[00:01.700 --> 00:02.820]  Thank you so much.
[00:03.600 --> 00:06.320]  The microphone cable is short.
[00:06.660 --> 00:08.840]  If I can get a wireless in between it would be nice.
[00:11.920 --> 00:14.340]  I can also talk louder after if it doesn't work.
[00:15.880 --> 00:16.580]  Excuse me?
[00:17.880 --> 00:19.100]  That would be very nice.
[00:19.100 --> 00:32.840]  Well, while we are transforming the presentation into something else, I would like to make it a little interactive to learn what is your level of knowledge and what's your interest on MATE or hacking or forest saving.
[00:33.120 --> 00:36.920]  And for that I will propose a short binary question and answers.
[00:37.420 --> 00:41.380]  So that afterwards you have more questions from your side and answers from my side.
[00:41.540 --> 00:44.460]  Now we'll do a couple of questions just to check your interest.
[00:45.940 --> 00:47.260]  Let's make it binary.
[00:47.680 --> 00:50.160]  If you say yes, raise your hand.
[00:50.720 --> 00:53.020]  If you don't have the subject, do nothing.
[00:53.300 --> 00:56.720]  If you really love the subject, be loud and say yes.
[00:57.140 --> 00:59.060]  If you're not interested, they say no.
[01:00.080 --> 01:02.100]  And then let's make a test here.
[01:02.880 --> 01:04.780]  Who likes group MATE?
[01:05.380 --> 01:05.940]  Yes!
[01:07.240 --> 01:08.800]  Who has seen a maquetry?
[01:09.400 --> 01:10.000]  No!
[01:11.020 --> 01:12.220]  There's some, there's some.
[01:12.860 --> 01:17.820]  And who is interested in land grabbing versus community supported agriculture?
[01:18.420 --> 01:18.780]  Yes!
[01:19.780 --> 01:21.300]  Hey, happy about that one.
[01:22.060 --> 01:24.140]  The question was already in the presentation.
[01:24.320 --> 01:30.640]  I have to remind that the next one is who is interested in the legalization process of autonomous farmers?
[01:31.320 --> 01:31.720]  Yes!
[01:31.720 --> 01:31.820]  Yeah!
[01:33.960 --> 01:40.280]  And as I don't have the presentation, the last question is who likes to see the meat of the legend of MATE?
[01:40.760 --> 01:41.200]  Yes!
[01:41.760 --> 01:46.860]  Okay, this is just to take over the time then but I'm ready for it while the computer doesn't come.
[01:47.960 --> 01:48.840]  It's like this.
[01:49.000 --> 01:50.420]  I used to dance the bouton before.
[01:50.420 --> 01:57.400]  And I got into mate the first time with friends, going to the forest with computers, making music for the trees, and cutting to make mate.
[01:58.100 --> 02:02.360]  And I learned something from that, and I researched the myth and read the theater about mate.
[02:02.640 --> 02:05.200]  And after I went to develop new things, you'll see later.
[02:05.800 --> 02:10.620]  But the history of mate is very interesting, because it comes from an area where there is not the concept of property.
[02:11.100 --> 02:17.900]  Those indigenous tribes, they get the food, they work, and they bring to a prayer house, where everybody goes to collect the food.
[02:17.900 --> 02:22.180]  Doesn't matter if it works or not, everybody has the access to the source.
[02:23.200 --> 02:31.700]  And that place is where the mate comes from, where they share the material there, they share the material, and the mate circulates around the fire to share the knowledge.
[02:31.860 --> 02:34.140]  They don't have a school, university, they didn't have computers.
[02:34.580 --> 02:39.040]  So the mate was the instrument to focus and share information around the fire.
[02:39.800 --> 02:41.000]  But how did mate come from?
[02:41.460 --> 02:42.920]  The tribes used to be nomads.
[02:42.920 --> 02:49.340]  They would walk inside and inside, part of the here, take food from there, and have to walk further always.
[02:49.880 --> 02:57.060]  And when a man gets old, it says in tradition that this man does not hold the tribe.
[02:57.420 --> 02:58.980]  They say, go further.
[02:59.320 --> 03:00.360]  You have to go.
[03:00.880 --> 03:02.480]  I'm here to die in the forest.
[03:03.020 --> 03:07.020]  That forest that he saw growing throughout his life, it stays there.
[03:08.500 --> 03:13.360]  And some little trees come very slowly, with a long time to grow up.
[03:14.040 --> 03:18.400]  A man also goes very fast, and he sees the death.
[03:19.160 --> 03:21.700]  And this man was there, alone in the forest.
[03:23.280 --> 03:26.440]  And his daughter said, I would like to stay with you.
[03:26.480 --> 03:27.680]  I don't want to let you alone, father.
[03:29.780 --> 03:31.840]  And he said, you should go to the people.
[03:31.920 --> 03:32.720]  Don't stay here.
[03:32.720 --> 03:33.880]  And she stands.
[03:34.000 --> 03:37.240]  And then comes a man in the forest and said, I see what you do.
[03:37.380 --> 03:39.760]  And asked her daughter, I said, what do you want?
[03:40.020 --> 03:42.580]  And she said, I want nothing but ask my father.
[03:43.740 --> 03:45.960]  And then the man asked my father, what do you want?
[03:46.320 --> 03:49.000]  I want that my daughter could come back and try.
[03:49.200 --> 03:50.100]  Excuse me, that's not the microphone.
[03:50.100 --> 03:51.080]  So...
[03:51.080 --> 03:52.060]  No, that's not recording.
[03:53.280 --> 03:53.980]  It's fine.
[03:54.360 --> 03:54.680]  She's recording.
[03:54.860 --> 03:54.960]  Are you here?
[03:54.960 --> 03:55.060]  Is it possible?
[03:55.920 --> 03:57.380]  I go try louder.
[03:58.000 --> 03:58.240]  Yeah.
[03:58.680 --> 03:59.200]  So...
[04:01.020 --> 04:09.800]  This man, supposed to be a son of God, the Tupa, the sun god, came and teach to make a special drink from leaves from the forest.
[04:10.480 --> 04:15.520]  And this old man took it, and it's kind of rejuvenated him.
[04:15.520 --> 04:21.260]  He drank more and more, and got power, and could walk back to the tribe with his daughter.
[04:21.500 --> 04:23.320]  And then people ask, what's happened to you?
[04:36.770 --> 04:41.570]  It's to finish with isolation, rejuvenated, and make you connect back to people.
[04:42.470 --> 04:46.430]  Very depth in the Sons of Matthew, it says, it's finishing with solitude.
[04:46.590 --> 04:47.950]  You connect to people.
[04:48.310 --> 04:51.750]  And that's a wonderful thing that we have.
[04:51.750 --> 05:02.950]  So even, like in Klukmat, the same spirit coming out, that we, people sharing information, hacking for contribution for a more common society, are also using it.
[05:03.110 --> 05:05.150]  And I hope I have a presentation to show.
[05:06.170 --> 05:06.470]  And...
[05:07.390 --> 05:10.310]  If not, then I can improvise as well.
[05:11.030 --> 05:13.110]  I put a t-shirt now that was a performance.
[05:15.110 --> 05:16.670]  This t-shirt has a history.
[05:17.150 --> 05:23.390]  I went to the forest with this t-shirt when Klukmat was the first time for us to start the permaculture project.
[05:24.970 --> 05:26.910]  And I have some slides on it.
[05:26.950 --> 05:35.470]  And in case it doesn't work, we have the MetaMath Club downstairs, where I and Jonathan, he's from Project Mati from Florida, come up the whole way here to help me on that.
[05:35.870 --> 05:38.210]  And we can go deep and tell what we have done.
[05:38.470 --> 05:39.830]  It's five years working now.
[05:40.810 --> 05:49.950]  And the curious thing is that near when we started farmaculture, there was 300 hectares of land being sold, monoculture, and a piece of 12 hectares of forest.
[05:50.510 --> 05:52.850]  And we could say, don't sell the forest together.
[05:53.150 --> 05:54.430]  We know the people around.
[05:54.810 --> 05:56.050]  They could work on it.
[05:56.230 --> 06:03.530]  So the owner said, it's okay, because all these people who are around, there is a little village of 20 houses, used to be employees from his father.
[06:03.750 --> 06:07.090]  And his father took all those people together and created a village.
[06:07.630 --> 06:15.070]  sold the land, and this village has no land, no education, no future, no prosperity.
[06:16.910 --> 06:18.370]  But there's a forest on this side.
[06:18.770 --> 06:21.770]  So the son of the owner said, use it.
[06:22.730 --> 06:26.750]  He heard about our anchor space, ideas, how to create technology, how to develop.
[06:27.230 --> 06:33.150]  And that's the scope of this talk, to present to this forest, what's there, what are the people, and what are the needs we have.
[06:34.230 --> 06:35.470]  What I have a...
[06:35.470 --> 06:35.970]  We're working on.
[06:35.970 --> 06:39.370]  I was planning to show you the story of the land grabbing.
[06:45.030 --> 06:46.810]  It's good when you like what you do, you know.
[06:46.990 --> 06:47.890]  I drink it every day.
[06:48.470 --> 06:49.270]  It feels good.
[06:50.470 --> 06:51.490]  What about T-shirt?
[06:51.710 --> 06:52.970]  I was there with those farmers.
[06:54.770 --> 06:56.210]  And you walk in the forest.
[06:56.370 --> 06:57.050]  It's not a monoculture.
[06:57.210 --> 06:57.790]  You go and harvest.
[06:57.970 --> 06:59.550]  You have to find the trees one day before.
[06:59.850 --> 07:02.810]  Go there, climb, cut, carry out of the forest.
[07:02.810 --> 07:04.670]  And one elder man.
[07:04.810 --> 07:06.030]  The young people don't want to work.
[07:06.470 --> 07:08.050]  Unfortunately, too much in alcohol.
[07:08.290 --> 07:14.130]  That's a problem with the new social government in Brazil that gives a kind of base income for everybody who has children.
[07:14.130 --> 07:16.750]  So the people who have no education, no perspective.
[07:17.410 --> 07:17.810]  Isolated.
[07:17.930 --> 07:18.950]  They get this base income.
[07:19.350 --> 07:21.890]  In a village with 20 houses, there's five bars.
[07:23.170 --> 07:23.990]  It's pure alcohol.
[07:24.210 --> 07:24.990]  It's really destroying.
[07:24.990 --> 07:27.670]  So the young people have not very much the interest.
[07:27.870 --> 07:30.790]  We've got like a 56-year-old man who grew up to harvest.
[07:31.410 --> 07:34.410]  And one of the men got his finger in the forest.
[07:35.070 --> 07:36.710]  And that's the piece of this T-shirt.
[07:37.310 --> 07:39.210]  And gladly, I was very surprised.
[07:39.290 --> 07:42.090]  He just took it, tied his finger, and went back to work.
[07:42.750 --> 07:44.570]  If he was here, I would say, please bring him to the hospital.
[07:44.730 --> 07:46.090]  It was like really open.
[07:46.210 --> 07:50.810]  And these people are so much in the hard work and knowing how the life in the forest is not easy.
[07:53.570 --> 07:58.010]  As the presentation is not going on, I will tell you about the history of Brazil land grabbing.
[07:59.090 --> 08:00.550]  1970s, big Brazil.
[08:00.730 --> 08:01.730]  A project for the government.
[08:01.950 --> 08:04.050]  The poster was a tractor going over a tree.
[08:04.510 --> 08:07.230]  Make unusable land and useful land.
[08:07.970 --> 08:09.450]  Soy has been production, cattle.
