[00:00.000 --> 00:03.080]  Thank you so much, Greg, and thank you, HOPE, for being here again.
[00:03.320 --> 00:03.660]  Right on.
[00:07.790 --> 00:09.950]  And thank you, Pinup, for the bar service.
[00:11.090 --> 00:15.110]  These will be both panelist drinks as well as audience drinks for good, brief questions.
[00:17.510 --> 00:22.130]  So, lockpicking on the screen, much like any hacking on the screen, right?
[00:22.290 --> 00:23.990]  It's always super accurate.
[00:24.590 --> 00:31.150]  It blows you away, and you immediately launch into Internet forums, so you can register your extreme pleasure and satisfaction.
[00:31.150 --> 00:35.770]  Yeah, you just stick any two things into a lock, right, and move them, and it magically opens.
[00:36.030 --> 00:36.210]  Oh, yeah.
[00:36.490 --> 00:39.850]  Doesn't matter what lock, doesn't matter what two things, just any two things.
[00:40.050 --> 00:41.410]  You don't even need two things sometimes.
[00:41.650 --> 00:41.890]  Oh.
[00:42.430 --> 00:44.730]  If you're really good at just one thing.
[00:45.710 --> 00:50.450]  So, the thing about portraying lockpicking in general, lockpicking is really fun.
[00:50.590 --> 00:52.130]  First of all, who enjoys lockpicking, right?
[00:52.570 --> 00:54.410]  Yeah, that's why you're... and we do.
[00:55.130 --> 00:57.950]  Lockpicking is a hoot, but it's actually not very visual.
[00:57.950 --> 01:09.290]  We have all kind of slides, and animations, and diagrams, and we try to teach this stuff, because unless you're showing someone a clear, see-through lock, it's really hard to convey what's going on inside the lock.
[01:09.550 --> 01:16.630]  So, in fiction, a lot of times, you know, to portray in still photos or in film, you kind of have to cheat a little bit.
[01:16.630 --> 01:28.970]  Like, you can show the lockpicker, and maybe show their tools, like, outside the lock, or have their tools, like, about to go into the lock, but unless you have some sort of fake cutaway view, you can't really show what's happening in the lock.
[01:29.190 --> 01:39.490]  You often can't even show someone picking really accurately, because, you know, like, this is a cool action-looking sequence here, but, like, it's a totally staged photo.
[01:39.490 --> 01:42.010]  Like, it was for a magazine shoot that we were in.
[01:42.270 --> 01:43.550]  With some douche at the door.
[01:43.770 --> 01:44.370]  I know, right?
[01:44.450 --> 01:53.510]  And, like, I'm not standing in front of the lock, I'm, like, way off to the side, to do, this was, it's, whatever, we can tell this crowd, I love this line that you said, I mean, I'll attribute it to you.
[01:54.250 --> 02:03.990]  Shooting lockpicking is a lot like filming adult entertainment, because the positions of a body are the most unrealistic thing, so you can actually see where something's going in.
[02:04.410 --> 02:06.870]  Like, you have to be like, I'm picking the lock.
[02:07.150 --> 02:08.870]  Like, no one uses that angle.
[02:09.870 --> 02:16.230]  So, picking often takes a back seat to just showing, showing, like, action happening, right?
[02:16.470 --> 02:18.510]  And there's kind of two ways that films do that.
[02:18.590 --> 02:20.270]  There's a good corollary with guns, right?
[02:20.310 --> 02:25.750]  You can have, like, a popcorn action movie, like John Woo films, with, like, clicky guns happening all the time.
[02:26.170 --> 02:27.130]  Or you can show...
[02:27.130 --> 02:27.890]  I love clicky guns.
[02:28.030 --> 02:28.930]  Clicky guns, yes.
[02:29.510 --> 02:35.130]  Or, like, a realistic film, with fallible characters, under stress, and intense situations, with their firearms.
[02:35.310 --> 02:36.910]  Like, lockpicking is the same way, and we're gonna...
[02:36.910 --> 02:39.150]  Dave has some opinions about the quality of films.
[02:39.490 --> 02:40.390]  Yes, I do.
[02:40.450 --> 02:41.930]  And the quality of guns in films, too.
[02:42.050 --> 02:44.710]  Talk about guns later with me, and I'll talk all day long.
[02:44.930 --> 02:57.010]  But, for talking about lockpicking, who wants to, who wants to lead us off with this great survive style 5+, the, like, quite the clicky gun style of, like, nothing realistic at all about this, right?
[02:57.010 --> 02:58.510]  I think I remember this one.
[02:58.590 --> 02:59.350]  This is pretty funny.
[03:00.010 --> 03:02.390]  So, I think what we're about to see...
[03:02.390 --> 03:05.310]  I don't actually think I've ever seen the movie, but I've seen this clip.
[03:05.470 --> 03:07.870]  He's gonna walk up with a jackknife.
[03:08.790 --> 03:12.570]  Lockpick set, which is this little set of lockpicks that folds up, and there's a tension wrench on it.
[03:12.730 --> 03:13.610]  Do you remember the brand?
[03:13.830 --> 03:14.350]  Can you tell?
[03:14.550 --> 03:15.250]  I don't remember.
[03:15.250 --> 03:17.350]  It looks like an early, early southward set.
[03:17.650 --> 03:17.670]  Probably.
[03:17.870 --> 03:19.150]  It does look like that.
[03:19.450 --> 03:22.750]  Very similar to the one that I think is on sale downstairs in the vendor area.
[03:23.070 --> 03:23.250]  All right.
[03:24.170 --> 03:24.870]  From, like, yeah.
[03:24.870 --> 03:28.850]  Well, anyway, you'll see if this is an example of good or bad.
[03:29.170 --> 03:29.610]  Let's see.
[03:33.810 --> 03:35.030]  Oh, that's the southern set.
[03:35.290 --> 03:36.290]  That's not the one we sell.
[03:38.610 --> 03:39.890]  But wait, there's more.
[03:42.770 --> 03:43.790]  Okay, let's go.
[03:44.450 --> 03:46.570]  There's no need to turn the plug, by the way.
[03:46.690 --> 03:47.150]  Not at all.
[03:47.270 --> 03:49.870]  Just move the pick up and down, and it opens.
[03:50.110 --> 03:52.630]  You just sort of wiggle, and there's a click, and you're done.
[03:52.630 --> 03:54.250]  I really like his expression.
[03:54.410 --> 03:55.630]  Can we see him again here?
[03:56.210 --> 03:56.530]  Really quick?
[03:58.770 --> 03:59.230]  He's...
[03:59.230 --> 04:00.130]  Very intense.
[04:00.490 --> 04:02.910]  And it's really important that you look at what he's doing.
[04:03.070 --> 04:03.730]  I need you.
[04:09.660 --> 04:11.460]  Where's the turning tool in there?
[04:11.780 --> 04:14.100]  They did a great job with that guy's character.
[04:14.320 --> 04:17.360]  Just, like, what he's wearing, and the hair, and the face.
[04:17.880 --> 04:18.680]  Very covert.
[04:19.260 --> 04:20.760]  But, of course, you're not seeing anything.
[04:20.980 --> 04:22.700]  Like, this is the lowest end of...
[04:22.700 --> 04:24.520]  They just want to throw in an element of, like...
[04:24.520 --> 04:26.680]  It's like the computer hacker that just...
[04:26.680 --> 04:31.660]  Things swirl on the screen, and the camera pans around their face, looking a certain way, and then...
[04:31.660 --> 04:31.900]  Ooh!
[04:32.080 --> 04:33.080]  They broke the password.
[04:33.280 --> 04:33.440]  Great.
[04:34.880 --> 04:39.540]  So, sometimes prop departments really love to get into it, if they're going to show something close up, right?
[04:39.640 --> 04:40.700]  Like, how many times have we...
[04:40.700 --> 04:41.320]  Which is...
[04:41.320 --> 04:44.840]  Do you just call it, like, the city rake, or the sexiness of the city rake, right?
[04:45.360 --> 04:46.420]  The S rake?
[04:46.600 --> 04:47.180]  Is that what you're talking about?
[04:47.280 --> 04:47.780]  The snake?
[04:47.800 --> 04:48.020]  The long rake.
[04:48.300 --> 04:48.780]  The long jag.
[04:49.160 --> 04:50.140]  Oh, I haven't...
[04:50.140 --> 04:52.260]  I don't think I've seen a lot of the city rake.
[04:52.400 --> 04:54.520]  But the S rake, I feel like, all the time.
[04:55.020 --> 04:55.480]  All the time.
[04:55.580 --> 04:57.880]  Both of those really are pretty popular for that.
[04:57.980 --> 04:58.100]  Right.
[04:58.160 --> 05:02.200]  Anything that looks more intricate and jaggedy, they're gonna be like, Ooh, this looks good.
[05:02.600 --> 05:02.820]  It looks complicated.
[05:02.820 --> 05:04.280]  Looks like they have really intense tools.
[05:04.680 --> 05:05.020]  Wrong direction.
[05:06.160 --> 05:06.960]  Wrong tools.
[05:07.840 --> 05:08.240]  Yeah.
[05:08.860 --> 05:11.420]  The jagged part is supposed to go down, away from the...
[05:11.420 --> 05:12.060]  Yeah, away from the pins.
[05:13.320 --> 05:15.660]  So they learn somewhere that there's two tools involved.
[05:15.860 --> 05:17.340]  They're just not supposed to be two lockpicks.
[05:17.900 --> 05:19.180]  So all the...
[05:19.180 --> 05:20.800]  You know, there's a couple of...
[05:20.800 --> 05:24.300]  There's a number of, like, really common lockpicking f*ck-ups in film.
[05:25.000 --> 05:25.540]  One of...
[05:25.540 --> 05:27.980]  The most common one is, like, oh, they're not using a turning tool.
[05:28.160 --> 05:29.480]  That's the most obvious one.
[05:29.640 --> 05:32.980]  They're using either one pick tool or two pick tools and no turning tool.
[05:33.660 --> 05:34.840]  That's the big one.
[05:34.840 --> 05:42.640]  The other one is that you hear the bolt unlock without them actually turning the plug.
[05:43.260 --> 05:43.460]  Mm-hmm.
[05:43.700 --> 05:50.280]  And then even that's not quite so bad as the door that automatically unlocks and falls open without turning the plug.
[05:50.740 --> 05:50.860]  Yeah.
[05:51.060 --> 05:54.440]  So you'll see various forms of that throughout these clips.
[05:54.440 --> 05:58.680]  I have to say one of my favorite scenes that we don't have is Beverly Hills Cop.
[05:59.480 --> 05:59.940]  Oh, yeah.
[05:59.940 --> 06:00.500]  That is a good one.
[06:00.500 --> 06:01.460]  He uses two lockpicks.
[06:01.720 --> 06:07.680]  And it's a mechanism to stop the actors or the characters while they have a conversation.
[06:08.000 --> 06:10.100]  So you see him take out two lockpicks.
[06:10.180 --> 06:11.720]  You see him put them into the keyway.
[06:11.840 --> 06:14.620]  And then he actually spends time on it.
[06:14.760 --> 06:17.040]  You can't see what he's doing because he's blocking them.
[06:17.160 --> 06:19.360]  But the characters are having another discussion and dialogue.
[06:19.360 --> 06:22.460]  And eventually you see him do something and it opens.
[06:23.100 --> 06:29.100]  And even though like I had to stop that movie and like rewind it five times and people were ready to strangle me with the remote.
[06:29.800 --> 06:34.320]  Just to make sure like those are two locks and two picks and no turning tool.
[06:34.560 --> 06:36.060]  And I think I know what brand they are.
[06:36.960 --> 06:38.960]  It really did well for the movie.
[06:39.060 --> 06:40.060]  It did well for the movie.
[06:40.180 --> 06:40.920]  It got it along.
[06:41.260 --> 06:45.000]  It showed that it took some time and it took some skill on Eddie Murphy's character part.
[06:45.620 --> 06:49.580]  If only they'd use the turning tool instead of another lockpick.
[06:49.820 --> 06:52.340]  But this comes to a really interesting point, right?
[06:52.620 --> 07:00.900]  It's very rare for a dedicated enough props department to actually gimmick up a lock that you can get that very satisfying for us.
