mitnick-digest Monday, December 21 1998 Volume 01 : Number 225 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 01:20:22 EST From: Phoenxknt@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] [followers; hackers] misc.. When the fuck did I say "A lot more than you..." ???? And why the hell is a tech badmouthing someone else. Bagh, Least you could do is get a hotmail address - -AM << If "acid" is so intelligent, why does he have a moron like you for his spokesperson? Do you really expect to garner respect for your Acid friend by 1) Speaking on his behalf, and 2) Not being able to come up with anything more concrete than "A lot more than you..." >> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 01:23:40 EST From: Phoenxknt@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] [followers; hackers] misc.. A) As I've said before, i don't have the MONEY to transfer ISP's, My parents pay for this B) WTF do you deal with? - -AM << It IS nothing, compared to what we have to put up with. If you don't like AOL, you can choose a different ISP (I use the term loosely) It's not that easy to move a server, just because of some assholes. So, in my opinion, what you have to put up with IS nothing compared to what I have to put up with. >> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 01:29:26 EST From: Phoenxknt@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] [followers; hackers] misc.. I'd like to know the new developments going on now then. We'll shut up when a new worthwhile one comes, but until then, a good old fashioned flamewar is all we have to hold onto. - -AM << I respectfully request that everyone involved in this little tiff about AOL shut the fuck up. Thank you. And by the way, my ISP charges $8.50/month for unlimited v.90 dialup PPP, a news server that's only moderately flaky, and 10 MB web space. I am therefore *ever* so much cooler than all of you AOLusers. >> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 01:44:46 -0500 (EST) From: "Aaron D. Ball" Subject: Re: non-[mitnick] [followers; hackers] misc.. On Sat, 19 Dec 1998, rOTTEN wrote: # You're the coolest. I thank you. You are also a grandmaster of chill. Please allow me to stroke your erogenous zones. # Nobody's as cool as the ball-man. # # All orders for a Free Kevin serape go to Aaron D. Pelota. Autographs are also available for UKP19.95 apiece. 1% of the net profit will be donated to the Kevin Mitnick defense fund. You may pay by credit card. For an additional UKP1,999.95, you may also stroke my erogenous zones. Alright, I can't resist any longer, and the dictionary isn't within reach. What's a serape? For some reason, I don't feel the slightest bit of guilt about perpetuating this thread. Could it have to do with the grade of 9+1/3 out of 100 I just gave out?[0] Have I lost all consideration for the feelings of other human beings? Tune in next week and find out. [0] I'm still waiting for Support Services' (and anyone else's) age estimate. I wonder effect this will have on it. When I find out, I'm going to laugh. A lot. I could really use a good laugh. - -- There was a young lady from Drew Who ended her verse at line two. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 22:57:16 -0800 (PST) From: Support Services Subject: Re: [mitnick] [followers; hackers] misc.. On Sat, 19 Dec 1998 22:53:06 EST, SkyFireZ wrote: > > > Exactly how are you going to know who's participating in the aol riot? > > Because I can simply see whats going on in the chat rooms... > scrollers, punters, and TOS'ers all scroll in the chatrooms.. > its not hard to figure out. That's pretty impressive -- Wow! You can monitor *each and every* chat room, both public and private, simultaneously! You must be the envy of Cyclops. > > Oh, and by the way, what can *you* do besides press "punt?" > > I'm afraid I have better things to do than punt people offline, as I > see it's better to demean and embarass them instead. It's much easier > to make people look stupid than to kill their internet connection > anyhow. In short, I don't press "punt". That's right... there's a special key marked "putz" just for you. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 02:02:28 -0500 (EST) From: "Aaron D. Ball" Subject: Re: non-[mitnick] [followers; hackers] misc.. On Sun, 20 Dec 1998 Phoenxknt@aol.com wrote: # A) As I've said before, i don't have the MONEY to transfer ISP's, My parents # pay for this A) Freenet? B) Job? # B) WTF do you deal with? Script-kiddies using cheesy buffer-overflow attacks to get r00t and wander around breaking shit for about 600 users until somebody changes the root password and installs the latest patches? Lots of gratuitous SYN flooding making 10Mbps about as useful as 10Kbps until somebody gets around to installing the latest patches and recompiling the kernel? Spammers hijacking a relay that's open for a reason, followed by admins from other systems justifiably demanding that the relay be closed, resulting in gratuitous extra effort by both the local admins and the people who needed the relay to make things work without it? But I guess that's small potatoes next to getting punted off AOL. - -- Have you flogged your kid today? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 23:29:00 -0800 (PST) From: rOTTEN Subject: Re: non-[mitnick] [followers; hackers] misc.. On Sun, 20 Dec 1998, Aaron D. Ball wrote: > Alright, I can't resist any longer, and the dictionary isn't within reach. > What's a serape? A serape is a blanketlike shawl often of brightly colored wool, worn especially in Mexico. Get a sombrero and it's siesta time. Palabra arriba. <..rOTTEN..> nobody move, nobody get hurt error187(1) critical failure - - - - - - It was once said by a man who couldn't quit, "Dopeman, please can I have another hit?" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 02:51:12 EST From: Phoenxknt@aol.com Subject: Re: non-[mitnick] [followers; hackers] misc.. In a message dated 98-12-20 02:16:43 EST, you write: << # A) As I've said before, i don't have the MONEY to transfer ISP's, My parents # pay for this A) Freenet? >> Again, parents. "What, AOL isn't good enough for you? Then maybe we don't need it..." Bam off the net << B) Job? >> That's kind of illegal. i'm 13/ <<< # B) WTF do you deal with? Script-kiddies using cheesy buffer-overflow attacks to get r00t and wander around breaking shit for about 600 users until somebody changes the root password and installs the latest patches? >> And you don't install these yourself why? << Lots of gratuitous SYN flooding making 10Mbps about as useful as 10Kbps until somebody gets around to installing the latest patches and recompiling the kernel? >> see above << Spammers hijacking a relay that's open for a reason, followed by admins from other systems justifiably demanding that the relay be closed, resulting in gratuitous extra effort by both the local admins and the people who needed the relay to make things work without it? >> I'll give you that << But I guess that's small potatoes next to getting punted off AOL. >> DAMNIT I'VE SAID IT 400 TIMES NOW. I DON"T GIVE TWO SHITS ABOUT PUNTERS. Its the damned terming and spoofing (well phishing actually, you can break security with a simple string of commands, I'll post the page when I ask view again.) - -AM ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 00:14:45 PST From: "kenneth sooyna" Subject: [mitnick] take a breather i think this list needs to be shut down for a week so people can learn how to send mail to individuals instead of continually posting the crap they are now. out of the last 50 messages 3 had anything to do with mitnick. this is wrong and needs to be stopped, yes we have gone beyond the flame wars of previous months but the garbage that is being posted now is hardly better. once again, i think this list should be closed down for a week or so to give everyone time to take a breather. then the list can be reopened for talking about mitnick and not about aol, script kiddies, or whatever happens to be going thru the posters mind at the moment. we have strayed far from the lists purpose of discussing mitnick and mitnick related subjects. a supposed attack on aol does not fit into that equation anywhere as far as i can tell. it has gotten near impossible to hold any sort of serious discussion on this list without being drowned out in the flood of off-topic posts. questions have gone unanswered, suggestions have gone unlistened, i have even seen incomplete posts. i think it is time that we all take a step back and consider if we want to talk about mitnick or if we are going to continue ranting about everything that crosses through our minds. again, this list might just have to be shut down for a while if that is what it will take to get people back on-topic. the thinker - - http://thinker.findhere.com **** NOW WITH EXTRA BERRY FLAVOR **** http://listen.to/duz icq:19173887 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 01:07:20 -0800 From: Brian Subject: [mitnick] takedown movie (trial too) alright, lets get off the whole flame wars. i have some questions that i have been pondering over. first off, is about the whole takedown movie subject. when is it scheduled to begin showing in theaters, and is it going to be advetised on tv, radio and the papers like every other movie out there? also, does anyone know if there is going to be any actions taken, such as protests (similar to the mirimax ones?), flyer distribution, or any other actions similar? next off, is about the whole mitnick trial. is the public