mitnick-digest Thursday, December 17 1998 Volume 01 : Number 222 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 18:05:39 EST From: Phoenxknt@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] Hacking the government computers...2 Sorry, You must be rubbing off on me << How is this immature comment relevant to Kevin Mitnick? How does it help Kevin in any way? Do you really think that, under the thinly veiled excuse of asking people to kill irrelevant threads, you have the right to post an irrelevant thread yourself? Me thinketh not! >> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 18:05:11 EST From: Phoenxknt@aol.com Subject: Re: Odp: [mitnick] letter to the post I quoted your words jackass, or maybe i should say "dewd". Step down. First, no, I don't have A.D.D., second, yes i've attempted suicide numerous times, so I've been diagnosed manic depressive. Third, I'm thirteen, someone care to explain Bipolar Disorder to me? - -AM << What does any of this have to do with Mitnick, you idiot? While we're at it, if you're going to try and quote what I said, then do it -- cut and paste my exact words. Then at least you'll be less likely to make stupid requests due to your comprehension and attention deficit disorder problem. Not to mention your manic depressive tendencies, coupled with a long family history of bipolar disorder. >> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 18:08:59 EST From: Phoenxknt@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] Support Services Thank You. Thank you. Thank you. Hadda be said :) - -AM << I just rejoined this mailing list, after receiving some forwarded email. I'm too busy preparing for trial to read every message or to stay on the list for long. What I do want to do while on here is find out what this Support person's problem is. You have a problem with the list, or with the people on the list? Take it offline, or I'll take you offline. Your choice. Choose now. >> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 18:27:50 -0500 From: Dan Sissman Subject: Re: [mitnick] from agent steal Emmanuel Goldstein sent Justin Petersen's message along: > In a nutshell, I am guilty of only a technical violation. I was unable to > find employment suitable to my probation officer's taste. Thus, I had not > been able to pay off my $40,000 restitution, nor even make a dent in it. As > an ex-felon with a back injury and a partially missing leg, it has been very > difficult re-establishing myself. Well, if any employer has refused to hire you on the basis of your injuries, I believe you have the basis for a suit under the Americans with Disabilities Act. You should find an attorney. As for your criminal record, maybe you should talk with Ed Cummings, Kevin Poulsen, Len Rose, Mark Abene, etc. I believe they have all served time on technology-related charges, and have all managed to support themselves upon release. If they have some post-release employment secret, maybe they'll share it with you. - -- Dan Sissman, amateur triviaphile Free Kevin Mitnick! http://www.albany.net/~dsissman http://www.kevinmitnick.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 17:16:41 -0800 (PST) From: Support Services Subject: Re: Odp: [mitnick] letter to the post On Tue, 15 Dec 1998 18:05:11 EST, Phoenxknt wrote: > > Third, I'm thirteen, someone care to explain Bipolar Disorder to me? Bipolar disorder is where you have trouble telling North from South. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 19:53:16 -0600 From: Death2040 Subject: Re: Odp: [mitnick] letter to the post >I quoted your words jackass, or maybe i should say "dewd". Step down. First, >no, I don't have A.D.D., second, yes i've attempted suicide numerous times, so >I've been diagnosed manic depressive. Third, I'm thirteen, someone care to >explain Bipolar Disorder to me? manic depression and "bipolar dissorder" are the same thing. bipolar...the 2 xtremes...up and down...all the time....same as mania and depression. they're the 2 xtremes also. bilpolar is the latest term for manic depression...that's all. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 20:17:55 -0600 From: "poiSiN" Subject: Re: Odp: [mitnick] letter to the post >>I quoted your words jackass, or maybe i should say "dewd". Step down. First, >>no, I don't have A.D.D., second, yes i've attempted suicide numerous >times, so >>I've been diagnosed manic depressive. Third, I'm thirteen, someone care to >>explain Bipolar Disorder to me? What Is Manic Depression (Bipolar Disorder)? Manic depression is an medical illness that affects how people think, feel, and behave. It is primarily characterized by recurrent episodes of mania (highs) and depression (lows). There are a few people who have only manic episodes and they, too, are considered to have manic depression. On the other hand, people who experience only episodes of depression and not mania have an illness known as major depression, clinical depression, or unipolar disorder. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 22:49:58 EST From: DINOMITE1@aol.com Subject: Re: Odp: [mitnick] letter to the post bipolar is the same as manic depressive, the literal translation into lamens terms would be mood swing, cause your doing good and the one second later you have a gun to your head ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 07:06:46 EST From: SkyFireZ@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] washington post update - re emmanuel In a message dated 12/15/98 12:54:55 PM Pacific Standard Time, rotten@cyberverse.com writes: > I just had to read through 7 sequential and USELESS posts by you, and not > one of them was funny. Yeah sorry about that, i had 2 days worth of this lists mail in my box yesterday and went a little overboard... Acid ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:46:27 EST From: Bobwil623@aol.com Subject: [mitnick] conclusion, "win at all costs" - pittsburgh post-gazette well, the series about prosecutorial abuses just finished up. it's an amazing look at the lengths prosecutors can and will go to in order to "get their man". the conclusion, posted to the site yesterday, has this interesting info in it, at the link . note in particular the section that begins with ">>>>"... > That same month, Chief U.S. District Judge > Richard Alan Enslen of the Western District of > Michigan ordered the government to pay $404,737 > to lawyers representing a company called Ranger > Electronic Communications Inc. in another Hyde > Amendment case. > > He concluded that federal prosecutors had failed > to disclose evidence that might have helped > prove that the owners of the company were > innocent of charges of illegally importing radio > equipment. > > In his ruling, Judge Enslen, quoted from Hyde's > speech on the floor of the U.S. House of > Representatives during debate on his amendment. > >>>> "...[Some federal prosecutions are] not >>>> just wrong, but willfully wrong . . . >>>> frivolously wrong," the judge stated. >>>> "[These federal prosecutors] keep >>>> information from you that the law says >>>> they must disclose.. . . They suborn >>>> perjury." > > Holland said he was fortunate to have the > resources to fight the government but that it > scared him to think about those who don't. > > "The people who don't have the wherewithal, the > resources or the will to fight the government > when they say you're going to prison for 50 > years, that's bound to scare the hell out of > them," he said. > > He said he found it easy to believe that someone > might plead guilty to a lesser charge, rather > than face a trial and decades in prison. > > "That has made me believe there actually might > be some people in prison who are not guilty," he > said. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:49:52 EST From: Bobwil623@aol.com Subject: [mitnick] conclusion, "win at all costs" #2 and although it may be wise to wait until after clinton gets impeached, the article concludes with this.... > If you would like to contact U.S. Rep. John > Murtha, D-Johnstown, about his effort to > strengthen oversight of the Justice Department, > write to him at this address:... > > The Hon. John Murtha > U.S. House of Representatives > 2423 Rayburn House Office Bldg > Washington, D.C. 20515 > > Phone: 202-225-2065 > > You can also write to House Judiciary Committee > Chairman Henry Hyde at this address:... > The Hon. Henry Hyde > U.S. House of Representatives > 2110 Rayburn House Office Bldg > Washington, D.C. 20515 > > Phone: 202-225-4561 > > Or, you can contact your local representative. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 13:27:53 EST From: mailinglist99@juno.com (Bob L Fraple) Subject: [mitnick] takedown movie sorry to be off-topic, but i have to post something about kevin.. ::note sarcasm:: I've been reading emmanuel's review of the "Takedown" script, and was wondering about the repercussions of this future movie. It will come back to haunt him in later life. Suppose he applies for a job two years from now.. The possible employer has seen the movie. Hmmm, now lets see how the movie portrays Kevin. Racist, violent, a common criminal, etc.. Sounds like someone I'd hire! Kevin probably won't get a fair shot in this world. Especially when you have people like Tsutsomu and John Markoff getting greedy and trying to make a dime anyway they can. Even if that means damaging lives in the process. Believe me, a movie can do plenty of damage to Kevin. Don't pass this off as unimportant. Tsutsomu and John will be lying together in the sand of Hawaii, while Kevin is still here, fighting for his freedom. It