[08:09.710 --> 08:13.610]  And that's the beginning of the rainforest, fast deforestation.
[08:14.790 --> 08:20.870]  With that time comes the soy and after comes ethanol for making also energy.
[08:21.830 --> 08:23.970]  And nowadays eucalyptus, big problem.
[08:24.150 --> 08:27.350]  Like you have a kind of desert of green coming in the landscape.
[08:27.690 --> 08:30.010]  Big trees that sucks all the water and make a desert.
[08:30.410 --> 08:33.910]  And people who are isolated in the middle of it, they don't get food anymore.
[08:34.470 --> 08:36.290]  Because there's only monocultures.
[08:36.850 --> 08:38.950]  And it's now going to a good example.
[08:38.950 --> 08:40.230]  The people who harvest coffee.
[08:40.390 --> 08:43.910]  The people who harvest cacao to make chocolate.
[08:44.510 --> 08:47.410]  The people that normally harvest matte from monoculture.
[08:47.550 --> 08:48.910]  They don't get the food from it.
[08:49.070 --> 08:50.630]  Because they collect raw materials.
[08:50.790 --> 08:51.770]  They live for industry.
[08:52.090 --> 08:53.330]  That's sent to urban centers.
[08:53.610 --> 08:54.390]  Or to abroad.
[08:55.170 --> 08:57.730]  The autonomous production of food is broken.
[08:58.450 --> 09:01.310]  And at the end of 1990, 2000, everybody working to produce food.
[09:01.870 --> 09:03.970]  If there's a monoculture, eucalyptus.
[09:04.250 --> 09:07.030]  Like 1,000 hectares, you need one and a half men.
[09:07.030 --> 09:08.550]  It comes with a machine.
[09:08.730 --> 09:10.690]  Every four years, five years, they cut the trees.
[09:10.990 --> 09:13.090]  So you have one job for 1,000 hectares.
[09:13.630 --> 09:21.070]  If you have an agriculture-based production, you need 306 people for the same area.
[09:21.410 --> 09:22.330]  Where you're working.
[09:22.850 --> 09:25.130]  And you get a much more diverse output.
[09:25.190 --> 09:26.530]  And you feed the locals as well.
[09:27.010 --> 09:29.310]  And this is a way that we're trying this project now.
[09:29.450 --> 09:33.090]  To create a source, a common usage of forest.
[09:33.550 --> 09:35.350]  And produce food for the locals.
[09:35.350 --> 09:37.770]  But also the high-quality mask that you like to have.
[09:38.670 --> 09:41.050]  That's what connects the...
[09:41.670 --> 09:42.470]  History there.
[09:42.730 --> 09:43.970]  I will do something now.
[09:44.110 --> 09:44.270]  The break.
[09:44.470 --> 09:45.470]  Who has already a question?
[09:45.850 --> 09:46.330]  Okay.
[09:48.700 --> 09:49.080]  This?
[09:49.580 --> 09:51.640]  So, when did Mate...
[09:51.640 --> 09:55.140]  How did Mate become a building outside of Brazil?
[10:01.740 --> 10:04.880]  First, it was the Jesuits that arrived there.
[10:05.320 --> 10:07.860]  And they were surprised in south of Brazil.
[10:08.280 --> 10:09.480]  That they found an indigenous tribe.
[10:10.020 --> 10:11.580]  That were healthy and welcoming them.
[10:12.160 --> 10:13.820]  And the northeast of Brazil, there were cannibals.
[10:14.140 --> 10:15.980]  The first group that stopped a boat there.
[10:16.280 --> 10:17.260]  Was eaten one week later.
[10:17.800 --> 10:19.080]  It was like, finished.
[10:19.080 --> 10:20.320]  And in the south, they arrived.
[10:20.420 --> 10:21.940]  And there was these people drinking tea.
[10:22.180 --> 10:22.820]  And smiling.
[10:22.960 --> 10:24.020]  Invited them to sit together.
[10:24.640 --> 10:26.100]  So, it was the first connection.
[10:26.420 --> 10:28.100]  And then they heard this story.
[10:28.600 --> 10:30.320]  Oh, that's a present from God.
[10:30.540 --> 10:32.500]  And there was the Jesuits there teaching...
[10:32.920 --> 10:34.620]  I don't want to go into religions here.
[10:34.740 --> 10:35.020]  I don't know.
[10:35.120 --> 10:37.580]  But teaching like, this is the present from their God.
[10:37.780 --> 10:38.040]  To pun.
[10:38.440 --> 10:40.220]  That means for the Jesuits, the devil.
[10:40.220 --> 10:42.720]  So, the first name was the devil herb.
[10:43.320 --> 10:45.600]  And the people were forbidden to drink that.
[10:45.780 --> 10:47.360]  Otherwise, they could not go into the church.
[10:47.580 --> 10:49.220]  They would be excommungated from the Pope.
[10:49.260 --> 10:49.900]  Was the threat.
[10:50.600 --> 10:51.320]  What happened?
[10:51.560 --> 10:53.460]  The indigenous people didn't stop to drink mate.
[10:53.640 --> 10:54.640]  They would not go to the church.
[10:56.060 --> 10:58.060]  And the ones who stopped...
[10:58.540 --> 11:00.460]  Started to enjoy more the alcohol.
[11:00.680 --> 11:01.560]  That was already there.
[11:02.120 --> 11:03.340]  So, it was a social problem.
[11:03.440 --> 11:04.360]  They stopped with the mate.
[11:04.460 --> 11:05.880]  And they got lots of drunk people.
[11:06.540 --> 11:09.220]  And that time, the shaman there saw the problem.
[11:09.220 --> 11:11.840]  And said, there is something bad on the matter, really.
[11:12.080 --> 11:12.560]  That's why.
[11:13.400 --> 11:15.700]  We spit over the left shoulder the devil.
[11:16.880 --> 11:18.780]  And the church liked it.
[11:18.940 --> 11:20.660]  They have a little devil on the left shoulder.
[11:20.840 --> 11:21.580]  So, I said, okay.
[11:21.920 --> 11:23.080]  We spit the devil out.
[11:23.340 --> 11:26.000]  But then the truth, it was not the Tupan God.
[11:26.200 --> 11:28.480]  It was Jesus who was reborn in the forest.
[11:28.640 --> 11:29.780]  And teach you how to make it.
[11:30.060 --> 11:33.640]  And the name changed from devil herb to the Jesuit tea.
[11:34.040 --> 11:36.160]  And started to be exported to Europe.
[11:36.720 --> 11:37.700]  Through the church.
[11:38.980 --> 11:40.880]  And that went 100 years on.
[11:41.020 --> 11:44.540]  The indigenous caring, transport, because they didn't have money to contribute to the church.
[11:44.800 --> 11:46.700]  So, they would pay the mate to the church.
[11:47.080 --> 11:49.100]  And that's how it got out the first time.
[11:49.460 --> 11:54.860]  The second big wave was by 1906, where Argentina made the first monoculture.
[11:55.740 --> 11:57.860]  80% of the mate forest are in Brazil.
[11:58.700 --> 12:01.220]  90% of the mate that you drink comes from Argentina.
[12:01.220 --> 12:04.780]  It was a top-down program that they made 1906 plant.
[12:05.340 --> 12:08.980]  And in 1916, Argentina from importer become the highest export in the world.
[12:09.520 --> 12:10.500]  Fully monoculture.
[12:10.980 --> 12:13.220]  80% of the factors belong for three families.
[12:14.240 --> 12:16.300]  It's like a top-down implementation.
[12:16.300 --> 12:18.380]  With advertising outside.
[12:18.800 --> 12:18.880]  Then.
[12:19.040 --> 12:19.860]  We are the producer.
[12:20.060 --> 12:20.780]  This is the new drinking.
[12:21.220 --> 12:23.720]  And that's how mate then come a new wave out.
[12:25.280 --> 12:27.100]  And that makes also...
[12:27.100 --> 12:29.680]  I'll take the flow to say that makes the problem in Brazil.
[12:29.920 --> 12:32.680]  With the small families that always harvest for the forest.
[12:32.820 --> 12:34.340]  For unconsume and for the neighbors.
[12:34.340 --> 12:35.980]  They had a problem then.
[12:36.120 --> 12:37.620]  Because Brazil won't take part on this.
[12:38.560 --> 12:42.060]  So, more from the 60s, 70s, they were obliged in Brazilian companies.
[12:42.060 --> 12:43.480]  Either to grow or to stop.
[12:44.080 --> 12:47.280]  And in this process, it was created the norms for the industry.
[12:47.960 --> 12:50.480]  So, to produce mate nowadays in Brazil.
[12:50.600 --> 12:51.960]  It's just like you produce meat.
[12:52.260 --> 12:54.200]  You have to have metal plates.
[12:54.380 --> 12:55.880]  You have to wash everything every day.
[12:56.420 --> 12:58.060]  Like, mate doesn't use water in the production.
[12:58.340 --> 13:02.720]  But anyway, the same regulation is applied to produce mate than any other food.
[13:02.720 --> 13:05.760]  So, to produce autonomous mate is not forbidden.
[13:06.040 --> 13:06.640]  You can make it.
[13:06.740 --> 13:07.680]  But you cannot sell.
[13:08.200 --> 13:12.580]  To sell it, you have to have a kind of hygiene improvement from the government.
[13:12.960 --> 13:17.460]  And they do not have standards for autonomous production.
[13:17.680 --> 13:19.080]  And that's one part of our work.
[13:19.160 --> 13:20.420]  We have association in Brazil.
[13:21.780 --> 13:23.380]  One association in Germany.
[13:23.580 --> 13:26.820]  Trying to do the lobby work and create the laws to allow it.
[13:27.700 --> 13:30.400]  And if it doesn't work, there is a mate already designed.
[13:30.400 --> 13:32.640]  It's a mate with the mask of Guy Fawkes.
[13:32.800 --> 13:33.400]  The green mask.
[13:33.600 --> 13:35.680]  And you sell it as bricks, as soap, whatever.
[13:35.880 --> 13:36.680]  You just don't drink it.
[13:37.300 --> 13:41.460]  And that's the economical hack that's read if you don't get it approved.
[13:41.960 --> 13:44.940]  Because the idea that we have in Brazil, we have several small families.
[13:45.040 --> 13:48.060]  There are 14 families only still doing autonomous mate production.
[13:48.780 --> 13:50.080]  Four of them will work.
[13:50.080 --> 13:54.240]  And we can spread to the other and create new of them.
[13:54.520 --> 13:58.760]  So if you get one family legalized what we are working on, the others can also.
[13:58.940 --> 14:01.300]  And we want to create a decentral production of mate.
[14:01.520 --> 14:03.260]  In small quantities, high quality.
[14:03.700 --> 14:07.980]  And then you have lots of beauties like a biodiversity that can give you more theobromine.
[14:08.120 --> 14:09.320]  What makes you happy on mate.
[14:09.500 --> 14:11.000]  And it's not in coffee, not in tea.
[14:11.340 --> 14:12.880]  We can have more antioxidants.
[14:12.880 --> 14:16.620]  We have done three years of research in the Boit University in Berlin.
[14:17.260 --> 14:19.520]  Checking what's the difference between a monoculture.
[14:20.580 --> 14:22.280]  Where you have only one plant.
[14:22.460 --> 14:24.400]  And a forest, you have 30 kinds of mate.
[14:24.760 --> 14:26.720]  So you can really find a different taste.
[14:27.080 --> 14:28.460]  Different effects for the health.
[14:29.080 --> 14:33.100]  And for that we have to have a georeferential identification of the species.
