mitnick-digest Friday, November 27 1998 Volume 01 : Number 202 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 14:58:13 EST From: SkyFireZ@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] another post from agent steal Hell if i were a sysop, i would encourage harmless hacks. Its like getting a security check for free..... Sky ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 15:06:47 EST From: SkyFireZ@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] what am i gonna do now? In a message dated 11/25/98 8:52:34 AM Pacific Standard Time, cguevara@mindless.com writes: << i think that they might replace the little N with a little AOL symbol and I can't stand that >> I complely agree. They did that with Explorer... at least when you were using the original microsoft ie, you thought it was going faster than aol. But when you put the little aol sign on it, you know youve just been fooling yourself. AcidRayne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 15:08:36 EST From: SkyFireZ@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] What People Have Done In a message dated 11/25/98 10:53:39 AM Pacific Standard Time, acidhak@hotmail.com writes: << thanks to those who made banners (which i could use for my site) thanks to those who spread the word to all thanks to good people fighting on kevins side thanks to all the high school teachers for taking the time to listen to some of their students words on kevin. >> YAY!! Youre talking about me!! (i feel important) AcidRayne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 15:20:56 EST From: SkyFireZ@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] What People Have Done In a message dated 11/25/98 11:58:13 AM Pacific Standard Time, EmpAllin@aol.com writes: << > thanks to those who spread the word to all > thanks to good people fighting on kevins side > thanks to all the high school teachers for taking the time to listen to > some of their students words on kevin. > > > any more? >> Yeah i have a few more..... Thanks to me for yelling "FREE KEVIN" at the Korn concert. Thanks to Pestilence for backin me up with my teacher Thanks to Pop-Sickle for having that cool name And thanks to anybody whos reading this for finishing the end of this waste of time ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 15:32:32 -0600 From: Jaeger Subject: [mitnick] harmless hacking [off-topic] well, I am a sysop, and I DO encourage people to try and crack my security... so far, it's only happened once... usually, I discover a flaw and patch it before anyone else can exploit it... it's kinda funny watching other people come in and attempt to use a hole that I just patched... I can usually tell when someone is maliciously doing it... the one time my security was breeched (to my knowledge) the guy tried to make a trojan, and hid the portion that he had completed using the alt-255 DOS trick... I just watched him and went in and took it back out, then closed the hole he used. I even allowed him to keep his account... Jaeger > Hell if i were a sysop, i would encourage harmless hacks. Its like > getting a > security check for free..... > > Sky ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 16:42:07 EST From: JAKade@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] what am i gonna do now? In a message dated 11/24/98 5:47:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, dredd@megacity.org writes: > Has the browser somehow changed since yesterday when it wasn't owned by > AOL? > > > AOL bought netscape...need good mac browser, please help!!! ::sigh:: You wouldn't understand. It's a matter of principle. Now I have to get Opera...sigh... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 17:02:09 -0500 (EST) From: "Aaron D. Ball" Subject: Re: non-[mitnick] what am i gonna do now? Those of us who write off-topic posts to the mitnick list should at least keep the subject line up-to-date; better yet, let's just let this die. This isn't even topic drift -- the original post was completely irrelevant. On Wed, 25 Nov 1998 JAKade@aol.com wrote: # In a message dated 11/24/98 5:47:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, # dredd@megacity.org writes: # # > Has the browser somehow changed since yesterday when it wasn't owned by # > AOL? # > # > > AOL bought netscape...need good mac browser, please help!!! # # ::sigh:: You wouldn't understand. It's a matter of principle. Now I have to # get Opera...sigh... The principle being "I can get it for free"? Or "40L 5uX!!1!11!"