mitnick-digest Saturday, December 26 1998 Volume 01 : Number 228 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 00:23:58 EST From: Phoenxknt@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] Re: (off topic) the mentor It;s called "The Mentor's Last Words" because it was the last thing he wrote before he "stopped hacking" ::cough bullshit cough cough:: - -AM << I've heard it called "The Hacker Manifesto" and "Conscience of a Hacker", but I've never seen any reference to it as Mentor's "Last Words". His real name is Lloyd Blankenship. In addition to writing the Manifesto, he's also the author of "GURPS Cyberpunk" from Steve Jackson Games, was the sysop of the Legion of Doom BBS "The Phoenix Project", and contributed several articles to Phrack. >> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 00:25:46 EST From: Phoenxknt@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] on another note .. In a message dated 98-12-24 16:55:15 EST, you write: << i would agree with this wholeheartedly, except for two things. one, computer systems are rarely "open doors"; thus the legal equivelant would be breaking and entering rather than misdemeanor trespass. second, computer break-ins result in sabotage far more frequently than real life trespass.>> Mr. Goldstein said that. He said treat it either way. The punishment is sabotage (or gods forbid treason) and tehy call it trespassing. Just pointing that out. - -AM ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 00:28:17 EST From: Phoenxknt@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] A little Christmas story In a message dated 98-12-24 20:43:08 EST, you write: << a conventional reindeer can run, tops, 15 miles per hour. >> What if its on meth? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 00:31:13 EST From: Phoenxknt@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] OFF TOPIC LIKE MY NUTS I agree that its worng to push the religion but here's some views A) He was just being nice and considerate...but Kevin is jewish so I know it offends Jews, as they have Hanukka and never the two shall meet. B) Christmas does not have to be a religious holiday, i know the name means Savior Ceremony or something to that nature, but i prefer to think of it as a peaceful day, rather than a reason to get cynical...wait...that was rOTTEN..uhm...carry on... - -AM ;) << Merry Christian Worship Evening to you too! I would agree with everything except for the Che Guevara thing. rOTTEN >> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 00:33:00 EST From: Phoenxknt@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] FREE KEVIN In a message dated 98-12-24 23:49:14 EST, you write: << geez, what kind of person would make fun of someone's sig? what's the world coming to? >> You're new aren't you? rOTTEN can do whatever he damn well pleases because, well, he's rOTTEN. :) - -AM ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 21:40:01 -0800 From: Caliban Tiresias Darklock Subject: Re: [mitnick] FREE KEVIN On 12:33 AM 12/25/98 -0500, I personally witnessed Phoenxknt@aol.com jumping up to say: > >You're new aren't you? rOTTEN can do whatever he damn well pleases because, >well, he's rOTTEN. :) What a rOTTEN state of affairs. ;) - ----- | Caliban Tiresias Darklock caliban@darklock.com | Darklock Communications http://www.darklock.com/ | U L T I M A T E U N I V E R S E I S N O T D E A D | 774577496C6C6E457645727355626D4974H -=CABAL::3146=- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 00:44:30 -0500 (EST) From: "Aaron D. Ball" Subject: Re: [mitnick] A little Christmas story On Fri, 25 Dec 1998 Phoenxknt@aol.com wrote: # << a conventional # reindeer can run, tops, 15 miles per hour. # >> # # What if its on meth? What if it's sleeping naked in a backyard tent, but hasn't shaved off its pubic hair? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 22:47:34 MST From: "Avenger of Death" Subject: Re: [mitnick] OFF TOPIC LIKE MY NUTS I agree to, I am Buddhist and I don't like how ppl are saying "May "GOD" bless ur soul" and shit like that, when I don't belive in the christian god. It should just be about being together, and seeing ppl that u don't normally get to see. - -Kid D "I agree that its worng to push the religion but here's some views A) He was just being nice and considerate...but Kevin is jewish so I know it offends Jews, as they have Hanukka and never the two shall meet. B) Christmas does not have to be a religious holiday, i know the name means Savior Ceremony or something to that nature, but i prefer to think of it as a peaceful day, rather than a reason to get cynical...wait...that was rOTTEN..uhm...carry