[00:01.190 --> 00:03.290]  I'm Zurich from high school.
[00:03.510 --> 00:11.410]  I've been friends for about 15 years or so, and we'll tell you a little bit more about our background together in a couple of minutes.
[00:11.690 --> 00:14.110]  I want to start out by saying, I'm a little bit nervous.
[00:15.390 --> 00:18.030]  Paul and I host a shortwave radio show.
[00:18.370 --> 00:25.210]  It's on WBCQ, 7.415 megahertz, if any of you guys are still into shortwave.
[00:25.850 --> 00:26.770]  I hope so.
[00:27.210 --> 00:28.190]  Yeah, I hope so, too.
[00:28.890 --> 00:29.750]  Pretty nervous.
[00:31.190 --> 00:34.330]  We're told that you should start these kind of things with a joke.
[00:34.610 --> 00:42.110]  So this hacker walks into a bar with a goat on his shoulder and the rest of that.
[00:42.590 --> 00:43.250]  I love that goat!
[00:44.590 --> 00:50.290]  All right, Celine Dion walks into a bar and the bartender says, Hey, why the long face?
[00:50.590 --> 00:51.430]  Is that all right?
[00:52.390 --> 00:52.870]  Okay.
[00:52.870 --> 00:54.330]  I think I need to see pictures dripping.
[00:55.790 --> 00:56.570]  Thank you.
[00:56.970 --> 00:59.530]  Well, thanks for attending our session tonight.
[00:59.730 --> 01:01.010]  It's called Magical Gadgets.
[01:03.450 --> 01:16.450]  Magical Gadgets is a profound impact that yesterday's not-so-trivial electronics have on today's digital world.
[01:17.290 --> 01:28.490]  And to be honest, this entire weekend probably would have escaped our purview had it not been for Bernie S., who a couple of weeks ago told us that H2K2, this time around, existed.
[01:28.790 --> 01:31.510]  And we feel very privileged to be here.
[01:31.650 --> 01:43.670]  We initially felt maybe we didn't fit under this banner with a discussion of vintage electronics what we do on our shortwave radio show and on our website, which, as you can see, is PocketCalculatorShow.com.
[01:44.130 --> 01:47.150]  But if in Bernie's judgment we belong here, we feel good about it.
[01:47.270 --> 01:47.810]  Yeah, Bernie S.
[01:47.890 --> 01:50.270]  is a listener, and he's been with us since the beginning.
[01:50.450 --> 01:54.850]  He's given us plenty of email and feedback, and we're certainly glad he listens.
[01:54.850 --> 02:02.930]  So, our website is called PocketCalculatorShow.com, and that is a compendium of electronics from the 70s and 80s.
[02:03.070 --> 02:05.130]  What we feel is the golden age of electronics.
[02:05.430 --> 02:12.530]  The best constructed, designed electronics of our lifetimes, anyway.
[02:12.850 --> 02:13.910]  Maybe it'll come around again.
[02:15.750 --> 02:19.930]  The shortwave radio show is on WBCQ, the planet.
[02:20.230 --> 02:25.350]  We invite you to check out Al Weiner, who's the operator of the shortwave radio stations.
[02:25.590 --> 02:26.510]  It's kind of the premier station.
[02:26.570 --> 02:32.430]  We're not just saying it because we're on it, but so many shortwave stations here in this country are religious and political.
[02:32.750 --> 02:37.810]  And Al's got a superb diversity of programming on that station.
[02:38.150 --> 02:41.470]  And I think Al's actually doing a talk on Sunday morning.
[02:41.470 --> 02:47.250]  He's going to be talking about shortwave radio and his confidant, Tim Tron.
[02:50.730 --> 02:52.410]  7.415 megahertz.
[02:52.650 --> 02:56.910]  And you find us tomorrow night, 10 o'clock, talking about vintage electronics.
[02:57.190 --> 03:01.050]  We'll actually be doing the show live from our single bedroom.
[03:02.710 --> 03:04.210]  I'm going to sleep on the floor, though.
[03:05.710 --> 03:08.390]  Anyway, so do you have that magical gadget?
[03:08.390 --> 03:13.390]  The one gadget that we feel is the linchpin of all...
[03:13.390 --> 03:14.030]  Anybody guess?
[03:15.950 --> 03:16.930]  You can guess.
[03:17.050 --> 03:17.590]  It's the...
[03:18.530 --> 03:20.150]  It's the pocket calculator.
[03:21.610 --> 03:22.570]  The four bang.
[03:22.710 --> 03:24.370]  The four-function pocket calculator.
[03:24.610 --> 03:28.590]  It's a profoundly shaped electronic way of life.
[03:28.590 --> 03:34.090]  It seems in the 70s the mantra was smaller, powerful, and then cheaper.
[03:34.690 --> 03:35.170]  But...
[03:35.170 --> 03:37.650]  As we see it today, it's...
[03:37.650 --> 03:39.970]  The order of those goals seems to have changed.
[03:40.270 --> 03:42.970]  So our show pocket calculator likes to talk about that.
[03:43.090 --> 03:49.930]  We're not consumed with the fact that this cute, cool stuff existed when we were kids is no longer manufactured.
[03:49.930 --> 03:59.450]  But the mission of our website and the show is to celebrate the excitement and kind of bring together memories of these items and the emotions related to it.
[03:59.810 --> 04:00.930]  Kind of hit some hot buttons.
[04:01.210 --> 04:05.350]  You know, when you pull out the Little Professor or you pull out a Defender game.
[04:06.870 --> 04:08.410]  The Bally Astrocade.
[04:08.550 --> 04:10.650]  We're going to have hundreds of items.
[04:10.930 --> 04:13.210]  The original Pulsar LED watches.
[04:13.630 --> 04:15.690]  All of these items will be at a kiosk.
[04:15.810 --> 04:17.530]  It's on the second floor, the main level.
[04:17.610 --> 04:18.770]  You guys probably know better than I do.
[04:19.170 --> 04:21.410]  So I won't go any further with that.
[04:21.590 --> 04:26.330]  But we draw people to the website now by the thousands.
[04:26.610 --> 04:33.530]  And maybe by virtue of that, our friend Bernie thought we had a purpose here.
[04:33.630 --> 04:36.470]  We were featured on as a Yahoo pic about a week ago.
[04:36.530 --> 04:37.710]  Actually, it was the 3rd of July.
[04:38.150 --> 04:41.350]  And we had about a half a million hits that one day.
[04:41.350 --> 04:46.630]  And I think we, probably in the last two months, we were the most sought website.
[04:46.850 --> 04:50.810]  Yeah, we're definitely finding that we're not alone in this interest.
[04:52.050 --> 04:54.350]  Do you want to tell me about how we came up with the idea?
[04:54.730 --> 04:54.970]  Yeah.
[04:55.850 --> 04:56.810]  The idea for the show?
[04:57.370 --> 04:58.950]  Well, we'll get to that in a second.
[04:59.430 --> 05:07.270]  A little bit of background of how we decided to focus on this one mission on the radio show.
[05:08.430 --> 05:13.350]  Because I don't think you walk into a store anymore and get the same feeling that you did back in the 70s.
[05:14.090 --> 05:18.890]  Of course, it was vicarious for most of that because I'm 31 and so was Paul.
[05:20.050 --> 05:21.430]  And not just gadget freaks.
[05:21.550 --> 05:26.030]  I mean, now you obviously have people lining up for new releases of the game systems and that kind of thing.
[05:27.050 --> 05:29.310]  To us, it's quite overhyped.
[05:30.810 --> 05:33.370]  Mac fans may take exception to that.
[05:33.870 --> 05:35.010]  Are there any Apple fans here?
[05:36.510 --> 05:37.030]  Okay.
[05:37.090 --> 05:39.150]  Pocket calculators, digital watches seem to...
[05:39.150 --> 05:39.630]  What's that?
[05:39.750 --> 05:40.010]  Apple?
[05:40.450 --> 05:40.470]  Yes.
[05:41.190 --> 05:42.530]  Okay, go back to that.
[05:42.650 --> 05:43.110]  That's fine.
[05:44.210 --> 05:45.630]  Take the wrong water here.
[05:46.150 --> 05:49.390]  I hear the new FBI guys tainted this.
[05:53.070 --> 05:53.830]  It's clear.
[05:54.130 --> 05:55.170]  It looks like mine.
[05:57.810 --> 06:01.950]  Well, appreciate the feedback because this helps us get our act together here.
[06:02.070 --> 06:03.510]  Because we pulled in about 615.
[06:03.990 --> 06:04.850]  I'm from Maine.
[06:04.970 --> 06:06.510]  I live in the Bar Harbor area of Maine.
[06:06.670 --> 06:11.270]  And that's where my end of the show originates for our shortwave station.
[06:11.550 --> 06:12.830]  Paul's from the Bridgeport area.
[06:13.110 --> 06:16.990]  And he navigated us down here in plenty of time.
[06:17.170 --> 06:18.070]  Just kidding, man.
[06:19.250 --> 06:26.430]  So, it's not just as simple as these electronics we take for granted because they're all around us.
[06:26.570 --> 06:31.670]  We're in this age where every development is built upon the previous one.
[06:32.070 --> 06:34.710]  I think it's more of an emotional attachment.
[06:35.550 --> 06:46.150]  I remember in the mid-'70s, my grandparents, my grandfather, a blue-collar worker for Stanley Works in Connecticut, he bought his first electronic calculator.
[06:46.150 --> 06:48.470]  Probably 1974 or something like that.
[06:48.510 --> 06:49.650]  At that point, he was retired.
[06:50.030 --> 06:52.270]  And he was just selling at a farmer's market.
[06:52.490 --> 06:57.870]  And he was caught up in that way to own one of these handheld calculators.
[06:58.450 --> 07:00.350]  And he was in line with engineers.
[07:00.550 --> 07:02.950]  He was in line with a Pratt & Whitney engineer.
[07:03.090 --> 07:04.350]  Paul thinks this is revisionist history.
[07:04.430 --> 07:06.750]  But this is as my grandmother told it to me last month.
