mitnick-digest Wednesday, December 9 1998 Volume 01 : Number 215 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 19:42:11 -0800 (PST) From: Support Services Subject: Re: [mitnick] Spelling 101 On Mon, 7 Dec 1998 21:30:19 EST, Sacrosantx wrote: > > Is it me or is like every media source screwing up on Mitnick's spelling > of his name. I included two other paragraphs coincidently or not, all > three related. Also that they also call Kevin a "cracker" again and > again...(decide on your own). At least they got it right that he is > "Still awaiting trial" instead of 'convicted' of them like some media. You have to understand that most of the pieces of shit out there earning a living under the guise of "reporter" are nothing more than ignorant strumpets whose only talent is creative plagiarism. How else would you explain the *consistent* errors in the articles supposedly "authored" by different reporters? > (When he was still a teen, Mitnik cracked the North American Aerospace > Defense Command.) At the time of this writing, he is awaiting trial on > federal charges stemming from attacks committed in 1994-1995. Forget the reporter's inability to spell his name... ask him or her to produce documentation of the NORAD comment. Court records show that the government was unable to substantiate any allegations of Mitnick tampering with NORAD. In fact, witness statements taken in 1982 show that Steve Rhoades started the NORAD rumor... and that he had no evidence with which to sustain the allegation. Ask this dumb son of a bitch reporter why court records contradict his statement. > Poulsen has also broken nearly every type of site, but has a special > penchant for sites containing defense data. This greatly complicated > his last period of incarceration, which lasted five years. (This is the > longest period ever served by a hacker in the United States.) Poulsen > was released in 1996 and has apparently reformed. How has this intellectually bankrupt reporter concluded that "Poulsen has broken nearly every type of site?" Has he broken into the various flavors of BBS systems out there (FidoNet, DYM, Metro, etc)? A quick glance at industry SIC codes is all someone with half a brain needs to realize Poulsen only broke into a handful of these "type of sites." It would seem that not only has Poulsen apparently reformed, but he also writes original, researched articles and does not plagiarize. That puts him many notches above the reporter reporting on him. > Justin Tanner Peterson Known as Agent Steal, Peterson is probably most > celebrated for cracking a prominent consumer credit agency. Peterson > appeared to be motivated by money instead of curiosity. Fucking idiot reporter. Justin Petersen [sic] was most celebrated for cracking Heller Financial and generating an electronic wire transfer of their funds, while calling in a bomb threat so their building would be abandoned and the transfer wouldn't be noticed until it was too late. Heller Financial was and is *not* any type of "consumer credit agency". Irresponsible, lazy dipshit reporter. > This lack of personal philosophy led to his downfall and the downfall > of others. Speaking of "lack of personal philosophy," how should we refer to a reporter whose only talent lies in plagiarizing inaccurate information and creating his own mini-story out of it... sort of the Cliff's Notes version of things... but with more errors than facts? "Incompetent idiot" is the first thing that comes to mind. - --- in summary --- If any of you ever speak to a reporter, stay in control. Feed them false and inaccurate information... make them look like the fools they set themselves up to be. Disregard their politeness and social bribery. They are as intellectually corrupt as our President is indiscreet. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 23:12:22 EST From: ExeRoy@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] Evidence On Mon, 7 Dec 1998 13:13:52 -0500 (EST), Daniel Sissman wrote: > By now we've all heard about the 9.75 gigs of evidence, but do we have > any indication of how much of that material is actual text (e-mail, > activity logs, etc.), and how much of it is program binaries, libraries, > and other files which presumably will not require the same kind of review? Without reviewing that evidence, how does Kevin know which is which? Let's say they hand him various directories with files such as... \raleigh\netcom\wp50.exe \singapore\netcom\wp50.exe etc... If I were Kevin, I'd rename my text files (and encrypted text files) into executables, to further mask