[00:46.900 --> 00:50.040]  My name is FearFree, and this is the Internet radio panel.
[00:52.800 --> 00:53.980]  First, let's introduce ourselves.
[00:54.120 --> 00:55.100]  As I said, I'm FearFree.
[00:55.340 --> 00:56.300]  I live in New Jersey.
[00:56.560 --> 00:58.260]  In the fall, I'll be a junior in high school.
[01:02.320 --> 01:14.340]  Also, I play a nice-sized role in the broadcasting of Off the Hook every week on the Internet and Off the Hook After Dark with Mennonite and Sardonic.
[01:14.960 --> 01:18.690]  I think I'll be taking over that show soon, but I don't know what's going on.
[01:21.760 --> 01:22.900]  Is this on?
[01:23.080 --> 01:23.240]  Yeah.
[01:23.820 --> 01:24.680]  I'm Porkchop.
[01:24.960 --> 01:29.480]  I started the Off the Hook Real Audio Broadcast in 1997.
[01:30.100 --> 01:34.620]  I basically just brought my machine to the last HOPE and did the Real Audio Broadcast there.
[01:34.760 --> 01:36.760]  I said I can continue to do it for the weekly radio shows.
[01:37.280 --> 01:43.020]  And since then, pretty much every week, has been broadcast on the internet at 8 o'clock on Tuesday nights.
[01:44.840 --> 01:45.760]  Use the mic!
[01:46.000 --> 01:47.070]  I am using the mic.
[01:47.560 --> 01:48.220]  Thank you.
[01:51.000 --> 01:59.300]  After a while, I have handed it down to Junes, who has taken over most of the coordinating between the Real Audio servers.
[02:00.120 --> 02:06.840]  And FearFree first, I believe it was first FearFree, that came up with the idea of continuing to do this with MP3 as well as Real Audio.
[02:08.620 --> 02:15.160]  And Real Audio, as probably many of you know, if you run Windows 98, for example, it installs shit everywhere.
[02:16.140 --> 02:17.920]  It breaks all the time.
[02:18.140 --> 02:18.740]  Yes, it does.
[02:19.000 --> 02:22.780]  And it's crap, is what it is.
[02:23.350 --> 02:26.340]  And MP3, if you've tried it, is a lot clearer.
[02:26.540 --> 02:27.570]  You can hear it a lot better.
[02:27.570 --> 02:30.520]  And it's a lot cleaner installation, certainly.
[02:31.980 --> 02:38.280]  And you can also now, thankfully, hear MP3 streams on Macintosh OS.
[02:38.280 --> 02:40.680]  You can hear it on Linux OSes.
[02:41.000 --> 02:42.100]  Any OS you want.
[02:42.560 --> 02:43.200]  Basically true.
[02:45.060 --> 02:47.020]  And, of course, you can do the same thing with Real Audio.
[02:47.420 --> 02:49.000]  I think that's actually fairly recent.
[02:49.160 --> 02:52.240]  The G2 streams for Real Audio finally came out for Linux.
[02:53.000 --> 02:55.120]  And that sucks, too.
[02:56.480 --> 02:59.060]  Today we're going to be focusing mainly on MP3.
[02:59.220 --> 02:59.800]  Basically, yeah.
[02:59.960 --> 03:00.520]  That's the message.
[03:00.720 --> 03:01.400]  Real Audio sucks.
[03:01.700 --> 03:05.820]  Because the server's free, the plug-ins are free, everything is free.
[03:06.060 --> 03:07.280]  That's a good word, by the way.
[03:07.380 --> 03:08.380]  That's actually something to note.
[03:08.780 --> 03:10.260]  One last note on Real Audio.
[03:10.640 --> 03:11.940]  It came from Progressive Networks.
[03:12.240 --> 03:14.260]  And Progressive Networks started wanting the money.
[03:14.720 --> 03:15.940]  And, uh, Sierra.
[03:19.600 --> 03:20.220]  Good work.
[03:20.720 --> 03:20.880]  Yeah.
[03:25.110 --> 03:26.200]  Uh, what was it?
[03:27.220 --> 03:29.020]  Progressive Networks then turned into Real Networks.
[03:29.040 --> 03:30.500]  And they wanted lots and lots and lots of money.
[03:30.660 --> 03:33.140]  And it was... all fun.
[03:41.020 --> 03:42.330]  So enough say with Real Audio.
[03:42.330 --> 03:43.050]  Just don't bother.
[03:45.220 --> 03:45.580]  Um...
[03:45.580 --> 03:46.540]  Alright, am I okay now?
[03:49.800 --> 03:51.260]  Yeah, you should come out with fake audio.
[03:51.560 --> 03:53.640]  Alright, so, um...
[03:53.640 --> 03:54.960]  You guys will have to bear with me.
[03:55.000 --> 03:56.000]  I'm not much of a presenter.
[03:56.460 --> 03:57.700]  This is Juintz, by the way.
[03:57.760 --> 03:59.640]  He's the coordinator for all of the streams.
[03:59.820 --> 04:01.300]  So this guy, this guy knows what he's doing.
[04:01.480 --> 04:05.560]  I took over for Porkchop after he got way too busy with the film, so...
[04:05.560 --> 04:06.960]  It is a lot of work.
[04:07.120 --> 04:09.040]  And he's been doing a really good job, by the way.
[04:09.690 --> 04:12.500]  He always, he always knows what's going on.
[04:12.860 --> 04:15.180]  He always knows exactly what's going on with Real Audio.
[04:15.180 --> 04:16.860]  He always knows exactly what's going on.
[04:17.060 --> 04:18.080]  Thanks to people like FearFree.
[04:18.320 --> 04:18.600]  Okay.
[04:20.720 --> 04:21.080]  Um...
[04:21.080 --> 04:21.410]  I guess.
[04:23.090 --> 04:23.820]  Alright, so...
[04:23.820 --> 04:25.320]  You said you don't have too much to say.
[04:25.560 --> 04:26.640]  Yeah, um...
[04:26.640 --> 04:28.180]  I think that Porkchop said, uh...
[04:28.820 --> 04:30.150]  really a lot of what I wanted to say.
[04:30.400 --> 04:31.560]  Just that, um...
[04:31.560 --> 04:33.000]  The new thing now is MP3.
[04:33.400 --> 04:35.030]  Uh, Real Audio was good while we had it.
[04:35.200 --> 04:37.030]  But, you know, they want you to pay for it.
[04:37.270 --> 04:38.220]  Free is a lot better.
[04:39.200 --> 04:40.300]  Alright, so, um...
[04:40.300 --> 04:41.410]  What I'd like to do...
[04:41.900 --> 04:42.560]  Is, uh...
[04:42.560 --> 04:44.600]  I want to mainly demonstrate on the laptop.
[04:44.940 --> 04:47.840]  So, if I can have the house lights down a little bit, that'd be a big help.
[04:48.910 --> 04:49.300]  Um...
[04:49.300 --> 04:49.880]  If possible.
[04:51.640 --> 04:52.030]  Um...
[04:52.030 --> 04:52.770]  I'll make my way over.
[04:53.860 --> 04:54.260]  Uh...
[04:54.260 --> 04:55.260]  So we can get these lights down.
[04:55.480 --> 04:57.380]  So you guys can look to your...
[04:57.380 --> 04:58.500]  To your side.
[04:58.770 --> 04:59.180]  And...
[04:59.180 --> 05:00.840]  See our nice screen over here.
[05:00.840 --> 05:01.650]  Yeah, Windows.
[05:02.700 --> 05:03.100]  Well...
[05:03.100 --> 05:04.550]  I know it's Windows, but...
[05:05.040 --> 05:06.670]  This is what we're gonna have to deal with for today.
[05:07.220 --> 05:07.520]  Um...
[05:07.520 --> 05:10.320]  I hope I don't get feedback because I'm in front of the speakers, so...
[05:11.180 --> 05:12.050]  Yeah, see, exactly.
[05:12.150 --> 05:12.600]  That's what I said.
[05:13.320 --> 05:14.260]  Alright, um...
[05:14.260 --> 05:17.240]  As you can see, it is a plain old Windows machine.
[05:18.400 --> 05:18.790]  Um...
[05:18.790 --> 05:19.550]  Running Windows 98.
[05:20.760 --> 05:21.150]  Uh...
[05:21.150 --> 05:23.200]  Please don't send any email or anything.
[05:23.460 --> 05:24.020]  I don't need it.
[05:24.980 --> 05:25.170]  Um...
[05:25.170 --> 05:26.550]  We're already doing a lot, so...
[05:26.550 --> 05:27.840]  Alright, so...
[05:27.840 --> 05:29.280]  The first thing you need to do...
[05:29.280 --> 05:32.660]  Is hook yourself up with a Shoutcast server.
[05:33.500 --> 05:34.040]  Um...
[05:34.040 --> 05:35.670]  You can run it off almost any connection.
[05:36.000 --> 05:38.740]  But if you want to get any type...
[05:38.740 --> 05:39.340]  Of...
[05:39.340 --> 05:41.670]  Good listener load...
[05:41.670 --> 05:42.120]  Uh...
[05:42.120 --> 05:43.500]  It's gotta be on a high speed connection.
