mitnick-digest Monday, November 30 1998 Volume 01 : Number 206 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 19:36:54 -0800 (PST) From: rOTTEN Subject: Re: [mitnick] Chapters.... On Sun, 29 Nov 1998 DINOMITE1@aol.com wrote: > the chapters could meet at the same time as 2600 meetings, this would simplify > everything as there are 2600 meetings throught the country and that would > encourage attendance at both. > > - Rold Gold Fantastic idea. Kill two birds with one stone. Who's going to design the membership cards? <..rOTTEN..> nobody move, nobody get hurt error187(1) critical failure - - - - - - To do: 1) Update my "To do" list. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 22:56:38 EST From: DINOMITE1@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] Chapters.... i guess that people who are interested in the mitnick chapters should just show up at their local 2600 meeting next month! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 00:10:01 EST From: SiliconxX@aol.com Subject: [mitnick] unsubscribe mitnick unsubscribe mitnick ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 00:03:12 -0500 From: Dan Sissman Subject: Re: [mitnick] Hacking the government computers... maverick212@juno.com wrote: > On Fri, 27 Nov 1998 11:31:07 -0800 Caliban Tiresias Darklock > writes: > > > >No. Fighting the government head-on is probably the stupidest damn > >idea any moron ever had. > > While that may (or may not!) be true in the present situation re: Kevin > Mitnick, one should remember that the USA was founded by those who > 'fought the government head-on'. They eventually kicked out that > government, and instituted a new, better one. And, personally, I don't > think of the Founding Fathers as "moron's", nor as the Revolutionary War > as their "stupidest damn idea". > > Who was it who said "The tree of Liberty must occasionally be refreshed > with the blood of Patriots"? (or some such, I'm too tired to look it up.) > > >I think you were just trying to be ridiculous, but it wasn't funny. > > Having the guts to go against (or, these days, even _speak_ against) the > current Government, even when they are clearly wrong, is neither > 'ridiculous', nor 'funny'. It may, however, be dangerous and ill-advised, > depending on the society's and Government's attitude on dissension. Well, in Caliban's defense, consider the context. Caliban's post was a response to a post that called for an all-out attack on government computer systems, including mailbombing and virus attacks. Not exactly the best way to get Kevin Mitnick released. - -- Dan Sissman, amateur triviaphile Free Kevin Mitnick! http://www.albany.net/~dsissman http://www.kevinmitnick.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 00:31:28 -0600 (CST) From: !! The Bike Master !! Subject: [mitnick] unsubscribe mitnick unsubscribe mitnick Amram Pena (!!! The Bike Master !!!) hotbiker@fuerzag.ulatina.ac.cr apena@galileo.acer.co.cr ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 07:47:54 +0000 From: Tom Subject: Re: [mitnick] unsubscribe mitnick !! The Bike Master !! wrote: > > unsubscribe mitnick > > Amram Pena > (!!! The Bike Master !!!) > hotbiker@fuerzag.ulatina.ac.cr > apena@galileo.acer.co.cr Send that to majordomo@2600.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 03:58:05 EST From: XxLeviaxX@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] Chapters.... Um.. this is going to sound really stupid but where are the 2600 meetings held at? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 02:12:35 PST From: "Kamikaze Kaze" Subject: Re: [mitnick] what am i gonna do now? Kill the u.s goverment! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 02:14:57 PST From: "Kamikaze Kaze" Subject: Re: [mitnick] Wanna take a trip You mean a trip over the internet? Anna. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 06:36:53 -0400 From: che guevara Subject: Re: [mitnick] unsubscribe mitnick send that to majordomo@2600.com SiliconxX@aol.com wrote: > > unsubscribe mitnick - -- che guevara "I never think of the future - it comes soon enough." [albert einstein] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 06:37:39 -0400 From: che guevara Subject: Re: [mitnick] Chapters.... look in the back of 2600 or go to http://www.2600.com/meetings/ XxLeviaxX@aol.com wrote: > > Um.. this is going to sound really stupid but where are the 2600 meetings held > at? - -- che guevara "I never think of the future - it comes soon enough." [albert einstein] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 06:35:16 -0400 From: che guevara Subject: Re: [mitnick] Chapters.... tele phreak and I (I came up with the idea in the first place) are setting up an orginization with bylaws and everything & we'll let you know about when we're done...please do not email the list asking to form chapters, but you can email me or tele phreak with ideas thanks. - -- che guevara "I never think of the future - it comes soon enough." [albert einstein] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 08:45:01 -0800 From: "Caliban Tiresias Darklock" Subject: [mitnick] ZD