[07:07.090 --> 07:08.150]  So, I think it's accurate.
[07:08.150 --> 07:14.230]  Anyway, I don't think my grandfather, if you were around today, would be in line for one of those Microsoft Xboxes.
[07:14.670 --> 07:15.390]  Oh, come on.
[07:15.590 --> 07:21.010]  Well, Microsoft has certainly contributed to our evolution technologically.
[07:21.010 --> 07:23.830]  And it provides some really good things for us.
[07:23.830 --> 07:24.250]  All right.
[07:24.350 --> 07:25.390]  Yes, it's very stable.
[07:25.510 --> 07:27.510]  We all know what Microsoft platforms are.
[07:27.570 --> 07:28.590]  Oh, jeez!
[07:29.150 --> 07:30.490]  The blue screen.
[07:31.030 --> 07:31.390]  Yes.
[07:32.530 --> 07:32.970]  Okay.
[07:34.670 --> 07:52.350]  Anyway, by the time Paul and I had recounted our memories of getting these gadgets, trying to keep up with our rich neighbors in Central Connecticut, who had all the first on the block to have all the new video game systems and handheld games and all these items that we hold near and dear,
[07:52.550 --> 07:55.110]  we figured an online tribute is in order.
[07:55.230 --> 07:55.730]  So, that's it.
[07:55.850 --> 07:58.970]  We got to work on probably about a year or so ago.
[07:58.970 --> 08:06.350]  I have a personal collection of LCD watches, and I'll talk about what an LCD watch is, in case you're not familiar with it.
[08:06.750 --> 08:13.950]  But, of course, the LCD technology, and laptops, and in our elevators here, and fish finders, and applications everywhere.
[08:14.050 --> 08:14.750]  You know what that is.
[08:14.870 --> 08:29.630]  But, because I'm from the LCD generation, just at the tail end of the LED generation, I collected about 2,000 LCD watches, and we'll have a number of those multi-function gems in our kiosk.
[08:30.790 --> 08:39.970]  I'd like to get it set up tonight, but because we pulled in late, and we're in a garage about three blocks away, I don't know that we'll have our setup done tonight.
[08:40.170 --> 08:46.590]  But, tomorrow, first thing, we'll have all these cool gadgets on display for you to touch, if you care.
[08:46.830 --> 08:48.870]  But you're here, so I believe you do.
[08:49.470 --> 08:50.650]  Thank you for that reinforcement.
[08:50.950 --> 08:52.710]  I've got a nod over there, so it feels good.
[08:53.810 --> 08:56.770]  That's the second floor by the networking room.
[08:56.990 --> 08:57.210]  Oh.
[08:57.810 --> 08:58.210]  Mezzanine.
[09:00.070 --> 09:02.150]  So, we found we weren't alone in our sentiments.
[09:02.670 --> 09:04.670]  Like I said, all the hits to the website.
[09:05.230 --> 09:12.450]  Probably get 30 or 40 emails for our shortwave radio show, which, again, is on WBCQ, the planet, 7.415 megahertz.
[09:12.450 --> 09:14.670]  And if I sound like a disc jockey, it's because I am.
[09:14.850 --> 09:19.430]  My full-time job, I work for a Clear Channel radio in Maine.
[09:19.650 --> 09:19.850]  Hey!
[09:20.350 --> 09:20.750]  Let's go!
[09:21.510 --> 09:23.330]  Come on, let's have the vegetables here.
[09:23.810 --> 09:24.130]  Okay.
[09:25.090 --> 09:26.390]  Clear Channel radio stations.
[09:27.270 --> 09:30.390]  I probably do the task of three or four employees.
[09:30.810 --> 09:32.110]  I get out about...
[09:32.110 --> 09:33.730]  I'm on a salary basis.
[09:33.730 --> 09:35.130]  I get out at 8 o'clock at night.
[09:35.330 --> 09:39.250]  And two weeks ago, I thought I'd have plenty of time when we were invited to this to put some stuff together.
[09:39.790 --> 09:44.010]  And I hope you don't feel short-changing because we're not as organized as we'd like to be.
[09:44.210 --> 09:47.250]  But feel free to yell out any questions that we have.
[09:48.290 --> 09:51.870]  I like to thank Paul's The Walking Encyclopedia of Handheld Games.
[09:52.090 --> 09:55.690]  And the same for digital watches for me and calculators and that kind of thing.
[09:55.890 --> 10:05.610]  We have some books that we'd like to pass around, too, that feature these items and approximate values, collectability, that sort of thing.
[10:05.850 --> 10:06.890]  They've come into their own.
[10:06.890 --> 10:17.510]  I mean, these things, if you hit eBay or you hit any of the Manhattan flea markets, the parking lot markets, you see people trying to get $20, $30 for these things.
[10:17.570 --> 10:19.170]  But, you know, a few years ago, they would have been at $0.50.
[10:21.590 --> 10:24.410]  So, yeah, feel free to take a look at those.
[10:24.510 --> 10:38.450]  And if you happen to have a question, you own a vintage electronic item, we'll just treat people up to the microphone and ask away if you had a watch that you think you can't have repaired.
[10:38.710 --> 10:39.810]  I may have news for you.
[10:39.970 --> 10:43.930]  I'm probably one of the few people that repair LCD watches.
[10:44.410 --> 10:45.370]  I'll take it for you.
[10:45.650 --> 10:46.070]  You do?
[10:46.310 --> 10:47.070]  I think it's different.
[10:47.290 --> 10:47.570]  Oh, yeah.
[10:48.690 --> 10:48.950]  Yeah.
[10:52.960 --> 10:53.360]  They're...
[10:53.360 --> 10:55.040]  This guy needs a wireless mic.
[10:55.200 --> 10:55.660]  Wanna hook him up?
[10:57.580 --> 10:58.160]  All right.
[10:58.800 --> 11:03.780]  Well, none of this stuff would have been possible without the building block called the integrated circuit.
[11:03.780 --> 11:12.360]  And as we see this overdue appreciation for these items like boom boxes and Walkmans and those pocket TVs.
[11:13.620 --> 11:15.800]  We've seen websites devoted to all sorts of stuff.
[11:15.900 --> 11:19.100]  Of course, the Pulsar watches and the pocket calculators.
[11:19.680 --> 11:20.240]  It...
[11:20.240 --> 11:22.360]  I think it's about time.
[11:22.600 --> 11:29.020]  We don't see any references to what a genius Jack Kilby is.
[11:29.020 --> 11:30.320]  He worked for Texas Instruments.
[11:30.360 --> 11:32.040]  Anybody know who Jack Kilby is?
[11:32.500 --> 11:33.200]  All right.
[11:34.080 --> 11:34.520]  Great.
[11:35.220 --> 11:37.660]  1958, Jack Kilby co-developed.
[11:37.700 --> 11:42.600]  He deserves most of the credit because it was his design that ended up being put into production just a few years later.
[11:42.720 --> 11:45.400]  Jack Kilby, he was on his day off.
[11:45.540 --> 11:58.200]  It was a summer in 1958 and he walked into Texas Instruments and he put together this half of a paperclip-sized chip that contains all the transistors and capacities and resistors.
[11:59.280 --> 12:01.780]  Now, does everybody know what an integrated circuit is?
[12:01.780 --> 12:03.520]  Does anybody want to...
[12:03.520 --> 12:05.780]  Does anybody want to...
[12:05.780 --> 12:06.280]  No.
[12:06.540 --> 12:08.000]  Well, let me tell you.
[12:08.060 --> 12:10.540]  There's a free T-shirt in it for anybody who wants to...
[12:10.540 --> 12:10.880]  Oh, yeah.
[12:10.900 --> 12:11.480]  We've got...
[12:11.480 --> 12:13.400]  This is all about self-promotion for us.
[12:13.400 --> 12:15.060]  We've got T-shirts.
[12:15.280 --> 12:16.780]  WBCQ shortwave T-shirts.
[12:17.900 --> 12:18.360]  Okay.
[12:18.520 --> 12:19.120]  Give me a...
[12:19.120 --> 12:20.080]  Come up to the microphone.
[12:20.220 --> 12:22.300]  Give me your explanation of an integrated circuit.
[12:24.960 --> 12:26.040]  Turn that on.
[12:30.760 --> 12:38.350]  You know, 724, you could probably still catch some of the September 11th discussion if you're not...
[12:38.820 --> 12:41.500]  Mark Anthony's playing at Madison Square Garden too with you.
[12:41.500 --> 12:41.520]  So...
[12:41.520 --> 12:41.860]  Yay!
[12:43.960 --> 12:44.400]  Okay.
[12:44.860 --> 12:45.220]  That's fine.
[12:45.440 --> 12:46.060]  Well, come on over.
[12:46.240 --> 12:46.600]  Just tell us.
[12:48.320 --> 12:48.760]  Basically...
[12:49.860 --> 12:57.080]  Basically putting a lot of parts in a very small form in a particularly small space to get a lot of function in a small package.
[12:57.280 --> 12:59.620]  Multiple parts on a single substrate generally.
[13:01.060 --> 13:02.040]  Substrate made of...
[13:02.040 --> 13:02.120]  Yep.
[13:02.480 --> 13:03.160]  Composition is...
[13:03.160 --> 13:04.940]  Usually silicon, but I've also...
[13:04.940 --> 13:08.020]  There have been other things used to gallium arsenide and used among other things.
[13:08.120 --> 13:11.760]  The original stuff is like the individual parts glued to a plate, basically.
[13:12.080 --> 13:12.720]  It's your own stuff.
[13:13.260 --> 13:18.940]  Later on, you're actually part made by actually etching and adding pieces to the silicon layer as it was odd.
[13:19.080 --> 13:20.800]  Meaning you're like dope layers and so on.
[13:21.300 --> 13:21.720]  To get...
[13:21.720 --> 13:24.260]  To actually make the actual substrate be the parts.
[13:24.900 --> 13:26.840]  So you have a flat thing with almost nothing on it.
[13:27.000 --> 13:27.900]  Because it's actually hard.
[13:28.080 --> 13:28.360]  Okay.