[07:00.900 --> 07:02.220]  Like plug turn moment.
[07:02.480 --> 07:04.520]  And we even had one example of this, right?
[07:04.660 --> 07:06.300]  Who first found this clip?
[07:06.380 --> 07:06.680]  Do you remember?
[07:07.740 --> 07:08.580]  I don't know.
[07:08.820 --> 07:10.240]  While you're playing it, I'll see if I can find it.
[07:10.280 --> 07:10.280]  I don't know.
[07:10.280 --> 07:11.240]  It's a great goddamn film.
[07:11.380 --> 07:12.460]  Yeah, who's seen Inside Man?
[07:12.460 --> 07:14.040]  Like, it's a really...
[07:14.040 --> 07:15.240]  We should see more hands.
[07:15.460 --> 07:18.900]  It kind of was a sleeper at the theaters, but like it was a really good f*cking movie.
[07:19.280 --> 07:26.460]  And in this scene, you'll see wrong picks, of course, because you need to look cool with the long rake picks in your lever lock.
[07:26.720 --> 07:30.480]  But they gimmicked up a cylinder so that they could actually show the turn.
[07:32.820 --> 07:41.900]  Thankfully, the rest of the film by this point was good enough that like I was able to overlook this, which should tell you how much I enjoyed the rest of the film.
[07:42.020 --> 07:48.260]  But as I think Preston called it, the no-cut, the no-edit open moment is kind of really neat and you don't see that often.
[07:48.620 --> 07:55.220]  And it's just because so many minutiae details just are not in the consideration of people producing a lot of pictures.
[07:55.220 --> 08:00.500]  Like, I'm certain there's got to be a lot of, I don't know, photographers out there who know everything about cameras.
[08:00.520 --> 08:04.940]  And if someone's using a camera, like, oh, well, they didn't adjust their f-stop or they didn't actually...
[08:04.940 --> 08:06.460]  I don't know a lot about photography.
[08:06.660 --> 08:09.200]  Like, maybe Lady Merlin screams at the screen a lot when she sees movies.
[08:09.360 --> 08:13.520]  But to get down into the nitty-gritty of every subculture that you represent is hard.
[08:13.560 --> 08:15.420]  So when we see that, we were pretty impressed.
[08:15.420 --> 08:21.980]  Even though the props they were using were wrong, they did the hard work of building a door that they could actually swing and open the cylinder.
[08:23.100 --> 08:27.020]  I see it with firearms a lot, especially after getting trained properly.
[08:27.180 --> 08:30.380]  And I'm like, why the hell is the guy walking around with his finger on the trigger?
[08:31.100 --> 08:33.480]  Like, no, just take it off.
[08:33.580 --> 08:33.900]  That's it.
[08:33.900 --> 08:35.280]  Or just why does the gun click?
[08:35.840 --> 08:37.560]  The guns are clicking all the time.
[08:37.980 --> 08:39.460]  It's right about to fall apart.
[08:39.660 --> 08:40.900]  It doesn't matter what kind it is.
[08:41.900 --> 08:46.240]  Like, the guy's just holding a revolver and, like, he moves his wrist like, you know, half an inch.
[08:46.340 --> 08:47.420]  And it's like, click, click, click, click, click, click.
[08:47.680 --> 08:48.460]  What did he do?
[08:48.580 --> 08:49.080]  What's going on?
[08:49.780 --> 08:51.460]  20 shots later, he's got to reload.
[08:52.100 --> 08:53.660]  Speaking of, there's a great parallel to that.
[08:53.840 --> 08:55.680]  I don't remember how long ago this app came out.
[08:55.920 --> 08:59.440]  But there was an application that you would run as an idle process.
[08:59.660 --> 09:03.260]  And it would basically turn your computer into a computer from TV and film.
[09:03.360 --> 09:04.520]  That was a null beep.
[09:04.760 --> 09:05.220]  Null beep.
[09:05.360 --> 09:05.920]  Null beep.
[09:06.120 --> 09:08.560]  That was made by the people who brought you Winamp.
[09:08.740 --> 09:10.140]  Which really whips the llama's ass.
[09:10.160 --> 09:12.860]  Who, like, opened an application or minimized a window or, like, hit enter.
[09:12.860 --> 09:15.440]  It would, like, beep, boop, boop.
[09:15.720 --> 09:17.600]  Like, your computer would just beep all the time.
[09:18.420 --> 09:19.220]  It would hum.
[09:19.440 --> 09:22.160]  And, like, as the processor time went up, it would hum louder.
[09:22.760 --> 09:24.280]  So I don't need to get a pet?
[09:24.280 --> 09:26.980]  I can just put that on my computer and it'll be like having a pet?
[09:27.140 --> 09:27.360]  Yeah.
[09:27.540 --> 09:27.780]  Oh, yeah.
[09:27.920 --> 09:28.200]  More or less.
[09:28.400 --> 09:28.720]  Null beep.
[09:28.840 --> 09:30.800]  I'm sure it still runs in, like, a DOS box or something.
[09:31.580 --> 09:34.120]  Speaking of other old stuff, who watched MacGyver?
[09:34.900 --> 09:35.440]  Come on.
[09:35.520 --> 09:36.080]  There we go.
[09:36.820 --> 09:37.460]  Another example.
[09:37.460 --> 09:39.620]  Who's got their multi-tool with them, huh?
[09:39.880 --> 09:40.080]  Right?
[09:40.940 --> 09:43.540]  Another example of you don't see exactly the right tools.
[09:43.540 --> 09:45.080]  In this case, not a turning tool.
[09:45.240 --> 09:46.520]  But, again, the plug moved.
[09:46.720 --> 09:48.080]  So we kind of called this one Not Bad.
[09:50.620 --> 09:54.660]  I like that it's labeled lock.
[09:57.640 --> 10:01.500]  Be sure to label your locks so that people know that they are, in fact, locks.
[10:01.760 --> 10:02.800]  You may have thought it was a button.
[10:03.360 --> 10:03.580]  Right.
[10:03.840 --> 10:04.280]  You never know.
[10:04.700 --> 10:09.080]  That would be funny if you had a wafer lock that was just buttoned and it wasn't actually a lock.
[10:10.040 --> 10:11.260]  It's like those cabinet locks.
[10:11.260 --> 10:11.840]  I can't pick this lock.
[10:11.940 --> 10:12.940]  Have you tried pressing on it?
[10:12.940 --> 10:13.340]  The filing cabinets.
[10:13.520 --> 10:14.180]  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[10:14.260 --> 10:15.900]  You have to push them in and turn.
[10:16.600 --> 10:17.000]  Somebody...
[10:17.000 --> 10:19.440]  Who follows the Twitter account Batman Labels?
[10:19.620 --> 10:20.320]  Has anyone heard of this?
[10:20.500 --> 10:21.880]  I feel like I should.
[10:22.300 --> 10:23.000]  More people should.
[10:23.220 --> 10:27.520]  This is all screen grabs from the old Adam West Batman show that are just the...
[10:27.520 --> 10:30.160]  If you ever saw, they're just, like, criminal proceeds.
[10:30.420 --> 10:32.560]  They're, like, on a box just labeled criminal proceeds.
[10:33.140 --> 10:36.460]  It's, like, Joker's poison gas in, like, a giant tank.
[10:36.860 --> 10:38.660]  Like, there's nothing but those screen grabs.
[10:39.560 --> 10:40.960]  Bat fingerprint detector.
[10:41.460 --> 10:42.000]  Fingerprint, yeah.
[10:42.200 --> 10:43.060]  Bat detector, yeah.
[10:43.220 --> 10:43.800]  Bat-man detector.
[10:43.880 --> 10:44.440]  Bat crime computer.
[10:44.740 --> 10:46.520]  So, who wants to talk about this one?
[10:46.620 --> 10:49.120]  This was a shock to see the accuracy on this video game, right?
[10:50.300 --> 10:55.180]  Oh, is this the one that almost, I swear, I'm like, did Dave consult on this?
[10:55.500 --> 11:05.320]  Well, a lot of tool people think that some amateur lock picker, or at least a very avid devotee of locks and lock picking, was, like, in contact with the development team of this Watchmen game.
[11:05.700 --> 11:09.060]  If you've never seen footage from this, like, this is an element of the gameplay.
[11:09.840 --> 11:10.640]  3D cutaway.
[11:11.140 --> 11:12.860]  Somebody spent a lot of time on this.
[11:12.960 --> 11:13.620]  And you even...
[11:13.620 --> 11:15.760]  It kind of looks like there's wear on the pins.
[11:16.600 --> 11:17.200]  I don't know.
[11:17.200 --> 11:18.860]  Some of those pins are way too short.
[11:18.960 --> 11:19.300]  Like that.
[11:19.400 --> 11:20.320]  Like, that key pin.
[11:20.840 --> 11:22.580]  Yeah, that's a bit of a problem.
[11:22.820 --> 11:23.200]  But...
[11:23.200 --> 11:24.220]  We're nerdy hackers.
[11:24.300 --> 11:25.880]  We're gonna find some reason to not like it.
[11:25.940 --> 11:26.240]  I'm sure.
[11:26.700 --> 11:27.860]  Yeah, and, like...
[11:27.860 --> 11:29.680]  I'm sure we can find the locksmith who's done that.
[11:29.680 --> 11:32.780]  This guy's turning tool was, like, a looped around paperclip.
[11:32.800 --> 11:34.620]  I don't know how much torque...
[11:34.620 --> 11:35.880]  I've done that with a bobby pin.
[11:36.060 --> 11:36.280]  Yeah.
[11:36.740 --> 11:37.700]  I've done that with a paperclip.
[11:37.760 --> 11:38.980]  It's not perfect, but come on.
[11:39.080 --> 11:40.660]  Like, it's better than a lot of...
[11:40.660 --> 11:42.620]  Wasn't there, like, lock picking in Fallout or something?
[11:42.720 --> 11:43.320]  Does anybody know?
[11:43.480 --> 11:43.680]  Right?
[11:43.780 --> 11:44.280]  Was it better or worse than this?
[11:44.280 --> 11:47.540]  That's the one where they spin the bobby pin and use the screwdriver.
[11:47.860 --> 11:49.880]  And I'm like, what kind of lock are you picking, buddy?
[11:50.080 --> 11:52.160]  Because I don't know how that's gonna work.
[11:52.520 --> 12:00.300]  Well, speaking of tools made of bits of wire and improvised tools, this was a film from back in the 80s, a really funny, a good movie.
[12:00.520 --> 12:00.940]  Doug now.
[12:01.400 --> 12:01.480]  Yeah.
[12:01.920 --> 12:06.400]  This shows an actual improv snapper gun, which was very...
[12:06.400 --> 12:17.840]  Before you could just order snap guns from catalogs, a lot of locksmiths and even sometimes criminals and other people in the kind of shady underworld would make their own snap guns using basically bicycle spokes, right?
[12:18.260 --> 12:19.320]  And you still can.
[12:19.460 --> 12:26.500]  You can make this tool right now and it will kind of sort of work because we still have locks in the U.S. that it kind of sort of works on.
[12:26.620 --> 12:28.020]  It'll work about as well as it ever did.
[12:32.770 --> 12:33.990]  Nice use of a turning tool.
[12:36.590 --> 12:38.710]  Nice use of his mouth to hold his extra tools.
[12:44.400 --> 12:45.380]  Like I said, duck.
[12:52.200 --> 12:52.600]  Yeah.
[12:53.660 --> 12:56.960]  So there's a later scene where Preston also says...
[12:56.960 --> 13:05.080]  He uses the same tool later to get into a building and he says it's a great example of the pick the lock, then look both ways before you like enter the room kind of trope.
[13:05.380 --> 13:06.460]  But again, like...
[13:06.460 --> 13:07.940]  Don't look out before you do it.
[13:08.420 --> 13:08.620]  Right.
[13:09.080 --> 13:12.280]  Do something that makes it obvious that you're breaking in, then make sure the coast is clear.
[13:12.580 --> 13:21.200]  But it's really... it makes us kind of smile and maybe you see this in elements of like hacker shows when somebody has done enough research to get an obscured...
[13:21.200 --> 13:24.140]  Even if it's an odd little thing, like that's not a fancy tool, right?
