mitnick-digest Sunday, November 29 1998 Volume 01 : Number 204 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 15:18:54 -0800 (PST) From: rOTTEN Subject: Re: [mitnick] Wanna take a trip On Sun, 29 Nov 1998, Reeza! wrote: > >I counter your difference in opinion by recognition of the high level of > >support that I received from my anti-Kapra post. > > That must have been offlist. certainly. > I agree that it is laughable- but the error of the effort can be pointed > out without ridiculing the person who proposed it. THIS is what I was > calling attention to. Your efforts to make laughing stocks of any who want > to help- instead of suggesting more constructive methods of assistance- > work only to make others less willing to help in the future. Still, I had great fun doing it, and many enjoyed it...that's all that really matters to me. The only reason why you're challenging me now is because it's fun for you. > Besides, no one (except you) has indicated that anything but christian > songs would be sung. Who knows what might be sung? I agree fully. It is unreasonable to think that christian songs would be the only cantos sung at a christmas carol session. Where was my mind when I came up with THAT? > Would your sentiments be appeased if everyone donned yarmulks and took > their song list from the neighborhood rabbi's golden moldies list? I doubt > it. I don't care one way or another. I think that singing in front of a prison is absurd. I'm not jewish, so singing jewish songs doesn't appeal to me either. > Your character, as expressed on this list, would demand this receive > ridicule as well. Try it again. This time use proper grammatical structure. > You can send your reply to dev/null, because that is where I'll send it, > unread. You lie. You know you'll read it. I'm the only friend you have. <..rOTTEN..> nobody move, nobody get hurt error187(1) critical failure - - - - - - To do: 1) Update my "To do" list. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 18:10:19 -0800 (PST) From: Timothy Leary Subject: Re: [mitnick] Wanna take a trip Hey, I have a smashing idea! Why don't we all go on a trip? Seriously. We could all agree on a designated date and time, remain wherever we are, and think of Kevin while we simultanously ingest some sort of hallucingenic substance. Now that would be a trip! As far as music is concerned, we could listen to anything we wanted. Chances are, after the first mushroom, you'd be hearing enough to keep you entertained. Well, there are my 2 rubles on the subject. - ---------------------------------------- One day upon the stair. I saw a man who wasn't there. He wasn't there again today. Oh how I wish he'd go away. .TheDeBriefed - ---------------------------------------- _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 22:20:13 -0400 From: che guevara Subject: [mitnick] free kevin chapters - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 well...i don't feel like writing out my whole idea right now, but you know how the American Legion has chapters all over the nation and they all do things? i was thinking maybe incorporating a Free Kevin Mitnick Orginization as a real, non-profit orginization with bylaws and local chapters and a trustees and a chairman and we all go around, like we do know, but have organized protests (like the mirimax one, but more) and maybe have cons, too...just thinking, i'll crank out some more ideas on this later. - - -- che guevara "I never think of the future - it comes soon enough." [albert einstein] - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0 for non-commercial use Charset: noconv iQA/AwUBNmCvPHl9rs+kTRROEQKdQwCcCL+TomdCqwgRDSfeJHqMHQW1K1wAn1+N 8Ikccm9zo/6Liq9YewVnQMAt =52te - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 23:25:39 EST From: SkyFireZ@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] free kevin chapters In a message dated 11/28/98 7:35:14 PM Pacific Standard Time, cguevara@mindless.com writes: << i was thinking maybe incorporating a Free Kevin Mitnick Orginization as a real, non-profit orginization >> Sounds good.... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 23:29:59 EST From: FallOut4E@aol.com Subject: [mitnick] Rotten didn't get enough love as a child Rotten, do us all a favor and shut the FUCK up. It seems the only time you open your mouth is when you feel like flaming someone or making someone feel stupid. It only shows your lack of self-esteem and maturity. I pity you. Stop trying to prove how big your dick is because your shit DOES stink. Get a life, loser. In a message dated 11/28/98 4:08:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, rotten@cyberverse.com writes: > I counter your difference in opinion by recognition of the high level of > support that I received from my anti-Kapra post. > > In this situation, Christmas caroling isn't a show of support, it's an > infliction of one's antiquated religious rituals on those who don't > necessarily want or need to experience it. And with media coverage or > not, it's still laughable. > > It might be an ideal expression if one lived on Candy Cane Lane, but in > real life, the last thing that Mitnick needs is to be "donning his gay > apparel" and "decking his halls with boughs of holly". > > But I can certainly see the validity in your appropriation of your zeal if > I recognize your desire to counter me for the sheer joy of countering me. > > You're the big wheel at the cracker factory now. > > Fa-la-la-la-la. > > Sod. > > rOTTEN > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 14:23:41 +1000 From: Reeza! Subject: Re: [mitnick] Wanna take a trip At 06:10 PM 11/28/98 -0800, Timothy Leary wrote: >Hey, I have a smashing idea! Why don't we all go on a trip? Nice try, sport. Cruising my Trash Bin, I found these. From: electroMagnet From: Stork From: rice patty From: Chef Botulism From: "Mr. MoJo Risen" From: schooner From: TrailWays From: skyking From: Joshua From: aGranRitmo From: WhoreToCulture Just offhand, I'd say you have an identity crisis. Reeza! If you see a man approaching you with the obvious intention of doing you good, you should run for your life. -stolen from a cypherpunk sig ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 21:59:02 -0800 (PST) From: rOTTEN Subject: Re: [mitnick] Rotten didn't get enough love as a child On Sat, 28 Nov 1998 FallOut4E@aol.com wrote: > Rotten, do us all a favor and shut the FUCK up. It seems the only time you > open your mouth is when you feel like flaming someone or making someone feel > stupid. It only shows your lack of self-esteem and maturity. I pity you. > Stop trying to prove how big your dick is because your shit DOES stink. Get a > life, loser. Dear FallOut4E@aol.com, Thank you very much for your kind words. It's always appreciated when someone of such class and sophistication as yourself makes it a point to recognize someone as untouchable as me. You must understand, it's my inability to find a decent VD clinic in East Los Angeles that makes me so ornery and antagonistic. In recognition of your concern, I am not able to make anyone feel stupid. It's the person's lack of intelligence that does that. If you feel stupid because I acknowledge or deride your stupidity, that's not MY fault, that's your fault for being stupid in the first place. With respect to the size of my penis, I'll say this. I'm slightly, though not much, above average...(depending on who you ask) so it's nothing that I'm trying to beat into your skull...though maybe you'd like that? I dunno. I think a better thing to have said would have been, "stop trying to prove that you're an intellectual superior". That's a whole other thing, ya know? You're right, I didn't get much love as a child. But can you blame my parents? I don't think so. So sit back, relax, and enjoy the emails that you'll get saying, "Hey man, nice work bashing rOTTEN!" You're one step closer to achieving your Buddha-nature. Move over Reeza!, FallOut's the new list-hero! Sincerely, <..rOTTEN..> nobody move, nobody get hurt error187(1) critical failure - - - - - - To do: 1) Update my "To do" list. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 23:54:03 -0600 From: "jackdarippa" Subject: Re: [mitnick] Wanna take a trip - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Ok, great, that's just wonderful, great ideas, one qualm tho. >just to remain part of the community as a whole rather than separating >ourselves umm, i hope u don't agree at all because if you knew much at all about judaism, many laws (such as the laws of kashrut) and other things in the religion are made so we WILL be separate. Just felt like letting you know, as a fellow jew... jackdarippa - - -----Original Message----- From: Caliban Tiresias Darklock To: mitnick@2600.com Date: Saturday, November 28, 1998 4:41 PM Subject: Re: [mitnick] Wanna take a trip >On 01:04 PM 11/28/98 -0800, I personally witnessed rOTTEN jumping up to say: >> >>In this situation, Christmas caroling isn't a show of support, it's an >>infliction of one's antiquated religious rituals on those who don't >>necessarily want or need to experience it. > >It still might have been more effective to try something like "Maybe >Christmas caroling isn't the best idea, perhaps we could do something >else." The exchange so far has been: "Hey, let's do something nice for >Kevin during the holidays." -- "You suck, don't you know Kevin is Jewish, >you're forcing your beliefs on him, get a life." > >Never mind that a great number of Jews *do* celebrate