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[03:20.950 --> 03:21.670]  And a
[03:46.840 --> 03:49.340]  good evening to everybody.
[03:49.480 --> 03:50.220]  The program is Off the Hook.
[03:50.340 --> 03:53.840]  Emmanuel Goldstein here with you on this Tuesday night for the first time.
[03:54.280 --> 03:55.420]  How long, Isaac, has it been?
[03:55.420 --> 03:56.780]  Uh, three weeks now?
[03:57.000 --> 03:57.640]  Three weeks.
[03:57.780 --> 03:58.740]  Boy, it's just unbelievable.
[03:59.080 --> 04:01.260]  And you know, when I was driving in, the station went off the air.
[04:01.460 --> 04:03.380]  You know, all of a sudden, bang.
[04:03.640 --> 04:04.600]  Just dropped off the air?
[04:04.640 --> 04:05.800]  Transmitter just went off the air.
[04:06.020 --> 04:09.240]  This happens occasionally in the summertime with the heat stroke and things like that.
[04:09.360 --> 04:11.720]  But you know, I figure, yeah, this is the way it's going to work out.
[04:11.940 --> 04:13.400]  I'm going to be preempted again.
[04:13.580 --> 04:14.760]  So it'll be a solid month.
[04:14.760 --> 04:14.980]  By nature.
[04:15.180 --> 04:15.380]  Yeah.
[04:15.540 --> 04:18.440]  Solid month without updating people on what's going on.
[04:18.580 --> 04:27.800]  Well, you know, I figured since we were gone for so long, that by now, certainly, by the time we got back, it's now what, June, what, what's today's date?
[04:27.980 --> 04:28.180]  12th.
[04:28.260 --> 04:28.520]  12th.
[04:28.620 --> 04:29.280]  June 12th.
[04:29.400 --> 04:31.800]  We'll last on May 22nd, I think.
[04:32.020 --> 04:32.080]  Yep.
[04:32.340 --> 04:34.760]  By now, of course, there's got to be a verdict in our case.
[04:34.920 --> 04:35.380]  Both cases.
[04:35.560 --> 04:38.000]  Both the Ford case and the DECSS case.
[04:38.140 --> 04:38.640]  But you know what?
[04:38.700 --> 04:39.120]  There isn't.
[04:39.220 --> 04:39.760]  There's nothing.
[04:40.200 --> 04:41.420]  Nothing's happened in three weeks.
[04:41.500 --> 04:41.940]  Nothing at all.
[04:42.060 --> 04:43.440]  I mean, I imagine stuff is happening.
[04:43.560 --> 04:46.480]  I imagine the judge is pondering and whatever he does back there.
[04:47.380 --> 04:50.240]  But we don't, we don't know what's going on yet.
[04:50.300 --> 04:58.380]  We don't have, you know, we filed the, the answers to the, to the magic questions that the judge, the judges in the DECSS appeal asked for.
[04:58.580 --> 05:00.040]  We did that on May 31st.
[05:00.360 --> 05:02.360]  And they're, they're looking those over.
[05:02.440 --> 05:03.640]  They're up on our website as well.
[05:04.540 --> 05:19.660]  We, we talked about driving out to Detroit about a month or so ago and being heard in the, in the, in the lawsuit that was filed against us by Ford because of the, uh, the critical General Motors site that pointed to them and the redirection of that name,
[05:19.720 --> 05:20.280]  the redirection.
[05:20.540 --> 05:27.080]  And, um, like we said, then, you know, if, if, if this had been a major issue in the judge's eyes, he probably would have ruled right then on the spot.
[05:27.220 --> 05:30.360]  Well, it's been something like three and a half weeks now and still nothing.
[05:30.360 --> 05:33.000]  So you have to, uh, you have to wonder what that, uh, what that's all about.
[05:33.080 --> 05:36.800]  We now have the transcript of that hearing, which is up on our website as well.
[05:37.300 --> 05:40.540]  Uh, so, um, a lot of information to, to catch up on.
[05:40.660 --> 05:42.060]  Unfortunately, no, no decisions yet.
[05:42.780 --> 05:43.340]  Still come.
[05:43.920 --> 05:44.380]  That's right.
[05:45.260 --> 05:49.160]  But we have, uh, an exciting announcement.
[05:49.740 --> 05:51.000]  Not related to the decisions.
[05:51.260 --> 05:52.120]  Not related to the decisions.
[05:52.200 --> 05:52.400]  Okay.
[05:52.400 --> 05:55.760]  A decision of ours to go ahead with, uh, with the fourth hope conference.
[05:56.040 --> 05:56.420]  All right.
[05:56.540 --> 05:57.940]  Known as H2K2.
[05:59.100 --> 05:59.500]  H2K2.
[05:59.640 --> 06:00.200]  Like the mountain.
[06:00.620 --> 06:01.600]  Like, like the mountain.
[06:01.740 --> 06:02.100]  What mountain?
[06:02.240 --> 06:02.620]  K2.
[06:02.800 --> 06:04.120]  It's the second highest mountain in the world.
[06:04.480 --> 06:04.700]  Okay.
[06:04.800 --> 06:04.920]  Yeah.
[06:04.980 --> 06:06.140]  I guess it could be like that too.
[06:06.220 --> 06:07.800]  I was thinking more like R2D2.
[06:08.060 --> 06:08.760]  Oh, H2K2.
[06:08.840 --> 06:09.000]  Okay.
[06:09.000 --> 06:09.000]  Yeah.
[06:09.160 --> 06:09.580]  I like that too.
[06:09.940 --> 06:10.100]  Yeah.
[06:10.100 --> 06:13.660]  And the, the, the call is out for people to build the official H2K2 robot.
[06:13.920 --> 06:16.100]  So perhaps it should be a robot on a mountain.
[06:16.500 --> 06:16.840]  Uh-huh.
[06:17.320 --> 06:19.000]  As the logo and then like written.
[06:19.440 --> 06:19.600]  Yeah.
[06:19.820 --> 06:20.520]  I'll work on my entry.
[06:20.680 --> 06:22.500]  But let's, let's, let's think about this after the show.
[06:22.960 --> 06:24.540]  Uh, but we've already gotten that.
[06:24.660 --> 06:28.060]  We, we announced this, uh, on May 24th, two days after our last show.
[06:28.220 --> 06:32.180]  So they've been about three weeks that have gone by since then, uh, where people have gotten together.
[06:32.280 --> 06:35.160]  Now, very interesting, uh, developments as far as this conference goes.
[06:35.160 --> 06:36.780]  First of all, it's set for next year.
[06:37.120 --> 06:37.840]  It's not even this year.
[06:38.200 --> 06:38.600]  So, uh, 2002.
[06:38.960 --> 06:39.020]  Yeah.
[06:39.480 --> 06:41.500]  All the day on the phone that the airlines making reservations.
[06:41.740 --> 06:42.460]  Now you can wait.
[06:43.040 --> 06:48.040]  Uh, it's, it's set for, uh, July 12th through 14th, 12, 13, and 14.
[06:48.440 --> 06:49.300]  Now here's the thing.
[06:49.420 --> 06:51.340]  It's going to be in the same place, the Hotel Pennsylvania.
[06:51.380 --> 06:52.860]  I know, I know what everyone's saying.
[06:52.980 --> 06:53.700]  I know what they're thinking.
[06:53.840 --> 06:58.400]  You know, massive crowds, people pushing and shoving, and there's not enough room for everything because it's too much to see.
[06:58.480 --> 06:59.200]  I'm thinking that.
[06:59.320 --> 06:59.480]  Yeah.
[06:59.760 --> 07:00.700]  Well, this is different.
[07:00.700 --> 07:02.780]  This is very different because guess what?
[07:02.900 --> 07:03.580]  How can it be different?
[07:03.800 --> 07:05.040]  Well, I'll tell you how it can be different.
[07:05.140 --> 07:10.680]  I asked the same question, but we had something like, uh, I'd say about 12,000 square feet total to work with.
[07:11.760 --> 07:13.220]  That's including those tiny rooms.
[07:13.400 --> 07:17.140]  Right upstairs and that we tried to, you know, placate people with.
[07:17.240 --> 07:17.820]  It didn't work at all.
[07:18.220 --> 07:20.420]  Uh, but, uh, we had about 12,000 square feet.
[07:20.520 --> 07:22.220]  It's about what we had the time before that too.
[07:22.900 --> 07:25.500]  However, the hotel has taken over a new space.
[07:26.320 --> 07:27.960]  What do you mean they've taken over a new space?
[07:28.120 --> 07:28.980]  Yeah, they're, they're branching out.
[07:29.080 --> 07:29.480]  They're the Hotel Pennsylvania.
[07:29.480 --> 07:32.180]  They've been there for, for almost a century now.
[07:32.320 --> 07:34.020]  They're nudging, they're nudging people out.
[07:34.200 --> 07:35.200]  They're nudging people away.
[07:35.500 --> 07:38.960]  And they took over this place called the Sports Authority, which was next door to it.
[07:39.240 --> 07:41.800]  Actually, I guess it used to be part of the hotel and it became the Sports Authority.
[07:41.800 --> 07:42.980]  Now it's part of the hotel again.
[07:43.660 --> 07:49.340]  That, that my friend adds an additional 35,000 square feet to the space that we're dealing with.
[07:49.520 --> 07:49.920]  Wow.
[07:50.200 --> 07:54.840]  So all of a sudden, all of a sudden the possibilities go through the ceiling, literally.
[07:55.260 --> 08:04.440]  Uh, we'll have the entire 18th floor and we'll have on the first floor street level, uh, an additional 35,000 square feet, uh, which we'll probably use for, for a massive type of a network.
[08:04.560 --> 08:13.960]  I'm thinking something along the lines, I know people are going to wince when they hear the word trade show, but a trade show without the trade, without the big, huge corporations.
[08:14.340 --> 08:22.640]  Instead, it'll be hackers, individual people showing off their wares, building, building huge networks out of, uh, mainframes and, and Commodore 64s and what have you.
[08:23.360 --> 08:25.960]  Enough room for everything you could possibly imagine.
[08:26.200 --> 08:27.940]  And there's a loading zone right there on the first floor.
[08:28.120 --> 08:33.100]  So, uh, no more going up and down the, the elevators to 18 and having to worry about that or carrying heavy things.
[08:33.260 --> 08:36.440]  Did, did they keep the glass from the, from the original retail place?
[08:36.460 --> 08:41.500]  Because if, you know, people walking down the avenue, just look inside and they see a bunch of hackers playing around with computers.
[08:41.700 --> 08:43.780]  Well, there will be a street, there will be a street entrance.
[08:44.000 --> 08:45.940]  So, uh, yeah, I guess, I guess they did keep it.
[08:46.060 --> 08:47.040]  And there's the escalators in there too.
[08:47.400 --> 08:47.960]  Very cool.
[08:48.060 --> 08:50.420]  But it will be the biggest hacker conference ever.
[08:50.440 --> 08:51.160]  I can guarantee that.
[08:51.380 --> 08:52.420]  And it will be most interesting too.
[08:52.820 --> 08:58.340]  So we're really looking forward to this and you may say, yeah, it's a, it's a good 13 months away, but, uh, this is the time to start planning.
[08:58.440 --> 09:03.600]  And we're also asking people on the website, we're asking people, uh, for their input for keynote speakers.
[09:04.240 --> 09:06.260]  Uh, maybe we'll even have more than one keynote speaker.
[09:06.340 --> 09:11.040]  So, uh, if you're interested in that, please email us at keynote at, uh, 2600.com.
[09:11.220 --> 09:12.020]  Can I be the keynote speaker?
[09:12.200 --> 09:16.140]  Uh, well, you can email that suggestion in and we'll, we'll give it all the value with my banner.
[09:16.920 --> 09:34.020]  Um, but also, uh, if, if people out there want to join the mailing list of, of, uh, folks who are discussing the conference, um, and starting to plan things out, uh, very simple way to join that simply email major domo, M-A-J-O-R-D-O-M-O at 2600.com in the first line of your message,
[09:34.140 --> 09:41.480]  not the subject, the first line of the message to simply type subscribe space H2K2, and obviously don't type the word space.
[09:42.180 --> 09:45.220]  And you'll get a little message back telling you what to do at that point.
[09:45.360 --> 09:48.160]  And hopefully you can figure it all out and then you'll, uh, you'll be a part of it.
[09:48.160 --> 09:48.860]  Jimmy, you have something to say.
[09:49.660 --> 10:00.360]  If we have that big glass, uh, frontage, why don't we run, uh, off the hook, uh, several hours as an internet radio show.
[10:00.360 --> 10:03.340]  We could walk around the street, interview people as they, they go up and down.
[10:03.640 --> 10:04.680]  Well, I'm not sure about that.
[10:04.680 --> 10:06.020]  Talk to the cops that come to see what we're doing.
