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[00:33.550 --> 00:37.950]  And yes, as Tom says, it is WBAI in New York.
[00:38.170 --> 00:38.790]  It's 8 o'clock.
[00:39.510 --> 00:41.390]  Actually, it's 30 seconds to 8 o'clock.
[00:42.150 --> 00:46.370]  And we have to kill time for 30 seconds to make it legal.
[00:46.690 --> 00:48.310]  It's better than trying to cut Mike off.
[00:48.430 --> 00:54.010]  Well, all the network affiliates are joining us on the hour, and we don't want them to cut in mid-stream.
[00:54.210 --> 00:55.570]  Well, we can fill the next 20 seconds.
[00:55.590 --> 00:58.150]  Yeah, if we had commercials, we'd be able to fill it with that.
[00:58.350 --> 01:00.830]  People would be pushing over each other to get commercials in.
[01:00.930 --> 01:02.270]  Yeah, well, 10 seconds to go.
[01:02.270 --> 01:04.030]  Well, we don't, and we're coming up on a pledge drive.
[01:04.210 --> 01:04.870]  How are you doing, Isaac?
[01:05.150 --> 01:05.650]  I'm all right.
[01:05.710 --> 01:05.910]  You still?
[01:05.930 --> 01:06.890]  Let's get that out of the way now.
[01:07.010 --> 01:07.370]  I'm fine.
[01:07.550 --> 01:07.990]  Everyone's cool.
[01:08.330 --> 01:08.550]  All right.
[01:09.130 --> 01:09.890]  Time for Off the Hook.
[01:17.920 --> 01:40.080]  The telephone keeps ringing So I ripped it off the wall I cut myself while shaving Now I can't make a cough It couldn't get much worse But if they could, they would Bum-diddly-bom for the best, expect the worst I hope that's understood Bum-diddly-bom!
[03:56.540 --> 03:57.880]  And a very good evening to everybody.
[03:57.880 --> 03:59.140]  The program is Off the Hook.
[03:59.420 --> 04:00.500]  Emmanuel Goldstein here with you.
[04:01.220 --> 04:02.060]  Isaac over there.
[04:02.240 --> 04:03.720]  Made the schlep back across the board.
[04:03.860 --> 04:05.320]  Yeah, you're over on the other side of the room now.
[04:05.880 --> 04:09.340]  Well, for those people who are confused, the expert waiting in the show is not going enough...
[04:09.340 --> 04:11.200]  Well, they are going another hour, but they're doing it on tape.
[04:11.220 --> 04:12.560]  In a different studio on tape.
[04:12.700 --> 04:12.860]  On tape, yeah.
[04:13.040 --> 04:16.940]  So it really doesn't mean anything to people out there until they hear it live.
[04:17.360 --> 04:18.240]  But it'll be on tape.
[04:18.240 --> 04:19.060]  You just won't know it.
[04:20.820 --> 04:23.360]  So, as we've already covered, everyone's fine.
[04:23.740 --> 04:25.080]  Everyone's week was uneventful.
[04:25.340 --> 04:25.500]  Yeah.
[04:26.000 --> 04:28.700]  Except my week is becoming more eventful as it goes by.
[04:30.060 --> 04:32.240]  As you know, the hearing is on Friday.
[04:32.400 --> 04:32.820]  Yes, it is.
[04:33.080 --> 04:34.560]  And this is for the Ford.
[04:34.820 --> 04:35.620]  The Ford case.
[04:35.840 --> 04:37.900]  We'll get more into that in just a little bit.
[04:38.200 --> 04:41.640]  We had quite a scare over the weekend on Friday.
[04:42.460 --> 04:44.160]  Yeah, that was something.
[04:46.320 --> 04:47.040]  Woke up.
[04:47.340 --> 04:48.140]  Fell out of bed.
[04:48.240 --> 04:49.860]  And did a who is on our site.
[04:49.960 --> 04:51.580]  And found out that it was owned by somebody else.
[04:52.260 --> 04:53.960]  Yeah, that was kind of interesting.
[04:54.280 --> 04:54.320]  Yeah.
[04:54.960 --> 04:57.220]  Somebody else grabbed 2600.com.
[04:57.500 --> 04:58.860]  I thought you were going into hiding.
[04:59.060 --> 05:01.100]  And you accidentally took that along with you.
[05:01.220 --> 05:02.920]  Well, that certainly would have been the way to do it.
[05:03.020 --> 05:04.980]  But no, that's not quite what happened.
[05:05.900 --> 05:07.120]  What happened was this.
[05:07.480 --> 05:10.320]  It took a full day to figure it all out.
[05:10.400 --> 05:13.780]  But finally, we found somebody competent at NSI, Network Solutions, Inc.
[05:13.980 --> 05:14.620]  Is that possible?
[05:14.620 --> 05:15.200]  No, there are.
[05:15.880 --> 05:18.760]  You just have to keep plotting along until you get there.
[05:18.860 --> 05:20.440]  But there are people that know what's going on.
[05:20.520 --> 05:22.300]  And they're a joy to talk to.
[05:22.400 --> 05:22.740]  Let me tell you.
[05:22.740 --> 05:23.000]  Oh, yeah.
[05:23.000 --> 05:26.040]  After talking to all the people that don't know what's going on, it's a real joy to talk to somebody who does.
[05:27.320 --> 05:31.240]  And apparently, well, what had happened was, and people should be aware of this.
[05:31.280 --> 05:33.280]  Anyone who owns a network domain, this could happen to you.
[05:33.580 --> 05:35.440]  Somebody hijacked our domain last year.
[05:35.440 --> 05:37.760]  They did a forged mail thing.
[05:37.860 --> 05:42.160]  And because there was virtually no security whatsoever at NSI, they got away with it.
[05:42.240 --> 05:46.780]  They were able to say, yeah, I'd like to transfer 2600.com over to register.com.
[05:47.240 --> 05:48.000]  And they did it.
[05:48.140 --> 05:51.140]  All of a sudden, it was transferred to another registrar.
[05:51.580 --> 05:54.260]  And of course, you know, we all went crazy running around, screaming and shouting.
[05:54.920 --> 06:00.640]  But we were able to get it back in no small part due to the people at register.com who were very nice.
[06:00.640 --> 06:02.860]  In fact, they even emailed us personally.
[06:03.500 --> 06:07.980]  You know, when you get an actual human being emailing you from a registrar, that's kind of a cool thing.
[06:08.060 --> 06:09.240]  You don't get that very often.
[06:10.000 --> 06:15.580]  So they were very concerned, and they, you know, they pointed it back to NSI, where it belonged.
[06:15.980 --> 06:18.680]  But something was wrong from that point on.
[06:18.760 --> 06:20.600]  It just didn't act the same way.
[06:20.680 --> 06:26.300]  When you did a who is on it, it looked like it wasn't an NSI domain, but it was.
[06:26.800 --> 06:30.160]  When we tried to pay the bill, it said we didn't exist.
[06:30.160 --> 06:31.260]  Even though we did.
[06:31.520 --> 06:32.880]  You fell into limbo.
[06:33.040 --> 06:35.200]  We fell into weird limbo.
[06:35.660 --> 06:40.520]  Because as the NSI person finally explained it to me, we were kind of half there and half not there.
[06:40.620 --> 06:45.340]  We were on the registry, but we weren't in the cosmetic database, whatever that means.
[06:45.480 --> 06:48.660]  Basically, it means that we existed, but we didn't exist in the billing computer.
[06:49.000 --> 06:51.600]  So our domain expired in February.
[06:51.760 --> 06:54.480]  Three months after that happened, it was released.
[06:54.500 --> 06:58.620]  And some mechanical program someplace apparently just grabbed it up instantly.
[06:59.420 --> 07:03.800]  So these people at NSI, fortunately, understood what was going on.
[07:03.880 --> 07:07.600]  And they made a determination that the site belonged to us, which was the right...
[07:07.600 --> 07:09.440]  Well, that's a good determination to have reached.
[07:09.460 --> 07:09.660]  It's the right determination.
[07:09.980 --> 07:12.520]  And I'm glad they were able to do that in this particular case.
[07:12.520 --> 07:13.540]  So we got the site back.
[07:13.580 --> 07:15.960]  And as of today, as of today, it's looking correct.
[07:16.500 --> 07:17.940]  The last couple of days looked kind of weird.
[07:17.960 --> 07:19.920]  It was giving you the strange error message again.
[07:20.980 --> 07:22.440]  But it's back in our hands.
[07:22.700 --> 07:29.060]  But, you know, I got to tell you, that's real panic when you realize the power somebody could have if they grab your domain.
[07:29.360 --> 07:33.960]  They would be able to get all of your mail, all the mail belonging to everybody on your system.
[07:34.080 --> 07:34.260]  Sure.
[07:34.400 --> 07:35.680]  They would be able to run your website.
[07:35.680 --> 07:37.600]  They'd be able to run your FTP site.
[07:37.680 --> 07:39.640]  They'd be able to do all kinds of things in your name.
[07:39.840 --> 07:43.780]  I mean, how would we get the newest lawsuits if we couldn't get email?
[07:44.100 --> 07:44.620]  You know?
[07:44.860 --> 07:46.080]  They'd go to the wrong people.
[07:46.080 --> 07:48.020]  and then we'd be held accountable somehow.
[07:49.220 --> 07:51.320]  So fortunately, that didn't happen.
[07:51.540 --> 07:53.560]  But it came really close and it was very frightening.
[07:54.280 --> 07:55.780]  There's something else to be worried about.
[07:55.900 --> 07:57.280]  You know, as if we didn't have enough going on.
[07:57.820 --> 07:57.900]  Yeah.
[07:58.580 --> 08:00.360]  You see my pack of CDs here?
[08:00.500 --> 08:03.040]  That is an enormous book of CDs.
[08:03.320 --> 08:03.580]  Isn't this amazing?
[08:03.580 --> 08:09.420]  If you folks could see this, it's got like 50 pages with eight per page on either side.
[08:10.060 --> 08:11.180]  We could start on...
[08:11.180 --> 08:12.540]  I'm going to drop it so you can hear how heavy it is.
[08:13.280 --> 08:13.680]  Oops.
[08:14.580 --> 08:15.960]  That one almost slid out there.
[08:15.960 --> 08:18.880]  So heavy it bounced and bent the entire board.
[08:18.900 --> 08:22.400]  We could start on disc one, track one and play the whole thing in maybe eight years?
[08:22.620 --> 08:24.600]  No, this is a radio station right here that I'm carrying.
[08:24.920 --> 08:28.900]  Any commercial radio station in New York City, this is more than the music they play.
[08:29.080 --> 08:30.040]  But they wouldn't play that music.
[08:30.100 --> 08:30.720]  Of course they wouldn't.
[08:30.760 --> 08:32.400]  They've only got one CD they keep on loop.
[08:32.580 --> 08:32.740]  Yeah.
[08:33.560 --> 08:35.040]  But yeah, I could pick any CD from them.
[08:35.040 --> 08:37.800]  And the reason I have this is because I'm preparing for a road trip, as you know.
[08:38.420 --> 08:43.220]  We're taking the caravan starting tomorrow morning up through upstate New York into Detroit.
[08:43.680 --> 08:44.460]  It's going to take two days.
[08:44.540 --> 08:45.660]  It's going to go through Canada as well.
[08:46.360 --> 08:47.220]  Your favorite place.
[08:47.740 --> 08:49.960]  You're going to go through Canada to get to Detroit?
[08:50.160 --> 08:50.800]  Yeah, look at a map.
[08:50.900 --> 08:51.340]  That's how it works.
[08:51.360 --> 08:52.040]  You go through Buffalo.
[08:52.320 --> 08:54.980]  You cut across Ontario and there you are in Detroit.
[08:55.380 --> 08:56.380]  Detroit's right on the border.
[08:56.820 --> 08:56.980]  You know?
[08:57.140 --> 08:58.840]  That's one of the cool things about Detroit.
[08:59.220 --> 09:00.460]  You go south from Detroit.
[09:00.700 --> 09:01.280]  Hang on, hang on.
[09:01.380 --> 09:02.120]  I have to find your mic.
[09:02.360 --> 09:02.600]  Go ahead.
[09:03.060 --> 09:07.160]  If you go south from Detroit, you hit Canada in an interesting geographic anomaly.
[09:07.960 --> 09:12.280]  Oh, it's in that weird little wedge above the boxing glove of Michigan?
[09:12.660 --> 09:14.140]  No, it's not in that area of Michigan.
[09:14.140 --> 09:15.300]  I know the area you're talking about.
[09:15.300 --> 09:17.020]  But no, it's to the east.
[09:17.140 --> 09:18.220]  The thumb of the boxing glove.
[09:18.320 --> 09:19.220]  The thumb of the boxing glove.
[09:19.360 --> 09:19.500]  Okay.
[09:20.180 --> 09:22.060]  But anyway, Very technical geography terms.
[09:22.160 --> 09:24.980]  I have enough music here to go around the world, I think.
[09:26.560 --> 09:30.600]  And you know, I can just change my mind at any time and put on something else.
[09:31.140 --> 09:33.060]  So I think that's what I'm going to do.
[09:33.980 --> 09:35.260]  Since I figure I'd have this...
[09:35.260 --> 09:36.180]  That doesn't have remote start.
[09:36.340 --> 09:37.160]  It doesn't have remote start?
[09:37.300 --> 09:37.440]  Nope.
[09:37.660 --> 09:37.880]  Okay.
