[00:01.260 --> 00:02.600]  I mean, you know, you listen to this.
[00:02.740 --> 00:03.860]  You are my boss.
[00:04.020 --> 00:05.180]  You are my boss.
[00:05.360 --> 00:06.560]  You are my boss.
[00:31.450 --> 00:32.790]  You're tuned to Hi-Fi.
[00:33.770 --> 00:36.310]  WBAI 99.5 on your FM dial.
[00:37.030 --> 00:37.350]  New York.
[00:58.150 --> 01:00.910]  And you're listening to radio station WBAI New York.
[01:01.010 --> 01:04.650]  Of course, you probably just heard them say that, but I figured to say it again.
[01:04.870 --> 01:05.890]  It's 8 o'clock.
[01:06.450 --> 01:07.610]  Time for Off the Hook.
[02:09.190 --> 02:10.390]  And a good evening to everybody.
[02:10.390 --> 02:11.950]  The program is Off the Hook.
[02:12.270 --> 02:13.590]  Here with Emmanuel Goldstein.
[02:13.730 --> 02:15.750]  I believe Isaac is over on the other side of the studio.
[02:15.850 --> 02:16.830]  Yeah, way over here on the right.
[02:17.470 --> 02:20.430]  Okay, Laszlo is... no, I don't hear him.
[02:20.650 --> 02:21.850]  I guess he's not around this week.
[02:22.030 --> 02:22.210]  Oh.
[02:22.630 --> 02:22.990]  Yeah.
[02:23.170 --> 02:23.430]  Oh, well.
[02:23.570 --> 02:23.830]  Oh, well.
[02:23.910 --> 02:24.470]  Mike's here, too.
[02:24.810 --> 02:25.070]  Hello.
[02:25.270 --> 02:25.630]  How you doing?
[02:26.990 --> 02:28.630]  So, we're back for another week.
[02:28.710 --> 02:30.010]  The radio station's still here.
[02:30.190 --> 02:37.110]  You wouldn't know from last week if we'd still be here with the ongoing Pacifica soap opera that takes place week after week.
[02:38.190 --> 02:46.050]  No major new developments that I can see, although there are meetings going on all over the place and rallies and things like that.
[02:46.130 --> 02:48.570]  So, it's good to see people coming out and being interested.
[02:48.830 --> 02:59.050]  And, of course, this radio program remains open to anybody who needs to talk about issues that are going on regarding that, and we will continue to do so with our last remaining breath.
[02:59.990 --> 03:01.290]  And it may come to that, Isaac.
[03:01.850 --> 03:02.890]  The last remaining breath?
[03:02.990 --> 03:03.130]  Yeah.
[03:03.330 --> 03:03.410]  Yeah.
[03:04.650 --> 03:06.490]  Oh, I've got plenty of breath where that comes from.
[03:06.670 --> 03:06.930]  Okay.
[03:07.110 --> 03:08.850]  Well, we'll see how much breath you have at the end of the show.
[03:09.810 --> 03:10.670]  In a regular window.
[03:10.730 --> 03:12.290]  Anything happen with you this week?
[03:12.470 --> 03:13.070]  Anything good?
[03:13.650 --> 03:14.310]  This week?
[03:14.450 --> 03:14.750]  Good?
[03:14.870 --> 03:15.490]  Good or bad?
[03:15.610 --> 03:16.030]  Yeah, either one.
[03:16.150 --> 03:18.450]  I almost got blown off the sidewalk this morning.
[03:18.490 --> 03:19.210]  Oh, come on.
[03:19.270 --> 03:21.850]  You know, the top story every place I go is the wind.
[03:22.130 --> 03:23.570]  Okay, it's windy outside.
[03:23.750 --> 03:24.390]  Deal with it, people.
[03:24.390 --> 03:26.190]  Well, I've got a problem standing up in a light breeze.
[03:26.190 --> 03:30.510]  You know, 45-knot gusts is not the...
[03:30.510 --> 03:31.110]  It's not the wind.
[03:31.210 --> 03:32.290]  It's all the people pushing you.
[03:32.590 --> 03:32.950]  Oh.
[03:33.230 --> 03:35.290]  And you can stop that if you just don't talk.
[03:35.950 --> 03:39.090]  Because once you start talking, people have this, like, need to start pushing you.
[03:39.110 --> 03:39.690]  Need to push me over?
[03:39.890 --> 03:40.790]  I don't know what it is.
[03:40.850 --> 03:41.630]  Even pacifists.
[03:42.690 --> 03:43.390]  It's unbelievable.
[03:43.870 --> 03:45.950]  I didn't think I was going to make it out of the studio last week.
[03:46.090 --> 03:46.510]  Oh, really?
[03:46.530 --> 03:50.170]  We gave that little impromptu speech in the lobby about, you know, the Republicans and all that.
[03:51.490 --> 03:52.150]  Oh, come on.
[03:52.430 --> 03:52.570]  Wow.
[03:52.770 --> 03:54.330]  BAI people are the best people around.
[03:54.690 --> 03:55.010]  That's...
[03:55.010 --> 03:55.670]  No, I agree with you there.
[03:55.790 --> 03:56.570]  I totally agree with that.
[03:56.690 --> 03:58.150]  But, um...
[03:58.150 --> 03:59.250]  Well, uh...
[03:59.250 --> 04:03.050]  BAI people, amongst all the other people on the Earth, are at risk.
[04:03.130 --> 04:04.450]  You heard about this whole Iridium thing?
[04:04.830 --> 04:05.150]  Yes.
[04:05.450 --> 04:05.630]  Now...
[04:05.630 --> 04:06.290]  DOD buyout.
[04:06.390 --> 04:07.610]  Let me ask you a question.
[04:07.730 --> 04:09.490]  Who actually owns Iridium?
[04:09.770 --> 04:11.810]  Well, that was a well-duh move.
[04:12.050 --> 04:13.290]  I mean, how much did they pay for it?
[04:13.470 --> 04:14.090]  $220 million?
[04:14.850 --> 04:15.770]  Who are we talking about now?
[04:15.870 --> 04:16.510]  The Department of Defense.
[04:16.750 --> 04:17.610]  Okay, well, you're getting ahead of me.
[04:17.790 --> 04:18.090]  I'm sorry.
[04:18.250 --> 04:19.850]  They just bought out Iridium.
[04:19.850 --> 04:20.630]  Is that the deal?
[04:20.810 --> 04:20.970]  Yeah.
[04:21.330 --> 04:22.270]  Okay, who did they buy it from?
[04:23.790 --> 04:25.630]  Motorola was a primary investor.
[04:25.810 --> 04:30.710]  It was like Iridium Corporation, which went under, filed Chapter 11.
[04:30.910 --> 04:34.490]  And then the president of the former corporation, someone else, got involved.
[04:34.610 --> 04:35.570]  They rescued it.
[04:35.650 --> 04:36.490]  They were looking for funding.
[04:36.510 --> 04:37.910]  And the DOD said, sure.
[04:38.110 --> 04:45.930]  Okay, so for all the people who don't know, Iridium, they're the geniuses that put satellites up all over the Earth and then decided they don't have enough money to keep them up there.
[04:46.070 --> 04:47.250]  Well, that was poor design on their part.
[04:47.390 --> 04:47.610]  Okay.
[04:47.990 --> 04:49.730]  Now, here's the thing I have a problem with.
[04:49.850 --> 04:59.310]  There's a story circulating that NASA is stating that the odds, when they decide to crash these satellites down to Earth, they really will.
[04:59.310 --> 05:00.310]  The term is de-orbit.
[05:00.490 --> 05:00.590]  Yeah.
[05:00.730 --> 05:03.530]  Well, what it boils down to is crashing down to Earth.
[05:03.650 --> 05:09.570]  And they say, this is NASA saying this, the odds of hitting someone is 250 to 1.
[05:09.830 --> 05:11.090]  Now, that might sound like a lot.
[05:11.090 --> 05:15.430]  But when you think about it, you know, there's, you know, several billion people on this planet.
[05:15.970 --> 05:21.490]  The odds of hitting a person, 250 to 1, that means, you know, people aren't standing every place.
[05:21.870 --> 05:24.710]  There's buildings, there's animals, there's trees, you know.
[05:24.710 --> 05:25.410]  There's oceans.
[05:25.670 --> 05:26.210]  Yeah, there's oceans.
[05:26.350 --> 05:30.530]  So, now, for them to come up with a figure of 250 to 1 to hit a human being...
[05:30.530 --> 05:31.570]  I think that's a misreport.
[05:31.870 --> 05:34.970]  Well, it's being misreported left and right everywhere you look.
[05:34.970 --> 05:38.370]  So, and NASA has not stepped forward to correct the situation.
[05:38.850 --> 05:40.350]  And they're pretty quick to correct things.
[05:40.450 --> 05:45.130]  Like, whenever their webpages get hacked and people say things about them, they always step up there and say, no, no, that's not true.
[05:45.490 --> 05:49.450]  We didn't lose that many vessels this year.
[05:49.450 --> 05:50.630]  We only lost this many.
[05:50.810 --> 05:51.950]  But the point is...
[05:51.950 --> 05:52.650]  Leave NASA alone.
[05:52.970 --> 05:54.450]  The point is, all right, forget about NASA.
[05:54.710 --> 05:57.190]  Who are the boneheads who put those things up there?
[05:57.330 --> 06:03.370]  And how come we're just sitting back and saying, okay, yeah, crashing things down to Earth, they're not going to be de-orbited now?
[06:04.490 --> 06:07.570]  Well, the well-duh thing is that the DOD bought it out.
[06:07.690 --> 06:09.870]  The figure is like 200 or 220 million.
[06:10.170 --> 06:10.410]  Okay.
[06:10.650 --> 06:11.830]  But, I mean, think about this.
[06:12.050 --> 06:17.050]  The United States military maintains constellations of communication satellites for a lot more than that.
[06:17.330 --> 06:19.170]  I mean, these things were just there.
[06:19.370 --> 06:20.290]  They were going to be de-orbited.
[06:20.390 --> 06:21.290]  This is a steal.
[06:22.130 --> 06:24.250]  220 million to get a terrestrial satellite.
[06:24.250 --> 06:24.370]  Okay, that's great.
[06:24.530 --> 06:25.110]  That's wonderful.
[06:25.430 --> 06:28.110]  I'm happy for the Department of Defense for, you know...
[06:28.110 --> 06:28.990]  You should be happy as a taxpayer.
[06:29.050 --> 06:29.850]  I'm very happy.
[06:29.890 --> 06:30.530]  I'm delirious.
[06:30.630 --> 06:33.330]  What I'm upset about, because that's not the point.
[06:33.370 --> 06:40.250]  What I'm upset about is, what gives these people, whoever they are, the right to say, well, the investment isn't working out.
[06:40.330 --> 06:42.670]  We're just going to point these things to Earth and hope for the best.
[06:43.150 --> 06:43.950]  I mean, come on.
[06:44.090 --> 06:46.930]  Well, the goal is to put them down in the Middle Pacific or something.
[06:47.130 --> 06:52.170]  Yeah, but they come up with an odd of 250 to 1 of hitting a human being.
[06:52.270 --> 06:52.950]  I don't think that's right.
[06:53.430 --> 06:54.890]  Well, that's what's being reported, okay?
[06:55.330 --> 07:00.290]  And these things do tend to crash down, and people don't always know where they're going to land, all right?
[07:00.450 --> 07:02.970]  I mean, that's something crashed in the Australian outback.
[07:03.210 --> 07:03.390]  That would be Skylab.
[07:03.390 --> 07:04.270]  Something crashed in Canada.
[07:04.850 --> 07:06.270]  Yeah, they can't point these things.
[07:06.390 --> 07:06.490]  That would be a Russian.
[07:06.570 --> 07:08.750]  They don't know where they're going to land.
[07:08.950 --> 07:15.730]  Now, I maintain that if you don't know how to bring something back down to Earth, you shouldn't be putting it up above Earth, all right?
[07:15.730 --> 07:16.690]  It's common sense.
[07:16.990 --> 07:30.030]  Now, if I was, you know, as an individual, a regular person, if I was to buy something that was, say, dangerous, all right, and then I decided that, well, I didn't want that dangerous thing anymore, I wouldn't be allowed to just simply throw it into a crowd of people and say,
[07:30.110 --> 07:32.870]  oh, well, maybe it's going to hit somebody, maybe it won't, you know?
[07:33.630 --> 07:37.990]  Now, if Motorola, whoever it is that owns this particular...
[07:37.990 --> 07:40.250]  Well, it's now a special Iridium Corporation.
[07:40.530 --> 07:50.830]  My point is, if they were to own that company now, and they just decided to, you know, point it back down to Earth and fire, I think something should prevent them from doing that.
[07:50.950 --> 07:58.790]  And whether it's draining every last penny they have to keep those things up there, or come up with some new technology to maybe point them at another planet or something, I don't know.
[07:58.970 --> 08:06.530]  I just don't think they should have the right to be able to just say, oh, we're going to decommission these satellites, and, you know, 250 to 1 odds are going to hit somebody.
[08:06.670 --> 08:10.750]  Probably won't be an American anyway, probably somebody in Africa, so who's going to care about that, you know?
[08:12.050 --> 08:12.950]  Nobody's talking about that.
[08:13.010 --> 08:13.690]  That's what bothers me.
[08:13.690 --> 08:16.150]  And everyone's talking about, well, what's it going to hit, you know?
[08:16.350 --> 08:17.190]  It's not going to hit anything.
[08:17.190 --> 08:18.190]  Where is it going to land?
[08:18.470 --> 08:25.630]  Well, you can control the swath of land in which the likely impact point is going to be.
[08:25.750 --> 08:26.170]  Oh, yeah.
[08:26.210 --> 08:28.490]  So they could point you at Iraq, and everybody would be happy, right?
[08:28.590 --> 08:28.950]  Well, no.
[08:29.070 --> 08:30.770]  250 to 1 odds, and make sure it's an Iraqi.
[08:31.610 --> 08:35.590]  Well, and the Department of Defense owning this now, I guess we can be assured that's going to happen.
[08:35.790 --> 08:39.950]  Well, you know, an Iridium satellite doesn't have much control over where it goes, I imagine.
