[00:35.370 --> 00:38.650] A little town, we have a local sheriff office. [00:39.790 --> 00:47.790] And just two months ago, our local sheriff was fired for speeding. [00:48.150 --> 00:49.230] So we had no sheriff. [00:50.410 --> 00:54.050] And the deputy was on sick leave. [00:58.720 --> 01:01.380] Well, they started questioning me too. [01:01.520 --> 01:04.960] I had a very bad flu. [01:04.960 --> 01:09.540] So I was very sick, but they started questioning me too. [01:09.680 --> 01:12.120] And they questioned me also until two in the night. [01:13.500 --> 01:21.500] The officer who questioned me had brought his notebook with him, and Word, writing the interrogation with Word. [01:21.960 --> 01:23.920] But I had to help him write. [01:24.740 --> 01:26.660] We couldn't use Word. [01:27.600 --> 01:38.520] And later on, when I had to sign the interrogation document, he had to use my printer to get it printed out. [01:39.300 --> 01:41.290] So I made a copy of the document. [01:41.570 --> 01:43.260] I wasn't supposed to have the document. [01:43.420 --> 01:45.960] So I made a copy and emailed it to my lawyer. [01:48.560 --> 01:55.620] And during the interrogation, I went to the bathroom and take a phone call to the biggest Norwegian newspaper. [01:55.900 --> 01:56.940] I tip them off. [01:58.850 --> 02:03.020] And half an hour later, there was a photographer outside our windows. [02:03.020 --> 02:06.780] And the office said, shit, they're already here. [02:08.780 --> 02:24.720] They didn't like the press because this economic and computer crime unit has been attacked all the time from the Norwegian press because all their work really stinks. [02:31.180 --> 02:32.000] Okay. [02:32.840 --> 02:45.440] A couple of days later, when all you guys heard of the story, I think some of you started bombarding MPAs Lori and Norway with emails because their server crashed. [02:54.240 --> 03:03.060] And opposite to the case here in the United States, we have almost 100% support of the whole Norwegian press. [03:03.060 --> 03:12.380] And a lot of television stations have been supported us and said the whole case is bullshit. [03:15.120 --> 03:18.940] And most people in Norway also support Jon. [03:19.760 --> 03:37.120] For example, in the beginning of January, we got a message that Jon was awarded a National College Student Prize for his writing of the CSS. [03:38.560 --> 03:39.900] And he got... [03:44.950 --> 03:50.290] And he got about $2,000 award. [03:50.630 --> 03:53.490] And it was a grand banquet in Oslo. [03:54.010 --> 03:56.690] And an award with all the television celebrities. [03:57.030 --> 03:57.610] And it was great. [04:08.380 --> 04:08.900] Okay. [04:11.480 --> 04:15.880] In Norway there have been a lot of press attention. [04:16.860 --> 04:25.700] The day of the 26th, January 26th, all the main Norwegian newspaper papers had the story on their front page. [04:25.860 --> 04:26.760] The whole front page. [04:27.340 --> 04:29.260] And they all supported Jon. [04:33.320 --> 04:46.740] There was also an incident when the Norwegian Minister of Justice, or perhaps you call it Secretary of Justice here, had mentioned the case in a meeting with the police. [04:46.740 --> 04:53.600] And she had mentioned the case as a crime while it was pending. [04:56.400 --> 04:59.280] It was under an investigation. [05:00.560 --> 05:07.480] So, two weeks ago, we got a letter of excuse from the Norwegian Minister of Justice. [05:12.150 --> 05:16.610] The case also had a great TV coverage. [05:17.310 --> 05:23.270] All the main Norwegian TV station has been over at our home. [05:24.170 --> 05:26.210] Swedish television and French television. [05:26.630 --> 05:28.530] And also ABC News. [05:29.490 --> 05:31.210] But I didn't... [05:31.210 --> 05:36.750] I don't know if they were allowed to send anything because, as I know, they are owned by Disney. [05:43.480 --> 05:52.940] The whole computer intelligence in Norway also support us 100%. [05:52.940 --> 05:55.360] I can give an example. [05:55.560 --> 06:02.520] We use an ISP, a web hotel provider, where we posted links for our code. [06:03.180 --> 06:06.640] And one day, the manager in Norway. [06:06.880 --> 06:15.620] This is a United States, an American company, with an affiliate in Denmark, where the servers are. [06:15.840 --> 06:17.540] And they have an agent in Norway. [06:17.920 --> 06:25.340] We got a telephone from the manager, and he told me he had got a telephone from this criminal unit in Norway. [06:25.580 --> 06:30.220] And they asked him to send them copies of our web server. [06:31.420 --> 06:35.920] And then he told them, the web server in Denmark is in Denmark. [06:36.300 --> 06:40.700] If you get a court order from Denmark, I'll give you what you want. [06:41.540 --> 06:44.880] And then he refused to give anything before they had a court order. [06:46.800 --> 06:53.900] And then he said to me, I have made the copies, in case if they get a court order. [06:53.900 --> 06:57.280] But, is there anything you want me to delete? [07:08.130 --> 07:15.670] The case in Norway is pending, and they were supposed to reach a decision in the end of May. [07:16.630 --> 07:18.190] But nothing has happened. [07:18.630 --> 07:20.330] They have put a lid on the case. [07:23.450 --> 07:31.890] We have heard that they have sent the case to some law professors, to see what they make of the case. [07:32.110 --> 07:38.090] But, from some folks have told us, they can't do anything. [07:38.810 --> 07:42.090] So, I think they will close the case without doing anything. [07:58.940 --> 08:04.320] I have to tell you that our case is not that important. [08:04.640 --> 08:11.480] But the whole case of free speech and free programs is very important. [08:12.880 --> 08:22.640] But, because this could lead us to a complete control from these major companies. [08:23.440 --> 08:25.220] I could give you an example. [08:25.620 --> 08:34.340] I already heard that they are planning to make DVDs, which will self-destruct after you've played them ten times. [08:36.800 --> 08:42.260] and perhaps the next step will be like in Men in Black. [08:43.640 --> 08:47.600] You buy a film, look at it, at the end they erase your memory. [08:47.780 --> 08:49.400] So you can buy it once again. [08:58.860 --> 09:00.080] Okay, that was all. [09:00.340 --> 09:00.640] Thank you. [09:01.260 --> 09:01.700] Any questions? [09:02.060 --> 09:02.420] Questions. [09:06.730 --> 09:07.250] Yes? [09:07.650 --> 09:09.930] So, what kind of support have you gotten? [09:10.190 --> 09:16.090] You say you've gotten many emails, but besides that, how many people have been supporting you? [09:16.730 --> 09:22.070] There was a Norwegian Linux magazine. [09:22.410 --> 09:23.490] They started a petition. [09:24.470 --> 09:29.930] After receiving about 10,000 signatures, they ended it. [09:30.550 --> 09:35.550] And there's also been... there was a discussion on TV with... [09:36.990 --> 09:37.990] What's his name? [09:38.330 --> 09:39.010] Gisle Hannevir. [09:39.070 --> 09:39.970] Yes, Gisle Hannevir. [09:40.170 --> 09:42.890] He started the first ISP in Norway. [09:43.470 --> 09:45.690] He's one of the real internet gurus in Norway. [09:46.750 --> 09:49.770] And he basically called the... [09:49.770 --> 09:50.210] The... [09:51.150 --> 09:52.010] The economical crime. [09:52.030 --> 