mitnick-digest Wednesday, November 25 1998 Volume 01 : Number 201 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 17:26:51 -0500 From: "Thomas R. Roughley" Subject: RE: [mitnick] what am i gonna do now? Use Mosaic at least it isnt written by sell outs - -----Original Message----- From: owner-mitnick@2600.com [mailto:owner-mitnick@2600.com]On Behalf Of che guevara Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 1998 3:55 PM To: Mitnick@2600.com Subject: [mitnick] what am i gonna do now? AOL bought netscape...need good mac browser, please help!!! - -- che guevara "I never think of the future - it comes soon enough." [albert einstein] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 14:50:45 -0800 From: "Caliban Tiresias Darklock" Subject: Re: [mitnick] what am i gonna do now? - -----Original Message----- From: che guevara To: Mitnick@2600.com Date: Tuesday, November 24, 1998 2:16 PM Subject: [mitnick] what am i gonna do now? >AOL bought netscape...need good mac browser, please help!!! Now the quandary is acute: who do you hate less, Microsoft or AOL? ;) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 18:56:49 -0500 From: kerry Subject: Re: Re: [mitnick] Kevin still in Jail At 12:45 PM 11/24/98 -0500, you wrote: >question of law. A while ago I gave the cite for a case wherein the Court >responded to public pressure. If we could direct our efforts toward >publicity and away from flames we might help Kevin. This is so true. We have to keep getting the word out; it's more important now than ever. Imagine how it would feel, going into this trial, now less than 2 months away, knowing the prosecution and judge have it in for you, as do an inestimable number of people who've read the stuff published by the NY Times and other media who've published rumors as facts without checking, or just plain made up rumors; and having heard, while in jail still awaiting trial, about all these cases where people accused of similar and worse crimes were actually convicted and got off with less than this. You'd be getting anxious. I'm getting anxious and i'm not even the one in jail. The response from the potential expert witnesses for the specific task of making sure kevin can safely review the computerized evidence has been encouraging. There haven't been hundreds of replies, but the ones I've seen look good. There are a lot of people around the world who are willing to commit a lot of personal effort to supporting Kevin, if for no other reason than because the government is making him stand for something, and the outcome of this case will have a lot more impact than just on Kevin. Pls keep putting the fliers and stickers up; more people need to know this stuff right now. Put them everywhere. We've been very busy putting together more information for the website and that will be there soon... it's taken longer than expected due to the amount of information and trying to get it organized. I'll be very busy with the site this Thanksgiving vacation :) Thanks to Bobwil623 for a huge amount of help on all this. kerry *********************************************************** FREE KEVIN bumperstickers http://www.mindspring.com/~jump0 *********************************************************** PO Box 17435 - Raleigh NC 27619 - email jump0@mindspring.com checks/money orders payable to "Free Kevin Publicity Fund" *********************************************************** Stickers are sold at cost plus postage - we make no profit from this effort - donations are split equally between Kevin's Defense Fund and the Free Kevin Publicity Fund. *********************************************************** F R E E K E V I N http://www.KevinMitnick.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 19:04:18 -0500 From: Mike Blaguszewski Subject: Re: [mitnick] what am i gonna do now? On 11/24/98 at 4:55 PM, che guevara wrote: > AOL bought netscape...need good mac browser, please help!!! Well, the Open Source Mozilla.org project is going to continue to operate, so you can use their version of Navigator without guilt. Otherwise, wait for the Opera browser (www.operasoftware.com) for Macintosh to arrive sometime early next year. Mike Blaguszewski ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 19:07:00 -0500 From: Emmanuel Goldstein Subject: [mitnick] another post from agent steal i'm forwarding this to the list as requested: - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Justin Petersen anonymously replying to some of the comments. PGP signature at bottom. Joesph_Heinkel@rocketmail.com wrote: >Isn't he HIV positive? Sounds like a suitable "karmic payback" to >me... Kevin Mitnick spends a few years in jail, Petersen gets the >death sentence. Sorry, I'm quite healthy. Ask the Bureau of Prisons. HIV positive inmates don't get designated to low security prisons. That rumor is being spread by an enemy. >Oh and I suppose Agent *Squeals* opinions are more valid than rOTTEN's? Get > a clue. > > poiSiN Uh, well seeing how rOTTEN has no first hand information regarding the Mitnick case, and that I could actually shed some light and reveal information that only a few people know, I would think that telling me not to talk about the case was not the brightest remark. I was not merely giving an opinion. I was stating relevant facts. rOTTEN wrote: > > Rats like Petersen put hackers, interested > in exploration of technology, in prison Are you really that naive? I can't