[14:33.320 --> 14:34.540]  We have done already some.
[14:34.740 --> 14:40.620]  And have developed new ways of harvesting and drying.
[14:42.400 --> 14:43.980]  And thanks for the question.
[14:44.180 --> 14:45.960]  One more question before the presentation starts.
[14:49.420 --> 14:50.720]  I don't see anything.
[14:51.220 --> 14:53.460]  Since we have some time, just some background.
[14:54.340 --> 14:55.940]  What are the effects of mate?
[14:56.100 --> 14:57.020]  What is it used for?
[14:57.300 --> 15:01.540]  And why is it something that has become kind of a phenomenon?
[15:02.200 --> 15:04.020]  I will let my friend here from the U.S. speak then.
[15:05.620 --> 15:06.120]  That's an opportunity.
[15:06.380 --> 15:06.900]  Hello Jonathan.
[15:07.700 --> 15:13.180]  So yerba mate, what it has is antioxidant properties that are greater than green teas.
[15:13.360 --> 15:13.900]  Three times greater.
[15:14.200 --> 15:18.040]  There's 24 essential vitamins and minerals that occur in this one plant.
[15:18.500 --> 15:21.360]  You'll get trace components of all your B vitamins.
[15:21.520 --> 15:22.440]  Vitamin A, C and E.
[15:22.900 --> 15:25.140]  Calcium, magnesium, potassium, niacin, zinc.
[15:25.500 --> 15:26.780]  Even iron is present in the plant.
[15:27.020 --> 15:29.000]  You also get the three alkaloids.
[15:29.360 --> 15:30.360]  Caffeine being one of them.
[15:31.480 --> 15:33.100]  It's about half the caffeine of coffee.
[15:33.340 --> 15:34.940]  But it also has theobromine.
[15:35.220 --> 15:36.300]  Which is present in raw cacao.
[15:36.560 --> 15:38.060]  What chocolate is made from.
[15:38.060 --> 15:39.660]  It's the component that...
[15:39.660 --> 15:42.400]  It's the alkaloid that actually stimulates your mood.
[15:42.620 --> 15:43.640]  It actually makes you feel happy.
[15:44.180 --> 15:46.480]  So you'll have a positive feeling from it.
[15:46.660 --> 15:48.960]  You also get theophylline.
[15:49.180 --> 15:50.980]  Which is a mild muscle relaxer.
[15:51.080 --> 15:54.260]  That offsets all the jittery components of coffee's caffeine.
[15:54.860 --> 15:57.320]  So it's a delicious drink.
[15:57.540 --> 15:58.780]  And it actually makes you feel happy.
[15:59.480 --> 16:00.800]  Maybe to do...
[16:00.800 --> 16:01.260]  Thanks, Jonathan.
[16:01.600 --> 16:02.280]  To add on.
[16:02.580 --> 16:03.940]  He explained what is there.
[16:04.020 --> 16:04.880]  But how it happens.
[16:05.180 --> 16:06.700]  We have a space in Berlin.
[16:07.380 --> 16:09.400]  Called the Metamate Bar.
[16:09.780 --> 16:10.720]  Which is a bar.
[16:10.960 --> 16:12.180]  But it's also...
[16:12.180 --> 16:13.980]  Used to be the Hedy Lamar crew.
[16:14.200 --> 16:15.240]  From the Pirate Party Berlin.
[16:15.440 --> 16:16.100]  In our cellar.
[16:16.420 --> 16:17.780]  The EHSM.
[16:17.860 --> 16:19.400]  Extreme Hardware and Software Meeting.
[16:19.640 --> 16:20.640]  Used to meet the org.
[16:20.760 --> 16:21.800]  Always in our cellar.
[16:22.200 --> 16:24.820]  And so there is many hacker community that come to us.
[16:24.860 --> 16:25.640]  And they work there.
[16:25.840 --> 16:26.880]  As a community space.
[16:28.160 --> 16:29.680]  And what we learn to see.
[16:29.840 --> 16:30.320]  That the difference.
[16:30.520 --> 16:31.260]  If you take a coffee.
[16:31.380 --> 16:32.100]  You do something.
[16:33.140 --> 16:33.920]  It's like extremely.
[16:34.060 --> 16:34.660]  Take a shot.
[16:35.300 --> 16:35.700]  Expresso.
[16:35.820 --> 16:36.220]  And do something.
[16:36.480 --> 16:38.000]  If you get people to drink mate.
[16:38.340 --> 16:39.920]  It's about finding similarities.
[16:40.700 --> 16:41.760]  Find what you have in common.
[16:41.960 --> 16:42.900]  It's a kind of team building.
[16:43.480 --> 16:44.640]  Creating positive ideas.
[16:44.880 --> 16:47.060]  Because the Theobromine gives a positive mood.
[16:47.460 --> 16:48.860]  And the ritual of sharing.
[16:49.160 --> 16:49.860]  Creates trust.
[16:50.520 --> 16:51.680]  So you trust the people.
[16:51.860 --> 16:52.420]  You are sharing.
[16:52.540 --> 16:53.120]  Have a good time.
[16:53.260 --> 16:54.140]  You have common ideas.
[16:54.140 --> 16:56.340]  And that's a different level then.
[16:56.560 --> 16:57.500]  To then drinking the coffee.
[16:58.420 --> 17:00.040]  Now I have some beautiful charts.
[17:00.220 --> 17:02.760]  Can you scroll the very first one?
[17:04.080 --> 17:04.540]  No.
[17:04.680 --> 17:05.460]  The third one.
[17:06.600 --> 17:07.500]  I present.
[17:07.600 --> 17:08.540]  I will not present myself.
[17:13.600 --> 17:14.220]  One thing.
[17:14.500 --> 17:15.440]  Don't judge the book.
[17:15.620 --> 17:16.080]  But it's cover.
[17:16.860 --> 17:17.220]  We are.
[17:17.820 --> 17:18.540]  Mate hackers.
[17:18.760 --> 17:19.760]  Not an ad agency.
[17:20.120 --> 17:21.520]  So I'm sorry for the presentation.
[17:22.560 --> 17:24.240]  I'm really worried about the content.
[17:24.520 --> 17:25.580]  So that's a Mate 3.
[17:25.720 --> 17:27.060]  What I said in the beginning.
[17:27.700 --> 17:28.980]  If you can click join to now.
[17:29.080 --> 17:30.000]  I will just talk then.
[17:30.320 --> 17:31.140]  That's a monoculture.
[17:31.860 --> 17:34.020]  That's something that you see a lot in Brazil now.
[17:34.020 --> 17:34.780]  This is my...
[17:34.780 --> 17:35.700]  Not my small daughter.
[17:35.800 --> 17:36.420]  She's also there.
[17:36.540 --> 17:36.980]  She's beautiful.
[17:37.320 --> 17:38.460]  But a soya monoculture.
[17:38.660 --> 17:40.100]  And that's what you see there.
[17:40.540 --> 17:40.980]  Monoculture.
[17:41.240 --> 17:43.340]  And as the holy mate tree is holy for them.
[17:43.360 --> 17:44.000]  And it's useful.
[17:44.160 --> 17:44.780]  They don't cut it.
[17:44.880 --> 17:45.780]  They cut the whole forest.
[17:46.120 --> 17:47.780]  So many mate that comes out.
[17:47.980 --> 17:50.880]  It's mate harvest from the middle of monocultures of soya.
[17:51.020 --> 17:51.720]  Full pest seed.
[17:52.960 --> 17:53.840]  It's really...
[17:53.840 --> 17:56.140]  And that's a picture that shows in Araucaria.
[17:56.320 --> 17:59.420]  A very special tree that makes the roof of the forest.
[17:59.740 --> 18:00.620]  And you'll come to that later.
[18:00.800 --> 18:01.720]  Because you need the mate.
[18:01.820 --> 18:04.600]  A big difference between monoculture and forest.
[18:04.920 --> 18:07.380]  Is that in the forest it's in the shade of bigger trees.
[18:07.900 --> 18:09.360]  So whatever mate you have tried.
[18:09.700 --> 18:10.780]  Mostly from Argentina.
[18:11.320 --> 18:13.680]  They will come from monoculture where the trees are under the sun.
[18:13.800 --> 18:14.620]  It's fully bitter.
[18:15.000 --> 18:17.040]  If you get the mate from the forest to wild harvest.
[18:17.340 --> 18:18.260]  It will not be bitter.
[18:18.560 --> 18:19.900]  Because the tree is under the shade.
[18:20.260 --> 18:22.240]  The sun is a stress that makes it react.
[18:22.960 --> 18:24.560]  So it's a fully different quality.
[18:24.740 --> 18:26.120]  Not only that it's one species.
[18:26.240 --> 18:27.740]  It's the treatment of the plant.
[18:30.700 --> 18:32.600]  Let's go to the...
[18:32.600 --> 18:33.380]  Let's go...
[18:33.380 --> 18:34.800]  This is just the questions from the beginning.
[18:35.100 --> 18:35.820]  You can go further.
[18:37.200 --> 18:37.900]  And to stop there.
[18:38.380 --> 18:39.220]  Premium Collective.
[18:39.460 --> 18:43.680]  It's a company that started in Germany 13 years ago.
[18:43.860 --> 18:47.180]  And they are doing 1 million bottles a year.
[18:47.340 --> 18:48.920]  And they don't have employees.
[18:49.080 --> 18:50.340]  Don't have offices.
[18:50.380 --> 18:51.540]  Full swarm intelligence.
[18:52.080 --> 18:53.960]  They have some economical hacks.
[18:54.160 --> 18:55.660]  Like anti-quantity discount.
[18:56.000 --> 18:57.480]  The biggest a company is.
[18:57.640 --> 18:58.460]  The more they buy.
[18:58.660 --> 19:00.060]  The higher the unit price.
[19:01.300 --> 19:03.500]  They want to really change how economy works.
[19:04.080 --> 19:05.400]  They work in really a different way.
[19:05.520 --> 19:06.980]  We have a full presentation about them.
[19:07.860 --> 19:10.900]  And I give one example that we are very happy and proud.
[19:11.380 --> 19:13.160]  We explain the situation of the mate.
[19:13.160 --> 19:14.860]  And they decide we do a mate.
[19:15.200 --> 19:16.380]  And we offer to them.
[19:16.600 --> 19:19.360]  Our mate costs 13 euros the kilo for a reseller.
[19:19.740 --> 19:20.740]  23 to the consumer.
[19:21.120 --> 19:23.140]  And they said we want 100 kilos to make a lemonade.
[19:23.980 --> 19:24.460]  Say okay.
[19:24.680 --> 19:25.280]  100 kilos.
[19:25.500 --> 19:27.000]  1,300 euros.
[19:27.520 --> 19:28.100]  They say no.
[19:28.260 --> 19:28.860]  2,300.
[19:29.400 --> 19:30.520]  Normal price please.
[19:30.860 --> 19:32.380]  And they pay full price.
[19:32.660 --> 19:33.300]  Not discount.
[19:33.300 --> 19:34.800]  And they never put in their website.
[19:35.100 --> 19:36.000]  No advertising.
[19:36.960 --> 19:37.680]  So it's a full...
[19:37.680 --> 19:38.360]  Ah, and they don't...
[19:38.360 --> 19:41.580]  They have a request for U.S., Japan, Austria, for all over.
[19:41.800 --> 19:44.880]  They don't deliver more than 400 kilometers far away from their production.
[19:45.720 --> 19:46.460]  So it's a...
[19:46.460 --> 19:47.740]  There's economic hacking.
[19:48.000 --> 19:48.400]  And that's...
