[00:40.930 --> 00:50.010]  Hello, welcome to Pirate Radio 101, or as we probably should have called it, Pirate Radio 101.
[00:51.510 --> 01:05.350]  The idea behind this panel is that we'd like to show each and every one of you how easy it is to create your own unlicensed wireless radio station, similar to perfect radio.
[01:07.210 --> 01:14.530]  And just by way of introduction, I'd like to introduce each of the members of the panel and then let each of them introduce themselves.
[01:17.050 --> 01:23.310]  Let each of them introduce themselves so that they can correct whatever errors might have appeared in the program.
[01:24.290 --> 01:27.590]  On the far left over here is Professor Klystron.
[01:28.050 --> 01:31.230]  Right here in the middle is DJ Ken-Zo.
[01:31.230 --> 01:34.550]  Hello, my name is Mr. Ian with Perfect Radio.
[01:35.270 --> 01:40.930]  And here is DJ Ann Animus, fresh off the plane from San Francisco.
[01:41.790 --> 01:54.150]  Now, I guess I'll let Klystron. introduce yourself first and then for a couple minutes and then Ken, DJ Ken-Zo, and correct whatever errors there might have been in the program.
[01:57.030 --> 01:59.950]  Okay, I'm the Professor Klystron..
[02:00.150 --> 02:00.730]  I am your friend.
[02:00.990 --> 02:08.470]  I'd like to thank Emmanuel, despite my extremely bad email talents, for recognizing us.
[02:08.910 --> 02:19.490]  But even far more so, I'd like to thank the Hacker Movement for realizing that Pirate Radio is a very unusual offspin of hacking.
[02:20.250 --> 02:26.330]  What Pirate Radio is, is to go against a person of power's rules of radio.
[02:28.150 --> 02:43.550]  What's involved today is to talk about what the FCC has thrown out for many, many years since the 1920s and since the 1930s, especially when they came past the first Communications Act of 1934.
[02:43.550 --> 03:00.530]  It's illegal for you to have a voice over the Electromagnetic Spectrum identified as radio, unless you have some form of patronage to them, such as a license, such as paying them fees.
[03:02.130 --> 03:03.230]  It's very simple.
[03:04.870 --> 03:09.910]  We got our Pirate Radio credentials from James Madison.
[03:10.370 --> 03:13.470]  It's called the First Amendment, the right to freedom of speech.
[03:14.150 --> 03:19.790]  What we're going to do here tonight, today, is we're going to talk a little bit about the political just as we roll.
[03:19.990 --> 03:26.850]  And we're also going to show you just a quick and easy FM radio station because it's easy to do.
[03:26.850 --> 03:30.050]  It has something rather... two things are unique about it.
[03:30.190 --> 03:30.950]  We don't turn it on.
[03:31.050 --> 03:32.990]  The timer turns it on unless we want to.
[03:33.630 --> 03:36.370]  And we're solving a lot of the pirate problems.
[03:36.570 --> 03:38.210]  We don't want any one of you to be...
[03:38.210 --> 03:45.270]  I don't want anyone to ever turn on a... hear how to do pirate radio just so they can be a sitting duck.
[03:45.690 --> 03:47.550]  Nobody should ever stick their arms out.
[03:47.670 --> 03:55.670]  They should do whatever they can do, whether it's 15 minutes a week or whether it's, you know, on most of the time.
[03:55.670 --> 04:00.670]  But you have to use a little cunning and you should be results oriented and...
[04:00.670 --> 04:03.850]  But you should always be very safe when you operate a station.
[04:04.070 --> 04:07.990]  You should never be a sitting duck for the FCC.
[04:08.930 --> 04:12.010]  The little gadget on top is your CB radio.
[04:12.190 --> 04:14.930]  That's how we conduct the audio into it because...
[04:14.930 --> 04:21.590]  the FCC receives most of its reports from listeners and some of them...
[04:21.590 --> 04:24.990]  a few of them come from other people who know the station, but mainly from listeners.
[04:25.330 --> 04:36.030]  The moment you've removed the source of the audio of the studio from the listeners, you have removed the FCC from the picture in almost all cases.
[04:37.370 --> 04:41.850]  Okay, if somebody else would like to speak for a few minutes, how about Ken-Zo?
[04:42.810 --> 04:43.990]  Yeah, just as a...
[04:43.990 --> 04:44.750]  Pretty matter of specialty.
[04:45.410 --> 04:48.510]  Pretty matter of introduction, I'm just... I have a hacking background.
[04:48.790 --> 04:51.490]  I grew up as a... definitely hacking a lot as a child.
[04:51.650 --> 04:55.010]  And I spent the last seven years doing experimental radio in one form or another.
[04:55.010 --> 05:05.170]  And I was asked, you know, this panel just to talk about the implications of technology on kind of freedom of your ability to express, especially as far as music goes.
[05:06.110 --> 05:10.290]  You know, there's an analogy between, you know, you want to do things like...
[05:10.290 --> 05:13.730]  I believe you should do things like pirate radio with what you do on the internet.
[05:13.910 --> 05:21.390]  We obviously, we spent a lot of time this weekend talking about a lot of the forums that are currently out there for having your music out there.
[05:21.390 --> 05:28.090]  And most of the ones that are, you know, really getting big are profit-motivated and corporate-controlled.
[05:29.130 --> 05:38.970]  And, you know, I fear that people are going to give up their freedom of expression that way, the same way that they, you know, let their freedom of expression be eroded via, you know, broadcast means.
[05:39.170 --> 05:42.230]  So, I'm just going to talk a little bit about that when it comes to everything.
[05:48.270 --> 05:49.910]  I believe in free radio.
[05:49.910 --> 05:49.990]  Yeah.
[05:57.410 --> 06:10.550]  I'd like to just, if I could just kick this off, I'd like to say, there's been a few different panels addressing the, the implications of the recent FCC decision to legalize low-power FM.
[06:10.930 --> 06:18.290]  But, although it might sound good to you, there's a lot of problems with the legalization movement as it is.
[06:18.290 --> 06:29.490]  The most glaring column, as I see it, is that, um, LPFM, according to the FCC, means you can only have a station of 10 watts or 100 watts.
[06:30.090 --> 06:44.910]  Which isn't all that bad, except for the fact that in the largest cities, like New York City and Los Angeles and Chicago, I believe, and Philadelphia, and a number of the largest cities, there is no room on the FM spectrum for new radio stations.
[06:44.910 --> 06:54.110]  So, the legalization that occurred by FCC mandate on January 20th is actually not much of a victory for our movement.
[06:54.110 --> 06:59.730]  Which is why a lot of us are more concerned with taking the fight to the airwaves.
[06:59.730 --> 07:05.510]  Now, there's a number of reasons why we believe that the airwaves are free.
[07:05.930 --> 07:09.470]  It's part of our slogan, is the airwaves must be free.
[07:10.050 --> 07:27.170]  Um, the electromagnetic spectrum, as we all know it, comprises the radio frequency, or is made up with the radio frequency and x-rays, and the higher electromagnetic spectrums, uh, waves that we can't see but we can feel and be effected by.
[07:27.370 --> 07:29.430]  It also includes the visual spectrum.
[07:29.730 --> 07:50.090]  So, the FCC, by forcing low-power radio stations to apply for licenses from them, seems to me a little ridiculous, and something that we can't really accept because, uh, as I've said before, um, forcing radio stations to get licenses is a little bit like,
[07:50.250 --> 07:56.110]  uh, forcing people to apply for licenses to use the color green.
[07:56.550 --> 07:58.850]  It's all part of the electromagnetic spectrum.