[09:38.460 --> 09:39.220]  How about this?
[09:41.620 --> 09:42.020]  Yeah.
[09:45.520 --> 09:47.400]  From the soundtrack to freedom downtime.
[09:47.720 --> 09:49.160]  For some reason I'm coming out in echo.
[09:50.100 --> 09:51.040]  I think I know why.
[09:51.160 --> 09:52.040]  I think the, uh...
[09:52.040 --> 09:53.560]  This is also mapped to the cassette deck.
[09:53.960 --> 09:54.220]  Ah.
[09:57.120 --> 09:58.100]  Sounds good anyway.
[09:58.400 --> 10:00.340]  How do we unmap it from the cassette deck?
[10:00.720 --> 10:05.420]  Uh, you put a patch in the board in the bag.
[10:06.100 --> 10:06.540]  Maybe that...
[10:06.540 --> 10:07.460]  Nope, that didn't help.
[10:08.120 --> 10:08.860]  Yeah, I think it did.
[10:12.200 --> 10:13.540]  Well, in any event...
[10:13.540 --> 10:14.940]  Yeah, I still hear my voice.
[10:15.120 --> 10:15.420]  This is...
[10:15.420 --> 10:18.600]  This is too weird to, um...
[10:18.600 --> 10:21.500]  Uh, yeah, why don't you figure it out, Isaac, since you were on the board before this show?
[10:21.780 --> 10:22.000]  Okay.
[10:23.800 --> 10:25.580]  And we have, uh...
[10:27.020 --> 10:30.240]  We have another surprise for people that are interested in this.
[10:31.840 --> 10:32.500]  Isaac, turn around.
[10:32.500 --> 10:32.960]  Look at this.
[10:33.440 --> 10:33.600]  Huh?
[10:34.900 --> 10:36.980]  Ford really sucks dot com bumper stickers.
[10:37.300 --> 10:39.740]  You've got sucks in the Ford symbol there.
[10:40.280 --> 10:42.980]  Yeah, well, it's in the Ford symbol because, uh...
[10:42.980 --> 10:47.120]  I guess if we had put the Ford in the Ford symbol, we'd probably have gotten a suit or something.
[10:47.540 --> 10:50.420]  And, uh, since they're already suing us, we don't want to, uh...
[10:50.420 --> 10:52.080]  I'll just turn this down until you figure out how to fix it.
[10:52.300 --> 10:52.500]  Okay.
[10:52.660 --> 10:53.740]  I'll turn the other one back up.
[10:53.840 --> 10:54.220]  See, that's...
[10:54.220 --> 10:56.580]  When you have lots of CDs, you can just keep going from one tune to another.
[10:58.900 --> 10:59.260]  Um...
[10:59.260 --> 11:01.940]  Yeah, fordreallysucks dot com CDs, uh...
[11:01.940 --> 11:02.180]  CDs.
[11:02.780 --> 11:03.420]  Bumper stickers.
[11:03.720 --> 11:04.600]  We have the, uh...
[11:04.600 --> 11:05.620]  the internet site up.
[11:05.800 --> 11:06.680]  We have the website up.
[11:07.380 --> 11:07.820]  Um...
[11:07.820 --> 11:09.360]  And if you go there now, you'll...
[11:09.360 --> 11:13.100]  you'll be able to read the entire story of the Ford lawsuit and, uh...
[11:13.100 --> 11:16.720]  plans for the caravan that will start tomorrow morning and head up the thruway.
[11:17.100 --> 11:22.160]  If you're in a particular part of New York, such as, say, Poughkeepsie, Albany, Syracuse, uh...
[11:22.160 --> 11:26.120]  Buffalo, any of the towns that lie right on the, um...
[11:26.120 --> 11:27.900]  the thruway, uh...
[11:27.900 --> 11:31.640]  feel free to email us, caravan at 2600 dot com.
[11:32.660 --> 11:36.220]  And if you need help spelling the word caravan, okay, uh...
[11:36.220 --> 11:39.160]  C-A-R-A-V-A-N at 2600 dot com.
[11:39.680 --> 11:40.500]  And, uh...
[11:40.500 --> 11:42.200]  let us know if you're, um...
[11:42.200 --> 11:43.760]  on route and if you'd like to, uh...
[11:43.760 --> 11:46.720]  like us to stop with the 2600 van, the official 2600 van.
[11:46.900 --> 11:47.920]  Hopefully, we're making the trip.
[11:48.100 --> 11:48.840]  It's, uh...
[11:48.840 --> 11:49.540]  it's kind of, uh...
[11:49.540 --> 11:52.200]  the odds are 50-50 right now if it's going to make it the whole way.
[11:53.100 --> 11:53.700]  And, um...
[11:53.700 --> 11:55.220]  You're bringing a mechanic along in the back, right?
[11:55.340 --> 11:55.580]  Yeah.
[11:55.760 --> 11:55.900]  Yeah.
[11:55.960 --> 11:56.920]  We have one, uh...
[11:56.920 --> 11:57.540]  on retainer.
[11:58.860 --> 11:59.180]  And...
[11:59.180 --> 12:00.680]  if you want to join the caravan...
[12:00.680 --> 12:01.400]  I realize it's difficult.
[12:01.560 --> 12:02.140]  People have to work.
[12:02.260 --> 12:03.280]  People have to go to school.
[12:03.400 --> 12:04.640]  People have, you know, other excuses
[12:10.620 --> 12:11.220]  and, uh...
[12:11.220 --> 12:12.980]  hopefully, other people will join along the way.
[12:13.160 --> 12:14.840]  I know a lot of people will be meeting us in Detroit.
[12:15.120 --> 12:17.340]  We've gotten quite a bit of mail from people that want to be at the hearing.
[12:17.440 --> 12:18.660]  The hearing is open to the public.
[12:19.280 --> 12:19.640]  Uh...
[12:19.640 --> 12:20.540]  And I've got that information.
[12:22.120 --> 12:22.480]  Uh...
[12:22.940 --> 12:24.580]  Well, I'll have that information since I find it.
[12:25.160 --> 12:25.380]  Uh...
[12:25.380 --> 12:26.820]  But, um...
[12:26.820 --> 12:28.000]  people can, uh...
[12:28.000 --> 12:29.060]  can join us on the way.
[12:29.480 --> 12:32.860]  And if they email us, caravan at 2600.com, we'll, uh...
[12:32.860 --> 12:34.180]  we'll try and, uh...
[12:34.180 --> 12:34.880]  meet up with them.
[12:36.960 --> 12:38.060]  You're not gone, are you, Isaac?
[12:38.460 --> 12:38.820]  No.
[12:38.980 --> 12:40.520]  Unfortunately, I have things to do this week.
[12:40.620 --> 12:41.200]  Things to do.
[12:41.320 --> 12:41.880]  Otherwise, I would.
[12:42.380 --> 12:44.340]  I might be the mechanic in the back of the day.
[12:45.240 --> 12:46.600]  Yeah, we are going to need one, that's for sure.
[12:48.160 --> 12:48.480]  Um...
[12:49.180 --> 12:50.420]  I know I printed this out, too.
[12:50.480 --> 12:51.140]  That's the, uh...
[12:51.140 --> 12:51.980]  that's a scary thing.
[12:52.180 --> 12:54.240]  Well, that stack of papers is almost as big as the CD.
[12:54.460 --> 12:56.900]  Yeah, and I dropped them all right before the show, too, so that didn't help.
[12:57.000 --> 12:57.240]  All right.
[12:58.140 --> 12:58.460]  Um...
[12:58.460 --> 13:00.380]  Okay, well, I know the hearing is in Detroit.
[13:00.720 --> 13:01.820]  I know it's in, uh...
[13:01.820 --> 13:02.920]  it's in federal court.
[13:04.400 --> 13:06.680]  And I know that we're going to be there at exactly, uh...
[13:06.680 --> 13:07.180]  2 p.m.
[13:07.200 --> 13:07.720]  on Friday.
[13:08.280 --> 13:09.900]  We'll probably get there a little beforehand.
[13:09.980 --> 13:10.720]  so you can shower.
[13:10.960 --> 13:11.760]  Well, yeah, that's...
[13:11.760 --> 13:13.140]  you don't shower in the courtroom, but yeah.
[13:13.460 --> 13:15.760]  No, you probably want to shower after driving for two days.
[13:15.840 --> 13:17.560]  Oh, no, we're going to be in Detroit probably, uh...
[13:17.560 --> 13:18.060]  Thursday night.
[13:18.280 --> 13:18.420]  Oh, okay.
[13:18.540 --> 13:18.820]  That's good.
[13:18.980 --> 13:20.080]  Uh, we have to meet with the legal team.
[13:20.160 --> 13:22.540]  And I've got to tell you, the legal team is amazing on this case.
[13:22.940 --> 13:26.800]  I mean, we've had to pay for the legal team this time, but, uh...
[13:26.800 --> 13:29.220]  I think we're really getting our monies worked because they...
[13:29.220 --> 13:31.660]  they understand everything there is to understand about...
[13:31.660 --> 13:34.920]  about this case, about the implications for the entire Internet.
[13:35.080 --> 13:35.500]  And if...
[13:35.500 --> 13:39.040]  you know, if you think that this is not an important case, you need to, uh...
[13:39.040 --> 13:46.180]  to get to that site, FordReallySucks.com, and read some of the briefs that are being filed because this is something that, uh...
[13:46.180 --> 13:49.840]  that really does affect everybody on the net in the end.
[13:50.340 --> 13:55.200]  Uh, in case you don't know anything about this case, just very briefly, um, this...
[13:55.200 --> 14:01.120]  this stems from a site we registered almost two years ago that's got nothing to do with Ford whatsoever.
[14:01.960 --> 14:02.780]  It has to...
[14:02.780 --> 14:03.060]  by the way,
[14:06.680 --> 14:08.880]  bring the Freedom Downtime soundtrack back up, Theta Wave State.
[14:12.430 --> 14:13.510]  This is the, uh...
[14:13.510 --> 14:14.890]  the vocal part that's not in the film.
[14:16.050 --> 14:17.410]  So, let's put that in the background.
[14:19.370 --> 14:20.090]  And, uh...
[14:20.090 --> 14:22.470]  hopefully when the film comes out, we'll have the soundtrack available, too.
[14:23.710 --> 14:24.590]  How's that going?
[14:24.790 --> 14:25.930]  I mean, you get in touch with everyone?
[14:26.070 --> 14:28.390]  We have more legal people working on that aspect of it, yeah.
[14:28.770 --> 14:30.050]  You're just surrounded by legal people.
[14:30.050 --> 14:31.170]  Legal people everywhere you look.
[14:31.990 --> 14:32.350]  Uh...
[14:32.350 --> 14:33.710]  so, anyway, um...
[14:33.710 --> 14:35.490]  this all started with the, um...
[14:35.490 --> 14:39.690]  with a site having to do with General Motors that had a nasty four-letter word in front of it.
[14:39.830 --> 14:41.790]  We registered that site because, uh...
[14:41.790 --> 14:46.270]  two years ago it became possible to do so after NSI was, uh...
[14:46.270 --> 14:46.570]  um...
[14:46.570 --> 14:47.430]  given some...
[14:47.430 --> 14:49.270]  some competition, as it were, uh...
[14:49.270 --> 14:49.610]  for...
[14:49.610 --> 14:51.270]  for registering domain names.
[14:51.470 --> 14:56.910]  And their language restrictions no longer applied, so there was kind of a run on all kinds of four-letter word domains.
[14:57.490 --> 14:57.930]  Uh...
[14:57.930 --> 14:59.690]  we saw it as an exercise in free speech.
[15:00.290 --> 15:01.650]  We saw it as kind of a...
[15:01.650 --> 15:02.570]  a funny thing to do.
[15:03.430 --> 15:04.250]  And, um...
[15:04.250 --> 15:05.930]  we pointed it at various places.
[15:06.330 --> 15:11.210]  And to make a long story short, Ford was one of those places, and a couple of weeks ago they served us with papers.
[15:11.350 --> 15:13.270]  They didn't even ask us to point it someplace else.
[15:13.730 --> 15:15.810]  They served us with papers saying that, uh...
[15:15.810 --> 15:16.130]  we...
[15:16.570 --> 15:18.330]  we have, uh...
[15:19.330 --> 15:20.490]  incalculably damaged Ford.
[15:20.750 --> 15:22.210]  We've broken Ford completely.
[15:22.450 --> 15:22.570]  We've...
[15:22.570 --> 15:24.870]  we've destroyed the reputation by doing this.
[15:25.010 --> 15:29.690]  Because anyone who types in those letters, you have to wonder why they type in those letters to start with, uh...
[15:29.690 --> 15:31.130]  thinks that Ford is up to it.
[15:31.330 --> 15:31.990]  And, uh...
[15:31.990 --> 15:32.550]  you know, they...
[15:32.550 --> 15:33.590]  they staged the whole thing.
[15:33.710 --> 15:34.050]  And that's...
[15:34.050 --> 15:35.110]  that's, uh...
[15:35.110 --> 15:36.810]  it's really an absurd case.
[15:37.070 --> 15:42.330]  But the fact of the matter is when you're brought into court you have to defend yourself and that's unfortunately, uh...
[15:42.330 --> 15:43.170]  where we stand right now.
[15:43.250 --> 15:44.130]  Hopefully this will...
[15:44.630 --> 15:49.590]  this will reaffirm some things that need to be reaffirmed as, uh...