09:53.430] The economical crime. [09:53.510 --> 09:54.430] They called him Gestapo. [09:55.870 --> 09:57.730] So we received a lot of support. [10:01.630 --> 10:02.670] Any other questions? [10:03.450 --> 10:03.830] Yes? [10:04.090 --> 10:07.030] How long did it take you to write DeCSS? [10:08.050 --> 10:12.430] Well, the most important part was done by our German member. [10:13.030 --> 10:19.890] He used about four, five, six hours to reverse engineer the Xing DVD player. [10:20.170 --> 10:25.910] My part took about three, four hours to write utility and tweak it and fix the bugs. [10:30.340 --> 10:30.820] Yes? [10:31.420 --> 10:31.720] Yes? [10:31.720 --> 10:31.940] What happened? [10:35.160 --> 10:35.660] Were there any others? [10:35.840 --> 10:38.580] I mean, who is everybody involved in the creation of DeCSS? [10:39.540 --> 10:40.800] It's just us three. [10:41.060 --> 10:43.480] Me, the German member and the Dutch member. [10:44.780 --> 10:45.500] They're... [10:45.500 --> 10:45.760] They're... [10:45.760 --> 10:48.060] Both their identities are unknown also to me. [10:51.760 --> 10:52.120] Yes? [11:00.960 --> 11:04.100] Well, it was all sorts of questions. [11:05.200 --> 11:05.720] Like... [11:05.720 --> 11:08.820] When did you meet the other members of Moor? [11:09.040 --> 11:10.080] Where did you meet them? [11:11.480 --> 11:12.000] And... [11:12.000 --> 11:13.260] Who did what? [11:14.740 --> 11:15.260] And... [11:15.260 --> 11:17.180] Did I have a link on a web page? [11:17.300 --> 11:18.780] Did I host it on a web page? [11:19.340 --> 11:19.860] And... [11:19.860 --> 11:21.500] When did I put up a link? [11:21.820 --> 11:23.100] And all sorts... [11:23.780 --> 11:24.600] Those kinds of questions. [11:25.580 --> 11:26.100] And... [11:26.100 --> 11:26.760] They were... [11:26.760 --> 11:27.460] They were polite. [11:28.240 --> 11:29.100] It weren't really... [11:29.100 --> 11:31.360] It wasn't really that... [11:31.360 --> 11:31.800] Hard. [11:36.640 --> 11:37.360] Yes? [11:38.080 --> 11:40.260] One of the things I admire is... [11:41.460 --> 11:42.080] About... [11:42.080 --> 11:44.520] The situation is how... [11:44.520 --> 11:45.880] Mr. J. [11:45.960 --> 11:46.620] Hanson... [11:46.620 --> 11:47.220] I mean, the father... [11:47.940 --> 11:48.260] Has... [11:48.260 --> 11:48.600] You know... [11:48.600 --> 11:50.460] It's supportive of the... [11:50.460 --> 11:51.020] Was... [11:51.020 --> 11:51.940] Jon... [11:51.940 --> 11:55.200] Was your father involved in your computing programming... [11:56.260 --> 11:57.860] Earlier before this? [11:58.020 --> 11:58.880] Or was this... [11:58.880 --> 11:59.920] You know... [11:59.920 --> 12:00.880] Did he come on... [12:00.880 --> 12:02.200] Supporting you after... [12:02.780 --> 12:04.240] The problem started happening? [12:05.760 --> 12:07.660] Was he involved in the computing... [12:07.660 --> 12:09.660] Computer work you were doing... [12:09.660 --> 12:11.620] Before all the... [12:11.620 --> 12:12.740] Situations with the police... [12:13.300 --> 12:13.780] Economic... [12:13.780 --> 12:14.600] Uh... [12:14.600 --> 12:15.100] Uh... [12:15.100 --> 12:15.540] Uh... [12:16.240 --> 12:16.500] Uh... [12:16.500 --> 12:16.760] Yes. [12:17.140 --> 12:17.380] My... [12:17.380 --> 12:18.800] It's my father who got me started... [12:18.800 --> 12:19.880] When I was about... [12:19.880 --> 12:20.860] Six years old. [12:21.160 --> 12:21.640] Excellent. [12:23.100 --> 12:24.840] I started using his computer... [12:24.840 --> 12:25.860] And when I was seven... [12:25.860 --> 12:26.460] He had to get... [12:27.020 --> 12:28.360] Me my own computer... [12:28.360 --> 12:29.260] So he could