Christmas, if only in >a secular sense. (At least one rabbi has *recommended* that Jews do so, >just to remain part of the community as a whole rather than separating >ourselves; he claims this is much of the basis for anti-Semitism. I don't >entirely agree, but I can see his reasoning.) Now, I don't know Kevin >personally, and I know that as a Jew myself *I* find Christmas carolers >offensive... but to say that I feel that way and so too must Kevin is just >plain dumb. Even if we are both Jews or both hackers or both collectors of >animal pornography or whatever parallel anyone feels like drawing. > >You know, maybe it's just me, but I think it's rather nice that people want >to go out and do something nice for Kevin during the holidays. All >religious issues aside. If you think it's offensive (and yeah, I agree, >Christmas carols for Kevin would be rather offensive), fine. But rather >than telling the guy he sucks and should go flush his head down a toilet or >something, why not offer alternatives? For example, I think it would be >really nice if his lawyer would go in to see him and say "Hey, a lot of >people out there really want to do something nice for you this holiday >season, what would you suggest?" > >I mean, we get lists from our family and friends, right? What's on Kevin's >list? What does *he* think we could do for him? > >And you HAVE to admit -- don't you think gathering around and singing >Christmas carols is about the *last* thing a bunch of hackers would ever be >expected to do? That might just screw up a LOT of preconceptions about >hackers. > >I'm going to sit back now and wait for the slew of flames from humorless >people who want to scream that Kevin most certainly does NOT collect animal >pornography. ;) > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- - - --- >As the fire burneth a wood, and the flame setteth the mountains on fire; >So persecute them with thy tempest, and make them afraid with thy storm. >---------------------------[ Psalms, 83:14-15 ]--------------------------- >Caliban Tiresias Darklock | "Hell, you don't >Darklock Communications | know me." >FREE KEVIN MITNICK! | - Charles Manson >----------------------------------------------------------------------- - - --- >And remember, if you don't kiss Hank's ass he'll kick the shit out of you. >----------------------------------------------------------------------- - - --- > - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.0 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBNmDhetpIpYADgVGcEQIboACg6EYA2C8N0kIWLEbf3PWTYmkmRyoAoPSX /ANJ090RsEI/G2g9vr41hJ4m =Lkrz - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 00:08:19 -0600 From: "jackdarippa" Subject: Re: [mitnick] Rotten didn't get enough love as a child - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Rotten, you just made fun of a guy for doing the exact same thing you do all the time....flaming. You sure catch on quick. jackdarippa - - -----Original Message----- From: rOTTEN To: mitnick@2600.com Date: Sunday, November 29, 1998 12:23 AM Subject: Re: [mitnick] Rotten didn't get enough love as a child >On Sat, 28 Nov 1998 FallOut4E@aol.com wrote: > >> Rotten, do us all a favor and shut the FUCK up. It seems the only time you >> open your mouth is when you feel like flaming someone or making someone feel >> stupid. It only shows your lack of self-esteem and maturity. I pity you. >> Stop trying to prove how big your dick is because your shit DOES stink. Get a >> life, loser. > >Dear FallOut4E@aol.com, > >Thank you very much for your kind words. It's always appreciated when >someone of such class and sophistication as yourself makes it a point >to recognize someone as untouchable as me. > >You must understand, it's my inability to find a decent VD clinic in East >Los Angeles that makes me so ornery and antagonistic. > >In recognition of your concern, I am not able to make anyone feel stupid. >It's the person's lack of intelligence that does that. If you feel stupid >because I acknowledge or deride your stupidity, that's not MY fault, >that's your fault for being stupid in the first place. > >With respect to the size of my penis, I'll say this. I'm slightly, though >not much, above average...(depending on who you ask) so it's nothing that >I'm trying to beat into your skull...though maybe you'd like that? I >dunno. I think a better thing to have said would have been, "stop trying >to prove that you're an intellectual superior". That's a whole other >thing, ya know? > >You're right, I didn't get much love as a child. But can you blame my >parents? I don't think so. > >So sit back, relax, and enjoy the emails that you'll get saying, "Hey man, >nice work bashing rOTTEN!" You're one step closer to achieving your >Buddha-nature. > >Move over Reeza!, FallOut's the new list-hero! > >Sincerely, > > > <..rOTTEN..