[00:00.000 --> 00:07.880]  And I'm looking at this dog, and if you handle dogs, you know anything about dogs, there's two ways of a dog's growling.
[00:08.000 --> 00:09.300]  One is, grrr.
[00:10.180 --> 00:12.700]  The other is, grrr.
[00:14.200 --> 00:16.880]  You don't want to hear, grrr.
[00:19.340 --> 00:25.000]  It's a signal that you're not just dealing with a dog, as I would find out.
[00:25.520 --> 00:29.720]  You're dealing with a dog that knows how to do serious damage.
[00:30.840 --> 00:32.100]  He's got that instinct.
[00:32.740 --> 00:34.560]  He's got that wolf instinct.
[00:35.660 --> 00:47.880]  And I'm standing at attention, and I have to tell you, I can remember every excretion that my body was putting out at that moment.
[00:48.140 --> 00:51.780]  I was terrified, because that dog, that's what he was doing.
[00:52.380 --> 00:58.760]  And as our sergeant came down, and by that time, I'd already been through what they call combat defense training.
[00:58.760 --> 01:00.160]  I was in security police.
[01:00.360 --> 01:03.560]  I had learned to react what the sergeant said you'd do.
[01:04.100 --> 01:04.820]  Do you understand?
[01:05.040 --> 01:10.520]  That would follow me right through the Justice Department, working for DEA in South America and Southeast Asia.
[01:10.720 --> 01:11.480]  That training.
[01:11.580 --> 01:21.600]  They love guys who come out of the military, who follow orders, whose first loyalty is to the bureaucracy, whose first loyalty is not to you guys.
[01:23.100 --> 01:24.060]  Do you understand?
[01:24.660 --> 01:25.900]  You've got to listen to my show.
[01:26.000 --> 01:28.540]  There's an interesting show that's going to be on Monday.
[01:28.700 --> 01:30.240]  I did with the FBI historian.
[01:31.120 --> 01:39.540]  And we talked about a certain kind of person who goes into an agency, a bureaucracy, a military, not really to serve.
[01:40.180 --> 01:42.020]  Because he doesn't think much of you.
[01:43.060 --> 01:45.300]  He wants to be in this agency.
[01:45.480 --> 01:46.520]  He wants to be cloisted.
[01:46.520 --> 01:48.740]  He wants to be protected from you.
[01:48.840 --> 01:50.460]  He wants to have power over you.
[01:51.760 --> 01:53.240]  The wrong kind of person.
[01:54.840 --> 01:59.320]  Well, let's go back to me at this particular time when I was a perfect mold.
[01:59.420 --> 02:00.140]  I was the guy.
[02:00.680 --> 02:04.780]  And the sergeant is coming down and he's bang, bang, go in.
[02:05.080 --> 02:06.320]  Bang, go in.
[02:06.780 --> 02:07.900]  Bang, go in.
[02:07.900 --> 02:15.940]  And what that meant is, no matter what that dog, that animal was doing, you sucked it up and you stepped in.
[02:16.340 --> 02:17.980]  And I could hear dogs growling.
[02:18.060 --> 02:19.340]  I could hear dogs biting guys.
[02:23.070 --> 02:27.090]  Now you imagine, I would rather face a gun than a poodle.
[02:27.850 --> 02:29.630]  And I'm looking at this thing.
[02:31.230 --> 02:35.970]  And the sergeant taps me on the shoulder and he says, go in.
[02:37.410 --> 02:47.470]  And what I found out about myself was that either I was courageous enough to suck up all that fear or I was a coward.
[02:48.330 --> 02:50.210]  And I couldn't say no to that sergeant.
[02:51.790 --> 02:54.590]  You tell me what the answer is, but I did step in.
[02:58.040 --> 03:02.320]  And what happened was, that dog stood about right there.
[03:04.040 --> 03:06.340]  And he continued to growl.
[03:06.860 --> 03:10.280]  A couple of minutes that seemed like I can still hear the echo.
[03:12.260 --> 03:16.480]  And then I so froze that he got bored.
[03:18.080 --> 03:21.560]  And he went back into his little kennel house, you know?
[03:23.080 --> 03:26.120]  And that's... I was empowered.
[03:26.320 --> 03:26.500]  Do you understand?
[03:26.840 --> 03:31.480]  I had this tremendous feeling of power high that no drug can give you.
[03:31.860 --> 03:32.600]  No drug.
[03:32.700 --> 03:35.180]  A person a little high that no drug can give you.
[03:35.620 --> 03:42.800]  Now all these years later, one of the things that terrified me as much as facing a dog was doing this.
[03:42.900 --> 03:45.020]  Standing up here and talking to an audience.
[03:47.740 --> 03:55.180]  And DEA, the Drug Enforcement Administration, this is during the Vietnam War, had a speakers bureau.
[03:55.700 --> 04:07.060]  And they wanted a volunteer to go out to Brooklyn College during the Vietnam War and tell the audience what an undercover narc does.
[04:10.220 --> 04:12.460]  And, of course, nobody volunteered.
[04:12.480 --> 04:18.640]  We knew that you're going out there to be a target, to be derision, to be ridiculed, to be jeered.
[04:18.760 --> 04:22.580]  Because the battle lines were clearly drawn at that point in our history.
[04:24.040 --> 04:25.920]  It was us against them.
[04:27.320 --> 04:28.400]  Do you understand?
[04:28.400 --> 04:32.040]  The Constitution that you swore to uphold no longer meant shit.
[04:32.680 --> 04:38.360]  You are now in a bureaucracy that defended itself against you.
[04:40.120 --> 04:41.460]  And I was part of that.
[04:41.960 --> 04:43.940]  But I was also ripped by this fear.
[04:44.100 --> 04:46.180]  I had to face this fear.
[04:47.560 --> 04:48.940]  And my partner was a guy.
[04:49.020 --> 04:50.400]  If you read my books, you'll know.
[04:50.480 --> 04:52.640]  My partner was a guy named Skippy Garcia.
[04:53.560 --> 04:56.120]  And Skippy and I, we didn't get along.
[04:57.400 --> 04:58.560]  We worked good together.
[04:58.660 --> 04:59.720]  We were a good undercover team.
[04:59.720 --> 05:01.500]  I played Mr. Big.
[05:01.660 --> 05:02.540]  He was the street guy.
[05:02.780 --> 05:04.180]  And we had informers.
[05:04.360 --> 05:06.040]  And that night, we had an informer.
[05:06.460 --> 05:07.900]  And here's the thing about informers.
[05:08.300 --> 05:10.000]  Informers set people up for us.
[05:10.780 --> 05:13.580]  And nobody gives a damn what the informer...
[05:13.580 --> 05:18.440]  The only thing that the government cared about, that Congress cared about, that the U.S.
[05:18.520 --> 05:20.640]  Attorney cared about, were numbers.
[05:22.260 --> 05:27.340]  Now, the informers found out that they could put anybody in jail and get paid for it.
[05:28.620 --> 05:35.980]  And why put a dangerous guy in jail if I could get away with giving up a local cab driver or a local friend?
[05:36.120 --> 05:36.480]  Why?
[05:36.680 --> 05:37.960]  Why worry about it?
[05:38.540 --> 05:41.080]  If I can give up my cousin's boyfriend?
[05:41.940 --> 05:43.440]  I didn't have to worry about him.
[05:43.520 --> 05:49.480]  All I had to do was convince the cop that the guy was a drug dealer and then find a way to set him up.
[05:50.380 --> 05:52.900]  And now, that happened all the time.
[05:53.100 --> 05:53.480]  Do you understand?
[05:53.620 --> 05:54.220]  All the time.
[05:54.440 --> 05:58.360]  So, what it depended on is how good the agent is.
[05:58.480 --> 06:00.320]  How good the police officer is.
[06:00.440 --> 06:05.700]  How honest he is in the playing of this informant game that you're all about to become involved in.
[06:07.320 --> 06:08.700]  How good is he?
[06:08.780 --> 06:09.840]  So, me and Skippy...
[06:11.520 --> 06:13.600]  Skippy, again, like I said, we didn't get along.
[06:13.600 --> 06:14.540]  We're driving out there.
[06:15.180 --> 06:16.700]  Before I went out there, the head of the...
[06:17.280 --> 06:18.940]  You know, guys, by the way, please bear with me.
[06:19.040 --> 06:20.600]  We're just waiting for the VHS to get here.
[06:23.180 --> 06:27.220]  Before we got out there, the head of the Speakers Bureau told me...
[06:27.220 --> 06:29.000]  He said, you know what you do, kid?
[06:29.980 --> 06:32.780]  You see, you gotta tell these pinkos a joke.
[06:33.680 --> 06:34.700]  That'll loosen them up.
[06:36.300 --> 06:39.300]  You know, I said, well, Ernie, what do you mean a joke?
[06:39.700 --> 06:40.840]  A joke, a joke.
[06:41.020 --> 06:44.040]  You know, you tell them like, here's a joke I use, he said.
[06:45.040 --> 06:46.280]  Guy goes to the doctor.
[06:46.820 --> 06:50.700]  The doctor says, I got good news, I got bad news.
[06:51.420 --> 06:53.350]  He says, the bad news is you got Alzheimer's.
[06:53.900 --> 06:55.820]  The good news is next week you won't give a shit.
[06:56.980 --> 06:59.220]  He said, you want me to tell that to Brooklyn?
[07:03.950 --> 07:06.010]  He said, you want me to tell that to Brooklyn College?
[07:08.630 --> 07:09.390]  I'm terrified.
[07:09.930 --> 07:13.310]  And Skippy on top of this, my partner, is saying, we got informers.
[07:13.310 --> 07:14.090]  We got cases.
[07:14.210 --> 07:15.230]  We're going to be up all night.
[07:15.310 --> 07:16.330]  Why do you got to do this?
[07:16.410 --> 07:17.090]  What are you doing?
[07:17.330 --> 07:19.470]  You know, I don't never want to work with you.
[07:19.670 --> 07:20.930]  And I am working with you.
[07:21.010 --> 07:22.190]  And I don't never want to work with you.
[07:22.710 --> 07:25.050]  I said, I had to face this fear.
[07:25.090 --> 07:28.210]  How do you tell people about these secret inner things?
[07:28.990 --> 07:38.630]  Now I cut to me in front of Brooklyn College, an audience as big as this, staring.
[07:39.810 --> 07:40.970]  Jeering at me already.
[07:43.350 --> 07:43.750]  Antagonistic.
[07:44.470 --> 07:47.510]  I could feel, and maybe rightfully so.
[07:47.590 --> 07:48.870]  I mean, I was an undercover knock.
[07:50.670 --> 07:52.930]  That's pretty scary to these people.
[07:53.050 --> 07:54.690]  But there I was, up there vulnerable.
[07:54.890 --> 07:55.350]  Do you understand?
[07:55.350 --> 07:56.070]  I'm vulnerable.
[07:56.270 --> 07:56.550]  I'm up there.
[07:56.650 --> 07:57.130]  I'm a target.
[07:57.250 --> 08:00.030]  You can get rid of all of this aggression right now.
[08:01.710 --> 08:02.850]  And they were doing it.
[08:03.450 --> 08:06.670]  And all I'm thinking of is, joke.
[08:08.130 --> 08:08.610]  Joke.
[08:09.310 --> 08:14.810]  And I look over and there's my partner, Garcia, just shaking his head, ready to slide under the chair.
[08:15.850 --> 08:17.990]  And there's a murmur and jeering.
[08:18.250 --> 08:28.850]  And now a professor gets up and he says, we have here from the Drug Enforcement Administration, undercover agent, Michael Levine.
[08:28.970 --> 08:31.610]  He's going to tell us what undercover agents do.
[08:39.790 --> 08:41.310]  Oh, holy crap.
[08:41.530 --> 08:44.010]  This to me was worse than facing silver.
[08:44.890 --> 08:52.070]  So I stood there for a moment and my brain frantically groped for a joke.
[08:53.210 --> 08:55.830]  And I said these words, exactly these words.
[08:58.810 --> 09:05.870]  My name is Michael Levine and I'm a special agent with the Drug Enforcement Administration.
[09:07.670 --> 09:15.210]  And before I can speak, it is a regulation of the Justice Department that everyone here has to be searched.
[09:21.130 --> 09:29.350]  So will you all please rise and empty out your pockets and my partner, Emilio Garcia, will circulate.
[09:31.010 --> 09:34.070]  And I look over and Garcia was under the seat.
[09:37.840 --> 09:38.960]  And there was a beep.
[09:40.140 --> 09:42.680]  And then everybody rushed for one door.
[09:44.800 --> 09:50.780]  And I was, there was one guy who was jeering me more than anybody who was, he was afraid to move.
[09:50.980 --> 09:52.220]  It sounded like rain.
[09:52.360 --> 09:54.480]  Everything was going out of pockets and people were running.
[09:54.700 --> 09:56.080]  And he went cataleptic.
[09:56.220 --> 09:58.640]  And the last words, it's a joke.
[10:01.420 --> 10:02.100]  It's a joke.
[10:05.120 --> 10:08.700]  So, and the only reason I'm telling you this story, which is not a joke.
[10:08.800 --> 10:10.120]  This is a true story, by the way.
[10:10.220 --> 10:12.220]  I don't think you could make up anything like this.
[10:12.320 --> 10:15.300]  I don't think you could make up anything in my life.
[10:17.440 --> 10:21.040]  But what I'm going to do tonight is try to pull these dots.
[10:21.140 --> 10:22.460]  I can see the VHS is here.
[10:22.760 --> 10:27.200]  What I'm going to do tonight, this afternoon, I hope it's valuable to you.
[10:27.540 --> 10:37.700]  I want to try and educate you to understand what is being done to you, why it's not in media, and what is about to happen.
[10:38.400 --> 10:42.400]  How bad it is, and you don't already, and why you don't know it.
[10:44.040 --> 10:47.020]  And if you say, yeah, you know, I'm getting nervous.
[10:48.380 --> 10:49.240]  That's what I want.
[10:49.860 --> 10:51.100]  I want you to be nervous.
[10:52.480 --> 10:54.700]  If you say, I don't know, do I trust this guy?
[10:54.800 --> 10:55.660]  He's an undercover...
[10:55.660 --> 10:59.060]  You know, I have to tell you, I've been on WBAI for five years now.
[10:59.320 --> 11:01.960]  And there's still people on WBAI who don't trust me.
[11:02.400 --> 11:03.380]  Of course, I wasn't...
[11:03.380 --> 11:14.260]  One guy stops me in the hallway, and I swear, you know, did you ever see cartoon characters for people stoned, you know, with X's they put over the eyes?
[11:14.920 --> 11:19.460]  So I'm confronted with a guy at WBAI who's got like two X's.
[11:21.240 --> 11:26.260]  And he says, you know, people think you're a plant.
[11:27.980 --> 11:29.440]  I said, a plant?
[11:29.720 --> 11:30.620]  What kind of plant?
[11:30.780 --> 11:31.720]  A tomato plant?
[11:33.140 --> 11:35.000]  You know what I mean.
[11:35.160 --> 11:35.540]  You know.
[11:38.360 --> 11:39.160]  No, I don't know.
[11:39.400 --> 11:41.020]  Like, you're a plant for the government.
[11:41.220 --> 11:41.940]  You're gonna...
[11:41.940 --> 11:44.380]  He said, well, let me ask you something.
[11:44.520 --> 11:45.120]  How am I doing?
[11:45.300 --> 11:47.020]  Am I getting close to my mission here?
[11:55.000 --> 11:55.720]  So, while...
[11:57.420 --> 11:58.800]  I can... Yeah, go ahead, buddy.
[12:04.450 --> 12:08.570]  Talking to one of these people, they might recognize you a couple years later in an actual operation.
[12:08.770 --> 12:17.970]  You know, that's a good... He said, why would they have an undercover cop going up in front who might actually, you know, be seen?
[12:18.990 --> 12:23.670]  One of the first messages that you've just picked up, and I congratulate you for it, is...
[12:23.670 --> 12:27.010]  A lot of the people running this shit are as dumb as doorknobs.
[12:36.970 --> 12:38.110]  It's a good question, though.
[12:38.250 --> 12:39.370]  You're absolutely right.
[12:40.110 --> 12:40.830]  You know, but... Yeah.
[12:41.870 --> 12:42.750]  Yeah, here it is.
[12:43.870 --> 12:45.970]  Why don't you guys stop it when I give a signal?
[12:46.130 --> 12:46.550]  Rewind it.
[12:46.550 --> 12:48.270]  And you're gonna have to amplify the sound.
[12:48.450 --> 12:50.150]  I'm getting a DV... I'm getting this thing improved.
[12:50.270 --> 12:51.250]  I apologize for it.
[12:51.930 --> 12:52.250]  But...
[12:53.370 --> 12:54.970]  We're gonna try and...
[12:56.050 --> 12:57.790]  The sound is a little low.
[12:58.090 --> 13:01.150]  I'm used to an audience of maybe 40 cops at a time.
[13:01.150 --> 13:04.110]  You know, with a 19-inch VHS.
[13:05.150 --> 13:05.870]  So I...
[13:10.880 --> 13:12.440]  I was... I wanna tell you something.
[13:12.520 --> 13:13.660]  The guy wrote a book about me.
[13:13.980 --> 13:16.860]  You know, first of all, crooks are not that smart.
[13:17.280 --> 13:18.080]  Let me tell you.
[13:18.580 --> 13:23.320]  There was a book written about me by a writer named Donald Goddard while I was a DEA agent.
[13:23.520 --> 13:25.060]  And the book is called Undercover.
[13:25.160 --> 13:25.940]  Don't even look for it.
[13:26.020 --> 13:27.280]  It's a terrible book.
[13:27.860 --> 13:28.260]  But...
[13:28.960 --> 13:32.800]  On the cover of Undercover, which came out in 1987...
[13:32.800 --> 13:34.860]  Is me, standing on the cover.
[13:34.980 --> 13:36.600]  And I was still an active Undercover agent.
[13:37.140 --> 13:38.140]  And DEA...
[13:38.640 --> 13:40.360]  Gave him permission to write the book.
[13:43.920 --> 13:44.320]  So...
[13:44.320 --> 13:47.140]  I decided for the hell of it...
[13:47.740 --> 13:48.140]  That...
[13:48.140 --> 13:51.180]  Instead of using my badge, I was gonna try to lock a guy up with the book.
[13:56.310 --> 13:58.290]  So I go out in Washington Heights.
[14:00.170 --> 14:01.110]  And I'm undercover.
[14:01.310 --> 14:02.830]  And I'm buying cocaine on the street.
[14:02.990 --> 14:04.190]  Actually, we had...
[14:04.190 --> 14:05.310]  Now again, we're informers.
[14:05.390 --> 14:06.330]  We had good informers.
[14:06.330 --> 14:08.490]  We had great systems to get informers.
[14:08.910 --> 14:09.790]  If you're targeting...
[14:09.790 --> 14:10.590]  And a lot of...
[14:10.590 --> 14:13.530]  A lot of drug cases around the world overlap terrorism.
[14:14.730 --> 14:16.110]  So one of the things I wanna...
[14:16.110 --> 14:17.510]  I wanna tell you...
[14:17.510 --> 14:20.230]  Now, one of the reasons I went on the air...