[05:43.820 --> 05:44.050]  Uh...
[05:44.050 --> 05:46.240]  I mean, you're not talking major bandwidth per listener.
[05:46.920 --> 05:47.140]  Uh...
[05:47.140 --> 05:48.100]  Most of the time...
[05:48.100 --> 05:49.740]  Over the internet...
[05:49.740 --> 05:49.940]  Uh...
[05:49.940 --> 05:51.400]  People stream at...
[05:52.050 --> 05:52.620]  16K...
[05:52.620 --> 05:53.460]  24K...
[05:53.460 --> 05:54.080]  18K...
[05:54.080 --> 05:55.790]  So we're not talking huge amount of bandwidth.
[05:56.460 --> 05:56.740]  Uh...
[05:56.740 --> 05:56.820]  Uh...
[05:56.820 --> 05:58.600]  My server is HotsoupMedia.com.
[05:58.780 --> 05:59.980]  Which is the main server for...
[05:59.980 --> 06:02.000]  Main MP3 server for...
[06:02.000 --> 06:02.360]  Uh...
[06:02.360 --> 06:03.740]  Broadcasting Off The Hook over the Internet.
[06:04.640 --> 06:05.050]  Um...
[06:05.050 --> 06:05.460]  And that's...
[06:05.460 --> 06:06.260]  That's on a T1.
[06:07.020 --> 06:07.620]  It's...
[06:07.620 --> 06:09.080]  An AMD...
[06:09.860 --> 06:10.460]  K6...
[06:10.460 --> 06:10.760]  266...
[06:11.550 --> 06:12.460]  With 128 Mb.
[06:13.700 --> 06:14.000]  Um...
[06:14.290 --> 06:15.320]  As I said, on a T1.
[06:15.700 --> 06:17.880]  And this software...
[06:17.880 --> 06:18.280]  Um...
[06:18.280 --> 06:18.360]  Um...
[06:18.360 --> 06:20.240]  The server software is available at...
[06:20.240 --> 06:22.240]  www.shoutcast.com.
[06:22.420 --> 06:24.100]  Which is made by Nullsoft.
[06:24.620 --> 06:26.820]  Which is the same company that makes Winamp.
[06:27.840 --> 06:28.360]  So...
[06:28.360 --> 06:29.120]  And...
[06:29.120 --> 06:31.220]  There's also another company called Icecast.
[06:31.480 --> 06:33.480]  And their server is exactly the same.
[06:33.880 --> 06:34.020]  But...
[06:34.020 --> 06:34.460]  Much better.
[06:34.670 --> 06:35.320]  Much better.
[06:35.400 --> 06:35.900]  It is better.
[06:36.500 --> 06:37.700]  But, uh...
[06:37.700 --> 06:40.840]  The plugins for Winamp work better with the Shoutcast server and vice versa.
[06:41.100 --> 06:45.040]  So if you're running Linux, I highly recommend downloading Shoutcast and their...
[06:45.040 --> 06:47.290]  Their plugins for the Linux operating system.
[06:47.520 --> 06:47.860]  I...
[06:47.860 --> 06:49.220]  Haven't really explored it much.
[06:49.360 --> 06:50.140]  But I know they exist.
[06:50.600 --> 06:51.860]  And I think they're at shout...
[06:51.860 --> 06:52.200]  Uh...
[06:52.200 --> 06:53.290]  Icecast.org.
[06:53.790 --> 06:54.170]  Right?
[06:54.600 --> 06:55.040]  Okay.
[06:55.820 --> 06:56.260]  So...
[06:56.260 --> 06:58.280]  The first thing you have to do is install the server.
[06:58.480 --> 06:59.050]  Which is already done.
[06:59.620 --> 07:00.360]  Extremely simple.
[07:00.540 --> 07:02.780]  It's as simple as extracting a TAR file.
[07:03.000 --> 07:03.240]  So...
[07:03.240 --> 07:04.050]  I mean that's...
[07:04.050 --> 07:05.620]  Anybody who knows Linux can do that.
[07:06.280 --> 07:06.670]  Uh...
[07:06.670 --> 07:07.700]  And then you just gotta...
[07:07.700 --> 07:08.520]  Start it up.
[07:09.460 --> 07:11.240]  Which is as simple as typing a command.
[07:11.920 --> 07:12.360]  Alright.
[07:13.880 --> 07:14.520]  And then...
[07:14.520 --> 07:15.480]  As soon as it started up.
[07:15.620 --> 07:17.050]  All you need to do is go to...
[07:17.050 --> 07:18.440]  Presuming that you have your server mini.
[07:19.170 --> 07:20.440]  Go to the Shoutcast website.
[07:20.700 --> 07:21.860]  And go to the plugin section.
[07:22.170 --> 07:22.420]  For...
[07:22.420 --> 07:23.200]  You wanna be a DJ.
[07:23.760 --> 07:24.080]  Um...
[07:24.080 --> 07:25.380]  If you wanna go to that page.
[07:27.060 --> 07:27.700]  And, um...
[07:27.700 --> 07:29.700]  All you need to download...
[07:29.700 --> 07:30.920]  I don't know why it's still on top.
[07:31.140 --> 07:31.520]  But it's okay.
[07:35.750 --> 07:36.530]  I don't know why it's still on top.
[07:36.530 --> 07:37.070]  I don't know why it's too bad now.
[07:37.750 --> 07:39.050]  Oh, well they turned off my audio.
[07:39.330 --> 07:39.650]  So...
[07:39.650 --> 07:39.990]  That doesn't help.
[07:40.250 --> 07:40.650]  That's okay.
[07:41.550 --> 07:41.870]  Alright.
[07:43.370 --> 07:44.670]  And that's at Shoutcast.
[07:46.390 --> 07:47.390]  I'm sorry guys.
[07:48.130 --> 07:48.890]  I'm, uh...
[07:48.890 --> 07:49.510]  Poorly prepared.
[07:49.750 --> 07:50.150]  That's okay.
[07:53.840 --> 07:54.320]  Alright.
[07:54.480 --> 07:55.420]  If I just...
[07:58.680 --> 07:59.380]  Sorry guys.
[08:01.000 --> 08:01.480]  Okay.
[08:01.600 --> 08:02.760]  And this is the Shoutcast webpage.
[08:03.200 --> 08:05.820]  And it's really, really, really simple to download the stuff.
[08:05.960 --> 08:06.440]  You just go here.
[08:06.680 --> 08:07.860]  And you can download the server.
[08:08.260 --> 08:09.300]  Presuming that you have the server.
[08:09.340 --> 08:10.440]  You just go, I wanna be a DJ.
[08:11.140 --> 08:12.700]  And the most important part.
[08:12.700 --> 08:13.600]  Which you can see here.
[08:14.440 --> 08:14.840]  Um...
[08:14.840 --> 08:15.520]  Look at how this works.
[08:15.820 --> 08:17.780]  Is what they call the DSP plugins.
[08:18.140 --> 08:19.060]  It's, uh...
[08:19.060 --> 08:21.360]  The square window that says HotsoupMedia inside of it.
[08:21.460 --> 08:22.760]  The one in the...
[08:22.760 --> 08:23.520]  Um...
[08:23.520 --> 08:24.420]  Lower right hand corner.
[08:25.380 --> 08:25.780]  Um...
[08:25.780 --> 08:27.540]  And that's the guts of the whole operation.
[08:28.060 --> 08:28.700]  And, uh...
[08:28.700 --> 08:29.260]  What you do.
[08:29.520 --> 08:31.100]  If I can have audio on the laptop.
[08:31.100 --> 08:32.440]  I don't know how you, uh...
[08:32.440 --> 08:32.780]  Or...
[08:32.780 --> 08:33.880]  The DJs stand over here.
[08:34.860 --> 08:35.040]  Uh...
[08:35.040 --> 08:35.560]  Yeah, that's it.
[08:36.920 --> 08:38.280]  And you just click the connect button.
[08:38.460 --> 08:39.220]  And it's connected.
[08:39.340 --> 08:41.860]  As you can see, It shows up with 0 of 100 listeners.
[08:42.020 --> 08:42.980]  We have no listeners, unfortunately.
[08:45.100 --> 08:45.500]  Um...
[08:45.500 --> 08:46.780]  And all you have to do...
[08:46.780 --> 08:49.000]  Is select an MP3 you wanna play.
[08:51.340 --> 08:51.740]  Um...
[08:51.740 --> 08:52.260]  Any MP3.
[08:54.680 --> 08:55.080]  Uh...
[08:55.080 --> 08:56.140]  Which I don't really care about.
[08:56.800 --> 08:57.700]  Let's just pick one.
[09:02.820 --> 09:04.060]  Okay, so there's an MP3.
[09:04.060 --> 09:04.780]  So it's playing.
[09:05.060 --> 09:06.820]  And that's going live over the internet.
[09:07.620 --> 09:08.100]  Um...
[09:08.100 --> 09:08.880]  So that's simple stuff.
[09:08.940 --> 09:10.080]  You can play any MP3.
[09:10.300 --> 09:12.020]  You cannot play WAV files.
[09:12.120 --> 09:13.460]  Which is the mistake of a lot of people.