seriously pisses me off, and it should piss you off too. Some ideas are to distribute flyers at the movie. Preferably before it starts, because most small-minded people will have their definite opinion of Kevin once they see the movie. Write Miramax, give them your view. I'm not sure of the progress of this movie. Is the script finalized? So i'm not sure how much good it would do writing Miramax, someone please elaborate on this. Forgive my ignorance. There are many things to do, one of my favorite ideas was to get a job at the movie theater and sabotage the film, so it runs a disclaimer basing this story "as fictional and truly off-the-wall..visit kevinmitnick.com for more info." Of course I'm just kidding, no flames needed. - -tmwnn http://719.cjb.net Just your average everyday techno-criminals. ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 18:51:07 -0400 From: che guevara Subject: [mitnick] bylaws & mission statement Here is the first draft of the mission statement: To preach the information about unjusticely treated hackers. Here is the first draft of the bylaws: 1. There shall be no more than one Chapter in one county. 2. If you wish to form a chapter, you must first apply for it with the Headquarters. If accepted, you may not use any other number than the one assigned to you by the Headquarters. 3. If you wish to organize meetings and/or ralleys you must contact the Headquaters first. After the meeting and/or rally you must send a report of the happenings. 4. You must send a chapter representative to any official conventions. 5. You must use your rights as chapter leader or chapter member for the sole purpose of helping the cause. 6. You must pay no less than US$20.00 per year in dues. 7. If you act like an animal or be an asshole, you will be reported to the headquaters and we'll kick your ass out. 8. No one, no matter race, creed, sex, economic status, sexual orientation, et cetera, will be turned away. 9. All chapters are highly encouraged to have a website, but it is not required. You will, however, have an information page per chapter automically generated for searches. 10. All Chapters are incouraged to have meetings, however it is not mandatory. Meetings will only be held in public places, where anyone can sit down and imput knowledge. 11. We act in a responsible manner. We don't do illegal things and we don't cause problems for the place we're meeting in. - -----END---- if you wish to add, organize, or make revisions to this, please do. credit will be given at the end of the document. as of now, credit has only been given to telephreak & me. thank you. - -- :che guevara:: ::: ::: ::: "I never think of the future - it comes soon enough." -albert einstein ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 18:07:08 -0600 From: "Joe Shambro" Subject: [mitnick] Computer Equipment Question (no Mitnick content, just help asking) Does anyone know out there where I can find a Spanish keyboard? Let me know.. thanks. - -Joe =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Joe Shambro Technology Consultant DCS Technologies, LLC | jshambro@apci.net "I'll be your dixie chicken if you'll be my Tennesee lamb, and we'll walk together down in dixie land...." -DJM ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 00:22:43 -0800 (PST) From: rich@paranoid.org Subject: Re: [mitnick] Support Services On Tue, 15 Dec 1998, rOTTEN wrote: [snip] > And you're not fooling anyone, because the REAL Lew has a last name that > is comprised of a "De" before the "Payne". > > Not just "Lew Payne". [snip] Umm, I think I've seen Lewis go by Lew Payne before... Rich ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 19:43:57 -0500 From: Emmanuel Goldstein Subject: [mitnick] live bombing coverage this is off-topic but i think people here may be interested. we just set up www.2600.com to have a live audio feed from wbai's coverage of the Iraq bombing. if you want another side of the story that you won't hear on the major media outlets, give it a listen. emmanuel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 19:42:08 EST From: Sacrosantx@aol.com Subject: [mitnick] Re: Bylaws. (touched up a bit) I was just touching it up a little bit, to my likings. Of course you can tos my version to the recycle bin if you like, but I figured I'd put my touch to it in case you liked it. lucid 1. There shall be only one chapter per county. 2. If you wish to form a chapter, you must first apply for it with the headquarters. If accepted, you may not use any other number than the one assigned to you by the headquarters. 3. If you wish to organize meetings and/or rallies you must contact the headquaters first. After the meeting and/or rally you must send a report of the happenings. 4. You must send a chapter representative to any official conventions. 