mitnick-digest Sunday, December 20 1998 Volume 01 : Number 224 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 21:25:00 EST From: Phoenxknt@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] [followers; hackers] misc.. Watch hackers, pay attention, they STOPPED an ecological disaster! No, not good guys or anything. - -AM << Argh....I'm not to active on the string...I don't think I could even be called a hacker in a computer sense (though if you've ever read Neal Stephenson's "Snow Krash", and I reccomend you do, i guess i could be a hacker in a broad- based sense regarding knowledge in general), but this sickens me...I mean.... "Hackers" could have been so much more. The term could mean good guys who tinker with a new technology and make it better, improving it to make the world a better place. Indeed, this is what it should mean. But with the rapid and exponentially increase influx of bored, nasty kids and home-grown software pirates who use daddy's CD burner to gyp companies out of $50 and call it hacking, and arrogant thugs who use their "talent" of exploiting holes in security already publicized and sprawling obscenities all over pages just because, the press has come to associate the term with badness.... ...We have been asking the press for a long time to respect true hackers, and don't apply the term to lowlifes. But they don't listen...maybe, just maybe, we can't take matters into our own hands somehow.... Can anyone think of a way to form some sort of vigilante justice group, to stop the bad 13 year olds (not all of them are bad, I'm sure...I won't even venture a guess as to what percent, I just don't know) and the others who exploit the term of hackers....the ones amongst the knowledge seekers who seek but do not damage should find some way of punishing the ones who mindlessly destruct. The trouble comes in with our government....the most logical way would simply be to turn them in...but as bad as what they do is, the american government would take them and abuse them beyond a point of their badness. So what is it that we can do to create justice without letting the goverment get involved? ~wayne >> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 21:28:54 EST From: Phoenxknt@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] [followers; hackers] misc.. Ignore it, Maybe it'll go away. - -AM << I've got to add my million dollar comment to this one. What about the kid who sits at home with SoftICE and other debugging tools, and cracks the serial number on protected software? Now there's a good old-fashioned HACKER! Yes, he's a "cracker" -- but that's just a subsidiary of HACKER. Kind of like the binomial system of nomen- clature. Hackerus cracker, Hackerus webvandalus, Hackerus domesticus. Don't forget, Cuercas Alba too! >> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 21:40:37 EST From: Phoenxknt@aol.com Subject: [mitnick] Is Mr. Mitnick's trial going to be televised? I was wondering if the Court trial will be on T.V., because I can't go to the trial. (Trust me, I begged my parents, since its going on through my birthday, and they got mad :[ ). If it is on TV could someone tell me when, and if not, can Mr. Godlstein convince WBAI (Luv that frequency, the Best country station in america's on 99.5 in Chicago!) to broadcast the proceedings? Thank you. - -Absolute Matter (PS| Yes Yes, I know, I promised I'd never post on topic...I'm very ashamed of myself) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 18:50:40 PST From: "TelePhreak -" Subject: Re: [mitnick] washington post update what about debating with markoff? just a thought ---------------------FREE KEVIN - -TelePhreak of The Phone Rangers Email: telephrk@hotmail.com ICQ: 10886438 mIRC: telephrk Aol IM: TelePhrk 0 http://welcome.to/phonerangers http://phonerangers.cjb.net ---------------------FREE KEVIN ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 01:54:45 EST From: EmpAllin@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] Is Mr. Mitnick's trial going to be televised? In a message dated 98-12-18 21:42:06 EST, Phoenxknt@aol.com wrote: > I was wondering if the Court trial will be on T.V., because I can't go to > the > trial. (Trust me, I begged my parents, since its going on through my > birthday, > and they got mad :[ ). If it is on TV could someone tell me when, and if not, > > can Mr. Godlstein convince WBAI (Luv that frequency, the Best country > station > in america's on 99.5 in Chicago!) to broadcast the proceedings? Thank you. The trial itself will not be televised because of the laws sounding federal trials, so there will be Court TV coverage. Beacause of these same laws WBAI will not be able to broadcast it either. This case, however, is