[19:48.400 --> 19:51.800]  They have helped elite mate, flora power, many mate producers.
[19:51.800 --> 19:52.580]  They helped to start.
[19:52.760 --> 19:53.460]  And then they say thanks.
[19:53.600 --> 19:53.820]  Go ahead.
[19:53.960 --> 19:54.420]  Go your way.
[19:54.720 --> 19:55.860]  They just share the knowledge.
[19:56.580 --> 19:59.580]  And by the way, they borrow me the money to pay the flight to come here.
[20:00.580 --> 20:02.640]  So it's a kind of just say thanks for them.
[20:02.740 --> 20:05.280]  And everything started for that guy in the bathtub.
[20:05.700 --> 20:06.280]  Uwe Lubermann.
[20:06.360 --> 20:07.760]  He was drinking his favorite cola.
[20:08.260 --> 20:10.240]  And notes, the taste changed.
[20:10.760 --> 20:11.360]  What's that?
[20:11.580 --> 20:12.820]  It's not so strong anymore.
[20:13.400 --> 20:18.000]  So he found out that someone bought the company, changed the recipe and didn't tell the consumers about it.
[20:18.480 --> 20:19.600]  He was pissed off.
[20:19.760 --> 20:25.280]  And in short, he went to a fence, gun pistols of water and kidnapped an executive with the press.
[20:25.280 --> 20:26.840]  He said, we want our cola back.
[20:28.160 --> 20:29.420]  And they didn't want to do it.
[20:29.520 --> 20:33.660]  So he created his own cola and found out the old recipe and put it on the market.
[20:33.940 --> 20:36.900]  And now it's a fully different approach to drink.
[20:37.160 --> 20:39.660]  And there's lots of this kind of approach going on.
[20:39.760 --> 20:42.800]  And Club-Mate is also a very respectful company doing this kind of thing.
[20:43.000 --> 20:45.100]  You don't see a Club-Mate advertising in Germany.
[20:45.640 --> 20:47.120]  It's fully like it's a product.
[20:47.280 --> 20:49.340]  They even say something else like you get used to it.
[20:50.000 --> 20:54.480]  And I went there and I asked, I want to start a permaculture project.
[20:54.480 --> 20:58.380]  I need the money for the first flights, contact with universities.
[20:58.700 --> 20:59.920]  They gave me the first money.
[21:00.120 --> 21:02.500]  You cannot read in the website from Club-Mate about it.
[21:03.460 --> 21:07.320]  So it's a kind of let's do the thing and not try to convince people that we are good.
[21:07.880 --> 21:10.720]  That's very strong in the form of communist Germany.
[21:10.720 --> 21:15.000]  And I think it's a beautiful spirit like we say colored...
[21:15.000 --> 21:15.960]  How do you say the sentence?
[21:16.980 --> 21:19.000]  Gold colored shit is still shit.
[21:21.380 --> 21:22.660]  And that's what I like.
[21:22.800 --> 21:23.760]  I'm a marketing person.
[21:23.820 --> 21:27.160]  So I like very much to refrain from these advertising strategies.
[21:29.520 --> 21:32.600]  You can go further in the questions because we'll come lots of slides.
[21:33.680 --> 21:35.320]  That I told you the myth already.
[21:35.500 --> 21:36.060]  Let's go further.
[21:36.200 --> 21:38.700]  We just click the slides and I'll stop when it's important.
[21:39.700 --> 21:40.560]  Hacker browser.
[21:41.020 --> 21:42.980]  There's a book from Jens Oleg.
[21:43.160 --> 21:43.800]  Next chart.
[21:45.000 --> 21:49.600]  He was the guy that in the Chaos Computer Club make the seminal presentation on how to start the hackerspace.
[21:50.440 --> 21:53.940]  Where one of the things that he says, buy a pallet of Club-Mate and amazing things will happen.
[21:55.420 --> 22:02.740]  And this guy also said, have a freezer for pizza but show nerds how to cook real food.
[22:03.400 --> 22:05.060]  And I think that's a very nice part.
[22:05.160 --> 22:08.660]  There's a project called Hacking with Care from Jeremy.
[22:09.020 --> 22:15.180]  If people know from Le Quadratour, the net, he started something just massage, food, good experience for hackers.
[22:15.860 --> 22:17.860]  To get out the stress and get you a nice life.
[22:20.180 --> 22:21.820]  Land grabbing, let's go.
[22:22.800 --> 22:24.240]  That's where Mathe comes from.
[22:24.340 --> 22:25.060]  It's the blue area.
[22:25.460 --> 22:25.900]  Interesting.
[22:26.020 --> 22:28.560]  It's one of the few things in the global world that didn't migrate.
[22:29.240 --> 22:31.520]  You have potatoes all over, tomato all over.
[22:31.740 --> 22:33.640]  Mathe only grows there where it still is.
[22:33.900 --> 22:37.180]  I doubt the Chinese didn't get it but I haven't seen.
[22:37.340 --> 22:40.280]  There's no Mathe come from outside of this area up to now.
[22:43.380 --> 22:46.580]  That I told you the story how the forest become a monoculture.
[22:46.840 --> 22:47.660]  Especially for soy.
[22:47.920 --> 22:49.420]  That's to feed the cattle here.
[22:49.880 --> 22:50.140]  Mostly.
[22:52.500 --> 22:53.020]  Monoculture.
[22:54.120 --> 22:55.760]  Let's just be clicking.
[22:58.140 --> 23:00.420]  Now I'd like to tell a little bit more.
[23:00.600 --> 23:01.580]  I'll take a Mathe.
[23:02.420 --> 23:03.400]  Want to start there?
[23:04.100 --> 23:05.140]  I will take a Mathe.
[23:05.140 --> 23:05.540]  There?
[23:07.000 --> 23:07.360]  No.
[23:07.660 --> 23:07.980]  No.
[23:08.300 --> 23:08.660]  No.
[23:09.040 --> 23:09.400]  Okay.
[23:09.540 --> 23:09.680]  Stop.
[23:09.780 --> 23:09.880]  Stop.
[23:09.960 --> 23:10.260]  Go back.
[23:10.340 --> 23:10.580]  I'll talk.
[23:10.680 --> 23:11.940]  I'll just have a dry mouth.
[23:14.020 --> 23:21.680]  So, in the beginning, it was agroforester old growth that were exchanged between them and feeding themselves.
[23:23.730 --> 23:25.980]  But also sending Mathe into urban settlements.
[23:25.980 --> 23:32.060]  Like even down to Buenos Aires, to all over the world, these people would produce, eat and send.
[23:32.400 --> 23:38.000]  Then came the new way, that is, monoculture feeds the industry.
[23:38.580 --> 23:40.760]  Agroforestile systems feed the industry.
[23:41.440 --> 23:43.100]  Old growth feeds the industry.
[23:43.400 --> 23:44.020]  Next chart.
[23:45.840 --> 23:52.760]  So that system runs, and what we are trying with our camuflated resistance is that old growth is used to feed their own people.
[23:53.480 --> 23:57.920]  We pack in an industry, vacuum pack to preserve, and ship to your urban settlement.
[23:58.320 --> 24:00.700]  By that, we give the autonomy from these people here.
[24:01.780 --> 24:04.040]  It's sustainable because they care of their own forest.
[24:04.340 --> 24:07.340]  If you go and harvest the forest for someone else, there's nothing left.
[24:07.540 --> 24:08.920]  People go and they cut the trees just.
[24:09.100 --> 24:10.760]  Because it's easier, they are paid for kilos.
[24:11.240 --> 24:12.720]  So there's no care for the forest.
[24:12.880 --> 24:14.440]  If you care for your own forest, it's different.
[24:15.040 --> 24:18.060]  Higher income, they decide the price, not the industry.
[24:18.840 --> 24:20.960]  You have much better input output for the nature.
[24:22.900 --> 24:24.300]  Ah, that should... welcome back.
[24:24.460 --> 24:25.320]  That was the first chart.
[24:26.000 --> 24:27.060]  That one I did myself.
[24:29.580 --> 24:30.980]  So, this also I did.
[24:31.180 --> 24:33.040]  So this is the system, how it goes.
[24:33.420 --> 24:36.800]  Then the next part, we have autonomous permaculture now.
[24:37.020 --> 24:41.280]  We are planting the needs, and we're planting the wood to dry the matte also, with different tastes.
[24:42.380 --> 24:44.720]  Then it goes to the industry, and the first thing went to Berlin.
[24:44.720 --> 24:47.240]  We did a matte beer under CC license.
[24:47.620 --> 24:48.620]  We did the matte chocolate.
[24:48.940 --> 24:49.680]  Let's go slowly.
[24:49.960 --> 24:52.440]  Vapor cups, cosmetics, everything on matte.
[24:53.440 --> 24:56.420]  And like in Czech, they ate three kinds of matte beer.
[24:56.740 --> 24:57.920]  They do the straws.
[24:58.180 --> 24:59.880]  This is now Delray Beach, Florida.
[24:59.960 --> 25:00.860]  It just came from there.
[25:01.040 --> 25:02.880]  We found out the city is famous from pineapple.
[25:02.880 --> 25:07.060]  So they are into a project to make an alcohol-free pineapple matte beer.
[25:07.600 --> 25:11.660]  And the very nice thing, when you do those developments, we put a CC license.
[25:12.300 --> 25:16.420]  All the matte beer that we see, you go to our sites and see all the license.
[25:16.600 --> 25:17.600]  And what happened with that?
[25:18.080 --> 25:22.080]  In Brazil now, there is ten different kinds of matte beer having there.
[25:22.440 --> 25:25.540]  There is courses how to make your own beer where the matte is produced.
[25:26.320 --> 25:30.060]  And these people there in Brazil, they never saw a bottle of Club-Mate.
[25:30.280 --> 25:32.760]  They never have one soft drink with matte.
[25:32.940 --> 25:35.040]  All that they know is Coca-Cola and Pepsi-Cola.
[25:36.100 --> 25:36.820]  So it's a kind of...
[25:36.820 --> 25:40.480]  But this concept of creating the way of using, you give it back, you make it circulate.
[25:40.900 --> 25:45.060]  And that's what the backbone, what we want with the matte hacking space.
[25:45.180 --> 25:49.740]  To bring back to these people possibility for economical prosperity and to take care of the forest.
[25:52.320 --> 25:58.720]  One said, I don't know, but Unhoused Bush, a big beer company from the U.S., launched a matte beer in Brazil.
[25:59.420 --> 26:00.860]  And that's something for us to learn.
[26:01.000 --> 26:05.700]  We give all the information for free creative commons and still have unemployed money.
[26:06.040 --> 26:08.740]  It might change in the future, but it's something to see...
[26:09.500 --> 26:14.420]  Yeah, it's nothing wrong to get money, but it's like just to share information, something that's getting in my mind.
[26:14.520 --> 26:15.020]  How can it be?
[26:15.100 --> 26:18.380]  We share everything and then come amass one and just get the things done.
[26:19.940 --> 26:22.520]  It's subject to talk downstairs in the MetaMatte Club.
[26:22.720 --> 26:24.460]  If someone has ideas to help in this direction.
[26:25.540 --> 26:26.280]  Next chart.
[26:28.000 --> 26:28.880]  You're good on time.
[26:31.880 --> 26:33.200]  Okay, what do we do in Brazil?
[26:33.460 --> 26:37.220]  I go to the press, to radio, go here and there and talk about the farmers.
[26:37.420 --> 26:39.360]  This boy, he is four generations doing matte.
[26:39.760 --> 26:43.340]  He has slept in the house where matte is dried as his father and grandfather.