[07:58.850 --> 08:09.530]  Another, uh, problem with all of this is that, according to the Communications Act of 1934, the FCC really doesn't have any jurisdiction over intrastate transmissions.
[08:09.990 --> 08:15.270]  It's supposed to be concerned mostly with inter-state, between-state transmissions.
[08:15.570 --> 08:31.150]  So, the fact that the FCC has been so effective in closing down small stations of 30 watts that have a listening radius of 5 to 10 miles seems, uh, another implication of the fact that the government is taking too much control.
[08:31.630 --> 08:36.770]  Now, the government isn't just acting on its own accord in these, uh, instances.
[08:37.050 --> 08:48.430]  In fact, to a large degree, it's, it's acting upon the wishes of the large corporations, the people who pay for the National Association for broadcasters, lobbyists.
[08:48.430 --> 08:54.670]  Um, the FCC is sort of serving the large corporations and limiting our free speech.
[08:56.530 --> 09:10.230]  Um, and I should also point out that the NAB is also working in these, uh, in, in this direction with the, uh, with the encouragement of the Corporation for Public Broadcasting and National Public Radio.
[09:10.230 --> 09:16.630]  They've all sort of conspired against, uh, radio stations that are transmitting with less than 100 watts of power.
[09:16.630 --> 09:28.690]  And since 1978, when they made it illegal to transmit with less than 100 watts of power, uh, they essentially illegalized free use of the airwaves.
[09:29.830 --> 09:45.410]  Um, I, I would also like to just point out as to the title of the, uh, of this panel, that, uh, in some ways, pirates, uh, it might sound sort of like a scary thing, pirates.
[09:45.970 --> 09:55.070]  Um, although the real pirates in, in the business, as many of you hackers probably know, are the large corporations that are truly limiting our free speech.
[09:55.070 --> 10:05.150]  the ones that are saying that you need to have money, you need to apply, you need, you need to raise revenue in order to access the airwaves.
[10:05.530 --> 10:09.670]  And another large part of this is the use of advertising.
[10:10.470 --> 10:24.750]  So, with a wireless station, uh, similar to what you see here, which is essentially the structure of a wireless station, you, you too can access the airwaves and begin speaking to your neighborhoods.
[10:25.450 --> 10:29.270]  And, uh, speaking truth to the powers.
[10:29.970 --> 10:52.310]  Uh, the six corporations that effectively control much of, much of, the six corporations that effectively control most of what we hear and see on the large corporations owned, uh, television and radio stations are effectively shutting out the voices of the few and the unheard.
[10:52.570 --> 10:59.950]  Which is why, in some ways, I believe that there is, uh, we can build a coalition between the pirate radio movement and the hackers.
[11:00.250 --> 11:02.490]  Because we are fighting against the largest corporations.
[11:03.650 --> 11:06.090]  Would, uh, one of you like to continue with something?
[11:06.290 --> 11:11.590]  Okay, I have a, I have a simple and easy answer to the FCC and micro radio and everything.
[11:11.750 --> 11:17.950]  It comes 20 years ago from an old pirate who taught me a lot about, uh, how to operate in an adversity.
[11:17.950 --> 11:22.030]  His name is Dr. Thomas Chatterton, Jude Preduzius, the radio property of the airwaves.
[11:22.250 --> 11:23.930]  It comes in the form of a song.
[11:24.430 --> 11:31.590]  We are the government men, throwing carriers in your brain.
[11:31.970 --> 11:38.590]  We are the government men, we'll cause you lots of strife and pain.
[11:38.590 --> 11:45.430]  We are the government men, deceiving you most every day.
[11:45.950 --> 11:52.390]  We are the government men, we'll always try to be in your way.
[11:52.390 --> 11:58.690]  Pay your taxes, go to school, gotta talk, don't be a fool.
[11:58.970 --> 12:05.410]  Get a wife and have some kids, and then you'll be on the skits.
[12:06.050 --> 12:11.810]  We'll suck your blood dry, not a chance to wonder why.
[12:12.870 --> 12:20.750]  Now, one of the things you have to understand about having a pirate radio station is, um, one of them is where are you going to put it?
[12:21.210 --> 12:21.490]  Okay?
[12:22.670 --> 12:29.730]  Um, over, there's plenty of room over top of the fridge, but, um, generally it's not a good place to run your audio.
[12:29.730 --> 12:37.730]  I like to put the station under the bed, or next to the bed, and I like the CB radio that develops the audio modified sound better.
[12:38.050 --> 12:44.090]  I like it on my bed, because you do better radio laying on your back, because you don't have other distractions.
[12:44.830 --> 12:47.710]  Another thing is, you don't really have to do the whole show yourself.
[12:47.910 --> 12:53.110]  You run wireless, uh, maybe your girlfriend is on good terms with you.
[12:53.170 --> 12:57.670]  She talks on the other radio, it comes to you, the timer comes on, your station is on.
[12:57.670 --> 13:04.050]  Or you might just, uh, like, uh, having the CB radio feed the, uh, the FM radio station.
[13:04.230 --> 13:06.070]  We sometimes battle with CB-ers on the air.
[13:06.130 --> 13:06.950]  We just put it on the air.
[13:07.050 --> 13:07.730]  It's good programming.
[13:08.170 --> 13:11.930]  Good programming could be, um, it could be cooking shows.
[13:12.010 --> 13:13.670]  It could be driving to work.
[13:13.690 --> 13:15.330]  It could be coming back from work.
[13:15.590 --> 13:24.330]  Uh, you could go to a picnic, uh, set up a spare CB to feed into your FM radio station, or your, um, some of you might be crafty to an AM station.
[13:24.490 --> 13:26.550]  But, you know, feed your audio from somewhere else.
[13:26.550 --> 13:30.990]  It's gonna be the secret when, uh, pirate television starts to appear in a few years.
[13:31.590 --> 13:34.610]  That's gonna be the secret, is transferring your picture and audio.
[13:34.730 --> 13:36.230]  In this case, transfer your audio.
[13:36.470 --> 13:39.250]  It's so much better than, uh, doing boring.
[13:39.470 --> 13:43.090]  Uh, it's, it already got the FCC, uh, chasing the wrong part of the city.
[13:43.210 --> 13:45.970]  Because they listen to nothing but the people who are calling them.
[13:45.970 --> 13:51.050]  And almost nobody, uh, almost nobody calls, uh, the FCC over good radio.
[13:51.870 --> 13:55.770]  So, you know, try to, try to keep your, try to keep your programs interesting.
[13:56.170 --> 13:57.710]  Try to keep them a little raunchy.
[13:57.890 --> 13:58.990]  Don't worry about anything.
[13:59.350 --> 14:04.170]  But most important is, uh, also make sure you bite off as much as you can chew.
[14:04.170 --> 14:10.630]  And my next, my next subject, when it gets back to me, is, uh, how to get results with the equipment itself.
[14:10.990 --> 14:13.430]  Uh, next person.
[14:14.790 --> 14:15.750]  What, Ann?
[14:16.170 --> 14:16.750]  Ann or Ann?
[14:17.050 --> 14:18.850]  Can you tell us a little bit about your background?
[14:19.090 --> 14:20.890]  Well, I can tell you a little bit about my background.
[14:21.050 --> 14:23.810]  But first I'd like to correct the song.
[14:24.030 --> 14:26.670]  It said, uh, you know, grab a wife.
[14:26.830 --> 14:30.490]  You can also grab a husband and he's equally as distracting as a wife.
[14:35.540 --> 14:39.160]  Free radio is all about freedom of expression, as you guys know.
[14:39.580 --> 14:43.400]  So you can correct anybody, you can say anything you want, you can spread a message.