> > > nobody move, nobody get hurt > > error187(1) critical failure >- - - - - > To do: 1) Update my "To do" list. > > > - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.0 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBNmDk0tpIpYADgVGcEQJzgwCeIroOITiP7vVhTrH7csB2QEag+6QAnjk1 jmu63MxTz+vMuWixWr6yCrXb =vGmc - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 15:54:08 +1000 From: Reeza! Subject: Re: [mitnick] Rotten didn't get enough love as a child At 09:59 PM 11/28/98 -0800, rOTTEN wrote: > >Move over Reeza!, FallOut's the new list-hero! > >Sincerely, > > > <..rOTTEN..> > "we don't need another hero.... we don't need another war,,,," Hmmm. I didn't think of the VFW, the Elks, Moose, are there any Masons on the list? Reeza! If you see a man approaching you with the obvious intention of doing you good, you should run for your life. -stolen from a cypherpunk sig ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 00:32:12 -0800 From: Caliban Tiresias Darklock Subject: Re: [mitnick] Rotten didn't get enough love as a child On 09:59 PM 11/28/98 -0800, I personally witnessed rOTTEN jumping up to say: > >In recognition of your concern, I am not able to make anyone feel stupid. Perhaps it would have been more effective to say that you have a habit of deliberately minimising and publicly ridiculing the efforts and suggestions of other people, which in turn has real psychological effects which are beyond your control. This is a pretty antisocial habit, but presumably you only do it online where there is a much lower risk of getting the living crap kicked out of you. Oh, don't worry, rOTTEN. You're not really affecting anyone. You can tell yourself that with much more certainty when you don't have to look them in the eye. Not that it makes much difference on the other end, of course, but who cares! You'll never meet these people, and even if by some chance you did, they wouldn't recognise you. It's much easier to dehumanise your target when you don't have to look him in the face, isn't it? When you don't have to see that you might have hurt someone very seriously with some snide offhand comment? Oh, but it's just the internet. It doesn't matter to anyone, does it? Doesn't it? >It's the person's lack of intelligence that does that. Actually, it would be a lack of self-confidence, which may in turn stem from the very intelligent observation that some people are smarter than they are. Of course, it is of dubious intelligence to put you into that group, but it would really depend on the specific person doing so. Besides, all other reputation aside, hackers do still have a reputation of being smart. And even though not everyone on this list is a hacker, I think it's safe to say that most members of the list expect that hackers make up a very large part of it -- and that the rest of the list consists of a lot of smart people. Don't we believe -- or at least say we believe -- in intellect being an equal opportunity quality? I mean, anyone can be smart, they just have to have a desire to learn and someone to teach them. Right? How does it affect the desire to learn when people who could obviously fill the role of teacher prefer to stand on top of you and elevate themselves, rather than offer you a hand to step up beside them? Kevin was sold out by other hackers. Why? Are we not on the same side? Do we not believe in the same core principles? What might have gotten into people's heads to say "Kevin should be ratted out and turned in"? Why do I keep asking the same questions? - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- As the fire burneth a wood, and the flame setteth the mountains on fire; So persecute them with thy tempest, and make them afraid with thy storm. - ---------------------------[ Psalms, 83:14-15 ]--------------------------- Caliban Tiresias Darklock | "Hell, you don't Darklock Communications | know me." FREE KEVIN MITNICK! | - Charles Manson - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- And remember, if you don't kiss Hank's ass he'll kick the shit out of you. - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 02:51:28 -0800 (PST) From: rOTTEN Subject: Re: [mitnick] Rotten didn't get enough love as a child On Sun, 29 Nov 1998, Caliban Tiresias Darklock wrote: > It's much easier to dehumanise your target when you don't have to look him > in the face, isn't it? Hell, I "dehumanize" people on a daily basis in the non-computer world. On the other hand, I give people respect where respect is due. As evil as I appear to you and the rest on the list, I am also kind to the same degree...both in real life AND in terminal emulation. > When you don't have to see that you