Article on Mitnick case Short squib on the request for continuance... http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2169558,00.html Is it just me, or is ZD *covering* the stories well while still making the links to the stories obscure and uninteresting to those who aren't already "in the know"? The link I found to this story was called "More delays for Mitnick trial" -- which would interest the average person about as much as a history of the pet rock. This seems pretty much par for the course on ZDnet. Thoughts? Dissenting opinions? Rants about the media... no, wait, skip those. ;) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 22:59:45 +1000 From: Reeza! Subject: Re: [mitnick] what am i gonna do now? At 02:12 AM 11/30/98 PST, Kamikaze Kaze wrote: >Kill the u.s goverment! > Sorry, I cannot condone going postal on postal workers, I'm still waiting for my new motherboard. Are you very sure you are not really from AOL? You might try starting with the local constabulary in your area though, just march right into their nest when they least expect it and cut loose with your spitwad gun. Be sure to yell "Roswell", "Ted Kennedy" and "Hoffa". If they offer you the use of a telephone, remember they are paying for it, so call the most expensive 976 number you could find, and let your fingers do the rest! Take as long as you need, because they are paying for it- remember? Reeza! "In the land of the blind the one-eyed is king, until the others find out he can see. Then they kill him" -- stolen from another cypherpunk sig ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 12:41:34 EST From: Bobwil623@aol.com Subject: [mitnick] please continue to report on the kevin mitnick trial... in re your article at http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2169558,00.html .... personally, i much prefer the article referenced at http://www.kevinmitnick.com/home.html -- namely, poulsen's article found at http://www.zdnet.com/zdtv/cybercrime/chaostheory/story/0,3700,2169264,00.ht ml i also see the emphasis on kevinmitnick.com as far more important -- allegations of government informants working in the defense attorney's office () -- than the notion that there's been a request for a continuance ()... keep up the good work, folks: this case offers great insights into the government's agenda in re encryption, and the government's stated desire to control encryption algorithms worldwide. thanks for the articles.... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 09:56:21 PST From: "Kamikaze Kaze" Subject: [mitnick] mail to AcidRayne All of this sounds VERY cool, but i think you allready know all about kevin...well almost. Anna. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 13:09:33 -0500 From: Mike Blaguszewski Subject: Re: [mitnick] Chapters... Rather than create an non-profit organization specifically for the "Free Kevin" effort, I would recommend creating something a little more generalized. Perhaps an organization dedicated to fighting injustice in the prosecution of hackers. This is a continuing effort, as opposed to the Mitnick case. His case will reach some sort of conclusion within five years and make a Free Kevin non-profit outmoded. And, if the USG gets their way, there will be more hacker cases that need attention. I think there is a real need for an organization that can do things to help hackers like Kevin, but not just Kevin himself. Mike Blaguszewski ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 10:36:31 -0800 (PST) From: rOTTEN Subject: Re: [mitnick] Chapters.... On Mon, 30 Nov 1998, che guevara wrote: > tele phreak and I (I came up with the idea in the first place) are > setting up an orginization with bylaws and everything & we'll let you > know about when we're done...please do not email the list asking to form > chapters, but you can email me or tele phreak with ideas > thanks. What a splendid idea. Bylaws and EVERYTHING. Then you'll need to figure out who's going to be the president of the local Free Kevin chapter. Don't forget to refer to Roberts Rules of Order. This grass-roots movement is a really good idea. What kind of topics will be discussed at the Free Kevin meeting? How will you allocate time away from the 2600 meeting to discuss Kevin? Will you charge dues? <..rOTTEN..> nobody move, nobody get hurt error187(1) critical failure - - - - - - To do: 1) Update my "To do" list. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 14:38:41 EST From: DINOMITE1@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] Chapters.... look at the 2600 website (www.2600.com) to find your local meetuing place, they are the first fir. of every month ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 14:52:14 EST From: SkyFireZ@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] Hacking the government computers... In a message dated 11/29/98 7:05:08 PM Pacific Standard Time, service@internetforall.com writes: << > While that may (or may not!) be true in the present situation re: Kevin > Mitnick, one should remember that the USA was founded by those who > 'fought the government head-on'. They eventually kicked out that > government, and instituted a new, better one. And, personally, I don't > think of the Founding Fathers as "moron's", nor as the Revolutionary War > as their "stupidest damn idea". Agreed...... Let me put it in another perspective. Do you think that white people who commit those hate crimes in the southern United States have guts for killing blacks? >> Will somebody tell me what that has to do with anything that was stated above?? The killing of blacks?? What?? AcidRayne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 14:56:46 EST From: SkyFireZ@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] Chapters.... In a message dated 11/29/98 7:05:18 PM Pacific Standard Time, DINOMITE1@aol.com writes: << the chapters could meet at the same time as 2600 meetings, this would simplify everything as there are 2600 meetings throught the country and that would encourage attendance at both. >> The 2600 meetings and Kevin Mitnick are however two different subjects... Kevin Mitnick is not the point of the entire 2600 meeting, and other things need to be discussed at them. Perhaps the 2600 meetings could have a Mitnick segment, but that would have to be up to the people attending it. And although the 2600 meetings do span across most of the US, it isn't completely accessable to the general public. There are many places that are without a 2600 meeting that is attended without a long trip... AcidRayne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 15:05:36 EST From: SkyFireZ@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] mail to AcidRayne In a message dated 11/30/98 10:11:22 AM Pacific Standard Time, kamikazen@hotmail.com writes: << All of this sounds VERY cool, but i think you allready know all about kevin...well almost. >> Hey, Um, I dont know exactly what you are talking about (as far as "all this") but I'll thank you anyhow... and in the future, could you send the mail directly to me instead of sending it to the list please?? It would clear up a lot of the fighting going on here (or at least help) respectfully, AcidRayne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 15:08:18 EST From: SkyFireZ@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] Chapters... In a message dated 11/30/98 10:23:14 AM Pacific Standard Time, mblagusz@alleg.edu writes: << Rather than create an non-profit organization specifically for the "Free Kevin" effort, I would recommend creating something a little more generalized. Perhaps an organization dedicated to fighting injustice in the prosecution of hackers. This is a continuing effort, as opposed to the Mitnick case. His case will reach some sort of conclusion within five years and make a Free Kevin non-profit outmoded. And, if the USG gets their way, there will be more hacker cases that need attention. I think there is a real need for an organization that can do things to help hackers like Kevin, but not just Kevin himself. Mike Blaguszewski >> This is a great idea, however due to the lack of publicity that hackers get (as far as trials and the sort) how do you suggest we find out about these cases, as we will need something to fight against... Respectfully, AcidRayne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 15:20:31 EST From: SkyFireZ@aol.com Subject: [mitnick] Takedown.com Please excuse my spelling of the names..... I recently stumbled apon takedown.com.. and noticed that there were about 4 vioce mails that I could listen to from the site... (these mails are alledgedly to shimomura or someone of that stature) Anyhow, the site never made much of a reference to what the voice mails were about, nor what the signifigance to Kevin Mitnick was. In fact, two of the messages were left after Mr. Mitnick was arrested. Could somebody tell me what these messages have to do with the case?? Also, if you havent checked out the site... do so... its fun. Note the fact that theres a steel bar above the title "Takedown" and in the very center of the steel bar... there appears to be a dent.. which i find to be a bit amusing. And be sure to check the comments page... AcidRayne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 15:56:58 -0400 From: che guevara Subject: Re: [mitnick] Chapters.... rOTTEN wrote: > > On Mon, 30 Nov 1998, che guevara wrote: > > > tele phreak and I (I came up with the idea in the first place) are > > setting up an orginization with bylaws and everything & we'll let you > > know about when we're done...please do not email the list asking to form > > chapters, but you can email me or tele phreak with ideas > > thanks. > > What a splendid idea. Bylaws and EVERYTHING. Then you'll need to figure > out who's going to be the president of the local Free Kevin chapter. > > Don't forget to refer to Roberts Rules of Order. is there an online version? > > This grass-roots movement is a really good idea. What kind of topics will > be discussed at the Free Kevin meeting? how to help him, etc....we'll figure it out as we go along >How will you allocate time away from the 2600 meeting to discuss Kevin? different meeting times > > Will you charge dues? possible very small ($20/year) and probably most will go to the defense fund if anyone has any ideas that will help us, please do email me or telephreak - -- che guevara "I never think of the future - it comes soon enough." [albert einstein] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 16:56:03 EST From: XEquuleusX@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] Chapters.... In a message dated 98-11-30 06:49:07 EST, cguevara@mindless.com writes: << look in the back of 2600 or go to http://www.2600.com/meetings/ >> is anyone here from maryland, or knows if there are meetings here? i know that there are ones in dc, but i usually cant get there. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 17:06:39 -0500 From: john barleycorn Subject: Re: [mitnick] Takedown.com SkyFireZ@aol.com wrote: > > Please excuse my spelling of the names..... > > I recently stumbled apon takedown.com.. and noticed that there were about 4 > vioce mails that I could listen to from the site... (these mails are > alledgedly to shimomura or someone of that stature) Anyhow, the site never > made much of a reference to what the voice mails were about, nor what the > signifigance to Kevin Mitnick was. In fact, two of the messages were left > after Mr. Mitnick was arrested. Could somebody tell me what these messages > have to do with the case?? Not much really except they were left on his voice mail after his box was hacked > > Also, if you havent checked out the site... do so... its fun. > Note the fact that theres a steel bar above the title "Takedown" and in the > very center of the steel bar... there appears to be a dent.. which i find to > be a bit amusing. And be sure to check the comments page... My personal favorite is the telnet sessions of mitnick "hacking". ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 23:28:08 +0000 From: kerry Subject: Re: [mitnick] Takedown.com Check out the ones on giveup.com too :) john barleycorn wrote: > SkyFireZ@aol.com wrote: > > > > Please excuse my spelling of the names..... > > > > I recently stumbled apon takedown.com.. and noticed that there were about 4 > > vioce mails that I could listen to from the site... (these mails are > > alledgedly to shimomura or someone of that stature) Anyhow, the site never > > made much of a reference to what the voice mails were about, nor what the > > signifigance to Kevin Mitnick was. In fact, two of the messages were left > > after Mr. Mitnick was arrested. Could somebody tell me what these messages > > have to do with the case?? > > Not much really except they were left on his voice mail after his box > was hacked > > > > Also, if you havent checked out the site... do so... its fun. > > Note the fact that theres a steel bar above the title "Takedown" and in the > > very center of the steel bar... there appears to be a dent.. which i find to > > be a bit amusing. And be sure to check the comments page... > > My personal favorite is the telnet sessions of mitnick "hacking". - -- *********************************************************** FREE KEVIN bumperstickers http://www.mindspring.com/~jump0 *********************************************************** PO Box 17435 - Raleigh NC 27619 - email jump0@mindspring.com checks/money orders payable to "Free Kevin Publicity Fund" *********************************************************** Stickers are sold at cost plus postage - we make no profit from this effort - donations are split equally between Kevin's Defense Fund and the Free Kevin Publicity Fund. *********************************************************** F R E E K E V I N http://www.KevinMitnick.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 15:50:01 -0800 (PST) From: Edith Crabtree Subject: Re: [mitnick] Chapters... That's a nice idea, but will it work, (or at least the way you think it should)? Minor Threat went to jail (I'm not sure whether he's still in), and no one made a sound concerning his situation. For those of you who don't know, Minor Threat coded the famous war dialer program ToneLoc. I don't know what excatly he went to jail for, (something computer related I believe, if not for programming ToneLoc). However, no one said a word, (I think Emmanuel mentioned it once on Off The Hook, but that's about it). He just went to jail. I quess the public outcry movement is selective in it's battles. Or the individuals involved, (those in or going to jail), are not all equal. It's funny how some people who encourage those who are arrested, to hold out in jail or to not cop a plea, aren't the ones sitting in jail or have ever been arrested for that matter. Phiber Optik didn't cop a plea, he held out like a real stand up guy. He also did the most time out of all the MOD group. Be careful or you will get (be) used. - ---Mike Blaguszewski wrote: > > Rather than create an non-profit organization specifically for the "Free Kevin" > effort, I would recommend creating something a little more generalized. Perhaps > an organization dedicated to fighting injustice in the prosecution of hackers. > This is a continuing effort, as opposed to the