[14:44.200 --> 14:44.800]  I do.
[14:47.760 --> 14:49.400]  Anything else we need to talk about?
[14:49.720 --> 14:50.860]  More about the technology here?
[14:51.000 --> 14:52.260]  Well, more on the free expression.
[14:52.480 --> 15:03.620]  Again, you know, thinking about things like mp3.com, um, you know, which a lot of people are embracing right now as a way of, you know, the little guy sort of getting to get his music out there.
[15:03.860 --> 15:10.060]  I mean, it's not really, you know, it's hardly free expression because, um, you know, they are filtering.
[15:10.360 --> 15:14.860]  They do, you know, they're currently filtered for, you know, they don't always explain the reasons.
[15:15.100 --> 15:18.720]  But they're not going to include all music out there because they do have a profit motive.
[15:18.960 --> 15:23.820]  They are trying to align, you know, with, uh, I think they made a deal with the RIAA.
[15:24.100 --> 15:32.120]  They're going to, you know, it's just a matter of time before they're completely aligned with the same goals that the major labels and whatever the goals of the major corporations are.
[15:32.520 --> 15:39.580]  And, um, it's not going to be, it's not going to continue to be, if it even can currently be considered to be, a way for everyone to get their voice out there.
[15:39.720 --> 15:44.400]  So people have to, you know, as far as using technology goes, you've got to retain the freedom.
[15:44.700 --> 15:48.380]  You've got to, you know, form your own outlets, you know, get your own channels out there.
[15:48.780 --> 15:54.120]  You know, we should have groups of sites that are, you know, run by, you know, non-profit individuals.
[15:54.740 --> 16:12.080]  Um, you know, we're not, because all, you know, if you look at, you know, the patterns of all the various sites that we've seen, the various channels we've seen, one by one, they've all either gone, you know, the way of trying to make a large profit or they've been bought out by organizations that are trying to make a large profit.
[16:12.180 --> 16:18.660]  In the end, we're just going to see, if we're not careful, if we don't do something about it, we're going to see the same thing on the internet that we're seeing everywhere else.
[16:18.680 --> 16:21.420]  We're going to see just a couple of corporations controlling everything
[16:31.520 --> 16:39.540]  I think we have to remember that pirate radio and the problems we are having in the FCC is only an American problem.
[16:39.980 --> 16:44.180]  The real pirate problem is a world problem that renews itself everywhere.
[16:45.100 --> 16:52.600]  And that all countries and all governments and all empires are causing problems for people who want to communicate in any way.
[16:52.600 --> 17:00.200]  Be it hackers, be it their sidespin radio, which is a different type of communication, but it is not.
[17:00.340 --> 17:01.400]  We are all the same thing.
[17:01.780 --> 17:04.400]  We are just all trying to do our first amendment.
[17:04.770 --> 17:09.200]  Let's thank James Madison.
[17:09.920 --> 17:12.060]  But it is not our problem.
[17:12.160 --> 17:13.680]  It is everybody's problem.
[17:13.900 --> 17:17.160]  But what we basically have to remember is keep the eye on the wall.
[17:17.300 --> 17:18.340]  Just keep it real simple.
[17:18.340 --> 17:22.010]  Forget about all these zipper heads and their stupid laws.
[17:23.250 --> 17:24.860]  Let's just keep marching on.
[17:25.060 --> 17:25.860]  Keep marching around.
[17:26.010 --> 17:28.990]  Let's not sacrifice anybody for any movements.
[17:29.560 --> 17:32.160]  Let's do the same thing that works for them for us.
[17:32.970 --> 17:34.010]  Spread it out.
[17:34.270 --> 17:39.040]  We will all be little bitty heroes at the edge of the cookie nibbling away at it like ants.
[17:39.040 --> 17:41.990]  And let's just squash them.
[17:42.320 --> 17:44.400]  As I say on the CB, just squash them.
[17:44.770 --> 17:45.620]  Just squash them.
[17:51.100 --> 18:02.700]  One of the interesting things that an unlicensed radio station can do that licensed radio stations cannot do is provide programming on a much smaller level or a much different level.
[18:02.700 --> 18:09.760]  You don't hear informative programming on some of the bigger radio stations like K-Rock, for instance.
[18:10.360 --> 18:13.940]  You don't hear programs that are two minutes in length.
[18:14.100 --> 18:23.000]  Whereas with our unlicensed radio station, depending on the time of the year or whatever is happening in our neighborhood, we can provide emergency weather updates.
[18:23.320 --> 18:27.700]  We can provide our neighborhoods with traffic reports.
[18:27.700 --> 18:37.500]  If the subways are out in the area, we can let our communities know how to plan for it and what a different plan could...
[18:37.500 --> 18:42.020]  What you can do to plan in advance of some of these problems.
[18:42.420 --> 19:02.000]  With an unlicensed radio station, we don't have to adhere to the FCC saying that you need to spend $5,000 to upgrade to the emergency alert system when the emergency broadcast system, which was in use for 20 or 30 years, was good enough.
[19:02.200 --> 19:19.960]  But the FCC uses these methods to force radio stations to put more money into their stations, to adhere to these larger corporations that ultimately and effectively are controlling most of the media that we're most familiar with.
[19:22.040 --> 19:26.280]  I've been speaking with Ken about trying to figure out how to relate all of this to hackers.
[19:26.600 --> 19:33.940]  And I guess the most important thing to think about is in terms of thinking in the future.
[19:34.300 --> 19:40.860]  Because everyone knows that the hackers are at the cutting edge six years before the rest of the culture reaches that point.
[19:42.020 --> 19:54.100]  So effectively you can create your own computer network which can be voice activated by having a base station where you can transmit to the other computers within the network.
[19:54.840 --> 20:07.900]  And with the voice recognition technology that I assume will probably be becoming more and more prevalent in the near future, you can effectively turn on different computers in different areas of the neighborhood.
[20:08.420 --> 20:16.960]  So if you're a hacker and you're worried about being discovered, suddenly they would have to try to figure out where you're coming from, where you're hacking from.
[20:17.260 --> 20:21.960]  And they wouldn't be just trying to locate to triangulate one location.
[20:21.960 --> 20:23.960]  They'd end up finding a whole network.
[20:24.210 --> 20:28.980]  And it might just be run by one person who may or may not be present at the time.
[20:28.980 --> 20:32.860]  Because with a timer and a wireless station, you can be anywhere you want.
[20:32.960 --> 20:38.740]  As long as your timer is going off and your voice activated recorders will go off at the same time.
[20:39.060 --> 20:49.820]  So in some ways, pirate radio or wireless radio transmissions can really provide a safety buffer for a lot of different things that haven't yet taken hold.
[20:52.600 --> 20:59.820]  There's an old saying from Vietnam, when the water goes up, the fish eat the ants.
[21:00.500 --> 21:02.880]  When the water goes down, the ants eat the fish.
[21:03.100 --> 21:05.620]  So it's going to be with our governments and pirate radio.
[21:07.720 --> 21:16.100]  The largest activism of pirate radio occurred in 1946 so far, not in the present.
[21:16.100 --> 21:20.600]  What it was is we had thousands upon thousands of servicemen.
[21:20.760 --> 21:24.160]  U.S., English, and other countries.
[21:24.540 --> 21:29.020]  Many of them were stuck on ships that were sitting going nowhere as my father was.
[21:29.940 --> 21:32.640]  Going absolutely dead in the water.
[21:33.380 --> 21:36.480]  And a tremendous amount of them were the radio men and their friends.
[21:36.520 --> 21:40.040]  What they did was they mutinied out of boredom.
[21:40.040 --> 21:45.700]  And they took all these military radios and they whipped it up.