[14:20.230 --> 14:21.550]  Is because...
[14:21.550 --> 14:23.290]  We're beyond a point where your left, right...
[14:23.290 --> 14:25.330]  Whatever your political beliefs mean...
[14:25.850 --> 14:26.910]  Don't mean anything anymore.
[14:27.030 --> 14:28.090]  We're right at the precipice.
[14:28.170 --> 14:29.510]  We're right at the end game now.
[14:30.570 --> 14:31.010]  We're...
[14:31.010 --> 14:33.470]  We're at a point where your politics aren't gonna mean anything.
[14:33.470 --> 14:35.930]  That's how dangerous this world has rapidly become.
[14:36.550 --> 14:37.030]  Uh...
[14:37.030 --> 14:37.530]  There's...
[14:37.530 --> 14:40.270]  I urge you to write down on the website...
[14:40.270 --> 14:41.330]  That you can...
[14:41.330 --> 14:43.450]  You can hear all our shows for a week free of charge.
[14:43.450 --> 14:46.950]  If you wanna join, you can download the whole archives for four years.
[14:48.490 --> 14:50.470]  It's expertwitnessradio.org.
[14:53.410 --> 14:54.570]  Expertwitnessradio.org.
[14:55.730 --> 14:57.970]  Now, the reason I say that...
[14:57.970 --> 15:00.090]  Is because there are...
[15:00.090 --> 15:01.450]  What I've tried to do...
[15:01.450 --> 15:02.370]  Is...
[15:03.310 --> 15:04.470]  Expertwitnessradio.org.
[15:04.670 --> 15:06.950]  What I've tried to do for the past five years...
[15:06.950 --> 15:10.470]  Is bring those few people from the inside...
[15:11.670 --> 15:13.530]  Who are willing to tell you the truth.
[15:14.130 --> 15:15.950]  Who are willing to go...
[15:15.950 --> 15:16.560]  To risk...
[15:17.330 --> 15:19.070]  Going against the bureaucracy.
[15:20.050 --> 15:21.410]  And tell you the truth.
[15:21.710 --> 15:22.350]  And they're on the air.
[15:22.430 --> 15:23.190]  You can hear their voices...
[15:23.950 --> 15:24.050]  Live.
[15:25.390 --> 15:27.870]  And that's very, very important for you.
[15:28.030 --> 15:30.070]  Because among the things that you will hear...
[15:31.130 --> 15:31.650]  Uh...
[15:31.650 --> 15:33.570]  Where I brought four federal agents on...
[15:33.570 --> 15:35.070]  With a hundred years experience...
[15:35.070 --> 15:37.070]  In CIA, FBI, DEA...
[15:37.630 --> 15:38.450]  All overseas.
[15:38.890 --> 15:42.170]  All these cases overlapped into terrorism for years.
[15:42.370 --> 15:44.130]  And we predicted in November 1998...
[15:44.890 --> 15:46.270]  The World Trade Center disaster.
[15:46.750 --> 15:48.530]  You can hear the voices yourself.
[15:48.710 --> 15:49.310]  November 1998...
[15:50.230 --> 15:51.310]  We predicted it.
[15:51.450 --> 15:52.570]  We said it was going to happen.
[15:54.530 --> 15:55.810]  Hear the voices yourself.
[15:58.330 --> 15:58.770]  Now...
[15:58.770 --> 16:00.770]  We had the kind of intelligence...
[16:00.770 --> 16:02.350]  A really good intelligence operation.
[16:02.550 --> 16:04.090]  And that's what I'm going to try and show you now.
[16:05.150 --> 16:05.590]  We'll...
[16:06.410 --> 16:08.830]  Get the information before it happens.
[16:09.430 --> 16:10.170]  Here's a situation.
[16:10.370 --> 16:12.010]  We don't have any audio from the tape.
[16:12.190 --> 16:14.250]  And we're probably not going to have any audio from the tape.
[16:14.390 --> 16:15.030]  All we have is video.
[16:15.430 --> 16:16.010]  No, it's okay.
[16:16.130 --> 16:16.690]  We'll get it hooked up.
[16:16.810 --> 16:18.570]  I just don't have the, like, books playing audio.
[16:18.770 --> 16:19.730]  We'll put a mic on top of it.
[16:19.770 --> 16:19.910]  Okay.
[16:20.170 --> 16:20.370]  Great.
[16:20.530 --> 16:20.710]  Yeah.
[16:20.790 --> 16:22.430]  If you put a mic on it, that'll be better yet.
[16:23.530 --> 16:23.870]  Yeah.
[16:24.050 --> 16:24.270]  Okay.
[16:25.150 --> 16:25.790]  Keep talking.
[16:28.870 --> 16:29.190]  Yeah.
[16:30.130 --> 16:30.710]  Yeah, please.
[16:31.570 --> 16:32.570]  And I'll give you a signal.
[16:32.690 --> 16:33.250]  Just stop it.
[16:33.710 --> 16:34.610]  Because, you know...
[16:38.610 --> 16:41.870]  And you're going to see a case right away.
[16:42.010 --> 16:43.070]  We're going to show you a clip from it.
[16:43.370 --> 16:45.610]  I helped produce a piece for 60 minutes.
[16:45.830 --> 16:46.530]  So you're going to see...
[16:46.530 --> 16:48.850]  We're going to start off with the beginning of a piece for 60 minutes.
[16:49.010 --> 16:50.350]  That's called informants.
[16:52.130 --> 16:53.910]  And we're just going to show the first part.
[16:53.910 --> 16:55.090]  And then after this is...
[16:55.090 --> 16:57.850]  At the end of the presentation, I'm going to play the whole piece.
[16:57.950 --> 16:58.830]  It's that important for you.
[16:58.890 --> 17:00.190]  It's about an 11-minute piece.
[17:00.830 --> 17:04.450]  But what's really important about this informant piece is...
[17:04.450 --> 17:09.410]  What I'm going to show you with the first case is a case that you...
[17:09.410 --> 17:10.030]  Oh, go ahead.
[17:10.130 --> 17:10.770]  Let's just...
[17:10.770 --> 17:11.730]  Let's just see how it is.
[17:11.910 --> 17:12.410]  You know, we'll get started.
[17:14.610 --> 17:15.250]  A little trouble?
[17:15.370 --> 17:15.510]  Okay.
[17:15.930 --> 17:23.890]  What we're going to show you is a case where all the way back in the mid-'80s...
[17:23.890 --> 17:25.000]  We sent informers...
[17:25.550 --> 17:26.650]  We ran a case.
[17:26.790 --> 17:27.730]  We had the informers.
[17:27.810 --> 17:28.690]  We knew how to work them.
[17:29.170 --> 17:33.670]  We ran a case from the tribal areas in Pakistan right into the John Gotti organization.
[17:35.310 --> 17:38.550]  Now, we had intelligence as to terrorism then.
[17:39.270 --> 17:39.810]  DEA.
[17:40.730 --> 17:41.270]  DEA.
[17:41.490 --> 17:42.650]  The case was killed.
[17:42.650 --> 17:45.810]  I'm going to explain to you why, you know, why this...
[17:45.810 --> 17:47.750]  How idiotic the whole thing is.
[17:47.870 --> 17:48.750]  But let's cut to now.
[17:49.270 --> 17:49.950]  Right after...
[17:49.950 --> 17:58.070]  Right after those planes flew into that building, into the World Trade Center, the news told all of you that you're getting the best from the U.S.
[17:58.210 --> 17:58.430]  government.
[17:58.830 --> 18:02.750]  That all these agencies are now talking and we forgot all these rivalries.
[18:02.930 --> 18:03.790]  Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
[18:03.790 --> 18:11.490]  24 hours later, I got a call from DEA agents who had worked in Afghanistan who said, we have informers.
[18:11.570 --> 18:11.990]  We have...
[18:11.990 --> 18:14.850]  And we called the FBI and the FBI said, we'll call you.
[18:17.070 --> 18:18.350]  Do you understand?
[18:18.630 --> 18:18.710]  Do you understand?
[18:18.710 --> 18:23.410]  And instead, these nincompoops, these inept...
[18:23.410 --> 18:32.090]  This Federal Bureau of Ineptitude, instead, was given the Patriot Act and rewarded with tons of money.
[18:32.650 --> 18:35.850]  And I had a poster I had out there before.
[18:36.130 --> 18:43.530]  And on the bottom of the poster, it said, you guys, if you want it, I'll pass it out before the night is over.
[18:43.530 --> 18:49.390]  On the bottom, I had originally put this poster may be in violation of the Patriot Act.
[18:49.630 --> 18:50.110]  Beware.
[18:50.310 --> 18:51.350]  I thought that was a joke.
[18:51.510 --> 18:54.870]  But my sweet wife, Laura, said, please take it off.
[18:56.690 --> 18:58.190]  And you know what I thought about it?
[18:58.350 --> 19:00.790]  And I realized that her fear is justified.
[19:02.550 --> 19:04.170]  Her fear is justified.
[19:06.070 --> 19:08.370]  You recognize... can you guys see that or should we...
[19:08.370 --> 19:09.270]  Okay.
[19:09.670 --> 19:11.850]  So all we need is sound and...
[19:11.850 --> 19:12.650]  You're working on it.
[19:12.970 --> 19:13.370]  Yeah.
[19:13.810 --> 19:14.610]  It looks pretty good.
[19:21.500 --> 19:23.380]  That's an attorney I worked for.
[19:25.140 --> 19:25.540]  And...
[19:41.710 --> 19:42.670]  How we doing, guys?
[19:43.430 --> 19:44.230]  All right.
[19:44.790 --> 19:46.950]  The first case, let me tell you about it so it'll save me time.
[19:47.450 --> 19:50.790]  The first case you're going to see is I am actually set...
[19:50.790 --> 19:52.290]  What happened is...
[19:52.290 --> 19:55.010]  And this is how intelligence gathering covert ops goes.
[19:55.330 --> 19:58.330]  It began with an informant in jail.
[19:59.550 --> 20:02.970]  The informant in jail calls me.
[20:03.170 --> 20:04.450]  He wants to work.
[20:05.290 --> 20:12.050]  He's serving 30 to 40 years or something like that for heroin trafficking with Pakistanis.
[20:13.010 --> 20:13.870]  He's an Italian.
[20:15.890 --> 20:16.290]  He...
[20:16.290 --> 20:17.770]  Why are you calling me?
[20:19.070 --> 20:19.910]  I asked him.
[20:20.930 --> 20:22.390]  He said, I heard about you.
[20:22.470 --> 20:24.450]  I heard that I can trust you.
[20:24.570 --> 20:25.630]  I said, well, what can I give you?
[20:26.470 --> 20:28.450]  Because informers work for something.
[20:29.270 --> 20:30.790]  I said, I can't get you out of jail.
[20:30.950 --> 20:34.090]  He said, well, I want whatever money I make goes to my wife.
[20:35.990 --> 20:37.810]  So now, this is very important.
[20:37.910 --> 20:39.510]  The man knows he cannot get out of jail.
[20:39.710 --> 20:42.210]  Now me, as an informant handler, I know that.
[20:42.530 --> 20:43.870]  And it doesn't...
[20:44.470 --> 20:46.310]  These guys don't care about their wives.
[20:46.750 --> 20:48.010]  It doesn't matter to them.
[20:49.170 --> 20:52.270]  But I know something is wrong, but I'm playing my cards.
[20:52.990 --> 20:53.430]  Correctly.
[20:54.330 --> 20:55.870]  You wait, you listen.
[20:56.050 --> 20:58.130]  Like the KGB said, you trust and verify.
[21:01.410 --> 21:03.690]  This is from the book, Deep Cover, by the way.
[21:04.110 --> 21:06.890]  Cut down trees so that our plane can land.
[21:06.970 --> 21:07.590]  Yeah, you can rewind.
[21:07.710 --> 21:08.810]  And guard our drug plane.
[21:19.650 --> 21:21.610]  What happens is...
[21:22.230 --> 21:23.410]  The case culminates.
[21:23.470 --> 21:25.270]  You'll see the culmination in about a minute or two.
[21:26.530 --> 21:29.390]  Where the John Gotti organization, we go from...
[21:30.390 --> 21:33.950]  Willie Sutton said he robbed banks because that's where the money was.
[21:33.950 --> 21:39.970]  If Willie was alive, he'd probably be working for the government, because that's where the money really is.
[21:40.210 --> 21:46.590]  Last year, various government agencies paid crooks somewhere between $40 million and infinity.
[21:46.750 --> 21:49.370]  We don't know how much, no one will say.
[21:49.650 --> 21:54.290]  It was paid to so-called criminal informants for information on drug dealers.
[21:54.530 --> 22:00.830]  The information has led to enormous busts and to horrifying mistakes, in which innocents paid dearly.
[22:00.830 --> 22:06.510]  We can't give you numbers because, again, the government does not keep track of its disasters.
[22:06.910 --> 22:09.930]  The biggest disaster may be the war on drugs itself.
[22:10.210 --> 22:16.510]  Over a decade, a hundred billion dollars has been spent, and more Americans are addicted than ever before.
[22:16.790 --> 22:19.550]  But you wouldn't believe it from watching television.
[22:25.710 --> 22:28.970]  Drug busts are television's meat and potatoes.
[22:29.550 --> 22:30.810]  Action guaranteed.
[22:31.670 --> 22:40.430]  And law enforcement and county cops to the feds bring us along to show one and all the taxpayers' money doing dangerous work.
[22:40.970 --> 22:44.590]  And most of all, they invite us in to record the results.
[22:45.530 --> 22:48.470]  The biggest senior caps I've seen in 20 years.
[22:48.730 --> 22:52.510]  Barely a week goes by without the record drug bust of the day.
[22:53.170 --> 22:53.690]  Week.
[22:54.330 --> 22:55.290]  Four centuries.
[22:55.990 --> 22:57.270]  They need the numbers.
[22:57.410 --> 22:58.310]  They need the statistics.
[22:58.470 --> 22:58.990]  It's a business.
[22:59.370 --> 23:01.350]  In our country, it's a business now.
[23:01.510 --> 23:07.350]  The agents are under pressure, career path pressure, to come up with bigger, more newsworthy cases.
[23:07.590 --> 23:09.370]  And if they don't, somebody's in trouble.
[23:09.370 --> 23:10.810]  Strange bedfellows.
[23:11.210 --> 23:15.430]  Eugene Iredale, a San Diego defense attorney, and Michael Levine.
[23:15.750 --> 23:21.070]  For 25 years, for four different agencies, America's top undercover cops.
[23:21.590 --> 23:29.650]  Both say the net result of the war on drugs is a bloated, corrupt bureaucracy, whose only measure of success is the big...
[23:29.650 --> 23:30.530]  Hey, stop that.
[23:30.630 --> 23:30.710]  Yeah.
[23:30.910 --> 23:31.290]  Right there.
[23:31.590 --> 23:31.870]  Alright.
[23:33.190 --> 23:34.610]  We're gonna play this whole...
[23:34.610 --> 23:37.210]  It's so important that you see this whole show.
[23:37.210 --> 23:42.110]  After I do the presentation, I'll make it as short and concise as I can.
[23:42.230 --> 23:48.090]  Again, I'm not used to talking to non-cops with this undercover survival, covert ops.
[23:48.250 --> 23:49.610]  I want to explain to you what you saw.
[23:50.470 --> 24:00.150]  That was the end of a case of a heroin trafficking case that went into the tribal areas of Pakistan.
[24:01.450 --> 24:05.270]  A case that began with a jailhouse informer.
[24:05.270 --> 24:11.050]  Now, the reason I say jailhouse informer is because this is critical to what's going on now.
[24:11.530 --> 24:19.530]  Are you guys all familiar with the case of Jeffrey... of, not Jeffrey Lynn Walker, the CIA agent, Johnny Mike Spann, who was killed?
[24:20.990 --> 24:30.570]  Johnny Mike Spann, if you saw it on CNN, was killed by Mujahideen in a Mujahideen prison camp.
[24:30.570 --> 24:33.250]  He went in to talk to Jeffrey Lynn Walker.
[24:34.270 --> 24:49.030]  Now, just think for a second, to us, to professionals, the first thing that we thought of is, if you could get an informer in that prison, he is worth more than his weight in gold.
[24:49.710 --> 25:05.050]  He could give you intelligence, he could have found out possibly, if he's accepted, he's already accepted by the Mujahideen, if you could get him working for you, you have an ear into possibly finding Dr. Evil himself.
[25:06.150 --> 25:13.770]  Don't forget, Jeffrey Lynn Walker was busted right away at the beginning, and now we all know, it's coming out, that he was willing to talk.
[25:14.090 --> 25:16.030]  In fact, you couldn't shut the man up.
[25:18.630 --> 25:32.690]  Instead, you had this spectacle of two CIA agents, armed and dressed up like military little soldiers, in front of every prisoner, saying, you want to talk?
[25:34.910 --> 25:44.430]  And, of course, regrettably, he was attacked, bitten, they tried to bite him to death, and killed with his own gun.
[25:46.430 --> 25:53.990]  Because, you see, it's elementary that when you want to use a prison informant, you don't do that.
[25:55.350 --> 25:58.870]  But, this is Tom Clancy's CIA, do you understand?
[25:59.390 --> 26:05.250]  So, when I get together, and I've had professionals who teach this, I teach this to police agencies.
[26:06.910 --> 26:13.790]  And, you say, this is what's spearheading our war on anti-terrorism, that kind of mentality.
[26:15.110 --> 26:17.030]  I don't know if you guys get it.
[26:17.830 --> 26:20.690]  Do you... Am I getting through?
[26:20.810 --> 26:22.310]  Is somebody confused by what I'm saying?
[26:22.310 --> 26:35.630]  Because, the next step is, these are the guys who are now given, as a reward for this amazing ineptitude, the giving away of what could have been the best informer we ever had.
[26:36.650 --> 26:49.810]  And, you know, I did a show right after this happened, and said that if I was Johnny Spann's family, I'd sue the CIA for reckless endangerment, reckless homicide.
[26:50.290 --> 26:57.010]  To send a man in to do something like that, every New York City cop knows that that's insane.
[26:57.010 --> 27:00.830]  But, that's Tom Clancy's CIA.
[27:01.830 --> 27:06.290]  That's the people our Congress has no oversight over.
[27:07.210 --> 27:11.690]  That's the people who are, at this moment, doing peace talks.
[27:12.030 --> 27:13.110]  They're everywhere.
[27:13.430 --> 27:14.510]  They're rewarded.
[27:14.670 --> 27:15.170]  Do you understand?
[27:15.290 --> 27:17.430]  And it's going to be to all our detriment.
[27:18.710 --> 27:19.770]  To all of us.
[27:20.050 --> 27:29.590]  And it's going to manifest itself in what is going to happen to everybody, to our Constitution, under the regime of these amazingly inept people.
[27:30.450 --> 27:40.230]  One of the other things I want to tell you guys is that the most dangerous people in the world, and again, in forthcoming shows we talk about it, are inept cops with guns and badges.
[27:40.370 --> 27:41.930]  People who don't know how to do the job.
[27:42.730 --> 27:46.370]  You've got a whole agency, Central Intelligence, who don't know how to do the job.
