mitnick-digest Friday, December 25 1998 Volume 01 : Number 227 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 18:34:19 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Blaguszewski Subject: [mitnick] Re: (off topic) the mentor On Wed, 23 Dec 1998, Xer0 KelviN wrote: > To Whom it may concern: > I am making a Flash Project that uses the mentors words. I was wanting This brings up a question that I've had for a while. Who is or was The Mentor? Is he known for anything except his "Last Words/Hacker Manifesto?" For that matter, why are they his last words? Anybody know? Mike Blaguszewski ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 16:09:10 -0800 From: "Caliban Tiresias Darklock" Subject: Re: [mitnick] on another note .. - -----Original Message----- From: Hardrock Llewynyth To: mitnick@2600.com Date: Wednesday, December 23, 1998 2:53 PM Subject: Re: [mitnick] on another note .. >whether the door is locked or not doesn't change the fact that te actions >are criminal. I do not give a flying fuck at a rolling donut whether the actions ARE criminal. The issue I was addressing was whether *reading* information on an internet server (or anywhere else) SHOULD BE criminal. Writing or copying said information represents entirely different questions which have entirely different answers. >one could also argue that a trespass is my fault if my door is easy to >jimmy, vs. having three deadbolts and a bar. One could also argue that math is hard, which would be about as accurate and roughly as applicable. >what level of security is >enough to change an action from "rude" to criminal? Security or the lack thereof does not change an action's character. If an action is criminal, then it is criminal whether there is security or not. If an action is not criminal, then it is not criminal whether there is security or not. Criminal activity which has a victim is rude. There is this scale of Bad Things, you see. Near one end, you have "rude", near the other you have "fatal", and somewhere in the middle is "criminal". A "fatal" activity is also "criminal" and "rude". A "criminal" activity is "rude" but not necessarily "fatal". A "rude" activity is not necessarily "criminal" or "fatal". >or to shift the blame >from the victim to the perpetrator. The victim is blameless when there is no way he could have prevented the proscribed activity. The perpetrator is blameless when there is no way he could have known the activity was proscribed. At no other time is either party blameless. It is possible that both parties can be blameless. If I ping a network host, and then proceed to ping the entire subnet and write down all the IP addresses, no one is to blame. There is no reason for the pinger to believe there is something wrong with this; there is no effective way for the sysadmin to prevent it. No blame can be assigned. It is also possible that both parties are entirely to blame. If some dork logs into a bank's computer using username 'root' and password 'root', then logs into the Oracle database as 'system/manager', transfers a whole lot of money to his bank account somewhere else, and then types 'rm -rf *' to cover his tracks, then the bank has been VERY STUPID and is very much to blame for the situation. The dork breaking into the system has also been VERY STUPID and is very much to blame for the situation. Blame is not exclusive. Everyone seems to think "blaming the victim" is a bad thing. Well, sometimes victims are STUPID. This does not mean that blame is binary, a single bit which can be set to "victim" or "perp" but nothing else. Just because the victim is a damn moron does not mean that the perpetrator is completely justified in his activities -- or vice-versa. >false premise. people should not be there period. security is merely a >convenience. Actually, security is the reciprocal of convenience. As security rises, convenience falls. You makes your trade-offs and you takes your chances. >acording to your premise, how much security is necessary before oneis >permitted the right to bitch? Room to bitch and the right to bitch are not one and the same. You always have the right to bitch. Room to bitch, however, is tied to the actual *validity* of that bitching. You have the RIGHT to bitch that people are always going around *breathing*, if you want, but in order to have ROOM to bitch about it you would have to stop breathing yourself. | Caliban Tiresias Darklock caliban@darklock.com | Darklock Communications http://www.darklock.com/ | U L T I M A T E U N I V E R S E I S N O T D E A D | 774577496C6C6E457645727355626D4974H -=CABAL::3146=- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 18:57:37 EST From: DINOMITE1@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] the mentor you just sparked a bonfire of a discussion ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 19:20:55 EST From: NegatveZr0@aol.com Subject: [mitnick] Mentors FlashProject Wait, explain this thing to me again, im a little slow. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 19:28:43 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Blaguszewski Subject: [mitnick] Supervised Release Conditions/Minor Threat I found this on the homepage of hacker/phreaker Minor Threat (Chris Lamprecht), currently serving the last two years of a five year sentence. "On May 5, 1995, Chris Lamprecht became the first person to be banned from the Internet. Now he is challenging his restriction as an unconstitutional violation of the First Amendment right to Free Speech. " Minor Threat was one of the first hackers to be sentenced to severe prison term. The government pursued the case much like they are now doing with Kevin, even though the charges were only indirectly related to hacking. Chris' lawyer has apparently already filed a federal habeas corpus petition challenging Internet restriction and computer programming restriction. His case is _very_ similar to Kevin Mitnick's, especially in the restrictions imposed, which he describes in detail. I recommend that anyone interested in the Mitnick case and especially the implications of his supervised release conditions should follow this case. Minor Threat's page is at . Mike Blaguszewski ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 19:27:22 EST From: DINOMITE1@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] on another note .. Lets get back to the subject at hand. - -----------------------Begin GeekCode Block---------------------- Version-3.12 GO/GAT D- ST: A---/? C++>$ L/S++++ P+++ L+++++ E+ W+++! N+++ O++++ K---- W+++O !M V-- PS++ PE+ Y++ PGP+++ T--- 5-- X+ R--- TV++ B+ DI + D+++ G++++ E+++ H! R++ Z? - ------------------------End GeekCode Block----------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 18:38:17 PST From: "kenneth sooyna" Subject: [mitnick] [Mitnick] Mitnick Question does anybody know kevin mitnick's online handle when he was online? or what he was called offline, ie. nickname, etc that was used by those who knew him? the thinker - - http://thinker.findhere.com **** NOW WITH FIVE DESIGNER COLORS **** http://listen.to/duz icq:19173887 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 22:02:37 EST From: NegatveZr0@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] [Mitnick] Mitnick Question Mitnick's handle was Condor. For more information on Mitnick and what has happened to him, go to http://skyscraper.fortunecity.com/nova/708/KevinMitnick.htm or the main site at http://welcome.to/nuclearwinterinc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 20:00:08 -0800 (PST) From: rOTTEN Subject: Re: [mitnick] [Mitnick] Mitnick Question On Wed, 23 Dec 1998 NegatveZr0@aol.com wrote: > Mitnick's handle was Condor. Well, just like Kevin Poulsen didn't always go by "Dark Dante", I'd be suspect to believe that Mitnick only went by CONDOR. In fact, I heard that he went by "El Serape" for a while. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 01:04:48 EST From: Phoenxknt@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] on another note .. Read Caliban's thing, I can't remember the discussion. - -AM << So it's okay for a woman who sleeps in a teepee to have her panties and pubic tattoo examined in the thick of the night? >> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 22:34:36 -0800 (PST) From: rOTTEN Subject: Re: [mitnick] on another note .. On Thu, 24 Dec 1998 Phoenxknt@aol.com wrote: > Read Caliban's thing, I can't remember the discussion. Aw MAN! Do I *HAVE* TO? GEEZ! <..rOTTEN..> nobody move, nobody get hurt error187(1) critical failure - - - - - - It was once said by a man who couldn't quit, "Dopeman, please can I have another hit?" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 02:32:46 EST From: EmpAllin@aol.com Subject: [mitnick] Post Update Just thought I would let all of you know that there may be some hope here, to some extent. I got a call today to verify that I wrote the letter I sent concerning the error they printed about KDM. They said that the letter would be printed this Saturday on the "Free For All" page. There is a big error in on my part, which kinda my funny. I was just thinking of a different redit card file when I wrote it. Oh well. I don't expect it much but I thought some of you might want to watch out for it for you own interests and in case I miss it. - -Allin http://members.tripod.com/~empallin/Free_Kevin_Mitnick/ "After sometime it's only so much paper" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 03:01:27 -0600 From: flam69@juno.com (Jake N Larson) Subject: [mitnick] FREE KEVIN To all my fellow Kevin Mitnick advocates, My name is Flam (the name on my account you see is fake) and I'm from Duluth, Minnesota. Now, there isn't much of a hacker scene there, but there has been one thing that has been going around. Some people have been writing this on alot of money. FREE KEVIN http://www.kevinmitnick.com Yes, money. The stuff that every one of us use every day. It gets passed around, traded, used, lost, found. Now I figured that since there wasn't much of a law keeping you from spreading word about issues by writing on money, that I would try it. Then behold one fine day when I was just sitting in my favorite coffee shop, sipping espresso, the woman who had ordered coffee after me sat down behind me. After a few minutes of sitting I heard her say, "Free kevin? What the hell?" So It really does spread word. I suggest, if you're going to do this, to use a black sharpie and write FREE KEVIN, and the address on each side, carefully printed. That way tons of people everyday will see the FREE KEVIN cause. Thank you, |\ | | | /| | \ | | | / | | \ | | | / | | \| | |/ | !FLAM! ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 08:44:40 EST From: NegatveZr0@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] [Mitnick] Mitnick Question Very good point. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 08:09:01 PST From: "TelePhreak -" Subject: Re: [mitnick] FREE KEVIN wow, pretty good idea, i am surprised i didnt think of it earlier.Also, maybe you can do one of those, "If you write this on ten other bills good things will happen" things, you'b be surprised how many people actually do that.... ---------------------FREE KEVIN - -TelePhreak of The Phone Rangers Email: telephrk@hotmail.com ICQ: 10886438 mIRC: telephrk Aol IM: TelePhrk 0 http://welcome.to/phonerangers http://phonerangers.cjb.net ---------------------FREE KEVIN ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 08:25:51 -0800 From: "Caliban Tiresias Darklock" Subject: Re: [mitnick] FREE KEVIN - -----Original Message----- From: Jake N Larson To: mitnick@2600.com Date: Thursday, December 24, 1998 1:15 AM Subject: [mitnick] FREE KEVIN >Yes, money. The stuff that every one of us use every day. It gets >passed around, traded, used, lost, found. This is a great marketing concept. It can probably be applied elsewhere, too. Does anyone know what sort of government permission is required to sell/distribute things like those "real legal tender" dollar bills with Santa Claus or Elvis on them? A company or club logo would be an interesting addition to a dollar bill. Hmmm. The possibilities are virtually endless... I wonder if there's some sort of commercial use restriction. >Now I figured that since there >wasn't much of a law keeping you from spreading word about issues by >writing on money, that I would try it. Actually, defacing currency is a federal offense. So there is a law... but the intent is more along the lines of preventing scams. While this technically falls under that statute, it probably wouldn't hold up in court unless you did this in SERIOUS bulk with some sort of malicious intent. A good lawyer could probably defend this as a free speech action. It's probably a good idea to avoid writing over any of the information that people use to identify of validate money -- e.g. the serial number, treasury seal, "this note is legal tender", etc. I'd suggest you confine the writing area to the image of the ex-President on the front and the federal building on the back... and the blank space around them. Empirical research suggests that "Free Kevin" fits nicely on the front with two lines across Washington's or Lincoln's face, and "www.kevinmitnick.com" fits equally nicely across the building on the back. All that aside, this is a reasonably good idea. It's probably best not to have ALL your money branded/defaced in this fashion, so you can at the very least claim you got it in change or something if anyone makes a big deal about it. For the same reason, I wouldn't do this to anything over a five. ;) | Caliban Tiresias Darklock