them. Or I'd use steganography programs (freely available on the net!) to insert streams of text into exe files! Now, the only way Kevin is going to remember which is which, and what is what, is by actually examining the items... one at a time. http://iquest.net/~mrmil/stego.html >> << You have completely missed the point of what I was saying. If I were Kevin, I'd obfuscate my messages by using steganography, and embedding text sequences into executable files. How the fuck do you equate this with TAMPERING WITH EVIDENCE? Open your brain for a change. How Kevin stores his information prior to arrest cannot be in any way construed as "tampering with evidence." Try waiting a few hours after the meth before responding next time. >> Now, where in that first message do you say for kevin to do this 'prior to arrest'. just point that out to me. - - dangerz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 13:24:47 +1000 From: Reeza! Subject: Re: [mitnick] Evidence #2 At 11:35 AM 12/7/98 EST, Bobwil623@aol.com wrote: > >> The issue is that unreasonable allegations have >> been made that have resulted in the trampling of >> Kevins civil rights... > >although it may be seen as quibbling, the rights being trampled here are >*Constitutional* rights, rather than civil rights. Doh! What was I thinking? Reeza! ;( DH Key available on request "In the land of the blind the one-eyed is king, until the others find out he can see. Then they kill him" -- stolen from another cypherpunk sig ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 00:29:01 EST From: BadGirlnLA@aol.com Subject: [mitnick] Goodbye Judge ! Doug Thomas, below are some points you posted with the mailing list. IS IT TRUE THAT THIS IS JUDGE MARIANA PFAELZER'S LAST TRIAL, AND THEN SHE IS RETIRING? I have also heard that Prosecutor David Schindler will pack his bags and go to something bigger and better after the Mitnick trial. It seems only fair that Kevin Mitnick should then write a best-seller after he is released and make $10 million. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ US District Court Judge Mariana Pfaelzer expressed her disapproval with the request for a delay. "The court wants to go to trial," she told Mitnick and his attorney, echoing her previous statement that she was "very, very anxious to try this case." Another a piece of the puzzle that people may not be aware of is that this is Pfaelzer's last criminal case. Which is why, I am sure, she is so anxious to get it started. ------------------------------ Date: 7 Dec 98 21:14:53 MST From: Maras Erlenic Subject: Re: [Re: [mitnick] Evidence] owner-mitnick@phalse.2600.com wrote: > On Mon, 7 Dec 1998 13:13:52 -0500 (EST), Daniel Sissman wrote: > > By now we've all heard about the 9.75 gigs of evidence, but do we have > > any indication of how much of that material is actual text (e-mail, > > activity logs, etc.), and how much of it is program binaries, libraries, > > and other files which presumably will not require the same kind of review? > > Without reviewing that evidence, how does Kevin know which is which? > Let's say they hand him various directories with files such as... > > \raleigh\netcom\wp50.exe > > \singapore\netcom\wp50.exe > > etc... > > If I were Kevin, I'd rename my text files (and encrypted text files) > into executables, to further mask them. Or I'd use steganography > programs (freely available on the net!) to insert streams of text > into exe files! Now, the only way Kevin is going to remember which > is which, and what is what, is by actually examining the items... > one at a time. > > http://iquest.net/~mrmil/stego.html > > >> > > << > You have completely missed the point of what I was saying. > > If I were Kevin, I'd obfuscate my messages by using steganography, > and embedding text sequences into executable files. How the fuck > do you equate this with TAMPERING WITH EVIDENCE? Open your brain > for a change. How Kevin stores his information prior to arrest > cannot be in any way construed as "tampering with evidence." > > Try waiting a few hours after the meth before responding next time. > >> > > Now, where in that first message do you say for kevin to do this 'prior to > arrest'. just point that out to me. > > - dangerz actually, i found it to be so obvious that mentioning it would have seemed redundant ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 23:34:38 -0800 (PST) From: Ben Dover Subject: Re: [mitnick] Goodbye Judge ! you're damn right she's anxious to get it started! the way she sees it, the sooner the trial starts, the sooner she can