a few things, including these >two items: > >> Frankly, with all due respect to the principles >> of justice, if Kevin can in any way plead to >> "time served" then he would be stupid not to... > >and > >> Anything that Kevin and his lawyer have not been >> allowed to review can be petitioned as >> inadmissable by Kevin's attorney. Although the >> piece of shit judge they have in L.A. will >> probably admit it anyway, I doubt seriously if >> the supreme court will. Its just too blatantly >> abusive. > > >au contraire, mon frere, au contraire. snip snip blah blah Look. All of your comments are truly valid. However, the courts have already proven that they are not above trampling all over Kevin's constitutional rights. If everyone played by the rules then I would agree with you. But they through the rule book out the door... Kevin Mitnick is NOT going to get a fair shake plain and simple. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 16:06:05 -0500 From: Mike Blaguszewski Subject: Re: Re: [mitnick] Kevin still in Jail On 11/17/98 at 1:14 AM, Bobwil623@aol.com wrote: > pleading guilty to crimes alleged by federal authorities has lifelong > implications. it's not merely about "doin' the time" if you've done the > crime, but rather it's about the implications for when you get out of > prison. > first, and some might say most importantly, if you haven't committed the > crimes to which you pled ("plead"? past tense of "to plead" is what i'm > looking for here), there's an enormous amount of cognitive dissonance > that can result. to wit: "why didn't i fight it out? am i a chump for > having pled guilty when i know i didn't do what i was accused of?" etc., > etc., etc. kind of what cops go through when their partner gets shot to > death, and they survive. a great deal of self-doubt can come to the fore > if one's not done a great deal of introspection and healing work. > > then there are the real-life problems: if paroled, parole officers and > their nonsense for years. no credit. no yob. not even a mc-yob. no > vote. "have you ever been convicted or plead guilty to a felony" > questions from prospective employers. media articles about you that > routinely reference the fact that you plead guilty. the list is a long > one, but i'm sure those give an idea. This still is not a convincing argument for why Kevin should not plead guilty to time served. If convicted, then he will suffer most of the inconveniences that you mention, as well as _at least_ several more years in jail. So if he were to turn down a plea bargain like that, he would have to be strongly convinced that he would win in court. Of course, the USG would only give him a "time served" plea bargain deal if they thought he had a good chance of winning, so I doubt Kevin will even get the chance. Mike Blaguszewski ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 16:31:39 -0400 From: che guevara Subject: Re: [mitnick] Kevin still in Jail and French Guinea Lingus wrote: > where else dothey speak french as the prevailing language...? > > Not to mention Canada and parts of South Florida. > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - -- che guevara "I know you've come to kill me. Shoot, coward, you're only going to kill a man" [Che Guevara] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 13:41:43 -0800 (PST) From: CandyMan Subject: Re: [mitnick] msg from agent steal Every word you speak reeks of vaseline and shit. Wow! What a combination! And to think after all this time, I believed they were on to something, when they discovered how to comingle melted milk chocolate and roasted almonds. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 14:26:23 PST From: "TelePhreak ." Subject: Re: [mitnick] Flyers. would kevin really want this kind of publicity? - - - - - - - - ->Phone Rangers<- - - - - - - - - - - F -TelePhreak R Email: AcidHak@Hotmail.com E mIRC: TelePhrk E ICQ: 10886438 K Aol Instant Messanger: TelePhrk 0 E NPA: 908 (NJ) V http://phonerangers.home.ml.org/ I http://welcome.to/phonerangers N - - - - - - - - ->Phone Rangers<- - - - - - - - - - - ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 20:40:13 -0500 (EST) From: Wenk Subject: Re: [mitnick] msg from agent steal yeah rotten that was a really intellegent thing for you to say. Thats the kind of close mindedness that we need here.> *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* E-mail: pwenk02@sequent1.providence.edu pwenk@suffolk.lib.ny.us Aim: Freekdm *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* On Mon, 16 Nov 1998, rOTTEN wrote: > > > Stop your sniveling apologist bullshit. > > > Every word you speak reeks of vaseline and shit. > > > Stop trying to suck our dicks. You don't turn us on. > > > > <..rOTTEN..> > > nobody move, nobody get hurt > > error187(1) critical failure > - - - - - > To do: 1) Update my "To do" list. > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 05:32:19 -0800 (PST) From: Joseph Heinkel Subject: Re: [mitnick] Re: msg from justin petersen - the last, i hope. - ---Bobwil623@aol.com wrote: > > what does justin petersen "have coming" as karmic payback for his crimes > in offense of ethics and morality? hmmm? my guess is his neck is gonna > get one helluva crick in it from trying to look behind him all the > time.... i give him 6 months to a year before he's dragged back to the > u.s. > Isn't he HIV positive? Sounds like a suitable "karmic payback" to me... Kevin Mitnick spends a few years in jail, Petersen gets the death sentence. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 15:16:18 -0800 From: Benjamin Dylan Subject: [mitnick] Lawyer I need a lawyer so that i can ask him some quesions about something that happend to me at skool if you are one, please Email me ASAP MoreGameThanYou@MindSpring.com thanx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 16:25:59 -0800 From: Brian Subject: OFFTOPIC Re: [mitnick] Lawyer - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 At 15:16 11/18/98 , you wrote: >I need a lawyer so that i can ask him some quesions about something that >happend to me at skool if you are one, please Email me ASAP >MoreGameThanYou@MindSpring.com >thanx Um, I dont quite remember who the lawyers were on this forum. I would like to know because I to am having some problems. I have some questions that i would like to ask about rights and the school system, specifically in California. -brain kandy- Free Kevin Mitnick - Visit www.kevinmitnick.com ICQ: 6635525 AIM: Msie Kandy E-mail: brainkandy@mindspring.com - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.5.3 iQA/AwUBNlNlli7sph9laBOUEQJV3gCg+gMn4eGagxPOHmEbAgoVGVsb21sAoMJq gSS0POKvvl336H89mCEjsXP/ =2DhT - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 16:40:58 -0800 From: Internet for All Customer Service Subject: Re: [mitnick] Lawyer Call 1800-THE-LAW2 so you can ask them all your problems and not us. Benjamin Dylan wrote: > > I need a lawyer so that i can ask him some quesions about something that > happend to me at skool if you are one, please Email me ASAP > MoreGameThanYou@MindSpring.com > thanx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 16:48:51 -0800 From: Benjamin Dylan Subject: Re: [mitnick] Lawyer At 04:40 PM 11/18/98 , you wrote: >Call 1800-THE-LAW2 so you can ask them all your problems and not us. > Well the whole thing is that i dont wanna pay anything to to talk to 1 so please, i know that there has to be one ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 18:27:28 -0800 (PST) From: rOTTEN Subject: Re: [mitnick] Lawyer On Wed, 18 Nov 1998, Benjamin Dylan wrote: > At 04:40 PM 11/18/98 , you wrote: > >Call 1800-THE-LAW2 so you can ask them all your problems and not us. > > > Well the whole thing is that i dont wanna pay anything to to talk to 1 so > please, i know that there has to be one I believe that 1-800-THE-LAW2 will give you a free consultation. At any rate, consult your local bar agency and maybe they can refer you to a pro-bono lawyer. <..rOTTEN..> nobody move, nobody get hurt error187(1) critical failure - - - - - - To do: 1) Update my "To do" list. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 18:48:38 -0800 From: Internet for All Customer Service Subject: Re: [mitnick] Lawyer Ya gotta remember, lawyers are not there to provide a service, so you're bound to have to pay something, unless you get a public defender. Benjamin Dylan wrote: > > At 04:40 PM 11/18/98 , you wrote: > >Call 1800-THE-LAW2 so you can ask them all your problems and not us. > > > Well the whole thing is that i dont wanna pay anything to to talk to 1 so > please, i know that there has to be one ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 21:26:21 -0800 From: "Mike Sonni" Subject: Re: OFFTOPIC Re: [mitnick] Lawyer My father is a Californian lawyer. I'm studying to be a lawyer also. I also am very familiar with the California School System. Ask away :) - -Mike Sonni - -----Original Message----- From: Brian To: mitnick@2600.com Date: Wednesday, November 18, 1998 4:33 PM Subject: OFFTOPIC Re: [mitnick] Lawyer >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >At 15:16 11/18/98 , you wrote: >>I need a lawyer so that i can ask him some quesions about something that >>happend to me at skool if you are one, please Email me ASAP >>MoreGameThanYou@MindSpring.com >>thanx > >Um, I dont quite remember who the lawyers were on this forum. I would like >to know because I to am having some problems. > >I have some questions that i would like to ask about rights and the school >system, specifically in California. > > > -brain kandy- > >Free Kevin Mitnick - Visit www.kevinmitnick.com >ICQ: 6635525 AIM: Msie Kandy >E-mail: brainkandy@mindspring.com > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.5.3 > >iQA/AwUBNlNlli7sph9laBOUEQJV3gCg+gMn4eGagxPOHmEbAgoVGVsb21sAoMJq >gSS0POKvvl336H89mCEjsXP/ >=2DhT >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 10:56:34 EST From: Bobwil623@aol.com Subject: [mitnick] nice touch, justin... congrats on the involuntary "unsubscribe," justin -- "too-shay" as they say in francais.... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 12:07:47 -0800 From: "Caliban Tiresias Darklock" Subject: Re: [mitnick] the best quote from that USAAG's speech.... - -----Original Message----- From: Bobwil623@aol.com To: mitnick@2600.com Date: Tuesday, November 17, 1998 10:20 AM Subject: [mitnick] the best quote from that USAAG's speech.... >> he could have used the stolen credit card >> numbers to defraud thousands of consumers. > >interesting switch, isn't it, to suggest that such an action would >defraud *consumers* instead of *the credit card company*? aww, it was >probably just a typo. Technicalities... The credit card company has thousands of employees who are all consumers. When the company is defrauded, then all of its employees are defrauded. The credit card company will pass the costs of credit card fraud through to its customers who are all by definition consumers. A salient factor of credit card number theft is that customers are only liable for $50 of the unauthorised charges (which is enough in and of itself to mean defrauding customers), but they are generally required to report the card stolen first. If only the number is stolen and not the physical card, the customer has no clue the card has been stolen, is therefore unable to report the situation, and may as a result be held liable for ALL charges. I have never heard of this happening, since it would really peg the credit card company as a bunch of dillweeds and they could probably be sued over it, but it *could* theoretically happen. > ...-- the Wizard, in a loud voice once his > curtain was pulled aside by either Dorothy, > the Tin Man, or Toto (can't remember which; > someone go see the re-release and get back > to the list with the right citation....) It was Toto. ------------------------------ End of mitnick-digest V1 #199 *****************************