[13:28.360 --> 13:29.320]  You got a bonus question.
[13:29.780 --> 13:31.340]  What's a CMOS chip?
[13:32.140 --> 13:35.500]  It's about a complementary metal oxide semiconductor tire and peasants.
[13:36.060 --> 13:38.320]  And you only get one t-shirt, so you don't have to...
[13:38.320 --> 13:38.780]  Okay.
[13:39.260 --> 13:40.220]  Well, you know this guy...
[13:40.220 --> 13:40.640]  There you go.
[13:40.780 --> 13:41.380]  I'm a techie.
[13:41.580 --> 13:42.440]  He's a techie.
[13:42.520 --> 13:42.720]  Alright.
[13:43.300 --> 13:43.900]  Let's go.
[13:45.640 --> 13:46.080]  Okay.
[13:46.400 --> 13:46.940]  So we've got...
[13:46.940 --> 13:47.840]  We've got Jack Kilby.
[13:47.880 --> 13:52.040]  So Jack Kilby invented the digital age with the components he was talking about.
[13:52.100 --> 13:52.720]  The integrated circuit.
[13:52.900 --> 13:54.080]  He certainly started it.
[13:54.080 --> 14:00.320]  But I read reports that to this day, Jack Kilby admits that he's computer illiterate.
[14:01.300 --> 14:02.840]  And he had one regret.
[14:03.120 --> 14:05.240]  He had one regret of the integrated circuit.
[14:05.420 --> 14:10.000]  Those electronic reading cards which came in vogue about five or six years ago.
[14:10.140 --> 14:15.420]  These things you open up and they give you a message or they play a musical greeting or whatever.
[14:15.420 --> 14:18.780]  He wouldn't have invented the IC had he known for that one product.
[14:18.960 --> 14:19.040]  No.
[14:19.200 --> 14:20.000]  That's obviously not true.
[14:20.140 --> 14:23.140]  He had no idea the direction that thing was going to take.
[14:23.560 --> 14:27.600]  The transistor when that was invented in 1947 I believe.
[14:27.880 --> 14:33.140]  It took about 15 years for its implementation and stuff you see all over your household.
[14:33.540 --> 14:36.120]  Obviously transistor radios and other items.
[14:36.120 --> 14:41.360]  And this only took about seven years for the integrated circuit to be implemented in such a wide form.
[14:42.280 --> 14:44.780]  And he had no idea what happened.
[14:45.040 --> 14:49.360]  He was recognized with the Nobel Prize for Physics a couple of years ago.
[14:49.460 --> 14:51.120]  He shares that with a couple of other guys.
[14:51.120 --> 14:55.840]  And he remarked that if I had known that...
[14:55.840 --> 14:57.320]  I can't remember it verbatim.
[14:58.300 --> 15:02.260]  Had I printed it out from the website, I wouldn't have been able to tell you.
[15:02.340 --> 15:05.420]  But something along the lines, it's a one trillion dollar industry.
[15:05.580 --> 15:10.040]  Or at least it was the end product industry of the integrated circuit items.
[15:10.720 --> 15:12.700]  Almost the one trillion dollars a couple of years back.
[15:12.840 --> 15:13.980]  I'm sure we exceed that.
[15:14.400 --> 15:18.120]  Now had he known, he would have maybe jumped on it a little bit earlier.
[15:18.120 --> 15:22.680]  He put more effort than just going in on his day off during the summer of 1958.
[15:23.260 --> 15:25.260]  When he joined the Texas Instruments.
[15:26.880 --> 15:29.400]  I think it's probably time to...
[15:29.400 --> 15:30.540]  I think somebody had a question there.
[15:38.180 --> 15:39.120]  About a year?
[15:40.180 --> 15:41.920]  1969, it was at the...
[15:42.620 --> 15:47.680]  Okay, he asked the development of the microprocessor integrated chip.
[15:47.920 --> 15:51.820]  Integrated circuits are microprocessors and amplifiers and memory.
[15:51.820 --> 15:55.740]  Right, all microprocessors we would classify as an IC.
[15:56.000 --> 15:57.980]  Not necessarily all ICs are microprocessors.
[15:58.280 --> 16:05.220]  We can classify memory and timing, timer chips and that sort of thing as ICs.
[16:05.460 --> 16:05.720]  Yes.
[16:06.300 --> 16:07.440]  Well, I've got to get to his...
[16:07.440 --> 16:09.140]  Intel 4496.
[16:09.160 --> 16:09.440]  Okay.
[16:10.100 --> 16:11.060]  1969 is...
[16:11.060 --> 16:11.360]  Good job.
[16:11.480 --> 16:12.140]  I'm going to teach you in here.
[16:12.940 --> 16:14.960]  We've got a couple more here, so...
[16:14.960 --> 16:16.200]  Would you be happy to...
[16:16.200 --> 16:16.960]  Want to pass around...
[16:17.420 --> 16:20.800]  Well, anybody know the second microprocessor that was released?
[16:20.800 --> 16:23.080]  Before we jump ahead, I want to finish your answer.
[16:23.220 --> 16:23.920]  It's 1969.
[16:24.260 --> 16:25.780]  There's an Intel engineer.
[16:25.900 --> 16:31.080]  His name is Ted Hoff, Jr. And he was assigned to a project for Visicom.
[16:31.240 --> 16:33.920]  It was a company that wanted to market the first compact.
[16:34.260 --> 16:39.340]  Not exactly a pocket calculator, but certainly by the standards of that day, it was a pocket calculator.
[16:40.900 --> 16:49.000]  An IC is a dedicated computer, but it's only designed to serve one purpose.
[16:49.300 --> 16:55.760]  So if you stamp out ICs, you better know you're going to have a million items that are going to be using that to make it worthwhile.
[16:56.320 --> 17:00.840]  This guy took an innovative approach, and let's see.
[17:01.280 --> 17:05.100]  He thought that Visicom's design was too complicated and cumbersome to be cost effective.
[17:05.300 --> 17:07.060]  So he came up with an alternative.
[17:07.730 --> 17:15.640]  Instead of making the device act like a calculator, an integrated circuit, he thought it created the microprocessor with the programming abilities.
[17:15.900 --> 17:20.160]  And that product first hit, so the implementation was late 1970.
[17:20.770 --> 17:24.180]  And this is the kind of stuff we really like to talk about on our show.
[17:24.580 --> 17:31.540]  I bought the Visicom calculator from a flea market in Grand Falls, New Brunswick.
[17:31.660 --> 17:32.420]  New Brunswick, Canada, right.
[17:32.560 --> 17:36.860]  Paul and I travel all over the place to pick up these vintage electronics all over the country.
[17:37.040 --> 17:40.320]  Paul is in Miami now, too long back, in Las Vegas.
[17:41.780 --> 17:48.960]  It's real tough now to hit tag sales in flea markets and find this stuff at the prices you used to enjoy when you went to these.
[17:48.960 --> 17:56.010]  But there are obviously not everybody's an eBay-aholic and is aware of the relative value.
[17:56.900 --> 17:59.240]  Obviously, there's no intrinsic value of this crap.
[17:59.440 --> 18:01.440]  It's just plastic and silicon.
[18:02.300 --> 18:04.380]  But it's so magical what it does.
[18:04.540 --> 18:05.820]  That's why we call this magical gadget.
[18:05.980 --> 18:06.460]  Yes, sir.
[18:27.360 --> 18:31.060]  I can verify that.
[18:31.160 --> 18:33.620]  We did want to discuss the military applications.
[18:34.980 --> 18:36.800]  But there's so much we still don't know.
[18:37.200 --> 18:38.360]  It's also shrouded in mysteries.
[18:38.820 --> 18:43.760]  So rather than accept it at face value, I thought we'd just go at it from the consumer angle.
[18:43.860 --> 18:45.660]  No, that's a very valuable...
[18:45.660 --> 18:46.840]  Thank you for...
[18:46.840 --> 18:47.820]  Thank you for...
[18:47.820 --> 18:48.220]  That is...
[18:48.220 --> 18:50.460]  That was something that would be remiss without hearing.
[18:51.000 --> 18:52.440]  I do appreciate that.
[18:54.960 --> 18:57.600]  1970's where we'll pick up with that 4004 chip.
[18:58.560 --> 19:03.720]  And that was the chip used in that Visicom calculator that we picked up at a flea market.
[19:03.980 --> 19:05.500]  It wasn't actually a flea market.
[19:05.660 --> 19:07.820]  It was a perpetual tag sale.
[19:08.060 --> 19:08.180]  Right.
[19:09.580 --> 19:14.920]  And this lady who we remember because she was walking around in her house coat all...
[19:14.920 --> 19:23.760]  We went to this place two or three times because of all kinds of Atari and television, all these vintage video game systems buried in the garage.
[19:24.080 --> 19:25.940]  We saw her at different times of the day.
[19:26.100 --> 19:28.320]  She was always in her house coat and her sleeping mask.
[19:28.920 --> 19:32.700]  And that's just how they do things up in New Brunswick.
[19:32.820 --> 19:37.320]  Fortunately, I'm a little bit south of there, so I'm not wearing my house coat tonight.
[19:38.380 --> 19:39.960]  This calculator was the Visicom.
[19:40.970 --> 19:43.220]  First that used that 4004 chip.
[19:43.710 --> 19:45.660]  TI, Texas Instruments.
[19:45.940 --> 19:48.660]  So where do they fall with their calculator?
[19:48.800 --> 19:52.360]  Their first is the one you see right there, the data math, the TI2500.
[19:52.760 --> 19:57.200]  That used a chip that they developed and subsequently became the probably...
[19:57.620 --> 20:01.260]  Yeah, it was the most widely used chip in the 1970's.
[20:01.400 --> 20:02.880]  I think 200 million of them sold.
[20:02.980 --> 20:06.640]  At only $2 a piece, they broke the price barrier on that thing.
[20:06.640 --> 20:10.200]  And that calculator was released in early 1972.
[20:11.680 --> 20:15.240]  And we sold those on eBay for $30 or $40.