Mitnick case. His case will reach > some sort of conclusion within five years and make a Free Kevin non-profit > outmoded. And, if the USG gets their way, there will be more hacker cases that > need attention. I think there is a real need for an organization that can do > things to help hackers like Kevin, but not just Kevin himself. > > Mike Blaguszewski > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 17:41:09 -0600 From: "jackdarippa" Subject: Re: [mitnick] Chapters.... - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 How do you propose we find interested people in our cities or towns? I mean, if we're just gonna find friends of ours who we already know and do it, then what's the point..... jackdarippa - - -----Original Message----- From: che guevara To: mitnick@2600.com Date: Monday, November 30, 1998 3:59 PM Subject: Re: [mitnick] Chapters.... > > >rOTTEN wrote: >> >> On Mon, 30 Nov 1998, che guevara wrote: >> >> > tele phreak and I (I came up with the idea in the first place) are >> > setting up an orginization with bylaws and everything & we'll let you >> > know about when we're done...please do not email the list asking to form >> > chapters, but you can email me or tele phreak with ideas >> > thanks. >> >> What a splendid idea. Bylaws and EVERYTHING. Then you'll need to figure >> out who's going to be the president of the local Free Kevin chapter. >> >> Don't forget to refer to Roberts Rules of Order. >is there an online version? >> >> This grass-roots movement is a really good idea. What kind of topics will >> be discussed at the Free Kevin meeting? >how to help him, etc....we'll figure it out as we go along >>How will you allocate time away from the 2600 meeting to discuss Kevin? >different meeting times >> >> Will you charge dues? >possible very small ($20/year) and probably most will go to the defense fund > >if anyone has any ideas that will help us, please do email me or telephreak >-- >che guevara > > > > > >"I never think of the future - it comes soon enough." > [albert einstein] > - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.0 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBNmMtFNpIpYADgVGcEQLL8gCeIkgpZIFii47UGrxpJNiTE7vNfYAAniKM +5t1s6BMRlhY7KaS+ArJDRqX =pv5y - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 17:44:13 -0600 From: "jackdarippa" Subject: Re: [mitnick] Hacking the government computers... - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Umm...if you're toying with the idea of a revolution to take over the government in the name of Kevin Mitnick...read it again, you may start laughing. You don't overthrow the government because of a single political prisoner, you just learn to hate it, and if you're naive like we are (not a bad thing, it sometimes can help), you try to fix it, not blow it up. jackdarippa - - -----Original Message----- From: maverick212@juno.com To: mitnick@2600.com Date: Sunday, November 29, 1998 8:38 PM Subject: Re: [mitnick] Hacking the government computers... >On Fri, 27 Nov 1998 11:31:07 -0800 Caliban Tiresias Darklock > writes: >> >>No. Fighting the government head-on is probably the stupidest damn >>idea any moron ever had. > >While that may (or may not!) be true in the present situation re: Kevin >Mitnick, one should remember that the USA was founded by those who >'fought the government head-on'. They eventually kicked out that >government, and instituted a new, better one. And, personally, I don't >think of the Founding Fathers as "moron's", nor as the Revolutionary War >as their "stupidest damn idea". > >Who was it who said "The tree of Liberty must occasionally be refreshed >with the blood of Patriots"? (or some such, I'm too tired to look it up.) > > >>I think you were just trying to be ridiculous, but it wasn't funny. > >Having the guts to go against (or, these days, even _speak_ against) the >current Government, even when they are clearly wrong, is neither >'ridiculous', nor 'funny'. It may, however, be dangerous and ill-advised, >depending on the society's and Government's attitude on dissension. > > >Anyway, that's my $0.02. >We now return you to your regularly scheduled mail list.... > > > Maverick > >___________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html >or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.0 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBNmMtzNpIpYADgVGcEQJhewCfasFlEl01JmLL2e7fL213mEzBNEgAoK0S 9hwbshLurDHGMKItlN8Op9F7 =QlZQ - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 17:46:06 -0600 From: "jackdarippa" Subject: Re: [mitnick] unsubscribe mitnick - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 damnit you're the millionth person that this has happened to, haven't u seen all the others who do the exact same thing you do? SEND YOUR UNSUBSCRIBE TO majordomo@2600.com - - -----Original Message----- From: SiliconxX@aol.com To: mitnick@2600.com Date: Sunday, November 29, 1998 11:41 PM Subject: [mitnick] unsubscribe mitnick >unsubscribe mitnick > - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.0 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBNmMuPtpIpYADgVGcEQLgpACeMTf4O++E6jy6KdpUD8BtS4YgvF8An0Wg