[21:45.900 --> 21:48.880]  They just whipped it up for about four months.
[21:50.640 --> 21:59.260]  And none of the commanding officers, since there was no real enemy during the Second War, after the Second War, none of their commanders would stop it.
[21:59.320 --> 22:02.440]  Because they needed some kind of a shore leave or something.
[22:02.440 --> 22:04.860]  They could not find any other outlet.
[22:05.140 --> 22:12.640]  And so many, many, many thousands of military radios just turned into pirate radio stations.
[22:12.640 --> 22:15.420]  Because it was against the rules of the armed forces.
[22:16.240 --> 22:26.860]  And on the other hand, some pirates have had to very easily have a chance to speak without ever so much.
[22:26.860 --> 22:32.680]  Pirate radio means that my grandfather's cat, you know, who can transmit on, who cannot, according to the FCC.
[22:33.240 --> 22:37.800]  My grandfather's cat was a pirate, because I always used to put amino on the air.
[22:39.720 --> 22:50.880]  I don't ever want to hear a government make rules like they have now about, are you now, have you ever been a pirate during this period of time.
[22:51.020 --> 22:52.320]  That's what the FCC is doing.
[22:52.620 --> 22:53.760]  It means nothing to me.
[22:53.760 --> 22:54.660]  Be a better pirate.
[22:55.420 --> 22:56.520]  Be a better hacker.
[22:56.760 --> 22:57.700]  Be a better speaker.
[22:59.460 --> 23:01.160]  Be a better host at your picnic.
[23:03.760 --> 23:08.760]  And so, again, as it relates to the internet, you know, we want to keep...
[23:09.280 --> 23:11.260]  You know, there's all the different forms...
[23:11.260 --> 23:11.780]  You want to like...
[23:11.780 --> 23:15.820]  We should have our own open formats for streaming information.
[23:16.220 --> 23:21.480]  We should make sure that we're using channels where you don't have just a single point that can get shut down.
[23:22.040 --> 23:31.700]  We've got to, you know, another thing we've got to look for in the medium to long term is, right now we still have the freedom to access, you know, the internet from all sorts of, you know, ways.
[23:31.700 --> 23:38.200]  But clearly, you know, the government and or corporation is going to try to, you know, gain more and more control.
[23:38.460 --> 23:54.820]  And with cooperation with phone companies or whoever else, if we lose the ability to control these channels we have into the internet at all, and if, you know, there are more and more regulations that get passed that prohibit certain kinds of transmissions via the internet,
[23:55.300 --> 24:03.880]  then we'll lose, you know, that means of, you know, doing the same thing that, you know, you'd be doing with a wireless private radio station.
[24:03.880 --> 24:18.360]  So, again, we've got to make sure that, you know, we encourage open formats and we come up with systems, you know, cooperative systems, where there's, you know, we're not going to lose control over this channel so that we can continue to have that voice out there.
[24:18.900 --> 24:30.500]  Because, you know, don't be complacent into thinking that just, you know, everything is great now, everyone, you can just plug in, you can just get your stuff out there, you know, whatever you want, because people are actively working to take that away from us.
[24:30.560 --> 24:39.440]  We've got to make sure that we keep ahead of that and we're ready, you know, no matter what tries to get shut down, we're taking it away, we've got something, you know, something like that.
[24:43.360 --> 24:47.700]  I was just going to say that, you know, free radio could be your second avenue.
[24:47.900 --> 24:55.620]  I mean, if you're computer-based and that's what you do and that's what you're interested in, just remember that a pirate radio station, there's plenty of room for one in most towns.
[24:55.900 --> 25:02.100]  I mean, I don't know if you all live in cities or not, but if you live in a small town, there's probably more room for you or a smaller city.
[25:02.400 --> 25:07.680]  And it can be your second avenue, you know, I mean, it can be your backup, if you will.
[25:08.100 --> 25:13.720]  And also, it's a really great way to help create a nice community for yourself.
[25:14.040 --> 25:24.220]  And I mean, literally, like, you know, some cities are boring or you don't have anything to do, and if you've got a pirate radio station, you can communicate with people who live directly around you.
[25:24.500 --> 25:36.220]  And, you know, you play music and, you know, you can communicate with people around you, and it's a really great way to meet people and communicate.
[25:40.200 --> 25:42.780]  I was just listening to Richard M. Stallman give his presentation a little bit ago, and it was kind of interesting because he was talking about the four freedoms.
[25:50.120 --> 25:53.640]  First of all, he was talking about freedom, the different definitions of freedom.
[25:53.820 --> 25:55.580]  Of course, there's free as in price.
[25:56.300 --> 26:07.780]  And in that way, pirate radio or wireless radio isn't free, because obviously you need to get the equipment, or you need to build the equipment, or you need the equipment to get on air.
[26:08.100 --> 26:11.120]  The other way is free as in freedom.
[26:12.100 --> 26:16.620]  The analogy he uses is free beer versus free speech.
[26:16.880 --> 26:18.680]  And obviously, we're talking about free speech.
[26:18.680 --> 26:25.400]  Now, what Mr. Stallman was talking about with free software, is that there's four freedoms of free software.
[26:25.640 --> 26:34.160]  Freedom zero, which is the freedom to run the software for yourself, meaning you can run some software on your local computer.
[26:34.940 --> 26:39.540]  Freedom one is to help yourself by modifying programs to suit your needs.
[26:40.660 --> 26:47.980]  Obviously, you can tinker with your software and make it more to your needs in the same way as with a radio station.
[26:48.940 --> 26:52.180]  Freedom zero would be to get the equipment and be on the air.
[26:52.400 --> 26:56.860]  Freedom one would be to create programming that is of interest to you.
[26:57.080 --> 27:08.900]  If you're a rock and roll fan or an electronica fan, you would probably have more music geared in that direction than someone who might be interested in jazz or blues.
[27:10.020 --> 27:12.260]  Freedom two, according to Richard M. Stallman, is the freedom to help your neighbor.
[27:16.020 --> 27:38.060]  And with a wireless radio station that's broadcasting, you know, two to five or ten miles depending on the height of your antenna as well as the power that you're putting out, to help your neighbor is to be transmitting information about weather updates or transportation updates or whatever that is of interest to your neighborhood.
[27:38.540 --> 27:46.540]  Freedom three, and the fourth of the four freedoms, freedom three, is the freedom to build up your community.
[27:47.140 --> 27:57.760]  And the way we see it, or the way I see it with radio stations, micro radio, low power radio, pirate radio if you will, is the freedom to build your community.
[27:58.440 --> 28:03.960]  And the community is sort of a larger, larger community than just your neighbor place.
[28:04.160 --> 28:11.740]  So once you start building on each of these freedoms, you're actually building the effectiveness of your radio station.
[28:12.140 --> 28:25.100]  And ultimately, you're helping to create a whole community, a whole network of wireless radio stations that are allowing unheard voices, unheard bands, unheard ideas, access to the free airwaves.
[28:25.100 --> 28:35.780]  So it's really important to realize that these four freedoms can be transported from the hacker world or from the computer world to the free radio movement.
[28:36.240 --> 28:54.620]  And if you're willing to give it a go and start with yourself and then start with your neighborhood and then move up to the community, then we can really, really create a change and make these big corporations understand that there are unheard voices.
[28:54.900 --> 28:59.620]  And as Jello Biafra said in his keynote speech, if you don't like the media, become the media.
[28:59.920 --> 29:14.860]  And this is a very easy way for you to get started doing it, to bring the media to people who may not have access to the internet quite yet, to people who only have a radio receiver at this point, or a CV for that matter.
