[00:05.990 --> 00:12.970]  And you're listening to radio station WBAI in New York, where the time is... it's not funny.
[00:13.230 --> 00:17.070]  The time is 8 o'clock, and now it's 8 o'clock.
[00:17.190 --> 00:18.110]  It's time for Off the Hook.
[00:25.020 --> 00:29.420]  The telephone keeps ringing, so I ripped it off the wall.
[00:30.500 --> 00:35.020]  I cut myself while shaving, now I can't make a cough.
[00:35.820 --> 00:43.330]  We couldn't get much worse, but we're best to expect the worst.
[00:44.110 --> 00:46.950]  I hope that's understood, but we can't make a cough.
[01:41.280 --> 01:43.160]  And a very good evening to one and all.
[01:43.420 --> 01:44.480]  The program is Off the Hook.
[01:44.620 --> 01:50.980]  Manuel Goldstein here with you on this third day of July.
[01:51.600 --> 01:52.880]  That's right, the third day of July.
[01:52.880 --> 01:54.460]  What do you think about that, Isaac?
[01:54.460 --> 01:56.380]  I think tomorrow is Independence Day.
[01:56.620 --> 01:57.240]  Yeah, you're right.
[01:57.320 --> 01:57.920]  That's very good.
[01:58.020 --> 01:58.480]  Very good.
[01:58.580 --> 02:00.500]  I think tomorrow is Independence Day.
[02:00.560 --> 02:01.640]  That would be the 4th of July.
[02:01.720 --> 02:03.300]  It falls on the 4th of July this year as well.
[02:03.860 --> 02:09.420]  And, well, of course, I guess we shouldn't go over what happened last year.
[02:09.540 --> 02:11.940]  The misadventure that befell you last year.
[02:12.760 --> 02:16.500]  I'm still getting emails about that.
[02:16.620 --> 02:17.460]  It's pretty funny, actually.
[02:18.040 --> 02:24.320]  Yeah, but this year, it falls on the 4th, on Wednesday.
[02:25.280 --> 02:27.340]  And what did you do this past week?
[02:27.540 --> 02:28.580]  Anything of interest?
[02:28.780 --> 02:33.080]  This past week, I did some work on some software I've been playing with for a while.
[02:33.260 --> 02:34.600]  You actually haven't answered that question this time.
[02:34.980 --> 02:36.980]  Yeah, I prepared, you know.
[02:38.300 --> 02:38.960]  Okay, great.
[02:39.080 --> 02:40.020]  Altogether uninteresting.
[02:41.740 --> 02:42.120]  Something.
[02:42.300 --> 02:48.060]  We got a lot of listener mail concerning things we've been talking about over the past few weeks.
[02:48.060 --> 02:51.120]  We'll be taking listener phone calls, 212-209-2900.
[02:52.660 --> 02:54.400]  A lot of people were really sad about the BBC.
[02:54.780 --> 02:56.460]  Really sad what the BBC is doing.
[02:56.580 --> 02:58.200]  However, they started announcing it about a month ago.
[02:58.240 --> 03:03.260]  I only found out a couple days before last week's show that they were discontinuing service to North America, which I imagine has happened now.
[03:03.400 --> 03:04.520]  I imagine it's all gone.
[03:06.120 --> 03:10.420]  There is a site, www.savebbc.org, which suggests letter writing.
[03:11.680 --> 03:13.420]  I did it but never got a response from BBC.
[03:13.640 --> 03:16.820]  They're nightly rebroadcast at WNY-FM from 1 to 6.30 a.m.
[03:17.420 --> 03:20.940]  Get their feed from BBC via PRI, Public Radio International.
[03:21.760 --> 03:25.820]  However, it is not the regular world service of BBC, but a subset of programs, mostly news.
[03:25.920 --> 03:26.640]  I suspected that.
[03:27.600 --> 03:32.120]  Such great programs like Play of the Week, Science in Action, and documentaries are not being rebroadcast.
[03:32.340 --> 03:35.700]  The only way to listen to these programs is via internet, a not very convenient solution.
[03:36.440 --> 03:44.320]  Ask your listeners to write to BBC and to PRI, asking them to at least retransmit all BBC World Service programs, and not just those which are news-related.
[03:45.600 --> 03:50.020]  And what happens when you don't want to listen between 1 and...
[03:50.020 --> 03:52.680]  Yeah, some people are usually busy during that particular hour.
[03:52.680 --> 03:53.980]  Yeah, 1 and 6.30 in the morning.
[03:54.900 --> 03:56.940]  This person also raises another interesting point.
[03:57.040 --> 04:00.580]  Calling New Jersey from an AT&T payphone in New York costs $1 for four minutes.
[04:00.660 --> 04:07.160]  Calling New York City from New Jersey from a Verizon payphone, and you get an AT&T announcement, followed by a request to deposit $5.10 for the next three minutes.
[04:08.140 --> 04:09.840]  Life is filled with inequities like that.
[04:09.980 --> 04:11.320]  It's probably the same copper, too.
[04:11.820 --> 04:15.900]  Yeah, it definitely is the same copper, but it all depends on what company is routing, what to wear.
[04:16.760 --> 04:27.020]  And payphones, as a rule, are a gigantic rip-off, and somebody will make a ton of money when they actually introduce normal rates to payphones, such as $0.10 a minute, anywhere in the country.
[04:27.580 --> 04:28.920]  Is that what calling cards are for?
[04:28.920 --> 04:31.000]  Yeah, except calling cards have these little things called surcharges.
[04:31.000 --> 04:40.960]  Surcharges, surcharge for using it from the payphone, as if it costs extra to use it from a payphone, which naturally it doesn't, but they managed to get that passed somehow.
[04:41.460 --> 04:42.100]  I don't know.
[04:42.540 --> 04:45.480]  One day, maybe it'll all be fair, but I don't think we'll live to see it.
[04:46.460 --> 04:47.300]  Another piece of email.
[04:47.520 --> 04:49.020]  Yes, people really are getting stupider.
[04:49.140 --> 04:50.520]  I guess that's something that I...
[04:50.520 --> 04:51.280]  That was it?
[04:51.420 --> 04:51.680]  I was...
[04:51.680 --> 04:56.560]  Yeah, I must have made that point in the last week or so, that are people getting stupider or what?
[04:56.680 --> 04:57.580]  And I guess...
[04:57.580 --> 04:58.080]  The answer is yes.
[04:58.240 --> 04:59.280]  I guess the answer is yes.
[05:01.460 --> 05:01.940]  Okay.
[05:03.500 --> 05:04.260]  And let's see.
[05:04.300 --> 05:05.940]  We have a couple of other news.
[05:06.000 --> 05:10.000]  A lot of people wrote in about this brand new...
[05:10.000 --> 05:13.760]  Not actually brand new, but new use for surveillance cameras.
[05:14.080 --> 05:19.180]  And we're not talking about the surveillance cameras here at the radio station, which it's not clear yet.
[05:19.180 --> 05:25.300]  And I don't want to pass around, you know, misinformation, but it's not clear yet if they're in color or black and white.
[05:26.700 --> 05:27.780]  But we're going to find out.
[05:28.780 --> 05:29.100]  Yeah.
[05:29.560 --> 05:30.260]  But, uh...
[05:32.060 --> 05:35.260]  Robert Knight was on it a few nights ago saying, you know, now I'm doing a television show.
[05:35.500 --> 05:37.700]  But actually, you know, the camera isn't, um...
[05:37.700 --> 05:39.040]  I don't think it can see us from me.
[05:39.040 --> 05:39.660]  It can see you.
[05:40.060 --> 05:41.260]  But I don't think it can see me.
[05:41.420 --> 05:42.460]  Why would it want to see me?
[05:42.560 --> 05:43.240]  Well, I'm just saying...
[05:43.240 --> 05:45.460]  Actually, if I walked around, I could possibly shatter all the lenses.
[05:45.700 --> 05:46.280]  That would be bad.
[05:46.520 --> 05:46.700]  Yeah.
[05:47.500 --> 05:50.860]  Just looking at my face has been known to cause cameras to have...
[05:50.860 --> 05:52.540]  Maybe that's why it's behind all that protective stuff.
[05:52.540 --> 05:54.080]  Probably, yeah.
[05:54.480 --> 05:56.500]  Well, these cameras are in Tampa.
[05:57.100 --> 05:58.000]  Tampa, Florida.
[05:58.720 --> 06:05.360]  And according to CNN, Tampa is using high-tech security cameras to scan the city streets for people wanted for crimes.
[06:05.760 --> 06:08.720]  A law enforcement tactic that some likened to Big Brother.
[06:09.820 --> 06:10.300]  Yeah.
[06:10.780 --> 06:15.900]  A computer software program linked to 36 cameras began scanning crowds Friday...
[06:15.900 --> 06:24.520]  Friday, this past Friday, in Tampa's nightlife district, matching results against the database of mugshots of people with outstanding arrest warrants.
[06:25.920 --> 06:27.980]  European cities and U.S.
[06:28.120 --> 06:34.540]  government offices, casinos, and banks, and some radio stations are already using the so-called face-printing system.
[06:35.460 --> 06:35.820]  But...
[06:35.820 --> 06:37.180]  I don't think we have a face-printing system.
[06:37.340 --> 06:38.940]  That would be kind of a neat toy to play with.
[06:39.120 --> 06:39.300]  That would be.
[06:39.860 --> 06:43.980]  That's just the kind of people that walk around, you know, in these studios, especially for this radio program.
[06:44.460 --> 06:46.140]  The alarm would be going off all the time.
[06:47.620 --> 06:49.420]  I have to have a hotline between here and D.C.
[06:50.700 --> 06:53.960]  Anyway, matching results with the database...
[06:54.580 --> 06:55.840]  I read that part.
[06:55.940 --> 06:56.860]  European cities and U.S.
[06:56.940 --> 07:04.380]  government offices, casinos, and banks are already using the so-called face-printing system, but Tampa is the first American city to install a permanent system along public streets.
[07:05.180 --> 07:06.980]  The Tampa Tribune reported Sunday.
[07:06.980 --> 07:11.200]  What happens if you just walk around with a mask of, like, Lee Harvey Oswald or something?
[07:11.660 --> 07:12.240]  You know?
[07:12.520 --> 07:13.740]  It depends on the software.
[07:13.880 --> 07:17.300]  I imagine the software is going to do the particular algorithm.
[07:17.300 --> 07:18.680]  It does find the mask.
[07:18.860 --> 07:21.920]  Oh, I sense a market here for bin Laden, you know, face masks.
[07:23.400 --> 07:29.520]  You could probably sell those for, you know, five bucks a piece in the streets of Tampa, and law officials will go haywire.
[07:29.700 --> 07:33.900]  But keep in mind, there are also laws in some areas regarding the wearing of masks in public.
[07:34.060 --> 07:35.160]  What if it doesn't look like a mask?
[07:36.040 --> 07:37.480]  You actually walk around...
[07:37.480 --> 07:38.900]  Yeah, skin tight or something.
[07:39.040 --> 07:41.180]  Real theater makeup for looking like...
[07:41.180 --> 07:45.980]  I'm not about to suggest that people get facelifts or change their face to actually look like somebody that they're not.
[07:45.980 --> 07:50.120]  But, uh, I just think things like this have to be countered at every step.
[07:51.180 --> 07:56.100]  Anyway, a similar system was used at Super Bowl XXXV, which was held in Tampa last January.
[07:56.260 --> 07:57.620]  Now you know where those things went afterwards.
[07:58.440 --> 08:05.420]  Tampa is really leading the pack here, said Francis Zelazny, a spokesman for Visionics Corp, which produces the FaceIt software.
[08:05.860 --> 08:09.600]  The software has raised concerns over privacy, ethics, and government intrusion.