[09:14.480 --> 09:14.960]  Um...
[09:14.960 --> 09:15.600]  And that's bad.
[09:15.820 --> 09:17.420]  Because it will sound horrible.
[09:19.380 --> 09:21.980]  If I'm not mistaken, it will actually crash everything.
[09:23.260 --> 09:23.740]  Um...
[09:23.740 --> 09:24.460]  So don't do it.
[09:25.160 --> 09:26.740]  I made that mistake a couple times.
[09:28.620 --> 09:29.100]  Um...
[09:29.100 --> 09:30.400]  That's basically the story with that.
[09:31.760 --> 09:33.280]  And you can play any MP3.
[09:33.500 --> 09:33.960]  Any bit...
[09:33.960 --> 09:34.800]  Any bit rate.
[09:35.020 --> 09:35.220]  Anything.
[09:35.500 --> 09:36.740]  Even the variable bit rate.
[09:37.080 --> 09:37.560]  MP3s.
[09:38.680 --> 09:39.160]  Um...
[09:39.160 --> 09:41.400]  And it doesn't really matter what the bit rate is.
[09:41.560 --> 09:42.160]  Because you're broadcasting...
[09:43.120 --> 09:43.520]  Uh...
[09:43.520 --> 09:45.360]  Most of the time I broadcast at 16 kilobits.
[09:45.920 --> 09:48.040]  So if it's a 56 kilobit MP3.
[09:48.240 --> 09:49.900]  Or a 192 or a 256.
[09:50.240 --> 09:50.720]  It doesn't matter.
[09:50.840 --> 09:52.400]  It's all going to sound the same as your listener.
[10:05.760 --> 10:06.160]  Um...
[10:06.160 --> 10:07.820]  So that's if you just want to do MP3s.
[10:08.460 --> 10:08.780]  But...
[10:08.780 --> 10:09.560]  I'm going in front of the speaker.
[10:09.720 --> 10:10.680]  So you may want to turn down my level.
[10:10.800 --> 10:11.220]  My level.
[10:13.240 --> 10:16.180]  But if you want to do something more...
[10:16.180 --> 10:17.620]  I don't know if you can see me.
[10:18.440 --> 10:18.760]  But...
[10:18.760 --> 10:19.660]  You can...
[10:19.660 --> 10:21.420]  With a lining jack on your computer.
[10:21.460 --> 10:22.340]  You can hook up...
[10:22.340 --> 10:23.180]  A mixer.
[10:23.360 --> 10:25.200]  This is just a simple...
[10:25.200 --> 10:25.520]  Come on.
[10:26.420 --> 10:27.060]  200 hour...
[10:27.660 --> 10:29.600]  DJ mixer that you can pick up almost anywhere.
[10:29.920 --> 10:31.620]  I got it at the Wiz for 200 bucks.
[10:32.480 --> 10:32.800]  Um...
[10:32.800 --> 10:33.340]  And just...
[10:33.340 --> 10:34.300]  All you have to do...
[10:34.780 --> 10:36.440]  Is go to Radio Shack.
[10:36.640 --> 10:37.300]  And pick up...
[10:38.780 --> 10:39.920]  This little baby here.
[10:41.520 --> 10:41.960]  A...
[10:41.960 --> 10:43.400]  With the RCA's on one side.
[10:44.840 --> 10:46.780]  And you are a quarter inch on the other side.
[10:47.600 --> 10:48.800]  And all you have to do is put...
[10:48.800 --> 10:49.600]  I mean the eighth inch.
[10:50.260 --> 10:52.680]  Is point the eighth inch into your lining on your computer.
[10:53.520 --> 10:54.320]  In Windows.
[10:56.180 --> 10:58.540]  In Windows all you have to do...
[10:58.540 --> 11:00.360]  And it's probably just as simple.
[11:00.440 --> 11:01.480]  It's probably easier in Linux.
[11:02.640 --> 11:03.540]  Let's hear it for Linux.
[11:03.540 --> 11:03.680]  Yes.
[11:05.040 --> 11:05.580]  Um...
[11:05.580 --> 11:06.500]  Go to your Properties.
[11:06.780 --> 11:07.800]  And Recording.
[11:09.220 --> 11:11.500]  And just make sure that your line is selected.
[11:11.560 --> 11:12.560]  As you can see...
[11:12.560 --> 11:13.280]  It is selected.
[11:14.100 --> 11:14.320]  Um...
[11:14.320 --> 11:14.700]  And do...
[11:14.700 --> 11:18.420]  The one thing you want to make sure you do when you use a mixer.
[11:18.700 --> 11:19.500]  External mixer.
[11:19.860 --> 11:22.740]  Is make sure you test your levels first.
[11:23.480 --> 11:26.020]  Because otherwise you will blast your audience to hell.
[11:27.100 --> 11:27.460]  Or...
[11:27.460 --> 11:28.260]  They won't be able to hear anything.
[11:28.400 --> 11:29.000]  Depending on...
[11:29.000 --> 11:29.320]  You know...
[11:29.320 --> 11:30.080]  What the situation is.
[11:31.320 --> 11:32.180]  Why are you looking at me?
[11:33.720 --> 11:34.200]  Okay.
[11:34.760 --> 11:35.780]  So, uh...
[11:35.780 --> 11:36.320]  That's...
[11:36.320 --> 11:36.880]  That's...
[11:36.880 --> 11:39.120]  That's how you would also do broadcasts off the radio.
[11:39.320 --> 11:40.040]  Like off the hook.
[11:40.600 --> 11:40.940]  Uh...
[11:40.940 --> 11:42.320]  You don't need a mixer for it.
[11:42.380 --> 11:43.700]  You can just patch your radio.
[11:44.400 --> 11:45.180]  Just put...
[11:46.420 --> 11:46.900]  Uh...
[11:46.900 --> 11:48.720]  Eighth inch on both sides.
[11:49.000 --> 11:49.380]  A...
[11:49.380 --> 11:50.160]  I guess it's...
[11:50.160 --> 11:52.820]  I think it's a male-male connection on both sides.
[11:53.140 --> 11:55.020]  Plug one end into your line end.
[11:55.160 --> 11:57.260]  And one end just onto the headphone jack on your radio.
[11:58.500 --> 11:59.220]  And, um...
[11:59.220 --> 12:00.940]  Then you can change the volume on the radio.
[12:01.020 --> 12:01.800]  Change the volume on the computer.
[12:01.940 --> 12:03.840]  Whatever you need to do to make it sound good.
[12:04.480 --> 12:04.840]  Uh...
[12:04.840 --> 12:05.500]  So it's that simple.
[12:05.660 --> 12:06.800]  It's not really hard at all.
[12:07.480 --> 12:07.840]  And...
[12:08.380 --> 12:09.800]  It's a lot easier than real audio.
[12:10.220 --> 12:10.580]  As...
[12:10.580 --> 12:11.620]  Some of you can attest it.
[12:11.960 --> 12:13.700]  Because real audio has a lot of...
[12:14.460 --> 12:17.240]  Really fucked up things about it that we don't even want to talk about.
[12:17.560 --> 12:18.940]  It makes your machine...
[12:18.940 --> 12:22.000]  You can't do anything on your machine except encode real audio.
[12:22.400 --> 12:23.960]  And, I mean, I'm encoding right now.
[12:24.440 --> 12:27.220]  And as you guys can see, the machine is running.
[12:28.040 --> 12:29.020]  Just as fast as I mean.
[12:29.500 --> 12:31.460]  If I pull up this window, it just comes straight up.
[12:31.580 --> 12:37.360]  If I were doing real audio, it would take at least five seconds for that window even to come up.
[12:37.540 --> 12:40.740]  And as you're doing real audio, the system gets more and more lag.
[12:40.880 --> 12:41.640]  That was my experience.
[12:41.980 --> 12:43.200]  Is that what you guys experienced?
[12:44.020 --> 12:44.560]  The lag?
[12:45.300 --> 12:50.300]  Well, your system becomes slower and slower as you broadcast longer.
[12:50.560 --> 12:50.960]  Because it...
[12:50.960 --> 12:53.100]  I guess it needs more RAM as it goes along.
[12:53.180 --> 12:53.720]  I don't even know.
[12:53.720 --> 13:00.580]  But you have to have at least 128 mega RAM in your machine to even come close to having something to deal with it.
[13:00.880 --> 13:06.940]  I mean, that machine is a Pentium 3, 266, with 64 mega memory.
[13:11.100 --> 13:18.980]  But you don't need anything faster than, let's just say, you can do it with any machine that can run Winamp.
[13:19.520 --> 13:23.120]  Which is, I think, at least a Pentium 133.
[13:23.340 --> 13:24.500]  Or, if I'm not mistaken.
[13:25.080 --> 13:25.960]  But I'm not sure.
[13:26.400 --> 13:27.480]  So don't quote me on that.
[13:28.240 --> 13:34.200]  And a solid internet connection, as I said, encoding to the server, you can do it with the 56k.
[13:36.180 --> 13:39.600]  Encoding at 16 with 56k works okay.
[13:39.980 --> 13:43.440]  But you have to have a really solid 56k connection.
[13:43.760 --> 13:48.360]  And you cannot do anything sending data in or out while you're doing that.
