[00:02.060 --> 00:09.140]  ...raising funds as well as bringing you some information, the latest news and information from the hacker underground.
[00:09.320 --> 00:10.740]  So do stay tuned for that.
[00:10.940 --> 00:15.880]  And right after that, Barbara Nimri Aziz has a Tahrir special.
[00:16.120 --> 00:20.260]  We'll be carrying you all the way until the midnight hour.
[00:20.260 --> 00:21.460]  So please stay tuned.
[00:21.560 --> 00:30.380]  Keep your dial right where it is at 99.5 FM WBAI listener-sponsored commercial-free community radio and pledge.
[00:30.460 --> 00:31.820]  And we hope that you will.
[00:32.060 --> 00:32.940]  And the number to call.
[00:34.120 --> 00:36.660]  I don't know how Emanuel runs these things.
[00:36.720 --> 00:42.040]  I don't know if he's kind of got it, wants to say the number 100 million times at you to get you to pledge.
[00:42.260 --> 00:47.540]  But just so you know, it is 212-209-2950.
[00:47.820 --> 00:49.620]  Coming up next, Off the Hook.
[02:14.460 --> 02:16.520]  And the time is 709.
[02:17.520 --> 02:18.680]  There's two ways of looking at it.
[02:18.680 --> 02:21.380]  We're either 51 minutes early or 9 minutes late.
[02:21.520 --> 02:23.800]  But regardless, time for Off the Hook.
[04:47.990 --> 04:51.690]  I'll give you a dollar if, uh, Laszlo, you know what this is from.
[04:52.530 --> 04:53.150]  A movie.
[04:53.670 --> 04:54.750]  No, no, no.
[04:54.770 --> 04:55.550]  You're wrong on that, too.
[04:56.890 --> 04:58.350]  Uh, I don't have this album.
[04:58.730 --> 04:59.450]  Is this new?
[04:59.650 --> 05:00.370]  No, it's not, actually.
[05:00.450 --> 05:00.870]  It's pretty old.
[05:01.670 --> 05:03.790]  Uh, this is from, uh, A War.
[05:04.070 --> 05:04.830]  I'll give you a hint.
[05:04.930 --> 05:05.690]  It's from a TV show.
[05:05.730 --> 05:06.150]  How about that?
[05:06.150 --> 05:06.150]  Yeah.
[05:06.750 --> 05:07.050]  Oh.
[05:07.670 --> 05:09.110]  Um, was Bob Hope on it?
[05:09.170 --> 05:09.430]  No.
[05:12.310 --> 05:14.890]  Uh, I wasn't really allowed to watch TV in Oklahoma.
[05:16.090 --> 05:16.710]  Oklahoma, huh?
[05:18.930 --> 05:23.750]  Well, that just goes to show you that, uh, you have to come to the big city to be enlightened.
[05:24.910 --> 05:26.090]  And in a moment, you will be.
[05:26.470 --> 05:27.150]  Green Acres?
[05:28.350 --> 05:28.630]  No.
[06:22.980 --> 06:24.280]  Isaac, I bet you know what that was from.
[06:25.060 --> 06:28.300]  Uh, that was a very nice march for me to get the, uh, papers down the hall.
[06:28.440 --> 06:32.180]  Well, you know, we sent you on an errand during that march, but you really don't know what TV show this is from.
[06:33.720 --> 06:34.320]  Fill me in.
[06:35.300 --> 06:36.800]  Well, that, that would be too easy.
[06:37.880 --> 06:38.300]  Hogan's Heroes.
[06:38.380 --> 06:39.360]  Oh, that's my, that's my guess.
[06:39.460 --> 06:39.880]  Fill me in.
[06:39.920 --> 06:40.420]  No, no, no.
[06:40.800 --> 06:41.400]  It's on the BBC.
[06:41.400 --> 06:42.560]  This is Music from the Prisoner.
[06:43.180 --> 06:43.600]  Ah, excellent.
[06:43.600 --> 06:45.680]  Volume 3 of a soundtrack that I found.
[06:46.340 --> 06:48.180]  And, uh, I think it's appropriate enough.
[06:48.280 --> 06:50.000]  Because that's what I felt like today, driving in here.
[06:50.180 --> 06:51.740]  You know, it's not a subway series at all.
[06:51.780 --> 06:52.820]  It's an expressway series.
[06:53.260 --> 06:55.020]  And it's not very express at that either.
[06:55.260 --> 06:57.840]  I took mass transportation and didn't have any problem.
[06:57.960 --> 06:58.620]  Yeah, okay, great.
[06:58.780 --> 06:59.000]  Same here.
[06:59.220 --> 06:59.900]  Wonderful, wonderful.
[07:00.040 --> 07:01.300]  But I didn't have that option, okay?
[07:01.420 --> 07:06.400]  Because mass transportation takes longer than driving from where I am, except on days like this.
[07:07.200 --> 07:08.140]  Ah, World Series.
[07:08.260 --> 07:09.560]  Who needs the World Series, really?
[07:10.520 --> 07:12.100]  The world without the World Series.
[07:12.140 --> 07:13.260]  Yesterday was a travel day.
[07:15.880 --> 07:18.420]  From, from Yankee Stadium to, to Shea Stadium.
[07:18.660 --> 07:18.780]  Yeah.
[07:19.680 --> 07:21.600]  Why can't they just do the whole thing at once and get it over with?
[07:21.680 --> 07:23.600]  I mean, everyone's in town, so let's just do it.
[07:24.080 --> 07:26.400]  Do you think anybody's going to be listening in 15 minutes?
[07:27.240 --> 07:28.620]  For what, what 15 minutes?
[07:28.760 --> 07:29.880]  Well, and there a game tonight?
[07:30.340 --> 07:32.620]  Well, yeah, it's a game, uh, at 8 o'clock, I think.
[07:32.720 --> 07:39.420]  But they don't, by the time, like, you know, they start with all the commercials and, uh, you know, all the intros and things like that, it's closer to, like, 9.30.
[07:40.560 --> 07:43.800]  I mean, they had a game that lasted, like, five hours the other night, so it's...
[07:44.780 --> 07:45.400]  It's unbelievable.
[07:45.660 --> 07:47.640]  Anyway, uh, this is a special edition of Off the Hook.
[07:47.740 --> 07:49.100]  We're usually on from 8 to 9.
[07:49.680 --> 07:51.180]  Today, we're on from 7 to 9.
[07:51.780 --> 07:52.460]  Two-hour show.
[07:52.560 --> 07:56.760]  We might have said a three-hour show a couple of weeks ago, but we meant to say a two-hour show because that's what we're having tonight.
[07:58.020 --> 07:58.380]  Um...
[07:58.380 --> 08:00.180]  120 minutes of hacking excitement.
[08:00.360 --> 08:00.840]  Yeah, yeah.
[08:00.960 --> 08:03.280]  We'll be talking all about the, uh, the hacking experience.
[08:03.460 --> 08:06.980]  Now, Laszlo, you have a sticker that says Las for New York.
[08:07.160 --> 08:07.540]  Yeah, my...
[08:07.540 --> 08:08.500]  How did you manage that?
[08:08.500 --> 08:15.580]  Well, my friends, uh, since my name's Laszlo, my friends keep, uh, butchering, uh, they steal Lazio signs and put them in my front yard.
[08:16.440 --> 08:18.860]  So, uh, and then all my neighbors think that I'm...
[08:18.860 --> 08:20.420]  All you have to do is change the I to an L.
[08:20.560 --> 08:20.840]  Yeah.
[08:21.820 --> 08:23.080]  And put a W on the end.
[08:23.080 --> 08:25.540]  Well, yeah, technically you have a W at the end, but, you know, nobody knows that.
[08:25.680 --> 08:25.880]  Right.
[08:26.020 --> 08:26.720]  You write that in.
[08:26.960 --> 08:27.040]  Yeah.
[08:27.040 --> 08:27.660]  And, like, pray on or something.
[08:27.840 --> 08:29.360]  So, I would appreciate your vote.
[08:29.500 --> 08:30.820]  You know what that bonehead did?
[08:30.820 --> 08:32.380]  I was driving on the expressway.
[08:33.440 --> 08:36.020]  Stapled Lazio signs to trees on the parkway.
[08:36.680 --> 08:38.600]  Now, that's the kind of candidate you want to vote for.
[08:38.660 --> 08:39.960]  Someone to staple signs to trees?
[08:39.960 --> 08:41.660]  I'm pretty sure somebody did that for him.
[08:41.740 --> 08:44.820]  Well, obviously someone did it for him, but, uh, I don't know.
[08:44.940 --> 08:47.580]  I think it kind of typifies some things there.
[08:48.300 --> 08:51.020]  I hate all these political signs going up everywhere.
[08:51.900 --> 08:53.060]  It's kind of a waste of paper.
[08:53.140 --> 08:54.260]  Take a bulldozer to the whole thing.
[08:55.260 --> 08:59.820]  Anyway, um, we have, uh, some special things to, uh, to go over tonight.
[08:59.820 --> 09:07.060]  Uh, if, uh, if you want to just get it over with and pledge right away, we have, well, uh, we, we, we, we have, we have some...
[09:07.060 --> 09:07.580]  It'll make our lives easier.
[09:07.720 --> 09:08.780]  We have a phone number for you.
[09:08.940 --> 09:10.920]  212-209-2950.
[09:11.620 --> 09:14.260]  Uh, now we do this, uh, several times a year.
[09:14.420 --> 09:19.900]  It might seem like we do it all the time, but actually it's, it's really only three, three shows, I believe, a year, if that many.
[09:20.400 --> 09:25.340]  Uh, and it's necessary because we need to keep the station going in order to, uh, continue doing shows like this.
[09:25.340 --> 09:37.900]  You might notice that we don't have commercials and, uh, you might also know through your knowledge of radio and the whole system of commerce that commercials pay for radio stations because that's how they make their money and they make a lot of money too.
[09:38.120 --> 09:39.420]  Well, we don't make a lot of money.
[09:39.560 --> 09:44.120]  We basically survive, but, uh, in order to survive, we have to have a source of income.
[09:44.560 --> 09:50.200]  And while we'd like to pour our life savings into the place, even if we did, I don't think it would be enough.
[09:50.820 --> 09:53.720]  Uh, it, it costs an awful lot of money to keep a radio station going.
[09:54.240 --> 10:02.840]  And if you've gotten anything out of the place, and I believe you have, if you're listening, then, uh, why not give a call and, and invest something in that radio station.
[10:03.880 --> 10:06.620]  212-209-2950 is the phone number.
[10:07.000 --> 10:15.280]  Now, uh, we have, um, several things that we'll be, uh, we'll be going into a little bit more detail in just a couple of moments.
[10:15.840 --> 10:29.760]  Uh, the, the first package that we have, uh, is, uh, a $75, uh, pledge, which will get you one of the increasingly rare H2K caps, of which you might see one on my head right now.
[10:29.960 --> 10:30.340]  You see this?
[10:30.560 --> 10:30.660]  Yeah.
[10:30.860 --> 10:30.960]  Yeah.
[10:31.280 --> 10:32.360]  Quite, quite spiffy looking.
[10:32.600 --> 10:36.340]  This, this hat, I gotta tell you, of all the hats I have, this is the most comfortable hat.
[10:36.440 --> 10:38.860]  We, we, we got a special type that fits all heads.
[10:39.100 --> 10:40.400]  And I have an irregular head.
[10:40.520 --> 10:42.700]  It, it doesn't take kindly to many hats.
[10:42.860 --> 10:44.240]  This one, it fits just fine.
[10:44.240 --> 10:45.280]  You can't take this off my head.
[10:45.380 --> 10:46.800]  It's, it's, you know, it's there for good.
[10:46.880 --> 10:49.940]  You know, ever since H2K, I've noticed that I've always seen you in that hat.
[10:49.940 --> 10:54.200]  Yeah, this, because this is the hat for me, this is, this is, I'm, I'm extremely comfortable with it.
[10:54.280 --> 10:56.800]  And the message on it is not something that I'm ashamed of.
[10:56.900 --> 10:57.960]  H2K was a lot of fun.
[10:58.220 --> 11:01.100]  We, we all had a great time and something I'd like to remember.
[11:01.280 --> 11:08.360]  And, and occasionally people walk up to me and say, H2K, I know what that means, you know, and, uh, I have a sticker on my laptop.
[11:08.940 --> 11:09.840]  You got a sticker too?
[11:10.020 --> 11:10.060]  Yeah.
[11:10.280 --> 11:10.340]  Yeah.
[11:10.500 --> 11:10.700]  Yeah.
[11:11.280 --> 11:13.180]  Well, I'll tell you what, we do have some stickers as well.
[11:13.300 --> 11:21.000]  I'm glad you mentioned that because a special offer, everybody who pledges tonight, I mean, everybody, because we'll get the names and we'll send this to everybody who pledges.
[11:21.160 --> 11:24.940]  We'll, we'll, we'll send them some stickers, a couple of stickers, a couple of H2K stickers.
[11:25.120 --> 11:29.060]  They look like the, uh, the foreign car stickers, you know, that have like, uh, GB.
[11:29.440 --> 11:29.540]  Yeah.
[11:29.640 --> 11:31.120]  Two letter abbreviations for countries.
[11:31.280 --> 11:36.620]  Well, this is H2K and you can stick that on your car or on your, on your wall or whatever it is you want to stick it on.
[11:37.120 --> 11:39.060]  And, uh, it'll just be a memento.
[11:39.060 --> 11:45.960]  And, and we do have a limited number of those as well because we're trying to clear out the, uh, the warehouse of, of any leftover merchandise.
[11:46.500 --> 11:47.580]  Uh, we're already out of shirts.
[11:47.700 --> 11:48.080]  They're gone.
[11:48.360 --> 11:48.860]  Oh, really?
[11:49.000 --> 11:49.640]  Those black ones?
[11:49.720 --> 11:50.160]  Yeah, they're gone.
[11:50.420 --> 11:51.360]  They're, they're gone like that.
[11:51.480 --> 11:54.300]  Otherwise, we would have had them tonight, but we, we don't have any, any more.
[11:54.480 --> 11:56.000]  There were, there were cases of those at H2K.
[11:56.000 --> 11:56.380]  I know.
[11:56.500 --> 11:57.180]  They go fast.
[11:57.180 --> 12:01.480]  When you tell people that, uh, you know, that this is it, we're not making any more, they go pretty fast.
[12:01.600 --> 12:03.200]  And a lot of people wanted them.
[12:03.300 --> 12:06.960]  So what you're saying, Emmanuel, is that the rest of this stuff, people should snap up quickly.
[12:06.960 --> 12:09.940]  Well, I'm just saying, you know, and I'm not, I'm not threatening here.
[12:10.020 --> 12:11.040]  I'm not, I don't want to do that.
[12:11.120 --> 12:17.740]  But I'm saying that if you don't get the baseball cap soon, you're not going to get it at all because it's, it's not going to be made again.
[12:17.860 --> 12:19.760]  And the next conference isn't going to be called H2K.
[12:20.020 --> 12:23.400]  So, you know, it's not going to say H2K on it.
[12:23.480 --> 12:24.240]  That's just the way it is.
[12:24.880 --> 12:28.140]  Uh, so, uh, yeah, for a $75 pledge, you don't just get the hat.
[12:28.140 --> 12:35.180]  I mean, you know, it'd be nice, you know, if you pledge just to pledge because that's, that's the whole purpose of this thing is, is, is, is to pledge.
[12:35.180 --> 12:38.000]  We have no calls on the line, by the way, so obviously this isn't working.
[12:38.300 --> 12:42.100]  I should say the phone number again so people can get their H2K hat.
[12:42.260 --> 12:44.940]  It's 212-209-2950.
[12:45.380 --> 12:45.980]  That's right.
[12:46.160 --> 12:47.840]  212-209-2950.
[12:49.440 --> 12:54.320]  In addition to the baseball cap, we have a very special offer that has never been made before.
[12:55.280 --> 12:57.620]  And this comes along with that $75 pledge.
[12:58.000 --> 13:00.100]  Do you recall the keynote speaker at H2K?
[13:00.100 --> 13:06.580]  Yeah, in fact, I was looking at footage of his speech at the Nader Rally.
[13:06.920 --> 13:07.460]  You're kidding.
[13:07.840 --> 13:09.120]  They showed footage of...
[13:09.120 --> 13:10.560]  It's on the internet.
[13:10.600 --> 13:11.820]  Oh, you mean the Nader speech.
[13:12.100 --> 13:15.820]  Okay, I thought you were referring to the keynote speech H2K was being shown at the Nader Rally.
[13:15.920 --> 13:16.800]  No, that would be kind of cool.
[13:16.820 --> 13:17.700]  That would be very cool.
[13:17.960 --> 13:20.080]  It was a good speech, but I don't know if they would do that.
[13:20.320 --> 13:22.480]  But that was Jell-O Biafra.
[13:22.580 --> 13:23.300]  That was Jell-O Biafra.
[13:23.460 --> 13:24.340]  Damn right it was.
[13:24.520 --> 13:25.680]  There's always room for Jell-O.
[13:25.780 --> 13:26.260]  That's right.
[13:28.320 --> 13:30.380]  And basically, Jell-O is very good food for thought.
[13:31.100 --> 13:31.480]  Definitely.
[13:31.680 --> 13:32.360]  All the time.
[13:32.500 --> 13:34.180]  We could go with puns like this all night.
[13:34.220 --> 13:34.640]  That's not bad.
[13:34.640 --> 13:36.020]  Yeah, we could keep going, but let's not.
[13:36.800 --> 13:43.660]  We have the videotape of Jell-O Biafra's speech, which has not yet been released.
[13:43.660 --> 13:44.960]  It's not yet been put on the web.
[13:46.460 --> 13:48.420]  And basically, we're offering the videotape.
[13:48.520 --> 13:49.880]  It has not yet gone on sale.
[13:50.620 --> 13:53.200]  So we're offering that as part of this premium for $75.
[13:53.520 --> 13:55.920]  And we're going to play a piece of it right now, in fact.
[13:55.940 --> 13:58.140]  So you know exactly what it is you're getting into.
[13:58.340 --> 14:03.180]  If you've never heard Jell-O Biafra speak, it's quite a thought-provoking experience.
[14:03.180 --> 14:04.900]  He goes through all kinds of different topics.
[14:05.020 --> 14:13.460]  And considering this is a guy who doesn't even have a computer, has never used a computer, I thought he was amazingly on target with a lot of his computer points.
[14:13.620 --> 14:15.580]  He'll get some of the technical phrases wrong.
[14:16.440 --> 14:20.440]  But as far as the key issues, I'll take the key issues any day over the technical phrases.
[14:21.420 --> 14:24.120]  And whether or not you agree with him, I don't think that's really the point.
[14:24.180 --> 14:25.180]  I think it gets you to think.
[14:25.260 --> 14:26.400]  And that's what it's all about.
[14:26.680 --> 14:31.540]  So for a $75 pledge, 212-209-2950, you get the H2K cap.
[14:31.540 --> 14:36.160]  And you get an exclusive videotape of Jell-O Biafra's keynote speech.
[14:36.220 --> 14:37.000]  And that's not all.
[14:37.120 --> 14:37.580]  That's not all.
[14:37.660 --> 14:38.440]  But wait, there's more?
[14:38.480 --> 14:38.940]  There's more.
[14:39.140 --> 14:43.560]  Well, first of all, we already mentioned the stickers, which anybody can call in for any pledge amount.
[14:43.560 --> 14:45.800]  If I pledge a dollar, will I get a sticker or a manual?
[14:45.920 --> 14:50.120]  Well, you know, I prefer people pledge something that's worth the postage to send out a reminder, you know.
[14:51.460 --> 14:52.100]  So let's...
[14:52.920 --> 14:57.180]  Basically, if you can only afford to spend a dollar, you probably shouldn't be pledging it to us.
[14:58.380 --> 14:59.480]  That's my view on that.
[14:59.560 --> 15:01.700]  Not that we look down on small amounts like that.
[15:01.780 --> 15:02.880]  I mean, we'll take a $10 pledge.
[15:03.000 --> 15:03.980]  No problem there.
[15:04.640 --> 15:07.060]  But, you know, we also want to look out for our listeners' interests.
[15:08.280 --> 15:10.000]  And, you know, pledge whatever you can afford.
[15:10.000 --> 15:14.280]  But, basically, this is what we can offer for that amount, because it is a donation on our part as well.
[15:14.780 --> 15:23.360]  And it's basically the baseball cap with H2K logo, the videotape with Jello Biafra, the stickers.
[15:23.620 --> 15:24.980]  And this is the cool part.
[15:25.120 --> 15:33.400]  I've learned that Jello's next album, which should be out sometime in November, is going to include excerpts from the H2K speech.
[15:33.660 --> 15:33.880]  Wow.
[15:33.880 --> 15:38.480]  So, we're going to get a bunch of those as well, and send those to everybody who pledges $25 or more.
[15:39.480 --> 15:45.180]  So, we'll just have a lot of those CDs, when they come out, sent to everybody who pledges $25 or more.
[15:45.260 --> 15:47.180]  And that's in addition to anything else you might be getting.
[15:47.340 --> 15:56.060]  So, if you want to get a lot of stuff, $75, you'll get the free CD, the free stickers, the baseball cap, and the videotape of the Jello Biafra speech.
[15:56.200 --> 15:57.740]  That's a pretty good deal, I think.
[15:57.780 --> 15:58.520]  That's a very good deal.
[15:58.520 --> 15:59.620]  So, why is nobody calling?
[15:59.740 --> 16:01.440]  212-209-2950.
[16:01.440 --> 16:03.100]  What do we have to do to get people to wake up here?
[16:03.180 --> 16:04.340]  This is important stuff.
[16:04.480 --> 16:05.380]  I've got it right here.
[16:06.900 --> 16:11.780]  Well, my esteemed colleague, Isaac, thinks that the glad hand of capitalism can do no wrong.
[16:12.180 --> 16:16.920]  Many people know that the invisible hand of the marketplace gives a lot of us the finger.
[16:16.920 --> 16:19.560]  So, tonight is about media consolidation.
[16:19.560 --> 16:24.940]  And I printed out, before I got on the mass transportation that is provided in New York...
[16:24.940 --> 16:26.040]  A very efficient means of getting here.
[16:26.080 --> 16:26.900]  Very efficient.
[16:27.460 --> 16:33.900]  I printed out five pages of all the radio stations owned by just Clear Channel, AMFM Clear Channel.
[16:35.040 --> 16:35.460]  Yeah.
[16:35.700 --> 16:36.680]  We only have two hours.
[16:36.980 --> 16:38.760]  Well, here's what I was thinking, Emmanuel.
[16:38.760 --> 16:41.040]  Wait, now, Clear Channel owns over 1,000 radio stations.
[16:41.440 --> 16:41.920]  897.
[16:41.980 --> 16:44.540]  I heard they just merged with somebody else and they're over 1,000 now.