[08:39.950 --> 08:45.710]  I mean, it's not exactly very large payloads, so they're not carrying that much fuel for maneuvering.
[08:45.770 --> 08:48.610]  I'm just saying, this is like an act of war against the human race.
[08:48.890 --> 08:49.230]  Oh, it's not.
[08:49.230 --> 08:49.790]  Of course it is.
[08:49.830 --> 08:56.510]  If you put things up and crash them randomly into crowds of people, I'd say the rest of the world would be pretty upset by this.
[08:56.590 --> 08:59.410]  You make it sound like they're throwing grenades in Grand Central Station.
[08:59.410 --> 09:04.150]  Well, if you got hit by a satellite walking down the street, you'd feel like it was a grenade.
[09:04.810 --> 09:05.630]  I mean, come on.
[09:05.690 --> 09:06.470]  This is insane.
[09:06.610 --> 09:08.810]  This is insane that we're actually even talking about this.
[09:08.970 --> 09:11.810]  More insane than the nonsense going on down in Florida.
[09:12.130 --> 09:13.430]  This is crazy, all right?
[09:13.430 --> 09:13.650]  Oh, come on.
[09:13.790 --> 09:16.770]  We should not be putting things up in space if we don't know what we're doing.
[09:16.970 --> 09:19.030]  Well, Mir is going to have to be de-orbited.
[09:19.330 --> 09:20.370]  Well, that's another issue.
[09:20.370 --> 09:25.810]  That's a lot bigger than an Iridium satellite, and there are calculations that exist to drop it in the middle of the Pacific.
[09:26.350 --> 09:29.510]  What I'm saying is, what if there's a cruise ship in the middle of the Pacific?
[09:29.670 --> 09:33.670]  What if there's a bunch of pirates or something, you know, going out and taking the family with them?
[09:33.910 --> 09:34.410]  You know?
[09:34.610 --> 09:35.790]  What are you supposed to do then?
[09:35.970 --> 09:37.270]  It's a good salvage operation.
[09:37.270 --> 09:38.250]  You do not have the right...
[09:38.250 --> 09:39.210]  You get mere memorabilia.
[09:39.270 --> 09:43.430]  You do not have the right to drop large metallic objects into the ocean from space.
[09:43.610 --> 09:49.250]  Don't you know, Emmanuel, that the pirates are, like, in New York, pirating DVDs, not on high seas anymore?
[09:49.250 --> 09:53.430]  Yeah, I realize that, so I have just as good a chance of being hit by one of these things as anybody.
[09:54.070 --> 09:56.330]  My point is, okay, Mere is a good example.
[09:56.470 --> 10:02.530]  And I think that, you know, whoever owns Mere at the moment should be compelled to keep it in orbit.
[10:03.310 --> 10:07.510]  And if they cannot do that, then somebody must take over who can do that.
[10:07.630 --> 10:09.890]  But, you know, you do not have the right to simply...
[10:09.890 --> 10:13.910]  Let's say, you know, the 2600 van, right, it's downstairs.
[10:14.210 --> 10:15.190]  You're going to put it in orbit?
[10:15.350 --> 10:16.770]  No, the 2600 van is downstairs.
[10:17.390 --> 10:19.990]  I can't afford to keep the 2600 van.
[10:20.310 --> 10:23.450]  You know, it's got all this, you know, history to it, but I just can't afford to keep it.
[10:23.510 --> 10:24.690]  And nobody wants to buy it.
[10:25.170 --> 10:26.190]  Nobody wants to buy it.
[10:26.210 --> 10:27.010]  So right after the show...
[10:27.010 --> 10:28.990]  And you know about all the dangerous chemicals I have in the back?
[10:29.410 --> 10:29.730]  Yes.
[10:29.870 --> 10:33.490]  Right after the show, we're turning, making a left turn, pitching that thing into the East River.
[10:34.030 --> 10:34.430]  All right?
[10:35.150 --> 10:36.450]  What am I supposed to do, okay?
[10:36.690 --> 10:38.570]  I can't afford to park it in New York.
[10:39.050 --> 10:40.410]  I've got to dump it in the river.
[10:40.510 --> 10:41.310]  There's no choice.
[10:41.610 --> 10:46.190]  To continue your metaphor, you have to plow through a small crowd as you drive it off the pier.
[10:46.310 --> 10:49.350]  If they're in the way, then they have a pretty good chance of being hit, yes.
[10:49.530 --> 10:50.710]  I don't know when I'm going to do this.
[10:50.710 --> 10:52.010]  I'll just do it when I feel like doing it.
[10:52.130 --> 10:56.150]  I think this should be the least of your fears, being struck by a satellite.
[10:56.310 --> 10:56.810]  It's not...
[10:56.810 --> 10:57.670]  I am not worried.
[10:57.930 --> 10:57.950]  Good morning.
[10:58.370 --> 11:00.110]  You're mixing up all my concerns here.
[11:00.350 --> 11:00.530]  Okay.
[11:00.650 --> 11:04.330]  The actual odds of you as an individual is probably like one in several trillion.
[11:04.790 --> 11:05.530]  If that.
[11:05.710 --> 11:06.190]  All right?
[11:06.250 --> 11:08.070]  I'm not worried about being hit by a satellite.
[11:08.890 --> 11:17.690]  I'm worried about this thing hitting something or somebody that is of some importance and just basically scaring people when, you know, there's no need to scare people.
[11:18.110 --> 11:19.310]  You know, we didn't get anything.
[11:19.530 --> 11:28.570]  I saw a hilarious post somewhere about this where they said that this company was so bad that you had a better chance of being hit by their hardware than being their customer.
[11:31.150 --> 11:32.170]  Now, that's brilliant.
[11:32.170 --> 11:32.870]  I like that.
[11:32.930 --> 11:33.490]  That's not bad.
[11:37.550 --> 11:39.450]  I think we've devoted enough time to this.
[11:39.730 --> 11:40.030]  Yeah, I think so.
[11:40.190 --> 11:43.170]  But, you know, I'm just saying, if you put things up there, take some responsibility.
[11:43.890 --> 11:47.250]  What, would you prefer to have, like, an enormous landfill in space?
[11:48.230 --> 11:51.670]  I prefer people not, you know, spend the money to put things up there if they're not...
[11:51.670 --> 11:55.610]  if they don't have the, you know, the foresight to carry through with it, you know.
[11:55.610 --> 11:57.690]  Well, this stuff is eventually going to become obsolete.
[11:57.690 --> 12:04.190]  I mean, there reaches a point when the thing runs out of fuel for maneuvering, and it's just going to de-orbit.
[12:04.650 --> 12:06.110]  I mean, there's nothing that's going to stop that.
[12:06.270 --> 12:10.270]  Well, I think you should be compelled to make sure it doesn't hit anything or doesn't hurt anybody.
[12:10.310 --> 12:18.390]  And the answer is to drop it in a controlled manner rather than just kind of leave it up there until 15 years from now it decides to de-orbit and goes through the wall of some...
[12:18.390 --> 12:21.690]  I'm fine, but I'm getting anything but the sense of control from this.
[12:22.690 --> 12:27.070]  You know, 1 in 250 of hitting a human, that doesn't sound to me like a controlled dissent.
[12:27.750 --> 12:28.370]  All right.
[12:29.430 --> 12:35.750]  Speaking of craziness and ominous things of the future, the IRS, Internal Revenue Service.
[12:36.130 --> 12:39.670]  Yes, well, you should shake and quiver when those names are spoken.
[12:39.670 --> 12:46.270]  I got this interesting little, I guess, notice that they send to the various corporations.
[12:47.570 --> 12:51.810]  And, well, this is not something that's going to affect me anytime soon, fortunately.
[12:52.410 --> 12:56.570]  But it's something that I thought was really kind of weird and interesting.
[12:56.950 --> 12:57.130]  All right.
[12:58.090 --> 13:00.010]  Basically, we're sending you this letter.
[13:00.250 --> 13:04.510]  It's called the Your Year 2001 Federal Tax Deposit Requirements.
[13:04.510 --> 13:14.910]  Now, the way it works in the corporate world is that you make monthly or bi-weekly or even weekly deposits of taxes because of your employee situation.
[13:16.070 --> 13:17.170]  You don't do it once a year.
[13:17.230 --> 13:18.070]  You don't do it once a quarter.
[13:18.110 --> 13:19.470]  You do it once a month at least.
[13:19.470 --> 13:21.010]  Well, depending on the size you can do it quarterly.
[13:21.450 --> 13:23.890]  The more money you're dealing with, the more you have to do it.
[13:24.570 --> 13:28.310]  We're sending you this letter to inform you about your 2001 federal tax deposit requirements.
[13:28.310 --> 13:32.050]  You don't have to answer it, but you need to review carefully the following information.
[13:32.610 --> 13:38.150]  Well, they go into all kinds of details, the schedule and amounts of money and things like that.
[13:38.270 --> 13:39.910]  But listen to this part.
[13:40.270 --> 13:48.470]  This is for the people who, if their total tax deposits during the last year exceeded $200,000.
[13:49.010 --> 13:53.050]  So if you're paying the IRS more than $200,000 in tax deposits...
[13:53.590 --> 13:54.850]  Not an uncommon thing.
[13:54.990 --> 13:55.610]  No, it's not.
[13:55.610 --> 14:03.710]  You must make your deposits electronically in 2001 if your total tax deposits during the 1999 calendar year exceeded $200,000.
[14:04.090 --> 14:04.610]  It's mandatory.
[14:04.930 --> 14:07.550]  You have to give them access to your bank accounts.
[14:08.210 --> 14:10.470]  It has to be automatically taken out of your bank account.
[14:10.550 --> 14:11.010]  Isn't that something?
[14:11.390 --> 14:12.670]  They just slipped this in here.
[14:12.830 --> 14:14.030]  And I did some research.
[14:14.030 --> 14:14.950]  I looked on their website.
[14:15.210 --> 14:20.630]  And they're very proud of this, the electronic tax depositing system they have.
[14:22.530 --> 14:25.750]  But if you, what they call it, they call it a paper deposit.
[14:25.930 --> 14:29.830]  If you make a paper deposit, you have to pay a 10% penalty.
[14:30.450 --> 14:31.330]  Can you believe that?
[14:31.330 --> 14:32.650]  For making a paper deposit.
[14:32.850 --> 14:35.970]  For walking into a bank or the IRS and handing the money.
[14:36.170 --> 14:37.270]  Well, that would be rather amusing.
[14:37.410 --> 14:40.950]  I'd like to walk into an IRS office with a stack of bills, put it on the desk.
[14:41.030 --> 14:41.130]  Penalty.
[14:41.210 --> 14:42.110]  There's a penalty for that.
[14:42.110 --> 14:45.330]  Ah, but you see, printed on your bill is a wonderful little phrase.
[14:45.470 --> 14:50.970]  It says, this note, good for all debts, public and private.
[14:51.130 --> 14:54.310]  Yeah, well, you might as well print Grimm's fairy tales on there, too, because it's about as meaningful.
[14:54.350 --> 14:56.710]  I'm pretty sure you could battle your way through that.
[14:57.710 --> 15:01.850]  Yeah, the battles that take place in IRS offices, they always end well.
[15:03.250 --> 15:04.430]  No question about that.
[15:04.690 --> 15:05.670]  For the IRS, they do.
[15:06.490 --> 15:08.530]  All right, fun phone call of the week to dial.
[15:08.770 --> 15:09.930]  Fun phone call of the week.
[15:10.050 --> 15:11.330]  Yeah, this is from the phone bill.
[15:12.430 --> 15:19.130]  This is, uh, there's a number that you call, uh, that lets you freeze or unfreeze your carrier choice.
[15:19.990 --> 15:21.710]  That's so you don't get slammed.
[15:22.050 --> 15:22.950]  Oh, yes, yes, yes.
[15:23.270 --> 15:24.570]  You know, by these, uh, disreputable companies.
[15:24.910 --> 15:29.710]  Uh, and basically, uh, you dial into, uh, Verizon's automated system and follow the prompts.
[15:29.810 --> 15:36.230]  You can freeze or unfreeze the telephone company you choose to carry a regional toll and or long distance calls.
[15:36.910 --> 15:41.470]  Um, and that means your, your carrier cannot be changed unless you first remove the freeze.
[15:42.750 --> 15:47.130]  This helps provide additional protection against unauthorized changes to your selected carrier, known as slamming.
[15:47.130 --> 15:49.770]  No cost to freeze or unfreeze your choice of carrier.
[15:50.370 --> 15:53.310]  You can access the automated system toll free by calling this number.
[15:53.510 --> 15:54.830]  Well, you have to call before nine o'clock.
[15:54.970 --> 15:57.350]  I don't know why you have to call before nine o'clock.
[15:57.490 --> 15:58.670]  I don't know exactly what happens.
[15:58.670 --> 16:00.250]  They're looking to save five wands.
[16:00.430 --> 16:01.150]  I guess.
[16:02.090 --> 16:04.770]  Do you think maybe it's a human being that's pretending to be automated?
[16:06.030 --> 16:10.410]  Well, that's what you get with, that's what you get with directory assistance is a human who pretends to be automated.
[16:10.410 --> 16:11.210]  Oh, I've got to show you directory assistance.
[16:11.350 --> 16:11.670]  That's next.
[16:14.330 --> 16:15.970]  Welcome to Verizon.
[16:16.350 --> 16:22.990]  This system allows you to freeze or unfreeze your choice of regional or long-distance service providers at no charge.
[16:23.670 --> 16:29.350]  Freezing your selection means that your choice of carrier cannot be changed unless you contact us to change it.
[16:29.490 --> 16:33.570]  You may freeze or unfreeze your service provider choices at any time.
[16:33.930 --> 16:37.870]  To use this system, you will need information from your Verizon phone bill.
[16:38.470 --> 16:41.930]  Please enter the area code and telephone number you are calling about.
[16:42.990 --> 16:46.590]  Okay, let's, well, let's enter, who do you want to enter?
[16:47.190 --> 16:49.070]  Oh, let's enter NBC.
[16:50.030 --> 16:51.150]  I don't have that phone bill.
[16:51.210 --> 16:52.510]  Which you know offhand, but okay.
[16:52.510 --> 16:53.210]  Well, I know that phone number.