[20:15.720 --> 20:21.720]  If tapered off a bit, if somebody's got the pocket calculator book, it probably lists that a little bit more.
[20:22.760 --> 20:25.100]  I'm not asking you to look that up right now.
[20:25.340 --> 20:26.020]  I'm sorry.
[20:26.020 --> 20:27.320]  You keep erusing that.
[20:27.440 --> 20:29.220]  So what chip did the data calculator use?
[20:29.220 --> 20:31.400]  That uses the TMS1000.
[20:31.520 --> 20:36.760]  That's the chip that sold so widely and it was used in handheld games.
[20:37.820 --> 20:39.220]  A little professor calculator.
[20:39.860 --> 20:40.460]  You got one of those?
[20:40.460 --> 20:41.600]  I don't have it with me.
[20:41.600 --> 20:42.180]  I don't have it with me.
[20:42.760 --> 20:44.000]  I can pass that around too.
[20:45.060 --> 20:47.580]  It was used in microwave ovens.
[20:48.400 --> 20:52.020]  I know I had it written down here, some other applications for that chip.
[20:52.020 --> 21:05.800]  Well, a few months after Visicom approached Intel for that design for that 4004 chip, they got another request for a chip that could handle a little more.
[21:05.900 --> 21:11.080]  The 4004 is a 4-bit microprocessor and could handle a mere 1,280 nibbles.
[21:12.640 --> 21:15.100]  And another development was in order.
[21:15.220 --> 21:17.740]  And then the race, of course, was on for these microprocessors.
[21:18.160 --> 21:20.860]  Intel came up with the 8008, the 8-bit.
[21:21.020 --> 21:24.340]  Hal Feeney and Ted Hoff and a couple other guys got together.
[21:25.100 --> 21:36.320]  Packed on this 8008 chip was 3,300 transistors, about 2,000 more than it was on the 4004 chip executing.
[21:36.600 --> 21:38.640]  A whopping 30,000 operations.
[21:39.460 --> 21:42.820]  And this chip powered the first terminal.
[21:43.200 --> 21:45.120]  I don't know how many of you guys, I always like to put in these terms.
[21:46.580 --> 21:56.120]  If you went into a larger department store that had the dedicated terminals, computer terminals with a limited amount of processing capability.
[21:57.500 --> 21:59.760]  That was the chip that was in a lot of those early ones.
[22:00.740 --> 22:03.060]  Service merchandise is a store that comes to mind.
[22:09.160 --> 22:10.760]  There were some wangs.
[22:13.000 --> 22:14.980]  I'm sorry, I can't answer that.
[22:16.260 --> 22:18.620]  I don't have that in my notes here.
[22:18.720 --> 22:22.920]  However, if we had arrived before 615, I could have done a little more preparation.
[22:22.920 --> 22:32.940]  Anyway, Texas Instruments, probably the first company to really hit the public interest with the pocket calculator.
[22:33.120 --> 22:39.920]  People gathering around the stores, trying to hold this one item, this one marvel in their hands.
[22:40.060 --> 22:41.620]  You just don't see that anymore.
[22:41.780 --> 22:44.660]  You've got new releases of Palm Pilots and video game systems.
[22:45.420 --> 22:46.140]  Who's excited?
[22:46.300 --> 22:48.160]  Who feels that same funky feeling?
[22:48.360 --> 22:49.650]  You know, when you...
[22:53.820 --> 22:55.540]  Yeah, I agree with that.
[22:56.660 --> 22:58.720]  But those are more or less the gadget freaks, right?
[22:58.960 --> 22:59.300]  I mean...
[22:59.300 --> 23:01.980]  Some of the other people are going to go in real bed and decide.
[23:02.220 --> 23:02.460]  No,
[23:13.160 --> 23:14.660]  I'm not necessarily technology junkies.
[23:14.760 --> 23:18.880]  But I think if you're a game junkie, you probably need to get a life.
[23:19.020 --> 23:19.520]  No, I'm just kidding.
[23:28.240 --> 23:30.440]  I am the quintessential nerd.
[23:30.680 --> 23:36.480]  I mean, if somebody has 2,000 digital watches, you know, I need to get a Nike to get a life.
[23:36.820 --> 23:38.080]  Sure, right on, huh?
[23:39.700 --> 23:44.700]  Unfortunately, I've gotten so caught up in this, I paid $200, $300 for some of the watches you're going to see.
[23:45.280 --> 23:47.720]  Just to have in the collection, Casiotron...
[23:48.240 --> 23:52.060]  I'm going to put a picture of some Casio watches on the display here.
[23:53.300 --> 23:59.120]  Casiotron, in 1976, introduced a watch that always eluded me.
[23:59.280 --> 24:03.060]  And I saw it on eBay, and I paid an astronomical amount for it.
[24:03.260 --> 24:10.520]  So, the LCD watch collection, unfortunately, is approaching the price of your traditional mechanical watch collection.
[24:11.080 --> 24:14.400]  It didn't start out that way, and that's why I started collecting them as a kid.
[24:14.400 --> 24:17.420]  13, 14 years old, 1980 buying the cheapo.
[24:17.520 --> 24:22.700]  I remember when LCD and LED watches were sold initially, the prices were just astronomical.
[24:23.260 --> 24:31.420]  We were expected to pay $250, $300 back in, you know, 1974, 1975 for a watch that really didn't do anything except for...
[24:31.420 --> 24:34.080]  How's that TMS1000 chip holding up for you there?
[24:34.160 --> 24:34.940]  I didn't get his first name.
[24:35.040 --> 24:36.640]  This guy's probably been around a few sessions.
[24:36.740 --> 24:37.320]  You all know him, right?
[24:37.320 --> 24:37.820]  Well, it's working.
[24:38.660 --> 24:40.280]  Our friend, Bernie, yes.
[24:42.000 --> 24:45.020]  I was just a similar member taking that very proud of the model.
[24:47.380 --> 24:48.360]  When did that come out?
[24:48.560 --> 24:49.500]  Uh, 72.
[24:49.700 --> 24:50.980]  And I think I know where you're going with this.
[24:51.240 --> 24:52.000]  A true hacker.
[24:52.040 --> 25:01.680]  I go to this school, and I experienced a crowd of no less than 50 college students crowding around and admiring this remarkable technology.
[25:02.220 --> 25:03.340]  It was unheard of.
[25:03.840 --> 25:05.300]  It's a long division.
[25:05.560 --> 25:06.100]  It's consecutive.
[25:07.060 --> 25:07.640]  A huge number.
[25:07.980 --> 25:09.880]  Oh, we were coming off of the slab rules.
[25:10.100 --> 25:10.600]  I mean, yeah.
[25:10.960 --> 25:12.960]  Obviously, you did a double take.
[25:13.240 --> 25:18.040]  You know, I can't think of the consumer, like, on the part of today, to create that much of such...
[25:18.920 --> 25:19.320]  Right.
[25:19.680 --> 25:25.840]  I don't know whether we're just desensitized by so much technology coming at it, or whether it's just not about the innovation or so much, but...
[25:25.840 --> 25:27.040]  Well, the innovation...
[25:27.540 --> 25:28.440]  We're going to...
[25:28.440 --> 25:31.540]  Probably, in the conclusion, we'll get to here in a couple of minutes.
[25:32.680 --> 25:34.900]  Innovation is lackluster, we feel.
[25:35.160 --> 25:40.760]  It's devoted and channeled in just a couple of areas we'll talk about in a few minutes.
[25:41.380 --> 25:47.600]  There's a much larger group of companies that were trying to develop competing products at the time.
[25:48.640 --> 25:49.940]  As far as...
[25:49.940 --> 25:51.580]  Yeah, magical gadget type thing.
[25:52.020 --> 25:53.840]  Sinclair sold a calculator kit.
[25:53.840 --> 25:55.460]  Sinclair sold a calculator kit.
[25:55.660 --> 25:58.460]  They will have samples of the...
[25:58.460 --> 26:00.120]  They had a calculator watch kit.
[26:00.300 --> 26:01.360]  It didn't even tell the time.
[26:01.480 --> 26:03.000]  It was just a wrist calculator.
[26:05.080 --> 26:05.940]  I'm trying to think.
[26:06.260 --> 26:08.100]  Sinclair had some neat wrist radios.
[26:08.540 --> 26:09.020]  Some other other...
[26:09.020 --> 26:09.340]  Well, yeah.
[26:09.420 --> 26:10.460]  Sinclair was big on kits.
[26:10.900 --> 26:13.280]  They had a lot of computer kits also.
[26:14.960 --> 26:19.340]  Sinclair computers had the Xilog Z80 processor.
[26:19.720 --> 26:20.080]  Yeah.
[26:21.480 --> 26:24.520]  And they were sold in kit form too for 150, 200 bucks.
[26:24.840 --> 26:27.080]  And I don't remember how well they sold.
[26:27.200 --> 26:27.400]  I don't know.
[26:27.520 --> 26:29.340]  They probably sold a lot better in the UK than here.
[26:32.400 --> 26:33.440]  Oh, you still get one?
[26:33.720 --> 26:33.980]  Yeah.
[26:34.140 --> 26:34.820]  New old stock.
[26:35.300 --> 26:36.980]  Oh, we love that term, new old stock.
[26:42.380 --> 26:43.180]  Oh, cool.
[26:43.920 --> 26:45.160]  We'll look forward to seeing that.
[26:45.340 --> 26:45.700]  Take a look at that.
[26:46.620 --> 26:47.340]  Got in late.
[26:47.600 --> 26:49.640]  So anyone ever hack a calculator?
[26:50.900 --> 26:52.000]  I want to hear your story.
[26:58.770 --> 27:00.130]  We have a TI-552.
[27:00.270 --> 27:01.870]  Was it the LCD one or the LED?
[27:01.970 --> 27:02.290]  The LED.
[27:02.670 --> 27:02.950]  Okay.
[27:04.070 --> 27:08.650]  In the 70s, there were a whole bunch of people that did a calculator hack.
[27:08.910 --> 27:09.810]  There was a...
[27:09.810 --> 27:11.450]  It was like the most helpful tools were a calculator hack.