put Mitnick in jail and get on with her life! (not that at 71 years old there is too much left). she just wants to lock kevin away and throw away the key! if you ask me, she has some other problem with kevin, but what i don't know... what the fuck is her problem??? dammit. BadGirlnLA@aol.com wrote: > > Doug Thomas, below are some points you posted with the mailing > list. IS IT TRUE THAT THIS IS JUDGE MARIANA PFAELZER'S > LAST TRIAL, AND THEN SHE IS RETIRING? > > I have also heard that Prosecutor David Schindler will pack his > bags and go to something bigger and better after the Mitnick > trial. > > It seems only fair that Kevin Mitnick should then write a best-seller > after he is released and make $10 million. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > US District Court Judge Mariana Pfaelzer expressed her disapproval with > the request for a delay. "The court wants to go to trial," she told Mitnick > and > his attorney, echoing her previous statement that she was "very, very anxious > to try this case." > > Another a piece of the puzzle that people may not be aware of is that this > is Pfaelzer's last criminal case. Which is why, I am sure, she is so > anxious to get it started. > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 00:26:40 -0800 (PST) From: Support Services Subject: Re: [mitnick] Evidence On Mon, 7 Dec 1998 23:12:22 EST, ExeRoy wrote: > > Now, where in that first message do you say for kevin to do > this 'prior to arrest'. just point that out to me. - dangerz Most people with half a brain will naturally extract that from the context of the message. The rest will be confined to living the rest of their lives as hopeless dim-wits, incapable of even the most basic perceptions. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 06:32:46 -0400 From: che guevara Subject: Re: [mitnick] Spelling 101 my God! I would love to have the email of that author! I wanna speak to him. Got an URL? Sacrosantx@aol.com wrote: > > Is it me or is like every media source screwing up on Mitnick's spelling of > his name. > I included two other paragraphs coincidently or not, all three related. Also > that they also call Kevin a "cracker" again and again...(decide on your own). > Atleast they got it right that he is "Still awaiting trial" instead of > 'convicted' of them like some media. > > example: from Windows Performance Secrets. > > The Crackers > > Kevin Mitnik. Mitnik, also known as Condor, is probably the world's best-known > cracker. Mitnik began his career as a phone phreak. Since those early years, > Mitnik has successfully cracked every manner of secure site you can imagine, > including but not limited to military sites, financial corporations, software > firms, and other technology companies. (When he was still a teen, Mitnik > cracked the North American Aerospace Defense Command.) At the time of this > writing, he is awaiting trial on federal charges stemming from attacks > committed in 1994-1995. > > Kevin Poulsen Having followed a path quite similar to Mitnik, Poulsen is best > known for his uncanny ability to seize control of the Pacific Bell telephone > system. (Poulsen once used this talent to win a radio contest where the prize > was a Porsche. He manipulated the telephone lines so that his call would be > the wining one.) Poulsen has also broken nearly every type of site, but has a > special penchant for sites containing defense data. This greatly complicated > his last period of incarceration, which lasted five years. (This is the > longest period ever served by a hacker in the United States.) Poulsen was > released in 1996 and has apparently reformed. > > Justin Tanner Peterson Known as Agent Steal, Peterson is probably most > celebrated for cracking a prominent consumer credit agency. Peterson appeared > to be motivated by money instead of curiosity. This lack of personal > philosophy led to his downfall and the downfall of others. For example, once > caught, Peterson ratted out his friends, including Kevin Poulsen. Peterson > then obtained a deal with the FBI to work undercover. This secured his release > and he subsequently absconded, going on a crime spree that ended with a failed > attempt to secure a six-figure fraudulent wire transfer. - -- :che guevara:: ::: ::: ::: "I never think of the future - it comes soon enough." -albert einstein ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 07:07:09 EST From: ExeRoy@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] Evidence In a message dated 12/8/98 3:46:47 AM Eastern Standard Time, support@tspeed.net writes: << Most people with half a brain will naturally extract that from the context of the message. The rest will be confined to living the rest of their lives as hopeless dim-wits, incapable of even the most basic perceptions. >> ok well, point out to me at least one thing in the paragraph that refers to 'prior to arrest'. - - dangerz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 08:51:43 EST From: Netizen007@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] unsubscribe unsubscribe ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 10:58:51 -0800 (PST) From: Bronc Subject: [mitnick] Lamers still on the loose I guess after sinnerz.com got hacked they decided to get another domain to draw the heat away from themselves. www.mitnick.org lame.. regards, Bronc Buster ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 11:12:41 -0800 (PST) From: Support Services Subject: Re: [mitnick] Evidence On Tue, 8 Dec 1998 07:07:09 EST, ExeRoy wrote: > > ok well, point out to me at least one thing in the paragraph > that refers to 'prior to arrest'. - dangerz I'll do one better than that -- I'll point out someone with the intelligence necessary to extrapolate from the provided context: On 7 Dec 98 21:14:53 MST, Maras Erlenic wrote: > > actually, i found it to be so obvious that mentioning it > would have seemed redundant > > ____________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 11:48:19 -0800 From: Brian Subject: Re: [mitnick] Evidence - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 At 00:26 12/8/98 -0800, you wrote: > >On Mon, 7 Dec 1998 23:12:22 EST, ExeRoy wrote: >> >> Now, where in that first message do you say for kevin to do >> this 'prior to arrest'. just point that out to me. - dangerz > >Most people with half a brain will naturally extract that from >the context of the message. The rest will be confined to living >the rest of their lives as hopeless dim-wits, incapable of even >the most basic perceptions. > > > Hey, what the fuck is your problem? Dangerz, and many others on this list are trying to actually make this list work with the whole mitnick subject. and when someone puts their shit in the way, like you do, then the person is obviously going to try to question it to see if maybe they dont understand quite well, or if the person that is shitting with them is just that, shit themselves. Youre being a real asshole, Support. SHUT THE FUCK UP! - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.0.2 Comment: Free Kevin www.kevinmitnick.com iQA/AwUBNm2Cgi7sph9laBOUEQJSQQCZAdju5mRqb5ULKGYmBnpvEhL0iiUAmwcB c1B7UiCFzUubdRCA95XtxjvY =dZ4W - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -brain kandy- Free Kevin Mitnick - Visit www.kevinmitnick.com ICQ: 6635525 AIM: Msie Kandy E-mail: brainkandy@mindspring.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 15:22:34 EST From: SkyFireZ@aol.com Subject: [mitnick] Y2K bug... After the Y2K bug... wouldnt all the evidence against Kevin become obsolete?? I know there are ways to protect comps from the Y2K bug, but so far all attempts at the Y2K compatible computers have failed miserably... Just a thought AcidRayne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 15:26:28 -0500 (EST) From: Macki Subject: Re: [mitnick] Lamers still on the loose They spelled his name wrong too. On Tue, 8 Dec 1998, Bronc wrote: > Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 10:58:51 -0800 (PST) > From: Bronc > Reply-To: mitnick@2600.com > To: mitnick@2600.com > Subject: [mitnick] Lamers still on the loose > > I guess after sinnerz.com got hacked they decided to get another domain to > draw the heat away from themselves. > > www.mitnick.org > > lame.. > > > regards, > Bronc Buster > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 15:55:38 EST From: ExeRoy@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] Evidence In a message dated 12/8/98 2:58:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, support@tspeed.net writes: << I'll do one better than that -- I'll point out someone with the intelligence necessary to extrapolate from the provided context: >> i didn't want someone that saw it. i just wanted to see where YOU had mentioned it. - - dangerz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 16:06:37 -0400 From: che guevara Subject: Re: [mitnick] Y2K bug... not macs....macs will survive until 27,798 or something SkyFireZ@aol.com wrote: > > After the Y2K bug... wouldnt all the evidence against Kevin become obsolete?? > I know there are ways to protect comps from the Y2K bug, but so far all > attempts at the Y2K compatible