[13:24.420 --> 13:27.840]  But the fact that they got it right, the fact that it was legit, makes it that much better.
[13:28.480 --> 13:33.200]  And at some point, we're even going to show you a clip from Mr. Robot, but how often do people praise Mr. Robot?
[13:33.340 --> 13:40.760]  Because even the small stuff, the throwaway details on the show, they're like Easter eggs for all of us because somebody cared enough to...
[13:41.340 --> 13:48.240]  Again, you don't have to cost a lot of time and energy in the props department, but you can amp up the reward really big for the audience when you want to.
[13:48.600 --> 13:57.080]  In fact, it'll probably cost you less than the props department because real tools don't blink quite as much as most Hollywood tools.
[13:58.900 --> 13:59.300]  Anybody...
[13:59.300 --> 14:00.420]  Lockpicks need fewer batteries?
[14:00.840 --> 14:01.360]  Is that what you're saying?
[14:01.440 --> 14:01.520]  Yeah.
[14:02.260 --> 14:04.660]  Anybody a fan of the great Nathan Fillion?
[14:05.040 --> 14:05.220]  Yeah.
[14:06.180 --> 14:08.500]  Probably for shows that are way better than this show.
[14:08.640 --> 14:09.460]  Anybody watch Firefly?
[14:09.820 --> 14:10.220]  Firefly!
[14:10.460 --> 14:11.000]  There we go.
[14:11.180 --> 14:11.580]  All right.
[14:12.420 --> 14:15.220]  Anybody watch that show Drive or something when it was on for three episodes?
[14:16.000 --> 14:17.900]  Yeah, they freaking canceled the mid-season.
[14:17.900 --> 14:22.600]  Any of my theater freaky freaky's in the room who like the Much Ado About Nothing that Josh Whedon did?
[14:22.960 --> 14:24.020]  Yes, there we are.
[14:24.180 --> 14:24.480]  All right.
[14:24.940 --> 14:26.100]  How about Dr. Horrible's Singalong Blog?
[14:26.300 --> 14:26.900]  There we go.
[14:27.220 --> 14:27.720]  All right.
[14:28.660 --> 14:31.100]  Well, one of his lesser, you know, efforts was Castle.
[14:32.200 --> 14:42.140]  And this is, again, like, you have this sort of genre of this idea in a lot of TV and film of the dumb character who needs everything explained to him all the time, which takes the place of the audience.
[14:42.180 --> 14:43.580]  Hence, like, Buck Rogers.
[14:44.720 --> 14:48.540]  Archaic Stone Age man in the 23rd century, but, you know, you get everything fed to you.
[14:48.740 --> 14:50.700]  Well, that show is notable for this.
[14:50.780 --> 14:55.720]  Castle is this detective show where somebody on screen is always explaining everything for no reason.
[14:55.880 --> 14:59.220]  And even in this scene with picking, his daughter feeds it to the audience.
[14:59.500 --> 15:00.380]  Because, you know...
[15:00.380 --> 15:02.260]  One muggy pen is the torsion wrench.
[15:02.500 --> 15:03.740]  The other is the lockpick.
[15:04.320 --> 15:06.780]  Just need to be careful not to apply too much pressure.
[15:07.520 --> 15:08.760]  Did you just break the handpin?
[15:08.940 --> 15:10.020]  Because that's the last one.
[15:10.840 --> 15:11.240]  No.
[15:11.880 --> 15:12.640]  I got it.
[15:12.980 --> 15:13.740]  Oh, my God.
[15:14.900 --> 15:16.280]  It's all right, you know.
[15:17.100 --> 15:19.100]  Always carry a spare in your wallet.
[15:19.360 --> 15:21.740]  Yeah, carry spare hairpins in your hair.
[15:22.360 --> 15:23.620]  Who carries, like...
[15:23.620 --> 15:25.680]  First of all, who carries lockpicks on them in general all the time?
[15:26.480 --> 15:26.880]  Really?
[15:27.000 --> 15:27.460]  That's not a lot of hands.
[15:27.460 --> 15:29.200]  Can we count how many sets everybody carries?
[15:29.460 --> 15:29.700]  Yeah.
[15:29.880 --> 15:31.380]  Who carries more than one set, though?
[15:31.540 --> 15:32.120]  Because, like...
[15:32.120 --> 15:32.840]  Yeah, absolutely.
[15:33.560 --> 15:33.840]  Yeah.
[15:34.100 --> 15:34.820]  I've got the main set.
[15:34.820 --> 15:35.720]  But I want to see more hands in the audience.
[15:36.160 --> 15:36.520]  Exactly.
[15:36.780 --> 15:39.400]  You've got to get some of the new tools or make your own.
[15:39.560 --> 15:41.040]  Take regular tools, chop them down.
[15:41.040 --> 15:42.900]  We'll talk to you all about that later.
[15:43.540 --> 15:44.020]  But the idea...
[15:44.020 --> 15:48.460]  Again, they showed actually using a turning tool and an improvised pick.
[15:48.460 --> 15:49.960]  They showed the turning of the plug.
[15:50.320 --> 15:52.180]  So we gave that one some pretty good props, right?
[15:52.300 --> 15:53.280]  That was pretty nice.
[15:53.520 --> 15:54.560]  That's a solid scene for that.
[15:54.840 --> 15:55.000]  Yeah.
[15:55.560 --> 15:58.480]  The one that a lot of people remember growing up with, though.
[15:58.660 --> 16:05.540]  Like, the classic movie that a lot of people go to for, like, showing lockpicking and showing intensity of it and the realism.
[16:06.080 --> 16:09.740]  Linda Hamilton, as an actress, she was remarkable in this role.
[16:10.420 --> 16:12.820]  Her acting skills, where she really threw herself in.
[16:12.940 --> 16:13.760]  She did a lot of training.
[16:13.920 --> 16:14.940]  She did firearms training.
[16:15.160 --> 16:16.800]  She wanted to do all the gun handling.
[16:17.040 --> 16:18.720]  She really wanted to do everything on set.
[16:18.840 --> 16:19.600]  And a lot of people...
[16:19.600 --> 16:25.160]  I didn't even know this until you guys told me in the research for this, that she wanted to do all the lockpicking legit.
[16:25.440 --> 16:30.120]  Like, Cameron was going to give her just time to get it right and just keep trying and keep trying.
[16:30.120 --> 16:33.620]  And so when you see her struggling on set, she's really...
[16:34.180 --> 16:39.160]  This is her legit trying to get out of restraints and trying to pick a door with, you know, things she had.
[16:39.380 --> 16:39.660]  Yeah.
[16:39.940 --> 16:44.360]  I think it was Night Owl or Preston that had that piece of information.
[16:44.580 --> 16:45.320]  But they do...
[16:45.320 --> 16:50.200]  Yeah, this was Linda Hamilton actually did all of this.
[16:50.380 --> 16:56.460]  She insisted that they put her in real restraints and that she attempt to get out of them using skills that she picked up.
[16:57.440 --> 17:00.360]  And this next bit, I think...
[17:00.360 --> 17:07.120]  Yes, this bit right here was originally supposed to be a throwaway take that was going to cost them, like, nothing.
[17:07.360 --> 17:11.740]  And she insisted that they give her the chance to actually do it on screen.
[17:12.680 --> 17:20.260]  I believe she did actually manage to get it open, but they stopped the take before she got the bolt.
[17:20.260 --> 17:20.900]  Yeah.
[17:21.260 --> 17:22.540]  What I thought was really good...
[17:22.540 --> 17:24.680]  The way they cut it, still, it looks great.
[17:24.900 --> 17:26.340]  It's easy to miss, but...
[17:27.040 --> 17:32.520]  She actually takes the paper clip and bends the tip of it in the edge of the buckle.
[17:33.240 --> 17:35.820]  Like, she's not just unbending it and sticking it in there.
[17:36.220 --> 17:37.900]  She's actually a fascist, so there it is.
[17:38.040 --> 17:42.560]  She grips the paper clip in the end there to bend the tip and then uses it.
[17:42.760 --> 17:45.900]  Which is exactly what you would have to do if you wanted to pick open...
[17:45.900 --> 17:47.500]  I have, in fact, done this myself.
[17:47.740 --> 17:47.860]  Right.
[17:48.900 --> 17:49.480]  All the time on handcuffs.
[17:49.480 --> 17:50.900]  In, like, a facility of state care?
[17:51.400 --> 17:51.760]  Seriously.
[17:52.000 --> 17:52.220]  No.
[17:52.360 --> 17:57.340]  If you ever have a pair of Smith & Wesson handcuffs, there's that nice little groove...
[17:57.340 --> 17:57.920]  Or peerless.
[17:58.140 --> 17:58.380]  Mm-hmm.
[17:58.500 --> 17:59.000]  Peerless, too.
[17:59.000 --> 17:59.740]  Oh, yeah, the groove on the bow.
[17:59.740 --> 18:05.380]  But that nice little groove on the pole is a great place to make an improvised tool.
[18:05.840 --> 18:06.040]  Mm-hmm.
[18:06.320 --> 18:09.040]  Who here has ever picked their way out of handcuffs or escaped restraints?
[18:09.260 --> 18:09.420]  Yeah.
[18:09.980 --> 18:10.560]  Okay, good.
[18:10.560 --> 18:11.400]  Good hands here.
[18:11.580 --> 18:12.700]  We want some more of those hands.
[18:13.440 --> 18:16.400]  Some of you in the back that aren't raising your hands, come downstairs later.
[18:16.600 --> 18:17.360]  We'll help you out with that.
[18:18.480 --> 18:18.800]  Right.
[18:20.320 --> 18:20.720]  So...
[18:20.720 --> 18:21.980]  All right, who watches Mr. Robot?
[18:22.360 --> 18:22.760]  Right?
[18:23.120 --> 18:23.520]  Yeah!
[18:23.760 --> 18:24.260]  There we go.
[18:25.060 --> 18:27.700]  Now, what are some of the things that we love to mention about this scene?
[18:29.380 --> 18:30.780]  Oh, there's a lot of...
[18:30.780 --> 18:31.500]  Right?
[18:31.500 --> 18:32.480]  Is this the second season?
[18:32.720 --> 18:33.300]  This is...
[18:33.300 --> 18:34.400]  Yeah, so here, let's do...
[18:34.400 --> 18:35.360]  Let's go ahead and show it, right?
[18:39.730 --> 18:40.120]  Um...
[18:40.120 --> 18:42.490]  See, you can look at that round before, not after.
[18:43.300 --> 18:44.580]  Make sure the coast is clear.
[18:45.040 --> 18:46.080]  Gets his tools out.
[18:46.340 --> 18:47.080]  Opens the door.
[18:47.080 --> 18:47.730]  Across the road.
[18:48.790 --> 18:51.680]  Now, you couldn't see everything, because they were trying to keep the pace up, right?
[18:52.370 --> 18:55.860]  But something that Preston mentioned in an email to me, and we have to...
[18:55.860 --> 19:00.620]  We'll thank him again, but Preston was really instrumental, along with the two fellas on the end there, of putting all this together.
[19:01.530 --> 19:06.180]  Props goes to Skylar, as well, for starting the spreadsheet that we then took to get a lot of these clips.
[19:06.400 --> 19:12.420]  Yeah, there's a pretty sizable sheet now of just any lockpicking featured in media that people just comment on in the tool community.
[19:12.420 --> 19:15.660]  It's funny, but Preston pointed out what happens when he gets to the other side of the door.
[19:17.040 --> 19:18.200]  Does anyone remember the scene?
[19:18.420 --> 19:19.180]  I don't remember the scene.
[19:19.900 --> 19:20.250]  No?
[19:20.560 --> 19:20.730]  Come on.
[19:20.860 --> 19:22.140]  He's not where he wanted to be.
[19:22.270 --> 19:23.290]  He's in the wrong stairwell.
[19:23.420 --> 19:31.560]  Which is very realistic, because even if you pick a door open, on how many jobs have we picked stuff open and been like, well, shit, this doesn't do us any good.
[19:32.030 --> 19:34.340]  Like, glad I spent four minutes on that.
[19:34.530 --> 19:36.030]  We're now in a lower security area.
[19:36.560 --> 19:37.660]  We've let ourselves out.