[16:55.510 --> 17:05.450]  The telephone number you entered is 2-1-2-6-6-4-4-4-4-4-4.
[17:05.470 --> 17:06.430]  See how I can remember it?
[17:06.510 --> 17:06.730]  Yeah, I see.
[17:06.730 --> 17:07.970]  If this is correct, press 1.
[17:08.330 --> 17:10.550]  If this is not correct, press 2.
[17:10.970 --> 17:12.330]  I'll press, now I'll press 1.
[17:12.670 --> 17:13.110]  I have this.
[17:13.250 --> 17:15.230]  Please hold while we retrieve your account information.
[17:15.810 --> 17:21.290]  For your security, please enter the six digits that follow your telephone number on your Verizon phone bill.
[17:21.310 --> 17:22.710]  Well, gee, I know it's six digits now.
[17:22.850 --> 17:24.210]  These six digits are unique to your account.
[17:24.490 --> 17:26.790]  Okay, I'll enter the wrong six digits intentionally.
[17:28.590 --> 17:30.050]  Yes, I do know the six digits.
[17:30.250 --> 17:31.550]  I'm entering the wrong ones intentionally.
[17:31.570 --> 17:31.710]  I'm not saying.
[17:31.710 --> 17:31.750]  Okay.
[17:32.630 --> 17:41.770]  The six digits following your telephone number on your Verizon bill are 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6.
[17:41.990 --> 17:44.190]  If this is correct, press 1.
[17:44.370 --> 17:45.170]  Yes, I say it's correct.
[17:45.290 --> 17:49.530]  If this is not correct, if you are calling about a residence account, press 1.
[17:49.990 --> 17:53.670]  If you are calling about a business account, press 2.
[17:54.090 --> 17:55.510]  NBC is a business, right, not a residence?
[17:55.750 --> 17:56.810]  I believe it would be a business.
[17:56.810 --> 18:01.850]  Sorry, we cannot process your transaction, and service representatives are not available now.
[18:01.850 --> 18:02.870]  Oh, strike two!
[18:03.110 --> 18:14.470]  Call your Verizon service center during business hours at 2, 1, 2, 8, 9, 0, 2, 6, 9, 0.
[18:15.070 --> 18:16.610]  Thank you for calling Verizon.
[18:16.990 --> 18:17.310]  Goodbye.
[18:17.590 --> 18:17.830]  Bye.
[18:18.590 --> 18:23.990]  Okay, well, if you have those six digits, you know how easy those six digits are to get?
[18:24.530 --> 18:25.930]  Have you ever seen a phone bill?
[18:26.370 --> 18:28.350]  People throw out phone bills all the time.
[18:28.550 --> 18:31.030]  So all you have to do is find this phone number.
[18:31.110 --> 18:36.850]  And it's not hard to get the information either from the customer or even from the representative.
[18:37.130 --> 18:39.390]  I've had representatives tell me what my six digits are.
[18:40.550 --> 18:42.130]  No, seriously, this is a true story.
[18:42.270 --> 18:48.830]  You know, with regards to customer service representatives, an airline, I was trying to make a change to an airline ticket I had.
[18:49.390 --> 18:50.730]  Why did they want your phone bill for?
[18:50.830 --> 18:51.690]  No, they didn't want my phone bill.
[18:51.770 --> 18:52.610]  It's the same mentality.
[18:52.610 --> 18:53.090]  Oh, okay.
[18:53.510 --> 18:56.950]  And I didn't have any information except I just knew what the date was.
[18:57.750 --> 18:58.330]  And they said, well, you need...
[18:58.330 --> 18:58.890]  That day's date?
[18:59.070 --> 19:02.390]  No, I knew the date that I wanted to change the airline reservation from.
[19:02.730 --> 19:03.650]  Well, actually, it wasn't a reservation.
[19:03.770 --> 19:04.410]  It was an actual ticket.
[19:04.670 --> 19:04.770]  Right.
[19:04.830 --> 19:06.370]  I wanted to change it from one day to another.
[19:06.830 --> 19:08.070]  I didn't have the reservation number.
[19:08.070 --> 19:10.530]  So I called them and said, okay, what would it involve?
[19:10.530 --> 19:11.410]  How would I do this?
[19:11.490 --> 19:13.090]  You know, I'd have to provide this information.
[19:13.250 --> 19:16.170]  Okay, and then I'd, you know, I'd switch it to this day and there's something available then.
[19:16.170 --> 19:16.750]  Okay, fine.
[19:16.930 --> 19:19.470]  So I'll call you back when I have the reservation number.
[19:19.810 --> 19:21.150]  And they said, okay, thank you, sir.
[19:21.350 --> 19:23.990]  Oh, and by the way, your reservation number is...
[19:23.990 --> 19:25.110]  Not that, that, that, that.
[19:25.350 --> 19:26.710]  That's how easy it was, you see.
[19:26.850 --> 19:30.690]  So it's not inconceivable that, you know, that you could...
[19:30.690 --> 19:34.190]  And I have passwords on my Verizon accounts, too, so that you can't do this.
[19:34.310 --> 19:35.910]  They told me my password over the phone.
[19:36.370 --> 19:37.590]  I couldn't remember my password.
[19:37.790 --> 19:39.430]  I was like, oh, hi, I got a...
[19:39.430 --> 19:40.430]  And they started giving me hints.
[19:41.370 --> 19:43.690]  They let me guess multiple times until I got it.
[19:43.830 --> 19:45.110]  It's the fifth letter of the alphabet.
[19:45.290 --> 19:47.030]  And they were so happy when I finally got it.
[19:47.130 --> 19:49.170]  It was like, you know, we had both accomplished something together.
[19:50.490 --> 19:50.810]  Ridiculous.
[19:50.970 --> 19:52.310]  All right, why don't they use the verb thaw?
[19:52.930 --> 19:54.090]  The verb thaw?
[19:54.250 --> 19:54.810]  Isn't thaw out?
[19:55.070 --> 19:55.390]  Yes.
[19:55.630 --> 19:57.210]  You freeze and you thaw.
[19:57.590 --> 19:59.630]  I think we go over most people's heads.
[19:59.970 --> 20:00.590]  The use of this unfreeze is...
[20:00.590 --> 20:01.030]  Trumbling.
[20:01.290 --> 20:01.450]  Yeah.
[20:01.670 --> 20:03.150]  Now, okay, now we were talking about information.
[20:03.350 --> 20:04.910]  This, I hope I can do this.
[20:04.910 --> 20:06.110]  I hope I can call 800 information.
[20:09.950 --> 20:11.970]  I see no reason why we won't be able to do this.
[20:12.430 --> 20:13.610]  You're going to hear...
[20:13.610 --> 20:16.190]  If this works, you're going to hear complete automation.
[20:16.670 --> 20:18.630]  No human intervention whatsoever.
[20:18.630 --> 20:20.610]  They've finally gotten rid of all those nasty humans.
[20:26.480 --> 20:28.280]  Toll-free directory assistance.
[20:28.640 --> 20:31.080]  Please say just the name of the listing.
[20:31.680 --> 20:32.660]  American Airlines.
[20:33.920 --> 20:40.200]  The toll-free number for American Airlines reservation is 800 for...
[20:40.200 --> 20:41.080]  Okay, okay, we don't need that.
[20:41.200 --> 20:41.440]  I like it.
[20:41.580 --> 20:41.680]  Yeah.
[20:41.780 --> 20:43.040]  Now you know what airline I was dealing with, too.
[20:43.140 --> 20:44.280]  But isn't that amazing?
[20:44.580 --> 20:46.980]  It used to be that they would say, you know...
[20:47.820 --> 20:48.060]  They...
[20:48.060 --> 20:49.900]  First of all, the person would pick up...
[20:49.900 --> 20:50.040]  Right.
[20:50.120 --> 20:50.800]  ...and ask you the number.
[20:50.920 --> 20:51.300]  All of them.
[20:51.500 --> 20:52.220]  And they'd give you the number.
[20:52.280 --> 20:52.840]  You'd say, thank you.
[20:52.880 --> 20:53.780]  They'd say, have a nice day.
[20:53.880 --> 20:55.300]  And you'd say, oh, thank you very much.
[20:55.380 --> 20:56.060]  You know, it was very nice.
[20:56.160 --> 20:56.860]  You know, nice interaction.
[20:57.020 --> 20:59.060]  Probably the only conversation most people had in a day.
[20:59.940 --> 21:05.660]  And then it turned into, you know, you had that special recorded greeting, so the person didn't have to keep saying, you know, what number do you want?
[21:05.720 --> 21:06.300]  What number do you want?
[21:06.340 --> 21:06.880]  What number do you want?
[21:07.500 --> 21:11.700]  And then, you know, you still got the human after the recording, and then they gave you the number.
[21:12.200 --> 21:19.900]  Then it turned into the little recording, the person asking you what number you wanted, and then a recording playing of the number that you got.
[21:20.020 --> 21:21.200]  So you got the person for a little bit.
[21:21.660 --> 21:25.460]  I think the most recent one, you could just hear the person typing.
[21:25.900 --> 21:27.060]  They would never say anything.
[21:27.220 --> 21:28.920]  You would just hear the person typing for a couple of seconds.
[21:29.240 --> 21:30.440]  Now you don't hear anything.
[21:30.680 --> 21:31.920]  It's voice recognition.
[21:32.720 --> 21:35.280]  It goes to some database, immediately gives you back a number.
[21:35.560 --> 21:37.740]  What happens if there's more than one listing?
[21:38.640 --> 21:39.280]  I don't know.
[21:39.680 --> 21:42.560]  You know, what if you're looking for a specific department within an American Airlines?
[21:42.820 --> 21:47.400]  Because I've asked for very strange numbers, and the person will come on and say, Well, I've got seven of these things.
[21:47.540 --> 21:48.480]  Do you want check support?
[21:48.480 --> 21:50.360]  Do you want general services?
[21:51.680 --> 21:52.940]  Okay, let's try something.
[21:53.580 --> 21:55.700]  TWA, there's international and domestic.
[22:00.090 --> 22:02.630]  That's 1-800-555-1212.
[22:05.620 --> 22:07.580]  Toll-free directory assistance.
[22:07.920 --> 22:10.320]  Please say just the name of the listing.
[22:10.840 --> 22:11.600]  TWA.
[22:12.560 --> 22:18.760]  The toll-free number for TWA, domestic reservations, is 800-221-2000.
[22:18.760 --> 22:19.640]  But I don't want domestic.
[22:19.800 --> 22:20.380]  I want international.
[22:20.920 --> 22:21.380]  Please.
[22:21.380 --> 22:25.460]  If that was not the listing requested, press 0 now.
[22:25.580 --> 22:26.460]  But I don't have a phone.
[22:26.700 --> 22:31.400]  Again, the number is 800-221-2000.
[22:31.660 --> 22:41.380]  The toll-free number for TWA, international reservation, is 800-892-4141.
[22:41.900 --> 22:45.360]  If that was not the listing requested, press 0 now.
[22:45.780 --> 22:51.320]  Again, the number is 800-892-4141.
[22:51.320 --> 22:53.440]  What happens if you press 0?
[22:53.620 --> 22:54.300]  Please, go away.
[22:54.440 --> 22:54.700]  Thank you.
[22:54.840 --> 22:55.040]  All right.
[22:56.780 --> 22:57.660]  No humans.
[22:58.380 --> 22:59.180]  I like it.
[22:59.280 --> 23:01.140]  Yet they keep raising the rates, you know?
[23:01.960 --> 23:02.400]  Unbelievable.
[23:02.660 --> 23:04.380]  On an 800 number, rates, what?
[23:04.600 --> 23:04.860]  No, no.
[23:04.940 --> 23:05.360]  800.
[23:06.180 --> 23:06.580]  There are.
[23:06.620 --> 23:07.540]  Direct resistance is free.
[23:07.820 --> 23:08.420]  Yeah, well, okay.
[23:08.660 --> 23:10.700]  That's an interesting story in itself, all right?
[23:11.180 --> 23:12.840]  On my cell phone, okay?
[23:13.280 --> 23:14.940]  800 numbers cost money.
[23:15.380 --> 23:16.480]  Well, they cost minutes.
[23:16.480 --> 23:17.000]  It's airtime.
[23:17.000 --> 23:18.020]  Yeah, it's airtime, right.
[23:18.140 --> 23:21.740]  We've told ourselves that it's okay to charge for free calls because it's airtime.
[23:21.940 --> 23:26.820]  You'd think wiretime would be more expensive because that's finite, but airtime, oh, you've got to pay for that.
[23:27.160 --> 23:27.780]  Okay, fine.
[23:28.080 --> 23:29.340]  You pay for airtime.
[23:29.580 --> 23:34.020]  But when you call 800-INFORMATION, you pay more because you're getting information.
[23:34.520 --> 23:35.280]  Isn't that crazy?
[23:35.340 --> 23:39.800]  I mean, it's free information on a free service, yet you're paying a premium on top of a premium.
[23:40.440 --> 23:41.500]  And that's okay.
[23:41.640 --> 23:42.220]  That's not right.
[23:42.520 --> 23:43.600]  No, none of it's right.
[23:43.680 --> 23:44.460]  That's the whole point.
[23:45.180 --> 23:47.520]  All right, speaking of things that aren't right...
[23:47.520 --> 23:48.140]  Hi.
[23:49.340 --> 23:49.860]  Yes?
[23:50.180 --> 23:50.740]  No, never mind.
[23:53.000 --> 24:00.160]  Kenneth Harvey, a Newfoundland writer who has been battling Walmart stores over the rights to internet domain names, finally won one.
[24:01.040 --> 24:02.640]  This was on December 7th.
[24:02.760 --> 24:03.480]  Internet domain name?
[24:03.620 --> 24:03.900]  Yeah.
[24:04.160 --> 24:07.340]  This is the guy that had WalmartCanadaSucks.com.
[24:08.180 --> 24:08.960]  Oh, yes.
[24:08.960 --> 24:17.140]  It's a special concern for me because of all the .sucks.com domains that we have.
[24:18.080 --> 24:23.160]  An arbitrator ruled Mr. Harvey can keep WalmartCanadaSucks.com spelled with two L's.