5. You must use the meetings for the sole purpose to help the unjustly treated. 6. You must pay no less than US$20.00 per year in dues. 7. Immature activity is forbidden. Such continuous activity will be solved with the person(s) removal from the organization. i.e. foul language, pointless arguments etc. 8. Discrimination against race, sex, creed, economic status, sexual orientation will not be accepted and is highly forbidden. 9. All chapters are highly encouraged to create a website, but such is not required. Each chapter will however, have an information page automically generated for search purposes. 10.All Chapters are incouraged to have meetings; however it is not mandatory. Meetings will be held only in public places, where anyone can have accesss. 11.We act in a responsible manner. We don't perform in illegal subjects, and we never cause problems for the meetings location. *Agreement to these terms is required for membership. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 18:38:58 -0800 (PST) From: Support Services Subject: Re: [mitnick] Re: Bylaws. (touched up a bit) > 1. There shall be only one chapter per county. So in a county as large as Los Angeles, someone has to travel more than a hundred miles to go to a meeting, because there can be only one chapter per county. Great. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 18:40:21 -0800 (PST) From: rOTTEN Subject: Re: [mitnick] bylaws & mission statement On Wed, 16 Dec 1998, che guevara wrote: > Here is the first draft of the mission statement: HAHAHAHAH!!!! Man, I can't believe it! You actually DID it? That is so funny. > 2. If you wish to form a chapter, you must first apply for it with the > Headquarters. If accepted, you may not use any other number than the > one assigned to you by the Headquarters. What qualifications does one need to establish a local Free Kevin chapter? Are chapters endorsed by Kevin Mitnick? Where do I get my Free Kevin serape? Who's in charge of merchandising? > 5. You must use your rights as chapter leader or chapter member for the > sole purpose of helping the cause. And not to gain status among friends or the computer underground, right? > 7. If you act like an animal or be an asshole, you will be reported to > the headquaters and we'll kick your ass out. Uh oh... It's possible to get kicked out out a local Free Kevin chapter by two kids in different states? Personally, I think that potential members and potential ex-members should be jumped in and out. That way you could make sure that everybody's DOWN for theirs. You could do it Echo Park style, 30 seconds, 4 homeboys, by my house, against the side of my broken-down Hyundai. And all members should be required to have Free Kevin tattoos...unless they can't get permission from their mom. > 8. No one, no matter race, creed, sex, economic status, sexual > orientation, et cetera, will be turned away. What if someone's anti-Mitnick? What if someone can't afford the mandatory US$20.00? Will you print up fee waivers and/or issue grants or scholarships? Do you issue I-9s for students who want to remain in the country? > 9. All chapters are highly encouraged to have a website, but it is not > required. You will, however, have an information page per chapter > automically generated for searches. And you must have a non-Geocities account...Oh, sorry Teleschmuck. And no freemail accounts...Oh, sorry again. > 10. All Chapters are incouraged to have meetings, however it is not > mandatory. Meetings will only be held in public places, where anyone can > sit down and imput knowledge. Encouraged. Impart knowledge. Check the spelling mistakes before this goes to Beta. > 11. We act in a responsible manner. We don't do illegal things and we > don't cause problems for the place we're meeting in. Very eloquently put. > -----END---- > if you wish to add, organize, or make revisions to this, please do. > credit will be given at the end of the document. as of now, credit has > only been given to telephreak & me. > thank you. Yeah, I don't want any credit, but how 'bout you just drop the official bullshit and just meet? I'd feel better about that because it means that you two don't get my $20 dues. $20 means 8 bottles of malt liquor for me. So when's the jump-in? Wow...I never thought I'd see the day when Telephreak and Che Guevara became OGs. Pruno served at every meeting. Light cigarettes by wall sockets. Hoard tuna fish. Trade pornography for phone time. THAT'S how it should be. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 18:41:18 -0800 (PST) From: rOTTEN Subject: Re: [mitnick] Computer Equipment Question (no Mitnick content, just help asking) On Wed, 16 Dec 1998, Joe Shambro wrote: > Does anyone know out there where I can find a Spanish keyboard? > > Let me know.. thanks. > > -Joe Spain. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 18:42:34 -0800 (PST) From: rOTTEN Subject: Re: [mitnick] Support Services On Thu, 17 Dec 1998 rich@paranoid.org wrote: > > And you're not fooling anyone, because the REAL Lew has a last name that > > is comprised of a "De" before the "Payne". > > > > Not just "Lew Payne". > [snip] > > Umm, I think I've seen Lewis go by Lew Payne before... > > > Rich That's absurd. The REAL Lew DePayne has more pride in himself. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 22:24:58 EST From: DINOMITE1@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] bylaws & mission statement i gotta go w/ rOTTEN on this one, lets jsut pick a time and meet, i would say during 2600 meetings, and if there are enuf people there specifically for the KDM meetings they can have their own meeting. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 22:25:05 -0600 From: "jackdarippa" Subject: Re: [mitnick] bylaws & mission statement - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 i agree, by the time we get thru all the laws etc....mitnick will BE free jackdarippa - - -----Original Message----- From: DINOMITE1@aol.com To: mitnick@2600.com Date: Wednesday, December 16, 1998 10:03 PM Subject: Re: [mitnick] bylaws & mission statement >i gotta go w/ rOTTEN on this one, lets jsut pick a time and meet, i would say >during 2600 meetings, and if there are enuf people there specifically for the >KDM meetings they can have their own meeting. > - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.0 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBNniHoNpIpYADgVGcEQKE9wCfUAfWx8seAn7i6JIXZFWGD3iTM5QAoN34 3OjKRL/ueZHmnO2THOKjAJmw =MPM8 - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 22:06:32 -0800 (PST) From: Support Services Subject: Re: [mitnick] bylaws & mission statement On Wed, 16 Dec 1998 18:40:21 -0800 (PST), rOTTEN wrote: > > On Wed, 16 Dec 1998, che guevara wrote: > > > Here is the first draft of the mission statement: > > HAHAHAHAH!!!! Why don't you stop making fun of stupid people and start making yourself productive? You're in violation of the mission statement, and should be disqualified. I really hope they hand you $20 and tell you to get lost! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 23:05:33 -0800 (PST) From: rOTTEN Subject: Re: [mitnick] bylaws & mission statement On Wed, 16 Dec 1998, Support Services wrote: > Why don't you stop making fun of stupid people and start > making yourself productive? You're in violation of the > mission statement, and should be disqualified. I really > hope they hand you $20 and tell you to get lost! I'm only in violation of the rough draft of the mission statement, which would make ousting me tentative. HA! Now back off, Habeus Crispus, before I don my Free Kevin serape, mutinize the clubhouse, take the marbles, and make myself Supreme Reigning High Holy Priest of the Free Kevin Local Chapters worldwide (tm)(c)(r) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:09:53 +0000 From: kerry Subject: [mitnick] yahoo internet life I got a copy of Yahoo Internet Life magazine (Jan 99 issue) to send Kevin for something to read and I started looking thru it and saw a picture of Kevin on page 99 in the sidebar. I concluded that this wasn't the greatest magazine to send him, for one thing because it's that really old picture they always use (why don't the media stop using that picture, when there are several more recent ones on his site they could use?) and secondly because the text accompanying the picture said almost nothing about Kevin himself, except to call him a "jailed master hacker": The New York Times is forced to shut down its Web Site after a group calling itself Hacking for Girlies alters the site, adding in- sulting remarks about a Times staffer. The group declares soli- darity with jailed master hacker Kevin Mitnick (pictured). The group later disbands. It's on a timeline sort of thing which runs thru the magazine, and this was the only September news item with a photo. Even Kenneth Star didn't get a photo (that came first, and was referred to as history-making), but Kevin Mitnick did, and he was not responsible in any way for the NYT hack incident. Another case of people hearing just one thing about Kevin ("jailed master hacker") and having just the ominous image of the words, news about website hacking, and the picture to remember him by. The impression readers will probably get is -- how could anyone with whom "Hacking for Girlies" "declares solidarity" be a good guy? This is Yahoo, of course... after their website was hacked last year and a Free Kevin message appeared there as well, maybe they're taking a general anti-"hacker" attitude. Nothing else was printed in the magazine about Kevin; unfortunately it seems website hacks get more news