[16:44.540 --> 16:48.880]  Well, the official website has only got 897.
[16:48.880 --> 16:52.600]  They can't keep up with their own takeovers and mergers.
[16:52.840 --> 16:52.860]  So, right.
[16:54.000 --> 16:54.800]  897 stations.
[16:54.960 --> 16:55.640]  One call on the line.
[16:55.720 --> 16:57.060]  212-209-2950.
[16:57.160 --> 16:57.880]  Make that two calls.
[16:57.960 --> 16:58.780]  Make that five calls.
[16:58.860 --> 16:59.900]  So, here's what I mean...
[16:59.900 --> 17:01.600]  Here's what I was thinking.
[17:02.080 --> 17:07.040]  How about I go market by market and read off all the call letters of the 897 stations?
[17:07.340 --> 17:08.880]  I mean, you think that would just drive people crazy?
[17:08.940 --> 17:09.980]  I think it would drive people crazy.
[17:10.080 --> 17:13.880]  But, now, how big a presence does Clear Channel have in New York?
[17:13.880 --> 17:20.000]  Is it a huge presence or just a fairly minor, trivial, like three stations or less type of presence?
[17:20.000 --> 17:21.520]  Which, when you think of it, is insane.
[17:22.120 --> 17:29.340]  Actually, the company that owns a lot of the major stations in the larger markets is Infinity.
[17:30.260 --> 17:33.420]  They tend to own like the 1010 Winds and the K-Rock and the...
[17:33.420 --> 17:35.060]  Let's go into what they own.
[17:35.160 --> 17:39.860]  Who owns what stations in this city after we hear the Jello Biafra piece.
[17:39.860 --> 17:40.880]  We have three calls on the line.
[17:41.000 --> 17:43.080]  212-209-2950.
[17:43.300 --> 17:43.540]  Excuse me.
[17:44.140 --> 17:45.320]  That's our special pledge line.
[17:45.420 --> 17:46.900]  212-209-2950.
[17:47.080 --> 17:55.120]  Now, again, for a pledge of $75, you'll get the videotape of Jello Biafra's keynote speech at H2K, which is a pretty historical event, I think.
[17:55.680 --> 18:02.040]  He spoke for over an hour nonstop on all kinds of issues and was received very well.
[18:02.140 --> 18:02.920]  Woke up a lot of people.
[18:02.980 --> 18:04.860]  And he was woken up by hackers as well.
[18:04.860 --> 18:06.340]  And I thought it was a good combination.
[18:06.680 --> 18:16.780]  In addition, you'll get some more H2K memorabilia in the form of an H2K official hat and a sticker and the upcoming CD that Jello Biafra will put out.
[18:16.860 --> 18:19.220]  That's for anybody pledging $25 or more.
[18:20.100 --> 18:30.220]  So let's hear a piece of the Jello Biafra speech, which took place July 15, 2000, at Hotel Pennsylvania in New York.
[18:30.260 --> 18:33.160]  Again, I have to apologize for the sound quality here.
[18:33.160 --> 18:36.880]  Let me assure you, it will sound so much better than this.
[18:37.580 --> 18:43.840]  I recorded it onto a little tiny Radio Shack tape recorder, and it's kind of distorted.
[18:44.980 --> 18:46.920]  And hopefully it'll be coming out of both channels.
[18:47.060 --> 18:54.520]  But what you'll get is something that sounds really good and comes out of both channels and has video attached to it because it's a videotape.
[18:54.620 --> 18:55.580]  It's like you're in the room.
[18:55.800 --> 18:56.480]  Yeah, exactly.
[18:57.160 --> 18:59.140]  And it'll look right at your eyes, too.
[18:59.220 --> 19:00.220]  It'll look right into the TV set.
[19:00.280 --> 19:01.940]  And you can get this tape for what?
[19:01.940 --> 19:05.380]  That's for a $75 pledge, 212-209-2950.
[19:05.780 --> 19:10.840]  Again, everybody over 25 gets the free CD, and everybody gets a sticker.
[19:11.440 --> 19:13.240]  So we want to make sure people are happy.
[19:13.580 --> 19:18.900]  All right, let's listen to Jello Biafra for a couple of minutes, and then we'll be right back here on Off the Hook.
[19:38.710 --> 19:39.750]  Okay, we're having...
[19:39.750 --> 19:40.350]  Oh, look at that.
[19:40.590 --> 19:41.510]  Oh, you know what happened?
[19:41.930 --> 19:42.670]  I see what happened.
[19:42.730 --> 19:43.630]  We have the input.
[19:44.290 --> 19:45.530]  Oh, that's kind of cool, isn't it?
[19:46.310 --> 19:46.730]  All right.
[19:46.950 --> 19:48.050]  I have to press...
[19:48.050 --> 19:49.270]  No, the button doesn't work.
[19:49.990 --> 19:51.410]  I dream about this one time.
[19:51.410 --> 19:51.770]  Yeah.
[19:52.690 --> 19:53.050]  All right.
[19:53.250 --> 19:57.210]  I have to hit a button here to get us out of this mode.
[19:58.850 --> 19:59.710]  Oh, you know what?
[19:59.930 --> 20:01.030]  Oh, I see what I'm doing now.
[20:02.330 --> 20:02.630]  Okay.
[20:02.830 --> 20:04.030]  Now, wouldn't you think...
[20:04.030 --> 20:10.570]  Wouldn't you think that tape number 2 would be below tape number 1?
[20:11.070 --> 20:11.570]  Well, it's not.
[20:11.750 --> 20:13.490]  It's above it, so that's why.
[20:14.550 --> 20:16.010]  Cassette 1 is below cassette 2.
[20:16.150 --> 20:16.330]  Okay.
[20:16.770 --> 20:17.710]  My mistake...
[20:17.710 --> 20:18.270]  Dude, that sound.
[20:18.270 --> 20:21.230]  I was having a flashback to the Detroit Dead show.
[20:21.410 --> 20:22.750]  I was actually going through the...
[20:23.190 --> 20:24.350]  Going through the...
[20:24.810 --> 20:25.490]  Wow, look at that.
[20:25.530 --> 20:26.250]  It made fiber appear.
[20:26.530 --> 20:27.310]  Hey, how are you?
[20:27.870 --> 20:30.790]  It just could have warped in during that whole experience.
[20:31.090 --> 20:31.710]  I'm tape 3.
[20:31.970 --> 20:32.330]  Wow.
[20:33.410 --> 20:35.690]  Okay, let's try to do this a little better.
[20:36.410 --> 20:41.310]  Okay, I hit the button, and the machine has failed to play, so now I'm going to hit the other backup button.
[20:41.670 --> 20:43.190]  Okay, I hear the hiss, so this is going to work.
[20:43.310 --> 20:45.810]  Jello Biafra here, 212-209-2950.
[20:46.570 --> 20:57.830]  And, I mean, it's more and more like corporations, you get more and more people having to wear corporate logos on their clothes, because it's the only clothes you can find at the store.
[20:58.150 --> 21:09.870]  In San Francisco, the new sports stadium for the baseball team is named after not Willie Mays or a famous silly civic figure, it is named after the phone company.
[21:11.230 --> 21:24.830]  And, oh, what are some of the other ones, Coors Field in Denver, across the highway from the Pepsi Center, where the basketball and hockey team plays, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
[21:24.830 --> 21:32.470]  It's all named after corporations, and they get real heavy-handed about this sometimes, too.
[21:32.990 --> 21:42.870]  How many of you heard about, I guess it was two years ago now, a kid in a high school in Georgia was suspended for wearing a Pepsi t-shirt on Coca-Cola day?
[21:44.430 --> 21:47.710]  That's getting heavy-handed, if you ask me.
[21:48.150 --> 21:55.210]  And in this situation, for those of you who haven't heard about this, globalization has come to my house, too.
[21:55.670 --> 22:20.570]  The former members of my old band, Dead Kennedys, sued me, clear through a trial and everything, claiming that they wrote all my songs and somehow didn't notice the credits on the record saying who really wrote the songs for 20 years, and claimed there was this huge conspiracy to hide money from them.
[22:20.770 --> 22:22.430]  Yes, there was an accounting error.
[22:22.590 --> 22:24.330]  I blew it there, but they were paid.
[22:24.630 --> 22:33.350]  The real motive being, I wouldn't let, or the real catalyst being, I wouldn't let them put Holiday in Cambodia in a Levi's commercial.
[22:34.770 --> 22:36.190]  Dockers, no less.
[22:44.290 --> 22:53.510]  The ugly part was that, to the astonishment of almost everyone in the courtroom, I think even them, the jury believed them on this.
[22:53.750 --> 23:11.810]  So if the ruling stands, they own my songs, and I owe them $200,000 damages for lack of promotion, if you can believe that, and being nearly broke on account of this, I may need some help getting out of it.
[23:12.070 --> 23:30.650]  That is the situation I'm in, rather than being able to concentrate on new music and all, right at a time when our corporate lords and their little puppets and agents in government also have decided, you know, we better crack down and dumb down the internet.
[23:31.250 --> 23:36.370]  There's just too goddamn much pornography out there.
[23:39.790 --> 23:42.030]  What do we define as pornography?
[23:42.490 --> 23:45.630]  Things that criticize our owners, for example.
[23:45.890 --> 23:47.450]  We can't have that.
[23:47.770 --> 23:50.450]  And so the concept is...
[23:51.370 --> 23:57.250]  I don't know if this is even technologically possible in this day and age, and maybe it's your job to make sure it isn't.
[23:57.250 --> 24:01.970]  Al Gore is one of the leading lights, or blights, or whatever.
[24:02.750 --> 24:26.490]  To privatize the internet in the form of putting as many corporate tollbooths on the information highway as possible, where in order to get to one place you want to find something out, you have to pay up to the ass to this company, or this company, or this company that had it handed to them by Uncle Scam just the way we gave away the fiber optic airwaves in the Telecommunications Act of 1996.
[24:27.410 --> 24:29.690]  Gore is one of the leaders in this.
[24:29.890 --> 24:30.930]  Be afraid.
[24:31.250 --> 24:32.650]  Be very afraid.
[24:32.990 --> 24:35.110]  And wait till you meet his wife.
[24:39.520 --> 24:48.020]  So for anybody who says, oh, I'm going to have to vote for Gore because he's the lesser of two evils, how much difference is there really between Gore and Bush anyway?
[24:48.600 --> 25:01.720]  They're both pro-death penalty, pro-WTO, pro-drug war, pro-corporate rule, and really, really into reviving the arms race by putting missiles up in space against what?
[25:01.880 --> 25:02.840]  North Korea?
[25:03.340 --> 25:06.260]  Oh, I'm really scared of Kim Jong Il.
[25:06.540 --> 25:08.080]  I quake under my bed.
[25:11.160 --> 25:12.480]  Oh, yeah, right.
[25:12.900 --> 25:19.940]  Cuba, that's the one who's gonna bomb us back into the Stone Age unless we can blow up the world another few thousand times.
[25:20.060 --> 25:24.760]  The danger being, if any of those damn things crashes, it blows up us instead.
[25:24.800 --> 25:28.380]  But, hey, at least that's the second coming of the Lord.
[25:29.280 --> 25:30.800]  Yeah, that's a scary thing.
[25:31.140 --> 25:34.540]  Fundamentalist Christians into the rapture and high positions of the Pentagon.
[25:34.540 --> 25:37.540]  Don't even get me started on that one.
[25:39.740 --> 25:50.740]  Basically, the Gore mantra is freedom of speech online belongs to those selling something approved by our corporate government only.
[25:51.440 --> 25:57.260]  I mean, this is another example where technology is not necessarily such a bad thing.
[25:57.260 --> 26:01.580]  It's just that it keeps being used against the people it could help.
[26:01.580 --> 26:04.730]  I mean, I saw a recent quote from Are You Serious?
[26:05.420 --> 26:09.180]  One of the guys from Mondo 2000 and everything early on.
[26:09.500 --> 26:15.200]  The net was a non-commercial space that has been colonized by e-commerce.
[26:15.940 --> 26:25.020]  You know, dot com cowboys getting rich and tootling around in their SUVs and spitting money in everybody's face in San Francisco and all.
[26:25.020 --> 26:30.280]  They're getting the money while the people who actually supply the content are barely getting by.
[26:30.680 --> 26:35.500]  And, of course, another way this is being used against us is surveillance.
[26:36.120 --> 26:49.440]  All these, I guess it's cookies that you call them, where they can get information out of who you are, what you buy, et cetera, compile it, and then sell it to somebody else without you knowing this is even being done at all.
[26:49.680 --> 26:58.080]  One company called Toysmart.com was recently caught trying to sell information they'd compiled on little kids.
[26:58.540 --> 27:07.260]  Some other companies have been using cartoon characters to get kids to give them information on their parents' buying habits, even.
[27:07.780 --> 27:13.540]  I mean, all this abusive technology actually reminds me of one of my favorite quotes of Ayatollah Khomeini.
[27:13.540 --> 27:16.540]  All Western countries are bad.
[27:16.940 --> 27:19.900]  Nothing but evil comes from them.
[27:21.140 --> 27:42.800]  But on the other hand, the advent of the web and the net and even e-commerce has also somewhat at least democratized what corporations have swallowed up at the strip mall level, extending the punk-style do-it-yourself DIY ethic not just to music but to publishing,
[27:43.380 --> 27:56.700]  film, pornography, and even being able to sell all those albums that made such a difference in your younger life before you became a dot-com worm on eBay.
[27:58.440 --> 28:04.840]  But not everyone owns a computer, so you're not going to reach everybody going strictly over the net.
[28:04.960 --> 28:17.400]  But it does mean more people can get out there, and more importantly, the only weird mutant in their school or their town can find others across the country and the world and feel like they're not alone anymore.
[28:23.930 --> 28:32.990]  But part of keeping the net free from restrictions from Al Gore Incorporated is using it wisely.
[28:33.830 --> 28:47.270]  I mean, I'm sure everybody in this room knows a netwit or two who will be on there for hours on end, even their lovely, voluptuous, significant other can't get them to come to bed till 4 in the morning because they're still on the net.
[28:47.410 --> 28:53.150]  We're treating it almost like TV for those who deem TV beneath them.
[28:53.850 --> 28:55.970]  You've probably seen that, haven't you?
[28:56.310 --> 29:02.110]  I mean, we get to that point, how different is that from the CB radio craze of the 1970s?
[29:02.150 --> 29:03.090]  Anybody remember that?
[29:03.390 --> 29:04.790]  Breaker, breaker, good buddy!
[29:04.850 --> 29:06.350]  Am I talking to a real trucker?
[29:06.650 --> 29:12.930]  I mean, how different is that from, wow, I'm on line with Courtney right now?
[29:18.160 --> 29:22.140]  Be careful of the information and gossip you get on the net, too.
[29:22.320 --> 29:26.500]  I mean, if it sounds too good or too wild to be true, maybe it isn't.
[29:26.600 --> 29:28.220]  Maybe it helps to get a second opinion.
[29:28.520 --> 29:35.020]  For example, I think it was late 97 now, I found out on the internet I was dead.
[29:37.520 --> 29:45.080]  People who are all over were trading all this net gossip and updates and the grisly details of my recent shooting death.
[29:45.080 --> 29:52.840]  And I mean, I looked in the shower and couldn't find the bullet holes, but if the net said I was dead, then it must be true, right?
[29:53.640 --> 29:55.240]  Be careful of stuff like that.
[29:55.340 --> 30:01.400]  And now what I found out is somebody else, I guess, owns my name on the net now, too.
[30:01.560 --> 30:07.480]  Other people own JellebyOffer.com or JellebyOffer.org, and I don't know what they plan to do.
[30:07.680 --> 30:11.420]  They're trying to extort money from me to buy back my own name.
[30:11.420 --> 30:13.660]  That seems a little weird to me, too.
[30:14.780 --> 30:15.280]  But...
[30:18.200 --> 30:19.440]  There you go.
[30:19.700 --> 30:21.600]  We'll try diplomacy first.
[30:23.120 --> 30:36.000]  But my hope is that people who want to use the net for good reasons will also encourage others to help develop sharper and sharper bullet detectors.
[30:36.000 --> 30:46.240]  As I said, if it is too wild or too interesting or too good to be true, maybe it's not true, and hunt for a second opinion.
[30:46.740 --> 31:06.680]  Especially important, because as the old saying goes, knowledge is power, and that is the power to influence other people in a positive way and inspire them to do something besides giving up and being spectators in their own lives and putting up with horrible dot-com jobs just because they think they're going to get all these stock options.
[31:06.680 --> 31:08.080]  They often never do.
[31:08.680 --> 31:12.760]  You know, knowledge is power, but you've got to have the right knowledge.
[31:13.020 --> 31:22.700]  And the only way you can really boil it down to is that tenuous walking on ice known as we all believe what we want to believe.
[31:23.220 --> 31:26.740]  So we've got to be careful as to what we believe.
[31:26.960 --> 31:47.140]  In order to make it more difficult for the corporations and those who want to dumb down the net as e-commerce is great, e-communication must be stopped, etc., make it more and more difficult for them to co-opt our culture through Taco Bell's extreme meals or a giant,
[31:47.140 --> 31:55.240]  I think it's a Nissan Swine Mobile's SUV being advertised as radical as we speak.
[31:55.880 --> 31:57.100]  Things like that.
[31:57.400 --> 32:11.120]  Make it more difficult for them to co-opt our culture by using the information highway to breed a generation of people who see through corporate bullshit and their dishonest media as never before.
[32:11.120 --> 32:15.920]  In other words, don't hate the media, become the media.
[32:22.720 --> 32:29.280]  This doesn't just mean digging, muckraking, learning, and regurgitating the knowledge via the net.
[32:29.520 --> 32:35.180]  It means not just supporting, but maybe helping create underground zines.
[32:35.860 --> 32:41.640]  You know, the whole underground zine culture may well be the most important thing punk rock ever gave the world.
[32:42.380 --> 32:44.900]  Even more so than all the cool music.
[32:46.360 --> 33:09.060]  And in this day and age, with corporate media being so dumbed down and censored, becoming the media means going one-on-one with people you know, say in your family, at work, at school, and explaining to them in a non-condescending way when they spout Rush Limbaugh bullshit or hold their nose and say they're going to vote for Al Gore,
[33:09.900 --> 33:11.720]  why that is wrong.
[33:11.940 --> 33:21.560]  And why it isn't the eco-terrorists and the feminazis and the welfare cheats who have screwed up our economy and made it harder and harder for you to put food on the table.
[33:21.560 --> 33:32.520]  It's the robber barons who have so much money they can't figure out how to spend it, so the only thing they have left to do is to try and screw more and more people to make more and more money.
[33:32.980 --> 33:34.960]  Wealth addiction, in other words.
[33:35.140 --> 33:40.220]  Which to me is a far more dangerous form of drug addiction than crack could ever hope to be.
[33:40.740 --> 33:43.140]  Certainly done more damage to the world.
[33:48.690 --> 33:52.730]  Becoming the media through pirate radio stations.
[33:55.850 --> 34:01.610]  And now we are seeing the dawn of pirate television as well.
[34:02.110 --> 34:08.690]  When I was in Italy, clear back in 81, there were 70 pirate TV stations in Rome alone.
[34:09.090 --> 34:10.250]  But that's Italy.
[34:10.630 --> 34:30.190]  Here now we've got people like the Independent Media Coalition, which is at least nationwide, who, among other things, had enough cameras out in the streets of Seattle last fall, that when CNN said, oh, the police are behaving reasonably, no rubber bullets are being fired,
[34:30.390 --> 34:42.310]  contrary to reports, they got a hold of footage of rubber bullets being fired, put it up on the net all over the world, and within one hour, CNN had to change their story.
[34:57.500 --> 34:58.740]  Pretty dramatic, huh?
[34:59.080 --> 35:04.360]  That's Jello Biafra from the H2K speech he gave here in New York back in July.
[35:05.020 --> 35:06.820]  And you can hear the rest of that.
[35:06.940 --> 35:07.960]  You can see the rest of that.
[35:08.100 --> 35:09.140]  Much better sound quality.
[35:09.140 --> 35:12.900]  Won't sound as crappy as it did when I recorded it off a mono cassette player.
[35:13.740 --> 35:19.320]  You can get that by pledging to us here at WBAI, 212-209-2950.
[35:19.320 --> 35:33.180]  For a $75 pledge, you get the videotape, you'll get a baseball cap with the H2K logo, and you'll also get Jello Biafra's new CD when it comes out, I believe in November, with portions of the H2K speech on it, which is pretty cool.
[35:33.360 --> 35:36.660]  And also some H2K stickers, 212-209-2950.
[35:36.660 --> 35:41.220]  So in that short amount of time, I was only about 10 minutes, Jello touched on a whole lot of issues.
[35:42.280 --> 35:47.320]  And I don't know about you guys, but I thought they were all important things to focus on.
[35:47.420 --> 35:49.720]  They're all something that affect us.
[35:49.900 --> 35:51.180]  I wish everybody thought.
[35:51.460 --> 35:55.260]  Everybody basically put effort into what it is they do every day.
[35:55.660 --> 35:59.140]  And you get the feeling that this guy is always thinking about these things.
[35:59.440 --> 36:00.360]  There are people like that.
[36:00.440 --> 36:02.020]  I mean, I see people like this all the time.
[36:02.140 --> 36:04.120]  But, you know, we get swept under the rug.
[36:04.120 --> 36:05.380]  People don't pay attention.
[36:06.140 --> 36:11.160]  And a great example happened a couple of weeks ago with the whole Nader thing.
[36:11.240 --> 36:12.220]  The Nader rally in New York.
[36:12.320 --> 36:12.940]  Did you hear about this, Lesley?
[36:13.360 --> 36:16.640]  I kind of helped with it a little bit.
[36:16.660 --> 36:17.640]  Madison Square Garden.
[36:18.400 --> 36:19.880]  212-209-2950.
[36:20.060 --> 36:20.360]  Call up.
[36:20.500 --> 36:24.080]  Get the Jello Biafra package here and support off the hook.
[36:24.180 --> 36:25.020]  Support WBAI.
[36:25.220 --> 36:26.160]  We have three calls on the line.
[36:26.240 --> 36:27.380]  Let's make that five calls.
[36:27.480 --> 36:31.900]  I think this is somebody who could affect five people out there at the very least.
[36:31.900 --> 36:35.460]  And this is a one-time offer here at the radio station.
[36:35.560 --> 36:37.600]  212-209-2950.
[36:37.920 --> 36:43.560]  Again, everybody pledging $25 or more will get a copy of the Jello Biafra CD, which is a pretty good deal.
[36:44.280 --> 36:47.460]  And you'll also get those free H2K stickers.
[36:48.260 --> 36:52.860]  And for a $75 pledge, you get the baseball cap, the videotape, the stickers, and the CD.
[36:53.080 --> 36:54.620]  It all comes together.
[36:55.460 --> 36:57.100]  212-209-2950.
[36:57.300 --> 36:58.420]  Show your support for the radio station.