[08:09.980 --> 08:14.700]  This is Big Brother actually implemented, so Jack Walters of the Tampa chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union.
[08:15.080 --> 08:17.660]  I think this just opens the door to it becoming...
[08:17.660 --> 08:18.680]  to it being everywhere.
[08:19.520 --> 08:20.320]  Uh, but...
[08:20.320 --> 08:22.000]  Tampa detective Bill Todd...
[08:22.000 --> 08:24.080]  What do you think Bill Todd had to say about this?
[08:24.160 --> 08:25.420]  A man with two first names?
[08:25.480 --> 08:25.920]  I don't know.
[08:26.020 --> 08:26.580]  Must be important.
[08:28.040 --> 08:28.840]  Well, uh...
[08:28.840 --> 08:32.900]  He says FaceIt is no different than having a police officer standing on the street holding a mugshot.
[08:33.200 --> 08:34.000]  All right, let's...
[08:34.000 --> 08:35.640]  Let's explore this one a little bit.
[08:36.320 --> 08:36.800]  All right.
[08:36.960 --> 08:37.960]  We all have seen it.
[08:38.040 --> 08:40.560]  We've all seen police officers standing on street corners holding mugshots.
[08:40.560 --> 08:43.180]  So it's a sight that we, uh...
[08:43.180 --> 08:44.760]  we can instantly place into our minds.
[08:45.400 --> 08:45.660]  All right.
[08:45.840 --> 08:48.620]  Now, having a camera on these street corners...
[08:48.620 --> 08:48.760]  All right.
[08:48.840 --> 08:49.680]  My first...
[08:49.680 --> 08:50.360]  My first...
[08:50.360 --> 08:53.000]  It's a cop with a lot of coffee that never has to sleep.
[08:53.140 --> 08:54.960]  Well, my first question here is...
[08:54.960 --> 08:57.900]  You know, the guy holding a mugshot, that's, you know...
[08:57.900 --> 08:59.280]  He's holding it to look at it, I guess.
[08:59.640 --> 09:01.120]  Yeah, he can only hold one at a time.
[09:01.240 --> 09:02.380]  He can only look at one at a time.
[09:02.520 --> 09:02.800]  Why?
[09:02.880 --> 09:06.220]  And why, in God's name, would he be standing on a street corner holding a...
[09:06.220 --> 09:07.980]  you know, looking for people there?
[09:07.980 --> 09:08.920]  It doesn't make any sense.
[09:09.540 --> 09:11.000]  Why is it only one at a time?
[09:11.040 --> 09:13.680]  You can print 12 of them on a page, like baseball cards, you know?
[09:13.880 --> 09:14.880]  Yeah, but cops aren't...
[09:14.880 --> 09:15.660]  They're not like octopuses.
[09:15.720 --> 09:16.980]  They only have, you know, one hand.
[09:17.120 --> 09:18.960]  And usually one of them is holding something else.
[09:19.140 --> 09:21.520]  You're holding the one page with the 12 pictures on it.
[09:21.580 --> 09:22.020]  Oh, I see.
[09:22.040 --> 09:23.000]  Well, that's not what he said.
[09:23.060 --> 09:24.420]  He said holding a mugshot.
[09:24.560 --> 09:25.680]  A mugshot, not a mug...
[09:25.680 --> 09:27.460]  Well, I'm sorry if...
[09:27.460 --> 09:28.140]  What's his name?
[09:28.200 --> 09:28.680]  Bill Todd?
[09:29.160 --> 09:32.320]  I've learned to listen to what police officers say very literally.
[09:32.620 --> 09:34.780]  And in this case, he's saying one mugshot.
[09:35.260 --> 09:36.040]  Well, this...
[09:36.040 --> 09:36.420]  Well, go ahead.
[09:36.580 --> 09:40.360]  At the Super Bowl, a Vigionics competitor, Graphco Technology...
[09:40.360 --> 09:42.500]  They really burn the midnight oil on these names, don't they?
[09:42.800 --> 09:43.800]  Graphco Technologies.
[09:43.800 --> 09:43.980]  Graphco Technologies.
[09:45.380 --> 09:52.540]  Wired cameras around Raymond James Stadium and in Tampa's nightlife, which I think is pronounced Ybor City.
[09:52.700 --> 09:53.440]  Y-B-O-R.
[09:55.560 --> 09:56.040]  Ybor?
[09:56.040 --> 09:56.380]  Whatever.
[09:57.020 --> 09:58.300]  The computer spotted...
[09:58.300 --> 10:00.520]  I always thought that was on the Ferengi home planet, but never mind.
[10:00.880 --> 10:07.760]  The computer spotted 19 people at the crowded stadium with outstanding warrants, all for minor offenses, but no arrests were made.
[10:07.860 --> 10:09.320]  The perpetrators were simply shot.
[10:09.780 --> 10:10.860]  During the Super Bowl...
[10:10.860 --> 10:11.420]  Wait a second.
[10:11.900 --> 10:13.820]  Was that actually in the article or did you just...
[10:13.820 --> 10:15.180]  Yeah, CNN printed that.
[10:15.340 --> 10:17.260]  CNN has taken to embellishing on their own articles.
[10:18.000 --> 10:20.800]  During the Super Bowl, we got overwhelmed, Todd said.
[10:21.840 --> 10:23.880]  I don't find that hard to believe at all.
[10:25.240 --> 10:26.020]  That's the other thing.
[10:26.020 --> 10:28.020]  When you get a match, how quickly can you get to these people?
[10:28.560 --> 10:31.900]  Well, if you have a cop every three feet, I guess, you know, you can probably work that out.
[10:32.580 --> 10:35.820]  Well, what if we give the camera legs and it can, like, go and chase the guy in?
[10:36.000 --> 10:37.700]  Or just a force field around the whole block.
[10:37.780 --> 10:38.180]  How about that?
[10:38.260 --> 10:38.420]  Yeah, that works.
[10:39.180 --> 10:44.720]  Business owners have mixed emotions about the new technology, ranging from it sucks to it's terrible.
[10:46.200 --> 10:49.280]  I don't know if I like it, said Vicki Double, who owns the Brew Pub.
[10:50.300 --> 10:50.780]  The Brew Pub?
[10:50.780 --> 10:51.580]  Maybe it's Tampa.
[10:51.720 --> 10:53.880]  Maybe it's just the people in Tampa can't figure out how to name things.
[10:54.000 --> 10:54.840]  The first name.
[10:54.960 --> 10:55.700]  The Brew Pub.
[10:55.860 --> 10:56.260]  Good God.
[10:56.340 --> 10:58.500]  Go to England sometime and see what they name their pubs.
[10:58.560 --> 11:01.740]  Every single one has a different name and they're all unique and they've been doing it for centuries.
[11:02.500 --> 11:03.340]  The Brew Pub.
[11:03.820 --> 11:05.900]  It may be a bit too much, she says.
[11:06.160 --> 11:08.260]  I think a lot may be too much down there.
[11:08.700 --> 11:13.160]  But Don Barco, owner of King Corona Cigars Bar and Cafe.
[11:13.480 --> 11:14.260]  There we go.
[11:14.740 --> 11:15.960]  Well, he had a lot of names there.
[11:16.160 --> 11:21.420]  He approves of the cameras but says they may not be as effective as the city hopes.
[11:22.360 --> 11:23.740]  Cigars Bar and Cafe.
[11:24.720 --> 11:25.720]  He's covering everything.
[11:26.140 --> 11:26.980]  A lot of tickets too, I'll bet.
[11:27.500 --> 11:31.460]  Anyway, sometimes these high-tech toys, they tend to give a little too much credence to what they do.
[11:33.940 --> 11:37.180]  Well, if there's a camera around you, notice it and tell people about it.
[11:37.340 --> 11:47.020]  Well, if we want to expand upon the issue, is there a legitimate expectation of privacy when you're walking around in public?
[11:47.700 --> 11:50.200]  The ACLU is saying that this is an invasion of privacy.
[11:50.300 --> 11:54.440]  If you're walking down the street in public, is there a reasonable expectation of privacy?
[11:54.480 --> 11:55.240]  Well, here's the thing.
[11:55.440 --> 12:01.080]  Now, you can say, okay, fine and dandy for terrorists and heinous criminals that are walking around.
[12:01.080 --> 12:05.620]  I don't know how many of them actually are walking around but for those that are walking around, I guess for public safety, you need to catch them.
[12:05.980 --> 12:07.340]  That does make a bit of sense.
[12:07.680 --> 12:11.720]  But the problem is, with these cameras, you're able to look at everybody.
[12:12.120 --> 12:15.660]  You don't just recognize somebody and say, hey, I think that might be the person.
[12:15.820 --> 12:17.020]  Let's investigate a little further.
[12:17.200 --> 12:19.660]  No, you skip that stage and you just investigate everybody.
[12:19.900 --> 12:23.060]  And the problem with that is, when you investigate everybody, you find all the minor things.
[12:23.060 --> 12:24.600]  You find the outstanding parking tickets.
[12:24.860 --> 12:27.060]  You find the person who's late on child payments.
[12:27.380 --> 12:29.360]  Some people might say, okay, you've got to find all these people.
[12:29.360 --> 12:30.780]  Are they any less the target?
[12:31.180 --> 12:32.200]  I think they are.
[12:32.380 --> 12:36.480]  I think, you know, terrorists are more of a target than people who have missed child payment supports.
[12:36.600 --> 12:43.340]  I'm sure I'll get letters about that, but I do think that they're more, you know, you shouldn't be running dragnets around entire cities for everybody who has violated every kind of law.
[12:43.420 --> 12:49.560]  Maybe we should extend it to some more minor things like traffic infractions, parking tickets, overdue library books, what have you.
[12:50.060 --> 12:51.160]  There are all kinds of things.
[12:51.260 --> 12:54.960]  I guarantee you, you take any 10 people and you'll find something on one of them.
[12:56.220 --> 12:58.740]  So, you know, maybe we're just not filling the prisons fast enough.
[12:58.920 --> 13:02.340]  I don't know what the goal here is to catch all these people.
[13:02.620 --> 13:05.540]  Seems to me we're pretty good at catching the ones that we really want to catch.
[13:05.760 --> 13:07.320]  You know, how long did it take to find Timothy McVeigh?
[13:07.360 --> 13:12.740]  How long did it take to, you know, figure out who's behind, you know, some of the worst crimes going on?
[13:12.840 --> 13:19.220]  So law and justice is a hazy sort of thing where you have a whole scale of, like, really bad criminal and not so bad criminal?
[13:19.840 --> 13:22.940]  I think law is pretty hazy to start with based on...
[13:22.940 --> 13:24.640]  So we'll say felon and misdemeanor.
[13:24.820 --> 13:30.120]  So you would, you know, say that this system should be pointed at felons and not necessarily...
[13:30.120 --> 13:31.800]  No, I don't think the system should be pointed at anyone.
[13:31.800 --> 13:44.660]  I think the system we have is fine and dandy where, you know, we can find criminals based on people recognizing them or based on them doing something stupid like using a credit card with their name on it you know, to rent a car or something like that.
[13:45.220 --> 13:49.220]  You know, things like that because criminals tend to do things that get them caught eventually.
[13:49.720 --> 13:49.960]  All right.
[13:50.060 --> 13:51.260]  You know, I just...
[13:51.260 --> 14:03.500]  At some point, I think when you sacrifice liberty, you know, you wind up losing, they who sacrifice essential liberty for temporary security deserve neither liberty nor security.
[14:03.700 --> 14:04.700]  Did George Bush say that?
[14:04.840 --> 14:07.140]  No, that was Ben Franklin in 1751.
[14:07.260 --> 14:07.920]  How about that?
[14:08.080 --> 14:08.220]  Yeah.
[14:08.760 --> 14:10.200]  I'll bet George Bush heard that.
[14:10.460 --> 14:11.540]  I think he did.