caliban@darklock.com | Darklock Communications http://www.darklock.com/ | U L T I M A T E U N I V E R S E I S N O T D E A D | 774577496C6C6E457645727355626D4974H -=CABAL::3146=- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 11:21:04 EST From: DOCGGG@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] FREE KEVIN do we want to spread the word illegally? obviously, we tried doing it in a safe matter, but some of our efforts and demands weren't met. so what happened next, web pages are being hacked. well, it's their own fault, they want a struggle, and people are giving them a struggle. now, we are writing on money? sure it gets attention, but, i just hope it won't hurt kevin anymore than what he's struggling with now. oh yeah, what's up to all those spies who are watching this mailing list. you seriously have no life. pardon the aol address. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 11:34:39 EST From: DINOMITE1@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] FREE KEVIN - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 This is actually destruction of U.S. currency which is a felony i think. Noonew really cares and there's no way to see who did it though. - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQA/AwUBNoJs0Jg93+Nh5/0TEQJnPQCcC1HkclaVjl5j2YrAbYlOeXLQOY0AoO4N Ujv3aP7bfK5+DQlJO2FA6Clw =lPoG - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- - -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GAT/GO D- S+:+ A---/? C++>$ L/S++++ P+++ L+++++ E+ W+++ N+++ O++++ K---- W+++O !M V-- PS++ PE+ Y++ PGP+++ T--- 5-- X+ R--- TV++ B+ DI + D+++ G++++ E+++ !H R++ Z? - ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 11:39:58 EST From: JAKade@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] FREE KEVIN In a message dated 12/24/98 11:34:08 AM Eastern Standard Time, DOCGGG@aol.com writes: > do we want to spread the word illegally? > obviously, we tried doing it in a safe matter, but some of our efforts and > demands weren't met. so what happened next, web pages are being hacked. > well, > it's their own fault, they want a struggle, and people are giving them a > struggle. now, we are writing on money? sure it gets attention, but, i > just > hope it won't hurt kevin anymore than what he's struggling with now. > oh yeah, what's up to all those spies who are watching this mailing list. > you > seriously have no life. I pardon the AOL address. I do not pardon your obtuseness. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 03:13:52 +1000 From: Reeza! Subject: Re: [mitnick] FREE KEVIN At 11:21 AM 12/24/98 EST, DOCGGG@aol.com wrote: >oh yeah, what's up to all those spies who are watching this mailing list. you >seriously have no life. > >pardon the aol address. > > You shouldn't thumb your nose at the watchers and apologize in the same breath. They view it as a weakness, to be exploited. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 12:40:04 EST From: DINOMITE1@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] FREE KEVIN i don't think that fucknuts over there should be pissin' and apologizing in the same breath, but it is annoying to have gov. watchin this shiznit. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 15:21:57 -0500 From: Emmanuel Goldstein Subject: Re: [mitnick] on another note .. On Wed, Dec 23, 1998 at 02:38:43PM -0800, Hardrock Llewynyth wrote: > > it isn't "rude" it is theft. even if you leave the door wide open it is > still theft. saying that i shouldn't have left the door open doesn't > absolve the thief from the crime. it is merely the old "blame the victim" > game. in the real world, if you leave the door open to an office or a business and unauthorized people walk in, odds are you'll get yelled at or even fired for leaving the door open. that doesn't happen when computers are involved - intruders are treated as if they had walked in, stolen everything, read everything, and burned everything. > a system on teh internet is intended for access by a certaiun group of > people, which may or may not include the general public. that is why > there is such a thing as restricted acccess. passwords and all that. > unles syou have specific permission to be there, you are trespassing. no > different if i was to go wandering through the corporate offices of > Nordstrom's downtown Seattle; playing with their stationary and > accounting files, and generally making a nuisance of myself. i've wandered through everything from corporate offices to mental hospitals to government agencies in real life