[26:43.760 --> 26:47.080]  And he's still doing and he came back from the city to work with his parents.
[26:47.880 --> 26:49.580]  So it's kind of trying to tell...
[26:49.580 --> 26:51.220]  The people are proud about this work.
[26:51.340 --> 26:53.480]  They do a very traditional thing, but it doesn't exist anymore.
[26:57.140 --> 26:58.060]  Let's go further.
[26:58.240 --> 26:58.720]  What do we do?
[26:58.940 --> 27:00.520]  This is the Matte Association in Brazil.
[27:00.700 --> 27:03.300]  With the farmers and the people who support from there.
[27:03.980 --> 27:08.300]  This I go to agriculture schools there to talk about it.
[27:08.300 --> 27:10.580]  And then you see the real matte hackers there.
[27:10.760 --> 27:12.720]  With their computer hanging through the trees.
[27:13.040 --> 27:14.800]  And playing there and drinking their matte.
[27:18.060 --> 27:18.540]  And...
[27:18.540 --> 27:21.020]  It jumped one chart there, unfortunately.
[27:21.140 --> 27:24.500]  I think the commercial was wrong, but there was the association in Germany as well.
[27:24.740 --> 27:25.660]  Let's go further.
[27:26.400 --> 27:29.420]  We took 30 samples of matte and brought it to our university in 2011.
[27:29.420 --> 27:30.800]  So you have a first thing.
[27:30.960 --> 27:34.160]  What people get from each kind of quality of matte.
[27:36.000 --> 27:37.340]  We took the drinks also.
[27:37.500 --> 27:39.100]  Also the Club-Mate and see...
[27:39.100 --> 27:40.300]  And the other ones.
[27:40.380 --> 27:41.500]  What they want for a taste.
[27:42.380 --> 27:43.880]  What people recognize from it.
[27:44.000 --> 27:45.580]  Try to learn what people know.
[27:45.740 --> 27:46.860]  And can I come back?
[27:47.680 --> 27:51.040]  And we found out from artisanal matte to industrial, manufacturer.
[27:51.040 --> 27:54.960]  What people want to drink or want not.
[27:57.780 --> 27:59.560]  And the most nice thing.
[28:00.020 --> 28:01.780]  Oh, the stuff that makes you happy.
[28:01.980 --> 28:03.220]  I'm sorry for the presentation.
[28:03.440 --> 28:04.720]  This got messed up.
[28:05.040 --> 28:06.500]  Is studies on theobromine.
[28:06.660 --> 28:12.080]  We found that big leaves of matte has up to 80% more theobromine than the not ones.
[28:12.180 --> 28:12.800]  The small ones.
[28:13.040 --> 28:15.460]  Because the whole monoculture is only one species.
[28:16.200 --> 28:17.500]  So we got in the forest.
[28:18.360 --> 28:21.400]  They have 80% more of theobromine than the others.
[28:24.060 --> 28:25.820]  People say that matte makes cancer.
[28:26.160 --> 28:28.700]  We ask a student from Germany to make a master's study on it.
[28:28.820 --> 28:29.660]  She went to Brazil.
[28:29.840 --> 28:31.180]  Collected all the kinds of samples.
[28:31.480 --> 28:32.980]  Tried to research university.
[28:33.320 --> 28:34.940]  Both in Germany and in Brazil.
[28:35.260 --> 28:37.240]  No university wants to let her go into the labs.
[28:37.500 --> 28:39.200]  Because cancer is such a serious thing.
[28:39.420 --> 28:41.040]  That the professor didn't want to allow it.
[28:41.380 --> 28:43.740]  We made a crowdfunding to pay private lab.
[28:44.080 --> 28:44.740]  And she went there.
[28:44.980 --> 28:45.660]  And there is a report.
[28:45.660 --> 28:47.840]  Like an independent report.
[28:48.500 --> 28:48.860]  About it.
[28:49.460 --> 28:50.960]  So this kind of activities that we do.
[28:51.100 --> 28:52.460]  To try to clarify for us.
[28:52.580 --> 28:53.260]  And to the consumer.
[28:53.600 --> 28:54.520]  What's behind the matte.
[28:56.440 --> 28:58.380]  Ah, that's the thing on the theobromine.
[28:58.680 --> 29:00.500]  You see like this green one here.
[29:01.760 --> 29:03.020]  This is the big leaves.
[29:03.540 --> 29:05.240]  Like much higher than the average.
[29:05.520 --> 29:08.320]  The last three blue ones are not matte.
[29:08.320 --> 29:09.520]  But it's a kind of a reference.
[29:09.960 --> 29:11.400]  So chemicals that they use.
[29:13.400 --> 29:14.500]  This is my elder son.
[29:14.860 --> 29:15.460]  Holding a matte tree.
[29:15.620 --> 29:16.160]  Last harvest.
[29:16.340 --> 29:17.260]  Two months ago in Brazil.
[29:18.060 --> 29:20.040]  And that's what you have a chance to try downstairs.
[29:20.860 --> 29:22.060]  Two months old matte.
[29:22.360 --> 29:23.060]  Harvest from the forest.
[29:24.180 --> 29:25.200]  We have done a chart.
[29:25.560 --> 29:26.280]  That's also downstairs.
[29:26.700 --> 29:27.600]  All kinds of matte.
[29:27.780 --> 29:28.480]  And what it offers.
[29:28.780 --> 29:29.580]  So you can go really.
[29:29.760 --> 29:30.840]  And see the details on it.
[29:31.220 --> 29:32.280]  That matte is not matte.
[29:32.360 --> 29:33.080]  There's a real difference.
[29:33.080 --> 29:34.200]  I'm talking about the plant.
[29:34.460 --> 29:36.260]  Not about the Club-Mate.
[29:37.640 --> 29:38.680]  What we learn now.
[29:38.920 --> 29:40.020]  Bio and fair trade.
[29:40.400 --> 29:41.720]  Means not so much.
[29:42.960 --> 29:44.260]  Especially the fair trade.
[29:44.600 --> 29:45.660]  If you are independent farmer.
[29:45.780 --> 29:46.680]  You cannot be fair trade.
[29:46.900 --> 29:48.440]  You have to have a salary from someone else.
[29:49.140 --> 29:50.560]  And you see the experience in cacao.
[29:50.780 --> 29:51.760]  In coffee in Colombia.
[29:52.000 --> 29:53.320]  After 20 years of fair trade.
[29:53.400 --> 29:54.880]  They have 10% higher wage.
[29:55.720 --> 29:57.080]  They still in the miserable age.
[29:57.500 --> 29:59.280]  So the question of being autonomous.
[29:59.560 --> 30:00.940]  Is a fully different approach to them.
[30:02.460 --> 30:03.560]  Can we go further?
[30:03.720 --> 30:04.700]  We created that label.
[30:04.980 --> 30:05.560]  Fairtrust then.
[30:05.940 --> 30:06.640]  We put in the labels.
[30:06.840 --> 30:08.360]  And other friends also are using it.
[30:08.580 --> 30:09.820]  So we just say fairtrust.
[30:09.920 --> 30:10.780]  Go in our website.
[30:11.040 --> 30:12.520]  And if you go to the meta matte.
[30:12.900 --> 30:14.000]  You can see the harvest.
[30:14.100 --> 30:14.980]  And you go to the georefer.
[30:15.040 --> 30:16.080]  And see how etch harvest.
[30:16.160 --> 30:16.980]  Where it was taken.
[30:17.200 --> 30:17.880]  With the Google Earth.
[30:17.880 --> 30:19.020]  You can see exactly where it comes.
[30:19.180 --> 30:20.460]  And you have the telephone of the farmer.
[30:20.600 --> 30:21.660]  And the price you pay for them.
[30:22.400 --> 30:24.360]  And this way we are not fair trade certified.
[30:24.440 --> 30:25.680]  You just give it all information.
[30:28.600 --> 30:29.840]  Wild versus monoculture.
[30:29.840 --> 30:31.020]  Just to understand this chart.
[30:31.280 --> 30:32.380]  Top left is a forest.
[30:32.540 --> 30:32.920]  Old Grove.
[30:33.060 --> 30:34.780]  Top right is a monoculture.
[30:34.960 --> 30:36.220]  And there are several stages in between.
[30:37.600 --> 30:39.520]  And the forest you have different levels.
[30:40.100 --> 30:40.440]  Height.
[30:40.640 --> 30:43.720]  Genetical difference between them.
[30:44.100 --> 30:45.060]  Small rooms.
[30:45.320 --> 30:47.180]  And much more network between the trees.
[30:48.260 --> 30:49.680]  You can jump this one.
[30:49.680 --> 30:50.840]  So forest.
[30:51.140 --> 30:52.280]  You have more diversity.
[30:52.720 --> 30:53.240]  More network.
[30:55.920 --> 30:56.940]  Much more resilience.
[30:58.440 --> 31:01.740]  The energy that you need to maintain a monoculture is much higher.
[31:03.140 --> 31:04.400]  You need more care.
[31:04.640 --> 31:05.620]  Also personal care there.
[31:05.800 --> 31:07.180]  Than in the forest of permaculture.
[31:07.540 --> 31:09.160]  CO2 emission is much higher.
[31:09.360 --> 31:10.740]  To maintain a monoculture.
[31:10.920 --> 31:12.000]  Than to have a permaculture.
[31:15.540 --> 31:17.180]  The problems with the permaculture.
[31:17.320 --> 31:19.280]  It's that it has to be carefully designed.
[31:20.120 --> 31:23.220]  And even being carefully designed is learning by error.
[31:23.460 --> 31:24.980]  We planted 2000 mati trees.
[31:25.300 --> 31:26.700]  And more than half died.
[31:26.900 --> 31:28.020]  Because we didn't know how to take care.
[31:28.460 --> 31:29.340]  Properly in the beginning.
[31:29.600 --> 31:30.260]  So there is...
[31:30.260 --> 31:31.260]  And you need people there.
[31:31.600 --> 31:31.820]  And...
[31:31.820 --> 31:32.780]  But we are in the process.
[31:33.000 --> 31:33.440]  Even being...
[31:33.440 --> 31:34.060]  I want to say...
[31:34.060 --> 31:36.840]  Even being careful planted doesn't mean it's a success with trees.
[31:36.840 --> 31:38.320]  It takes time to grow a forest.
[31:41.340 --> 31:42.600]  The plan and the execution.
[31:42.760 --> 31:43.520]  That is some examples.
[31:43.600 --> 31:44.760]  Now I hope come some pictures.
[31:46.360 --> 31:47.460]  Let's stop in this chart.
[31:47.620 --> 31:49.060]  To just show what is here.
[31:49.200 --> 31:50.900]  I have many pictures of it.
[31:51.540 --> 31:52.940]  If one's come downstairs.
[31:53.160 --> 31:53.920]  I can see the execution.
[31:54.580 --> 31:55.460]  But top left there.
[31:55.680 --> 31:56.280]  Is old growth.
[31:56.900 --> 31:58.740]  And where you see the two small logos there.
[31:58.940 --> 32:00.420]  Clove mati and metamati.
[32:00.580 --> 32:02.220]  It's like a ewe inside of the forest.
[32:02.420 --> 32:03.340]  And that's what we blocked.
[32:03.540 --> 32:05.420]  We planted big trees around the araucaria.
[32:05.420 --> 32:06.820]  And put mati inside.
[32:07.040 --> 32:09.280]  And you need the farmers that live nearby.
[32:09.500 --> 32:10.580]  To see which food they want.
[32:10.960 --> 32:12.300]  Because these families of farmers.