believe some of you people still buy into that harmless hacking crap. Hacking even in it's most innocent form cost someone money. In essence you are training yourself, learning about technology at the expense of someone else. That is an age old argument that I don't feel like getting into again. But let me just say that Mitnick was not simply exploring technology. He was using his hacking skills to obtain information illegally and then in turn sell it to the P.I. firm he was working for. And that's not the whole of it, he was up to his neck in hacking. The FBI isn't interested in prosecuting curious hackers. While I was working with them we passed up hundreds of potential cases. They were only interested in seriously criminal hackers. Mitnick was fully aware that what he was doing was illegal, and he knew they would fry him if he got caught again. Keep in mind he has been busted 4 TIMES! Frankly I think it's great that people support him, and yes I think the sentence they want to give him is ludicrous. But, put it into perspective, Mitnick is a criminal, he is not innocent, and there is no justification for his acts. If you want to admire and support him that is your decision, just do so understanding who he is and what he has done. Mitnick is not a saint. In reality this whole free Kevin movement is comical. The current public sentiment demands that criminals get stiff sentences. This will be his 4th conviction, he deserves to do about 5 to 6 years. So far he's done 3 1/2. Why should he be free now? Does anyone really think he is innocent or should be giving a break? rOTTEN wrote: >To make matters worse, it's not like he even gave his all to the Feebs. I >can understand that some wanker makes it his life goal to be a fed, but >Petersen rides the fence. He ain't even got the balls to do something >WHOLE HOG. He has to be half-assed about it. A common SELL-OUT. The reason I limited the types of cases I worked on was because I considered myself to be a computer security specialist, that was my job. I worked on compueter breech cases for the P.I. firm before I was arrested as well as after. If a company came to me today and asked me to track down a nasty hacker I would. What I did for the Bureau was simply a job to me. I found it interesting, it got myself out of prison, and I was paid for it. As far as drug dealers go, the ones I know don't kill people. Furthermore, I think drugs should be legal. Drugs do destroy lives but making them illegal destroys more. bobwil623@aol.com wrote: >nearly four years after his arrest, kevin still hasn't had a bail >hearing, and even the supreme court says that's just fine. You people continue to miss an important issue. Mitnick waived his right to a speedy trial. Furthermore, he continues to file motions that delay the trial. And as far as bail goes, he has clearly shown he is a flight risk by leaving town and assuming an alias when he knew a warrant was out for his arrest. Generally speaking 3 time convicted felons do not qualify for bail. bobwil623@aol.com wrote: >in re justin petersen's fawning attempt to give "his side" of the "story" >-- and that's all it is, is a story. I challenge anyone to prove that any of the facts I presented are incorrect. People tend to believe the first story they hear, and accept it as fact. That appears to be the issue here. You have been misled by those I have busted in an effort to strike back at me, and they have misled the media. The story needed a villain and they made me out to be one. The level of inaccuracy regarding the facts presented so far is considerable. And now the Takedown movie is coming out which further distorts the truth. >but nowhere >in the "story" does justin mention why kevin mitnick deserved to be sold >out to the government for the princely sum of $3500 a month. I thought I made that clear. I busted him because that's what I did for a living, it was interesting work and it also happened to get me out of jail. Does it make that much difference if an FBI agent gets paid to bust Mitnick or if I do? >although he's presumably fled the u.s., and although he's removed himself >from this society, he still feels the need to attempt an explanation of >his actions, and his motives, for betraying people to the government. Betray? Turning in someone who betrayed me first? I would have been a fool to do otherwise. And wouldn't my speaking out indicate that I am somewhat concerned with how people view me, and thus perhaps not the human garbage you think I am? If people are spreading lies about me don't I have the right to have my say? I'm involved in the case, shouldn't I discuss it with the people who supposedly support him? Enough rhetoric... Don't hate me because I'm beautiful, just hate me. :-) justin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 19:49:42 EST From: XxLeviaxX@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] another post from agent steal I agree with what you are saying and that mitnick should pay for his crimes. But I do think that there is a form of harmless hacking. If I were a Sysop of a system I would be glad if a hacker was willing to try and break into my system and show me where the holes are in my security. This I think would be harmless hacking but I think that being able to cause harm is too much of a temptation for most hackers. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 19:50:26 EST From: Phoenxknt@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] what am i gonna do now? In a message dated 98-11-24 17:44:45 EST, you write: << >AOL bought netscape...need good mac browser, please help!!! Now the quandary is acute: who do you hate less, Microsoft or AOL? ;) >> I choose what any red-blooded american student would choose, blessed letter D, None of the above. - -AM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 20:06:34 EST From: SkyFireZ@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] what am i gonna do now? I heard that aol was thinking of buying netscape... not that they did. Perhaps thats old news.... whatever. Either way, do you think that aol will change the netscape browser that much?? The only thing i think can come of this is that aol might become a little more "web friendly" AciDRaynE ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 20:14:46 -0500 From: kerry Subject: Re: [mitnick] another post from agent steal At 07:07 PM 11/24/98 -0500, you wrote: >In reality this whole free Kevin movement is comical. The current public >sentiment demands that criminals get stiff sentences. This will be his 4th >conviction, he deserves to do about 5 to 6 years. So far he's done 3 1/2. >Why should he be free now? Does anyone really think he is innocent or >should be giving a break? Because it's not about him being innocent or not. That makes little difference to me, and i think to a lot of us that have to live with a legitimate political process and its consequences. Which you don't. kerry *********************************************************** FREE KEVIN bumperstickers http://www.mindspring.com/~jump0 *********************************************************** PO Box 17435 - Raleigh NC 27619 - email jump0@mindspring.com checks/money orders payable to "Free Kevin Publicity Fund" *********************************************************** Stickers are sold at cost plus postage - we make no profit from this effort - donations are split equally between Kevin's Defense Fund and the Free Kevin Publicity Fund. *********************************************************** F R E E K E V I N http://www.KevinMitnick.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 20:14:56 EST From: SkyFireZ@aol.com Subject: [mitnick] Ahhh.... High School Helps Kevin??? Ok, This is quite a long story, so I'm going to shorten it as much as possible. Basically, my Bio teacher is a nature freak and a equal rights chick.... Its kinda cool. But I have Free Kevin written on all my notebooks, and have been putting signs up that say Free Kevin with the site address. Well now shes interested in it, and she's ordering the bumper stickers! So (not only do I get some free bumper stickers) but shes also talking about a big Free Kevin campaign in the school...... Anyhow, just wanted to let everyone know (including emmanuel and anybody who can possibly help) that this should turn out to be quite interesting. If anybody has ideas, things to send (including text files on the mitnick case, flyers, graphics etc) it would be my honor to help Kevin by getting the word out around here (which is Long Island New York by the way) Thanks for your time and patience, AcidRayne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 20:19:18 EST From: SkyFireZ@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] another post from agent steal I just want to mention that I agree with this entire mail. From the "harmless" hacking to Kevins lack of a speedy trial... I might enjoy hacking and support Kevin, people have to see the real side of the story, not just what they want to see... AcidRayne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 20:47:47 EST From: Sacrosantx@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] Ahhh.... High School Helps Kevin??? Its really hard that people dont' believe the fliers. They say "Anyone can post a website about that shit" (sorry). How should I defend on this matter; even if Itell them that I know its really going on they are still so skeptical. Maybe some clues? Thoughts? lucid ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 20:52:16 EST From: Bobwil623@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] yet another post from a paid informant justin petersen, on the run from the law cause he doesn't have the courage to face up to his accusers, writes anonymously to the list because he doesn't want people to respond to him directly.... > But let me just say that Mitnick was not simply > exploring technology. He was using his hacking > skills to obtain information illegally and then > in turn sell it to the P.I. firm he was working > for... an allegation by petersen that remains unproven. note, too, that none of the charges in the indictment returned against km include allegations of commiting crime for profit. none of those allegations include the claim made by petersen as quoted above. note as well that "private investigators" ("P.I.'s") are often retired or fired from law enforcement, and that they routinely violate the law to get the information they're paid to get. paying $50 to a "friend" at the DMV may well be a crime, but that doesn't mean that many P.I's don't do it. thus, petersen's claim is unsupported by government allegations. in light of how harshly they've treated km to date, i'm guessing the gov't would have included those charges to get the maximum sentence they could get. > And that's not the whole of it, he was up to