allowed to attend? when is it (dates, i forgot; and time). where it is going to be held (i dont know LA too much). does anyone have any idea about the evidence review? does anyone know if the trial going to be delayed again, for any reason? last off, is that whole "mitnick trial sat-type test" going to be issued to strain out certain types of people? one last thing, i believe that these flames are really just going on because someone doesnt know when to quit. rotten and support are both cool, interesting, and humerous people. i think that if you get static from them, it must be somthing of "lameness". yet i also have to say, rotten and support, lay off the aol'ers a bit. they are somewhat obnoxious and all, but hey, lets quit this shit with the flames. and aol'ers, not dissin ya, but cool down with the whole riot topic. it is getting stretched too much, and the best thing would be to listen to rotten, support, poisinus (sp?), and aaron d. ball. talk your shit to aol. pull some crap on them, bitch em out. last but not least, i see that there hasnt been any activity from kamikaze. that is good, i think she needs to kick back a bit and get with the flow and style of the mitnick list... -brain kandy- free kevin mitnick - www.kevinmitnick.com 'stop the violence, hack the planet' e-mail: brainkandy@mindspring.com other contact methods upon request ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 03:10:09 -0600 From: "poiSiNous" Subject: Re: [mitnick] take a breather so, go ahead and take your week vacation :) - -----Original Message----- From: kenneth sooyna To: mitnick@2600.com Date: Sunday, December 20, 1998 2:23 AM Subject: [mitnick] take a breather > >i think this list needs to be shut >down for a week so people can learn >how to send mail to individuals instead >of continually posting the crap they are >now. out of the last 50 messages 3 had >anything to do with mitnick. this is wrong >and needs to be stopped, yes we have gone >beyond the flame wars of previous months >but the garbage that is being posted now >is hardly better. once again, i think >this list should be closed down for >a week or so to give everyone time >to take a breather. then the list can >be reopened for talking about mitnick >and not about aol, script kiddies, >or whatever happens to be going thru >the posters mind at the moment. we >have strayed far from the lists purpose >of discussing mitnick and mitnick related >subjects. a supposed attack on aol does >not fit into that equation anywhere as >far as i can tell. it has gotten near >impossible to hold any sort of serious >discussion on this list without being >drowned out in the flood of off-topic >posts. questions have gone unanswered, >suggestions have gone unlistened, i >have even seen incomplete posts. i >think it is time that we all take a >step back and consider if we want to >talk about mitnick or if we are going >to continue ranting about everything >that crosses through our minds. again, >this list might just have to be shut >down for a while if that is what it >will take to get people back on-topic. > >the thinker >- >http://thinker.findhere.com >**** NOW WITH EXTRA BERRY FLAVOR **** >http://listen.to/duz >icq:19173887 > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 09:48:11 EST From: DINOMITE1@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] [followers; hackers] misc.. hey you guys, stop the debate, it doesn't matter, they're not gonna do anything. they have had so-called "aol riots" in teh past, but nothing happened. even if they do , you might get punted if they somehow choose yoiur name out of the millions of others, calm your as down. - -Rold Gold ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 08:00:35 -0800 From: Internet for All Customer Service Subject: Re: [mitnick] [followers; hackers] misc.. Phoenxknt@aol.com wrote: > > A) As I've said before, i don't have the MONEY to transfer ISP's, My parents > pay for this Money? Since when did transferring ISP's cost money? (Except for those who charge a setup fee) You'd only be SAVING money by getting your ass off AOL. Get a job. You will make yourself and millions on welfare happy. > B) WTF do you deal with? "WTF" do I deal with? Only a few morons who take down my server through ICMP's, and an occasional mailbomb. Then I have to sit here and take care of it. Doesn't happen a lot, but it is a pain in the ass when it does. I think you will find there is a brighter world out there if you get rid of AOL. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 12:09:25 EST From: SkyFireZ@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] [followers; hackers] misc.. In a message dated 12/19/98 9:55:30 PM Pacific Standard Time, abend@110.net writes: > I respectfully request that everyone involved in this little tiff about AOL > shut the fuck up. Thank you. > > And by the way, my ISP charges $8.50/month for unlimited v.90 dialup PPP, a > news server that's only moderately flaky, and 10 MB web space. I am > therefore *ever* so much cooler than all of you AOLusers. Why don't you take your own advice.... Acid ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 12:20:41 EST From: SkyFireZ@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] [followers; hackers] misc.. In a message dated 12/19/98 11:07:55 PM Pacific Standard Time, support@tspeed.net writes: > That's pretty impressive -- Wow! You can monitor *each and every* > chat room, both public and private, simultaneously! You must be > the envy of Cyclops. Who says I will? Quit playing "Tony Toughnuts" alright Support? >That's right... there's a special key marked "putz" just for you. Witty Acid ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 10:11:26 -0800 From: Internet for All Customer Service Subject: [mitnick] Breakdown I think that any reasonable conversations on this list either break down into flame wars, or are overlooked by flames. Kind of like the book Lord of the Flies. I agree with the person that said that we ALL need to take a vacation from the list for a week. Let's try to ignore insults instead of replying back. If you have the urge to reply, send it to the sender, not to the list. I'm not blaming anyone specific on this list, even I have been guilty of fanning flames. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 14:07:21 -0600 From: Jaeger Subject: Re: [mitnick] [followers; hackers] misc.. at the libraries where I live, you CAN check out software... usually on CD, you can copy it to your hard-drive if you like... you are simply required to erase it within 24-hrs of returning the original... Jaeger > -----Original Message----- > From: rOTTEN > To: mitnick@2600.com > Date: Thursday, December 17, 1998 11:44 PM > Subject: Re: [mitnick] [followers; hackers] misc.. > > >You can borrow books from the library, why not software? > > Because nobody has managed to make a reasonably bulletproof copy > protection > for it. The market also dislikes copy protection, so it's probably not > going > to happen anytime soon. Except maybe with DIVX: $10 a week to use the > software, must be run from the distribution disk. > > | Caliban Tiresias Darklock caliban@darklock.com > | Darklock Communications http://www.darklock.com/ > | U L T I M A T E U N I V E R S E I S N O T D E A D > | 774577496C6C6E457645727355626D4974H -=CABAL::3146=- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 14:14:25 -0600 From: Jaeger Subject: Re: [mitnick] takedown movie (trial too) look up the move on us.imdb.com ... that should help you out... Jaeger > alright, lets get off the whole flame wars. i have some questions > that i > have been pondering over. > > first off, is about the whole takedown movie subject. when is it > scheduled > to begin showing in theaters, and is it going to be advetised on tv, > radio > and the papers like every other movie out there? > > also, does anyone know if there is going to be any actions taken, such > as > protests (similar to the mirimax ones?), flyer distribution, or any > other > actions similar? > > next off, is about the whole mitnick trial. > > is the public allowed to attend? when is it (dates, i forgot; and > time). > where it is going to be held (i dont know LA too much). does anyone > have > any idea about the evidence review? does anyone know if the trial > going to > be delayed again, for any reason? last off, is that whole "mitnick > trial > sat-type test" going to be issued to strain out certain types of > people? > > one last thing, i believe that these flames are really just going on > because someone doesnt know when to quit. > rotten and support are both cool, interesting, and humerous people. i > > think that if you get static from them, it must be somthing of > "lameness". > > yet i also have to say, rotten and support, lay off the aol'ers a bit. > > they are somewhat obnoxious and all, but hey, lets quit this shit with > the > flames. and aol'ers, not dissin ya, but cool down with the whole riot > > topic. it is getting stretched too much, and the best thing would be > to > listen to rotten, support, poisinus (sp?), and aaron d. ball. talk > your > shit to aol. pull some crap on them, bitch em out. > > last but not least, i see that there hasnt been any activity from > kamikaze. > that is good, i think she needs to kick back a bit and get with the > flow > and style of the mitnick list... > > -brain kandy- > > free kevin mitnick - www.kevinmitnick.com > 'stop the violence, hack the planet' > > e-mail: brainkandy@mindspring.com > other contact methods upon request ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 12:52:50 -0800 (PST) From: rOTTEN Subject: Re: non-[mitnick] [followers; hackers] misc.. On Sun, 20 Dec 1998 Phoenxknt@aol.com wrote: > B) Job? > >> > That's kind of illegal. i'm 13/ The Olsen twins are under 13. <..rOTTEN..