[32:12.460 --> 32:13.440]  That family of farmers.
[32:13.740 --> 32:16.480]  They all work for big owners of monoculture.
[32:17.420 --> 32:18.980]  So they don't produce real food.
[32:19.320 --> 32:20.100]  Properly for them.
[32:20.320 --> 32:21.620]  Maybe some corn for their cows.
[32:21.760 --> 32:22.400]  But nothing else.
[32:22.540 --> 32:23.800]  They have to go to the city to get food.
[32:24.320 --> 32:26.280]  So the idea is to make more community.
[32:27.000 --> 32:27.440]  Mati.
[32:28.000 --> 32:28.440]  Permaculture.
[32:28.580 --> 32:30.360]  Where they can have everything to produce mati.
[32:30.540 --> 32:32.200]  There are all people in those houses here.
[32:32.240 --> 32:33.240]  That used to produce mati.
[32:33.280 --> 32:34.060]  They didn't have the knowledge.
[32:34.660 --> 32:36.160]  I was in this family here.
[32:36.380 --> 32:36.860]  On my birthday.
[32:37.420 --> 32:38.220]  And the lady said.
[32:38.340 --> 32:39.400]  Ah, it's your birthday tomorrow.
[32:39.640 --> 32:40.680]  I will make mati for you.
[32:40.800 --> 32:40.980]  I said.
[32:41.060 --> 32:41.480]  How come?
[32:41.540 --> 32:42.180]  It's so fast.
[32:42.620 --> 32:43.840]  I have to bake bread tomorrow.
[32:44.000 --> 32:44.920]  So I use the same oven.
[32:45.140 --> 32:45.640]  I go there.
[32:45.760 --> 32:46.380]  Collect the leaves.
[32:46.560 --> 32:47.220]  I bake my bread.
[32:47.420 --> 32:48.480]  Take the bread out of the oven.
[32:48.560 --> 32:49.300]  Put the mati inside.
[32:50.360 --> 32:51.620]  And then I have my birthday.
[32:51.660 --> 32:53.120]  A mati that was done one day before.
[32:53.720 --> 32:54.460]  And these people.
[32:54.480 --> 32:56.160]  They all work for that in the past.
[32:56.360 --> 32:57.820]  But this knowledge is kind of getting lost.
[32:58.360 --> 32:59.620]  And here's what we found.
[33:00.940 --> 33:02.400]  10 kilometers away.
[33:02.640 --> 33:03.360]  Oh, that's the place.
[33:03.500 --> 33:05.360]  A photo of the area where we are.
[33:05.460 --> 33:06.060]  On the top.
[33:06.180 --> 33:06.780]  And that U there.
[33:06.880 --> 33:07.900]  That's what's closed now.
[33:11.670 --> 33:12.720]  Ah, one beautiful thing.
[33:12.800 --> 33:14.140]  This is also a recruiting session.
[33:14.260 --> 33:15.420]  And I thought you would like to see it.
[33:15.480 --> 33:16.400]  This is called Sputnik.
[33:16.400 --> 33:19.420]  And every third family has a machine like that.
[33:19.580 --> 33:20.720]  They build their own vehicles.
[33:21.460 --> 33:22.400]  There's no license.
[33:22.560 --> 33:23.620]  They cannot drive in the city.
[33:23.800 --> 33:26.060]  But everybody in the countryside has their own cars.
[33:26.500 --> 33:28.160]  And they are really funny machine.
[33:28.320 --> 33:30.020]  Each one very different from the other.
[33:30.340 --> 33:32.500]  Sometimes jumping, boiling water in the front.
[33:32.800 --> 33:34.160]  And really wild.
[33:34.360 --> 33:36.420]  And they need all kinds of tools there.
[33:36.500 --> 33:37.220]  I think it's great.
[33:37.240 --> 33:38.600]  We have fab labs.
[33:38.620 --> 33:40.300]  We have a makerspace in urban centers.
[33:40.640 --> 33:43.020]  But I think anyone that loves those spaces and go there.
[33:43.300 --> 33:44.800]  We have a world of needs.
[33:44.800 --> 33:46.180]  And very simple.
[33:46.560 --> 33:47.200]  Cutting mat.
[33:47.380 --> 33:48.220]  They use there.
[33:48.960 --> 33:49.780]  This big...
[33:49.780 --> 33:50.580]  How do you call the knife?
[33:50.740 --> 33:51.100]  The big one?
[33:52.020 --> 33:52.460]  Manchette.
[33:52.640 --> 33:53.300]  They use to cut.
[33:53.400 --> 33:54.800]  And they cut even their fingers sometimes.
[33:55.220 --> 33:59.400]  So there are people now selling electrical scissors for $4,000 for them.
[34:00.460 --> 34:02.760]  So you have a globe that you don't cut your finger.
[34:02.880 --> 34:03.480]  Very high tech.
[34:04.140 --> 34:05.980]  We brought from Germany for 30 euros.
[34:06.260 --> 34:08.320]  A long scissor with telescopic arms.
[34:10.220 --> 34:11.060]  Very easy.
[34:11.320 --> 34:12.340]  No electricity needed.
[34:12.560 --> 34:13.180]  Very easy job.
[34:13.300 --> 34:13.720]  Very safe.
[34:13.720 --> 34:15.140]  They don't have to climb the trees anymore.
[34:15.540 --> 34:16.420]  Just the idea.
[34:16.740 --> 34:18.460]  Don't bring the new information.
[34:18.460 --> 34:19.620]  How can you do the process?
[34:20.800 --> 34:24.180]  And that's the beginning where we start to plant the araucarias around the area.
[34:26.140 --> 34:28.000]  Taking the trees from the thing.
[34:28.260 --> 34:29.480]  And that's like an end planning.
[34:29.620 --> 34:30.680]  We can go further.
[34:30.870 --> 34:31.700]  It's just...
[34:31.700 --> 34:33.040]  It's now in that area.
[34:33.240 --> 34:34.740]  Can go one more chart.
[34:35.740 --> 34:38.180]  That area there is now 2,000 trees planted.
[34:38.580 --> 34:40.020]  Probably now there is 1,000 only.
[34:40.220 --> 34:41.520]  And we have to replace this year.
[34:41.640 --> 34:43.980]  So the permaculture from Club-Mate is running.
[34:44.240 --> 34:47.660]  But what we want to talk is the hacking space.
[34:47.820 --> 34:49.700]  Let's try to go faster to that now.
[34:50.140 --> 34:53.000]  And that's the thing that's 10 kilometers far away from there.
[34:53.740 --> 34:55.280]  That was on sale there.
[34:55.950 --> 34:56.620]  Next chart.
[34:57.160 --> 34:57.340]  Yeah.
[34:57.620 --> 34:58.980]  This is on sale.
[34:59.240 --> 35:00.120]  And we got to stop.
[35:00.260 --> 35:01.960]  Because the son of the owner.
[35:02.100 --> 35:03.000]  The owner passed away.
[35:03.140 --> 35:04.100]  It's like 20 years old.
[35:04.240 --> 35:06.000]  And he has a good heart.
[35:06.160 --> 35:08.060]  And that I give to you the land for a while.
[35:08.320 --> 35:08.910]  Try to buy it.
[35:09.000 --> 35:09.740]  Make a crowdfunding.
[35:09.740 --> 35:11.300]  But we got like the documents.
[35:11.430 --> 35:12.300]  We can use that land.
[35:12.450 --> 35:12.840]  That forest.
[35:13.500 --> 35:14.430]  And underneath it.
[35:14.660 --> 35:16.060]  There is this 20 houses of people.
[35:16.320 --> 35:17.340]  Who have the knowledge.
[35:17.820 --> 35:18.680]  But have no jobs.
[35:19.340 --> 35:20.980]  Have nothing here to do.
[35:21.180 --> 35:22.320]  So that's the idea to use.
[35:22.760 --> 35:24.320]  And that space there is on sale.
[35:24.450 --> 35:25.120]  There is a barn.
[35:25.950 --> 35:27.370]  There is an old house.
[35:27.820 --> 35:28.820]  There is old growth.
[35:29.280 --> 35:30.580]  There is a kind of agro forest.
[35:30.700 --> 35:31.560]  Where there is ems.
[35:31.740 --> 35:34.240]  Smate trees planted with other things in between.
[35:34.410 --> 35:35.040]  They did already.
[35:35.260 --> 35:36.140]  But most smate.
[35:36.410 --> 35:37.580]  Where the cat is.
[35:37.700 --> 35:39.320]  Is mostly old growth.
[35:39.320 --> 35:40.280]  On the left.
[35:40.460 --> 35:41.340]  There is a water source.
[35:41.500 --> 35:42.120]  And fields.
[35:42.720 --> 35:44.340]  Could be for medicinal herbs.
[35:44.600 --> 35:45.800]  Could be whatever we like.
[35:46.000 --> 35:47.720]  But that's the playground.
[35:48.200 --> 35:48.600]  That we have.
[35:51.620 --> 35:52.340]  Jens Olig.
[35:52.450 --> 35:53.930]  Who make that book on hacker browser.
[35:54.390 --> 35:55.980]  The man who make the blue print.
[35:56.240 --> 35:57.370]  Of how to create a hacker space.
[35:57.640 --> 35:59.200]  Is a member of our association.
[35:59.580 --> 36:00.060]  In Germany.
[36:00.280 --> 36:01.890]  Is one of the supporters of this project.
[36:03.100 --> 36:04.640]  And what is needed to create.
[36:04.840 --> 36:04.980]  Ah.
[36:05.080 --> 36:06.200]  This is a chart about the wood.
[36:06.540 --> 36:07.060]  Let's go back.
[36:07.460 --> 36:08.480]  This is eucalyptus.
[36:08.480 --> 36:10.200]  You see in every mate factory.
[36:10.220 --> 36:11.720]  They have the eucalyptus stored.
[36:12.430 --> 36:14.140]  And most of them that I visit.
[36:14.370 --> 36:15.520]  You see forests burning.
[36:16.340 --> 36:17.200]  They have the storage.
[36:17.820 --> 36:19.430]  Of proper monoculture.
[36:19.660 --> 36:19.910]  To burn.
[36:20.340 --> 36:20.980]  To dry the mate.
[36:21.460 --> 36:22.680]  And when you go into the machine.
[36:22.910 --> 36:23.300]  In the oven.
[36:23.300 --> 36:25.000]  It's wild wood burning.
[36:25.890 --> 36:26.320]  It's wild wood burning.
[36:26.320 --> 36:27.560]  That's a sign of deforestation.
[36:28.450 --> 36:28.800]  It's cheaper.
[36:29.280 --> 36:30.980]  Or someone needs to buy new land.
[36:31.100 --> 36:31.870]  To plant more soya.
[36:32.370 --> 36:33.320]  And what to do with the wood.
[36:33.960 --> 36:35.000]  So you get even an income.
[36:35.930 --> 36:36.890]  And that's we need new.
[36:37.220 --> 36:38.060]  Electric solution.
[36:38.340 --> 36:39.430]  That's our first family.
[36:39.910 --> 36:40.280]  Mate farmers.
[36:40.430 --> 36:41.700]  That's how we pound our mate.
[36:42.080 --> 36:44.040]  It's a big machine connected to the river.
[36:44.640 --> 36:46.260]  The whole mate is produced without electricity.
[36:46.260 --> 36:48.660]  But we have also in the neighborhood there.
[36:48.820 --> 36:50.200]  Where the Club-Mate project is.
[36:50.390 --> 36:51.370]  An old turbine.
[36:52.260 --> 36:54.200]  The grandfather used to produce his own electricity.