[15:49.590 --> 15:50.870]  you know, defending freedom of speech.
[15:51.750 --> 15:55.250]  You know, it's important to be able to use certain words.
[15:55.410 --> 15:57.390]  It's important to be able to, uh...
[15:57.390 --> 16:01.750]  you know, to express yourself freely and link to wherever you want to link to.
[16:02.170 --> 16:03.450]  You don't need permission to link.
[16:03.690 --> 16:05.090]  That's something that Ford seems to think.
[16:05.250 --> 16:10.870]  If you read the legal papers, they're all posted on our site, they actually say things like, um...
[16:10.870 --> 16:12.570]  defendants are not, uh...
[16:12.570 --> 16:15.790]  affiliated with Ford and therefore have no right whatsoever to link to Ford.
[16:16.110 --> 16:16.870]  To refer to Ford.
[16:17.070 --> 16:20.830]  Yeah, it's unbelievable the things that they assume they can get away with.
[16:21.590 --> 16:27.150]  And that we misrepresented ourselves by registering the General Motors site because we're not part of General Motors.
[16:27.230 --> 16:29.270]  I mean, I don't get where this logic comes from.
[16:29.430 --> 16:31.830]  It's corporate logic versus regular logic.
[16:33.510 --> 16:34.070]  Go ahead.
[16:34.250 --> 16:38.470]  That immediately brings to mind, I mean, how many times did you link to Ford from this site?
[16:38.670 --> 16:39.970]  Once, twice, twenty?
[16:40.590 --> 16:41.950]  Why aren't they suing Yahoo?
[16:42.130 --> 16:46.670]  I'm sure if you type in Ford at Yahoo, you get three hundred, five hundred, a thousand.
[16:47.450 --> 16:50.690]  It's, yeah, it's, the whole thing is silly and I think a lot of people realize that.
[16:50.750 --> 16:52.790]  I found the hearing information.
[16:55.810 --> 17:00.710]  It's at 231 West Lafayette Boulevard, room 707 U.S.
[17:00.990 --> 17:01.930]  District Court in Detroit.
[17:02.410 --> 17:03.830]  That's this Friday, 2 p.m.
[17:04.310 --> 17:04.770]  In Detroit.
[17:04.950 --> 17:05.570]  In Detroit, yes.
[17:05.690 --> 17:07.610]  So hopefully, hopefully we'll see a lot of people there.
[17:07.730 --> 17:09.090]  I know we are going to see a lot of people there.
[17:09.210 --> 17:17.050]  Hopefully we'll see quite a few people there along the way, too, because we certainly would like to, you know, go into hostile territory with friends.
[17:19.550 --> 17:20.630]  It's kind of scary, you know?
[17:21.270 --> 17:31.670]  Well, you know, these guys basically have whole teams of lawyers on retainer that sit in a room all day and throw darts at the wall and they find something and say, all right, you guys go at it, you know, go ahead.
[17:31.790 --> 17:32.910]  I'd sue you for any reason whatsoever.
[17:33.630 --> 17:34.010]  That's exactly.
[17:34.550 --> 17:37.730]  Okay, here's something, I'd like the listeners to be involved in this.
[17:37.730 --> 17:39.630]  We got this today by Facts.
[17:40.130 --> 17:41.830]  What I'd like to do is take a little vote.
[17:42.270 --> 17:43.430]  Our votes here don't count.
[17:43.550 --> 17:46.950]  I mean, we can have, you know, demonstration votes perhaps.
[17:47.970 --> 17:50.390]  I'll read it, Isaac, you don't have to keep looking at it, I'll read it.
[17:51.070 --> 17:51.330]  What?
[17:51.570 --> 17:52.270]  You want a sticker?
[17:52.810 --> 17:53.530]  Yeah, take a sticker.
[17:53.630 --> 17:53.910]  I'll take a sticker.
[17:53.930 --> 17:54.150]  All right.
[17:54.410 --> 17:54.950]  You want a sticker too?
[17:55.390 --> 17:55.750]  Fine.
[17:57.230 --> 17:57.730]  Thank you.
[17:57.870 --> 17:58.070]  Okay.
[17:59.370 --> 18:01.610]  Oh, and that's incentive for meeting the caravan.
[18:01.690 --> 18:02.610]  We will have lots of stickers.
[18:02.850 --> 18:04.190]  We'll have people along the way.
[18:04.870 --> 18:05.590]  FordReallySucks.com.
[18:05.650 --> 18:06.870]  It looks really nice, too.
[18:07.430 --> 18:07.690]  It's blue.
[18:07.950 --> 18:08.090]  Yeah.
[18:09.870 --> 18:14.690]  In addition to having kick-ass legal team, we have kick-ass bumper sticker people who really know how to turn things around quickly.
[18:15.310 --> 18:19.490]  Okay, we got this fax today from Universal Family and Home Entertainment.
[18:20.810 --> 18:22.130]  No, it's not bad news.
[18:22.270 --> 18:23.470]  They're not suing us again.
[18:24.130 --> 18:29.690]  They would like permission to use the magazine 2600 The Hacker Quarterly as described below.
[18:29.990 --> 18:30.850]  Now, everybody listen.
[18:31.070 --> 18:34.450]  No remarks, no funny noises, nothing like that.
[18:34.530 --> 18:35.110]  I want everyone to listen.
[18:35.290 --> 18:35.450]  All right.
[18:36.030 --> 18:39.050]  Universal Family and Home Entertainment and no funny expressions either.
[18:39.330 --> 18:39.530]  All right.
[18:40.290 --> 18:47.370]  Universal Family and Home Entertainment are currently in production on the video release film K9-3 Private Eye.
[18:47.690 --> 18:48.850]  Note they say video release.
[18:49.670 --> 18:55.670]  The famous team of Dooley and Jerry Lee return for a third installment of the hilarious K9 series.
[18:55.950 --> 19:05.630]  On their final night before retiring from the police department to run their own PI service, they respond to a robbery in progress and become involved in a terrorist attack on a research lab.
[19:06.010 --> 19:13.130]  The set designer would like to use the magazine as part of the background set dressing in scene that takes place in Sato's loft.
[19:13.590 --> 19:14.910]  I don't see who Sato is.
[19:15.230 --> 19:16.530]  I said not to speak.
[19:16.790 --> 19:17.270]  Sir?
[19:17.570 --> 19:22.630]  If this is acceptable with you, please sign the enclosed clearance authorization and fax at your earliest convenience.
[19:24.750 --> 19:26.950]  Let's see if there's anything else that's relevant.
[19:27.090 --> 19:27.670]  They actually...
[19:27.670 --> 19:30.410]  They photocopied a picture of our magazine.
[19:31.090 --> 19:32.330]  The latest issue.
[19:32.850 --> 19:34.070]  And the staff box, too.
[19:37.950 --> 19:40.690]  I don't know if we're going to put more detail here.
[19:42.170 --> 19:44.530]  Dooley's involvement brings out a host of interesting characters.
[19:44.770 --> 19:53.690]  Suspicious federal agents who are searching for a microchip, a mysterious woman who hires them for their first PI job, an industrial terrorist, and a crook named Frankie the Fence.
[19:54.330 --> 19:55.530]  Please enclose the...
[19:55.530 --> 20:01.730]  Please review the enclosed document detailing the item being requested for set dressing along with this document outlining details of the film.
[20:01.930 --> 20:05.750]  If this request is acceptable, please sign the enclosed agreement and return it as soon as possible.
[20:06.910 --> 20:12.150]  Now, the question I have for the listeners tonight is should we say yes or should we say no?
[20:12.230 --> 20:13.830]  I mean, keep in mind these people are suing us.
[20:14.410 --> 20:15.490]  They want to use...
[20:15.490 --> 20:16.310]  I think they're suing us, right?
[20:16.370 --> 20:17.270]  Universal Family Home...
[20:17.270 --> 20:18.690]  That's part of Universal Films, isn't it?
[20:18.810 --> 20:19.130]  Probably.
[20:19.230 --> 20:19.890]  I'm sure it is.
[20:19.910 --> 20:20.870]  They'd be sued if they weren't.
[20:21.770 --> 20:24.910]  And they want to use this for K-9-3, Private Eye.
[20:25.990 --> 20:27.010]  Sounds like a great script.
[20:27.110 --> 20:29.250]  Sounds like a funny scene there.
[20:29.830 --> 20:30.610]  But I don't know.
[20:30.670 --> 20:31.730]  Is it something that we want to do?
[20:31.870 --> 20:32.510]  What do you think, Isaac?
[20:33.070 --> 20:34.510]  I think you go for it, you know?
[20:34.590 --> 20:35.070]  You say yes?
[20:35.190 --> 20:35.650]  Why not?
[20:35.790 --> 20:39.370]  It's going to sit in the background of some movie and some people might see it.
[20:39.610 --> 20:40.350]  Jim, what do you think?
[20:40.490 --> 20:42.530]  They're going to go see Jimmy the Fence, but, you know...
[20:42.530 --> 20:42.950]  Frankie the Fence.
[20:42.990 --> 20:44.210]  Frankie the Fence, I'm sorry.
[20:45.710 --> 20:46.730]  Yes, Jimmy the Fence here.
[20:47.650 --> 20:50.930]  Hey, I'm all for it and so are my fellow mobsters.
[20:52.690 --> 20:57.430]  Okay, well, that's the vote out for the listeners tonight, so when we take some Are they still trying to cast for the dog?
[20:58.490 --> 20:59.210]  I'll let you know.
[20:59.370 --> 21:00.490]  I always wanted to be a star.
[21:02.050 --> 21:03.810]  All right, here's a couple of announcements.
[21:04.330 --> 21:06.250]  Well, first of all, an announcement concerning us.
[21:06.250 --> 21:09.770]  Next week, we're going to be on as a special fundraiser for three hours.
[21:10.150 --> 21:10.810]  Oh, another one of them?
[21:10.850 --> 21:11.210]  Yes.
[21:11.410 --> 21:11.890]  Oh, jeez.
[21:12.170 --> 21:12.450]  Yes.
[21:12.650 --> 21:13.570]  I'll bring the peanuts and popcorn.
[21:13.570 --> 21:15.330]  Seven o'clock until ten o'clock.
[21:15.530 --> 21:17.410]  You won't bring peanuts and popcorn into this studio.
[21:17.490 --> 21:18.830]  Well, no, we can't eat in the studio.
[21:18.970 --> 21:19.110]  No.
[21:19.810 --> 21:20.910]  What about the sunflower seeds?
[21:21.130 --> 21:22.430]  Just me, sunflower seeds.
[21:22.710 --> 21:22.830]  No?
[21:23.350 --> 21:25.450]  Do you know what happens when sunflower seeds fall into the board?
[21:25.550 --> 21:26.490]  Okay, I'm sorry.
[21:27.710 --> 21:39.310]  Anyway, so seven to ten o'clock, mark your calendars and get out your checkbooks too, because we need to keep the station going, we need to keep the show going, that's an important part of what we do here.
[21:40.550 --> 21:42.570]  A couple of interesting things with Verizon.
[21:42.750 --> 21:43.830]  Are you aware of this, Isaac?
[21:44.050 --> 21:45.990]  Did you read the little hello bulletin?
[21:46.290 --> 21:47.070]  Oh, in my bill?
[21:47.330 --> 21:47.470]  Yeah.
[21:47.630 --> 21:49.430]  Oh, I tried to make you...
[21:49.430 --> 21:51.210]  Introducing talking call waiting.
[21:51.690 --> 21:55.390]  Yeah, now we don't just alert you when you have another call, we tell you who it is.
[21:56.370 --> 21:59.730]  We've taken one of our most popular services, One Step Better.
[22:00.230 --> 22:01.910]  Is that even a valid phrase?
[22:02.110 --> 22:03.430]  We've taken it one step better?
[22:04.230 --> 22:05.210]  I don't know.
[22:05.370 --> 22:05.950]  I wouldn't say that.
[22:06.290 --> 22:08.910]  Now you can enjoy Verizon, talk, talking call waiting.
[22:09.110 --> 22:11.810]  Like call waiting, a tone lets you know when you have an incoming call.
[22:12.310 --> 22:13.630]  Talking call waiting does even more.
[22:13.770 --> 22:14.570]  It tells you who's calling.
[22:14.690 --> 22:16.790]  An automated voice announces the caller's name.
[22:17.090 --> 22:22.630]  So, for example, you would hear the tone followed by Mary Brown or Main Street Elementary School.
[22:22.850 --> 22:26.870]  So you decide whether or not want to take the second call, it's easy to use.
[22:27.050 --> 22:29.330]  And with talking call waiting, you have three choices.
[22:29.790 --> 22:30.210]  Take notes.
[22:30.710 --> 22:30.890]  Okay.
[22:31.030 --> 22:33.670]  You can end your first call and take the second call.
[22:34.450 --> 22:38.270]  You can put your first call on hold to answer the second call.
[22:39.430 --> 22:44.990]  Or, you can make a note of the second caller and continue with your current conversation.
[22:45.110 --> 22:46.390]  Those are three options that are permitted.
[22:46.570 --> 22:48.110]  Now, how do you actually select these options?
[22:48.110 --> 22:49.850]  On the keypad?
[22:49.970 --> 22:51.010]  You do it inside your head.
[22:51.250 --> 22:51.450]  Okay.
[22:51.590 --> 22:51.810]  Sorry.
[22:52.270 --> 22:56.470]  If you'd like to make a call without interruption, you can temporarily turn off talking call waiting.
