[00:00.000 --> 00:00.780]  Thank you.
[00:00.980 --> 00:01.540]  Good morning.
[00:02.340 --> 00:06.180]  Once again, I am proud to lead off the second track of the HOPE conference.
[00:06.780 --> 00:15.200]  This is because of my roots as a phone phreak and the roots of 2600 Magazine, host of this conference as a phone phreak newsletter back in 1984 when they started out.
[00:15.620 --> 00:18.480]  Just as I was dropping the ball on tap, but that's a whole other story.
[00:19.460 --> 00:21.580]  My talk this morning is on the future of phreaking.
[00:24.180 --> 00:25.320]  Bring the lock top up.
[00:27.220 --> 00:28.840]  Can we bring the other microphone up, please?
[00:34.530 --> 00:35.590]  Oh, okay.
[00:36.830 --> 00:38.030]  Yeah, okay.
[00:38.410 --> 00:44.210]  So, first off, I like to work with web pages, not apps.
[00:45.730 --> 00:52.490]  I'm looking at cheshirecatalyst.com, which is a link to my schedule for this conference.
[00:53.250 --> 00:55.390]  This QR code will get you there as well.
[00:57.050 --> 01:01.930]  And if you click on Friday's schedule, there you are.
[01:02.310 --> 01:05.470]  Now, if you're doing this on your mobile phone, you'll have the times at the top.
[01:05.930 --> 01:10.890]  If you are on an older phone with one of those five-way navigators, you can navigate to the time of day you want.
[01:10.890 --> 01:12.470]  Click on that.
[01:12.630 --> 01:12.910]  Click on that.
[01:12.910 --> 01:14.930]  And it will take you right to where the talks are.
[01:17.410 --> 01:22.790]  Since I don't like PowerPoint myself, again, my talk is also a web page.
[01:24.190 --> 01:28.170]  Cheshirecatalyst.com slash future, spelled with a P-H.
[01:29.150 --> 01:30.990]  P-H-U-T-U-R-E.
[01:33.350 --> 01:35.070]  Basically, what is phone phreaking?
[01:36.650 --> 01:40.610]  Well, back in the day, what phone phreaking really is is exploring the network.
[01:41.430 --> 01:45.890]  Back then, there was a network worth exploring because the Bells did not want you to know very much about it.
[01:46.370 --> 01:49.970]  It was their proprietary network, and they were the ones in control.
[01:50.690 --> 01:58.170]  If you were at home and just had a telephone set, you were interested in exploring this because this was your access to the world.
[01:59.550 --> 02:01.310]  The world came to you through television.
[02:01.630 --> 02:02.830]  That was a one-way medium.
[02:03.630 --> 02:10.730]  You saw Leave it to Beaver and the Nelson family, but you wanted to go out into the world yourself.
[02:11.070 --> 02:16.270]  And there was that one little box with a dial on it that could get you anywhere you wanted to go.
[02:16.870 --> 02:18.710]  Unfortunately, if you went there, it was very expensive.
[02:18.950 --> 02:20.570]  Long distance calling cost a lot.
[02:21.150 --> 02:23.350]  But there were those who were exploring the network.
[02:24.390 --> 02:31.790]  They found a publication, Bell System Journal, and in it were the secrets of the Bell System.
[02:31.790 --> 02:35.950]  The multi-frequency tones that would place long distance calls.
[02:36.350 --> 02:39.150]  Now, remember, they came up with touch tones.
[02:40.150 --> 02:44.990]  Your touch tone dial put out a certain set of frequencies that would place telephone calls for you.
[02:45.230 --> 02:46.990]  The numbers came into the incoming register.
[02:47.210 --> 02:49.910]  When it collected enough, it then placed the call for you.
[02:50.490 --> 02:57.970]  If you asked the operator to place the call for you, her touch tone dial put out a different set of frequencies that directly controlled the long line's network.
[02:57.970 --> 03:01.090]  The Blue Box duplicated the operator's frequencies.
[03:02.330 --> 03:05.510]  Folks like Captain Crunch, of course, the gross advantage of this sort of thing.
[03:05.790 --> 03:08.810]  And placed calls around the world to pay phone next to them.
[03:09.210 --> 03:16.650]  And would hear the 15 second delay it took for the hello to come all the way around and go hello back at them from the next phone.