[14:11.660 --> 14:12.940]  Prontly forgot it, but...
[14:12.940 --> 14:14.200]  Well, I don't know about that.
[14:14.540 --> 14:15.000]  All right.
[14:15.140 --> 14:20.940]  Well, speaking of 4th of July, a couple of announcements.
[14:21.120 --> 14:22.960]  First of all, for some reason that...
[14:22.960 --> 14:25.760]  Remember last year, we did the...
[14:25.760 --> 14:26.580]  Actually, no, you weren't here.
[14:26.740 --> 14:26.960]  I'm sorry.
[14:27.100 --> 14:28.260]  I told you to keep bringing this up.
[14:28.620 --> 14:36.420]  But last year, after the radio program, we all gathered around outside in the hallway and watched the fireworks display outside on the East River.
[14:37.020 --> 14:38.540]  And it was amazing.
[14:38.540 --> 14:39.200]  It really was.
[14:39.200 --> 14:41.020]  It was right after our show, too.
[14:41.080 --> 14:43.200]  The show ended and then immediately, bang, boom, you know?
[14:43.480 --> 14:44.980]  And it wasn't the listeners this time.
[14:44.980 --> 14:47.100]  It was actual fireworks, you know, going off.
[14:47.520 --> 14:54.320]  And this year, for reasons that I have yet to understand, the fireworks aren't taking place tonight.
[14:54.320 --> 14:55.620]  They're taking place tomorrow night.
[14:56.040 --> 15:06.040]  And I've asked, I've called the city, I've called all kinds of agencies, and I could not get a response that was not tinged with sarcasm.
[15:07.940 --> 15:08.380]  So...
[15:08.380 --> 15:08.900]  I'm sorry, man.
[15:08.900 --> 15:09.620]  No fireworks tonight.
[15:09.740 --> 15:10.360]  I'm sorry, folks.
[15:10.520 --> 15:11.320]  It's just the way it is.
[15:11.400 --> 15:12.520]  We have no control over it, apparently.
[15:12.820 --> 15:15.160]  What if you go out to Grucci and, like, give them last year's calendar?
[15:15.300 --> 15:15.620]  I don't know.
[15:15.620 --> 15:17.320]  So they think that this is the form?
[15:18.440 --> 15:23.840]  But this important announcement, the Ronald Reagan Death Watch starts at 3 a.m., not at midnight.
[15:23.880 --> 15:30.920]  And the reason I bring that up is because that's something that has been mired in confusion for the last, well, it's the 13th one now.
[15:32.540 --> 15:35.100]  And the thing is, it starts at 3 a.m.
[15:35.120 --> 15:37.460]  because it's on the West Coast.
[15:38.380 --> 15:43.700]  You have to judge these things by the time zone of where the person is, not your time zone.
[15:43.940 --> 15:44.320]  All right?
[15:44.440 --> 15:46.100]  So every year, the same thing happens.
[15:46.140 --> 15:48.660]  So I'm trying to make sure that there's no confusion at all this year.
[15:49.440 --> 15:51.600]  You have a look of ashen horror on your face, Isaac.
[15:52.120 --> 15:53.820]  What's something you want to share with us?
[15:53.820 --> 15:56.260]  The Ronald Reagan Death Watch?
[15:56.620 --> 15:56.900]  Yeah.
[15:57.780 --> 16:00.200]  Surely you know about the Ronald Reagan Death Watch.
[16:01.380 --> 16:01.820]  Okay.
[16:01.960 --> 16:02.740]  We'll pull up an iceberg.
[16:03.140 --> 16:04.640]  I'll tell you all a little story here.
[16:05.280 --> 16:06.340]  I can't believe this.
[16:06.420 --> 16:07.400]  You really don't know about this.
[16:07.500 --> 16:07.660]  Okay.
[16:08.360 --> 16:11.860]  Well, fortunately for you, I do have some documentation here.
[16:11.860 --> 16:12.680]  Let me just gather it together.
[16:14.820 --> 16:16.380]  It's very convenient that it's here.
[16:16.560 --> 16:16.800]  Yeah.
[16:16.920 --> 16:20.740]  Well, I carry it with me at all times because it's important to be prepared.
[16:21.020 --> 16:23.140]  I mean, you carry, what, the Constitution with you at all times?
[16:23.380 --> 16:23.920]  Yes, I do, actually.
[16:24.020 --> 16:24.660]  And you've used it.
[16:24.680 --> 16:24.780]  Right here.
[16:24.900 --> 16:25.940]  You've used it to hurt somebody.
[16:25.940 --> 16:28.820]  I've taken it out and quoted from it regularly.
[16:28.880 --> 16:29.120]  All right.
[16:29.280 --> 16:30.120]  Well, here's the deal.
[16:31.220 --> 16:32.540]  We'll start simply.
[16:33.140 --> 16:37.780]  You know the whole story with what happens to presidents elected in years ending in zero.
[16:37.980 --> 16:38.440]  All right?
[16:38.640 --> 16:38.860]  Yes.
[16:39.980 --> 16:42.940]  Now, usually they die in office.
[16:43.320 --> 16:44.820]  You know, they get killed somehow.
[16:44.900 --> 16:48.340]  They get a cold or they fall off something high or whatever.
[16:48.520 --> 16:48.640]  Right.
[16:50.380 --> 16:55.080]  And, in fact, the last election was the year 2000, so that technically qualifies.
[16:55.320 --> 16:57.720]  So Al Gore might have something to worry about in a few years.
[17:00.400 --> 17:05.720]  But apart from that, apart from that, 1980 was the last time this happened.
[17:05.920 --> 17:09.920]  And as we all know, Ronald Reagan did not succumb to that particular curse.
[17:10.060 --> 17:10.540]  It came close.
[17:10.720 --> 17:11.360]  He came very close.
[17:11.380 --> 17:12.040]  It came very close.
[17:13.580 --> 17:15.280]  It almost got the Soviets real mad.
[17:15.880 --> 17:18.400]  But, no.
[17:18.620 --> 17:19.540]  He's still with us.
[17:19.640 --> 17:22.420]  So it would appear that that curse does not really exist.
[17:24.160 --> 17:24.760]  But, no.
[17:25.500 --> 17:25.940]  But, no.
[17:26.040 --> 17:27.660]  There is a story behind this.
[17:27.740 --> 17:34.120]  And to investigate this story a little bit better, let's just go back in time a little bit.
[17:35.020 --> 17:35.420]  Okay.
[17:36.320 --> 17:40.520]  Every 20 years, we have a president elected in a year ending in zero.
[17:40.940 --> 17:41.300]  Correct?
[17:41.800 --> 17:42.020]  Yes.
[17:42.120 --> 17:44.040]  Alright, so 2000 was Al Gore.
[17:44.420 --> 17:44.780]  1980.
[17:45.980 --> 17:47.440]  Alright, we'll not even go.
[17:47.440 --> 17:50.080]  Do you actually want to say that this fate will befall George W.
[17:50.220 --> 17:50.640]  Bush, Isaac?
[17:51.820 --> 17:52.180]  Unfortunately...
[17:52.180 --> 17:52.900]  This is your chance.
[17:53.040 --> 17:53.340]  Come on.
[17:54.140 --> 17:55.400]  He's the elected president.
[17:55.640 --> 17:57.640]  Unfortunately, he's in this particular category.
[17:58.640 --> 17:59.720]  Alright, well, you said that.
[17:59.780 --> 18:00.820]  You said that, not me.
[18:00.820 --> 18:04.360]  I would never dare to say such a thing about the commander-in-chief on the radio.
[18:04.460 --> 18:05.360]  I hope it doesn't happen.
[18:05.620 --> 18:06.180]  But, you know...
[18:06.180 --> 18:06.620]  Alright, well, whatever.
[18:06.780 --> 18:07.500]  This is a provable...
[18:07.500 --> 18:07.900]  19...
[18:07.900 --> 18:09.340]  Let's just try to get out of this.
[18:09.760 --> 18:10.120]  1980.
[18:10.120 --> 18:11.580]  It was Ronald Reagan, as we said.
[18:12.020 --> 18:12.380]  1960.
[18:12.960 --> 18:13.800]  Who was 1960?
[18:14.940 --> 18:16.000]  An excellent question.
[18:17.280 --> 18:23.260]  I don't mean to put you on the spot here, so if you want, I can just go over it without embarrassing you every 20 years because you don't...
[18:23.260 --> 18:23.840]  I don't know either.
[18:23.940 --> 18:24.440]  Nobody knows.
[18:24.620 --> 18:28.380]  In this country, nobody knows when people were elected, the history, anything like that.
[18:28.420 --> 18:30.500]  If you go to England, you ask anybody.
[18:30.540 --> 18:32.400]  People lying in the street that don't have a home.
[18:32.600 --> 18:38.480]  Not that that's a measure of intelligence by any stretch, but the point is everybody there gets an education on the country's history.
[18:38.600 --> 18:43.960]  They will all know not only the kings and queens and when they were elected, they will know our presidents and why they were elected.
[18:43.960 --> 18:44.100]  Wait a second.
[18:44.560 --> 18:45.700]  Kings and queens are elected?
[18:46.140 --> 18:46.580]  Well, yeah.
[18:46.660 --> 18:47.800]  How else do you have to be a king or queen?
[18:48.720 --> 18:49.040]  Okay.
[18:49.360 --> 18:50.260]  We'll keep going there.
[18:50.260 --> 18:53.720]  We really don't have time to go over all the fundamentals of politics, I see.
[18:54.020 --> 18:54.420]  All right.
[18:54.500 --> 18:55.180]  Well, let's see.
[18:55.300 --> 18:55.620]  Who...
[18:55.620 --> 18:57.880]  A president that was assassinated...
[18:57.880 --> 18:58.840]  Watch the Holy Grail sometime.
[18:59.060 --> 19:00.460]  They talk about electing kings there.
[19:00.640 --> 19:01.120]  I don't know.
[19:01.440 --> 19:02.620]  1960 was John F.
[19:02.760 --> 19:02.880]  Kennedy.
[19:03.040 --> 19:03.800]  Back and to the left.
[19:03.900 --> 19:04.200]  Yeah, okay.
[19:04.300 --> 19:05.580]  You might have recalled that.
[19:05.680 --> 19:05.960]  And John F.
[19:06.000 --> 19:07.020]  Kennedy didn't fare so well.
[19:07.080 --> 19:12.520]  He was killed in office by a previously mentioned Lee Harvey Oswald or so it seems.
[19:13.520 --> 19:13.980]  All right.
[19:14.180 --> 19:14.840]  We don't know.
[19:14.860 --> 19:15.320]  We don't know.
[19:15.420 --> 19:15.760]  We don't know.
[19:15.800 --> 19:16.820]  The jury is still out on that.
[19:16.840 --> 19:18.200]  In fact, I don't think the jury is coming back.
[19:19.500 --> 19:22.000]  1940, Franklin Delano Roosevelt.
[19:22.380 --> 19:23.440]  He also died in office.
[19:23.580 --> 19:24.620]  He had a bit of a reign.
[19:24.820 --> 19:27.840]  Now, which term of that was at his first, second, or third term?
[19:28.200 --> 19:33.480]  Actually, well, you see, technically it doesn't matter when it was as long as they're elected in a year ending in zero.
[19:33.700 --> 19:38.580]  So, he was elected first in 1933 but he was re-elected time and time and time again.
[19:39.180 --> 19:41.560]  In fact, he's the reason why we have the two-term limit.
[19:41.740 --> 19:41.840]  Yes.
[19:43.200 --> 19:52.400]  1940, he was re-elected and he died in 1945, April 12, 1945, died of a cerebral hemorrhage in his fourth term.
[19:52.760 --> 19:57.100]  Most people get it in their brain but he got it in his fourth term.