on... - -AM ;) << Merry Christian Worship Evening to you too! I would agree with everything except for the Che Guevara thing. rOTTEN >>" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 00:50:16 EST From: Phoenxknt@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] A little Christmas story In a message dated 98-12-25 00:48:30 EST, you write: << What if it's sleeping naked in a backyard tent, but hasn't shaved off its pubic hair? >> Then its not a crime to take pictures ;) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 22:22:09 -0800 From: Caliban Tiresias Darklock Subject: Re: [mitnick] OFF TOPIC LIKE MY NUTS On 10:47 PM 12/24/98 -0700, I personally witnessed Avenger of Death jumping up to say: > >I agree to, I am Buddhist and I don't like how ppl are saying "May "GOD" >bless ur soul" and shit like that, when I don't belive in the christian >god. Which is more offensive: a person wishing me a merry Christmas even though they *ought* to know I'm Jewish, or me responding that I'm Jewish and your religious holidays offend me? Or, to be more secular, if I told you to have a good day and you told me to fuck off -- who's the rude one? Was I somehow infringing on your freedoms by suggesting that I might actually want you to have a good day, perhaps by implicitly denying your right to have a godawful shitty day if you felt like it? The only thing I find as offensive as people pushing their religion on others is people who vehemently push other people's religion away, as if the fact that you have a religion at all is an intolerable affront to their freedom. Theoretically, when someone wishes you a happy holiday, they're not saying "you must be a member of my religion and I will push it at you by reminding you of my holidays". They're being nice and trying to say "hey, I am in a good mood because it is a religious holiday under my belief system". If your belief system doesn't match, does that give you some right to try and fuck up theirs? Isn't religion basically a "don't ask, don't tell" thing in polite society anyway? How many of the people you work with can you classify in religious terms? And no, "Christian" isn't good enough, because Catholic is separate and the various denominations of Protestantism are not the same. Which people do you know that are Lutheran? Methodist? Baptist? Mormon? Do you even know the difference? And if you can't tell me at the drop of a hat what religion J. Random Loser follows, where the hell do you get off expecting everyone to know YOUR religion? It is noteworthy, however, that if Christians can say "God bless you" without fear of offending, you can say something religious under YOUR belief system to THEM without fear of offending. If they get offended, well, you can just point out that you have different religious beliefs and they have no right to be offended by it any more than you do to be offended by "Happy Easter" and "Merry Christmas" greetings. I'm going to start saying "May Satan damn you to hell" every time someone farts. - ----- | Caliban Tiresias Darklock caliban@darklock.com | Darklock Communications http://www.darklock.com/ | U L T I M A T E U N I V E R S E I S N O T D E A D | 774577496C6C6E457645727355626D4974H -=CABAL::3146=- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 23:35:08 -0800 (PST) From: rOTTEN Subject: Re: [mitnick] OFF TOPIC LIKE MY NUTS On Thu, 24 Dec 1998, Avenger of Death wrote: > I agree to, I am Buddhist and I don't like how ppl are saying "May "GOD" > bless ur soul" and shit like that, when I don't belive in the christian > god. It should just be about being together, and seeing ppl that u > don't normally get to see. > -Kid D Relax youngster. I was joking. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 23:36:09 -0800 (PST) From: rOTTEN Subject: Re: [mitnick] FREE KEVIN On Thu, 24 Dec 1998, Jake N Larson wrote: > Hey, you threatin' me? > take it easy Oh boy... here we go again... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 23:38:19 -0800 (PST) From: rOTTEN Subject: Re: [mitnick] OFF TOPIC LIKE MY NUTS I'm sorry, did you say something, Caliban? On Thu, 24 Dec 1998, Caliban Tiresias Darklock wrote: > On 10:47 PM 12/24/98 -0700, I personally witnessed Avenger of Death jumping > up to say: > > > >I agree to, I am Buddhist and I don't like how ppl are saying "May "GOD" > >bless ur soul" and shit like that, when I don't belive in the christian > >god. > > Which is more offensive: a person wishing me a merry Christmas even though > they *ought* to know I'm Jewish, or me responding that I'm Jewish and your > religious holidays offend me? Or, to be more secular, if I told you to have > a