[03:17.510 --> 03:18.130]  Much fun.
[03:18.130 --> 03:25.110]  Also, there was a fellow, Joe Engressia, who could whistle multi-frequency tones.
[03:26.250 --> 03:31.770]  He later went on to rename himself as Joy Bubbles and actually legally changed his name to Joy Bubbles.
[03:32.390 --> 03:35.670]  There is now a documentary movie that has been made about him.
[03:37.410 --> 03:43.250]  And through the Kickstarter campaign, I've thrown in 15 bucks just to get my name on the credits of the movie.
[03:44.190 --> 03:45.230]  And it is out there.
[03:45.270 --> 03:48.130]  I was hoping it would be here at the conference this weekend, but I haven't heard a thing about that.
[03:48.130 --> 03:49.170]  So I don't know that it is.
[03:53.450 --> 03:56.550]  Now, Blue Box tones told the switch where to route the call.
[03:56.930 --> 03:58.510]  To do that, you needed a Blue Box.
[03:59.230 --> 04:01.250]  Well, there are apps for such things these days.
[04:02.030 --> 04:03.430]  Well, I don't believe in apps much.
[04:03.430 --> 04:04.730]  Other people do.
[04:05.290 --> 04:09.210]  And Phone Losers Blue Box app is available for Apple and for Android.
[04:10.190 --> 04:14.190]  And the trick is that you then need to go someplace to use it.
[04:15.330 --> 04:17.750]  So, let's see.
[04:19.150 --> 04:24.290]  ProjectMF.org has set up an Asterisk box.
[04:24.970 --> 04:27.270]  Now, Asterisk is an interesting device.
[04:27.610 --> 04:31.550]  Mark Spencer of Huntsville, Alabama, had a little Linux shop.
[04:32.610 --> 04:37.850]  And, well, any small business, what's one thing they need is a business telephone or business telephone system.
[04:38.130 --> 04:39.910]  You start pricing those things, you find they're expensive.
[04:40.270 --> 04:44.130]  Well, he had a bunch of old PCs gathering dust in his back storage room.
[04:44.530 --> 04:46.230]  And he's a Linux developer.
[04:46.410 --> 04:46.930]  What the heck?
[04:47.310 --> 04:48.510]  He designed his own.
[04:48.790 --> 04:49.810]  And he did.
[04:50.390 --> 04:51.910]  It's called Asterisk.
[04:52.130 --> 04:53.610]  And I highly recommend it.
[04:54.590 --> 04:56.990]  Unfortunately, you also need a couple of circuit boards to play with it.
[04:57.650 --> 05:00.270]  You need one circuit board that takes a line in from the telephone company.
[05:00.650 --> 05:04.390]  Or you can go out through the Internet, just buying a SIP line.
[05:05.610 --> 05:06.410]  We'll get to that.
[05:07.110 --> 05:13.890]  And you need a circuit card that you connect with RJ11 jacks on it that you plug your telephones into.
[05:14.490 --> 05:15.890]  Or Ethernet jacks.
[05:15.970 --> 05:22.030]  You can have business telephones of the modern era that are Ethernet equipped that are VOIP ready.
[05:22.270 --> 05:23.830]  Voice over Internet protocol.
[05:25.550 --> 05:28.850]  Now, for Project MF, you've got the Blue Box.
[05:28.970 --> 05:30.030]  They give you some explanations here.
[05:30.210 --> 05:32.430]  But around here, we know about Blue Boxes.
[05:32.830 --> 05:34.590]  And if you don't, you can find out.
[05:35.090 --> 05:35.490]  Wikipedia.
[05:36.090 --> 05:37.990]  Just go through Project MF.
[05:38.190 --> 05:40.510]  It'll give you a whole bunch of information on this.
[05:41.610 --> 05:44.090]  So we're going to Control-W and drop this page now.
[05:44.190 --> 05:44.530]  Come back.
[05:45.490 --> 05:47.330]  Oh, currently boxable numbers.
[05:48.150 --> 05:51.350]  This is also on the Project MF, off the Project MF page.
[05:51.350 --> 05:53.850]  And there's lots of stuff that you can get to.
[05:55.050 --> 06:02.390]  You'll notice in this page about the future of phone phreaking, I use target equals to underscore blank.