[19:59.800 --> 20:00.880]  Fourth term, yes.
[20:01.680 --> 20:02.400]  Okay, 1920.
[20:03.820 --> 20:06.360]  1920 was Warren G.
[20:06.500 --> 20:06.760]  Harding.
[20:07.100 --> 20:07.520]  Mm-hmm.
[20:08.080 --> 20:08.680]  Warren G.
[20:08.840 --> 20:15.640]  Harding was elected in 1920 and he died August 2, 1923.
[20:16.860 --> 20:17.480]  And you know what?
[20:17.520 --> 20:20.620]  I don't know how he died but it's obvious that he died during his term.
[20:21.020 --> 20:21.880]  So, Warren G.
[20:21.980 --> 20:23.140]  Harding is...
[20:23.140 --> 20:23.720]  Dead.
[20:24.180 --> 20:28.940]  Yeah, well, he's definitely dead but he definitely died in office so the curse goes all the way back to 1920.
[20:29.680 --> 20:30.760]  Let's go to 1900.
[20:31.120 --> 20:31.880]  Theodore Roosevelt.
[20:32.480 --> 20:37.600]  All right, Theodore Roosevelt was elected in 19...
[20:37.600 --> 20:38.480]  Hang on a second.
[20:38.600 --> 20:39.260]  I'm checking this.
[20:39.360 --> 20:39.880]  I'm checking this.
[20:41.940 --> 20:43.000]  No, I'm afraid...
[20:43.000 --> 20:43.560]  I'm afraid...
[20:44.280 --> 20:45.240]  I'm afraid...
[20:45.240 --> 20:46.620]  The naysayer over there is wrong.
[20:46.920 --> 20:51.040]  Theodore Roosevelt was elected in 1900 and put into office in 1901.
[20:51.320 --> 20:52.660]  Do you have something to say about this, Jim?
[20:53.940 --> 20:57.200]  William McKinley elected 1900...
[20:57.200 --> 21:01.220]  re-elected 1900 assassinated 1901 in Buffalo, New York.
[21:01.920 --> 21:02.220]  Hmm.
[21:03.240 --> 21:06.960]  Well, then the facts that I got off this webpage are wrong because it says...
[21:06.960 --> 21:08.000]  Actually, you know what?
[21:08.060 --> 21:08.600]  No, you're right.
[21:08.820 --> 21:09.360]  You know why you're right?
[21:09.360 --> 21:10.740]  Because the way they phrase it...
[21:10.740 --> 21:12.540]  Okay, the way they phrase it is...
[21:13.480 --> 21:16.880]  Okay, William McKinley was elected in 1897.
[21:17.100 --> 21:19.060]  Theodore Roosevelt was elected in 1901.
[21:19.600 --> 21:25.660]  So, basically, what it doesn't say is that William McKinley died in 1901 as well.
[21:26.580 --> 21:26.940]  That's...
[21:26.940 --> 21:27.840]  Okay, that was my mistake then.
[21:27.860 --> 21:30.480]  I should have investigated that a little bit closer and realized that...
[21:30.480 --> 21:31.800]  But, you see, that's the kind of thing.
[21:31.960 --> 21:34.580]  You know, you could say, okay, Theodore Roosevelt did not die in office in...
[21:36.040 --> 21:36.960]  which he did not.
[21:37.940 --> 21:38.540]  So, okay.
[21:38.660 --> 21:38.800]  That's positive.
[21:38.800 --> 21:41.940]  Actually, to save my ass because I would have proven myself wrong if I didn't know that.
[21:42.960 --> 21:43.520]  All right.
[21:47.820 --> 21:48.180]  1880.
[21:50.120 --> 21:50.840]  1880 was...
[21:50.840 --> 21:52.160]  I'm seeing an orange cat.
[21:52.680 --> 21:53.040]  Jack.
[21:55.440 --> 21:56.140]  That's right.
[21:56.260 --> 21:57.420]  Chester Allen Arthur.
[21:57.660 --> 21:57.960]  Ah.
[21:58.200 --> 21:58.360]  Yeah.
[21:58.440 --> 22:04.720]  Chester Allen Arthur was elected in 1881.
[22:05.080 --> 22:05.680]  One.
[22:06.080 --> 22:08.200]  And he died in 1886.
[22:09.660 --> 22:11.620]  His term was over in 1885.
[22:12.660 --> 22:14.260]  Oh, it looks like I'm wrong yet again.
[22:14.360 --> 22:15.080]  But wait, what's this?
[22:15.260 --> 22:16.300]  James Garfield.
[22:16.820 --> 22:17.260]  18...
[22:17.260 --> 22:17.500]  Oh, yes.
[22:17.640 --> 22:19.400]  He was elected in 1880.
[22:20.180 --> 22:21.680]  But he died in 1881.
[22:21.680 --> 22:24.340]  He died in September 19th, 1881.
[22:24.820 --> 22:25.260]  Hmm.
[22:25.780 --> 22:26.480]  He was shot.
[22:26.880 --> 22:29.100]  He was shot in July and he died in September.
[22:29.320 --> 22:30.500]  That was a lingering wound.
[22:33.520 --> 22:34.820]  Nobody saw anything, you know?
[22:34.880 --> 22:36.340]  That was how they were back then.
[22:37.240 --> 22:40.920]  But anyway, after he bled to death, that's when...
[22:40.920 --> 22:41.320]  Very slow.
[22:41.480 --> 22:43.120]  ...Chester Allen Arthur took over.
[22:43.320 --> 22:48.820]  And so James Garfield was elected in 1880 and died in office.
[22:49.920 --> 22:50.720]  Okay, 1860.
[22:50.940 --> 22:51.660]  Now this one I know.
[22:51.740 --> 22:52.500]  Abraham Lincoln.
[22:52.600 --> 22:52.740]  Yes.
[22:52.740 --> 22:56.200]  We all know about him and his ill-fated decision to go to the movies that night.
[22:57.260 --> 22:57.660]  And...
[22:57.660 --> 23:00.620]  Which is a whole separate thing so far as Kennedy and Lincoln.
[23:00.840 --> 23:02.840]  I mean, there's a whole bunch of bizarre parallels there.
[23:02.960 --> 23:04.380]  Yeah, but that's what we're talking about tonight.
[23:04.520 --> 23:04.560]  Okay.
[23:04.560 --> 23:05.520]  This is a computer hacker show.
[23:05.620 --> 23:06.340]  It's got nothing to do with that.
[23:06.480 --> 23:06.960]  I'm sorry.
[23:07.460 --> 23:07.740]  All right.
[23:08.720 --> 23:11.120]  Let's go back to 1840.
[23:12.460 --> 23:13.780]  1840 is John Tyler.
[23:14.600 --> 23:15.440]  He was a Whig.
[23:17.400 --> 23:18.160]  Wait a second.
[23:18.400 --> 23:19.300]  Yeah, and...
[23:19.300 --> 23:19.720]  Tyler?
[23:19.940 --> 23:21.800]  Yeah, he died in 1862.
[23:22.480 --> 23:23.160]  Now, wait a minute.
[23:23.700 --> 23:24.220]  He didn't die.
[23:24.220 --> 23:25.080]  There's another problem here.
[23:25.220 --> 23:26.800]  Okay, he was elected in 18...
[23:26.800 --> 23:31.100]  Well, he served his term from 1841 and...
[23:31.600 --> 23:31.960]  1840.
[23:31.960 --> 23:34.040]  He stopped in 1845.
[23:34.160 --> 23:35.200]  Stopped being president in 1845.
[23:35.360 --> 23:36.080]  He died in 1862.
[23:36.140 --> 23:37.140]  So it appears I'm wrong yet.
[23:37.220 --> 23:38.080]  Oh, who's this?
[23:38.180 --> 23:38.960]  William Henry Harrison.
[23:39.340 --> 23:41.040]  He was elected in 1840.
[23:41.200 --> 23:41.600]  Okay.
[23:41.620 --> 23:42.600]  Now it makes sense.
[23:42.760 --> 23:48.700]  He was elected in 1840 and he died in 1841 and was succeeded that year by John Tyler.
[23:49.200 --> 23:54.700]  Now, this is the jerk who gave his election speech the longest...
[23:54.700 --> 23:55.400]  inaugural speech.
[23:55.500 --> 23:57.920]  The longest inaugural speech in history.
[23:57.920 --> 24:02.560]  And he insisted on giving it outside in the cold, wet rain of...
[24:02.560 --> 24:03.540]  I believe it was March.
[24:03.680 --> 24:06.980]  In those times, they gave the inauguration speech.
[24:07.200 --> 24:09.020]  They were inaugurated in March instead of January.
[24:09.240 --> 24:09.360]  Right.
[24:09.640 --> 24:12.320]  But it was still too cold to give a speech outside.
[24:12.320 --> 24:17.140]  So he caught pneumonia from giving his speech and died April 4th, 1841.
[24:17.820 --> 24:19.240]  One month into office.
[24:19.500 --> 24:20.560]  30-something days, yeah.
[24:22.840 --> 24:23.320]  Darwinism.
[24:23.340 --> 24:23.980]  That's what that is.
[24:25.100 --> 24:25.800]  All right.
[24:25.980 --> 24:28.400]  So now we're all the way back to 1840.
[24:28.580 --> 24:32.700]  We're getting perilously close to the beginning of the country or the beginning of presidents, anyway.
[24:33.500 --> 24:36.140]  Let's go back to 1820.
[24:36.880 --> 24:47.240]  And we have James Monroe who first started serving as president in 1817 and lasted all the way until 1825.
[24:48.620 --> 24:50.760]  And he died in 1831.
[24:51.860 --> 24:52.380]  Hmm.
[24:52.380 --> 24:54.160]  Hmm, so I'm wrong yet again.
[24:54.280 --> 24:58.640]  So let me find that person who died right before him and you know what?
[24:58.900 --> 25:00.120]  There isn't one this time.
[25:01.280 --> 25:01.760]  Really?
[25:02.000 --> 25:02.280]  Yeah.
[25:03.120 --> 25:06.320]  He was actually elected in 1820 and managed to survive his time.
[25:06.320 --> 25:10.160]  So this is why people say that it happened most times.
[25:10.680 --> 25:11.400]  Most times.
[25:11.620 --> 25:16.700]  And consecutively from 1840 until when Ronald Reagan broke the curse in 1980.
[25:16.900 --> 25:17.620]  It happened all the time.
[25:18.120 --> 25:21.660]  Now most radio shows would close the book at this point and move on to something else.
[25:21.660 --> 25:22.620]  But not us.
[25:23.380 --> 25:24.460]  No, we're dedicated here.
[25:24.460 --> 25:25.700]  We're going to stay with this because...
[25:25.700 --> 25:27.340]  Some would say insane but we'll say dedicated.
[25:27.420 --> 25:32.360]  We've uncovered other facts that need to be brought out.
[25:32.660 --> 25:32.840]  Oh?
[25:33.560 --> 25:37.960]  James Monroe did not die in office but he did die.
[25:39.460 --> 25:39.820]  Well...
[25:39.820 --> 25:40.280]  Oh wait.
[25:40.320 --> 25:40.840]  Yes he did.
[25:41.880 --> 25:42.720]  Don't poo-poo this.
[25:42.900 --> 25:43.780]  There's more to it than that.
[25:43.920 --> 25:44.380]  Yes he did.
[25:44.520 --> 25:44.700]  Alright.
[25:44.920 --> 25:45.420]  When did he die?
[25:45.460 --> 25:46.500]  Look at the date he died.
[25:46.660 --> 25:47.180]  When was that?
[25:47.340 --> 25:49.140]  July 4th, 1831.
[25:49.140 --> 25:49.900]  Really?
[25:50.080 --> 25:50.480]  Mm-hmm.
[25:50.640 --> 25:51.500]  The 4th of July.