pretty much ear-marked for publicity (We'll see how acurate) once it actually goes goes to trial. - -Allin Mitnick Mailing List Archive http://members.tripod.com/~empallin/Free_Kevin_Mitnick/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 10:15:06 EST From: SkyFireZ@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] [followers; hackers] misc.. In a message dated 12/17/98 7:21:48 PM Pacific Standard Time, Sacrosantx@aol.com writes: > Hello all of my on-line friends and foes, on December 20th there is going to > be an AOL riot. All of the hackers of AOL I would like to unite together, > from the biggest network hackers to the smallest chat room hackers I would > like for you all to do your part. I want to see all of you > tossing/punting/terming as many people as you see.... I'm glad you posted this message..... I'll see to it any lamer who participates in this so called "aol riot" is terminated from their account... I hate the kids who think they are hackers because they can press the punt button... ::sigh:: AcidRayne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 10:56:47 -0800 (PST) From: Support Services Subject: Re: [mitnick] [followers; hackers] misc.. On Sat, 19 Dec 1998 10:15:06 EST, SkyFireZ wrote: > > I'm glad you posted this message..... I'll see to it any lamer who > participates in this so called "aol riot" is terminated from their > account... I hate the kids who think they are hackers because they > can press the punt button... ::sigh:: AcidRayne My computer's bullshit detector went off when I ran across your post. Exactly how are you going to know who's participating in the aol riot? Oh, and by the way, what can *you* do besides press "punt?" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 10:59:47 -0800 (PST) From: Support Services Subject: Re: [mitnick] Re: Bylaws. (touched up a bit) On Fri, 18 Dec 1998 18:06:02 PST, kenneth sooyna wrote: > > instead of naming specific counties how about instead put in > somesort of population thing. like they get two groups if the > have x number of people in the county and three groups if they > have y number of people in the county. That would be great! Another thought that comes to mind is there should be some clause in the bylaws that says ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 12:22:33 -0800 (PST) From: rOTTEN Subject: Re: [mitnick] [followers; hackers] misc.. On Sat, 19 Dec 1998 SkyFireZ@aol.com wrote: > I'm glad you posted this message..... I'll see to it any lamer who > participates in this so called "aol riot" is terminated from their account... > I hate the kids who think they are hackers because they can press the punt > button... ::sigh:: > > AcidRayne Oh goodie! We have a rat in our midst. Go to work, civilian TOSer. <..rOTTEN..> nobody move, nobody get hurt error187(1) critical failure - - - - - - It was once said by a man who couldn't quit, "Dopeman, please can I have another hit?" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 13:03:16 PST From: "kenneth sooyna" Subject: Re: [mitnick] Re: Bylaws. (touched up a bit) you want to try that post again? i didn't quite catch the end of it. the thinker - - http://thinker.findhere.com **** NOW 100% ALL-NATURAL FIBERS **** http://listen.to/duz icq:19173887 >From: Support Services > > >On Fri, 18 Dec 1998 18:06:02 PST, kenneth sooyna wrote: >> >> instead of naming specific counties how about instead put in >> somesort of population thing. like they get two groups if the >> have x number of people in the county and three groups if they >> have y number of people in the county. > >That would be great! Another thought that comes to mind is there >should be some clause in the bylaws that says > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 16:38:21 -0500 (EST) From: ksandre Subject: [mitnick] Chicago - Michael Moore TIX Attention: CHICAGO area folks This might be an opportunity get a FREE KEVIN message out (banner?): - --------< forward from Michael Moores's WEB Site >------------------ M i c h a e l M oo r e is coming to Chicago to tape his new TV series, The Awful Truth. Taping will take place during the last two weeks of January 1999! Don't miss the mayhem! 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I'll do the same, cause i hate it and i think its said that people think they're master hack's cause they can click the mouse. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 18:28:53 EST From: DINOMITE1@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] [followers; hackers] misc.. rOTTEN and Acid, i sense the underlying conflict... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 18:29:05 EST From: DINOMITE1@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] [followers; hackers] misc.. rOTTEN and Acid, i sense the underlying conflict... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 18:28:58 EST From: DINOMITE1@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] [followers; hackers] misc.. rOTTEN and Acid, i sense the underlying conflict... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 18:52:10 EST From: KetraSaj@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] [followers; hackers] misc.. Generally, I don't agree with ratting people out. But these cheesy, stupid, "AOL RIOT" things deserve it. I mean, come on. If you're going to take action in an form of social protest, have a cause. God knows there are enough causes worth having. ~wayne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 16:14:30 -0800 (PST) From: rOTTEN Subject: Re: [mitnick] [followers; hackers] misc.. On Sat, 19 Dec 1998 KetraSaj@aol.com wrote: > Generally, I don't agree with ratting people out. But these cheesy, stupid, > "AOL RIOT" things deserve it. I mean, come on. If you're going to take > action in an form of social protest, have a cause. God knows there are enough > causes worth having. It's a victimless crime, and you dont' get a reward, so don't waste your time. They have a security department, let them figure it out. It's not like you people are putting rapists behind bars. Come ON! <..rOTTEN..> nobody move, nobody get hurt error187(1) critical failure - - - - - - It was once said by a man who couldn't quit, "Dopeman, please can I have another hit?" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 19:26:25 EST From: KetraSaj@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] [followers; hackers] misc.. In a message dated 98-12-19 19:23:29 EST, you write: << It's a victimless crime >> There is never a victimless riot. The whole point of insurgency is that the whole situation is tense, and violent on some level. People get hurt, in one way or another...the trick to deciding whether or not to mount insurrection is deciding if the pros are worth the cons. AOL Rioting "lamers" are the a major portion of the reason that real hackers like many of you on this list are alienated. If you don't take action, does that mean you like the dark mislabel? Not totally, but to a degree... ~wayne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 19:43:53 EST From: Phoenxknt@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] [followers; hackers] misc.. Alot more than you Mr. Tech Support. Acid happens to be quite intelligent and you should respect that. - -AM << My computer's bullshit detector went off when I ran across your post. Exactly how are you going to know who's participating in the aol riot? Oh, and by the way, what can *you* do besides press "punt?" >> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 19:48:21 EST From: Phoenxknt@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] [followers; hackers] misc.. Its not ratting. Well not in a bad sense. Punting and Terming are Denials of Service, YOU don't have to deal with these, WE do. I dno't go in chats much but there are the semi-common RPG raids whereas you'll be RPing (the only thing AOL in and of itself is good for) and suddenly the room is "busted" by pups. I do disagree with the reporting for the most part. They all use "Leet ass Phishes dewdz". heh. I find it funny to notify the person who owns that account instead. Now if you're sure they're on their real, I would say then yes report them. They think they're hackers. Is this any different than kicking a lamer from a BBS because of extreme incompetence? No, its just for lesser forms of communications - -AM << Oh goodie! We have a rat in our midst. Go to work, civilian TOSer. >> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 19:50:36 EST From: Phoenxknt@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] [followers; hackers] misc.. Convince your parents that you weren't committing credit card fraud or if you pay for your own try convincing the Techs four times in a day. No, Not victimless. - -AM << It's a victimless crime, and you dont' get a reward, so don't waste your time. They have a security department, let them figure it out. It's not like you people are putting rapists behind bars. Come ON! >> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 19:04:28 -0600 From: "poiSiNous" Subject: Re: [mitnick] [followers; hackers] misc.. "A lot" is two words. I agree with Support. Your silly cyber vigilante act is a pointless waste of time. So, a bunch of idiots with *punters* are going to riot. "whoopie-doo". Maybe that is what it will take for AOL to beef up their security and de-moron-ize their service. ~poiSiNous - -----Original Message----- From: Phoenxknt@aol.com To: mitnick@2600.com