[06:02.870 --> 06:08.090]  So that every link on this page comes up in a new tab.
[06:09.750 --> 06:17.650]  And then when you want to go back, you can just tab back or Control-W to drop the tab and come back this way.
[06:17.650 --> 06:26.710]  I find it much easier than having pages go to the same tab you're in and then you lose your place and you try and back up and you get lost.
[06:27.090 --> 06:29.490]  So this is how I like to do web pages.
[06:32.770 --> 06:38.090]  In the modern era, Skype is the gold standard for VOIP phone systems.
[06:38.450 --> 06:40.130]  Now Skype was developed in Europe.
[06:40.930 --> 06:42.310]  Why is that a good thing?
[06:42.310 --> 06:46.170]  Well, first off, it was long before Microsoft bought them, which is a very good thing.
[06:46.850 --> 06:50.290]  But because they're in Europe, they had to use international standards.
[06:50.930 --> 06:54.090]  The ITU, International Telecommunications Union based in Geneva, Switzerland.
[06:54.970 --> 06:56.810]  Actually, they don't call them standards.
[06:57.090 --> 06:59.010]  They call them recommendations.
[06:59.810 --> 07:00.710]  Why is that?
[07:01.390 --> 07:02.490]  There they are in Geneva, Switzerland.
[07:02.790 --> 07:07.250]  They are dictating how a network should be set up to sovereign nations.
[07:07.950 --> 07:12.210]  The post office runs telephone companies in most other countries outside the U.S.
[07:12.750 --> 07:16.190]  And post offices are run by the countries themselves.
[07:16.710 --> 07:19.690]  And you don't tell a sovereign nation what to do.
[07:19.850 --> 07:23.250]  You simply make, quote, recommendations, close quote.
[07:23.510 --> 07:26.250]  That's a diplomatic way of going about things.
[07:26.430 --> 07:29.290]  And that's how things are set up in the international world.
[07:30.850 --> 07:34.910]  When you're in Europe, you're practically crossing somebody else's border every 50 miles or so.
[07:34.910 --> 07:35.930]  At least it seems like that.
[07:36.170 --> 07:39.370]  And so you need these international standards for when you cross borders.
[07:42.370 --> 07:45.230]  Now, I got Firefox to accept the tell tag.
[07:45.710 --> 07:47.030]  What is a tell tag?
[07:49.050 --> 07:49.670]  Let's see.
[07:49.750 --> 07:50.950]  You're familiar with the mail to tag.
[07:51.090 --> 07:59.390]  Mail to, colon, mumble at guppy.com, question mark, subject equals, this is the subject, close quote.
[08:00.730 --> 08:11.350]  And, by the way, if you look at how I've got things set up in here, when you copy the email address, I think it just gives you the email address.
[08:11.510 --> 08:11.950]  Let's see.
[08:12.790 --> 08:13.150]  Paste.
[08:14.390 --> 08:15.470]  Oh, that's something else.
[08:15.730 --> 08:15.870]  Okay.
[08:16.210 --> 08:17.510]  It's not doing what I want, of course.
[08:19.310 --> 08:20.750]  It's a live demo, so it does that.
[08:20.750 --> 08:28.530]  But this is an article I wrote and published in 2200 Magazine and how I got Skype to accept the tell tag in Firefox.
[08:28.970 --> 08:33.610]  And funny thing, Firefox now, if you click on a telephone number, will bring up Skype.
[08:34.450 --> 08:36.990]  I think they only get a consulting plan, I'm not certain.
[08:37.750 --> 08:39.130]  But I haven't pursued that.
[08:41.450 --> 08:42.970]  Control W and drop that.
[08:44.810 --> 08:54.710]  The real future of interconnecting phones and VOIP, Voice Over Internet Protocol, is WebRTC, Web Real-Time Communications.
[08:55.090 --> 08:56.890]  This is the Wikipedia page here.
[08:57.170 --> 08:59.910]  This is where you can start on learning about this sort of thing.
[09:02.050 --> 09:06.290]  Support is from Microsoft Edge, Google Chrome, Firefox, Opera.
[09:06.630 --> 09:08.110]  These are all supporting WebRTC.