[36:58.540 --> 37:01.460]  Don't call us just to get free stuff, though, because that's not what it's about.
[37:01.640 --> 37:05.760]  What it's about is providing you with a voice, providing you with alternatives.
[37:06.400 --> 37:10.620]  I don't think you would hear a speech like this anyplace else on the FM dial, would you?
[37:10.620 --> 37:19.240]  Especially now with Clear Channel Communications, which owns 897 stations, including six in some place in Wyoming I've never even heard of.
[37:19.600 --> 37:20.420]  Can you believe that?
[37:20.600 --> 37:20.840]  Yeah.
[37:21.160 --> 37:23.700]  A place you've never heard of has six radio stations owned by the same people.
[37:24.760 --> 37:25.560]  That's crazy.
[37:25.900 --> 37:28.200]  It's totally crazy, but it's what's happening.
[37:28.340 --> 37:30.780]  You know, I remember back in, what was it, the 80s?
[37:31.400 --> 37:33.020]  No, actually, no, it was more recent than that.
[37:33.120 --> 37:33.740]  What am I talking about?
[37:33.780 --> 37:36.640]  It was 1996 was when they passed that horrible telecommunications bill.
[37:37.300 --> 37:39.700]  What were radio stations limited to?
[37:39.780 --> 37:42.020]  Was it five owned and operated stations throughout the country?
[37:42.380 --> 37:43.540]  It was very small.
[37:43.540 --> 37:44.400]  I think it was five.
[37:44.540 --> 37:45.240]  It was small.
[37:45.440 --> 37:46.340]  It was below 10.
[37:46.340 --> 37:47.400]  I'm almost certain of that.
[37:47.560 --> 37:50.420]  And now, only a few years later, look what we have.
[37:50.420 --> 37:54.360]  We have entities that own over, well, I think it's over a thousand stations.
[37:54.480 --> 37:55.360]  You say it's closer to 900.
[37:55.420 --> 37:55.740]  It's 800.
[37:55.900 --> 37:55.920]  Whatever.
[37:56.300 --> 37:57.920]  It's a hell of a lot of stations.
[37:58.140 --> 37:58.680]  A hell of a lot of stations.
[37:58.760 --> 38:01.300]  And here we are, Pacifica only owns five stations.
[38:01.820 --> 38:04.520]  You know, can you imagine Pacifica owned a thousand?
[38:04.600 --> 38:07.740]  I imagine some people would have some reservations about that.
[38:07.840 --> 38:12.380]  But it's something that I don't think any one entity should have is that kind of power.
[38:12.440 --> 38:14.940]  Because when you have that kind of power, you decide what the news is.
[38:15.040 --> 38:16.800]  And again, let me go back to the Nader thing, all right?
[38:16.800 --> 38:20.020]  This happened a couple of Fridays ago in New York.
[38:20.780 --> 38:27.200]  And with one week's notice, 20,000 people filled Madison Square Garden, or whatever a sellout crowd is, because they did sell out the whole place.
[38:27.560 --> 38:29.880]  And it was an unbelievable amount of people.
[38:30.480 --> 38:35.940]  Now, they had all kinds of musicians there, including Eddie Vedder and, you know, a bunch of people that...
[38:35.940 --> 38:42.440]  Well, admittedly, some people came just to see these people, but not, you know, by any means a significant amount.
[38:43.020 --> 38:46.560]  But I'm sure, you know, I was expecting the media to say, yeah, these people were just Eddie Vedder fans.
[38:46.680 --> 38:47.340]  It wasn't the case.
[38:47.360 --> 38:50.900]  But there was also Michael Moore, Phil Donahue, Adi DeFranco.
[38:51.100 --> 38:51.260]  Yeah.
[38:51.860 --> 38:52.920]  A whole lot of people.
[38:53.060 --> 38:53.880]  A whole lot of people.
[38:53.960 --> 38:56.620]  I mean, it was a lot more musical than the one I saw up in Boston.
[38:57.840 --> 39:00.800]  You know, a lot of musicians playing songs and things like that.
[39:01.640 --> 39:04.400]  And it was really a carnival atmosphere.
[39:04.520 --> 39:05.580]  Everybody was into things.
[39:05.800 --> 39:07.080]  There was an interesting story.
[39:07.080 --> 39:12.920]  There was this one guy near us who obviously just gone there to see Eddie Vedder because he was all drunk off his ass.
[39:13.060 --> 39:17.520]  It was like, you know, this teenage kid just screaming and yelling, thinking he was at a rock concert when Ralph Nader was speaking.
[39:18.260 --> 39:19.260]  It was just...
[39:19.260 --> 39:19.280]  Ralph!
[39:19.560 --> 39:20.980]  Yeah, that's exactly what he was doing.
[39:21.100 --> 39:22.160]  It was a bizarre thing, too.
[39:22.460 --> 39:25.300]  And, you know, what's your reaction to something like that?
[39:25.360 --> 39:29.300]  Where you get some ignoramus, like, off the street that just doesn't get it, that's just disrupting everything.
[39:29.320 --> 39:31.540]  You want to, you want to, like, you know, be violent.
[39:31.540 --> 39:32.080]  You really do.
[39:37.080 --> 39:37.480]  They're all around us.
[39:37.740 --> 39:38.580]  I got to give them credit.
[39:38.800 --> 39:43.020]  They basically, like, just talked this guy out of being an idiot.
[39:43.460 --> 39:46.760]  And actually, within 10 minutes, he was apologizing to everybody around him.
[39:46.840 --> 39:51.840]  And he just, you know, he left at some point because he was obviously not in any state to stay and listen to Ralph Nader.
[39:51.960 --> 39:54.380]  But, you know, think about that in, like, a ranger crowd.
[39:55.160 --> 39:57.420]  I don't think they would have talked to him.
[39:57.500 --> 40:00.320]  I don't think they would have reasoned with him and gotten him to leave peaceably.
[40:00.680 --> 40:01.800]  And that's exactly what happened.
[40:01.820 --> 40:03.300]  I think that's, you know, a great credit there.
[40:03.420 --> 40:05.820]  I expected to see, you know, the media distort this.
[40:05.820 --> 40:12.920]  I expected to see all kinds of, you know, coverage as to these dirty hippies showing up and, you know, stinking up masks and Square Garden.
[40:13.040 --> 40:15.620]  Well, actually, you know, it's all kinds of different people.
[40:15.720 --> 40:18.760]  Old, young, black, white, all different religions, races, creeds, whatever.
[40:20.060 --> 40:21.380]  But you know what I saw in the media?
[40:21.580 --> 40:22.660]  You know what surprised me?
[40:23.200 --> 40:24.480]  What do you think surprised me, Laszlo?
[40:24.620 --> 40:25.880]  You didn't see anything about it.
[40:25.960 --> 40:27.500]  I didn't see a damn thing about it.
[40:27.660 --> 40:28.560]  Not only that.
[40:28.720 --> 40:29.820]  212-209-2950.
[40:29.820 --> 40:36.100]  If this means anything to you, please give us a call because the media is something that you need to take control of.
[40:36.100 --> 40:37.520]  212-209-2950.
[40:38.440 --> 40:41.540]  After this rally in Madison Square Garden, there was a drive.
[40:41.700 --> 40:43.340]  It was the last day to register to vote in New York.
[40:43.480 --> 40:49.380]  There was this drive to get people registered at the post office across the street, which is open 24 hours.
[40:49.380 --> 40:59.620]  So, they said that they were going to take a marching band and go across the street with all these voter registration cards that they got from the 20,000 people and make sure that they got there by midnight.
[41:00.300 --> 41:02.540]  So, I mean, that was something to look forward to.
[41:02.740 --> 41:06.440]  Now, after the thing let out, I walked over there to the post office.
[41:06.580 --> 41:08.140]  There were a few people just hanging out on the steps.
[41:08.140 --> 41:13.120]  And it was, you know, kind of like a carnival atmosphere, people just hanging out, you know, at midnight on 8th Avenue.
[41:13.580 --> 41:19.400]  And then all of a sudden, all of a sudden, there was a sound from across the street from where the garden was.
[41:19.480 --> 41:28.540]  And you saw something like a thousand people marching down 31st Street towards 8th Avenue, chanting, singing, all kinds of things.
[41:29.140 --> 41:33.800]  And just basically taking over everything that they walked in front of, including 8th Avenue.
[41:33.860 --> 41:36.020]  8th Avenue just sort of shut down at that point.
[41:36.020 --> 41:44.480]  Now, despite the fact that they announced this at the event, apparently nobody from the police department or anyone else had any inkling this was going to happen.
[41:44.640 --> 41:46.740]  I guess they didn't think it was significant enough to pay attention to either.
[41:47.140 --> 41:50.480]  There were two postal police inside the post office.
[41:50.920 --> 41:52.020]  You ever see postal police?
[41:52.380 --> 41:52.460]  Yes.
[41:52.460 --> 41:53.960]  Did you know there was such a thing as postal police?
[41:54.080 --> 41:54.280]  Yes.
[41:54.640 --> 41:56.260]  Yeah, the mail needs to be guarded.
[41:56.600 --> 41:58.420]  I don't know what they do there.
[41:58.820 --> 42:00.200]  They're a federal law enforcement agency.
[42:00.200 --> 42:00.480]  Yeah, I know.
[42:00.540 --> 42:01.920]  What are they enforcing in the post office?
[42:02.200 --> 42:02.660]  I mean...
[42:02.660 --> 42:05.680]  Don't open my package from barnesandnoble.com.
[42:05.680 --> 42:08.780]  I've just never seen a reason in a post office...
[42:08.780 --> 42:09.320]  Security.
[42:09.560 --> 42:15.400]  Well, except for things caused by postal people, a reason to have security guards there.
[42:15.660 --> 42:16.420]  You know, I've never...
[42:16.420 --> 42:18.300]  And that's not, you know, it's not a knock against postal people.
[42:18.440 --> 42:20.000]  It's just a statement of what I've noticed.
[42:20.580 --> 42:26.680]  Now, okay, so you had these two guys there and they were just, you know, calmly patrolling the hallway, I guess, which is what they do every night.
[42:26.680 --> 42:31.200]  And then all of a sudden, a thousand people start marching towards the post office across 8th Avenue.
[42:31.340 --> 42:33.780]  And you should have seen the panic in their eyes.
[42:33.820 --> 42:34.540]  Oh my God!
[42:34.540 --> 42:36.180]  What the hell is happening here?
[42:36.300 --> 42:40.720]  And they start running around like mice with their heads cut off or whatever mice do.
[42:41.620 --> 42:44.400]  And so these people, I mean, they're not threatening in any way.
[42:44.520 --> 42:44.980]  They're chanting.
[42:45.220 --> 42:46.140]  They're jovial mood.
[42:46.200 --> 42:49.600]  They got a marching band and a big box with all the cards in it.
[42:49.780 --> 42:52.160]  And they're marching to the post office.
[42:53.320 --> 42:55.400]  And they don't march inside the post office.
[42:55.480 --> 42:56.480]  They stop on the steps.
[42:56.600 --> 43:03.680]  They hang out on the steps and send somebody in with the box so that they can drop it off and have it mailed by midnight.
[43:04.320 --> 43:11.920]  Now, by this point, by the time the guy walked into the post office, the amount of postal police had increased from 2 to 50.
[43:12.280 --> 43:13.480]  There were 50 of these guys!
[43:13.600 --> 43:17.540]  Now, that means there's 48 postal police in the back somewhere doing God knows what.
[43:17.540 --> 43:18.880]  What are these people doing all night?
[43:19.240 --> 43:20.260]  They're just hanging around.
[43:20.260 --> 43:24.560]  All of a sudden, there's 50 armed postal police people running around the place.
[43:24.640 --> 43:33.720]  And the great thing is, whenever you have a demonstration, I don't know if you guys noticed this, whenever you have a demonstration, the cops always come up with these, like, crazy rules that they just sort of impose on the moment.
[43:33.840 --> 43:35.980]  They say, you can't stand over here.
[43:36.060 --> 43:38.800]  You can stand over there, but you have to look this way if you stand over there.
[43:38.980 --> 43:40.200]  And you can't walk there.
[43:40.300 --> 43:42.060]  Don't even try doing that or you'll get arrested right away.
[43:42.140 --> 43:43.800]  You know, all these rules that you don't know exist.
[43:43.940 --> 43:47.140]  Like, you know, we couldn't stand past the handrail leading up to the thing.
[43:47.140 --> 43:48.700]  We couldn't cross from one end to the other.
[43:48.820 --> 43:51.340]  But we could go down to the street and cross that way and then come back up.
[43:51.820 --> 43:55.780]  Also, you couldn't walk inside the post office unless you had official postal business.
[43:55.780 --> 43:57.280]  And this is the really crazy part.
[43:57.520 --> 44:09.320]  There were people there taking pictures, you know, including some video cameras, of the person walking up to the window and handing the cards to the postal person.
[44:09.720 --> 44:14.460]  The postal police flipped out at this and they just basically tackled everybody with a video camera.
[44:14.960 --> 44:19.420]  I mean, I guess that was one of their rules that, no, you may not film inside the post office.
[44:19.420 --> 44:21.520]  That's some other rule that you don't want to break.
[44:22.120 --> 44:23.420]  And they tackled these people.
[44:23.480 --> 44:25.760]  When you think about that, that's about the dumbest thing you could possibly do.
[44:25.800 --> 44:29.480]  Here's somebody who's recording the event and you act like an idiot in front of them.
[44:29.620 --> 44:31.200]  You know, obviously that's going to get on the net.
[44:31.280 --> 44:32.220]  That's going to get out to people.
[44:33.340 --> 44:36.000]  So those are the only people that I saw really getting abused.
[44:36.180 --> 44:39.500]  But then the New York City cops started showing up and there were cops everywhere outside.
[44:39.660 --> 44:43.620]  And they just sort of, you know, formed this little barrier on 8th Avenue.
[44:43.820 --> 44:46.460]  And the barrier was only about maybe 15 cops.
[44:46.700 --> 44:48.600]  You know, you could just walk around them on either side.
[44:48.600 --> 44:49.700]  I didn't know what they were trying to do.
[44:49.860 --> 44:51.480]  They obviously had no idea this was happening.
[44:51.580 --> 44:52.540]  They had no plan.
[44:52.900 --> 44:54.980]  And they were kind of, you know, in a panicking mood.
[44:55.040 --> 44:57.280]  And the one thing you don't want is a panicking New York City cop.
[44:57.460 --> 44:58.920]  Yeah, they tend to shoot.
[44:59.160 --> 45:02.500]  Yeah, so we had kind of a tense situation.
[45:02.500 --> 45:06.940]  But, you know, all it was were people standing on the steps of the post office, chanting, singing.
[45:07.120 --> 45:08.680]  It was a really peaceful event.
[45:08.680 --> 45:09.920]  No damage of any sort.
[45:10.220 --> 45:11.820]  And basically getting people to vote.
[45:11.920 --> 45:13.240]  What could be more American than that?
[45:13.240 --> 45:18.220]  So basically the people inside dropped off all the cards.
[45:18.400 --> 45:19.880]  They had to rip them in a certain way though.
[45:19.980 --> 45:21.200]  They weren't ripped in the right way.
[45:21.260 --> 45:25.320]  So they had to get all these volunteers on the spot to start ripping a few thousand cards.
[45:25.520 --> 45:26.460]  And then that was done.
[45:26.580 --> 45:32.560]  Everybody started marching back towards the front of Penn Station on 7th Avenue down 31st Street.
[45:33.080 --> 45:39.080]  And the cops were just basically following everybody slowly, you know, driving the wrong way down the street, just glaring.
[45:39.400 --> 45:44.920]  And there was no reason to be so hostile because these people weren't doing anything that was, you know, bad.
[45:45.120 --> 45:45.780]  They were chanting.
[45:46.140 --> 45:47.040]  They were just observing.
[45:47.080 --> 45:48.720]  You should have seen the looks on their faces.
[45:48.860 --> 45:49.580]  That was hostile.
[45:49.960 --> 45:55.900]  And, you know, basically everybody made it to in front of Penn Station, which is sort of hanging out there for a while.
[45:56.500 --> 46:00.660]  And these, basically, these cops with the white shirts, what do you call those guys?
[46:00.820 --> 46:01.800]  You know, the white shirted cops?
[46:01.960 --> 46:03.200]  They're the ones that think they're in charge?
[46:03.340 --> 46:03.800]  The Klan.
[46:04.460 --> 46:05.740]  You might as well call them that.
[46:05.920 --> 46:07.800]  I think the captains, the sergeants, or what?
[46:07.860 --> 46:09.420]  I don't keep track of their rank and file.
[46:09.960 --> 46:13.260]  But, you know, I was talking to a few friends in front of Penn Station.
[46:13.360 --> 46:15.040]  And one of them just comes up to us and says, move.
[46:15.900 --> 46:17.860]  And I'm like, uh, what?
[46:18.620 --> 46:20.280]  I'm not your slave here.
[46:20.400 --> 46:20.680]  What is it?
[46:20.700 --> 46:21.720]  I'm standing on a sidewalk?
[46:21.820 --> 46:24.280]  You're just going to walk up to me and say rudely to move like that?
[46:24.920 --> 46:26.720]  We basically just all ignored him.
[46:26.820 --> 46:27.680]  And he walked away.
[46:28.300 --> 46:29.460]  And it was pretty weird.
[46:29.640 --> 46:31.840]  It was pretty weird that these people were taking this kind of strange attitude.
[46:32.040 --> 46:34.740]  So, anyway, the point of this whole story is, it was a great event.
[46:34.740 --> 46:35.840]  It was an amazing thing.
[46:36.000 --> 46:36.500]  All right?
[46:36.580 --> 46:38.200]  We went to this rally.
[46:38.560 --> 46:39.500]  20,000 people.
[46:40.180 --> 46:41.420]  Talked about all kinds of issues.
[46:41.680 --> 46:42.600]  Marched to the post office.
[46:42.700 --> 46:43.980]  Had this incredible demonstration.
[46:44.180 --> 46:45.040]  Shut down 8th Avenue.
[46:45.220 --> 46:46.060]  And you know what?
[46:46.140 --> 46:49.000]  There wasn't a single word about it in the media anywhere.
[46:49.380 --> 46:50.600]  I looked all over the place.
[46:50.740 --> 46:51.760]  I looked in the Times.
[46:52.020 --> 46:52.920]  I looked on TV.
[46:52.960 --> 46:53.980]  I listened to the radio.
[46:53.980 --> 46:57.480]  And with the exception of BAI, nobody even mentioned it.
[46:58.160 --> 46:59.800]  And do you know how upset that got me?
[46:59.980 --> 47:06.260]  The New York Times will have, when they do talk about other parties, will have a little bitty paragraph off on the right.
[47:06.260 --> 47:09.560]  And they'll have four huge pages about Gore and Bush.
[47:09.560 --> 47:12.000]  And on the New York Times website, they did have a story about it.
[47:12.120 --> 47:13.620]  It was the Associated Press story.
[47:13.640 --> 47:18.900]  And that same story appeared on CNN, MSNBC, Fox News, ABC.
[47:18.900 --> 47:19.060]  The ABC.
[47:19.780 --> 47:20.180]  Exactly.
[47:20.600 --> 47:21.760]  One news source.
[47:22.160 --> 47:22.840]  No competition.
[47:23.260 --> 47:24.220]  Tasked news agency.
[47:24.640 --> 47:28.420]  All over again, except done so much better than they could ever hope for.
[47:29.060 --> 47:31.840]  It's unbelievable the control the media has.
[47:31.840 --> 47:33.400]  They can make a story or break a story.
[47:33.500 --> 47:41.900]  Do you know, if that had been put on the news, how many people would have been aware of the fact that thousands of people are marching in the street outside Madison Square Garden, registering to vote.
[47:42.060 --> 47:43.400]  20,000 people have seen Ralph Nader.
[47:43.840 --> 47:48.800]  But by hushing this up, by making pretend it didn't even happen, they control the news.
[47:48.960 --> 47:52.520]  Ralph Nader is not a serious candidate because, well, nobody wants to see him.
[47:52.560 --> 47:53.280]  Nobody wants to hear him.
[47:53.480 --> 47:54.200]  20,000 people.
[47:54.320 --> 47:55.700]  That's more than saw any candidate.
[47:55.920 --> 47:58.960]  Because he talks about things like, I don't know, consolidation of the media.
[47:59.180 --> 47:59.580]  Exactly.
[47:59.820 --> 48:00.060]  Exactly.
[48:00.360 --> 48:04.700]  Did you know that one company owns eight stations in Denver, Colorado?
[48:05.160 --> 48:05.680]  One company.
[48:05.680 --> 48:07.040]  How many stations are in Denver, Colorado?
[48:07.040 --> 48:08.740]  Probably nine radio stations.
[48:10.000 --> 48:10.400]  Unbelievable.
[48:10.760 --> 48:13.600]  This signal, WBI signal, they could sell it for a lot of cash.
[48:13.640 --> 48:14.160]  Oh, absolutely.
[48:14.340 --> 48:14.880]  A lot of cash.
[48:15.240 --> 48:17.160]  99.9, right in the middle of the dial.
[48:17.280 --> 48:17.960]  99.5.
[48:18.440 --> 48:18.840]  99.
[48:19.060 --> 48:20.320]  Dude, what is wrong with you?
[48:20.400 --> 48:20.760]  Get with us.
[48:20.760 --> 48:23.300]  I'm only on this show once a year and I know the damn frequency.
[48:23.520 --> 48:23.840]  Okay.
[48:23.840 --> 48:24.420]  Here's the deal.
[48:24.600 --> 48:26.660]  212-209-2950.
[48:27.140 --> 48:34.320]  If controlling the media means something to you as an individual, then now is the time to call and place your vote.
[48:34.320 --> 48:37.480]  Because look what happens when you don't have control of the media.
[48:37.740 --> 48:39.180]  You can't talk about these things.
[48:39.300 --> 48:40.360]  They won't let you.
[48:40.660 --> 48:42.480]  They believe they own the airwaves.
[48:42.540 --> 48:43.200]  And that's wrong.
[48:43.320 --> 48:44.200]  They don't own the airwaves.
[48:44.280 --> 48:45.080]  We'll talk about that in a minute.
[48:45.260 --> 48:46.440]  212-209-2950.
[48:47.060 --> 48:48.120]  I want to see some calls come in.
[48:48.660 --> 48:51.940]  Because the Nazi calls come in tells me that you think that's okay.
[48:51.940 --> 49:02.320]  You think it's alright for one organization to own all these radio stations and decide what is news and what is not news and ignore things like what I saw a few weeks ago and whatever else will happen in the future.
[49:02.640 --> 49:03.800]  You can't put up with this.
[49:03.920 --> 49:05.200]  The airwaves belong to the public.
[49:05.200 --> 49:08.740]  The news should be reported as news.
[49:08.920 --> 49:09.800]  And it should not be covered up.