[19:37.900 --> 19:39.490]  Yeah, we've let ourselves out of the building.
[19:39.620 --> 19:39.860]  Awesome.
[19:40.140 --> 19:40.640]  That helps.
[19:41.130 --> 19:44.080]  Usually it's because you're the one who's like, here, let's go this way.
[19:44.160 --> 19:45.420]  I'm like, wait, but...
[19:45.420 --> 19:45.990]  You're like, no, no.
[19:46.010 --> 19:46.490]  No, no, no, no.
[19:46.540 --> 19:46.920]  This is good.
[19:47.010 --> 19:47.360]  This is good.
[19:47.490 --> 19:47.680]  Follow me.
[19:47.730 --> 19:51.820]  Yeah, I cowboy it a lot, pretty much, on all the pen test jobs, but that's my jam.
[19:52.430 --> 19:54.900]  I think this is the second time you've blamed Dee for something.
[19:55.350 --> 19:56.590]  I'm very blamable.
[19:57.590 --> 19:59.440]  If something goes wrong in a job, there are reasons for that.
[19:59.540 --> 20:00.230]  There are reasons, yeah.
[20:01.290 --> 20:03.010]  That one company was so mad at that.
[20:03.140 --> 20:04.010]  Never mind, we won't talk about that.
[20:04.880 --> 20:05.300]  Yeah.
[20:05.560 --> 20:10.490]  But now, something that Babak turned me on to, and then a lot of people have now seen this.
[20:11.300 --> 20:14.040]  Where did you originally encounter Saru Roku?
[20:14.320 --> 20:15.420]  It wasn't the manga, right?
[20:15.640 --> 20:15.770]  No, no.
[20:15.770 --> 20:17.700]  Like, you had heard of the films?
[20:17.700 --> 20:18.380]  No, no.
[20:19.120 --> 20:19.860]  I heard of this.
[20:20.380 --> 20:21.860]  It's a...
[20:21.860 --> 20:34.140]  The original story is actually a manga, a graphic novel, about this young locksmith that is the protagonist in the series, which was really fascinating.
[20:34.460 --> 20:38.100]  He's got like an HPC-style hook in the cover there.
[20:38.400 --> 20:47.100]  And, you know, obviously, like any other, you know, Japanese graphic novel storyline, there's a bunch of hijinks and things that happened, this and that.
[20:47.100 --> 20:56.120]  But it was so popular that they actually made a live-action series, and then film, based off of the manga.
[20:56.400 --> 21:00.010]  So, this is from...
[21:00.010 --> 21:01.420]  This would be 09, right?
[21:01.880 --> 21:06.400]  So this is the first opening clip of the first episode, basically, where he's a locksmith.
[21:06.580 --> 21:07.400]  Like, that's his job.
[21:07.540 --> 21:11.530]  But then, as Babak points out, like, crazy mayhem ensues with him and his friends.
[21:11.530 --> 21:11.620]  Right.
[21:12.480 --> 21:19.640]  And this is easily one of the most fascinatingly fun, not just because they show real tools and realistic action.
[21:19.790 --> 21:23.030]  It's one of the most accurate depictions of lockpicking in a show.
[21:23.270 --> 21:25.380]  And it shows really f*cking good filmmaking.
[21:25.860 --> 21:26.700]  Like, innovative...
[21:26.700 --> 21:28.820]  You know how we talked about it's hard to show the lock?
[21:28.990 --> 21:29.580]  Like, what are you going to see?
[21:29.620 --> 21:30.440]  The inside of the lock?
[21:30.440 --> 21:32.700]  They really think about...
[21:32.700 --> 21:36.100]  Whoever their DP was, like, really was like, Hey, let's set up the camera this way.
[21:36.270 --> 21:37.060]  What if we did this?
[21:37.230 --> 21:38.640]  Like, check this, check this out.
[21:45.040 --> 21:47.960]  We tried to get the subtitles, apparently they didn't transfer over.
[21:52.260 --> 21:53.060]  I wonder...
[22:06.110 --> 22:07.080]  Actually, let's see here.
[22:07.120 --> 22:07.760]  Do I have subtitles?
[22:10.620 --> 22:10.940]  Nope.
[22:11.340 --> 22:13.940]  So the idea of showing, like, through the keyway is kind of neat.
[22:14.060 --> 22:17.260]  You'll see in this next scene, uh, later on in the show, someone...
[22:17.260 --> 22:19.340]  A friend of his is, like, compromised by...
[22:19.340 --> 22:19.960]  He gets a text.
[22:20.140 --> 22:22.220]  She thinks she's got something slipped in her drink in a bar.
[22:22.780 --> 22:25.440]  And he's like, Oh my gosh, you know, what happened to her?
[22:25.500 --> 22:26.340]  He leaves what he's doing.
[22:26.520 --> 22:29.780]  He wants to go find, like, Who is this guy that might be taking advantage of my friend?
[22:29.940 --> 22:31.140]  And of course, so he's a locksmith.
[22:31.380 --> 22:32.840]  He's gonna try to save the day.
[22:33.000 --> 22:36.580]  But the whole show is, like, he never quite saves the day in the heroic way.
[22:36.660 --> 22:37.540]  He's always kind of...
[22:37.540 --> 22:38.060]  He never...
[22:38.060 --> 22:39.080]  He never gets the recognition.
[22:39.320 --> 22:39.880]  He's a little inept.
[22:40.120 --> 22:40.800]  He's a little inept.
[22:41.060 --> 22:42.400]  But he does open the locks.
[22:42.580 --> 22:48.960]  And again, the way they show it is not just advancing the action, but really showing you mechanisms and fun details.
[22:54.980 --> 22:56.100]  You know, they got the right music.
[22:59.620 --> 23:01.020]  Even the key way turning.
[23:05.890 --> 23:07.430]  He didn't forget it through.
[23:11.200 --> 23:13.040]  So the bedroom where she's...
[23:13.040 --> 23:15.140]  He thinks she's being, like, taken advantage of.
[23:15.820 --> 23:23.960]  There's a number of plot points throughout the various storylines that they write that involve him going through, like, progressively harder and harder and harder locks.
[23:30.290 --> 23:31.370]  And his girl...
[23:31.370 --> 23:31.810]  He's like...
[23:31.810 --> 23:34.110]  The girl he knows, his best friend, she's, like, the super badass, though.
[23:34.330 --> 23:34.430]  So...
[23:34.430 --> 23:38.230]  She just, you know, punches the guy in the face repeatedly and tells him, like...
[23:39.030 --> 23:39.890]  It tells him off.
[23:41.010 --> 23:42.150]  But, like, we love...
[23:42.150 --> 23:42.370]  That's...
[23:42.370 --> 23:43.490]  I think that was wonderful.
[23:43.750 --> 23:44.710]  The idea of showing...
[23:44.710 --> 23:48.430]  Like, you saw the key way actually turn with that mask they had put over the camera.
[23:48.950 --> 23:50.170]  And it's really fun.
[23:50.270 --> 23:51.470]  If you want to include...
[23:52.290 --> 24:01.410]  fun details, it's not hard to really show your audience and to show your viewers really innovative details and really cool, like, tiny little...
[24:01.410 --> 24:03.850]  Just tiny little points that make people be like, Oh, shit!
[24:04.130 --> 24:06.310]  Like, I love that the props department did that.
[24:06.390 --> 24:11.830]  I love that the authors of this piece didn't just want to make him a locksmith for the point of showing his, like...
[24:11.830 --> 24:12.950]  Oh, it's like any hacker, right?
[24:13.130 --> 24:15.110]  The hacker's, like, kind of weird, but competent.
[24:15.410 --> 24:19.750]  But, like, it's a very two-dimensional character in most hacker, like, supporting roles.
[24:20.030 --> 24:24.570]  This is a very fleshed-out person, and the tech details they wanted to show were really, really neat.
[24:25.490 --> 24:26.590]  Anybody else on...
[24:26.590 --> 24:28.510]  Have you guys watched any of the series besides Bobby?
[24:29.150 --> 24:30.670]  I have not had a chance to yet.
[24:30.710 --> 24:31.830]  I unfortunately have not.
[24:31.990 --> 24:33.110]  Who here would watch the series?
[24:34.030 --> 24:34.930]  Well, I think you've got them all.
[24:35.050 --> 24:36.230]  We can put them on a flash drive or something.
[24:36.410 --> 24:37.030]  It's not a...
[24:37.030 --> 24:38.410]  You can trust the flash drive.
[24:38.550 --> 24:39.790]  We'll hand you right now from stage.
[24:40.390 --> 24:46.090]  It's not a super great storyline, but it's the kind of thing you can put on the background and get actual work done.
[24:47.510 --> 24:48.930]  Yeah, so those were just...
[24:48.930 --> 24:50.010]  Those were certain examples.
[24:51.190 --> 24:57.750]  Again, we were made aware, because we, you know, you can only rant about so much stuff, that, oh, this was wrong in the film.
[24:57.850 --> 25:03.390]  If only they had called up, because, you know, TOOOL, we're always like, you could contact us with any lock-picking questions.
[25:03.610 --> 25:05.710]  We'd love to provide knowledge and wisdom.
[25:06.230 --> 25:13.530]  Remember, as filmmakers have tried to, like, tell us, like, stuff like this is decided long before any suggestions that we might have could be useful.
[25:14.150 --> 25:23.710]  It's nice if the props department could try to gimmick something up, but, like, if it's not on the shot list, like, there's no way that somebody in the props department can make that into, you know, into production.
[25:24.550 --> 25:28.230]  So we understand there's challenges in making things realistic in film.
[25:28.730 --> 25:30.810]  It's really, like, that's happening at the script level.
[25:30.830 --> 25:35.670]  Unless somebody who's the filmmaker wants this to be in, these kind of details will never show up.
[25:35.970 --> 25:38.990]  But just follow, you know, follow the rule of write what you know.
[25:39.150 --> 25:44.570]  If you do any film work, if you do any kind of artistic, you know, production pieces, write about what you know.
[25:44.810 --> 25:54.790]  And if you're interested enough in lockpicking or hacking or anything else, any subculture, there's always fanatical people out there that will answer your emails and ask questions about what you don't know.
[25:54.910 --> 25:58.170]  You may be able to actually include some really cool details.
[25:59.170 --> 26:00.790]  Am I missing anything on those key points?
[26:00.890 --> 26:01.270]  What do you think?
[26:01.330 --> 26:02.690]  Is there anything else you would give advice to?
[26:02.770 --> 26:07.170]  Because how many people, like, know the artist community and have ever been involved in film production of any kind?
[26:07.330 --> 26:08.310]  Like, this is New York.
[26:08.310 --> 26:12.070]  A lot of you may have been an extra in somebody's B-movie that never went anywhere, right?
[26:13.610 --> 26:18.030]  It's really, just like everything else, it's a time and resources trade-off.
[26:18.190 --> 26:21.690]  So if that is central to the plot, then they may spend more time on it.
[26:21.750 --> 26:30.830]  If not, they're going to do what they know, and it's really not worth the time in some cases to send somebody to go figure out who to write a letter to.
[26:31.030 --> 26:35.470]  So if you know somebody in that area, then maybe you just, like, introduce them to it.
[26:36.130 --> 26:37.770]  This is what a lockpick is.
[26:37.890 --> 26:40.690]  This is, you know, how it's done for the basic stuff.
[26:40.910 --> 26:43.490]  And then maybe they'll think about that for their next script.
[26:44.150 --> 26:44.510]  Yeah.
[26:45.390 --> 26:52.850]  So as with most of our talks about locks and lock material, the main thing, like, who was here yesterday when we did the road show and people were coming up?
[26:52.970 --> 26:53.110]  Right.
[26:53.210 --> 26:53.950]  Who had fun with that?
[26:54.370 --> 26:54.770]  Woo!
[26:55.130 --> 26:56.290]  So we want to...
[26:56.290 --> 26:58.190]  This is not nearly an exhaustive list.
[26:58.190 --> 27:06.510]  We want to show a clip on Bobbik's machine, and then anybody who has really good thoughts about lockpicking they have seen on film or screen or anything.
[27:06.690 --> 27:07.970]  We want to hear from you with the microphone.
[27:08.510 --> 27:09.270]  We want to hear...