[13:49.880 --> 13:52.180]  I mean, you can't surf the net while you're encoding.
[13:52.440 --> 13:54.820]  Because otherwise, it will lag up.
[13:54.820 --> 13:58.780]  And what happens when it lags up is basically the MP3 just stops playing.
[13:59.600 --> 14:04.460]  And when it gets enough, I guess, juice to start back up again, it starts playing again.
[14:04.660 --> 14:07.160]  So your audience actually doesn't miss anything when you lag up.
[14:07.220 --> 14:10.940]  But it pisses people off because it, you know, sucks in the sound concept.
[14:11.280 --> 14:13.740]  So that's basically my spiel on MP3.
[14:14.040 --> 14:14.980]  Are there any questions?
[14:15.340 --> 14:16.860]  Because I'm sure there are a lot.
[14:17.100 --> 14:19.220]  Because it's right here.
[14:20.440 --> 14:21.580]  Okay, what's your question?
[14:22.980 --> 14:23.440]  Multicasting...
[14:23.440 --> 14:25.260]  Or about...
[14:26.880 --> 14:28.220]  That's a really good question.
[14:29.020 --> 14:31.480]  I've never done multicasting myself.
[14:31.700 --> 14:32.820]  You mean at different bit rates, correct?
[14:35.120 --> 14:36.380]  Alright, I mean...
[14:36.380 --> 14:45.500]  So you're saying if you wanted to do a one cast at 16 kilobits for those who have slower modems such as 288, 56k.
[14:45.880 --> 14:53.660]  And then you wanted to do another one that sounded extremely good, like almost CD quality, which is say running at 56k or higher than that.
[14:54.180 --> 14:54.980]  How do you do that?
[14:55.100 --> 14:55.580]  Is that what you were asking?
[14:56.960 --> 14:58.560]  That's probably a good thing to answer too.
[14:58.700 --> 15:01.320]  But no, what I was just concerned about magic casting in general.
[15:01.680 --> 15:03.460]  Because, you know, we've got a limited amount of bandwidth.
[15:04.340 --> 15:06.360]  Before I ask you to buy a T3 or something.
[15:06.840 --> 15:15.780]  Well, as I said, because they're only going at 16 kilobits piece, I have the limit on my server at 100, which is probably too much.
[15:15.780 --> 15:21.400]  So if you do 16 times 100, I mean, that's 16, 1600.
[15:22.180 --> 15:26.440]  And a T3, I mean, T1 is 1500 kilobits.
[15:26.860 --> 15:27.920]  I mean, yeah.
[15:28.360 --> 15:32.380]  So it's actually too much, but I've never even gotten that high.
[15:32.540 --> 15:37.320]  The highest I've ever gone was, I think, 50 listeners when Kevin Mitnick was on the air.
[15:37.700 --> 15:38.780]  Let's hear it for Kevin, by the way.
[15:40.000 --> 15:41.240]  Okay, next question.
[15:41.340 --> 15:42.100]  Did I answer your question?
[15:42.240 --> 15:45.540]  Oh, just really quickly about encoding at different bit rates.
[15:45.540 --> 15:49.500]  You just need to run Shoutcast server on two different ports.
[15:50.440 --> 15:52.260]  Which is extremely easy to do.
[15:54.300 --> 15:56.540]  Yeah, two different copies of Shoutcast server.
[15:57.480 --> 16:03.020]  And I haven't done it, so I would guess that you would need to encode with two different computers.
[16:03.280 --> 16:04.320]  But I really don't know.
[16:05.060 --> 16:05.940]  I'm sorry to say.
[16:06.320 --> 16:06.700]  Okay, question.
[16:08.420 --> 16:10.440]  It's mostly about the bandwidth issue.
[16:10.640 --> 16:12.420]  Have you ever used it with 56k?
[16:12.420 --> 16:14.880]  It doesn't matter how many people can you get listening to this?
[16:15.840 --> 16:20.980]  Well, if you're encoding to the server with the 56k, usually it's fine.
[16:21.200 --> 16:24.200]  As I said, sometimes you get a little lag, which is not a big deal.
[16:24.440 --> 16:26.040]  But what you're actually doing...
[16:26.660 --> 16:30.160]  So here's you with your home computer encoding anything.
[16:30.360 --> 16:31.900]  Which is to say you're just playing MP3s.
[16:32.020 --> 16:32.840]  You don't have a mixer.
[16:32.860 --> 16:33.360]  You have nothing.
[16:33.680 --> 16:35.820]  You're just encoding MP3s just like I just was.
[16:36.620 --> 16:38.320]  Which is, as I said, extremely easy.
[16:38.840 --> 16:43.340]  What you're doing is it's going from your home machine to the server.
[16:43.620 --> 16:45.080]  So you're encoding to the server.
[16:45.080 --> 16:47.540]  That people are not listening to your machine.
[16:47.880 --> 16:49.780]  You're encoding to your Shoutcast server.
[16:49.940 --> 16:53.120]  Which in my case is on a T1 outside of my house.
[16:54.120 --> 16:56.420]  So you go from your machine to Shoutcast server.
[16:56.600 --> 16:58.620]  And then people go to that server.
[16:58.720 --> 17:01.420]  Which in my case is Hatsumedia.com port 8000.
[17:02.380 --> 17:03.620]  And they just in their Winamp.
[17:03.960 --> 17:06.800]  In most cases in any MP3 player you just type.
[17:06.800 --> 17:08.620]  I think in most cases.
[17:08.860 --> 17:09.460]  Control L.
[17:10.360 --> 17:11.260]  And then you just type in your address.
[17:13.000 --> 17:14.760]  Hotsoupmedia.com port 8000.
[17:14.940 --> 17:16.300]  So that's how you listen to it.
[17:16.440 --> 17:19.780]  And I've never had any problem with the server crappy now.
[17:20.880 --> 17:22.020]  Actually a few times.
[17:22.360 --> 17:23.380]  But let's not talk about it.
[17:23.620 --> 17:27.120]  If you're poor and you don't have access to a machine on a T1.
[17:27.380 --> 17:27.560]  Well I don't pay for it.
[17:27.640 --> 17:27.900]  I'm lucky.
[17:28.160 --> 17:28.460]  Yeah.
[17:30.560 --> 17:30.960]  Hotsoup.
[17:31.060 --> 17:33.520]  H-O-T-S-O-U-P media.com.
[17:34.080 --> 17:35.740]  Yes, we do websites by the way.
[17:36.860 --> 17:38.220]  But I'm not supposed to advertise.
[17:38.480 --> 17:39.840]  But I didn't just do that, did I?
[17:40.860 --> 17:41.540]  Not really.
[17:41.780 --> 17:43.460]  We do it all the time and off the hook anyway.
[17:43.980 --> 17:44.860]  I think we have another question.
[17:44.980 --> 17:45.680]  Well hang on a second.
[17:46.120 --> 17:46.460]  Okay.
[17:46.720 --> 17:48.000]  If you're not on a T1 line.
[17:48.120 --> 17:50.660]  And you're just trying to encode as a server from your machine.
[17:50.760 --> 17:51.700]  Which might have been what you're asking.
[17:53.180 --> 17:55.020]  You'll be lucky if you get three listeners.
[17:55.840 --> 17:57.810]  Of course it's going to lock up frequently.
[17:58.600 --> 18:00.280]  You're going to have to keep your bit rate way down.
[18:01.020 --> 18:01.320]  I'm sure.
[18:02.220 --> 18:04.080]  That's actually, he brings up a good point.
[18:04.080 --> 18:07.240]  There is not only a Shoutcast server for Linux.
[18:08.120 --> 18:08.280]  This.
[18:08.700 --> 18:09.080]  FreeBSD.
[18:09.220 --> 18:09.440]  Linux.
[18:09.720 --> 18:13.280]  You can actually run Shoutcast server on any Windows platforms.
[18:13.420 --> 18:15.140]  Let's just say you have a DSL line home.
[18:15.960 --> 18:16.340]  Or...
[18:16.340 --> 18:17.760]  Because it works best on a high speed connection.
[18:17.960 --> 18:18.900]  If you're running the server.
[18:19.120 --> 18:20.600]  Because you can serve up a lot of connections.
[18:20.860 --> 18:21.960]  And you can have a lot of people listening.
[18:21.960 --> 18:25.380]  I don't know if anyone's ever heard of Live365.com.
[18:25.460 --> 18:25.880]  Oh, yes.
[18:26.180 --> 18:26.900]  That is free.
[18:27.340 --> 18:27.380]  Excellent.
[18:27.640 --> 18:28.720]  MP3 hosting.
[18:29.020 --> 18:30.380]  And their servers are very good.
[18:30.600 --> 18:32.080]  It works very, very well.
[18:32.780 --> 18:34.440]  So you don't need anything.
[18:34.600 --> 18:35.520]  You need your home PC.
[18:35.860 --> 18:35.880]  Right.
[18:35.880 --> 18:37.040]  You encode to their servers.
[18:37.860 --> 18:37.880]  Yeah, you...
[18:37.880 --> 18:40.160]  Your listeners connect to their servers.
[18:40.160 --> 18:40.980]  All you're doing...