[49:09.920 --> 49:11.980]  And like Jello said, you've got to become the media.
[49:12.140 --> 49:14.420]  And part of becoming the media is supporting the station.
[49:14.720 --> 49:15.000]  That's right.
[49:15.000 --> 49:19.020]  When you give money to the station, then you are effectively the media.
[49:19.020 --> 49:25.900]  This is a very rare opportunity here because, I mean, I've been to many cities all over the country.
[49:27.140 --> 49:41.100]  And stations like BAI may exist in some form, but a station this big, this powerful, that can reach this many people, believe me, I think it's really the only one of its kind in the country.
[49:41.140 --> 49:46.840]  Because I've heard other stations that are as powerful and they don't devote the time that we do to the issues.
[49:47.300 --> 49:51.460]  And if you listen to this radio station any time, you will hear important issues.
[49:51.620 --> 49:52.320]  You won't always agree.
[49:52.420 --> 49:54.500]  In fact, maybe most of the time you won't agree.
[49:54.840 --> 49:58.260]  But who can say that you should not be talking about this kind of thing?
[49:58.300 --> 49:59.580]  And why would you say something like that?
[49:59.700 --> 50:03.520]  Well, that's what's being said with all the other radio stations because they don't cover it.
[50:03.560 --> 50:04.160]  They play music.
[50:04.260 --> 50:04.880]  They play commercials.
[50:04.900 --> 50:05.660]  They make money.
[50:05.820 --> 50:07.400]  And that's what they've turned it into.
[50:07.600 --> 50:10.340]  212-209-29501, call on the line.
[50:10.680 --> 50:12.140]  Let's make that several calls.
[50:12.240 --> 50:13.000]  I want to thank some people.
[50:13.140 --> 50:15.960]  I want to thank Gerald from Brooklyn for his donation.
[50:15.960 --> 50:17.940]  Abby from Pomona, New York.
[50:18.060 --> 50:18.880]  Have you ever been to Pomona?
[50:18.940 --> 50:19.640]  Pomona, New York.
[50:19.900 --> 50:19.920]  No.
[50:20.860 --> 50:22.820]  Benjamin from Old Bethpage.
[50:23.280 --> 50:23.980]  Not the new Bethpage.
[50:24.000 --> 50:24.640]  Old Bethpage.
[50:25.120 --> 50:25.200]  Yeah.
[50:25.380 --> 50:26.580]  That was pre-riot.
[50:26.880 --> 50:28.420]  And Tim from Greenlawn.
[50:28.640 --> 50:30.020]  And David from...
[50:31.040 --> 50:31.900]  Oh, my God.
[50:32.080 --> 50:33.820]  This is like one of these crazy places in England.
[50:33.840 --> 50:34.940]  This guy called up from England.
[50:35.020 --> 50:35.680]  That's cool.
[50:35.680 --> 50:38.260]  You know how in England they always have like several names for a town?
[50:38.380 --> 50:42.260]  It's Rabley Heath, Wellwyn, Hartfordshire.
[50:43.580 --> 50:44.800]  I mean, I don't get that.
[50:44.860 --> 50:46.400]  I guess one is a town or something.
[50:46.620 --> 50:47.900]  And one is a village.
[50:48.100 --> 50:49.180]  Well, you've been around that long.
[50:49.180 --> 50:49.800]  Maybe a county.
[50:50.620 --> 50:51.220]  That's great.
[50:51.340 --> 50:52.380]  We're getting calls from England.
[50:52.520 --> 50:56.300]  You see the importance of this BAI signal on the internet is reaching out to the rest of the world.
[50:56.300 --> 51:01.280]  For someone to think it's that important from England to call up, that should tell you something.
[51:01.440 --> 51:02.280]  That really should tell you something.
[51:02.400 --> 51:04.220]  212-209-2950.
[51:04.220 --> 51:10.160]  For $75, you'll get the Jell-O-B offer speech, the entire thing, well over an hour on video.
[51:10.800 --> 51:21.560]  And you'll also get an H2K baseball cap, as well as Jell-O-B offer's new album when it comes out, with portions of the H2K speech and a couple of H2K stickers thrown in just for good measure.
[51:21.560 --> 51:25.580]  Anybody pledging $25 or more will get the Jell-O-B offer CD.
[51:25.580 --> 51:28.140]  And everybody who pledges will get the stickers.
[51:29.200 --> 51:30.920]  212-209-2950.
[51:31.360 --> 51:35.840]  Tell us some more about these radio stations, about how there's no choice on the dial anymore.
[51:35.920 --> 51:40.580]  In Defiance, Ohio, one company owns three stations.
[51:41.340 --> 51:41.540]  Wait a minute.
[51:41.560 --> 51:44.400]  They have a town called Defiance and they submit to this kind of crap?
[51:44.440 --> 51:44.680]  Yeah.
[51:46.200 --> 51:47.640]  The irony of irony.
[51:47.760 --> 51:49.120]  212-209-2950.
[51:49.440 --> 51:50.340]  Four calls on the line.
[51:50.520 --> 51:51.580]  Let's build that up.
[51:51.660 --> 51:53.500]  We only have 390 bucks.
[51:53.500 --> 51:55.440]  You know, last pledge we had a few thousands.
[51:55.620 --> 51:57.000]  So let's build it up.
[51:57.080 --> 51:57.620]  This is important.
[51:57.760 --> 51:58.840]  It's never been more important.
[51:58.980 --> 51:59.980]  Two weeks before Election Day.
[52:00.600 --> 52:04.400]  I'll tell you, a lot of people are thinking hard about the choices out there and the lack of choices.
[52:04.680 --> 52:05.820]  You can make a difference.
[52:06.140 --> 52:07.980]  You can voice your vote here.
[52:08.240 --> 52:10.020]  212-209-2950.
[52:10.640 --> 52:11.100]  Look at that.
[52:11.220 --> 52:12.260]  Six calls on the line.
[52:12.440 --> 52:13.160]  There's people out there.
[52:13.300 --> 52:13.960]  We're reaching people.
[52:14.100 --> 52:15.780]  You know, I was traveling a couple of weeks ago.
[52:16.120 --> 52:17.560]  I went all the way up to Boston.
[52:17.760 --> 52:20.000]  And we get out to most of Connecticut.
[52:20.220 --> 52:20.720]  Do you realize that?
[52:20.720 --> 52:20.940]  Yep.
[52:21.120 --> 52:23.000]  This station is heard in Connecticut.
[52:23.220 --> 52:24.040]  It's heard in Pennsylvania.
[52:24.280 --> 52:25.000]  It's heard in New Jersey.
[52:25.380 --> 52:26.240]  Upstate New York.
[52:26.440 --> 52:27.040]  Long Island.
[52:27.240 --> 52:27.880]  Of course, Manhattan.
[52:28.540 --> 52:30.580]  And of course, everywhere else on the internet.
[52:30.580 --> 52:30.960]  Look at that.
[52:31.040 --> 52:32.360]  We made it into the second row.
[52:32.880 --> 52:33.580]  Haven't done that in a while.
[52:33.880 --> 52:34.540]  Seven calls.
[52:34.740 --> 52:35.660]  Keep it coming, please.
[52:35.820 --> 52:37.820]  212-209-2950.
[52:38.080 --> 52:39.760]  It's never been this important.
[52:39.760 --> 52:48.840]  I don't think I've seen so many people awake at one time as when I went to that rally and just saw all these people together, all thinking, all talking, all having a great time.
[52:49.600 --> 52:52.180]  And to the rest of the media, that's nothing.
[52:52.260 --> 52:53.360]  It means nothing.
[52:53.360 --> 52:54.260]  It didn't happen.
[52:54.740 --> 52:56.240]  It's so sad to see that.
[52:56.340 --> 53:02.400]  But it's great to see when people actually do vote, when they do respond, when they do think, when they do get together and talk.
[53:02.400 --> 53:03.480]  And I have a prediction.
[53:03.780 --> 53:07.280]  After this election, I think people are going to be changed.
[53:07.420 --> 53:12.700]  I think parties like the Green Party, I don't want to just focus on them because there are the third party candidates.
[53:12.840 --> 53:15.820]  I saw a debate on C-SPAN the other night, which I thought was really good.
[53:16.400 --> 53:20.160]  I think people are going to start believing that third party candidates are viable.
[53:20.160 --> 53:22.920]  And I think it will start on November 8th.
[53:23.080 --> 53:28.080]  They'll actually work towards the next election and the one after that and start changing things.
[53:28.340 --> 53:30.080]  212-209-2950.
[53:30.080 --> 53:33.040]  We have, oh boy, I lost count, nine calls on the line.
[53:33.280 --> 53:35.240]  I hope we have nine volunteers in there.
[53:35.380 --> 53:43.460]  This station is the last bastion of public radio because NPR stations and public television stations, PBS, they're playing commercials.
[53:43.960 --> 53:44.420]  That's right, commercials.
[53:44.700 --> 53:45.380]  They're playing commercials.
[53:45.600 --> 53:58.240]  And then when small synagogues and community groups say, we want a little bitty small station, NPR joins with the NAB to kill low power FM and they say, oh, it'll cause signal interference.
[53:58.240 --> 54:03.680]  Well, gee, the FCC and all the brilliant engineers seem to be bright enough to deal with your signals.
[54:03.680 --> 54:12.900]  You know, Laszlo, I was willing to settle for low power FM for, you know, this 10-watt little crumb that they tossed us.
[54:13.280 --> 54:24.120]  But then I got to thinking, you know, who the hell are these people at NAB and NPR to say, oh, no, you know, your little 10-watt station is going to interfere with our 50,000-watt station so therefore you have no voice at all.
[54:24.260 --> 54:27.020]  We're just going to continue selling our commercials and making money on the FM dial.
[54:27.020 --> 54:28.020]  You know what, guys?
[54:28.160 --> 54:29.600]  You don't own the spectrum.
[54:29.820 --> 54:30.860]  You're given a license.
[54:31.080 --> 54:35.260]  Yeah, you own the equipment, you own the building, you own the little tower, but you don't own the frequency.
[54:35.260 --> 54:36.100]  And it's time.
[54:36.160 --> 54:38.840]  It is time for people to start challenging these licenses.
[54:39.220 --> 54:40.860]  Now, we have to learn more about this.
[54:40.960 --> 54:46.160]  We have to know if the FCC actually takes any interest when a station doesn't serve its community at all.
[54:46.340 --> 54:47.860]  How do you define serving a community?
[54:48.100 --> 54:53.520]  Is it playing the kind of music people want to hear or is it actually covering news events that affect that community?
[54:53.520 --> 54:54.360]  I'll tell you what it is.
[54:55.040 --> 54:57.840]  I've worked in commercial radio for almost 10 years.
[54:58.060 --> 55:13.080]  And the way you have to show that you're serving the community, so every station, rock, country, on Sunday morning at about 4 o'clock in the morning when everybody's, you know, passed out or drunk or whatever, plays public affairs programming.
[55:13.600 --> 55:17.500]  And they have to play a few hours of it to show that they're serving their community.
[55:17.700 --> 55:19.440]  But guess where it gets buried?
[55:19.440 --> 55:27.960]  In the cheapest time slot, in the cheapest time slot, because the commercial time on Sunday morning is very cheap.
[55:28.480 --> 55:30.500]  Who listens to the radio on Sunday morning?
[55:30.580 --> 55:32.080]  And it's hard to sell.
[55:32.440 --> 55:33.840]  Or you listen to the radio on Sunday morning.
[55:33.920 --> 55:39.040]  But the point is, they make this ghetto of public affairs programming on every station at the same time.
[55:39.920 --> 55:43.420]  You know, they won't do it on a Saturday night or, you know, even on a Tuesday night.
[55:43.800 --> 55:45.440]  Whereas this radio station does.
[55:45.740 --> 55:49.420]  This radio station is public affairs programming around the clock of all different kinds.
[55:49.440 --> 55:51.080]  And you can always hear something interesting.
[55:51.280 --> 55:53.500]  And if you don't hear something interesting, tune in in an hour.
[55:53.640 --> 55:54.900]  You'll probably hear something interesting then.
[55:55.440 --> 55:56.740]  Other stations will not do that.
[55:56.840 --> 55:57.880]  They're out to make a buck.
[55:58.060 --> 56:04.480]  You know, I went to some websites of radio stations, seeing how I could get involved in the public affairs part of their radio station.
[56:04.480 --> 56:07.480]  You know, the only thing that you could email them on their site was?
[56:07.780 --> 56:08.160]  Sales.
[56:08.400 --> 56:09.340]  That's all they care about.
[56:09.780 --> 56:09.820]  Mm-hmm.
[56:10.060 --> 56:11.140]  And, and, get this.
[56:11.160 --> 56:11.820]  You'll love this.
[56:11.940 --> 56:13.480]  Go to the KROQ website.
[56:13.680 --> 56:15.560]  I don't know what it is, but you can figure it out.
[56:15.640 --> 56:16.400]  The KROQ website.
[56:17.200 --> 56:19.320]  They have public service announcements on the website.
[56:19.320 --> 56:20.440]  They don't have them on the air.
[56:20.560 --> 56:22.000]  They put public service announcements.
[56:22.120 --> 56:22.660]  They type them up.
[56:22.720 --> 56:23.100]  They print them.
[56:23.160 --> 56:24.040]  They put them on their web page.
[56:24.180 --> 56:26.780]  And that's fulfilling their public service to the community.
[56:27.180 --> 56:28.360]  Hell, I could do that.
[56:28.560 --> 56:29.360]  Anybody could do that.
[56:29.400 --> 56:31.980]  Anybody could put public affairs announcements on a web page.
[56:31.980 --> 56:34.440]  But they have a 50,000-watt radio station.
[56:34.560 --> 56:35.840]  What are they doing for the community?
[56:36.040 --> 56:37.500]  I don't want to just pick on one station.
[56:37.680 --> 56:41.760]  I want to pick on all the stations because they all are failing the community.
[56:42.540 --> 56:46.840]  And, you know, obviously, there are parts where BAI could do better.
[56:46.940 --> 56:51.320]  There are parts where we could expand and cover more people and give more voices out.
[56:51.480 --> 56:52.220]  We try.
[56:52.420 --> 56:53.000]  We really do.
[56:53.140 --> 56:55.060]  212-209-2950.
[56:55.240 --> 56:56.140]  And we listen.
[56:56.280 --> 56:58.800]  We listen when you call and talk to us.
[56:59.220 --> 57:01.060]  Now, what do we get when we pledge $25?
[57:02.020 --> 57:02.340]  Okay.
[57:02.340 --> 57:04.860]  Actually, the guys in the tally room, I should have talked to them about this.
[57:04.920 --> 57:05.680]  They don't have to do anything.
[57:06.020 --> 57:06.680]  They don't have to do anything.
[57:07.200 --> 57:07.980]  We just take all the names.
[57:08.920 --> 57:10.380]  Tallywoman's in here looking a little mad.
[57:10.920 --> 57:12.620]  You didn't tell me about no stickers.
[57:12.800 --> 57:16.680]  We take all the names later and we simply send everybody a CD.
[57:16.880 --> 57:18.260]  So you guys don't have to write down anything.
[57:18.720 --> 57:19.340]  So, yeah.
[57:19.420 --> 57:21.460]  I was late with the Mets traffic.
[57:21.740 --> 57:23.440]  So I didn't have a chance to go in there and tell them that.
[57:24.240 --> 57:24.860]  So, yeah.
[57:25.260 --> 57:30.740]  Don't bother the tally people with details on anything below $75 because they don't have it written in front of them.
[57:30.920 --> 57:35.980]  And I'm telling you now on the air and I'm giving you my word that everybody who pledges $25 or more will get a Jail B.A.
[57:36.000 --> 57:36.360]  for CD.
[57:36.580 --> 57:39.640]  Everybody who pledges will get a sticker or two stickers or however many we can afford.
[57:40.600 --> 57:42.740]  And 212-209-2950.
[57:43.040 --> 57:44.120]  That is our phone number.
[57:44.360 --> 57:45.500]  It's a sad day, you know.
[57:45.540 --> 57:49.140]  It's a sad day when you realize how powerless you are.
[57:49.140 --> 57:53.140]  But when so many people realize it at once, I think the power kind of gets transferred.
[57:53.400 --> 57:56.660]  And I think maybe we'll come out of this okay.
[57:57.020 --> 57:59.820]  You want to hear something frightening about Clear Channel?
[58:00.080 --> 58:00.320]  Go ahead.
[58:00.480 --> 58:02.800]  You really want these people bad.
[58:02.940 --> 58:11.240]  Well, it seems insane to me that one company should have the voice on 900 radio stations.
[58:11.380 --> 58:15.620]  It seems crazy that one company should be able to control 100 radio stations.
[58:15.620 --> 58:24.720]  Imagine if they decided that a particular news event was the number one news event and they put it on all 900 radio stations.
[58:25.020 --> 58:26.040]  What do you think would happen?
[58:26.160 --> 58:26.860]  That's what they do all the time.
[58:27.080 --> 58:27.780]  Well, here's what...
[58:27.780 --> 58:28.160]  They decide.
[58:28.440 --> 58:30.680]  They'll say this is the most important news item.
[58:30.880 --> 58:32.500]  Run this news item on all 900 stations.
[58:32.720 --> 58:35.520]  And everybody in America will say, hey, that's the most important news item.
[58:35.920 --> 58:36.200]  Wow.
[58:36.580 --> 58:37.560]  Talk about control.
[58:37.760 --> 58:38.340]  I mean, it's amazing.
[58:38.540 --> 58:42.380]  Here's another exciting part of the consolidation of the media industry.
[58:42.380 --> 58:44.520]  I used to have a lot of friends that worked in radio.
[00:00.480 --> 00:04.460]  This is a project brought by AMFM Clear Channel out of Boulder.
[00:04.920 --> 00:07.500]  A friend of mine actually is involved with it.
[00:07.940 --> 00:13.600]  You get a bunch of DJs in an area and don't pay them very much.
[00:13.720 --> 00:15.260]  Los Angeles DJs make a lot of money.
[00:15.380 --> 00:21.780]  So you do it in Boulder, Colorado, and you get these DJs and they come into a room every day and they read lines off into a microphone.
[00:21.780 --> 00:25.140]  They say, that was Pearl Jam coming up next.
[00:25.500 --> 00:28.980]  It's Limp Bizkit, right?
[00:30.260 --> 00:42.580]  That sound file goes out digitally to a radio station in Los Angeles, to a radio station in Phoenix, to a radio station in Seattle, and is instantly dropped between songs that are played off of a hard drive.
[00:42.720 --> 00:45.280]  Radio stations that don't even have any people in them.
[00:45.340 --> 00:45.980]  Isn't that amazing?
[00:46.220 --> 00:50.700]  And yet they make the same amount of money, but they don't have to pay anybody because there's no people.
[00:50.920 --> 00:52.180]  How does that serve the community?
[00:52.360 --> 00:55.940]  How do you tell people about an emergency weather condition or something like that?
[00:55.940 --> 01:01.400]  Things that the low-power 10-watt stations are doing and being told that they're not allowed to do that.
[01:01.600 --> 01:04.120]  These mega stations completely ignore it.
[01:04.260 --> 01:05.740]  Listen, turn it on yourself.
[01:06.040 --> 01:10.640]  See when you hear a local newscast that actually tells you something about the neighborhood you live in.
[01:10.860 --> 01:12.380]  But you know what really matters, Emmanuel?
[01:12.500 --> 01:13.920]  The K-Rock Dysfunctional Picnic.
[01:14.280 --> 01:15.240]  That's what it comes to.
[01:15.240 --> 01:16.300]  I have no idea what you're talking about.
[01:16.700 --> 01:18.040]  You know, these...
[01:19.000 --> 01:21.300]  Does anybody here know what the K-Rock Dysfunctional Picnic is?
[01:21.400 --> 01:22.180]  Don't look at me.
[01:22.180 --> 01:22.760]  Oh, come on.
[01:22.860 --> 01:24.760]  Or the Z100 Jingle Ball.
[01:24.940 --> 01:27.560]  All these silly commercial garbage.
[01:27.560 --> 01:29.420]  I don't know, but it's making me sick, the very thought of it.
[01:29.760 --> 01:32.780]  And all these radio stations are programmed by, like, three guys.
[01:33.640 --> 01:34.260]  Yeah, I know.
[01:34.300 --> 01:35.960]  The same three guys program all the stations.
[01:36.200 --> 01:36.320]  Right.
[01:36.640 --> 01:37.320]  That's another thing.
[01:37.340 --> 01:38.660]  We're talking about news and public affairs.
[01:38.820 --> 01:40.280]  Okay, let's talk about music a little bit.
[01:40.640 --> 01:41.080]  All right.
[01:41.140 --> 01:42.880]  How do you think things become hits?
[01:43.100 --> 01:52.060]  You know, it's all this big web of deceit that encompasses the record companies, the motion picture industry, and, you know, the radio stations.
[01:52.440 --> 01:55.820]  They decide who is going to be a success, who is not going to be a success.
[01:56.220 --> 01:58.220]  And, you know, you have no control over this.
[01:58.280 --> 02:04.340]  And the real danger of people running their own radio stations and community stations is that that power goes away.
[02:04.460 --> 02:11.520]  You see the same kind of reaction you saw against us over the summer by the MPAA when people, consumers, actually had control over technology.
[02:11.520 --> 02:12.340]  Well, you don't want that.
[02:12.360 --> 02:14.100]  You want to be able to dictate the terms.
[02:14.100 --> 02:18.340]  You want to tell people what to buy, how to use it, what's good, what's bad.
[02:18.340 --> 02:22.620]  You don't want people to have that ability because then all of a sudden you lose control.
[02:23.000 --> 02:24.340]  And who wants to lose control?
[02:24.560 --> 02:27.920]  The phone number is 212-209-2950.
[02:28.060 --> 02:30.160]  And we have a new deal.
[02:30.640 --> 02:31.220]  That's right.
[02:31.340 --> 02:31.940]  A new deal.
[02:32.140 --> 02:33.500]  The second hour deal here.
[02:33.660 --> 02:34.940]  To get us out of the great depression.
[02:35.100 --> 02:37.940]  I was going to make that joke, but I stood away from it.
[02:38.060 --> 02:38.540]  Well, I was kind of depressed.
[02:38.540 --> 02:39.980]  You, however, went off the cliff.
[02:40.240 --> 02:40.480]  Okay.
[02:40.600 --> 02:43.480]  I was a little depressed, but I'm not depressed now because we have a new deal.
[02:43.480 --> 02:49.080]  And this actually might be of note to some people who have already pledged.
[02:49.200 --> 02:54.340]  And again, this should be directed to people in the tally room because some people might be calling up to upgrade their pledge.
[02:54.460 --> 02:58.420]  And if they do, well, okay, we can just upgrade their pledge to this amount.
[02:58.420 --> 03:04.120]  Because for $200, I know it sounds like a lot of money, but for what you get here, oh, it's nothing.
[03:14.020 --> 03:14.740]  Until November.