[24:23.760 --> 24:33.120]  In two previous decisions, Mr. Harvey was ordered to turn WalmartCanada.com and WalmartCanadaSucks with one L over to the Bentonville, Arkansas retailer.
[24:33.860 --> 24:42.520]  The arbitrator chosen by the World Intellectual Property Organization ruled even though Mr. Harvey lost the rights to some domains, he should not automatically lose the rights to others.
[24:43.180 --> 24:51.640]  Whether Walmart with two L's, CanadaSucks.com is effective criticism of Walmart, whether it's in good taste, whether it focuses on the right issues, all are immaterial.
[24:51.640 --> 24:57.000]  The only question is whether it is criticism or parody, rather than free-riding on another's trademark.
[24:57.440 --> 24:58.980]  Harvey may be acting unfairly.
[24:59.040 --> 25:00.940]  He may be engaged in unwarranted disparagement.
[25:01.080 --> 25:02.420]  He may be acting childishly.
[25:02.480 --> 25:05.780]  He may be retaliating for having lost earlier cyber-squatting cases.
[25:05.780 --> 25:14.180]  But this does not necessarily mean that he may be forced to transfer the accused domain name to the complainant under the arbitration rules considering the purpose.
[25:14.180 --> 25:16.540]  All that said by Henry Parrott, the arbitrator.
[25:17.540 --> 25:26.300]  Mr. Harvey argued his rights to the WalmartCanadaSucks.com name, the one he gets to keep as two L's, the one he lost as one, was a free speech issue and not a trademark dispute.
[25:26.860 --> 25:32.780]  Walmart had argued WalmartCanadaSucks.com was confusingly similar or identical to its trademark name.
[25:33.160 --> 25:34.340]  Mr. Parrott disagreed.
[25:34.420 --> 25:37.560]  A domain name including the word sucks cannot be confusingly similar.
[25:38.040 --> 25:48.080]  Now, it's interesting that they found... they reached this conclusion for WalmartCanadaSucks with two L's, but they couldn't reach that conclusion for WalmartCanadaSucks.com with one L.
[25:48.140 --> 25:56.340]  Now, one thing that kind of disturbs me about this, Mr. Harvey's dispute with Walmart began when he registered WalmartCanada.com.
[25:56.880 --> 26:00.900]  He spent the $50 to register the name, hoping Walmart would buy the name from him.
[26:01.640 --> 26:04.940]  That, to me, that makes the whole thing illegitimate right there.
[26:04.940 --> 26:10.480]  You know, I've seen cases, there was a Verizon domain where somebody won, I think, half a million dollars.
[26:10.780 --> 26:12.860]  You know, but it's not the same thing, okay?
[26:12.920 --> 26:25.260]  When you buy something with the express purpose of selling it to the company, you know, holding it over their heads like some kind of blackmail, I think you kind of, like, lose all credence as far as, you know, free speech goes.
[26:25.900 --> 26:27.560]  You're doing it for a particular purpose.
[26:27.560 --> 26:41.400]  But if you register a site that is, you know, like we had VerizonReallySucks.com, they finally recognized that that was a speech issue because we weren't trying to sell it to them, we weren't holding it over their heads, although they took VerizonSucks.com,
[26:41.440 --> 26:42.540]  they still haven't done anything with that.
[26:44.120 --> 26:45.640]  You've got to be careful when you do these things.
[26:45.740 --> 26:46.580]  You've got to think a little bit.
[26:47.040 --> 26:50.300]  You know how much it costs to get a WIPO arbitrator?
[26:50.520 --> 26:52.160]  It costs like a thousand bucks or something.
[26:52.260 --> 26:52.900]  I think so, yeah.
[26:54.080 --> 26:57.580]  Do they charge the person back if they lose?
[26:57.980 --> 27:00.920]  The sewer has to pay, I think, but I'm not sure.
[27:02.560 --> 27:03.420]  How about that?
[27:04.520 --> 27:09.200]  My name is Ricky, is the letter, and I am a student studying in the North London University.
[27:09.540 --> 27:11.880]  A lot of people over in England listening to us.
[27:12.120 --> 27:12.780]  How are you doing?
[27:13.120 --> 27:17.780]  I recently made a trip over to San Francisco and I acquired some Region 1 DVDs.
[27:18.220 --> 27:23.300]  As my player only plays Region 2 DVDs, I have not yet been able to view my latest purchases.
[27:23.300 --> 27:24.940]  For that reason, I am contacting you.
[27:26.180 --> 27:29.640]  Can you explain a procedure to me regarding my DVD player?
[27:29.640 --> 27:34.200]  In order for me to watch multi-region DVDs, I've tried everything else and you are my only hope.
[27:35.420 --> 27:36.220]  Well, Ricky...
[27:36.220 --> 27:38.920]  And he gives you no information on this DVD player at all, either.
[27:40.080 --> 27:41.080]  It doesn't really matter.
[27:41.220 --> 27:41.460]  I know.
[27:41.540 --> 27:47.180]  If he's not able to play it back, he probably has a regular DVD player, which is what 99% of them are.
[27:48.260 --> 27:54.060]  What you want to do is contact the people who wrote the DMCA.
[27:54.060 --> 27:55.400]  You want to contact the MPAA.
[27:55.560 --> 28:08.140]  You want to contact all these nice people that somehow think it's right to restrict viewing choices that make it impossible for you to come to the United States, buy something, and bring it back to your country and view it there.
[28:09.560 --> 28:10.860]  It's beyond me.
[28:10.860 --> 28:27.700]  It's one of the things that was at the heart of the lawsuit against us that the ECSS, you know, allowed people to bypass to be able to actually view something how they choose on a Linux machine from Region 2, Region 3, whatever.
[28:28.660 --> 28:33.340]  These are restrictions that consumers have not had to deal with before.
[28:33.340 --> 28:40.660]  It's not, you know, like we're going out there and whittling away at an existing copyright regulation.
[28:40.840 --> 28:46.140]  The copyright regulations are expanding and encompassing all kinds of things they never encompassed before.
[28:46.240 --> 28:47.200]  And this is one of them.
[28:47.740 --> 28:50.000]  It was always possible for you to...
[28:50.000 --> 28:51.320]  There were different video standards.
[28:51.460 --> 28:59.820]  You could get a videotape, but you were always able to play it here if you had a PAL or an NTSC video player.
[28:59.820 --> 29:02.020]  It was always possible to do that.
[29:02.020 --> 29:06.900]  But a lot harder to get the right kind of region-playing DVD.
[29:07.260 --> 29:10.840]  And you have to get many different kinds depending on what part of the world you're in.
[29:10.940 --> 29:11.660]  Well, that's the thing.
[29:11.780 --> 29:12.960]  They're not willing to give up.
[29:13.140 --> 29:15.860]  They being the distribution channels.
[29:16.040 --> 29:24.420]  They liked the NTSC and PAL issue where you can't just, like, throw the thing in the post, send it off to the UK, and have a movie out there.
[29:24.440 --> 29:27.080]  But that was not because of copyright issues.
[29:27.220 --> 29:28.220]  That was the technology issue.
[29:28.240 --> 29:28.840]  That was the technology issue.
[29:28.840 --> 29:29.820]  Which they took advantage of.
[29:29.980 --> 29:30.180]  Exactly.
[29:30.180 --> 29:32.040]  But they're looking to continue to keep that.
[29:32.500 --> 29:36.420]  They want to have the regions where they can control releases of various movies.
[29:36.640 --> 29:43.600]  But, you see, it's also not about controlling releases of movies because old movies that have been out for decades are still coming out with region codes.
[29:43.840 --> 29:44.000]  Yeah.
[29:44.200 --> 29:52.460]  So something that's available all around the planet already, if you want to buy it here and play it in England, you have to either buy it twice or, you know, not buy it here.
[29:53.060 --> 29:54.620]  There's no logical reason for that.
[29:54.620 --> 29:58.580]  Yeah, I can sort of see, like, you know, if they're staggering the release dates of certain films.
[29:58.920 --> 30:01.660]  But, you know, you could do it before.
[30:02.380 --> 30:07.780]  If something came out on videotape, you could bring it to another country before, and simply with, you know, the right equipment, you could play it.
[30:07.880 --> 30:10.220]  Well, you can play it in the other country with the right equipment, too.
[30:10.320 --> 30:12.720]  You can buy a region one player and bring it back home with you.
[30:12.840 --> 30:13.000]  Yeah.
[30:13.840 --> 30:15.180]  But it's a lot more.
[30:15.540 --> 30:18.300]  It's gotten more complicated because there's so many different regions now.
[30:18.340 --> 30:20.120]  I think there's something like eight different regions.
[30:20.580 --> 30:21.620]  Well, yeah, 0 to 7.
[30:21.800 --> 30:22.980]  There are two basic standards.
[30:23.220 --> 30:24.220]  There's PAL and NTSC.
[30:24.340 --> 30:27.040]  There was C-CAM in some places, but that was it, you know, for the whole planet.
[30:27.900 --> 30:32.160]  So, and plus, keep in mind that a lot of those regions were the same technology.
[30:33.040 --> 30:38.800]  You know, NTSC exists in quite a few places, and PAL exists in quite a few places, and you pretty much cover everything with that.
[30:38.960 --> 30:45.220]  But the basic thing is they're looking to perpetuate that technical discontinuity between various regions of the planet.
[30:45.640 --> 30:47.360]  They're imposing it artificially.
[30:47.440 --> 30:48.140]  Right, artificially.
[30:49.000 --> 30:54.240]  We have to use, you know, our natural logic to combat their artificial stupidity.
[30:55.280 --> 30:56.660]  More artificial stupidity.
[30:57.120 --> 30:59.140]  And it just keeps flowing into each other here.
[30:59.540 --> 31:01.480]  You ever hear of something called N2H2?
[31:03.020 --> 31:03.800]  Fill me in.
[31:04.380 --> 31:04.860]  N2H2.
[31:05.000 --> 31:06.740]  It's bringing tomorrow's Internet home.
[31:07.160 --> 31:07.620]  Oh, I'm sure it is.
[31:07.620 --> 31:08.740]  The internet has been away.
[31:08.900 --> 31:09.760]  They're bringing it back home.
[31:09.760 --> 31:17.600]  So, N2H2 is the trusted leader in making the internet a safer and more productive place for over 40% of all kids online.
[31:18.320 --> 31:19.360]  Isn't that nice?
[31:19.480 --> 31:23.080]  It's lost on 60% of the kids, but for 40%, it works just fine.
[31:23.560 --> 31:29.300]  All the power and control of N2H2's industry-leading filtering for education...
[31:29.800 --> 31:31.700]  Wait, I read that sentence wrong somehow.
[31:31.760 --> 31:37.520]  All the power and control of N2H2's industry-leading filtering for education is now coming home.
[31:37.520 --> 31:40.280]  Okay, basically they filter sites.
[31:40.740 --> 31:42.480]  Now, this person sent us a letter.
[31:42.640 --> 31:47.200]  They wanted them to remove our site from their restrictions.
[31:47.420 --> 31:48.540]  Why would they ban us?
[31:48.680 --> 31:49.640]  Well, that's just it.
[31:49.720 --> 31:50.640]  They said, why would you ban 2600?
[31:51.220 --> 31:52.580]  You know, it doesn't make sense to do that.
[31:53.260 --> 31:57.420]  And here's a letter they got back concerning our site.
[31:57.560 --> 32:05.180]  This site, our site, 2600, offers the ability to download audio clips that contain profane or vulgar language.
[32:05.180 --> 32:07.320]  Which, I know they're not talking about...
[32:07.320 --> 32:07.640]  Whoa, whoa, whoa, wait a second.
[32:07.660 --> 32:08.980]  I know they're not talking about off the hook.
[32:09.100 --> 32:10.780]  Off the hook is the part I'm interested in.
[32:11.040 --> 32:13.100]  And we use profane and vulgar language.
[32:13.260 --> 32:14.440]  They say audio clips.
[32:14.820 --> 32:19.820]  Now, maybe they're referring to the H2K speech where General Biafra used the S word a couple of times.
[32:20.420 --> 32:20.760]  Hmm.
[32:21.020 --> 32:21.320]  You know?
[32:21.880 --> 32:22.460]  Could be.
[32:22.660 --> 32:26.160]  Well, that would involve someone actually going to the site, playing the thing.
[32:26.240 --> 32:27.240]  Yeah, they'd have to do that.
[32:27.440 --> 32:28.100]  They'd have to do all that.
[32:28.160 --> 32:30.800]  Playing all the audio clips to find one with a couple.
[32:30.800 --> 32:35.820]  And then, you know, couldn't you go to, say, various sites of the U.S.
[32:35.900 --> 32:39.160]  government, like court cases, where the S word was also uttered?
[32:39.700 --> 32:40.960]  I think the S word was set...
[32:40.960 --> 32:42.000]  I don't know if it goes into transcripts.
[32:42.000 --> 32:43.360]  A bunch of words were set at our trial.
[32:43.660 --> 32:44.380]  Oh, I'm sure they were.
[32:44.500 --> 32:44.920]  Yeah, they were.
[32:45.060 --> 32:46.100]  That's part of the testimony.
[32:46.180 --> 32:47.380]  There was a lot of comedy at your trial.
[32:47.520 --> 32:48.300]  Well, no, it wasn't comedy.
[32:48.440 --> 32:49.040]  It was serious.
[32:49.300 --> 32:49.440]  Oh.
[32:49.620 --> 32:50.560]  But there was comedy.
[32:50.560 --> 32:54.300]  The point is, you could find these words on governmental sites if you look hard enough.
[32:54.420 --> 32:54.840]  They're there someplace.
[32:54.840 --> 33:02.580]  Anyway, the way the site is configured, and our site, it is impossible for us to separate the various content.
[33:02.980 --> 33:04.200]  Nice filtering software.
[33:05.400 --> 33:06.880]  It's impossible for us to separate...
[33:06.880 --> 33:07.700]  And they're blaming it on us.
[33:07.780 --> 33:09.340]  They're saying, because of the way the site is configured.
[33:09.460 --> 33:10.140]  Yeah, it's configured.
[33:10.300 --> 33:11.240]  You know, the files are here.
[33:11.340 --> 33:12.600]  You click on this to get them.
[33:13.460 --> 33:14.160]  Good Lord.