[25:52.240 --> 25:59.860]  Now, there was one other president before James Monroe who was elected in a year ending in zero.
[26:00.000 --> 26:00.500]  Do you know who that was?
[26:00.600 --> 26:01.660]  I think that was Thomas Jefferson.
[26:01.680 --> 26:02.040]  You're right.
[26:02.120 --> 26:02.900]  You would be correct in that.
[26:02.900 --> 26:03.140]  In 1800.
[26:03.420 --> 26:08.940]  He was elected in 1800 and he served from 1801 to 1809 and he also did not die in office.
[26:09.280 --> 26:10.620]  But do you know what day he died on?
[26:10.940 --> 26:11.320]  Uh-huh.
[26:11.320 --> 26:13.760]  July 4th, 1826.
[26:14.280 --> 26:15.020]  I'll be damned.
[26:15.380 --> 26:15.840]  So, yeah.
[26:16.240 --> 26:25.800]  The curse exists in a certain way but nobody ever touches on this fact that every president elected in a year ending in zero has either died in office or died on July 4th.
[26:26.120 --> 26:29.980]  Hence, the 13th annual Ronald Reagan Death Watch begins at 3 a.m.
[26:30.600 --> 26:31.540]  Runs until 3 a.m.
[26:31.780 --> 26:32.560]  on Thursday.
[26:32.940 --> 26:33.720]  Does that answer your question?
[26:33.980 --> 26:34.480]  Yes, it does.
[26:34.540 --> 26:36.560]  But I hope you don't have very many more because we only have an hour.
[26:37.000 --> 26:42.940]  I should point out though as a little side note to this that Thomas Jefferson died on July 4th, 1826.
[26:43.320 --> 26:48.260]  John Adams, the president right before him, also died on July 4th, 1826.
[26:48.660 --> 26:49.700]  Well, they had a very...
[26:49.700 --> 26:51.500]  A single day two presidents dying.
[26:51.660 --> 26:52.020]  I mean, that's...
[26:52.020 --> 26:52.380]  that's...
[26:52.380 --> 26:53.020]  that's something.
[26:53.700 --> 26:54.060]  Okay.
[26:55.880 --> 26:57.180]  I went to Mexico this weekend.
[26:57.520 --> 26:58.760]  You went to Mexico this weekend?
[26:58.780 --> 26:59.480]  I went to Mexico this weekend.
[26:59.560 --> 27:00.920]  It just felt like taking a little road trip.
[27:01.080 --> 27:02.300]  Well, yeah, I took a plane trip to...
[27:02.300 --> 27:04.320]  You weren't chased by various authorities, were you?
[27:04.600 --> 27:06.540]  I was stopped by a whole lot of authorities.
[27:06.820 --> 27:07.240]  I'll tell you that.
[27:07.540 --> 27:08.380]  I mean, it really was.
[27:09.080 --> 27:10.260]  But Mexico is...
[27:10.840 --> 27:12.300]  It's always fun in Mexico, you know?
[27:12.520 --> 27:13.840]  It's always kind of...
[27:14.400 --> 27:16.900]  It's relaxed in one way and kind of...
[27:16.900 --> 27:18.120]  Kind of...
[27:18.120 --> 27:19.020]  I don't know.
[27:19.060 --> 27:19.600]  What's the term?
[27:19.860 --> 27:21.060]  You're bordering on...
[27:21.740 --> 27:21.840]  On...
[27:21.840 --> 27:22.220]  Bordering.
[27:22.800 --> 27:22.880]  Yeah.
[27:23.320 --> 27:25.420]  Bordering on peril and mayhem.
[27:25.800 --> 27:26.720]  You know, like...
[27:26.720 --> 27:30.020]  If you walk around the streets, you might trip over something that could kill you.
[27:30.420 --> 27:32.160]  Like a spike sticking out of the ground.
[27:32.380 --> 27:33.180]  Or the water.
[27:33.880 --> 27:35.300]  Well, I didn't really...
[27:35.300 --> 27:36.140]  Trip over the water?
[27:36.420 --> 27:37.460]  No, not that much, anyway.
[27:38.060 --> 27:38.800]  But, um...
[27:38.800 --> 27:40.200]  Stopped by the army a couple of times.
[27:40.400 --> 27:41.620]  The army with big guns.
[27:41.800 --> 27:42.840]  You know, they stop you...
[27:42.840 --> 27:43.420]  Oh, the federales...
[27:43.420 --> 27:44.760]  Yeah, the federales.
[27:44.900 --> 27:46.800]  They stop you to ask you various things.
[27:47.080 --> 27:49.920]  Like, are you carrying any weapons that are bigger than ours?
[27:50.840 --> 27:51.280]  And...
[27:51.280 --> 27:52.040]  Well, I know.
[27:52.400 --> 27:57.620]  It's just something about being stopped on a border within a country that you aren't a part of that, uh...
[27:57.620 --> 27:59.320]  That makes you kind of, uh...
[27:59.320 --> 27:59.620]  You know.
[27:59.780 --> 27:59.940]  Hmm.
[28:00.140 --> 28:01.920]  Maybe we should establish this around Florida.
[28:02.220 --> 28:02.420]  Mm-hmm.
[28:02.920 --> 28:03.880]  That'd be kind of interesting.
[28:04.520 --> 28:06.580]  Driving south through Georgia, you wind up at the...
[28:06.580 --> 28:07.740]  at the Florida border.
[28:07.860 --> 28:08.640]  Such a nice place, though.
[28:08.780 --> 28:14.460]  I mean, it smells like diesel in most of the places because there is, you know, a lot of pollution in the city, certainly.
[28:15.140 --> 28:15.780]  And, uh...
[28:15.780 --> 28:17.580]  I think that's something that really needs to be dealt with.
[28:18.420 --> 28:18.780]  Um...
[28:18.780 --> 28:19.260]  But it's...
[28:19.260 --> 28:20.500]  It's very picturesque.
[28:20.500 --> 28:21.240]  People are very friendly.
[28:21.300 --> 28:26.240]  I don't think I heard a single raised voice the whole time I was there from...
[28:26.880 --> 28:27.820]  You know, from Mexicans.
[28:28.140 --> 28:29.100]  They were, uh...
[28:29.100 --> 28:30.940]  the friendliest people I, uh...
[28:31.320 --> 28:31.920]  I've known.
[28:32.040 --> 28:34.880]  I mean, I've been there several times and it's always a very friendly place.
[28:35.020 --> 28:35.720]  ¿Se habla Español?
[28:35.720 --> 28:35.820]  Yeah.
[28:36.020 --> 28:38.920]  And, you know, I don't know if I'd be so friendly if I was to the south of us.
[28:39.160 --> 28:40.280]  Just, you know, the way they...
[28:40.860 --> 28:42.940]  they treat Mexicans coming into this country.
[28:43.080 --> 28:45.440]  I mean, the way they treat Americans coming into this country is unbelievable.
[28:46.420 --> 28:46.960]  But, uh...
[28:46.960 --> 28:49.840]  I mean, the guy we got was friendly, you know, letting us back in.
[28:49.840 --> 28:51.680]  Did you drive across or did you fly in?
[28:51.840 --> 28:53.400]  Yeah, rented a car and drove across.
[28:53.840 --> 28:55.300]  You know, got the whole Mexican insurance deal.
[28:55.440 --> 28:58.680]  Because you have to get more insurance in Mexico because everyone's crazy there or something.
[28:58.940 --> 29:00.380]  I don't know what the rationale is, but...
[29:00.380 --> 29:00.780]  It's international.
[29:01.360 --> 29:04.140]  Yeah, but I mean, you can drive a rental car to Canada and it's not a problem.
[29:04.600 --> 29:07.480]  But driving to Mexico, you have to, you know, sign your life away.
[29:10.260 --> 29:13.060]  So, hopefully one day that border will be a lot more open.
[29:13.540 --> 29:18.740]  People will be able to move about freely, sharing various benefits from either side.
[29:18.740 --> 29:20.460]  Because there certainly are a lot.
[29:20.700 --> 29:22.540]  Isn't this what NAFTA was supposed to talk about?
[29:22.800 --> 29:22.820]  Yeah.
[29:22.860 --> 29:23.880]  That's not working, is it?
[29:24.900 --> 29:25.460]  Oh, well.
[29:26.060 --> 29:30.220]  I mean, you know, you have the factories moving down to the south of the border.
[29:30.780 --> 29:32.040]  The giant sucking sound?
[29:32.060 --> 29:32.260]  Yeah.
[29:32.400 --> 29:35.540]  And, you know, they pay people slave wages down there and they make lots of money.
[29:36.160 --> 29:41.640]  But a single, solitary Mexican trying to go to California to get, you know, something better in his life.
[29:41.720 --> 29:41.860]  Nope.
[29:42.220 --> 29:42.820]  Can't allow that.
[29:43.140 --> 29:45.160]  Well, if he has the proper paperwork in order.
[29:45.480 --> 29:45.680]  Uh-huh.
[29:45.760 --> 29:47.900]  How do you get the proper paperwork in order?
[29:48.740 --> 29:49.460]  How do you do that?
[29:49.720 --> 29:50.760]  It's an excellent question.
[29:50.780 --> 29:51.640]  I've never had to.
[29:52.680 --> 29:53.900]  Be Mexican for a day.
[29:54.220 --> 29:56.040]  I don't want to, quite honestly.
[29:56.320 --> 29:57.800]  I would much rather stay right here.
[29:57.960 --> 29:58.220]  Uh-huh.
[29:58.760 --> 30:01.540]  And tomorrow celebrate the greatness that is America.
[30:02.660 --> 30:05.000]  You just contradicted yourself, but I'm not going to get into that.
[30:06.300 --> 30:07.120]  How is that?
[30:07.120 --> 30:08.500]  Well, I mean, okay.
[30:08.780 --> 30:14.320]  Looking through the bulletproof glass here that separates the two of us, you do not look like Native American.
[30:14.580 --> 30:17.880]  You look like someone whose ancestors came here to seek a better life.
[30:18.200 --> 30:18.420]  Cool.
[30:19.200 --> 30:23.740]  And in so doing, that's what people in other countries continue to this day to try to do.
[30:23.940 --> 30:24.740]  Now, Mexico is...
[30:24.740 --> 30:26.980]  Last I checked, I was born in North America.
[30:27.140 --> 30:27.280]  Yeah.
[30:27.280 --> 30:29.400]  I said your ancestors, your people before you.
[30:30.020 --> 30:30.420]  Yeah.
[30:30.620 --> 30:30.760]  Okay.
[30:30.760 --> 30:32.680]  I was born here in North America.
[30:32.800 --> 30:32.920]  Right.
[30:32.940 --> 30:34.020]  We're talking about your ancestors.
[30:34.100 --> 30:34.940]  We're talking about the people before you.
[30:35.140 --> 30:39.420]  We're talking about the people who came here to make a better life and came up with you.
[30:39.980 --> 30:40.200]  Okay.
[30:43.860 --> 30:50.160]  Obviously, they had the right to do that because, you know, they were able to figure out how to get here.
[30:50.700 --> 30:51.100]  Yeah.
[30:51.100 --> 30:52.180]  But today, it's different.
[30:52.320 --> 30:55.480]  Today, it's like the Statue of Liberties have a big sign saying, sorry, we're full.
[30:55.660 --> 30:57.160]  You know, there's no more room here at the inn.
[30:57.760 --> 31:03.660]  Go back and, you know, do things in your particular land and don't bother with us anymore.
[31:03.880 --> 31:05.880]  But, you know, it's okay the other way around.
[31:05.880 --> 31:08.660]  When we need to go there and get help from them, yeah, fine.
[31:08.860 --> 31:11.400]  Let's move the factories down to their particular country.
[31:11.460 --> 31:12.220]  And it's not just Mexico.