[03:15.100 --> 03:17.480]  You could bootleg those and make your money back.
[03:17.860 --> 03:18.360]  That's true.
[03:18.500 --> 03:18.760]  You could.
[03:19.660 --> 03:21.020]  Thanks for giving people the idea there.
[03:22.220 --> 03:23.280]  Well, we can do this on VHS.
[03:23.280 --> 03:24.460]  So we'll now get one pledge.
[03:24.660 --> 03:25.600]  Hey, Mike from Columbia is here.
[03:25.840 --> 03:26.340]  How you doing?
[03:26.400 --> 03:26.500]  Hi.
[03:27.320 --> 03:28.040]  Do you have a suggestion?
[03:28.380 --> 03:33.900]  Well, I'm just glad that you're releasing on VHS, not DVD, because people will have their fair use, right?
[03:33.900 --> 03:34.400]  That's right.
[03:34.440 --> 03:34.780]  Absolutely.
[03:35.060 --> 03:40.260]  And one thing I'd like for people to do is get these on public access, on cable.
[03:40.620 --> 03:41.740]  You know, take them to public access.
[03:41.740 --> 03:42.620]  I'm not sure how it works.
[03:42.620 --> 03:43.760]  I've never actually tried it.
[03:43.840 --> 03:44.820]  I'm looking into it right now.
[03:45.100 --> 03:49.400]  But you can submit tapes and have them aired, and then the whole community can see it.
[03:49.460 --> 03:51.840]  For $200, you'll get every single panel.
[03:51.940 --> 03:53.900]  And let me tell you some of the things that are included there.
[03:54.540 --> 03:57.480]  There's the legal panel with us and Marty Garbis.
[03:57.600 --> 03:59.560]  There's John Johansson.
[04:00.400 --> 04:01.680]  There's hackers and the media.
[04:01.780 --> 04:04.800]  There's the whole mock trial with the MPAA versus 2600.
[04:04.800 --> 04:05.400]  That was riveting.
[04:05.620 --> 04:06.280]  That was great.
[04:06.400 --> 04:07.420]  That was really something.
[04:08.580 --> 04:10.920]  High School Horror Tales, the MTV panel.
[04:11.660 --> 04:13.440]  Just about everything that we have.
[04:13.740 --> 04:15.540]  I haven't gone through all of it yet.
[04:16.000 --> 04:17.900]  We're still in the process of doing that.
[04:18.020 --> 04:20.120]  And it's going to cost us a fortune to make these things up.
[04:20.200 --> 04:22.260]  But we're doing it because we want to make it available to people.
[04:22.280 --> 04:24.980]  And it should be available in mid-November.
[04:26.040 --> 04:27.760]  But for $200, you'll get everything.
[04:27.900 --> 04:31.900]  We're talking probably about 20, 24 hours of video right there.
[04:32.100 --> 04:32.640]  It's a lot.
[04:32.720 --> 04:33.300]  The whole conference.
[04:33.440 --> 04:33.700]  Wow.
[04:33.940 --> 04:34.080]  Yeah.
[04:34.320 --> 04:35.420]  That's like a Time Life series.
[04:35.580 --> 04:37.400]  I mean, it's going to be a big box that shows up at your door.
[04:38.640 --> 04:39.880]  That's going to be a really big box.
[04:40.020 --> 04:42.700]  You can have like a commercial on TV that's like, Daddy, what was H2K?
[04:43.660 --> 04:46.460]  212-209-2950 is the phone number.
[04:46.640 --> 04:47.720]  I don't see any takers.
[04:47.860 --> 04:48.180]  You know what?
[04:48.300 --> 04:50.320]  Nobody sees the value of this.
[04:50.440 --> 04:51.300]  There will be takers.
[04:51.440 --> 04:51.680]  All right.
[04:51.780 --> 04:53.980]  How much do you spend on beer and pizza every year?
[04:54.220 --> 04:55.040]  More than $200?
[04:55.440 --> 04:55.680]  Oh, yeah.
[04:55.740 --> 04:56.000]  Absolutely.
[04:56.520 --> 04:58.380]  This is something that can entertain the whole family.
[04:58.480 --> 04:58.700]  And also...
[04:59.580 --> 05:01.440]  While you're eating pizza and drinking beer.
[05:01.440 --> 05:03.980]  If you missed H2K, it's a great consolation prize.
[05:04.180 --> 05:05.320]  Although it's a bit more expensive.
[05:05.460 --> 05:06.020]  I'll give you that.
[05:06.100 --> 05:07.620]  But it's also something you can keep forever.
[05:07.620 --> 05:09.780]  And if you were at H2K, it's a great memorabilia.
[05:10.560 --> 05:13.220]  And, you know, something you can take with you.
[05:13.360 --> 05:15.160]  And most importantly, you're helping this station.
[05:15.280 --> 05:21.460]  At 99.5, my apologies for the early hour, it's an unprecedented resource we have here.
[05:21.820 --> 05:23.180]  And a $200 pledge.
[05:23.300 --> 05:25.440]  You get the videos, but you're helping us out.
[05:25.440 --> 05:25.740]  You know what?
[05:25.740 --> 05:27.440]  You also get the hat.
[05:27.680 --> 05:28.400]  And you get the hat?
[05:28.480 --> 05:29.380]  Yeah, you get the hat as well.
[05:29.500 --> 05:30.140]  You get the hat too.
[05:30.240 --> 05:31.960]  In fact, you get everything that we were mentioning before.
[05:32.200 --> 05:32.960]  You get the hat.
[05:33.120 --> 05:33.800]  The whole nine yards?
[05:33.800 --> 05:35.400]  The Jell-O be offered video is part of this.
[05:35.480 --> 05:35.940]  You get him.
[05:36.140 --> 05:37.840]  You get the stickers.
[05:37.880 --> 05:39.580]  And you get the CD when that comes out.
[05:39.780 --> 05:40.120]  For $200.
[05:40.460 --> 05:40.960]  For $200.
[05:41.280 --> 05:41.600]  Now, okay.
[05:41.740 --> 05:46.300]  So, if people don't see the value of this, let's delve back into H2K for a moment.
[05:47.100 --> 05:48.340]  And visit the...
[05:48.340 --> 05:49.940]  Were you at the social engineering panel?
[05:50.800 --> 05:51.660]  Oh, this was fun.
[05:51.760 --> 05:52.720]  This was a lot of fun.
[05:52.800 --> 05:53.360]  This was something.
[05:53.660 --> 05:54.220]  Now, all right.
[05:54.340 --> 05:55.540]  To set this up a little bit.
[05:56.320 --> 05:58.580]  Social engineering is something we do every hope.
[05:58.800 --> 06:00.040]  This is the third one we've done.
[06:00.280 --> 06:04.140]  And we always try to get something out of the various corporations.
[06:04.140 --> 06:06.480]  We try to get some information they're not supposed to give us.
[06:07.260 --> 06:12.060]  In this particular case, it was a little bit different because they were on to us.
[06:12.180 --> 06:13.580]  And they had published a memo.
[06:13.740 --> 06:23.680]  AT&T had sent out a memo to all its employees telling them to beware of giving out sensitive information because there was a hacker conference this weekend.
[06:25.240 --> 06:30.860]  So, basically, what we decided to do was call them and see if they would give us any information.
[06:31.500 --> 06:34.480]  And, well, let's just hear how that transpired.
[06:44.630 --> 06:46.210]  Did everybody else let that number down?
[07:02.090 --> 07:04.450]  AT&T Corporate Security, this is Jim.
[07:04.610 --> 07:05.090]  I'm a health...
[07:05.090 --> 07:06.930]  Yeah, hi, this is Mr. Goldstein.
[07:07.110 --> 07:08.430]  I'm over in sales.
[07:08.910 --> 07:09.850]  I'm in the Americas.
[07:10.610 --> 07:14.730]  I had gotten a memo about something that might be going on this weekend.
[07:14.870 --> 07:16.190]  I was wondering if you could give me more information.
[07:16.750 --> 07:17.170]  Okay.
[07:17.910 --> 07:31.230]  Concerning something having to do with information being obtained by people that weren't supposed to obtain it or something like that, there's very sketchy, I heard it third-hand, but there's something that we should be a little bit more careful this weekend.
[07:31.510 --> 07:32.970]  Do you have any information on that?
[07:33.410 --> 07:38.110]  Yeah, you should definitely be careful about giving any information.
[07:38.490 --> 07:46.730]  I mean, it's always a good idea to be especially careful of, you know, giving out information if somebody's calling in.
[07:48.490 --> 08:00.090]  This weekend, what's going on is some sort of a conference for hackers, and they're calling in and doing a lot of live demonstrations.
[08:01.650 --> 08:05.510]  And so they'll call in to different businesses and whatnot.
[08:05.650 --> 08:06.450]  I don't understand.
[08:06.870 --> 08:08.430]  What's the purpose behind that?
[08:08.790 --> 08:15.730]  Well, to obtain information so that they can use that to defraud, probably ultimately to defraud you or your business.
[08:15.730 --> 08:18.570]  You're saying there's a whole conference of people doing this?
[08:20.590 --> 08:22.090]  That's what I understand, right?
[08:22.650 --> 08:23.490]  And that's legal?
[08:25.930 --> 08:28.690]  I don't know the legalities around it.
[08:28.770 --> 08:31.490]  I guess, you know, for them to meet is not illegal.
[08:31.730 --> 08:35.910]  But, you know, certainly if they do something that's...
[08:37.430 --> 08:42.330]  You know, I don't know all the surrounding of it, but in a nutshell, be on the lookout, you know.
[08:42.850 --> 08:56.130]  Uh, this weekend, at any time, today, I know, was the day that, uh, by the way, the memo that you had received was, um, you received an email, or a hundred...
[08:56.130 --> 09:02.370]  Actually, uh, a co-employee who, uh, has since lost the memo, uh, told me about it, and that's why I'm calling for clarification.
[09:02.370 --> 09:04.290]  Is there anybody to get another copy of that?
[09:04.730 --> 09:07.310]  No, you were... you were in APT?
[09:07.730 --> 09:10.170]  Yeah, yeah, I went there to the Americas.
[09:11.090 --> 09:14.870]  Okay, um, do you have a... what was your name?
[09:15.390 --> 09:17.670]  Uh, it was all my interest to Goldstein, Armand.
[09:18.950 --> 09:21.650]  Um, if I give you a fax number, would you be able to just send that over?
[09:22.650 --> 09:23.690]  Well, I don't...
[09:25.410 --> 09:31.390]  I just find it amazing that, uh, you say there's a group of people that are planning to do something and nothing can be done to stop them?
[09:32.470 --> 09:34.310]  Well, I mean, it's like, you know...
[09:34.310 --> 09:34.830]  It's outrageous.
[09:34.930 --> 09:36.070]  ...the freedom of, uh...
[09:36.070 --> 09:38.350]  They're covered under the First Amendment to meet.
[09:38.610 --> 09:43.320]  And this is not, I mean, this is not something that could just...
[09:43.320 --> 09:45.040]  It's more or less, you know, the...
[09:45.540 --> 09:56.020]  They can't, obviously, in the meeting, advocate to doing anything illegal, but, uh...
[09:56.020 --> 10:02.260]  In the meeting, um, or for that purpose of probably, uh, you know, hackers, you know?
[10:03.280 --> 10:03.760]  Yeah.
[10:03.940 --> 10:04.500]  That type of thing.
[10:04.680 --> 10:18.680]  But, in general, uh, like I said, uh, yeah, anytime somebody calls in and asks for something like, you know, information that you wouldn't normally give out, it's just a good idea to get, or if they're claiming to be with a phone company or anything like that,
[10:19.280 --> 10:33.400]  um, or obtain information that you don't feel comfortable giving out, the memo just states, you know, don't, don't do what they're asking, um, without asking for their callback number, their name, and then call it back and verify that they're who they say they are,
[10:33.600 --> 10:34.700]  and all of that.
[10:34.920 --> 10:39.040]  That's the only thing the memo stated, you know, was in AT&T today.
[10:40.080 --> 10:40.520]  Uh-huh.
[10:40.900 --> 10:45.580]  And it went out to every AT&T office, uh, I assume, more than just locally, right?
[10:46.580 --> 10:47.020]  Yeah.
[10:47.020 --> 10:54.160]  Well, I know it was available in AT&T today and on Friday, I believe, um, I can...
[11:00.140 --> 11:01.000]  Can you hold, Ramon?
[11:01.240 --> 11:01.640]  Yeah, sure.
[11:02.220 --> 11:02.740]  Thank you.
[11:10.260 --> 11:12.180]  It's always a bad sign when they put you on hold.
[11:19.880 --> 11:20.860]  Thanks for holding.
[11:21.060 --> 11:22.260]  Your last name was Goldstein.
[11:22.480 --> 11:22.680]  Yeah.
[11:23.380 --> 11:25.740]  Uh, you know, this, this, this speaker...
[11:27.000 --> 11:27.220]  Uh-huh?
[11:27.820 --> 11:29.680]  It's not, it's in Radio Shack speakerphone.
[11:29.780 --> 11:30.200]  Oh, okay.
[11:30.540 --> 11:31.680]  Uh, what was your first name?
[11:31.820 --> 11:32.260]  Armand.
[11:32.360 --> 11:33.640]  A-R-M-A-N-D.
[11:38.220 --> 11:39.100]  Anyway, um...
[11:39.100 --> 11:46.880]  Uh, I was just looking internally if it's your, uh, email list there.
[11:48.060 --> 11:49.500]  I didn't see your name here.
[11:49.740 --> 11:49.900]  No.
[11:51.820 --> 11:53.260]  No, it's not likely you would.
[11:54.060 --> 11:54.500]  Okay.
[11:56.800 --> 11:58.740]  Why, why, why, why did that mean?
[11:58.940 --> 12:02.740]  Well, uh, basically, we were just, uh, making our first phone call.
[12:28.760 --> 12:29.480]  Oh, boy.
[12:30.140 --> 12:31.320]  At what point did you hang up?
[12:31.640 --> 12:33.000]  Uh, well, no, he hung up.
[12:33.060 --> 12:33.280]  He hung up.
[12:33.300 --> 12:33.820]  He hung up.
[12:33.980 --> 12:37.440]  I guess, I guess he, he, uh, didn't feel the need to communicate anything.
[12:37.460 --> 12:38.880]  When he heard several thousand people screaming.
[12:39.060 --> 12:40.360]  Yeah, that, that, that must have tipped him off.
[12:40.480 --> 12:41.300]  Well, that's, that's the thing.
[12:41.300 --> 12:47.700]  You really need the video for this, because the funniest part is watching the audience, like, grab at their chests and try to hold back the laughs.
[12:47.720 --> 12:48.240]  Yeah, it's hard.
[12:48.400 --> 12:49.000]  As you're doing this whole thing.
[12:49.000 --> 12:56.960]  I, I have to give them a lot of respect for holding back on that, especially that call, because, uh, uh, you know, imagine the irony there, you know, he's telling us about social engineering.
[12:57.140 --> 12:57.200]  Right.
[12:57.200 --> 12:59.160]  And we're social engineering him into telling us about it.
[12:59.160 --> 12:59.680]  At the exact same time.
[12:59.880 --> 13:01.200]  And, uh, pretty unbelievable.
[13:01.500 --> 13:05.080]  So, uh, yeah, that's, that's just a small part of the whole H2K package there.
[13:05.140 --> 13:07.740]  That's the social engineering panel, including an interview with Kevin Mitnick.
[13:08.420 --> 13:08.560]  Um.
[13:09.060 --> 13:11.360]  There was a lot of comedy at this, uh, on this show.
[13:11.480 --> 13:11.500]  There was.
[13:11.500 --> 13:12.420]  There was a lot of funny stuff.
[13:12.500 --> 13:12.960]  Always is.
[13:13.000 --> 13:14.800]  And you can get all the tapes for only 200 bucks.
[13:14.880 --> 13:18.080]  200 bucks, you get something like, I haven't even finished counting all the tapes yet.
[13:18.080 --> 13:24.380]  I think we're up to, uh, uh, I think we're up to about 20 hours so far, and we haven't even finished, you know, going through it all.
[13:24.540 --> 13:25.460]  That's a lot of video.
[13:25.460 --> 13:26.020]  We still have to.
[13:26.020 --> 13:27.300]  Maybe the only way that you sell them.
[13:27.400 --> 13:27.740]  Uh huh.
[13:27.860 --> 13:30.260]  Is through, uh, if people give a donation to BAI.
[13:30.440 --> 13:35.120]  And that way, like when the federal government is buying sets of them, you know, to, to look at.
[13:35.200 --> 13:35.520]  That's right.
[13:35.620 --> 13:37.440]  The federal government has to support BAI.
[13:37.500 --> 13:37.880]  There you go.
[13:38.060 --> 13:38.300]  All right.
[13:38.360 --> 13:41.640]  So if you're a fed out there, 200 bucks will get you a lot of surveillance equipment.
[13:41.660 --> 13:42.180]  It's a deal.
[13:42.360 --> 13:43.700]  It saves the taxpayers money.
[13:43.940 --> 13:44.920]  It makes your boss happy.
[13:45.220 --> 13:45.840]  It's not a problem.
[13:46.040 --> 13:46.440]  That's right.
[13:46.960 --> 13:49.740]  Uh, you'll get the, uh, the keynote speech by Jello Biafra.
[13:49.820 --> 13:54.320]  You'll get the King's Mob open source media making panel, which I, I just saw that yesterday and it was fascinating.
[13:54.320 --> 14:08.660]  Uh, hackers in the media, the social engineering panel, uh, the mock trial, uh, hacktivism, MTV, high school horror tales, selling out, uh, introduction to computer viruses, pirate radio 101, uh, John Johansson story.
[14:08.980 --> 14:10.020]  The list just keeps going on.
[14:10.060 --> 14:16.880]  I mean, just go to the h2k.net page and look at the, uh, all the panels that we had and you'll see we just did so much.
[14:16.940 --> 14:18.340]  And, uh, it's really cool.
[14:18.520 --> 14:19.120]  It's, it's amazing.
[14:19.300 --> 14:26.400]  You kind of put it behind you and you don't think about all the things that happened, but then you sit down and you watch it all and you realize, wow, this really was significant.
[14:26.400 --> 14:28.480]  This really changed some things.
[14:28.580 --> 14:29.560]  This just changed people.
[14:29.780 --> 14:31.820]  This is made a lot of people learn things.
[14:32.160 --> 14:33.260]  And that's what it's all about.
[14:33.380 --> 14:35.240]  And that's what makes us want to keep doing things like this.
[14:35.240 --> 14:38.900]  212-209-2900, $200 for every single video.
[14:39.800 --> 14:41.560]  Massive amount of videotapes there.
[14:41.940 --> 14:43.460]  And, uh, well worth it.
[14:43.540 --> 14:44.600]  Believe me, it's well worth it.
[14:44.860 --> 14:48.340]  Uh, for $75 though, you'll get just the Jell-O-B offer a speech.
[14:48.600 --> 14:52.680]  And everybody, uh, who pledges 75 or above will also get a baseball cap.
[14:52.980 --> 15:01.400]  Uh, and, um, everybody who pledges 25 or above will get the new Jell-O-B offer a CD, uh, which includes excerpts from the h2k speech.
[15:01.400 --> 15:04.340]  And everybody who pledges will get some H2K stickers.
[15:04.580 --> 15:06.800]  I think that pretty much makes it about as simple as possible.
[15:07.600 --> 15:09.460]  Laz, what was your favorite part of, uh, H2K?
[15:09.520 --> 15:11.180]  You were running around like a madman there too.
[15:13.640 --> 15:14.040]  Um...
[15:14.620 --> 15:15.320]  Watching Bernie.
[15:15.760 --> 15:16.640]  What was Bernie doing?
[15:17.840 --> 15:18.540]  Bernie was on...
[15:18.540 --> 15:18.580]  Bernie things.
[15:18.980 --> 15:25.640]  Bernie... Bernie was on a lot of panels and, uh, you know, like the old, uh, the antique...
[15:25.640 --> 15:25.820]  Uh-huh.
[15:25.880 --> 15:27.920]  I think it was like a shortwave panel that he did.
[15:29.060 --> 15:29.460]  Um...
[15:29.920 --> 15:34.860]  And then, of course, I helped organize the, um, Napster panel.
[15:34.980 --> 15:37.160]  And we had a lot of good people on that panel.
[15:37.340 --> 15:37.380]  Yeah, yeah.
[15:37.400 --> 15:38.460]  I haven't seen that one yet.
[15:38.480 --> 15:39.320]  We have that one too.
[15:39.640 --> 15:42.540]  That's got Jell-O-B offer and that's got a few other people as well on it.
[15:42.640 --> 15:46.460]  We, there was a lot of, a lot of smart folks on that.
[15:46.460 --> 15:49.400]  Yeah, I missed almost everything because I, you know, when you're running around coordinating...
[15:49.580 --> 15:51.120]  Yeah, it's, it's, it sucks.
[15:51.280 --> 15:52.820]  But, uh, that's the good thing about videotapes.
[15:52.880 --> 15:57.360]  If you miss it, you can, and I'm having so much fun now going through these things, watching them because I see all the things I missed.
[15:57.360 --> 15:58.440]  I'm having this much fun.
[15:58.640 --> 15:58.740]  Right.
[15:58.820 --> 16:04.300]  Imagine how much fun you can have watching this because you don't have to worry about, you know, putting it all together and making sure it gets sent out to everybody.
[16:04.300 --> 16:05.460]  All you have to do is get it.
[16:05.780 --> 16:06.180]  You know?
[16:06.280 --> 16:08.360]  And all that involves right now is a $200 pledge.
[16:08.360 --> 16:13.060]  And, I mean, there's so many things from this footage that, that, that you'll notice.
[16:13.200 --> 16:17.380]  Like there was a, there was a cop that came to H2C.
[16:17.400 --> 16:18.020]  Did you know about this?
[16:18.160 --> 16:18.200]  No.
[16:18.400 --> 16:27.060]  There was a uniformed New York City police cop that came up, came to like the press area and asked to get in for free because he was a cop and they're like, you gotta pay $40.
[16:27.860 --> 16:39.660]  Um, but just the, just the, the shots of the rooms of people and to see all the different kinds of people and hair styles and different sizes and colors of people.
[16:39.660 --> 16:40.060]  Yeah.
[16:40.240 --> 16:48.880]  It was, uh, especially the room where they had all the old computers that they were networking and that kid, that genius kid that calls into this show all the time.
[16:49.040 --> 16:53.280]  Well, now you're gonna make him a, swell his ego up to like, you know, the size of this room now.
[16:53.880 --> 16:54.320]  Genius kid.
[16:54.380 --> 16:55.160]  Nah, he was not like that.
[16:55.460 --> 16:55.760]  Nice.
[16:55.920 --> 16:56.880]  He was, he was cool.
[16:57.020 --> 16:57.120]  Yeah.