use his own. [12:32.210 --> 12:33.650] So he's the one who got me started. [12:35.390 --> 12:36.110] Yes. [12:40.910 --> 12:42.050] Yes and no. [12:42.930 --> 12:44.390] Actually I work with... [12:44.390 --> 12:46.030] Norwegian postal services. [12:46.510 --> 12:49.170] But I also have a part-time company... [12:49.170 --> 12:49.970] And selling computers. [12:54.160 --> 12:54.680] Yes. [13:00.430 --> 13:01.150] Yeah. [13:01.310 --> 13:02.370] Mostly IRC and email. [13:05.930 --> 13:06.330] Yes. [13:13.820 --> 13:14.820] Not really. [13:15.100 --> 13:16.120] There was a lot of... [13:16.120 --> 13:17.160] Propaganda in the beginning. [13:17.700 --> 13:18.380] Norway as well. [13:19.880 --> 13:21.000] Most of the... [13:21.000 --> 13:23.060] Most of the big newspapers wrote... [13:23.060 --> 13:23.420] Articles... [13:24.180 --> 13:25.980] Which refer to DeCSS as... [13:25.980 --> 13:26.540] Coping utilities. [13:27.240 --> 13:27.780] And then... [13:27.780 --> 13:28.620] Smaller news... [13:29.200 --> 13:29.860] Magazines... [13:29.860 --> 13:30.340] They just... [13:30.340 --> 13:31.800] Basically rewrote the articles. [13:32.060 --> 13:33.060] So they had much... [13:33.060 --> 13:33.860] Same content. [13:35.160 --> 13:35.880] But... [13:35.880 --> 13:38.980] Recently they started referring to us... [13:38.980 --> 13:39.460] As a... [13:39.460 --> 13:40.380] As a playback... [13:41.220 --> 13:41.680] Device. [13:42.680 --> 13:44.320] That's a bit wrong as well. [13:44.320 --> 13:44.780] But better. [13:49.430 --> 13:49.970] Yes. [13:51.810 --> 13:52.350] Oh... [14:05.990 --> 14:07.530] Did you get extra-ded? [14:07.750 --> 14:09.470] Did you have to help America to get tried? [14:11.090 --> 14:11.630] Well... [14:11.630 --> 14:12.150] I'm... [14:12.150 --> 14:13.230] In the trial on Monday. [14:13.350 --> 14:14.510] I'm not involved in the... [14:14.510 --> 14:15.650] 2600 trial. [14:16.350 --> 14:17.870] I've been added as a... [14:17.870 --> 14:18.950] Name defendant... [14:18.950 --> 14:20.710] The California trade secret... [14:20.710 --> 14:21.610] Like lawsuit. [14:22.970 --> 14:23.510] But... [14:23.510 --> 14:25.570] Unless I go to California... [14:25.570 --> 14:26.530] They can't really do me anything. [14:27.190 --> 14:27.790] They can't... [14:27.790 --> 14:29.390] They can't convict me but... [14:29.390 --> 14:31.490] They won't get me extradited. [14:33.130 --> 14:33.650] Yes? [14:37.570 --> 14:40.960] Who is Derek Fawkes in this code? [14:41.460 --> 14:50.800] Derek Fawkes is a British programmer who worked... he did the first... CSS is actually divided into two parts. [14:50.960 --> 14:53.400] You've got the authorization and the decryption. [14:53.820 --> 14:58.480] The authorization code was posted in an assembly anonymously on the internet. [14:59.300 --> 15:02.020] Derek Fawkes is the person who rewrote it in C. [15:03.980 --> 15:15.500] Our German member took his authorization code, the C code, and actually did rip off the GPL header, but we later sorted that out with Derek Fawkes. [15:16.540 --> 15:26.280] But Derek Fawkes got in legal trouble in Britain, so we had to give away all his rights to the code under the mail list. [15:28.440 --> 15:29.000] Yes? [15:34.610 --> 15:40.170] Yeah, I talked to the German member about three, four days before I left for the US. [15:40.730 --> 15:43.470] I haven't talked to the Dutch member in about a month. [15:45.950 --> 15:46.510] Yes? [15:52.300 --> 15:56.700] I've been charged with what the lawyers like to refer to as the hacker paragraph. [15:58.860 --> 16:01.820] It basically says when you break into a computer system. [16:02.680 --> 16:07.920] And the