[29:14.980 --> 29:15.520]  That's right.
[29:15.580 --> 29:21.280]  That's right, Mr. You remember, a lot of people don't have computers yet, and a lot of people don't know the best way to use them.
[29:21.860 --> 29:22.640]  But you know what?
[29:22.720 --> 29:24.080]  Everyone flips around on the dial.
[29:26.550 --> 29:33.440]  I used to live in Spring Valley, New York, and the Spring Valley Library would not let you email your mother on Mother's Day.
[29:36.440 --> 29:39.040]  Everything deals with the limited resources.
[29:39.300 --> 29:51.240]  It could be limited budget, could be limited know-how, it could be limited legal resources, it could be limited equipment resources, it could be limited space.
[29:51.620 --> 30:02.160]  And as a subject, pirate radio stations can sometimes act like commercial radio stations, and commercial radio stations can sometimes act like pirate radio stations.
[30:02.160 --> 30:17.400]  Let me mention our gracious host, Emmanuel Goldstein, Off The Hook, here on WBAI, a licensed 50,000-watt registration, very, very often does not act like a station.
[30:18.380 --> 30:36.780]  We sometimes call in when I'm in range, I sometimes call in, for instance, on Bob Fass, and he hosts, he's had talks about the Red Orchestra, about programming, like there was a station I can't mention the name of, and a little girl, she was playing Disney radio in the background,
[30:37.000 --> 30:49.740]  50, 60, and she was on a pirate radio station, somewhere in the city, even at this location, and she goes, and she goes, Disney sucks.
[30:53.160 --> 31:01.440]  And just remember, the pirates can also act like commercial stations, so remember, it's only radio, let's have fun.
[31:02.460 --> 31:07.320]  Have your political line, have your own sense of humor, have it all.
[31:08.040 --> 31:12.900]  Play whatever you want on it, play your parakeets, you know?
[31:13.720 --> 31:14.380]  So, makes sense.
[31:14.660 --> 31:19.600]  And let's remember that, again, freedom of expression means you can express whatever you want.
[31:19.840 --> 31:33.700]  We shouldn't have to worry about infringing on someone's ownership of something, we shouldn't have to worry about being labeled pornographers, because, you know, they just happen to have a particular thought or another, and we try to express it, so, you know,
[31:33.820 --> 31:47.840]  we have to, while we're, you know, working to retain our, you know, our free channels, we have to make sure that we keep the law on our side, so that we're actually allowed to say things, we're allowed to express them, we don't have to worry that someone could just come along and say,
[31:47.840 --> 31:59.140]  well, you just talked about, you know, how, how Napster works, so you just infringed upon a copyright or a patent or whatever, and, you know, now you owe somebody like a million bucks, and you're not going to have freedom of expression in that environment,
[31:59.140 --> 32:01.960]  so we've got to work constantly and make sure that we have those rights.
[32:03.370 --> 32:09.080]  I was just setting up the antennas for a pirate radio station, and it had special operating rules.
[32:09.280 --> 32:20.100]  One of its wireless studios was in a bedroom of a married couple, and what they told me was, if you hear any squeaking or bumping noises, make sure that you change programs and move to a commercial.
[32:24.570 --> 32:40.640]  I guess, I mean, we could open this up to questions, but if it's all right, I'd like to play one of my two-minute-long radio shows because I used to do a two-minute-long radio show every day, and I tried, in my small way, to speak truth to power.
[32:42.020 --> 33:01.320]  Of course, if you are computer literate and have access to a CD writer, you can create your own CDs and basically create programming for weeks on end, or at least days on end, just by putting a basic CD disc in, such as this.
[33:01.500 --> 33:06.260]  But, if I can comment before you go on, again, that's a freedom we've got to work to retain.
[33:06.500 --> 33:14.240]  Right now, you know, assuming we've got the money, we can make our own CDs, that's great, but, you know, at some point, we could lose that ability, because...
[33:14.240 --> 33:16.460]  Does anyone here know how to make your own CD writer?
[33:16.660 --> 33:22.500]  If you make it from raw materials, you know, stuff wasn't assembled by some factory somewhere.
[33:23.980 --> 33:37.940]  If, you know, if, let's say, either laws are passed, or, let's say, Sony buys up all the companies out there that manufacture all the parts that ultimately would come together to let you make a CD writer, or if laws are passed, as they already have been,
[33:38.400 --> 33:51.600]  to impose kinds of taxes on media, you know, like, when you buy a blank tape, you buy a blank CD, you know, there's money going to the record industry, you know, whether you're going to use that to copy music or not, you know, when that starts to get out of control,
[33:52.640 --> 34:01.520]  you're not going to be able, necessarily, to make your own CDs if someone out there is controlling the laws that ultimately let you have that equipment or have that media.
[34:01.840 --> 34:07.380]  So, once again, be sure to fight to retain that right, because people are going to be working to take that away from us.
[34:08.300 --> 34:17.210]  And also, actually, Penn and I have spoken about this in private before, but there's also some question about the obsolescence of technology.
[34:17.540 --> 34:28.670]  Like, he's of the opinion that some of these CDRs that we can buy for $1.50 or $2 in the store have a smaller lifespan than CDs, the CDs that you might get from a major label.
[34:28.780 --> 34:34.670]  I'm not exactly sure if that's true, but there's all kinds of different rumors that haven't really been addressed about CDs.
[34:34.670 --> 34:49.670]  Like, another friend of mine, a musician friend in Minneapolis, has been telling me that if you're storing your CDs vertically, like many radio stations, many legitimate radio stations are doing, the information is actually slowly sliding down the CD.
[34:50.020 --> 35:04.300]  So, there's a question about how should we be storing our CDs, and whether or not these cheaper CDRs that we can pick up in stores are going to last 10 years, or ideally half as long as vinyl records used to.
[35:04.420 --> 35:06.110]  Can you say anything about that?
[35:06.270 --> 35:15.230]  Well, I don't know about the sliding thing exactly, but we do know that CDRs have a relatively, expected to have a relatively short lifespan.
[35:15.500 --> 35:19.420]  10 years is the common estimate, and I guess it's less if they're under a key and all that.
[35:19.940 --> 35:30.380]  The same thing with people talk about, and it's true, no one can stop us from, there's how many, whatever the number is, CDs out there with music on them, no one can stop us from copying those CDs.
[35:30.670 --> 35:40.790]  You know, they're out there, we've got computers that can do it, you know, we can put stuff onto CD, that's great, but we've seen the industries band together to, you know, make technology obsolete.
[35:41.590 --> 35:53.360]  In the short term, no one is going to be able to stop us from copying this music, but, you know, when it starts becoming impossible to find a CD player, when all your computers and CD writers all break, and there's no one out there to give you service on them,
[35:53.710 --> 36:03.290]  and then the next thing, you know, that replaces the CD is something that has, you know, more, something that, you know, is better at preventing abuse or copying or whatever.
[36:03.770 --> 36:15.460]  You know, it's just going to get harder and harder, and, you know, hopefully we'll be able to, you know, whatever, you know, means of restriction are put into place, we're able to, you know, hack into those and come up with ways to subvert them.
[36:15.570 --> 36:29.960]  But there's going to be, you know, there's going to be an end point, there's going to be where it becomes way too difficult to do that, Or the law is just absolutely not on our side, and we've seen what kind of tactics the government can resort to to make examples of people and punish them for trying to subvert these technologies.
[36:32.530 --> 36:37.250]  So, again, don't take for granted what we have, because it could definitely go away.
[36:38.550 --> 36:43.810]  Probably not in the next couple of months, but in the next few years, we're potentially going to see very big changes.