[16:57.120 --> 16:57.660]  He's a good guy.
[16:57.840 --> 16:58.160]  He's alright.
[16:58.740 --> 17:02.080]  He, uh, he told me, I interviewed him for, for my radio feature.
[17:02.240 --> 17:04.780]  212-209-29503 calls on the line.
[17:05.100 --> 17:09.540]  He said he, they won't let him touch the computers in the library he wore at school.
[17:10.220 --> 17:11.980]  Cause he went down to a DOS prompt.
[17:12.400 --> 17:14.180]  So many people there had similar stories.
[17:14.340 --> 17:20.500]  In fact, we had a couple of panels where people were telling stories like that about how they get ostracized because they're too smart, because they figure things out.
[17:20.900 --> 17:26.420]  And, you know, it makes you wonder where we're heading in our society when we, uh, treat people who are smart as if they're criminals.
[17:26.600 --> 17:28.040]  We're heading towards George W.
[17:28.180 --> 17:28.420]  Bush.
[17:28.940 --> 17:29.380]  You think so?
[17:29.400 --> 17:30.140]  Running for president.
[17:30.440 --> 17:31.700]  Look, the man is an idiot.
[17:31.820 --> 17:32.720]  The dumber the better.
[17:32.900 --> 17:34.240]  I thought you were looking at a poll or something.
[17:34.420 --> 17:34.580]  No.
[17:34.980 --> 17:36.760]  You be glad George Bush can't talk.
[17:37.740 --> 17:40.360]  You be glad, because if you can put a sentence together, we're serious.
[17:40.360 --> 17:42.200]  I take great joy in that fact, because...
[17:42.200 --> 17:44.060]  Well, he seemed to have creamed Al Gore in the debates.
[17:44.280 --> 17:48.600]  The master debater that is Al Gore seemed to have a lot of trouble with the idiot George Bush.
[17:48.820 --> 17:52.540]  And this is the only radio station in New York that's talking about any of the third-party candidates.
[17:52.740 --> 17:52.980]  That's right.
[17:53.080 --> 17:57.680]  It's a telling day when Ralph Nader and Pat Buchanan are joining together to fight for a common cause.
[17:57.880 --> 17:58.040]  Isn't that something?
[17:59.160 --> 18:00.180]  That says a lot.
[18:00.320 --> 18:00.780]  That's amazing.
[18:00.780 --> 18:02.660]  212-209-2950.
[18:02.880 --> 18:03.940]  Beat me to the phone number.
[18:04.140 --> 18:04.460]  Sorry.
[18:04.660 --> 18:06.040]  We only have three calls on the line.
[18:06.120 --> 18:06.560]  Let's get some more.
[18:06.660 --> 18:08.860]  We're up to $12.90 total.
[18:09.040 --> 18:10.820]  We want to get it up significantly higher.
[18:10.940 --> 18:11.080]  $10.
[18:11.380 --> 18:12.180]  Just call and give $10.
[18:12.580 --> 18:14.500]  212-209-2950.
[18:14.720 --> 18:16.000]  Yeah, you'll get some stickers at least for that.
[18:16.060 --> 18:16.360]  Yeah.
[18:16.620 --> 18:19.060]  Then you can put them on a police car or something.
[18:19.260 --> 18:19.800]  It makes a difference.
[18:19.860 --> 18:20.040]  Sure.
[18:20.260 --> 18:22.460]  And you'll get to keep hearing this program and many others.
[18:22.720 --> 18:25.400]  Yes, and then we'll stop saying the phone number over and over again.
[18:25.720 --> 18:27.740]  212-209-2950.
[18:28.160 --> 18:28.620]  That's right.
[18:28.620 --> 18:32.840]  We've done a lot over the years on this radio station, on this radio show.
[18:33.460 --> 18:42.120]  And this is only one show of many on the station, which is why it's important for everybody who listens to just one program to donate to that program.
[18:42.180 --> 18:51.640]  So if you're out there and you only listen to Off the Hook and you think that it's a waste to donate to a station when you only listen to one show, no, it doesn't work that way because we all make up the place.
[18:51.640 --> 18:53.960]  We all build together and keep the place going.
[18:54.120 --> 18:57.140]  And we all have to do our part to make sure this place is here tomorrow.
[18:57.140 --> 18:59.020]  And it's a very important issue.
[18:59.260 --> 19:03.620]  And everybody who feels a part of a program should take part in that.
[19:03.620 --> 19:05.380]  It's like voting.
[19:05.500 --> 19:11.120]  It really is because you're basically investing yourself into something you believe in.
[19:11.260 --> 19:16.160]  And if you believe you can make change, well, this is the place where you can make that kind of change.
[19:16.160 --> 19:17.920]  I like that parallel to voting.
[19:18.640 --> 19:23.140]  Because, you know, whenever you vote and you start walking out of the polling place, you have that feeling.
[19:23.880 --> 19:24.400]  You get that?
[19:24.400 --> 19:26.020]  That feeling that you forgot to push the button?
[19:26.160 --> 19:26.800]  No, no, no, no.
[19:26.940 --> 19:27.720]  I hate that feeling.
[19:27.780 --> 19:31.860]  The feeling that, you know, wow, I pulled that lever and I made a difference.
[19:32.320 --> 19:36.260]  You know, it makes you feel part of something a lot larger than yourself.
[19:36.260 --> 19:41.220]  And that's the kind of unity behind this station that you can find when you actually pledge and become a member.
[19:41.280 --> 19:42.400]  But you've got to pull the right lever, though.
[19:42.540 --> 19:42.740]  Yeah.
[19:42.740 --> 19:45.760]  Because if you pull the lever everybody else pulls, you're not making any difference.
[19:45.880 --> 19:48.100]  Well, you pull the lever that you should be pulling.
[19:48.100 --> 19:49.320]  Pull the lever you believe in.
[19:49.320 --> 19:54.620]  And if you don't give at least five or ten bucks to this station, you are jumping the turnstiles, ladies and gentlemen.
[19:54.820 --> 19:54.980]  Yeah.
[19:55.120 --> 19:56.900]  Yeah, well, I guess that's another way of looking at it.
[19:56.900 --> 19:58.000]  You are cheating the system.
[19:58.840 --> 20:00.300]  212-209-2950.
[20:00.460 --> 20:06.440]  Let's load up these phone lines because we have some really great packages here to give away for people who call in.
[20:06.480 --> 20:10.140]  But again, I've got to point out, it's not about getting free things in the mail.
[20:10.140 --> 20:12.460]  It's not about, you know, calling to get a hat or whatever.
[20:12.460 --> 20:14.420]  It's calling to keep the station going.
[20:14.800 --> 20:15.960]  We don't have commercials.
[20:15.960 --> 20:19.280]  If we had commercials, well, we wouldn't be on the air, I can guarantee you that.
[20:19.340 --> 20:22.480]  Because there would be no sponsor that would let us say the things that we say.
[20:22.760 --> 20:24.620]  Nobody's going to sponsor a hacker show.
[20:24.820 --> 20:26.740]  Remember what we made you say last Pledge Drive, Isaac?
[20:27.520 --> 20:29.040]  What did you make me say last Pledge Drive?
[20:29.040 --> 20:30.440]  We made you say that Microsoft sucks.
[20:31.080 --> 20:32.240]  Are you prepared to say that again?
[20:32.360 --> 20:33.440]  I did that for the station.
[20:33.820 --> 20:34.380]  Alright, listen.
[20:34.840 --> 20:35.740]  Why, is he lying to Microsoft?
[20:36.080 --> 20:37.160]  If we get one more call...
[20:37.160 --> 20:40.540]  I don't like Microsoft, but I don't see what everyone has a problem with them for.
[20:40.540 --> 20:40.740]  Alright.
[20:41.300 --> 20:45.720]  Let's see if we can light up the phone lines for people who are pledged if you say Microsoft sucks on the air.
[20:45.720 --> 20:46.740]  Microsoft sucks on the air.
[20:46.960 --> 20:47.700]  Alright, I'll do that.
[20:47.940 --> 20:49.220]  Say Microsoft sucks now.
[20:49.220 --> 20:50.920]  Let's see if we get a phone call and we'll keep it up.
[20:51.000 --> 20:54.080]  Well, you know, you'll say Microsoft sucks more if more people call in.
[20:54.160 --> 20:56.840]  So, as a good-natured attempt right now to say...
[20:57.240 --> 20:57.500]  Yeah, go ahead.
[20:57.720 --> 20:58.640]  For WBAI.
[20:58.660 --> 20:59.660]  And say it like you mean it.
[21:00.440 --> 21:01.080]  Microsoft sucks.
[21:01.980 --> 21:03.060]  Alright, so far no calls.
[21:03.580 --> 21:05.680]  If more people give money, he'll say it with failing.
[21:05.680 --> 21:06.100]  Alright, there's a call.
[21:06.440 --> 21:07.560]  I got a call for that one?
[21:07.640 --> 21:07.780]  Okay.
[21:08.200 --> 21:10.440]  I should point out, I see the light flashing.
[21:10.600 --> 21:11.380]  I see another light flashing.
[21:11.460 --> 21:14.480]  These lights have to stay on, meaning that these people are actually giving pledges.
[21:14.480 --> 21:14.720]  Right.
[21:14.720 --> 21:17.580]  Not just calling in saying, I made Isaac say Microsoft sucks.
[21:18.020 --> 21:20.600]  Alright, we have six calls on the line.
[21:20.760 --> 21:25.100]  So, apparently a lot of people are saluting you for your courage in taking that stand.
[21:25.280 --> 21:26.940]  You know, there are people on other continents.
[21:26.940 --> 21:27.200]  The puppet of the listeners.
[21:27.440 --> 21:29.680]  There are people on other continents that have tuned in.
[21:29.900 --> 21:32.060]  I mean, begathons aren't the most exciting thing on the planet.
[21:32.200 --> 21:32.760]  I'll give you that.
[21:33.020 --> 21:33.260]  You know?
[21:33.380 --> 21:33.720]  That's true.
[21:33.980 --> 21:36.440]  There are people from other continents tuning into this begathon.
[21:37.500 --> 21:38.240]  That's saying something.
[21:38.660 --> 21:39.380]  It is.
[21:39.500 --> 21:40.160]  It definitely is.
[21:40.320 --> 21:40.640]  Absolutely.
[21:41.720 --> 21:43.700]  212-209-2950 is our phone number.
[21:43.840 --> 21:46.420]  We've got pounds, marks, and euros.
[21:46.760 --> 21:47.460]  Do we have any euros?
[21:48.160 --> 21:49.720]  You know, we talked about this last time.
[21:49.780 --> 21:50.800]  I'm not really sure how that's worked.
[21:50.800 --> 21:53.100]  I don't think they have the currency out yet, but they're trading.
[21:53.300 --> 21:54.320]  The banks are doing things in euros.
[21:54.340 --> 21:54.780]  I think that's how it works.
[21:54.780 --> 21:56.220]  They're playing with the euro, but no one has it.
[21:56.360 --> 21:57.000]  I don't think so.
[21:57.060 --> 21:59.080]  Because if you go over there now, you'll still get the old currency.
[21:59.380 --> 21:59.520]  Okay.
[21:59.520 --> 22:01.160]  That's pretty much what I think happens.
[22:01.540 --> 22:02.700]  212-209-2950.
[22:03.280 --> 22:04.740]  Join the four calls on the line.
[22:05.140 --> 22:06.520]  And you'll get to hear Isaac say...
[22:07.760 --> 22:08.560]  Microsoft sucks.
[22:08.680 --> 22:08.900]  More.
[22:09.040 --> 22:10.460]  You'll get to hear him say it even more.
[22:10.600 --> 22:12.360]  So we got a good response from the last one.
[22:12.420 --> 22:13.440]  Here's some more calls coming in.
[22:13.920 --> 22:14.900]  This is how...
[22:15.320 --> 22:17.560]  For the listeners and for the station, I will...
[22:17.560 --> 22:19.720]  I don't care what KROQ and Z100 say.
[22:19.860 --> 22:21.040]  We know what people want to hear.
[22:21.240 --> 22:24.000]  People want to hear you say Microsoft sucks.
[22:24.320 --> 22:26.040]  Let me give you a quick story.
[22:26.040 --> 22:30.260]  I'm on several hundred radio stations nationwide for 60 seconds a day.
[22:30.420 --> 22:32.240]  60 seconds with a technology update, right?
[22:32.480 --> 22:32.600]  Right.
[22:32.620 --> 22:34.060]  I got a call from a station the other day.
[22:34.140 --> 22:35.660]  It says, Laszlo, we're not running you anymore.
[22:35.700 --> 22:36.280]  And I said, why?
[22:36.400 --> 22:36.460]  Why?
[22:36.620 --> 22:37.420]  And they said, we got bought.
[22:38.440 --> 22:41.300]  We got bought by one of the big companies.
[22:41.520 --> 22:44.660]  And their policy is, if we don't own it, don't run it.
[22:44.900 --> 22:45.120]  Wow.
[22:45.120 --> 22:49.260]  Because if you're running something else, then that revenue is going outside of the company.
[22:50.320 --> 22:53.620]  Now you see, here at this radio station, we are not owned.
[22:54.260 --> 22:55.540]  We are all individuals.
[22:55.800 --> 22:57.160]  The radio station does not own us.
[22:57.280 --> 23:04.540]  We talk about things that are important, things that matter, things that are of interest to our listeners.
[23:04.820 --> 23:09.620]  And I think I'd be remiss if I didn't touch upon some things, obviously, that were of interest to our listeners.
[23:09.800 --> 23:15.860]  There's been a lot of activity, a lot of talk about Pacifica, you know, and conflicts with the station and things like that.
[23:15.860 --> 23:27.140]  But I've heard people say that the way to respond to this, the way to respond to Pacifica having differences with some programmers and some, in fact, some radio stations, is to not support the station.
[23:27.500 --> 23:30.820]  It's to just simply walk away and say, I'm boycotting.
[23:30.820 --> 23:30.960]  Go ahead.
[23:31.200 --> 23:32.260]  I'm boycotting the station.
[23:32.400 --> 23:33.340]  I'm not going to support the station.
[23:34.260 --> 23:39.000]  Now, I'm all in favor of, you know, talking about this as much as it needs to be talked about.
[23:39.040 --> 23:39.640]  And it should be.
[23:39.720 --> 23:44.860]  And I don't think anybody here at this radio station is going to shy away from that and pretend things aren't happening.
[23:44.860 --> 23:46.660]  Because we'd be real hypocrites if we did that.
[23:46.660 --> 23:58.280]  In fact, you know, tomorrow there's a demonstration outside the radio station at, I think, 530 to support one of the shows on this radio station that is in danger, that is potentially in danger.
[23:58.860 --> 23:59.580]  Democracy Now!
[23:59.620 --> 24:00.940]  It's a whole big controversy.
[24:01.140 --> 24:03.540]  You can read about it on safepacifica.org.
[24:03.860 --> 24:04.780]  Why is it in trouble?
[24:04.960 --> 24:06.020]  There's a whole big thing.
[24:06.320 --> 24:07.960]  If we have time, we can get into it.
[24:08.020 --> 24:14.620]  But my point is, we have people showing up who care about a radio program, one program on a station, all right?
[24:14.680 --> 24:15.640]  These people care.
[24:15.640 --> 24:17.340]  These are our listeners.
[24:17.640 --> 24:20.840]  They really give a crap about the station, all right?
[24:20.900 --> 24:27.940]  So how can you say, if you care about the radio station, that you won't support it because someone else is trying to do something bad to it?
[24:28.240 --> 24:30.240]  You know, that's wrong.
[24:30.500 --> 24:35.000]  You have to support the station so that the station is there so you can defend it.
[24:35.080 --> 24:38.500]  If you don't support the radio station, somebody else will.
[24:38.700 --> 24:42.440]  We have a 50,000-watt radio station in the middle of the FM dial in New York City.
[24:42.440 --> 24:46.280]  If every single listener decided, hey, you know, I don't like what Pacifica is doing.
[24:46.440 --> 24:47.120]  I'm going to drop out.
[24:47.360 --> 24:48.640]  Well, gee whiz, what do you think is going to happen?
[24:48.740 --> 24:52.060]  You think, you know, the station is just going to say, okay, yeah, you win.
[24:52.120 --> 24:58.540]  No, the station will go to somebody who can support it, and the listeners will be seen as being irrelevant, totally irrelevant.
[24:58.540 --> 25:01.120]  And that's if you have a significant effect.
[25:01.220 --> 25:06.780]  And if you don't have a significant effect, then you've lost again because the station will survive regardless of what you say.
[25:06.860 --> 25:17.160]  Now, it's a lot like voting because if you support the radio station, if you pledge money, you are voting and you've earned a right to say something about the station because you're a part of it.
[25:17.160 --> 25:18.100]  You're one of our sponsors.
[25:18.520 --> 25:22.060]  And we want to hear from the people who sponsor this radio station.
[25:22.200 --> 25:24.000]  212-209-2950.
[25:24.960 --> 25:26.180]  Pledge to the radio station.
[25:26.340 --> 25:27.480]  Keep the radio station going.
[25:27.620 --> 25:28.220]  Keep it strong.
[25:28.440 --> 25:31.860]  And whatever is happening down the road, we will deal with it together.
[25:32.360 --> 25:34.760]  But it's very important nobody jumps off the ship.
[25:35.600 --> 25:36.820]  It's frightfully important.
[25:37.020 --> 25:38.260]  I'll be at the demonstration tomorrow.
[25:38.260 --> 25:42.780]  I'm sure a lot of people will be there to voice support for the great programs that are on this radio station.
[25:42.780 --> 25:44.760]  And I think it can be a very positive thing.
[25:44.920 --> 25:48.840]  And I think a lot of people at this radio station, including management people, care.
[25:49.300 --> 25:52.640]  You know, I don't want to see this whole big union management thing develop, you know, unless it has to.
[25:52.820 --> 25:55.340]  Unless people actually are doing really bad things.
[25:55.380 --> 25:58.500]  But I think there's a lot of people on both sides who really get it.
[25:58.580 --> 26:01.200]  And you can't just, you know, you can't just ignore that.
[26:01.220 --> 26:02.380]  You can't be all divisive.
[26:02.920 --> 26:05.920]  It's extremely important that people support the radio station.
[26:06.040 --> 26:07.820]  Keep it here no matter what you may hear.
[26:07.900 --> 26:08.420]  Thank you very much.
[26:09.120 --> 26:10.940]  Let me rattle off a phone number for you real quick.
[26:10.940 --> 26:17.040]  If you want to throw a $5 bill at Pacifica Radio, it's 212-209-2950.
[26:17.420 --> 26:18.600]  And we have some more people to thank.
[26:18.740 --> 26:20.440]  We want to thank Dino from Brooklyn.
[26:20.800 --> 26:22.720]  And Steve from New York.
[26:23.300 --> 26:25.480]  George from College Park, Maryland.
[26:28.160 --> 26:32.700]  And sub-level inceptions of Brooklyn.
[26:32.880 --> 26:34.960]  I'm not sure what that is, but it sounds really cool.
[26:35.100 --> 26:36.640]  Are you taking corporate money, Emmanuel?
[26:37.720 --> 26:39.440]  I don't think that's a corporation.
[26:39.440 --> 26:40.260]  I don't know.
[26:40.420 --> 26:44.060]  Well, you know, if I see Microsoft on here, I'll simply, I won't read their name.
[26:44.180 --> 26:45.760]  But I don't think they're going to call up.
[26:46.460 --> 26:48.700]  And Tierra from Oak Ridge, New Jersey.
[26:48.840 --> 26:50.360]  Thanks so much for the pledges.
[26:50.580 --> 26:51.660]  They're really helpful.
[26:51.980 --> 26:55.660]  And again, to all those people out there, the radio station is one of a kind in New York.
[26:55.700 --> 26:56.960]  You won't find anything like it.
[26:57.060 --> 27:00.320]  You won't find a place like this where issues matter.
[27:00.320 --> 27:05.000]  There are issues of all sorts, whether they're issues right here in the station, issues in Tibet.
[27:05.260 --> 27:12.100]  You know, you hear so much in a broadcast day on this radio station that you can't put a price on that.
[27:12.220 --> 27:13.740]  You absolutely cannot put a price on that.
[27:13.780 --> 27:15.580]  We're up to $1,865 total.
[27:15.580 --> 27:20.500]  And let me point out, a 60-second commercial in Boston, $6,000.
[27:20.940 --> 27:21.440]  Amazing.
[27:21.580 --> 27:22.180]  $6,000.
[27:22.500 --> 27:28.340]  And this time, since you started this show up, we have $1,865.
[27:28.520 --> 27:29.920]  Folks, these are your airwaves.
[27:30.120 --> 27:32.800]  You know, these people are making all this money on your airwaves.
[27:32.800 --> 27:34.900]  Because the airwaves belong to the public.
[27:35.080 --> 27:35.960]  It's part of the electromagnetic spectrum.
[27:36.420 --> 27:37.260]  You know, that's how it works.
[27:37.980 --> 27:40.540]  Except it doesn't really work that way in practice, unfortunately.
[27:40.780 --> 27:44.840]  It's, you know, the license turns into a property right to a frequency.
[27:45.500 --> 27:47.680]  And I no longer subscribe to that theory.
[27:47.800 --> 28:04.800]  You know, when I saw the true colors of the NAB, National Association of Broadcasters, and agencies like National Public Radio, where they actually consider people running 10-watt radio stations in their communities to be a threat to their megawatt stations,
[28:05.120 --> 28:07.580]  you realize it's not about fairness.
[28:07.580 --> 28:08.420]  It's about greed.
[28:08.600 --> 28:10.860]  It's about, you know, keeping their voice predominant.
[28:10.980 --> 28:14.660]  It's about, you know, NPR having a station every five miles on the non-commercial ban.
[28:14.860 --> 28:14.960]  Of course.
[28:14.960 --> 28:17.180]  I drove down to South Carolina last week.
[28:17.780 --> 28:18.960]  There's an NPR...
[28:18.960 --> 28:21.660]  I was never out of range of an NPR station.
[28:22.060 --> 28:22.640]  The entire...
[28:22.640 --> 28:23.620]  I could listen to...
[28:23.620 --> 28:26.840]  See, I don't mind that so much, but I do mind the overlap.
[28:26.840 --> 28:29.720]  Where I live, I can get six different NPR stations.
[28:29.940 --> 28:34.940]  And, you know, every single one of those NPR stations means that that's one less community station that's on the air.
[28:35.120 --> 28:37.440]  212-209-2950.
[28:37.640 --> 28:38.540]  Please give us a call now.
[28:38.540 --> 28:39.840]  We only have one call on the line.
[28:40.580 --> 28:42.380]  We're over $2,500.
[28:42.760 --> 28:43.080]  That's good.
[28:43.080 --> 28:43.680]  Not bad.
[28:43.860 --> 28:44.960]  I'm catching up with all the figures.
[28:45.080 --> 28:45.440]  What do you got there?