[33:14.160 --> 33:20.820]  It has regrettably become necessary for us to categorize this site as, all caps, profanity!
[33:22.620 --> 33:23.020]  Profanity!
[33:23.240 --> 33:24.160]  Yeah, that's our site.
[33:24.160 --> 33:24.760]  Profanity!
[33:24.780 --> 33:26.000]  That's what it's all about, folks.
[33:26.580 --> 33:35.980]  It is your local policy, again, blaming the other person now, this time blaming the person running the software, it is your local policy to filter sites in the profanity category.
[33:37.000 --> 33:38.800]  We do appreciate your feedback.
[33:39.060 --> 33:43.740]  Please let us know if you find any other sites you think may be incorrectly rated by Bess.
[33:43.900 --> 33:45.800]  Bess, I guess, is the name of their software.
[33:46.220 --> 33:51.120]  It's some old lady sitting in the corner listening to various bits and pieces of Jell of the Opera.
[33:51.780 --> 33:52.220]  Yeah.
[33:52.220 --> 33:54.500]  That's the N2H2 website review team.
[33:54.540 --> 33:57.360]  If you have any questions for them, their email address is reviewme.
[33:57.760 --> 34:00.000]  Reviewme at n2h2.com.
[34:00.300 --> 34:05.520]  And these guys are based out in Washington, I think.
[34:05.780 --> 34:06.340]  Which one?
[34:07.180 --> 34:07.740]  N2H2.
[34:07.900 --> 34:08.380]  They say we are?
[34:08.380 --> 34:08.980]  No, which Washington?
[34:09.360 --> 34:10.180]  Washington State.
[34:10.340 --> 34:16.400]  We understand that parents, teachers, and employers want Internet content that's relevant and appropriate for their children, students, and employees.
[34:16.980 --> 34:22.400]  Our technology and services provides a safer, smarter, and more productive Internet experience for millions of people worldwide.
[34:22.740 --> 34:32.540]  In 1995, the creation of the Bess filtering system, the Internet's first server-based filtering proxy network, quickly established N2H2 as the market leader in education.
[34:32.540 --> 34:33.400]  God help us.
[34:33.820 --> 34:37.720]  Today, more schools use N2H2 than any other available filtering system.
[34:37.940 --> 34:45.700]  Over 13.4 million students in North America viewed more than 4 billion Internet pages delivered by the Bess filtering system last year alone.
[34:45.700 --> 34:51.520]  Well, if you want to filter some of your comments over to them, they're over there at Seattle, Washington.
[34:52.020 --> 34:53.300]  They have an 877 number.
[34:53.460 --> 34:55.680]  1-877-336-2999.
[34:56.120 --> 34:57.180]  If we had more time, I'd call them.
[34:57.340 --> 34:59.180]  I had an 866 number on the radio today.
[34:59.700 --> 35:00.340]  866, yeah.
[35:00.360 --> 35:00.720]  866.
[35:01.100 --> 35:03.100]  Is the first time I really heard that advertisement.
[35:03.220 --> 35:06.680]  Yeah, then there'll be 855 and 844 and 833 and 822, and then that's it.
[35:07.280 --> 35:07.860]  No 811?
[35:08.440 --> 35:09.000]  I don't know.
[35:09.080 --> 35:09.500]  Probably not.
[35:09.520 --> 35:10.660]  I think they're going to use that for something else.
[35:10.780 --> 35:10.880]  No.
[35:12.240 --> 35:13.460]  Okay, let's take some phone calls.
[35:13.540 --> 35:15.000]  212-209-2900.
[35:15.100 --> 35:18.760]  Yeah, we have an interesting little piece of...
[35:18.760 --> 35:20.300]  Well, someone dropped by the studio.
[35:20.300 --> 35:21.620]  We can't really go into more detail on that.
[35:21.720 --> 35:29.800]  Someone dropped by the studio and gave us some interesting governmental things that we're always open to get.
[35:30.000 --> 35:35.040]  You know, please send us things here at the radio station or at the magazine, and we'll do interesting things with them.
[35:35.100 --> 35:36.760]  Now, Mike, you're holding the...
[35:36.760 --> 35:41.940]  This is the Best Practices for Seizing Electronic Evidence, a joint project of the U.S.
[35:42.020 --> 35:46.900]  Secret Service, the International Association of Chiefs of Police, and National Institute of Justice.
[35:47.220 --> 35:49.640]  Otherwise known as the Pocket Guide to Jack-booted Thuggery.
[35:49.640 --> 35:53.420]  So this is something that you would carry around if you were going around seizing electronic equipment.
[35:53.440 --> 35:56.760]  It's about 10 pages, laminated, notebook style.
[35:57.380 --> 36:04.380]  It took 25 police departments to produce this, and it tells you how to seize electronic things.
[36:04.600 --> 36:05.460]  How to seize electronic...
[36:05.460 --> 36:06.580]  Are you going to give us an example of...
[36:06.580 --> 36:09.800]  Well, step one is secure the scene, unplug telephone lines, whatever.
[36:10.460 --> 36:12.300]  Step two, secure the computer as evidence.
[36:12.580 --> 36:15.220]  If the computer is off, do not turn on.
[36:15.220 --> 36:22.520]  And if the computer is on, if it's a standalone, non-networked computer, you should consult a computer specialist.
[36:23.140 --> 36:23.540]  Okay.
[36:23.800 --> 36:24.740]  Well, where do they come from?
[36:25.240 --> 36:26.740]  A little jimmy down the block.
[36:26.740 --> 36:28.300]  The place you're raiding probably has them.
[36:28.520 --> 36:28.720]  Well.
[36:30.520 --> 36:30.920]  Okay.
[36:31.140 --> 36:36.040]  And if you can't get a specialist, there's a six-step process for how to turn the computer off.
[36:36.360 --> 36:36.820]  Six steps.
[36:36.900 --> 36:37.440]  Okay, tell us.
[36:37.520 --> 36:40.440]  Because there's a lot of people out there that want to turn their computers off, I'm sure, that need to know this.
[36:41.600 --> 36:59.700]  Photograph the screen, then disconnect all power sources, unplug from the wall and back of the computer, place evidence tape over each drive slot, photograph and diagram and label the back of computer components with all existing connections, label all connectors and cable ends to allow reassembly as needed.
[37:00.060 --> 37:05.260]  If transport is required, package components and transport store components as fragile cargo.
[37:05.660 --> 37:10.060]  Keep away from magnets, radio transmitters, and otherwise hostile environments.
[37:10.440 --> 37:13.220]  If it's a network or business computers, don't even do that.
[37:13.380 --> 37:15.360]  Just immediately consult the computer specialist.
[37:15.680 --> 37:17.820]  If you can't find one, you just lose.
[37:19.540 --> 37:19.980]  Unbelievable.
[37:20.380 --> 37:21.700]  You stand there and you wait.
[37:21.960 --> 37:23.580]  I can't believe how nice that looks.
[37:23.820 --> 37:29.220]  It's something that, you know, it's all laminated and, you know, a little spiral notebook type of thing there.
[37:29.860 --> 37:30.500]  It's great.
[37:30.640 --> 37:38.000]  One of the nice things about it is you need a specialist in order to unplug your computer, but there's a one-page reference manual to tracing email.
[37:38.740 --> 37:39.940]  Okay, we've got to know this one.
[37:40.440 --> 37:41.080]  How do you trace email?
[37:42.200 --> 37:50.640]  It gives you a sample email header where about half the email addresses in their sample header are not valid addresses.
[37:50.840 --> 37:50.980]  Okay.
[37:51.760 --> 37:53.920]  They're missing at signs or whatever.
[37:54.980 --> 38:02.380]  When an internet email message is sent, the user typically controls only the recipient lines, 2 and BCC, and the subject line.
[38:02.720 --> 38:06.080]  Mail software adds the rest of the header information as it is processed.
[38:06.080 --> 38:08.120]  And it tells you how to read the header.
[38:09.160 --> 38:12.040]  So basically they explain the difference between 2 and subject.
[38:12.700 --> 38:13.180]  Okay.
[38:13.580 --> 38:14.240]  That's great.
[38:14.380 --> 38:16.100]  Now, how do you trace...
[38:16.100 --> 38:21.820]  Are they saying that basically the person's email address is the 2 field and that's the extent of their tracing?
[38:22.420 --> 38:23.680]  As far as I can tell.
[38:24.240 --> 38:28.840]  Well, I imagine they bring this stuff back to an actual unit that does the forensics.
[38:28.860 --> 38:30.480]  They have an even bigger book there, huh?
[38:32.260 --> 38:32.800]  All right.
[38:33.020 --> 38:34.240]  It's a loose-leaf binder.
[38:34.580 --> 38:35.420]  Yeah, loose-leaf binder.
[38:35.640 --> 38:36.160]  Hard copy book.
[38:36.160 --> 38:43.020]  We also learned from another one of the martiales that in 2000, the first hacker raid on Wall Street happened.
[38:44.380 --> 38:46.420]  Wait, happened or is going to happen?
[38:46.460 --> 38:47.820]  There's three weeks left, man.
[38:48.040 --> 38:49.240]  We're on Wall Street.
[38:49.320 --> 38:50.620]  We're right on Wall Street here.
[38:50.780 --> 38:52.540]  So that's of concern to me.
[38:52.720 --> 38:53.880]  2000 ITTI.
[38:54.120 --> 38:55.660]  First hacker arrest on Wall Street.
[38:55.840 --> 39:00.440]  Denial of service and hacker intrusion on Wall Street financial institution and brokerage house.
[39:00.580 --> 39:01.360]  That's all it says.
[39:01.660 --> 39:01.900]  Uh-huh.
[39:02.660 --> 39:05.600]  Well, I don't think this is a financial institution brokerage house.
[39:06.240 --> 39:08.940]  I love how they capitalize certain words.
[39:09.120 --> 39:10.620]  Like, unsecure the scene.
[39:11.160 --> 39:13.000]  Officer safety is paramount.
[39:13.100 --> 39:15.320]  The only word that wasn't capitalized there is is.
[39:17.780 --> 39:21.240]  And I'm not quite sure is that a little slogan that they say or something like that.
[39:22.180 --> 39:23.820]  Whole thing on wireless telephones.
[39:23.920 --> 39:26.160]  Potential evidence contained in wireless devices.
[39:26.340 --> 39:28.540]  This is all the things you can find if you take someone's phone.
[39:28.820 --> 39:29.620]  Numbers called.
[39:29.800 --> 39:31.440]  Numbers stored for speed dial.
[39:31.720 --> 39:33.340]  Caller ID for incoming calls.
[39:33.560 --> 39:34.460]  Other information.
[39:35.020 --> 39:36.140]  Phone and pager numbers.
[39:36.160 --> 39:36.840]  Names and addresses.
[39:37.080 --> 39:37.480]  PIN numbers.
[39:37.580 --> 39:38.560]  Voicemail access number.
[39:38.720 --> 39:39.420]  Voicemail password.
[39:40.120 --> 39:41.320]  Debit card numbers.
[39:41.440 --> 39:42.240]  Calling card numbers.
[39:42.360 --> 39:43.800]  Email internet access information.
[39:44.000 --> 39:46.940]  The on-screen image may contain other valuable information.
[39:47.180 --> 39:49.240]  All the kind of stuff you'd want for identity theft.
[39:49.580 --> 39:50.080]  That's right.
[39:50.380 --> 39:50.940]  Yeah, definitely.
[39:51.180 --> 39:53.320]  There's two ways you can use all this.
[39:53.800 --> 39:57.980]  There's a two-page org chart here of the New York Electronic Crimes Task Force.
[39:59.120 --> 40:01.360]  The head of it is Robert Weaver of the U.S.
[40:01.460 --> 40:02.040]  Secret Service.
[40:02.400 --> 40:03.280]  So, watch out.
[40:03.520 --> 40:03.720]  Uh-huh.
[40:03.980 --> 40:07.080]  I believe you had a particular thing to say about this page.
[40:07.160 --> 40:10.640]  The facsimile machine, the picture next to it is a laser copier.
[40:11.100 --> 40:12.080]  A laser printer, rather.
[40:12.220 --> 40:12.480]  Laser printer.
[40:12.520 --> 40:15.300]  Well, I guess, you know, you can use a laser printer to get faxes, and they probably do that.
[40:15.360 --> 40:15.920]  Oh, yeah.
[40:16.600 --> 40:18.080]  I don't think they were thinking of that.
[40:18.260 --> 40:21.600]  Laser printers are kind of fun, too, because you can actually dump stuff into their buffers.
[40:21.800 --> 40:21.960]  Yeah.
[40:22.400 --> 40:24.080]  And I don't think that's in the little guide there.
[40:24.740 --> 40:26.200]  They didn't know about that, Isaac.
[40:26.700 --> 40:27.300]  Oh, sorry.
[40:27.600 --> 40:28.600]  Next version.
[40:28.820 --> 40:29.540]  Call the specialist.
[40:29.780 --> 40:30.220]  Yeah, exactly.
[40:30.380 --> 40:36.680]  You guys can send me an email, you call your specialist, and I'll tell you how you can dump 64K worth of garbage into your HP.
[40:38.820 --> 40:40.180]  Okay, well, this is fascinating.
[40:40.360 --> 40:42.680]  I'm sure we'll be looking at this a lot more.
[40:43.560 --> 40:45.580]  We have several bits of information here.
[40:45.720 --> 40:48.020]  And again, if you want to send us stuff, feel free.
[40:48.940 --> 40:51.140]  The address of the magazine, 2600, P.O.
[40:51.180 --> 40:53.920]  Box 752, Middle Island, New York, 11953.
[40:53.960 --> 40:59.760]  The address here at the radio station, off the hook, care of WBAI, 120 Wall Street, New York, New York, 10005.
[41:01.100 --> 41:05.980]  And, of course, you can write to us, send us email, OTH at 2600.com.
[41:07.020 --> 41:07.540]  Guess what?
[41:08.300 --> 41:10.840]  I'm going away next, not next week, the week after that.
[41:11.180 --> 41:13.000]  Yeah, I decided I just want to go.
[41:13.140 --> 41:17.000]  Actually, I wanted to go to the Chaos Communications Congress, which we talked about a couple weeks ago.