[10:06.020 --> 10:09.900]  The simple answer is I'd like to attend the conference and not just sit there at a microphone all day.
[10:09.960 --> 10:12.980]  No, no, not all day, but I'm saying this thing is running three days.
[10:13.120 --> 10:14.680]  You'll get the 12 to 12 shift, Isaac.
[10:14.940 --> 10:15.980]  Friday, Saturday, Sunday?
[10:16.620 --> 10:17.840]  Uh, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, yes.
[10:18.160 --> 10:23.120]  We run, we run an hour every six hours or an hour every eight or 10 or 12 hours.
[10:24.120 --> 10:25.180]  We could do things like that.
[10:25.520 --> 10:26.300]  I think it's a great idea.
[10:26.400 --> 10:26.480]  Yeah.
[10:27.200 --> 10:28.540]  Well, um, okay.
[10:28.620 --> 10:32.080]  So we, we have all the H2K2, uh, business out of the way.
[10:32.220 --> 10:36.460]  If people have questions about that, of course, they can email us at the radio station, OTH at 2600.com.
[10:37.260 --> 10:38.640]  Uh, Isaac, what have you been doing the last three weeks?
[10:38.760 --> 10:39.440]  Anything of interest?
[10:39.700 --> 10:42.560]  The last three weeks, uh, eating, sleeping, things like that.
[10:42.600 --> 10:42.600]  Yeah.
[10:42.680 --> 10:47.020]  For, for one week, that's an acceptable answer, but for three weeks, you want something a little better than that.
[10:47.140 --> 10:48.180]  Um, honestly, not all that much.
[10:48.300 --> 10:53.660]  Just kind of working on, uh, some of my own projects, uh, a couple of clients that needed a hand.
[10:53.880 --> 10:55.100]  Uh, it's been sort of slow.
[10:55.340 --> 10:57.660]  I'm trying to get a decent air conditioner in my apartment.
[10:57.820 --> 10:57.980]  Mm-hmm.
[10:58.120 --> 11:01.980]  All the computers are really starting to heat it up, and, uh, it's getting uncomfortable.
[11:02.840 --> 11:05.300]  So if anyone has any suggestion for that, you know, please.
[11:05.660 --> 11:05.880]  Yeah.
[11:06.060 --> 11:12.900]  Well, we're finishing up the, um, the, uh, summer issue over at the 2600 headquarters, and hopefully that will be out in a couple of weeks.
[11:13.700 --> 11:17.500]  And, uh, of course, we're looking forward to HAL, hackers at large in, uh, Holland.
[11:17.600 --> 11:17.980]  You going into that?
[11:18.240 --> 11:19.120]  I, I hope to.
[11:19.280 --> 11:19.720]  How about you, Jim?
[11:20.240 --> 11:20.820]  Uh, no.
[11:21.020 --> 11:21.480]  No can do.
[11:22.040 --> 11:22.220]  Oh.
[11:22.520 --> 11:23.600]  Got to hop on a plane, though.
[11:24.280 --> 11:25.100]  Yeah, you got to hop on a plane.
[11:25.200 --> 11:25.680]  That's how it works.
[11:25.820 --> 11:27.880]  You know, it's, uh... Well, I considered rowing.
[11:28.700 --> 11:29.520]  It's going to be interesting.
[11:29.680 --> 11:30.420]  It's going to be a lot of fun.
[11:30.600 --> 11:38.180]  And if you want to, uh, get some ideas for H2K2, go to HAL, because you'll, uh, you'll see how people put up a network in the middle of a field.
[11:38.640 --> 11:44.560]  Actually, it's, it's by a college campus this time, so it won't be in the middle of the wilderness like last time, but it still will be, uh, very interesting.
[11:44.740 --> 11:47.460]  A lot of ingenuity, a lot of, uh, new things, and really cool people.
[11:47.560 --> 11:48.460]  I've seen some of the speakers there.
[11:48.940 --> 11:53.200]  Their website is, uh, www.hal2000.org.
[11:54.200 --> 11:55.300]  And, uh... 2001.
[11:55.840 --> 11:56.800]  I'm sorry, 2001.
[11:57.080 --> 11:57.840]  Well, I'm on the space.
[11:58.780 --> 11:59.100]  Yeah.
[11:59.320 --> 12:06.820]  Uh, so, um, if you're thinking of going to a conference this year, that's the one to go to, because, uh, it'll be a lot of fun.
[12:06.920 --> 12:07.720]  They always are fun there.
[12:07.800 --> 12:11.560]  In fact, I don't think we ever would have had a HOPE conference were it not for the Dutch conferences.
[12:12.300 --> 12:12.800]  You know?
[12:12.920 --> 12:13.840]  That was your inspiration?
[12:14.160 --> 12:15.180]  Yeah, it really was.
[12:15.440 --> 12:21.380]  Uh, 1989, Galactic Hacker Party, 1993, Hackers at the End of the Universe, and, well, 1994 was HOPE.
[12:21.400 --> 12:27.360]  And that was the first major, as in more than a thousand people showing up, uh, conference in the United States.
[12:27.500 --> 12:27.620]  Yep.
[12:28.060 --> 12:31.800]  And after that, just kind of, uh, kind of took off from that point.
[12:31.920 --> 12:33.440]  But the Dutch, they were doing it in 1989.
[12:33.860 --> 12:37.700]  So, uh, and, of course, the Chaos Communications Congress is going to take place every December in Germany.
[12:38.080 --> 12:40.660]  They've been going on since 1984, I believe.
[12:41.780 --> 12:42.100]  So...
[12:42.100 --> 12:43.100]  It's a lot of history there.
[12:43.160 --> 12:43.560]  A lot of history.
[12:43.580 --> 12:44.240]  You know how to do it.
[12:44.340 --> 12:47.400]  A lot of people coming from all different, uh, countries sharing, uh, technology.
[12:47.640 --> 12:48.680]  And you really learn quite a bit.
[12:49.860 --> 12:51.380]  Well, uh, what's been going on in the news lately?
[12:51.740 --> 12:52.600]  In the news.
[12:52.620 --> 12:53.660]  Yeah, I've been watching a lot of that.
[12:53.660 --> 12:55.160]  For the past three weeks there most recently.
[12:55.380 --> 12:55.740]  Let's see.
[12:55.740 --> 13:01.440]  Other than, of course, Timothy McVeigh biting the bullet, which, uh, you know, or rather... I'm sure you're going to somehow tie that into hacking.
[13:01.440 --> 13:05.700]  No, I have no intention of tying it in because I've just seen it everywhere and I'm getting sick and tired.
[13:05.700 --> 13:16.300]  I didn't see any news stories about hackers, uh, you know, hijacking the TV signal and, uh, and selling the video of him gasping his last breath or whatever.
[13:16.440 --> 13:16.780]  Not yet, anyway.
[13:17.240 --> 13:19.040]  But, uh... You can always send it to us.
[13:19.360 --> 13:19.800]  Sorry, what?
[13:19.920 --> 13:21.240]  You can always send us the video.
[13:21.460 --> 13:24.160]  Uh, we'll send Jim the video and we'll give out his address later.
[13:24.160 --> 13:29.360]  Well, about hackers breaking into things, uh, my favorite I think is, uh, California power companies.
[13:29.560 --> 13:29.900]  Okay.
[13:30.160 --> 13:30.540]  All right.
[13:30.700 --> 13:31.020]  All right.
[13:31.320 --> 13:31.820]  Stop right there.
[13:32.180 --> 13:32.900]  We'll blame it on the hackers.
[13:33.160 --> 13:33.760]  Stop right there.
[13:33.900 --> 13:34.040]  Okay.
[13:34.240 --> 13:34.420]  Yeah.
[13:34.720 --> 13:37.980]  You just, you just touched upon something that's really annoying me to death.
[13:38.500 --> 13:39.040]  All right.
[13:39.480 --> 13:45.400]  First, first we get a little story hinting that, uh, the California power authority was having some sort of trouble with their computers.
[13:45.560 --> 13:48.000]  Then the, the problem was because of hackers.
[13:48.200 --> 13:49.980]  Then it was coming from China.
[13:50.400 --> 13:52.200]  I mean, come on, where is it going to end, you know?
[13:52.340 --> 13:55.660]  And, uh, you know, they're going to blame Timothy McVeigh again.
[13:55.840 --> 13:56.400]  Or, uh...
[13:56.400 --> 13:58.480]  They're looking to dodge every single bullet they can.
[13:58.660 --> 14:00.860]  Sorry, folks, you're blacked out because of the hackers.
[14:01.060 --> 14:05.800]  I mean, it's, it's becoming ridiculous how much we're being asked to bear so far as the bad things in war.
[14:05.900 --> 14:08.380]  And this whole Chinese thing is really real.
[14:08.440 --> 14:11.480]  I mean, I haven't said anything up until now about it, but come on.
[14:11.580 --> 14:18.460]  Do you know a single person that, that, uh, went out and, and, and spontaneously attacked Chinese websites who isn't in the military already?
[14:18.840 --> 14:19.200]  No.
[14:19.400 --> 14:24.360]  We must have gotten something like 14 or 15 emails from people saying, you know, you guys are Americans first.
[14:24.460 --> 14:25.760]  You gotta strike out against our enemy.
[14:25.920 --> 14:27.700]  And we traced every single one of the IPs.
[14:27.780 --> 14:29.260]  They all came from dot mill addresses.
[14:29.520 --> 14:31.060]  Every single damn one of them.
[14:31.640 --> 14:33.020]  I don't know a single person.
[14:33.060 --> 14:37.620]  I don't know a single person in the hacker world that said, oh my God, what they're, what they're saying about the spy plane is horrible.
[14:37.740 --> 14:40.500]  We must defend our borders in our country and we must attack their website.
[14:41.060 --> 14:51.100]  The fact that the media jumped on this, the fact that the government turned a blind eye to it and everyone's sort of saying, you know, winking and saying, yeah, you know, it's okay to vandalize sites if it's, if it's done in the name of patriotism.
[14:51.320 --> 14:52.140]  It's disgusting.
[14:52.300 --> 14:58.400]  It's disgusting that they would think that, that, that we would be that naive and that we can be manipulated that easily to just do that kind of a thing.
[14:58.480 --> 15:03.180]  And I, and, and, and the thing that we heard before this was that people in China have no access to the internet.
[15:03.340 --> 15:09.260]  Well, if they have no access to the internet, how in the world are they invading the power companies and, and, and, and vandalizing websites all over the place?
[15:09.620 --> 15:15.200]  You know, supposedly there are these little hackers all over that are just spontaneously deciding to attack us because they don't like Look what we're saying.
[15:15.360 --> 15:16.320]  I mean, come on.
[15:16.840 --> 15:19.460]  Anybody with half a brain can see propaganda, you know?
[15:19.540 --> 15:20.360]  They can recognize it.
[15:21.480 --> 15:23.160]  So that's how I feel on that subject.
[15:23.280 --> 15:25.900]  And that's been bubbling under for a few weeks now.
[15:25.980 --> 15:26.440]  We can tell.
[15:27.660 --> 15:28.360]  You okay now?
[15:29.200 --> 15:30.040]  Yeah, I guess so.
[15:30.120 --> 15:30.480]  I guess so.
[15:30.480 --> 15:32.780]  But if I hear another story like this, I don't know what I'm going to say next.
[15:33.000 --> 15:34.300]  Well, you never can tell.
[15:35.380 --> 15:37.440]  Hackers hit California power grid computers.
[15:37.560 --> 15:38.600]  Yeah, I saw that right there.
[15:38.720 --> 15:39.820]  It's not our fault, folks.
[15:39.840 --> 15:40.680]  It's the hackers.
[15:41.680 --> 15:44.120]  This was very close to being a catastrophic breach.
[15:44.740 --> 15:47.260]  A source familiar with the attack said...
[15:47.260 --> 15:48.500]  Eject the warp car.
[15:49.140 --> 15:49.400]  Yeah.
[15:51.180 --> 15:51.740]  Okay.
[15:52.200 --> 15:53.020]  What else?
[15:53.200 --> 15:56.120]  Did you hear about the fake film critic that Sony manufactured?
[15:56.520 --> 15:57.120]  The what?
[15:57.520 --> 15:58.340]  Oh, this is a...
[15:58.340 --> 15:59.840]  They manufactured a film critic?
[15:59.840 --> 16:00.960]  This is a brilliant story here.
[16:01.520 --> 16:07.560]  Apparently, Sony was really into the idea of getting positive film reviews for their movies.
[16:08.020 --> 16:14.560]  So they actually conjured up a fake person and gave him a title on a real newspaper.
[16:15.220 --> 16:15.880]  That's right.
[16:16.860 --> 16:17.820]  David Manning.
[16:17.980 --> 16:21.260]  He was a reviewer from the Ridgefield Press, except he wasn't really...
[16:21.260 --> 16:22.700]  He wasn't really...