[18:40.980 --> 18:43.980]  All you need is enough bandwidth to get your signal to their server.
[18:44.120 --> 18:45.000]  And they take care of the rest.
[18:46.780 --> 18:48.100]  It's Live365.com.
[18:48.900 --> 18:49.500]  Totally free.
[18:49.660 --> 18:50.140]  Just sign up.
[18:51.100 --> 18:51.260]  All right.
[18:51.420 --> 18:52.020]  Am I okay?
[18:52.580 --> 18:52.880]  Okay.
[18:53.280 --> 18:55.340]  It's Live365.com as you said.
[18:57.900 --> 18:59.120]  And you need the same stuff.
[18:59.280 --> 18:59.960]  The DSP plugin.
[19:00.400 --> 19:01.460]  It's the same...
[19:02.640 --> 19:04.620]  You only need the things to encode with.
[19:04.680 --> 19:06.360]  You don't need the server software at that point.
[19:06.560 --> 19:07.940]  You don't need the server software.
[19:08.060 --> 19:08.600]  I don't know if you can hear it.
[19:08.680 --> 19:09.780]  You don't need the server software.
[19:09.980 --> 19:11.360]  But having your own server is nice sometimes.
[19:11.360 --> 19:12.880]  Because you can do whatever the fuck you want.
[19:12.880 --> 19:18.200]  But that works if you don't have a T1 accessible like me.
[19:18.800 --> 19:20.440]  Or a high speed connection home.
[19:21.300 --> 19:21.460]  All right.
[19:22.080 --> 19:23.920]  Does somebody want to pass the mic back to him?
[19:27.350 --> 19:31.390]  What software do you use to receive your own stream?
[19:33.130 --> 19:33.730]  Any...
[19:33.730 --> 19:34.650]  The answer is...
[19:34.650 --> 19:35.670]  The question was...
[19:35.670 --> 19:36.110]  I don't know if you heard.
[19:36.350 --> 19:39.250]  What software do you use to play your MP3 stream?
[19:39.530 --> 19:41.070]  The answer to that is...
[19:41.070 --> 19:42.990]  Almost any MP3 player.
[19:42.990 --> 19:44.630]  I don't know about...
[19:44.630 --> 19:46.910]  I'm pretty sure that XMS does it.
[19:47.150 --> 19:48.710]  I know X11Amp does it.
[19:49.170 --> 19:51.390]  I know WinAmp does it.
[19:51.510 --> 19:53.310]  And I know IceCast player does it.
[19:55.150 --> 19:56.350]  MacAmp does it as well now.
[19:56.410 --> 19:57.330]  Oh, and...
[19:57.330 --> 19:58.490]  Sorry to say it, but...
[19:58.490 --> 19:59.430]  RealPlayer does it too.
[19:59.810 --> 20:00.690]  And so does...
[20:00.690 --> 20:02.030]  Windows Media Player does it too.
[20:02.090 --> 20:03.190]  I just tried that today.
[20:03.550 --> 20:04.390]  And it works.
[20:05.170 --> 20:05.650]  Uh...
[20:05.650 --> 20:06.450]  Do you have another...
[20:06.450 --> 20:07.270]  You ask a question.
[20:08.850 --> 20:09.330]  Uh...
[20:09.330 --> 20:09.990]  You can...
[20:09.990 --> 20:10.470]  Even...
[20:10.470 --> 20:13.750]  Even if you don't have a more advanced MP3 player...
[20:13.750 --> 20:14.870]  What you can do...
[20:14.870 --> 20:15.690]  Like if you're in...
[20:15.690 --> 20:16.530]  In Unix...
[20:16.530 --> 20:17.230]  You can...
[20:17.230 --> 20:19.530]  Use WGIT, which is a program which allows you...
[20:19.530 --> 20:20.590]  It acts kind of like...
[20:20.590 --> 20:22.450]  NCFTPGIT except for it's web-based.
[20:22.670 --> 20:24.730]  And you can actually download the file...
[20:24.730 --> 20:27.430]  To your hard drive and make a link...
[20:28.230 --> 20:28.670]  To...
[20:29.130 --> 20:29.570]  .mp3...
[20:29.570 --> 20:30.290]  It might be CGI.
[20:30.670 --> 20:32.490]  And then open that file...
[20:32.490 --> 20:33.690]  With your MP3 player.
[20:33.930 --> 20:34.390]  And it works.
[20:34.730 --> 20:35.050]  Yeah.
[20:35.450 --> 20:36.170]  I know people have done that.
[20:36.630 --> 20:36.990]  Um...
[20:36.990 --> 20:37.690]  Your question back there.
[20:37.770 --> 20:38.830]  Can you just shout really loud?
[20:39.070 --> 20:40.290]  Would it sync...
[20:40.290 --> 20:41.710]  As you have the...
[20:41.710 --> 20:42.230]  Shell count...
[20:43.870 --> 20:45.450]  Would it safely...
[20:45.450 --> 20:46.470]  A bandwidth...
[20:46.470 --> 20:48.150]  To just running right off of that server?
[20:48.330 --> 20:48.710]  Yes.
[20:48.890 --> 20:49.470]  You can do that.
[20:49.590 --> 20:50.690]  But the only reason I did it...
[20:51.390 --> 20:52.470]  Is to uh...
[20:52.470 --> 20:53.250]  Just show you...
[20:53.250 --> 20:53.810]  What it does.
[20:53.950 --> 20:54.710]  Because as you can see...
[20:54.710 --> 20:55.750]  I don't know if you noticed...
[20:55.750 --> 20:57.110]  But if I disconnect here...
[20:57.690 --> 20:59.590]  It keeps full logs of all connections.
[21:00.130 --> 21:01.470]  So if I reconnect here...
[21:01.470 --> 21:03.110]  It shows exactly what my IP is.
[21:03.330 --> 21:03.930]  It shows...
[21:03.930 --> 21:05.430]  What the title of my stream is.
[21:05.510 --> 21:06.050]  It shows everything.
[21:06.790 --> 21:07.090]  Um...
[21:07.090 --> 21:07.570]  So...
[21:07.570 --> 21:09.810]  If somebody decides to fuck up your server...
[21:09.810 --> 21:10.490]  You'll know about it.
[21:10.570 --> 21:11.550]  And I've had that happen.
[21:11.710 --> 21:13.290]  Because it keeps really good logs.
[21:14.950 --> 21:15.310]  Um...
[21:15.310 --> 21:15.810]  And there's also...
[21:16.590 --> 21:17.310]  Real quick...
[21:17.310 --> 21:18.170]  I don't know how much time I have.
[21:18.230 --> 21:18.930]  How much time do I have?
[21:19.370 --> 21:19.730]  Uh...
[21:19.730 --> 21:20.510]  Like 20 minutes.
[21:21.450 --> 21:21.810]  Um...
[21:21.810 --> 21:23.110]  I'll take more questions in a second.
[21:23.750 --> 21:24.110]  But...
[21:24.110 --> 21:24.570]  Um...
[21:25.670 --> 21:27.970]  It also has web-based administration.
[21:28.350 --> 21:29.170]  Which is very cool.
[21:30.210 --> 21:30.390]  Um...
[21:30.390 --> 21:30.830]  If you go...
[21:32.150 --> 21:35.650]  www.opsypm.com And then...
[21:35.650 --> 21:36.610]  Port 8000...
[21:36.610 --> 21:37.110]  Your browser.
[21:38.210 --> 21:38.810]  Uh...
[21:38.810 --> 21:39.770]  It brings up...
[21:39.770 --> 21:40.530]  Server page.
[21:40.730 --> 21:41.830]  And then you can go to...
[21:41.830 --> 21:42.870]  Your admin login.
[21:43.690 --> 21:45.110]  I'm not gonna tell you what the password is.
[21:47.390 --> 21:48.310]  It didn't show up.
[21:48.390 --> 21:49.050]  It doesn't help me.
[21:52.890 --> 21:53.270]  Alright.
[21:54.930 --> 21:56.210]  And you can...
[21:58.530 --> 21:58.910]  Um...
[21:59.550 --> 22:01.990]  You can kick off listeners if they're a pain in the ass.
[22:02.250 --> 22:03.450]  You can do all kinds of stuff.
[22:03.510 --> 22:04.570]  You can ban IPs.
[22:04.670 --> 22:06.270]  You can ban whole blocks of IPs.
[22:06.530 --> 22:08.190]  You can do any shit you want.
[22:08.270 --> 22:09.430]  Which is really, really cool.
[22:10.230 --> 22:10.630]  And...
[22:11.590 --> 22:11.990]  Um...
[22:12.430 --> 22:12.830]  It's...
[22:12.830 --> 22:13.030]  It's...
[22:13.030 --> 22:13.790]  It's really nice.
[22:13.930 --> 22:15.270]  The Shoutcast program is really nice.
[22:15.390 --> 22:17.590]  I don't think live 365 does that.
[22:17.850 --> 22:19.250]  And that's the only reason I don't use it.
[22:19.250 --> 22:19.870]  Right.
[22:20.110 --> 22:20.590]  You can get...
[22:20.590 --> 22:24.530]  You can actually turn it into live 365 server on your port.