[09:09.090 --> 09:13.690]  This is how you're going to be able to place phone calls from websites.
[09:14.830 --> 09:17.210]  Also, sending SMS text messages.
[09:17.610 --> 09:18.970]  SMS, short message system.
[09:20.090 --> 09:23.890]  I have a nasty habit of trying to define my acronyms as I come across them.
[09:23.950 --> 09:26.930]  If I have to do that, please call out and ask me what the acronym is.
[09:29.550 --> 09:33.150]  I like linking to Wikipedia pages because they have further links to other places.
[09:33.390 --> 09:37.010]  The whole reason the web is out there is to share the knowledge.
[09:37.970 --> 09:39.150]  That's where I come from.
[09:39.370 --> 09:40.830]  That's how I get into the most trouble.
[09:41.950 --> 09:43.210]  I like it like that.
[09:45.690 --> 09:46.530]  Let's see.
[09:49.410 --> 09:52.550]  WebRTC APIs, Applications Programming Interfaces.
[09:54.350 --> 09:55.970]  All this stuff is out here.
[09:56.330 --> 09:57.730]  Simply follow the links.
[09:58.450 --> 09:59.570]  Keep on learning.
[10:00.410 --> 10:01.430]  Play with this stuff.
[10:01.750 --> 10:03.890]  This is the way the future is going to be going.
[10:06.670 --> 10:13.570]  The PSTN, the Public Switch Telephone Network, is what we're all used to using and what we've all explored in the past with our Blue Boxes.
[10:14.730 --> 10:21.150]  And the project MF.org will let you play as if you were back in the day when Blue Boxes used to work.
[10:22.290 --> 10:23.550]  They don't work anymore.
[10:23.550 --> 10:27.450]  The entire network is not using that signaling system anymore.
[10:28.870 --> 10:30.730]  But it's fun to play with.
[10:31.490 --> 10:42.610]  And the folks at project MF.org have set up an Asterisk box that accepts the multi-frequency tones, the MF tones, the Blue Box tones, so that you can play around.
[10:43.050 --> 10:47.690]  They have their own list of clickable numbers that you can play with on MF.
[10:48.970 --> 10:52.690]  And for those who have come up to me over the years and said, how do I become a phone phreak?
[10:53.330 --> 10:54.330]  This is how you do it.
[10:54.390 --> 10:57.990]  Go play on project MF and learn how the network used to work.
[10:58.250 --> 10:59.770]  But then, keep exploring.
[11:00.790 --> 11:02.210]  Because the network is changing.
[11:02.690 --> 11:04.790]  The network is interfacing with VOIP.
[11:08.230 --> 11:14.710]  You need to buy a line from a phone company or an Internet provider, which will give you T1 service.
[11:15.230 --> 11:21.690]  A T1 line would give you about 23 different lines into your PBX in the old days.
[11:21.870 --> 11:26.570]  And these days, they are virtual lines coming in as IP, Internet protocol.
[11:26.970 --> 11:29.530]  And WebRTC is interfacing with that stuff.
[11:30.510 --> 11:32.130]  That's where the future is going.
[11:32.410 --> 11:33.690]  That's where you need to go.
[11:34.890 --> 11:40.750]  There is a real-time web solution conference coming up August 1 to 4 in New York City.
[11:41.350 --> 11:47.290]  You guys that live here are fortunate because this conference is right here.
[11:49.410 --> 11:59.810]  If you go to WebRTCExpo.com slash east, this will bring you up into their website.
[12:00.550 --> 12:02.270]  There is a register today button.
[12:02.710 --> 12:07.650]  And I believe if you register for the expo hall only, that will be a free pass.
[12:08.110 --> 12:11.050]  The expo hall will get you into all sorts of things.
[12:11.550 --> 12:15.850]  People giving away all sorts of information and the stuff you want to learn.
[12:16.870 --> 12:18.950]  Now, I've got down here dummies guides.
[12:19.230 --> 12:27.130]  Because one company, Sonus, Sonus.net, provides the old dummies guides.
[12:27.530 --> 12:28.710]  The dummies guide to whatever.
[12:29.070 --> 12:34.130]  And in this case, in their learning center, there are their dummies guides.
[12:36.010 --> 12:41.550]  And they have a deal with John Wiley Company that produces the dummies books.