his > neck in hacking. The FBI isn't interested in > prosecuting curious hackers. two allegations by petersen, thus it's not surprising that we read two false allegations. i've posted information to the list that quotes paid government researchers as saying that "hacking" "threatens national security" - note the absence of a distinction between "curious" and presumably bored "hacking". read the lists of hackers prosecuted by the government, and you'll read of people pleading guilty to serious crimes, and receiving serious sentences -- sentences that just happen to average less than half of what km is facing. > Frankly I think it's great that people support > him, and yes I think the sentence they want to > give him is ludicrous. ahhh, a breath of fresh air. > But, put it into perspective, Mitnick is a > criminal, he is not innocent, and there is no > justification for his acts. michael milken and ivan boesky are "criminals", too, but they weren't set up in the same manner as km was set up. no one was writing at the time of their arrest, nor have they written since, on the front page of the nytimes on three separate occasions, that either of those men was a threat to the stability of the very financial structures of this country, which, in this writer's opinion, they were. - - milken played an enormous part in creating the financial devices (con games, is all they were) that enabled the looting of the nation's savings and loan institutions -- read pete brewton's "the great s & l robbery" for an incredibly well-documented account of the time. - - ivan boesky did much the same thing, but on wall street. they made billions -- with a "b" in case you're feeling far-sighted, justin -- for themselves and their criminal cohorts. suggesting that mitnick is "not innocent" is false on its face, until such time as he is found guilty. note that "guilty" pleas made to a court in this country do not constitute being "found guilty." in that sense, and if my memory serves, km has never been "found guilty." the overwhelming manipulation of the "justice" "system" by the government leads many people to plead guilty to crimes charged against them, to ensure a lighter sentence against the risk of a longer sentence and an unfair conviction. kind of like the reason that petersen claims he left the country, too.... > Mitnick is not a saint... no one, least of all this writer, has suggested that km is a saint. interesting, too, that no one has suggested that petersen is a saint, either. > In reality this whole free Kevin movement is > comical... no one on this list is laughing. note, too, that the prosecutor whose reputation will increase -- with a commensurate increase in status, prestige, power, and pay -- if he convicts/obtains a guilty plea from km isn't laughing either. > The current public sentiment demands that > criminals get stiff sentences. au contraire, mon ami. the public "sentiment," such as it is, is indicated in objective polling as supporting decriminalizing drug use, and reducing the sentences of people put in jail for victimless crimes. henry hyde is just one more example of prominent politicians feeding their fat jowls at the public trough and getting away with stealing tens of millions of dollars, while trying to wreck the lives of those who attempt to oppose or investigate them. i'm wondering if petersen has any information on why the fbi doesn't target henry hyde with two informants trying to entrap him. i'm wondering if petersen has any information on why the nytimes hasn't written three cover stories about henry hyde's efforts to destroy the livelihood of the resident of his congressional district who has brought all this information to light. > Does anyone really think he is innocent or > should be giving a break... this writer has *never* argued that km ought to be "giving (sic) a break" - -- what i *have* argued is that the nytimes attacked a man publicly -- on the front page, on three (3) separate occasions -- who was a "public" figure by virtue of a federal warrant that was later withdrawn, and because of a book published by the author of three nytimes' articles who had a personal and professional relationship with one of the subjects of those articles. note that knowingly filing a false warrant is a felony, if memory serves correctly - it ought not be that hard to prove, but putting a federal prosecutor on trial in this country is virtually unprecedented. i have also argued that the prosecution has overcharged km because of a larger agenda. the prosecutor has denied this (see poulsen's articles at zdnet), saying that "they" (government prosecutors) do not take actions against citizens based on "hysteria" - oh. i feel much better now. ask the 75 people convicted -- wrongly -- of capital crimes and sentenced to death, and who recently appeared on the same stage at northwestern university, completely exonerated as a result of the efforts of "the innocence project." hmmm.... i guess that means that innocent people get framed by the government. > What I did for the Bureau was simply a job to > me. sure. a job. a job where petersen happened to lie about who he was and what he did to the people he came into contact with, for money, with the goal of entrapping people into criminal behavior. a job where petersen attempted to encourage people to break the law (the use by the fbi of "agents provacateurs" is a long and sordid one). > You people continue to miss an important issue. > Mitnick waived his right to a speedy trial. no one has "missed" this "important issue." if *your* attorney isn't ready to go to trial, what would you do if your attorney asked you to waive your "right to a speedy trial"? hmmm? yell at the attorney, and say, "dammit, let's get on with it already - i want to get convicted sooner rather than later!"