[22:56.630 --> 22:57.770]  For five dollars, they'll tell you how.
[23:01.050 --> 23:07.050]  For talking call waiting, you can prioritize your calls without feeling rude and without worrying that you might be missing an important call.
[23:07.810 --> 23:10.610]  And you know who's calling even if you're not on the phone with the display unit.
[23:10.770 --> 23:13.070]  Talking call waiting works without any additional equipment.
[23:13.630 --> 23:17.350]  Well, this could have a lot of interesting implications for like wiretaps.
[23:17.350 --> 23:27.030]  If we're talking to Frankie the Fence, you know, Frankie's telling us, hey, you know that guy down at the docks, Mr. Beep, John Wilkes, is a real moron.
[23:27.270 --> 23:27.570]  Yeah.
[23:27.830 --> 23:28.090]  Yeah.
[23:30.070 --> 23:33.330]  And they go on about singing call waiting, too, but I'll get into that next week.
[23:33.510 --> 23:33.870]  Singing call waiting.
[23:33.870 --> 23:34.090]  Yeah.
[23:34.490 --> 23:36.870]  That's an interesting service that's really expensive.
[23:38.610 --> 23:39.010]  Okay.
[23:39.350 --> 23:43.970]  And actually, I caught up with all my phone bills, so I read all these newsletters at once.
[23:46.550 --> 23:51.830]  Verizon's new call intercept service that stops unwanted calls from getting through.
[23:52.130 --> 23:59.890]  If you're like most people, you've had it with calls from people trying to sell you vacation properly, the latest get-rich-quick scheme, or Verizon products that you'll never use.
[24:00.530 --> 24:03.010]  And that's why we created Verizon call intercept.
[24:03.290 --> 24:11.170]  Before your phone rings, call intercept prevents calls that would normally appear as anonymous, private, or out of area on your caller ID display box from reaching you.
[24:11.770 --> 24:16.470]  Call intercept asks the caller to record their name, then calls you and plays it back.
[24:16.610 --> 24:21.570]  So you can decide whether to take the call, reject the call, or if you have Verizon home voicemail, send it to your mailbox.
[24:22.330 --> 24:26.070]  If callers refuse to give their names, they're automatically disconnected.
[24:27.170 --> 24:29.550]  It's a small price to pay for fewer interruptions.
[24:29.650 --> 24:30.810]  It sounds like blackmail to me.
[24:30.870 --> 24:32.830]  It's the patriot missile of caller ID.
[24:33.650 --> 24:36.790]  I actually, I encountered that for the first time right before I read this.
[24:37.130 --> 24:40.510]  I wasn't sure if it was a phone company thing or something that someone attached to their phone line.
[24:40.650 --> 24:45.530]  Basically, you get the recording saying the person that you're calling doesn't take an anonymous phone call.
[24:45.610 --> 24:49.030]  But instead of telling you that I'll start a two, it says record your name.
[24:49.430 --> 24:57.350]  So you record the name and you hear a fake ring and then I guess if the person either doesn't answer or says no or whatever, you eventually wind up in voicemail.
[24:57.430 --> 24:57.810]  That's not fair.
[24:58.510 --> 25:00.850]  So yeah, it's kind of neat.
[25:02.410 --> 25:03.730]  Jim's here from the transit authority.
[25:04.090 --> 25:05.170]  They have to say for us.
[25:05.290 --> 25:07.130]  Any breaking news?
[25:07.990 --> 25:09.430]  Well, thanks for blowing my cover.
[25:11.810 --> 25:16.250]  Well, yeah, if you're outside of New York, you definitely wouldn't have seen this.
[25:16.350 --> 25:34.330]  And if you don't read the paper that used to plug itself as the most New York, the largest general circulation paper in the country after the Wall Street Journal and USA Today, the Daily News today had a little thing on Metro cards.
[25:35.230 --> 25:38.770]  It seems that you can't get away with murder the way you used to.
[25:39.670 --> 25:39.910]  Literally?
[25:40.250 --> 25:40.750]  Literally.
[25:41.090 --> 25:41.230]  Oh.
[25:41.570 --> 25:58.270]  Yeah, I know that puts a kibosh on many of your schemes, but it seems that a subway motorman, transit authority employee, decided to go kill his estranged girlfriend, which I'm sure has crossed people's minds or estranged boyfriend or whatever.
[25:58.870 --> 26:03.370]  But unfortunately, he decided to save money by using the employee pass.
[26:03.590 --> 26:03.790]  Really?
[26:04.090 --> 26:04.690]  Uh-huh.
[26:04.870 --> 26:05.050]  Yeah.
[26:05.110 --> 26:06.970]  How does the employee pass prove that he killed somebody?
[26:07.270 --> 26:09.630]  Ah, the employee pass is a Metro card.
[26:10.610 --> 26:17.470]  And he said he took a different bus and went to Atlantic City after getting off and going to the port authority or whatever.
[26:17.730 --> 26:17.950]  Mm-hmm.
[26:18.610 --> 26:30.630]  And fortunately, he took a transit authority bus towards his girlfriend's neighborhood, and 20 minutes after she was killed, he took the same bus out of his girlfriend's neighborhood.
[26:31.390 --> 26:35.290]  Now, it's not as specific on buses as it is on the subways.
[26:35.690 --> 26:38.610]  Subways will tell you not only when, but it'll tell you what station.
[26:38.770 --> 26:40.090]  Buses will just tell you what route.
[26:40.310 --> 26:41.670]  But that's the source station.
[26:41.830 --> 26:48.370]  I mean, if you're trying to get something, you can be anywhere in the system on the subway, whereas the bus does follow a particular route.
[26:48.610 --> 26:48.830]  Right.
[26:49.450 --> 26:58.970]  But on the other hand, if you kill your girlfriend and take the subway, you know, and you're 10 minutes later at the subway station closest to her home, I think that's...
[26:58.970 --> 26:59.390]  first.
[26:59.650 --> 27:01.890]  But the point is not that it proves.
[27:02.030 --> 27:03.850]  The point is that it demolishes your alibi.
[27:04.170 --> 27:04.570]  Well, yeah.
[27:04.790 --> 27:17.170]  Well, I can't understand anyone who intends to commit a crime using a tracking device, which the MetroCard is, which EG Pass is, all kinds of things like that, even walking in the street these days with cameras every place.
[27:17.390 --> 27:18.370]  Those are tracking devices.
[27:18.690 --> 27:19.450]  Or using your cell phone.
[27:19.450 --> 27:20.910]  I'm killing your sister.
[27:21.650 --> 27:29.030]  Well, they've had EG Pass incidents where the guy, he was pulled out of his, like, Mercedes or something.
[27:29.410 --> 27:30.390]  They killed him.
[27:30.450 --> 27:31.270]  They threw him in the back seat.
[27:31.330 --> 27:32.670]  They went over the GW bridge.
[27:32.850 --> 27:33.790]  They threw him in the river.
[27:33.910 --> 27:35.310]  They came back over the GW bridge.
[27:35.350 --> 27:36.110]  They used EG Pass.
[27:36.190 --> 27:37.430]  They used EG Pass all the time.
[27:37.450 --> 27:38.350]  And this guy's Mercedes.
[27:38.630 --> 27:41.930]  So they also have the photos of the license plate and everything.
[27:42.130 --> 27:47.650]  And then they went out to the BBT, down to Jersey or something, and they actually submitted the EG Pass records as evidence.
[27:48.850 --> 27:50.430]  It's hard to argue something like that.
[27:50.570 --> 27:57.130]  I mean, yeah, it's tracking, but let's come up with some examples of tracking used for evil purposes, not for purposes of good.
[27:57.330 --> 28:04.430]  You know, figuring out, I don't know, I guess we have to find those instances.
[28:04.910 --> 28:05.510]  I'm sure they'll happen.
[28:06.230 --> 28:08.850]  Let's think of a possible or likely one.
[28:08.930 --> 28:09.950]  I'm sure they'll happen to us.
[28:10.270 --> 28:12.510]  That was the example I was going to give.
[28:12.790 --> 28:16.990]  A group of hackers prohibited from meeting with each other for one reason or another.
[28:16.990 --> 28:17.350]  Yeah.
[28:17.510 --> 28:25.710]  All of a sudden, everybody has a MetroCard that was used at 730, 8 o'clock, 9 o'clock at 53rd and Wex.
[28:25.850 --> 28:25.950]  Yeah.
[28:26.050 --> 28:26.530]  On a Friday.
[28:27.030 --> 28:27.090]  Hmm.
[28:29.130 --> 28:31.830]  Well, it's not necessarily evil, but what about advertising?
[28:32.030 --> 28:39.710]  Say, for instance, you're driving down up the New York State Thruway, and you know, they put a little speaker in the EZ Pass.
[28:40.450 --> 28:42.190]  In some hypothetical future...
[28:42.190 --> 28:45.210]  The day they do that is the day EZ Pass goes sailing out my window.
[28:46.010 --> 28:48.250]  You know, I noticed you're near exit 6.
[28:48.470 --> 28:50.850]  Perhaps you'd like to get off and have a room at the Ramada Inn.
[28:50.850 --> 28:54.450]  Yeah, no, I could see that happening, and please don't give them ideas, because that's exactly what's going to happen.
[28:54.470 --> 28:54.890]  I'll take that back.
[28:55.070 --> 29:06.810]  No, they'll take something like XM, the new satellite radio thing, and, you know, it's not supposed to have commercials, but what they'll do is they'll figure out where you are and pipe a commercial over saying, you know, where something...
[29:06.810 --> 29:15.710]  It's kind of like if you take the Midtown Tunnel occasionally, they have announcements that go over all radio frequencies, AM and FM, saying the tunnel will be closed at this particular...
[29:15.710 --> 29:20.150]  Yeah, but come on, you keep hearing the same thing over and over again, and maybe it's not of interest to you.
[29:20.210 --> 29:26.470]  Maybe you're not going to be taking the tunnel that day to, you know, have your favorite song interrupted, or, you know, have your favorite radio program interrupted.
[29:27.050 --> 29:28.310]  Jim, I wanted to ask you one final question.
[29:28.410 --> 29:29.910]  What's up with the evil six trains?
[29:30.410 --> 29:31.030]  The evil six trains?
[29:31.030 --> 29:31.850]  You know what I'm talking about.
[29:31.850 --> 29:34.510]  The evil automatic six trains I see everywhere these days.
[29:34.690 --> 29:36.670]  These brightly lit Disney-looking things.
[29:36.870 --> 29:43.470]  You know, it's very interesting because last Friday, Isaac and I and a bunch of friends actually were upon one of those.
[29:43.570 --> 29:43.790]  Uh-huh.
[29:43.890 --> 29:45.570]  I was upon one of those coming down here.
[29:45.670 --> 29:45.910]  Oh.
[29:46.050 --> 29:47.150]  And they're all over the place now.
[29:47.150 --> 29:47.830]  What do you mean evil?
[29:48.090 --> 29:50.270]  They're evil because they don't have humans anymore.
[29:50.270 --> 29:51.970]  They don't have humans announcing the stations.
[29:52.350 --> 29:52.530]  Okay.
[29:52.730 --> 29:55.210]  They have these disembodied voices.
[29:55.490 --> 29:57.370]  I will say that, yes, that is a problem.
[29:57.530 --> 30:01.250]  The Transit Authority is trying to make the regular normal announcements.
[30:02.290 --> 30:02.650]  identical.
[30:03.050 --> 30:06.630]  At first, they were stressing that everyone should keep to a script.
[30:08.110 --> 30:11.490]  And now, they've got recordings on the trains.
[30:11.630 --> 30:12.170]  And in fact...
[30:12.170 --> 30:13.630]  I like the different trains.
[30:13.750 --> 30:14.810]  I like different sounds.
[30:14.870 --> 30:16.290]  I was on a jazz train the other night.
[30:16.450 --> 30:18.430]  You know, a guy was talking like he was doing a jazz show.
[30:18.590 --> 30:19.290]  It was really cool.
[30:19.490 --> 30:21.650]  Hey, the next station's 14 Union Square.
[30:21.730 --> 30:25.210]  There are other trains where you can't understand the word, but you know what the guy means.
[30:25.370 --> 30:26.650]  You know, it's part of New York.
[30:26.650 --> 30:32.490]  But hearing the same exact phrasing for every single stop, it just drove me crazy.
[30:32.590 --> 30:33.130]  I agree with you on that.
[30:33.130 --> 30:33.690]  I had to walk.
[30:33.870 --> 30:36.250]  I saw one of these new trains as a 2, by the way.
[30:36.410 --> 30:37.470]  No, they're on a 2-2?
[30:37.910 --> 30:39.570]  They're a 2 now as well.
[30:39.870 --> 30:41.710]  But I kind of like them.
[30:41.950 --> 30:44.170]  Because if you go to the ends of the cars, there's more glass.
[30:44.790 --> 30:48.530]  And you can actually see into the next car and it makes it seem a lot more open.
[30:48.530 --> 30:52.450]  But when one of those cars runs into something, as it will eventually, you'll see how good all that glass is.
[30:52.450 --> 30:57.510]  Well, let me interject that that glass is going to be good for advertising because there's a company.
[30:57.790 --> 31:05.550]  Do you remember Mass Transit Scope, the multimedia presentation when you left DeKalb Avenue going over the bridge?
[31:05.570 --> 31:10.030]  You would see little slits in the wall behind which was drawings.
[31:10.330 --> 31:12.110]  So as you moved, it looked like animation.