[27:09.270 --> 27:11.650]  And probably other people will recognize what you're talking about.
[27:11.770 --> 27:13.530]  Ask us about other bits of lockpicking you've seen.
[27:13.630 --> 27:18.070]  Ask us about tools you may have seen in any films that you don't know if they were real or not.
[27:18.230 --> 27:20.790]  So we want to know what you've seen and what you want to know more about.
[27:21.210 --> 27:22.930]  But you have another Sauru lock coming up?
[27:23.570 --> 27:24.010]  Yeah.
[27:24.490 --> 27:26.050]  And some stuff from video games.
[27:26.470 --> 27:26.530]  Oh sweet.
[27:26.530 --> 27:33.310]  So while you're setting that up, one of Preston's favorite scenes actually is Robert Downey Jr. in the movie U.S.
[27:33.490 --> 27:35.310]  Marshalls where he's in the handcuffs.
[27:35.330 --> 27:35.790]  Oh yeah, yeah.
[27:35.790 --> 27:41.870]  And he grabs the sunglasses off the guy who plays Cypher from The Matrix, I think.
[27:42.330 --> 27:43.010]  Yeah, that's right.
[27:43.030 --> 27:43.310]  And he just like...
[27:43.310 --> 27:44.950]  He just f*cking like breaks them.
[27:45.070 --> 27:48.730]  And then all of a sudden turns around and does something and shoves the...
[27:49.410 --> 27:50.570]  He shoves the handcuffs.
[27:50.570 --> 27:54.370]  He grabs the stems of the sunglasses into the handcuffs to shim them and open them.
[27:54.790 --> 27:55.550]  I believe.
[27:56.070 --> 27:56.130]  Yeah.
[27:56.390 --> 28:01.290]  And it's one of those scenes where it's like that could work if it was thin enough.
[28:01.450 --> 28:06.330]  And it was really cool the way just they choreographed that.
[28:06.770 --> 28:07.630]  It does work.
[28:07.770 --> 28:09.310]  It's just very particular in the glasses.
[28:09.770 --> 28:09.870]  Right.
[28:10.750 --> 28:12.150]  Sean, Dark Sim has done it before.
[28:12.230 --> 28:12.930]  Ray, you've done it before?
[28:13.090 --> 28:13.610]  Yeah, I have.
[28:14.090 --> 28:14.490]  Yeah.
[28:15.670 --> 28:16.110]  Oops.
[28:16.530 --> 28:17.050]  Is there a microphone?
[28:17.190 --> 28:17.430]  There you go.
[28:17.430 --> 28:17.690]  Yeah.
[28:17.790 --> 28:25.350]  Actually, a company in Germany for film like Miss Buster style asked me to verify that very scene for them.
[28:25.530 --> 28:25.990]  Oh, really?
[28:26.290 --> 28:30.390]  Yeah, and we did it with Hyatt Thompson handcuffs and actual sunglasses.
[28:30.890 --> 28:31.190]  Oh, wow.
[28:31.190 --> 28:32.030]  And it perfectly worked.
[28:32.210 --> 28:35.510]  And we did exactly what you mentioned, bending the tool in the handcuff.
[28:35.850 --> 28:36.150]  There you go.
[28:36.150 --> 28:39.390]  Okay, so you actually manipulated the paw instead of shimming.
[28:39.610 --> 28:46.230]  Yeah, because in the film also there's a scene where the main actor frees himself and he picks through the lock.
[28:46.730 --> 28:47.470]  Yes, yes.
[28:47.470 --> 28:50.810]  Both Wesley Snipes and Robert Downey Jr. use that trick.
[28:51.070 --> 28:51.510]  Yeah, Wesley Snipes does it through the lock.
[28:51.510 --> 28:52.550]  It's actually a bit of a plot point.
[28:52.550 --> 28:55.010]  So you take the glasses, bend them in the lock of the handcuffs and pick it.
[28:55.070 --> 28:55.650]  It really works.
[28:55.870 --> 28:56.390]  That's awesome.
[28:56.510 --> 28:57.030]  Very cool.
[28:57.250 --> 29:00.030]  It also shows up in the TV show Burn Notice.
[29:00.470 --> 29:01.150]  Oh, that's right.
[29:01.150 --> 29:07.870]  Less plausibly, he then tries to use another piece of the sunglasses to pick a pin tumbler lock, but...
[29:07.870 --> 29:09.550]  Oh, yeah, yeah.
[29:09.830 --> 29:11.970]  You're just a guy with some busted sunglasses.
[29:12.230 --> 29:13.330]  No one will suspect anything.
[29:13.690 --> 29:14.130]  I'm Michael Westen.
[29:14.130 --> 29:16.830]  Except you're standing in a place you shouldn't be, shoving shit in locks.
[29:17.170 --> 29:17.430]  Thank you.
[29:17.950 --> 29:19.090]  I'm Michael Westen with all the skills in the world.
[29:19.090 --> 29:21.290]  We're going to just flip through a couple of various clips here.
[29:21.370 --> 29:27.730]  The first one is from a video game that I never really played a whole lot of, but Skyrim?
[29:27.950 --> 29:28.770]  Anyone play Skyrim?
[29:28.890 --> 29:29.670]  There we go.
[29:29.830 --> 29:30.410]  Oh, damn it.
[29:30.410 --> 29:32.530]  So, this guy's narrating...
[29:32.530 --> 29:34.790]  It's just a YouTube clip that I grabbed, but...
[29:36.170 --> 29:38.970]  You can listen to this guy try to play and pick this lock.
[29:38.970 --> 29:41.810]  As you move your lockpick, and that's not what we're looking for.
[29:42.010 --> 29:43.610]  So, you're just going to want to start slowly moving your lockpick.
[29:43.610 --> 29:47.210]  It's almost like reverse picking, because he's moving what looks like a turning tool, possibly.
[29:47.430 --> 29:47.930]  And I'll be quiet.
[29:48.550 --> 29:48.990]  And...
[29:49.490 --> 29:52.330]  Well, more importantly, he's doing this to a lever lock.
[29:53.230 --> 29:56.290]  His jailhouse shiv is acting as the turning tool.
[29:56.650 --> 29:57.030]  Okay.
[29:57.190 --> 29:58.610]  Didn't find anything the first time.
[29:58.710 --> 29:59.290]  Let's try again.
[30:00.090 --> 30:08.330]  So, apparently, in this game, the way it works is you have an analog stick of some kind, and you have to, like, move the pixel into a certain area.
[30:08.330 --> 30:11.390]  And when you feel, like, it vibrating, then you, like, hold it there.
[30:11.530 --> 30:15.570]  And if you didn't do it too fast, and the pick doesn't break or something, then the lock opens.
[30:15.950 --> 30:19.730]  It's not entirely dissimilar from Fallout, I believe.
[30:19.890 --> 30:20.450]  Right there.
[30:20.610 --> 30:21.510]  Did you guys hear that?
[30:22.230 --> 30:22.590]  No.
[30:22.590 --> 30:22.810]  No.
[30:22.970 --> 30:24.630]  We heard heavy breathing, because it's a YouTube.
[30:24.670 --> 30:25.230]  No one heard it.
[30:25.370 --> 30:25.970]  Play it again.
[30:26.530 --> 30:35.030]  So, then there is... we'll flip to the opening scene that you folks saw earlier, but without subtitles.
[30:35.290 --> 30:35.930]  So, this will have subtitles.
[30:35.930 --> 30:37.350]  Oh, so you can see what actually happens, yeah.
[30:38.590 --> 30:40.030]  They can't read it.
[30:40.330 --> 30:41.930]  It's way too low.
[30:41.930 --> 30:42.170]  Nope.
[30:42.450 --> 30:42.530]  Hold on.
[30:43.210 --> 30:43.910]  We can fix this.
[30:44.050 --> 30:45.450]  Are you just gonna bring your screen up?
[30:45.570 --> 30:45.910]  There you go.
[30:46.070 --> 30:46.490]  There we go.
[30:46.590 --> 30:47.690]  Can everyone see the subtitles?
[30:47.750 --> 30:48.170]  There you go.
[30:48.350 --> 30:48.970]  Move it up a little bit.
[30:49.050 --> 30:49.370]  Hold on.
[30:49.950 --> 30:50.290]  How's that?
[30:50.850 --> 30:51.130]  Yay!
[30:51.790 --> 30:52.270]  Hold on.
[30:52.870 --> 30:53.690]  Thank you very much.
[30:53.750 --> 30:53.950]  Yep.
[31:12.050 --> 31:17.750]  So, the funny part here is that she hired him to come over and, you know, she's so silly.
[31:17.850 --> 31:18.910]  She locked her keys out.
[31:19.190 --> 31:20.270]  You know, she needs to get in.
[31:20.350 --> 31:21.490]  Oh, you know, she's so thankful.
[31:21.490 --> 31:22.250]  How's that?
[31:22.730 --> 31:23.230]  Yeah.
[31:23.710 --> 31:24.370]  Well, this will get an issue here.
[31:28.250 --> 31:28.870]  Hey!
[31:29.190 --> 31:29.470]  You self-re hoping!
[31:32.720 --> 31:35.640]  Help me, you want me to study all.
[31:35.720 --> 31:39.120]  It has to just don't sound as many things, too.
[31:39.520 --> 31:40.780]  It'll be such a mystery to me.
[31:40.780 --> 31:41.260]  If someone has been made to you, it will be such a new job before.
[31:41.660 --> 31:42.820]  But we've now gone.
[31:43.120 --> 31:43.620]  We've now gone.
[31:44.570 --> 31:44.880]  Hey!
[31:45.540 --> 31:47.040]  What are you bringing in to the terminal?
[31:47.280 --> 31:48.840]  Holy conventud.
[31:49.900 --> 31:50.860]  What are you taking the dollars?
[31:51.200 --> 31:51.660]  I don't know what to do.
[31:51.660 --> 31:52.120]  Our money is!
[31:53.820 --> 32:00.500]  So, like, when someone... just remember, when someone comes up to you, it's like, oh, hey, can you help me into my locked apartment?
[32:00.900 --> 32:03.900]  You know, you could be walking into something like this.
[32:04.340 --> 32:04.480]  Yeah.
[32:06.140 --> 32:06.440]  Duck.
[32:07.320 --> 32:07.960]  Always duck.
[32:08.600 --> 32:15.280]  So we have at least one person at the mic, which, by the way, asking a question, good or bad, as long as it's brief enough, does entitle you to whiskey.
[32:15.480 --> 32:17.440]  So we should see more people with movie questions.
[32:17.720 --> 32:18.600]  What is yours, sir?
[32:18.700 --> 32:19.320]  Lead it off.
[32:19.400 --> 32:19.700]  Rock it.
[32:19.700 --> 32:31.560]  So it's not actually a lockpicking scene, but there's a half-season-long arc in Prison Break where he has to make an Allen wrench out of a screw that he pulls out of a bench.
[32:31.700 --> 32:40.380]  And it's just, like, a really interesting example of, like, making an improvised tool to open a secured period.
[32:40.380 --> 32:40.840]  That's right.
[32:41.060 --> 32:42.620]  I remember this first season of Prison Break.
[32:42.700 --> 32:43.540]  Did you watch Prison Break?
[32:43.700 --> 32:44.720]  Was that why I saw some of it?
[32:44.720 --> 32:46.360]  I did, but then I stopped.
[32:46.800 --> 32:49.200]  Just, like, it's too many shows.
[32:49.340 --> 32:51.880]  I can't live my whole life watching series after series.
[32:52.140 --> 32:52.400]  It is.
[32:52.520 --> 32:56.560]  Now, if you've never seen it, and somebody out there may... you guys know how to Google, right?
[32:56.900 --> 33:06.540]  There were a couple of activists, I want to say, in Argentina, who were imprisoned for pamphleting during, like, during the regime, the dictatorship down there.
[33:06.540 --> 33:18.160]  And their story of how they broke out of prison, over time, making keys out of wood, impressioning keys, copying keys, was documented and done in sort of one of those recreation documentaries.
[33:18.160 --> 33:19.980]  And it is f*cking incredible.
[33:20.600 --> 33:26.780]  The intent, the way they used a broom handle to reach outside their cell, and, like, could, just the linkage they made.
[33:26.940 --> 33:27.540]  It's amazing.