[31:12.380 --> 31:13.200]  It's all over the world.
[31:13.400 --> 31:18.380]  Move them any place you want and pay pennies a day and make profits.
[31:18.580 --> 31:20.180]  Make American dollars in profits.
[31:20.520 --> 31:21.120]  That's okay.
[31:21.300 --> 31:22.080]  It's hypocritical.
[31:23.100 --> 31:24.240]  Why is that hypocritical?
[31:24.260 --> 31:24.580]  Oh, boy.
[31:24.900 --> 31:25.880]  We only have an hour.
[31:26.460 --> 31:26.820]  Okay.
[31:26.900 --> 31:30.060]  We really only have an hour, but I didn't want to spend a lot of time on this.
[31:30.160 --> 31:31.020]  Let's go back to the letters.
[31:31.440 --> 31:31.600]  Yeah.
[31:32.880 --> 31:34.900]  An offer on number 212-209-2900.
[31:35.020 --> 31:36.260]  We'll be taking phone calls in just a moment.
[31:39.280 --> 31:47.260]  This person is writing in about the .biz and .info domains, which are starting to work.
[31:47.360 --> 31:52.300]  I don't know if you noticed this, but www.nick.biz, www.nick.info.
[31:52.300 --> 31:53.220]  They're all working now.
[31:53.480 --> 31:56.340]  And they're starting to open it up to other people as well.
[31:57.620 --> 32:00.200]  But it's kind of like a random lottery type of thing.
[32:00.280 --> 32:01.740]  We mentioned this last week where...
[32:01.740 --> 32:04.980]  I'm still investigating an interesting possibility there.
[32:05.720 --> 32:06.960]  What's the possibility you're investigating?
[32:07.160 --> 32:10.320]  That they're actually violating federal gambling laws.
[32:10.320 --> 32:10.960]  Oh, the gambling thing.
[32:11.020 --> 32:11.560]  Yes, absolutely.
[32:11.820 --> 32:12.080]  Absolutely.
[32:14.640 --> 32:15.240]  Let's see.
[32:15.340 --> 32:19.240]  I noticed that the first application period is reserved for trademark and service mark registrations.
[32:19.480 --> 32:23.260]  While I can possibly understand this for .biz, I'm not quite sure I understand it for .info.
[32:23.880 --> 32:34.500]  And while this will grant corporations the freedom to register their precious trademarks, will it not also give them first dibs on registering any protest names such as Coca-Cola, Sucks, .biz, etc.?
[32:34.500 --> 32:35.600]  May I answer this?
[32:36.660 --> 32:37.140]  Um...
[32:37.140 --> 32:37.580]  Yeah.
[32:37.720 --> 32:38.080]  Why not?
[32:38.340 --> 32:39.340]  That's the idea!
[32:39.900 --> 32:41.220]  Well, the idea of what?
[32:41.360 --> 32:44.140]  That's the entire motivation behind letting them go first.
[32:44.280 --> 32:44.400]  Right.
[32:44.560 --> 32:46.160]  Getting all those things out of the way.
[32:46.340 --> 32:52.780]  Yeah, except, do they have a valid trademark for Coca-Cola Sucks .biz?
[32:52.860 --> 32:54.400]  Do they have that as a...
[32:54.400 --> 32:57.660]  I mean, Coca-Cola .biz, no one's gonna argue with that.
[32:57.780 --> 32:59.920]  But Coca-Cola, any word .biz?
[33:00.060 --> 33:01.600]  I mean, do you really think so?
[33:01.740 --> 33:10.600]  Well, evidently, these courts have been finding in the favor of these particular companies, when you register .sucks, or when you register sucks, something.
[33:11.260 --> 33:15.020]  But they've also been finding in favor of people who register critical domains.
[33:15.780 --> 33:19.440]  Hopefully it will be one of them soon, one of these days, when the Ford case gets resolved.
[33:19.620 --> 33:24.480]  Well, the idea is to get the courts entirely uninvolved and simply allow these companies to register them all.
[33:24.560 --> 33:32.120]  Well, I can tell you right now, the courts are gonna get very involved if Coca-Cola Sucks .biz just automatically goes to Coca-Cola without anyone else having a chance to grab it.
[33:32.120 --> 33:35.340]  On the other hand, are they going to actually register every single variant?
[33:35.960 --> 33:37.540]  That might put Coca-Cola out of business.
[33:37.700 --> 33:42.500]  So for those of you who want to save Coca-Cola, by all means, oppose this kind of a thing.
[33:42.520 --> 33:46.180]  Because if they have to register every single one of those, there's no way they could afford it.
[33:46.240 --> 33:49.180]  The point is they're trying, but it's not going to work, unfortunately, for them.
[33:49.180 --> 33:59.340]  Anyway, this person finishes his letter by saying it's a pretty sad commentary on the internet when corporations get to elbow their way through to the front of the feed trowel when new TLDs are made available.
[33:59.980 --> 34:04.820]  And yes, I can't say I'm at all surprised by the way that's working out.
[34:05.980 --> 34:06.540]  You're off the hook.
[34:06.620 --> 34:10.880]  You said on last week's show that you heard a British accent on the BBC on shortwave radio.
[34:11.080 --> 34:13.880]  I'd just like to point out that there is no such thing as a British accent.
[34:13.880 --> 34:21.680]  There's an English accent, a Welsh accent, a Scottish accent, and a Northern Irish accent, but the whole of Britain does not have a collective accent.
[34:22.240 --> 34:24.080]  A lot of Americans don't seem to get that.
[34:24.080 --> 34:25.060]  Is it really that difficult?
[34:25.240 --> 34:25.480]  Yes.
[34:26.220 --> 34:26.940]  Oh, my God.
[34:26.980 --> 34:28.400]  You wouldn't believe how difficult it is.
[34:28.460 --> 34:36.160]  For God's sake, if you've ever gone, obviously this person's gone to England, but if you've gone to England and you walk through the streets of London, every five blocks they have a different accent.
[34:36.160 --> 34:37.820]  For God's sake, there's the East End accent.
[34:38.000 --> 34:39.580]  There's the Southern accent.
[34:39.800 --> 34:41.160]  And that's just within one city.
[34:41.160 --> 34:42.100]  The Piccadilly accent.
[34:42.580 --> 34:43.160]  I mean, everything.
[34:43.380 --> 34:45.760]  They have accents everywhere you look.
[34:45.860 --> 34:47.640]  I don't know how they create so many of them.
[34:48.340 --> 34:49.060]  We're Americans.
[34:49.900 --> 34:51.740]  We're still having trouble with the language, you know?
[34:51.860 --> 34:54.240]  We can't recognize different accents everywhere.
[34:55.080 --> 34:56.860]  So, please, give us a break, you know?
[34:57.140 --> 34:58.980]  British accent, English accent, you know what we mean.
[34:59.120 --> 35:01.960]  And yet, people seem to think there is an American accent.
[35:02.280 --> 35:12.040]  Whereas, if you had a New Yorker and a Bostoner in the same room together, they might not be able to talk to one another because they get so myed in their own particular regional accents.
[35:12.700 --> 35:12.940]  Yes.
[35:13.180 --> 35:14.820]  Well, that's unfortunate.
[35:18.080 --> 35:18.960]  British accent.
[35:19.760 --> 35:20.220]  Okay.
[35:20.660 --> 35:21.060]  What else?
[35:21.080 --> 35:21.920]  He's right, though, basically.
[35:22.360 --> 35:22.480]  Yeah.
[35:24.480 --> 35:25.680]  Just one more thing.
[35:25.820 --> 35:27.440]  I also wanted to point out...
[35:27.440 --> 35:35.560]  I remember last week I pointed out the dialogue taking place on the radio here at WBAI every Monday afternoon at noon with Gary Null.
[35:35.840 --> 35:36.720]  Did you listen to it yesterday?
[35:36.960 --> 35:37.460]  No, I did not.
[35:37.560 --> 35:38.480]  It was amazing.
[35:38.660 --> 35:39.540]  It was absolutely amazing.
[35:39.660 --> 35:44.100]  This is some of the best radio I've heard on the station in a long time, of course, barring this show.
[35:44.200 --> 35:45.360]  Yeah, well, this show is always amazing.
[35:45.420 --> 35:45.620]  Right.
[35:45.840 --> 35:47.120]  It's amazing how we get away with it.
[35:49.220 --> 35:58.460]  But, basically, he had the chairman of the Pacifica Board, Kenneth Ford, on, and he got him to actually say something which I think makes all the difference in the world.
[35:58.460 --> 36:04.220]  You know, that, absolutely not, this radio station is not in the process of being sold.
[36:04.440 --> 36:07.160]  This radio station will not be sold in the time that he is around.
[36:07.460 --> 36:16.160]  And just basically, no, no guarantee, of course, but just to hear somebody say that and realize that they, you know, they're being held accountable for it.
[36:16.760 --> 36:19.020]  And also that this dialogue is being opened up.
[36:19.100 --> 36:25.340]  We heard from several board members, some of them dissident board members, some of them obviously on the other side of issues.
[36:25.800 --> 36:28.080]  And it's just, it takes a lot of courage to do that.
[36:28.480 --> 36:31.720]  And, uh, I never used to listen to that radio show.
[36:31.820 --> 36:33.280]  And now I'm, I'm, I'm glued to it every Monday.
[36:33.880 --> 36:35.380]  So it's, uh, that's what we need.
[36:35.540 --> 36:38.540]  We need dialogue to, uh, to fix the problems around here.
[36:38.620 --> 36:42.340]  And the dialogue is open at this radio show and a bunch of others as well.
[36:42.520 --> 36:45.500]  I think in the end, things are going to work out.
[36:45.700 --> 36:47.640]  And, uh, we'll be happy with the way things work out.
[36:48.520 --> 36:58.420]  So, um, there was a teach-in at the cinema arts center over the weekend, um, for WBAI people in exile and also WBAI listeners.
[36:59.040 --> 37:02.780]  And, um, what happened afterwards was kind of, uh, shocking.
[37:03.820 --> 37:13.680]  Vandals stole two safes, damaged computers, and scrolled graffiti, denouncing radio station WBAI-FM after a Saturday fundraiser at the theater that featured an internet simulcast.
[37:14.380 --> 37:19.400]  And, uh, they were, uh, police were investigating the burglary and vandalism at the arts center in Huntington.
[37:21.000 --> 37:21.480]  And...
[37:22.340 --> 37:23.960]  It was pretty, uh, pretty shocking.
[37:24.220 --> 37:29.180]  And, uh, I can't believe that supporters of the Pacifica National Board would actually stoop to such a level.
[37:30.040 --> 37:30.660]  You know?
[37:31.180 --> 37:32.960]  Now there's violence on both sides.
[37:33.140 --> 37:35.120]  If you want to consider vandalism violence, that is.
[37:35.180 --> 37:36.020]  But, I mean...
[37:36.020 --> 37:36.840]  My God.
[37:38.860 --> 37:39.860]  What are you grinning about?
[37:41.140 --> 37:42.160]  I'm not grinning.
[37:42.320 --> 37:42.580]  Uh-huh.
[37:42.640 --> 37:43.400]  Do you have something to say?
[37:44.600 --> 37:46.260]  No, I'll, I'll reserve comment.
[37:46.440 --> 37:47.060]  Oh, I won't.
[37:48.160 --> 37:51.720]  There's no evidence to suggest that the Pacifica National Board supporters are behind this.
[37:51.900 --> 37:52.100]  But!
[37:53.500 --> 37:57.480]  Whatever something bad happens on the other side, of course, dissidents are blamed.
[37:57.580 --> 37:57.780]  You see?
[37:57.860 --> 37:59.060]  It's, it's, it's nonsense.
[37:59.700 --> 38:01.880]  You can't allow these things to happen or to be...