[31:12.330 --> 31:13.170]  The abandoned station.
[31:13.430 --> 31:14.830]  The graffiti on the abandoned station.
[31:15.070 --> 31:15.610]  Well, yeah.
[31:15.810 --> 31:16.930]  It heavily got graffitied.
[31:17.070 --> 31:17.430]  But anyway.
[31:17.650 --> 31:19.210]  No, it was a graffiti piece of art.
[31:19.310 --> 31:19.810]  It wasn't advertising.
[31:19.990 --> 31:21.110]  No, it was not a graffiti piece of art.
[31:21.110 --> 31:22.130]  When I saw it, it was graffiti.
[31:22.450 --> 31:23.130]  It's not an advertisement.
[31:23.470 --> 31:24.670]  It wasn't an advertisement.
[31:24.930 --> 31:26.570]  It was a piece of art, not graffitied.
[31:26.650 --> 31:27.730]  Then it became graffitied.
[31:27.790 --> 31:28.790]  They never really cleaned it up.
[31:29.010 --> 31:29.150]  Okay.
[31:29.830 --> 31:33.690]  There is a company made up of former New Yorkers who obviously had this idea.
[31:33.810 --> 31:34.550]  They saw this thing.
[31:34.710 --> 31:38.870]  And they are going to have that in advertising starting in Atlanta later this year.
[31:40.030 --> 31:44.690]  And something like 60 or 70 mass transit systems are interested in this.
[31:44.810 --> 31:48.550]  So between stations and the tunnel, you'll have little animated ads.
[31:48.550 --> 31:53.550]  What's the plan for these automatic trains?
[31:53.770 --> 31:54.790]  Are there going to be more of them?
[31:54.930 --> 31:56.330]  Are there going to kind of hue and cry about them?
[31:56.810 --> 32:00.050]  That's the new upcoming train, those sixes and twos.
[32:01.790 --> 32:03.870]  They're going to put those all through the IRT system?
[32:04.050 --> 32:04.230]  Yeah.
[32:04.550 --> 32:04.770]  Cool.
[32:05.490 --> 32:06.650]  I think it stinks.
[32:07.010 --> 32:07.610]  I like it.
[32:07.770 --> 32:08.650]  You know, it's...
[32:08.650 --> 32:10.850]  I don't care for the announcements, but I...
[32:10.850 --> 32:11.550]  They're clean.
[32:11.890 --> 32:12.550]  They're brighter.
[32:12.870 --> 32:13.910]  They're airier.
[32:13.910 --> 32:14.970]  Okay, clean and bright.
[32:15.110 --> 32:16.770]  I can deal with clean and air conditioning works.
[32:17.550 --> 32:17.870]  But...
[32:17.870 --> 32:18.410]  Wait a minute.
[32:18.590 --> 32:19.290]  I was on one today.
[32:19.350 --> 32:20.230]  The air conditioning didn't work.
[32:20.270 --> 32:20.650]  Well, maybe it was wrong.
[32:20.650 --> 32:22.090]  And the air conditioning works on other trains, too.
[32:22.190 --> 32:24.230]  So I don't think that's necessarily an attribute of that.
[32:24.230 --> 32:25.550]  When I ride like the...
[32:26.070 --> 32:26.530]  What is it?
[32:26.570 --> 32:26.890]  The N.
[32:27.570 --> 32:30.110]  Well, you can't go from one car to the other anymore, but...
[32:30.110 --> 32:31.170]  Well, that I don't like at all.
[32:31.190 --> 32:33.310]  When you could, you'd go from one...
[32:33.310 --> 32:36.270]  You'd notice the empty car, and you know there's something wrong.
[32:36.370 --> 32:42.510]  Either there's a very strange smell in it, or the air conditioning is out on a hot day, or the heat is out on a cold day.
[32:42.590 --> 32:44.070]  I just like the human touch.
[32:44.190 --> 32:45.110]  I've mentioned this before.
[32:45.370 --> 32:49.850]  You know, I like when there are people selling you tickets that's much quicker than using a machine.
[32:50.030 --> 32:55.450]  With the exception of the MetroCard thing, that does work very fast, but the LIRR is absolutely the pits.
[32:55.450 --> 32:56.470]  They're getting slower, too.
[32:56.610 --> 32:57.290]  Yeah, they're getting awful.
[32:57.430 --> 32:58.230]  They're really awful.
[32:58.290 --> 33:07.590]  But the point is, you know, you need people in certain parts of your life, and a conductor is one of them, and a ticket salesman is another, and to simply automate these things is a big mistake, I think.
[33:07.810 --> 33:10.410]  Anyway, I don't want to spend too much time on this, because we have a lot of other material that covered.
[33:10.410 --> 33:11.410]  We want to take some phone calls.
[33:11.910 --> 33:15.190]  Did you guys hear about the story of the kid down in New Jersey?
[33:15.590 --> 33:15.970]  No.
[33:16.230 --> 33:16.550]  Yeah.
[33:17.690 --> 33:19.630]  You don't have any sympathy whatsoever, do you?
[33:19.730 --> 33:20.090]  No.
[33:20.290 --> 33:22.790]  Let me tell you the story first, so that our listeners know what we're talking about.
[33:23.190 --> 33:32.270]  This is about a kid who was suspended for 10 days because he hacked into the school computer system.
[33:32.850 --> 33:35.930]  His name is Shinzan Mojander.
[33:37.630 --> 33:44.050]  He was an honor student, played the violinist, was a swimmer and overall good student.
[33:46.130 --> 33:52.210]  And basically, he was caught hacking into the school computer system.
[33:53.610 --> 33:56.850]  He wasn't the first person to have done this.
[34:00.050 --> 34:14.070]  And according to the principal of the school, I'm trying to verify that this is the principal speaking, he said that Shinzan was suspended, but I would not specify why for how long.
[34:14.070 --> 34:18.610]  He also would not discuss exactly what he did to the computer system or what files he accessed.
[34:19.010 --> 34:23.210]  His parents don't know to this day the extent of their sons' infractions.
[34:27.910 --> 34:36.710]  the district superintendent, John Fitzsimmons, said this man did violate school rules and regulations and he understood the severity of the rules he broke.
[34:37.030 --> 34:42.330]  When he returned to school, there was going to be support given to him as far as where he could channel his energies in a more positive direction.
[34:42.330 --> 34:44.790]  It was handled extremely well and was quite sensitive.
[34:45.930 --> 34:48.270]  Well, it wasn't handled quite that well, apparently.
[34:49.150 --> 34:57.690]  In fact, supposedly, I'm trying to find the exact part here.
[34:58.410 --> 35:02.970]  He was told that he could easily go to jail for this.
[35:03.830 --> 35:06.070]  That he could wind up in prison for what he did.
[35:07.530 --> 35:11.990]  And with that in mind, this 13-year-old committed suicide.
[35:14.570 --> 35:25.650]  Now, that's something that to me is a real scandal, I think, that somebody would be frightened that way.
[35:26.130 --> 35:31.650]  And I think what we see here, we see these rules, you know, these rules enforced.
[35:31.790 --> 35:32.930]  Yeah, this person broke the law.
[35:33.030 --> 35:34.030]  He has to pay the price.
[35:35.210 --> 35:39.590]  Ten-day suspension is an incredible amount of time to be suspended for anything.
[35:39.710 --> 35:44.310]  I mean, you know, you could, you can basically beat up a teacher and get suspended for less than that.
[35:45.250 --> 35:47.290]  Well, we don't know what he did, first of all.
[35:47.290 --> 35:48.990]  Yeah, and I think it's funny that we don't know what he did.
[35:49.070 --> 35:53.710]  I think it's funny that we haven't been told anything about this, that his parents weren't told anything about this.
[35:53.910 --> 35:55.010]  They weren't told about it.
[35:55.070 --> 35:56.270]  His father went to pick him up.
[35:56.470 --> 35:58.290]  Yeah, but they weren't told what he did.
[35:58.530 --> 36:00.230]  He hacked into the computer system.
[36:00.450 --> 36:00.590]  Okay.
[36:00.590 --> 36:01.370]  What does that mean?
[36:01.530 --> 36:05.890]  He caused some sort of interference with the operation of the computer system for the school.
[36:06.150 --> 36:07.070]  Well, not necessarily.
[36:07.130 --> 36:08.890]  You can hack in and not cause interference.
[36:10.170 --> 36:17.490]  Possibly, but I would I presume that by the very nature of them giving him ten days' suspension that he did something that would have deserved it.
[36:17.510 --> 36:24.990]  I'll give the district the benefit of the doubt, but what I don't particularly like about this article is the insinuation that the district is at fault for this kid's suicide.
[36:25.310 --> 36:27.130]  Well, I'm sure the article doesn't say anything about that.
[36:27.230 --> 36:27.970]  I'm not sure if you...
[36:27.970 --> 36:31.030]  Yeah, but it goes on and on, and they neglect a couple of interesting points.
[36:31.570 --> 36:33.090]  When you read it, you get that impression.
[36:33.990 --> 36:37.030]  Supposedly, the mother is talking to the district...
[36:37.030 --> 36:41.550]  I get the impression reading the quotes from the parents, who had absolutely no idea something was wrong.
[36:41.610 --> 36:46.450]  And I do fault the parents to a degree, because obviously their kid didn't know how to communicate.
[36:46.750 --> 36:52.250]  His father picked him up, brought him home, and then left this supposedly terribly distraught child alone...
[36:52.250 --> 36:52.630]  No, that's the thing.
[36:52.630 --> 36:53.530]  ...and then went back to work.
[36:53.570 --> 36:54.170]  That's the thing.
[36:54.170 --> 36:55.870]  If you want to blame someone, blame him.
[36:56.010 --> 36:56.410]  I have an idea.
[36:56.430 --> 36:57.670]  The district acted well with things.
[36:57.670 --> 36:58.570]  Hang on, hang on, hang on.
[36:59.290 --> 37:05.110]  The reason why I don't blame them for this is because they apparently didn't know that he was that upset.
[37:05.110 --> 37:07.390]  He was kicking it to himself.
[37:07.390 --> 37:12.950]  He was very quiet and did not seem overly concerned or upset.
[37:14.290 --> 37:16.250]  And when they were all gone, he held himself.
[37:17.470 --> 37:21.210]  Now, the parents are not the ones who told this kid that he was going to go to jail.
[37:21.530 --> 37:23.490]  That's something that some idiot in the school did.
[37:23.630 --> 37:28.710]  You presume that he was frightened by saying you'll be going to jail, which is a reasonable assumption to make.
[37:28.830 --> 37:31.650]  Yeah, and people see the kinds of things that happen to people like Bernie S.
[37:31.690 --> 37:34.250]  and Kevin Mitnick, and they know that can happen to them.
[37:34.250 --> 37:40.510]  Well, what would have happened to this kid ten years from now when he's driving a car and some cop pulls him over and gives him a speeding ticket and tells him he's going to go to jail?
[37:41.370 --> 37:43.610]  What cop would tell you he's going to jail for a speeding ticket?
[37:43.630 --> 37:44.410]  I have no idea.
[37:44.670 --> 37:47.330]  Well, I've never met a cop like that.
[37:47.470 --> 37:56.950]  But that's a much more threatening situation than sitting in a school district office and having the guy tell you, well, you can't come to school for ten days until you learn not to screw with the computer.
[37:56.950 --> 38:00.550]  Well, I think you're also forgetting this kid's 13 years old, all right?
[38:00.790 --> 38:05.550]  A 13-year-old kid is a lot more vulnerable than somebody ten years in the future.
[38:05.990 --> 38:09.510]  So to frighten somebody like that, literally this kid was frightened to death.
[38:09.850 --> 38:12.150]  And his father didn't realize it and left him at home alone?
[38:12.410 --> 38:13.850]  Apparently his father didn't realize it.
[38:13.930 --> 38:17.370]  I mean, yeah, you can blame them for not communicating enough with their son.
[38:18.370 --> 38:20.290]  The school district did not kill this kid.
[38:20.470 --> 38:21.370]  He took his own life.
[38:22.250 --> 38:22.650]  Agreed.
[38:22.950 --> 38:25.310]  But the school district, I think, is responsible for this.
[38:26.050 --> 38:27.090]  That's where we disagree.
[38:27.270 --> 38:28.190]  I've got a suggestion.
[38:29.030 --> 38:31.070]  You're a reporter for a mild-mannered...
[38:31.070 --> 38:34.670]  You're a mild-mannered reporter for a major metropolitan radio station.
[38:34.730 --> 38:35.830]  I'm not that mild-mannered.
[38:36.050 --> 38:36.850]  Well, I know that.
[38:36.970 --> 38:44.410]  So why don't you, like, contact the superintendent or whoever told this kid and his parents what was going on and bring them on the show?
[38:44.550 --> 38:48.110]  Why don't you figure out how to make more hours in the day and I'll have time to do this?
[38:48.410 --> 38:48.510]  Okay.
[38:51.330 --> 38:53.370]  I just think this is a really sad thing.
[38:53.510 --> 38:59.250]  It's indicative of where we're going with American culture, where everything is a crime.
[38:59.370 --> 39:01.870]  Everybody goes to prison for their crimes.
[39:01.930 --> 39:03.910]  And we don't really know what their crimes are.
[39:03.910 --> 39:05.170]  We don't know what this kid did.
[39:05.730 --> 39:08.010]  All we know is that he was frightened enough to kill himself.