[16:22.700 --> 16:23.160]  He doesn't actually exist?
[16:23.260 --> 16:24.240]  He didn't exist at all.
[16:25.600 --> 16:32.120]  Basically, he was quoted as saying things like, this year's hottest new star for Heath Ledger in A Knight's Tale.
[16:32.420 --> 16:35.180]  And he gave a big thumbs up to Rob Schneider in The Animal.
[16:35.400 --> 16:36.400]  Another winner, he said.
[16:37.500 --> 16:41.600]  He's a character created to pump up Sony movies by the studio's marketing machine.
[16:41.600 --> 16:46.600]  Sony studio executives say they are shocked after learning that betting is a fake...
[16:46.600 --> 16:46.760]  They're shocked.
[16:46.900 --> 16:47.380]  They're shocked.
[16:47.580 --> 16:47.960]  Amazed.
[16:48.220 --> 16:49.560]  But they're the ones who made it up.
[16:49.680 --> 16:54.680]  I mean, someone in Sony made them up because they were the ones distributing the fake comments this person made.
[16:55.360 --> 17:02.380]  So, uh, Sony spokeswoman Susan Tick says, um, it was an incredibly foolish decision and we're horrified.
[17:02.380 --> 17:04.880]  We are looking into it and we'll take appropriate action.
[17:05.120 --> 17:07.120]  Like, laughing about it over beers later.
[17:08.080 --> 17:09.120]  It's pretty funny.
[17:09.120 --> 17:09.940]  It's disgusting.
[17:10.120 --> 17:10.520]  It's disgusting.
[17:10.720 --> 17:13.760]  Now, here, Tom Nash, this guy, this guy is fit to be tied.
[17:13.880 --> 17:15.480]  He's the publisher for the Ridgefield Press.
[17:15.880 --> 17:20.100]  Uh, it's a small Connecticut weekly where the mysterious Manning was supposedly employed.
[17:20.460 --> 17:27.120]  He said he became aware of the controversy more than a year ago, but initially thought it was only a mix-up with the review services paper uses.
[17:27.360 --> 17:28.020]  Wait, wait a second.
[17:28.480 --> 17:33.220]  He's sending checks to someone who doesn't exist and he didn't actually check that out No, I don't think he's sending checks.
[17:33.340 --> 17:35.340]  I think he saw the reviews with the guy's name.
[17:36.080 --> 17:38.200]  Like, uh, if you look at movie reviews...
[17:38.200 --> 17:39.880]  Does he have a desk at the non-existent paper?
[17:39.880 --> 17:40.640]  No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
[17:40.640 --> 17:40.820]  Listen.
[17:40.940 --> 17:46.840]  On the, uh, on advertisements, on buses, and in newspapers, you see people's names associated with the newspapers.
[17:47.000 --> 17:47.160]  Okay.
[17:47.900 --> 17:51.840]  Back in, back a couple of years ago, the late Paul Wunder here at WBAI, you'd see his name.
[17:51.860 --> 17:52.340]  Yeah, Paul Wunder.
[17:52.340 --> 17:53.200]  Actually, you know what?
[17:53.200 --> 17:53.800]  You didn't see his name.
[17:53.860 --> 17:58.020]  You just saw WBAI, but it would be Paul Wunder that would, uh, that would be making the, the film reviews.
[17:58.180 --> 17:59.980]  So, in some cases they give the name of the person.
[18:00.080 --> 18:02.840]  In this case, they gave the name of the person, except in this case, it wasn't the person.
[18:03.460 --> 18:10.320]  And they credited him working at the Ridgefield Press, but this guy realized there's no one there by that name and never fought it?
[18:10.320 --> 18:10.720]  Well, here's the thing.
[18:10.860 --> 18:12.260]  Nobody thought to investigate it.
[18:12.280 --> 18:19.760]  The only guy who could investigate it, the publisher of the Ridgefield Press, just thought it was a mix-up with the name, you know, that it was actually, you know, the...
[18:19.760 --> 18:20.660]  Oh, that's pretty funny.
[18:20.660 --> 18:21.900]  The Ridgetown Press or something.
[18:22.060 --> 18:24.100]  So he never investigated any further.
[18:24.460 --> 18:29.000]  And everybody else out there, like us, didn't think to investigate at all.
[18:29.000 --> 18:31.660]  It just goes to show that there's all kinds of subterfuge going on out there.
[18:32.140 --> 18:35.300]  And, you know, if you just investigate something a little bit, you'll probably find a scandal.
[18:35.400 --> 18:36.560]  You just have to start investigating.
[18:36.760 --> 18:41.060]  That's really got to be depressing for the guy who actually is the movie critic at the Ridgefield Press.
[18:41.240 --> 18:42.340]  I don't know if they have a movie critic.
[18:42.460 --> 18:48.060]  Maybe that's why... Well, I guess that's one way you can protect yourself is always have a movie critic, you know?
[18:48.200 --> 18:49.220]  It's kind of like having a lawyer.
[18:50.160 --> 19:00.880]  But it just goes to show you the scum that work for these megacorporations that sue us and the kinds of things that they do, the kinds of tactics they... I mean, can you imagine if we did something like that?
[19:01.160 --> 19:05.760]  I know... I know how we can turn this to our advantage.
[19:06.040 --> 19:07.520]  This wouldn't be a conspiracy on the air, would it?
[19:07.640 --> 19:08.400]  No, no, no.
[19:08.480 --> 19:08.660]  Okay.
[19:08.740 --> 19:09.360]  No, no.
[19:09.920 --> 19:18.980]  What we do is we find people who happen to share the names of, oh, I don't know, the head of Ford, the head of GM, somebody named John F.
[19:19.120 --> 19:28.220]  Kennedy, somebody named Franklin Delano Roosevelt, somebody named Ronald Reagan, and persuade them that hackers are good people, perform a useful service.
[19:28.500 --> 19:30.860]  Or just change our name to one of those names.
[19:30.940 --> 19:31.180]  Well, okay, yes.
[19:31.180 --> 19:32.700]  So we're out there must be willing to do that for us.
[19:32.760 --> 19:33.160]  Well, yeah.
[19:33.160 --> 19:33.920]  It's not much to ask.
[19:34.040 --> 19:35.360]  You can change it back afterwards, can't you?
[19:35.740 --> 19:36.300]  I don't know.
[19:36.300 --> 19:37.220]  It's a lot of paperwork.
[19:37.960 --> 19:38.880]  Yeah, it's a lot of paperwork.
[19:38.980 --> 19:40.140]  We'll help with the paperwork, you know?
[19:40.140 --> 19:41.540]  I mean, you know, John F.
[19:41.660 --> 19:43.420]  Kennedy, a press release.
[19:43.480 --> 19:45.680]  A quote from him isn't going to do you a whole lot of good these days.
[19:45.800 --> 19:46.220]  Well, okay.
[19:46.780 --> 19:48.040]  Ronald Reagan, a press release.
[19:48.100 --> 19:50.080]  And definitely a quote from him isn't going to do you any good.
[19:51.300 --> 19:52.060]  No question about that.
[19:52.060 --> 19:52.320]  George W.
[19:52.460 --> 19:52.620]  Bush?
[19:53.660 --> 19:56.280]  But let's just table the idea for now.
[19:56.280 --> 19:58.300]  It was an idea before we get too far in.
[19:58.660 --> 19:59.040]  All right.
[20:00.260 --> 20:00.700]  Let's see.
[20:00.700 --> 20:01.880]  We have some listener mail.
[20:01.960 --> 20:03.840]  We have a lot of listener mail, actually, that have been coming in.
[20:03.900 --> 20:09.180]  We're going to take some listener phone calls because they've been waiting patiently on the phone line for the last three weeks to get through.
[20:09.600 --> 20:10.700]  It's a long time on hold.
[20:10.820 --> 20:11.780]  It is a long time on hold.
[20:11.880 --> 20:12.840]  At least we've got music, though.
[20:13.040 --> 20:13.240]  Yeah.
[20:14.040 --> 20:14.960]  No, we don't have music.
[20:15.100 --> 20:18.320]  Actually, in fact, we don't put people on hold no matter what.
[20:18.460 --> 20:20.340]  We don't do that.
[20:20.640 --> 20:22.020]  When you call in, you're live.
[20:22.800 --> 20:23.440]  You're unscreened.
[20:23.900 --> 20:24.840]  And that's the way it goes.
[20:24.940 --> 20:25.340]  We're even better.
[20:25.400 --> 20:27.040]  We don't even answer until...
[20:27.980 --> 20:30.020]  It just keeps ringing until we want to listen to you.
[20:30.180 --> 20:34.760]  Well, it keeps ringing until we pick up the phones, which usually is about 825, so about six minutes from now.
[20:34.760 --> 20:35.180]  We're doing pretty well.
[20:35.520 --> 20:36.680]  So we're saved, huh?
[20:36.840 --> 20:38.280]  Did you see that sign out there in the lobby?
[20:38.700 --> 20:39.660]  Thanks for saving WBAI.
[20:39.660 --> 20:41.500]  I can see it from here, you know?
[20:41.600 --> 20:42.780]  It's like staring me in the face.
[20:43.400 --> 20:46.600]  I didn't know we were on the way to hell.
[20:48.060 --> 20:49.980]  Apparently somebody stepped in and saved us.
[20:50.680 --> 20:51.340]  Well, that's nice of them.
[20:51.500 --> 20:51.680]  Yeah.
[20:52.620 --> 20:52.920]  Okay.
[20:53.120 --> 20:56.920]  Well, if that thanks is directed at me, which right now it is, because I'm looking at it.
[20:57.480 --> 21:00.100]  Actually, it's saving WBAI Paul underneath it.
[21:00.600 --> 21:03.740]  So I guess that's Paul Williams, because he does a lot around here.
[21:04.200 --> 21:04.900]  He's a name, Paul.
[21:05.080 --> 21:05.300]  Yeah.
[21:05.500 --> 21:06.600]  I hope it's Paul Williams.
[21:07.080 --> 21:09.840]  And then there's a lot of other names underneath that, but I can barely see it from here.
[21:10.060 --> 21:13.820]  So it's an interesting thing to be looking at, because usually we don't have a sign there.
[21:15.220 --> 21:17.600]  But anyway, that's what's new around here.
[21:17.740 --> 21:19.980]  It's a big banner in the lobby.
[21:20.740 --> 21:21.840]  Here's some listener mail.
[21:22.540 --> 21:30.020]  You may have heard about the recent class action lawsuits settled against Johnson & Johnson, among others, regarding the longevity of daily contact lenses.
[21:30.340 --> 21:31.100]  Did you hear about this?
[21:31.220 --> 21:31.600]  Yes, I did.
[21:32.080 --> 21:32.420]  You did?
[21:32.560 --> 21:32.740]  Okay.
[21:32.900 --> 21:35.640]  Well, I've heard that there was some question about it, and that the suit was pending.
[21:35.760 --> 21:36.580]  I didn't know it was decided.
[21:36.780 --> 21:42.140]  Well, in any event, there's a phone number at the bottom of a particular web page having to do with this.
[21:43.140 --> 21:44.220]  And we're going to call that number.
[21:44.720 --> 21:47.420]  We're going to call it right now, because we're told that something interesting happens.
[21:48.900 --> 21:49.840]  Something always interesting.
[21:50.040 --> 21:50.800]  Something interesting always happens.
[21:50.800 --> 21:51.120]  You know what happens?
[21:51.400 --> 21:54.760]  They change the phone number in the time that I check it and the time that I call.
[21:54.960 --> 21:58.180]  Like, you know, within a half hour, they change the phone number, or they change what it does.
[21:58.360 --> 21:58.960]  They know you're coming.
[21:59.100 --> 21:59.260]  Yeah.
[21:59.260 --> 21:59.280]  Yeah.
[22:01.240 --> 22:03.940]  Well, they know BAI's caller ID, but that's okay.
[22:04.200 --> 22:04.780]  Let's see what happens.
[22:33.890 --> 22:34.610]  Isn't that interesting?
[22:34.810 --> 22:35.550]  He just doesn't answer.
[22:35.930 --> 22:37.050]  That's... You see what I see?
[22:37.230 --> 22:37.830]  You see what I mean?
[22:38.030 --> 22:40.810]  Every time, every time we try this, something like this happens.
[22:42.790 --> 22:43.230]  All right.
[22:45.430 --> 22:46.330]  We're going to try it later.
[22:46.510 --> 22:47.330]  We'll keep it on.
[22:47.430 --> 22:48.010]  Maybe it'll pick up.
[22:48.110 --> 22:49.430]  Maybe, uh... It's kind of hypnotic.
[22:50.790 --> 22:52.590]  I swear, I must be cursed or something.
[22:54.190 --> 22:54.870]  You know what I'm going to do?
[22:54.910 --> 22:55.890]  I'm going to put this one on hold.
[22:56.950 --> 22:57.310]  There.