second part of the charge is copyright infringement, or contribution to copyright infringement. [16:12.670 --> 16:13.350] Excuse me? [16:13.490 --> 16:14.190] How old are they? [16:14.610 --> 16:15.450] How old they are? [16:17.410 --> 16:19.230] How old they were at the time? [16:20.390 --> 16:21.550] How old they are? [16:21.850 --> 16:23.690] I will be 17 this November. [16:25.490 --> 16:27.930] The Dutch member, I don't know his age. [16:28.250 --> 16:30.030] I guess it's somewhere in the 20s. [16:32.270 --> 16:35.350] The German member is about 26, I think. [16:39.600 --> 16:39.760] Yes? [16:40.640 --> 16:49.800] In an earlier discussion here, there was only one person who planned to have gotten DeCSS to work. [16:50.240 --> 16:52.260] Can you comment on that? [16:52.620 --> 16:53.960] Have you used it? [16:55.080 --> 17:00.440] Yeah, I don't recall that comment was on the source code, wasn't it? [17:00.860 --> 17:01.280] Yeah. [17:01.940 --> 17:11.420] But the source code, one of the source codes that was released on the internet, it wasn't the same as the binary version. [17:11.840 --> 17:15.300] It was one of the early versions. [17:15.620 --> 17:20.240] So it should have worked, but if it didn't, I'm not surprised. [17:22.040 --> 17:24.000] But the binary version should work fine. [17:31.010 --> 17:31.530] Yes? [17:31.750 --> 17:39.710] So you said you don't expect to have any difficulties because only California has jurisdiction in this case? [17:40.270 --> 17:40.530] Yeah. [17:40.930 --> 17:41.150] Okay. [17:42.450 --> 17:46.790] So there's no potential negative outcome for yourself? [17:47.910 --> 17:51.910] Well, I could get convicted, but it won't really matter unless I go to California. [17:55.740 --> 17:57.660] So I guess I have to just stay away from there. [17:58.480 --> 17:58.680] You [18:02.670 --> 18:05.970] came forward with your build name and the other two members stayed anonymous. [18:07.550 --> 18:09.990] Well, actually, I didn't really come forward. [18:10.170 --> 18:11.930] It was Wired who published my name. [18:12.210 --> 18:14.530] They saw me on the livid mailing list. [18:33.090 --> 18:34.870] It was a German member. [18:35.150 --> 18:37.710] He reversed engineered the Xing DD player. [18:38.070 --> 18:43.270] He sent his results to me and I created the actual DeCSS application. [18:44.790 --> 18:47.390] So he did the reverse engineering of the algorithm. [18:52.130 --> 18:52.610] Yes? [18:52.950 --> 19:01.750] What do you think the MPAA and this type of people should be doing to try to keep people from pirating their stuff? [19:01.910 --> 19:03.970] Or is it something they can never stop? [19:04.770 --> 19:07.110] What do you think about the whole, the bigger issue? [19:08.650 --> 19:10.590] Well, you can't really stop piracy. [19:10.590 --> 19:13.110] There is no such thing as copy protection. [19:13.630 --> 19:15.370] So there is no way to stop it. [19:17.070 --> 19:23.610] They have to just make people buy legal copies by maintaining reasonable prices and good products. [19:35.060 --> 19:36.290] I guess that's all. [19:36.600 --> 19:38.040] Anyone has any more questions? [19:38.040 --> 19:39.080] Question. [19:39.980 --> 19:45.500] Could you tell us the maximum penalties you have been liable for? [19:46.380 --> 19:46.800] In Norway? [19:47.220 --> 19:59.060] In Norway, the maximum penalty is two years for the hacker paragraph and three years for copyright infringement. [19:59.060 --> 20:02.560] In California, I'm not really sure. [20:03.160 --> 20:04.480] What about civil penalties? [20:05.000 --> 20:06.020] Civil penalties? [20:06.460 --> 20:08.620] I'm not facing civil penalties in