[33:27.660 --> 33:29.160]  If you can Google it, and you can find it.
[33:29.220 --> 33:29.880]  I know it's online.
[33:33.200 --> 33:34.080]  Yes, we have.
[33:34.720 --> 33:37.400]  We, I believe, have all heard that many times.
[33:37.680 --> 33:38.260]  Not for, yeah.
[33:38.320 --> 33:42.120]  One time I was interviewed for, like, a written article, and I wrote up this whole thing.
[33:42.340 --> 33:44.400]  And they were like, wow, that's way too scary.
[33:44.440 --> 33:45.100]  We're not gonna run that.
[33:45.240 --> 33:46.400]  I was like, thanks.
[33:46.620 --> 33:46.800]  Great.
[33:47.000 --> 33:47.340]  Good job.
[33:47.540 --> 33:47.900]  Thanks, boys.
[33:47.900 --> 33:54.720]  And once you point them to the tool website, you're pointing them to a manual on how to pick locks.
[33:55.000 --> 33:59.820]  So, if you mention that in any sort of article, you're basically pointing them to the instructions.
[34:00.080 --> 34:00.520]  Yeah.
[34:00.640 --> 34:01.620]  Even if you're not printing it.
[34:02.440 --> 34:09.500]  So, not strictly lockpicking, but a movie worth mentioning is the score for safe cracking.
[34:10.300 --> 34:11.620]  Well, safe busting, I should say.
[34:12.220 --> 34:13.900]  So, fantastic acting.
[34:13.900 --> 34:17.000]  So, that was De Niro and Brando in one of his last roles?
[34:17.280 --> 34:17.680]  Yeah, and Norton.
[34:18.020 --> 34:19.120]  And Norton, yeah.
[34:19.360 --> 34:19.480]  And Norton, yeah.
[34:19.480 --> 34:27.000]  So, John was referring to the score, and there is a safe busting scene, which, in fact, Mythbusters, I think, tried to replicate and showed you could.
[34:27.000 --> 34:36.620]  The idea of filling a safe with liquid, usually water they use in the movie, and then putting off an explosive charge to shockwave the doors off.
[34:36.780 --> 34:40.940]  With, ostensibly, like, if you had an air-filled safe and you just blew the...
[34:40.940 --> 34:42.820]  Like, you would destroy everything in the safe.
[34:43.180 --> 34:47.560]  But liquid, you know, would shockwave out and you wouldn't actually destroy all the contents.
[34:47.560 --> 34:51.260]  So, I think the plot point there was they were trying to recover some paper or something.
[34:52.140 --> 34:52.500]  So...
[34:52.500 --> 34:53.480]  No, it was a...
[34:53.480 --> 34:54.000]  I think it was...
[34:54.000 --> 34:54.900]  I thought it was a gold object.
[34:55.200 --> 34:55.360]  It was a staff, right?
[34:55.460 --> 34:57.480]  It was a staff that was hidden in the piano, like?
[34:57.600 --> 34:57.660]  Yeah.
[34:57.860 --> 35:00.300]  But speaking of safe opening, Bernie...
[35:00.300 --> 35:00.860]  I saw that a year ago.
[35:00.900 --> 35:01.740]  Bernie S.
[35:02.000 --> 35:04.260]  pointed me to an old James Caan movie, Thief.
[35:04.560 --> 35:10.020]  And we actually have, and if we get a little more time, we'll show a couple of clips from Thief, which was meticulously researched.
[35:10.900 --> 35:13.480]  Crazy safe opening, destructive safe opening.
[35:13.640 --> 35:16.520]  So, it's not quite in our wheelhouse, but very accurate.
[35:16.700 --> 35:17.080]  And if you want to...
[35:17.080 --> 35:19.460]  If we have a little bit of time later, we'll show you some of those clips that I cropped out.
[35:19.460 --> 35:21.840]  We're going to switch to one clip and then we're going to switch to a question again.
[35:21.960 --> 35:23.680]  How about you show that clip and then...
[35:23.680 --> 35:23.740]  After?
[35:24.200 --> 35:25.020]  Instead of me talking.
[35:25.040 --> 35:25.580]  Would you like to sit?
[35:25.740 --> 35:25.920]  Okay.
[35:26.720 --> 35:27.340]  Show the clip.
[35:27.520 --> 35:28.100]  Oh, show the clip?
[35:28.160 --> 35:28.620]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[35:28.940 --> 35:29.880]  We're going to flip back.
[35:30.000 --> 35:30.340]  There we go.
[35:30.480 --> 35:31.200]  Thank you very much, sir.
[35:31.900 --> 35:35.500]  And so, this is, again, another series I didn't really watch a lot of.
[35:36.440 --> 35:38.360]  And this is an episode of Bleach.
[35:38.360 --> 35:40.480]  Did anyone here ever watch Bleach?
[35:40.600 --> 35:40.820]  I don't know.
[35:40.860 --> 35:42.500]  I don't know if there's any anime people in here or not.
[35:42.820 --> 35:50.480]  But, what I particularly enjoyed about it is how they represented the process of deciding to make a lock.
[35:58.750 --> 36:01.730]  I wish that's what happened when I took out my lock tricks.
[36:22.770 --> 36:23.850]  So, that's it.
[36:23.970 --> 36:26.110]  I just really enjoyed, like, how...
[36:27.690 --> 36:31.530]  I can't easily rewind it to the frame that I wanted.
[36:31.530 --> 36:36.750]  But, just the whole process of this whirlwind and, you know, wah, I have this pick and I'm going to bend it.
[36:36.930 --> 36:40.030]  And then something not as exciting is going to happen.
[36:40.170 --> 36:42.210]  I mean, I thought that's what happened when you took out your lock picks.
[36:42.230 --> 36:42.370]  Yep.
[36:42.610 --> 36:43.290]  Just Bobic.
[36:43.870 --> 36:44.690]  Yeah, it's only him.
[36:45.890 --> 36:46.470]  Yes, sir.
[36:46.610 --> 36:46.910]  Go ahead.
[36:47.330 --> 36:47.690]  Sir.
[36:48.750 --> 36:49.110]  Whatever.
[36:49.110 --> 36:56.650]  So, one style of lock picking that is my particular pet peeve in movies, it's actually about mechanical locks.
[36:57.090 --> 37:01.150]  It's people punching and trying to pick, you know, combination locks.
[37:01.350 --> 37:01.490]  Electronic locks.
[37:01.490 --> 37:12.350]  The archetypal one being Matthew Broderick trying to break out of his jail cell where he's being detained in the base by recording the DTMF tones that are coming out of the touchpad.
[37:13.190 --> 37:15.810]  Which is, just, things don't work like that.
[37:15.810 --> 37:20.630]  A lot more easier if your locking system is controlled by a telephone.
[37:21.150 --> 37:22.350]  That would actually potentially work.
[37:22.650 --> 37:25.450]  So, there are systems that work that way.
[37:25.970 --> 37:26.770]  Like apartment buildings.
[37:26.990 --> 37:30.010]  Yeah, there are apartment buildings that work kind of similarly to that.
[37:30.210 --> 37:38.850]  And, although it's not exactly that, it does remind me of several hotel safes that I've seen where when you lock it, each button that you press makes a different tone.
[37:39.170 --> 37:45.410]  So, conceivably, if you're outside of someone's room when they lock their safe, you could listen in to what keys they're pressing.
[37:46.290 --> 37:49.670]  And, you know, just decode the pin that way.
[37:49.910 --> 37:59.970]  So, as silly as it sounds, the idea that a security device that uses a pin having different tones for each number is not unheard of.
[38:00.110 --> 38:02.490]  We've seen it a multitude of different times, absolutely.
[38:03.310 --> 38:05.590]  It's not entirely ludicrous, just a little bit.
[38:05.590 --> 38:12.090]  I'm familiar with the, in Parisian buildings especially, they have the, you know, the 3x4 touchpad.
[38:12.250 --> 38:14.030]  But it does not make DTMF tones.
[38:14.310 --> 38:14.750]  Just...
[38:14.750 --> 38:15.090]  Right.
[38:15.290 --> 38:16.590]  Just beep, beep, beep.
[38:16.910 --> 38:18.010]  Anyway, well, good to know.
[38:18.170 --> 38:18.330]  Thanks.
[38:18.630 --> 38:19.130]  Thank you.
[38:19.230 --> 38:19.370]  Have a whiskey.
[38:19.930 --> 38:20.330]  Thank you.
[38:20.550 --> 38:26.670]  And I wonder if anyone staying here has found the secret tubular lock that is the override lock on the in-room safes.
[38:26.670 --> 38:27.850]  Yeah, I don't want to drain the hole.
[38:27.910 --> 38:28.330]  It's there.
[38:28.750 --> 38:29.370]  You just, it's hidden.
[38:29.590 --> 38:30.370]  It's usually under a cap.
[38:30.530 --> 38:30.970]  Cups, cups, cups.
[38:31.190 --> 38:31.430]  Cups.
[38:31.890 --> 38:32.770]  Oh, you got it.
[38:33.730 --> 38:34.730]  It's usually under a cap.
[38:34.990 --> 38:36.270]  Yes, it's usually under a cap.
[38:36.470 --> 38:38.030]  It is under a cap on these safes.
[38:39.530 --> 38:40.650]  Don't f*ck with your in-room safe.
[38:42.990 --> 38:45.410]  No matter how ridiculously easy the tubular lock is to pick.
[38:45.410 --> 38:47.010]  It's also a vector combination.
[38:47.230 --> 38:47.850]  I'm sure.
[38:49.530 --> 38:51.210]  Just remember the first rule.
[38:52.570 --> 38:54.230]  Don't pick locks you don't own.
[38:54.830 --> 38:54.930]  Right.
[38:55.670 --> 38:58.110]  No, Babak and I own a lot of models of in-room safe now.
[39:00.430 --> 39:02.710]  They're not fun to travel with, let me tell you.
[39:04.450 --> 39:06.850]  Especially if you accidentally stay in somewhere that uses the same model.
[39:06.850 --> 39:10.170]  You try to check out of your hotel with a bunch of them on a bell cart, you get some strange looks.
[39:12.150 --> 39:12.710]  Yes, sir.
[39:12.830 --> 39:13.850]  We got another question.
[39:13.850 --> 39:15.390]  I actually have two questions if that's okay.
[39:15.550 --> 39:16.270]  One of them is pretty short.
[39:16.550 --> 39:16.570]  Please.
[39:16.570 --> 39:22.430]  So, is being a locksmith kind of like being a wizard where your skills are directly proportional to the amount of facial hair you have?
[39:34.280 --> 39:35.000]  Come on up.
[39:35.160 --> 39:35.640]  Take one.
[39:36.380 --> 39:40.360]  And if you're here at 11 in this same room, you can ask that question again.
[39:41.580 --> 39:42.180]  That's right.
[39:42.340 --> 39:42.420]  Yeah.
[39:42.540 --> 39:43.520]  Very, very bearded panel.
[39:43.620 --> 39:46.220]  Who's coming to the TSA Keys talk at 11 p.m.?
[39:46.220 --> 39:47.540]  Oh, you should all stay up for that.
[39:47.540 --> 39:48.060]  Come on, I want to hear some more.
[39:48.460 --> 39:49.060]  Try that again.
[39:49.060 --> 39:50.920]  Who's coming to TSA Keys at 11?
[39:51.320 --> 39:52.240]  There we go.
[39:52.440 --> 39:53.180]  That's more like it.
[39:53.360 --> 39:56.440]  So, I've actually used my beard to hold my lock picks when I need them.
[39:56.440 --> 39:56.760]  Oh, yes.
[39:56.940 --> 39:58.080]  I've got a couple too many.
[39:58.220 --> 40:00.480]  I can just stick a couple in there when I need them.
[40:00.640 --> 40:01.900]  You know, swap them out.
[40:04.220 --> 40:04.700]  All right.
[40:04.980 --> 40:05.840]  So, real question.
[40:05.960 --> 40:06.680]  Back to prison break.
[40:06.700 --> 40:08.640]  I like the first couple seasons of the show.
[40:08.640 --> 40:11.980]  And the thing that I remember, they had to make a copy of a key.
[40:12.140 --> 40:14.160]  And so, they caused a distraction on one of the guards.