[36:43.900 --> 36:48.500]  We're already seeing laws that are restricting freedoms in ways that we never imagined were going to happen.
[36:49.690 --> 36:53.420]  Making it illegal for us to even study how something works, that's reverse engineering.
[36:53.730 --> 36:54.730]  You can't reverse engineer.
[36:56.490 --> 37:00.610]  So, in an environment where laws like that can be passed, you've got to be really worried.
[37:00.750 --> 37:04.400]  You've got to actively be working to get out there and stop this stuff from happening.
[37:07.340 --> 37:08.820]  So, you might want to play your little show.
[37:08.900 --> 37:09.440]  Oh, sure.
[37:10.320 --> 37:12.860]  I could indulge you for two minutes.
[37:14.580 --> 37:16.800]  This is a two-minute-long show.
[37:18.180 --> 37:19.820]  I hope it'll play all right.
[37:34.240 --> 37:36.140]  At first, I thought it was just a dream.
[37:36.380 --> 37:48.260]  But then, as it continued incessantly, I realized there was a family of stray cats outside, awaiting my arousal for food, warmth, and love.
[37:54.940 --> 38:01.220]  McDonald's is a multinational climber, which specializes in torture and nutrition.
[38:01.760 --> 38:06.020]  While raising cattle specifically for slaughter and murder,
[38:27.960 --> 38:30.820]  with millions served every day and nutrition,
[38:34.780 --> 38:41.640]  are both of the examples of man's essential superiority, taking humanity to nature and to man himself.
[38:43.760 --> 39:02.360]  The barbaric, self-obsessive, and artificial tactics that hit there, man's third right continue to this day with the blessings of latter-day's second-stage capitalism, by Ronald McDonald and other multinationals, Catholic Incorporation, CCCU.
[39:02.820 --> 39:04.800]  Ronald Lea is in flesh.
[39:08.100 --> 39:09.680]  It was at the same time.
[39:09.820 --> 39:11.120]  And it's the last of the matter.
[39:11.540 --> 39:16.060]  Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.
[39:33.280 --> 39:35.020]  I want to make it say one thing.
[39:35.240 --> 39:39.760]  Whenever this music track thing gets up going, I should be also performing for about an hour.
[39:39.760 --> 39:46.180]  Expect something very strange, and they also will hear collages, including Jello, for sure.
[39:47.960 --> 39:56.420]  Okay, just before we get to questions, I want to point out that this wireless mic that they handed me probably costs more than our radio station.
[39:58.480 --> 40:05.580]  These days, if you want to start an FM radio station, then that's pretty much what's involved, because that's what's easy now.
[40:05.580 --> 40:10.300]  You might do info at veronica.co.uk.
[40:11.500 --> 40:23.960]  And a mono, no compressor, with 1 watt plus 5 watts is about $350 U.S. exchange, pre-built in its case.
[40:24.200 --> 40:27.140]  The amp we use, just the one station you see right here.
[40:27.440 --> 40:29.800]  That's 5 to 30, that's another $160.
[40:31.640 --> 40:36.120]  I picked up the power supply at Canal Street, the 8 amp for $5.
[40:36.320 --> 40:40.600]  The C-beam radio was modified for $2 over cost.
[40:40.660 --> 40:43.340]  Some cables, a few resistors to put the audio in.
[40:43.520 --> 40:50.800]  The timer that Mr. E is holding is the secret to turning on the radio station when you're not home, for instance.
[40:50.940 --> 40:52.240]  It also keeps you on schedule.
[40:53.180 --> 40:56.760]  You see, what I'm really saying, well I'm telling you how to do this specifically.
[40:56.760 --> 41:11.400]  Oh, by the way, red, underscore, orchestra at hotmail.com, and I type about 40 words an hour if you want to get in touch with me and start a station.
[41:11.620 --> 41:12.940]  Anyone else want to give me an email?
[41:14.820 --> 41:19.820]  Well, I might as well say that the bio about me is incorrect, and I don't run the free music archive.
[41:20.520 --> 41:21.240]  Thank you.
[41:22.300 --> 41:26.080]  I do have a site which is at free-music.com slash Ken.
[41:26.460 --> 41:28.820]  No affiliation to the free music archive, however.
[41:29.300 --> 41:33.740]  And information about all the radio shows that I do at upcoming events are available there as well.
[41:34.700 --> 41:36.260]  I actually also have a correction.
[41:36.420 --> 41:37.800]  I've actually never been to Philadelphia.
[41:39.600 --> 41:44.480]  And actually, I guess as long as we're testifying, I'm no longer known as Mystery.
[41:44.780 --> 41:49.580]  I had to kill him off once the Village Voice put him in an article.
[41:49.840 --> 41:58.040]  So there is no mystery, but if you'd like to contact Perfect Radio, you can at perfectradio at hotmail.com.
[41:58.040 --> 42:06.560]  And I'd like to just apologize to Ken for saying that he runs a site that he doesn't necessarily...
[42:06.560 --> 42:08.460]  However, it is a good site.
[42:08.460 --> 42:09.040]  But I love the site.
[42:09.120 --> 42:10.040]  It is a great site.
[42:10.300 --> 42:12.180]  There's a lot of really interesting articles.
[42:12.480 --> 42:19.660]  The really well-known one written by Steve Alvini about how all the major bands are being screwed by the labels.
[42:19.660 --> 42:23.460]  And the Negativland article about compact discs.
[42:23.600 --> 42:29.520]  And how the major labels have been overcharging us for years for compact discs.
[42:29.580 --> 42:34.400]  As their prices for making them have gone down, they've continued at the same price.
[42:34.600 --> 42:38.360]  And continued paying the artists the same amount that they were...
[42:38.360 --> 42:42.060]  The same percentage that they were originally giving them when they were still selling vinyl records.
[42:42.220 --> 42:43.780]  But I do apologize to Ken.
[42:43.820 --> 42:44.300]  That's fine.
[42:44.380 --> 42:46.640]  And you should really support the Free Music philosophy.
[42:46.960 --> 42:48.780]  That site is a non-profit organization.
[42:48.780 --> 42:52.600]  There are other ones out there that are not-for-profit, which are about distributing music.
[42:52.940 --> 42:56.500]  Not a profit to the organizations that are doing it.
[42:56.580 --> 42:59.580]  You've got to work to create more outlets like that.
[43:00.640 --> 43:03.280]  I'd like to bring up a subject strictly for hackers.
[43:03.560 --> 43:07.140]  Because it's definitely an in-between between radio and hacking.
[43:07.680 --> 43:09.180]  It's called arrow boards.
[43:09.300 --> 43:11.740]  When you drive on the highway, there are these boards.
[43:11.760 --> 43:15.480]  Originally they used to say, caution, turn left, caution, turn left.
[43:15.580 --> 43:16.640]  They used to flash lights.
[43:16.880 --> 43:17.740]  But now they're smart.
[43:17.740 --> 43:21.160]  They usually carry something such as cellular phones.
[43:21.300 --> 43:23.300]  You'll see a little antenna on them.
[43:23.480 --> 43:29.700]  They take a coded message over and directly over the airways, which is computer generated.
[43:30.000 --> 43:32.140]  And they create entire graphics.
[43:32.360 --> 43:33.720]  And it could say things like...
[43:34.440 --> 43:41.360]  It could say something like, the New York State throwaway authority advises you to slow down to 35 miles an hour.
[43:41.360 --> 43:46.160]  Because heavy rains have been, warnings have been posted.
[43:46.380 --> 43:50.140]  But you can put them on and say, Hacker 2000 conference.
[43:50.640 --> 43:54.740]  Or you can say, I'm going on the air at 2 p.m.