good day and you told me to fuck off -- who's the rude one? Was I somehow > infringing on your freedoms by suggesting that I might actually want you to > have a good day, perhaps by implicitly denying your right to have a > godawful shitty day if you felt like it? > > The only thing I find as offensive as people pushing their religion on > others is people who vehemently push other people's religion away, as if > the fact that you have a religion at all is an intolerable affront to their > freedom. Theoretically, when someone wishes you a happy holiday, they're > not saying "you must be a member of my religion and I will push it at you > by reminding you of my holidays". They're being nice and trying to say > "hey, I am in a good mood because it is a religious holiday under my belief > system". If your belief system doesn't match, does that give you some right > to try and fuck up theirs? > > Isn't religion basically a "don't ask, don't tell" thing in polite society > anyway? How many of the people you work with can you classify in religious > terms? And no, "Christian" isn't good enough, because Catholic is separate > and the various denominations of Protestantism are not the same. Which > people do you know that are Lutheran? Methodist? Baptist? Mormon? Do you > even know the difference? And if you can't tell me at the drop of a hat > what religion J. Random Loser follows, where the hell do you get off > expecting everyone to know YOUR religion? > > It is noteworthy, however, that if Christians can say "God bless you" > without fear of offending, you can say something religious under YOUR > belief system to THEM without fear of offending. If they get offended, > well, you can just point out that you have different religious beliefs and > they have no right to be offended by it any more than you do to be offended > by "Happy Easter" and "Merry Christmas" greetings. > > I'm going to start saying "May Satan damn you to hell" every time someone > farts. > > ----- > | Caliban Tiresias Darklock caliban@darklock.com > | Darklock Communications http://www.darklock.com/ > | U L T I M A T E U N I V E R S E I S N O T D E A D > | 774577496C6C6E457645727355626D4974H -=CABAL::3146=- > <..rOTTEN..> nobody move, nobody get hurt error187(1) critical failure - - - - - - It was once said by a man who couldn't quit, "Dopeman, please can I have another hit?" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 01:50:36 -0600 From: "poiSiNous" Subject: Re: [mitnick] OFF TOPIC LIKE MY NUTS - -----Original Message----- From: rOTTEN >I'm sorry, did you say something, Caliban?< Yeah... he said " I'm going to start saying "May Satan damn you to hell" every time someone farts." I even chuckled ~poiSiNous >> I'm going to start saying "May Satan damn you to hell" every time someone >> farts. >> >> ----- >> | Caliban Tiresias Darklock caliban@darklock.com >> | Darklock Communications http://www.darklock.com/ >> | U L T I M A T E U N I V E R S E I S N O T D E A D >> | 774577496C6C6E457645727355626D4974H -=CABAL::3146=- >> > > > > <..rOTTEN..> > > nobody move, nobody get hurt > > error187(1) critical failure >- - - - - >It was once said by a man who couldn't quit, >"Dopeman, please can I have another hit?" > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 02:21:15 -0600 From: "poiSiNous" Subject: Re: [mitnick] FREE KEVIN lol....and i had no sig file even..lol - -----Original Message----- From: rOTTEN To: mitnick@2600.com Date: Friday, December 25, 1998 2:19 AM Subject: Re: [mitnick] FREE KEVIN > >On Thu, 24 Dec 1998, Jake N Larson wrote: > >> Hey, you threatin' me? >> take it easy > > >Oh boy... here we go again... > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 07:22:25 -0500 (EST) From: ksandre Subject: Re: [mitnick] Re: (off topic) the mentor On Thu, 24 Dec 1998, Dan Sissman wrote: > > I've heard it called "The Hacker Manifesto" and "Conscience of a Hacker", but I've > never seen any reference to it as Mentor's "Last Words". His real name is Lloyd > Blankenship. In addition to writing the Manifesto, he's also the author of "GURPS I've heard it called "The Mentor Speaks." There is an NPR radio show (probably about 3-4 years old) about hackers (hmmmm, maybe it was made during the first H.O.P.E. conference?), and I recall that they had a recording of The Mentor himself reading it. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 07:23:29 -0500 (EST) From: ksandre Subject: Re: [mitnick] Seasons Greetings!!! On Thu, 24 Dec 1998 wankworm@postmaster.co.uk wrote: > You Speak Of Times Of Peace For All And Then Prepare For War ... "Masters Of War?" [the song?] "Let there Peace on Earth and let it begin with me." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 07:23:57 -0500 (EST) From: ksandre Subject: Re: [mitnick] A little Christmas story On Thu, 24 Dec 1998 DINOMITE1@aol.com wrote: > according to Population Reference Bureau. At an average (census)rate of > 3.5 children per household, that's 91.8 million homes. One presumes there's > at least one good child in each. > ...and out of that one "good" child number, how many are sitting in front of a computer surfing the 'net? (I saw that "World Room" example based on UN demography that stated "_no_one_ would have a computer!") ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 07:24:24 -0500 (EST) From: ksandre Subject: Re: [mitnick] FREE KEVIN On Fri, 25 Dec 1998 Phoenxknt@aol.com wrote: > No one will get in trouble for this. I've personally had change given to me in > a stack of bills, all labeled "Gay Money". I don't have anything against gays > or anything, but found it peculiar. I'm amazed i hadn't thought of writing Harvey Firestein (sorry 'bout the spelling) was on television awhile ago, telling people to do that (although I think he told people to use "Minority Money," if one could be catagorised from a "minority" like Gays or whatever). ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 09:11:32 EST From: NegatveZr0@aol.com Subject: [mitnick] Merry Christmas Merry Christmas, Happy Kwaanza, Happy Chanukka (sorry about the spelling) and if your athiest, have a nice day. I myself am not Christian, I was born Buddhist, but ever since i have "converted" to just becoming athiest. Happy Chanuakka (is that right?) Kevin! >Negative Zer0 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 10:45:28 EST From: Mokkaha@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] [followers; hackers] misc.. In a message dated 98-12-20 00:36:38 EST, you write: > > I find rOTTEN to be quite entertaining at times. > > That makes two of us. > > I find myself entertaining all the time. Count me in. Merry Christmas from Oklahoma, your friend jane ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 09:26:10 -0600 From: flam69@juno.com (Jake N Larson) Subject: Re: [mitnick] FREE KEVIN >> Hey, you threatin' me? >> take it easy > > >Oh boy... here we go again... > > > > we're all friends here, right? By the way, aren't we suposed to be talking about Kevin? ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 10:03:38 -0600 From: "poiSiNous" Subject: [mitnick] Off Topic : Holiday stuff I am not always a bitch...so Happy Holidays... even to the people I deem as complete morons... wait, was that bitchy? ::wink:: ~poiSiNous " Quote censored because of mass hysteria" ICQ : 2359153 s h a t t e r e d s c r e a m s http://members.xoom.com/poiSiNous/Lair.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 11:54:17 EST From: DINOMITE1@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] FREE KEVIN rotten has the stupidity umm i mean the POWER AND INTELLIGENCE of the list ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 11:57:35 EST From: DINOMITE1@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] OFF TOPIC LIKE MY NUTS FART excuse me ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 12:20:35 -0500 From: Dan Sissman Subject: [mitnick] Holiday greetings Oh well, happy belated Winter Solstice, everyone. Blessed be. Hail Eris. - -- Dan Sissman, amateur triviaphile Free Kevin Mitnick! http://www.albany.net/~dsissman http://www.kevinmitnick.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 12:23:31 EST From: DINOMITE1@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] Holiday greetings In a message dated 12/25/1998 12:22:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, dsissman@albany.net writes: > Blessed be. Hail > Eris. May Satan damn you to hell! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 11:32:55 -0600 From: "jackdarippa" Subject: Re: [mitnick] OFF TOPIC LIKE MY NUTS - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Well, I'm jewish, and this is all getting a little angry over something that really none of us care about. Yeah, all that shit some christians say gets on my nerves, but i just ignore it...