Date: Saturday, December 19, 1998 6:52 PM Subject: Re: [mitnick] [followers; hackers] misc.. >Alot more than you Mr. Tech Support. Acid happens to be quite intelligent and >you should respect that. > >-AM > ><< My computer's bullshit detector went off when I ran across your post. > Exactly how are you going to know who's participating in the aol riot? > Oh, and by the way, what can *you* do besides press "punt?" > >> > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 20:07:17 EST From: Phoenxknt@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] [followers; hackers] misc.. You all seem to forget that they kill accounts too. - -AM << "A lot" is two words. I agree with Support. Your silly cyber vigilante act is a pointless waste of time. So, a bunch of idiots with *punters* are going to riot. "whoopie-doo". Maybe that is what it will take for AOL to beef up their security and de-moron-ize their service. ~poiSiNous >> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 19:13:13 -0600 From: "poiSiNous" Subject: Re: [mitnick] [followers; hackers] misc.. - -----Original Message----- From: Phoenxknt@aol.com >Convince your parents that you weren't committing credit card fraud or if you >pay for your own try convincing the Techs four times in a day. No, Not >victimless. Utterly absurd. Do you really think AOL is not going to notice a "riot"? Do you really think they will let it go and blame *whomever* for a bunch of moronic actions of ignorant lamers? What do their ittle *punters* have to do with credit card fraud? OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOh...are they going to use those "31337 H4X0R phishers" that ask people for their credit card info or password in IMs? How crafty! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 20:21:08 EST From: Phoenxknt@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] [followers; hackers] misc.. Doesn't matter, it still gets you termed. And AOL doesn't give two shits about its customers. Last one of these i got termed twice in a day and they had to verify that something happened. Trust me, these are annoying as all hell to anyone on aol. And then fine, try convincing your parents even if aol DID care about this. The riot isn't as well planned as your giving it credit for. Sadly, i used to take part in these. :(. Anyone on here who cares, stay out of PRs: Stuff ; Hey; Leet ; ieet ; and phreak . during these damned things, Those are what we used to hit. Lobbies are a risk, but no one with ANY intelligence (at least the pups CAN click the mouse, tho i don't recommend using AOChats anyway) hangs out there anyway. - -AM << Utterly absurd. Do you really think AOL is not going to notice a "riot"? Do you really think they will let it go and blame *whomever* for a bunch of moronic actions of ignorant lamers? What do their ittle *punters* have to do with credit card fraud? OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOh...are they going to use those "31337 H4X0R phishers" that ask people for their credit card info or password in IMs? How crafty! >> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 18:13:17 -0800 (PST) From: rOTTEN Subject: Re: [mitnick] [followers; hackers] misc.. On Sat, 19 Dec 1998 Phoenxknt@aol.com wrote: > Convince your parents that you weren't committing credit card fraud or if you > pay for your own try convincing the Techs four times in a day. No, Not > victimless. > > -AM What? You're not making sense. We were talking about people causing an AOL riot, not about your problems with your parents. Who's going to die as a result? Who's going to have their shops destroyed, or have their lives upturned? Nobody. It's a gag. It's a fucking LAME one, but it's a gag. And everybody wants to be a hero. To all those people who say "I'll see to it that..." or "I won't stop until..." I say BULLSHIT. You'll stop when it's time to eat dinner. You'll stop when it's time to go to sleep for the night. Your synthetic activism is joke-worthy, and that's all that validity I'll place behind it. You can do whatever you want, but I think you're wasting your time trying to help AOL out. AOL just wants your money, and they'd never help YOU out if you needed it. Shit, I remember way back when, their high speed lines were for their OWN use. They made everybody else download at 2400, 9600 MAX!. not to mention, they charged you for the time you were downloading. Your attitude toward AOL should be: "You don't care for me, so who gives a FUCK about you?" Thanks NWA. Then again, maybe I just don't see the point behind the whistle-blowing. If not, then I'll shut up. <..rOTTEN..> nobody move, nobody get hurt error187(1) critical failure - - - - - - It was once said by a man who couldn't quit, "Dopeman, please can I have another hit?" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 18:15:47 -0800 (PST) From: rOTTEN Subject: Re: [mitnick] [followers; hackers] misc.. On Sat, 19 Dec 1998 Phoenxknt@aol.com wrote: > You all seem to forget that they kill accounts too. > > -AM So what? This is some shit you need to report to TOS BEFORE the "riot". Why wait until the last minute? If you wait until then, you're just going to be one in MANY who are complaining about the riot. How many letters have you sent to AOL to encourage them to increase their security? Why wait for action when it's too late? <..rOTTEN..> nobody move, nobody get hurt error187(1) critical failure - - - - - - It was once said by a man who couldn't quit, "Dopeman, please can I have another hit?" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 21:20:52 EST From: Phoenxknt@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] [followers; hackers] misc.. Actually I was just saying to protect myself. - -AM << What? You're not making sense. We were talking about people causing an AOL riot, not about your problems with your parents. Who's going to die as a result? Who's going to have their shops destroyed, or have their lives upturned? Nobody. It's a gag. It's a fucking LAME one, but it's a gag. And everybody wants to be a hero. To all those people who say "I'll see to it that..." or "I won't stop until..." I say BULLSHIT. You'll stop when it's time to eat dinner. You'll stop when it's time to go to sleep for the night. Your synthetic activism is joke-worthy, and that's all that validity I'll place behind it. You can do whatever you want, but I think you're wasting your time trying to help AOL out. AOL just wants your money, and they'd never help YOU out if you needed it. Shit, I remember way back when, their high speed lines were for their OWN use. They made everybody else download at 2400, 9600 MAX!. not to mention, they charged you for the time you were downloading. Your attitude toward AOL should be: "You don't care for me, so who gives a FUCK about you?" Thanks NWA. Then again, maybe I just don't see the point behind the whistle-blowing. If not, then I'll shut up. >> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 21:23:09 EST From: Phoenxknt@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] [followers; hackers] misc.. << So what? This is some shit you need to report to TOS BEFORE the "riot". >> They don't listen << Why wait until the last minute? >> I don't << If you wait until then, you're just going to be one in MANY who are complaining about the riot. How many letters have you sent to AOL to encourage them to increase their security? >> 7 lately << Why wait for action when it's too late? >> uhm, see above ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 18:37:19 -0800 From: Internet for All Customer Service Subject: Re: [mitnick] [followers; hackers] misc.. >Punting and Terming are Denials of > Service, YOU don't have to deal with these, WE do Ever heard of a pingflood or UDP flood? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 21:39:05 EST From: Phoenxknt@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] [followers; hackers] misc.. Yes, but you all act as if this is nothing, - -AM << >Punting and Terming are Denials of > Service, YOU don't have to deal with these, WE do Ever heard of a pingflood or UDP flood? >> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 18:57:03 -0800 (PST) From: rOTTEN Subject: Re: [mitnick] [followers; hackers] misc.. On Sat, 19 Dec 1998 Phoenxknt@aol.com wrote: > This is some shit you need to report to TOS BEFORE the "riot". > >> > They don't listen Then fuck 'em. Let them deal with the lawsuits. Trust me. It's not your problem. > How many letters have you sent to AOL to encourage them to increase their > security? > >> > 7 lately And no action? Fuck 'em. > Why wait for action when it's too late? > >> > uhm, see above And see my reply. Fuck 'em. <..rOTTEN..> nobody move, nobody get hurt error187(1) critical failure - - - - - - It was once said by a man who couldn't quit, "Dopeman, please can I have another hit?" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 22:53:06 EST From: SkyFireZ@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] [followers; hackers] misc.. In a message dated 12/19/98 11:10:58 AM Pacific Standard Time, support@tspeed.net writes: > My computer's bullshit detector went off when I ran across your post. > Exactly how are you going to know who's participating in the aol riot? > Oh, and by the way, what can *you* do besides press "punt?" I'm going to respond, yet please note my apathy to your post. > Exactly how are you going to know who's participating in the aol riot? Because I can simply see whats going on in the chat rooms... scrollers, punters, and TOS'ers all scroll in the chatrooms.. its not hard to figure out. > Oh, and by the way, what can *you* do besides press "punt?" I'm afraid I have better things to do than punt people offline, as I see it's better to demean and embarass them instead. It's much easier to make people look stupid than to kill their internet connection anyhow. In short, I don't press "punt". Acid ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 22:56:44 EST From: SkyFireZ@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] [followers; hackers] misc.. In a message dated 12/19/98 3:38:25 PM Pacific Standard Time, DINOMITE1@aol.com writes: > rOTTEN and Acid, i sense the underlying conflict... I don't see much of a conflict... we pretty much went through that. Besides, I find rOTTEN to be quite entertaining at times. Acid ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 20:09:32 -0800 (PST) From: Support Services Subject: Re: [mitnick] [followers; hackers] misc.. If "acid" is so intelligent, why does he have a moron like you for his spokesperson? Do you really expect to garner respect for your Acid friend by 1) Speaking on his behalf, and 2) Not being able to come up with anything more concrete than "A lot more than you..." On Sat, 19 Dec 1998 19:43:53 EST, Phoenxknt wrote: > > A lot more than you Mr. Tech Support. Acid happens to be > quite intelligent and you should respect that. -AM > > << My computer's bullshit detector went off when I ran across your > << post. Exactly how are you going to know who's participating in > << the aol riot? Oh, and by the way, what can *you* do besides > << press "punt?" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 23:13:07 EST From: SkyFireZ@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] [followers; hackers] misc.. In a message dated 12/19/98 6:28:01 PM Pacific Standard Time, rotten@cyberverse.com writes: > Your attitude toward AOL should be: > > "You don't care for me, > so who gives a FUCK about you?" If you look at the subject of the conversation, thats exactly what this is about. I'm not doing this to help aol. I don't give 2 shits about aol, I'm doing it because it pisses me off. It's a lot like when I see some white kid walkin down the street, with Tommy Hilfiger pants hangin off his ass, and his hat turned sideways, with 20 lbs. of crappy silver jewlery, I tell him to pull his pants up and get a job. I don't do that to save other people from having to look at this kid, I do it so that maybe next time I wont have too. I realize that I am putting my ass on the line for making the comparison... so... fire away flamers!! acid ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 23:16:33 EST From: SkyFireZ@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] [followers; hackers] misc.. In a message dated 12/19/98 6:51:59 PM Pacific Standard Time, service@internetforall.com writes: > Ever heard of a pingflood or UDP flood? And what is it that you do about that? Do you sit back and say "Oh lord! That was a wonderful pingflood (or UDP flood)! Gosh, I hope it doesn't happen again.." Or perhaps you do what you can to make sure it doesn't happen again next time. Acid ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 23:18:31 EST From: SkyFireZ@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] [followers; hackers] misc.. In a message dated 12/19/98 11:10:58 AM Pacific Standard Time, support@tspeed.net writes: > My computer's bullshit detector went off Where can I get one of those?? Acid ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 23:41:36 EST From: KetraSaj@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] [followers; hackers] misc.. Ago...yet another point... why should AOL de-moronize their service? Most people aren't incredibly apt with technology, and a vast majority of the population is a group of adults who have full time jobs and families, therefore do not have the time to become majorly good at computers. So, they use America Online, a very simple service, in order to gain access to a more metropolitan world than suburban life in america. I am not a part of that group, but i know many of them. Now, are you saying that AOL should make their service harder to use but more powerful, alienate hundreds of thousands of customers, just so that kids who want to call themselves "eleete hackerz" can try to punt but be met with hardened security people? Anyone who defends the actions of the people who give themselves a bad name is missing something. ~wayne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 23:44:13 EST From: KetraSaj@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] [followers; hackers] misc.. I've