[27:46.650 --> 27:48.590]  And you can see it in that instance.
[27:48.790 --> 27:51.670]  And now, let's take where you really do the job.
[27:53.770 --> 27:55.290]  Informer calls me from jail.
[27:55.430 --> 27:56.930]  Do I go down and let...
[27:57.750 --> 27:58.750]  Now, this is New York.
[27:58.870 --> 28:00.410]  This isn't the Mujahideen.
[28:02.310 --> 28:02.750]  No.
[28:02.750 --> 28:04.070]  I never met the man.
[28:04.530 --> 28:05.510]  I never met him.
[28:05.550 --> 28:11.050]  I wouldn't take a chance on risking his information by in any way meeting him.
[28:11.050 --> 28:13.070]  I didn't trust the guards in prison.
[28:13.450 --> 28:14.950]  I didn't trust anybody.
[28:15.270 --> 28:16.670]  And he's able... he had phone time.
[28:16.790 --> 28:21.650]  He was able to call me from prison because in the Metropolitan Correction Facility they passed the phone around.
[28:21.870 --> 28:23.030]  I had to risk something.
[28:23.590 --> 28:24.550]  And that was it.
[28:24.630 --> 28:26.370]  And we began talking in code.
[28:26.470 --> 28:28.630]  I agreed to give his wife whatever he wanted.
[28:29.030 --> 28:31.150]  First thing he did was set me up...
[28:31.150 --> 28:36.250]  He called a drug dealer, a Pakistani drug dealer named Rafiq Khan.
[28:37.130 --> 28:47.270]  And he... and the informer said, Mike is a guy with the mafia, because this guy was a small, mafioso type of guy.
[28:47.750 --> 28:49.290]  Mike wants to buy drugs.
[28:51.190 --> 28:58.790]  I went out to meet Rafiq Khan, just to meet him, and he showed up with a kilo of heroin at the meeting.
[29:01.070 --> 29:06.670]  From this meeting, I then got a Pakistani courier.
[29:07.410 --> 29:11.790]  I can't... it'll take all night just to tell you this story, but my Pakistani informant...
[29:13.010 --> 29:19.670]  I sent him to Pakistan using Rafiq's information to connect with the sources in Pakistan.
[29:19.670 --> 29:28.130]  In Pakistan, DEA agent, the man living in Islamabad, was able to use the information we had...
[29:29.910 --> 29:36.050]  to monitor and surveil and electronically record our informer from New York...
[29:36.050 --> 29:39.530]  as he traveled these tribal areas making drug deals.
[29:39.950 --> 29:42.470]  And what they picked up was also terrorism.
[29:43.230 --> 29:48.370]  What they picked up was all kinds of information that was then given to central intelligence.
[29:48.370 --> 29:50.150]  very valuable information.
[29:51.030 --> 29:52.330]  Information they don't know how to get.
[29:55.190 --> 29:57.190]  Now, back to New York it comes in.
[29:57.230 --> 30:00.450]  The case culminates where I now become... I become...
[30:01.290 --> 30:04.330]  In that photo, what you saw is me posing as a Pakistani.
[30:05.610 --> 30:06.410]  No kidding.
[30:10.720 --> 30:14.400]  And me posing as a... like I said, these guys are not that bright.
[30:16.200 --> 30:17.400]  So who do I meet?
[30:17.400 --> 30:18.160]  I meet...
[30:19.360 --> 30:22.680]  Jimmy in the jail now has set up this whole trip.
[30:22.940 --> 30:28.220]  The mob guys, John Gotti organization, now knows that this Pakistani...
[30:28.220 --> 30:31.160]  I am now Omar... I forget my name... Omar Abdul...
[30:31.160 --> 30:35.940]  has been to Pakistan and made these connections and he's now back.
[30:36.280 --> 30:39.680]  And they were able to check out that and Omar Abdul was there.
[30:40.000 --> 30:41.620]  That was my guy.
[30:41.860 --> 30:43.100]  But now I am the guy.
[30:43.100 --> 30:44.240]  You guys following this?
[30:45.280 --> 30:51.240]  So now I come back and I meet a guy named Johnny Boy Johnson.
[30:52.320 --> 30:58.340]  Now, if you follow the John Gotti trials, Willie Boy Johnson is a Native American.
[30:58.600 --> 30:59.580]  He's a murderer.
[30:59.960 --> 31:00.960]  He was a murderer.
[31:01.080 --> 31:01.600]  He's dead now.
[31:02.320 --> 31:05.760]  Willie Boy Johnson was half Native American, half Sicilian.
[31:06.040 --> 31:10.480]  A boyhood friend of John Gotti's and he was in jail with my informer.
[31:10.480 --> 31:13.040]  So he heard these drug deals.
[31:13.180 --> 31:13.860]  He couldn't help it.
[31:13.900 --> 31:15.440]  He thought they were real drug deals.
[31:16.300 --> 31:22.320]  So Willie Boy sets up a meet between Omar and his son Johnny Boy.
[31:22.640 --> 31:24.680]  Father and son hit team, by the way.
[31:25.880 --> 31:29.360]  Now I go out and I get permission as an undercover agent...
[31:31.020 --> 31:35.160]  to sell the John Gotti organization heroin.
[31:35.580 --> 31:37.140]  It's called the reverse undercover.
[31:37.340 --> 31:38.680]  I'm going to sell them drugs.
[31:38.860 --> 31:39.960]  And we're going to bust them.
[31:42.440 --> 31:43.160]  Out I go.
[31:43.300 --> 31:43.740]  I'm wired.
[31:43.920 --> 31:44.540]  I'm wearing everything.
[31:44.840 --> 31:45.460]  And I am old man.
[31:45.600 --> 31:48.600]  I swear to God that this is the best shit you could...
[31:48.600 --> 31:50.080]  And whatever, you know.
[31:53.900 --> 32:00.600]  And I give him a small sample of 99% pure heroin that we got from the DEA lab.
[32:04.940 --> 32:08.720]  And he, like I said, these guys are not the brightest guys in the world.
[32:08.940 --> 32:12.300]  The only people dumber than them is the central intelligence and the FBI.
[32:12.540 --> 32:13.640]  You cannot...
[32:14.100 --> 32:14.540]  So...
[32:17.720 --> 32:20.160]  He so trusts me that...
[32:20.860 --> 32:23.640]  Now we cut to a conversation because the word goes back.
[32:23.740 --> 32:28.080]  The Gotti organization has authorized them to go through with this heroin deal with Omar.
[32:30.060 --> 32:34.740]  Now mind you, this is a violation of the whole mafia code because they're not supposed to do heroin.
[32:34.880 --> 32:36.020]  They're not supposed to do drugs.
[32:36.140 --> 32:36.740]  And we know that.
[32:36.980 --> 32:37.820]  But we don't...
[32:37.820 --> 32:43.320]  What I didn't know at this point was that the FBI was working on this same organization.
[32:43.580 --> 32:45.640]  And so was another DEA guy who you...
[32:45.640 --> 32:47.160]  If you heard the show, Eddie Magnusson.
[32:48.000 --> 32:51.800]  He was working the same organization and none of us knew it.
[32:52.620 --> 32:57.760]  A situation that still continues to this day with the anti-terrorism.
[32:58.020 --> 32:59.880]  Believe me, it still continues to this moment.
[33:00.140 --> 33:01.840]  We're still at September 10th, but only...
[33:01.840 --> 33:04.320]  Now we're at September 10th of what might be the end of this world.
[33:05.800 --> 33:06.220]  And...
[33:08.140 --> 33:09.900]  They so trusted Omar.
[33:13.080 --> 33:17.620]  That Willie boy in jail with my informer, Jimmy, starts to talk.
[33:18.420 --> 33:22.300]  And they get on the subject of physical fitness.
[33:26.040 --> 33:26.520]  And...
[33:27.860 --> 33:32.080]  Willie boy tells my informer, he said, you know when I knew I needed a fucking workout?
[33:32.740 --> 33:35.080]  He says, it was Christmas Eve last year.
[33:35.160 --> 33:36.700]  He says, hey, we gotta go hit this guy.
[33:38.560 --> 33:41.380]  And he tells about a murder that he and Johnny did.
[33:42.020 --> 33:43.100]  He says, I walk out.
[33:43.220 --> 33:45.700]  And he says, it was in front of the Brown Derby club.
[33:46.460 --> 33:46.980]  I walk out.
[33:47.100 --> 33:48.320]  He says, I see the guy come out.
[33:48.340 --> 33:49.240]  I go, bop, bop, bop.
[33:49.280 --> 33:50.340]  And I had to run to the car.
[33:50.440 --> 33:52.140]  He says, I swear I couldn't catch my fucking breath.
[33:52.240 --> 33:53.220]  I knew I had to work out.
[33:54.820 --> 33:56.560]  It's an actual conversation.
[33:59.440 --> 34:01.800]  Murder in front of the Brown Derby Christmas Eve.
[34:01.920 --> 34:02.240]  Okay.
[34:03.040 --> 34:04.000]  I call homicide.
[34:04.740 --> 34:05.720]  Homicide comes down.
[34:07.240 --> 34:12.780]  Turns out, a man named Jay Sarno was murdered by Willie boy and his son.
[34:13.360 --> 34:14.200]  How do we know?
[34:14.460 --> 34:14.740]  The witnesses...
[34:15.300 --> 34:17.300]  Well, a couple of witnesses made artists' drawings.
[34:18.400 --> 34:19.280]  It's Willie boy.
[34:19.380 --> 34:20.320]  There's no doubt about it.
[34:21.260 --> 34:25.760]  And Willie boy said, he popped him three, four times in the chest.
[34:25.760 --> 34:26.740]  That's exactly what...
[34:26.740 --> 34:28.440]  This murder didn't hit the newspaper.
[34:29.440 --> 34:29.920]  So it's exactly...
[34:30.280 --> 34:31.580]  We knew we had the homicide.
[34:35.430 --> 34:39.590]  Jay Sarno, by the way, was no mob guy.
[34:40.070 --> 34:42.110]  Let me explain to you how flimsy your...
[34:42.630 --> 34:44.570]  How flimsy reality is.
[34:44.650 --> 34:47.310]  How flimsy your life is in this reality.
[34:48.010 --> 34:54.630]  Jay Sarno was a guy who insulted a woman and didn't know that she was somehow related to a mob guy.
[34:54.630 --> 34:57.850]  So Willie boy killed him like a favor.
[34:59.710 --> 35:01.570]  This is no exaggeration, folks.
[35:01.670 --> 35:02.310]  This is life.
[35:02.950 --> 35:03.730]  He just...
[35:03.730 --> 35:04.470]  He did...
[35:04.470 --> 35:13.350]  He wanted to impress this mob guy, so he and Johnny went out and killed this guy Christmas Eve with his family right in front of the Brown Derby Club in Brooklyn.
[35:14.130 --> 35:14.650]  He was dead.
[35:14.650 --> 35:14.790]  Dead.
[35:15.150 --> 35:15.630]  Murdered.
[35:17.110 --> 35:17.950]  That's important.
[35:18.090 --> 35:19.070]  That this sinks in.
[35:19.150 --> 35:20.210]  That you understand this.
[35:20.470 --> 35:22.070]  What's the value of a human life?
[35:24.570 --> 35:25.270]  That's a...
[35:25.270 --> 35:28.850]  That's a question that I've spent 25 years asking myself.
[35:30.250 --> 35:30.770]  And...
[35:32.750 --> 35:35.150]  Now we think, wow, I feel good.
[35:35.450 --> 35:38.950]  I was already not feeling too good about enforcing drug laws, but I still...
[35:38.950 --> 35:41.090]  I felt real good about getting killers.
[35:41.830 --> 35:43.790]  Now my heart was in this case.
[35:44.330 --> 35:45.050]  Really in it.
[35:47.030 --> 35:50.170]  Next thing we hear is that John Gotti himself...
[35:50.170 --> 35:55.350]  John Gotti himself has authorized that we go forward in this deal.
[35:55.470 --> 35:56.350]  So this is the plan.
[35:56.790 --> 35:57.390]  Now again, this...
[35:57.390 --> 35:58.490]  I'm used to telling cops this.
[35:58.590 --> 35:59.570]  I want you to follow this.
[35:59.570 --> 36:09.650]  The plan is that I am going to sell Johnny Boy Johnson a kilo of heroin for $100,000.
[36:10.610 --> 36:14.290]  And I agree to take $50,000 out front and get the rest.
[36:14.570 --> 36:16.590]  Now we're not going to give him real heroin.
[36:17.190 --> 36:21.490]  What we're going to give him is what's called sham heroin.
[36:21.710 --> 36:22.470]  Fake heroin.
[36:22.670 --> 36:26.290]  Heroin that if you're in the business of buying heroin, you're buying dope.
[36:26.290 --> 36:28.850]  Most of these guys do not take the dope.
[36:29.010 --> 36:30.150]  They're professionals.
[36:30.570 --> 36:33.250]  So what they do is they test it chemically.
[36:33.590 --> 36:35.390]  They test it with a heat thermometer.
[36:35.450 --> 36:37.010]  They test it in every way possible.
[36:37.670 --> 36:42.710]  And sham heroin chemically will react like heroin in every way, except it won't get you high.
[36:43.990 --> 36:55.230]  So our plan was to sell them a kilo of sham heroin and follow the bag right into...
[36:55.230 --> 37:00.450]  We thought it was going to go right into the Bergen Hunt Club, where John Getty's headquarters, and then hit.
[37:00.670 --> 37:01.370]  Take them all down.
[37:02.470 --> 37:04.310]  That would... what a case.
[37:06.530 --> 37:13.590]  Again, being professionals, there's a certain routine you follow to protect your ass from getting shot.
[37:15.370 --> 37:18.050]  And that routine is called pre-surveillance.
[37:18.390 --> 37:20.950]  So that video that you saw...
[37:20.950 --> 37:22.110]  We don't have time.
[37:22.250 --> 37:24.550]  I have the whole video, which runs a half an hour.
[37:25.150 --> 37:26.310]  But you take my word for it.
[37:26.410 --> 37:30.730]  My men went out to the hotel right next to JFK Airport.
[37:30.770 --> 37:32.890]  It was the Sheraton.
[37:33.450 --> 37:35.230]  And that's the parking lot of the Sheraton.
[37:36.430 --> 37:40.450]  And they were out there an hour before I was supposed to meet them.
[37:40.450 --> 37:46.270]  And they've videoed... they arrived at a good hour before I did, which is not like a mob guy.
[37:46.510 --> 37:46.730]  Why?
[37:46.870 --> 37:48.490]  Because they were setting up a trap to kill me.
[37:50.950 --> 37:52.450]  Now I'm going to ask a question after this.
[37:52.470 --> 37:54.110]  I want to see if you guys can figure this out.
[37:56.010 --> 37:57.150]  They were going to kill me.
[37:57.610 --> 37:58.770]  Now think about this.
[37:59.010 --> 38:04.830]  My informer in jail, who I'd never met face to face, knew they were going to kill me.
[38:06.290 --> 38:07.070]  Do you understand?
[38:07.110 --> 38:09.790]  He knew they were setting me up to kill me.
[38:11.590 --> 38:15.070]  The question is going to be, why would he not tell me?
[38:15.490 --> 38:16.410]  What would he gain?
[38:16.730 --> 38:18.230]  But let's go back to what happened.
[38:19.250 --> 38:21.090]  Let's see if you guys know how to think like cops.
[38:21.530 --> 38:25.570]  Let's see if you guys know how to think unlike FBI and CIA.
[38:29.910 --> 38:34.050]  Now, I go out, and what you saw...
[38:34.050 --> 38:35.410]  If you see the whole video, you'll see me.
[38:35.410 --> 38:37.490]  My men picked up this trap.
[38:37.830 --> 38:41.110]  You know, Johnny Boy setting his guys a car, separate car.
[38:41.350 --> 38:42.370]  Two men with guns.
[38:43.990 --> 38:47.750]  And DEA used this tape, by the way, for many years to train undercovers.
[38:47.910 --> 38:50.070]  It's called One Way In and No Way Out.
[38:50.170 --> 38:52.930]  Because that parking lot had one way in and no way out.
[38:54.730 --> 38:58.870]  Now what they had set up, and you could see it on the video, was a perfect trap.
[38:58.870 --> 39:00.050]  I was going to go in.
[39:00.130 --> 39:02.890]  They were going to make sure I had the drugs somewhere near me.
[39:04.650 --> 39:06.770]  And give me the money, whatever they had to do.
[39:06.910 --> 39:08.510]  And then kill me, take it all back.
[39:10.150 --> 39:11.890]  Of course, I was Omar.
[39:12.230 --> 39:16.050]  To these guys, and we got this on audio tapes.
[39:16.370 --> 39:17.790]  To these guys, I was a raghead.
[39:19.310 --> 39:20.910]  What difference does it make?
[39:21.330 --> 39:21.990]  You understand?
[39:21.990 --> 39:24.890]  I was some raghead who they were going to do.
[39:26.270 --> 39:30.290]  And that's the value of human life in this world that we're now living in.
[39:30.770 --> 39:34.630]  Now, as I'm driving out, my men are telling me.
[39:34.990 --> 39:36.650]  Across the parking lot, there's men.
[39:36.770 --> 39:38.790]  We already videotaped through the thing.
[39:38.890 --> 39:39.990]  We can see they have guns.
[39:40.490 --> 39:41.990]  It looks like you're set up.
[39:42.670 --> 39:44.010]  Now I changed the plan.
[39:44.210 --> 39:46.450]  I said, I want to get more conversation on the murder.
[39:46.950 --> 39:48.730]  So this is what I want you guys to do.
[39:49.510 --> 39:51.610]  I said, the minute they move, you move.
[39:51.610 --> 39:54.230]  I don't want it to be a race for my life.
[39:55.670 --> 39:58.390]  And give me a chance to get this guy talking about the murder.
[39:58.710 --> 40:00.310]  I want to make sure he goes away for it.
[40:00.690 --> 40:02.890]  And what you saw, I don't know if they showed it.
[40:04.890 --> 40:09.230]  If you saw the whole video, which we don't have time, you'll see me talking to him with one leg out.
[40:09.330 --> 40:17.210]  I'm wearing bell-bottom pants, way out of style, because I carried a 9mm automatic on my ankle, and bell-bottom pants, concealed it well.
[40:17.830 --> 40:26.290]  And I'm trying to watch these guys across the parking lot, and I'm talking, and it looks like I have a beer can in a glass, but what I'm doing is I'm getting him to talk.
[40:27.250 --> 40:30.030]  And he's nervous, and I'm waiting for that trap to close.
[40:30.350 --> 40:36.390]  And when the trap does start to close, my men move in, and stop it just in time, and the case is over.
[40:36.390 --> 40:37.480]  And we were able...
[40:38.470 --> 40:48.690]  One of the things I learned, by the way, that might interest you guys, is as an undercover agent, I found it interesting, was that when you're scared shitless, you can't fake a Pakistani accent.
[40:53.520 --> 40:54.280]  It's impossible.
[40:54.300 --> 40:56.360]  You come out like a berserk Jamaican.
[40:56.720 --> 40:58.140]  You know, oh man...
[40:59.740 --> 41:01.060]  Because I have the tape, you know.