[22:24.650 --> 22:25.850]  And get a log file back.
[22:26.050 --> 22:26.850]  But it's not live.
[22:26.970 --> 22:27.470]  I didn't know that.
[22:27.690 --> 22:28.590]  That's good information.
[22:29.430 --> 22:29.870]  Um...
[22:29.870 --> 22:29.970]  Okay.
[22:30.850 --> 22:31.290]  Right.
[22:31.510 --> 22:33.390]  I'm just gonna tally off.
[22:33.530 --> 22:34.030]  Right here.
[22:40.210 --> 22:40.650]  Yeah.
[22:41.510 --> 22:41.950]  Um...
[22:41.950 --> 22:43.490]  I think I already answered that.
[22:43.690 --> 22:44.110]  But...
[22:44.110 --> 22:46.390]  You can do that by hooking a mixer up.
[22:46.610 --> 22:49.130]  And you can also hook just a mic in your microphone jack.
[22:49.590 --> 22:52.350]  And go into your recording settings and select your microphone.
[22:54.990 --> 22:55.530]  Uh oh.
[22:56.050 --> 22:57.430]  I just noticed what you were telling me.
[23:00.570 --> 23:02.030]  I just noticed what you were telling me.
[23:02.090 --> 23:02.810]  I saw what you were doing.
[23:03.530 --> 23:05.050]  I guess I'll have to change the password now.
[23:07.170 --> 23:07.530]  Yeah.
[23:07.610 --> 23:10.550]  Yes, the password is transfer to plain text for those people out there.
[23:17.390 --> 23:17.750]  Yes.
[23:18.830 --> 23:20.270]  As long as you...
[23:20.270 --> 23:20.590]  As long as you...
[23:20.590 --> 23:20.630]  As...
[23:20.630 --> 23:23.810]  You can talk in through a mic with any line in into your computer.
[23:23.990 --> 23:26.270]  You just have to select it in the recording settings like I did.
[23:26.890 --> 23:27.070]  Uh...
[23:27.070 --> 23:28.490]  And as I said, make sure the levels are good.
[23:28.630 --> 23:30.630]  Because otherwise you'll blast people out or they won't be able to hear it.
[23:31.530 --> 23:31.850]  Uh...
[23:31.850 --> 23:32.150]  Right here.
[23:34.810 --> 23:37.610]  To actually talk through the microphone now to uh...
[23:38.150 --> 23:39.330]  Thank you.
[23:39.530 --> 23:40.090]  I missed that.
[23:40.590 --> 23:40.750]  Alright.
[23:41.290 --> 23:46.130]  To talk on a microphone or to go from a line in, you have to download a separate plugin.
[23:46.290 --> 23:46.810]  It's called...
[23:46.810 --> 23:48.990]  The Live Rec plugin.
[23:49.570 --> 23:49.870]  Uh...
[23:49.870 --> 23:53.650]  And all you have to do is download unzip the zip file in Windows.
[23:54.710 --> 23:55.130]  Um...
[23:55.130 --> 23:56.850]  It's just as easy in Unix, I'm sure.
[23:57.510 --> 23:57.590]  Right.
[23:57.650 --> 23:59.290]  But uh...
[24:00.310 --> 24:03.900]  Unzip the zip file and put it into Winamp plugins directory and then go to...
[24:19.430 --> 24:19.850]  Uh...
[24:19.850 --> 24:20.030]  I guess...
[24:20.030 --> 24:21.990]  I know it's on a Windows machine so it's kind of an Oxford one.
[24:22.190 --> 24:22.770]  But it's really cool.
[24:27.120 --> 24:29.520]  If there are any young children in this room, please close your eyes.
[24:33.600 --> 24:34.360]  Attrition.com.
[24:34.460 --> 24:37.340]  www.attrition.org.
[24:37.520 --> 24:42.640]  A-T-T-R-I-T-I-O-N.org.
[24:43.260 --> 24:46.020]  And they have all kinds of really weird pictures on there.
[24:46.240 --> 24:46.380]  Okay.
[24:46.940 --> 24:47.540]  Right there.
[24:47.540 --> 24:48.840]  I have a question for David.
[24:49.120 --> 24:49.420]  I think Kirk.
[24:50.120 --> 24:50.520]  Uh...
[24:50.520 --> 24:51.200]  In terms of...
[24:51.200 --> 24:52.720]  The real Wizard of Oz.
[24:53.320 --> 24:55.160]  In terms of resources.
[24:55.500 --> 24:56.180]  You talked about bandwidth.
[24:56.440 --> 24:57.340]  You talked about...
[24:57.340 --> 24:58.140]  Uh...
[24:58.140 --> 24:58.420]  Uh...
[24:58.420 --> 24:58.820]  Physical memory.
[24:59.380 --> 25:00.760]  Is there going to be multiple...
[25:02.280 --> 25:03.700]  Broadcasting multiple bit rates.
[25:04.020 --> 25:05.600]  The machine that does the encoding.
[25:05.780 --> 25:06.980]  How is CPU resourcing?
[25:07.500 --> 25:10.320]  Are we talking MP3 specifically?
[25:10.680 --> 25:10.900]  Yeah.
[25:11.040 --> 25:12.040]  MP3 are real audio.
[25:12.260 --> 25:13.140]  There's a big difference there.
[25:13.300 --> 25:13.380]  MP3.
[25:13.400 --> 25:13.800]  Yeah.
[25:13.800 --> 25:16.360]  MP3 is a lot lighter load than real audio.
[25:16.940 --> 25:17.400]  Um...
[25:17.400 --> 25:18.720]  I mean I know when I...
[25:18.720 --> 25:19.360]  I'm sorry.
[25:19.560 --> 25:20.820]  If you're involved in it...
[25:20.820 --> 25:21.580]  It would be like...
[25:22.880 --> 25:23.340]  Well...
[25:23.340 --> 25:24.180]  Um...
[25:24.180 --> 25:25.700]  All I know is that when I do one.
[25:26.680 --> 25:27.500]  There's like...
[25:27.500 --> 25:28.840]  At least...
[25:28.840 --> 25:31.640]  95% processor resources free.
[25:32.120 --> 25:33.900]  So it's extremely low load.
[25:34.020 --> 25:35.320]  Even when you have let's just say...
[25:35.320 --> 25:36.700]  35 people listening.
[25:36.920 --> 25:39.260]  You can have as much as 90% free.
[25:39.440 --> 25:40.420]  That's a 266.
[25:40.600 --> 25:40.800]  Yeah.
[25:40.800 --> 25:41.360]  I...
[25:41.360 --> 25:43.300]  My server is a...
[25:43.920 --> 25:44.280]  K6...
[25:44.760 --> 25:45.120]  266.
[25:45.420 --> 25:45.780]  With...
[25:45.780 --> 25:46.740]  120 mega memory.
[25:47.060 --> 25:47.480]  But no do.
[25:47.600 --> 25:48.600]  I just upgraded that.
[25:49.020 --> 25:49.740]  It was...
[25:49.860 --> 25:51.100]  Your encoding machine now?
[25:51.260 --> 25:51.460]  No.
[25:51.720 --> 25:53.600]  That's where you're gonna get the...
[25:53.600 --> 25:55.120]  The encoding machine...
[25:55.120 --> 25:56.880]  All it has to be is a Pentium 133.
[25:57.060 --> 25:58.360]  It just has to be able to run with it.
[25:59.000 --> 25:59.520]  That's all.
[25:59.620 --> 26:00.640]  And be on a decent connection.
[26:01.080 --> 26:01.760]  There's not a lot of...
[26:01.760 --> 26:02.340]  That's what you're asking, right?
[26:02.340 --> 26:06.440]  Like if you're encoding this stuff, you wanna know how that's gonna slow down your PC.
[26:06.620 --> 26:07.300]  Not much at all.
[26:07.520 --> 26:07.540]  Right.
[26:07.660 --> 26:08.400]  Not much at all.
[26:08.480 --> 26:09.020]  That's the answer.
[26:09.100 --> 26:09.780]  Same as the server.
[26:10.160 --> 26:12.060]  All the software is in sleep and night load.
[26:13.160 --> 26:16.280]  I do one of the real audio streams right now for the radio show.
[26:16.500 --> 26:22.440]  And I can tell you by example, I had a Pentium 200 running the real encoder.
[26:22.760 --> 26:24.100]  I was able to use...
[26:24.700 --> 26:26.840]  I think I was using MIRC for IRC.
[26:27.200 --> 26:28.840]  And browse the web at the same time.
[26:28.960 --> 26:29.940]  And it didn't slow down.
[26:30.500 --> 26:34.320]  My biggest fear was just my bandwidth overloading that.
[26:34.620 --> 26:35.980]  I didn't want to interrupt the stream.
[26:36.160 --> 26:37.620]  But it didn't affect the PC at all.
[26:37.900 --> 26:39.420]  And MP3 is even less than that.
[26:39.420 --> 26:39.480]  Yeah.
[26:39.520 --> 26:40.680]  How much RAM did that machine have?
[26:40.760 --> 26:41.080]  Just curious.
[26:41.320 --> 26:44.300]  That machine had 64 megs.