[39:08.410 --> 39:19.950]  And, you know, I don't see how you can't at least put some blame on a ridiculous administration that simply didn't show any compassion whatsoever.
[39:20.230 --> 39:21.590]  The situation presented itself.
[39:21.850 --> 39:23.930]  There had to be some sort of response.
[39:24.170 --> 39:25.190]  Ten-day suspension?
[39:25.430 --> 39:26.350]  We don't know what he did.
[39:26.950 --> 39:28.370]  And why don't we know what he did?
[39:29.950 --> 39:33.270]  Perhaps it's not the right political climate to release that sort of an American.
[39:33.270 --> 39:33.490]  It's also, it's not the first time.
[39:33.550 --> 39:37.910]  If you read these articles, it's not the first time that the system was broken into.
[39:38.050 --> 39:39.090]  They haven't even fixed it.
[39:39.150 --> 39:39.850]  It's still broken.
[39:40.010 --> 39:41.550]  It's probably still got the same holes in it.
[39:41.550 --> 39:42.850]  Well, what do the other kids get?
[39:42.990 --> 39:43.510]  Is there a suspension?
[39:43.610 --> 39:46.890]  And another thing, Isaac, you have to look at all these other incidents.
[39:47.130 --> 39:52.690]  We get letters all the time from kids in school that get suspended for all kinds of ridiculous things.
[39:52.690 --> 39:54.430]  For getting a DOS prompt on a computer.
[39:54.830 --> 40:03.470]  You know, for showing the librarian that they don't know what they're talking about as far as running a computer or for, you know, all kinds of things that they didn't even do.
[40:03.590 --> 40:10.250]  You know, somebody finds a copy of Back Orifice and some kid who is the, you know, the smartest kid around just naturally gets blamed for it.
[40:10.250 --> 40:12.450]  We see this happen all the time.
[40:12.810 --> 40:12.990]  Yes.
[40:13.210 --> 40:20.030]  And we also, on the outside of the school, we have a society that is in love with prisons, that loves locking people away.
[40:20.270 --> 40:22.570]  We have over two million people in prison.
[40:22.950 --> 40:30.190]  We have, you know, we know the mentality of a person that talks about prison and makes it as scary as possible.
[40:30.550 --> 40:32.870]  Talking about what will happen to you if you get sent to prison.
[40:33.250 --> 40:39.070]  You know, and I can just imagine the kinds of things that, you know, would go through somebody's head who was traumatized in this way.
[40:39.070 --> 40:40.530]  The idea is to make it a deterrent.
[40:40.830 --> 40:49.330]  Yeah, but you see, when someone thinks they're going to prison and they're being frightened like this, you really have to think about what you might be doing to that person.
[40:49.550 --> 40:51.390]  And I think that's what happened in this case.
[40:52.410 --> 40:52.870]  All right.
[40:54.190 --> 40:54.730]  Moving on.
[40:54.910 --> 40:55.070]  Yeah.
[40:55.170 --> 40:58.150]  Well, I'd like to hear from people that have feelings on that one way or another.
[40:58.310 --> 40:59.210]  You heard about Interpol?
[40:59.770 --> 41:00.610]  Yeah, I've heard about them.
[41:00.670 --> 41:01.290]  They're nasty, aren't they?
[41:01.450 --> 41:04.990]  Well, Interpol has put some interesting information on their website fairly recently.
[41:05.470 --> 41:06.470]  Interpol had a website.
[41:06.470 --> 41:07.590]  They have a website.
[41:07.750 --> 41:09.470]  I believe it's interpol.int.
[41:09.770 --> 41:10.130]  Oh, okay.
[41:10.350 --> 41:16.750]  For those who aren't aware, it's the Association of Various International Police Agencies.
[41:17.350 --> 41:25.550]  The idea being that by sharing resources and letting the cops on the street in one place be in touch with the cops on the street in the other place.
[41:25.630 --> 41:27.070]  So sometimes they're at higher echelons.
[41:27.510 --> 41:34.930]  You can cut down on international crime and people who are jumping across borders to try and get away from convictions and so forth.
[41:35.170 --> 41:39.010]  Well, Interpol has now decided that they're going to take IT crime very seriously.
[41:39.170 --> 41:43.870]  And they've put some suggestions for how to secure your site on their website.
[41:44.390 --> 41:45.890]  And people have reviewed them.
[41:45.990 --> 41:47.250]  And I haven't taken a look yet.
[41:47.430 --> 41:51.290]  But supposedly they're kind of, well, duh, sorts of things.
[41:51.530 --> 41:54.730]  But, you know, it's worth looking into.
[41:54.890 --> 41:56.090]  So head over to their website.
[41:56.950 --> 41:57.270]  Yeah.
[41:57.570 --> 41:58.790]  Hopefully you'll make it back.
[41:59.610 --> 42:00.990]  Here's another high school story.
[42:00.990 --> 42:02.250]  This is very quick.
[42:02.650 --> 42:07.310]  I've read about this one from Cumberland, Massachusetts, I believe.
[42:07.490 --> 42:08.150]  Or Rhode Island.
[42:08.250 --> 42:09.630]  They say Rhode Island slash Massachusetts.
[42:09.630 --> 42:11.510]  Maybe it's in both states at the same time.
[42:12.010 --> 42:18.270]  A Cumberland high school student is apologizing for a sexually explicit song he made up about his teacher and posted on the Internet music site Napster.
[42:19.610 --> 42:21.350]  It was called the Mrs. Dunn song.
[42:21.890 --> 42:23.610]  Yes, I heard this on Howard Stern.
[42:24.130 --> 42:24.570]  Figures.
[42:26.190 --> 42:28.950]  Basically, this kid wrote a song about his teacher.
[42:30.070 --> 42:32.510]  And school officials are not laughing.
[42:32.690 --> 42:40.990]  They view the sexually explicit song about one of this kid's former teachers as a threat and are treating the incident very seriously, suspending the 14-year-old freshman.
[42:41.790 --> 42:43.710]  He's an honor roll student, never been in trouble before.
[42:43.710 --> 42:44.950]  He realizes he made a mistake.
[42:44.950 --> 42:45.610]  But you know what?
[42:45.890 --> 42:47.250]  I don't think he made a mistake.
[42:47.250 --> 42:48.290]  He wrote a song.
[42:48.430 --> 42:49.530]  He didn't identify the teacher.
[42:49.530 --> 42:53.870]  As far as I know, he did not identify the teacher by district, by location.
[42:54.170 --> 42:56.290]  He just called the Mrs. Dunn.
[42:56.550 --> 42:58.850]  Okay, boy, that really is going to narrow it down.
[42:59.370 --> 43:00.730]  He did this at home.
[43:00.730 --> 43:01.750]  He did this on his own computer.
[43:01.930 --> 43:02.930]  He put it up on Napster.
[43:02.950 --> 43:03.830]  More power to him.
[43:04.370 --> 43:07.510]  Instead, this kid's suspended for some work of creativity he does on his own.
[43:07.750 --> 43:13.130]  And is, again, traumatized by being charged by the police with threats.
[43:13.130 --> 43:13.470]  That's...
[43:13.950 --> 43:16.470]  I mean, I think people running schools have gone crazy.
[43:17.110 --> 43:17.850]  I really do.
[43:19.530 --> 43:20.330]  What about you, Isaac?
[43:20.970 --> 43:23.070]  Can I give the school the benefit of that on this one, too?
[43:23.130 --> 43:28.470]  I think it's entirely inappropriate for him to be wasting his time like that, composing these little ditties about...
[43:28.930 --> 43:32.890]  Are you going to impose your moral values on everything people do outside of school now?
[43:33.010 --> 43:34.170]  You've asked me for my opinion.
[43:34.270 --> 43:35.210]  I'm presenting my opinion.
[43:35.230 --> 43:39.270]  But he's being punished for doing something, for writing a song, for God's sake.
[43:39.310 --> 43:42.210]  I don't know what the content of the song was, if it was...
[43:42.210 --> 43:44.210]  Does it matter what the content of the song was?
[43:44.390 --> 43:47.770]  ...violent acts against this woman, I imagine that it would...
[43:47.770 --> 43:49.190]  Well, by all accounts, that's not...
[43:49.190 --> 43:55.570]  First of all, there was no identification of the person as far as, like, this is where the person lives, this is what school I go to, anything like that.
[43:55.730 --> 43:55.990]  All right.
[43:56.030 --> 43:57.250]  It was a song.
[43:57.570 --> 43:59.290]  It was a work of art, creativity.
[44:00.390 --> 44:07.850]  I don't know enough about it to pass a real judgment, but I would say that I think this guy should have better things to do with his time than to write a song like that.
[44:07.850 --> 44:09.330]  Again, I don't think that's really the point.
[44:09.650 --> 44:09.850]  Okay.
[44:09.850 --> 44:17.370]  I would like to think administrators are better things to do than constantly punish people for, you know, being creative or being mischievous.
[44:19.050 --> 44:21.850]  Okay, let's take a couple of phone calls.
[44:23.190 --> 44:24.730]  212-209-2900.
[44:24.950 --> 44:31.290]  And we also have some listener mail, which I guess we'll alternate back and forth from the...
[44:31.290 --> 44:32.850]  Written word to the spoken word.
[44:32.850 --> 44:34.310]  Yeah, from the written word to the spoken word.
[44:34.570 --> 44:36.990]  As we have the soundtrack to Freedom Downtime in the background.
[44:38.390 --> 44:39.270]  Isn't that something?
[44:41.170 --> 44:42.710]  212-209-2900.
[44:42.710 --> 44:43.410]  Here's a letter.
[44:43.650 --> 44:52.010]  Do you think Ford might be contemplating suing Microsoft or the other way around regarding the more blatant trademark conflict between the Ford Explorer and Microsoft Internet Explorer?
[44:53.110 --> 44:53.650]  Or...
[44:53.650 --> 44:55.010]  I didn't think about that, did you?
[44:55.190 --> 45:01.070]  Or is it only individuals, non-profit organizations, and other little guys from whom corporations can second common...
[45:01.730 --> 45:03.750]  can second common English words?
[45:03.750 --> 45:04.650]  I'm not sure what that means.
[45:05.330 --> 45:05.890]  Well, anyway.
[45:06.910 --> 45:08.010]  That's a very good question, though.
[45:09.150 --> 45:09.750]  That's a very good question.
[45:09.750 --> 45:11.190]  Ford Explorer, the Internet Explorer.
[45:11.250 --> 45:11.430]  Yeah.
[45:12.230 --> 45:13.210]  Obvious copyright infringement.
[45:13.230 --> 45:13.890]  It's possible, again.
[45:14.150 --> 45:15.930]  Hey, look, all the lines aren't taped anymore.
[45:15.930 --> 45:16.630]  That's kind of cool.
[45:16.830 --> 45:18.230]  So we can actually take phone calls again.
[45:18.470 --> 45:19.570]  Let's take our first one.
[45:19.630 --> 45:26.190]  Remember, we also have the decision that our listeners are going to help us with as to whether or not we should give Universal Cities permission to use 2600.
[45:26.410 --> 45:27.550]  And what the hell was that thing again?
[45:28.890 --> 45:30.830]  K93 with Mr. Frankie the Fence.
[45:31.010 --> 45:31.410]  Oh, boy.
[45:32.450 --> 45:33.190]  Good evening.
[45:33.410 --> 45:34.110]  You're on the air.
[45:34.650 --> 45:39.650]  Yeah, I think the stories about the suspension of kids from schools is really interesting.
[45:39.770 --> 45:50.430]  And I think one of the things that's going on is that there's a power dynamic that especially teachers and administrators expect to keep up where the adults are in charge.
[45:50.430 --> 45:59.050]  And in an area like computers, where often the students are more adept and thoughtful than they are, they feel particularly threatened and just go completely berserk.
[45:59.050 --> 46:00.010]  No, that's exactly it.
[46:00.110 --> 46:06.950]  When you threaten somebody's authority, you know, mostly if you threaten their authority inside their own head, they go ballistic.
[46:07.350 --> 46:08.630]  They go completely nuts.
[46:08.830 --> 46:12.910]  And we've seen this dozens of times, hundreds of times in the world of computers and schools.
[46:14.050 --> 46:27.910]  And, you know, the idea that someone should have something better to do with their time than writing songs, it seems to me that's a particularly noble pursuit for someone's leisure time to engage in creative activity.
[46:28.030 --> 46:30.010]  Well, we want morally correct songs, don't we?
[46:30.770 --> 46:34.590]  Well, you know, this isn't exactly Ravel's Bolero we're talking about.
[46:34.590 --> 46:36.090]  You haven't heard the song.
[46:36.270 --> 46:36.550]  Yeah, exactly.
[46:36.770 --> 46:37.790]  I'll take that back.
[46:37.950 --> 46:41.690]  Maybe it is something, you know, worthy of high praise.
[46:41.890 --> 46:43.990]  And I'll hold my tongue from now on.
[46:43.990 --> 46:48.290]  Look at some of the best songs ever written.
[46:49.250 --> 46:51.490]  Go buy yourself a Velvet Underground album, okay?
[46:51.570 --> 46:52.570]  I happen to have one with me.
[46:52.710 --> 46:53.290]  Oh, never mind.
[46:53.590 --> 46:55.410]  And listen to what those songs are about.
[46:55.650 --> 46:58.690]  And tell me that Lou Reed should have been doing something better with his time.
[46:59.310 --> 47:10.730]  Plus, you know, maybe it's not Ravel when he's 14 years old, but maybe if he uses his spare time writing a name, did he, when he's 14, maybe when he's 24 he'll be writing something more useful.