than any of the issues they advocate. kerry the source from the hacked site is at http://www.kevinmitnick.com/nythacked.txt *********************************************************** FREE KEVIN bumperstickers http://www.mindspring.com/~jump0 *********************************************************** PO Box 17435 - Raleigh NC 27619 - email jump0@mindspring.com checks/money orders payable to "Free Kevin Publicity Fund" *********************************************************** Stickers are sold at cost plus postage - we make no profit from this effort - donations are split equally between Kevin's Defense Fund and the Free Kevin Publicity Fund. *********************************************************** F R E E K E V I N http://www.KevinMitnick.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 06:33:57 -0400 From: che guevara Subject: Re: [mitnick] Re: Bylaws. (touched up a bit) los angeles is not a 100-mile long county. don't u have a subway system? Support Services wrote: > > > 1. There shall be only one chapter per county. > > So in a county as large as Los Angeles, someone has to travel > more than a hundred miles to go to a meeting, because there > can be only one chapter per county. Great. > - -- :che guevara:: ::: ::: ::: "I never think of the future - it comes soon enough." -albert einstein ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 06:37:33 -0400 From: che guevara Subject: Re: [mitnick] bylaws & mission statement to jackdarippa & DINOMITE, this orginization is not only a FREE KEVIN org. didn't you read the mission statement? - -- :che guevara:: ::: ::: ::: "I never think of the future - it comes soon enough." -albert einstein ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 12:03:06 -0500 From: "h3ndawg" Subject: [mitnick] posted more of the kevin mitnick article I am back to posting the article on kevin so I will add about a page each day check it out and tell me what you think http://www.superior.net/~hbeaudin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 11:19:10 -0800 (PST) From: rOTTEN Subject: Re: [mitnick] bylaws & mission statement On Thu, 17 Dec 1998, che guevara wrote: > to jackdarippa & DINOMITE, this orginization is not only a FREE KEVIN org. > didn't you read the mission statement? Good point. If the 2600 meetings aren't good enough for your high expectations, then do we have a club for YOU!. Little boys, why don't you become more active in the 2600 meetings? Think about it. <..rOTTEN..> nobody move, nobody get hurt error187(1) critical failure - - - - - - To do: 1) Update my "To do" list. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 11:24:17 -0800 (PST) From: rOTTEN Subject: Re: [mitnick] Re: Bylaws. (touched up a bit) On Thu, 17 Dec 1998, che guevara wrote: > los angeles is not a 100-mile long county. It's pretty damn close to 100 miles. If you go from the northernmost part of the San Fernando Valley, down to the northernmost part of Orange Country, it would span close to 100 miles. I don't have my Thomas Guide handy, so I don't even know the exact boundaries of LA County. So what changes will you make to your wack-ass bylaws? > don't u have a subway system? No, but we do have the buddy system. That means that Telephreak and you will have to hold hands when swimming. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 16:29:16 EST From: mailinglist99@juno.com (Bob L Fraple) Subject: [mitnick] misc.. Just another point about the "Takedown" movie.. Does anyone think it will bring a new wave of wannabe hackers onto the internet? If anyone remembers the movie "Hackers", it brought in an enormous amount of zero cools and acid burns.. or variations at least.. lol Does anyone believe the "Takedown" movie will influence future Kevin Mitnicks? Also another tip on publicizing the Mitnick case. I had an ad placed in a rather large computer magazine here in Colorado. The readership is several thousand people, if anyone lives around here, the magazine is Peak Computing, and the certain issue will appear on Dec. 24.. I suggest looking into doing the same (if you have such a publication) It could prove to be a very valuable resource. - -tmwnn http://719.cjb.net "Just your average everyday techno-criminals." ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 17:05:51 EST From: SkyFireZ@aol.com Subject: [mitnick] Fwd: Wired Celebrates 6th Anniversary With Industry's First... This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --part0_913932352_boundary Content-ID: <0_913932352@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII In a message dated 12/17/98 6:02:11 AM Pacific Standard Time, AOL News writes: > Exile.com -- A Convicted Hacker's Life on the Outside > > Also in the January issue, the first-person account of a convicted hacker > who, during his five years in prison, missed the growth of the Internet -- > only to be freed on the condition that he was barred from the Internet for > almost three years. On the eve of the trial of notorious hacker Kevin Mitnick, > Wired's Kevin Poulsen tells his own true story. > This is an excerpt from what basically is an advertisement for the new "Wired" mag... As you can see, Mr. Mitnick is mentioned.....I just wanted to point out... His name is once again.."Notorious" Below are contacts for Wired reps and employees. Contact: Shelley Tatum Director of Media Relations Voice: 415-276-5162 Fax: 415-276-5100 statum@wired.com Jennifer Polansky JP Communications Voice: 212-813-1700 Fax: 212-813-0658 JPComm@aol.com SOURCE Wired Magazine CO: Wired Ventures, Inc. ST: California IN: CPR MLM PUB AcidRayne - --part0_913932352_boundary Content-ID: <0_913932352@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: AOLNews@aol.com Return-path: Subject: Wired Celebrates 6th Anniversary With Industry's First... Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:02:11 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Wired Celebrates 6th Anniversary With Industry's First 'Scratch-Off' Cover Plus the Exclusive Wired Diaries - Techno-Truth-or-Dare With Donald Trump, The Dalai Lama and More SAN FRANCISCO, Dec. 17 /PRNewswire/ -- Never known to shrink from the forefront, Wired has scored another first with its January issue -- an interactive cover inviting readers to scratch the center of a crystal ball to see into the future. The scratch-off cover is implemented on all issues -- newsstand and subscriber -- with the crystal ball, floating in the midst of a vivid blue cover, concealing the last word in the headline "The Future is all about ..." "Of course we were determined to do something eye-catching for our anniversary issue," says Katrina Heron, Editor-in-Chief. "In keeping with this issue's exploration of our personal relationships with technology, we decided to create an interactive experience for our readers." The scratch-off cover is a first in magazine publishing. Wired Diaries: Techno-Truth-or-Dare with Donald Trump, the Dalai Lama and More In a collection of candid conversations with everyone from CEOs and scientists to activists and authors, Wired's January issue presents remarkable personal revelations about our relationships with our tools. Francis Ford Coppola: "When I was a boy, I was paralyzed with polio. I became interested in remote controls." The Dalai Lama: "Generally, I like movies ... one thing I liked was the late Kojak ... Every time I saw him, I thought 'Oh! Very beautiful. Very beautiful!'" Halsey Minor: "I want Nathan Myrhvold's jet. Not just any jet. I want Nathan's jet." Ani DiFranco: "The last thing I want to do in life, other than have my toenails pulled out one by one, is to look at any of those Internet sites about me." Donald Trump: "Any technology developed solely because it can be developed should not be developed." The Truth About Vibrators As Cynthia King reveals in "Love Machines," a certain mass-market appliance has a very secret history. Long before the vacuum cleaner became a household word, vibrators were standard medical procedure for treating female "hysteria." Exile.com -- A Convicted Hacker's Life on the Outside Also in the January issue, the first-person account of a convicted hacker who, during his five years in prison, missed the growth of the Internet -- only to be freed on the condition that he was barred from the Internet for almost three years. On the eve of the trial of notorious hacker Kevin Mitnick, Wired's Kevin Poulsen tells his own true story. Short Term Prophets -- Day-Traders on the Internet Wired's Steve Bodow takes a ride with some day-trading fanatics, whose religion is fast money -- very fast. What else is happening in New Money, New Media and Crucial Tech? For this and the latest from Jargon Watch, Electric Word and Street Cred, don't miss the January issue of Wired. The January issue of Wired hits newsstands on December 18th. Contact: Shelley Tatum Director of Media Relations Voice: 415-276-5162 Fax: 415-276-5100 statum@wired.com Jennifer Polansky JP Communications Voice: 212-813-1700 Fax: 212-813-0658 JPComm@aol.com SOURCE Wired Magazine CO: Wired Ventures, Inc. ST: California IN: CPR MLM PUB SU: 12/17/98 09:01 EST http://www.prnewswire.com To edit your profile, go to keyword NewsProfiles. For all of today's news, go to keyword News. - --part0_913932352_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 17:21:34 EST From: SkyFireZ@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] misc.. In a message dated 12/17/98 1:51:28 PM Pacific Standard Time, mailinglist99@juno.com writes: > Just another point about the "Takedown" movie.. Does anyone think it will > bring a new wave of wannabe hackers onto the