[27:11.670 --> 27:18.730]  And the hack I did was I transformed my TI-55, which I didn't want any of them.
[27:18.970 --> 27:21.050]  I had a really much tool of hack or hack.
[27:21.790 --> 27:25.270]  And HP-34, and HP-31.
[27:25.590 --> 27:28.610]  But anyway, it had a...
[27:28.610 --> 27:33.150]  You need to enter, like, five on one end or one plus.
[27:33.290 --> 27:36.210]  And every time you have to enter the plus, it would be adding one to it.
[27:36.390 --> 27:44.290]  So I wired up a wire to that switch contact with the plus button.
[27:44.510 --> 27:54.410]  And ran into a little re-switch to my bicycle source, where I had a little magnet in the bicycle source for every one revolution of the bike.
[27:54.570 --> 27:55.190]  That's it.
[27:55.650 --> 27:59.350]  And I figured out whatever, I calibrated the thing.
[27:59.710 --> 28:01.450]  So it became a speedometer.
[28:01.810 --> 28:05.850]  An electronic speedometer, which in 1979, I mean, 80, was amazing.
[28:06.030 --> 28:06.550]  You couldn't buy them.
[28:07.110 --> 28:15.100]  So I had an electronic speedometer.
[28:15.520 --> 28:17.400]  Was that a 20-inch bug or 26-inch?
[28:17.600 --> 28:18.860]  Uh, 26-inch.
[28:18.920 --> 28:20.860]  It's more difficult, I think, with the 26-inch.
[28:20.900 --> 28:23.300]  It wasn't easy, but once I got the number right, it was great.
[28:23.520 --> 28:24.260]  Until it rained.
[28:26.220 --> 28:27.360]  Well, that's one thing.
[28:27.360 --> 28:33.320]  I mean, these things are so magical to us, but they're, of course, very susceptible to static moisture and so on.
[28:33.320 --> 28:37.120]  Well, with LEDs, I mean, you probably had to ride it at night to test it, right?
[28:37.320 --> 28:37.980]  Or it does.
[28:38.380 --> 28:39.040]  That's right.
[28:39.180 --> 28:40.060]  It worked well in the sun.
[28:40.300 --> 28:41.500]  It did memory of the booze.
[28:42.080 --> 28:46.480]  Well, again, as disc jockeys, I'm a disc jockey full-time.
[28:46.480 --> 28:48.700]  Paul at least has a little more credible...
[28:49.160 --> 28:49.560]  O'Donnell.
[28:49.800 --> 28:50.000]  That's good.
[28:50.320 --> 28:50.580]  Okay.
[28:51.760 --> 28:54.700]  A little, yeah, a little more credible profession.
[28:54.860 --> 28:56.020]  Paul works for General Electric.
[28:56.160 --> 28:57.200]  Any booze for GE?
[28:57.860 --> 28:57.960]  Hmm?
[28:58.380 --> 28:59.760]  No, just clear channel, I guess.
[29:00.060 --> 29:00.200]  Okay.
[29:00.440 --> 29:01.620]  Well, that's not misguided.
[29:03.160 --> 29:05.800]  Anyway, I wanted to check out that calculator for one second.
[29:05.920 --> 29:06.880]  Can you bring that up here?
[29:07.120 --> 29:07.820]  I want you to...
[29:07.820 --> 29:11.300]  This is the kind of fun we like to have on our radio show.
[29:11.760 --> 29:11.960]  I know.
[29:12.260 --> 29:15.960]  We're not the most elite and cerebral guys that you've seen tonight.
[29:16.340 --> 29:19.620]  But maybe you remember this from about 1977.
[29:20.260 --> 29:23.260]  When Dolly Parton had the hit record two doors down.
[29:24.200 --> 29:26.320]  Dolly Parton went to the doctor.
[29:26.700 --> 29:28.300]  She wears a size 69 bra.
[29:28.560 --> 29:28.820]  The doctor...
[29:28.820 --> 29:29.980]  This is non-PC.
[29:30.120 --> 29:32.100]  The doctor said it was too, too, too big.
[29:32.260 --> 29:34.280]  So he gave her 54 reducing pills.
[29:34.500 --> 29:36.380]  Told her to take it eight times a day.
[29:37.120 --> 29:38.380]  And I left her boobless.
[29:39.480 --> 29:40.700]  B-O-O-B upside down.
[29:40.980 --> 29:41.500]  Is that it?
[29:42.240 --> 29:43.060]  Is that hacking?
[29:43.800 --> 29:44.460]  It's hacking.
[29:48.660 --> 29:49.280]  Thank you.
[29:51.580 --> 29:52.320]  Yeah, I know.
[29:52.420 --> 29:53.540]  There's plenty of books.
[29:53.840 --> 29:55.760]  One of our favorite periodicals.
[29:55.960 --> 29:56.700]  Popular Science.
[29:57.520 --> 29:58.380]  Popular Electronics, too.
[29:58.920 --> 30:00.120]  I have the calculator page.
[30:00.320 --> 30:02.100]  The games with calculators and that kind of stuff.
[30:02.100 --> 30:02.560]  I have to say.
[30:02.800 --> 30:03.460]  I have a trick on it.
[30:05.500 --> 30:08.960]  At one point, if you don't have one...
[30:15.700 --> 30:16.000]  Right.
[30:16.600 --> 30:16.820]  Yeah.
[30:16.980 --> 30:18.680]  That was supposed to be a water passers.
[30:18.840 --> 30:19.160]  Yeah.
[30:19.460 --> 30:21.600]  And who pioneered the constant?
[30:22.300 --> 30:23.620]  I believe it was Casio.
[30:23.840 --> 30:28.160]  They had at least the easiest to use the constant feature.
[30:28.400 --> 30:31.620]  Yeah, they were in the Rockwell calculators and some of the other ones.
[30:31.620 --> 30:36.860]  But Casio, you'd hit the sign key twice and put it in constant mode.
[30:37.000 --> 30:39.180]  And then something I remember about this.
[30:39.440 --> 30:41.240]  Boy, I guess I'm rambling here.
[30:41.320 --> 30:42.880]  So let's move on to...
[30:42.880 --> 30:43.500]  We have a question.
[30:43.700 --> 30:43.860]  Go ahead.
[30:44.200 --> 30:45.700]  Just another point.
[30:45.840 --> 30:48.580]  Not only were they successful to moisture and stuff.
[30:48.920 --> 30:51.220]  A lot of them often didn't do math very well.
[30:51.480 --> 30:56.320]  A lot of them, matter of fact, at the time, each one implemented their own way of having say floating-point numbers.
[30:56.620 --> 31:04.760]  And it wasn't until quite late in the game that Intel pushed through a stack of the IEEE to actually have the floating-point numbers populated you.
[31:04.960 --> 31:05.900]  How would it calculate?
[31:06.160 --> 31:12.060]  If you tried numbers, lots of floating-point calculations, lots of floating-point numbers, you might find you get different parameters.
[31:14.060 --> 31:15.840]  He's absolutely right again.
[31:16.100 --> 31:18.900]  And maybe you could write this for us next year.
[31:20.040 --> 31:22.900]  I saw that too, that organization, the IEEE.
[31:22.940 --> 31:27.380]  They at least took an active role in standardizing stuff.
[31:29.740 --> 31:30.960]  That was a problem, right?
[31:30.960 --> 31:33.700]  And a microprocessor several years ago.
[31:34.000 --> 31:35.140]  The rounding problem.
[31:35.560 --> 31:39.000]  Which only happened in the Pentium chip, exactly.
[31:39.880 --> 31:41.660]  Well, Paul's going to talk about...
[31:41.660 --> 31:43.860]  We selected a couple of items.
[31:43.920 --> 31:46.920]  I'm not able to get to four of them, so let's just probably do two of them.
[31:47.980 --> 31:53.240]  That we feel epitomized the era that we're so fond of, the 70s and 80s.
[31:53.240 --> 31:54.580]  We'll talk about it on our show.
[31:54.680 --> 31:59.280]  Should we depart from hand-held calculators?
[32:00.120 --> 32:01.040]  Tell electronics...
[32:01.040 --> 32:01.740]  Who's got one of them?
[32:01.960 --> 32:03.260]  Anybody have one of these?
[32:06.860 --> 32:08.100]  Hours and hours of playing.
[32:08.340 --> 32:11.040]  It was actually the Rockwell PPS-4.
[32:11.040 --> 32:13.420]  One of the Mattel games had a football show.
[32:13.880 --> 32:14.800]  Maybe it wasn't this one.
[32:14.900 --> 32:17.000]  One of the Mattel games had a football show.
[32:17.400 --> 32:20.320]  Maybe the baseball one else.
[32:20.600 --> 32:20.960]  Well, yeah.
[32:21.040 --> 32:24.820]  This particular hand-held game was certainly one of the first.
[32:25.000 --> 32:30.700]  If you consider TI's Little Professor a hand-held game, that was released in early 1976.
[32:32.220 --> 32:35.860]  Mattel's football was released a little later that year.
[32:35.860 --> 32:42.860]  And it implemented the second... what I read was the second microprocessor sold.
[32:43.660 --> 32:46.040]  It was Rockwell's PPS-4.
[32:46.200 --> 32:54.480]  And it was released in... it was announced the same year as Intel's 4004, but released a year or so later.
[32:54.960 --> 32:58.860]  And it was also a 4-bit microprocessor.
[32:59.120 --> 33:03.540]  And I cracked this one open just to show some of the insides here.
[33:03.540 --> 33:06.820]  You can see the touch-sensitive contacts in the middle.
[33:07.640 --> 33:10.420]  Pretty well-thought-out game for the year.
[33:10.580 --> 33:11.320]  Well-constructed.
[33:11.740 --> 33:15.440]  I know this gentleman here said he played that for hours and hours as well.
[33:15.840 --> 33:17.320]  Those contests could really take a beat.
[33:17.440 --> 33:22.540]  I probably played the thing for five years without a glitch in the controller.
[33:23.400 --> 33:24.840]  You know, I like these things to be perfect.