[40:14.180 --> 40:16.480]  And somebody made an impression of this key in a bar of soap.
[40:16.700 --> 40:20.400]  And then they melted the plastic handle of a comb into the impression.
[40:21.020 --> 40:24.260]  And they were able to open like a four or five pin lock with that.
[40:24.260 --> 40:25.080]  Is that realistic?
[40:25.280 --> 40:26.540]  Is that something that can actually be done?
[40:27.000 --> 40:30.300]  Or is that just fiction made for TV?
[40:31.180 --> 40:36.180]  I think that we might call that feasible, but not super plausible.
[40:36.520 --> 40:38.740]  I would probably pick different materials.
[40:38.800 --> 40:39.080]  Yeah.
[40:39.200 --> 40:43.760]  Because I think that soap is going to melt at much lower temperature than the plastic.
[40:43.960 --> 40:44.220]  I don't know.
[40:44.320 --> 40:46.480]  If you're dripping plastic in, like...
[40:46.480 --> 40:46.660]  Yeah.
[40:46.940 --> 40:47.480]  You know what?
[40:47.520 --> 40:49.720]  This is the kind of thing I now want to try down in the village.
[40:50.040 --> 40:50.360]  All right.
[40:50.680 --> 40:51.920]  Somebody bring a bar of soap.
[40:52.320 --> 40:53.420]  Somebody bring fire.
[40:54.180 --> 40:55.620]  Somebody bring some plastic.
[40:56.080 --> 40:56.440]  Yeah.
[40:56.440 --> 40:57.460]  This is going to go well.
[40:57.840 --> 40:58.620]  A cheap toothbrush.
[40:58.620 --> 41:00.060]  Cast and mold attacks are real.
[41:00.240 --> 41:05.920]  There are absolutely kits that you can do that with, with various kinds of soft mediums and metals.
[41:05.920 --> 41:11.640]  Usually metals with a very low melting point, like a woods metal or some sort of alloy that has...
[41:11.640 --> 41:11.900]  Lead.
[41:12.040 --> 41:12.500]  Don't like that.
[41:12.540 --> 41:12.700]  Yeah.
[41:12.740 --> 41:13.540]  You don't want to use lead.
[41:13.780 --> 41:14.340]  No, no, no.
[41:15.200 --> 41:20.600]  This actually was something I was just asking Dave if we had any stills or clips of this.
[41:21.060 --> 41:23.740]  The old Donald Sutherland Great Train Robbery film.
[41:24.620 --> 41:24.660]  Oh, yeah.
[41:24.660 --> 41:25.300]  Great film.
[41:25.500 --> 41:27.360]  Where they do this casting attack.
[41:27.600 --> 41:27.820]  Mm-hmm.
[41:28.440 --> 41:29.160]  Fantastic film.
[41:29.280 --> 41:31.500]  And they really go into detail with the whole process of it.
[41:31.840 --> 41:33.060]  And that was so...
[41:33.060 --> 41:34.080]  You're seeing Chublox.
[41:34.300 --> 41:34.480]  Yes.
[41:34.480 --> 41:34.840]  One of the...
[41:34.840 --> 41:35.680]  Back in the day.
[41:36.100 --> 41:37.720]  Which was based off of a real story.
[41:37.800 --> 41:38.540]  The real incident, right?
[41:38.640 --> 41:38.740]  Yeah.
[41:39.320 --> 41:43.720]  In fact, they only later got caught because Robert Agar, like they were supposed to pay off his mistress.
[41:44.340 --> 41:44.420]  Right.
[41:44.420 --> 41:48.340]  And then he was in prison for another crime and they stopped giving his mistress any money so he ratted them out.
[41:48.540 --> 41:49.080]  But, yeah.
[41:49.240 --> 41:53.600]  The idea back then, you didn't have like, you know, bismuth alloy metals and things.
[41:53.800 --> 42:07.000]  So, you would just make a wax cast of a key and then a man like him, a safe cracker, a screwsman as you would be known, would be able to use that to basically visually guide themselves to carving the key and making a key.
[42:07.720 --> 42:14.560]  And what a magnificent couple of scenes in that movie showing conventional picking, sort of that impressioning key attack.
[42:14.580 --> 42:18.140]  It was a very, very entertaining picture if you like early Sean Connery work.
[42:18.340 --> 42:25.060]  Well, something to consider as well is that the further back you go, the tolerances weren't quite as tight either.
[42:25.360 --> 42:33.760]  So, the idea that you could use more cruder methods to achieve such result is more believable as well.
[42:35.080 --> 42:35.180]  But, yeah.
[42:35.260 --> 42:36.600]  Now I would totally want to melt a toothbrush.
[42:37.740 --> 42:38.060]  Absolutely.
[42:39.500 --> 42:39.820]  All right.
[42:40.000 --> 42:40.160]  Another question?
[42:40.440 --> 42:40.480]  Yeah.
[42:40.480 --> 42:41.060]  Grab a drink.
[42:41.200 --> 42:41.660]  And questions?
[42:41.780 --> 42:41.940]  Yes.
[42:42.200 --> 42:42.380]  Yeah.
[42:42.440 --> 42:42.700]  Hi there.
[42:42.940 --> 42:48.860]  So, first of all, thank you guys for showing up for this conference because this is my first hope and yesterday I learned how to pick a lock.
[42:49.040 --> 42:49.680]  So, that was pretty cool.
[42:49.920 --> 42:50.020]  Woo!
[42:50.020 --> 42:50.200]  Thank you.
[42:50.480 --> 42:50.580]  Yeah.
[42:50.720 --> 42:51.220]  Right on, man.
[42:51.320 --> 42:51.700]  All right.
[42:51.920 --> 42:52.240]  Open.
[42:55.600 --> 42:56.640]  And I was...
[42:56.640 --> 42:57.420]  First question.
[42:57.580 --> 42:57.980]  I have two.
[42:58.800 --> 43:05.360]  Have you guys ever seen a movie or a TV show or anything like that where there's a scene where somebody attempts to pick a lock and fails?
[43:06.300 --> 43:06.780]  Ah.
[43:07.280 --> 43:07.760]  Yes.
[43:08.040 --> 43:10.080]  There's a couple of different ways I've seen that.
[43:10.320 --> 43:14.600]  One of my favorite is actually one that I've seen is one trope that I've actually seen more and more often.
[43:15.060 --> 43:22.940]  The new Robert Downey Jr. Sherlock Holmes films as well as a Canadian detective series called Murdoch Mysteries.
[43:24.200 --> 43:30.680]  If you have, you may also have seen it under the name The Artful Detective, apparently in the U.S.
[43:31.580 --> 43:47.520]  And there the failure is the main character who is usually a very skilled, brilliant person, pulls out a whole set of complex tools and they're going to pick this lock and they just get started on it and their partner gets impatient and just kicks the door in.
[43:48.200 --> 44:00.120]  There have been a few others where, and unfortunately I cannot recall off the top of my head which particular series or films I've seen it in, but where they break their tool off or something interrupts them.
[44:01.440 --> 44:04.400]  So there is actually a clip that is relevant slightly.
[44:04.860 --> 44:05.520]  And I run.
[44:05.720 --> 44:07.440]  So we can switch back to the video feed.
[44:07.940 --> 44:08.220]  Yep.
[44:09.160 --> 44:10.440]  From the same show.
[44:10.700 --> 44:14.280]  It's not that I really like the show a whole lot, it's okay enough.
[44:14.280 --> 44:19.740]  It's that when an entire show is about a locksmith protagonist, you get a lot of clips out of it.
[44:19.960 --> 44:21.800]  Oh, that's a good freeze frame right there.
[44:22.420 --> 44:22.880]  Yeah.
[44:23.160 --> 44:27.260]  His sidekick is an interesting fellow here.
[44:27.440 --> 44:38.020]  So I don't even remember the details of the back story of this particular episode, but there is some organized crime syndicate or gang or bad guys are trying to break into the house.
[44:38.020 --> 44:44.200]  There's something in some secret safe that Saru, the main guy, is trying to get into.
[44:44.580 --> 44:46.220]  And he has some difficulties.
[44:50.400 --> 44:50.880]  Saru?
[44:51.120 --> 44:51.840]  Yabai, yabai.
[44:51.960 --> 44:53.400]  Ano sha-chou ato go hoon gruy de kuru.
[44:53.520 --> 44:53.980]  Issoide!
[44:56.660 --> 44:57.140]  Hiyo.
[45:04.620 --> 45:06.200]  Can we sell pics like that?
[45:15.840 --> 45:17.400]  Those will definitely stay in my beard.
[45:19.820 --> 45:21.320]  I think Peterson tools makes this.
[45:25.360 --> 45:26.760]  I don't know, that might be a John Fall.
[45:29.380 --> 45:31.240]  I don't see any gator on him, it can't be Peterson.
[45:32.720 --> 45:33.440]  Ichu agari.
[45:36.360 --> 45:37.880]  Hopefully this is the clip I'm thinking of.
[45:59.720 --> 46:01.860]  Why is there always some woman standing over him?
[46:02.960 --> 46:04.560]  Is she distracting the guy or something?
[46:04.560 --> 46:07.560]  Yeah, she's distracting the mob boss guy or gang person.
[46:15.800 --> 46:17.380]  Saru, yabai, sayo!
[46:18.400 --> 46:21.770]  I'm actually really curious, who did the soundtrack to this now?
[46:21.860 --> 46:22.580]  I don't know.
[46:23.690 --> 46:24.690]  It's starting to sound like Archer.
[46:25.300 --> 46:28.560]  Well yeah, I'm hearing a bit of Archer, a bit of Cowboy Bebop.
[46:28.840 --> 46:32.060]  And I think earlier we had some bits from Hackers.
[46:38.920 --> 46:40.840]  What's the hot key to speed up VLC?
[46:41.420 --> 46:42.100]  I don't know.
[46:42.760 --> 46:43.760]  But speaking of...
[46:43.760 --> 46:45.900]  Anyway, he doesn't get into the second safe.
[46:47.160 --> 46:50.960]  He has to, later on, he has to make a new special kind of pick.
[46:51.460 --> 46:53.620]  And then he comes back and then gets in.
[46:53.760 --> 47:00.820]  But yeah, it does happen, but it depends on the story that the filmmakers or producers are trying to show or tell.
[47:01.340 --> 47:01.520]  All right.
[47:01.720 --> 47:02.140]  Cool, thanks.
[47:02.500 --> 47:10.300]  And the other question I had was related to like digital locks, things like pin pads and, you know, hotel room key things.
[47:10.320 --> 47:11.780]  You guys ever play around with any of those?
[47:13.500 --> 47:13.940]  Yeah.
[47:16.360 --> 47:23.940]  Not as tool members, but a couple of us might run a pen testing firm that does things that are interesting.
[47:24.640 --> 47:31.420]  I mean, those are oftentimes not as difficult as you would hope it would be.
[47:32.420 --> 47:48.080]  And to anyone who is interested in that, the best thing I can recommend, just like with anything else, any other type of hacking that you want to learn or play with is just decide that's what you want to do and get a couple samples of whatever the thing is that you're interested in.
[47:48.140 --> 47:50.160]  And you can be creative about how you do that.
[47:50.160 --> 47:54.760]  So if there's a brand of safe that you like, then you can start looking at, you know, used ads or this or that.
[47:54.780 --> 48:00.080]  Or you can call the manufacturer and see if they're, you know, if you can buy it.
[48:00.080 --> 48:00.940]  You can buy four yesterday, right?
[48:01.180 --> 48:01.560]  What's that?
[48:01.680 --> 48:03.120]  Yeah, buy four yesterday.
[48:03.480 --> 48:05.560]  You can buy four of everything.
[48:05.820 --> 48:09.640]  So there's, there's ways to buy, you know, hospitality safes and all sorts of other stuff.
[48:09.640 --> 48:13.500]  And just take it apart and look for interesting things.
[48:13.740 --> 48:16.260]  I mean, as vague as that is, that's really all it takes.
[48:16.260 --> 48:21.560]  Because you'll just start looking at different designs and you'll go, well, no, it wouldn't be that simple, would it?
[48:21.560 --> 48:26.840]  I like when he found the master override code of a certain model hospitality safe.