internet? > If anyone remembers the movie "Hackers", it brought in an enormous amount > of zero cools and acid burns.. or variations at least.. lol > Does anyone believe the "Takedown" movie will influence future Kevin > Mitnicks? I dont really fear the fact that this will influence kids the way hackers did. Not only are the characters adults, but Hackers made hacking look like a laser light show. I'm sure that Takedown will take a more realistic approach. Hopefully desktops will not move, and screens wont blast out colors like a spotlight. And I'm sure Takedown wont have us flying through 3D hard drive cities..... AcidRayne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:49:29 -0800 From: "Caliban Tiresias Darklock" Subject: Re: [mitnick] misc.. - -----Original Message----- From: SkyFireZ@aol.com To: mitnick@2600.com Date: Thursday, December 17, 1998 3:03 PM Subject: Re: [mitnick] misc.. >Hackers made hacking look like a laser light show. >I'm sure that Takedown will take a more realistic approach. I always interpreted that as an artistic decision; since hacking is very boring to watch but very exciting to do, let's show the audience something that reflects the excitement of actual hacking and not the boredom of watching someone else hacking. I was reasonably impressed by that decision, myself, since instead of confronting the issue of how technically correct to make the depiction they just ignored it -- concentrating instead on metaphors. Most of what Hackers depicted was a literal interpretation of the language used in most cyberpunkish novels, like "his face bathed in the multicolored glow of a computer screen" or "floating through a vast city of datastores" or even "speeding across the circuit board in a flurry of spinning electrons" -- and it was a really well-designed vision of all of these. Sure, it was glitzy and glamorous and really didn't look like you were REALLY watching people hack, but you have to remember that the movie wasn't filmed for hackers to go see. If it was, it would have been distributed on the net as four thousand and ninety-six UUencoded parts that assembled into one big password-protected archive -- which you would know the password to if you had the right connections, and if you didn't, then you could crack it rather trivially if you were a real hacker -- that contained four text files of the credits and a really big honking MPEG. Yeah, it was really stupid to think that was what hacking looked like... but it sure as hell is what it feels like. To me, anyway. I'm sure lots of people out there think hacking really is just as boring as watching text scroll up the screen. (Or conversely that watching text scroll is as exciting as hacking... which is probably an indication of someone VERY easy to please.) But if you don't think hacking is wondrous and beautiful and exciting, why the hell would you do it? If Takedown really wants to keep everyone happy with the depiction of the hacking, then none of it should happen on camera in the first place. | Caliban Tiresias Darklock caliban@darklock.com | Darklock Communications http://www.darklock.com/ | U L T I M A T E U N I V E R S E I S N O T D E A D | 774577496C6C6E457645727355626D4974H -=CABAL::3146=- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 19:49:09 EST From: SkyFireZ@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] misc.. In a message dated 12/17/98 4:15:48 PM Pacific Standard Time, caliban@darklock.com writes: > I always interpreted that as an artistic decision; since hacking is very > boring to watch but very exciting to do, let's show the audience something > that reflects the excitement of actual hacking and not the boredom of > watching someone else hacking. Don't get me wrong, I thoroughly enjoyed hackers... In fact, it fueled my interest in hacking more than anything else ever had. I was sure of the fact (from the beginning) however, that hacking wasn't how they portrayed it in the movie. My point was that I'm sure that a lot of people probably started hacking in the hopes that they would figure out how to make nifty animated desktops and magically pull laptops out of their pockets as was portrayed in the movie. Hell, I'd have started hacking so that I can meet someone like Acid Burn had I not known better. I'm sure you get my point. I must however say that I am eager to see Takedown. Whether I knew of Kevin Mitnick and his story, this movie would have caught my interests as soon as I heard of it. I just trust the fact that because the whole movie isn't about hacking, and also includes the main plot of Mitnicks capture, that this movie should be a little more realistic (with the exception of the reported screaming modems). Later, AcidRayne ------------------------------ End of mitnick-digest V1 #222 *****************************