> nobody move, nobody get hurt error187(1) critical failure - - - - - - It was once said by a man who couldn't quit, "Dopeman, please can I have another hit?" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 17:31:14 EST From: Phoenxknt@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] [followers; hackers] misc.. It's illegal for me to work, i'm 13 genius. And also, my parents won't get rid of aol and i menat i Don't have the money to get my OWN isp. << Phoenxknt@aol.com wrote: > > A) As I've said before, i don't have the MONEY to transfer ISP's, My parents > pay for this Money? Since when did transferring ISP's cost money? (Except for those who charge a setup fee) You'd only be SAVING money by getting your ass off AOL. Get a job. You will make yourself and millions on welfare happy. > B) WTF do you deal with? "WTF" do I deal with? Only a few morons who take down my server through ICMP's, and an occasional mailbomb. Then I have to sit here and take care of it. Doesn't happen a lot, but it is a pain in the ass when it does. I think you will find there is a brighter world out there if you get rid of AOL. >> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 17:45:26 EST From: Phoenxknt@aol.com Subject: Re: non-[mitnick] [followers; hackers] misc.. They're paid through their parents. << The Olsen twins are under 13. >> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 15:12:31 -0800 (PST) From: rOTTEN Subject: Re: non-[mitnick] [followers; hackers] misc.. On Sun, 20 Dec 1998 Phoenxknt@aol.com wrote: > They're paid through their parents. > > << The Olsen twins are under 13. >> They work. <..rOTTEN..> nobody move, nobody get hurt error187(1) critical failure - - - - - - It was once said by a man who couldn't quit, "Dopeman, please can I have another hit?" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 18:21:17 EST From: DINOMITE1@aol.com Subject: Re: non-[mitnick] [followers; hackers] misc.. as soon as your ass is fourteen, get yourself a workpermit and go work at uncle bobs fish market down the street. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 18:32:21 EST From: SkyFireZ@aol.com Subject: Re: non-[mitnick] [followers; hackers] misc.. In a message dated 12/20/98 3:30:33 PM Pacific Standard Time, DINOMITE1@aol.com writes: > as soon as your ass is fourteen, get yourself a workpermit and go work at > uncle bobs fish market down the street. Excuse her/him for not being born as early as you were.... Acid ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 18:58:20 EST From: DINOMITE1@aol.com Subject: Re: non-[mitnick] [followers; hackers] misc.. sorry acid (its him) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 19:31:01 EST From: DINOMITE1@aol.com Subject: Re: non-[mitnick] [followers; hackers] misc.. hey rotten, where can I aqquire one of these Free Kevin serapes? should i talk to you or my local person of hispanic origin? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 19:53:08 EST From: ZzAmBOnIl@aol.com Subject: Re: non-[mitnick] [followers; hackers] misc.. yeah, thats it........ Yes i see. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 20:03:29 EST From: Bobwil623@aol.com Subject: [mitnick] "maximum BS - put on hip boots!" -- media analysis for the masses i've written in the past about the washington post's ombudsman (in this case, a woman). in light of the hubbub about washinton post reporter rene sanchez's factual errors in re kevin's charges (if he'd read the indictment as posted on the site , he'd know the facts of that indictment) so i went to ms. shipp's most recent column for the washington post for dec 20, 1998: http://search.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/1998-12/20/133l-122098-idx.h tml first sentence: > Why does the ombudsman focus on such matters as > factual errors and whether a story is fair? hey, so far, so good. second sentence: > Not only are these issues readers raise, but, > according to a survey by the American Society of > Newspaper Editors (ASNE), these are some of the > factors that contribute to readers' skepticism > about what we tell them... wow. now i'm really wondering. i do a quick search for "kevin" and then "mitnick" on the page -- no hits. i begin to grow cynical. > The study, "Why Newspaper Credibility Has Been > Dropping," offers six major findings about "the > underlying causes of the 'disconnect' between > journalists and their audiences." ooops. the bullshit meter pegs its needle at "maximum BS - put on hip boots!", and i begin to realize just what's going on. > While I believe that any complaint must be taken > seriously, it is difficult at times to assess > whether a few callers are representative. The > study, part of ASNE's three-year journalism > credibility project, can be found at > under "What's New?" I'll examine > the first two findings this week... and i conclude, after reading that, that she's just bought herself 3 more weeks to avoid the issue of false reporting by washington post personnel. > ...