might have hurt > someone very seriously with some snide offhand comment? The day that I change my name to "pLEASANT" is the day that I end the snide comments. Until then, no, I don't care if people can't control their emotions and I don't care if my words are hurtful to them. I'm nice to those who deserve it, and I'm rude to those to deserve it. I respect people's opinions and enthusiasm if they know what they're talking about, if not, I don't respect them. No matter HOW negatively you feel about my commentary, there are many more who have spoken in support of my expressiveness...In fact, with the Christmas carol thing, people that I don't normally get along with too. Since this is such a hot topic (for once) which has sparked much anger toward me (deservedly or not) I'll say: To the gentleman/lady who suggested singing Christmas carols (which sparked this in the first place), how about appropriating the money you'd spend on travel fare, to the Kevin Mitnick Fund...or if you don't want to do THAT, send it to me. I need to get to Nashville. There...now wasn't THAT productive? Now, dear droogs, you may return to the doldrum that is your life. <..rOTTEN..> nobody move, nobody get hurt error187(1) critical failure - - - - - - To do: 1) Update my "To do" list. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 03:20:08 -0800 (PST) From: rOTTEN Subject: [mitnick] Re: [offtopic] Rotten didn't get enough love as a child I'm going to quickly address 4 more points, should you care to read on. BE FOREWARNED: IT'S *ALL* OFF-TOPIC. NOTE: READ THE PREVIOUS LINE AGAIN AND AGAIN BEFORE READING ON. Though technically, that would be inaccurate, since the ONLY topic at this point is my bad attitude. On Sun, 29 Nov 1998, Caliban Tiresias Darklock wrote: > Perhaps it would have been more effective to say that you have a habit of > deliberately minimising and publicly ridiculing the efforts and suggestions > of other people, which in turn has real psychological effects which are > beyond your control. I haven't seen a good suggestion in a LONG time. When people were actually thinking and sharing GOOD ideas I was silent. Despite the occasional stupidity. Or has everyone forgotten that already? All I've seen in the last week are people babbling about AOLers and new web browsers. Then we get someone who wants to sing christmas carols in front of a fucking PRISON of all places. Come ON! > Oh, don't worry, rOTTEN. You're not really affecting anyone. Yes but then you said: > When you don't have to see that you might have hurt > someone very seriously with some snide offhand comment? You see what I'm getting at, right? > How does it affect > the desire to learn when people who could obviously fill the role of > teacher prefer to stand on top of you and elevate themselves, rather than > offer you a hand to step up beside them? I think it was Mr. Miyagi (as portrayed by Noriyuki "Pat" Morita) who said, [paraphrased] "before you can learn how to fly, you must learn how to walk". Let them learn to think, before they can learn to do anything else. You of all people, Caliban, I would expect to agree. I consider you intelligent...but if you don't agree, maybe my judgement is wrong. Maybe you're just articulate and wordy, and not intelligent at all. > Kevin was sold out by other hackers. Why? Are we not on the same side? Do > we not believe in the same core principles? What might have gotten into > people's heads to say "Kevin should be ratted out and turned in"? I don't know. Ask jackdarippa, who flamed me for attacking Justin Peterface. NEXT! <..rOTTEN..> nobody move, nobody get hurt error187(1) critical failure - - - - - - To do: 1) Update my "To do" list. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 04:21:21 -0800 (PST) From: Gustavo Subject: Re: [mitnick] Wanna take a trip I agree with you Reeza!. There are a lot of imposters on this list. How's that yeast infection? - ---Reeza! wrote: > > At 06:10 PM 11/28/98 -0800, Timothy Leary wrote: > >Hey, I have a smashing idea! Why don't we all go on a trip? > > Nice try, sport. Cruising my Trash Bin, I found these. > > From: electroMagnet > From: Stork > From: rice patty > From: Chef Botulism > From: "Mr. MoJo Risen" > From: schooner > From: TrailWays > From: skyking > From: Joshua > From: aGranRitmo > From: WhoreToCulture > > Just offhand, I'd say you have an identity crisis. > > Reeza! > > If you see a man approaching you with the obvious intention > of doing you good, you should run for your life. > > -stolen from a cypherpunk sig > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 04:27:18 -0800 (PST) From: Fred Subject: Re: [mitnick] Rotten didn't get enough love as a child Yaba daba doo! - ---Caliban Tiresias Darklock wrote: > > On 09:59 PM 11/28/98 -0800, I personally witnessed rOTTEN jumping up to say: > > > >In recognition of your concern, I am not able to make anyone feel stupid. > > Perhaps it would have been more effective to say that you have a habit of > deliberately minimising and publicly ridiculing the efforts and suggestions > of other people, which in turn has real psychological effects which are > beyond your control. This is a pretty antisocial habit, but presumably you > only do it online where there is a much lower risk of getting the living > crap kicked out of you. > > Oh, don't worry, rOTTEN. You're not really affecting anyone. You can tell > yourself that with much more certainty when you don't have to look them in > the eye. Not that it makes much difference on the other end, of course, but > who cares! You'll never meet these people, and even if by some chance you > did, they wouldn't recognise you. > > It's much easier to dehumanise your target when you don't have to look him > in the face, isn't it? When you don't have to see that you might have hurt > someone very seriously with some snide offhand comment? > > Oh, but it's just the internet. It doesn't matter to anyone, does it? > > Doesn't it? > > >It's the person's lack of intelligence that does that. > > Actually, it would be a lack of self-confidence, which may in turn stem > from the very intelligent observation that some people are smarter than > they are. Of course, it is of dubious intelligence to put you into that > group, but it would really depend on the specific person doing so. Besides, > all other reputation aside, hackers do still have a reputation of being > smart. And even though not everyone on this list is a hacker, I think it's > safe to say that most members of the list expect that hackers make up a > very large part of it -- and that the rest of the list consists of a lot of > smart people. > > Don't we believe -- or at least say we believe -- in intellect being an > equal opportunity quality? I mean, anyone can be smart, they just have to > have a desire to learn and someone to teach them. Right? How does it affect > the desire to learn when people who could obviously fill the role of > teacher prefer to stand on top of you and elevate themselves, rather than > offer you a hand to step up beside them? > > Kevin was sold out by other hackers. Why? Are we not on the same side? Do > we not believe in the same core principles? What might have gotten into > people's heads to say "Kevin should be ratted out and turned in"? > > Why do I keep asking the same questions? > > - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > As the fire burneth a wood, and the flame setteth the mountains on fire; > So persecute them with thy tempest, and make them afraid with thy storm. > ---------------------------[ Psalms, 83:14-15 ]--------------------------- > Caliban Tiresias Darklock | "Hell, you don't > Darklock Communications | know me." > FREE KEVIN MITNICK! | - Charles Manson > - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > And remember, if you don't kiss Hank's ass he'll kick the shit out of you. > - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 08:32:50 EST From: JAKade@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] Rotten didn't get enough love as a child In a message dated 11/29/98 6:03:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, rotten@cyberverse.com writes: > Now, dear droogs, you may return to the doldrum that is your life. As the British used to say, You're as queer (OLD meaning) as a clockwork orange.... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 11:25:36 EST From: SkyFireZ@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] Rotten didn't get enough love as a child In a message dated 11/29/98 12:47:13 AM Pacific Standard Time, caliban@darklock.com writes: << It's much easier to dehumanise your target when you don't have to look him in the face, isn't it? When you don't have to see that you might have hurt someone very seriously with some snide offhand comment? >> Forget about how he "might" have hurt someone. It's much easier to make a comment when you dont have to look at someone, because online they wont bitchslap you in the head... I'm gonna add my 2 cents into the whole "not enough love" thing. I think he might have gotten enough love, but I feel that people of everyday society look down on rOTTEN (hence the name) Perhaps they feel they are better than him. Like if rOTTEN goes to the mall, can he go into a store without being followed?? Maybe all the anguish and pain that has followed rOTTEN throughout the years is coming out through the form of flames online... Maybe all rOTTEN needs is a big group hug..... "The weak ones are there to justify the strong" AcidRayne ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 11:52:36 EST From: Bobwil623@aol.com Subject: [mitnick] Re: "all i've seen in the last week are people babbling..." rotten@cyberverse.com (sWEET) wrote... >I haven't seen a good suggestion in a LONG time. When people were >actually thinking and sharing GOOD ideas I was silent. Despite the >occasional stupidity. Or has everyone forgotten that already? > >All I've seen in the last week are people babbling about AOLers and new >web browsers. Then we get someone who wants to sing christmas carols in >front of a fucking PRISON of all places. Come ON! au contraire, mes amis.... several posts of mine to the list decidedly ON topic in the past week (11.22.98 through 11.29.98), with -- and forgive me my boldness -- seemingly "good" ideas: 1) "Re: missing the point, imho..." 11.22.98 - where i wrote in part... > > ...it's this writer's opinion that we cannot > > overemphasize the effect that markoff's > > personal attacks on mr. mitnick had (remember: > > 3 front page new york times stories), and we > > cannot overemphasize the role of the > > government in targeting mr. mitnick for arrest > > through the use of paid informants. 2) "Re: Re: [mitnick] stir up some trouble #2" 11.22.98 - where i wrote in part... > > ...this list can contribute to making that > > spotlight extremely bright, but only to the > > extent we ramp up our efforts to engage the > > conventional corporate media in a discussion > > focused on the issues that the *people* see as > > important, rather than enabling the media to > > merely parrot the government line. > > > > on that note, does anyone have contact with > > der spiegel, in germany? 11.29.98: my query left unaswered to date, btw... 3) "Re: [mitnick] ON topic-some words from me #2" 11.27.98 - where i wrote in part... > > ...as serious as km's case is, the notion that > > Project Innocence could help a bunch of people > > defeat falsified charges and get those people > > off death row is extremely empowering, and > > ought to encourage us all in our efforts... 4) "gov't informant was an employee of kevin's attorney ! ! !" 11.27.98 - where i wrote in part... > > ...this is an extraordinary development in > > km's case. i'd encourage anyone interested in > > doing so to write a an "open letter" to judge > > pfaelzer, and send it cc: to your local > > newspaper and your congresspeople (both > > senators and representatives...) and slightly more than a week ago, i wrote these... 5) "just in case you were thinking that all hope was lost..." 11.21.98 - where i wrote in part... > > United States v. Czubinski 106 F.3d 1069, 1997 > > U.S. App. LEXIS 3077 (1 Cir. Feb. 21, 1997) > > > > ***The Court of Appeals for the First Circuit > > reversed the conviction, holding that > > Czubinski had violated none of the laws > > charged in the indictment because the > > government couldn't prove that Czubinski had > > disclosed the fruits of his snooping to anyone > > else.***... 11.29.98: seems on point to me. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 11:04:07 -0600 From: "jackdarippa" Subject: Re: [mitnick] Re: [offtopic] Rotten didn't get enough love as a child - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 - - -----Original Message----- From: rOTTEN To: mitnick@2600.com Date: Sunday, November 29, 1998 5:37 AM Subject: [mitnick] Re: [offtopic] Rotten didn't get enough love as a child > >I'm going to quickly address 4 more points, should you care to read on. > >BE FOREWARNED: IT'S *ALL* OFF-TOPIC. > >NOTE: READ THE PREVIOUS LINE AGAIN AND AGAIN BEFORE READING ON. > >Though technically, that would be inaccurate, since the ONLY topic at >this point is my bad attitude. > >On Sun, 29 Nov 1998, Caliban Tiresias Darklock wrote: > >> Perhaps it would have been more effective to say that you have a habit of >> deliberately minimising and publicly ridiculing the efforts and suggestions >> of other people, which in turn has real psychological effects which are >> beyond your control. > >I haven't seen a good suggestion in a LONG time. When people were >actually thinking and sharing GOOD ideas I was silent. Despite the >occasional stupidity. Or has everyone forgotten that already? > >All I've seen in the last week are people babbling about AOLers and new >web browsers. Then we get someone who wants to sing christmas carols in >front of a fucking PRISON of all places. Come ON! > >> Oh, don't worry, rOTTEN. You're not really affecting anyone. > >Yes but then you said: > >> When you don't have to see that you might have hurt >> someone very seriously with some snide offhand comment? > >You see what I'm getting at, right? > >> How does it affect >> the desire to learn when people who could obviously fill the role of >> teacher prefer