[41:17.000 --> 41:20.700]  And that's in Berlin on the 27th, 28th, and 29th.
[41:20.760 --> 41:28.920]  I strongly suggest people go to that, get a feel of what, you know, a hacker convention is outside of America.
[41:29.620 --> 41:31.120]  And they have these every year.
[41:31.240 --> 41:32.300]  They've been going on for quite some time.
[41:32.640 --> 41:35.020]  Longer, I think, than any other conference has been happening.
[41:36.040 --> 41:43.420]  And, well, okay, this is an interesting story because I wanted to head over there and I only had, you know, maybe two and a half weeks' notice.
[41:43.660 --> 41:49.000]  So I started shopping around, you know, the airlines again to see what it would cost to fly to Berlin.
[41:49.260 --> 41:51.440]  Yeah, well, you know, you sort of need them to get places.
[41:52.480 --> 41:53.560]  And you know how much...
[41:53.560 --> 41:54.600]  Drive to Berlin?
[41:54.620 --> 41:55.340]  How are you going to do that?
[41:57.000 --> 41:58.060]  Sometimes I wonder about you.
[41:59.680 --> 42:03.180]  Anyway, the point is, I asked, you know, how much...
[42:03.180 --> 42:06.200]  You know, on the web, I was browsing because you don't talk to people anymore.
[42:06.340 --> 42:06.740]  God forbid.
[42:07.020 --> 42:09.800]  First of all, I never answer the phone, so you have to, like, ask on the web.
[42:10.120 --> 42:15.620]  So I checked all the airlines, all the major airlines, and you know how much they wanted to fly from New York to Berlin?
[42:15.720 --> 42:16.600]  Two and a half week notice.
[42:16.800 --> 42:17.520]  Two and a half week notice?
[42:17.700 --> 42:18.760]  How much do you think they would want for that?
[42:21.300 --> 42:21.940]  800 up?
[42:22.140 --> 42:22.460]  No.
[42:22.660 --> 42:23.740]  No, they want more than that.
[42:24.340 --> 42:25.020]  1200 and up.
[42:25.120 --> 42:26.100]  They want more than that.
[42:26.920 --> 42:27.560]  17 and up.
[42:27.600 --> 42:28.300]  No, more than that.
[42:28.320 --> 42:29.700]  They wanted about $5,000.
[42:30.200 --> 42:30.420]  What?
[42:30.480 --> 42:31.400]  Can you believe that?
[42:31.660 --> 42:32.700]  Round trip or one more?
[42:32.740 --> 42:33.160]  Round trip.
[42:33.340 --> 42:33.780]  Oh, round trip.
[42:38.300 --> 42:40.200]  I wouldn't pay that or stand up and pay that or anything.
[42:40.380 --> 42:42.240]  I wasn't about to pay that kind of money for anything.
[42:42.340 --> 42:42.740]  So you're going to drive.
[42:42.860 --> 42:45.440]  Short of orbit, I would not pay that kind of money.
[42:45.520 --> 42:48.500]  So call a human travel agent and see what they have to say.
[42:48.740 --> 42:50.180]  Well, yeah, I could do that too, I guess.
[42:51.220 --> 42:51.760]  What is that?
[42:51.780 --> 42:52.820]  That whole human thing, you know?
[42:53.300 --> 42:53.580]  Wow.
[42:53.580 --> 42:54.460]  Boy, the human is at all costs.
[42:55.260 --> 42:57.780]  Well, again, I've used Priceline three times now.
[42:57.920 --> 42:58.920]  So I figured, why not?
[42:58.980 --> 43:00.360]  I never used them for international before.
[43:00.700 --> 43:02.160]  Why not just give it a try for this?
[43:02.740 --> 43:05.780]  So I entered Priceline, you know, entered all the information.
[43:05.960 --> 43:16.320]  You put in your city, you put in where you want to go, the date you want to go, limitations, you know, you want to take a propeller plane, you want to take, you know, make connections, are you flexible on time, that kind of thing.
[43:16.340 --> 43:17.600]  Yeah, it's a range of dates, right?
[43:18.060 --> 43:18.760]  No, it's not a range.
[43:18.840 --> 43:21.220]  You can make it a range of dates or you can say a specific date.
[43:21.400 --> 43:21.640]  Okay.
[43:21.640 --> 43:27.080]  All right, so I said the specific date and I said, you know, I'm willing to make a few stopovers and things like that, no problem.
[43:27.380 --> 43:28.440]  Stopovers in the Atlantic.
[43:28.560 --> 43:37.740]  Yeah, now, the thing is, you have to give it your credit card information first before it goes out and tries to find anything for you because the deal is, if it finds something that fits your criteria, you can't change your mind.
[43:37.940 --> 43:39.820]  Well, you can change your mind, you just lose your money.
[43:40.900 --> 43:41.620]  So that's...
[43:41.620 --> 43:42.120]  You don't go.
[43:42.380 --> 43:43.720]  Yeah, that's the catch.
[43:44.060 --> 43:48.000]  For me, that's a good catch because, you know, they've come through several times before.
[43:48.200 --> 43:54.180]  So what price would you ask for after being hit with $5,000 as the basic price?
[43:55.060 --> 43:55.500]  Two?
[43:55.800 --> 43:56.560]  $2,000?
[43:56.880 --> 43:57.840]  You're a sucker, you know that?
[43:57.920 --> 43:58.460]  You really are.
[43:58.540 --> 43:58.940]  I'm a sucker?
[43:59.020 --> 43:59.720]  You're a sucker.
[43:59.980 --> 44:00.660]  What'd you do, $50?
[44:01.200 --> 44:02.140]  No, I didn't do $50.
[44:02.220 --> 44:03.620]  I might have tried that.
[44:04.780 --> 44:05.840]  I asked for $400.
[44:06.100 --> 44:06.540]  $400?
[44:06.720 --> 44:06.840]  Yeah.
[44:07.180 --> 44:08.380]  And I got a little warning.
[44:08.500 --> 44:15.220]  I never got this before from Priceline saying, you have a very, very low chance of getting this, a 14% chance of getting this.
[44:15.380 --> 44:17.580]  We strongly suggest you raise your price.
[44:18.320 --> 44:19.360]  And I said, why?
[44:19.360 --> 44:20.160]  What's the point?
[44:20.240 --> 44:21.300]  If I don't get it, I don't get it.
[44:21.360 --> 44:22.900]  So I'm just going to keep the price and see what happens.
[44:23.080 --> 44:23.160]  Yeah.
[44:23.700 --> 44:27.200]  And less than an hour later, I got an email saying, hey, your price was accepted.
[44:27.680 --> 44:29.080]  I'm trying to tell you to say this on the air.
[44:29.100 --> 44:29.600]  Who are you flying?
[44:30.540 --> 44:31.780]  I'm not going to tell you who I'm flying.
[44:31.960 --> 44:33.440]  Well, I'm not going to put a bomb on the plane.
[44:33.440 --> 44:34.560]  No, I can't pronounce the name.
[44:34.720 --> 44:35.100]  Oh, okay.
[44:35.860 --> 44:37.100]  It doesn't matter who I'm flying.
[44:37.180 --> 44:37.740]  That's not the point.
[44:37.820 --> 44:38.440]  The point is that...
[44:38.440 --> 44:39.180]  Is it out of a real airport?
[44:39.380 --> 44:41.000]  Yeah, real airport, real cities.
[44:41.280 --> 44:41.660]  Oh, wow.
[44:42.140 --> 44:44.260]  And, you know, supposedly everything else is fine.
[44:44.380 --> 44:44.940]  But the point is...
[44:44.940 --> 44:45.180]  400.
[44:45.580 --> 44:46.520]  It got me there.
[44:46.620 --> 44:50.800]  And the best part about it is that I'm making stopovers that are closer to where I want to go first.
[44:50.800 --> 44:52.960]  I wanted to go to Amsterdam before I went to Berlin.
[44:53.100 --> 44:58.440]  So now, I'm not flying to Berlin, taking a train back to Amsterdam and then taking a train back to Berlin to fly out.
[44:58.980 --> 45:04.900]  I'm flying to someplace, getting off the plane, not using my second ticket, and then going to Amsterdam.
[45:05.180 --> 45:06.640]  And, I looked at the map.
[45:06.780 --> 45:07.940]  You could sell the second ticket, couldn't you?
[45:08.120 --> 45:09.000]  I could do that, I guess.
[45:09.100 --> 45:09.960]  Yeah, I could do that.
[45:10.100 --> 45:10.620]  Probably not.
[45:11.400 --> 45:12.320]  Hard to sell tickets.
[45:12.420 --> 45:13.500]  Because they got your name on them.
[45:13.520 --> 45:13.980]  That's true.
[45:14.460 --> 45:15.280]  We'll work something out.
[45:16.200 --> 45:25.200]  Anyway, the point is, I looked at the map and between Amsterdam and Berlin, I noticed to the north is this little country called Denmark, which I've never been to in my life.
[45:25.300 --> 45:26.140]  And I figured, why not?
[45:26.300 --> 45:28.320]  Just take a train up to Denmark on the way to Berlin.
[45:28.760 --> 45:31.760]  So I got on the IRC server, irc.2600.net.
[45:32.080 --> 45:35.180]  And sure enough, there's a pound 2600 DK there.
[45:35.360 --> 45:36.720]  You know how it works on our server?
[45:37.240 --> 45:44.720]  Basically, you put the two-letter country thing at the end of the 2600, if it's a 2600 meeting or a group of people in that country.
[45:45.040 --> 45:51.820]  So for instance, California would be CA 2600 because the state comes first.
[45:52.000 --> 45:54.140]  But Canada would be 2600 CA.
[45:54.660 --> 45:55.020]  See?
[45:55.120 --> 45:55.540]  That works.
[45:55.640 --> 45:55.800]  Yeah.
[45:55.940 --> 45:57.480]  So I went to 2600 DK.
[45:57.880 --> 45:59.420]  I hope I'm not doing this backwards, am I?
[46:00.480 --> 46:01.240]  I don't think I'm doing it.
[46:01.240 --> 46:01.520]  I don't know.
[46:01.620 --> 46:02.100]  I'm getting it right.
[46:02.100 --> 46:11.860]  But the point is, it's really cool to be able to just find a country, talk to people there, and all of a sudden you know people in that country because I didn't know anybody in Denmark before.
[46:12.080 --> 46:18.180]  So now I'm heading over to Copenhagen and in all three places I'm hoping to show the film, Freedom of Downtime, which is now finished.
[46:18.560 --> 46:18.860]  Excellent.
[46:19.420 --> 46:19.600]  Yeah.
[46:19.900 --> 46:21.060]  It's all on VHS and everything.
[46:21.340 --> 46:23.520]  It's on Beta SP right now.
[46:23.640 --> 46:25.160]  We have a PAL version to bring with you.
[46:25.640 --> 46:26.520]  We're working that out.
[46:26.600 --> 46:27.680]  We're working out the little details.
[46:27.720 --> 46:29.020]  It would be somewhat embarrassing to show.
[46:29.020 --> 46:30.960]  We're aware of that little complication.
[46:31.620 --> 46:31.740]  All right.
[46:31.800 --> 46:33.880]  212-209-2900 is our phone number.
[46:34.300 --> 46:36.400]  Let's go to this switchboard here.
[46:37.180 --> 46:37.720]  Good evening.
[46:37.860 --> 46:38.420]  You're on the air.
[46:38.880 --> 46:42.640]  Oh, you know, why do people call for a half hour only to hang up at the last minute?
[46:43.120 --> 46:44.060]  Can you believe that?
[46:44.200 --> 46:44.640]  Let's go over here.
[46:44.720 --> 46:44.960]  Good evening.
[46:45.080 --> 46:45.460]  You're on the air.
[46:47.200 --> 46:47.900]  Speak up, please.
[46:48.320 --> 46:48.600]  Hi there.
[46:48.980 --> 46:54.880]  Yeah, I've got like a little trademark scam thing that I was thinking through and wanted to run it past you guys.
[46:54.900 --> 46:56.400]  Oh, we're interested in any scam you got.
[46:56.480 --> 46:56.720]  Go ahead.
[46:56.820 --> 46:56.980]  All right.
[46:57.320 --> 46:57.700]  Here you go.
[46:57.920 --> 47:06.900]  So you got these domain names out there or kind of like the new not new, but you got different name servers out there doing kind of alternative name service.
[47:07.100 --> 47:07.480]  Okay.
[47:07.580 --> 47:12.060]  Like different .x, you know, you know, namespace and those kind of guys.
[47:12.500 --> 47:12.600]  Y 'all.
[47:13.940 --> 47:14.520]  Go ahead.
[47:15.080 --> 47:15.360]  All right.
[47:15.660 --> 47:22.760]  So say you were to take just a general word, right, and take on like a .web.
[47:23.240 --> 47:27.860]  It's not like officially accepted through like ICANN and all those guys, right?
[47:28.020 --> 47:28.260]  Right.
[47:29.020 --> 47:35.980]  But you go ahead and get these generic names anyways using these third-party kind of off-beat name servers, right?
[47:36.240 --> 47:36.440]  Mm-hmm.
[47:36.600 --> 47:47.300]  And then you go ahead and throw a site up and then like say ICANN comes out with these new domain names like in like three months or so or whenever they're coming out with like .webs and...
[47:47.300 --> 48:01.980]  Well, let me just interrupt you there because I think that's the exact reason why .web was not accepted as a new top-level domain because there already was a .web that was being used in just this manner and it would have been unfair, A, to the people that had already registered with them and B,
[48:02.260 --> 48:07.020]  the people who hadn't registered with them because all these other people would have been there first if they chose to do it that way.
[48:07.300 --> 48:07.940]  Very cool.
[48:08.220 --> 48:08.440]  All right.
[48:08.620 --> 48:08.840]  Yeah.
[48:09.420 --> 48:09.620]  Yeah.
[48:09.620 --> 48:10.100]  I don't know.
[48:10.100 --> 48:11.880]  That's the risk involved in that.
[48:12.160 --> 48:12.440]  Gotcha.
[48:12.700 --> 48:12.940]  Gotcha.
[48:13.460 --> 48:14.880]  Yeah, I was just thinking that one through.