[43:55.200 --> 43:57.480]  on 5.30 a.m.
[43:57.500 --> 44:01.380]  And then of course people turn their car radios to 5.30 a.m.
[44:01.380 --> 44:02.720]  And they hear a lot.
[44:03.140 --> 44:05.140]  This is the Royal Red Orchestra New York State.
[44:05.220 --> 44:07.660]  Hacker through a highway advisory radio station.
[44:07.880 --> 44:10.700]  We wish to inform you that pirate radio is not a crime.
[44:11.100 --> 44:15.080]  If you just tune in, tune in to our website or our phone number and blah, blah, blah.
[44:16.360 --> 44:20.520]  Or that you are not listening to enough pirate radio and you should do it yourself.
[44:21.920 --> 44:24.320]  I guess we are going to open it to questions.
[44:24.560 --> 44:36.880]  I would also like to echo Professor Klystron's words about Emanuel Goldstein and his wonderful show, Off the Hook, which airs all around the world through the internet now, by the way.
[44:37.360 --> 44:41.920]  But also specifically on WBAI on Tuesday evenings at 8 p.m.
[44:41.960 --> 44:45.620]  They have had some incredible programs over the last few months.
[44:45.620 --> 44:59.220]  Especially back in late November, early December when Amy Goodman was calling in from Seattle as she was under attack by the police force, who knows, National Guard or whatever.
[44:59.860 --> 45:09.560]  She is calling in to Emmanuel Goldstein giving a play-by-play description of cops tear-gassing her and thousands, tens of thousands of innocent protesters.
[45:10.040 --> 45:14.860]  So, you know, pirate radio is one way for us all to get access to the free airwaves.
[45:14.860 --> 45:22.840]  But another way just to be affected by it is to keep tuning in to WBAI or specifically to Off the Hook.
[45:23.280 --> 45:29.600]  And my hat is off to Emanuel Goldstein and the 2600 people for that great show and for also putting on this great conference.
[45:29.860 --> 45:34.760]  Now, I guess we can open up the... are you guys game for opening it up to questions?
[45:34.780 --> 45:41.700]  If anyone has any questions about MP3s or radio streaming, you know, maybe we can try to answer them.
[45:41.700 --> 45:44.420]  So, how about you right there?
[45:44.740 --> 45:46.860]  Oh, okay.
[45:47.100 --> 45:47.320]  You.
[45:55.060 --> 45:57.320]  Emanuel asked us not to turn it on.
[45:57.460 --> 46:04.560]  It's just sensible because, for instance, you guys did a very good job of showing the play last night.
[46:04.560 --> 46:06.680]  We have people walking in and out.
[46:06.860 --> 46:09.380]  An unfriendly crowd wouldn't be a good thing for a host.
[46:09.680 --> 46:11.580]  Let me just explain how it works, okay?
[46:12.540 --> 46:14.040]  Our system in particular.
[46:14.360 --> 46:17.760]  You see, what it's about is solving problems for pirate radio.
[46:17.820 --> 46:20.180]  Making it friendly, making it easy, making it reliable.
[46:20.180 --> 46:22.180]  On the top is a...
[46:22.180 --> 46:23.120]  Start with the timer.
[46:23.340 --> 46:23.740]  Oh, okay.
[46:23.860 --> 46:27.360]  The timer means you do not necessarily have to be there.
[46:27.580 --> 46:28.360]  It's a Radio Shack.
[46:28.520 --> 46:30.380]  It's 611065.
[46:30.840 --> 46:33.320]  Will be the source if you're plugging into the AC lines.
[46:33.460 --> 46:35.920]  A media station comes on with one-second accuracy.
[46:36.080 --> 46:48.820]  Anybody who's transmitting, anybody who's listening, anyone who's just doing a wireless signal into the station, they're all split-second accuracy, and they're there or always square.
[46:50.320 --> 46:53.180]  But the station, as a rule, runs off of 12 volts.
[46:55.280 --> 46:56.800]  Okay, you don't have to move anything around.
[46:58.420 --> 47:02.560]  What I'm holding right now is a wireless microphone, which is not a wireless studio.
[47:02.780 --> 47:03.900]  A wireless microphone goes...
[47:04.420 --> 47:09.320]  It's a, I don't know, $500 or $1,000 Mr. Microphone.
[47:09.420 --> 47:12.900]  It's a very short-range, super-professional sounding radio.
[47:12.900 --> 47:17.120]  What we do is we use a modified CD radio to bring the audio.
[47:17.380 --> 47:19.980]  It's just a very easy, sensible cure.
[47:20.160 --> 47:21.580]  And it's duplicatable.
[47:21.860 --> 47:28.320]  It brings the audio, and then it carries it into a genuine factory, cottage industry built...
[47:28.320 --> 47:30.220]  No, get your hands away so people can hear it.
[47:30.380 --> 47:31.400]  See, it's beautiful.
[47:31.740 --> 47:36.900]  It's a Veronica 1 and 5 watt mono...
[47:37.500 --> 47:39.560]  Because that's what we ordered without a compressor.
[47:39.560 --> 47:40.900]  We get along with that one.
[47:41.640 --> 47:45.020]  Factory built English FM radio station.
[47:45.380 --> 47:50.460]  And above it is a little tiny Veronica amp, which kicks it up to 30 watts.
[47:50.620 --> 47:56.400]  Which will give you a typical 12 miles if you use an Omni antenna, such as a Comet.
[47:56.860 --> 48:01.060]  Below it is the power supply, $5 from 269 Canal Street.
[48:02.180 --> 48:03.720]  But generally, you pay about $50.
[48:04.540 --> 48:05.940]  You can home make antennas.
[48:06.100 --> 48:07.520]  You can buy antennas.
[48:08.320 --> 48:09.860]  One of my antennas was free.
[48:10.020 --> 48:10.720]  It was after dark.
[48:10.760 --> 48:12.460]  Actually, it was broken and unwanted.
[48:13.340 --> 48:16.620]  And a CB antenna is the lifeblood of carrying audio.
[48:16.860 --> 48:18.000]  This is only FM.
[48:18.660 --> 48:22.920]  You see, when I take WBAI and play it on CB, that's the reverse of what this is.
[48:22.920 --> 48:24.700]  This is CB into FM.
[48:24.900 --> 48:25.840]  And you don't have to be there.
[48:26.020 --> 48:27.760]  And you don't have to turn it on or off.
[48:29.180 --> 48:30.620]  It's only a solution.
[48:30.820 --> 48:31.780]  It's a duplicatable.
[48:32.080 --> 48:32.460]  It's easy.
[48:32.580 --> 48:34.300]  And that's what you should try to make your pirate radio.
[48:34.440 --> 48:36.720]  You should try to make it reliable, clean on the air.
[48:36.720 --> 48:38.620]  You should make it totally portable.
[48:38.920 --> 48:50.880]  12 volts is good for everything from canoes, to bush planes, to automobiles, to your bedroom, to your kitchen, to your motorcycle battery at the picnic.
[48:51.240 --> 49:03.180]  What it's really about is results-oriented, brand-making, where the station builds up and makes everything from better programs to better reliability to keeps people working together.
[49:04.060 --> 49:25.360]  I might add that this is only the first studio because anybody who has that little CB on the top, a tiny power supply source of any kind, and even a homemade antenna, is a potential studio for the Red Orchestra or for Perfect Radio or for any station that's doing this in the tremendous range of CB.
[49:25.680 --> 49:30.080]  When something goes on in the air and it's not friendly to us or something, it pops in.
[49:30.080 --> 49:33.620]  We just hope for that it's humorous because we laugh with it.
[49:35.340 --> 49:36.760]  Yeah, you had a question there.