??? note, too, that the government has used km's incarceration conditions - namely, being placed into solitary confinement for long periods of time - as a tool to coerce him into doing what they want him to do. try mounting an effective defense against federal charges as an indigent defendant with a court-appointed attorney while you're held in solitary confinement 23 hours per day. > You have been misled by those I have busted in > an effort to strike back at me, and they have > misled the media. The story needed a villain and > they made me out to be one... what a marvelous demonstration of the pot calling the kettle white.... as far as i can tell, petersen was being paid by the government to inform on people undercover, which means the people whose activities he was informing on were unaware that he was a (low paid) government agent. also as far as i can tell, petersen as "villain" is a bit of a misnomer - unless you call traveling internationally and doing what you want is villainous. > >...but nowhere > >in the "story" does justin mention why kevin mitnick deserved to be sold > >out to the government for the princely sum of $3500 a month. > > I thought I made that clear. I busted him because that's what I did for a > living, it was interesting work and it also happened to get me out of jail. > Does it make that much difference if an FBI agent gets paid to bust > Mitnick or if I do? ummm... just a bit. petersen's actions resemble those of the people working undercover for the stasi, the secret police in east germany. each month, they got their blood money for informing on the actions of people who didn't know their friend/acquaintance was working for the government. undercover agents are routinely criticized, as their actions undermine the very notion of a civil society. > Betray? Turning in someone who betrayed me > first? details, please. in light of the fact that petersen was a paid informant for the u.s. government while defrauding a local bank of $150K, i'd need to hear quite a few details about how km might have "betrayed" someone who was working to setup an arrest of km by the feds. > And wouldn't my speaking out indicate that I am > somewhat concerned with how people view me, and > thus perhaps not the human garbage you think I > am... sure it would. and? > If people are spreading lies about me don't I > have the right to have my say... sure, petersen has the right to have his say.... post away, petersen. "free and unfettered public dialogue" is what i always say... > I'm involved in the case, shouldn't I discuss it > with the people who supposedly support him... sure. petersen has the address of the list. post away, petersen. "free and unfettered public dialogue" is what i always say... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 18:11:11 -0800 (PST) From: Hardrock Llewynyth Subject: Re: [mitnick] what am i gonna do now? On Tue, 24 Nov 1998 Phoenxknt@aol.com wrote: > I choose what any red-blooded american student would choose, > blessed letter D, None of the above. Let's hear it fo Lynx! hardrock, Unixhead - -- "I will not eat any animal that has ever been a cartoon character." --Dave Lister ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 21:46:28 EST From: Bobwil623@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: [mitnick] Ahhh.... High School Helps Kevin??? > It's really hard that people don't believe the > fliers. They say "Anyone can post a website > about that shit" (sorry). How should I defend on > this matter; even if I tell them that I know it's > really going on, they are still so skeptical. > > Maybe some clues? Thoughts? quite true. but the transcripts aren't made up. the judge really *did* issue a decision about bail in *advance* of arguments by counsel for the defendant (http://www.kevinmitnick.com/emergencybail.html, do a "find" for "inasmuch"). that qualifies for examination under the judicial malfeasance regulations and laws, but i doubt we'll see that sort of a discussion in a court anytime soon. note, in particular this quote from the judge, as she addresses State's Counsel (aka "u.s. attorney")... > The Court: You have no obligation to > respond to the bail motion. I am not going to > give Mr. Mitnick bail, and that is an order, and > you do a formal order, and I will sign it. encourage people to do their own research, and to see the website and your flier as a "nudge" to get them to pay attention to something you believe is important. remind them that just because you think it's important doesn't mean it's true, and that just because they think it's a bunch of baloney, that doesn't mean that it *isn't* true. there are many things going on in the u.s. "justice" system ("justice" means "just us", "the ones with the money") that deserve the attention of people to whom you might hand a flier about km -- perhaps once they learn of the extraordinary way in which the government has treated km, they'll get involved in other issues: prison justice issues; covert surveillance of citizens; using drug laws to enable martial law