[A] reader pointed out three spelling errors in > an Oct. 26 chess column: "desparately," > "aproximately" and "recieves." That same week he > found two in The Style Invitational contest: > "suprisingly" and "Third Word" instead of "Third > World." This reader asked: "Is this a > performance level The Post is happy with?" It is > not. what garbage. the guy is sitting in jail for *years* without a bail hearing, the full weight of the government (and then some) is aimed at him and him alone, the washington post has filed a privately *acknowledged* false report about him, and they still won't publish a retraction. instead, their *ombudsman* is worried about *spelling* errors.... clowns. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 13:19:20 +1000 From: Reeza! Subject: Re: [mitnick] [followers; hackers] misc.. At 11:44 PM 12/19/98 EST, KetraSaj@aol.com wrote: > >I've noticed that the people who are most against activism are those who don't >have the patience to see it's fruits ripen. > >~wayne At 11:10 PM 12/19/98 -0600, poiSiNous wrote: > >I have noticed that most of you vigilantes smell of rotten fruit. >poiSiNous > >At 09:31 PM 12/19/98 -0800, rOTTEN wrote: > >I've noticed that the people who waste their time with entry-level >activism never accomplish much. I've noticed that the people who are most vocal about how others should get involved with activism are looking for someone to do their 'dirty work' for them. They are also the most brain dead, unable to read between the lines sheeple in the pasture. After sounding their voice, they return to their grazing, contented that they have "done something worthy for the cause". Go away kid, you bother me. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 21:23:17 -0800 (PST) From: ethercat@netcom.com Subject: [mitnick] Mitnick in The Irish Times http://www.irish-times.com/irish-times/paper/1998/1221/cmp2.html The Mitnick case is becoming a cause celebre on the Web, reports Margaret E. Ward Thanks go to Rue-the-Day. |\__/,| (\ _.|o o |_ ) ) - --(((---(((-------------| ethercat |------------ (ascii art by Mike Rosulek) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 22:09:51 -0800 From: "Paul Hsieh" Subject: Re: [mitnick] Mitnick in The Irish Times > http://www.irish-times.com/irish-times/paper/1998/1221/cmp2.html Interesting article. Its more aligned with our point of view that most, but it still contains technical errors, that don't help Mitnick's case. The 20,000 credit card thing, as I recall, is not among the charges and he was not technically denied bail, but rather, denied a bail hearing. (Was Apple one of the companies that are alleged to have been damaged by Kevin? I certainly don't remember this.) While I hate to shoot a gift horse in the mouth (is that saying correct?) it seems to me that the upshot of the article is that it just shows that the writer has some sympathy for Kevin rooted in some opinion about the US government, rather than exposing the genuine misjustices that have actually happened in the case so far. - -- Paul Hsieh qed@pobox.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 23:24:30 -0800 From: hugh field Subject: Re: [mitnick] takedown movie (trial too) It is required that trials be open to the public. Judges may make a court order at counsel's request and make it a closed procceding. However, this is generally not done unless a need for closing the trial is demonstrated. ~hugh Jaeger wrote: > > look up the move on us.imdb.com ... that should help you out... > > Jaeger > > > alright, lets get off the whole flame wars. i have some questions > > that i > > have been pondering over. > > > > first off, is about the whole takedown movie subject. when is it > > scheduled > > to begin showing in theaters, and is it going to be advetised on tv, > > radio > > and the papers like every other movie out there? > > > > also, does anyone know if there is going to be any actions taken, such > > as > > protests (similar to the mirimax ones?), flyer distribution, or any > > other > > actions similar? > > > > next off, is about the whole mitnick trial. > > > > is the public allowed to attend? when is it (dates, i forgot; and > > time). > > where it is going to be held (i dont know LA too much). does anyone > > have > > any idea about the