[38:01.880 --> 38:03.620]  or to define either side.
[38:04.140 --> 38:04.540]  You know?
[38:04.740 --> 38:06.780]  Vandalism is vandalism and must be condemned.
[38:07.060 --> 38:08.500]  Violence is violence, must be condemned.
[38:08.980 --> 38:11.080]  Harassment is harassment, must be condemned.
[38:11.320 --> 38:12.500]  It's not, uh...
[38:12.500 --> 38:14.300]  It's not something that represents either side.
[38:14.600 --> 38:17.940]  So you believe there's no accountability for the leadership of these, uh, particular sides?
[38:17.960 --> 38:19.120]  Of course there's accountability for the leadership.
[38:19.260 --> 38:21.000]  You have to define what that leadership is.
[38:21.160 --> 38:27.720]  And a bunch of vandals on Long Island vandalizing things certainly does not represent anybody involved in this conflict on either side.
[38:28.160 --> 38:29.400]  And I'll be the first to say that.
[38:29.580 --> 38:29.880]  Very good.
[38:29.880 --> 38:36.160]  But at the same time, people getting harassed on telephones, and we, we told them how to, um, how to, uh, fix this.
[38:36.440 --> 38:37.640]  Or how to start fixing this.
[38:37.760 --> 38:39.480]  With Alan Starr, 7-7, I believe, on the phone.
[38:39.720 --> 38:41.560]  Only accepting calls from people with caller ID.
[38:42.460 --> 38:46.280]  Um, you can't simply say, oh, I got a harassing phone call.
[38:46.360 --> 38:47.780]  It came from this particular organization.
[38:48.120 --> 38:48.800]  It's not right.
[38:49.120 --> 38:55.020]  And by the same token, that particular organization has to quickly, um, um...
[38:55.020 --> 38:57.420]  condemn any, condemn any kind of action like that.
[38:57.540 --> 38:59.440]  It's, well, there's a lot of actions going on to condemn.
[38:59.740 --> 39:00.120]  Very good.
[39:00.460 --> 39:04.380]  But, uh, I just hope the dialogue is a good step.
[39:04.520 --> 39:07.600]  Anyway, our phone call, our phone number is 212-209-2900.
[39:08.100 --> 39:09.680]  And, uh, boy, we've covered a lot of ground tonight.
[39:09.840 --> 39:11.620]  So let's, uh, try and cover some more ground with listeners.
[39:12.600 --> 39:14.160]  You know, I think these phones are still wacky.
[39:14.240 --> 39:17.160]  Ever since we, uh, came back from the fundraiser, they just haven't been acting the same.
[39:17.300 --> 39:17.860]  I kinda like it.
[39:17.880 --> 39:19.040]  It's whack-a-mole on the phone.
[39:19.160 --> 39:19.940]  It's, it's fun.
[39:20.140 --> 39:24.740]  Yeah, but, uh, only, only certain lines seem to light up, and all the rest seem to wink on and off.
[39:25.440 --> 39:31.080]  Well, anyway, let's, uh, I think when a whole lot of people call at once, 212-209-2900, they, uh, they kinda stay lit.
[39:31.200 --> 39:32.580]  But, uh, they're moving all over the place.
[39:32.660 --> 39:34.200]  Sometimes they move faster than my finger can move.
[39:34.320 --> 39:35.920]  So, let me try and get one.
[39:36.040 --> 39:36.840]  That's the challenge of radio.
[39:37.200 --> 39:37.220]  Before it moves.
[39:37.320 --> 39:37.880]  There we go, I got one.
[39:38.040 --> 39:39.000]  Good evening, you're on the air.
[39:41.220 --> 39:42.060]  Did I move fast enough?
[39:42.120 --> 39:42.400]  Good evening.
[39:44.560 --> 39:47.160]  Okay, I don't know what that person was doing, but he was not listening to the radio.
[39:47.260 --> 39:48.040]  Good evening, you're on the air.
[39:48.520 --> 39:49.240]  I missed that one.
[39:49.320 --> 39:50.080]  See how it's working here?
[39:50.160 --> 39:51.000]  This is...
[39:51.000 --> 39:51.560]  Okay.
[39:51.980 --> 39:54.280]  Those people who can't move so fast, I feel sorry for them.
[39:55.920 --> 39:56.940]  Good evening, you're on the air.
[39:58.220 --> 39:58.580]  Alright.
[39:59.460 --> 40:00.400]  Definite problems here.
[40:01.860 --> 40:02.920]  Good evening, you're on the air.
[40:04.120 --> 40:04.660]  Speak up, please.
[40:05.340 --> 40:05.700]  Yes.
[40:06.200 --> 40:08.600]  You're really gonna have to turn down whatever it is you have turned up.
[40:09.220 --> 40:09.580]  Yeah.
[40:09.820 --> 40:10.360]  Okay, better.
[40:10.580 --> 40:11.060]  Much better.
[40:11.900 --> 40:12.400]  Speak up, please.
[40:12.440 --> 40:15.920]  You guys could go into the detail of a telephone, how it works.
[40:16.380 --> 40:18.560]  You want us to go into a detail how a telephone works?
[40:18.780 --> 40:19.140]  Yeah.
[40:19.560 --> 40:23.100]  Well, you pick up the receiver, you dial the number, you talk to the person, you hang up.
[40:23.100 --> 40:26.460]  That's the obnoxious explanation.
[40:26.480 --> 40:30.320]  But the rational explanation is that, well, I mean...
[40:30.320 --> 40:31.720]  It would take a little...
[40:31.720 --> 40:31.900]  Alright.
[40:32.260 --> 40:32.900]  Briefly, Isaac.
[40:33.060 --> 40:33.520]  I mean, we don't have...
[40:33.520 --> 40:35.080]  We're gonna start from handset to handset.
[40:35.180 --> 40:38.480]  Let's say I want to call you, and we're both using landline telephones.
[40:38.480 --> 40:42.860]  You happen to be, right now, a few feet away from me behind the bulletproof glass.
[40:43.180 --> 40:43.300]  Right, right.
[40:43.520 --> 40:44.920]  Well, you're behind the glass, actually.
[40:45.060 --> 40:45.660]  I'm in the open.
[40:45.840 --> 40:46.440]  You're in the booth.
[40:46.920 --> 40:47.320]  Okay.
[40:47.320 --> 40:47.600]  Yeah.
[40:47.600 --> 40:48.780]  Well, it's a perspective thing.
[40:48.780 --> 40:49.680]  For your own protection.
[40:49.880 --> 40:50.860]  It's a perspective thing.
[40:51.060 --> 40:54.640]  Anyway, you pick up the handset.
[40:54.900 --> 40:55.760]  You dial the number.
[40:55.920 --> 40:56.100]  Mm-hmm.
[40:56.660 --> 41:00.440]  Copper leaves your telephone, runs down the, you know, the...
[41:00.440 --> 41:02.420]  Well, copper doesn't bleed out of your phone.
[41:02.840 --> 41:03.540]  Well, it's...
[41:03.540 --> 41:05.320]  There are a lot of people here that don't, you know, understand...
[41:05.320 --> 41:06.160]  It's a cable.
[41:06.540 --> 41:06.820]  Right.
[41:06.820 --> 41:08.040]  A cable which already is there.
[41:08.180 --> 41:09.220]  Is already there.
[41:09.400 --> 41:09.540]  Mm-hmm.
[41:09.540 --> 41:12.540]  The signal then gets to go to a something called a switch.
[41:12.800 --> 41:15.280]  And the switch is basically at this point in time...
[41:15.280 --> 41:16.940]  Well, it's not a switch like a light switch.
[41:17.100 --> 41:17.160]  No.
[41:17.160 --> 41:18.420]  It's a switch like a big building.
[41:18.580 --> 41:27.540]  It's an enormous building, and it's basically an enormous computer that listens to your DTMF, the number you dial, and decides, oh...
[41:27.540 --> 41:30.360]  DTMF, dual-tone, multi-frequency signal.
[41:30.360 --> 41:31.240]  Multi-frequency signal.
[41:31.740 --> 41:31.880]  Yeah.
[41:32.060 --> 41:36.780]  And decides that, oh, I want to talk to 123-456-7890.
[41:37.200 --> 41:37.420]  Mm-hmm.
[41:38.300 --> 41:40.560]  Whoever has that phone number, I feel sorry for them now.
[41:40.800 --> 41:42.380]  555-9, whatever, anyway.
[41:43.160 --> 41:43.560]  Mm-hmm.
[41:43.560 --> 41:47.180]  The switch then decides, okay, this person is out in La La Land.
[41:47.360 --> 41:50.400]  I'm going to route the call to the other switch in La La Land.
[41:50.800 --> 41:55.620]  At which point, you go over what's called a trunk, and you wind up at the remote switch.
[41:55.820 --> 41:58.460]  A trunk not being the thing that grandma carries in the airport.
[41:58.640 --> 42:00.580]  Or the big gray thing attached to the front of an elephant.
[42:00.780 --> 42:02.820]  No, neither one of those is utilized in this operation.
[42:02.820 --> 42:05.140]  A trunk is actually another cable, right?
[42:05.140 --> 42:05.320]  Yes.
[42:05.320 --> 42:05.980]  It's a big cable.
[42:05.980 --> 42:07.500]  A big cable with lots more copper.
[42:07.640 --> 42:07.780]  Mm-hmm.
[42:07.820 --> 42:14.180]  Or perhaps it's one very long piece of glass in which a little laser shines on and off to generate digital.
[42:14.280 --> 42:14.960]  Yeah, right, Isaac.
[42:15.040 --> 42:15.740]  That makes a lot of sense.
[42:15.820 --> 42:16.200]  Okay, keep going.
[42:16.880 --> 42:24.200]  Anyway, you arrive at the remote switch, and the remote switch decides, oh, this person's looking for one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, zero.
[42:24.320 --> 42:24.500]  Uh-huh.
[42:24.500 --> 42:25.620]  Let's give them a busy signal.
[42:25.880 --> 42:26.000]  Right.
[42:26.140 --> 42:27.600]  Well, that's this piece of copper.
[42:27.780 --> 42:28.100]  Mm-hmm.
[42:28.220 --> 42:39.920]  And the switch then takes the one signal from the trunk line, attaches it to the signal to the local line, which goes to your residence, and rings the phone by, you know, putting an excessive voltage on there, and the phone rings.
[42:40.020 --> 42:45.600]  And you pick up, and then you can talk to the other person way, way, way across the country, or a few feet away.
[42:45.800 --> 42:48.780]  And we won't get into how your voice gets turned into...
[42:48.780 --> 42:51.360]  PC, yeah, post-cold modulation, and the whole nine...
[42:51.360 --> 42:52.460]  That's a whole other thing.
[42:52.460 --> 42:54.540]  It's a lot, a lot, a lot more complex than that.
[42:54.540 --> 43:01.160]  If you really, really, really want to know, start with things like the Alt 2600 FAC, poke around...
[43:01.160 --> 43:02.120]  The FAC, not the posts.
[43:02.620 --> 43:03.740]  Not the posts, no.
[43:03.880 --> 43:04.180]  You want to avoid the posts.
[43:04.180 --> 43:07.260]  You'll get all kinds of explanations if you ask publicly how a telephone works, but...
[43:07.260 --> 43:08.460]  Look at the Nortel website.
[43:08.820 --> 43:09.240]  And there's books, too.
[43:09.320 --> 43:09.960]  There's books out there.
[43:10.440 --> 43:14.580]  You might even go to Radio Shack and just ask, and I'm sure somebody will take six hours of his day to explain it to you.
[43:15.460 --> 43:16.500]  This is Radio Shack.
[43:16.580 --> 43:19.780]  I have a thing against them right now, and I'm trying to waste their time, so...
[43:19.780 --> 43:20.080]  Okay, I'm sorry.