[33:24.920 --> 33:26.320]  I want them to respond when I hit the button.
[33:26.320 --> 33:29.100]  And this thing was pretty... I recall mine was pretty reliable.
[33:29.360 --> 33:31.660]  I don't think I brought... I think you were... I don't think I brought that one.
[33:32.440 --> 33:33.140]  Down with me.
[33:33.400 --> 33:37.480]  I actually have a football 2 of that, which was basically...
[33:37.480 --> 33:39.800]  It had a green case and a pass button.
[33:40.880 --> 33:41.540]  Oh, right, right.
[33:41.880 --> 33:43.080]  Yeah, I remember the upgrade of that.
[33:43.240 --> 33:46.620]  That gets a little bit more, because there weren't quite as...
[33:46.620 --> 33:49.100]  Many of those made, and if you see those on eBay, this...
[33:49.100 --> 33:51.220]  I don't know, Paul, is it 20 bucks maybe now?
[33:51.220 --> 33:55.900]  I've seen some of these go for as high as $60 or $70 with the original box.
[33:56.500 --> 33:59.040]  But you can see right underneath the area here.
[33:59.080 --> 34:00.860]  That's the... that's the PPS4.
[34:01.060 --> 34:06.120]  And part of the reason why it did so well with handheld games...
[34:06.120 --> 34:09.500]  It had... it featured 42 contacts, which...
[34:10.160 --> 34:14.940]  Baracko claimed enhanced or improved parallelism.
[34:15.320 --> 34:20.120]  And I guess that was one of the edges it had over the 40.04, but...
[34:21.220 --> 34:21.980]  Right.
[34:23.240 --> 34:23.880]  And...
[34:23.880 --> 34:26.120]  See the... you can see the...
[34:29.160 --> 34:30.800]  Yeah, 42 pins, right.
[34:37.390 --> 34:38.150]  The...
[34:38.150 --> 34:42.970]  We have the... we have two... two LED displays.
[34:43.210 --> 34:48.390]  We have one at the bottom, which is a typical alphanumeric LED display.
[34:48.390 --> 34:56.750]  And then the one underneath that just displays small red dashes to imitate the guys on the field.
[34:58.530 --> 35:05.870]  On the... the upper right-hand corner, you have the... the little speaker for... for sound.
[35:06.610 --> 35:07.270]  And...
[35:08.050 --> 35:10.350]  It's a pretty simple design, but...
[35:10.350 --> 35:13.270]  Mattel's... Mattel's game sold incredibly well.
[35:13.990 --> 35:14.490]  And...
[35:14.490 --> 35:17.850]  It certainly led to a boom in handheld... in handheld games.
[35:18.250 --> 35:20.430]  Prior to this, people were relying on...
[35:20.430 --> 35:22.750]  Arcade games and...
[35:22.750 --> 35:26.250]  Home... home video game consoles, so...
[35:26.250 --> 35:26.790]  And a...
[35:26.790 --> 35:28.670]  Cool note, I think, is that...
[35:28.670 --> 35:29.470]  Game is now...
[35:29.470 --> 35:30.430]  Available in...
[35:30.430 --> 35:31.230]  Uh...
[35:31.230 --> 35:34.290]  Recreated form in Walmart and Kmart and department stores.
[35:34.770 --> 35:36.210]  I think it retails for about 15 bucks.
[35:36.410 --> 35:38.330]  They use the same die, I think, to cut the...
[35:38.330 --> 35:38.850]  Uh...
[35:38.850 --> 35:39.730]  The chassis there.
[35:40.130 --> 35:40.650]  Uh...
[35:40.650 --> 35:41.350]  But it...
[35:41.350 --> 35:42.910]  Instead uses a cheaper...
[35:42.910 --> 35:43.830]  LCD display.
[35:43.830 --> 35:46.190]  You think they put it back in the manufacture with that...
[35:46.190 --> 35:46.870]  Uh...
[35:46.870 --> 35:47.390]  Original display.
[35:47.730 --> 35:47.770]  No.
[35:50.270 --> 35:50.670]  Uh...
[35:50.670 --> 35:52.090]  I wanted to crack that open for you.
[35:52.290 --> 35:52.950]  Yeah, I should have.
[35:53.150 --> 35:53.650]  I don't think...
[35:53.650 --> 35:54.050]  I don't think...
[35:54.050 --> 35:55.250]  Oh, it runs on double A's too.
[35:55.350 --> 35:55.610]  Not...
[35:55.610 --> 35:56.610]  Not the classic...
[35:56.610 --> 35:57.690]  Nine volt battery.
[35:57.830 --> 35:58.930]  Little cat jumping through it.
[35:59.010 --> 36:00.210]  Those are the memories I love.
[36:00.550 --> 36:01.550]  That's what we talk about.
[36:01.990 --> 36:02.510]  Yeah, I think...
[36:02.510 --> 36:03.810]  Those images from the past.
[36:04.670 --> 36:05.890]  I think the LED...
[36:05.890 --> 36:07.650]  The LEDs on the new one aren't the...
[36:07.650 --> 36:08.950]  They're the traditional...
[36:08.950 --> 36:09.590]  Uh...
[36:09.590 --> 36:11.270]  Traditional round LED lights.
[36:11.610 --> 36:12.910]  The LEDs that you see now.
[36:12.910 --> 36:13.470]  Not the...
[36:13.470 --> 36:14.410]  Not the...
[36:14.410 --> 36:16.350]  The tiny, uh...
[36:16.350 --> 36:17.070]  Uh...
[36:17.070 --> 36:17.570]  Uh...
[36:17.570 --> 36:18.450]  Different, uh...
[36:18.450 --> 36:19.730]  Incarnations of, uh...
[36:19.730 --> 36:20.550]  The LED display.
[36:20.670 --> 36:21.550]  The first...
[36:21.550 --> 36:22.350]  Just your, uh...
[36:22.350 --> 36:23.550]  Your plane, uh...
[36:23.550 --> 36:23.870]  Well, no.
[36:23.990 --> 36:25.630]  The original ones is, uh...
[36:25.630 --> 36:26.430]  Used in the, uh...
[36:26.430 --> 36:27.730]  Pulsar LED watch.
[36:28.070 --> 36:29.270]  Originally called the Hamilton.
[36:29.530 --> 36:29.990]  Then it was...
[36:29.990 --> 36:31.810]  When it was released, it was the Pulsar.
[36:32.430 --> 36:32.970]  Uh...
[36:32.970 --> 36:35.330]  Had these segments made up of a series of dots.
[36:35.990 --> 36:37.830]  And then it went on to the, uh...
[36:37.830 --> 36:38.210]  Single bars.
[36:38.430 --> 36:39.510]  The seven segment.
[36:39.750 --> 36:41.490]  Your typical seven segment LEDs.
[36:41.490 --> 36:42.490]  Those, uh...
[36:43.030 --> 36:44.270]  Obviously drew a lot of power.
[36:44.930 --> 36:45.330]  And...
[36:45.330 --> 36:46.230]  Cost them.
[36:46.370 --> 36:46.630]  So...
[36:46.630 --> 36:47.630]  They cut those in half.
[36:47.870 --> 36:48.450]  And, uh...
[36:48.450 --> 36:49.510]  Put little magnifiers over them.
[36:49.570 --> 36:51.130]  I think the Mattel, maybe use the...
[36:51.130 --> 36:51.970]  Magnifiers on that?
[36:53.670 --> 36:54.410]  That's a good question.
[36:54.530 --> 36:54.630]  Yeah.
[36:54.890 --> 36:56.190]  We should take another look at that.
[36:56.290 --> 36:56.350]  Yeah.
[36:58.590 --> 36:59.010]  Right.
[36:59.390 --> 36:59.810]  Right.
[36:59.810 --> 36:59.850]  Right.
[36:59.990 --> 37:00.750]  And that's, uh...
[37:00.750 --> 37:01.370]  One of the ways...
[37:01.370 --> 37:03.730]  As the decline began, and they, uh...
[37:03.730 --> 37:05.290]  Realized the LED, uh...
[37:05.290 --> 37:05.850]  Technology...
[37:05.850 --> 37:06.710]  Wasn't the, uh...
[37:06.710 --> 37:07.570]  The best way to go.
[37:07.750 --> 37:08.250]  Battery lights.
[37:08.430 --> 37:08.670]  Yeah.
[37:08.870 --> 37:10.430]  They sucked down the batteries.
[37:10.770 --> 37:11.890]  You couldn't see it in sunlight.
[37:12.150 --> 37:12.750]  Couldn't play it outside.
[37:12.750 --> 37:13.090]  Yeah.
[37:13.090 --> 37:14.510]  And that's when, uh...
[37:14.510 --> 37:14.930]  LCD took over.
[37:14.930 --> 37:16.450]  There are a couple of different forms of LCDs.
[37:16.530 --> 37:18.110]  And we'll show that at our, uh...
[37:18.110 --> 37:18.770]  Our kiosk.
[37:18.910 --> 37:19.550]  There's the, uh...
[37:19.550 --> 37:20.870]  Dynamic Scattering, uh...
[37:20.870 --> 37:21.250]  LCD.
[37:21.630 --> 37:22.610]  Which was, uh...
[37:22.610 --> 37:24.250]  In a couple of sharp calculators.
[37:24.970 --> 37:25.370]  And...
[37:25.370 --> 37:26.590]  In a couple of early LCD watches.
[37:26.610 --> 37:27.150]  Which, uh...
[37:27.150 --> 37:27.350]  Failed.
[37:27.970 --> 37:29.270]  And then it went to the, uh...
[37:29.270 --> 37:30.750]  The, uh...
[37:30.750 --> 37:31.270]  Dynamic, uh...
[37:32.150 --> 37:32.230]  Uh...
[37:32.230 --> 37:33.250]  Reflective, uh...
[37:33.250 --> 37:34.170]  LCD display.
[37:34.430 --> 37:36.750]  Which is virtually every watch.
[37:37.710 --> 37:38.510]  After that.
[37:38.670 --> 37:40.450]  Now, I know you had a question.