[22:57.390 --> 22:57.850]  It's on hold.
[22:57.970 --> 22:59.050]  Well, they put us on hold enough.
[22:59.190 --> 23:00.350]  We ought to be able to...
[23:00.350 --> 23:08.890]  Now I'm going to dial the number again and jump over to the second line, which maybe will answer.
[23:08.990 --> 23:14.470]  Sometimes what happens is, you know, if you get a ring at a company that's supposed to answer, sometimes the first line is bad.
[23:14.630 --> 23:15.650]  Then you jump to the second.
[23:15.650 --> 23:16.410]  The second line is good.
[23:16.610 --> 23:17.090]  In the hung group.
[23:17.270 --> 23:17.330]  Yep.
[23:17.370 --> 23:17.530]  Yeah.
[23:18.210 --> 23:19.310]  So now we're ringing the second line.
[23:22.860 --> 23:26.900]  You have reached the Enri Contact Lens Antitrust Litigation Hotline.
[23:26.900 --> 23:27.380]  I'm a genius.
[23:27.700 --> 23:39.460]  Hotline, when fully operational, will provide class members with information regarding the settlement, the benefits package that will be available to eligible class members, and the procedures approved by the court to register for those benefits.
[23:39.880 --> 23:43.740]  We expect this hotline at the same number to be operational shortly.
[23:44.080 --> 23:56.100]  In the meantime, please stay on the line to leave your name and address if you would like to receive an information packet that will provide more details about the settlement, including information about how to register for the Johnson & Johnson benefits package.
[23:56.460 --> 24:00.940]  Please be patient as we expect that it will be several weeks before those packets are mailed.
[24:00.940 --> 24:02.220]  Thank you for calling.
[24:02.560 --> 24:06.140]  Please enter your 10-digit home telephone number, beginning with area code.
[24:06.280 --> 24:07.240]  Okay, this is the fun part.
[24:10.450 --> 24:13.430]  We're going to enter NBC's home phone number.
[24:16.920 --> 24:17.700]  Thank you.
[24:18.120 --> 24:27.120]  Please confirm that your name is and your address is 30 Rockefeller PLZ in the city of New York, New York 10112.
[24:27.480 --> 24:29.680]  If this is correct, press 1.
[24:29.880 --> 24:32.260]  If this is incorrect, press 2.
[24:32.340 --> 24:33.200]  Would you like to try somebody else?
[24:33.200 --> 24:33.880]  Isn't this convenient?
[24:34.520 --> 24:35.460]  Isn't this very convenient?
[24:35.640 --> 24:40.360]  Now, you can look up people all over the place, whether or not they have an unlisted phone number.
[24:41.340 --> 24:42.340]  That's very convenient.
[24:42.380 --> 24:47.200]  As long as they're in a particular marketing database, you can have their name.
[24:47.480 --> 24:48.720]  I didn't read back the name, if you notice.
[24:48.880 --> 24:52.220]  I skipped over that for some reason, but probably because it wasn't a first, last name field.
[24:52.320 --> 24:53.160]  It was just a company field.
[24:54.000 --> 24:59.600]  But I've used this against, I shouldn't say against, but I've used this looking up people.
[24:59.720 --> 25:00.780]  Okay, different verb there.
[25:00.820 --> 25:02.220]  I wasn't trying to do anything.
[25:02.220 --> 25:03.440]  I just wanted to see if they were in there.
[25:03.600 --> 25:06.160]  And yeah, they were in there with their address and everything.
[25:06.400 --> 25:07.440]  So thank you, Johnson & Johnson.
[25:07.580 --> 25:09.000]  You just made things a whole lot worse.
[25:09.160 --> 25:11.760]  It's a reverse directory that you can access anywhere, anytime.
[25:11.920 --> 25:12.780]  On an 800 number, too.
[25:12.860 --> 25:17.260]  And it's a reverse directory that doesn't play by the phone company rules because they have unlisted phone numbers.
[25:17.360 --> 25:17.780]  I like it.
[25:17.980 --> 25:22.520]  1-888-437-1294 is the telephone number.
[25:22.680 --> 25:26.080]  And I'm sure that'll be getting a lot of business in the next, here you go.
[25:28.100 --> 25:30.960]  So you can call all the people whose phone numbers you have.
[25:31.000 --> 25:31.960]  You want to know who they belong to.
[25:33.080 --> 25:36.860]  Yeah, it's just another way corporate America makes life more fun.
[25:37.820 --> 25:39.100]  Okay, more listener mail.
[25:39.100 --> 25:39.940]  Let's see what we have here.
[25:41.060 --> 25:42.080]  Oh, yes.
[25:42.080 --> 25:42.860]  Another news item.
[25:42.960 --> 25:45.320]  Did you hear about Cayo versus the United States?
[25:45.960 --> 25:46.460]  Tell me.
[25:46.820 --> 25:47.820]  All right, Supreme Court decision.
[25:48.120 --> 25:59.560]  Basically, this fellow was under investigation from the police and they used a thermal imaging camera against his house to see if they could find the kinds of lamps that would grow pot.
[25:59.760 --> 26:00.680]  Actually, I did hear about this.
[26:00.720 --> 26:03.360]  I believe the Supreme Court said that you need a warrant for that kind of thing.
[26:03.360 --> 26:13.900]  You need a warrant that it's an actual invasive search and that the collection of radiated emissions of this kind are protected by the Fourth Amendment.
[26:13.940 --> 26:16.440]  Yeah, you can see what everybody is doing inside the house.
[26:16.560 --> 26:17.840]  Watch them move around.
[26:17.980 --> 26:18.640]  They're thermal images.
[26:18.740 --> 26:19.460]  Not exactly.
[26:19.700 --> 26:20.740]  I mean, the thermal imaging camera...
[26:20.740 --> 26:21.080]  I don't know if you have Patriot Games.
[26:21.180 --> 26:21.860]  I know this kind of thing.
[26:22.560 --> 26:26.240]  The camera they were using basically just presented a...
[26:26.240 --> 26:31.360]  It looks like a color map of temperature on the outside wall because it can't see inside.
[26:31.360 --> 26:39.380]  But what the court was really looking to do was prevent some of these later technologies which could peer through walls.
[26:39.600 --> 26:45.140]  I mean, if you want to go to x-ray, you can start talking like that for something present but entirely unwieldy.
[26:45.260 --> 26:51.600]  But for something simple that could look through the wall, they're looking to prevent that, give you the Fourth Amendment protection.
[26:51.980 --> 26:59.300]  And for some of the more interested listeners, in the ascent is Scalia, and in the dissent on this one was Stevens.
[26:59.300 --> 27:03.400]  So, you see who's really looking out for your privacy, aren't you?
[27:03.560 --> 27:07.860]  I don't know if I can bet on any of those people to actually look out for anything.
[27:09.360 --> 27:09.940]  Okay.
[27:09.940 --> 27:11.200]  Here's interesting news.
[27:11.400 --> 27:26.420]  A new line of business software introduced today by AltaVista will let workers scour corporate networks, email accounts, and personal computers by stitching together valuable and sometimes embarrassing information scattered on far-flung office systems.
[27:27.080 --> 27:30.840]  AltaVista hails the new product as a desirable tool for increasing productivity.
[27:31.160 --> 27:39.240]  A prominent computer privacy expert said it could backfire, hurting employee morale by making it easier to fish out personal emails and other sensitive data stored on hard drives.
[27:39.380 --> 27:42.740]  The software also could raise legal issues and create new security headaches.
[27:42.980 --> 27:49.040]  This could open a real Pandora's box, said Greg Williams, an attorney who specializes in employment law for Fenwick & West in Palo Alto.
[27:49.280 --> 27:52.940]  There are some private things on office computers that you really don't want to know about.
[27:54.000 --> 27:55.960]  Well, you really don't want others to know about.
[27:58.360 --> 27:58.760]  Basically...
[27:58.760 --> 27:59.580]  It depends on the office computer.
[27:59.840 --> 28:02.540]  Yeah, well, AltaVista says businesses will be able to tailor the software.
[28:02.740 --> 28:04.700]  Yeah, you're not going to tailor it just right.
[28:04.860 --> 28:04.980]  Right.
[28:05.280 --> 28:08.520]  So certain areas in the office's computing systems remain off-limits.
[28:08.640 --> 28:12.120]  The number of employees able to search the master index also can be restricted.
[28:12.120 --> 28:18.060]  The software will use the same patented technology that has made AltaVista's website one of the world's most popular online search engines.
[28:18.520 --> 28:26.300]  The company said the search software received positive feedback in test runs by several companies, including, well, including companies that don't really matter, I guess.
[28:27.720 --> 28:28.640]  Johnson & Johnson.
[28:28.880 --> 28:29.900]  No, Johnson & Johnson's not there.
[28:30.000 --> 28:30.520]  I was looking for them.
[28:33.020 --> 28:34.020]  But you've got to wonder.
[28:34.240 --> 28:36.980]  Well, it goes back to just who owns corporate information.
[28:36.980 --> 28:42.200]  If it's on a corporate computer, is it you, the worker, who owns the information, or is it the corporation's information?
[28:42.280 --> 28:45.380]  Well, they're going to say, obviously, they're going to say that, yeah, the corporation owns all the information.
[28:45.380 --> 28:46.880]  It's kind of been decided at this point.
[28:46.880 --> 28:52.720]  But, uh, there's liable to be some information there that the corporation doesn't really want people to be able to see easily as well.
[28:52.940 --> 28:53.480]  I imagine.
[28:53.920 --> 28:55.640]  So it could very easily backfire on them, too.
[28:55.740 --> 28:55.920]  Sure.
[28:56.560 --> 29:02.220]  It's, um, I don't know, I think it's like a variation on what Napster's all about, where you're looking for things.
[29:02.220 --> 29:08.520]  You're looking for files that someone might not want you to look at, but who owns the files, you know?
[29:08.700 --> 29:10.380]  Who's actually the guilty party here?
[29:10.480 --> 29:10.660]  Hmm.
[29:11.340 --> 29:13.700]  So, uh, same basic argument, different playing field.
[29:14.120 --> 29:14.260]  Hmm.
[29:14.260 --> 29:17.500]  Um, okay, uh, let's see here.
[29:18.440 --> 29:19.220]  Uh, deal off the hook.
[29:19.320 --> 29:20.960]  I've been reading 2600 since I was 13.
[29:20.960 --> 29:22.660]  I'm 21 now, and I still love it.
[29:22.720 --> 29:23.240]  I admire it.
[29:23.400 --> 29:26.940]  The past few months, I have been getting together, trying to start a non-profit zine.
[29:27.140 --> 29:29.020]  I know you guys are very busy, but I was looking for help.
[29:29.100 --> 29:34.880]  I am 100% dedicated to getting this up and running, and, uh, I'm, uh, I'm looking to be pointed in the right direction.
[29:35.520 --> 29:36.840]  Uh, mostly looking for advice.
[29:36.940 --> 29:37.660]  Anything would help out?
[29:38.640 --> 29:39.280]  Um, well...
[29:39.280 --> 29:40.000]  I have advice.
[29:40.100 --> 29:40.560]  Okay, go ahead.
[29:40.720 --> 29:41.260]  Don't bother.
[29:41.420 --> 29:44.180]  Just subscribe to 2600, and let every one of your friends subscribe.
[29:44.260 --> 29:45.800]  As well, and you'll, you'll, you'll...
[29:45.800 --> 29:46.600]  It's a lot easier.
[29:46.700 --> 29:49.180]  That is the difference between your perspective and my perspective.
[29:49.420 --> 29:55.440]  I would be happy if there were, if there were dozens, dozens of, of, of zines out there covering the kinds of things that, that we cover.
[29:55.940 --> 29:58.060]  You'll have your fingers crossed when you say you're only joking.
[29:58.880 --> 29:59.820]  I mean, come on.
[30:00.300 --> 30:01.200]  They can't see that.
[30:01.200 --> 30:01.980]  I can, though.
[30:01.980 --> 30:02.020]  It's radio.
[30:02.180 --> 30:02.520]  I can.
[30:02.560 --> 30:04.520]  I'm looking straight at you, which I don't usually do.
[30:04.840 --> 30:05.900]  Today is an exception.
[30:08.520 --> 30:14.020]  Anyway, um, what I would suggest is, uh, is basically start off small.
[30:14.260 --> 30:19.740]  Because unless you have major backing, uh, it's, uh, it's something that, uh, you have to grow into.
[30:19.820 --> 30:22.940]  You can't just start, uh, start big, expect to sell on newsstands, things like that.
[30:23.040 --> 30:23.940]  Start with something small.
[30:24.080 --> 30:27.420]  We, when 2600 started, we only, uh, printed a couple of dozen copies.
[30:27.420 --> 30:31.380]  What was an eight and a half, eleven, eight and a half by eleven, three sheets of paper with holes punched in them.
[30:31.600 --> 30:33.980]  And that's how we survived for about three years.