[26:44.540 --> 26:44.760]  Okay.
[26:45.080 --> 26:45.220]  Yeah.
[26:45.720 --> 26:49.400]  From what I recall, any less than 64 megs is gonna slow down your machine big time.
[26:49.600 --> 26:54.460]  But all you need is a 133 with 32 meg of memory, if I'm not mistaken, to run with AMP.
[26:54.700 --> 26:55.620]  And then you can stream out.
[26:56.380 --> 26:57.580]  Same for my other question here.
[26:58.740 --> 26:59.980]  I've seen it done before.
[27:00.200 --> 27:06.360]  I was just wondering how you mix what you're saying, the line rack and the MP3 file.
[27:07.360 --> 27:09.720]  With a MP3 file?
[27:10.780 --> 27:11.340]  Okay.
[27:11.800 --> 27:14.040]  The only way that I've ever done that...
[27:14.040 --> 27:21.420]  The question is, how do you play an MP3 and speak over it at the same time, right?
[27:21.420 --> 27:22.080]  Okay.
[27:22.580 --> 27:26.820]  The only way that I've found to do that is set up the line recording on one computer.
[27:28.440 --> 27:30.760]  With a mixer...
[27:30.760 --> 27:35.240]  Because the people that I know who do this, that's the only way... this is the only way you can do it.
[27:36.160 --> 27:37.660]  Line in into that machine.
[27:38.500 --> 27:41.580]  Have a microphone hooked into your mixer.
[27:43.440 --> 27:48.480]  And then hook another computer into a line on your mixer.
[27:48.880 --> 27:49.840]  And that's how you can do it.
[27:49.940 --> 27:50.900]  That's the only way I know.
[27:51.000 --> 27:52.020]  That's the way Anakin did it.
[27:52.580 --> 27:54.560]  That's how Mennonite does it.
[27:54.720 --> 27:55.480]  That's how Sardonic...
[27:55.480 --> 27:57.260]  Mennonite and Sardonic, that's how they all did it.
[27:59.040 --> 28:01.420]  Yes, you can do it with a full 2x sound card, but...
[28:03.420 --> 28:06.200]  I don't want to say that not a lot of people have them, but...
[28:06.200 --> 28:08.720]  Not everybody has them, so that's why...
[28:08.720 --> 28:14.500]  If you have like, let's just say, a Sound Western Live like Sardonic does, and like Jono does, right?
[28:15.280 --> 28:20.020]  You can do it that way, and that works even better, because you don't have to worry about all kinds of wires and shit.
[28:20.200 --> 28:24.480]  You don't have to buy a new fucking mixer for just doing a fucking broadcast of Shoutcast.
[28:25.240 --> 28:28.600]  Because it can turn into a really expensive endeavor if you're not careful.
[28:30.300 --> 28:32.280]  I'm just going to take some questions from the back, I'm sorry.
[28:32.840 --> 28:34.480]  That gentleman there with two hands up.
[28:36.820 --> 28:38.760]  Licensing status for Shoutcast server.
[28:38.940 --> 28:42.400]  Last I looked, I thought there was some restrictive licensing on the Shoutcast server.
[28:42.760 --> 28:43.760]  I couldn't hear a word.
[28:44.020 --> 28:45.440]  Shoutcast server licensing.
[28:46.120 --> 28:48.560]  Oh, it's open source, it's free.
[28:48.860 --> 28:49.920]  The Shoutcast server?
[28:50.060 --> 28:54.020]  If you're using it for commercial use, if I'm not mistaken, you're supposed to pay something.
[28:54.020 --> 28:54.180]  Yeah.
[28:56.940 --> 28:58.800]  But, it's just like what Netscape says.
[28:58.940 --> 29:01.580]  If you're using it for commercial use, you're supposed to pay 50 bucks.
[29:02.380 --> 29:03.620]  But, who does that?
[29:03.840 --> 29:04.540]  That's my question.
[29:04.640 --> 29:07.340]  If a corporation uses it, you're supposed to pay 50 bucks a copy.
[29:08.500 --> 29:10.060]  But, that's what Shoutcast say.
[29:10.160 --> 29:13.320]  I think it's like 30 bucks if you're using it for commercial use.
[29:13.320 --> 29:15.020]  If you were doing a radio station.
[29:15.020 --> 29:16.460]  I know one local radio station.
[29:16.600 --> 29:16.680]  I know one local radio station.
[29:16.680 --> 29:18.080]  You're going to be casting MP3.
[29:19.440 --> 29:20.940]  So, that would be the only case.
[29:21.240 --> 29:22.300]  So, it's really, really inexpensive.
[29:23.240 --> 29:24.400]  You had one in a year.
[29:25.800 --> 29:26.420]  Yeah, okay.
[29:26.520 --> 29:27.160]  So, I think that lied.
[29:27.280 --> 29:28.580]  Maybe you didn't answer my question before.
[29:28.680 --> 29:30.840]  But, what about broadcasting over the EMBO?
[29:30.960 --> 29:32.120]  Can you say bandwidth that way?
[29:33.980 --> 29:34.400]  The what?
[29:36.280 --> 29:38.080]  Broadcasting on the same machine?
[29:42.800 --> 29:43.240]  Sorry?
[29:43.860 --> 29:45.380]  Yes, but Shoutcast doesn't do that.
[29:47.640 --> 29:48.980]  I know what you're talking about.
[29:49.000 --> 29:50.340]  I don't know the answer to that question.
[29:50.560 --> 29:50.820]  I'm sorry.
[29:51.420 --> 29:52.260]  I've never noticed that.
[29:52.480 --> 29:53.920]  Dollars is the limitation there.
[29:54.340 --> 29:55.740]  To broadcast over the EMBO.
[29:55.900 --> 29:58.080]  And it's my understanding that it costs a lot of money to do so.
[29:58.460 --> 29:59.080]  I didn't know that.
[29:59.120 --> 30:01.740]  It would be really cool if we did it.
[30:02.220 --> 30:07.240]  But, actually doing off the hook shows, we get like 200 to 300 listeners.
[30:07.240 --> 30:08.340]  Depending on...
[30:08.340 --> 30:09.580]  Usually about 150.
[30:09.880 --> 30:11.020]  Yeah, it's 150 now.
[30:11.340 --> 30:13.020]  With Real Audio and MP3 combined.
[30:13.180 --> 30:14.920]  It's been going down slowly.
[30:15.200 --> 30:19.460]  But, we don't have enough listeners to even think about starting.
[30:19.620 --> 30:22.100]  I looked into the EMBO in the very beginning when we first started this.
[30:22.520 --> 30:24.380]  And back then it costed a lot of money.
[30:24.920 --> 30:26.280]  They wanted you to develop.
[30:26.420 --> 30:27.940]  Are there any questions in the way back?
[30:28.200 --> 30:29.700]  Because I know I haven't paid much attention.
[30:29.940 --> 30:30.900]  Like in the way, way back.
[30:31.680 --> 30:31.980]  No?
[30:32.400 --> 30:33.180]  Don't hear me.
[30:34.080 --> 30:34.520]  Alright.
[30:35.360 --> 30:35.800]  Okay.
[30:35.800 --> 30:39.580]  I should probably actually talk a little bit about actually running a radio station.
[30:39.920 --> 30:41.840]  Because that surprised a lot of people.
[30:42.480 --> 30:46.260]  I think Anakin was the first person to do it off the hook after dark.
[30:46.920 --> 30:49.400]  And he was sort of really...
[30:49.400 --> 30:50.780]  I mean everybody was listening.
[30:50.960 --> 30:54.300]  There were I think like 40 listeners or something that stayed on after off the hook.
[30:54.300 --> 30:56.480]  But then he realized...
[30:56.480 --> 30:57.100]  What do I say?
[30:57.760 --> 30:58.800]  And it's kind of...
[30:58.800 --> 31:03.140]  It's really difficult when you're actually in front of a big group of people to decide.
[31:03.140 --> 31:03.920]  What are you going to say?
[31:04.040 --> 31:05.060]  How are you going to fill this time?
[31:05.300 --> 31:07.020]  Are you going to be able to make it worth their time?
[31:07.960 --> 31:08.280]  Right.
[31:08.480 --> 31:09.140]  I mean...
[31:09.140 --> 31:10.220]  I know I've...
[31:10.740 --> 31:11.140]  I've...
[31:11.140 --> 31:13.180]  Mennonite and Sardonic usually do after dark.
[31:13.400 --> 31:14.480]  And they usually prepare.
[31:14.580 --> 31:15.500]  They're usually okay.
[31:16.520 --> 31:18.700]  Yeah, I just lied by the way.
[31:18.860 --> 31:21.160]  I was just saying that for people who don't listen.
[31:21.300 --> 31:26.240]  Usually the show is so chaotic that you rip your hairs out during the show.
[31:26.400 --> 31:29.000]  They're usually beating the living fuck out of each other.
[31:29.260 --> 31:31.560]  Or if they do prepare, it falls apart right now.
[31:31.560 --> 31:32.520]  Yeah, usually it falls apart.
[31:32.660 --> 31:34.780]  Usually they're like, this show is the worst show.
[31:34.900 --> 31:37.720]  Every show according to them is the worst show they've ever done.