to stand on top of you and elevate themselves, rather than >> offer you a hand to step up beside them? > >I think it was Mr. Miyagi (as portrayed by Noriyuki "Pat" Morita) who >said, [paraphrased] "before you can learn how to fly, you must learn how >to walk". > >Let them learn to think, before they can learn to do anything else. You >of all people, Caliban, I would expect to agree. I consider you >intelligent...but if you don't agree, maybe my judgement is wrong. Maybe >you're just articulate and wordy, and not intelligent at all. > >> Kevin was sold out by other hackers. Why? Are we not on the same side? Do >> we not believe in the same core principles? What might have gotten into >> people's heads to say "Kevin should be ratted out and turned in"? > >I don't know. Ask jackdarippa, who flamed me for attacking Justin >Peterface. > >NEXT! > > <..rOTTEN..> > > nobody move, nobody get hurt > > error187(1) critical failure >- - - - - > To do: 1) Update my "To do" list. > > I beg to differ. I attacked his reasoning myself, I just think that using childish insults not gonna get anyone very far....That's why i "flamed" you. jackdarippa - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.0 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBNmF+htpIpYADgVGcEQL5GACgkerM4PnHvmy0GRzZIxfxQ8BOSpMAoPz7 3ueCqjpsd1j/1aqOvYLRibT4 =xEKX - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 11:00:31 -0600 From: "poiSiN" Subject: Re: [mitnick] Rotten didn't get enough love as a child - -----Original Message----- From: SkyFireZ@aol.com To: mitnick@2600.com Date: Sunday, November 29, 1998 10:40 AM Subject: Re: [mitnick] Rotten didn't get enough love as a child > Forget about how he "might" have hurt someone. It's much easier to make a >comment when you dont have to look at someone, because online they wont >bitchslap you in the head... I'm gonna add my 2 cents into the whole "not >enough love" thing. I think he might have gotten enough love, but I feel that >people of everyday society look down on rOTTEN (hence the name) Perhaps they >feel they are better than him. Like if rOTTEN goes to the mall, can he go into >a store without being followed?? Maybe all the anguish and pain that has >followed rOTTEN throughout the years is coming out through the form of flames >online... Maybe all rOTTEN needs is a big group hug..... Actually, I have never met a more pleasant and caring individual in my life...as rOTTEN... of course, I may be a little biased :) ~poiSiNous "Leave me alone...I'm feeling rOTTEN" poiSiNous/Cattitude/SinKitty ICQ : 2359153 AIM : KiSSKiLL poiSiNous Lair : http://members.xoom.com/poiSiNous/Lair.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 11:02:29 -0600 From: "poiSiN" Subject: Re: [mitnick] Rotten didn't get enough love as a child hehehehe.. I especially like the *I need to get to Nashville part * heh >On Sun, 29 Nov 1998, Caliban Tiresias Darklock wrote: > >> It's much easier to dehumanise your target when you don't have to look him >> in the face, isn't it? > >Hell, I "dehumanize" people on a daily basis in the non-computer world. > >On the other hand, I give people respect where respect is due. As evil as >I appear to you and the rest on the list, I am also kind to the same >degree...both in real life AND in terminal emulation. > >> When you don't have to see that you might have hurt >> someone very seriously with some snide offhand comment? > >The day that I change my name to "pLEASANT" is the day that I end the >snide comments. > >Until then, no, I don't care if people can't control their emotions and I >don't care if my words are hurtful to them. I'm nice to those who deserve >it, and I'm rude to those to deserve it. I respect people's opinions >and enthusiasm if they know what they're talking about, if not, I don't >respect them. > >No matter HOW negatively you feel about my commentary, there are many >more who have spoken in support of my expressiveness...In fact, with the >Christmas carol thing, people that I don't normally get along with too. > >Since this is such a hot topic (for once) which has sparked much anger >toward me (deservedly or not) I'll say: > >To the gentleman/lady who suggested singing Christmas carols (which >sparked this in the first place), how about appropriating the money >you'd spend on travel fare, to the Kevin Mitnick Fund...or if you don't >want to do THAT, send it to me. > >I need to get to Nashville. > >There...now wasn't THAT productive? > >Now, dear droogs, you may return to the doldrum that is your life. > > > > <..rOTTEN..> > > nobody move, nobody get hurt > > error187(1) critical failure >- - - - - > To do: 1) Update my "To do" list. > > > ------------------------------ End of mitnick-digest V1 #204 *****************************