[30:34.600 --> 30:38.820]  And, uh, took that long to get subscriber base up so that we could actually do something a little better.
[30:39.380 --> 30:46.960]  Um, but, you know, rather than pour money into something that you're not sure will work in the first place, or if you want to continue doing it for years, you know, you might lose interest.
[30:46.960 --> 30:51.000]  You might, uh, you might find something else to do, you know, anything can happen.
[30:51.180 --> 30:59.000]  So, so basically start off with what you can manage and, um, and, and figure out ways to, to just continue to come out no matter what.
[30:59.000 --> 31:00.780]  You're going to put money into it, you know.
[31:00.860 --> 31:04.800]  You're going to, uh, it's not something that's going to take care of itself for a while.
[31:04.940 --> 31:05.060]  Right.
[31:05.600 --> 31:08.060]  Um, so, uh, don't expect any immediate payoff.
[31:08.340 --> 31:12.260]  A lot of hard hours, long, hard work, long hours is what I meant to say.
[31:13.920 --> 31:15.640]  And, uh, it, it, it is valuable.
[31:15.800 --> 31:16.580]  It's a valuable experience.
[31:16.700 --> 31:16.920]  Oh, certainly.
[31:16.920 --> 31:17.440]  No question about it.
[31:18.200 --> 31:20.920]  But, uh, yeah, we definitely support the idea of lots of zines like that.
[31:20.960 --> 31:24.360]  Well, I would encourage them to really think about who their intended audience is.
[31:24.700 --> 31:24.740]  Mm-hmm.
[31:24.860 --> 31:29.580]  And, uh, decide if print media is the best method for that, uh, that sort of distribution.
[31:29.940 --> 31:30.000]  Mm-hmm.
[31:30.000 --> 31:31.580]  I mean, we are in the internet age.
[31:31.700 --> 31:36.840]  If you set up a really, you know, really nice website, you can reach a lot more people.
[31:37.180 --> 31:42.180]  And, uh, perhaps then have a print, like a newsletter related to the website on top of that.
[31:42.180 --> 31:43.480]  If you really want to get into print.
[31:43.820 --> 31:43.860]  Mm-hmm.
[31:43.980 --> 31:48.240]  But, uh, you know, get, get an idea of who you're trying to reach and what the best way to do that would be.
[31:49.200 --> 31:49.460]  Right.
[31:49.600 --> 31:50.320]  And let's know what happens.
[31:50.400 --> 31:51.240]  And send us a copy, too.
[31:51.340 --> 31:51.800]  I'd like to see it.
[31:51.840 --> 31:52.240]  Yeah, please do.
[31:52.660 --> 31:56.420]  Um, okay, dear, off the hook, I'm still waiting for my complete set of back issues from the January fundraiser.
[31:56.500 --> 31:57.160]  How long...
[31:57.160 --> 31:57.740]  You haven't sent those out yet.
[31:57.760 --> 31:58.140]  ...take to ship?
[31:58.220 --> 31:59.180]  Okay, well, let me tell you.
[31:59.260 --> 32:00.340]  I'll, I'll be very honest here.
[32:00.380 --> 32:03.580]  We've been waiting for the names that we're supposed to get so that we can send them out.
[32:03.660 --> 32:04.980]  We still haven't gotten those names.
[32:05.540 --> 32:14.460]  Uh, what I'm gonna do, if I don't get the names in the next couple of days, and I have been asking, you know, a lot, um, we'll simply bring it all in here and we can send it out from the radio station.
[32:14.560 --> 32:22.540]  But, again, we're gonna have to bring the van in filled with, uh, material because we gave away every single videotape from H2K and every single back issue we ever put out and quite a few of those.
[32:22.540 --> 32:22.980]  That's really heavy.
[32:23.080 --> 32:23.920]  It's really heavy.
[32:23.940 --> 32:26.000]  And it's gonna be expensive to, uh, to mail it out.
[32:26.040 --> 32:28.200]  I think I'm not gonna be in the area that day.
[32:28.340 --> 32:30.160]  Uh, you're gonna be in the area that day because...
[32:30.160 --> 32:32.100]  No, no, I'll, I'll be in Australia or something.
[32:32.100 --> 32:35.440]  We'll find you and we'll, we'll, we'll find a bunch of people and we'll, we'll take care of that.
[32:35.580 --> 32:39.640]  But, uh, I'm, I'm hereby promising this will be resolved one way or the other by next week.
[32:39.700 --> 32:44.060]  And for those people who are still waiting for, uh, things from the fall fundraiser, that's my fault.
[32:44.700 --> 32:50.080]  Uh, because, uh, well, we sent, we sent people things already, but, uh, we were supposed to send them the Jell-O-B offer CD.
[32:50.300 --> 32:53.280]  And I've, uh, I've been a little lax getting a hold of the people to send us the CDs.
[32:53.520 --> 32:59.040]  But we have your names and, uh, we are sending those out as soon as we get the CDs, which hopefully will be in the next week as well.
[32:59.260 --> 32:59.460]  Okay.
[32:59.780 --> 33:02.780]  Uh, if you want to ask about the spring fundraiser, don't ask now.
[33:02.780 --> 33:05.520]  I'm asking about a week or so after we get this one ironed out.
[33:05.800 --> 33:07.480]  But, uh, we haven't forgotten.
[33:07.700 --> 33:08.600]  We never forget.
[33:09.320 --> 33:10.260]  Okay, you're off the hook.
[33:10.320 --> 33:16.540]  I recently just got around to listening to the, uh, May 1st off the hook show and was dismayed to hear about AutoJack's run-in with the DEA agents on his flight.
[33:17.220 --> 33:28.220]  Uh, here as compiled for, uh, constitutional civil rights, uh, constitutional rights lawyer David Cole in Insight are reasons the DEA has actually given in court for targeting people.
[33:28.220 --> 33:31.420]  So, all right, this, this might make you feel a little better if you're targeted.
[33:31.760 --> 33:35.100]  These are actual reasons that the, uh, drug enforcement agency has given.
[33:35.380 --> 33:40.500]  And if you're traveling, you might want to consider if any of these apply to you and take, uh, the appropriate action.
[33:41.740 --> 33:42.960]  Arrived in the afternoon.
[33:44.920 --> 33:46.760]  Was one of the first to deplane.
[33:47.460 --> 33:47.920]  Oh, wow.
[33:48.360 --> 33:50.160]  Was one of the last to deplane.
[33:51.360 --> 33:52.600]  Deplaned in the middle.
[33:54.000 --> 33:56.240]  Uh, purchased ticket at the airport.
[33:56.740 --> 33:58.740]  Made reservation on short notice.
[33:59.460 --> 34:00.520]  Bought coach ticket.
[34:01.000 --> 34:02.220]  Bought first class ticket.
[34:02.360 --> 34:02.640]  Wait a second.
[34:02.760 --> 34:03.780]  Bought coach ticket?
[34:03.920 --> 34:04.080]  Yeah.
[34:04.960 --> 34:05.700]  Okay, keep going.
[34:05.820 --> 34:06.780]  Bought first class ticket.
[34:07.120 --> 34:08.440]  Used one-way ticket.
[34:08.680 --> 34:09.740]  Carried no luggage.
[34:09.940 --> 34:10.840]  Carried small bag.
[34:10.980 --> 34:12.320]  Carried a medium-sized bag.
[34:12.500 --> 34:13.920]  Carried two bulky garment bags.
[34:14.040 --> 34:15.120]  Carried two heavy suitcases.
[34:15.280 --> 34:16.360]  Carried four pieces of luggage.
[34:16.560 --> 34:17.840]  Disassociated self from luggage.
[34:18.100 --> 34:19.000]  Traveled alone.
[34:19.000 --> 34:20.400]  Traveled with a companion.
[34:20.660 --> 34:21.820]  Suspect was Hispanic.
[34:22.140 --> 34:23.540]  Suspect was a black female.
[34:23.940 --> 34:24.780]  Seemed too nervous.
[34:25.140 --> 34:26.020]  Seemed too calm.
[34:26.260 --> 34:27.440]  Walked quickly through the airport.
[34:27.720 --> 34:28.980]  Walked slowly through the airport.
[34:29.280 --> 34:30.980]  Walked aimlessly through the airport.
[34:32.660 --> 34:33.520]  Good God.
[34:33.700 --> 34:34.720]  So now that we've pinpointed...
[34:34.720 --> 34:37.000]  Take a damn bus, for God's sake.
[34:37.160 --> 34:38.160]  Stay away from these people.
[34:38.380 --> 34:44.100]  Now that we've pinpointed 99.999% of the flying public, who's the last .001?
[34:44.820 --> 34:46.100]  The pilot, I think.
[34:46.400 --> 34:48.800]  And he's probably the one smuggling the drugs in the first place.
[34:49.700 --> 34:50.080]  All right.
[34:50.200 --> 34:50.700]  Let's take some phone calls.
[34:50.780 --> 34:53.120]  212-209-2900 is our phone number.
[34:53.200 --> 34:57.760]  And we'd like to hear from the people out there that we haven't heard from in such a long time.
[34:57.920 --> 35:01.480]  I'm sure there are things that we're forgetting to mention that have happened in the last few weeks.
[35:01.580 --> 35:03.280]  So please remind us.
[35:03.280 --> 35:06.180]  And we'll be happy to update you on what's going on.
[35:06.180 --> 35:09.380]  I don't remember what I was doing yesterday, let alone what I've been doing for the past three weeks.
[35:09.600 --> 35:10.660]  Yeah, that's your alibi, huh?
[35:11.140 --> 35:11.640]  Yeah, yeah.
[35:11.680 --> 35:12.420]  And I'll stand by it.
[35:18.840 --> 35:20.040]  Evening, whatever it might be.
[35:20.160 --> 35:20.540]  Yes, go ahead.
[35:21.040 --> 35:21.880]  It's always morning somewhere.
[35:22.240 --> 35:32.420]  Anyway, I wanted to say that I heard on NPR that the Richfield Press runs a father-son film interview team.
[35:32.960 --> 35:42.040]  And neither of them had the brightness to bring this out or look at the paper and say, geez, I don't know what this guy is talking about.
[35:42.800 --> 35:48.600]  It had to be brought to them before they said, well, you know, no, that guy doesn't work here.
[35:49.280 --> 35:54.680]  You know, you've got to wonder about the lights on people.
[35:55.100 --> 35:55.500]  Yeah.
[35:55.600 --> 35:58.320]  They're getting at full wattage or just they're not getting enough.
[35:58.760 --> 36:01.600]  Yeah, well, you know, the wool is very easily pulled over people's eyes.
[36:01.600 --> 36:02.640]  There's no question about that.
[36:03.240 --> 36:04.980]  And it just goes to show, you have to keep looking out.
[36:05.120 --> 36:08.020]  You don't have to assume everything you're told is a lie, even down to a film review.
[36:08.460 --> 36:08.620]  Yeah.
[36:10.240 --> 36:20.940]  And, you know, that goes for all this BS that we keep hearing over and over again when Timothy McVeigh got executed.
[36:21.840 --> 36:24.700]  Oh, well, you know, it was too good for him.
[36:24.760 --> 36:26.840]  And I was like, that man's dead.
[36:28.040 --> 36:33.300]  Whether he got hit in the head with a hammer or he gave drugs into his husband that killed him, he's still dead.
[36:34.540 --> 36:35.280]  Dead is dead.
[36:35.280 --> 36:36.260]  He doesn't get up again.
[36:37.080 --> 36:37.400]  Anyway.
[36:37.400 --> 36:38.260]  Well, that's a good point.
[36:38.440 --> 36:38.880]  Have a good night.
[36:39.040 --> 36:39.820]  Thanks for calling.
[36:39.900 --> 36:43.120]  You know, while that caller was talking, I noticed something about our phone lines.
[36:43.200 --> 36:44.280]  They seem to be totally broken.
[36:45.400 --> 36:46.740]  I see something moving.
[36:46.980 --> 36:48.780]  There's a single call that keeps moving down.
[36:49.660 --> 36:51.520]  But that was the only call that was lit.
[36:52.800 --> 36:55.400]  So it's like all the lines are broken except for one.
[36:55.600 --> 36:56.240]  And that's...
[36:56.240 --> 36:56.780]  Can you ask...
[36:56.780 --> 36:57.600]  You're online right now.
[36:57.860 --> 36:58.420]  I'm online.
[36:58.520 --> 37:00.660]  Can you ask people to call in and see if they're getting a busy signal?
[37:00.760 --> 37:02.320]  Because I assume we...
[37:02.320 --> 37:08.360]  I don't think our listeners have completely been so disenfranchised that they never came back to hear our show.
[37:08.640 --> 37:09.960]  We usually have a full switchboard.
[37:10.040 --> 37:10.980]  You know, we have cell phones.
[37:11.580 --> 37:12.060]  Yeah, I know.