? Nutscrape certainly isn't Free Software, if that's what you mean. And AOL's acquisition didn't change its licensing terms. And Mozilla will continue to be Free under AOL's reign. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 14:05:48 -0800 (PST) From: rOTTEN Subject: Re: [mitnick] what am i gonna do now? Thank you for your editorial on America Online. There will be a job waiting for you at the Chicago Tribune. You'll have to share donuts with Roger Ebert, but I'm sure he won't mind. Or was it Gene Siskel? rOTTEN On Wed, 25 Nov 1998 SkyFireZ@aol.com wrote: > Hey, > When it comes to aol (and i know im using it right now, so dont think im > just backin myself up here) I find that its a good place to talk to people. > Granted, the browserr sucks, and it costs too much, but I'm not paying for it > so who am I to complain?? It seems to me that a lot of people just say that > aol sucks b/c thats what they are hearing from other people...aol doesnt do > what its advertised to do, and thats get you to the internet easily, but it > has it's benifits here and there. > (aol by the way, is not my only ip) > > But i have to agree with the Microsoft thing. Most of microsofts products just > plain suck, and cost waaaay too much. Microsoft has to remember who they are > supplying sometimes, because lots of (dare i say) kids, dont have the cash.... > > AcidRayne > <..rOTTEN..> nobody move, nobody get hurt error187(1) critical failure - - - - - - To do: 1) Update my "To do" list. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 14:07:20 -0800 (PST) From: rOTTEN Subject: Re: [mitnick] What People Have Done On Wed, 25 Nov 1998 SkyFireZ@aol.com wrote: > YAY!! Youre talking about me!! (i feel important) > > AcidRayne Look dumb-ass, aw nevermind. <..rOTTEN..> nobody move, nobody get hurt error187(1) critical failure - - - - - - To do: 1) Update my "To do" list. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 17:14:51 -0400 From: che guevara Subject: Re: [mitnick] what am i gonna do now? i had aol. i hated it SkyFireZ@aol.com wrote: > Hey, > When it comes to aol (and i know im using it right now, so dont think im > just backin myself up here) I find that its a good place to talk to people. > Granted, the browserr sucks, and it costs too much, but I'm not paying for it > so who am I to complain?? It seems to me that a lot of people just say that > aol sucks b/c thats what they are hearing from other people...aol doesnt do > what its advertised to do, and thats get you to the internet easily, but it > has it's benifits here and there. > (aol by the way, is not my only ip) > > But i have to agree with the Microsoft thing. Most of microsofts products just > plain suck, and cost waaaay too much. Microsoft has to remember who they are > supplying sometimes, because lots of (dare i say) kids, dont have the cash.... > > AcidRayne - -- che guevara "I never think of the future - it comes soon enough." [albert einstein] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 19:36:27 EST From: SkyFireZ@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] what am i gonna do now? In a message dated 11/25/98 2:05:29 PM Pacific Standard Time, JAKade@aol.com writes: << Has the browser somehow changed since yesterday when it wasn't owned by > AOL? > > > AOL bought netscape...need good mac browser, please help!!! ::sigh:: You wouldn't understand. It's a matter of principle. Now I have to get Opera...sigh... >> ****************** I have to disagree. Who in their right mind wouldnt want to make some $$? I mean netscape is probably makin big bucks off this and i think thats just fine. Just b/c they sold to aol, that doesnt make their browser any worse...It's still the great netscape that we always used. Plus, if it wasnt for people like us, netscape wouldnt have been so popular anyhow....so whos to blame? The creator, or whats been created?? ::small grin:: AcidRayne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 19:38:38 EST From: SkyFireZ@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] what am i gonna do now? In a message dated 11/25/98 2:32:35 PM Pacific Standard Time, rotten@cyberverse.com writes: << Thank you for your editorial on America Online. There will be a job waiting for you at the Chicago Tribune. You'll have to share donuts with Roger Ebert, but I'm sure he won't mind. Or was it Gene Siskel? rOTTEN >> Hey, this was probably supposed to be an insult of some type, but i dont mind sharing my donuts........ AcidRayne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 19:41:08 EST From: SkyFireZ@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] what am i gonna do now? In a message dated 11/25/98 2:42:59 PM Pacific Standard Time, cguevara@mindless.com writes: << i had aol. i hated it >> I know that when it comes to information, especially about hacking, aol isnt the place to go. But if youre bored off your ass, its something to do..... AcidRayne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 17:14:42 -0800 (PST) From: Chef Botulism Subject: Re: [mitnick] another post from agent steal - ---rOTTEN wrote: > > Vaseline and shit...that's all you spew, Petersen. > Ah, there's that recipe I mispalced. Which reminds me, Happy Thanksgiving! _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 17:21:28 -0800 (PST) From: rOTTEN Subject: Re: [mitnick] what am i gonna do now? On Wed, 25 Nov 1998 SkyFireZ@aol.com wrote: > ::sigh:: You wouldn't understand. It's a matter of principle. Now I have to > get Opera...sigh... Dear Kevin Mitnick List, I have to get my VD taken care of. Does anyone know of any decent free clinics in the East L.A. area? I like to travel. It burns when I urinate. Thanks, rOTTEN ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 20:30:25 EST From: Phoenxknt@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] what am i gonna do now? In a message dated 98-11-25 20:22:34 EST, you write: << Dear Kevin Mitnick List, I have to get my VD taken care of. Does anyone know of any decent free clinics in the East L.A. area? I like to travel. It burns when I urinate. Thanks, rOTTEN >> Spoofer? I noticed there's a lack of a sig-line. - -AM ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 18:35:18 PST From: ". ." Subject: Re: [mitnick] The Peterson BS I agree with the position on harmless hacking. I have been hacking for some time now and haven't hurt myself once yet. However, I am concerned with aquiring a computer virus. Should I continue wearing the mask and gloves? > >i agree with most of the stuff peterson was talking about except two >major statments.... > >the one about no such things as harmless hacking... > >i disagree with you, harmless hacking is penatrating a system and >deleting files, or coping file with the intent for personal >gain(knowledge not being a type of gain), Basically just raising >anarchy.. > >Harmless hacking is....penatrating a system and exploring it finding >holes (either leaving them alone or fixing them) and just leaving. > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 18:34:57 -0800 From: Brian Subject: Re: [mitnick] what am i gonna do now? - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I dont think so. i think he is just adding to the list's corruptness when shit gets totally outta whack, like the netscape-aol thing. > >Spoofer? I noticed there's a lack of a sig-line. > >-AM (Look, my sig! i aint spoofin!!!) -brain kandy- Free Kevin Mitnick - Visit www.kevinmitnick.com ICQ: 6635525 AIM: Msie Kandy E-mail: brainkandy@mindspring.com - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.5.3 iQA/AwUBNly+US7sph9laBOUEQJEggCfcm2Um67Y6jUWf+FPiWLyNeqKRJ4An0lV 5gJRlLONHMbjT0zmIYl8mBfX =0VR0 - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 21:27:06 -0800 From: Internet for All Customer Service Subject: Re: [mitnick] what am i gonna do now? OK. So you're telling us that you would pay $21.95 just "for something to do"? Why don't you do community service, helping others, or masterbate, if you are that bored? SkyFireZ@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 11/25/98 2:42:59 PM Pacific Standard Time, > cguevara@mindless.com writes: > > << i had aol. i hated it >> > I know that when it comes to information, especially about hacking, aol isnt > the place to go. But if youre bored off your ass, its something to do..... > > AcidRayne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 17:14:02 +1100 From: Grant Watson Subject: Re: [mitnick] What People Have Done Hahah maybe we should write a song about kevin.. any of u's pro music people? I can do lyrics.... SkyFireZ@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 11/25/98 11:58:13 AM Pacific Standard Time, > EmpAllin@aol.com writes: > > << > thanks to those who spread the word to all > > thanks to good people fighting on kevins side > > thanks to all the high school teachers for taking the time to listen to > > some of their students words on kevin. > > > > > > any more? > >> > > Yeah i have a few more..... > > Thanks to me for yelling "FREE KEVIN" at the Korn concert. > Thanks to Pestilence for backin me up with my teacher > Thanks to Pop-Sickle for having