[12:41.550 --> 12:49.010]  And you can download ebooks of these dummies guides for VOIP for SIP session interface protocol.
[12:49.390 --> 12:54.610]  Two years ago when I was here, I headed a session called, Are You Ready to Sip the Kool-Aid?
[12:55.490 --> 13:05.570]  Hoping that I could get a bunch of you people into SIP protocols, session interface protocol, which is how you set up telephone calls using VOIP.
[13:06.690 --> 13:09.530]  It's getting a little more sophisticated now using WebRTC.
[13:10.470 --> 13:14.930]  And hopefully, you know, here are the dummies books.
[13:15.530 --> 13:19.830]  WebRTC for dummies, Software Defined Networking for dummies, SIP Trunking for dummies.
[13:19.970 --> 13:21.770]  That's a really good one to look at.
[13:23.670 --> 13:24.850]  Diameter Signaling for dummies.
[13:24.970 --> 13:26.030]  I'll have to check that one out myself.
[13:26.810 --> 13:31.210]  All of these dummies books, I hate the title that say that they are for dummies.
[13:31.210 --> 13:32.650]  They are not for dummies.
[13:32.790 --> 13:34.210]  They are for people who want to learn.
[13:35.670 --> 13:37.370]  I don't call those people dummies.
[13:38.010 --> 13:40.450]  The fact that it's marketable, that's a whole other topic.
[13:41.410 --> 13:45.870]  Various white papers that Sonus has available for you to download as well, brochures.
[13:46.090 --> 13:52.810]  And, of course, the brochures will be for their own products, which are business telephones that use Asterisk over Ethernet.
[13:53.470 --> 14:00.870]  And all this stuff is available to you if you just bring up the Web, find the links, create your own links.
[14:03.870 --> 14:11.630]  Let's see, over here, in my Notepad++, I've got an area called temp there on the bottom of the page.
[14:12.530 --> 14:14.450]  Oh, hang on.
[14:15.850 --> 14:17.550]  That's the index, future.
[14:18.730 --> 14:20.810]  We can list a new one.
[14:22.610 --> 14:27.190]  HTTP colon slash slash 2600 dot com.
[14:31.650 --> 14:33.650]  2600 dot com.
[14:34.570 --> 14:35.930]  End tag.
[14:37.010 --> 14:37.810]  File.
[14:38.210 --> 14:38.530]  Save.
[14:39.330 --> 14:40.710]  Over to FileZilla.
[14:45.250 --> 14:46.850]  Hit enter, send it over.
[14:50.360 --> 14:56.280]  And, of course, there's already one on the website, so it has to stop and ask, do I really want to overwrite it?
[14:59.900 --> 15:04.260]  However, I haven't used this network access in a while, so we need to refresh the network access.
[15:08.270 --> 15:11.750]  And there it goes, connection established now, waiting for a welcome message, blah, blah, blah.
[15:12.810 --> 15:14.750]  And now, do I really want to overwrite it?
[15:14.830 --> 15:15.390]  Yes, I do.
[15:17.750 --> 15:18.650]  Transfer is finished.
[15:19.770 --> 15:20.930]  Control R to refresh.
[15:25.020 --> 15:27.900]  And, hmm, it should have shown.
[15:31.820 --> 15:33.740]  Let's make sure I saved it in the right directory.
[15:33.740 --> 15:35.320]  Always a problem with me.
[15:35.960 --> 15:36.660]  HOPE XI.
[15:37.240 --> 15:38.420]  File name is future.
[15:38.800 --> 15:39.280]  Save.
[15:40.440 --> 15:41.940]  Already exists, but I want to replace it.
[15:42.080 --> 15:42.320]  Yes.
[15:44.490 --> 15:46.700]  And send it again, just to be sure.
[15:48.730 --> 15:49.700]  HOPE XI.
[15:52.780 --> 15:53.740]  And refresh.
[15:55.360 --> 15:57.700]  And, of course, it's not working, is it?
[15:59.060 --> 16:00.820]  Ah, that's because I'm not in the right directory.
[16:00.820 --> 16:05.040]  HOPE XI slash...
[16:07.340 --> 16:08.480]  All right.
[16:09.500 --> 16:12.880]  H dot Cheshire.