[47:10.930 --> 47:12.170]  Okay, I'll grant you that.
[47:12.430 --> 47:13.390]  I'll grant you that.
[47:13.730 --> 47:14.650]  All right, thanks for the call.
[47:14.770 --> 47:17.410]  And I think you should let them use the magazine in Canine 3.
[47:17.630 --> 47:18.810]  Okay, that's one vote for her.
[47:18.910 --> 47:19.210]  All right.
[47:19.410 --> 47:20.010]  Oh, we don't count?
[47:20.170 --> 47:21.110]  I told you you didn't count.
[47:21.230 --> 47:21.610]  Oh, I'm sorry.
[47:22.450 --> 47:23.190]  Got to get it through your head.
[47:23.350 --> 47:23.630]  Thanks.
[47:23.630 --> 47:23.890]  You didn't count.
[47:24.190 --> 47:24.530]  I don't count.
[47:24.570 --> 47:25.290]  All right, good evening.
[47:25.370 --> 47:25.750]  You're on the air.
[47:28.690 --> 47:29.750]  All right, thanks for your vote, Ravel.
[47:30.170 --> 47:31.110]  Let's go on to the next phone call.
[47:31.190 --> 47:31.430]  Good evening.
[47:31.530 --> 47:31.970]  You're on the air.
[47:33.030 --> 47:33.570]  Go ahead.
[47:34.290 --> 47:34.650]  Hi.
[47:34.890 --> 47:35.570]  Hi, what's up?
[47:35.650 --> 47:36.110]  Am I on the air?
[47:36.230 --> 47:36.910]  You're on the air.
[47:37.030 --> 47:42.670]  I was just wondering if Isaac has a military background.
[47:42.670 --> 47:45.110]  Did he spend time in the United States military?
[47:45.470 --> 47:47.110]  He has a military future, maybe.
[47:48.610 --> 47:50.330]  I'm getting my goose step down.
[47:50.370 --> 47:53.090]  I'm getting a little bit tired of his narrow viewpoints.
[47:53.810 --> 47:54.570]  Wait a second.
[47:54.690 --> 47:56.570]  Military people have narrow viewpoints?
[47:56.690 --> 47:58.550]  No, I think he's saying you have a narrow viewpoints.
[48:00.350 --> 48:01.070]  Well, okay.
[48:01.210 --> 48:03.870]  Now, how would you suggest Isaac could better spend his time?
[48:04.710 --> 48:05.770]  Off of the show.
[48:06.370 --> 48:06.610]  Oh.
[48:07.690 --> 48:08.770]  Now, that's not how we work here.
[48:08.770 --> 48:09.890]  Your wish may come true.
[48:09.990 --> 48:11.130]  That's not how we work here.
[48:11.290 --> 48:11.330]  Okay.
[48:11.650 --> 48:16.670]  Well, actually, I think he does fairly well on the previous show.
[48:17.170 --> 48:18.750]  I think he's well suited to that.
[48:19.510 --> 48:20.110]  Well, okay.
[48:20.390 --> 48:23.270]  That's a plus for you being on the Extra Witness Show.
[48:23.410 --> 48:24.070]  Oh, that show, yeah.
[48:24.190 --> 48:24.590]  Yeah.
[48:24.590 --> 48:26.350]  Yeah, I'm helping Mike engineer that, so...
[48:26.350 --> 48:30.950]  Well, no, I think Isaac helps us, you know, define why certain things are important.
[48:31.210 --> 48:45.790]  Well, I understand that, but you waste so much time arguing with him over basic issues that I would think the WBA audience is in, you know, has a consensus with.
[48:45.790 --> 48:48.390]  Okay, but what about the rest of the world?
[48:48.770 --> 48:49.590]  You're not listening.
[48:50.290 --> 48:52.370]  Well, they might stumble upon our radio station.
[48:52.390 --> 48:55.030]  Oh, we've got listeners in Tuvalu on the web, man.
[48:55.470 --> 49:00.710]  We want to infect them with our propaganda as well, and what better way than to know why we believe in what we believe.
[49:01.250 --> 49:02.830]  You know, we don't want to say things mindlessly.
[49:02.910 --> 49:04.810]  We want to know why we believe certain things.
[49:04.910 --> 49:06.570]  We want to be able to argue for them intelligently.
[49:06.910 --> 49:07.170]  Okay.
[49:07.390 --> 49:08.850]  That's what I see my role as.
[49:08.930 --> 49:13.110]  I basically present the other side of the issue, to at least make you think about it and consider it.
[49:15.790 --> 49:21.190]  With an uneducated background, that's the thing that just bothers me sometimes.
[49:21.490 --> 49:21.630]  Okay.
[49:23.030 --> 49:30.770]  I mean, when you get right down to it, just like the last argument, you just didn't really know what you were talking about.
[49:31.390 --> 49:31.790]  Ouch.
[49:32.070 --> 49:32.410]  Okay.
[49:32.670 --> 49:35.050]  Okay, you're getting into the personal attack mode here.
[49:35.130 --> 49:39.130]  I'm just going to ask you now for your vote on the Universal City issue.
[49:39.390 --> 49:40.830]  I wasn't there for that.
[49:41.030 --> 49:41.630]  Ah, okay.
[49:41.770 --> 49:42.490]  I just tuned in.
[49:42.570 --> 49:43.110]  You abstained.
[49:43.430 --> 49:45.430]  Oh, you just tuned in and you're already asking me.
[49:45.430 --> 49:45.790]  All right.
[49:46.950 --> 49:47.790]  Thanks for the call.
[49:47.950 --> 49:48.230]  Yeah, thanks a lot.
[49:48.270 --> 49:48.810]  Let's move on.
[49:49.330 --> 49:50.410]  No, feel free to attack me.
[49:50.550 --> 49:51.350]  I'll take it.
[49:52.310 --> 49:52.670]  All right.
[49:53.530 --> 49:54.230]  I can pet on the...
[49:54.230 --> 49:55.030]  We're at 120 Wall Street.
[49:55.210 --> 49:55.830]  We're usually out on the street.
[49:55.850 --> 49:56.970]  Not that kind of attack me.
[49:57.110 --> 49:57.390]  Oh, okay.
[49:57.610 --> 49:57.970]  Good evening.
[49:58.090 --> 49:58.390]  You're on the air.
[49:58.670 --> 49:59.710]  Yeah, how are you guys doing?
[49:59.710 --> 50:04.590]  I'm just calling to let you know that my website's under fire by the MPAA, too.
[50:04.590 --> 50:05.730]  What did you do?
[50:06.890 --> 50:18.070]  We talk about everything about movies being pirated on the Internet from just freedom of speech, you know, just talking about stories about what's happening with movies on the Internet in general.
[50:18.410 --> 50:19.850]  And we talk about the full scope.
[50:20.070 --> 50:27.770]  It's really funny because on my website, they went and they saw a trailer to Lord of the Rings and they figured that we were distributing.
[50:27.970 --> 50:32.110]  They said we're doing unauthorized distribution of motion pictures, which is funny.
[50:32.430 --> 50:33.370]  What's the name of your site?
[50:35.250 --> 50:35.970]  Internetmovies.com.
[50:36.170 --> 50:36.530]  Okay.
[50:36.710 --> 50:37.810]  I think I heard about your site.
[50:38.290 --> 50:38.850]  Oh, no.
[50:39.030 --> 50:39.210]  Yeah.
[50:39.350 --> 50:40.670]  No, I think I heard something about it.
[50:40.750 --> 50:43.830]  But basically, you're not providing illegal movies.
[50:43.830 --> 50:46.970]  You're not selling illegal copies and things like that, right?
[50:47.270 --> 50:47.450]  No.
[50:47.650 --> 50:47.890]  Okay.
[50:48.030 --> 50:50.250]  I mean, one thing we don't know is about the digital and incorporate.
[50:50.650 --> 50:56.910]  We're so afraid and we don't even know what we can link to and what we can not, you know, so we're always, like, questioning everything we do.
[50:57.150 --> 50:57.410]  Uh-huh.
[50:57.710 --> 50:58.530]  Yeah, so...
[50:58.530 --> 50:58.850]  All right.
[50:58.930 --> 51:00.690]  Do you have a vote for the Universal City thing?
[51:02.250 --> 51:03.410]  I'd say make them pay you.
[51:04.430 --> 51:05.830]  Well, that would be a no then, wouldn't it?
[51:06.110 --> 51:06.290]  Huh?
[51:06.690 --> 51:07.430]  They're not going to pay.
[51:07.490 --> 51:08.230]  I'll tell you that right now.
[51:08.410 --> 51:09.110]  No, they're not going to pay.
[51:09.450 --> 51:10.130]  Well, I don't know.
[51:10.270 --> 51:10.870]  It was...
[51:10.870 --> 51:14.590]  If you get traffic out of it and, you know, gets more exposure, I guess it could help out.
[51:15.010 --> 51:16.550]  Let people know what's really going on.
[51:16.670 --> 51:21.970]  Well, I don't see how having a magazine in the background is going to really let people know what's really going on, but it is exposure to a degree.
[51:22.570 --> 51:22.830]  Yeah.
[51:23.010 --> 51:23.610]  So is that a yes?
[51:24.350 --> 51:27.010]  Uh, I don't think it would hurt.
[51:27.270 --> 51:28.110]  Okay, so that's a yes.
[51:28.330 --> 51:32.070]  All right, we have three yeses and two non-counting yeses in the studio.
[51:32.230 --> 51:33.150]  It's a landslide, it looks like.
[51:33.350 --> 51:41.630]  I figured people would be more anti the studios, but I guess, you know, we're willing to always let people see things.
[51:41.710 --> 51:42.350]  Yeah, throw it down.
[51:42.530 --> 51:43.590]  All right, good evening.
[51:43.670 --> 51:44.050]  You're on the air.
[51:44.190 --> 51:44.850]  Hi, Emmanuel.
[51:45.030 --> 51:45.590]  Thanks for your show.
[51:45.910 --> 51:58.950]  You know, I do really appreciate, you know, the way you cover a lot of bases, and if your intent with Isaac is to have counterpoint, I think it's really not working because it's not intelligent, open-minded counterpoint.
[51:59.090 --> 52:05.430]  And my vote is to seriously sit down and reconsider who you have discussing things with you.
[52:05.570 --> 52:11.310]  And maybe we should have some of the high school students who have been so abused come on as guest hosts a lot more often.
[52:11.670 --> 52:25.110]  Well, I would like to hear from that particular, you know, part of society quite a bit because, yeah, I have to agree, we have a serious problem here, and I don't think it's quite right to just dismiss that as something that, you know, is being exaggerated.
[52:25.290 --> 52:26.430]  I mean, you have a kid that killed himself.
[52:26.590 --> 52:27.170]  A 13-year-old.
[52:27.270 --> 52:28.890]  13-year-olds don't really kill themselves that much.
[52:28.990 --> 52:32.450]  No, this is a very, very serious aspect of what's going on in American culture.
[52:32.450 --> 52:37.890]  And the crackdown on, you know, the children is, there's no childhood anymore.
[52:38.170 --> 52:41.710]  I mean, they're expecting kids to conform to an adult world.
[52:41.910 --> 52:45.870]  And like one of the people said, you know, the kids are smarter than the adults.
[52:45.870 --> 52:50.490]  And somebody needs to advocate for children in many ways that aren't being advocated for.
[52:50.590 --> 52:52.210]  And I really appreciate that you're doing that.
[52:52.330 --> 52:55.130]  But I don't think they're being forced to conform to an adult world.
[52:55.130 --> 52:57.370]  I think they're actually going for it.
[52:57.450 --> 52:58.730]  They're seeing these things on TV.
[52:58.730 --> 53:02.870]  They're watching shows like Friends, where you're supposed to be dealing with these people.
[53:02.970 --> 53:04.290]  I presume they're in their mid-20s.
[53:04.470 --> 53:08.230]  And you've got these teenagers who are trying to emulate that.
[53:08.310 --> 53:12.050]  And everything they see in society is sex this, drinking that, drugs the other thing.
[53:12.210 --> 53:14.310]  And they think that's what they're supposed to be.
[53:14.450 --> 53:16.390]  So you're blaming entertainment for all this?
[53:16.390 --> 53:17.410]  I'm not blaming anyone.
[53:17.690 --> 53:19.150]  Well, it sounds like you're blaming entertainment.
[53:19.150 --> 53:22.830]  But I find it interesting that I'm considered not to have an open mind.
[53:22.850 --> 53:25.270]  And I'm wondering now what the definition of open mind is.
[53:25.270 --> 53:30.550]  Is it supposed to be you take everything that is ever told to you and accept it as true?
[53:30.850 --> 53:39.490]  That you cannot use any sort of logic, reason, or discrimination between a good idea and that idea which you don't think cuts the mustard?
[53:39.670 --> 53:40.750]  No, I don't think that's it at all.
[53:40.870 --> 53:48.250]  I think it's a basic attitude and a basic energy in which you interact with the people in the studio and the audience.
[53:48.250 --> 53:55.910]  And I think the attitude and the energy is what's in question, not the logistics of a discussion.
[53:55.910 --> 54:08.690]  It's more what the feeling we get as a BAI audience and expecting a level of discourse that goes beyond into the realm where it's worth listening to.
[54:08.690 --> 54:14.650]  And I just think Emmanuel keeps to a very high degree of listening standard.