[48:15.040 --> 48:26.380]  I kind of got burned on a very generic word that dude stuck a lawyer on me and, you know, kind of Sunday morning I got served with papers, you know, like, whoa.
[48:26.940 --> 48:27.680]  Sunday morning.
[48:27.920 --> 48:28.400]  Wow.
[48:28.520 --> 48:28.920]  They're serious.
[48:29.040 --> 48:29.560]  It's Sunday morning.
[48:29.840 --> 48:31.360]  You mean you had a top-level domain?
[48:31.620 --> 48:33.500]  Yeah, I had brainwash.com.
[48:33.680 --> 48:34.400]  Generic word.
[48:34.860 --> 48:37.140]  First domain name like ever registered.
[48:37.660 --> 48:42.180]  It wasn't, you know, it was a site that was basically called Bell...
[48:43.040 --> 48:43.500]  Let's see.
[48:43.600 --> 48:44.360]  It was a...
[48:45.860 --> 48:49.040]  It was basically Bell Atlantic makes me feel like a crack whore.
[48:49.140 --> 48:51.540]  And it was a lot of cartoons about Bell Atlantic.
[48:51.620 --> 48:52.880]  You were wondering about the profanity?
[48:53.280 --> 48:54.360]  Yeah, hey, I'm sorry about that.
[48:55.060 --> 48:56.360]  There's no profanity in there.
[48:56.400 --> 48:57.060]  That was the name of my site.
[48:57.220 --> 48:59.120]  And it was out in search engines.
[48:59.320 --> 48:59.720]  You know, I was using...
[48:59.720 --> 48:59.960]  Wait a minute.
[49:00.060 --> 49:00.320]  Hold on.
[49:00.420 --> 49:00.640]  Hold on.
[49:00.720 --> 49:01.300]  Stop one second.
[49:01.400 --> 49:01.520]  Sure.
[49:02.060 --> 49:09.120]  You're telling us that you were served with papers on a Sunday morning because of a site called Bell Atlantic makes me feel like a crack whore.com.
[49:09.220 --> 49:09.880]  Is that what you're calling us?
[49:09.880 --> 49:10.380]  No, no, no, no, no.
[49:10.520 --> 49:10.800]  Oh, okay.
[49:10.800 --> 49:13.960]  I got served because my domain name was Brainwash.
[49:14.100 --> 49:15.260]  Okay, Brainwash.com.
[49:15.440 --> 49:16.200]  Why would you get served?
[49:16.220 --> 49:16.580]  The CIA wanted it.
[49:16.960 --> 49:18.260]  Who owns Brainwash?
[49:18.360 --> 49:20.760]  It's on like a California cafe place.
[49:20.760 --> 49:21.720]  Oh, please.
[49:22.140 --> 49:22.500]  Yeah, I know.
[49:23.080 --> 49:24.600]  I hope you're fighting this.
[49:24.760 --> 49:26.000]  Well, no, I mean, here...
[49:26.000 --> 49:27.200]  Well, it kind of went down.
[49:27.380 --> 49:28.500]  I mean, it's pretty much over.
[49:29.120 --> 49:34.280]  Like, these dudes, these guys came to me and said, hey, we like your domain.
[49:34.680 --> 49:35.520]  You know, let us...
[49:36.020 --> 49:38.100]  Let's trade domains or we have a restaurant.
[49:38.360 --> 49:40.160]  You know, we want your domain.
[49:40.420 --> 49:42.680]  Let's trade or tell me what you want for it.
[49:43.060 --> 49:45.220]  And I said, well, all right.
[49:45.720 --> 49:46.860]  I don't really want to sell it.
[49:46.920 --> 49:48.660]  You know, it's kind of like my homepage.
[49:48.880 --> 49:49.700]  It's my email.
[49:49.900 --> 49:52.120]  And they're like, well, you know...
[49:53.160 --> 49:56.100]  They basically forced you to get rid of it one way or another.
[49:56.280 --> 49:58.560]  Next thing I know, I'm getting these like legal papers.
[49:58.600 --> 49:59.780]  It's like, boom.
[50:00.120 --> 50:01.720]  You know, I'm being sued downtown.
[50:02.180 --> 50:06.140]  So, basically, it was like, lose my house or what?
[50:06.280 --> 50:09.080]  Take like a couple grand and just like walk away from it.
[50:09.220 --> 50:10.180]  Let me ask you, they're in California.
[50:10.180 --> 50:10.700]  You're where?
[50:11.080 --> 50:12.260]  I'm in Philadelphia.
[50:12.520 --> 50:12.960]  In Philadelphia.
[50:13.180 --> 50:18.340]  Okay, so what jurisdiction did they have to serve you with papers or what court did this?
[50:18.980 --> 50:20.320]  I don't even know what court it was.
[50:20.440 --> 50:21.860]  You know, it's just like, whoa.
[50:22.040 --> 50:27.100]  I don't think they have a leg to stand on unless you were pretending to be their company or something like that.
[50:27.160 --> 50:28.360]  A name like brainwashed.
[50:28.440 --> 50:30.220]  I think they were using scare tactics on you.
[50:30.300 --> 50:32.680]  And unfortunately, the scare tactics work most of the time.
[50:32.680 --> 50:33.140]  Right, right.
[50:33.260 --> 50:33.440]  Totally.
[50:33.640 --> 50:34.400]  I had no...
[50:34.400 --> 50:35.060]  I had no...
[50:35.060 --> 50:37.960]  My wife was like, what, you want to fight this or what?
[50:38.100 --> 50:39.440]  Just give up your homepage, you know?
[50:39.520 --> 50:40.640]  Yeah, and most people will do that.
[50:40.880 --> 50:47.000]  See, now people ask, why do you take out all these like crazy names with, you know, four-letter words and sucks in them?
[50:47.400 --> 50:50.180]  The reason we do it is because so many people can't.
[50:50.340 --> 50:57.880]  So many people don't have the energy to fight these battles and that's why it's very important to stand up and say, no, this is speech and we will hold on to this.
[50:58.040 --> 50:58.720]  Yeah, yeah.
[50:58.940 --> 50:59.220]  Right now.
[50:59.560 --> 51:01.500]  Well, anyway, yeah, so I don't know.
[51:01.620 --> 51:07.360]  Don't go to this like San Francisco cafe by like a really bad name at this point.
[51:07.440 --> 51:08.020]  But anyway...
[51:08.020 --> 51:09.760]  Well, we're definitely going to look into this a little bit more.
[51:09.880 --> 51:11.540]  That really was a sleazy thing for them to do.
[51:11.580 --> 51:12.160]  Oh, yeah, yeah.
[51:12.320 --> 51:13.340]  It was low blow.
[51:13.560 --> 51:13.700]  Yeah.
[51:13.920 --> 51:16.300]  Anyways, yeah, like keep up the good work.
[51:16.440 --> 51:17.500]  I'm glad the show's on the air, so...
[51:17.500 --> 51:18.860]  Okay, thanks for the story.
[51:19.080 --> 51:19.740]  Very interesting.
[51:20.200 --> 51:22.840]  I don't think I want to walk into a place called Brainwash Anyway.
[51:22.960 --> 51:24.720]  What kind of a cafe is called the Brainwash Cafe?
[51:25.820 --> 51:27.120]  What kind of tactic is that?
[51:27.600 --> 51:28.580]  That troubles me.
[51:28.820 --> 51:32.360]  I mean, how can you take someone seriously whose name is Brainwashed?
[51:32.580 --> 51:32.740]  You know?
[51:33.020 --> 51:36.900]  You got a bunch of different, you know, gourmet coffees, the polygraph, and, you know...
[51:37.280 --> 51:38.360]  All right, taking my phone call.
[51:38.380 --> 51:39.160]  Good evening, you're on the air.
[51:41.020 --> 51:41.680]  Hi, Emmanuel.
[51:41.900 --> 51:42.260]  How you doing?
[51:43.820 --> 51:45.240]  Actually, it's a Brainwash...
[51:45.620 --> 51:47.420]  It's a laundromat cafe, actually.
[51:47.660 --> 51:48.560]  What, you happen to know about this?
[51:48.620 --> 51:50.040]  Does everybody in the world know about this except me?
[51:50.220 --> 51:50.760]  A laundromat cafe?
[51:50.880 --> 51:52.020]  Wait, I heard about this.
[51:52.120 --> 51:52.780]  It's really scary.
[51:52.900 --> 51:54.940]  How can you put a laundromat and a cafe together?
[51:55.140 --> 51:57.700]  Well, that's the wash part, if it's a laundromat.
[51:57.820 --> 51:58.360]  I've read about...
[51:58.360 --> 52:00.160]  This was in something...
[52:00.160 --> 52:01.240]  some publication, right?
[52:02.180 --> 52:03.840]  It's starting to sound familiar to me, too.
[52:03.940 --> 52:05.600]  I'm getting a strange feeling of deja vu.
[52:06.320 --> 52:10.440]  A laundromat mixed with a cafe, it was like, you know, no one ever had that idea before.
[52:10.620 --> 52:11.600]  Well, it's San Francisco.
[52:12.020 --> 52:13.220]  Yeah, there was that, too.
[52:13.360 --> 52:19.720]  And also, the best practices for receiving electronic evidence, you can find it on the Secret Service website.
[52:19.820 --> 52:20.220]  Yeah, it's online.
[52:20.600 --> 52:20.760]  Yeah.
[52:20.980 --> 52:22.100]  This exact book is online?
[52:22.280 --> 52:22.680]  Exactly, yeah.
[52:22.680 --> 52:23.440]  I was telling you that.
[52:23.640 --> 52:23.960]  All right.
[52:24.040 --> 52:24.700]  Before the show, anyway.
[52:24.760 --> 52:26.280]  Well, you know, that's one of the things.
[52:26.400 --> 52:27.000]  We have a few things.
[52:27.060 --> 52:29.160]  We're going to see if the other things are on that website, too.
[52:29.840 --> 52:30.720]  And if not, we'll do something.
[52:30.720 --> 52:31.640]  There's a photo gallery.
[52:32.000 --> 52:32.240]  Uh-huh.
[52:33.520 --> 52:34.740]  Okay, we'll check into that.
[52:34.960 --> 52:35.880]  Thanks for the call.
[52:36.100 --> 52:36.340]  All right.
[52:37.140 --> 52:38.220]  22-209-2900.
[52:38.260 --> 52:39.580]  That little booklet isn't like a secret.
[52:39.800 --> 52:41.120]  Yeah, but it's not laminated on the website.
[52:41.320 --> 52:42.380]  Well, it's not laminated on the website.
[52:42.460 --> 52:45.860]  The idea is that local law enforcement can download it and use it.
[52:46.740 --> 52:47.100]  Yeah, right.
[52:47.180 --> 52:48.240]  They can't turn a computer off.
[52:48.340 --> 52:49.560]  You expect them to download it and use it?
[52:50.200 --> 52:50.800]  Come on.
[52:50.920 --> 52:51.240]  Good evening.
[52:51.420 --> 52:52.040]  You're on the air.
[52:52.700 --> 52:53.260]  Oh, good evening.
[52:53.420 --> 52:54.340]  Let me turn my radio down.
[52:54.500 --> 52:54.780]  Okay.
[52:54.780 --> 52:57.200]  While you guys were talking about it, I went to the website and it's up.
[52:58.140 --> 52:59.480]  Brainwash Cafe Laundromat.
[52:59.860 --> 53:00.280]  Oh, boy.
[53:00.980 --> 53:01.400]  Well, that's a lot.
[53:01.400 --> 53:02.840]  Three boxes of fun.
[53:03.080 --> 53:03.460]  Uh-huh.
[53:03.600 --> 53:04.640]  I don't know what that means.
[53:04.980 --> 53:05.220]  All right.
[53:05.260 --> 53:07.300]  We should not be giving them any more free advertising.
[53:07.500 --> 53:12.280]  Well, I don't know if this is necessarily advertising because we're basically, you know, summoning up all kinds of emotions here.
[53:12.520 --> 53:13.360]  It's kind of silly.
[53:13.680 --> 53:13.900]  Uh-huh.
[53:13.900 --> 53:16.740]  Are they only in California or might they be opening up a branch here?
[53:16.940 --> 53:18.420]  It's at Folsom Street in San Francisco.
[53:18.700 --> 53:18.900]  Uh-huh.
[53:19.620 --> 53:19.880]  Yeah.
[53:20.280 --> 53:24.600]  Well, I think some other brainwashed person needs to go over there and then get that name back.
[53:25.020 --> 53:25.260]  Yeah.
[53:25.600 --> 53:28.420]  Well, you stand out front with a bunch of little aluminum foil beanies.
[53:28.600 --> 53:28.980]  Yeah.
[53:29.100 --> 53:32.160]  I don't know why someone wants to go to a cafe laundromat.
[53:34.780 --> 53:35.460]  Okay, guys.
[53:35.700 --> 53:35.940]  All right.
[53:36.120 --> 53:36.580]  Thanks for calling.
[53:36.780 --> 53:41.480]  You know, speaking of weird cafes, Mike, you and I went to this place last week.
[53:41.740 --> 53:43.040]  Scared the hell out of me.
[53:43.040 --> 53:46.280]  In the middle of Times Square is this new...
[53:46.280 --> 53:47.720]  I don't know if you can call it an internet cafe.
[53:48.040 --> 53:48.820]  They have...
[53:48.820 --> 53:49.420]  You'd love it, Isaac.
[53:49.700 --> 53:50.360]  They have something like...
[53:50.360 --> 53:50.920]  Why would I love it?
[53:51.040 --> 53:51.440]  I don't know.
[53:51.480 --> 53:54.240]  You'd love this corporate cloning type of thing that's going on out there.
[53:54.320 --> 53:54.920]  Oh, yeah.
[53:55.080 --> 54:01.200]  They have 900 terminals like at little booths all looking the same and they're crowded, too.
[54:01.340 --> 54:03.680]  At one in the morning, they were packed with people.
[54:03.920 --> 54:04.700]  Maybe I would like that.
[54:05.180 --> 54:07.580]  They got little walls and cubbies like the library.
[54:07.860 --> 54:07.980]  Yeah.
[54:08.080 --> 54:09.460]  You can see what everyone's doing.