that cool name > And thanks to anybody whos reading this for finishing the end of this waste of > time - -- Grant Watson http://www.rpi.net.au/~gwatson E-Mail: gwatson@rpi.net.au ICQ #: 3138337 - -- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 23:13:17 -0800 From: Caliban Tiresias Darklock Subject: Re: [mitnick] what am i gonna do now? On 05:14 PM 11/25/98 -0400, I personally witnessed che guevara jumping up to say: >i had aol. i hated it I worked at AOL. I hated them. I still do. Note that I hate AOL the *company*, not the people on it. Sure many of them are new to computers and don't know squat, but we all started there at one time or another. I don't hate the service itself, either. Sure it's buggy and slow and crappy, but what isn't? I hate having to put disclaimers on everything I write, too. And as usual, I'm now going to spout off a little about the reputation of hackers and various generalities that are of dubious value. I think out loud a lot. I could make some observations here about how if we were really interested in sharing information and making the world a better place, we would be teaching these people things, and then hackers would be seen as helpful and not dangerous. But if I did that, it would be the same sort of sweeping generalisation as "hackers suck" is in the first place. It seems that there are two sides to every story (and two sides to every lie, to quote a recent motion picture logline) and that for every person who will be grateful for your help there will be someone who thinks you're calling him a moron and takes definite offense. Likewise, "dangerous" is not always a bad thing in people's eyes (lots of people still post dumb messages on every hacker forum they can find asking how to hack into systems and write viruses and other such stuff). For every sysadmin who will do his best to see to it that you never get access to his network and go to jail as soon as he can find something to report to the cops, there's some starry-eyed kid who just saw Wargames (or Hackers, which had infinitely more beautiful visuals and soundtrack, for all its technical inaccuracy and fluff) and wants to go out and hack IBM for Jesus or something. Something we may want to ask ourselves is, what have we done to help Kevin? Not just in the shortsighted sense of the government treating him like a prisoner of war, but also in the sense of trying to attack the root cause of the problem -- the image of hackers, the misreporting in the news media, the lack of public awareness -- as well? There's been a great little thread of giving credit where it's due on the list, but instead of standing up and saying "I did X for Kevin" -- although saying "X did Y for Kevin" is certainly a nice thing when people think it's warranted -- it might be fruitful for each of us just to sit down for a minute or two each night and think about what we've done to repair and/or damage the situation. We all have different ideas of what constitutes "enough" on our part, so it could be counterproductive to say "I bought some bumper stickers" or the like publicly... we have people investing a lot more time and a lot more effort in the cause, and some of them may feel like what *they* do isn't enough. I think the thing is for each of us to be able to think to ourselves that we've done *something* we consider a meaningful contribution. Some of us may think reading the list and keeping up to date on the issue is enough. Others may think we should all donate thousands of dollars to Kevin's defense. Whether either of these thoughts is accurate isn't really important; what's important is that all of us can feel like we're doing enough, based on our own personal understandings of what that is. - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- As the fire burneth a wood, and the flame setteth the mountains on fire; So persecute them with thy tempest, and make them afraid with thy storm. - ---------------------------[ Psalms, 83:14-15 ]--------------------------- Caliban Tiresias Darklock | "Hell, you don't Darklock Communications | know me." FREE KEVIN MITNICK! | - Charles Manson - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- And remember, if you don't kiss Hank's ass he'll kick the shit out of you. - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 05:53:04 PST From: "Kamikaze Kaze" Subject: [mitnick] do this... Sorry, i`m just a beginner at ie, mail somone else. aldough i would like it if you wanted to keep mailing me. Anna. The Scout... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 14:21:12 EST From: Phoenxknt@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] what am i gonna do now? In a message dated 98-11-26 00:27:58 EST, you write: << OK. So you're telling us that you would pay $21.95 just "for something to do"? Why don't you do community service, helping others, or masterbate, if you are that bored? >> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 14:22:49 EST From: Phoenxknt@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] what am i gonna do now? (ignore last message) In a message dated 98-11-26 00:27:58 EST, you write: << OK. So you're telling us that you would pay $21.95 just "for something to do"? Why don't you do community service, helping others, or masterbate, if you are that bored? >> You prolly know alot about the last thing you mentioned, Sorry I don't use a work ISP. And a shared account at that. - -AM ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 21:53:43 +0000 From: kerry Subject: [mitnick] Latest motions in the case available on site maybe this will help take everyone's mind off aol/netscape/whatever :) http://www.kevinmitnick.com/113098cmotion.html is the motion filed Nov 24th for continuance of the trial date currently set for January. The reasons for the requested continuance are all clearly laid out in the document, and include the government's failure to provide evidence to the Defense as they are required to, and also evidence that the government was aware an informant was working for Kevin's then-attorney. Kevin Poulsen's latest article, already posted here the other day (first article listed on http://www.kevinmitnick.com/news.html) is a good summary of the implications. http://www.kevinmitnick.com/113098dmotion.html is the motion filed the same day requesting the government produce discovery it has been late with, and some which it failed to produce at all. Neither of these is very long, and they're definitely worth a read... ********************************************************** F R E E K E V I N http://www.KevinMitnick.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 18:04:50 PST From: "AnGeL oF DeAtH" Subject: Re: [mitnick] do this... did I miss something or is this message extremly irrelivant? please clue me in... _______________________________________ | | |AnGel oF DeATh | |We all go sometime | |---------------------------------------| |ICQ-->8369754 | |E-Mail-->hells_angels_666@hotmail.com | |---------------------------------------| |FREE KEVIN | |_______________________________________| ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 19:17:12 PST From: "TelePhreak ." Subject: [mitnick] Kevin and ZDTV After a long thanksgiving day, i laid in bed and decided to watch a little ZDTV. Well one of there little news updates flashed up and it began to mention how a bunch of kids were talking over email and setting times to go out and graffti up the neighborhood, and when i thought the stupid new flash was over, she said something in the lines of "Will the goverment Delay jailed h..(studder)hhacker kevin mitnick court case? goto the website to find out." that all they said, it just made me think why the couldnt mention kevin before they mentioned the graffti kids....i dont know...well, i assumed "the website" was zdtv.com so i went: www.zdnet.com/zdtv/zdtvnews had posted on it: Early edition: Is the government playing fair with notorious hacker Kevin Mitnick? 'Kevin Mitnick' was a link to http://www.zdnet.com/zdtv/cybercrime/chaostheory/story/0,3700,2169264,00.html this is the poulsen article, maybe someone else posted this earlier, still its worth the time to read it. HAPPY THANKSGIVING - - - - - - - - ->Phone Rangers<- - - - - - - - - - - F -TelePhreak R Email: AcidHak@Hotmail.com E mIRC: TelePhrk E ICQ: 10886438 K Aol Instant Messanger: TelePhrk 0 E NPA: 908 (NJ) V http://phonerangers.home.ml.org/ I http://welcome.to/phonerangers N - - - - - - - - ->Phone Rangers<- - - - - - - - - - - ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 19:23:11 PST From: "TelePhreak ." Subject: [mitnick] Oh yea, ZDTV Real Audio http://www.zdnet.com/zdtv/cgi-bin/rmplay.cgi?