dPu3L/lzvIjtdiBO+iMQYgeA =MCgJ - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 17:53:39 -0600 From: "jackdarippa" Subject: Re: [mitnick] Bullshit List - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I think the reason that the list turns into this totally pointless nonsense is because of the fact that we get offended by flamers. I myself am responsible for a great bit of this. We have the right to be offended but the fact that we reply to them adds to the bullshit on the list. When someone says something insulting, just ignore the bastard. If you don't like him/her, don't read anymore of his/her messages to the list. Hopefully we can figure all this out cuz this is about kevin and our bickering's not helping. jackdarippa On Sun, 29 Nov 1998, AnGeL oF DeAtH wrote: > There is a point here people. I don't think I would go as far as to > shut down the list for revisions but I do think some changes are due. > Maybe a little servalence on the messages that come on the list. This > list is an excelent idea...if we would let it do what it's here for. > Yea okay maybe an off topic thread every once and a while wouldn't hurt > as long as it has something to do with the gov'nt or cops but keep the > messages like "I feel like having a jelly doughnut today" (sarcasm gotta > love it) off the list. > > >I agree. I signed up on this list intending to receive help and info, > but it > >turns out that all ive gotten is immature dribble. I think that this > list > >should be shut down, and a newer, more serious list should be made. > > > > > > _______________________________________ > | | > |AnGel oF DeATh | > |We all go sometime | > |---------------------------------------| > |ICQ-->8369754 | > |E-Mail-->hells_angels_666@hotmail.com | > |---------------------------------------| > |FREE KEVIN | > |_______________________________________| > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.0 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBNmMwAtpIpYADgVGcEQJ9UgCgtUA4Ex0j9MXISTKGlv0Wlb/6kxoAn2+t qaO/kfHCOSKv/vw9tEc89KOm =6dZa - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 16:38:47 -0800 From: Internet for All Customer Service Subject: Re: [mitnick] Hacking the government computers... The main point that I was trying to make was that you don't solve a problem by creating another problem. I was using the murder of blacks as an example. SkyFireZ@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 11/29/98 7:05:08 PM Pacific Standard Time, > service@internetforall.com writes: > > << > While that may (or may not!) be true in the present situation re: Kevin > > Mitnick, one should remember that the USA was founded by those who > > 'fought the government head-on'. They eventually kicked out that > > government, and instituted a new, better one. And, personally, I don't > > think of the Founding Fathers as "moron's", nor as the Revolutionary War > > as their "stupidest damn idea". > > Agreed...... > > Let me put it in another perspective. Do you think that white people who > commit those hate crimes in the southern United States have guts for killing > blacks? >> > > Will somebody tell me what that has to do with anything that was stated > above?? The killing of blacks?? What?? > > AcidRayne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 16:44:57 -0800 From: Internet for All Customer Service Subject: [mitnick] Welcome to mitnick Sorry guys, but I felt this had to be done. I'm forwarding the starting instructions that hopefully you got from the list when you joined. From the acts of people trying to unsubscribe, it is obvious that some people have lost it. So here it is and SAVE IT FOR FUTURE REFERENCE! Majordomo@2600.com wrote: > > -- > > Welcome to the mitnick mailing list! > > Please save this message for future reference. 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Who's going to write the Free Kevin national charter? > > This grass-roots movement is a really good idea. What kind of topics will > > be discussed at the Free Kevin meeting? > how to help him, etc....we'll figure it out as we go along Well, it's probably better that you not have any clear-cut ideas on what the club will be about...that way there's no limits to your creativity. > >How will you allocate time away from the 2600 meeting to discuss Kevin? > different meeting times good idea. > > Will you charge dues? > possible very small ($20/year) and probably most will go to the defense fund I would hope that most would go to the defense fund. In fact, I would hope that it ALL would go to the defense fund. But I can see that you'd want to be reimbursed for costs incurred making duplicates of the by-laws and the charter. And I'm still curious what the membership cards are going to look like. You could have each person's PGP key on the back of it. <..rOTTEN..> nobody move, nobody get hurt error187(1) critical failure - - - - - - To do: 1) Update my "To do" list. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 21:31:43 EST From: JAKade@aol.com Subject: [mitnick] Fwd: Computer Hacker on the Lam Again This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --part0_912479504_boundary Content-ID: <0_912479504@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII AOL's news may be late, but it is another article... - --part0_912479504_boundary Content-ID: <0_912479504@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: AOLNews@aol.com Return-path: Subject: Computer Hacker on the Lam Again Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 19:03:35 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Computer Hacker on the Lam Again .c The Associated Press LOS ANGELES (AP) -- Computer hacker-turned-government informant Justin Petersen, who claims he helped put superhacker Kevin Mitnick in jail, is on the run himself. The flamboyant, long-haired, one-legged hacker known to computer outlaws as ``Agent Steal'' is accused of skipping out on his probation in September. Federal marshals have a warrant for his arrest. In a letter posted on his now-defunct Web site, Petersen claims to have found an unspecified job overseas, but is thinking about coming home to surrender. ``I am still considering simply turning myself in and getting it over with,'' he wrote. ``Regardless, if I happen to get apprehended, it will be of little concern to me.'' The letter appeared after the Daily News of Los Angeles left a message on his telephone answering machine, which simply notifies callers ``I'm gone, baby,'' the paper reported Monday. Petersen, 38, a native of Lincoln, Neb., was known to hang out at Sunset Strip clubs, he wore his hair rock-star long and made the rounds with attractive women, even after a motorcycle accident cost him his left leg below the knee. He said he's still living the good life. ``Alas, rest assured I am somewhere having fun with a nice-looking lady, enjoying the first freedom I have felt in some time,'' he wrote. He was on probation after pleading guilty in 1993 to federal crimes committed in California and Texas, including credit card fraud that involved stealing data from a credit information firm. He also admitted to helping other hackers rig a radio station promotion by seizing control of telephone lines so they could be the winning callers. However, under a plea agreement, he remained out of prison while helping the government in an ``undercover capacity,'' as one court document put it. Petersen claimed the FBI paid his rent and flew him to computer conferences to spy on other hackers. He also says he helped show Mitnick was committing offenses while on probation for previous computer crimes. Mitnick faces trial in Los Angeles in January. Mitnick is the only hacker to make the FBI's Ten Most Wanted list. He was arrested in 1995, accused of stealing 20,000 credit card numbers. Prosecutors say that Petersen got into Glendale-based Heller Financial Inc. computers and paid himself $150,000, phoning in two bomb threats to make sure wire transfer officers were away from their desks during his hacking sprees. Court records show that Petersen was accused this summer of violating four tenets of his release agreement, which ordered him to pay $40,000 and stay away from computers except at work. ``I had a personality conflict with my parole office and could not come to terms,'' he wrote in his Web site letter. His parole officer wanted him to take a full-time job to repay the $40,000, and ``for me that is physically impossible,'' he wrote, adding that he could face six to eight months in jail if he surrenders or is caught. AP-NY-11-30-98 1903EST Copyright 1998 The Associated Press. The information contained in the AP news report may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or otherwise distributed without prior written authority of The Associated Press. To edit your profile, go to keyword NewsProfiles. For all of today's news, go to keyword News. - --part0_912479504_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 21:32:08 -0500 From: john barleycorn Subject: Re: [mitnick] Chapters... Edith Crabtree wrote: > Minor Threat went to jail (I'm not sure whether he's still in), and no > one made a sound concerning his situation. For those of you who don't > know, Minor Threat coded the famous war dialer program ToneLoc. I > don't know what excatly he went to jail for, (something computer > related I believe, if not for programming ToneLoc). However, no one > said a word, (I think Emmanuel mentioned it once on Off The Hook, but > that's about it). He just went to jail. I quess the public outcry > movement is selective in it's battles. Or the individuals involved, > (those in or going to jail), are not all equal. Well from what I understand Minor Threats charges are related to theft of actual property ( phone company equipment ) that he physically picked up and carried away (Please correct me here if Im wrong somebody?). Not even remotly the same thing as Mitnicks case ( or Phibers for that matter). People are alot less quick to stand up and defend "common criminals" <(for lack of a better description) for obvious reasons. ------------------------------ End of mitnick-digest V1 #206 *****************************