[36:54.640 --> 36:55.140]  Now they stop.
[36:55.340 --> 36:56.200]  There is no prosperity.
[36:56.370 --> 36:56.870]  Nothing going.
[36:57.120 --> 36:58.960]  But they used to have their own electricity there.
[36:59.640 --> 37:02.280]  And now they have from the city council.
[37:02.640 --> 37:03.160]  Something there.
[37:03.680 --> 37:06.370]  So that's also potential for us to develop energy source.
[37:06.600 --> 37:07.320]  For rural areas.
[37:09.680 --> 37:10.600]  What is need?
[37:11.080 --> 37:12.740]  So that's why I'm coming here.
[37:13.680 --> 37:15.000]  Recruiting people for.
[37:15.000 --> 37:15.100]  Well.
[37:15.680 --> 37:16.220]  The first thing.
[37:16.370 --> 37:17.840]  We created matahack.org.
[37:18.240 --> 37:18.950]  Don't go there.
[37:19.040 --> 37:19.410]  It's a shame.
[37:19.500 --> 37:21.080]  Or go there if you are a weak gardener.
[37:21.260 --> 37:22.410]  And want to help us.
[37:22.600 --> 37:23.280]  Because I'm not.
[37:23.460 --> 37:24.520]  I'm busy in something else.
[37:25.080 --> 37:25.580]  First thing.
[37:25.640 --> 37:27.930]  We need someone that can collect all the information to have.
[37:28.000 --> 37:29.620]  And put available for the people.
[37:31.240 --> 37:33.180]  Commons enthusiastic to conceptualize.
[37:33.280 --> 37:34.450]  And implement the use of forest.
[37:35.120 --> 37:36.260]  We got the certification.
[37:36.480 --> 37:37.870]  This forest is for us for use.
[37:37.960 --> 37:38.960]  The first thing that I come.
[37:39.020 --> 37:40.020]  Is a grandmother on the road.
[37:40.240 --> 37:40.430]  Ask me.
[37:40.500 --> 37:41.300]  You are the new owner.
[37:41.450 --> 37:41.980]  I said yes.
[37:42.340 --> 37:43.910]  Can I collect wood for my oven?
[37:44.950 --> 37:47.180]  And it hurt me to say no.
[37:48.410 --> 37:50.840]  Because if I allow her to get wood for her oven.
[37:51.160 --> 37:52.040]  Her son.
[37:52.760 --> 37:53.480]  Her niece.
[37:54.140 --> 37:55.540]  Her cousins from the city.
[37:55.840 --> 37:57.660]  Might come to collect wood for her oven.
[37:58.020 --> 37:58.890]  And sell wood.
[37:59.780 --> 38:01.800]  And then it's under my name the land now.
[38:01.960 --> 38:03.930]  I can be sued for deforestation.
[38:04.480 --> 38:06.260]  So it's horrible to have the commons.
[38:06.390 --> 38:07.370]  And the first thing you have to do.
[38:07.950 --> 38:09.180]  You have to cut the entrance.
[38:09.910 --> 38:10.430]  I don't know.
[38:10.540 --> 38:11.640]  These people need education.
[38:12.060 --> 38:14.980]  That's the example of the Brazilian indigenous tribes in the north.
[38:15.140 --> 38:15.870]  It's a huge fight.
[38:15.870 --> 38:18.280]  The moment they give land to indigenous tribes.
[38:18.620 --> 38:19.620]  They start to fight inside.
[38:19.890 --> 38:21.280]  Because many of the indigenous tribes.
[38:21.580 --> 38:22.760]  There is the Suruese.
[38:23.280 --> 38:24.500]  They are like 5,000 people.
[38:24.680 --> 38:26.100]  And have so much land as Belgium.
[38:27.000 --> 38:28.000]  They are very rich.
[38:28.160 --> 38:29.020]  They don't have food to eat.
[38:29.200 --> 38:30.020]  But they have so much.
[38:30.100 --> 38:31.500]  If you divide the land for each of them.
[38:31.620 --> 38:32.370]  They are so rich.
[38:32.500 --> 38:33.180]  So what do they want to do?
[38:33.580 --> 38:34.480]  Sell my part.
[38:34.480 --> 38:35.560]  I want 3 cars.
[38:35.760 --> 38:37.000]  I want 6 televisions.
[38:37.180 --> 38:37.680]  I don't know what.
[38:38.370 --> 38:39.870]  So the first thing you give the land.
[38:40.220 --> 38:41.300]  They want to sell the wood.
[38:42.200 --> 38:44.520]  So we need lots of education for the people.
[38:44.660 --> 38:46.340]  How to work for forest as a commons.
[38:47.760 --> 38:48.560]  Drying alternative.
[38:49.580 --> 38:49.980]  Biohacking.
[38:50.840 --> 38:51.640]  Energy production.
[38:52.280 --> 38:52.560]  Tools.
[38:52.840 --> 38:53.240]  Vehicles.
[38:53.740 --> 38:54.540]  Spin-off productions.
[38:55.450 --> 38:57.910]  We can make from medicines to the research.
[38:58.100 --> 38:58.930]  What else MATE has.
[38:59.120 --> 39:00.390]  It doesn't have to be MATE connected.
[39:00.600 --> 39:02.200]  It can be also for the food for the locals.
[39:04.080 --> 39:06.020]  And just one shot back.
[39:09.320 --> 39:11.060]  There is then the possibility.
[39:12.120 --> 39:13.320]  Downstairs to go in depth.
[39:13.820 --> 39:15.520]  I want to have questions now if you have.
[39:16.120 --> 39:18.520]  And we do in Berlin caffeine hackathons.
[39:18.890 --> 39:20.000]  We're also social.
[39:20.200 --> 39:22.480]  But also they develop on coffee machines.
[39:22.680 --> 39:23.100]  Open source.
[39:23.390 --> 39:25.060]  So they become the whole geeks there.
[39:25.140 --> 39:26.680]  And produce things to get caffeinated.
[39:26.930 --> 39:27.820]  And it's in our space.
[39:27.950 --> 39:29.820]  And then we will be discussing it again there.
[39:29.930 --> 39:31.080]  On September 10th.
[39:31.660 --> 39:32.780]  Last chart now.
[39:33.240 --> 39:34.280]  For whom we were doing that.
[39:35.680 --> 39:36.890]  First thing for the forest.
[39:37.060 --> 39:37.840]  By doing this project.
[39:38.120 --> 39:39.100]  It's a small thing.
[39:39.240 --> 39:40.020]  It's 12 hectares.
[39:40.760 --> 39:42.260]  But we can set a model there.
[39:42.780 --> 39:43.720]  Legalize those farmers.
[39:44.000 --> 39:45.580]  And give technology for other farmers.
[39:46.480 --> 39:47.390]  For the farmers.
[39:47.560 --> 39:49.100]  That's the man that cut the finger there.
[39:50.720 --> 39:52.500]  That's my daughter eating MATE there.
[39:52.500 --> 39:54.740]  For the children also to have a better product.
[39:54.800 --> 39:55.480]  A better quality.
[39:56.620 --> 39:57.660]  And thank you so much.
[39:58.020 --> 39:58.460]  And...
[40:08.870 --> 40:10.030]  That's another presentation.
[40:10.250 --> 40:13.110]  If someone wants to know about MATE beer.
[40:13.130 --> 40:13.710]  And those things.
[40:13.730 --> 40:14.310]  What we did.
[40:14.430 --> 40:15.470]  It's also everything there.
[40:15.690 --> 40:17.490]  We can even try to do something live there.
[40:18.730 --> 40:20.850]  So now is question and answer.
[40:21.070 --> 40:23.890]  We have some five, six minutes.
[40:25.030 --> 40:25.650]  Please.
[40:28.420 --> 40:29.140]  Yes.
[40:33.050 --> 40:35.370]  I cannot hear very well.
[40:35.370 --> 40:36.010]  Sorry.
[40:36.570 --> 40:38.470]  I just heard so there's a very big difference between.
[40:38.710 --> 40:41.590]  Like it is a Guayaquil versus like a Rosamate.
[40:41.850 --> 40:42.890]  Like why is that?
[40:42.970 --> 40:43.650]  Why is it so different?
[40:46.070 --> 40:48.490]  Guayaquil starts sourcing from Paraguay.
[40:48.950 --> 40:50.690]  That also has lots of wild source.
[40:51.030 --> 40:52.890]  So that has a forest shaded.
[40:53.270 --> 40:54.050]  That's the thing.
[40:54.250 --> 40:55.770]  And it's a very good company.
[40:56.150 --> 40:57.290]  I must say Guayaquil is one of...
[40:57.290 --> 41:01.450]  I think besides the Metamate is the only two brands from outside.
[41:01.610 --> 41:02.310]  There are some others.
[41:02.490 --> 41:04.490]  But from outside of South America.
[41:04.490 --> 41:05.650]  Because we start from Berlin.
[41:05.830 --> 41:06.770]  They start from California.
[41:07.050 --> 41:09.030]  And they are doing lots of reforestation.
[41:09.290 --> 41:12.970]  But one thing they are doing reforestation under the industry based program.
[41:13.330 --> 41:15.850]  The farmers collect the leaves and they live in the industry.
[41:16.410 --> 41:17.790]  Different to what we are trying to do.
[41:17.930 --> 41:19.870]  That the farmer collect the leaves and dry it.
[41:20.410 --> 41:21.970]  And give us end product on the end.
[41:22.670 --> 41:24.390]  But still it's a very good.
[41:24.530 --> 41:28.270]  And the question is that sun shaded or non-sun shaded the matter.
[41:28.450 --> 41:29.270]  That's the big difference.
[41:31.470 --> 41:33.670]  How much space do you need to grow?
[41:34.510 --> 41:37.690]  Mate for like one person's consumption?
[41:37.950 --> 41:41.430]  How much space do you need to grow mate for one person's consumption?
[41:41.670 --> 41:42.810]  Depends on the consumption.
[41:43.490 --> 41:45.070]  I drink five liters.
[41:45.230 --> 41:47.150]  My wife drinks nine liters a day.
[41:47.670 --> 41:48.170]  Mate.
[41:48.410 --> 41:49.230]  So it's a lot.
[41:49.490 --> 41:53.670]  But one adult tree will make you like 10 kilos a year.
[41:53.670 --> 41:54.270]  Okay.
[41:54.770 --> 41:58.250]  So if you have five trees for your long group of friends who do it.
[41:58.370 --> 42:00.710]  We are growing two trees in Berlin trying to do our independence.
[42:01.110 --> 42:02.210]  But it's very difficult.
[42:02.210 --> 42:07.000]  So you would need like more like actual land.
[42:07.280 --> 42:11.040]  This isn't something you could do off of your core or basement.
[42:11.640 --> 42:12.120]  You could.
[42:12.280 --> 42:14.660]  But the problem up to now mate doesn't grow someone else.
[42:15.020 --> 42:16.720]  It's needed this kind of brown earth.
[42:17.220 --> 42:18.180]  A special climate.
[42:18.360 --> 42:19.340]  It goes to zero degrees.
[42:19.340 --> 42:20.080]  Not so long.
[42:20.200 --> 42:21.740]  I'm glad if someone can get it.
[42:22.700 --> 42:23.900]  But it's still not.
[42:24.040 --> 42:26.120]  Nobody has mate from outside that area up to now.
[42:26.640 --> 42:27.620]  Everything comes from there.
[42:27.760 --> 42:29.080]  And so the idea that we go there.
[42:29.280 --> 42:31.380]  And maybe learn more what this tree needs.