[16:16.680 --> 16:18.520]  And now...
[16:27.370 --> 16:28.130]  Hmm.
[16:29.510 --> 16:30.790]  Still not showing.
[16:31.010 --> 16:31.670]  I apologize.
[16:32.090 --> 16:33.770]  But that's how it's supposed to work.
[16:35.790 --> 16:36.270]  And...
[16:37.950 --> 16:41.510]  That's because A space href equals that.
[16:41.750 --> 16:43.550]  Going to that with the close anchor.
[16:43.750 --> 16:45.470]  There was an error message in the file time.
[16:45.750 --> 16:46.370]  Say again?
[16:46.930 --> 16:50.870]  When you transferred the file of filezilla, there was an error message in the bottom right corner.
[16:51.170 --> 16:51.790]  Ah, thank you.
[16:52.450 --> 16:53.550]  There was an error message, apparently.
[16:54.470 --> 16:57.050]  And we're going to try transferring it again.
[17:00.020 --> 17:01.600]  Target already exists, yes.
[17:01.600 --> 17:03.000]  So overwrite it.
[17:04.560 --> 17:06.060]  Target exists.
[17:07.200 --> 17:07.820]  Yes.
[17:09.360 --> 17:11.120]  And actually...
[17:12.880 --> 17:15.000]  Let's try doing this.
[17:17.440 --> 17:19.960]  Going up a level to the Cheshire directory.
[17:22.780 --> 17:23.860]  Future.html.
[17:27.740 --> 17:28.280]  And...
[17:36.730 --> 17:37.270]  Hmm.
[17:37.730 --> 17:38.210]  Thank you.
[17:38.890 --> 17:39.910]  Oh, it could not be transferred.
[17:44.680 --> 17:45.220]  Ah.
[17:45.820 --> 17:46.960]  Transfer is finished.
[17:53.170 --> 17:53.710]  But...
[17:53.710 --> 17:55.450]  Transferred in one second.
[17:55.650 --> 17:56.870]  That one transferred properly.
[17:57.130 --> 17:59.930]  So now it should be over in the main Cheshire directory.
[18:04.580 --> 18:05.480]  But it's not.
[18:05.480 --> 18:07.800]  I'll deal with that later and get that up there.
[18:08.880 --> 18:09.360]  But...
[18:10.240 --> 18:10.720]  Um...
[18:10.720 --> 18:11.320]  This is it.
[18:11.540 --> 18:14.060]  I just used Notepad to create my web pages.
[18:14.460 --> 18:17.200]  Because all the web pages is simply text.
[18:17.620 --> 18:21.420]  Which then calls on various images and what have you.
[18:21.720 --> 18:22.800]  I don't like Flash.
[18:23.040 --> 18:25.500]  I think that, for the most part, it's eye candy.
[18:25.800 --> 18:26.980]  And wastes the bandwidth.
[18:27.860 --> 18:33.080]  Back in the day, when people had little Nokia phones, and were trying to get information on them.
[18:33.680 --> 18:34.080]  Um...
[18:34.080 --> 18:35.340]  They couldn't see Flash things.
[18:36.900 --> 18:37.300]  Um...
[18:37.300 --> 18:43.140]  These days, with modern cell phones, the touch screens and what have you, a lot of things come through a lot easier and faster and what have you.
[18:43.580 --> 18:44.460]  But, um...
[18:44.460 --> 18:47.140]  I still think there are probably some people out there with dial-ups at home.
[18:48.020 --> 18:48.200]  Uh...
[18:48.200 --> 18:50.420]  AOL.com is still out there.
[18:50.620 --> 18:51.620]  People are still using it.
[18:51.700 --> 18:54.340]  Because some people can't afford the faster Internet.
[18:55.520 --> 18:55.920]  Um...
[18:55.920 --> 18:57.580]  And my thing is to share the knowledge.
[18:57.780 --> 18:58.500]  And make it useful.
[18:59.740 --> 19:00.140]  Uh...
[19:00.140 --> 19:01.560]  That's what I do.
[19:04.000 --> 19:04.480]  So...
[19:08.150 --> 19:08.630]  Um...
[19:08.630 --> 19:11.310]  From here, it's about going out and exploring.
[19:11.990 --> 19:13.170]  So, uh...