[41:04.120 --> 41:06.600]  But none of it would matter, as it would turn out.
[41:09.680 --> 41:12.660]  So we bust them, we take the guns off them, we get the plan.
[41:13.060 --> 41:15.320]  We have enough to charge them with murder.
[41:16.020 --> 41:23.180]  We have enough to charge them with attempted homicide of a federal agent, conspiracy to traffic in drugs.
[41:23.880 --> 41:27.120]  We have enough to charge Willie Boy, Johnny Boy, everybody.
[41:27.880 --> 41:29.220]  All charges were dropped.
[41:31.280 --> 41:32.600]  All charges were dropped.
[41:34.560 --> 41:35.820]  You're wondering why, huh?
[41:35.940 --> 41:40.440]  Well, first question is, why would the guy, he knows I'm going to be killed, why would he not say anything?
[41:40.540 --> 41:41.460]  Anybody figure that out?
[41:45.430 --> 41:46.170]  That's a...
[41:47.170 --> 41:49.770]  I don't think so, as a favor to the mob.
[41:49.970 --> 41:51.250]  Because that wouldn't get him out of jail.
[41:57.320 --> 41:58.160]  Alright, what...
[41:58.160 --> 41:59.180]  Who said what...
[41:59.180 --> 41:59.380]  Yeah?
[41:59.520 --> 42:01.140]  You mentioned the FBI also.
[42:02.180 --> 42:03.660]  FBI's involved in this, by the way.
[42:03.820 --> 42:04.800]  They are involved in this.
[42:04.900 --> 42:05.980]  In this whole incident.
[42:07.800 --> 42:10.440]  No, it's not like he was going to kill them for the FBI.
[42:10.600 --> 42:18.980]  He had a reason that informers have for wanting to see an agent killed while they're involved in it.
[42:20.220 --> 42:20.620]  Pardon?
[42:22.000 --> 42:23.240]  No, no revenge at all.
[42:23.240 --> 42:29.080]  You know, when I made the buy from Rafiq, we gave his wife $17,000.
[42:31.320 --> 42:32.220]  You got it.
[42:32.400 --> 42:33.880]  He can deal his way...
[42:33.880 --> 42:34.940]  He's the witness.
[42:35.140 --> 42:36.660]  He's the guy that puts this whole thing together.
[42:36.700 --> 42:37.540]  I'm dead.
[42:37.960 --> 42:39.560]  They're going to cut a deal with him.
[42:40.260 --> 42:41.460]  Sammy the Bull Gravano.
[42:41.640 --> 42:42.820]  He can kill 21 people.
[42:42.920 --> 42:43.380]  He's out.
[42:44.260 --> 42:46.940]  The FBI come in because it's the murder of a federal agent.
[42:47.100 --> 42:48.040]  They'll cut any deal.
[42:48.500 --> 42:50.360]  Because I'm headlines now.
[42:51.200 --> 42:52.120]  You understand?
[42:52.340 --> 42:53.780]  I'm an FBI file story.
[42:54.700 --> 42:57.240]  The informer was smart enough to know that.
[42:58.020 --> 43:00.920]  That if I die, they need him.
[43:01.160 --> 43:03.240]  He can cut any deal he wants.
[43:06.790 --> 43:09.330]  Now, why did they drop the whole case?
[43:09.550 --> 43:14.730]  Again, I'm telling you that Jay Sarno's murder was never prosecuted.
[43:14.730 --> 43:17.390]  I'm telling you that this whole case was never prosecuted.
[43:17.570 --> 43:17.710]  Why?
[43:17.990 --> 43:26.950]  Because what I didn't know, what nobody knew, was that Willie Boy Johnson, the guy in the cell, next to my informer, was an FBI informer.
[43:33.140 --> 43:40.180]  So the deal was, you can't burn Willie Boy because he's going to testify for the FBI against John Gotti.
[43:42.580 --> 43:45.360]  And they used that wedge, my case.
[43:46.160 --> 43:48.460]  Bottom line is, John Gotti killed Willie Boy.
[43:50.440 --> 43:51.820]  And that's real justice.
[43:51.980 --> 44:05.360]  I mean, this is this world that I want to educate you guys as much as possible to understand the games, the deals, what the inability to handle informers will lead to.
[44:06.040 --> 44:07.780]  Especially under these patriot laws.
[44:07.940 --> 44:08.680]  And you'll see it.
[44:08.800 --> 44:11.420]  Now, just go on to the next one.
[44:11.420 --> 44:14.360]  I've got to move quickly now because I've been blabbing too long.
[44:15.120 --> 44:16.160]  Can you run the next one?
[44:16.860 --> 44:18.120]  They have the key.
[44:18.540 --> 44:21.840]  So, it's a quid pro quo arrangement.
[44:22.180 --> 44:23.600]  You save our agency.
[44:23.600 --> 44:27.740]  You help us convince the American people that this drug war really works.
[44:27.740 --> 44:30.720]  And we'll get you off whatever charges we can.
[44:32.360 --> 44:33.000]  Almost...
[44:33.000 --> 44:34.180]  Enormous amount.
[44:34.640 --> 44:37.420]  Interestingly enough, invariably paid in cash.
[44:37.640 --> 44:46.000]  I would say that the career path for an informer, a criminal informer, is a lot more lucrative for that of an agent.
[44:46.820 --> 44:47.760]  Where are you seeing now?
[44:49.500 --> 44:50.700]  Did you guys hear that?
[44:51.040 --> 44:53.080]  The career path for a criminal informer?
[44:53.220 --> 44:55.760]  Any cooperation from the Mexican authorities on drug cases?
[44:55.760 --> 44:57.200]  Not in drug cases, no.
[44:57.700 --> 44:59.440]  Zero, flat out, no cooperation?
[44:59.760 --> 45:00.060]  No.
[45:00.260 --> 45:05.880]  It's very frustrating when you know where the landing strips are just south of the border, just a few miles.
[45:06.200 --> 45:18.540]  When you can track the planes all the way from Colombia, see them land at ranches just on the other side of the border, see the dope being loaded under trucks and so forth, and not be able to do anything about it.
[45:18.760 --> 45:26.640]  We've been told that not only do the Mexican authorities look the other way in drug cases, but they actually escort dope smugglers into the United States.
[45:26.880 --> 45:27.840]  Is that true?
[45:28.140 --> 45:29.100]  That has happened, yes.
[45:29.420 --> 45:31.360]  The reason, of course, is money.
[45:31.700 --> 45:36.540]  Mexican police and soldiers are paid very little in salary and are easy targets for bribes.
[45:36.840 --> 45:40.840]  That is exactly what this man did, former DEA agent Mike Levine.
[45:41.020 --> 45:46.400]  He bribed the grandson of a former president of Mexico in an elaborate sting operation.
[45:46.400 --> 45:53.240]  Levine promised the man, a Mexican colonel, a million dollars if he would allow a plane full of cocaine to land in Mexico.
[45:53.640 --> 45:58.780]  The sting was videotaped by the DEA and chronicled in Levine's book, Deep Cover.
[45:59.100 --> 46:10.880]  He came up to the States in his Mexican colonel uniform to show me that I was dealing with the bona fide Mexican government, that I could count on Mexican military protection for my drug plane.
[46:18.900 --> 46:24.440]  The military was going to come in and close off this whole road, cut down trees so that our plane can land...
[46:24.440 --> 46:25.160]  Okay, you can cut it there.
[46:25.320 --> 46:26.440]  ...and we've got our drug plane.
[46:28.060 --> 46:37.980]  All right, quick, those of you who haven't read the book Deep Cover, what happened was, and what they wouldn't say on the air, was Edwin Meese, the Attorney General of the United States, blew the cover of that case.
[46:39.780 --> 46:42.360]  Now, this book was a New York Times bestseller.
[46:43.640 --> 46:48.720]  I said in the book, the Attorney General of the United States blew the cover of a case.
[46:49.880 --> 46:50.400]  Why?
[46:50.480 --> 46:51.880]  There were all kinds of reasons.
[46:52.080 --> 46:55.220]  Central Intelligence, again, was behind every goddamn door.
[46:55.740 --> 47:05.340]  The life of undercover agents meant nothing to these other interests, which permeate everything around 9-1-1.
[47:06.180 --> 47:09.140]  These other interests were more important.
[47:09.520 --> 47:21.200]  And very stupidly, again, the Central Intelligence, as inept as they are, were backing informers who were using the CIA-like condoms to do it to America.
[47:24.280 --> 47:27.180]  The Condom Intelligence Agency is what they are.
[47:31.860 --> 47:34.580]  Guys, you know, I'm a professional, and they're not.
[47:34.720 --> 47:35.480]  And that's the difference.
[47:35.660 --> 47:36.280]  They're just not.
[47:36.380 --> 47:39.000]  And that's what's frightening now about what's about to happen to us.
[47:39.120 --> 47:40.300]  But here's a case again.
[47:41.440 --> 47:43.660]  Human Intelligence, Covert Ops.
[47:43.980 --> 47:46.100]  Human Intelligence, how did this case begin?
[47:46.200 --> 47:48.160]  It began with a jailhouse informer.
[47:49.180 --> 47:52.160]  A guy who wanted to cut a deal, and he did.
[47:52.720 --> 47:59.900]  And this informer brought an undercover team right to the top of the drug world in the Bolivian jungles.
[48:00.080 --> 48:08.960]  Brought us into Panama, where we met the people running both the Medellin Cartel and the Bolivian Cartel's money laundering.
[48:08.960 --> 48:13.380]  Only they were then working for our friend then, Manuel Noriega.
[48:14.320 --> 48:15.580]  Brought us right to the top.
[48:15.720 --> 48:19.440]  That Mexican colonel was the grandson of the President of Mexico.
[48:20.660 --> 48:25.580]  Also at that table was the bodyguard for the President of Mexico.
[48:25.880 --> 48:27.940]  We were at the top of that government.
[48:29.120 --> 48:30.940]  That whole case was killed.
[48:32.160 --> 48:37.860]  Because in every place we went, these people were central intelligence assets.
[48:39.440 --> 48:42.660]  How much more damage can they do to this country?
[48:43.340 --> 48:46.660]  Again, why am I frightened about what's about to happen now?
[48:46.940 --> 48:50.440]  That they've been rewarded with more power, more money than they ever had.
[48:51.020 --> 48:52.220]  I'll leave that to you.
[48:53.460 --> 48:55.240]  Let's move on to the next one.
[48:55.240 --> 48:56.240]  Just to...
[48:57.860 --> 48:59.640]  The Mexican official dumb.
[49:00.280 --> 49:01.300]  Nothing is.
[49:01.600 --> 49:09.780]  As a result of Levine's case, the Mexican colonel was convicted of conspiracy to distribute narcotics and is now serving 24 years in an American prison.
[49:10.460 --> 49:20.340]  Carlos Salinas, the current Mexican President, hotly denies there is official corruption in his country and points to recent drug seizures as proof of Mexico's own war on drugs.
[49:20.340 --> 49:26.120]  But many believe that this is simply a smokescreen, a few seizures for public relations effect.
[49:26.380 --> 49:31.540]  And there is no doubt that Mexico is very sensitive to bad PR on its handling of drugs.
[49:31.940 --> 49:44.660]  When NBC ran a TV movie about Kiki Camarena, the American DEA agent who was murdered by Mexican police, the Salinas government actually accused Camarena of being a drug smuggler himself.
[49:44.660 --> 49:51.700]  How did you feel when you read the Mexican government accused Kiki Camarena of selling drugs?
[49:52.180 --> 49:53.500]  I don't know who I hated worse.
[49:53.840 --> 49:57.540]  The Mexican government are the American apologists for Mexico.
[49:57.860 --> 50:03.880]  The Americans who, no matter what they do, stand up and say, oh yes, they're improving this year.
[50:04.180 --> 50:08.920]  The government of Mexico would not provide a spokesman to talk about drugs with Inside Edition.
[50:08.920 --> 50:14.940]  Likewise, Attorney General Richard Thornburg and Secretary of State James Baker would not answer any questions.
[50:15.220 --> 50:16.640]  So the question remains.
[50:16.940 --> 50:21.800]  Why doesn't the United States come down harder on Mexico in the war on drugs?
[50:22.060 --> 50:24.640]  The answer, according to highly placed U.S.
[50:24.760 --> 50:26.360]  government officials, is twofold.
[50:26.580 --> 50:27.800]  First, the U.S.
[50:27.880 --> 50:34.100]  is afraid Mexico will stop paying its huge debts to American banks if drug pressure is increased.
[50:34.100 --> 50:41.520]  And secondly, the State Department fears Mexico will no longer cooperate in the struggle against communism in Latin America.
[50:41.840 --> 50:42.360]  That's right.
[50:42.700 --> 50:43.080]  CIA.
[50:43.500 --> 50:53.920]  The United States would be much more worried about Mexico's economy collapsing or its failure to pay its debts than they are about drugs coming across the border.
[50:53.920 --> 51:01.400]  William Von Robb should know, under President Reagan, he was in charge of stopping drugs from coming into the United States.
[51:01.800 --> 51:05.180]  There was more disturbing news in the fall of 1993...
[51:05.180 --> 51:05.180]  Hold it one second.
[51:05.300 --> 51:06.860]  Just a couple... a postscript.
[51:07.560 --> 51:08.720]  That was the truth.
[51:09.500 --> 51:13.020]  How many guys... how many of you remember seeing this anywhere in the media?
[51:13.020 --> 51:27.620]  Again, the control of media is fantastic, and that's why anything can be done, and will be done, and you'll see when I finish this off, and you can count on media not telling you.
[51:27.900 --> 51:35.780]  You can count on them not telling you, and I'll show you a specific example, a terrible example, that's going to affect everything that we're about to live through.
[51:39.000 --> 51:39.920]  The... what's his name?
[51:40.020 --> 51:44.520]  Inside Edition, Bill, whatever his name, he challenged, at the end of the show, he said, we're not letting this go.
[51:44.860 --> 51:45.880]  We're going to get answers.
[51:46.200 --> 51:49.040]  Our government refused to answer, which is what they always do.
[51:49.460 --> 51:59.800]  Instead, they go out and manipulate Geraldo, Larry King Live, everybody, the New York Times, the Washington Post, to tell you, well, Mexico's really cooperating, let's give them more money, let's give them...
[51:59.800 --> 52:25.800]  The fact of the matter is, the truth that we knew in DEA was that the people who slowly tortured Kiki Camarena to death, who drove a screwdriver into his head, who drove hot rods all the way up his rectum, with a doctor keeping him alive, testimony in court in California said that these people believed they were working for Central Intelligence.
[52:26.580 --> 52:28.440]  This is testimony in a U.S.
[52:28.560 --> 52:28.800]  court.
[52:30.480 --> 52:31.280]  And... well, they did.
[52:31.400 --> 52:32.460]  They believed that they were.
[52:35.500 --> 52:39.180]  They had... well, they have recorded... oddly enough, a doctor kept him alive.
[52:39.260 --> 52:39.920]  You know how we know that?
[52:40.360 --> 52:40.940]  Central Intelligence...
[52:42.640 --> 52:44.600]  Nobody ever... we don't know who he is.
[52:46.760 --> 52:47.160]  Allegedly.
[52:47.500 --> 52:49.140]  Now, it's a great question.
[52:49.340 --> 52:50.720]  Doctor, did the doctor go to prison?
[52:50.720 --> 53:01.820]  A week after we found Kiki's body, Central Intelligence, mysteriously, and to this day, I don't know how they did it, came up with tape recordings of his tortured death.
[53:04.940 --> 53:07.540]  You just can't jump to the conclusion and say they did it.
[53:07.640 --> 53:12.360]  Because, basically, what happens is, they have... they're college boys.
[53:12.640 --> 53:16.000]  They're fraternity boys that don't know how to handle informers.
[53:16.000 --> 53:20.740]  And these informers feel like they can do anything once they're working for Central Intelligence.
[53:20.960 --> 53:21.420]  And they do.
[53:21.720 --> 53:22.880]  And they get away with it.
[53:23.260 --> 53:25.480]  And it's about to get much worse.
[53:25.620 --> 53:26.580]  And all I can do is... yes, sir?
[53:31.450 --> 53:32.870]  That's why they gave you faves.
[53:35.610 --> 53:39.350]  Well, again, you're not dealing with the brightest bulb in the universe, these people.
[53:39.350 --> 53:52.750]  And what I found is, that wherever they can get publicity, which gave them tremendous publicity, you know, what happens is, the CIA helped DEA find the truth.
[53:52.750 --> 53:53.490]  What happened?
[53:53.710 --> 54:03.490]  The wonderful CIA, the wonderful Central Intelligence, these mysterious Tom Clancy guys with eyes everywhere, were able to come up...
[54:03.490 --> 54:04.890]  Do you understand how the PR works?
[54:06.250 --> 54:06.390]  And...
[54:06.390 --> 54:12.310]  But they said that the PR, but maybe the CIA actually was giving the hint that they don't want you guys messing into Mexico.
[54:12.490 --> 54:12.830]  Well, they don't.
[54:12.950 --> 54:28.950]  I mean, just the fact that when we hit the top of the drug world in this thing called Operation Trifecta, and in one tape-recorded conversation with one of my bosses, when he told me, the CIA is in this in four countries, I knew we were in trouble.
[54:29.350 --> 54:31.410]  And sure enough, the case was destroyed.
[54:31.890 --> 54:36.610]  And myself, if you guys who read the book, I was in Panama when this happened.
[54:36.770 --> 54:40.450]  And I didn't believe myself and my undercover partner were going to get out of Panama alive.
[54:40.630 --> 54:45.110]  And both of us believed that Central Intelligence wanted us dead.
[54:45.750 --> 54:53.430]  I never thought... You know, part of what I try to do with the show is get frontline people to come on and give you evidence that I know would stand up in court.
[54:54.290 --> 54:59.830]  That's why I urge you to go on the website, and you'll see a paper I did called, I volunteer to kidnap Ollie North.
[55:01.350 --> 55:06.910]  And what you'll see in that paper is evidence that was shown to Congress.
[55:07.410 --> 55:09.290]  You know, Ollie sues every damn body.
[55:10.350 --> 55:15.590]  Now, I'm telling you, as a court-qualified expert witness, I value what I say.
[55:15.750 --> 55:17.250]  I have to... because I make a living.
[55:17.370 --> 55:18.630]  I don't make a living doing this.
[55:18.630 --> 55:24.410]  I make a living going into court and testifying as an expert against some of these cases.
[55:25.350 --> 55:31.150]  So, I cannot risk telling you bullshit because I'm going to tell you something.
[55:31.490 --> 55:36.870]  Everything I do comes back to me when I'm on the witness stand in court trying to qualify as an expert.
[55:36.990 --> 55:38.470]  Not a media-anointed expert.
[55:38.610 --> 55:42.290]  An expert that has to face defense attorneys who want to just tear my guts out.
[55:44.750 --> 55:53.350]  So, everything I say, everything I put on the show, everything I put on the website, it comes from front-line people who are first-hand witnesses.
[55:54.130 --> 55:55.610]  So, I can't conjecture.
[55:56.090 --> 55:57.550]  I can tell you what happened.
[55:57.770 --> 55:58.690]  What I know happened.