computers have failed miserably... > > Just a thought > > AcidRayne - -- :che guevara:: ::: ::: ::: "I never think of the future - it comes soon enough." -albert einstein ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 16:16:23 -0500 (EST) From: Daniel Sissman Subject: Re: [mitnick] Y2K bug... On Tue, 8 Dec 1998 SkyFireZ@aol.com wrote: > After the Y2K bug... wouldnt all the evidence against Kevin become obsolete?? > I know there are ways to protect comps from the Y2K bug, but so far all > attempts at the Y2K compatible computers have failed miserably... Don't count on it. In the first place, there's *NO WAY* Judge Pfaelzer will let things drag out for another year. (despite the trend so far) I think she'd dismiss the case to get rid of it before she'd wait until 2000 for a trial. (And we all know how much she wants to dismiss the case. . .) In the second place, the Y2K bug is not the Good Times virus. (Two main reasons: 1) it can't eradicate every piece of data in the universe. 2) unlike Good Times, Y2K is real.) Ultimately, the evidence the government has against Kevin is fixed. It's not going to be changing between now and the trial, and they're not going to be using it to perform calculations. In this case, Y2K is not an issue. Think of the evidence as a CD-ROM. If your computer goes haywire due to Y2K, your copy of Tomb Raider is still good. Dan Sissman, amateur triviaphile Free Kevin Mitnick! http://www.albany.net/~dsissman http://www.kevinmitnick.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 15:17:49 -0800 (PST) From: Support Services Subject: Re: [mitnick] Evidence On Tue, 08 Dec 1998 11:48:19 -0800, Brian wrote: > > Hey, what the fuck is your problem? My problem stems from a general intolerance of dipshits. I guess that was too difficult for you to extrapolate. > Dangerz, and many others on this list are trying to actually > make this list work with the whole mitnick subject. What the fuck does that non-statement mean? You haven't a clue as to what you're talking about, much less what you're trying to accomplish. But don't take my word for it -- delineate, here on this list, exactly what you're accomplishing, and how. When does the mitnick list "work" and when does it not "work." How does your current response make it "work?" Pimple-popping hypocrite. > and when someone puts their shit in the way, like you do, then > the person is obviously going to try to question it to see if > maybe they dont understand quite well, or if the person that is > shitting with them is just that, shit themselves. > > Youre being a real asshole, Support. SHUT THE FUCK UP! Look sphincter-child, save it for someone who gives a shit... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 19:21:49 -0500 From: "DaRkSiDe" Subject: [mitnick] bad site http://h4x0rz.4h.com/frame1.html THIS SITE IS FOR LAMERS !!! THIS SITE ATTACKS KEVIN MITNICK :( I THINK WE ALL SHOULD ATTACK THIS SITE AND KILL IT...... DaRkSiDe free kevin----free kevin----free kevin----free kevin-----free kevin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 19:26:39 EST From: ExeRoy@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] Evidence In a message dated 12/8/98 7:12:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, support@tspeed.net writes: << On Tue, 08 Dec 1998 11:48:19 -0800, Brian wrote: > > Hey, what the fuck is your problem? My problem stems from a general intolerance of dipshits. I guess that was too difficult for you to extrapolate. > Dangerz, and many others on this list are trying to actually > make this list work with the whole mitnick subject. What the fuck does that non-statement mean? You haven't a clue as to what you're talking about, much less what you're trying to accomplish. But don't take my word for it -- delineate, here on this list, exactly what you're accomplishing, and how. When does the mitnick list "work" and when does it not "work." How does your current response make it "work?" Pimple-popping hypocrite. > and when someone puts their shit in the way, like you do, then > the person is obviously going to try to question it to see if > maybe they dont understand quite well, or if the person that is > shitting with them is just that, shit themselves. > > Youre being a real asshole, Support. SHUT THE FUCK UP! Look sphincter-child, save it for someone who gives a shit... >> blah blah blah. shutup dude. this list works when people like you aren't on it. when noone's fighting. it doesn't work, when we have mr bighead posting flames. why don't you 'save it for someone who gives a shit' son. until