evidence review? does anyone know if the trial > > going to > > be delayed again, for any reason? last off, is that whole "mitnick > > trial > > sat-type test" going to be issued to strain out certain types of > > people? > > > > one last thing, i believe that these flames are really just going on > > because someone doesnt know when to quit. > > rotten and support are both cool, interesting, and humerous people. i > > > > think that if you get static from them, it must be somthing of > > "lameness". > > > > yet i also have to say, rotten and support, lay off the aol'ers a bit. > > > > they are somewhat obnoxious and all, but hey, lets quit this shit with > > the > > flames. and aol'ers, not dissin ya, but cool down with the whole riot > > > > topic. it is getting stretched too much, and the best thing would be > > to > > listen to rotten, support, poisinus (sp?), and aaron d. ball. talk > > your > > shit to aol. pull some crap on them, bitch em out. > > > > last but not least, i see that there hasnt been any activity from > > kamikaze. > > that is good, i think she needs to kick back a bit and get with the > > flow > > and style of the mitnick list... > > > > -brain kandy- > > > > free kevin mitnick - www.kevinmitnick.com > > 'stop the violence, hack the planet' > > > > e-mail: brainkandy@mindspring.com > > other contact methods upon request - -- ********************************hugh field****************************** | redtide@serve.com | PGP public key @ www.serve.com/redtide/pgp.txt | ************************************************************************ | God: "If I were to tell you that there is an army of angels waiting | | in Heaven, and on the Day of Judgement they will be unleashed upon | | the world to slay all the unbelievers, what would your response be?" | | Response: "Pre-emptive nuclear strike." | ************************************************************************ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 09:33:03 +1000 From: Reeza! Subject: Re: [mitnick] Youthful maturity (was letter to the post) At 11:30 AM 12/15/98 -0800, Support Services wrote: > > >On Tue, 15 Dec 1998 10:26:27 EST, SkyFireZ wrote: >> >> > Dewd -- like this guy Pelota just said he's fucking forty. >> > I can't understand the shit he's spoutin' either, homey... >> >> So you're telling me that you're older than 16? > >Hey challenged homeboy -- quote me the line where I specifically >say what you think I said. After you can't find it, have teacher >give you some assignments dealing with assumptions vs facts. > >> >if a fourteen year old started talking constitutional shit with >> >me, I'd ask him how many times he's been put through the fuckin' >> > system, man. >> >> So you have to be a criminal to understand the constitution/bill >> of rights etc.? Interesting..... AcidRayne > >Hey challenged homeboy -- quote me the line where I specifically >say what you think I said. After you can't find it, have teacher >give you some assignments dealing with assumptions vs facts. > Re: 40 year old editors. You were saying? Reeza! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 09:40:18 -0500 (EST) From: Daniel Sissman Subject: Re: [mitnick] "maximum BS - put on hip boots!" -- media analysis for the masses On Sun, 20 Dec 1998 Bobwil623@aol.com wrote: > > > While I believe that any complaint must be taken > > seriously, it is difficult at times to assess > > whether a few callers are representative. The > > study, part of ASNE's three-year journalism > > credibility project, can be found at > > under "What's New?" I'll examine > > the first two findings this week... > > > > ...[A] reader pointed out three spelling errors in > > an Oct. 26 chess column: "desparately," > > "aproximately" and "recieves." That same week he > > found two in The Style Invitational contest: > > "suprisingly" and "Third Word" instead of "Third > > World." This reader asked: "Is this a > > performance level The Post is happy with?" It is > > not. > > what garbage. > > the guy is sitting in jail for *years* without a bail hearing, the full > weight of the government (and then some) is aimed at him and him alone, > the washington post has filed a privately *acknowledged* false report > about him, and they still won't publish a retraction. > > instead, their *ombudsman* is worried about *spelling* errors.... > > clowns. Obviously, the anal-retentive spelling police are more "representative" of their readership than people who are concerned about false reporting. Dan Sissman, amateur triviaphile Free Kevin Mitnick! http://www.albany.net/~dsissman http://www.kevinmitnick.