[55:59.970 --> 56:05.370]  And what happened was, Edwin Meese, the Attorney General of the United States, blew this case.
[56:05.530 --> 56:06.110]  Blew the cover.
[56:06.650 --> 56:07.990]  How much more do you need?
[56:09.290 --> 56:13.450]  You have a federal agent who the DEA, they called me one of their best in the New York Times.
[56:14.010 --> 56:15.310]  You can't take that back.
[56:17.650 --> 56:21.050]  And I'm saying, Edwin Meese betrayed all of us.
[56:21.590 --> 56:22.930]  But that's just the beginning.
[56:23.150 --> 56:28.130]  And the only thing this serves as right now is to show you the mindset that you don't know about.
[56:28.970 --> 56:31.670]  A mindset that is prevalent now.
[56:32.130 --> 56:32.790]  A reward.
[56:33.010 --> 56:37.130]  The reward is given for those who keep their fucking mouths shut and live up.
[56:37.210 --> 56:43.030]  When you raise your hand, when you go to work as a federal agent, a covert agent, a CIA agent, you take two oaths.
[56:43.230 --> 56:46.610]  One oath is to defend the Constitution and you guys.
[56:47.050 --> 56:51.610]  The other oath is to defend the secrecy of this bureaucracy.
[56:51.610 --> 56:57.070]  And the first lesson you learn when you get out is one directly contradicts the other.
[56:57.310 --> 57:00.850]  Because the first thing you're sent out to do is to violate that Constitution.
[57:01.830 --> 57:12.650]  The second lesson you learn is that those few of us who come forward and say, this is wrong, we pay.
[57:13.010 --> 57:14.510]  We pay big time.
[57:14.510 --> 57:14.630]  We pay big time.
[57:15.430 --> 57:27.770]  When you had Colleen Rowley, one FBI agent out of 25,000, come out and say that the joke in the FBI was that FBI headquarters were moles for Bin Laden.
[57:29.450 --> 57:31.230]  The joke is on us.
[57:33.790 --> 57:50.170]  Because what happens, how this manifests itself now, is they have to cover that up by proving to you with bullshit cases like Jose the terrorist, which, by the way, was rubber stamped by the New York Times as a terrorist plot thwarted.
[57:50.350 --> 57:56.310]  The only place you heard people from the FBI come on and say it's a lie, it's a publicity, was on my show.
[57:56.830 --> 58:03.670]  Last week, if you heard, I had Hugo Rodriguez, 25-year FBI agent and defense attorney, come on and say it's an absolute lie.
[58:06.470 --> 58:10.470]  But the New York Times told you it's a victory for the FBI.
[58:10.470 --> 58:13.550]  Well, we should have had the Patriot Laws 20 years ago.
[58:15.170 --> 58:17.470]  Do you understand the struggle that's going on?
[58:17.630 --> 58:20.310]  I'm trying so hard to just make you guys see this.
[58:22.930 --> 58:23.990]  Yeah, go ahead, buddy.
[58:31.970 --> 58:33.550]  I'll have all the chance in the world.
[58:33.810 --> 58:35.070]  Joe Friendly, my man.
[58:40.850 --> 58:42.890]  My experience goes right here.
[58:45.730 --> 58:48.510]  Government had protected some drug dealers.
[58:48.510 --> 58:55.650]  As officers in the narcotic war, we saw the political choice made up close and personal.
[58:56.390 --> 59:02.610]  One example, Levine said, was during the Nixon administration when he was about to bust a major source of heroin.
[59:03.170 --> 59:08.210]  And I was stopped, stopped cold, because that source were our allies in the Vietnam War.
[59:08.690 --> 59:15.070]  Levine said this was not an isolated incident, that it had happened many times in his 25-year career.
[59:15.070 --> 59:29.470]  If it was a question of supporting people who supported our economic and political philosophies in other parts of the world, and they happened to be drug dealers, as most of them are, we supported them and we protected them.
[59:29.770 --> 59:32.490]  And we protected them by looking the other way.
[59:32.790 --> 59:36.470]  And the drug dealers had another ally in the war, money.
[59:36.470 --> 59:43.950]  That it has a corrupting effect, whose tentacles extend virtually everywhere.
[59:44.130 --> 59:45.150]  All about the Moussaoui case.
[59:51.520 --> 59:54.720]  We should go forward to the piece, the whole piece.
[59:54.860 --> 59:56.060]  This whole piece on informants.
[59:56.260 --> 59:57.640]  Just stop it for a second, Joe.
[59:57.940 --> 01:00:01.700]  And then I'm going to run the whole piece on informants, because it's important that you see this whole thing.
[01:00:04.400 --> 01:00:06.480]  That case that you saw, Bangkok, Thailand.
[01:00:06.920 --> 01:00:09.920]  We go to 1971, during the Vietnam War.
[01:00:10.400 --> 01:00:14.120]  I'm sent undercover again, using an informant who is in jail.
[01:00:15.720 --> 01:00:20.340]  I was able to get an entree into a heroin dealing in Bangkok, Thailand.
[01:00:20.760 --> 01:00:22.780]  These are the people, I know you've heard of the case.
[01:00:22.900 --> 01:00:27.180]  You're looking at one of the few human beings who actually worked this case.
[01:00:27.180 --> 01:00:30.260]  Is heroin smuggling into dead bodies of RGIs.
[01:00:31.820 --> 01:00:32.800]  This was the case.
[01:00:33.560 --> 01:00:38.460]  What happened in this case, what they would not say on the air, but it was in the book, Undercover.
[01:00:39.240 --> 01:00:43.660]  What happened in this case was, CIA came in and said, you're going no further to me.
[01:00:43.740 --> 01:00:44.280]  There's no time.
[01:00:44.920 --> 01:00:46.460]  These were CIA assets.
[01:00:46.580 --> 01:00:50.940]  They happened to be smuggling heroin into the United States, using the dead bodies of RGIs.
[01:00:51.120 --> 01:00:55.980]  But the case was protected, because they were working for us in the Vietnam War.
[01:00:55.980 --> 01:01:02.740]  Now, probably the most important thing that I can leave you with, because this is your future, you're about to see, is this piece on informants.
[01:01:02.880 --> 01:01:07.700]  If you can't hear it, it's really important you guys just come forward and listen to this, because...
[01:01:07.700 --> 01:01:09.460]  Go ahead, run this thing, Joe.
[01:01:10.380 --> 01:01:11.000]  I'm sorry.
[01:01:12.260 --> 01:01:13.940]  This is the whole piece on informants.
[01:01:30.570 --> 01:01:32.190]  Billy isn't very right.
[01:01:32.570 --> 01:01:33.650]  What is our responsibility?
[01:01:39.120 --> 01:01:44.600]  Hardly a week goes by that some television outfit isn't invited to come along on a drug bust.
[01:01:44.860 --> 01:01:48.560]  The drug bust in this house is one they just as soon forget.
[01:01:49.520 --> 01:02:01.300]  This retired farmer and his wife are just two of nobody knows how many Americans the government has to apologize to every year for treating them as criminals they aren't and never were.
[01:02:01.300 --> 01:02:04.200]  Imagine, eight masked men, guns.
[01:02:04.660 --> 01:02:05.680]  Storming through the house.
[01:02:07.300 --> 01:02:10.320]  And I kept asking, what have we done wrong?
[01:02:10.420 --> 01:02:11.840]  I said, we don't hurt anybody.
[01:02:18.690 --> 01:02:22.270]  Willie Sutton said he robbed banks because that's where the money was.
[01:02:22.510 --> 01:02:28.270]  If Willie was alive, he'd probably be working for the government, because that's where the money really is.
[01:02:28.270 --> 01:02:34.970]  Last year, various government agencies paid crooks somewhere between $40 million and infinity.
[01:02:34.970 --> 01:02:37.710]  We don't know how much, no one will say.
[01:02:37.970 --> 01:02:42.630]  It was paid to so-called criminal informants for information on drug dealers.
[01:02:42.810 --> 01:02:49.150]  The information has led to enormous busts and to horrifying mistakes in which innocents paid dearly.
[01:02:49.150 --> 01:02:54.830]  We can't give you numbers because, again, the government does not keep track of its disasters.
[01:02:55.310 --> 01:02:58.230]  The biggest disaster may be the war on drugs itself.
[01:02:58.510 --> 01:03:04.830]  Over a decade, $100 billion has been spent and more Americans are addicted than ever before.
[01:03:05.030 --> 01:03:07.870]  But you wouldn't believe it from watching television.
[01:03:14.130 --> 01:03:17.290]  Drug busts are television's meat and potatoes.
[01:03:17.970 --> 01:03:19.210]  Action guarantees.
[01:03:20.070 --> 01:03:28.750]  And law enforcement, from county cops to the feds, bring us along to show one and all the taxpayers' money doing dangerous work.
[01:03:29.390 --> 01:03:32.890]  And most of all, they invite us in to record the results.
[01:03:34.150 --> 01:03:36.790]  The biggest danger of cats I've seen in 20 years.
[01:03:36.790 --> 01:03:40.850]  Barely a week goes by without the record drug bust of the day.
[01:03:41.450 --> 01:03:43.650]  Week or century.
[01:03:44.110 --> 01:03:45.590]  They need the numbers.
[01:03:45.730 --> 01:03:46.630]  They need the statistics.
[01:03:46.830 --> 01:03:47.330]  It's a business.
[01:03:47.670 --> 01:03:49.670]  In our country, it's a business now.
[01:03:49.850 --> 01:03:55.730]  The agents are under pressure, career path pressure, to come up with bigger, more newsworthy cases.
[01:03:55.910 --> 01:03:57.710]  And if they don't, somebody's in trouble.
[01:03:58.170 --> 01:03:59.150]  Strange bedfellers.
[01:03:59.530 --> 01:04:03.750]  Eugene Iredale, a San Diego defense attorney, and Michael Levine.
[01:04:03.750 --> 01:04:09.370]  For 25 years, for four different agencies, America's top undercover cop.
[01:04:09.730 --> 01:04:14.570]  Both say the net result of the war on drugs is a bloated, corrupt bureaucracy.
[01:04:14.790 --> 01:04:18.090]  Whose only measure of success is the big bust.
[01:04:18.450 --> 01:04:19.090]  The show.
[01:04:19.310 --> 01:04:22.510]  The key to that show are criminal informants.
[01:04:22.790 --> 01:04:23.870]  They have the key.
[01:04:23.870 --> 01:04:27.630]  So, it's a quid pro quo arrangement.
[01:04:27.950 --> 01:04:29.330]  You save our agency.
[01:04:29.330 --> 01:04:33.510]  You help us convince the American people that this drug war really works.
[01:04:33.570 --> 01:04:36.430]  And we'll get you off whatever charges we can.
[01:04:36.690 --> 01:04:38.970]  Almost always paid informants.
[01:04:39.570 --> 01:04:41.350]  Paid sometimes enormous amounts.
[01:04:41.810 --> 01:04:44.530]  Interestingly enough, invariably paid in cash.
[01:04:44.530 --> 01:04:53.090]  I would say that the career path for an informer, a criminal informer, is a lot more lucrative for that of an agent.
[01:04:53.910 --> 01:04:55.570]  Crime actually does pay.
[01:04:56.030 --> 01:04:57.570]  Most exciting game in town.
[01:04:58.090 --> 01:04:59.830]  Bill is not his real name.
[01:05:00.070 --> 01:05:03.630]  For eight years, he was one of the government's favorite informants.
[01:05:03.990 --> 01:05:07.630]  Neither he nor his handlers will say how much he was paid.
[01:05:07.630 --> 01:05:09.210]  We do know it was plenty.
[01:05:09.430 --> 01:05:13.610]  For example, a $700,000 airplane like this one.
[01:05:13.790 --> 01:05:15.650]  A gift from the U.S. government.
[01:05:16.290 --> 01:05:23.850]  The Justice Department says during those years, as a pilot, he was also running one of the biggest cocaine rings in South Florida.
[01:05:24.210 --> 01:05:28.550]  He's in jail for that, facing possibly ten life sentences.
[01:05:28.950 --> 01:05:32.750]  Were you running drugs while you were working for the government?
[01:05:33.030 --> 01:05:34.910]  For profit, for yourself?
[01:05:36.850 --> 01:05:48.170]  It's pretty difficult to infiltrate these operations without associating or being involved with drug trafficking or drug traffickers.
[01:05:48.430 --> 01:05:52.370]  Did the government know everything that was going on every step of the way?
[01:05:53.530 --> 01:05:53.970]  No.
[01:05:55.070 --> 01:06:00.570]  Bill says that it's on the record that agents gave him cart launch to do whatever he wanted.
[01:06:00.570 --> 01:06:05.750]  Like many informants, he, rather than agents, often seemed to run cases.
[01:06:06.250 --> 01:06:19.810]  If an informant is slick enough and knows how to play the system enough, he can cleverly manipulate these people around and get them to violate their own rules and regulations.
[01:06:20.170 --> 01:06:24.610]  We just seem to benefit each other, myself and the government agents.
[01:06:24.610 --> 01:06:27.810]  The benefits to the government were busts.
[01:06:28.380 --> 01:06:38.350]  The benefits to Bill, according to the government, were this house and a private airstrip in Florida, at least four airplanes, and a ranch in Montana.
[01:06:38.890 --> 01:06:44.890]  Not every snitch gets to be as rich as Bill, but they all share one common quality.
[01:06:45.010 --> 01:06:47.230]  They are pathological liars.
[01:06:50.130 --> 01:06:51.270]  7 a.m.
[01:06:51.410 --> 01:06:54.170]  Northern California, last Thanksgiving weekend.
[01:06:54.550 --> 01:07:00.410]  The information that we received was that there was a drug lab in the process of cooking narcotics.
[01:07:00.810 --> 01:07:08.440]  An informant had tipped off the Stanislaus County Sheriff's Department about a drug lab operating from this remote farmhouse.
[01:07:08.440 --> 01:07:15.320]  There supposedly was a biker type, described as tiny, six foot five, 280 pounds.
[01:07:15.620 --> 01:07:19.680]  Armed with a search warrant and ready for battle, the SWAT team moved in.
[01:07:20.180 --> 01:07:24.520]  Inside the house, Bill and Marian Hosselman were getting ready for breakfast.
[01:07:24.920 --> 01:07:32.020]  I looked out the bathroom window and I seen these two across the street from our home.
[01:07:54.110 --> 01:07:58.110]  The SWAT team identified itself and demanded he open the door.
[01:07:58.390 --> 01:07:59.990]  I said, I'm not letting you in.
[01:08:00.090 --> 01:08:01.430]  I don't know if you're telling me the truth.
[01:08:01.450 --> 01:08:02.630]  I don't know who you are.
[01:08:02.750 --> 01:08:03.890]  You could be robbing me.
[01:08:03.990 --> 01:08:05.490]  I said, I won't let you in.
[01:08:06.010 --> 01:08:08.470]  So I asked my wife, call 9-11.
[01:08:08.470 --> 01:08:12.870]  Before she could get to the phone, the SWAT team battered down the door.
[01:08:13.250 --> 01:08:13.830]  Can you imagine?
[01:08:14.110 --> 01:08:18.510]  Eight masked men, guns, just getting hold of both of you.
[01:08:18.830 --> 01:08:22.190]  One taking him one direction, one taking me the other direction.
[01:08:22.390 --> 01:08:25.930]  And then one of them put his hand across my face.
[01:08:26.050 --> 01:08:28.070]  The other one knocked my feet off from under me.
[01:08:28.190 --> 01:08:31.790]  And I fell to the floor and they were storming through the house.
[01:08:33.470 --> 01:08:36.410]  And I kept asking, what have we done wrong?
[01:08:36.550 --> 01:08:37.970]  I said, we don't hurt anybody.
[01:08:37.970 --> 01:08:43.830]  For an hour, the Hasselmans were kept on the floor at gunpoint, their hands cuffed behind their backs.
[01:08:44.090 --> 01:08:46.870]  They listened as the SWAT team searched their house.
[01:08:47.170 --> 01:08:54.630]  All I could hear these people say on their little radios that they have attached to them was negative, negative, negative, negative.
[01:08:55.730 --> 01:08:57.510]  One group of guys had you inside.
[01:08:57.810 --> 01:08:59.230]  There's another group came out here.
[01:08:59.410 --> 01:09:02.290]  I thought to myself, oh, they're going to break another door down.
[01:09:02.430 --> 01:09:04.350]  So this is the door that they battered in.
[01:09:04.810 --> 01:09:05.970]  And you can see...
[01:09:05.970 --> 01:09:07.210]  Well, they sure did a job on this one.
[01:09:07.270 --> 01:09:08.810]  They did an excellent job.
[01:09:08.810 --> 01:09:16.190]  An excellent search, maybe, but the SWAT team found no drugs, no drug lab, no six-foot-five biker.
[01:09:16.430 --> 01:09:20.350]  Just a set of toy trains and a terrified retired couple.
[01:09:20.950 --> 01:09:24.850]  Five days later, they were still trying to overcome the trauma.
[01:09:25.230 --> 01:09:29.450]  And five days later, the sheriff's department was still red-faced.
[01:09:29.450 --> 01:09:36.570]  Under-Sheriff Corshaw had the unhappy task of trying to explain why the informant was believed.
[01:09:36.890 --> 01:09:42.170]  Well, specifically what he corroborated was, of course, the description and location of the house.
[01:09:43.630 --> 01:09:48.070]  The fact that there was a motorhome behind the house that couldn't be seen from the road.
[01:09:48.450 --> 01:09:52.130]  He described the dog that was at the house.
[01:09:52.910 --> 01:09:55.450]  This is the vicious killer dog you were supposed to have?
[01:09:55.570 --> 01:09:55.870]  Yes.
[01:09:56.310 --> 01:09:57.970]  This dog and two Rottweilers.
[01:09:57.990 --> 01:09:59.310]  I never heard of a Rottweiler.
[01:09:59.830 --> 01:10:06.730]  The Hosselmans also have no idea who the informant might be, and the sheriff's department will not tell you.
[01:10:07.110 --> 01:10:10.530]  What's your best guess in hindsight that he concocted the hotel?
[01:10:11.350 --> 01:10:11.870]  Yes.
[01:10:12.570 --> 01:10:20.990]  I just hate to think what would have happened if the couple had been more panicked and went and reached for a gun.
[01:10:21.590 --> 01:10:22.630]  I agree with you.
[01:10:22.870 --> 01:10:23.930]  I hate to think of that.
[01:10:26.190 --> 01:10:33.890]  I was treated like a criminal for almost two days after this happened in the emergency room.
[01:10:34.090 --> 01:10:41.450]  I can remember hearing conversation around me, and I remember somebody saying he was involved in a drug bust.
[01:10:41.450 --> 01:10:44.850]  Don Carlson is the ultimate straight arrow.
[01:10:45.190 --> 01:10:50.770]  He almost did not survive his encounter with a federal drug task force last August.
[01:10:50.770 --> 01:11:00.810]  As an executive of Anacomp, a Fortune 500 company, he'd gone from work to dinner, then to his home in Poway in suburban San Diego.
[01:11:01.550 --> 01:11:03.530]  Federal agents watched him arrive.