then, keep your i think i'm better than everyone cause i can use big words crap off this list. - - dangerz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 21:46:22 -0500 From: Dan Sissman Subject: Re: [mitnick] Lamers still on the loose Just in case anyone's interested. . . Registrant: Hacking for Girliez (MITNICK5-DOM) PO 5342 Fullerton, CA 92635 US Domain Name: MITNICK.ORG Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact: Omega, Cancer (CO1510) comega@SEKURITY.ORG 714-957-1425 Billing Contact: Jeremiah, Johnson (JJ3411) jjohnson@NETCIS.COM 954-749-3602 (FAX) 954-749-5453 Record last updated on 06-Nov-98. Record created on 26-Sep-98. Database last updated on 8-Dec-98 04:15:54 EST. Domain servers in listed order: NS.NETCIS.COM 199.227.10.95 NS2.NETCIS.COM 199.227.88.203 Bronc wrote: > I guess after sinnerz.com got hacked they decided to get another domain to > draw the heat away from themselves. > > www.mitnick.org > > lame.. > > regards, > Bronc Buster - -- Dan Sissman, amateur triviaphile Free Kevin Mitnick! http://www.albany.net/~dsissman http://www.kevinmitnick.com ------------------------------ Date: 8 Dec 98 23:25:12 MST From: Maras Erlenic Subject: Re: [Re: [mitnick] Evidence] you know, i actually gotta agree. this fighting is getting outta hand. can anyone remember why this started, WITHOUT LOOKING BACK AT PAST POSTS? i know i cant, and since i delete most of them after reading, i have no way of looking. owner-mitnick@phalse.2600.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/8/98 7:12:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, > support@tspeed.net writes: > > << On Tue, 08 Dec 1998 11:48:19 -0800, Brian wrote: > > > > Hey, what the fuck is your problem? > > My problem stems from a general intolerance of dipshits. > I guess that was too difficult for you to extrapolate. > > > Dangerz, and many others on this list are trying to actually > > make this list work with the whole mitnick subject. > > What the fuck does that non-statement mean? You haven't a clue > as to what you're talking about, much less what you're trying to > accomplish. But don't take my word for it -- delineate, here on > this list, exactly what you're accomplishing, and how. When does > the mitnick list "work" and when does it not "work." How does > your current response make it "work?" Pimple-popping hypocrite. > > > and when someone puts their shit in the way, like you do, then > > the person is obviously going to try to question it to see if > > maybe they dont understand quite well, or if the person that is > > shitting with them is just that, shit themselves. > > > > Youre being a real asshole, Support. SHUT THE FUCK UP! > > Look sphincter-child, save it for someone who gives a shit... > > >> > blah blah blah. shutup dude. this list works when people like you aren't on > it. when noone's fighting. it doesn't work, when we have mr bighead posting > flames. why don't you 'save it for someone who gives a shit' son. until > then, keep your i think i'm better than everyone cause i can use big words > crap off this list. > > - dangerz ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 22:56:19 -0800 (PST) From: rOTTEN Subject: Re: [mitnick] Shimomura, FBI #2 On Mon, 7 Dec 1998, GonzoGonzalez wrote: > If I'm not mistaken the FBI palced an order for 100 Free Kevin serapes. Boy, those serapes are really catching on! <..rOTTEN..> nobody move, nobody get hurt error187(1) critical failure - - - - - - To do: 1) Update my "To do" list. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 22:59:00 -0800 (PST) From: rOTTEN Subject: Re: [mitnick] Y2K bug... On Tue, 8 Dec 1998 SkyFireZ@aol.com wrote: > After the Y2K bug... wouldnt all the evidence against Kevin become obsolete?? > I know there are ways to protect comps from the Y2K bug, but so far all > attempts at the Y2K compatible computers have failed miserably... > > Just a thought > > AcidRayne Assuming the trial lasts until Jan 1 2000 <..rOTTEN..> nobody move, nobody get hurt error187(1) critical failure - - - - - - To do: 1) Update my "To do" list. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 03:13:32 EST From: Mokkaha@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] Shimomura, FBI #2 In a message dated 12/8/98 11:13:42 PM Pacific Standard Time, rotten@cyberverse.com writes: > <..rOTTEN..