[48:27.060 --> 48:27.220]  Oh, yeah.
[48:27.380 --> 48:31.900]  We were at a conference at a very large property down in Florida.
[48:32.540 --> 48:36.100]  An extremely large property down in Florida.
[48:37.520 --> 48:39.720]  Who owns that much property in Florida?
[48:39.720 --> 48:49.820]  And it just happened to be a very simple design where the microcontroller didn't store the safe master code on chip.
[48:50.000 --> 48:51.580]  It stored it in like a little EEPROM chip.
[48:51.800 --> 49:01.260]  So you just hook up, you know, logic analyzer and put in some incorrect opening attempts and look for the, you know, the times that it reads the code from the double EEPROM.
[49:01.880 --> 49:03.580]  And we found a master code.
[49:03.680 --> 49:09.260]  It was comparing the pin number to not only the code that I set, but also some other code that we had not set.
[49:09.720 --> 49:13.700]  And we found a six digit master code that opened the safes for the entire property.
[49:14.940 --> 49:22.100]  And what was even more interesting is I called the manufacturer afterwards and said, Hey, you know, I bought, I just bought one of these safes.
[49:22.240 --> 49:22.440]  Yeah.
[49:22.660 --> 49:23.560]  I'm a hotel owner.
[49:23.680 --> 49:24.380]  I bought a few of these.
[49:24.440 --> 49:25.560]  We have the master code.
[49:25.560 --> 49:26.420]  We want to change it.
[49:26.480 --> 49:27.600]  How do we change the master code?
[49:27.660 --> 49:30.580]  They go, Oh, there's no, there's no master code in those safes.
[49:31.220 --> 49:35.580]  We're like, that's weird because there's this code that they gave us.
[49:35.580 --> 49:35.700]  Yeah.
[49:35.760 --> 49:36.440]  So the slip of paper.
[49:36.620 --> 49:39.500]  And it works all the time, but we can't, don't know how to change it.
[49:39.560 --> 49:40.500]  And they're like, what's the code?
[49:42.600 --> 49:44.460]  We'd like to know so we can help people.
[49:44.700 --> 49:46.200]  And I gave them the code.
[49:46.320 --> 49:50.020]  They're like, and their response, they didn't even respond to that directly.
[49:50.020 --> 49:55.540]  They just said, Oh, well, you'll have to send us the safe and give us a copy of the purchase receipt for the safe.
[49:55.540 --> 49:56.980]  And then we'll change the code for you.
[49:57.160 --> 50:01.860]  So no acknowledgement whatsoever that, Hey, maybe this, this thing actually does exist.
[50:02.020 --> 50:02.500]  We were kidding.
[50:02.700 --> 50:02.860]  JK.
[50:03.120 --> 50:04.580]  You didn't find the master code.
[50:05.160 --> 50:06.480]  There is no master code.
[50:07.120 --> 50:07.820]  That's it.
[50:07.880 --> 50:08.300]  Thanks guys.
[50:08.560 --> 50:08.820]  Thank you.
[50:09.520 --> 50:10.920]  We got only a few minutes.
[50:11.020 --> 50:13.000]  We're going to try to hustle through whoever's left of the mic.
[50:13.240 --> 50:13.580]  There you go.
[50:13.720 --> 50:13.840]  Please.
[50:14.640 --> 50:18.200]  I've seen a bunch of documentary movies about like life in prison.
[50:18.420 --> 50:21.600]  I know there's a bunch of fly on the wall TV shows about jail right now.
[50:21.600 --> 50:28.220]  Um, have you ever seen, do you know of any instances of a key profile being revealed in footage of those?
[50:28.440 --> 50:35.520]  Uh, I can't say any, uh, of those like fly on the wall documentary style ones.
[50:35.700 --> 50:47.340]  I have heard, uh, of at least a few instances where people have escaped from prison by getting a good look at the keys hanging off a guard's belt.
[50:47.340 --> 50:52.200]  Actually, there was a prison that put the master key to the prison on the book.
[50:52.400 --> 50:52.720]  Yes.
[50:52.940 --> 50:53.120]  Yes.
[50:53.120 --> 50:54.120]  That was a very recent one.
[50:54.300 --> 50:55.500]  And somebody just went out.
[50:55.500 --> 51:02.500]  Someone literally put the profile of the master key on the, on the prisoner, on the inmate orientation guide.
[51:03.500 --> 51:07.380]  On the cover of the orientation guide for the inmates.
[51:07.380 --> 51:13.220]  But, but really, um, we've seen some of the, the Folger Adams locks and those keys are, are huge.
[51:13.620 --> 51:13.700]  Yes.
[51:13.960 --> 51:16.620]  You're not gonna hide one of those anywhere intentionally.
[51:17.100 --> 51:18.920]  Detention locks are really kind of an odd read.
[51:18.920 --> 51:19.940]  That's a lot of toilet paper, paper mache.
[51:20.380 --> 51:20.820]  Yes.
[51:21.020 --> 51:24.320]  It's, it's not any place you would think about hiding it from inspection.
[51:24.580 --> 51:25.420]  It ain't gonna go there.
[51:25.520 --> 51:37.240]  But there, there are actually a number of prisons and this used to be a thing in the Victorian period, uh, where they have adopted either special wallets or covers on the guard's belt to hold the keys.
[51:37.480 --> 51:40.920]  Or keys with an integral cover that folds over it.
[51:41.060 --> 51:49.380]  What, what's important to keep in mind is that, um, remember with any, with any lock system, it is a system of components and it's not just the lock cylinder.
[51:49.640 --> 52:02.380]  So, often times in prisons when inmates do escape, uh, through manipulation of the lock mechanism, they're actually not picking the lock but rather, um, interacting with or preventing some other mechanism that locks the door.
[52:03.100 --> 52:16.720]  Um, often times, uh, the doors are so poorly maintained, um, that they're able to figure out other creative ways of, of jimmying doors open that don't necessarily have anything to do with picking the actual lock itself.
[52:17.300 --> 52:18.500]  More like bypassing it.
[52:18.640 --> 52:20.580]  So, I think we have just a couple minutes left.
[52:20.780 --> 52:22.460]  So, I think we have at least one more question.
[52:22.500 --> 52:23.000]  If we have two people, we can get them.
[52:23.160 --> 52:24.360]  We can serve these two people drinks.
[52:24.360 --> 52:29.200]  Maybe, maybe someone else should go, this is not, nothing to do with locks, but it has to do with inaccuracy.
[52:29.520 --> 52:29.700]  Sure.
[52:30.220 --> 52:31.640]  Okay, I'm a musician.
[52:32.020 --> 52:32.300]  Okay.
[52:32.420 --> 52:33.080]  I'm a saxophone player.
[52:33.220 --> 52:38.380]  And I was, I'm actually was on a show of, of, uh, Gotham on Fox.
[52:38.620 --> 52:38.760]  Okay.
[52:38.980 --> 52:39.080]  Yeah.
[52:39.200 --> 52:42.140]  There was a scene with a band playing in a nightclub.
[52:42.500 --> 52:42.860]  Okay.
[52:42.860 --> 52:44.320]  And I forget the star's name, but she was singing.
[52:44.960 --> 52:50.180]  And they come in, they say, they want the people that play the same instruments so it looks more realistic.
[52:50.180 --> 52:50.880]  That's the idea.
[52:50.880 --> 52:51.040]  Yeah.
[52:51.580 --> 52:52.520]  So I come in there.
[52:52.660 --> 52:53.540]  I did it once before.
[52:53.660 --> 52:54.520]  The saxophone was fine.
[52:54.860 --> 52:56.420]  This time they come in and they play the track.
[52:56.840 --> 52:57.680]  It's a trumpet.
[52:58.320 --> 52:59.100]  I'm holding a saxophone.
[52:59.540 --> 53:00.780]  And they supply all this.
[53:00.980 --> 53:03.460]  And I said, that's not a sax.
[53:03.540 --> 53:04.060]  That's a trumpet.
[53:04.520 --> 53:06.380]  And they, um, they got a trumpet.
[53:06.560 --> 53:15.220]  But the trumpet, this is something, maybe not everybody knows this, because it's another minutia thing for people in that field, had a Harman mute in it.
[53:15.380 --> 53:16.320]  It's a metallic mute.
[53:16.420 --> 53:20.460]  It has a very different, like, like those Miles Davis records and that kind of thing.
[53:20.660 --> 53:23.640]  I mean, and that's, that can be both surprising and not surprising at the same time.
[53:23.800 --> 53:25.620]  Like to you, it was like, come on, you guys are idiots.
[53:25.760 --> 53:27.140]  So I, they did not have a mute.
[53:27.300 --> 53:30.660]  So I had an open trumpet and they got that Harman mute sound.
[53:30.660 --> 53:33.380]  So people that understand this would think that's hilarious.
[53:33.800 --> 53:38.360]  And I was featured quite a bit playing obligato to the singer who was a star.
[53:38.480 --> 53:39.200]  I don't remember her name.
[53:39.420 --> 53:39.740]  And it's like a camera fan.
[53:39.740 --> 53:39.920]  All right.
[53:40.300 --> 53:41.180]  Well, grab a drink.
[53:41.340 --> 53:44.060]  If gentlemen behind you can ask a question in 10 seconds or less.
[53:44.320 --> 53:45.020]  Can you do it, sir?
[53:45.260 --> 53:45.580]  Oh, wow.
[53:45.880 --> 53:47.360]  You just jumped in front of the poor guy.
[53:47.440 --> 53:48.300]  He's been standing up all day.
[53:48.540 --> 53:49.280]  No, I was waiting.
[53:49.280 --> 53:49.740]  Up to you.
[53:49.860 --> 53:50.140]  All right.
[53:50.320 --> 53:50.740]  10 seconds.
[53:50.740 --> 53:51.100]  You got it.
[53:51.220 --> 53:51.400]  Go.
[53:51.600 --> 53:53.620]  I have worked in production on TV.
[53:54.160 --> 53:55.720]  Been a consultant for something like this.
[53:55.800 --> 54:00.420]  And similar to that, sometimes you know what you have to do, but you know that they have no interest in reality.
[54:01.060 --> 54:06.380]  So my recipe involved a balaclava, three laptops, blue LEDs, and fingerless gloves.
[54:07.400 --> 54:07.620]  So...
[54:07.620 --> 54:08.460]  There you go.
[54:08.540 --> 54:09.560]  Just make sure.
[54:09.780 --> 54:11.760]  You leave your fingerprints everywhere.
[54:12.080 --> 54:12.380]  Thank you.
[54:12.680 --> 54:14.820]  If they won't listen to you, make them look ridiculous.
[54:15.160 --> 54:16.880]  If you have more questions, I think...
[54:17.520 --> 54:18.720]  How fast can you talk?
[54:18.820 --> 54:19.440]  How fast can you talk?
[54:19.600 --> 54:24.400]  In jurisdictions where burglary tools are felonious, like...
[54:24.400 --> 54:25.180]  Oh, maybe here.
[54:25.180 --> 54:25.560]  Polonies.
[54:25.580 --> 54:36.120]  Have you guys come across any stealth kits in art, concept art, media, things that maybe you've come across as actual viable products that aren't immediately apparent as...
[54:36.120 --> 54:43.920]  Pick tools are not actually illegal in virtually any state in the union, including the four states of Mississippi, Virginia, Ohio, and Nevada, where you think they're illegal but they're not.
[54:44.040 --> 54:45.300]  Tennessee's the only state of concern.
[54:45.620 --> 54:49.760]  No, we're not aware of any covert tools except tools that you might have improvised to look like they're not tools.
[54:49.940 --> 54:51.440]  Ask us downstairs in the village about that.
[54:51.520 --> 54:51.960]  Take your whiskey.
[54:51.960 --> 54:52.940]  Thank you, ladies and gentlemen.
[54:53.180 --> 54:54.120]  Thank you to the panel.
[54:58.200 --> 54:58.980]  Thank you, guys.
[55:01.380 --> 55:02.540]  I was watching yesterday.
[55:02.700 --> 55:02.980]  I was watching.
[55:03.160 --> 55:03.460]  Thank you.
[55:03.480 --> 55:03.680]  Thank you.
[55:03.880 --> 55:04.240]  Thank you.