[28:45.520 --> 28:46.420]  I got some more cards here.
[28:46.960 --> 28:50.360]  I'd like to thank Junitz, who are regular at the 2600 meetings.
[28:50.500 --> 28:50.940]  Yes, yes.
[28:50.940 --> 28:54.220]  And he's a guy who coordinates all our broadcasting on the internet.
[28:54.460 --> 28:59.460]  So, the fact that this guy, you know, loses sleep coordinating our broadcast so people in Europe can hear us...
[28:59.460 --> 29:01.080]  He is working hard to keep us.
[29:01.100 --> 29:02.040]  He pledges on top of that.
[29:02.180 --> 29:03.180]  That is simply unbelievable.
[29:03.360 --> 29:04.100]  Thanks so much to him.
[29:04.120 --> 29:04.780]  He's a great guy.
[29:05.620 --> 29:07.280]  Greg from Atlantic Highlands.
[29:07.660 --> 29:08.160]  Where's that?
[29:08.680 --> 29:09.200]  New York.
[29:09.520 --> 29:11.600]  There's a place called Atlantic Highlands in New York?
[29:11.640 --> 29:11.780]  Atlantic Highlands.
[29:11.780 --> 29:13.120]  Sounds like they make scotch there.
[29:13.480 --> 29:14.760]  Sounds like something in Scotland.
[29:15.060 --> 29:20.980]  He also wants to have us announce that Ralph Nader Super Rally in Washington, D.C.
[29:21.120 --> 29:22.140]  on the 5th of November.
[29:22.300 --> 29:22.440]  Really?
[29:22.800 --> 29:22.980]  Wow.
[29:23.420 --> 29:24.340]  Two days before Election Day.
[29:24.420 --> 29:26.600]  You know, there's trains that run down there, from what I understand.
[29:26.700 --> 29:27.420]  Yeah, mass transit.
[29:27.460 --> 29:27.820]  Amazing.
[29:28.140 --> 29:29.080]  What a time to be alive.
[29:30.440 --> 29:33.000]  Jeff from Sayville, New York.
[29:33.240 --> 29:34.480]  No, Sayreville, New York.
[29:34.700 --> 29:35.040]  I'm sorry.
[29:35.380 --> 29:35.820]  Sayreville?
[29:36.040 --> 29:36.480]  Sayreville.
[29:36.620 --> 29:37.280]  I think it's probably Sayville.
[29:37.360 --> 29:38.320]  What's the area code?
[29:38.700 --> 29:39.140]  732.
[29:39.820 --> 29:40.720]  That's New Jersey.
[29:40.960 --> 29:41.780]  That's New Jersey?
[29:41.980 --> 29:42.740]  Yeah, you dimwit.
[29:42.780 --> 29:43.360]  That's New Jersey.
[29:47.640 --> 29:49.720]  Nika from New York, New York.
[29:49.920 --> 29:50.280]  Okay.
[29:50.560 --> 29:52.420]  And Christopher from West Seneca.
[29:53.080 --> 29:53.540]  Okay, folks.
[29:53.620 --> 29:55.540]  This is the only show we're going to be doing during this marathon.
[29:55.540 --> 29:57.000]  The marathon is winding down.
[29:57.000 --> 29:58.560]  So we do need your call.
[29:58.680 --> 29:59.440]  We need your call now.
[29:59.600 --> 30:01.220]  212-209-2950.
[30:01.400 --> 30:02.220]  We have several packages.
[30:02.580 --> 30:08.880]  We have the $75 package where you'll get the Jelleby Offer keynote videotape from H2K.
[30:09.000 --> 30:10.140]  You'll get an H2K hat.
[30:10.140 --> 30:11.880]  You'll get the Jelleby Offer CD.
[30:12.180 --> 30:13.840]  And you'll also get some stickers.
[30:14.360 --> 30:18.900]  Everybody pledging $25 or more will get the Jelleby Offer CD and the stickers.
[30:19.200 --> 30:20.720]  Everybody who pledges will get stickers.
[30:20.980 --> 30:25.740]  And for those of you who want everything for $200, you get every single video from H2K.
[30:26.460 --> 30:31.560]  It'll take you well over a full day without sleep to look at it all because there is so much that happened that weekend.
[30:31.560 --> 30:32.520]  Have some friends over.
[30:32.640 --> 30:33.340]  Make some popcorn.
[30:33.580 --> 30:33.880]  $200.
[30:34.300 --> 30:35.320]  Every single video.
[30:35.800 --> 30:40.180]  And also the H2K hat and the CD and the stickers.
[30:40.400 --> 30:41.100]  Emmanuel, I have a question.
[30:41.140 --> 30:42.640]  Where do you think a lot of people get their news from?
[30:43.220 --> 30:43.580]  In the morning.
[30:43.580 --> 30:48.480]  Well, you know, I think everybody gets the news from the same place, namely the Associated Press, I think, because everybody reads the same thing.
[30:48.600 --> 30:48.740]  No.
[30:49.020 --> 30:53.220]  In the morning, when people wake up, go to work, how do people get their news?
[30:53.340 --> 30:54.580]  The Joe and Phil Morning Show.
[30:54.780 --> 30:57.680]  They basically listen to one of these stupid people on the radio.
[30:57.840 --> 30:58.680]  They listen to the radio.
[30:59.040 --> 31:00.260]  There are markets.
[31:00.600 --> 31:01.460]  You don't say towns.
[31:01.540 --> 31:02.200]  You say markets.
[31:02.840 --> 31:04.480]  You don't say people either.
[31:04.600 --> 31:05.020]  What do you say?
[31:05.420 --> 31:05.780]  Consumers.
[31:06.860 --> 31:07.580]  Target audience.
[31:07.580 --> 31:13.840]  There are cities where all the news stations are owned by one company.
[31:14.060 --> 31:14.800]  And this is one of them.
[31:15.420 --> 31:15.740]  Yay!
[31:16.020 --> 31:16.560]  Did you know that?
[31:16.920 --> 31:19.100]  WCBS and WINS are owned by the same people.
[31:20.840 --> 31:21.740]  And WFAN, too.
[31:21.900 --> 31:22.960]  Yeah, they compete with each other.
[31:23.000 --> 31:24.160]  And this is a thing I can never understand.
[31:24.620 --> 31:26.260]  In fact, this happens inside Warner Brothers.
[31:26.340 --> 31:28.300]  If anybody works for Warner Brothers, please let me know how this works.
[31:28.500 --> 31:35.740]  But they have all these different organizations that do the same thing, and they compete with each other, and they call it competition, and they take it very seriously.
[31:35.740 --> 31:37.580]  But they're owned by the same people.
[31:37.720 --> 31:40.700]  And a lot of times, their studios are right next door to each other.
[31:40.700 --> 31:41.100]  That's right.
[31:41.780 --> 31:47.140]  You know, the people who do the morning shows at Hot 97 and Kiss FM, they're owned by the same people.
[31:47.320 --> 31:49.520]  They pass each other in the hallways.
[31:49.760 --> 31:50.200]  You know?
[31:50.380 --> 31:52.320]  You think you're listening to competing people.
[31:52.380 --> 31:53.400]  They put each other down, maybe.
[31:53.500 --> 31:53.980]  Who knows?
[31:54.200 --> 31:55.380]  They're the same people.
[31:55.820 --> 32:01.300]  Now, you know, it's one thing to have someone, you know, take over a spot on an airwave and just use it to make money.
[32:01.300 --> 32:05.940]  But when they start taking over all of the airwaves, you know, what do we do about this?
[32:06.120 --> 32:07.320]  And we've handed it away.
[32:07.560 --> 32:08.740]  People just like, ah, whatever.
[32:09.020 --> 32:09.220]  Yeah.
[32:09.640 --> 32:12.480]  You know, I won't pick up the phone and give 10 bucks to BAI.
[32:13.080 --> 32:13.440]  Eh.
[32:14.140 --> 32:15.300]  I live in fear of...
[32:16.060 --> 32:17.140]  You look like you're living in fear.
[32:17.140 --> 32:26.080]  Well, I always live in fear, but I live in fear of the day when, you know, we are no longer a match for corporate America, where they can just come in and say, we want this frequency.
[32:26.080 --> 32:27.220]  You guys get out of here.
[32:27.380 --> 32:27.840]  You know?
[32:27.960 --> 32:28.840]  And we become...
[32:28.840 --> 32:30.700]  What kind of music isn't played yet?
[32:30.940 --> 32:31.980]  Light Country FM?
[32:32.560 --> 32:32.960]  Light Country FM.
[32:32.960 --> 32:33.760]  I don't know.
[32:33.920 --> 32:36.140]  I'm sure they'll figure something out that'll appeal.
[32:36.140 --> 32:38.520]  And it'll be a very successful place, and they'll make millions of dollars.
[32:38.860 --> 32:42.440]  Or we can keep this place here by supporting it.
[32:42.540 --> 32:44.420]  212-209-2950.
[32:45.080 --> 32:47.160]  It's a really, really rare thing.
[32:47.160 --> 32:51.780]  You might notice that a lot of radio stations that are non-commercial are sort of relegated to the ghetto below 92.
[32:52.140 --> 32:52.340]  Yeah.
[32:52.500 --> 32:54.860]  We're right smack dab in the middle with 99.5.
[32:54.880 --> 32:56.400]  We're right in your face, right there.
[32:56.480 --> 32:57.180]  99.5.
[32:57.260 --> 32:58.380]  You can't get more in the middle than that.
[32:58.620 --> 33:01.960]  The thing is, below 92, the technical specs aren't quite as strict.
[33:01.980 --> 33:06.160]  You can have stations, you know, interfering with each other a lot more than above 92.
[33:06.340 --> 33:08.000]  They space out the stations more.
[33:08.100 --> 33:09.920]  And just go down the dial, and you'll see how that works.
[33:11.180 --> 33:12.240]  So we basically...
[33:12.240 --> 33:16.440]  We have a commercial frequency, but we're using it for non-commercial purposes.
[33:16.440 --> 33:18.420]  And I think that's a really good thing to do.
[33:18.500 --> 33:19.440]  It's a very rare thing to do.
[33:19.540 --> 33:23.180]  If you go into almost any other city in this country, you won't find something like that.
[33:23.760 --> 33:26.380]  So that's why it's especially important to preserve that.
[33:26.580 --> 33:28.820]  This radio station reaches so many people.
[33:28.940 --> 33:34.840]  It gets out to Connecticut, and to New Jersey, and Pennsylvania, and New York, and Long Island, and all over the place, and the rest of the world through the internet.
[33:34.960 --> 33:37.460]  And people realize what a valuable resource it is.
[33:37.580 --> 33:38.080]  It's unique.
[33:38.440 --> 33:39.520]  And be a part of it.
[33:39.600 --> 33:44.100]  When people come and visit the place, they say, you know, I wish I had a station like this where I live.
[33:47.020 --> 33:49.120]  Why don't you have a radio station like this where you live?
[33:49.200 --> 33:52.040]  It's because the spectrum has been given away.
[33:52.220 --> 33:53.400]  And how do we get it back?
[33:53.560 --> 33:54.940]  That's something we're going to be tackling.
[33:55.220 --> 34:01.560]  And how many radio stations go around talking about how to, you know, take over frequencies and radio stations, pirate radio.
[34:01.760 --> 34:05.860]  I don't even like calling it pirate radio because, you know, I think the true pirates are the ones who have taken it over.
[34:05.860 --> 34:11.400]  And the people trying to broadcast, you know, free speech information and various other things at low power.
[34:11.620 --> 34:13.000]  I don't consider those to be pirates.
[34:13.120 --> 34:14.120]  I consider them to be victims.
[34:14.380 --> 34:15.720]  Yeah, but the imagery is so fun.
[34:15.800 --> 34:17.460]  You know, guys with patches and parrots.
[34:17.540 --> 34:18.100]  R-M-A-G.
[34:18.260 --> 34:19.200]  Yeah, you know, peg legs and stuff like that.
[34:19.200 --> 34:22.480]  I don't think people with patches and pirates, uh, parrots.
[34:23.160 --> 34:24.560]  Pirates with parrots and patches.
[34:24.920 --> 34:27.960]  I don't think they like to broadcast very much.
[34:27.960 --> 34:28.460]  No, they don't.
[34:28.660 --> 34:29.580]  They sail the high seas.
[34:29.860 --> 34:32.380]  If they did, they would be relegated to these 10-watt stations.
[34:32.620 --> 34:35.360]  No, if they did, they'd probably be on a morning show with, like, Imus or whatever.
[34:35.540 --> 34:36.880]  Arr, here comes some Johnny Cash.
[34:37.000 --> 34:37.120]  Yeah.
[34:37.220 --> 34:38.460]  In fact, he wears sunglasses all the time.
[34:38.500 --> 34:39.520]  I think he probably has an iPad.
[34:39.780 --> 34:41.940]  212-209-2950.
[34:41.980 --> 34:42.860]  Those are the digits.
[34:43.040 --> 34:43.320]  Okay.
[34:43.520 --> 34:43.820]  All right.
[34:43.860 --> 34:44.800]  Let's see what we have to do here.
[34:45.280 --> 34:46.460]  Eddie and Blackbeard in the morning.
[34:46.460 --> 34:48.460]  Well, we do have six calls, so maybe it's not that important.
[34:48.520 --> 34:51.220]  But I do want people to realize that, you know, we're...
[34:51.220 --> 34:51.840]  The end is near.
[34:51.980 --> 34:53.560]  We're not giving away crap here, okay?
[34:53.700 --> 34:54.900]  We're giving away some good stuff.
[34:54.920 --> 34:55.800]  And you pay for this stuff.
[34:55.800 --> 35:01.740]  That's what kills me, is Immanuel pays for this stuff and gives it away so people give donations.
[35:02.020 --> 35:06.780]  Well, the way I look at it, it's the very least we can do because, you know, this place is a valuable resource.
[35:07.080 --> 35:08.320]  You know, it gives us a voice.
[35:08.720 --> 35:12.140]  We've had so many of our stories get out over the air, the whole fiber optic thing.
[35:12.220 --> 35:12.680]  Where did he go?
[35:13.340 --> 35:14.160]  Fiber, come back here.
[35:14.300 --> 35:15.340]  He disappeared into the lobby.
[35:15.340 --> 35:17.520]  This next piece actually has to do with him a little bit.
[35:18.260 --> 35:24.960]  Fiber, Bernie S., Kevin Mitnick, and, you know, unfortunately all the stories of the future that we don't yet know about, I'm sure we'll be talking about here.
[35:24.960 --> 35:28.040]  But imagine if this place wasn't here, we wouldn't be able to talk about it.
[35:28.980 --> 35:29.520]  All right.
[35:30.500 --> 35:32.280]  You know the name Robert Steele, right?
[35:32.560 --> 35:32.880]  Yes.
[35:33.140 --> 35:45.800]  And Robert Steele, a former CIA operative who gave the keynote address at the First Hope, also gave a couple of talks at H2K, including this impromptu talk that took place late at night.
[35:47.320 --> 35:49.880]  And basically, he just talked for two hours.
[35:50.120 --> 35:50.920]  That thing was amazing.
[35:51.120 --> 35:51.860]  Everybody loved that.
[35:52.360 --> 35:53.760]  I've got to send that to my father.
[35:53.940 --> 35:54.100]  Yeah.
[35:54.400 --> 35:59.960]  So this is part of a two hour videotape of the many events that took place at H2K.
[36:00.000 --> 36:01.240]  He had that room packed too.
[36:01.500 --> 36:01.540]  He did.
[36:01.540 --> 36:02.020]  He sure did.
[36:02.520 --> 36:10.480]  Here's a few minutes of some of the back and forth on the Robert Steele question and answer with a very fascinated audience.
[36:10.640 --> 36:15.900]  You'll get this for a pledge of $200 and you'll get everything else that happened at H2K for a pledge of $75.
[36:15.900 --> 36:21.700]  You'll get the Jello Biafra keynote address and you can ask our tally people for all the other details.
[36:21.840 --> 36:23.700]  212-209-2950.
[36:23.940 --> 36:24.980]  Please call while this is playing.
[36:29.360 --> 36:33.640]  90% of the value of signals intelligence is not from decrypting the message.
[36:33.860 --> 36:35.580]  It's from pattern analysis.
[36:36.500 --> 36:36.800]  Okay.
[36:37.500 --> 36:41.600]  90% of the value of signals is from pattern analysis.
[36:42.260 --> 36:51.440]  If you all of a sudden see a new set of signals going between North Korea and Miami, Florida, this is a clue.
[36:52.340 --> 36:52.820]  Okay.
[36:55.340 --> 36:57.620]  Pattern analysis is where most of it's at.
[36:58.140 --> 37:00.560]  The reality is we don't have the time.
[37:00.840 --> 37:02.840]  We certainly don't have the language skills.
[37:03.980 --> 37:09.000]  You know, I mean, you want to screw with the US government, just hold all your conversations in Urdu.
[37:09.460 --> 37:13.000]  You know, Tamil or Tagalog.
[37:15.060 --> 37:17.040]  We really stink at foreign languages.
[37:18.120 --> 37:27.180]  And so what you got to do is you got to get to the point where a lot of this stuff is either declassified or it's outsourced to people who speak that language who can do the translation.
[37:27.420 --> 37:33.760]  And I've been trying to tell the intelligence community for years that the private sector can keep a secret without having a clearance.
[37:34.420 --> 37:39.680]  I mean, most of us want to be able to earn our money honestly and to get that money and that client again.
[37:40.000 --> 37:47.340]  And so we're willing to, you know, I have people that translate Arabic for me and Indonesian and things like that.
[37:47.460 --> 37:50.440]  And they're all over the world when I need them.
[37:50.520 --> 37:52.200]  And I only pay them for what they do.
[37:52.200 --> 37:54.760]  And I'm pretty sure they're not posting everything.
[37:54.900 --> 37:58.380]  And even if they did post what they were translating, it doesn't matter because it wasn't secret in the first place.
[37:58.960 --> 37:59.600]  Over here.
[37:59.780 --> 38:00.360]  Both of you.
[38:00.500 --> 38:01.140]  No, not you.
[38:01.200 --> 38:02.060]  You've already asked a question.
[38:02.080 --> 38:02.260]  You.
[38:02.660 --> 38:09.840]  You mentioned several times about how there's not an understanding of what goes on in the cultures of the government agencies.
[38:09.840 --> 38:16.120]  Is there any practice of trying to marry people who have some ties to that culture that they're studying?
[38:16.680 --> 38:19.120]  Or is it just sort of willy-nilly that anybody who's upward?
[38:20.320 --> 38:28.840]  Well, by and large, if you actually come from that culture or you're married to someone in that culture, you're ineligible for a clearance because you must not be a totally loyal U.S.
[38:28.940 --> 38:29.240]  citizen.
[38:31.120 --> 38:32.240]  That's our first problem.
[38:33.320 --> 38:41.460]  Our second problem is that we have this pattern of hiring from these predominantly white kinds of schools.
[38:43.240 --> 38:44.560]  And we hire cheap.
[38:46.220 --> 38:55.040]  My personal feeling is that nobody should be allowed to work for a CIA as an analyst or a case officer until they speak the language at the four level on a scale of five.
[38:55.460 --> 39:01.560]  Most case officers go out on their first tour speaking the language at a two level, which is just enough to be laughed at.
[39:02.620 --> 39:05.220]  You know, we're not taking this seriously.
[39:05.320 --> 39:06.800]  We're going through the motions.
[39:06.820 --> 39:15.580]  I will tell you right now, I've spoken to the directors of intelligence communities in 18 different countries around the world, or deputy directors, and they usually take me to dinner.
[39:15.880 --> 39:19.280]  And I always ask the question, how many of our people have you nailed?
[39:19.840 --> 39:23.300]  In other words, how many of the people operating out of the official U.S.
[39:23.400 --> 39:23.680]  facility?
[39:23.680 --> 39:24.980]  I'm not allowed to say embassy.
[39:25.920 --> 39:29.880]  That's the only thing CIA took out of my book was three references to operating out of the U.S.
[39:29.940 --> 39:31.040]  embassy, which I didn't make.
[39:33.780 --> 39:35.640]  You guys are getting tired, I can tell.
[39:35.860 --> 39:36.880]  I'll stop at midnight.
[39:38.280 --> 39:39.860]  Or I'll go on as long as you wish.
[39:42.100 --> 39:42.500]  Okay.
[39:42.780 --> 39:43.120]  All right.
[39:43.180 --> 39:43.420]  Good.
[39:43.600 --> 39:44.040]  Thank you.
[39:46.340 --> 39:47.620]  I'm glad to be useful.
[39:51.680 --> 40:00.120]  In every single case, I have not gotten a direct verbal answer, but as a highly skilled case officer, I will tell you the answer is no less than 75%.
[40:02.660 --> 40:20.320]  You know, as my 11-year-old would say, if you're going to run spies, it doesn't make sense to do so out of a known fixed point, where you're bouncing in and out 10, 15 times a day, spending more money than the ambassador has in his personal budget, and you're under 25.
[40:21.900 --> 40:22.540]  Duh.
[40:23.580 --> 40:24.220]  Okay.
[40:25.700 --> 40:33.780]  My personal feeling is fully 75% of our clandestine operations, and probably as much as 90% in most countries of the world, have been compromised.
[40:34.380 --> 40:41.460]  Those agents are either under control or they're known, and they're simply letting us stay busy.
[40:43.200 --> 40:45.620]  The clandestine intelligence worldwide is a joke.
[40:45.840 --> 40:52.540]  And the reason this is dangerous is because the President of the United States thinks he has a clandestine service.
[40:54.620 --> 40:55.100]  Okay.
[40:55.500 --> 40:56.720]  And that's scary.
[40:57.540 --> 41:00.260]  I don't want to have any repeat questions, so let's...
[41:00.260 --> 41:06.280]  I'll tell you what, everyone who has asked a question before, I'll stay as long as you want to answer your question afterwards, but I want first timers.
[41:06.440 --> 41:06.740]  Question.
[41:07.080 --> 41:07.780]  Yes, sir.
[41:08.840 --> 41:10.620]  You, and then you, and then you.
[41:10.920 --> 41:16.820]  Going back to domestic spying, we've read reports...
[41:17.400 --> 41:19.800]  Going back to domestic spying, we've read reports...
[41:19.800 --> 41:22.160]  ...on presidential administrations...
[41:22.160 --> 41:22.360]  Mm-hmm.
[41:22.360 --> 41:23.500]  Presidential administrations.
[41:23.720 --> 41:27.720]  ...running operations against individual citizens to find information.
[41:27.900 --> 41:28.140]  Right.
[41:28.560 --> 41:33.940]  What types of checks are in place to prevent that when we put those checks in place?
[41:33.940 --> 41:39.340]  Well, at the federal level, I think that our federal officers, by and large, have very high integrity.
[41:40.000 --> 41:41.340]  Waco may be an exception.