[37:12.100 --> 37:13.040]  But I'm on the radio right now.
[37:13.100 --> 37:14.980]  I'm not going to take a break to make a cell phone call.
[37:15.620 --> 37:17.160]  So if you could just ask people...
[37:17.160 --> 37:18.580]  You're on the IRC channel, right?
[37:18.660 --> 37:19.920]  So you can just ask.
[37:20.060 --> 37:30.780]  By the way, if you want to join the IRC, and you're out there and listening to the radio isn't enough, all you have to do is jump on IRC and use the server IRC.2600.net.
[37:31.080 --> 37:32.280]  And the channel is...
[37:32.280 --> 37:33.340]  What is the channel that you're in, Isaac?
[37:33.680 --> 37:35.160]  Pound Off the Hook, one word.
[37:35.360 --> 37:36.460]  One word, Pound Off the Hook.
[37:37.040 --> 37:41.700]  And that's where people gather to say all kinds of things that we don't see because we're busy doing the show.
[37:43.140 --> 37:45.460]  Okay, I see a couple of lights.
[37:46.040 --> 37:47.180]  I see more lights now.
[37:47.300 --> 37:47.740]  There you go.
[37:47.840 --> 37:48.340]  Give it a try.
[37:49.220 --> 37:50.600]  You mean nobody was calling?
[37:50.600 --> 37:51.500]  I have no idea.
[37:51.600 --> 37:52.480]  No, you see, look at these lights.
[37:52.560 --> 37:52.940]  They're weird.
[37:53.040 --> 37:53.480]  They're moving.
[37:54.080 --> 37:54.840]  They're moving across.
[37:54.880 --> 37:55.580]  They started over there.
[37:55.580 --> 37:56.380]  It's like whack-a-mole.
[37:56.480 --> 37:58.120]  You've got to hit the button before it goes away.
[37:58.300 --> 38:00.260]  Something really bizarre is going on with these phones.
[38:00.960 --> 38:02.640]  Okay, I don't know where to go right now.
[38:02.780 --> 38:03.160]  Well, let's pick one.
[38:03.220 --> 38:03.700]  These phones are ringing.
[38:03.800 --> 38:04.540]  I've never seen ring before.
[38:04.600 --> 38:05.160]  I'm going to go over here.
[38:06.000 --> 38:06.440]  Good evening.
[38:06.460 --> 38:06.880]  You're on the air.
[38:07.420 --> 38:09.520]  Hi, this is Elaine Kimmel in New York.
[38:09.520 --> 38:12.080]  I got through just responding to your call.
[38:20.620 --> 38:21.540]  Anything else you want to say?
[38:22.500 --> 38:23.720]  No, you guys are great.
[38:23.960 --> 38:27.860]  And I went to the last two Hope shows.
[38:28.160 --> 38:28.360]  Uh-huh.
[38:28.460 --> 38:30.160]  And I plan to come to the next one.
[38:30.300 --> 38:31.360]  Okay, we'll look forward to seeing you there.
[38:31.620 --> 38:31.900]  Beautiful.
[38:32.220 --> 38:32.700]  All right, take care.
[38:32.920 --> 38:33.460]  Okay, you too.
[38:33.540 --> 38:33.800]  Bye-bye.
[38:34.580 --> 38:35.180]  Well, I don't know.
[38:35.240 --> 38:35.860]  I don't know what to say.
[38:36.000 --> 38:39.120]  I'm going to pick up the first line here which is not lit up yet.
[38:39.420 --> 38:40.400]  Let's see if we get a doll tone.
[38:42.480 --> 38:43.600]  No, you see we're not getting a doll tone.
[38:43.640 --> 38:44.400]  That's nothing at all.
[38:44.400 --> 38:47.220]  Yeah, so that means that something's wrong with those lines.
[38:47.460 --> 38:48.380]  Some kind of weirdness.
[38:48.620 --> 38:51.100]  All right, I'm going to try and grab one of these.
[38:51.220 --> 38:52.100]  But they're hopping.
[38:52.220 --> 38:53.460]  You see, they're hopping all over the place.
[38:53.560 --> 38:55.120]  So it's like I have to hit it at the right moment.
[38:55.140 --> 38:55.600]  I'm telling you, it's like whack-a-mole.
[38:55.660 --> 38:57.080]  Just like hit the light that's up.
[38:57.180 --> 38:58.080]  It's a phone system.
[38:58.160 --> 38:58.780]  It shouldn't be like a video game.
[38:58.880 --> 38:59.840]  Okay, well, what do you want?
[38:59.920 --> 39:00.920]  All right, I'm going to hit this one here.
[39:01.100 --> 39:01.820]  Good evening, you're on the air.
[39:02.700 --> 39:03.260]  Yes, hi.
[39:03.640 --> 39:04.680]  No, you see it's still broken.
[39:05.500 --> 39:06.540]  I don't get it.
[39:06.620 --> 39:07.680]  There's something wrong with the phones.
[39:07.980 --> 39:09.200]  Well, you always say this show is a carnival.
[39:09.200 --> 39:10.000]  Good evening, you're on the air.
[39:10.420 --> 39:12.640]  Hi, you just might want to check that Johnson line.
[39:12.640 --> 39:15.400]  Now they're just saying leave a message and your address.
[39:15.640 --> 39:19.500]  And there's no information coming back.
[39:19.520 --> 39:20.500]  We just tried it.
[39:21.920 --> 39:22.520]  Wait a minute.
[39:22.980 --> 39:24.360]  What do you mean there's no information coming back?
[39:24.540 --> 39:27.040]  Well, actually, you have to leave your name and address.
[39:27.540 --> 39:29.380]  You mean you can't enter a phone number anymore?
[39:29.380 --> 39:33.260]  No, they take your 10-digit number, but you have to leave your name and address.
[39:33.440 --> 39:34.400]  You might want to try it again.
[39:34.520 --> 39:37.540]  Well, I know some numbers, it doesn't come back with information.
[39:37.700 --> 39:42.080]  But try the NBC number as a test, which is 2-1-2-6-6-4-4-4-4-4.
[39:42.180 --> 39:42.720]  Okay, great.
[39:42.880 --> 39:43.060]  Thank you.
[39:43.180 --> 39:44.760]  And that'll tell you if it's working or not.
[39:44.860 --> 39:46.300]  I can just remember that number for some reason.
[39:46.460 --> 39:46.700]  I don't know why.
[39:46.700 --> 39:47.380]  I don't know why.
[39:47.720 --> 39:48.920]  All right, let's try this one over here.
[39:49.000 --> 39:49.220]  Good evening.
[39:49.280 --> 39:49.680]  You're on the air.
[39:50.820 --> 39:51.180]  Speak up.
[39:51.340 --> 39:51.980]  Yes, go ahead.
[39:52.320 --> 39:53.600]  Let me turn the radio down.
[39:53.760 --> 39:54.380]  Okay, good idea.
[39:56.220 --> 39:57.200]  Well, he knew that much.
[39:57.260 --> 39:58.400]  That's what somebody did around here before.
[39:58.480 --> 40:00.100]  They turned the radio down and took us off the air.
[40:00.420 --> 40:00.740]  Hello?
[40:00.980 --> 40:01.460]  Yes, go ahead.
[40:03.720 --> 40:15.000]  I just thought I'd bring to your attention, and I believe it was today's time, The European Union is doing a DVD price inquiry.
[40:15.380 --> 40:15.740]  Yes.
[40:16.680 --> 40:27.460]  And among other things, they think the geographical region coding system might be a smokescreen for companies to maintain artificially high prices.
[40:28.360 --> 40:28.640]  Uh-huh.
[40:28.920 --> 40:29.140]  Yeah.
[40:29.380 --> 40:31.120]  I'm glad they're recognizing this.
[40:31.240 --> 40:32.780]  That's something that we've known for a while.
[40:32.980 --> 40:33.100]  Right.
[40:33.100 --> 40:34.440]  That's the European Union.
[40:34.700 --> 40:34.880]  Uh-huh.
[40:35.640 --> 40:35.840]  Yeah.
[40:36.020 --> 40:38.640]  Artificially high prices are a fact of life, you know?
[40:38.640 --> 40:40.380]  I mean, this isn't communism.
[40:40.380 --> 40:41.180]  We're living in here.
[40:41.520 --> 40:45.940]  They had that even back in the, you know, the vinyl LP era.
[40:46.160 --> 40:46.420]  Sure.
[40:46.740 --> 40:48.800]  They used to pay more in England than here.
[40:49.700 --> 40:52.460]  Yeah, but you could play the records over there.
[40:52.600 --> 40:52.640]  Right.
[40:52.640 --> 40:55.340]  And you could play CDs that you bought there here, too.
[40:55.540 --> 40:55.740]  Mm-hmm.
[40:56.060 --> 41:03.460]  What they have now, they have an artificial barrier that's been put in place that basically makes it incompatible for you to play a DVD in England or vice versa.
[41:03.760 --> 41:03.980]  Right.
[41:03.980 --> 41:15.740]  And I know there are websites in England that advertise reprogrammed DVD players because they have more incentive for the consumers there to get that.
[41:16.040 --> 41:17.040]  Yeah, absolutely.
[41:17.300 --> 41:19.580]  Because most of the films come out of the United States.
[41:19.580 --> 41:19.940]  Uh-huh.
[41:19.940 --> 41:20.740]  Uh-huh.
[41:20.740 --> 41:23.080]  Unfortunately, uh, I guess they want to see those films.
[41:23.180 --> 41:24.140]  Most of them are crap, you know?
[41:24.200 --> 41:25.460]  But I like to see films from Europe.
[41:25.620 --> 41:27.700]  I like to see, you know, a lot of the alternative cinema out there.
[41:27.880 --> 41:27.940]  Right.
[41:27.940 --> 41:29.900]  And I can't do that because it's Region 2.
[41:30.100 --> 41:32.160]  I'm told that I'm not allowed to see it.
[41:32.340 --> 41:33.940]  You know, unless I buy a Region 2 player.
[41:34.480 --> 41:34.840]  Right.
[41:34.840 --> 41:40.740]  I believe that in some cases they allow you to reprogram, uh, an existing player.
[41:40.740 --> 41:41.060]  Yes.
[41:41.500 --> 41:44.220]  But they limit the number of times you can do that.
[41:44.400 --> 41:44.540]  Right.
[41:44.700 --> 41:49.100]  The, the, the ones that are on computers you can reprogram, I think, what, four times, and then, then it gets locked in.
[41:49.380 --> 41:52.200]  It's a good practical joke to program it for, like, Africa or something.
[41:52.500 --> 41:52.500]  Uh-huh.
[41:52.500 --> 41:53.380]  When people are stuck with it.
[41:53.700 --> 41:55.460]  Well, if you have a lot of computers, you can avoid that.
[41:55.640 --> 41:55.860]  Uh-huh.
[41:55.960 --> 41:58.800]  Well, yeah, I guess that's one way to do it, but it's a really silly way to do it.
[41:59.100 --> 41:59.920]  True, true.
[42:00.620 --> 42:04.820]  And, uh, the other thing I wanted to bring up, uh, on NPR today.
[42:05.120 --> 42:05.280]  Uh-huh.
[42:05.280 --> 42:05.980]  Uh-huh.
[42:05.980 --> 42:15.260]  They were talking about, uh, a worm that apparently was designed to ferret out, quote, child pornography, unquote.
[42:16.060 --> 42:16.060]  Oh, yes.
[42:16.060 --> 42:16.320]  Uh-huh.
[42:16.320 --> 42:21.700]  And then, uh, contact or send messages to the authorities.
[42:23.000 --> 42:23.640]  Okay.
[42:23.780 --> 42:24.560]  How would they do this?
[42:24.920 --> 42:28.340]  Well, it would be, you know, it would be like a computer virus.
[42:28.540 --> 42:28.820]  Uh-huh.
[42:28.820 --> 42:38.360]  It would look up your graphics files, and then it would very simple-mindedly decide from the title of the file whether it might be for child pornography.
[42:38.820 --> 42:40.000]  Oh, that's brilliant.
[42:40.160 --> 42:40.760]  That's really nice.
[42:40.920 --> 42:46.520]  And then they would, um, email something to appropriate things like the FBI or whatever.
[42:46.760 --> 42:47.540]  Whose idea is this?
[42:48.900 --> 42:49.720]  God knows.
[42:49.980 --> 42:50.900]  Uh, I don't.
[42:51.280 --> 42:54.300]  Well, hopefully God will take care of it then, because it's a really bad idea.
[42:54.300 --> 42:55.360]  You know, I've always...
[42:55.360 --> 43:13.220]  They did mention that most of the, uh, uh, authorities that were being emailed by this particular virus, uh, disregarded it because of the, uh, careless, like, um...
[43:13.220 --> 43:14.760]  It has too many false hits.
[43:14.940 --> 43:18.180]  Yeah, but just like your standard filtering programs and so on.