[19:13.170 --> 19:16.130]  I leave it to you folks to go out and learn how to do more things.
[19:17.390 --> 19:18.170]  Any questions?
[19:18.550 --> 19:18.970]  Yes.
[19:19.590 --> 19:19.690]  Yes.
[19:20.230 --> 19:20.570]  Steve.
[19:24.180 --> 19:25.380]  Ah, good question.
[19:25.440 --> 19:27.620]  Will the WebRTC conference be streamed?
[19:27.700 --> 19:29.260]  I am really into that right now.
[19:29.580 --> 19:30.160]  Uh-huh.
[19:30.160 --> 19:30.800]  I'm really learning about it.
[19:31.300 --> 19:31.780]  Okay.
[19:32.240 --> 19:32.720]  Well, let's...
[19:32.720 --> 19:33.860]  One more thing I want to say.
[19:33.860 --> 19:35.440]  If anybody wants a...
[19:35.440 --> 19:37.340]  A signed...
[19:37.340 --> 19:37.640]  Uh...
[19:37.640 --> 19:39.840]  Not a box signed by the Captain Crunch.
[19:40.040 --> 19:40.640]  Come see me.
[19:41.140 --> 19:41.500]  I'll...
[19:41.500 --> 19:42.680]  I'm selling a not a box.
[19:44.180 --> 19:44.880]  Anonymity in a box.
[19:44.980 --> 19:45.140]  Uh...
[19:45.140 --> 19:48.660]  John Draper, Captain Crunch, has just announced that he is selling a none of boxes.
[19:49.180 --> 19:49.780]  And, uh...
[19:49.780 --> 19:51.180]  Please see him after the talk.
[19:51.500 --> 19:51.640]  Uh...
[19:51.640 --> 19:52.020]  I'll be...
[19:52.020 --> 19:54.600]  I'll be able to sell them probably in the afternoon when I get...
[19:54.600 --> 19:55.280]  After I get my room.
[19:55.620 --> 19:57.120]  So, uh...
[19:57.120 --> 19:57.420]  Yeah.
[19:57.420 --> 19:58.520]  See John later in the day.
[19:58.960 --> 19:59.620]  And, uh...
[19:59.620 --> 20:01.060]  We will be around the conference all weekend.
[20:01.800 --> 20:02.740]  John, very good to see you.
[20:02.740 --> 20:02.820]  Yeah.
[20:05.020 --> 20:05.920]  And, let's see.
[20:06.080 --> 20:08.540]  So, the WebRTC conference...
[20:08.540 --> 20:10.340]  Will that be streamed?
[20:11.980 --> 20:12.380]  Um...
[20:12.380 --> 20:12.960]  Good question.
[20:13.960 --> 20:16.100]  News and media, newsroom, social chatter.
[20:16.540 --> 20:16.940]  Uh...
[20:16.940 --> 20:19.840]  We could send a request in and find out, but, um...
[20:19.840 --> 20:21.440]  We wouldn't get an answer today, I'm sure.
[20:23.420 --> 20:24.180]  Any other questions?
[20:24.620 --> 20:25.560]  There is a microphone.
[20:26.620 --> 20:27.020]  Yeah.
[20:27.320 --> 20:27.700]  And...
[20:27.700 --> 20:29.720]  Where is the microphone for questions?
[20:30.000 --> 20:30.380]  Right there.
[20:31.660 --> 20:32.060]  So...
[20:32.060 --> 20:32.320]  Yeah.
[20:33.340 --> 20:35.540]  The center aisle up front is a microphone for questions.
[20:35.740 --> 20:36.980]  So, we can get this on our web stream.
[20:38.620 --> 20:39.280]  And, uh...
[20:39.280 --> 20:40.300]  Thank you for bringing up the house lights.
[20:40.360 --> 20:41.360]  I can hardly see people out here.
[20:45.640 --> 20:46.040]  Oh.
[20:47.360 --> 20:47.760]  Okay.
[20:47.860 --> 20:48.600]  Well, thank you very much.
[20:49.280 --> 20:50.060]  And, uh...
[20:50.060 --> 20:51.000]  I'll be around after the talk.
[20:51.520 --> 20:52.280]  And, enjoy the conference.
[20:52.920 --> 20:53.400]  Thank you very much.