[49:37.360 --> 49:37.760]  The
[49:47.600 --> 49:53.960]  fact is that, you know, part of the FCC is what you're doing is trying to keep the stations from walking on top of each other.
[49:54.480 --> 49:55.440]  And they're related to the hackers.
[49:55.620 --> 49:59.920]  I mean, if everyone can pick their own IP address and throw it on there, I think there's a chaos in the unit.
[50:00.220 --> 50:01.560]  So, I mean, how do you deal with that?
[50:01.560 --> 50:10.540]  How do you make sure that while you're expressing your free speech and providing climate that's different, that you're not screwing other people?
[50:10.700 --> 50:13.740]  Let me tell you, there's something called bumper cars, okay?
[50:14.360 --> 50:23.180]  When a seagull takes off for flight every day, he has no assurance that he's going to find enough food.
[50:23.180 --> 50:29.780]  There are no guarantees except that license that they created for gigantic multinational corporations and whatnot.
[50:30.320 --> 50:36.380]  It's what is heading somewhat toward, but basically it's license stations that handed to the FCC.
[50:36.800 --> 50:37.700]  I'll get it to you in a second.
[50:38.200 --> 50:44.740]  There are no guarantees because there is nobody who has any rights to be the big cheese.
[50:45.180 --> 50:52.420]  When you speak, you have a right to speak properly and to be allowed to speak, but you don't have to be the only person anybody can speak against you.
[50:52.680 --> 51:04.240]  Just as your voice can be drowned out, your signal can be drowned out, there is no reason whatsoever why any radio station has a right not to be interfered with another radio station.
[51:04.680 --> 51:11.240]  We try to, for practical instances, want to make exceptions to that with what we label distress calls.
[51:11.240 --> 51:23.220]  Anything such as, anything two ways such as aircraft, anything that we love to abuse, like the FC, like the, what I just call it abuse, use, like the CB.
[51:24.380 --> 51:29.880]  I respect the Channel 9, I just happen to like the idea that there is an emergency channel, right?
[51:30.080 --> 51:34.020]  Besides from distress, it's bumper cars.
[51:34.220 --> 51:43.420]  Nobody, I don't care who it is, Channel 7, ABC in New York City, and another TV station wanted to turn on their frequency.
[51:43.820 --> 51:47.620]  Ultimately, nobody has a right to the airwaves over anybody else.
[51:47.980 --> 51:52.880]  If the radio waves are the same as your voice, nobody has a right to be the big cheese.
[51:54.000 --> 52:02.800]  If I can just follow up on it, Ralph Nader used to speak about how corporations now have greater rights or more rights than a lot of individuals.
[52:02.800 --> 52:14.000]  So, with the consolidation of the radio spectrum, it's gotten to the point where some stations, some companies are owning over 800 radio stations across the country.
[52:14.520 --> 52:18.240]  So, even if we are interfering with them, which we don't advise.
[52:19.800 --> 52:30.220]  But, I mean, it's to our benefit to choose an unoccupied frequency and to keep a clear signal so that our signal won't be interrupted or interfered with by theirs.
[52:31.000 --> 52:32.140]  That's part of it.
[52:32.360 --> 52:39.500]  Another thing I would just like to throw out is that in other countries, like in Japan, for instance, they have a different FM spectrum than we do here.
[52:39.720 --> 52:47.000]  In Japan, they have different radios that have a spectrum from 76 to 92 or 96 megahertz.
[52:47.320 --> 52:59.360]  So, one of the things that I've been trying to get the FCC to address would be to broaden our spectrum so that we can have hundreds of new radio stations being created in cities or throughout the country, thousands throughout the country.
[52:59.360 --> 53:06.700]  If we can get them to broaden the spectrum for the next 12 years before we all go digital, which is in the cards, by the way.
[53:07.200 --> 53:23.540]  If we can get them to broaden the spectrum and create new radios or force the companies to create new radios going down to 86, and that would be simply achieved by saying to television stations that you can no longer transmit on channel 6, then we would have the FM spectrum down to 86.
[53:24.180 --> 53:27.240]  That would be a good start.
[53:27.460 --> 53:29.620]  I'm sorry, I said 86, I mean 82.
[53:29.880 --> 53:37.220]  If we were to say, if the FCC were to say also that you can't have channel 5, it would go down to 76.
[53:39.000 --> 53:46.240]  So, there are different ways that we can get these things addressed and free the airways for more people, more voices, more diversity.
[53:46.480 --> 53:47.460]  We're looking at a watch.
[53:47.640 --> 53:49.140]  We're just about to run out of time.
[53:50.540 --> 53:51.680]  Let's make it a good one.
[53:51.680 --> 53:55.360]  Can you make a point about making sure we don't get caught?
[53:56.280 --> 53:57.020]  It's time for
[54:02.340 --> 54:04.420]  the 4th and we're not going to leave without the open.
[54:04.740 --> 54:05.340]  It's your deal.
[54:07.160 --> 54:10.380]  How do you get to be able to transmit in such a way that you don't find your intent?
[54:12.460 --> 54:14.400]  Let me just say, we're out of time.
[54:14.840 --> 54:16.880]  I've only scratched the surface.
[54:17.700 --> 54:19.560]  We'll be available for questions.
[54:19.780 --> 54:20.320]  Yes, we will.
[54:20.400 --> 54:31.160]  We'll be in the display area over there, but I would just like to say that if you're transmitting 24 hours a day for a few weeks, you'll be safe, but not for very long.
[54:31.360 --> 54:44.560]  If you're transmitting a couple times every day or a couple minutes every day or a couple hours every day with the limited range and you're not interfering with anyone else's signal, any other radio station's signal, it's pretty unlikely that the FCC is going to find you.
[54:44.660 --> 55:01.020]  The only way that they usually can find you is if another radio station makes the files a complaint with them and says, this station is interfering with our signal, which has happened, but if you're not transmitting regularly, you know, regular hours for extended hours all day,
[55:01.160 --> 55:03.880]  all night, then it's a lot more unlikely.
[55:04.240 --> 55:07.280]  And with a timer, it's sort of like a victimless crime.
[55:07.720 --> 55:09.160]  There's no criminal.
[55:09.800 --> 55:11.840]  So, I hear what you're saying, though.
[55:11.840 --> 55:18.360]  Okay, just remember that they mainly... your government agency mainly just practical purposes.
[55:18.920 --> 55:29.620]  Initially, they only find you by where the public has reported your signal to be heard from for practical purposes.
[55:30.460 --> 55:33.760]  It's rarely, unless you run tremendous power, that they find you themselves.
[55:33.760 --> 55:40.040]  Listen, our show is out of time, and... Can we take one more call?
[55:40.820 --> 55:42.340]  We're just a few minutes short.
[55:45.120 --> 55:46.320]  Stand up.
[55:46.520 --> 55:47.380]  Stand up.
[55:49.460 --> 55:51.680]  My question is regarding AM radio.
[55:52.440 --> 55:56.880]  I don't understand you do not need a license to broadcast on AM.
[56:01.240 --> 56:06.780]  AM is radically different from FM in terms of its wavelength and the way it bounces.
[56:08.580 --> 56:14.160]  For instance, WFAT, its first night of Operation 50 Watt military set out of Brooklyn.
[56:14.740 --> 56:19.220]  The first call back they got when they dared to give out their phone number was Albany, New York.
[56:19.380 --> 56:20.080]  It was nighttime.
[56:21.220 --> 56:29.220]  AM radio is just going to be, in terms of licensing, is going to be very much the same picture as FM in a very short time of perhaps a year or so.
[56:29.460 --> 56:29.620]  So...