in impoverished inner city communities - hey, there's no shortage of things in which to be interested. the people who say that you're handing them lies remind me of someone i spoke with recently about the record of journalistic ethical violations demonstrated by the l.a.times - i cited the book "dark alliance" (by pulitzer prize-winning journalist gary webb; see ) in support of my claim that the l.a. times had done a 180 degree "flip-flop" on the issue of crack cocaine in the inner city neighborhoods. the person to whom i was speaking scoffed at the claim, saying "i wouldn't cite 'dark alliance' to support my claim if i were you..." i asked: - - did you read the book? no. - - did you read the cited sources? no. - - did you read the footnotes? no. then how can you deride the book? of course, webb's book cites l.a. times articles by date and page number that say the opposite things about the same events. i didn't want to rub his nose in it, though; i felt i had made my point.... go get 'em, big fella....! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 23:47:10 EST From: BadGirlnLA@aol.com Subject: [mitnick] Poulsen/Mitnick Trial Delay? Check out the latest article by Kevin Poulsen. Things are beginning to heat up. http://www.zdnet.com/zdtv/cybercrime/chaostheory/story/0,3700,2169264,00.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 01:00:16 EST From: Sacrosantx@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] ..non-related.. I know I'm off topic; but I need someone to E-mail me and I'll correspond with a question.. lucid. please dont' hate me. :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 01:08:06 -0800 (PST) From: rOTTEN Subject: Re: [mitnick] another post from agent steal On Tue, 24 Nov 1998, Mr Tanner-Petersen wrote: > But let me just say that > Mitnick was not simply exploring technology. He was using his hacking > skills to obtain information illegally and then in turn sell it to the P.I. > firm he was working for. So what you're saying then, is that you and Mitnick are of the same cloth? > The reason I limited the types of cases I worked on was because I > considered myself to be a computer security specialist, that was my job. I > worked on compueter breech cases for the P.I. firm before I was arrested as > well as after. If a company came to me today and asked me to track down a > nasty hacker I would. What I did for the Bureau was simply a job to me. I > found it interesting, it got myself out of prison, and I was paid for it. Seems to me that the fundamental difference between a snitch and an investigator, is that an investigator is hired for their skills of detection, while a snitch is hired to sell people out. Which were you? And where were you employing your skills consistently for the good of many? When you got out of prison and worked for a "Fortune 500" company? Your self-serving behavior is only indicative of your flighty and unreputable character. You're a criminal by design and a coward by nature. I don't understand your persistant attempts to challenge this suitable perception of you. You're no Secret Agent Man, man. > You have been misled by those I have busted in an effort to strike back > at me, and they have misled the media. ... > The story needed a villain and they made me out to be one. Right. We've all forgotten who the REAL victim is... > I thought I made that clear. I busted him because that's what I did for a > living, it was interesting work and it also happened to get me out of jail. Hmm... Where have I heard tripe like this before? Oh yeah... When baseheads sell out their dealers, that's their attitude. Working with 'la huda' to bust the same guy that used to sell you rock. Sure it's interesting, sure it'll get you out of county until the next time, but plain and simple, you're a mark if you do it. If you want to be an undercover agent, join the LAPD. > Does it make that much difference if an FBI agent gets paid to bust > Mitnick or if I do? Yes. I'd rather see an FBI agent who BELIEVES what they do is right and makes it their life work to investigate and use their skills to apprehend someone, than see a fence-rider throw rat on people to keep his Guns N' Roses ass out of the slammer while committing crimes on the sly to feed his ostentatious and pretentious lifestyle. And frankly, I find it deplorable that tax money (a portion of which could have been mine) went to keeping your nappy, unethical ass in a luxurious habitat, while decent people struggle against eviction from shitty housing in shitty neighborhoods. No sympathy. > And wouldn't my speaking out indicate that I am somewhat concerned with > how people view me, Sure it does. You're self-centered and vain. That's news?? > Don't hate me because I'm beautiful, just hate me. :-) Do I even need to say anything about this or do you see the stupidity in it all by yourself? Vaseline and shit...that's all you spew, Petersen. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 10:48:49 -0400 From: che guevara Subject: Re: [mitnick] what am i gonna do now? i think that they might replace the little N with a little AOL symbol and I can't stand that SkyFireZ@aol.com wrote: > I heard that aol was thinking of buying netscape... not that they did. Perhaps > thats old news.... whatever. > Either way, do you think that aol will change the netscape browser that > much?? The only thing i think can come of this is that aol might become a > little more "web friendly" > > AciDRaynE - -- che guevara "I never think of the future - it comes soon enough." [albert einstein] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 09:42:52 PST From: "TelePhreak ." Subject: [mitnick] What People Have Done > >Could we hear from others who have done something in the real world or via >packet switched reality? It is not off topic and it may inspire someone else. > > > >Thanks to Kerry for her work on Kevinmitnick.com. >Thanks to those of you handing out fliers. >Thanks all the members of the press who have caught on. >Thanks to everyone at 2600 and OTH. Thanks to those who made the flyers Thanks to those who made supporting webpages thanks to those who are selling mitnick merchandise (bumper stickers, tee-shirts....etc...) thanks to those who made banners (which i could use for my site) thanks to those who spread the word to all thanks to good people fighting on kevins side thanks to all the high school teachers for taking the time to listen to some of their students words on kevin. any more? - - - - - - - - ->Phone Rangers<- - - - - - - - - - - F -TelePhreak R Email: AcidHak@Hotmail.com E mIRC: TelePhrk E ICQ: 10886438 K Aol Instant Messanger: TelePhrk 0 E NPA: 908 (NJ) V http://phonerangers.home.ml.org/ I http://welcome.to/phonerangers N - - - - - - - - ->Phone Rangers<- - - - - - - - - - - ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 10:17:07 PST From: "TelePhreak ." Subject: [mitnick] The Peterson BS aww boy, i knew a reply from him would end up in mass attacks upon peterson... Oh well..i'll have to state my opinion also....a short opinion that is... i agree with most of the stuff peterson was talking about except two major statments.... the one about no such things as harmless hacking... i disagree with you, harmless hacking is penatrating a system and deleting files, or coping file with the intent for personal gain(knowledge not being a type of gain), Basically just raising anarchy.. Harmless hacking is....penatrating a system and exploring it finding holes (either leaving them alone or fixing them) and just leaving. now the one about the whole free kevin campiegn being comical when will people realize that this is not about wether kevin is guilty or inocent....it mainly about how the goverment is holding him for 3 and more then a half years without trial or bail. you say well their giving him a trial...yea their doing it, but with the goverment theres always a catch....he gets trial, but he has to read the countless pages a day to read all of the matrial against him. a friend of mine who isnt a kevin supporter but knows the website (becuase i told her) put it simply..... "hey, i went to that kevin mitnick website in school today.....yea...i was reading the sontents of the page and it said he has a trial but he has to read like 44,213,000,000,000,000 (saracasticly) pages a day to read all of the shit against him....man that bullshit." i think that was the best way to put it....its bullshit.... - - - - - - - - ->Phone Rangers<- - - - - - - - - - - F -TelePhreak R Email: AcidHak@Hotmail.com E mIRC: TelePhrk E ICQ: 10886438 K Aol Instant Messanger: TelePhrk 0 E NPA: 908 (NJ) V http://phonerangers.home.ml.org/ I http://welcome.to/phonerangers N - - - - - - - - ->Phone Rangers<- - - - - - - - - - - ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 14:16:30 EST From: EmpAllin@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] What People Have Done In a message dated 98-11-25 13:06:38 EST, TelePhreak writed: > >Thanks to Kerry for her work on Kevinmitnick.com. > >Thanks to those of you handing out fliers. > >Thanks all the members of the press who have caught on. > >Thanks to everyone at 2600 and OTH. > Thanks to those who made the flyers > Thanks to those who made supporting webpages > thanks to those who are selling mitnick merchandise (bumper stickers, > tee-shirts....etc...) > thanks to those who made banners (which i could use for my site) > thanks to those who spread the word to all > thanks to good people fighting on kevins side > thanks to all the high school teachers for taking the time to listen to > some of their students words on kevin. > > > any more? Yeah Thanks to those who have done research that may have some bearing on the case, since it appears Kevin has a apathy dipped lawyer and can't get help from organazations that really should be helping out here - -Allin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 14:57:07 EST From: SkyFireZ@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] what am i gonna do now? Hey, When it comes to aol (and i know im using it right now, so dont think im just backin myself up here) I find that its a good place to talk to people. Granted, the browserr sucks, and it costs too much, but I'm not paying for it so who am I to complain?? It seems to me that a lot of people just say that aol sucks b/c thats what they are hearing from other people...aol doesnt do what its advertised to do, and thats get you to the internet easily, but it has it's benifits here and there. (aol by the way, is not my only ip) But i have to agree with the Microsoft thing. Most of microsofts products just plain suck, and cost waaaay too much. Microsoft has to remember who they are supplying sometimes, because lots of (dare i say) kids, dont have the cash.... AcidRayne ------------------------------ End of mitnick-digest V1 #201 *****************************