(unless i'm in the mood for some fun!) I mean, the friends of mine who happen to be christian(most of whom aren't religious whatsoever) say "merry christmas" to me as a joke. It doesn't affect me whatsoever. Just felt like saying that. jackdarippa - - -----Original Message----- From: Caliban Tiresias Darklock To: mitnick@2600.com Date: Friday, December 25, 1998 12:40 AM Subject: Re: [mitnick] OFF TOPIC LIKE MY NUTS >On 10:47 PM 12/24/98 -0700, I personally witnessed Avenger of Death jumping >up to say: >> >>I agree to, I am Buddhist and I don't like how ppl are saying "May "GOD" >>bless ur soul" and shit like that, when I don't belive in the christian >>god. > >Which is more offensive: a person wishing me a merry Christmas even though >they *ought* to know I'm Jewish, or me responding that I'm Jewish and your >religious holidays offend me? Or, to be more secular, if I told you to have >a good day and you told me to fuck off -- who's the rude one? Was I somehow >infringing on your freedoms by suggesting that I might actually want you to >have a good day, perhaps by implicitly denying your right to have a >godawful shitty day if you felt like it? > >The only thing I find as offensive as people pushing their religion on >others is people who vehemently push other people's religion away, as if >the fact that you have a religion at all is an intolerable affront to their >freedom. Theoretically, when someone wishes you a happy holiday, they're >not saying "you must be a member of my religion and I will push it at you >by reminding you of my holidays". They're being nice and trying to say >"hey, I am in a good mood because it is a religious holiday under my belief >system". If your belief system doesn't match, does that give you some right >to try and fuck up theirs? > >Isn't religion basically a "don't ask, don't tell" thing in polite society >anyway? How many of the people you work with can you classify in religious >terms? And no, "Christian" isn't good enough, because Catholic is separate >and the various denominations of Protestantism are not the same. Which >people do you know that are Lutheran? Methodist? Baptist? Mormon? Do you >even know the difference? And if you can't tell me at the drop of a hat >what religion J. Random Loser follows, where the hell do you get off >expecting everyone to know YOUR religion? > >It is noteworthy, however, that if Christians can say "God bless you" >without fear of offending, you can say something religious under YOUR >belief system to THEM without fear of offending. If they get offended, >well, you can just point out that you have different religious beliefs and >they have no right to be offended by it any more than you do to be offended >by "Happy Easter" and "Merry Christmas" greetings. > >I'm going to start saying "May Satan damn you to hell" every time someone >farts. > >----- >| Caliban Tiresias Darklock caliban@darklock.com >| Darklock Communications http://www.darklock.com/ >| U L T I M A T E U N I V E R S E I S N O T D E A D >| 774577496C6C6E457645727355626D4974H -=CABAL::3146=- > - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.0 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBNoPMR9pIpYADgVGcEQL2JgCfapmv3R4q6prnkYbM0UmEygieSXAAoNJ4 GYn23LB0Gz2v7psKkeZoDl5d =apyF - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 11:39:07 -0600 From: "jackdarippa" Subject: Re: [mitnick] OFF TOPIC LIKE MY NUTS - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 While I'm at it, christians seem to think that we hold hanukkah as our version of christmas (not in content but in importance). This is not true at all. Yes, Hanukkah is the most important jewish holiday during the winter season, but actually it is a very minor holiday. It is nothing compared to Passover or Yom Kippur or Shevuoth (which you've probably never even heard of) or Rosh Hashanah. These are all very important holidays. jackdarippa - - -----Original Message----- From: Phoenxknt@aol.com To: mitnick@2600.com Date: Friday, December 25, 1998 12:00 AM Subject: Re: [mitnick] OFF TOPIC LIKE MY NUTS >I agree that its worng to push the religion but here's some views > >A) He was just being nice and considerate...but Kevin is jewish so I know it >offends Jews, as they have Hanukka and never the two shall meet. > >B) Christmas does not have to be a religious holiday, i know the name means >Savior Ceremony or something to that nature, but i prefer to think of it as a >peaceful day, rather than a reason to get cynical...wait...that was >rOTTEN..uhm...carry on... > >-AM ;) ><< Merry Christian Worship Evening to you too! > > I would agree with everything except for the Che Guevara thing. > > rOTTEN > >> > - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.0 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBNoPNutpIpYADgVGcEQJH3gCgw8kpk7JsdYLapsZAVC6Y49Cj9xMAn2wI 4IuJ24upmslNCv6+V6S3Fj3g =iMXD - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 10:21:20 -0800 (PST) From: Lewis De Payne Subject: Re: [mitnick] OFF TOPIC LIKE MY NUTS On Thu, 24 Dec 1998, Avenger of Death wrote: > > I agree to, I am Buddhist and I don't like how ppl are saying "May "GOD" > bless ur soul" and shit like that, when I don't belive in the christian > god. It should just be about being together, and seeing ppl that u > don't normally get to see. -Kid D Go to a fucking seance if you want to see ppl that u don't normally see. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 14:30:43 -0500 From: che guevara Subject: [mitnick] very off-topic-Buddism don't Buddists have the birth of Buddah this month or in the near future? - -- :che guevara:: ::: ::: ::: :: "I never think of the future - it comes soon enough." -albert einstein ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 12:35:10 -0800 (PST) From: rOTTEN Subject: Re: [mitnick] FREE KEVIN On Fri, 25 Dec 1998, Jake N Larson wrote: > >> Hey, you threatin' me? > >> take it easy > > > > > >Oh boy... here we go again... > > > > > > > > > we're all friends here, right? No. > By the way, aren't we suposed to be talking about Kevin? Depends. <..rOTTEN..> nobody move, nobody get hurt error187(1) critical failure - - - - - - It was once said by a man who couldn't quit, "Dopeman, please can I have another hit?" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 12:39:47 -0800 (PST) From: rOTTEN Subject: Re: [mitnick] FREE KEVIN On Fri, 25 Dec 1998 DINOMITE1@aol.com wrote: > rotten has the stupidity umm i mean the POWER AND INTELLIGENCE of the list Yo mama, muthafucka. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 16:02:30 -0500 From: che guevara Subject: [mitnick] guiness book of world records - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 did kevin know that he's a world record holder? this was taken from page 178 of the 1999 guiness book of world records: "most notorious hacker case: Hacker Kevin Mitnick is alleged to have broken into several major orginizations' computer systems, including those of Sun Microsystems, Motorola, and the Pentagon. Mitnick was arrested on September 16, 1996 after an FBI computer expert [probably Shimomura] tracked him down. He has since been charged with software theft, wire fraud, the interception of wire communications and computer vandalism. Mitnick, the first hacker ever to appear on an FBI wanted poster, faces up to 12 years in prison if found guilty." doesn't this seem a little inacurate? - - -- :che guevara:: ::: ::: ::: :: "I never think of the future - it comes soon enough." -albert einstein - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0 for non-commercial use Charset: noconv iQA/AwUBNoP9Np9j7JVZOfNbEQLWdACeNx9Ztc9SGGKSKc2Kd9uSqKfGTeQAoOQ8 mi0ZRhpCbRZ1xsbun9Lq+bYE =7TLC - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 17:54:44 EST From: JAKade@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] OFF TOPIC LIKE MY NUTS In a message dated 12/25/98 12:47:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, jackr1pp@unixfreak.com writes: > While I'm at it, christians seem to think that we hold hanukkah as our > version of christmas (not in content but in importance). This is not > true at all. Actually, Hanukkah HAS been emphasized as of late by the media in an attempt to feed the holiday buying and entertainment binge. >Yes, Hanukkah is the most important jewish holiday > during the winter season, but actually it is a very minor holiday. It > is nothing compared to Passover or Yom Kippur or Shevuoth (which > you've probably never even heard of) or Rosh Hashanah. These are all > very important holidays. BUT they don't bring much of a commercial profit. Ever see ads for lamb and unleavened bread during Passover? ^_^ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 20:30:13 EST From: NegatveZr0@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] guiness book of world records 12 years if convicted guilty?? Holy patootie, thats a long time. Does anyone have a chart or something (like the one on kevinmitnick.com) that shows the various jail timings for different crimes? if so, thanks and send it in. |\/\/| Zer0 - -Negative Zer0 http://welcome.to/nuclearwinterinc Nuclear Winter Technologies Incorporated ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 21:37:41 EST From: DINOMITE1@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] guiness book of world records you can get the chart at the Ninth Circuit district court sit, i think that there's a note or a link at www.kevinmitnick.com near the banner ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 08:52:00 +0000 From: kerry Subject: [mitnick] Mitnick WIRED mention The January issue of WIRED magazine says the following on page 46. This contains several factual inaccuracies. "Three books, a Miramax film deal, and a grassroots Free Kevin campaign later, Kevin Mitnick will