/zdtv/channel/cybercrime/cc_2169551_mit_1125.rm check it out, its somewhat of an interview with kevin poulsen about kevin mitnick's case....i forgot to add it in my last post, forgive me. - - - - - - - - ->Phone Rangers<- - - - - - - - - - - F -TelePhreak R Email: AcidHak@Hotmail.com E mIRC: TelePhrk E ICQ: 10886438 K Aol Instant Messanger: TelePhrk 0 E NPA: 908 (NJ) V http://phonerangers.home.ml.org/ I http://welcome.to/phonerangers N - - - - - - - - ->Phone Rangers<- - - - - - - - - - - ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 21:39:02 -0600 From: "jackdarippa" Subject: Re: [mitnick] what am i gonna do now? - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 hehe, nice try, i checked the sig, it was bad. jackdarippa - - -----Original Message----- From: Brian To: mitnick@2600.com Date: Wednesday, November 25, 1998 9:02 PM Subject: Re: [mitnick] what am i gonna do now? >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >I dont think so. i think he is just adding to the list's corruptness when >shit gets totally outta whack, like the netscape-aol thing. > >> >>Spoofer? I noticed there's a lack of a sig-line. >> >>-AM > > >(Look, my sig! i aint spoofin!!!) > -brain kandy- > >Free Kevin Mitnick - Visit www.kevinmitnick.com >ICQ: 6635525 AIM: Msie Kandy >E-mail: brainkandy@mindspring.com > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.5.3 > >iQA/AwUBNly+US7sph9laBOUEQJEggCfcm2Um67Y6jUWf+FPiWLyNeqKRJ4An0lV >5gJRlLONHMbjT0zmIYl8mBfX >=0VR0 >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.0 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBNl4e1tpIpYADgVGcEQIItACfY08ddhdhefB2c9boa0Dq21+OkMcAoP0E 6NtfJO+wVkKkAXLGFrjJDo+P =X4BG - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 23:35:48 -0500 From: "Thomas Roughley" Subject: [mitnick] Another Slap in the Face I am real tired of this injustice. I dont care what he is accused of doing , he deserves a fair trial with the ability to defend himself. I think this entire thing is rediculous and has been a mockery of the entire justice system. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 23:20:27 -0800 From: Brian Subject: [mitnick] off topic-some words from me - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Ok, check it out. What has this list gotten to? When I first subscribed, there was an off-topic evey once and awhile, i even contributed... but the threads never lasted for days about the LAMEST shit! it seems that all I see on this list now is shit about "oh, well youre wrong, so i am gonna stretch this thread for afew weeks". Its quite sickening. It seems that although there is not too much we can do about km being in jail, we should still keep the list on-topic, because atleast 6 of my friends unsubscribed within a month because of the excess junk mail they got, and the meaningless posts... By the way, everything seems to be whacked with km. heres my reasoning, and some of my questions... 1) the government is fucked for leaving him to rot for almost 4 years 2) screaming free kevin isnt gonna help him get out. it may get the word out, but then what next? 3) kevin is somewhat in the wrong for even doing the stuff he did 4) if kevin were to get out after his trial, then what? 5) if kevin stays in jail after his trian, then what? alright, i think everything i have had to say that has built up has been said. -brain kandy- Free Kevin Mitnick - Visit www.kevinmitnick.com ICQ: 6635525 AIM: Msie Kandy E-mail: brainkandy@mindspring.com - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.5.3 iQA/AwUBNl5Suy7sph9laBOUEQJgaQCcDRri10qttts7eRjGZpgPMiKqh7wAoLsR ee5cqzXUboUVi2q/T0b6c2Bx =fr03 - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 16:39:35 +1000 From: Reeza! Subject: [mitnick] Re: Red Meat At 01:18 PM 11/12/98 -0800, Hardrock Llewynyth wrote: > - --snip-- >hardrock > >-- >"I will not eat any animal that has ever been a cartoon character." > --Dave Lister > Why doesn't he just come out and say that he is a vegan? May it be inferred that you are as well, hardrock? Reeza! If you see a man approaching you with the obvious intention of doing you good, you should run for your life. -stolen from a cypherpunk sig ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 08:48:12 EST From: SkyFireZ@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] what am i gonna do now? In a message dated 11/25/98 5:45:45 PM Pacific Standard Time, rotten@cyberverse.com writes: << Dear Kevin Mitnick List, I have to get my VD taken care of. >> Hey Rotten, I like your style.... but im not the one who wrote about opera...