[01:11:04.030 --> 01:11:11.570]  There on an informant's tip that several hundred kilos of cocaine was stashed in the garage, protected by four armed guards.
[01:11:11.570 --> 01:11:14.430]  Around midnight, Carlson was asleep.
[01:11:14.770 --> 01:11:18.130]  The next thing he heard was his door being battered in.
[01:11:18.310 --> 01:11:24.070]  I stood at the extreme end of that hallway and hollered as loud as I could, who's there?
[01:11:24.550 --> 01:11:25.930]  Who did you think was up there?
[01:11:26.070 --> 01:11:29.010]  I thought they were robbers, burglars.
[01:11:29.970 --> 01:11:32.730]  I thought my life was in danger.
[01:11:33.330 --> 01:11:34.970]  And still no identification?
[01:11:34.970 --> 01:11:39.510]  Nobody ever communicated with me that evening, period.
[01:11:40.310 --> 01:11:47.370]  Carlson panicked, tried dialing 911, then went for his handgun, returned to the hall, and a bomb went off.
[01:11:47.510 --> 01:11:50.270]  Something police call a distraction device.
[01:11:50.550 --> 01:11:52.170]  And I fired twice at the front door.
[01:11:54.270 --> 01:11:58.410]  And then I'm almost immediately, I'm hitting this leg, and I returned...
[01:11:58.410 --> 01:12:01.590]  He staggered back to his bedroom, dropped his gun, and collapsed.
[01:12:01.590 --> 01:12:03.190]  Twice more he was shocked.
[01:12:03.750 --> 01:12:07.630]  As he lay bleeding on the floor, Carlson was handcuffed and shackled.
[01:12:08.190 --> 01:12:13.110]  I thought I was in the middle of the worst nightmare I had ever experienced.
[01:12:15.090 --> 01:12:18.830]  And I do remember wondering what the hell this was.
[01:12:18.990 --> 01:12:19.750]  I did not know.
[01:12:19.950 --> 01:12:21.150]  I mean, I couldn't fathom it.
[01:12:21.410 --> 01:12:23.730]  The feds were having their own nightmare.
[01:12:24.110 --> 01:12:26.990]  The same informant told them of another stash.
[01:12:26.990 --> 01:12:30.890]  So while one group of agents was breaking into Carlson's house...
[01:12:30.890 --> 01:12:34.350]  Another group was breaking into this house a few miles away.
[01:12:34.490 --> 01:12:36.090]  And they too came up empty.
[01:12:36.350 --> 01:12:38.370]  But the results were a lot less tragic.
[01:12:38.630 --> 01:12:39.530]  There was nobody home.
[01:12:39.790 --> 01:12:41.790]  In fact, the house was vacant.
[01:12:42.150 --> 01:12:46.090]  So far that night, the government was vetting 0 for 2.
[01:12:47.550 --> 01:12:51.830]  In some disarray, the agents picked up their informant, Ron Edmund.
[01:12:51.830 --> 01:12:55.470]  He said, somebody just got shot and it was your fault.
[01:12:56.030 --> 01:12:57.330]  I said, what?
[01:12:57.830 --> 01:12:59.530]  Somebody just got shot and it was your fault.
[01:12:59.630 --> 01:13:00.610]  Somebody got to pay for it.
[01:13:01.150 --> 01:13:04.910]  Ron spoke to a San Diego television station shortly after the raid.
[01:13:05.150 --> 01:13:08.910]  At the time, his identity was still protected by the government.
[01:13:09.490 --> 01:13:13.210]  The night of the raids, his government handler was not amused.
[01:13:13.210 --> 01:13:19.130]  They claimed that I said at the office that I just picked their house randomly and told them to go in it.
[01:13:19.350 --> 01:13:20.210]  Oh, no, no, no, no.
[01:13:20.650 --> 01:13:25.430]  There's a lot of things I might have said as scared as I was, but I don't think I necessarily said that like that.
[01:13:25.790 --> 01:13:29.190]  It should have been clear by now that Ron was unreliable.
[01:13:29.470 --> 01:13:33.470]  But the very next day, agents confronted Tony and Michelle Jones.
[01:13:33.910 --> 01:13:37.050]  Ron had accused them of being major smugglers.
[01:13:37.050 --> 01:13:42.190]  And at that point, I was just in what you might consider a complete state of shock.
[01:13:42.550 --> 01:13:48.570]  Especially so because she herself is a deputy marshal whose husband had met Ron at a gym.
[01:13:48.890 --> 01:13:51.610]  The cops searched the house and found nothing.
[01:13:51.910 --> 01:13:54.950]  The third phony accusation in 24 hours.
[01:13:54.950 --> 01:14:02.510]  She says had the SWAT team moved in on her the way they did on Carlson, she would have reacted like the cop she is.
[01:14:02.710 --> 01:14:07.710]  I would have come out shooting because nobody bangs into your house at 12 o'clock at night.
[01:14:08.050 --> 01:14:14.950]  You know, and especially when you're not involved in anything and you have no suspicion that anything's going on.
[01:14:15.190 --> 01:14:18.610]  If your door's being knocked in, you know, you protect yourself.
[01:14:18.850 --> 01:14:20.390]  The Joneses were furious.
[01:14:20.890 --> 01:14:22.690]  Don Carlson was fighting for his life.
[01:14:22.690 --> 01:14:25.430]  The government was investigating itself.
[01:14:25.730 --> 01:14:27.270]  And their man, Ron.
[01:14:27.610 --> 01:14:31.510]  He was a small-time crook with a record a mile long.
[01:14:31.710 --> 01:14:37.370]  And a small-time snitch for the Hillsborough County Sheriff's Department in Tampa, Florida.
[01:14:37.670 --> 01:14:41.890]  When he moved to San Diego, he went big time as a federal informant.
[01:14:42.030 --> 01:14:45.690]  He said he knew all about a major cocaine cartel.
[01:14:45.870 --> 01:14:47.710]  They believed him and paid him.
[01:14:47.950 --> 01:14:51.230]  I don't mean to be cynical, but I have a prediction for you.
[01:14:51.230 --> 01:14:57.290]  What they're going to do is they're going to indict this informant, and they're going to try to lay it all at the door of the informant.
[01:14:57.350 --> 01:14:59.970]  They're going to accuse him of doing everything wrong.
[01:15:00.310 --> 01:15:00.710]  Right.
[01:15:01.190 --> 01:15:03.730]  Two months later, William Branagh, the U.S.
[01:15:03.810 --> 01:15:05.250]  Attorney, made a statement.
[01:15:05.250 --> 01:15:08.830]  Today, a federal grand jury indicted Ronald B.
[01:15:08.990 --> 01:15:15.250]  Edmonds on 25 counts of making false statements in a matter within the jurisdiction of the government.
[01:15:15.430 --> 01:15:24.550]  As is clear from the indictment, it is the position of the government that the entire cocaine conspiracy relayed by the defendant was false.
[01:15:24.550 --> 01:15:30.710]  It's clear from the search warrant and other documents that the government did virtually nothing.
[01:15:31.090 --> 01:15:34.410]  Almost no investigation to corroborate Ron's claims.
[01:15:34.790 --> 01:15:40.110]  They substituted one dubious man's word for old-fashioned police work.
[01:15:41.750 --> 01:15:45.610]  That blunder will scar Don Carlson for the rest of his life.
[01:15:45.610 --> 01:15:49.250]  He will have only limited use of his right arm and leg.
[01:15:49.550 --> 01:15:51.630]  His lungs have not returned to normal.
[01:15:52.010 --> 01:15:54.470]  He is, of course, suing the governor.
[01:15:55.170 --> 01:15:57.390]  You must be a terribly bitter man.
[01:15:57.970 --> 01:15:59.350]  Morely, I am not bitter.
[01:16:00.930 --> 01:16:20.710]  Early on in the hospital, when I was struggling for my life, I told myself that I would not become bitter over this when what I need to do is work towards getting my health back and getting out and getting my life back together.
[01:16:21.650 --> 01:16:23.410]  At the same time...
[01:16:24.110 --> 01:16:25.290]  Can you stand up for a second?
[01:16:25.510 --> 01:16:25.750]  Sure.
[01:16:25.990 --> 01:16:26.190]  Yes.
[01:16:30.180 --> 01:16:37.100]  And Ron Edmonds, the informant, well, he's been on the run since the end of January when the grand jury indicted him.
[01:16:40.510 --> 01:16:43.710]  Now, I helped 60 Minutes produce this.
[01:16:43.710 --> 01:16:55.530]  I was also hired by Mr. Carlson's attorneys to review what the government did and write what they call an expert witness report.
[01:16:56.210 --> 01:16:58.430]  I did this for the Justice Department.
[01:16:58.750 --> 01:17:05.710]  I was trained to do this, to review what police officers and agents, how they handle informants.
[01:17:06.390 --> 01:17:09.690]  And I'm going to tell you what I found that was not put on 60 Minutes.
[01:17:10.590 --> 01:17:15.290]  I found Ron Edmonds told a multi-task force.
[01:17:15.370 --> 01:17:24.150]  When we talk about task force, we're talking about DEA, Customs, the San Diego Police Department, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms, Immigrations.
[01:17:24.470 --> 01:17:28.110]  And they had a brand new SWAT team, by the way, that they had just trained.
[01:17:28.830 --> 01:17:32.510]  And let me tell you, they're training like crazy now for the Patriot Law.
[01:17:32.510 --> 01:17:34.210]  Like, absolutely crazy.
[01:17:34.390 --> 01:17:42.250]  These guys who set up and sell special military equipment to police agencies are doing the biggest business of their life.
[01:17:42.510 --> 01:17:48.190]  The stock market's going down, but the armament of police agencies in this country is going way up.
[01:17:48.190 --> 01:18:04.530]  Now what I found was, and I read their own reports, that Ron Edmonds, who could speak no Spanish at all, no Spanish, convinced these federal agents that he had been accepted by the Medellin Cartel.
[01:18:08.300 --> 01:18:15.340]  And I'm talking about teams of 30, 40 agents, and he then went on the payroll.
[01:18:16.340 --> 01:18:16.980]  Why?
[01:18:17.160 --> 01:18:21.560]  Because he said, I can give you a big case.
[01:18:22.520 --> 01:18:24.960]  A big case means headlines.
[01:18:27.200 --> 01:18:29.600]  Headlines are now more important than ever.
[01:18:29.600 --> 01:18:36.960]  I submit the Jose Padilla case, the Jose the terrorist case, which they're now backing off from.
[01:18:37.420 --> 01:18:41.080]  And now nobody wants to say a thing about it, because it's bullshit.
[01:18:42.600 --> 01:18:52.880]  And the fact of the matter is, the New York Times, Sunday before last, put it out and said, the FBI thwarted a terrorist act.
[01:18:53.340 --> 01:18:55.080]  Now, how does that translate?
[01:18:55.280 --> 01:18:57.700]  More money, your adulation.
[01:18:58.540 --> 01:19:02.920]  And you know, the sad thing about it is, just you guys hear this.
[01:19:03.220 --> 01:19:05.360]  How many people read the New York Times?
[01:19:05.680 --> 01:19:07.180]  This is what you're up against.
[01:19:07.400 --> 01:19:13.740]  The New York Times is pushing f***ing more police powers by putting this bullshoot out.
[01:19:14.400 --> 01:19:22.180]  And I look at this audience, and I promise you, a lot of you guys are facing big problems.
[01:19:23.020 --> 01:19:23.780]  You know why?
[01:19:23.920 --> 01:19:24.940]  Because you look different.
[01:19:31.880 --> 01:19:33.760]  You are no longer the mold.
[01:19:34.420 --> 01:19:37.680]  Do you look like guys who would vote for the Patriot Act?
[01:19:41.990 --> 01:19:43.270]  You guys are in trouble.
[01:19:43.890 --> 01:19:46.470]  So that's why I agreed to come out here and talk to you guys.
[01:19:46.610 --> 01:19:57.870]  Well anyway, the bottom line with Carlson, I know you're just dying to hear what they left out, was I reviewed these reports and found that these guys didn't do a thing to corroborate him.
[01:19:58.110 --> 01:19:59.490]  They kept him on a payroll.
[01:19:59.650 --> 01:20:03.490]  He came in and he made allegations, not against just the people you saw.
[01:20:03.650 --> 01:20:09.230]  He made allegations against 40 or 50 people, all of which were duly put into the computer.
[01:20:09.230 --> 01:20:11.430]  And it's probably still in there.
[01:20:11.850 --> 01:20:13.670]  Do you guys know what the NATO system is?
[01:20:13.830 --> 01:20:14.130]  Any of you?
[01:20:14.910 --> 01:20:29.610]  In the NATO system, which means that probably to this moment when your investigator or your name, if Ron Edmonds made your name up and it's in the computer, you now have a reputation for drug trafficking on the basis of him.
[01:20:29.770 --> 01:20:31.830]  Nobody takes this s*** out of the computers.
[01:20:32.990 --> 01:20:34.990]  This system doesn't work that way.
[01:20:35.290 --> 01:20:36.170]  You're in.
[01:20:37.230 --> 01:20:40.750]  You don't understand the power of what's being done to you, do you?
[01:20:41.430 --> 01:20:48.810]  Well, I read, I hope you do after today, I reviewed 5,000 pages of reports.
[01:20:49.250 --> 01:20:54.710]  What I found was there was no such thing as a United States Constitution to these officers.
[01:20:55.450 --> 01:20:57.290]  There was no such thing.
[01:20:57.510 --> 01:21:04.630]  They took the man's word for it, they went to court, wrote down that he's a previously reliable informant, when in fact he was no such thing.
[01:21:04.630 --> 01:21:20.110]  The agent who was running the whole operation, the DEA agent said, this is bullshit, we don't believe this guy, threw him out of the office, so the informer being smart, knowing the system, knows that there's competition for headlines.
[01:21:20.110 --> 01:21:22.710]  There's more competition now than ever before.
[01:21:23.310 --> 01:21:28.190]  But he knew then, this is just the drug war, this isn't the patriot war, this is the drug war.
[01:21:28.190 --> 01:21:31.690]  He knew that if DEA threw him out, he could go to the FBI.
[01:21:32.410 --> 01:21:35.010]  He knew he could go to customs, he knew he could go anywhere.
[01:21:35.250 --> 01:21:40.030]  And now, here's what happens, where Congress said, CIA and FBI, you've got to get along.
[01:21:40.270 --> 01:21:44.870]  What that set up is, informers, if you don't want to take me FBI, I'll go to CIA.
[01:21:45.410 --> 01:21:47.230]  And one isn't going to insult the other.
[01:21:49.270 --> 01:21:50.610]  And that's what happened here.
[01:21:51.430 --> 01:21:55.150]  Ron Edmonds was thrown out of the DEA office, because they said, you're a liar.
[01:21:57.230 --> 01:22:00.390]  He went over to customs, and the customs guy said, I believe him.
[01:22:00.390 --> 01:22:14.610]  The DEA boss, who wanted to get along with customs, because you can't afford the publicity of the two agencies fighting each other like they do every day, said, you go with customs, let customs run it.
[01:22:15.150 --> 01:22:20.590]  So all of these DEA guys, who know the guy is a liar, went along with it.
[01:22:21.450 --> 01:22:23.010]  Went along with perjury.
[01:22:24.590 --> 01:22:42.750]  The night before they put on that paper, the warrant, that he is a previously reliable informant, the agent running the case, and his wife, who was the chief of the criminal division in San Diego, discussed whether they should polygraph the guy.
[01:22:43.910 --> 01:22:46.510]  And decided, no, do you understand the difference?
[01:22:46.650 --> 01:22:55.710]  If you're thinking in one moment, maybe we should polygraph the guy, and then you decide, no, let's just call them on a court paper that gives you the right to break into a house with machine guns, which is what they did.
[01:22:56.110 --> 01:23:08.830]  And the case that happened was, one of the agents, a DEA agent who had just come back from the jungles of Bolivia, crashed through the door, did a combat roll, and emptied a machine gun, and hit everything in the room but Mr. Carlson.
[01:23:13.970 --> 01:23:15.730]  That's what you call a no-knock warrant.
[01:23:17.610 --> 01:23:20.770]  Bottom line is, my report said that these people should...
[01:23:21.490 --> 01:23:27.170]  Had I been doing this report for the Justice Department, as I did, I'm trained to do this.
[01:23:27.550 --> 01:23:36.730]  Had I been doing this for the Justice Department, as an Inspector of Operations, I would recommend that these people be indicted from the U.S.
[01:23:36.810 --> 01:23:37.590]  Attorney on down.
[01:23:37.710 --> 01:23:38.050]  That U.S.
[01:23:38.350 --> 01:23:39.210]  Attorney is now a judge.
[01:23:41.190 --> 01:23:42.250]  She is now a judge.
[01:23:43.870 --> 01:23:48.070]  The agent was steadily promoted ever since, because I'll tell you what happened.
[01:23:49.310 --> 01:23:49.910]  The U.S.
[01:23:50.270 --> 01:23:53.250]  Attorney, Berenson, his name is, he was a Clinton appointee.
[01:23:54.450 --> 01:23:58.430]  You know, Republicans, whatever you want to call it, there is no difference.
[01:24:00.430 --> 01:24:06.130]  And a Clinton appointee went up in front of the cameras and he said, The agents did their job.
[01:24:06.950 --> 01:24:08.590]  The system failed.
[01:24:08.950 --> 01:24:10.770]  And most of you guys believe that shit.
[01:24:10.910 --> 01:24:11.550]  That's why I'm here.
[01:24:11.770 --> 01:24:13.130]  You believe that, don't you?
[01:24:13.330 --> 01:24:14.350]  The system failed.
[01:24:14.490 --> 01:24:15.310]  What does that mean?
[01:24:15.530 --> 01:24:16.870]  The system failed.
[01:24:18.410 --> 01:24:21.150]  They gave Mr. Carlson 2.7 million.
[01:24:21.830 --> 01:24:23.850]  They classified my reports.
[01:24:25.750 --> 01:24:29.670]  I recommended indictment, perjury, classified my reports.
[01:24:29.950 --> 01:24:33.010]  That's the untold story of what you just saw.
[01:24:34.910 --> 01:24:36.250]  Classified national security?
[01:24:37.130 --> 01:24:37.610]  No.
[01:24:39.010 --> 01:24:41.370]  They don't use national security.
[01:24:42.490 --> 01:24:45.890]  A federal judge, all he has to do is a court-ordered secrecy.
[01:24:46.030 --> 01:24:46.530]  That's it.
[01:24:46.690 --> 01:24:47.190]  It's over.
[01:24:47.430 --> 01:24:48.130]  And when the head of the U.S.
[01:24:48.130 --> 01:24:49.770]  Attorney, they have the power to classify.
[01:24:50.130 --> 01:24:51.850]  You can't classify top secret.
[01:24:52.090 --> 01:24:54.090]  Top secret has to be national security.
[01:24:54.250 --> 01:24:56.090]  But you can't classify up to secret.
[01:24:56.890 --> 01:24:58.650]  Without it being national security.
[01:24:58.850 --> 01:25:01.370]  And who in the press is going to go after this?
[01:25:02.030 --> 01:25:02.510]  Who?
[01:25:03.190 --> 01:25:04.810]  You think the New York Times will?