[54:14.670 --> 54:20.930]  And I expect all of the BAI people to reach for that goal.
[54:21.130 --> 54:24.610]  Okay, well, you're making me blush here, but thanks for the comments.
[54:24.650 --> 54:29.370]  But I do want to say in closing that Isaac's views are not that unusual.
[54:29.610 --> 54:33.950]  They're not something that is just a rarity here.
[54:33.950 --> 54:36.330]  They represent a large number of people out there.
[54:36.430 --> 54:43.370]  And I think shutting that particular aspect out wouldn't really serve anybody because we'd be preaching to the converted.
[54:43.470 --> 54:46.170]  We'd be saying the same things over and over again to people who agree.
[54:46.690 --> 54:50.230]  It's good to disagree and examine why you believe in certain things.
[54:50.350 --> 54:52.470]  So don't look at Isaac as an enemy.
[54:52.470 --> 54:54.690]  Look at him as a challenge, right?
[54:54.850 --> 54:56.270]  And it's an excellent viewpoint to have.
[54:56.270 --> 54:58.130]  And I thank you for your compliment there.
[54:58.450 --> 54:59.370]  I'll pay for it later.
[55:00.150 --> 55:00.710]  Good evening.
[55:00.770 --> 55:01.190]  You're on the air.
[55:02.050 --> 55:02.650]  Hi, yeah.
[55:02.730 --> 55:06.810]  You guys were talking about how a kid got arrested for making a song, right?
[55:07.750 --> 55:08.110]  Yes.
[55:08.470 --> 55:09.670]  I'm not sure if he was arrested.
[55:10.270 --> 55:11.630]  They viewed it as a threat.
[55:12.110 --> 55:14.550]  That, to me, sounds like the cops were involved in some degree.
[55:14.630 --> 55:15.770]  I don't know if he was actually arrested, though.
[55:15.990 --> 55:19.910]  Yeah, because a friend of mine was arrested for making a flash animation and putting it up online.
[55:20.490 --> 55:20.810]  Oh.
[55:21.150 --> 55:22.410]  How do you get arrested for that?
[55:22.590 --> 55:27.470]  Well, they said it was terroristic threatening because it showed stick figures.
[55:31.870 --> 55:36.610]  But the only thing that said that it was his boss was a first name that was attached to the stick figure.
[55:37.130 --> 55:40.810]  So he was thrown in jail for a few days, sent to a mental hospital.
[55:41.030 --> 55:41.230]  Oh, boy.
[55:41.630 --> 55:43.250]  And now he's on pretrial conditions.
[55:43.810 --> 55:45.790]  That's the kind of thing that can really mess you up for life.
[55:45.850 --> 55:46.590]  How old is this person?
[55:47.650 --> 55:48.650]  He's 17 right now.
[55:48.670 --> 55:48.930]  17.
[55:49.030 --> 55:50.370]  That's a great way to start out life.
[55:50.490 --> 55:51.410]  That's a great way to treat somebody.
[55:51.670 --> 55:52.030]  Tell me something.
[55:52.230 --> 55:54.790]  The name of the person, was it an unusual name, the first name?
[55:55.350 --> 55:56.050]  The boss, you mean?
[55:56.130 --> 55:56.350]  Yeah.
[55:57.150 --> 55:57.890]  No, not really.
[55:57.950 --> 55:58.970]  Just a regular first name.
[55:59.130 --> 55:59.750]  Could have been anybody.
[55:59.910 --> 56:00.370]  Could have been anybody.
[56:01.230 --> 56:01.590]  Unbelievable.
[56:02.050 --> 56:04.430]  But the cop showed up because a teacher of his found it.
[56:04.990 --> 56:05.290]  Uh-huh.
[56:05.950 --> 56:07.610]  So it's a messed up system out there.
[56:07.710 --> 56:08.430]  It sure is.
[56:08.490 --> 56:09.050]  It sure is.
[56:09.110 --> 56:11.830]  And at least I want to let people know that they have a voice here.
[56:11.950 --> 56:13.610]  And they have a voice with 2600.
[56:13.750 --> 56:16.530]  We get all kinds of letters from people that get abused in the system.
[56:16.930 --> 56:19.510]  At home and in school and in other places as well.
[56:19.670 --> 56:21.950]  So if you're out there, you're not alone.
[56:22.130 --> 56:23.570]  That's a lot of company, unfortunately.
[56:24.470 --> 56:26.250]  But we're here to provide a voice for that.
[56:26.350 --> 56:27.230]  And many others as well.
[56:27.690 --> 56:29.350]  Let's try and squeeze in one or two more.
[56:30.290 --> 56:30.850]  Good evening.
[56:31.070 --> 56:31.490]  You're on the air.
[56:32.990 --> 56:33.410]  Speak up.
[56:33.950 --> 56:34.310]  Hello?
[56:34.510 --> 56:34.950]  Yes, go ahead.
[56:35.050 --> 56:35.250]  You're on.
[56:35.710 --> 56:37.430]  Yes, I like to speak up for Isaac.
[56:38.570 --> 56:40.010]  I'm one of Isaac's listeners.
[56:40.170 --> 56:40.630]  Hey, wait a second.
[56:40.670 --> 56:42.310]  We're voting on the canine thing here.
[56:42.410 --> 56:42.890]  Yes, the canine.
[56:42.990 --> 56:47.270]  I'm against it because they're going to use it, against it one way or the other.
[56:47.430 --> 56:51.570]  You don't know what hits you after you have given a permission.
[56:51.990 --> 56:52.310]  That's right.
[56:52.310 --> 56:52.810]  That's true.
[56:52.990 --> 56:53.490]  Now, okay.
[56:53.490 --> 56:55.630]  Okay, so now we have one against and how many for?
[56:56.010 --> 56:56.890]  I think three.
[56:57.450 --> 56:58.910]  So we're going to go through some more fun calls.
[56:59.010 --> 56:59.810]  Any chance.
[57:00.430 --> 57:00.950]  Any chance.
[57:01.030 --> 57:02.190]  Yeah, we weren't voting on that this week.
[57:02.310 --> 57:02.930]  That's next week.
[57:02.970 --> 57:03.390]  Let's go over here.
[57:03.750 --> 57:04.050]  Good evening.
[57:04.150 --> 57:04.450]  You're on the air.
[57:05.710 --> 57:06.390]  Speak up, please.
[57:07.430 --> 57:08.230]  Try it easy.
[57:08.990 --> 57:10.190]  I don't know what that's all about.
[57:10.350 --> 57:10.630]  Good evening.
[57:10.790 --> 57:11.330]  You're on the air.
[57:11.750 --> 57:15.170]  I do not subscribe to a station that does not have a program director.
[57:15.470 --> 57:15.750]  Thank you.
[57:16.530 --> 57:16.930]  Okay.
[57:17.210 --> 57:19.050]  Well, that's your right.
[57:19.050 --> 57:20.490]  I do not like to drink soy milk.
[57:21.010 --> 57:22.330]  I don't like green eggs and ham.
[57:22.450 --> 57:22.650]  Good evening.
[57:22.750 --> 57:23.150]  You're on the air.
[57:23.450 --> 57:23.710]  Oh, yeah.
[57:23.730 --> 57:23.950]  Hi.
[57:24.050 --> 57:26.230]  I'd just like to say that I love Isaac.
[57:26.470 --> 57:27.430]  I'm glad he's there.
[57:27.930 --> 57:31.550]  And all those people who bash him all the time, they're all wrong.
[57:31.870 --> 57:32.250]  Okay.
[57:32.570 --> 57:35.530]  And I wish there were more people like him at BAI.
[57:36.750 --> 57:38.990]  You know, and he really brings a balance to the show.
[57:39.710 --> 57:43.230]  I just want to say, if Isaac gets booted off the show, I win the $1 million.
[57:44.010 --> 57:44.390]  All right.
[57:44.450 --> 57:45.370]  Oh, there's a pool going on.
[57:45.590 --> 57:47.630]  Well, guys, I thank you very much for your support.
[57:47.810 --> 57:48.410]  What's your vote?
[57:48.970 --> 57:49.570]  My vote?
[57:51.210 --> 57:51.510]  Quickly.
[57:51.630 --> 57:51.890]  Screw him.
[57:52.030 --> 57:52.370]  Screw him.
[57:52.530 --> 57:52.770]  Okay.
[57:52.910 --> 57:53.970]  That's a no.
[57:54.210 --> 57:56.070]  We have one chance for a tie here.
[57:56.150 --> 57:56.390]  Good evening.
[57:56.450 --> 57:56.870]  You're on the air.
[57:57.230 --> 57:57.470]  Yeah.
[57:57.690 --> 57:58.950]  I'm definitely against.
[57:59.070 --> 57:59.370]  Okay.
[57:59.370 --> 57:59.890]  You're against.
[57:59.930 --> 58:02.030]  Will you give up the rest of your time so we can go for the tiebreaker?
[58:02.870 --> 58:03.570]  Yeah, I guess so.
[58:03.630 --> 58:03.910]  Okay.
[58:03.950 --> 58:04.710]  That's very noble of you.
[58:05.070 --> 58:07.190]  And this is the deciding vote here.
[58:07.270 --> 58:07.890]  It better not be rebel.
[58:07.990 --> 58:08.230]  Good evening.
[58:08.290 --> 58:08.830]  You're on the air.
[58:09.830 --> 58:10.590]  Speak up, please.
[58:10.870 --> 58:11.470]  Yeah, Emanuel.
[58:11.690 --> 58:12.030]  How you doing?
[58:12.110 --> 58:12.950]  Blue Knight from 303.
[58:13.250 --> 58:14.310]  Hey there, from 303.
[58:14.430 --> 58:19.530]  Now, you are going to decide whether or not we give permission to Universal City to use 2600 in their latest production.
[58:20.050 --> 58:21.650]  I say let's go for it.
[58:21.790 --> 58:22.250]  All right.
[58:22.410 --> 58:22.790]  There you go.
[58:22.890 --> 58:23.450]  That's it, then.
[58:23.590 --> 58:23.690]  Woo!
[58:24.210 --> 58:25.710]  Do you have any final comments?
[58:26.310 --> 58:27.890]  Not much from here.
[58:28.030 --> 58:31.070]  Everyone from the IRC channel says, hello.
[58:31.310 --> 58:32.350]  Thanks for taking my call.
[58:32.450 --> 58:33.830]  I've been trying for two years.
[58:34.730 --> 58:37.150]  Well, this must be a very special occasion for you, then.
[58:37.250 --> 58:38.910]  I'm sorry you didn't get more of a chance to say something.
[58:39.230 --> 58:40.330]  I'll try it next time.
[58:40.390 --> 58:43.870]  Next week, we're on for three hours, seven to ten, so you'll have more of a chance.
[58:43.950 --> 58:48.250]  And you also have a chance to pledge to keep this radio show going, keep this radio station going.
[58:48.330 --> 58:50.290]  So we hope to see you all there next week, seven to ten.
[58:50.970 --> 58:52.470]  For Emanuel, I'm Emanuel.
[58:52.470 --> 58:54.550]  For Isaac and Jim, this is Emanuel.
[58:55.030 --> 58:55.310]  Good night.
[59:10.240 --> 59:16.260]  And if you'd like to be part of the Caravan to Detroit, email caravan, C-A-R-A-V-A-N, at 2600.com.
[59:16.420 --> 59:21.900]  We'll be leaving tomorrow, heading upstate New York, over through Canada to Detroit for the hearing on Friday.
[59:22.280 --> 59:25.260]  More information at FordReallySucks.com.
[59:45.610 --> 59:49.150]  Red man, red man, you have to fight for your land.
[59:49.510 --> 59:54.410]  Just like the days of old, you'll have to be bold and bold.
[59:55.810 --> 59:58.530]  Don't let the white man fool you.
[59:59.470 --> 01:00:02.290]  Don't let his papers cool you.
[01:00:03.150 --> 01:00:06.290]  With tricks and lies, he stole the land.
[01:00:06.930 --> 01:00:10.210]  Refuse and resist the white man's plan.
[01:00:10.690 --> 01:00:13.910]  Stand on big mountain in your ancestors' earth.
[01:00:14.370 --> 01:00:17.550]  Land is power without its life as no worth.
[01:00:18.030 --> 01:00:21.210]  Stand on big mountain, you'll have to be strong.
[01:00:21.210 --> 01:00:25.090]  Good must overcome, the struggle is long.
[01:00:25.430 --> 01:00:28.750]  He came to Turtle Island with fire water in hand.
[01:00:29.130 --> 01:00:32.390]  Gave it to the red man and stole his land.
[01:00:32.870 --> 01:00:36.170]  Gave us an image of Indian so wild.
[01:00:36.570 --> 01:00:40.010]  The image he got on the screen as a child.
[01:00:40.490 --> 01:00:41.630]  Who is to blame?
[01:00:42.190 --> 01:00:43.470]  Who is to blame?
[01:00:43.910 --> 01:00:47.210]  I say, the image of John Wayne.
[01:00:48.310 --> 01:00:50.770]  Don't let the white man fool you.
[01:00:51.650 --> 01:00:54.570]  Don't let his papers cool you.
[01:00:55.350 --> 01:00:58.730]  Don't let his fire water get you down.
[01:00:59.210 --> 01:01:02.610]  Stand up and fight for your piece of ground.
[01:01:02.610 --> 01:01:02.790]  Come on.
[01:01:03.270 --> 01:01:03.630]  You're welcome.