[43:18.260 --> 43:18.420]  Right.
[43:18.420 --> 43:26.280]  It's a really simple mic, but if it's being done once, people will do it for the same again.
[43:27.100 --> 43:31.880]  And they'll also have people write those things that are targeted to other things.
[43:32.240 --> 43:36.880]  Like, uh, do you have, uh, the raw political stuff on your computer?
[43:37.340 --> 43:42.920]  Or, uh, are you supporting WBAI on your computer or against BAI on your computer?
[43:42.920 --> 43:46.080]  Well, I just, I just wonder what address this is being mailed to.
[43:46.080 --> 43:48.740]  Is it like T-H-E at F-B-I dot gov?
[43:48.920 --> 43:49.480]  I don't know.
[43:49.560 --> 43:51.700]  Everyone seems to think you can just mail the FBI.
[43:52.020 --> 43:56.280]  It also mentioned that it would send some kind of message to everyone on your mailing list.
[43:56.860 --> 44:01.860]  Well, it sounds like, it sounds like something that a really simple-minded person came up with that's definitely not going to work.
[44:01.860 --> 44:07.320]  It'll be the victim of spam and all kinds of false reports, and, uh, the address is going to get out, and it'll be a witch hunt.
[44:07.460 --> 44:09.180]  It's just, it's just going to be nonsense the whole way through.
[44:09.280 --> 44:10.980]  But thanks, thanks for the, uh, for the tip-off.
[44:10.980 --> 44:16.140]  Hypothetically, how could you even write a program that can analyze the pictures and discern?
[44:17.000 --> 44:18.360]  It doesn't analyze the pictures.
[44:18.560 --> 44:19.900]  It's a .vbs file.
[44:20.100 --> 44:21.220]  It's a visual-based.
[44:21.480 --> 44:22.620]  Yeah, I know what this one does, but...
[44:22.620 --> 44:25.980]  It looks at the names of your GIFs, your TIFFs, your JPEGs.
[44:26.000 --> 44:27.020]  We've established this.
[44:27.160 --> 44:28.040]  I'm talking about...
[44:28.720 --> 44:36.340]  Yeah, but, but, but Napster can get around it by renaming, you know, the song, so I think the people that make pictures will rename the pictures, right?
[44:36.460 --> 44:37.640]  Which is, which is what I'm getting at.
[44:37.740 --> 44:43.120]  Is it possible to, I mean, we're talking about a serious artificial intelligence program that can analyze the photographs.
[44:43.260 --> 44:47.680]  We don't even have people who can tell how old someone is in their birthday suit and these pictures.
[44:47.680 --> 44:49.360]  I'm more concerned with the fact that some, some program...
[44:49.360 --> 44:51.080]  Not that I'm defending child pornographers, but...
[44:51.080 --> 44:58.000]  Yeah, you know, I'm more concerned with the fact that something is coming into your computer system and analyzing files.
[44:58.140 --> 44:59.100]  I mean, how dare it do that?
[44:59.200 --> 45:02.720]  You know, no matter what kind of files you have, it's still a breach of your privacy, you know?
[45:02.820 --> 45:03.220]  No doubt.
[45:03.620 --> 45:05.540]  I don't care what you're storing on your computer.
[45:06.220 --> 45:11.100]  Nobody has the right to do that without the appropriate, you know, legal briefs being filed and things like that.
[45:11.220 --> 45:19.500]  So, you know, they might, they might hold child pornography up as, as the way to get people to turn a blind eye towards their rights, but I don't think we should fall for that.
[45:19.500 --> 45:22.480]  Well, I don't think this is being endorsed by any government agencies.
[45:22.500 --> 45:27.340]  This is just some guy with some sort of public interest, I suppose.
[45:27.900 --> 45:29.720]  Yeah, wants to, wants to make a name for himself.
[45:29.920 --> 45:31.480]  Well, you know, there's something really weird about the phones.
[45:31.620 --> 45:34.140]  I've never seen them do this before, but they're traveling all over the place.
[45:35.280 --> 45:37.660]  So, I don't know, if you're having trouble getting through, just keep trying.
[45:37.940 --> 45:42.300]  You might get a ring that never goes anywhere, or you might get a busy signal, or who knows?
[45:42.640 --> 45:44.400]  It's your own adventure with Off the Hook.
[45:44.520 --> 45:48.960]  We're just getting very weird types of lights here, and they're doing all kinds of strange things.
[45:48.960 --> 45:49.920]  It sounded different.
[45:50.120 --> 45:52.880]  You notice the long gap when we made the phone call for it to ring?
[45:53.280 --> 45:55.240]  There's something weird and different about the phone system.
[45:55.300 --> 45:55.780]  I don't know what.
[45:55.880 --> 45:57.500]  I can usually pick up things like this.
[45:57.660 --> 46:00.480]  But, you know, it takes way too long to get a ring.
[46:00.960 --> 46:04.020]  So, something might be going someplace else.
[46:04.860 --> 46:06.160]  Let's try this one over here.
[46:06.260 --> 46:06.500]  Good evening.
[46:06.580 --> 46:06.980]  You're on the air.
[46:07.480 --> 46:07.880]  Hi.
[46:09.860 --> 46:21.740]  The, I guess it acts similar to a search engine spider where it focuses on keywords and alt tags, just as if someone would be using a search word, the meta tags, the keywords.
[46:22.500 --> 46:37.580]  It's probably just search engine based, but it just focuses on and has certain priorities and as being programmed to filter out what most searches would look for if they were looking for that, because they have to find it someplace.
[46:37.580 --> 46:44.300]  So, it's simply just reacting as if it was a person using certain keywords.
[46:45.100 --> 46:59.080]  I was wondering if in the future you could do a show where you could talk about the latest developments where IP, voice over IP and the new technology combining data and voice...
[46:59.080 --> 46:59.600]  What do you want to know?
[46:59.600 --> 47:17.800]  Well, just elaborating on things that I've been reading in Interactive Week and Telephony, perhaps getting someone who is actually involved in the field and perhaps could actually contribute and perhaps take questions, because sometimes the articles will be a page,
[47:17.800 --> 47:20.460]  because there's now a very short attention span.
[47:20.460 --> 47:26.280]  So, you know, you'll have 30 extremely interesting, innovative articles, but they just won't go into depth.
[47:26.280 --> 47:41.500]  And it sort of leaves you frustrated, and sometimes you wish you could get someone who really has a feeling and a love and a passion for this, and who perhaps is involved in the innovation itself to perhaps talk about it.
[47:41.620 --> 47:43.380]  Do you want a brief rant on convergence?
[47:44.120 --> 47:45.920]  We'll do a brief rant on convergence.
[47:46.180 --> 47:46.720]  The idea...
[47:46.720 --> 47:47.600]  Make it a minute or less.
[47:47.680 --> 47:47.960]  Okay.
[47:48.020 --> 47:48.760]  A lot of other rants.
[47:49.100 --> 47:51.520]  Oh, well, you want 60 seconds or less?
[47:51.700 --> 47:53.160]  Oh, you're down to 50 seconds now.
[47:54.120 --> 48:09.120]  The idea is that eventually you're going to have telephone and internet being combined, that you won't have the standard telephone in your house where you call someone up, that video will be streamed over the internet, that your information... you'll eventually have like the one,
[48:09.140 --> 48:13.760]  you know, holy grail of convergence, which is the set-top box which does everything.
[48:13.760 --> 48:23.400]  I think it's going to be a fairly long way off, and the simple answer is, we've already got all these networks out there that do their specific part really well.
[48:23.700 --> 48:29.120]  The telephone network is designed to connect your voice to someone else's voice, and it does it really well.
[48:29.240 --> 48:32.720]  It's been doing it really well for 100 years now, a little more.
[48:33.880 --> 48:42.640]  You've got the cable television network, which brings images into your home really well, at minimum cost.
[48:42.860 --> 48:46.980]  The internet moves text and single-frame images really well.
[48:47.100 --> 48:53.920]  All these guys who are trying to put motion video on the internet are squeezing something that is very high bandwidth into a single little pipe.
[48:54.160 --> 49:01.680]  All these guys that are trying to put voice on the internet are trying to do the same thing, but then the routing is an irritating problem.
[49:01.940 --> 49:06.480]  I mean, the only way that convergence is going to occur is if you have an all-purpose network.
[49:06.640 --> 49:18.360]  It's going to be IPv6, most likely, and large enough and fat enough to support all these things coming in at once, which means you're going to have convergence when you have glass going to every single house.
[49:18.720 --> 49:26.860]  You're going to need glass coming right up to your front door or the side of your house, and that's when you're probably going to see these things really start to take off.
[49:26.860 --> 49:39.700]  But until then, you've got all these networks that do their own little part real well, and anything trying to cream something down another pipe just is a hack, a grievous hack that is very difficult to sell.
[49:39.880 --> 49:42.880]  Okay, while you were ranting, I was doing some experimenting with the calls.
[49:42.880 --> 49:45.360]  I know, I went on so you could try that.
[49:45.480 --> 49:49.860]  Well, calls are going through, but they're doing weird things when you get through.
[49:50.500 --> 49:51.920]  They're hopping all over the place.
[49:52.520 --> 49:56.100]  I'm going to pick up the one I think is me, but I'm not entirely sure.
[49:56.860 --> 49:57.660]  Good evening, you're on the air.
[49:59.200 --> 49:59.700]  Hold on.
[50:00.100 --> 50:00.420]  Go ahead.
[50:00.980 --> 50:01.140]  Hello?
[50:01.380 --> 50:02.220]  No, that's obviously not me.
[50:02.300 --> 50:02.760]  That's not you.
[50:02.760 --> 50:03.380]  Yeah, go ahead.
[50:03.600 --> 50:04.040]  Oh, hi.
[50:04.180 --> 50:07.820]  Yeah, don't you just hang with me after if you're using buttons on your telephone?
[50:08.160 --> 50:08.960]  Do I hate that?
[50:09.680 --> 50:11.040]  I really do hate that.
[50:11.240 --> 50:12.700]  I prefer the rotary dial myself.
[50:13.600 --> 50:14.640]  Good evening, you're on the air.
[50:15.020 --> 50:16.360]  Oh, I think I found myself.
[50:17.060 --> 50:18.820]  Okay, so this is me.
[50:19.300 --> 50:22.440]  And there's only one other call on the entire switchboard.
[50:23.220 --> 50:24.980]  All right, what I'd like to ask people...
[50:24.980 --> 50:26.040]  Wait, let me hang this thing up.
[50:26.500 --> 50:27.200]  Good plan.
[50:27.920 --> 50:32.040]  What I'd like to ask people to do is everybody call in at once right now.
[50:32.200 --> 50:33.920]  I want to see what happens when everybody calls in.
[50:34.020 --> 50:35.080]  Because I know there's people out there.
[50:35.200 --> 50:39.080]  And let's see if the switchboard fills up or if it breaks or what.
[50:39.160 --> 50:44.560]  Because when something is acting weird, you have to kind of just push it to the limit and see what that means.
[50:44.560 --> 50:45.980]  Okay, we have like three lights lit now.
[50:46.060 --> 50:47.140]  Now we have like eight lights.
[50:47.840 --> 50:49.060]  Now we have nine lights.
[50:50.020 --> 50:50.340]  Okay.
[50:50.740 --> 50:51.600]  Now we have almost...
[50:51.600 --> 50:54.100]  Every light except two are ringing now.
[50:55.140 --> 50:55.580]  All right.
[50:55.720 --> 50:58.500]  Now we just need two more people to call in and then everything.
[50:58.640 --> 51:00.500]  Everybody else stay on the line right now.
[51:00.560 --> 51:01.100]  Let's see what happens.
[51:02.060 --> 51:05.200]  Okay, the first line and the sixth line are not lighting up no matter what.
[51:05.600 --> 51:06.860]  Okay, now stay on the line.
[51:07.000 --> 51:07.960]  I'm going to call again.
[51:07.960 --> 51:09.260]  See if I get a busy signal.
[51:09.500 --> 51:11.160]  And that will tell me some valuable information.
[51:13.220 --> 51:14.300]  Yes, I'm getting a busy signal.
[51:14.300 --> 51:15.420]  So, okay, two lines are out.
[51:15.520 --> 51:19.860]  Now, apparently, the rest of the switchboard is working, so I guess not enough people are calling.
[51:19.980 --> 51:20.700]  That must be the problem.
[51:20.820 --> 51:21.020]  All right.
[51:21.240 --> 51:23.760]  Now, those of you who want to be on the air, stay on the line.
[51:23.860 --> 51:26.220]  Those of you who don't, just hang up now and see how many people are left.
[51:26.700 --> 51:28.340]  That takes about 10 seconds for it to recycle.
[51:28.580 --> 51:29.220]  Come on, people.
[51:29.320 --> 51:31.200]  I mean, you know, we've got an open switchboard.