[01:25:05.630 --> 01:25:07.210]  You think William Sapphire will?
[01:25:07.770 --> 01:25:10.870]  You think Larry King Live or Hidalgo is going to do anything?
[01:25:12.990 --> 01:25:13.470]  WBAI.
[01:25:14.270 --> 01:25:15.050]  That's all.
[01:25:15.350 --> 01:25:16.150]  What can we do?
[01:25:16.410 --> 01:25:16.850]  Okay.
[01:25:17.050 --> 01:25:19.350]  I'll tell you right now what you could do.
[01:25:19.470 --> 01:25:21.870]  I brought with me CDs.
[01:25:22.230 --> 01:25:23.690]  Now, one of them I'm going to tell you about.
[01:25:23.690 --> 01:25:26.790]  Because it's the only place you're ever going to hear this.
[01:25:29.090 --> 01:25:29.730]  1993.
[01:25:31.930 --> 01:25:36.850]  Seven months before the World Trade Center was blown up the first time.
[01:25:37.250 --> 01:25:39.170]  The FBI had an informant.
[01:25:39.870 --> 01:25:41.730]  His name was Ahmad Salim.
[01:25:42.650 --> 01:25:43.990]  He was an Egyptian policeman.
[01:25:44.950 --> 01:25:51.070]  He had infiltrated the group that was planning the bombing seven months later.
[01:25:54.030 --> 01:26:02.850]  Now, for some reason, the FBI boss didn't like the girl female agent who was handling Salim.
[01:26:03.250 --> 01:26:08.430]  So he assigns an FBI agent to basically fire this guy.
[01:26:08.430 --> 01:26:17.690]  But what this guy didn't know, and if you took informant handling human intelligence 101, you would know, is you don't talk on the phone.
[01:26:19.030 --> 01:26:23.750]  So, this informant immediately outsmarts the FBI agent.
[01:26:24.350 --> 01:26:26.610]  And he tape records this phone call.
[01:26:27.750 --> 01:26:36.990]  And on the phone call, you will hear the informant say, we're already planning the bomb.
[01:26:37.850 --> 01:26:39.650]  This is World Trade Center one.
[01:26:40.390 --> 01:26:42.410]  We're already planning the bomb.
[01:26:42.550 --> 01:26:46.430]  You fire me for $500 a week, they're going to blow it up.
[01:26:46.530 --> 01:26:48.850]  And all these people are going to be gone and you won't know where they are.
[01:26:49.830 --> 01:26:50.990]  And that's what happened.
[01:26:51.850 --> 01:26:53.170]  But you don't know that.
[01:26:54.350 --> 01:26:56.190]  The only way you know it is from me.
[01:26:57.570 --> 01:26:59.650]  There's no excuse for you not knowing it.
[01:26:59.770 --> 01:27:02.410]  Except that mainstream media would not put the story out.
[01:27:02.530 --> 01:27:03.630]  It's that devastating.
[01:27:05.370 --> 01:27:06.830]  And what happened?
[01:27:06.930 --> 01:27:19.310]  On the FBI files, on news and stories, they are now in history books as having thwarted additional plots by solving the World Trade Center bombing.
[01:27:19.650 --> 01:27:20.730]  How did they solve it?
[01:27:20.890 --> 01:27:30.210]  The guy they fired for $500 a week, they went and found him and paid him a million and a half dollars to help them solve what they could have stopped.
[01:27:32.190 --> 01:27:33.130]  Do you understand?
[01:27:33.230 --> 01:27:34.130]  And you don't know it.
[01:27:35.010 --> 01:27:47.790]  You, instead, the consensus in Congress and the media is that this plot to blow up the World Trade Center was so clever, so secret, so hard to penetrate, that they couldn't do it.
[01:27:47.870 --> 01:27:48.830]  We need more power.
[01:27:48.990 --> 01:27:50.350]  We need a Patriot Act.
[01:27:51.970 --> 01:27:58.590]  But the fact is, when you hear this CD, they had the whole case like on a CD-ROM.
[01:28:00.090 --> 01:28:02.790]  I mean, the Three Stooges would have done it better.
[01:28:02.990 --> 01:28:04.270]  Boop, boop, let's get...
[01:28:04.270 --> 01:28:06.190]  I mean, the guy was planning the bombing.
[01:28:07.710 --> 01:28:09.090]  And they fired him.
[01:28:09.730 --> 01:28:19.470]  And if you're wondering why Rudy Giuliani was screaming that we were going to make a law that the FBI has to now tell the NYPD, because they didn't even tell the NYPD.
[01:28:20.530 --> 01:28:30.530]  And oddly enough, and you'll hear that on the tape, the informer went into a hospital with his ears ringing the day of the bombing, the blast.
[01:28:32.330 --> 01:28:36.870]  And the informer says some enigmatic things that our Congress shouldn't... you'll hear it yourself.
[01:28:37.270 --> 01:28:41.170]  The informer says things like, they're planning the bombing.
[01:28:41.390 --> 01:28:44.450]  I am... the informer was helping to direct the bomb.
[01:28:46.630 --> 01:28:47.670]  Do you understand?
[01:28:47.970 --> 01:28:49.030]  And that's what informers do.
[01:28:49.150 --> 01:28:50.270]  They create crimes.
[01:28:50.670 --> 01:28:53.010]  But that's the secret that we will never know.
[01:28:53.110 --> 01:28:57.010]  And that may be, by the way, the secret to the McVeigh case, because I've studied the McVeigh case.
[01:28:57.010 --> 01:28:58.390]  I've done show after show.
[01:28:58.490 --> 01:29:01.230]  You can hear it on this website with experts.
[01:29:01.690 --> 01:29:05.450]  And the fact is, McVeigh was dealing with an informer a day.
[01:29:07.390 --> 01:29:09.250]  They had to know it was going to be done.
[01:29:09.550 --> 01:29:13.190]  And they botched it up like they did the World Trade Center.
[01:29:13.510 --> 01:29:14.850]  But then this goes further.
[01:29:15.370 --> 01:29:25.150]  What reveals on this tape, one tape, recorded voices, is that it's the same people who did it the first time who did it the second time.
[01:29:25.150 --> 01:29:30.030]  In 1995, they found Ramzi Youssef in Manila.
[01:29:30.330 --> 01:29:32.650]  By the way, with the help of the man they fired.
[01:29:33.770 --> 01:29:35.450]  He's the guy who planted the bomb.
[01:29:35.890 --> 01:29:43.010]  What you're not told is Ramzi Youssef was trained by central intelligence in the Afghan war to bomb.
[01:29:43.010 --> 01:29:50.850]  So here you have the FBI's informer helping them catch a CIA asset who planted the bomb.
[01:29:51.470 --> 01:30:01.330]  But the amazing thing you will hear on this one CD is Bob Blitzer, the head of anti-terrorism for the FBI, is confronted with this.
[01:30:02.990 --> 01:30:16.010]  And what he says is, yeah, Ramzi Youssef did have plans to hijack planes and use them as guided missiles on his hard drive when it was seized in 1995.
[01:30:16.830 --> 01:30:18.490]  And here's what this man said.
[01:30:19.650 --> 01:30:21.150]  But he was just one guy.
[01:30:22.910 --> 01:30:24.090]  You can hear it yourself.
[01:30:24.850 --> 01:30:26.130]  So what can you do?
[01:30:26.950 --> 01:30:29.050]  You'll support the show by getting this CD.
[01:30:29.710 --> 01:30:35.310]  But what you'll also be able to do is make copies of as many tapes as you can and send them as far and wide as you can.
[01:30:36.270 --> 01:30:37.470]  That's something to do.
[01:30:37.630 --> 01:30:38.410]  There's nothing else.
[01:30:39.550 --> 01:30:42.610]  Does it also say we should support the Patriot Act going on?
[01:30:43.270 --> 01:30:50.290]  What you'll hear is say, you'll hear on the tape, I did a show with Christina Borgeson who was 19 years mainstream media.
[01:30:50.330 --> 01:30:52.210]  You'll hear us say, you don't need a Patriot Act.
[01:30:52.330 --> 01:30:52.950]  That's the point.
[01:30:53.310 --> 01:30:54.970]  He said, these guys had it.
[01:30:55.150 --> 01:30:56.610]  What is a Patriot Act?
[01:30:56.650 --> 01:31:01.210]  We went off on a couple of congressmen who said we should have had a Patriot Act back then.
[01:31:01.210 --> 01:31:07.070]  And we played a tape and we comment on it right there and we say, look, I'm a professional.
[01:31:07.250 --> 01:31:09.110]  I used to do this for the Justice Department.
[01:31:09.670 --> 01:31:11.870]  The Patriot Act wouldn't have helped these guys.
[01:31:12.950 --> 01:31:15.010]  They had their gloves off all this time.
[01:31:15.110 --> 01:31:15.650]  There's nothing.
[01:31:15.890 --> 01:31:20.190]  This Patriot Act is just taking away, just taking this Constitution and shredding it.
[01:31:20.430 --> 01:31:25.130]  And the only way you can do it, I think, is by counteracting it with education.
[01:31:29.230 --> 01:31:44.450]  And if you want to know where their thinking is about informants, when informants said to Posey Padilla, they are more frantic now than ever to justify, that's to you, to Congress, so that Congress will say, hey, if we give you guys...
[01:31:44.450 --> 01:31:45.350]  This is what goes on.
[01:31:45.410 --> 01:31:45.910]  I've been there.
[01:31:46.470 --> 01:31:51.270]  The talk is, I want to support you guys, but you've got to give me something.
[01:31:51.270 --> 01:31:55.850]  The drug war has survived to this day because of a shill media.
[01:31:56.530 --> 01:31:58.870]  A completely fraudulent, phony drug war.
[01:31:58.970 --> 01:32:01.450]  We've spent a trillion dollars on a drug war to this day.
[01:32:01.610 --> 01:32:03.170]  We've got absolutely nothing.
[01:32:03.310 --> 01:32:07.270]  I'm looking for one guy who could say, yeah, Mike Levine, America saved me.
[01:32:07.910 --> 01:32:08.670]  Not one.
[01:32:09.110 --> 01:32:11.350]  A trillion dollars and you can't find one.
[01:32:12.430 --> 01:32:14.150]  How do you guys take this?
[01:32:14.410 --> 01:32:17.850]  The only reason it exists, again, go on the website, you'll see the piece.
[01:32:18.810 --> 01:32:21.090]  Mainstream media, the drug war shills.
[01:32:22.130 --> 01:32:23.550]  Well, now it's happening again.
[01:32:24.190 --> 01:32:31.690]  Only, now I don't think, I think a page in history is about to turn, that we're not going to be able to turn back.
[01:32:32.790 --> 01:32:34.750]  I think we're about to go too far.
[01:32:35.930 --> 01:32:39.110]  And those of you who want to get this CD, I urge you to get it.
[01:32:39.230 --> 01:32:44.610]  Hey, John Stitt, he's sitting there with whatever CDs are left.
[01:32:44.610 --> 01:32:45.510]  Stand up, John.
[01:32:45.750 --> 01:32:46.630]  I mean, he's very shy.
[01:32:46.770 --> 01:32:48.310]  I arrested him in 1975.
[01:32:52.210 --> 01:32:57.130]  So, because we're going to be gone soon, I would urge you, you know, that's something to do and you'd be supporting this show.
[01:32:57.930 --> 01:33:02.490]  And having said that, I think I'm almost out of time, but I've got about 10 or 15 minutes for questions.
[01:33:03.130 --> 01:33:04.850]  Do you guys want to... any questions?
[01:33:05.350 --> 01:33:05.690]  Come on.
[01:33:07.390 --> 01:33:08.250]  Yeah, go ahead, my friend.
[01:33:08.330 --> 01:33:08.690]  Call it out.
[01:33:08.770 --> 01:33:09.430]  I'm going to repeat it.
[01:33:09.430 --> 01:33:10.190]  I have two questions.
[01:33:10.310 --> 01:33:10.870]  Two questions.
[01:33:11.350 --> 01:33:11.750]  One
[01:33:21.750 --> 01:33:22.110]  on Waco.
[01:33:22.610 --> 01:33:23.330]  Oh, Waco.
[01:33:23.550 --> 01:33:24.330]  Again, go on the website.
[01:33:24.510 --> 01:33:25.690]  I did 10 shows on Waco.
[01:33:25.770 --> 01:33:27.590]  Waco was a murder, an assassination.
[01:33:27.970 --> 01:33:33.590]  In fact, I had the people who did the movie that was nominated...
[01:33:34.790 --> 01:33:38.550]  Yeah, I had them on my show three times to put their research on.
[01:33:38.990 --> 01:33:40.270]  Waco was an out-and-out murder.
[01:33:40.270 --> 01:33:48.510]  It was a media-planned extravaganza that was run by bureaucrats who have never... just don't know how to do the job.
[01:33:48.730 --> 01:33:50.650]  They put people out who are professionals.
[01:33:50.910 --> 01:33:59.410]  Again, you're running a system where professionals who know better because they're trained... like I try to go back and tell you that...
[01:33:59.410 --> 01:34:03.930]  and their experience is such that you don't turn against the bureaucracy no matter what.
[01:34:04.550 --> 01:34:06.430]  You're in this... the bureaucracy loves you.
[01:34:06.530 --> 01:34:08.190]  The bureaucracy will take care of you.
[01:34:08.190 --> 01:34:12.250]  You... you be loyal to the bureaucracy, not to you guys.
[01:34:13.190 --> 01:34:16.610]  Not to you guys because there's no reward for being loyal to you guys.
[01:34:17.370 --> 01:34:18.770]  And that's what happened in Waco.
[01:34:19.150 --> 01:34:23.350]  In fact, I have friends... I served in ATF and I have friends who wanted to come on the show and talk.
[01:34:23.510 --> 01:34:24.590]  But not about Waco.
[01:34:26.230 --> 01:34:28.870]  But I got a few people to come on and talk about it.
[01:34:29.110 --> 01:34:30.910]  You got to go on the archives and see it.
[01:34:31.310 --> 01:34:32.870]  And the other... and...
[01:34:33.450 --> 01:34:35.430]  Oh, the military... yeah, same thing.
[01:34:35.750 --> 01:34:36.750]  But military is worse.
[01:34:36.750 --> 01:34:40.930]  These guys... yeah, it's just... it's worse in the sense that you don't... you don't talk.
[01:34:41.010 --> 01:34:43.090]  You don't hear military guys coming forward at all.
[01:34:44.430 --> 01:34:45.050]  Yes, sir.
[01:34:45.430 --> 01:34:45.770]  The
[01:34:54.440 --> 01:34:56.680]  CIA now share intelligence.
[01:34:57.020 --> 01:34:58.220]  Okay, let me get that first.
[01:34:58.740 --> 01:34:58.820]  Okay.
[01:34:59.160 --> 01:35:00.920]  FBI, CIA, share intelligence.
[01:35:02.460 --> 01:35:03.360]  Absolute BS.
[01:35:03.660 --> 01:35:04.220]  Can't work.
[01:35:04.720 --> 01:35:06.440]  I was part of something like that.
[01:35:07.140 --> 01:35:15.420]  And the idea is we are now at a time where you got to take it out of the hands of people who have been at war for 50 years or 40 years.
[01:35:15.660 --> 01:35:16.160]  You can't.
[01:35:16.260 --> 01:35:25.540]  I was with the... I was with the Hard Narcotic Smuggling Group of Customs when the Drug Enforcement Administration was created to stop the war between customs and DEA.
[01:35:26.160 --> 01:35:34.220]  Day one, it was a multi-gazillion dollar move to create DEA to stop the war between the two agencies, to share intelligence, to work together.
[01:35:34.740 --> 01:35:38.440]  Day one, as a DEA agent, I go out because I speak Spanish.
[01:35:38.440 --> 01:35:44.300]  They sent me out to get to interview a Colombian smuggler.
[01:35:44.620 --> 01:35:49.920]  And when I get out there, my old cohorts in customs said, Mike, you're no longer with customs.
[01:35:50.040 --> 01:35:50.940]  You can't cross this line.
[01:35:52.020 --> 01:35:53.620]  Same thing is going on right now.
[01:35:53.780 --> 01:35:54.620]  I get it from the inside.
[01:35:54.760 --> 01:35:56.180]  There is absolute BS.
[01:35:56.860 --> 01:35:59.340]  And that policy, they're going to ignore that?
[01:35:59.620 --> 01:36:00.020]  Absolutely.
[01:36:00.380 --> 01:36:02.380]  They're going to ignore it and you're going to be told different.
[01:36:21.150 --> 01:36:21.550]  Yeah.
[01:36:21.790 --> 01:36:22.190]  Yeah.
[01:36:29.940 --> 01:36:31.200]  That's not what the CD...
[01:36:31.200 --> 01:36:35.560]  What the CD has is the informant tape recording the FBI agent.
[01:36:36.040 --> 01:36:37.280]  It speaks for itself.
[01:36:38.480 --> 01:36:39.360]  I teach...
[01:36:39.360 --> 01:36:40.260]  It's a great question.
[01:36:40.420 --> 01:36:41.780]  And I'm going to explain to you what happens.
[01:36:42.460 --> 01:36:43.840]  You need informers.
[01:36:43.960 --> 01:36:44.940]  There's no doubt about it.
[01:36:45.080 --> 01:36:49.440]  But what you need are professionals who corroborate informers.
[01:36:49.500 --> 01:36:51.420]  The KGB had a wonderful expression.
[01:36:51.780 --> 01:36:53.980]  And it was, trust but verify.
[01:36:53.980 --> 01:36:58.900]  What we have are a bunch of college boys, fraternity boys.
[01:36:59.080 --> 01:37:05.240]  One ex-CIA asset described them as fraternity boys with guns and no honor.
[01:37:05.540 --> 01:37:06.480]  They don't have...
[01:37:06.480 --> 01:37:19.320]  If you have people who really have no training, no expertise, no talent in that area, and you put them out with a gun badge and an informant, you're going to get Carlson cases.
[01:37:19.900 --> 01:37:21.200]  So it's a tough...
[01:37:21.200 --> 01:37:26.600]  One of the things I've said over and over on the show is there are certain people who can handle informers.
[01:37:26.820 --> 01:37:27.600]  Human intelligence.
[01:37:27.800 --> 01:37:28.680]  They have that magic.
[01:37:29.160 --> 01:37:31.220]  No amount of money can train you to do it.
[01:37:32.060 --> 01:37:34.220]  No amount of power can train you to do it.
[01:37:34.380 --> 01:37:35.500]  You might be able to.
[01:37:35.580 --> 01:37:37.620]  You might be a guy who sits down and you can do it.
[01:37:37.720 --> 01:37:38.380]  I don't know.
[01:37:38.460 --> 01:37:39.380]  I'd have to see you work.
[01:37:39.380 --> 01:37:42.440]  That's what we have to find to put in...
[01:37:42.440 --> 01:37:43.900]  You know, put that in their hands.
[01:37:44.020 --> 01:37:46.220]  There is no way of getting away from the informant system.
[01:37:46.460 --> 01:37:53.100]  But what it has to be is in the hands of professionals who are rewarded for doing... protecting us.
[01:37:53.280 --> 01:37:55.420]  Not jamming it to us.