[42:31.620 --> 42:33.800]  What that people need and how to process it better.
[42:34.100 --> 42:36.120]  So the idea is start a project over there.
[42:36.500 --> 42:39.360]  Recruiting people for one month, three months, five months.
[42:39.440 --> 42:40.880]  You have locals to interact.
[42:41.100 --> 42:41.880]  We have a house.
[42:42.020 --> 42:42.520]  We have a space.
[42:42.700 --> 42:44.060]  And we want to put it alive now.
[42:47.310 --> 42:47.750]  Yes.
[42:48.090 --> 42:51.940]  So to grow somewhere else.
[42:52.160 --> 42:52.740]  What are your fears?
[42:52.740 --> 42:55.240]  Do you have a fear of like the commodification of it?
[42:55.500 --> 42:55.860]  So like...
[42:56.400 --> 43:01.020]  So once you can grow it somewhere else, is that going to screw up the whole...
[43:01.020 --> 43:02.220]  It's not my scope.
[43:02.380 --> 43:04.340]  I'm trying to do only for my private enjoyment.
[43:04.640 --> 43:06.740]  I don't think that's the big way.
[43:06.860 --> 43:08.800]  But I don't think we can stop China on that.
[43:09.040 --> 43:11.420]  I know that I have been there a couple of times.
[43:11.760 --> 43:13.820]  So I'm sure the seeds are in trial.
[43:15.320 --> 43:17.060]  But it's not what I want to go for.
[43:17.260 --> 43:21.520]  I think there is more room to get back forest from monoculture areas.
[43:21.520 --> 43:25.080]  And we started with Club-Mate to make projects that bring higher income for the people.
[43:25.460 --> 43:26.920]  Better quality of products.
[43:27.600 --> 43:30.320]  And especially in this community here of opinion makers.
[43:30.540 --> 43:32.920]  Maybe people are aware which kind of food I'm getting.
[43:33.160 --> 43:34.080]  Where it's coming from.
[43:34.540 --> 43:38.060]  I think that's more important than to try to grow economically for the product.
[43:42.540 --> 43:42.940]  Well...
[43:43.640 --> 43:44.220]  One more.
[43:44.980 --> 43:45.580]  Oh, there.
[43:45.720 --> 43:45.840]  Please.
[44:04.350 --> 44:05.730]  Where is the hackerspace?
[44:06.750 --> 44:07.150]  Nice.
[44:07.330 --> 44:08.410]  How long have you have the tree?
[44:09.170 --> 44:09.590]  Three years.
[44:09.590 --> 44:10.250]  Thank you.
[44:10.690 --> 44:15.030]  I have the experience of Mate owners who have trees in their offices in Brazil.
[44:15.230 --> 44:16.770]  And we have in our bar in Berlin.
[44:16.970 --> 44:19.450]  I haven't seen one grow more higher than this.
[44:20.470 --> 44:22.450]  I don't know if that's not a moment that stops.
[44:23.250 --> 44:24.130]  That's like a...
[44:24.130 --> 44:25.110]  That's the experience.
[44:25.230 --> 44:28.650]  But I'm looking for if someone can find why and how to support it.
[44:29.250 --> 44:30.990]  And looking forward to catch up with you too.
[44:32.250 --> 44:35.650]  Yeah, we try to cut, to clone that in Berlin.
[44:35.950 --> 44:36.510]  We try to...
[44:36.510 --> 44:38.030]  Nothing worked up to now.
[44:38.670 --> 44:39.250]  We tried...
[44:39.250 --> 44:40.510]  One experience in the forest.
[44:40.790 --> 44:42.970]  We took saplings.
[44:43.370 --> 44:44.170]  Hundred of them.
[44:44.570 --> 44:45.870]  And planted into the forest.
[44:46.170 --> 44:48.070]  That was our first experience in 2010.
[44:48.590 --> 44:50.610]  We put in hundred baby trees like this.
[44:51.250 --> 44:53.590]  One year later, we find barely ten.
[44:54.090 --> 44:57.030]  But around it, full of new ones that are grown by itself.
[44:58.130 --> 44:59.690]  And much higher and stronger.
[45:00.450 --> 45:01.870]  That's the kind of...
[45:01.870 --> 45:02.310]  Learning...
[45:02.310 --> 45:03.390]  We are trying it and seeing.
[45:05.590 --> 45:08.270]  Have you considered that it's because of the...
[45:09.590 --> 45:12.630]  The biome in the soil that's around it.
[45:12.850 --> 45:18.650]  And basically the chemical communication of the other plants and microbes around them?
[45:18.950 --> 45:20.310]  Yes, that's what we believe.
[45:20.550 --> 45:22.670]  We hear that it's very rich in minerals.
[45:23.150 --> 45:26.570]  Matt has 27 minerals, like full of potassium, calcium, magnesium.
[45:27.030 --> 45:28.310]  That that earth makes it.
[45:28.310 --> 45:30.770]  And I believe also the whole ecosystem.
[45:31.090 --> 45:31.930]  Because there is like a...
[45:31.930 --> 45:33.770]  The other trees that protect and come around.
[45:33.990 --> 45:34.730]  And it's the normal thing.
[45:34.870 --> 45:37.730]  You have a monoculture that's much more fragile than the forest.
[45:38.230 --> 45:38.370]  Right.
[45:38.490 --> 45:39.530]  And there's a diversity.
[45:39.710 --> 45:41.730]  30 kinds of mud in small rooms.
[45:41.730 --> 45:47.410]  But also, in the community of plants, right?
[45:47.630 --> 45:53.010]  So, if you have one tree by itself, it might be stunted.
[45:53.410 --> 46:00.870]  But it will actually produce chemicals that protect its offspring that are around it.
[46:01.070 --> 46:09.350]  And at some point it will actually make itself a sacrifice to draw pests to it in order to let other plants survive.
[46:09.350 --> 46:17.670]  So, it might be sort of like that, where they're purposely stenting themselves because they think that they're protecting...
[46:17.670 --> 46:18.650]  Very nice.
[46:18.930 --> 46:19.790]  Thank you.
[46:20.010 --> 46:20.850]  Thank you for sharing.
[46:21.270 --> 46:22.290]  One reasoning.
[46:22.310 --> 46:22.870]  That is a culture thing.
[46:23.230 --> 46:23.390]  Yeah.
[46:24.090 --> 46:24.450]  Nice.
[46:24.970 --> 46:25.690]  Thank you.
[46:25.690 --> 46:25.710]  Thank you.
[46:25.870 --> 46:26.250]  Thank you.
[46:27.770 --> 46:30.510]  I think we are approaching the last 10 minutes now.
[46:30.630 --> 46:31.170]  Five minutes.
[46:31.370 --> 46:31.830]  Here, here.
[46:32.090 --> 46:33.230]  Some other question?
[46:34.430 --> 46:34.870]  Please.
[46:35.210 --> 46:36.070]  You may have already answered
[46:39.620 --> 46:39.940]  the question.
[46:40.940 --> 46:42.880]  Help me with the English expression, please.
[46:44.020 --> 46:47.960]  Talking about the kinds of mate, it's best to be grown under the big trees in the forest.
[46:48.540 --> 46:51.920]  If you buy Club-Mate, are you getting that better kind of...
[46:54.020 --> 46:55.640]  I've been twice at Club-Mate.
[46:56.000 --> 46:59.820]  They told me that their mate is sourced from Argentina.
[47:00.160 --> 47:01.720]  They sourced only once from Brazil.
[47:02.260 --> 47:07.360]  I don't know if I could be sharing this information, so please don't write it, but I don't know for whom they get it.
[47:07.360 --> 47:10.600]  I can say that 80% of the forest is staying in Brazil.
[47:11.580 --> 47:11.620]  Side.
[47:12.100 --> 47:14.640]  And like 10% in Argentina.
[47:14.980 --> 47:19.560]  It could be lucky that they have an industry that gets from the forest.
[47:19.980 --> 47:27.680]  But all the other Argentinian mate that you got in the market, it pretty looks like their company is producing for monoculture.
[47:28.000 --> 47:31.900]  A difference is also 60,000, 100,000 kilos a day.
[47:32.120 --> 47:35.100]  A farmer does 100, 400 kilos a week.
[47:36.440 --> 47:38.600]  It dries in 30, 40 hours.
[47:38.840 --> 47:39.900]  A farmer does mate.
[47:40.160 --> 47:41.900]  Industry dries in one and a half hour.
[47:42.800 --> 47:44.840]  So it's a fully different product.
[47:45.000 --> 47:46.820]  What you have downstairs to try, it's...
[47:46.820 --> 47:50.380]  You have the normal industry, forest harvest downstairs.
[47:50.380 --> 47:51.240]  It's called 23.
[47:51.660 --> 47:53.300]  There's a toasted called 42.
[47:53.660 --> 47:58.120]  And there's family gam, family tolati, family names.
[47:58.400 --> 47:59.820]  And that's a fully different story.
[48:01.260 --> 48:04.680]  60,000 kilos a day, 400 kilos a week.
[48:05.500 --> 48:07.720]  That's so much also in the quality of it.
[48:08.420 --> 48:10.520]  If I would go esoteric, the imitation.
[48:10.740 --> 48:13.020]  This people is doing for their own food.
[48:13.200 --> 48:14.500]  They will eat what's that.
[48:15.140 --> 48:17.100]  I like very much industrial matters.
[48:17.380 --> 48:18.480]  But it's a different system.
[48:18.640 --> 48:21.700]  The people producing are not having access to eat what they are producing.
[48:22.380 --> 48:23.800]  It's a different level.
[48:29.110 --> 48:31.330]  So, I am going to come down and talk to you.
[48:31.430 --> 48:33.990]  But are you aware of the P2P Foundation?
[48:34.870 --> 48:35.290]  No.
[48:35.650 --> 48:35.850]  Okay.
[48:36.050 --> 48:38.910]  So, I'll come down and show you stuff.
[48:39.070 --> 48:43.590]  But look up p2pfoundation.net.
[48:43.590 --> 48:53.830]  There's going to be a conference about the commons and co-ops in Amsterdam, September 1st and 2nd.
[48:54.050 --> 48:54.430]  Wow.
[48:54.610 --> 48:55.810]  So, not far from you.
[48:57.010 --> 49:05.030]  And there's a lot of support for building commons that are healthy commons.
[49:05.030 --> 49:08.970]  And also building cooperative and collaborative organizations.
[49:09.730 --> 49:12.150]  So, it might be a really good source for getting the help you need.
[49:12.450 --> 49:13.370]  Thanks for sharing.
[49:13.610 --> 49:13.710]  Sure.
[49:14.370 --> 49:18.250]  There is a hacking space in Argentina that says their promotion is Mati's P2P.
[49:19.130 --> 49:20.650]  It is already very connected.
[49:20.790 --> 49:20.870]  Yeah.
[49:21.030 --> 49:21.350]  Exactly.
[49:23.610 --> 49:24.090]  Okay.
[49:24.270 --> 49:25.290]  So, let's close now.
[49:25.550 --> 49:27.150]  As I said, thanks also for Jonathan.
[49:27.390 --> 49:28.090]  We will be downstairs.
[49:28.570 --> 49:32.010]  There is a way to learn and also to support us to be here.
[49:32.010 --> 49:34.950]  There is some things that he is doing that we are doing from German to show.
[49:35.130 --> 49:36.590]  And some things for you to enjoy and try.
[49:37.570 --> 49:37.930]  And...
[49:37.930 --> 49:38.910]  Thanks so much.
[49:39.030 --> 49:39.730]  And have a great hope.