[41:43.260 --> 41:53.760]  You know, I'll tell you, I was surprised, because I went around the country after Waco, and I was expecting people to more or less feel like the government did what it did, and it was the Davidians that were wrong.
[41:53.760 --> 42:01.960]  I was stunned at how many of my middle-class professional counterparts had a real deep-seated uneasiness with the government.
[42:02.200 --> 42:03.540]  I mean, this was beyond this group.
[42:03.660 --> 42:09.140]  This was mainstream, main street, white-collar professionals.
[42:11.300 --> 42:20.280]  By and large, though, I think that one of the good things that's come out of the whistleblowing era is that, first off, the president's never been in charge of anything.
[42:20.740 --> 42:29.020]  You know, there's a wonderful book by Richard Neustadt called The Power to Persuade, and George Shultz has said in testimony in Congress that nothing's ever decided in Washington.
[42:29.020 --> 42:31.520]  And you have to argue the policy every single day.
[42:32.040 --> 42:39.220]  But by and large, I think officers of integrity, certainly Dick Helms and Bill Colby over at CRA were officers of integrity.
[42:39.460 --> 42:40.640]  They can say no.
[42:42.120 --> 42:44.260]  At the state and local level, I don't know.
[42:45.640 --> 42:50.460]  I don't think domestic spying is an issue, my personal feeling.
[42:50.800 --> 42:58.580]  On the other hand, Hacker Crackdown, you have field officers out there that are zealous, that want to get promoted.
[42:58.580 --> 42:59.920]  You look really evil.
[43:01.120 --> 43:04.020]  And that scares them because they don't understand you.
[43:04.540 --> 43:07.460]  And so they'll make a case, and they'll go do stuff.
[43:07.780 --> 43:24.440]  And I think if I were a hacker with a whole bunch of metal in my body, wearing really black clothes all the time, and colored spiked hair, and I found out I was under investigation, number one, I wouldn't do anything.
[43:25.180 --> 43:27.260]  Locked up, and number two, I'd go public immediately.
[43:28.040 --> 43:33.580]  I would go to the newspapers, and I would say, this is who I am, and these guys are investigating me, and here's my wife.
[43:33.680 --> 43:36.560]  And I invite everybody to come in and make sure there's nothing to find.
[43:36.920 --> 43:42.740]  Everybody to come in and look at me, and I would be Little Miss Priss for the next ten years.
[43:42.740 --> 43:44.860]  I don't know how well it worked for Kevin.
[43:45.500 --> 43:47.680]  Yeah, I don't know the case myself.
[43:48.620 --> 43:49.100]  Fiber.
[43:49.700 --> 43:50.360]  What's that?
[43:50.680 --> 43:51.180]  Fiber.
[43:51.640 --> 43:53.780]  Yeah, Fiber's a good one.
[43:54.080 --> 44:05.120]  My personal opinion, and I have a neighbor that's a Secret Service officer, and I think Secret Service officers are good, good people, but I think this guy had his head up his ass.
[44:05.540 --> 44:07.860]  I mean, Fiber's not a threat to national security.
[44:08.700 --> 44:21.640]  But these people, out of genuine deep-seated belief about stuff they don't understand, think so, and they're willing to tell a judge, and until you raise the consciousness level, shit like that's gonna happen.
[44:23.680 --> 44:24.820]  Okay, we missed that one, sorry.
[44:26.000 --> 44:29.640]  It's tough, it really is, but you'll get the full uncensored version of that.
[44:29.740 --> 44:32.720]  Fiber, how's it feel knowing you're not a threat to society?
[44:32.720 --> 44:34.740]  Well, it's good to hear.
[44:35.520 --> 44:48.900]  An interesting point about Mr. Steele is we first met at the third Computers Freedom and Privacy Conference in San Francisco a few years ago, and my initial impression of him was good.
[44:49.040 --> 44:53.400]  He sounded like, seemed like a level-headed guy at the time.
[44:53.640 --> 44:59.560]  And the one point that I agreed with him on at the time was that hackers are a wasted national resource.
[44:59.560 --> 44:59.900]  Mm-hmm.
[45:00.340 --> 45:03.300]  And it was on that I met and spoke with him a couple of more times.
[45:04.180 --> 45:12.600]  When I was in prison, I received what I consider my agency recruitment letter from Bob Steele.
[45:12.800 --> 45:13.080]  Uh-huh.
[45:13.120 --> 45:23.580]  And the letter was short and to the point and basically said that it was unfortunate what I was going through and that there were lots of corporations and governments...
[45:23.580 --> 45:24.460]  Cough, cough.
[45:24.660 --> 45:27.740]  Yeah, who would benefit from your talents.
[45:28.680 --> 45:31.960]  And that was basically the vein of the letter.
[45:32.540 --> 45:37.180]  Since then, I've completely lost faith in Bob Steele.
[45:37.180 --> 45:45.320]  I mean, once he got involved with the purveyor of cyber warfare, Wyn Schwartow...
[45:45.320 --> 45:48.720]  Who also is included in this package, all the videos.
[45:48.980 --> 45:52.200]  There's some Wyn Schwartow material there as well, but...
[45:52.200 --> 46:02.660]  I mean, once they got involved and started having these cyber terrorism and cyber warfare conferences and things like that, InfoWar and all that business, I completely lost faith in the man.
[46:03.240 --> 46:05.700]  Well, that's a perspective there.
[46:05.920 --> 46:08.080]  And basically, people should make up their own minds.
[46:08.720 --> 46:14.880]  You can get every single video that came out of H2K by calling us now, 212-209-2950.
[46:14.980 --> 46:16.900]  We have zero calls on the line.
[46:17.460 --> 46:23.820]  You'll get the two-hour Robert Steele question and answer session that talks about all kinds of other issues as well.
[46:24.700 --> 46:25.700]  And I don't know.
[46:25.740 --> 46:30.400]  I think he's got a lot of really interesting things to say as far as being a former spook.
[46:30.900 --> 46:32.780]  I mean, this guy's got a history.
[46:32.780 --> 46:33.500]  He really does.
[46:33.700 --> 46:35.380]  And, you know, he knows a lot of things out there.
[46:35.480 --> 46:36.340]  It's kind of spooky.
[46:36.660 --> 46:39.460]  That's what's really great about if you get the tapes and watch them.
[46:39.560 --> 46:39.760]  Mm-hmm.
[46:39.860 --> 46:43.900]  So many ex-spooks, ex-spy agents...
[46:43.900 --> 46:44.020]  Yeah.
[46:44.420 --> 46:46.260]  ...telling all, and it's just like...
[46:46.260 --> 46:47.400]  It was just riveting.
[46:47.640 --> 46:47.780]  Yeah.
[46:48.180 --> 46:55.980]  And, you know, the atmosphere of the audience, just like, profound respect, I think, for people like him, for everybody who was speaking at the conference, actually.
[46:56.560 --> 47:00.100]  They all were really happy with the way they were received, Jell-O included.
[47:01.400 --> 47:03.500]  And I just think so much was learned.
[47:03.620 --> 47:05.720]  And you can continue that learning experience.
[47:05.720 --> 47:08.020]  You can remember some of the things you saw.
[47:08.160 --> 47:11.740]  And there's nobody who saw everything, I know, because we were taping things at the same time.
[47:11.880 --> 47:13.640]  So nobody could have possibly seen everything.
[47:13.640 --> 47:15.280]  So there's something in here for everyone.
[47:15.280 --> 47:18.280]  And that's if you call 212-209-2950.
[47:18.520 --> 47:20.500]  We have three calls on the line right now.
[47:20.620 --> 47:25.440]  A $200 pledge will get you every single piece of footage of video that we have from this conference.
[47:25.620 --> 47:32.580]  We taped, I think, about 85% of all the panels or some of the second track that we didn't have a camera for.
[47:32.740 --> 47:34.580]  How many hours of stuff you got?
[47:34.800 --> 47:36.940]  We're over 20 so far, and I'm not finished yet.
[47:36.940 --> 47:40.280]  So you could, like, recreate H2K at your home.
[47:40.320 --> 47:40.380]  Oh, absolutely.
[47:40.380 --> 47:42.760]  You'd need two VCRs, though, because you'd have to have two things going on at once.
[47:42.760 --> 47:45.340]  Oh, and you could run from room to room like everybody was doing at the convention.
[47:45.960 --> 47:49.400]  Well, you'd have to separate it by, like, eight floors or something to make it realistic.
[47:49.620 --> 47:50.820]  You stand outside the door waiting.
[47:51.300 --> 47:52.020]  I've got to point this out.
[47:52.060 --> 48:00.080]  The next conference of all the people who want to come to 2002, which is when the next one will be, we're going to have a lot more as far as space.
[48:00.620 --> 48:04.460]  We're definitely going to have a lot more, you know, a lot more space for people to do things like that.
[48:04.520 --> 48:07.440]  And we won't have tiny rooms like we had this time for the second track.
[48:07.460 --> 48:08.180]  We'll have big rooms.
[48:08.280 --> 48:10.280]  There are other bigger rooms that we weren't able to get this time.
[48:10.360 --> 48:11.380]  We will get them next time.
[48:11.380 --> 48:12.480]  Are you going to have it at the Javits Center?
[48:12.600 --> 48:13.580]  No, we're going to have it in the same place.
[48:13.940 --> 48:13.980]  And?
[48:14.080 --> 48:15.020]  It went really well there.
[48:15.160 --> 48:15.280]  Until Pennsylvania?
[48:15.460 --> 48:17.120]  Yeah, I was pretty happy with that place.
[48:17.220 --> 48:17.580]  It really was.
[48:17.620 --> 48:18.400]  Were they happy with us?
[48:18.440 --> 48:19.580]  Yeah, they were extremely happy with us.
[48:19.620 --> 48:21.080]  And that made me more happy with them.
[48:21.160 --> 48:22.400]  You know, I just kept building from that.
[48:23.540 --> 48:24.800]  212-209-2950.
[48:24.940 --> 48:35.100]  Any time hackers have a conference and, you know, basically they've been given a bad name by certain other conferences that, you know, where vandalism is kind of the theme.
[48:35.740 --> 48:36.820]  It doesn't have to be that way.
[48:36.900 --> 48:40.000]  Here we are in the middle of New York City and we proved everybody wrong.
[48:40.000 --> 48:46.240]  We said, hey, people can get together in this expensive city where everybody's afraid to walk out on the street and not cause a problem.
[48:46.380 --> 48:47.420]  Everybody had a great time.
[48:48.100 --> 48:52.200]  You know, we got together, kept the cost down and people learned a lot.
[48:52.320 --> 48:53.680]  And I think a lot of people will be back next time.
[48:54.000 --> 48:54.840]  Let me thank some people.
[48:54.840 --> 48:57.320]  Anthony from Pembroke Pines, Florida.
[48:57.580 --> 48:58.520]  Thanks so much for calling.
[48:58.740 --> 48:59.400]  Long distance.
[48:59.700 --> 49:00.180]  Online voice.
[49:00.240 --> 49:00.440]  Yeah.
[49:01.060 --> 49:02.700]  Or a very good FM radio.
[49:03.680 --> 49:06.980]  Steven from, oh boy, Rensville, Pennsylvania.
[49:07.180 --> 49:08.860]  One of those strange sounding towns in Pennsylvania.
[49:09.100 --> 49:10.120]  Or Rensville, Pennsylvania.
[49:10.280 --> 49:10.960]  Thank you for calling.
[49:11.260 --> 49:12.920]  Luigi from Cleveland, Mississippi.
[49:13.240 --> 49:15.440]  Not even Cleveland, Ohio, but Cleveland, Mississippi.
[49:15.440 --> 49:18.560]  You want me to look and see if Clear Channel on station is in this one?
[49:19.120 --> 49:19.440]  Cleveland?
[49:19.720 --> 49:21.500]  We're running out of time, so let's get through this.
[49:21.620 --> 49:22.360]  Dana from Brooklyn.
[49:22.580 --> 49:24.460]  Ah, an over-the-air listener.
[49:24.580 --> 49:24.800]  Yes.
[49:25.020 --> 49:26.060]  Thank you very much for your pledge.
[49:26.220 --> 49:29.280]  Peter from Woodsley, Ontario.
[49:30.260 --> 49:30.960]  Way up yonder.
[49:31.100 --> 49:31.940]  Neighbors to the north.
[49:32.220 --> 49:32.400]  Yeah.
[49:32.580 --> 49:34.480]  You hear they just called an election up in Canada?
[49:34.780 --> 49:38.480]  I think that's kind of cool when you just call an election and say, yeah, you know, there's going to be an election next month.
[49:38.760 --> 49:41.620]  You know, they don't go through all the crap that we go through for a year and a half.
[49:41.780 --> 49:43.620]  You know, they just, okay, we're going to do it next month.
[49:43.620 --> 49:44.520]  Yeah, that's what it's all about.
[49:44.840 --> 49:45.020]  Yeah.
[49:45.240 --> 49:46.100]  Robert from New York.
[49:46.280 --> 49:47.680]  Robert, thanks for your pledge.
[49:48.680 --> 49:50.240]  I'm not sure I'm going to pronounce this right.
[49:51.160 --> 49:53.020]  Augusta, Augusta, something like that from Brooklyn.
[49:53.160 --> 49:54.480]  Thank you for your pledge.
[49:55.600 --> 49:57.760]  T-Dub, thanks so much for calling from New York.
[49:58.260 --> 50:03.600]  And, oh, we have the Maryland 2600 calling en masse from Bel Air, Maryland.
[50:03.780 --> 50:05.000]  Thanks for your pledge.
[50:05.260 --> 50:05.500]  Thanks, guys.
[50:05.680 --> 50:06.740]  Yeah, that's great.
[50:07.040 --> 50:07.280]  Are they getting videos?
[50:07.560 --> 50:08.600]  Yeah, they are getting videos.
[50:08.600 --> 50:09.460]  They're getting videos.
[50:09.620 --> 50:11.040]  And a little bit more, too, I think.
[50:11.140 --> 50:11.520]  Not bad.
[50:11.720 --> 50:12.880]  Yeah, thanks for that.
[50:12.880 --> 50:14.680]  I've got to make it to one of the Maryland meetings.
[50:14.740 --> 50:15.140]  Never been to that.
[50:15.180 --> 50:17.940]  I've been to D.C., but not Maryland, which I guess is Baltimore.
[50:18.200 --> 50:18.940]  We've been to Philly, too.
[50:18.980 --> 50:19.140]  Yeah.
[50:19.340 --> 50:21.680]  I've got to travel around some more, you know, see some of these other meetings.
[50:21.880 --> 50:22.840]  They have trains that go down there.
[50:23.000 --> 50:24.120]  They have trains that go there, too?
[50:24.260 --> 50:24.440]  Yeah.
[50:24.440 --> 50:25.100]  What's with the trains?
[50:25.180 --> 50:25.640]  This is amazing.
[50:25.760 --> 50:27.400]  Because he won't take mass transportation.
[50:27.900 --> 50:28.180]  Save a tree.
[50:28.180 --> 50:31.840]  Listen, when I'm coming from the island, the LIRR is like, you know, the worst invention.
[50:31.840 --> 50:32.700]  I came from the island.
[50:33.220 --> 50:35.380]  Yeah, but you came from the island like a few feet away.
[50:35.540 --> 50:37.700]  I came from the island like, you know, many, many miles.
[50:37.820 --> 50:39.800]  Bernice, from Plainfield, New Jersey.
[50:39.960 --> 50:40.620]  That's Bernice's girlfriend.
[50:40.960 --> 50:41.620]  Rich the Rebel.
[50:41.780 --> 50:42.800]  Rich the Rebel from Queens.
[50:42.940 --> 50:46.760]  Well, let's see if that pledge goes through Rich the Rebel, and then maybe we can lift that little band.
[50:46.760 --> 50:47.900]  What, does credit card bounce?
[50:48.340 --> 50:49.620]  We're gonna see.
[50:49.900 --> 50:50.260]  Okay.
[50:50.360 --> 50:51.760]  We're gonna see when the actual...
[50:52.680 --> 50:54.760]  This isn't a credit card, so it has to...
[50:54.760 --> 50:54.920]  Let me check clear.
[50:55.020 --> 50:55.680]  Let me check clear.
[50:55.860 --> 50:59.420]  There's only four more minutes to say that you really dig off the hook.
[50:59.560 --> 51:01.260]  212-209-2950.
[51:01.580 --> 51:04.660]  Real quickly, $200, you get every single video made at H2K.
[51:05.160 --> 51:07.080]  $75, you get Jello Biafra.
[51:07.280 --> 51:10.460]  For everything above $25, you get a Jello Biafra CD as well.
[51:10.640 --> 51:13.440]  And for everything that is pledged, you get H2K stickers.
[51:13.700 --> 51:16.620]  Oh, and also, everything above $75, you get an H2K hat.
[51:16.620 --> 51:22.180]  I can't say it anymore, and I'm sick of saying it, but please, give a call, 212-209-2950.
[51:22.460 --> 51:29.740]  If you've ever gotten anything out of this radio station, out of this particular program, then you need to call us, 212-209-2950.
[51:30.760 --> 51:31.760]  Voice your support.
[51:32.300 --> 51:38.360]  Every time you listen to commercial radio and you hear a commercial for some product that you've purchased, you've paid for that commercial.
[51:38.560 --> 51:38.940]  Absolutely.
[51:38.940 --> 51:39.660]  You don't have a choice.
[51:39.720 --> 51:40.560]  They don't ask you.
[51:41.040 --> 51:42.200]  No way, they don't ask you.
[51:42.200 --> 51:42.380]  They just take it.
[51:42.380 --> 51:44.800]  Because part of the purchase price is advertising money.
[51:45.260 --> 51:45.820]  That's right.
[51:46.620 --> 51:54.720]  If you want a nightmare, go swinging through the dial, you wind up at 99.5, you listen to Ed and Charlie in the morning, and the top 40 come on just after that.
[51:55.140 --> 51:55.320]  What?
[51:55.600 --> 51:56.480]  Don't let that happen.
[51:56.620 --> 51:56.740]  Yeah.
[51:56.920 --> 51:57.600]  Send in your pledge.
[51:57.780 --> 51:58.020]  Oh, yeah.
[51:58.300 --> 51:58.660]  Eminem.
[51:58.820 --> 52:02.280]  The best way to get people to pledge is to tell them to listen to commercial radio for five minutes.
[52:02.500 --> 52:02.640]  Right.
[52:02.900 --> 52:04.700]  The new Spice Girls album just came out.
[52:04.880 --> 52:05.300]  Oh, no.
[52:05.300 --> 52:06.140]  Let's not do this.
[52:06.140 --> 52:06.820]  We could play that.
[52:06.900 --> 52:07.700]  I mean, it's...
[52:07.700 --> 52:08.860]  We could play that in Eminem.
[52:08.980 --> 52:11.680]  But why torture people who, you know...
[52:11.680 --> 52:13.700]  We don't want to abuse those people who have pledged.
[52:13.720 --> 52:20.380]  If you're at 99.5 right now, turn over to 100.3 and listen to Z100 for 10 seconds.
[52:20.380 --> 52:21.180]  Thanks to Popcorn.
[52:21.260 --> 52:21.580]  You will come flying back.
[52:21.580 --> 52:23.640]  This is Popcorn Girl from San Juan, Puerto Rico.
[52:23.840 --> 52:24.360]  Popcorn Girl.
[52:24.440 --> 52:25.200]  I don't know about this.
[52:25.380 --> 52:27.500]  Sergey from Staten Island, thank you for your pledge.
[52:27.660 --> 52:29.040]  Steven from Edmonton, Alberta.
[52:29.640 --> 52:31.560]  One of my favorite cities I've never been to.
[52:31.740 --> 52:32.540]  Another one way up there.
[52:32.920 --> 52:33.580]  Where do I go there?
[52:33.600 --> 52:34.580]  Really sorry about the Oilers.
[52:35.300 --> 52:39.060]  George from Belmore and Darcy from Brooklyn, thanks so much for your pledges.
[52:39.140 --> 52:40.320]  Thanks everybody else who's called up.
[52:40.400 --> 52:42.140]  We're up to well over $4,000.
[52:42.380 --> 52:43.300]  We're almost at $5,000.
[52:43.400 --> 52:44.440]  $4,760.
[52:44.680 --> 52:45.100]  Oh, come on.
[52:45.160 --> 52:45.960]  We've got to make it to five.
[52:45.960 --> 52:46.340]  Oh, yeah.
[52:46.520 --> 52:48.460]  We've also got to make it out of here before Tyria comes on.
[52:48.460 --> 52:56.380]  And they've got a three-hour special about the Middle East, which I guarantee you is going to be stuff you have not heard on any commercial radio station, certainly.
[52:56.620 --> 52:57.180]  Or anywhere else.
[52:57.180 --> 52:58.800]  And on any network anywhere.
[52:59.120 --> 53:02.640]  So it's the kind of thing that you just hear on this radio station around the clock.
[53:02.800 --> 53:09.020]  So please submit your ballot, cast your vote, support WBAI, keep off the hook going.
[53:09.220 --> 53:11.000]  212-209-2950.
[53:11.700 --> 53:15.660]  It's Emmanuel for Laszlo, for Fiber, for Isaac, for Mike.
[53:16.480 --> 53:17.920]  Thanks, everybody, for calling in.
[53:18.040 --> 53:20.780]  And we'll see you next week at the usual time, 8 to 9.
[53:21.960 --> 53:23.760]  And until then, good night, everyone.
[53:24.880 --> 53:25.700]  I've got to find the theme.
[53:27.200 --> 53:28.020]  We've spent so well.
[53:28.040 --> 53:28.760]  There it is, there it is.
[53:28.920 --> 53:29.060]  Okay.
[53:29.860 --> 53:30.980]  212-209-2950.
[53:31.000 --> 53:31.260]  Good night.
[53:36.320 --> 53:37.720]  Bye.
[53:38.360 --> 53:43.340]  My god!
[53:54.280 --> 53:54.560]  Bye.
[54:51.540 --> 54:52.500]  Solidarity.
[54:52.500 --> 54:53.460]  Solidarity.
[54:53.860 --> 55:00.280]  President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe recently said in Harlem, we must never be divided again.
[55:00.320 --> 55:11.120]  In that spirit and the spirit of Malcolm X, the outrage of the black community will be expressed on Monday, November 6th, Black Solidarity Day at 2 p.m.
[55:11.480 --> 55:17.820]  at the United Nations Dog Commerce Hall Plaza, located at 47th Street and First Avenue.
[55:18.200 --> 55:20.060]  Support the demand to free the land.
[55:20.320 --> 55:24.960]  For more information, call 718-399-8527.
[55:24.960 --> 55:29.800]  That's 718-399-8527.
[55:30.200 --> 55:32.040]  What we need.
[55:34.040 --> 55:35.440]  Solidarity.
[55:36.880 --> 55:38.280]  Solidarity.
[55:39.860 --> 55:41.260]  Solidarity.
[55:41.280 --> 55:41.280]  Solidarity.