[01:37:55.540 --> 01:37:56.460]  I hope that...
[01:37:56.460 --> 01:37:57.300]  Yes, thank you.
[01:37:57.460 --> 01:37:57.860]  Yeah, okay.
[01:37:58.400 --> 01:37:58.900]  Yes, sir.
[01:38:03.230 --> 01:38:03.950]  Yes, I have.
[01:38:07.550 --> 01:38:08.950]  You've been a person for a long time.
[01:38:08.950 --> 01:38:09.730]  Yeah, I know.
[01:38:09.930 --> 01:38:13.370]  You know, I don't recall whether I tried to get him on the show or not.
[01:38:13.430 --> 01:38:16.270]  He and I appeared together on a couple of things years ago.
[01:38:17.450 --> 01:38:17.850]  Yeah.
[01:38:18.470 --> 01:38:19.090]  Yeah, Joe.
[01:38:27.270 --> 01:38:27.910]  Sudanese offer?
[01:38:28.050 --> 01:38:28.190]  No.
[01:38:28.410 --> 01:38:28.770]  I can't.
[01:38:29.390 --> 01:38:30.110]  I can't.
[01:38:30.510 --> 01:38:30.910]  Yes.
[01:38:35.610 --> 01:38:36.190]  Say that.
[01:38:41.360 --> 01:38:42.780]  My reports on the...
[01:38:42.780 --> 01:38:43.600]  Which report?
[01:38:44.820 --> 01:38:46.420]  The one on...
[01:38:48.260 --> 01:38:49.780]  I'm going to put it up on my website.
[01:38:51.460 --> 01:38:52.920]  I'm going to put it up on my website.
[01:39:13.770 --> 01:39:14.430]  High tech?
[01:39:16.890 --> 01:39:17.830]  I'm not a techie.
[01:39:18.150 --> 01:39:19.240]  But I always worked around...
[01:39:19.650 --> 01:39:22.050]  I mean, I've done cases where...
[01:39:23.330 --> 01:39:25.570]  And this is in the early days of computers.
[01:39:26.150 --> 01:39:31.690]  Where an international drug operation, one run by a guy by the name of Harold Barr.
[01:39:31.910 --> 01:39:33.390]  The entire thing was computerized.
[01:39:33.390 --> 01:39:34.790]  He had everything on computer.
[01:39:35.630 --> 01:39:38.730]  And we were able to penetrate it with human intelligence.
[01:39:39.090 --> 01:39:40.510]  Informers and undercover agents.
[01:39:42.310 --> 01:39:45.890]  And so, you know, the bottom line is, if you can combine the two...
[01:39:45.890 --> 01:39:48.050]  I have a thing called CENTAC that I do.
[01:39:48.050 --> 01:39:51.910]  And I've got guys who work with me on select cases.
[01:39:52.730 --> 01:39:54.090]  Top computer guys.
[01:39:54.550 --> 01:39:55.570]  Top human intelligence.
[01:39:55.850 --> 01:39:56.410]  Undercovers.
[01:39:56.810 --> 01:40:00.150]  And we put them together for commercial work.
[01:40:00.870 --> 01:40:03.290]  But you can't take away one without the other.
[01:40:03.290 --> 01:40:04.070]  You need the techie.
[01:40:04.190 --> 01:40:05.450]  You also need the good undercover.
[01:40:05.670 --> 01:40:06.990]  You also need the good human intelligence.
[01:40:07.270 --> 01:40:08.010]  You need it all.
[01:40:09.710 --> 01:40:10.290]  Yes, sir.
[01:40:16.500 --> 01:40:18.320]  Yeah, oddly enough, I still teach...
[01:40:18.320 --> 01:40:20.140]  I teach at the Ontario Police College.
[01:40:20.880 --> 01:40:23.140]  I teach to this day at the Ontario.
[01:40:23.260 --> 01:40:26.540]  And every now and then, CSPIS comes...
[01:40:26.540 --> 01:40:28.260]  They send guys in to monitor my class.
[01:40:28.480 --> 01:40:29.560]  I have to tell you...
[01:40:29.560 --> 01:40:30.420]  What he's talking about.
[01:40:30.460 --> 01:40:30.800]  You Canadian?
[01:40:31.420 --> 01:40:32.100]  Oh, yes.
[01:40:32.180 --> 01:40:32.540]  Okay.
[01:40:33.140 --> 01:40:36.100]  He's talking about the Canadian CIA.
[01:40:36.100 --> 01:40:38.880]  Now I'm going to give you an odd thing.
[01:40:38.950 --> 01:40:44.360]  I was teaching undercover survival and informant handling at the Ontario Police College.
[01:40:44.480 --> 01:40:49.950]  Unbeknownst to me, there were men from the CIA, the Canadian CIA monitoring my class.
[01:40:50.240 --> 01:40:51.640]  And the following happened.
[01:40:51.740 --> 01:40:53.740]  Do you remember when CIA bombed the Chinese embassy?
[01:40:54.910 --> 01:40:55.460]  Okay.
[01:40:57.580 --> 01:40:58.140]  Everybody...
[01:40:58.140 --> 01:41:10.340]  You know, most of these listeners and most people are so sold on this agency having these devious, sneaky, Machiavellian plots that they all were looking for some logical reason.
[01:41:10.500 --> 01:41:15.100]  You know, some secret reason that the CIA would have for bombing the Chinese embassy.
[01:41:15.180 --> 01:41:19.960]  One guy said to me, my CIA was bitch-slapping the Chinese.
[01:41:21.660 --> 01:41:26.040]  I mean, I said, you know, my work is really cut out for me.
[01:41:26.340 --> 01:41:31.980]  Bitch-slapping a nation with a couple of hundred million army nuclear strike force.
[01:41:31.980 --> 01:41:33.000]  Bitch-slapping them?
[01:41:33.970 --> 01:41:34.410]  Whoa.
[01:41:34.980 --> 01:41:42.280]  If it's true that they were bitch-slapping the Chinese, then we got to take away their bitch-slapping for good.
[01:41:43.480 --> 01:41:44.820]  Because they're going to...
[01:41:46.070 --> 01:41:47.600]  So, I get a source.
[01:41:48.630 --> 01:41:52.080]  One of my people who called me because I'm cheaper than a psychiatrist.
[01:41:52.140 --> 01:41:53.180]  I'll go on the air with it.
[01:41:53.320 --> 01:41:54.680]  He calls me and says, this is what happened.
[01:41:55.560 --> 01:41:57.720]  The CIA had an informer in Kosovo.
[01:41:58.720 --> 01:42:00.540]  Only thing is, he was a double agent.
[01:42:00.540 --> 01:42:02.500]  He was really working for the Serbs.
[01:42:03.760 --> 01:42:07.380]  And he came in to his CIA handler and he gave him a coordinate to hit.
[01:42:08.050 --> 01:42:11.280]  He said, you hit that coordinate and you're going to kill a bunch of Serb military.
[01:42:12.020 --> 01:42:12.740]  And it worked.
[01:42:12.950 --> 01:42:14.320]  They killed a bunch of Serb military.
[01:42:14.500 --> 01:42:16.740]  Now he came back again, maybe did it two times.
[01:42:17.140 --> 01:42:22.880]  The third time he did it, this is such an elementary trick.
[01:42:22.880 --> 01:42:25.700]  The third time he said, you're going to have to hit right away.
[01:42:26.140 --> 01:42:28.540]  Or you're going to lose the opportunity of killing...
[01:42:28.540 --> 01:42:30.120]  And there were a couple of top officials.
[01:42:30.640 --> 01:42:34.580]  And the CIA shot their gun and the coordinates were the Chinese embassy.
[01:42:37.980 --> 01:42:39.360]  Now, I say, you sure?
[01:42:39.480 --> 01:42:41.060]  He said, Mike, that's the gospel truth.
[01:42:41.590 --> 01:42:46.320]  So I'm in Canada and I'm telling the story to policemen.
[01:42:47.480 --> 01:42:49.180]  Because I was teaching informant handling.
[01:42:51.410 --> 01:42:53.320]  And I said, I can't verify it.
[01:42:53.480 --> 01:42:57.120]  Now at the end, one of the guys from CSPIS comes up and he tells me, introduces himself.
[01:42:57.450 --> 01:42:59.140]  And he said, I have a question for you.
[01:42:59.880 --> 01:43:01.020]  How did you know that?
[01:43:01.750 --> 01:43:03.200]  That's supposed to be top secret.
[01:43:08.870 --> 01:43:09.730]  He was there.
[01:43:10.110 --> 01:43:11.790]  CSPIS was over there in Kosovo.
[01:43:12.430 --> 01:43:14.050]  And that's...
[01:43:14.890 --> 01:43:15.470]  Do they...
[01:43:15.470 --> 01:43:16.370]  Are they like CIA?
[01:43:16.630 --> 01:43:17.870]  Apparently, they're...
[01:43:17.870 --> 01:43:19.430]  You know, they were close enough.
[01:43:21.750 --> 01:43:22.350]  Yes, sir.
[01:43:23.050 --> 01:43:26.660]  Top secret, how do you find out?
[01:43:26.860 --> 01:43:28.220]  You've shown a lot of stuff with us.
[01:43:28.320 --> 01:43:30.620]  You're talking about putting a report up on your website.
[01:43:31.420 --> 01:43:33.860]  I'm wrote, but it's officially classified.
[01:43:34.620 --> 01:43:35.020]  Well...
[01:43:37.000 --> 01:43:37.540]  I'm not.
[01:43:37.700 --> 01:43:38.320]  I'm scared.
[01:43:38.900 --> 01:43:40.200]  I'm not confident at all.
[01:43:40.380 --> 01:43:41.020]  Believe me, I'm not.
[01:43:42.180 --> 01:43:53.480]  I sometimes joke on the show and say, you know, I have one eye on the door expecting, you know, a task force to come in and take me out for violation of the Patriot Act.
[01:43:53.580 --> 01:43:55.120]  I don't know what the violation would be.
[01:43:55.300 --> 01:43:55.980]  I have no idea.
[01:43:55.980 --> 01:44:02.020]  But the law is now so nebulous and all-encompassing that I suppose I'm going to be vulnerable.
[01:44:02.760 --> 01:44:03.760]  So here's the point.
[01:44:04.060 --> 01:44:05.100]  When I wrote...
[01:44:05.100 --> 01:44:06.460]  Okay, I've got to wrap it up.
[01:44:06.700 --> 01:44:10.580]  When I wrote Deep Cover, Deep Cover was the inside...
[01:44:10.580 --> 01:44:11.380]  It was supposed to be a memo.
[01:44:11.480 --> 01:44:16.340]  I wrote a memo to the Justice Department saying, Edwin Meese blew the cover of this operation.
[01:44:17.040 --> 01:44:18.220]  All of these things happened.
[01:44:18.340 --> 01:44:20.740]  CIA killed this operation in all these countries.
[01:44:21.340 --> 01:44:23.920]  And I was told, this is never going to see the light of day.
[01:44:24.240 --> 01:44:25.620]  And so I said, I'm writing a book.
[01:44:25.760 --> 01:44:29.460]  Now, a lot of secret stuff is in Deep Cover.
[01:44:30.120 --> 01:44:31.820]  But it was never written to be a book.
[01:44:31.920 --> 01:44:34.740]  It was backed up by recorded conversations, reports.
[01:44:34.820 --> 01:44:35.660]  I'm very good at that.
[01:44:35.760 --> 01:44:36.820]  That's what the book is.
[01:44:36.880 --> 01:44:38.000]  You say, well, how?
[01:44:38.580 --> 01:44:39.500]  How do you do that?
[01:44:39.560 --> 01:44:40.440]  How do you get away with that?
[01:44:40.580 --> 01:44:41.720]  Now, I'm going to cut to...
[01:44:41.720 --> 01:44:44.480]  The Phil Donahue show was the first time I ever came on TV.
[01:44:45.540 --> 01:44:49.440]  I'm sitting in the green room and I was, you know, selling Deep Cover.
[01:44:50.760 --> 01:44:54.640]  And the phone said, Mike Levine, this is a call for you.
[01:44:54.780 --> 01:44:56.020]  Who the hell knew I was there?
[01:44:56.420 --> 01:44:58.360]  It was a guy in DEA headquarters.
[01:44:58.700 --> 01:45:10.060]  And he said the following, Mike, I'm sitting here and there are 10 lawyers with your book right now, going page by page, looking for any reason to indict you.
[01:45:12.020 --> 01:45:18.680]  And I said, if you're trying to scare the shit out of me, you've succeeded beyond your wildest imagination.
[01:45:20.900 --> 01:45:22.600]  But there was no turning back for me.
[01:45:22.900 --> 01:45:24.820]  I'm not the bravest guy in the world.
[01:45:24.980 --> 01:45:26.820]  Believe me, I'm frightened.
[01:45:27.160 --> 01:45:27.740]  I don't know.
[01:45:27.920 --> 01:45:28.500]  You know, I've gotten...
[01:45:28.500 --> 01:45:31.340]  Haven't you ever gotten into a fight in your life when you were scared stiff?
[01:45:31.800 --> 01:45:33.200]  And there was no other way out?
[01:45:34.160 --> 01:45:35.320]  Only way out is through?
[01:45:36.380 --> 01:45:39.560]  That's what I seem to have inherited in this life.
[01:45:39.560 --> 01:45:40.520]  There is no way out.
[01:45:40.840 --> 01:45:42.220]  It's not this great...
[01:45:42.220 --> 01:45:43.100]  Here I am.
[01:45:43.220 --> 01:45:44.260]  It's my lot in life.
[01:45:45.440 --> 01:45:49.260]  So, on the Donahue show, one of the questions came up.
[01:45:49.320 --> 01:45:50.140]  Am I giving it away?
[01:45:51.420 --> 01:45:51.860]  Secrets?
[01:45:52.020 --> 01:45:53.620]  And I said, look, here's the...
[01:45:53.620 --> 01:45:55.180]  And this is what I think saved my life.
[01:45:55.540 --> 01:45:57.040]  I said, I took two oaths.
[01:45:57.900 --> 01:45:59.560]  One to defend the Constitution.
[01:46:00.140 --> 01:46:02.040]  One to defend the secrets of the bureaucracy.
[01:46:02.480 --> 01:46:03.540]  I can't keep both.
[01:46:03.840 --> 01:46:05.520]  I chose to defend the Constitution.
[01:46:05.520 --> 01:46:07.220]  And I think I saved my life.
[01:46:08.280 --> 01:46:08.740]  And...
[01:46:10.380 --> 01:46:11.300]  Thank you.
[01:46:11.580 --> 01:46:12.340]  Thank you, guys.
[01:46:12.440 --> 01:46:13.460]  The next panel on.
[01:46:14.680 --> 01:46:15.260]  We're done.
[01:46:16.060 --> 01:46:16.880]  Say goodbye to everybody.
[01:46:17.300 --> 01:46:17.740]  Yeah, guys.
[01:46:17.900 --> 01:46:18.100]  I'm leaving.
[01:46:18.220 --> 01:46:19.080]  Thank you so much.
[01:46:19.760 --> 01:46:20.460]  All of you.
[01:46:29.140 --> 01:46:34.140]  And if you like that, coming up next is the new FBI with more stories of excitement.
[01:46:37.120 --> 01:46:39.320]  We have a panel of several people coming up.
[01:46:39.480 --> 01:46:41.100]  A lot of people have been waiting for this panel.
[01:46:41.260 --> 01:46:42.020]  It's going to be excellent.
[01:46:45.240 --> 01:46:52.060]  And after that, be sure to head downstairs for more ravey insanity in the DJ room with many DJs spinning.
[01:46:53.740 --> 01:46:54.840]  Get on the network.
[01:46:55.460 --> 01:46:56.780]  Play with old computers.
[01:47:03.810 --> 01:47:06.070]  We're going to start the next panel in about two minutes.
[01:47:06.230 --> 01:47:15.510]  So if you need to go to the restroom or go change the tape and your secret microphone that you've got taped to your chest, please do so.
[01:47:15.850 --> 01:47:16.450]  Thank you.
[01:47:19.090 --> 01:47:19.490]  What?
[01:47:19.730 --> 01:47:19.930]  What?
[01:47:20.310 --> 01:47:20.370]  What?
[01:47:21.390 --> 01:47:21.790]  What?
[01:47:25.170 --> 01:47:26.650]  Oh, it's all about you.
[01:47:26.950 --> 01:47:27.990]  Well, let's turn it to this guy.
[01:47:28.110 --> 01:47:28.530]  How about this?
[01:47:31.370 --> 01:47:34.430]  Dude, listen, I can't upset a guy with a hat like that, dude.
[01:47:35.550 --> 01:47:36.750]  He's legit, man.
[01:47:38.410 --> 01:47:40.330]  Let me just give you...
[01:47:40.330 --> 01:47:40.910]  Your microphone?
[01:47:42.090 --> 01:47:43.050]  He's the keynoter.
[01:47:43.370 --> 01:47:44.030]  No, no, no.
[01:47:44.410 --> 01:47:45.310]  You can use it.
[01:47:45.650 --> 01:47:47.870]  He supports everything you've sent.
[01:47:48.330 --> 01:47:48.690]  Oh.
[01:47:49.470 --> 01:47:49.870]  Use it.
[01:47:52.550 --> 01:47:52.890]  Use it.
[01:47:52.890 --> 01:47:53.110]  Use it.
[01:47:53.250 --> 01:47:53.510]  Use it.
[01:47:53.510 --> 01:47:53.890]  Use it.
[01:47:54.170 --> 01:47:54.270]  Use it.
[01:47:54.270 --> 01:47:54.290]  Use it.
[01:47:54.430 --> 01:47:54.930]  Use it.
[01:47:54.930 --> 01:47:55.090]  Use it.
[01:47:55.530 --> 01:47:57.010]  I actually sent the name of it.
[01:48:00.350 --> 01:48:01.130]  Oh.
[01:48:01.750 --> 01:48:04.530]  The panel coming up is called The New FBI.
[01:48:05.110 --> 01:48:07.030]  Not to be confused with the old FBI.
[01:48:08.950 --> 01:48:11.270]  The New Friendly FBI.
[01:48:13.810 --> 01:48:17.430]  We're your partner keeping terrorism out of your house.
[01:48:18.490 --> 01:48:20.650]  Can I get that video...
[01:48:20.650 --> 01:48:24.550]  Can I get that video...
[01:48:24.550 --> 01:48:24.590]  Can I get that video...
[01:48:24.590 --> 01:48:26.010]  You have the video tape?
[01:48:26.230 --> 01:48:26.450]  Yeah.
[01:48:28.710 --> 01:48:29.270]  Um...
[01:48:29.270 --> 01:48:30.170]  That's the...
[01:48:30.170 --> 01:48:32.510]  I wish I knew the AV dude's name.
[01:48:45.070 --> 01:48:46.790]  It's like old home week here.
[01:48:57.490 --> 01:48:58.050]  Okay.
[01:49:33.910 --> 01:49:35.030]  Oh, shit.
[01:49:35.350 --> 01:49:36.510]  I read a lot of votes.
[01:49:36.510 --> 01:49:37.230]  I agree with you.
[01:49:37.410 --> 01:49:37.970]  I agree with you.