[37:40.750 --> 37:41.210]  Question, yeah.
[37:41.210 --> 37:42.270]  The previous watch.
[37:42.450 --> 37:44.770]  What does ASR do?
[37:45.670 --> 37:46.630]  I see the three letters.
[37:47.050 --> 37:48.510]  Oh, the functions on the...
[37:48.510 --> 37:48.770]  Yeah.
[37:50.110 --> 37:52.110]  I have an instruction manual for that.
[37:52.330 --> 37:52.590]  That's it.
[37:54.450 --> 37:55.010]  Um...
[37:57.600 --> 37:58.320]  That's it.
[37:58.480 --> 37:59.460]  That's exactly right.
[37:59.540 --> 38:00.840]  We can, uh...
[38:00.840 --> 38:03.100]  You're answering, uh...
[38:03.100 --> 38:04.240]  I appreciate this, uh...
[38:04.240 --> 38:04.860]  Interactive thing.
[38:05.960 --> 38:06.500]  Uh...
[38:06.500 --> 38:07.520]  So, what does A do again?
[38:08.040 --> 38:09.100]  Add to memory.
[38:09.700 --> 38:10.200]  Add to memory.
[38:10.220 --> 38:11.300]  Remove from memory.
[38:12.000 --> 38:12.520]  And, uh...
[38:12.520 --> 38:13.600]  Recall is the R.
[38:14.640 --> 38:14.940]  And...
[38:14.940 --> 38:15.980]  Now, who makes this watch here?
[38:18.440 --> 38:19.100]  I'm sorry?
[38:19.200 --> 38:19.940]  Who makes this watch?
[38:20.180 --> 38:21.280]  That's the, uh...
[38:21.280 --> 38:21.720]  Pulsar.
[38:22.120 --> 38:22.760]  First, uh...
[38:22.760 --> 38:24.300]  Wrist Calculator from 1976.
[38:24.680 --> 38:26.960]  I think it was actually introduced around Christmas of 75.
[38:28.060 --> 38:29.040]  That, uh...
[38:29.760 --> 38:30.120]  Uh...
[38:30.120 --> 38:30.980]  Originally sold for about...
[38:30.980 --> 38:31.760]  Yeah, $600.
[38:32.200 --> 38:35.240]  But there was a 14-karat gold version that sold for $39.50.
[38:35.340 --> 38:36.200]  About the, uh...
[38:36.200 --> 38:37.840]  About twice the price of a Pinto, right?
[38:38.680 --> 38:39.420]  Is that what it was?
[38:39.560 --> 38:41.540]  It was about the price of a, uh...
[38:41.540 --> 38:42.740]  Of a car phone back then, too.
[38:42.740 --> 38:43.160]  Yeah.
[38:43.460 --> 38:46.060]  The first motorbike car phones were about that, uh...
[38:46.060 --> 38:46.620]  That price, too.
[38:46.720 --> 38:49.180]  And they weren't even on 800 megahertz, uh...
[38:49.180 --> 38:49.780]  Back at that time.
[38:49.920 --> 38:50.280]  There's, uh...
[38:50.280 --> 38:53.600]  So many different areas we'd love to jump in to get your, uh...
[38:53.600 --> 38:54.580]  Feelings back, but, uh...
[38:54.580 --> 38:54.860]  Okay.
[38:55.300 --> 38:56.740]  Just about five minutes, uh, left here.
[38:58.140 --> 38:58.460]  Um...
[38:58.460 --> 38:59.420]  So I'm going through the town.
[38:59.560 --> 39:03.020]  Did you guys have a couple of things in the town?
[39:03.960 --> 39:04.260]  Yep.
[39:07.260 --> 39:07.900]  It's phenomenal.
[39:08.260 --> 39:09.260]  And you'll see it on our kiosk.
[39:09.260 --> 39:09.720]  I've got one.
[39:09.840 --> 39:11.060]  We're gonna have...
[39:12.740 --> 39:13.920]  Oh, there's one down there, too?
[39:14.100 --> 39:15.480]  We're working with a 20-year department.
[39:15.740 --> 39:15.980]  Okay.
[39:16.300 --> 39:16.880]  Well, Paul's...
[39:16.880 --> 39:17.620]  Go down and play it.
[39:17.640 --> 39:18.820]  We've got, uh...
[39:18.820 --> 39:19.660]  The 20-inch TV.
[39:19.900 --> 39:21.060]  We'll have, uh...
[39:21.060 --> 39:22.300]  Probably four different game systems.
[39:22.420 --> 39:24.320]  He has the Vectrex system, if you're aware of what you call it.
[39:24.780 --> 39:25.280]  That one.
[39:25.620 --> 39:26.740]  A bunch of cartridges for you to try.
[39:26.940 --> 39:27.160]  You just...
[39:27.160 --> 39:28.440]  You'll just hit the, uh...
[39:28.440 --> 39:29.200]  Different, uh...
[39:29.200 --> 39:30.240]  Selector switches there.
[39:30.700 --> 39:31.220]  And, uh...
[39:31.220 --> 39:32.780]  Select the one you want to try out.
[39:33.320 --> 39:33.920]  Boy, it's...
[39:33.920 --> 39:36.140]  It's nowhere close to walking into, uh...
[39:36.140 --> 39:37.300]  An Electronica...
[39:37.300 --> 39:38.060]  Circuit City.
[39:38.180 --> 39:39.940]  We're best buying, playing every video game systems.
[39:39.940 --> 39:42.900]  But I like the crudeness of our, uh... presentation.
[39:43.420 --> 39:44.080]  That's a...
[39:44.080 --> 39:44.960]  An array of, uh...
[39:44.960 --> 39:46.080]  Pulsar, uh...
[39:46.080 --> 39:46.740]  Watch products.
[39:48.080 --> 39:48.480]  Uh...
[39:48.480 --> 39:48.660]  Yeah.
[39:49.040 --> 39:50.540]  The little one is probably the, uh...
[39:50.540 --> 39:51.080]  The HP01.
[39:51.200 --> 39:52.700]  The cream of the crop calculator watches.
[39:56.590 --> 39:57.390]  The HP01?
[39:57.790 --> 39:58.570]  Yeah, the Calcu...
[39:58.570 --> 39:59.070]  The Ped one.
[39:59.110 --> 39:59.950]  Oh, the CalcuPen.
[40:00.070 --> 40:00.810]  They didn't make it off.
[40:00.810 --> 40:03.230]  No, that's why when you see those on eBay, they, uh...
[40:03.230 --> 40:06.350]  Start at $100, even if they're not in a box or anything like that.
[40:06.890 --> 40:07.010]  Uh...
[40:07.010 --> 40:08.390]  Six-digit display, I think, in that.
[40:08.550 --> 40:10.670]  Those rocker switches were a little bit, uh...
[40:10.670 --> 40:11.830]  Those four position, uh...
[40:11.830 --> 40:12.570]  That's eight.
[40:12.990 --> 40:13.830]  Is that an eight?
[40:14.990 --> 40:16.590]  Oh, he just took that in Photoshop.
[40:16.830 --> 40:17.430]  That's a six.
[40:17.830 --> 40:18.310]  I'm telling you.
[40:18.630 --> 40:19.090]  That's an eight.
[40:19.170 --> 40:20.310]  I doctored that one.
[40:20.710 --> 40:21.250]  That's the...
[40:21.250 --> 40:22.270]  That's the over-rare one.
[40:22.410 --> 40:23.410]  The six-digit display one.
[40:23.430 --> 40:24.710]  I can't get anything right.
[40:26.490 --> 40:26.890]  Comment.
[40:27.230 --> 40:27.350]  Yes.
[40:27.350 --> 40:31.070]  I see an unusual nine-segment display on that...
[40:31.070 --> 40:31.930]  In that box there.
[40:32.150 --> 40:32.350]  The, uh...
[40:33.410 --> 40:34.350]  The old Panasonic, uh...
[40:35.590 --> 40:36.450]  Vacuum processor display.
[40:36.570 --> 40:37.370]  Is it a gift for us?
[40:38.030 --> 40:38.430]  Uh...
[40:38.430 --> 40:38.890]  Just the...
[40:38.890 --> 40:40.150]  Oh, look at that.
[40:40.670 --> 40:40.870]  Yes.
[40:43.870 --> 40:44.630]  That's an interesting...
[40:44.630 --> 40:45.650]  Somebody left it on.
[40:46.410 --> 40:46.630]  No?
[40:47.470 --> 40:47.870]  No?
[40:48.490 --> 40:48.690]  No?
[40:49.670 --> 40:50.330]  Play with that too.
[40:50.510 --> 40:51.230]  Oh, there it goes.
[40:52.190 --> 40:52.550]  Well, you...
[40:52.550 --> 40:53.550]  You play with that.
[40:53.730 --> 40:55.490]  Yeah, VFD display is important to mention.
[40:55.610 --> 40:57.290]  The Nixie tube display, which is in the cast, yes.
[40:57.290 --> 41:00.910]  There's an extra segment that shows a tale of the four, the four's taken out.
[41:01.090 --> 41:02.750]  I've never seen that in any other...
[41:04.230 --> 41:05.630]  Well, I've never noticed that.
[41:06.350 --> 41:06.650]  That's...
[41:06.650 --> 41:08.890]  I think we'll devote an hour to that tomorrow night on our show.
[41:10.650 --> 41:11.890]  No, that's the kind of...
[41:11.890 --> 41:12.830]  That's the kind of thing we do.
[41:13.310 --> 41:13.510]  Uh...
[41:13.510 --> 41:17.290]  We spent about a half an hour on the, uh...
[41:17.290 --> 41:18.370]  Oh, what the heck was the model?
[41:18.570 --> 41:19.290]  That the talking...
[41:19.290 --> 41:21.190]  The first talking calculator, the, uh...
[41:21.850 --> 41:22.250]  Casio...
[41:22.250 --> 41:23.290]  Something 1000.
[41:24.730 --> 41:25.130]  Uh...
[41:25.130 --> 41:27.070]  It had pre-programmed messages.
[41:27.070 --> 41:28.490]  On the, uh...