get his big day in court. On January 19, the notorious hacker will face the most serious of his alleged crimes in a case that his lawyer Donald Randolph (pictured) says "will set a legal precedent." "The law needs to distinguish between hackers and terrorists," Randolph says. "Mitnick is a recreational hacker." While downloading $80 million worth of proprietary data from Fortune 500 company networks isn't recreation for most, Randolph insists prosecutors are overreacting. If convicted, Mitnick, already in prison for a lesser offense, could spend more than century [sic] in the Big House." -- Amy Johns To start with, the $80 million thing is just wrong. We're still waiting to receive a copy of the court document where that figure was mentioned by the prosecution, but from what investigation we've been able to do, the government is the only one who ever stated that figure, not the companies. To say the least, this figure has NOT been proven at all, and it does not appear in the indictment. The WIRED mention makes it sound as though Kevin did this for sure. Also, Kevin is not serving time for a lesser offense anymore. He finished that -- I think -- 26 months ago? I'll check to be sure. At this moment, he is not serving time for anything; he's just awaiting trial, which is actually on April 20, not January 19, as we know. Also see page 108 for Kevin Poulsen's story exile.com, about his own supervised release conditions and ban from the internet, wherein rOTTEN is mentioned several times as well. They didn't spell his name quite right though... kerry *********************************************************** FREE KEVIN bumperstickers http://www.mindspring.com/~jump0 *********************************************************** PO Box 17435 - Raleigh NC 27619 - email jump0@mindspring.com checks/money orders payable to "Free Kevin Publicity Fund" *********************************************************** Stickers are sold at cost plus postage - we make no profit from this effort - donations are split equally between Kevin's Defense Fund and the Free Kevin Publicity Fund. *********************************************************** F R E E K E V I N http://www.KevinMitnick.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 09:18:28 +0000 From: kerry Subject: [mitnick] Kevin stuff As we had started to think, Kevin won't be able to view any evidence until at least a few days after the new year. I guess everything has to stop for the holidays, altho Kevin doesn't get any kinda break. For those of you who wanted to get Kevin a gift or something, I will let you know as soon as I hear back on that, as I still haven't heard. Nothing is different in prison during the holidays, so doesn't matter if it's after the holidays when you send him something, if you had planned on it. He would still appreciate it, I know. Also, someone is claiming to have hacked kevinmitnick.com several days ago. If you hear/see such rumors, they're not true. I DEFINITELY would've noticed ;) kerry *********************************************************** FREE KEVIN bumperstickers http://www.mindspring.com/~jump0 *********************************************************** PO Box 17435 - Raleigh NC 27619 - email jump0@mindspring.com checks/money orders payable to "Free Kevin Publicity Fund" *********************************************************** Stickers are sold at cost plus postage - we make no profit from this effort - donations are split equally between Kevin's Defense Fund and the Free Kevin Publicity Fund. *********************************************************** F R E E K E V I N http://www.KevinMitnick.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 12:48:46 -0500 From: Emmanuel Goldstein Subject: Re: [mitnick] guiness book of world records before i go out to the store to buy this, can someone assure me that it's not a joke? for one thing, where is the "world record"? emmanuel On Fri, Dec 25, 1998 at 04:02:30PM -0500, che guevara wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > did kevin know that he's a world record holder? > this was taken from page 178 of the 1999 guiness book of world > records: > > "most notorious hacker case: Hacker Kevin Mitnick is alleged to have > broken into several major orginizations' computer systems, including > those of Sun Microsystems, Motorola, and the Pentagon. Mitnick was > arrested on September 16, 1996 after an FBI computer expert [probably > Shimomura] tracked him down. He has since been charged with software > theft, wire fraud, the interception of wire communications and > computer vandalism. Mitnick, the first hacker ever to appear on an > FBI