and the most that ever happened to me was that i got my name taken and got kicked out. trespassing is a very very common occurrence so if we're going to make the analogy with computers, the penalties should also bear some resemblance. right now they don't. computer trespass is treated as if it were real life sabotage. yet we continue to call it trespassing. either we refer to every hacker as a saboteur or we start treating them as trespassers. you just can't have it both ways. emmanuel ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 16:04:21 -0500 From: Dan Sissman Subject: [mitnick] Re: (off topic) the mentor I've heard it called "The Hacker Manifesto" and "Conscience of a Hacker", but I've never seen any reference to it as Mentor's "Last Words". His real name is Lloyd Blankenship. In addition to writing the Manifesto, he's also the author of "GURPS Cyberpunk" from Steve Jackson Games, was the sysop of the Legion of Doom BBS "The Phoenix Project", and contributed several articles to Phrack. There was a pretty good profile of him in Phrack issue 23, file 2. Michael Blaguszewski wrote: > On Wed, 23 Dec 1998, Xer0 KelviN wrote: > > > To Whom it may concern: > > I am making a Flash Project that uses the mentors words. I was wanting > > This brings up a question that I've had for a while. Who is or was The > Mentor? Is he known for anything except his "Last Words/Hacker Manifesto?" > For that matter, why are they his last words? Anybody know? > > Mike Blaguszewski - -- Dan Sissman, amateur triviaphile Free Kevin Mitnick! http://www.albany.net/~dsissman http://www.kevinmitnick.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 21:23:38 +0000 From: wankworm@postmaster.co.uk Subject: [mitnick] Seasons Greetings!!! You Speak Of Times Of Peace For All And Then Prepare For War ... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 16:32:27 EST From: DINOMITE1@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] Re: (off topic) the mentor - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 It is reffered to Mentor's last words in The Cookbook, and many other places. - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQA/AwUBNoKywpg93+Nh5/0TEQLiXwCbBPyd4iCjrYhR68Zro8cvVVrcENsAniBu 0ex91ckvuE0sTYcQIf1zX65U =2qy2 - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 13:54:14 -0800 (PST) From: Hardrock Llewynyth Subject: Re: [mitnick] on another note .. On Thu, 24 Dec 1998, Emmanuel Goldstein wrote: > in the real world, if you leave the door open to an office or a business > and unauthorized people walk in, odds are you'll get yelled at or even > fired for leaving the door open. that doesn't happen when computers are in the real world, offices are routinely left open so that employees, clients, and delivery people can come and go. > was that i got my name taken and got kicked out. trespassing is a very very > common occurrence so if we're going to make the analogy with computers, > the penalties should also bear some resemblance. right now they don't. > computer trespass is treated as if it were real life sabotage. yet we > continue to call it trespassing. either we refer to every hacker as a > saboteur or we start treating them as trespassers. you just can't have > it both ways. i would agree with this wholeheartedly, except for two things. one, computer systems are rarely "open doors"; thus the legal equivelant would be breaking and entering rather than misdemeanor trespass. second, computer break-ins result in sabotage far more frequently than real life trespass. i do agree with you that the US government's reaction is over the top. However, what i was originally objecting to (if anyone ever bothered to notice that point) was the Norwegian? (i forget) government's "blame the victim" attitude. fact: the intruders circumvented an in-place security system, thus it was obvious the they were not wanted there and were in fact breaking and entering. fact: no amount of security will ever be enough to stop a truly determined and resourceful hacker. thus taking the line that the sysadmin is responsible for any and all intrusions is, at best, ludicrious. hardrock - -- blank signature ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 20:35:12 EST From: DINOMITE1@aol.com Subject: [mitnick] OFF TOPIC LIKE MY NUTS merry christmas to all and to all a good night. MERRY CHRISTMAS KEVIN!!!! Thanxs out to Emmanuel for this list, rOTTEN for his freakiness, Support Services and Che Guevara for the intelligence of the list, Kerry for all the updates, Caliban and Pheonix for who knows what, drklust whatever, and Kevin, we're all out there for ya. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 20:41:46 EST From: DINOMITE1@aol.com Subject: [mitnick] A little Christmas story Is there a Santa Claus? 1) No known species of reindeer can fly. BUT there are 300,000 species of living organisms yet to be classified, and while most of these are insects and germs, this does not COMPLETELY rule out flying reindeer which only Santa has ever seen. 2) There are 2 billion children (persons under 18) in the world. BUT since Santa doesn't (appear) to handle the Muslim, Hindu, Jewish and Buddhist children, that reduces the workload to 15% of the total - 378 million according to Population Reference Bureau. At an average (census)rate of 3.5 children per household, that's 91.8 million homes. One presumes there's at least one good child in each. 3) Santa has 31 hours of Christmas to work with, thanks to the different time zones and the rotation of the earth, assuming he travels east to west(which seems logical). This works out to 822.6 visits per second. This is to say that for each Christian household with good children, Santa has 1/1000th of a second to park, hop out of the sleigh, jump down the chimney, fill the stockings, distribute the remaining presents under the tree, eat whatever snacks have been left, get back up the chimney, get back into the sleigh and move on to the next house. Assuming that each of these 91.8 million stops are evenly distributed around the earth (which, of course, we know to be false but for the purposes of our calculations we will accept), we are now talking about .78 miles per household, a total trip of 75-1/2 million miles, not counting stops to do what most of us must do at least once every 31 hours, plus feeding and etc. This means that Santa's sleigh is moving at 650 miles per second, 3,000 times the speed of sound. For purposes of comparison, the fastest man- made vehicle on earth, the Ulysses space probe, moves at a poky 27.4 miles per second - a conventional reindeer can run, tops, 15 miles per hour. 4) The payload on the sleigh adds another interesting element. Assuming that each child gets nothing more than a medium-sized lego set (2 pounds), the sleigh is carrying 321,300 tons, not counting Santa, who is invariably described as overweight. On land, conventional reindeer can pull no more than 300 pounds. Even granting that "flying reindeer" (see point #1) could pull TEN TIMES the normal anoint, we cannot do the job with eight, or even nine. We need 214,200 reindeer. This increases the payload - not even counting the weight of the sleigh - to 353,430 tons. Again, for comparison - - this is four times the weight of the Queen Elizabeth. 5) 353,000 tons traveling at 650 miles per second creates enormous air resistance - this will heat the reindeer up in the same fashion as spacecrafts re-entering the earth's atmosphere. The lead pair of reindeer will absorb 14.3 QUINTILLION joules of energy. Per second. Each. In short, they will burst into flame almost instantaneously, exposing the reindeer behind them, and create deafening sonic booms in their wake.The entire reindeer team will be vaporized within 4.26 thousandths of a second. Santa, meanwhile, will be subjected to centrifugal forces 17,500.06 times greater than gravity. A 250-pound Santa (which seems ludicrously slim)would be pinned to the back of his sleigh by 4,315,015 pounds of force. In conclusion - If Santa ever DID deliver presents on Christmas Eve, he's dead now. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 18:35:02 -0800 (PST) From: rOTTEN Subject: Re: [mitnick] OFF TOPIC LIKE MY NUTS On Thu, 24 Dec 1998 DINOMITE1@aol.com wrote: > merry christmas to all and to all a good night. MERRY CHRISTMAS KEVIN!!!! > Thanxs out to Emmanuel for this list, rOTTEN for his freakiness, Support > Services and Che Guevara for the intelligence of the list, Kerry for all the > updates, Caliban and Pheonix for who knows what, drklust whatever, and Kevin, > we're all out there for ya. Merry Christian Worship Evening to you too! I would agree with everything except for the Che Guevara thing. rOTTEN ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 20:37:17 -0600 From: flam69@juno.com (Jake N Larson) Subject: Re: [mitnick] FREE KEVIN Yes, i know this is a felony. Think about it, who is going to hunt me down and prosecute me? Nobody. So I feel relatively safe that I'll wake up tomarrow in my own home. |\ | | | /| | \ | | | / | | \ | | | / | | \| | |/ | !FLAM! ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 20:29:41 -0600 From: flam69@juno.com (Jake N Larson) Subject: Re: [mitnick] on another note .. >in the real world, if you leave the door open to an office or a >business >and unauthorized people walk in, odds are you'll get yelled at or >even >fired for leaving the door open. that doesn't happen when computers >are >involved - intruders are treated as if they had walked in, stolen >everything, >read everything, and burned everything. >i've wandered through everything from corporate offices to mental >hospitals >to government agencies in real life and the most that ever happened to >me >was that i got my name taken and got kicked out. trespassing is a very >very >common occurrence so if we're going to make the analogy with >computers, >the penalties should also bear some resemblance. right now they >don't. >computer trespass is treated as if it were real life sabotage. yet we >continue to call it trespassing. either we refer to every hacker as a >saboteur or we start treating them as trespassers. you just can't >have >it both ways. > >emmanuel Right on. More people should have reasoning like that. ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 20:34:42 -0600 From: flam69@juno.com (Jake N Larson) Subject: Re: [mitnick] Re: (off topic) the mentor Another one got caught today, it's all over the papers. "Teenager Arrested in Computer Crime Scandal", "Hacker Arrested after Bank Tampering"... Damn kids. They're all alike. But did you, in your three- piece psychology and 1950's technobrain, ever take a look behind the eyes of the hacker? Did you ever wonder what made him tick, what forces shaped him, what may have molded him? I am a hacker, enter my world... Mine is a world that begins with school... I'm smarter than most of the other kids, this crap they teach us bores me... Damn underachiever. They're all alike. I'm in junior high or high school. I've listened to teachers explain for the fifteenth time how to reduce a fraction. I understand it. "No, Ms. Smith, I didn't show my work. I did it in my head..." Damn kid. Probably copied it. They're all alike. I made a discovery today. I found a computer. Wait a second, this is cool. It does what I want it to. If it makes a mistake, it's because I screwed it up. Not because it doesn't like me... Or feels threatened by me.. Or thinks I'm a smart ass.. Or doesn't like teaching and shouldn't be here... Damn kid. All he does is play games. They're all alike. And then it happened... a door opened to a world... rushing through the phone line like heroin through an addict's veins, an electronic pulse is sent out, a refuge from the day-to-day incompetencies is sought... a board is found. "This is it... this is where I belong..." I know everyone here... even if I've never met them, never talked to them, may never hear from them again... I know you all... Damn kid. Tying up the phone line again. They're all alike... You bet your ass we're all alike... we've been spoon-fed baby food at school when we hungered for steak... the bits of meat that you did let slip through were pre-chewed and tasteless. We've been dominated by sadists, or ignored by the apathetic. The few that had something to teach found us willing pupils, but those few are like drops of water in the desert. This is our world now... the world of the electron and the switch, the beauty of the baud. We make use of a service already existing without paying for what could be dirt-cheap if it wasn't run by profiteering gluttons, and you call us criminals. We explore... and you call us criminals. We seek after knowledge... and you call us criminals. We exist without skin color, without nationality, without religious bias... and you call us criminals. You build atomic bombs, you wage wars, you murder, cheat, and lie to us and try to make us believe it's for our own good, yet we're the criminals. Yes, I am a criminal. My crime is that of curiosity. My crime is that of judging people by what they say and think, not what they look like. My crime is that of outsmarting you, something that you will never forgive me for. I am a hacker, and this is my manifesto. You may stop this individual,but you can't stop us all... after all, we're all alike. +++The Mentor+++ just for your information. and i'm bored to all hell. merry christmas and so on |\ | | | /| | \ | | | / | | \ | | | / | | \| | |/ | !FLAM! ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 19:54:40 -0800 (PST) From: rOTTEN Subject: Re: [mitnick] FREE KEVIN On Thu, 24 Dec 1998, Jake N Larson wrote: > Yes, i know this is a felony. Think about it, who is going to hunt me > down and prosecute me? Nobody. So I feel relatively safe that I'll wake > up tomarrow in my own home. > > |\ | | | /| > | \ | | | / | > | \ | | | / | > | \| | |/ | > !FLAM! I'd force the government to prosecute you for having such a lame .sig file. "GO TRENT REZNOR!!! I LOVE YOU, MAN!!!" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 22:44:18 -0600 From: flam69@juno.com (Jake N Larson) Subject: Re: [mitnick] FREE KEVIN geez, what kind of person would make fun of someone's sig? what's the world coming to? On Thu, 24 Dec 1998 19:54:40 -0800 (PST) rOTTEN writes: >On Thu, 24 Dec 1998, Jake N Larson wrote: > >> Yes, i know this is a felony. Think about it, who is going >to hunt me >> down and prosecute me? Nobody. So I feel relatively safe that I'll >wake >> up tomarrow in my own home. >> >> |\ | | | /| >> | \ | | | / | >> | \ | | | / | >> | \| | |/ | >> !FLAM! > >I'd force the government to prosecute you for having such a lame .sig >file. > >"GO TRENT REZNOR!!! I LOVE YOU, MAN!!!" > > > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 23:03:25 -0600 From: "poiSiNous" Subject: Re: [mitnick] FREE KEVIN Jake N Larson.....I'd like you to meet rOTTEN....heh. ~poiSiNous - -----Original Message----- From: Jake N Larson To: mitnick@2600.com Date: Thursday, December 24, 1998 10:53 PM Subject: Re: [mitnick] FREE KEVIN >geez, what kind of person would make fun of someone's sig? >what's the world coming to? > >On Thu, 24 Dec 1998 19:54:40 -0800 (PST) rOTTEN >writes: >>On Thu, 24 Dec 1998, Jake N Larson wrote: >> >>> Yes, i know this is a felony. Think about it, who is going >>to hunt me >>> down and prosecute me? Nobody. So I feel relatively safe that I'll >>wake >>> up tomarrow in my own home. >>> >>> |\ | | | /| >>> | \ | | | / | >>> | \ | | | / | >>> | \| | |/ | >>> !FLAM! >> >>I'd force the government to prosecute you for having such a lame .sig >>file. >> >>"GO TRENT REZNOR!!! I LOVE YOU, MAN!!!" >> >> >> > >___________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html >or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 00:17:23 EST From: Phoenxknt@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] [Mitnick] Mitnick Question In a message dated 98-12-24 08:48:28 EST, you write: << Very good point. >> Quotes help. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 23:16:12 -0600 From: flam69@juno.com (Jake N Larson) Subject: Re: [mitnick] FREE KEVIN Hey, you threatin' me? take it easy On Thu, 24 Dec 1998 23:03:25 -0600 "poiSiNous" writes: >Jake N Larson.....I'd like you to meet rOTTEN....heh. > >~poiSiNous > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jake N Larson >To: mitnick@2600.com >Date: Thursday, December 24, 1998 10:53 PM >Subject: Re: [mitnick] FREE KEVIN > > >>geez, what kind of person would make fun of someone's sig? >>what's the world coming to? >> >>On Thu, 24 Dec 1998 19:54:40 -0800 (PST) rOTTEN > >>writes: >>>On Thu, 24 Dec 1998, Jake N Larson wrote: >>> >>>> Yes, i know this is a felony. Think about it, who is going >>>to hunt me >>>> down and prosecute me? Nobody. So I feel relatively safe that >I'll >>>wake >>>> up tomarrow in my own home. >>>> >>>> |\ | | | /| >>>> | \ | | | / | >>>> | \ | | | / | >>>> | \| | |/ | >>>> !FLAM! >>> >>>I'd force the government to prosecute you for having such a lame >.sig >>>file. >>> >>>"GO TRENT REZNOR!!! I LOVE YOU, MAN!!!" ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 00:19:52 EST From: Phoenxknt@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] FREE KEVIN In a message dated 98-12-24 11:36:15 EST, you write: << This is actually destruction of U.S. currency which is a felony i think. Noonew really cares and there's no way to see who did it though. >> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 00:21:26 EST From: Phoenxknt@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] FREE KEVIN Sorry, I sent the last one blank on accident. No one will get in trouble for this. I've personally had change given to me in a stack of bills, all labeled "Gay Money". I don't have anything against gays or anything, but found it peculiar. I'm amazed i hadn't thought of writing Free Kevin there. Well thought I'd tell you that its happened before. - -AM << This is actually destruction of U.S. currency which is a felony i think. Noonew really cares and there's no way to see who did it though. >> ------------------------------ End of mitnick-digest V1 #227 *****************************