Norway. [20:08.960 --> 20:10.680] It's a criminal charge. [20:19.430 --> 20:19.630] Yes? [20:19.950 --> 20:21.350] What about region coding? [20:25.170 --> 20:28.310] Well, the region coding is actually a separate issue. [20:28.950 --> 20:37.010] The region code is stored in a file called video underscore TS dot IFO on the DVD disc. [20:37.250 --> 20:39.310] It's stored at hex offset 23. [20:40.870 --> 20:53.150] And if you buy a region 2 DVD in Europe and you want to play it here in the U.S., you'll have to decrypt the DVD, then edit the video TS IFO file, and then you can play it. [20:54.290 --> 20:56.370] Unless you already have a region hack for your player. [20:57.090 --> 20:57.290] You [21:06.500 --> 21:11.880] know, piracy has changed because that's, I think, part of the public perception problem. [21:12.040 --> 21:33.500] A lot of people think piracy of that's where someone steals some artist's work, but they don't realize that the piracy is redefined as even the ability to make a, to view a DVD on a unlicensed platform or to make copies for personal use. [21:33.840 --> 21:34.640] Yes, absolutely. [21:34.860 --> 21:36.200] That's what they're trying to do. [21:36.320 --> 21:40.560] They're trying to redefine piracy and take away our fair use rights. [21:40.920 --> 21:47.420] Do you find an issue of what the real issues are? [21:47.420 --> 21:49.270] Yeah, yeah, I think so. [21:54.820 --> 21:55.300] Yes? [22:00.880 --> 22:05.000] Yeah, yeah, it's actually an old law. [22:05.240 --> 22:10.800] So they don't really have a law that they can get me, get me on. [22:10.920 --> 22:15.780] So they're trying to apply that old law to this case, which probably won't work. [22:20.840 --> 22:23.660] Yeah, they're treating a DVD disc as a computer system. [22:23.800 --> 22:25.440] So I've broken into my own DVD. [22:31.230 --> 22:31.710] Yes? [22:32.010 --> 22:35.800] Is it possible that you could do it? [22:37.260 --> 22:41.680] Yeah, if Emmanuel's lawyers wants me to go on as a witness, I will. [22:46.760 --> 22:46.940] Yes? [22:47.180 --> 22:48.160] Are we talking about DivX? [22:48.560 --> 22:49.040] DivX? [22:49.240 --> 22:53.500] Are we talking DivX as an MPEG-4 or the sucky Circuit City shit? [23:12.000 --> 23:15.360] You think it's gonna affect the whole industry? [23:15.860 --> 23:16.240] The whole industry? [23:20.290 --> 23:24.690] It might end up like MP3, but I don't really find the quality that good. [23:32.080 --> 23:32.580] Yes? [23:32.580 --> 23:32.600] Yes? [23:38.790 --> 23:41.270] I actually sold out, I got a job now. [23:43.890 --> 23:49.910] So I'm going to take the rest of high school as what you call in Norway a privatist. [23:50.170 --> 23:52.890] You study on your own and take exams. [23:53.690 --> 23:56.750] And so in a couple of years I'll probably be studying in France. [23:57.150 --> 23:57.970] Are you coding? [23:58.410 --> 24:00.110] Yeah, I work as a developer. [24:07.130 --> 24:07.410] Yes? [24:18.380 --> 24:20.740] Can you please repeat the resolution you mentioned? [24:26.750 --> 24:30.810] No, the resolution of a DVD depends on whether it's PAL or NTSC. [24:37.540 --> 24:41.000] Well, the PAL resolution is... [24:43.020 --> 24:46.380] Well, NTSC is 720 x 480. [24:48.900 --> 24:51.480] I can't hear you, could you please step up to the microphone? [24:59.540 --> 25:00.060] Thanks. [25:00.380 --> 25:00.660] Okay. [25:01.020 --> 25:01.900] Can people hear me now? [25:02.120 --> 25:02.280] Yes. [25:02.420 --> 25:02.700] Do you hear me? [25:02.960 --> 25:03.180] Okay. [25:04.780 --> 25:12.040] The resolution of the MPEG-2 video is 1024 x 768 standard. [25:12.680 --> 25:14.440] That's how all the Hollywood