[31:39.360 --> 31:42.080]  And they usually end up just talking to me or something.
[31:42.260 --> 31:43.100]  They still listen.
[31:43.460 --> 31:44.380]  Yeah, they still listen.
[31:44.480 --> 31:45.120]  I don't know why.
[31:45.120 --> 31:46.300]  I haven't figured that out yet.
[31:46.900 --> 31:53.420]  But the answer is, I don't know if it's a question, but just always have something to talk about.
[31:53.860 --> 32:04.800]  People usually, especially from my experience with the After Dark community, just the hacker community in general, they're willing to listen to pretty much anything you have to say as long as it's useful.
[32:05.820 --> 32:14.400]  I know, when I'm on the show, I usually just, like I did the show this Tuesday, because Mennonite and Sardonic could not.
[32:16.020 --> 32:20.560]  And all I did was just have some people call up that were doing panels at H2K.
[32:21.720 --> 32:28.280]  And even to people who are not going to H2K, that's interesting, because it lets them know what shit we're doing over here.
[32:29.440 --> 32:40.200]  And like, Mr. called in, and told us all about our Redford Computing panel, which I think, even to people who are not here, it was interesting just to see that there are people interested in that.
[32:41.440 --> 32:46.440]  So, just any content that you think anybody is going to be interested in is usually pretty good.
[32:47.060 --> 32:51.640]  And the biggest mistake that people usually make is playing tons of music and never talk.
[32:52.480 --> 32:53.900]  So, if you can talk, talk.
[32:55.600 --> 32:58.140]  I am guilty of that.
[32:58.940 --> 33:04.520]  I tend to play a lot of music and not talk, and I'm kind of stopping doing that.
[33:05.540 --> 33:10.100]  If you guys want to say something, I'm sorry, I'm just kind of hogging the microphone.
[33:10.520 --> 33:12.380]  In the back there, in the white shirt?
[33:12.800 --> 33:15.080]  How do you find stations that are on the net?
[33:15.600 --> 33:17.240]  How do you find stations that are on the net?
[33:17.800 --> 33:19.600]  In real audio or MP3?
[33:20.640 --> 33:21.160]  Any.
[33:21.480 --> 33:28.740]  Alright, well, I know that if you broadcast over Shoutcast, if you have... No, they're all...
[33:28.740 --> 33:31.920]  They have a searchable database on their website.
[33:32.420 --> 33:41.300]  The users, the servers that have like a large amount of listeners are listed on their homepage immediately.
[33:41.300 --> 33:45.460]  I don't know if you saw that over there when I did it, but they're listed on their homepage immediately.
[33:45.460 --> 33:50.540]  And then, if you click somewhere, I forget where it is on the page, because honestly I've used it once.
[33:52.800 --> 33:53.280]  Um...
[33:53.280 --> 33:55.300]  And you can search by categories and such.
[33:55.300 --> 33:56.420]  It's YP dot...
[33:57.260 --> 33:58.840]  YP dot shoutcast dot com.
[33:58.960 --> 33:59.820]  That's for yellow pages.
[34:00.120 --> 34:00.320]  Yeah.
[34:00.500 --> 34:06.660]  And you can search genres, you can search almost anything by the address that it's guessing.
[34:06.980 --> 34:08.440]  I thought I saw a hand there.
[34:08.440 --> 34:08.460]  Yeah.
[34:09.560 --> 34:09.920]  Um...
[34:09.920 --> 34:12.540]  Is there any legal problems, like, uh...
[34:12.540 --> 34:13.920]  Well, trying to transmit...
[34:13.920 --> 34:14.740]  I mean, because if you...
[34:14.740 --> 34:17.060]  Like ASCAP, having to play ASCAP and stuff?
[34:17.920 --> 34:28.140]  Well, no, I mean, if you're trying to transmit a privately owned dual date to public audience that's illegal, you know, by copyright laws, are there any problems like that with this, because if you're privately owned music and you're passing any...
[34:29.260 --> 34:30.940]  I mean, it doesn't have, like, pirate radio?
[34:31.220 --> 34:31.900]  Yes, it is.
[34:32.720 --> 34:34.240]  It's exactly the same thing.
[34:34.800 --> 34:36.920]  Except that there is no governing body on the internet.
[34:38.060 --> 34:44.880]  So that's the best part, is we can swear, we can play any music we want, and we can talk about it anything we want without anybody saying anything.
[34:44.880 --> 34:47.420]  But can't they still get you for violating a copyright law?
[34:47.580 --> 34:48.300]  Theoretically, yes.
[34:48.660 --> 34:50.320]  It hasn't gone through the courts yet.
[34:50.760 --> 34:55.640]  Um, it will be kind of interesting when it does, and, uh, I'm not really sure which side the record company...
[34:55.640 --> 35:02.020]  The record companies seem to be taking the side of, you can't play this no matter what, even though, you know, we're kind of like another radio station.
[35:02.680 --> 35:07.960]  Um, just like any other radio station which plays music and gets paid by the record companies to do so.
[35:08.600 --> 35:13.240]  So, don't they need to get certain, like, licenses to publicly transfer music?
[35:13.240 --> 35:18.520]  Yes, by, from ASCAP, which is, I don't know what that means, I forget what the acronym means, but, and then BMI.
[35:18.800 --> 35:20.720]  They're basically the people who divvy out the royalties.
[35:21.020 --> 35:22.420]  That's what radio stations do.
[35:25.440 --> 35:26.000]  Thank you.
[35:26.120 --> 35:29.780]  American Society of Composers and Performers, and I forget, do you know what BMI is?
[35:31.120 --> 35:32.180]  Broadcast Music International.
[35:32.680 --> 35:34.260]  Broadcast Music International.
[35:34.380 --> 35:35.380]  Broadcast Music International.
[35:35.700 --> 35:37.360]  So that covers more of the international stuff like this.
[35:37.580 --> 35:39.080]  Alright, we have a question up front here.
[35:39.080 --> 35:39.880]  It's actually,
[35:52.250 --> 35:55.630]  it's free, you don't have some bad news, but it's free.
[35:58.350 --> 35:59.770]  You said, is it Game Spy?
[36:00.330 --> 36:00.770]  GameSpy.
[36:01.970 --> 36:03.210]  GameSpy.com, right?
[36:03.970 --> 36:05.550]  And, uh, what is the program called again?
[36:05.690 --> 36:06.430]  Radio Spy.
[36:06.610 --> 36:07.470]  Radio Spy.
[36:07.570 --> 36:10.350]  Now, Radio Spy, and he says you can search for Snapchat guest services.
[36:10.530 --> 36:11.290]  We have this question over here.
[36:25.400 --> 36:31.300]  Um, I read an article in Yahoo Internet Life, which is actually a really interesting magazine.
[36:31.300 --> 36:32.740]  They have a lot of cool gadgets and stuff.
[36:33.180 --> 36:36.920]  But they use, the sites that they have in the back, if anybody's read it, they're always extremely bad.
[36:37.420 --> 36:40.580]  So if you're gonna buy it for just Internet life stuff, don't.
[36:41.260 --> 36:42.880]  I just like reading one page in it.
[36:42.940 --> 36:43.540]  That's pretty much it.
[36:43.900 --> 36:45.760]  Uh, which is about cool new stuff.
[36:46.600 --> 36:54.580]  Um, there is, they're coming out with, you install some software on your computer, you put a little in, like, a little airport on the side of your computer, just a little antenna or something.
[36:54.580 --> 36:57.500]  And they have this radio that you can bring around your house.
[36:58.060 --> 37:01.020]  Uh, otherwise, you just listen to it right under computer speakers.
[37:01.160 --> 37:05.860]  I know people who hook up wireless headphones up to their computer, and you can walk around the house.
[37:05.980 --> 37:06.840]  But that'll cost money.
[37:07.040 --> 37:09.260]  But basically, you need a computer to listen to it.
[37:09.280 --> 37:10.740]  Yeah, that's, that's the only downside.
[37:10.980 --> 37:13.300]  There's no box you can buy and just plug a wire in and then I'll get Internet radio.
[37:13.480 --> 37:14.520]  That's the only downside.
[37:14.920 --> 37:16.660]  You have to have a computer to listen to it.
[37:16.660 --> 37:18.720]  And the majority, I think, almost 100%.
[37:19.280 --> 37:19.520]  There should be.
[37:19.720 --> 37:20.080]  Yeah.
[37:20.180 --> 37:20.780]  Someone should make one.
[37:20.940 --> 37:21.800]  Yeah, almost 100%.
[37:21.800 --> 37:22.580]  There is one.
[37:22.980 --> 37:23.280]  Is there?
[37:23.440 --> 37:24.480]  Yes, it's called Curvango.
[37:24.800 --> 37:25.680]  Alright, I was wrong.
[37:25.800 --> 37:26.580]  There is one, apparently.
[37:26.820 --> 37:27.240]  What's it called?
[37:27.640 --> 37:28.640]  Curvango, if I'm not mistaken.
[37:29.400 --> 37:29.760]  Curvango?
[37:30.040 --> 37:30.220]  Yes.
[37:30.620 --> 37:31.460]  I've seen it once.