> > > nobody move, nobody get hurt > > error187(1) critical failure > - - - - - > To do: 1) Update my "To do" list. > How come I don't get this ending thing any more? Is it something I said? mokkaha > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 04:45:50 EST From: Sacrosantx@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] Shimomura, FBI #2 I still get it ? Maybe something wrong with the mind..its pretty late here..what time is it there? lucid >How come I don't get this ending thing any more? >Is it something I said? >mokkaha ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 01:51:06 PST From: "Kamikaze Kaze" Subject: [mitnick] Reeza! Yes, i`m sure i`m not from Aol. Does anyone have good decrypting program or a site were i can dovnload one? I need one soon, Kamikazen. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 01:53:56 PST From: "Kamikaze Kaze" Subject: [mitnick] TO: MIKE tHAT SEEMS AS A VERY GOOD IDEA, BUT HOW CAN I HELP? Kamkazen. My board is screved up. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 01:57:47 PST From: "Kamikaze Kaze" Subject: [mitnick] To: AcidRayne Is there any metting in Sweden? Kamikazen. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 06:35:45 -0400 From: che guevara Subject: Re: [mitnick] Reeza! umm...maybe pgp? Kamikaze Kaze wrote: > > Yes, i`m sure i`m not from Aol. > Does anyone have good decrypting program or a site were i can dovnload > one? > I need one soon, Kamikazen. > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -- :che guevara:: ::: ::: ::: "I never think of the future - it comes soon enough." -albert einstein ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 06:03:10 -0800 (PST) From: Joseph Heinkel Subject: Re: [mitnick] Evidence - ---Reeza! wrote: > > At 05:44 AM 12/7/98 -0800, Joseph Heinkel wrote: > >---kerry wrote: > >> > >> Well, now that the trial date has been moved back, Kevin will *only* > >> have to look at about 19,000 pages of evidence per day (as of now) in > >> order to review all the evidence by April 20. > >> > > > >I was wondering, what exactly is the information that Kevin has to > >review? How in the world can the gov't have accumulated that much > >evidence in the first place? Or is it just the unencrypted files > >from his hard disk that he is going to review? Plus logs of systems > >that he is accused of breaking into and transcripts of telephone > >conversations? Off Topic but doesn't Kevin have some sort of > >photographic memory too? > > I think you are missing the point. 19,000 pages per day is just a little > over 4.54 seconds per page. Kevin may or may not have a photographic > memory, his memory is not at issue here. The memory of his lawyer, the > ability to see areas of potential attack, to formulate a possible defense, > and move on- all in 4.54 seconds per page, non-stop, beginning now and > running straight through 24 hours a day- until the trial starts, is the > issue. Oh yes, lets scrunch that down to 4 seconds per page, so he will > have time to question witnesses and potential witnesses. > > You don't have to worry about retention 19,000 pages later, do you think > you can read one page of 10 point type in 4.54 seconds??? Um no, but I don't recall asking anyone to mathematically break down how many pages per second he would need to read or whether his lawyer or his mother for that matter has photographic memory. In fact I prefaced that question by saying it was off-topic, it was merely for my own curiousity. The reason I asked about the volume of evidence was because I was hoping a lot of it would not be needed to be reviewed by Kevin or his defense team. Just the idea of reading thru it let alone trying to categorize and come up with possible points of contention boggles my mind. > > Where the evidence came from isn't really at issue here, and it is loudly > proclaimed at www.mitnick.com that Kevin has not surrendered the pass > phrase for the encrypted data. The issue is that the gov't has held this > evidence for some time- evidence they are required to share- but have > withheld from the defense, until the last possible moment. The issue is > that unreasonable allegations have been made that have resulted in the > trampling of Kevins civil rights. > I agree with you on that last comment, but I was not asking about that. I too am disgusted with the government's handling of this case, that is one of the reasons why I subscribe to this list. But I was asking about the evidence, basically of what form it is in. This is very important to the case and to Mitnick as well as he prepares to go to trial. I might be wrong but I think the gov't stated they broke some of the encryption, what this means I don't know, but again I wasn't asking about the encypted files which would of course be unreadable and inadmissable as evidence (why would they print out encrypted files and submit them as evidence for Kevin to read?). > Also at issue, is that there are to many people who know nothing about it > at all, and to many who only know a little bit, and presume their take on > the situation to be informed and correct. Some few of them ask questions > they should already know the answers to. The acronym "RTFM" was not coined > by accident. Agreed. > > Go do your homework. > > Reeza! > > > DH Key available on request > > > "In the land of the blind the one-eyed is king, until the others > find out he can see. Then they kill him" > > -- stolen from another cypherpunk sig > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 14:28:57 -0500 (EST) From: Adrian Parr Subject: [mitnick] How do I unsubscribe? Hi everyone, Can you please remind me how to unsubscribe from the mailing list. Cheers. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 01:43:59 +1000 From: Reeza! Subject: Re: [mitnick] Reeza! At 01:51 AM 12/9/98 PST, Kamikaze Kaze wrote: >Yes, i`m sure i`m not from Aol. >Does anyone have good decrypting program or a site were i can dovnload >one? >I need one soon, Kamikazen. Many good decrypting program available, many site have good decrypting program. Which one you want? Encrypting program go with decrypting program- which one you got? Maybe one and same eh? You say, me not mind reader. Reeza! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 01:58:52 +1000 From: Reeza! Subject: Re: [mitnick] Evidence At 06:03 AM 12/9/98 -0800, Joseph Heinkel wrote: >---Reeza! wrote: >> > >Um no, but I don't recall asking anyone to mathematically break down >how many pages per second he would need to read or whether his lawyer >or his mother for that matter has photographic memory. In fact I >prefaced that question by saying it was off-topic, it was merely for >my own curiousity. The reason I asked about the volume of evidence >was because I was hoping a lot of it would not be needed to be >reviewed by Kevin or his defense team. Just the idea of reading thru >it let alone trying to categorize and come up with possible points of >contention boggles my mind. Your earlier comment begged it. By the list charter, anything that does not specifically help KM in one way or another is "off-topic". His lawyer would be a fool to go to trial without having reviewed all of the evidence that could potentially be used against KM. It shows- it boggles mine also. 19,000 pages of text would be 9 reams, 1 ream shy of a case of paper. To review all of that in 1 day does not seem possible for anything less than a team working together- even then many things will probably not get sufficient attention. > >I agree with you on that last comment, but I was not asking about >that. I too am disgusted with the government's handling of this case, >that is one of the reasons why I subscribe to this list. But I was >asking about the evidence, basically of what form it is in. This is >very important to the case and to Mitnick as well as he prepares to go >to trial. I might be wrong but I think the gov't stated they broke >some of the encryption, what this means I don't know, but again I >wasn't asking about the encypted files which would of course be >unreadable and inadmissable as evidence (why would they print out >encrypted files and submit them as evidence for Kevin to read?). The most complete answer I've seen, is the statement that the evidence is in electronic form- hence part of the gov'ts reluctance to allow access to the defense. Due to the format, a computer is required to review, and they do not want KM to have access to a computer. This restriction was only recently relaxed. I'm sure that others on this list could provide considered opinion- on stuff that isn't available for review at the KM website. Reeza! ============================================================================ ==== DH Key available upon request. The affairs of Men rarely rely on the dictates of logic, or even common sense. "Corruptissima republicae, plurimae leges." -- Tacitus ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 12:22:52 -0500 From: "Megahenry" Subject: Re: [mitnick] How do I unsubscribe? email majordomo@2600.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: Adrian Parr To: Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 1998 2:28 PM Subject: [mitnick] How do I unsubscribe? >Hi everyone, > >Can you please remind me how to unsubscribe >from the mailing list. > >Cheers. > > ------------------------------ End of mitnick-digest V1 #215 *****************************