wanted poster, faces up to 12 years in prison if found guilty." > > doesn't this seem a little inacurate? > > - -- > :che guevara:: > ::: > ::: > ::: > :: > "I never think of the future - it comes soon enough." > -albert einstein > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGPfreeware 5.0 for non-commercial use > Charset: noconv > > iQA/AwUBNoP9Np9j7JVZOfNbEQLWdACeNx9Ztc9SGGKSKc2Kd9uSqKfGTeQAoOQ8 > mi0ZRhpCbRZ1xsbun9Lq+bYE > =7TLC > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 12:54:59 -0500 From: Emmanuel Goldstein Subject: [mitnick] the today show ok, i consider this to be the best time of year to target the today show with posters and banners and stuff. as some of you know, this nbc morning show frequently shows the crowd outside its studios holding signs and whatnot. these crowds can get quite big at times. but i suspect they don't get quite so big when it's freezing outside. so our odds of being seen will increase dramatically. what i'd like to do, starting monday, is scope out the place, both on tv and on the scene. we'll need people to watch the show and see how the shots are done and at least one person to travel down to rockefeller center in nyc between 7 and 9 am and report on how crowded it is, how it's set up, etc. once we have this info, we can plan something for a specific day, hopefully later in the week. anybody up for this? consider that, in addition to reaching millions of people, kevin himself will be able to see this. emmanuel ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 13:40:31 -0500 From: che guevara Subject: Re: [mitnick] guiness book of world records - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 it is not a joke. the record is under the section of Hi-Tech: Computers, page 178 it's the big hard covered 1999 Guiness Book of Records, the one that has 1999 in a hologram on front Emmanuel Goldstein wrote: > > before i go out to the store to buy this, can someone assure me that > it's not a joke? for one thing, where is the "world record"? > > emmanuel > - - -- :che guevara:: ::: ::: ::: :: "I never think of the future - it comes soon enough." -albert einstein - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0 for non-commercial use Charset: noconv iQA/AwUBNoUtm59j7JVZOfNbEQI83wCfcCmDvBEkXSeNBTFce8nwVgGwqW4AnRb5 BnBTrERZi6D0aW8KTcqJnJ8S =k12i - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 13:56:38 -0500 From: Emmanuel Goldstein Subject: Re: [mitnick] guiness book of world records then that leaves just one question: what is the world record? emmanuel On Sat, Dec 26, 1998 at 01:40:31PM -0500, che guevara wrote: > > it is not a joke. the record is under the section of Hi-Tech: > Computers, page 178 > it's the big hard covered 1999 Guiness Book of Records, the one that > has 1999 in a hologram on front ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 14:18:29 -0500 From: che guevara Subject: Re: [mitnick] guiness book of world records most notorious hacker case Emmanuel Goldstein wrote: > > then that leaves just one question: what is the world record? > > emmanuel > > On Sat, Dec 26, 1998 at 01:40:31PM -0500, che guevara wrote: > > > > it is not a joke. the record is under the section of Hi-Tech: > > Computers, page 178 > > it's the big hard covered 1999 Guiness Book of Records, the one that > > has 1999 in a hologram on front - -- :che guevara:: ::: ::: ::: :: "I never think of the future - it comes soon enough." -albert einstein ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 14:55:53 -0500 (EST) From: ksandre Subject: Re: [mitnick] guiness book of world records On Sat, 26 Dec 1998, che guevara wrote: > Subject: Re: [mitnick] guiness book of world records > > most notorious hacker case > OY. Having that catagory in the _Guiness_Book_ is like throwing down a guantlet, inviting someone to break it. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 15:27:22 -0500 From: Emmanuel Goldstein Subject: Re: [mitnick] guiness book of world records On Sat, Dec 26, 1998 at 02:55:53PM -0500, ksandre wrote: > > On Sat, 26 Dec 1998, che guevara wrote: > > Subject: Re: [mitnick] guiness book of world records > > > > most notorious hacker case > > > > OY. Having that catagory in the _Guiness_Book_ is like throwing down a > guantlet, inviting someone to break it. it's also rather contrary to what i thought the purpose of the book was. "most notorious" is such a subjective category to even include. i was under the impression they only dealt in cold hard numbers. there might as well be an entry for most gullible reporter. emmanuel ------------------------------ End of mitnick-digest V1 #228 *****************************