noticed that the people who are most against activism are those who don't have the patience to see it's fruits ripen. ~wayne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 20:56:20 -0800 From: Internet for All Customer Service Subject: Re: [mitnick] [followers; hackers] misc.. It IS nothing, compared to what we have to put up with. If you don't like AOL, you can choose a different ISP (I use the term loosely) It's not that easy to move a server, just because of some assholes. So, in my opinion, what you have to put up with IS nothing compared to what I have to put up with. Phoenxknt@aol.com wrote: > > Yes, but you all act as if this is nothing, > -AM > > << >Punting and Terming are Denials of > > Service, YOU don't have to deal with these, WE do > > Ever heard of a pingflood or UDP flood? > >> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 23:09:11 -0600 From: "poiSiNous" Subject: Re: [mitnick] [followers; hackers] misc.. - -----Original Message----- From: KetraSaj@aol.com <<<. Now, are you saying that AOL should make their service harder to use but more powerful, alienate hundreds of thousands of customers, just so that kids who want to call themselves "eleete hackerz" can try to punt but be met with hardened security people? >>> No I am saying AOL should make it harder to breach their security. I do not give a fuck who uses AOL..I have a couple screen names on AOL on my sisters account...my mother uses it...she has had her credit info breached twice... she said so fucking what..it wasn't her charges so she flagged her account.....just because i said aol should beef up their security does not mean that I think all technologically challenged people should not be on-line...that is absurd.... and YOU are absurd for even assuming someone would mean such a thing.Also, I am not talking about security *people*. christ, what fucking planet are you from, that is hardly and answer.. I cannot even believe I rambled this long to you as you are a waste of time and missed my point... who gives a flying fuck about AOL anyway... ever hear of Kevin Mitnick? shut the fuck up. poiSiNous ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 23:10:10 -0600 From: "poiSiNous" Subject: Re: [mitnick] [followers; hackers] misc.. - -----Original Message----- From: KetraSaj@aol.com > >I've noticed that the people who are most against activism are those who don't >have the patience to see it's fruits ripen. I have noticed that most of you vigilantes smell of rotten fruit. poiSiNous ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 21:25:18 -0800 (PST) From: rOTTEN Subject: Re: [mitnick] [followers; hackers] misc.. On Sat, 19 Dec 1998 SkyFireZ@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/19/98 3:38:25 PM Pacific Standard Time, > DINOMITE1@aol.com writes: > > > rOTTEN and Acid, i sense the underlying conflict... > > I don't see much of a conflict... we pretty much went through that. Besides, I think it was a drug reference. Don't know exactly what they were insinuating, but I've dosed at least 20 times. > I find rOTTEN to be quite entertaining at times. That makes two of us. I find myself entertaining all the time. <..rOTTEN..> nobody move, nobody get hurt error187(1) critical failure - - - - - - It was once said by a man who couldn't quit, "Dopeman, please can I have another hit?" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 21:26:36 -0800 (PST) From: rOTTEN Subject: Re: [mitnick] [followers; hackers] misc.. On Sat, 19 Dec 1998 SkyFireZ@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/19/98 11:10:58 AM Pacific Standard Time, > support@tspeed.net writes: > > > My computer's bullshit detector went off > > Where can I get one of those?? as usual, I'll point you in the direction of: www.gofuckyourgrandmother.com <..rOTTEN..> nobody move, nobody get hurt error187(1) critical failure - - - - - - It was once said by a man who couldn't quit, "Dopeman, please can I have another hit?" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 21:27:59 -0800 (PST) From: rOTTEN Subject: Re: [mitnick] [followers; hackers] misc.. On Sat, 19 Dec 1998 KetraSaj@aol.com wrote: > Ago...yet another point... > > > why should AOL de-moronize their service? > > Most people aren't incredibly apt with technology, and a vast majority of the > population is a group of adults who have full time jobs and families, > therefore do not have the time to become majorly good at computers. So, they > use America Online, a very simple service, in order to gain access to a more > metropolitan world than suburban life in america. Yeah, my favorite commercial is the one where that jaggoff says, "I can't program a VCR, but I'm on the internet". That's the type of asshole who should be on the internet.. A mindless dipshit who can't program a fucking VCR. COME ON! <..rOTTEN..