[54:13.040 --> 54:18.220]  They have two floors and look down with your binoculars and nobody bothers you and see what people are...
[54:18.220 --> 54:19.500]  And, you know, people are just cruising the web.
[54:19.660 --> 54:21.760]  Well, people are going to be stupid enough to do their banking from something like that.
[54:21.760 --> 54:22.420]  Here's the thing.
[54:22.640 --> 54:23.940]  You know how much it costs?
[54:24.860 --> 54:27.200]  It costs a dollar for three hours.
[54:28.040 --> 54:28.440]  Cool.
[54:28.780 --> 54:30.660]  Well, it's going to go up once they hook you.
[54:30.660 --> 54:32.040]  I imagine it's going to go up quite...
[54:32.040 --> 54:33.560]  I mean, think about the bandwidth.
[54:33.960 --> 54:37.300]  First of all, the most expensive real estate you could possibly imagine in the middle of Times Square.
[54:38.200 --> 54:39.440]  900 terminals, right?
[54:39.580 --> 54:40.760]  Well, they're operating at a loss.
[54:40.840 --> 54:42.100]  I think they might be, yeah.
[54:42.480 --> 54:45.760]  Because I don't think those cookies and coffee they sell on the front are really covering all that.
[54:45.820 --> 54:47.380]  Their revenue stream is...
[54:47.860 --> 54:49.780]  Everything in there is branded with nets.
[54:50.000 --> 54:50.560]  Right, of course.
[54:51.040 --> 54:51.740]  More than that, yeah.
[54:51.980 --> 54:53.000]  I mean, I don't know.
[54:53.360 --> 54:56.940]  I haven't seen their books, but that's got to be their primary source of income.
[54:56.940 --> 55:02.140]  Well, the point is, it's anybody running an internet cafe has no chance against this kind of a thing.
[55:02.440 --> 55:05.100]  I mean, they're being bankrolled by the Pope or something.
[55:05.200 --> 55:05.560]  I don't know.
[55:05.920 --> 55:06.780]  Someone's behind this.
[55:06.900 --> 55:07.720]  It's got a lot of money.
[55:09.440 --> 55:10.160]  And it's...
[55:10.160 --> 55:12.300]  I mean, it's fun to go in and play.
[55:12.400 --> 55:15.220]  I mean, we crashed the machine in about 30 seconds, but it wasn't intentional.
[55:15.440 --> 55:16.460]  It never was intentional.
[55:17.180 --> 55:17.900]  No, you press...
[55:17.900 --> 55:18.980]  It's just what happens around you.
[55:19.300 --> 55:20.180]  I've come to learn that.
[55:20.280 --> 55:21.260]  And they just crash.
[55:21.380 --> 55:23.060]  And if it's a Mac, it takes five seconds.
[55:23.740 --> 55:24.660]  But that's, you know...
[55:24.660 --> 55:26.360]  And I'm not speaking out against any type of computer.
[55:26.460 --> 55:27.920]  I'm just saying that's what happens, all right?
[55:28.160 --> 55:29.980]  When they're up, yeah, I can have lots of fun with them.
[55:30.100 --> 55:30.240]  Okay.
[55:30.720 --> 55:31.600]  Get them to crash really fast.
[55:31.740 --> 55:33.900]  Anyway, so these things are popping up all over the world.
[55:34.060 --> 55:36.020]  You know, the funny thing is, do you remember the name of them?
[55:36.100 --> 55:36.900]  I don't remember their name.
[55:37.140 --> 55:38.360]  I can tell you their name.
[55:38.500 --> 55:39.000]  Oh, you remember them?
[55:39.060 --> 55:40.580]  Yeah, it's Easy Everything.
[55:40.680 --> 55:41.400]  Easy Everything, okay.
[55:41.660 --> 55:42.000]  You see...
[55:42.000 --> 55:42.600]  They're in Times Square?
[55:43.040 --> 55:44.260]  Advertising is lost on me.
[55:44.320 --> 55:48.580]  I can watch a commercial 50 times, and I can remember the commercial, but I don't know what they're selling.
[55:48.820 --> 55:51.100]  And I can go inside a place and not know what the name is.
[55:51.640 --> 55:52.980]  You know, so...
[55:52.980 --> 55:56.200]  That's sort of a protection, you know, a sanity check for me.
[55:56.200 --> 55:58.120]  Yeah, they're in Times Square.
[55:58.780 --> 55:59.620]  I've got to check that out.
[55:59.780 --> 56:00.980]  Maybe we'll take you after the show.
[56:01.140 --> 56:01.360]  Okay.
[56:01.620 --> 56:01.780]  Yeah.
[56:02.500 --> 56:04.400]  Hey, you know, we could have a little meeting after the show.
[56:04.580 --> 56:06.720]  All our listeners can meet in Easy Everything.
[56:07.900 --> 56:09.140]  I'm not buying the cookies, though.
[56:09.280 --> 56:09.500]  Yeah.
[56:10.040 --> 56:11.300]  I don't think they'd like that either.
[56:12.820 --> 56:14.980]  No, that's just a little, like, offhanded threat there.
[56:15.080 --> 56:15.580]  We could do that.
[56:15.760 --> 56:17.180]  Because they're open 24 hours, too.
[56:17.700 --> 56:18.220]  That's not bad.
[56:18.520 --> 56:19.220]  24 hours a day.
[56:19.240 --> 56:22.540]  That would be one of the only things in Times Square that's open 24 hours anymore, then.
[56:23.920 --> 56:24.540]  Is that true?
[56:24.700 --> 56:24.920]  Things don't...
[56:24.920 --> 56:27.500]  You ever walk through there at 3 a.m.?
[56:27.500 --> 56:27.860]  Dead.
[56:28.200 --> 56:28.500]  Hmm.
[56:30.120 --> 56:30.700]  Oh, well.
[56:31.880 --> 56:33.000]  212-209-2900.
[56:33.080 --> 56:33.360]  Good evening.
[56:33.480 --> 56:34.080]  You're on the air.
[56:35.540 --> 56:36.220]  Yes, good evening.
[56:36.300 --> 56:38.080]  I have a question about cell phones.
[56:38.200 --> 56:44.340]  I was wondering why they, when you have cell phones, some of them echo and they sound very distant, but the echo.
[56:44.540 --> 56:45.940]  Is that a problem with all cell phones?
[56:46.060 --> 56:47.520]  You're using a Sprint phone, aren't you?
[56:47.860 --> 56:49.180]  I'm not on a cell phone now.
[56:49.300 --> 56:51.640]  No, but when this happens, you're using Sprint, aren't you?
[56:51.640 --> 56:51.760]  No.
[56:51.960 --> 56:52.320]  You're not?
[56:52.340 --> 56:55.160]  It's a Mitsubishi G310 voice stream.
[56:55.840 --> 56:56.540]  Voice stream.
[56:56.680 --> 56:56.860]  Okay.
[56:57.680 --> 56:59.480]  I hadn't heard of that on voice stream.
[56:59.600 --> 57:01.900]  I hear it all the time on Sprint, but basically...
[57:01.900 --> 57:02.200]  Sprint.
[57:02.540 --> 57:02.980]  It's...
[57:02.980 --> 57:05.140]  I don't know the technical reason for it.
[57:05.300 --> 57:05.600]  Echo.
[57:06.200 --> 57:07.820]  Yeah, I mean, the echo is...
[57:07.820 --> 57:11.660]  It's bouncing off the transmitter, which...
[57:11.660 --> 57:14.740]  Yeah, because people say I sound like I'm echoing or something to the echo.
[57:14.980 --> 57:16.920]  Well, usually you hear the echo.
[57:17.020 --> 57:20.920]  The person you're talking to doesn't, but sometimes the person you're talking to gets what's known as robot voice.
[57:21.120 --> 57:21.500]  That's what...
[57:21.500 --> 57:23.240]  Yeah, and that's very annoying.
[57:23.360 --> 57:25.600]  And you don't know you sound like a robot when you're talking to them.
[57:25.660 --> 57:26.600]  It could be any number of things.
[57:26.740 --> 57:28.020]  It's probably a compression artifact.
[57:28.600 --> 57:28.920]  Yeah.
[57:29.160 --> 57:30.120]  I honestly don't know.
[57:30.260 --> 57:30.940]  It's really...
[57:30.940 --> 57:34.660]  So my question to you is, is there any perfect cell phone as far as that goes or it's...
[57:34.660 --> 57:35.640]  You can't...
[57:36.080 --> 57:37.200]  I haven't found any.
[57:37.340 --> 57:41.560]  I mean, I know that you're asking for trouble if you buy a Samsung phone.
[57:42.000 --> 57:44.220]  I know that much because I bought two of them.
[57:45.840 --> 57:47.960]  But the phone is only as good as the service.
[57:48.260 --> 57:52.380]  And no matter what kind of phone you use on the Sprint network, you're still going to have the limitations of the Sprint network.
[57:52.640 --> 57:58.480]  Which is why I encourage everyone to just drop cell phones, get their amateur radio licenses, and head out there and get on the handvans.
[57:58.500 --> 58:01.960]  with that, Isaac, is that you're not allowed to talk about a lot of things on amateur radio.
[58:02.040 --> 58:02.840]  They control the speech.
[58:02.960 --> 58:03.780]  Well, you don't talk business.
[58:03.920 --> 58:04.060]  Yeah.
[58:04.220 --> 58:04.960]  Well, okay, great.
[58:05.040 --> 58:05.860]  You can't talk business.
[58:06.200 --> 58:08.480]  You can't use bad words.
[58:08.860 --> 58:11.560]  You know, that profanity thing comes back to haunt you yet again.
[58:12.020 --> 58:12.340]  You know?
[58:12.500 --> 58:16.480]  So there's all kinds of, like, you know, restrictions, and it's not exactly free speech.
[58:16.820 --> 58:17.740]  That's the thing.
[58:18.420 --> 58:19.320]  And, yeah, you know...
[58:19.320 --> 58:20.240]  Well, I think people should do it anyway.
[58:20.360 --> 58:21.420]  I think there's too much education.
[58:21.620 --> 58:23.000]  There's too many cell phones around, obviously.
[58:23.180 --> 58:23.740]  You know, they just...
[58:23.740 --> 58:31.860]  They ban cell phones in cars out by Suffolk County, and they want to do it in Nassau, they want to do it in Manhattan, they want to do it in Rockland.
[58:32.200 --> 58:33.260]  I can't drive East anymore.
[58:33.520 --> 58:34.680]  How do they possibly...
[58:34.680 --> 58:36.120]  How can they possibly enforce this?
[58:36.680 --> 58:37.020]  You know?
[58:37.140 --> 58:40.340]  If I've got a brick up against my head, is that illegal now?
[58:40.480 --> 58:41.220]  Can I not do...
[58:41.220 --> 58:42.700]  I mean, how are they going to know I'm on the phone?
[58:43.160 --> 58:45.240]  Can I hold my phone to my ear and not make a phone call?
[58:45.240 --> 58:53.180]  Well, that was like somebody I know who was driving through Pennsylvania had their cell phone clipped up to their visor.
[58:53.960 --> 58:56.420]  Cop pulled them over, thought it was a radar detector.
[58:57.660 --> 58:59.080]  No, no, it's my phone, really.
[58:59.320 --> 59:00.380]  It takes it out, calls someone.
[59:00.560 --> 59:00.900]  Good evening.
[59:01.000 --> 59:01.400]  You're on the air.
[59:01.460 --> 59:01.840]  Last call.
[59:02.280 --> 59:02.500]  Hello.
[59:02.980 --> 59:03.340]  Go ahead.
[59:03.840 --> 59:04.880]  Oh, a couple things.
[59:05.760 --> 59:07.240]  My friend has a cell phone.
[59:07.680 --> 59:13.020]  It's a Nokia 8160, I think, and that is the best cell phone.
[59:13.220 --> 59:13.640]  Okay.
[59:13.900 --> 59:15.720]  He was getting reception in the subway.
[59:17.240 --> 59:17.580]  So...
[59:17.580 --> 59:21.040]  Well, that depends on what servers were they using.
[59:21.360 --> 59:21.860]  AT&T.
[59:22.040 --> 59:22.780]  AT&T.
[59:22.900 --> 59:24.600]  Well, maybe AT&T has transmitters in the subway.
[59:25.780 --> 59:31.080]  Oh, and I got a ticket for using a cell phone and you know how they catch you?
[59:31.220 --> 59:31.940]  Bike officers.
[59:32.820 --> 59:33.180]  Yeah.
[59:33.600 --> 59:38.760]  They pull up alongside of you and they look in and they'll check everything.
[59:39.040 --> 59:39.240]  Really?
[59:39.940 --> 59:47.560]  Well, I've developed a method of driving with my phone on, you know, without, you know, it looking like it's on, you know.
[59:48.620 --> 59:50.020]  You're getting real slick now out there.
[59:50.020 --> 59:52.720]  How can they prove you on the phone if you say you weren't on the phone?
[59:52.760 --> 59:56.940]  They say the only thing that you're allowed to do is call the police on the phone while you're driving.
[59:57.140 --> 59:57.800]  Why don't you...
[59:57.800 --> 01:00:02.060]  That just means any time I pull over I'm going to have to call the cops, you know, and hang up immediately and then say, pull me over.
[01:00:02.160 --> 01:00:03.040]  Look, I just called the cops.
[01:00:03.200 --> 01:00:03.920]  See, that's what I was doing.
[01:00:04.020 --> 01:00:06.860]  I was reporting, I don't know, I was reporting a UFO or something.
[01:00:06.880 --> 01:00:12.300]  And if you want to keep going at it, they can get the bill from the company and say, oh, you did make a call at this time.
[01:00:12.360 --> 01:00:13.860]  Yeah, well, they're going to have to go to a lot of trouble.
[01:00:14.060 --> 01:00:15.180]  Yeah, well...
[01:00:15.180 --> 01:00:16.540]  Well, that's our show for this week.
[01:00:16.540 --> 01:00:21.820]  We'll be back again next week, hopefully, with all kinds of interesting beeps and tones and things like that.
[01:00:22.960 --> 01:00:23.780]  Thanks, everybody, for listening.
[01:00:24.680 --> 01:00:25.260]  We'll see you then.
[01:00:25.360 --> 01:00:25.540]  Good night.
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