movies are released. [25:14.600 --> 25:18.560] And the player converts it to the local TV standard. [25:18.760 --> 25:27.540] However, if you hack into the player and hook up a monitor with a proper DAC video card, you can have a full resolution. [25:27.760 --> 25:28.640] No, you can't. [25:28.740 --> 25:36.040] DVD on a DVD disc is stored in either PAL or NTSC, which is 720 x 480. [25:36.740 --> 25:40.780] And NTSC is... you can get a spot like that, yeah? [25:40.960 --> 25:41.140] Yeah. [25:41.520 --> 25:45.940] At best, but my understanding is that that's not true. [25:45.940 --> 25:48.020] That's what they want you to believe. [25:48.240 --> 25:51.100] What's really on that DVD is a full-quality picture. [25:51.360 --> 25:56.100] You can actually buy some hacked DVD players, which you can connect to an HDTV set. [25:57.000 --> 25:57.480] Yes, yes. [25:57.500 --> 25:58.480] They will give you the full resolution. [25:58.620 --> 26:00.620] It doesn't really have to be an HDTV set, but... [26:00.620 --> 26:01.540] I was no aware of that. [26:01.540 --> 26:03.340] With a 17-inch monitor, you'll get the full resolution. [26:03.520 --> 26:06.740] That is, if you take it right off the digital path, so... [26:06.740 --> 26:07.960] They're quite expensive, though. [26:09.620 --> 26:10.620] Actually, actually not. [26:10.880 --> 26:12.120] Can you hack players or something else? [26:12.580 --> 26:14.440] You have to pay a hacker for it, yes. [26:14.540 --> 26:16.640] But you can do it yourself and get a soldering iron out, it's no problem. [26:17.420 --> 26:24.660] And another thing I want to comment on is that in Australia, it's illegal to sell a DVD machine that has not been hacked. [26:25.440 --> 26:28.800] But actually, OpenDVD already says that. [26:29.240 --> 26:29.760] Perhaps that's... [26:29.760 --> 26:32.940] It's illegal to sell a DVD player that has its own codes. [26:33.940 --> 26:40.900] After he got in trouble, they put on public TV to have all the source codes. [26:41.580 --> 26:42.560] Uh-huh, uh-huh. [26:42.780 --> 26:45.760] And it's also very likely the whole European community is going to... [26:45.760 --> 26:48.620] is going to say to hell with the zone codes, too. [26:48.780 --> 26:49.860] But that's inside information. [26:50.200 --> 26:50.500] Yeah, probably. [26:50.500 --> 26:50.980] You know about it. [26:51.060 --> 26:51.360] Okay, good. [26:52.040 --> 26:52.980] Probably will, sir. [26:52.980 --> 26:53.060] Thank you. [26:53.800 --> 26:56.500] So I think only America is going to be stuck with this. [26:56.860 --> 26:57.640] I live in Europe. [26:57.780 --> 27:00.060] Yeah, but you have all the good DVDs already. [27:00.460 --> 27:00.640] What? [27:00.700 --> 27:00.940] Region 1. [27:02.440 --> 27:04.340] Yes, but on Never Twice the Same Color. [27:04.560 --> 27:21.000] It would be nice to get those DVDs on a more decent presentation, such as a monitor, or even Powell, which is, well, not the greatest, but I would like to see sharp, clear movies on my monitor, because then I can actually read the little details and the credits and other things that you can never see on Never Twice the Same Color. [27:21.920 --> 27:22.560] That's all. [27:23.080 --> 27:23.140] Yeah. [27:28.130 --> 27:29.070] Any more questions? [27:42.640 --> 27:44.480] Could you please repeat the question I didn't hear? [27:50.950 --> 27:52.630] United States is your pending trial? [27:53.490 --> 27:54.190] But I'm... [27:54.190 --> 27:55.830] I'm not pending trial. [27:56.450 --> 27:59.330] In Norway they have decided whether to take it to court or not. [28:01.310 --> 28:04.210] Here in the U.S. I only face charges in California. [28:04.910 --> 28:06.610] So it's safe for me to be here in New York. [28:11.530 --> 28:11.650] Yes? [28:12.210 --> 28:12.570] Yeah. [28:26.740 --> 28:28.920] It was to bring the technology to all platforms. [28:32.690 --> 28:33.050] .org? [28:33.630 --> 28:33.990] .org? [28:43.440 --> 28:45.240] If our code is still on OpenDVD.org? [28:48.620 --> 28:50.320] It was under about a month ago. [28:50.440 --> 28:51.680] I don't know if they've changed it. [28:52.080 --> 28:52.560] It should be there. [28:55.560 --> 28:58.260] Unless, if it isn't there, I'll talk to them and get them to put it up. [29:11.800 --> 29:12.400] Well... [29:15.020 --> 29:15.620] Well... [29:15.620 --> 29:16.000] Well... [29:16.000 --> 29:16.240] Well... [29:22.710 --> 29:23.310] Well... [29:24.590 --> 29:26.850] Yeah, it's pretty serious situation. [29:27.230 --> 29:29.990] If you actually read the DMs, yeah, it's actually quite evil. [29:31.710 --> 29:33.290] It's really a bad law. [29:33.570 --> 29:37.030] And hopefully it will be made unconstitutional. [29:42.180 --> 29:43.540] From Austin Powers. [29:44.100 --> 29:44.840] Excuse me? [29:50.150 --> 29:50.970] From Austin Powers. [29:51.090 --> 29:51.750] I doubt it. [29:55.370 --> 29:56.310] Any more questions? [30:00.570 --> 30:05.790] There's been a lot of new legislation here in the United States in about the last 10 years. [30:06.630 --> 30:08.770] So it is from a very bad business center. [30:09.310 --> 30:11.110] Has there been a lot of new legislation involved? [30:12.850 --> 30:19.790] Well, not in Norway, but the European Union is passing forward a lot of new legislations. [30:19.790 --> 30:22.290] And some of them may have an impact on Norway. [30:23.910 --> 30:26.510] But nothing that bad as the DMCA yet. [30:27.270 --> 30:29.590] So is Europe laughing at us right now? [30:31.930 --> 30:33.650] Well, not really. [30:33.810 --> 30:37.530] Because someday we might find out that we Europeans are in the same position. [30:39.730 --> 30:40.250] Yes? [30:41.250 --> 30:41.770] Yes? [30:44.430 --> 30:52.910] As I understand it, it took less than 24 hours to do this. [30:53.250 --> 30:53.610] Yes? [30:54.070 --> 30:54.830] Is that true? [30:55.170 --> 30:55.830] Yes, that's correct. [31:01.950 --> 31:03.750] Very secure system. [31:05.750 --> 31:08.710] Well, anything software base is not secure. [31:10.610 --> 31:18.210] I can mention that this Norwegian internet guru, he called this encryption... [31:18.750 --> 31:20.030] Okay, what's this? [31:20.330 --> 31:20.950] Mickey Mouse. [31:20.950 --> 31:22.250] Mickey Mouse encryption. [31:25.680 --> 31:28.380] Well, the... [31:29.180 --> 31:31.520] How good encryption is doesn't really matter. [31:31.820 --> 31:35.160] Because it's implemented in the DVD player. [31:35.500 --> 31:39.820] So you just have to reverse engineer it and dump the actual decryption code and the keys. [31:40.320 --> 31:41.000] And there you have it. [31:41.560 --> 31:42.000] What [31:47.320 --> 31:47.820] do you use now? [31:48.140 --> 31:48.780] Yeah, it's C. [31:48.880 --> 31:49.560] Yeah, it's C. [31:50.540 --> 31:50.980] Yes? [31:51.140 --> 31:52.940] Is it a disassembler to get those? [31:53.100 --> 31:53.980] Yeah, disassembler. [31:54.780 --> 31:55.440] Which one? [31:56.540 --> 31:59.220] Well, I don't really know which one he used, but... [31:59.980 --> 32:04.160] I guess he used Ida or VW32. [32:05.200 --> 32:06.380] And then he wrote it. [32:06.680 --> 32:07.060] Yeah. [32:16.500 --> 32:17.620] Well, I guess that's it. [32:17.940 --> 32:18.340] Thank you. [32:26.810 --> 32:27.210] Excuse me? [32:27.650 --> 32:28.810] You just said good job. [32:28.990 --> 32:29.470] Thanks.