(in reference to the reply) just to clarify. AcidRayne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 08:52:56 EST From: SkyFireZ@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] what am i gonna do now? In a message dated 11/25/98 9:52:46 PM Pacific Standard Time, service@internetforall.com writes: << OK. So you're telling us that you would pay $21.95 just "for something to do"? >> Who says I pay for it? AcidRayne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 08:57:52 EST From: SkyFireZ@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] What People Have Done In a message dated 11/25/98 10:42:43 PM Pacific Standard Time, gwatson@rpi.net.au writes: << Hahah maybe we should write a song about kevin.. any of u's pro music people? I can do lyrics.... >> Hey im down for music if ya want..... AcidRayne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 09:09:41 EST From: SkyFireZ@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] Another Slap in the Face In a message dated 11/26/98 9:03:47 PM Pacific Standard Time, troughle@unix.asb.com writes: << I think this entire thing is rediculous and has been a mockery of the entire justice system. >> I would agree with you, but I dont think it makes a mockery, because there really is nothing to mock. The justice system has been like this for years, and this just proves it. Dont be fooled into thinking this is the first time something like this has happened..... This time we notice it and it affects us because its happening to one of our friends. AcidRayne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 09:14:05 EST From: SkyFireZ@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] off topic-some words from me In a message dated 11/26/98 11:48:09 PM Pacific Standard Time, brainkandy@mindspring.com writes: << screaming free kevin isnt gonna help him get out. it may get the word out, but then what next? >> Not to be too political, but if the government sees that a percentage of the people aren't pleased, and they see money slipping from their hands, they'll let him out before you know it. The sooner the general public knows about it, the sooner Mr. Mitnick goes home. AcidRayne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 07:23:51 PST From: "Kamikaze Kaze" Subject: Re: [mitnick] what am i gonna do now? I`m not saying anything like that. Anna. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 07:26:32 PST From: "Kamikaze Kaze" Subject: [none] I totally agree, can`t anyone just kill every politicians or something so we could make a new goverment? Anna. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 10:25:59 -0500 From: gjones@raleigh.ibm.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] Another Slap in the Face Here Here!! troughle@unix.asb.com on 11-26-98 11:35:48 PM Please respond to mitnick@2600.com To: mitnick@2600.com cc: (bcc: Gregory Jones/NWSMEL) Subject: [mitnick] Another Slap in the Face I am real tired of this injustice. I dont care what he is accused of doing , he deserves a fair trial with the ability to defend himself. I think this entire thing is rediculous and has been a mockery of the entire justice system. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 07:28:54 PST From: "Kamikaze Kaze" Subject: [mitnick] helo sorry i`m no pro musican, but i do kinow someone that is god with his guitarr. Want his e-mail? Anna. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 07:40:32 PST From: "Kamikaze Kaze" Subject: [mitnick] Hacking the goverment computers... I agree. Let`s hack the u.s goverments database, crash their systems, mailbomb them with miljons of letters a minute and fill their computers with viruses until it spills over the top! Don`t you agree people? Anna. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 07:54:04 -0800 From: Internet for All Customer Service Subject: Re: [mitnick] what am i gonna do now? Somebody has to pay it. SkyFireZ@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 11/25/98 9:52:46 PM Pacific Standard Time, > service@internetforall.com writes: > > << OK. So you're telling us that you would pay $21.95 just "for something to > do"? >> > > Who says I pay for it? > > AcidRayne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 11:02:54 EST From: Bobwil623@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] ON topic-some words from me #2 brainkandy wrote... > ...we should still keep the list on-topic, > because atleast 6 of my friends unsubscribed > within a month because of the excess junk mail > they got, and the meaningless posts... this *is* unfortunate... i've had the same experience. > It seems that although there is not too much we > can do about km being in jail... this is something with which i strongly disagree. please see an earlier post of mine that referenced Project Innocence, at Northwestern University, which brought together 75 (!) people who had been convicted of *capital* crimes and who had been full exonerated of the false charges against them. as serious as km's case is, the notion that Project Innocence could help a bunch of people defeat falsified charges and get those people off death row is extremely empowering, and ought to encourage us all in our efforts. > By the way, everything seems to be whacked with > km... "whacked" usually is a synonym for "good," but in reading the rest of your post, it looks like you're using it as a synonym for "screwed". see my next post for ideas about why the case has changed, DRAMATICALLY, and that we have an incredible opportunity to change the course of this case. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 11:04:41 EST From: Bobwil623@aol.com Subject: [mitnick] gov't informant was an employee of kevin's attorney ! ! ! if you haven't studied poulsen's article at zdtv... http://www.zdnet.com/zdtv/cybercrime/chaostheory/story/0,3700,2169264,00.ht ml or the motions now available at http://www.kevinmitnick.com/ ...where poulsen says at the end of part I, "...a dramatic allegation that may...foreshadow a motion to dismiss all charges against the Condor." article continues in part II, > "......Compelling evidence of outrageous > government conduct has been disclosed to the > defense for the first time with the belated > production of its witness statements. Reports > prepared by the FBI create strong inferences > that Ronald Austin, the government's key > informant against the defendants, was > simultaneously a cooperating government > witness/informant and an employee of attorney > Richard Sherman...at the time Mr. Sherman was > representing Kevin Mitnick." i don't know about you all, but this is an extraordinary development in km's case. personally, i'd like to see this on the front page of http://www.kevinmitnick.com, but there may be reasons why that ought to be held in abeyance for awhile.... nonetheless, the idea that the government had *two* informants aimed at mr. mitnick -- one attempting to entrap, and the other one WORKING IN HIS DEFENSE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, handling PRIVILEGED ATTORNEY-CLIENT COMMUNICATIONS WHILE AN INFORMANT FOR THE FBI, is reminiscent of the *most* egregious offenses under cointelpro and j.edgar (the cross-dressing chief of fbi for 40 years or so). currently, in km's case, we see the following circumstances... ============================================================== - - prosecution is nearly 30 days late in producing those witness statements as required by the court - a violation of the discovery order issued by the judge - - apparently, those witness statements contain information indicating that ron austin, who has previously posted to this list was an informant working for FBI handlers reporting on kevin mitnick - - while reporting on km to fbi handlers, ron austin was "simultaneously a cooperating government witness/informant and an employee of attorney Richard Sherman..." smack me when i need it, but what's that smell? is that the smell of government malfeasance? is that the smell of government employees SPYING on attorneys, and using informants to learn details about the privileged attorney-client communciations within attorneys' offices? again, this is an extraordinary development in km's case. i'd encourage anyone interested in doing so to write a an "open letter" to judge pfaelzer, and send it cc: to your local newspaper and your congresspeople (both senators and representatives). watch http://www.kevinmitnick.com/media.html for more sample letters to guide you as you write the letters i've mentioned above... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 09:59:53 -0600 From: "poiSiN" Subject: Re: [mitnick] Hacking the goverment computers... What kind of idiot are you to post this shit? I am sick of these bullshit posts. This is not a hacking mailing list ..it is about Kevin Mitnick....remember him? Stop all this idiotic shit or get the fuck off the list. You ruin it for those of us wanting pertinant information. ~poiSiNous - -----Original Message----- From: Kamikaze Kaze To: mitnick@2600.com Date: Friday, November 27, 1998 9:50 AM Subject: [mitnick] Hacking the goverment computers... >I agree. >Let`s hack the u.s goverments database, crash their systems, mailbomb >them with miljons of letters a minute and fill their computers with >viruses until it spills over the top! >Don`t you agree people? >Anna. > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ------------------------------ End of mitnick-digest V1 #202 *****************************