[51:31.300 --> 51:31.980]  This is a rarity.
[51:32.160 --> 51:32.880]  We're not even asking for money.
[51:33.340 --> 51:33.960]  Yeah, really.
[51:34.140 --> 51:37.900]  I guess, you know, maybe when you're not on for three weeks, your listeners kind of wander away someplace.
[51:38.100 --> 51:40.880]  We've had people who said they're trying to call in for two years and they finally get on the air.
[51:40.880 --> 51:42.100]  Okay, look, all these people... This is your time.
[51:42.220 --> 51:43.880]  All these people are still here, so...
[51:43.880 --> 51:44.640]  I don't know.
[51:44.840 --> 51:47.440]  Maybe someone can explain to me why this is happening.
[51:47.760 --> 51:48.760]  There might be something I'm missing.
[51:48.900 --> 51:49.500]  Let's go over here.
[51:50.020 --> 51:50.320]  Good evening.
[51:50.400 --> 51:50.800]  You're on the air.
[51:52.100 --> 51:53.320]  Yes, don't you just hang on.
[51:53.340 --> 51:56.620]  Okay, you know, if you call, like, more than, in your case, more than once.
[51:56.820 --> 51:57.260]  Good evening.
[51:57.360 --> 51:57.740]  You're on the air.
[51:57.960 --> 51:58.560]  Yeah, hi.
[51:58.780 --> 51:58.920]  Yeah.
[51:59.280 --> 52:06.200]  You know, I'd just like to say that the problem with the station going off the air, this has happened a number of times.
[52:06.480 --> 52:06.800]  I know.
[52:06.960 --> 52:08.700]  Well, that's not what happened now, is it?
[52:08.960 --> 52:11.320]  I mean, that would explain people not calling in if you were off the air.
[52:11.380 --> 52:11.400]  Oh, no, no.
[52:11.640 --> 52:13.560]  Earlier, you had made reference to it.
[52:13.560 --> 52:13.920]  Yes.
[52:14.180 --> 52:20.580]  In fact, I heard it last, when Robert Knight was on, interviewing the Green Party.
[52:20.860 --> 52:21.040]  Mm-hmm.
[52:21.300 --> 52:30.060]  And it was funny, because as soon as he mentioned our dear departed Al Lewis, he went off the air.
[52:30.580 --> 52:32.720]  Well, now, let's not get people in a panic.
[52:32.800 --> 52:34.000]  Al Lewis is still with us.
[52:34.100 --> 52:35.520]  Oh, yeah, he's definitely with us.
[52:35.520 --> 52:41.380]  I wish he... everybody wishes he was back, but of course, the powers that be don't love him.
[52:41.780 --> 52:42.020]  Mm-hmm.
[52:42.160 --> 52:44.760]  At any rate, this is free speech radio, is it not?
[52:45.120 --> 52:51.380]  Well, it's not the entity known as free speech radio, but it is, small letter, free speech radio.
[52:51.580 --> 52:55.620]  Well, you know, I've been a subscriber for a long time.
[52:55.640 --> 52:57.440]  In fact, I even subscribe now.
[52:57.440 --> 52:57.700]  Mm-hmm.
[52:58.220 --> 53:16.880]  And despite my reservations, and at the same time, I just wanted to say I, like probably most of the people, subscribed only because we felt that the station was taken over by pirates, and if we didn't subscribe, they would sink our ship.
[53:18.180 --> 53:19.160]  That's one perspective.
[53:19.420 --> 53:19.960]  Excuse me?
[53:20.040 --> 53:20.820]  That's one perspective.
[53:21.060 --> 53:21.700]  Yes, it is.
[53:22.140 --> 53:27.740]  And it's a perspective that I thought at one time you were leaning to.
[53:27.960 --> 53:29.440]  At any rate, that's another story.
[53:30.520 --> 53:43.160]  But since the powers that be wanted to raise money and did raise money in the name of free speech radio, is it permissible for me to give the telephone number of the opposition?
[53:43.440 --> 53:44.360]  Yes, give the telephone number.
[53:44.420 --> 53:46.620]  Then I want to move on to some more calls, but just give that information out.
[53:46.880 --> 53:51.480]  1-800-825-0055.
[53:52.060 --> 53:52.700]  Thank you.
[53:52.900 --> 53:53.080]  Thanks.
[53:54.340 --> 53:57.700]  And as always, the conversation continues here.
[53:57.900 --> 54:01.960]  You know, we had demonstrators come up here during the period Democracy Now!
[54:02.020 --> 54:02.760]  was being preempted.
[54:03.180 --> 54:03.860]  What were they doing?
[54:03.880 --> 54:04.180]  Juggling?
[54:04.560 --> 54:05.300]  No, they weren't.
[54:05.500 --> 54:06.500]  No, they weren't juggling.
[54:06.860 --> 54:07.860]  Well, they're demonstrating something.
[54:08.160 --> 54:08.420]  Demonstrating.
[54:08.740 --> 54:09.040]  All right.
[54:09.560 --> 54:09.960]  Protesters.
[54:10.040 --> 54:10.740]  Are you happier with that?
[54:10.780 --> 54:11.320]  What did they protest?
[54:11.460 --> 54:13.660]  They were protesting the fact that their favorite radio show wasn't on the air.
[54:13.660 --> 54:19.960]  In fact, you know, I fully expect to see people come in here when we're not on the air protesting because that's how people feel at this radio station.
[54:20.060 --> 54:25.680]  They love their radio show so much that they're willing to stand in front of traffic to get their shows back.
[54:25.680 --> 54:27.320]  And I expect nothing less from our listeners.
[54:28.040 --> 54:32.300]  Well, we can't even fill the switchboard at the moment, so I wouldn't put too much faith in that.
[54:32.300 --> 54:35.080]  I don't know what's going on with that, so I'm beginning to have some doubts here.
[54:35.160 --> 54:36.940]  We expect our listeners to give their lives for us.
[54:37.260 --> 54:39.180]  If you can't even make a phone call, I don't know.
[54:39.360 --> 54:40.500]  Let's try over here.
[54:40.660 --> 54:40.940]  Good evening.
[54:41.000 --> 54:41.440]  You're on the air.
[54:42.240 --> 54:42.600]  Hello?
[54:42.800 --> 54:43.120]  Go ahead.
[54:43.420 --> 54:44.320]  Oh, okay.
[54:44.320 --> 54:45.980]  I'm going to switch fields a bit.
[54:46.500 --> 54:56.560]  A few years ago when the MetroCard came out, you vowed to hack out all of its secrets, all its little nooks and crannies undisclosed.
[54:57.160 --> 54:59.300]  Well, yeah, as soon as we got them.
[54:59.940 --> 55:00.160]  Yeah.
[55:00.800 --> 55:11.280]  One thing I wanted to ask specifically about it, the two-hour window for the free transfer, it appears to be longer than two hours.
[55:11.420 --> 55:15.740]  Did you ever kind of fix it precisely, just how long it was?
[55:15.880 --> 55:16.880]  The two-hour window?
[55:17.940 --> 55:19.240]  For the free transfer.
[55:19.460 --> 55:20.420]  Okay, for the free transfer.
[55:20.480 --> 55:20.740]  Go ahead.
[55:21.080 --> 55:23.400]  We have a semi-expert on the field.
[55:23.520 --> 55:23.660]  Okay.
[55:23.660 --> 55:29.060]  The two-hour window is a little bit over, and it depends on a number of things.
[55:29.280 --> 55:37.980]  First of all, although the clocks are almost perfectly synchronized, they're not totally synchronized.
[55:41.200 --> 55:43.200]  Why, we're still not sure.
[55:44.420 --> 55:51.920]  And secondly, they tend to err a little bit on the side of generosity on that.
[55:52.820 --> 56:05.520]  The two-hour window is generally really two hours and six minutes because of generosity, and if the clocks are really bad, two hours and 18 minutes, but do not count on that.
[56:06.160 --> 56:09.600]  So you can generally be safe at about two hours and three minutes.
[56:09.600 --> 56:10.940]  After that, it's iffy.
[56:11.580 --> 56:14.620]  But you know, with the all-day passes, why worry about it, you know?
[56:15.520 --> 56:18.080]  You know, the fun pass, you get to transfer everywhere you want.
[56:18.200 --> 56:22.760]  Well, yeah, but if you're out, it's three in the morning, it's last call, you finish it up.
[56:23.020 --> 56:23.680]  Yeah, that's true.
[56:23.820 --> 56:24.200]  That's true.
[56:24.980 --> 56:32.500]  You remember how we talked about the Microsoft thing back when, and they actually changed their privacy policy shortly after...
[56:32.500 --> 56:32.700]  Yes.
[56:32.920 --> 56:34.740]  You want to get some other corporation to change their policy?
[56:34.840 --> 56:43.840]  No, no, no, but there are some people on this IRC channel who have been trying that NBC number, and it's responding, just leave your name and number and post-message.
[56:44.080 --> 56:49.200]  We either broke the system or they actually went in and changed the policy while we were on the air.
[56:49.340 --> 56:50.000]  Okay, let's take one more call.
[56:50.080 --> 56:50.680]  Good evening, you're on the air.
[56:50.880 --> 56:51.540]  Hi, Emmanuel.
[56:51.540 --> 56:56.340]  So, Isaac mentioned that you had a phone van, and you got it at a telephone auction.
[56:56.540 --> 56:57.220]  Yes, that's right.
[56:57.560 --> 56:58.880]  Yes, that's very cool.
[56:59.020 --> 57:03.960]  I was curious if you'd be willing to give up a well-kept secret of when and where they have these things.
[57:04.100 --> 57:04.880]  Okay, yes.
[57:05.880 --> 57:07.300]  Well, they do have them.
[57:07.720 --> 57:12.320]  Unfortunately, I fell off the mailing list after I redecorated the van.
[57:14.080 --> 57:16.380]  Unfortunately, they still have them, but I don't know when they are.
[57:16.700 --> 57:20.020]  If you call your local Verizon office, they might know.
[57:20.020 --> 57:23.880]  They tend to have them where they park all the trucks, and they have them every few months.
[57:24.380 --> 57:27.700]  They also have, you know, utility vehicles, Con Ed.
[57:27.860 --> 57:31.200]  They have police cars, all kinds of things like that.
[57:31.280 --> 57:32.120]  Just ask around.
[57:32.720 --> 57:33.840]  Somebody knows these things.
[57:34.000 --> 57:38.660]  If you see, you know, a parking lot filled with phone trucks, that's likely where they're going to have the auction.
[57:38.720 --> 57:42.300]  I know they had them in, I believe it was Westbury was where we picked up ours.
[57:42.480 --> 57:44.140]  So they have auctions there every now and then.
[57:44.300 --> 57:44.620]  Long Island.
[57:44.620 --> 57:44.900]  Long Island, yeah.
[57:45.080 --> 57:45.980]  But they have them every place.
[57:46.120 --> 57:46.860]  We're out of time.
[57:46.860 --> 57:51.080]  So it's great to be back, and we'll be back again next week.
[57:52.140 --> 57:56.400]  And hopefully the phone system will be working better, or our callers will be more aggressive.
[57:56.880 --> 58:03.920]  And I guess until then, stay alert, you know, and keep questioning things.
[58:03.920 --> 58:05.000]  All right.
[58:05.300 --> 58:09.540]  For Isaac, for Jim, for everybody else, have yourselves a good night.
[58:09.860 --> 58:17.180]  And we'll be announcing the results of the lawsuit when we get it.
[58:17.280 --> 58:17.500]  Thank you.
[58:17.500 --> 58:37.320]  Day after day, they send my friends away, to mansions cold and grey, to the far side of town, where the thin men stalk the streets, while the signs stay underground.
[58:40.460 --> 59:01.300]  Day after day, they tell me I can go, they tell me I can blow, to the far side of town, where it's pointless to be hide, cause it's such a long way down.
[59:02.760 --> 59:14.000]  Day after day, they tell me I can fly, I will scream, I will break my arm, I will do the harm.
[59:16.540 --> 59:27.540]  Here I stand, foot in hand, talking to my wall, I'm not quite right at all, am I?
[59:28.790 --> 59:55.090]  Don't set me free, I'm as heavy as can be, just my livery of my need, and my EST makes me, cause I'd rather stay here, with all the mad men, that very swim for sad men, grow me free.
[59:56.910 --> 01:00:03.730]  And I'd rather play here, with all the mad men,
[01:00:15.340 --> 01:00:17.700]  that may love,
[01:00:20.950 --> 01:00:24.610]  may I have a word with you.
[01:00:26.610 --> 01:00:29.910]  Hi, this is Carlotta Joy Walker, Heart Time.
[01:00:30.270 --> 01:00:36.010]  Healing energy always rejuvenates trust, trust, imagine, and metamorphize, evolve.
[01:00:36.310 --> 01:00:38.110]  And I'm here just to thank you.
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