[41:28.490 --> 41:29.010]  One chip.
[41:29.530 --> 41:30.670]  It had six messages.
[41:31.030 --> 41:31.690]  It had the, uh...
[41:31.690 --> 41:32.430]  Oh, the TA 1000.
[41:32.630 --> 41:33.610]  TA 1000, right.
[41:34.110 --> 41:36.890]  It had pre-programmed for the say every digit.
[41:37.150 --> 41:38.230]  And Paul's got an audio sample.
[41:38.230 --> 41:38.970]  In fact, I got an audio sample.
[41:38.970 --> 41:39.970]  I got an audio sample.
[41:40.910 --> 41:41.170]  I got an audio sample.
[41:41.170 --> 41:41.790]  Speaking of spell.
[41:41.930 --> 41:42.770]  Speaking of spell, 1978.
[41:43.190 --> 41:43.790]  I had a hackable machine.
[41:44.170 --> 41:44.850]  Very hackable machine.
[41:44.850 --> 41:44.890]  Very hackable.
[41:45.190 --> 41:45.330]  Yes.
[41:45.450 --> 41:46.910]  Could you get it to say the F word?
[41:47.490 --> 41:47.770]  Uh-huh.
[41:48.650 --> 41:49.730]  I can have it spelled out.
[41:51.010 --> 41:51.810]  I know.
[41:51.990 --> 41:52.650]  We all did that.
[41:52.930 --> 41:53.870]  I was spelling it wrong.
[41:54.090 --> 41:54.090]  It
[42:08.100 --> 42:08.880]  probably...
[42:08.880 --> 42:11.440]  Has anybody seen PUD speaking of the F word?
[42:12.520 --> 42:13.440]  Uh-huh.
[42:13.540 --> 42:17.120]  Was he the, uh, pioneer behind, uh, F company dot com?
[42:18.560 --> 42:19.020]  No.
[42:19.140 --> 42:19.760]  Nobody's seen PUD either.
[42:20.420 --> 42:20.960]  There it is.
[42:21.020 --> 42:21.720]  That's the TA gun.
[42:26.080 --> 42:26.500]  Sure.
[42:27.100 --> 42:29.320]  So I'll let this, I'll let this run out of the pocket.
[42:29.460 --> 42:30.280]  You get the idea.
[42:34.460 --> 42:35.840]  What is amazing to me though.
[42:36.840 --> 42:48.180]  That, uh, that 1980 calculator that's, uh, capable of, uh, with its, uh, circuitry capable of, uh, creating those, uh, that simulated, obviously, Japanese voice.
[42:48.720 --> 42:50.480]  I'm not politically incorrect on that.
[42:50.900 --> 42:54.160]  Um, there's a chip in Radio Shack right now on the shelf.
[42:54.660 --> 42:55.360]  But hurry.
[42:55.640 --> 42:58.900]  You gotta get to Radio Shack soon because they're gonna take all this stuff off the shelves.
[42:59.380 --> 43:01.260]  You remember the days of Popular Science.
[43:01.400 --> 43:04.040]  You got a project kit that gives you a, uh, parts list.
[43:04.260 --> 43:05.020]  Go to Radio Shack.
[43:05.120 --> 43:07.560]  Ask for catalog number 26 to H052.
[43:07.820 --> 43:08.580]  And, no.
[43:08.840 --> 43:14.480]  They're, at least in the Radio Shack's in our area, and I don't know if you guys, uh, check them out on any sort of basis.
[43:14.480 --> 43:18.420]  But they're, they're consolidating all of the little parts.
[43:18.580 --> 43:24.720]  The ICs, the timer ICs, and the, uh, talking, uh, the voice recorder ICs, and all that stuff.
[43:26.340 --> 43:26.980]  Is that...
[43:34.420 --> 43:34.920]  Yeah, yeah.
[43:34.940 --> 43:35.360]  What good is that?
[43:35.460 --> 43:36.460]  You got a late night project.
[43:36.700 --> 43:37.680]  You gotta run to Radio Shack.
[43:40.280 --> 43:40.600]  Exactly.
[43:41.380 --> 43:42.600]  That's, that's exactly right.
[43:42.700 --> 43:44.960]  And that is kind of the essence of what we're talking about here.
[43:46.220 --> 43:46.860]  Radio Shack...
[43:46.860 --> 43:49.020]  If you need a, if you need a cell phone, they got you covered.
[43:49.020 --> 43:56.180]  Radio Shack is sold out because, hey, they got a whole wall of consumer, uh, cell phones, and, uh, next talent.
[43:57.400 --> 43:59.500]  You ask questions, we say, duh!
[44:00.800 --> 44:02.320]  They never know the right answers.
[44:02.600 --> 44:04.540]  That should be the new campaign for Radio Shack.
[44:04.600 --> 44:07.520]  And I think we'll, uh, we'll get, uh, sarcastic tomorrow night.
[44:07.740 --> 44:10.960]  On our, on our radio show called Pocket Calculator.
[44:11.120 --> 44:15.220]  It's on WBCQ at 7.415 megahertz.
[44:15.640 --> 44:23.420]  Yeah, and if any of you guys want to come up and, uh, listen in, or if you have anything you want to share with, uh, with the world on shortwave, by all means, come on up.
[44:23.520 --> 44:24.020]  Yeah, let's do it.
[44:24.220 --> 44:25.180]  Yeah, room 1071.
[44:25.440 --> 44:25.740]  1071.
[44:26.100 --> 44:26.660]  Come on by.
[44:27.040 --> 44:27.360]  BYOB.
[44:27.860 --> 44:42.760]  Um, there's, uh, we got three microphones set up, so if you do have some, uh, some memories about these, uh, vintage electronics that, uh, you want to share, there's, uh, obviously so much that, uh, we should, uh, touch on, but we're gonna have to conclude here in a couple of minutes.
[44:42.880 --> 44:47.300]  But if you want to, want to say to all of North America, even parts of Europe on the shortwave radio show.
[44:48.500 --> 44:48.620]  Gary.
[44:48.840 --> 44:49.100]  All right.
[44:49.760 --> 44:59.080]  Well, and even if you're not so interested in, in, uh, the stuff we talk about, the station WBCQ is, has a tremendous, uh, tremendous, uh, program schedule.
[44:59.080 --> 45:04.040]  They, they play, uh, or they have Off the Hook, which is, uh, sure, I don't see folks familiar with that show.
[45:04.040 --> 45:06.800]  And the show that Bernie S is involved in, give that a plug.
[45:07.020 --> 45:07.740]  That's the W...
[45:08.960 --> 45:09.460]  From here.
[45:09.620 --> 45:10.400]  We're gonna do a live show.
[45:10.780 --> 45:11.860]  We're gonna do a live show tomorrow.
[45:12.340 --> 45:12.480]  We're gonna do it tomorrow.
[45:12.540 --> 45:12.940]  10 o'clock.
[45:13.140 --> 45:15.260]  It'd be great if we could do it down here or something.
[45:15.900 --> 45:16.720]  Is that your first?
[45:16.860 --> 45:17.880]  Is that your first live show?
[45:17.900 --> 45:22.660]  No, actually, after we saw you in Philadelphia, we, uh, started doing them almost on a weekly basis.
[45:23.100 --> 45:24.240]  It's always gonna be a live, yeah.
[45:24.380 --> 45:24.640]  Yeah.
[45:25.000 --> 45:28.560]  It's, uh, working a lot better, and that's how we've, uh, gotten the emails up to 30 or 40.
[45:28.560 --> 45:30.180]  That's a pretty big deal for shortwave radio shows.
[45:30.300 --> 45:43.880]  At least we're, we're told that, uh, one email, because it's an old technology, people aren't, uh, necessarily already online, uh, you know, to get about 30 or 40 emails from that type of audience is, uh, uh, quite a coup.
[45:44.600 --> 45:51.260]  Um, so we should wrap it up here in saying, uh, we appreciate that you're listening to our golden age of electronics.
[45:51.380 --> 45:57.220]  Maybe a little self-serving, uh, I hope you shared some of the, uh, similar interests that we have.
[45:57.220 --> 45:57.600]  Yeah.
[45:57.600 --> 46:07.540]  And certainly, yeah, certainly stop by our table, uh, if you want to share some more stuff, you want to, I mean, there's so much stuff that we couldn't display tonight, but I just want to welcome you to come by and chat with us and, uh, play with our,
[46:07.700 --> 46:08.420]  play with our gadgets.
[46:08.420 --> 46:08.760]  Yeah.
[46:09.300 --> 46:11.620]  So, how about the prepared statement?
[46:12.380 --> 46:28.500]  The constant race to market a 20% faster chip, another hundred satellite channels, a thousand extra free cell phone minutes and so on, allows us little time to appreciate where we are in this exponentially growing electronic age.
[46:28.760 --> 46:31.900]  A greater consequence may be losing sight of where we've come from.
[46:32.240 --> 46:45.240]  We recognize that, uh, wouldn't have the pleasure of talking about the good old days with, uh, everybody on the Nets if, if it weren't for, uh, Jack Kilby and the, uh, the exponential growth of the, uh, Integrated Surgeon to what it is now.
[46:46.360 --> 46:49.220]  What we think is lacking in today's electronics is soul.
[46:49.380 --> 46:59.540]  And if we had more time, we could, uh, talk about the investor relations website of Casio and how much less goes into research and development and how they had a hundred different watch modules back in 1980.
[47:00.280 --> 47:04.040]  And now they've got maybe 12, um, or 12 new ones introduced.
[47:04.280 --> 47:12.300]  You know, they got a Pathfinder digital camera watch, uh, uh, maybe two or three other significant ones, uh, MP3 player watch.
[47:12.540 --> 47:17.600]  Uh, but nothing on the order of, uh, what existed, uh, back in, in our golden age.
[47:17.700 --> 47:28.040]  So we'd love to walk into a, of those neon drenched Circuit City or Best Buy stores and come out of there with some electronics and have some soul.
[47:28.760 --> 47:29.680]  Thank you.
[47:32.040 --> 47:33.120]  Appreciate that.