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 00:30:49 +1000 From: Reeza! Subject: Re: [mitnick] Re: Bylaws. (touched up a bit) Why not locate all chapter houses within 1 block or equivalent distance of DMV buildings. THEY have coverage of 1 per each arbitrary unit, follow suite. Phhhhbbbttttttt. At 06:33 AM 12/17/98 -0400, che guevara wrote: >los angeles is not a 100-mile long county. >don't u have a subway system? > >Support Services wrote: >> >> > 1. There shall be only one chapter per county. >> >> So in a county as large as Los Angeles, someone has to travel >> more than a hundred miles to go to a meeting, because there >> can be only one chapter per county. Great. >> > >-- >:che guevara:: >::: >::: >::: >"I never think of the future - it comes soon enough." > -albert einstein > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 11:08:31 EST From: Bobwil623@aol.com Subject: [mitnick] Thank you for your story documenting Mr. Mitnick's mistreatment... Editors, the Irish Times On The Web: In re your recent story by Margaret E. Ward documenting the mistreatment of Kevin Mitnick: thank you for your efforts to draw attention to Mr. Mitnick's case. Overall, it's an interesting article, but with at least one major factual error: Mr. Mitnick has never been charged with stealing "20,000 credit card numbers from a Californian Internet service provider," and he has never been accused of using any of the allegedly stolen credit card numbers. After my review of the pending indictments against him, I can confirm that Mr. Mitnick has not been charged with the offense you mention; thus, the statement referenced above is false. You may review the indictment for yourself at http://www.kevinmitnick.com/indictment.html. In closing, permit me to bring to your attention a global credit card scam that is apparently bringing in millions of dollars for the perpetrator of the fraud. Please read especially the comments addressing law "enforcement" priorities. The text shown below was sent to the mitnick mailing list this morning: - --------------------------- http://www.labmed.umn.edu/%7Ejohn/ccfraud.html go to the link shown above to read... > ...extensive details and research in [a] report > about widespread, small-charge credit card > fraud... why is this important? well, if you go to the anchor link in the story about law "enforcement", at... http://www.labmed.umn.edu/%7Ejohn/ccfraud.html#Law ...you'll read the following [describing how the author contacted US authorities (i.e., the secret service) regarding the global credit card scam he's apparently uncovered] -- note especially the phrase, "regardless of the crime"... > HOWEVER, the authorities are not terribly > interested. In the words of an authoritative > source: > > Due to the size of most losses, the federal > agencies (FBI and Secret Service) tasked with > investigating credit card fraud are unable to do > anything. Regardless of the crime, they > generally don't have the manpower to go after > anything less than $100,000. Local law > enforcement agencies generally don't understand > the problem and therefore are reluctant to get > involved. Additionally, since the merchant > generally is the loser, not the cardholder (the > merchant takes the loss 99+ percent of the time) > there is frequently a jurisdictional issue. SO THE QUESTIONS FOR THE DAY, kids, are: if law "enforcement" agencies don't have the "manpower" to "go after anything less than $100,000", and kevin mitnick never made a dime off his alleged activities, what's the justification for holding him in pre-trial detention for years? what's the justification for refusing to grant a bail hearing? HERE'S A SECOND QUESTION: in light of the information shown above, what was the justification for a two-bit hack journalist named john markoff labeling mr. mitnick "the most wanted criminal in cyberspace"? HERE'S A THIRD QUESTION: in light of the information shown above, what was the justification for the new york times to put a story by a two-bit hack journalist named john markoff that discussed an unknown individual in libelous and defamatory terms on the front page? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:50:29 -0800 (PST) From: rOTTEN Subject: Re: [mitnick] Re: Bylaws. (touched up a bit) On Tue, 22 Dec 1998, Reeza! wrote: > Why not locate all chapter houses within 1 block or equivalent distance of > DMV buildings. THEY have coverage of 1 per each arbitrary unit, follow suite. > > Phhhhbbbttttttt. Now that is a good idea...assuming that the Local Chapter thing wasn't a complete waste of time. But if I ever need to start a national coalition of sorts, the DMV thing is a good idea. <..rOTTEN..> nobody move, nobody get hurt error187(1) critical failure - - - - - - It was once said by a man who couldn't quit, "Dopeman, please can I have another hit?" ------------------------------ End of mitnick-digest V1 #225 *****************************