> nobody move, nobody get hurt error187(1) critical failure - - - - - - It was once said by a man who couldn't quit, "Dopeman, please can I have another hit?" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 21:30:23 -0800 (PST) From: rOTTEN Subject: Re: [mitnick] [followers; hackers] misc.. On Sat, 19 Dec 1998 SkyFireZ@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/19/98 6:28:01 PM Pacific Standard Time, > rotten@cyberverse.com writes: > > > Your attitude toward AOL should be: > > > > "You don't care for me, > > so who gives a FUCK about you?" > > If you look at the subject of the conversation, thats exactly what this is > about. I'm not doing this to help aol. I don't give 2 shits about aol, I'm > doing it because it pisses me off. Try a class-action suit. It will prove more beneficial. Until then, you're not accomplishing anything, just adding to the woes of "Customer Service" folk. Duh. > It's a lot like when I see some white kid > walkin down the street, with Tommy Hilfiger pants hangin off his ass, Funny. Tommy Hilfiger was a white kid once. > and his > hat turned sideways, with 20 lbs. of crappy silver jewlery, I tell him to pull > his pants up and get a job. I don't do that to save other people from having > to look at this kid, I do it so that maybe next time I wont have too. Next time say, "What's up, nigga?" Bet you he says, "Say what, honkie?" <..rOTTEN..> nobody move, nobody get hurt error187(1) critical failure - - - - - - It was once said by a man who couldn't quit, "Dopeman, please can I have another hit?" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 21:31:10 -0800 (PST) From: rOTTEN Subject: Re: [mitnick] [followers; hackers] misc.. On Sat, 19 Dec 1998 KetraSaj@aol.com wrote: > I've noticed that the people who are most against activism are those who don't > have the patience to see it's fruits ripen. I've noticed that the people who waste their time with entry-level activism never accomplish much. <..rOTTEN..> nobody move, nobody get hurt error187(1) critical failure - - - - - - It was once said by a man who couldn't quit, "Dopeman, please can I have another hit?" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 00:43:49 -0500 (EST) From: "Aaron D. Ball" Subject: Re: [mitnick] [followers; hackers] misc.. I respectfully request that everyone involved in this little tiff about AOL shut the fuck up. Thank you. And by the way, my ISP charges $8.50/month for unlimited v.90 dialup PPP, a news server that's only moderately flaky, and 10 MB web space. I am therefore *ever* so much cooler than all of you AOLusers. - -- Replies > /dev/null. Oh, wait, wait, I don't wanna be called a wannabe by those r33l l33+ h@X0rZ who keep whipping their cocks out on the Mitnick list! I better say "Replies | (/usr/bin/sudo /bin/mknod -m 666 /dev/crap c \ 1 3; /bin/cat > /dev/crap)" so they'll think I'm as cool as they are. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 00:54:28 -0500 (EST) From: "Aaron D. Ball" Subject: Re: non-[mitnick] [followers; hackers] misc.. On Sat, 19 Dec 1998 KetraSaj@aol.com wrote: > Ago...yet another point... > > why should AOL de-moronize their service? Wrong question. The right question is "Why shouldn't we save precious natural resources by killing morons wherever we encounter them?" The answer is "Unfortunately, the law treats morons as human beings. It is therefore necessary to refrain from killing them until out of sight of a cop." - -- Please do not look directly into laser with remaining eye. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 22:06:11 -0800 (PST) From: rOTTEN Subject: Re: [mitnick] [followers; hackers] misc.. On Sun, 20 Dec 1998, Aaron D. Ball wrote: > And by the way, my ISP charges $8.50/month for unlimited v.90 dialup PPP, a > news server that's only moderately flaky, and 10 MB web space. I am > therefore *ever* so much cooler than all of you AOLusers. Mo-lay really pumps my nads too, Johnny Bender. You're the coolest. > -- > Replies > /dev/null. Oh, wait, wait, I don't wanna be called a wannabe by > those r33l l33+ h@X0rZ who keep whipping their cocks out on the Mitnick > list! I better say "Replies | (/usr/bin/sudo /bin/mknod -m 666 /dev/crap c \ > 1 3; /bin/cat > /dev/crap)" so they'll think I'm as cool as they are. Nobody's as cool as the ball-man. All orders for a Free Kevin serape go to Aaron D. Pelota. <..rOTTEN..> nobody move, nobody get hurt error187(1) critical failure - - - - - - It was once said by a man who couldn't quit, "Dopeman, please can I have another hit?" ------------------------------ End of mitnick-digest V1 #224 *****************************