[43:20.240 --> 43:29.260]  I know there are people there that can't resist telling stories and explaining things to people, so if everybody runs down to Radio Shack, ask if our telephone works, I'll bring their stock down a few points.
[43:29.340 --> 43:30.220]  It'll confuse them, if anything.
[43:30.260 --> 43:30.980]  Alright, let's take another phone call.
[43:31.040 --> 43:31.300]  Good evening.
[43:31.440 --> 43:31.880]  You're on the air.
[43:33.180 --> 43:34.360]  Now, you know, that's...
[43:34.760 --> 43:36.000]  I'm picking up ones in the middle now.
[43:36.000 --> 43:37.780]  The dial tone is generated by the switch to indicate that...
[43:37.780 --> 43:38.280]  Very funny.
[43:38.340 --> 43:38.580]  Good evening.
[43:38.680 --> 43:39.040]  You're on the air.
[43:39.660 --> 43:40.260]  How you doing?
[43:41.140 --> 43:41.540]  What's up?
[43:42.180 --> 43:56.460]  About the cameras down in Tampa, the main issue that I know myself and a lot of other people see is that all of a sudden you're having to defend yourself in the fact that you're not the person that the camera says you are.
[43:57.360 --> 43:58.660]  Well, that's a good point.
[43:58.860 --> 43:59.120]  But...
[43:59.120 --> 44:02.500]  So, if the camera says, you know, throw some of your lawn without your beard...
[44:02.500 --> 44:02.700]  A false positive.
[44:02.700 --> 44:03.000]  Well...
[44:03.000 --> 44:03.040]  www...
[44:03.040 --> 44:07.780]  ..well, all of a sudden, you're no longer innocent until proven guilty, you're guilty until proven innocent.
[44:08.000 --> 44:08.280]  But...
[44:08.280 --> 44:09.700]  That is a troubling possibility.
[44:09.700 --> 44:12.220]  Yeah, that's the most troubling possibility, I think.
[44:12.320 --> 44:22.060]  Also, you know, just walking down the street, you know, when you know people are watching you, you don't know how many people are watching you, you don't know who's watching you, but just knowing that, it has a psychological effect on you, you know?
[44:22.420 --> 44:24.080]  Well, let's also keep in mind...
[44:24.080 --> 44:32.680]  I mean, there's ten people, like, standing in the window staring me down right now with helmets and riot gear on, and that has an effect on my show.
[44:32.780 --> 44:33.400]  No, I'm only kidding.
[44:33.580 --> 44:34.220]  I'm only kidding.
[44:34.420 --> 44:34.760]  It would.
[44:34.760 --> 44:37.620]  I'm just saying that, you know, it's the same kind of effect.
[44:37.620 --> 44:45.080]  When you have people staring at you and you know they're watching you, you don't know what their purpose is, it's something that affects who you are and what you do.
[44:45.220 --> 44:45.760]  But do you find...
[44:45.760 --> 44:46.220]  Very disconcerting.
[44:46.380 --> 44:46.920]  Yeah, absolutely.
[44:47.080 --> 44:47.680]  That's what it's all about.
[44:47.700 --> 44:52.400]  But do you find comfort in the fact that it's simply a machine doing numerical analysis on your face and face?
[44:52.400 --> 44:53.600]  But there's a human at the other end.
[44:53.980 --> 44:56.480]  There's not a human at the other end looking at every single camera.
[44:56.520 --> 44:58.840]  The computer is trying to match patterns.
[44:58.880 --> 45:04.620]  The computer is working for the human, and the human can look at that any time, either in the future or in the present.
[45:04.760 --> 45:07.580]  Just as anyone walking down the street can look at you as you get out of a tag.
[45:07.860 --> 45:14.500]  It's not like something, you know, out of Terminator 2, you know, where they can instantly identify what you are and what threat you represent and that kind of a thing.
[45:14.880 --> 45:16.020]  That's exactly what it does.
[45:16.520 --> 45:17.000]  I know.
[45:17.160 --> 45:18.580]  No, I'm saying human beings looking at you.
[45:18.720 --> 45:18.980]  Oh, human beings.
[45:19.020 --> 45:19.920]  Yeah, they're not like that.
[45:20.200 --> 45:20.400]  Okay.
[45:20.720 --> 45:22.060]  Actually, that was in Terminator 1 as well.
[45:22.600 --> 45:23.820]  But let's move on.
[45:23.960 --> 45:24.920]  Thanks for that phone call.
[45:25.000 --> 45:25.220]  Good evening.
[45:25.300 --> 45:25.720]  You're on the air.
[45:26.540 --> 45:27.020]  Speak up.
[45:27.560 --> 45:27.880]  Hi.
[45:28.040 --> 45:28.960]  I have a question.
[45:29.320 --> 45:32.200]  I hear voices in my phone, and I'm not...
[45:32.200 --> 45:32.680]  Oh, on your phone.
[45:32.680 --> 45:35.640]  I'm glad you said it in your phone, because we're not prepared for the...
[45:35.640 --> 45:36.080]  Well, all right.
[45:36.080 --> 45:40.380]  I promise I'm not crazy, but it sounds like there's, like, subliminal advertising or something.
[45:40.880 --> 45:41.940]  Maybe it's not subliminal.
[45:42.060 --> 45:43.220]  Where do you hear these voices?
[45:43.860 --> 45:47.920]  Well, I live on the Lower East Side, and I had a Verizon phone installed.
[45:48.220 --> 45:52.260]  And so when I pick up the phone, I hear the dial tone, and then I'll dial the number.
[45:52.420 --> 46:00.020]  And then before I hear it start to ring or I hear a busy signal, I can hear advertisements, and usually it's, like, for vacations.
[46:00.860 --> 46:02.220]  How loud are these advertisements?
[46:02.680 --> 46:03.840]  Not enough that I can hear them.
[46:04.120 --> 46:05.240]  But how loud are they?
[46:05.600 --> 46:07.000]  Um, they're not that loud.
[46:07.120 --> 46:09.720]  They're not, like, um, your voice, for example.
[46:10.100 --> 46:11.820]  Do they stop when the other person picks up?
[46:12.100 --> 46:12.380]  Yes.
[46:12.660 --> 46:13.000]  They do.
[46:13.220 --> 46:13.480]  Yeah.
[46:13.820 --> 46:17.280]  That, to me, sounds like a problem with, uh, with switching.
[46:17.840 --> 46:21.280]  Um, is it always an advertisement, or is it just a voice of some sort?
[46:21.580 --> 46:23.480]  No, it's usually a commercial.
[46:23.840 --> 46:25.080]  Okay, I think...
[46:25.080 --> 46:28.320]  It's definitely a commercial with, you know, sometimes with music.
[46:28.600 --> 46:30.860]  I think what you're getting is commercial radio somehow.
[46:30.860 --> 46:31.540]  Yes, it could be radio on the line.
[46:31.540 --> 46:34.360]  Because when you turn on commercial radio, it's almost always a commercial.
[46:34.660 --> 46:35.040]  Uh...
[46:35.040 --> 46:36.320]  And that's what's happening here.
[46:36.540 --> 46:41.860]  Somehow, and I've seen this happen before, commercial radio signal, uh, is bleeding in.
[46:41.860 --> 46:43.620]  And that could happen in a number of ways.
[46:43.620 --> 46:48.380]  Uh, maybe the central office is, uh, is, is too close to the transmitter or something like that.
[46:48.380 --> 46:53.480]  Or there's some, some other, um, uh, wire that's, uh, you know, somehow bleeding the signal in.
[46:53.640 --> 47:00.100]  Maybe they have their, their, um, uh, studio-to-transmitter link going over a phone wire, which is adjacent to your phone wire.
[47:00.200 --> 47:01.100]  That's usually ISDN, though.
[47:01.600 --> 47:02.220]  Well, I don't know.
[47:02.360 --> 47:03.840]  You know, there's all kinds of possibilities.
[47:04.000 --> 47:06.260]  I don't think, I don't think it's the phone company, uh...
[47:06.260 --> 47:07.240]  Intentionally doing this?
[47:07.320 --> 47:07.660]  I agree.
[47:07.680 --> 47:08.020]  No.
[47:12.260 --> 47:13.680]  Yeah, complain, absolutely.
[47:13.960 --> 47:17.380]  Now, it only happens when you, when you call, uh, when the phone is ringing.
[47:18.340 --> 47:20.440]  Um, no, after I dial the phone number.
[47:20.680 --> 47:20.700]  Mm-hmm.
[47:20.780 --> 47:23.040]  Before the, the ring.
[47:23.400 --> 47:23.760]  Okay.
[47:24.140 --> 47:24.420]  Yeah.
[47:24.900 --> 47:26.900]  Before, wait, before the ring or during the ring?
[47:27.320 --> 47:28.100]  Before the ring.
[47:28.160 --> 47:31.000]  Well, that's only, how long is it before the ring, after you finish dialing?
[47:31.220 --> 47:31.460]  Uh-huh.
[47:31.460 --> 47:32.240]  It's usually instant.
[47:32.740 --> 47:34.160]  No, not usually.
[47:34.700 --> 47:38.100]  It's usually like, uh, a good 30 seconds.
[47:38.240 --> 47:38.740]  Oh, wait a minute.
[47:39.020 --> 47:39.040]  30?
[47:40.320 --> 47:41.280]  How, how, how...
[47:41.280 --> 47:42.700]  I'm seeing a violation of the nines.
[47:42.840 --> 47:45.900]  What, what are you dialing that takes 30 seconds to start ringing?
[47:47.060 --> 47:49.680]  Um, like a cell phone number, usually.
[47:49.900 --> 47:50.140]  Mm-hmm.
[47:50.300 --> 47:50.640]  Okay.
[47:51.040 --> 47:55.740]  Maybe that, yeah, okay, maybe a cell phone sometimes takes longer to ring than, uh, even calling internationally.
[47:56.320 --> 47:57.560]  Well, try, try an experiment.
[47:57.980 --> 48:00.160]  Pick up the phone, dial a single number.
[48:00.420 --> 48:00.580]  Mm-hmm.
[48:00.940 --> 48:02.240]  And, uh, just kind of wait.
[48:02.420 --> 48:04.560]  Obviously, it's not going to try to connect you to anywhere.
[48:04.880 --> 48:06.680]  But it's going to make the dial tone go away.
[48:07.140 --> 48:07.480]  Yeah.
[48:07.480 --> 48:16.220]  And, uh, this, the idea here being that if the radio is, uh, getting carried on your lines, once the dial tone becomes quiet and the line becomes quiet, you can hear it.
[48:16.840 --> 48:23.780]  Um, I, I had a friend who, uh, lived under the new Disney, you know, 1600 AM station.
[48:24.020 --> 48:24.380]  Uh-huh.
[48:24.380 --> 48:28.140]  Always has Disney on his phone lines, which really upsets his modem.
[48:28.780 --> 48:29.660]  15-60, right?
[48:29.760 --> 48:30.700]  15-60, I'm sorry.
[48:30.880 --> 48:30.900]  Yeah, yeah.
[48:31.240 --> 48:44.580]  And, uh, it really upsets his modem, and he calls the phone company all the time, and they say, well, we've got to get in touch with the radio transmitter site, because they're not supposed to be bleeding onto the, uh, the telephone carrier, and basically start calling people and complaining.
[48:45.040 --> 48:45.780]  Good luck with that.
[48:45.920 --> 48:46.900]  Thanks, uh, thanks for the call.
[48:47.020 --> 48:47.980]  Thanks for the interesting problem.
[48:48.140 --> 48:48.660]  Let's go over here.
[48:48.800 --> 48:49.160]  Good evening.
[48:49.300 --> 48:49.760]  You're on the air.
[48:51.200 --> 48:52.680]  Man, I've never seen the phones like this.
[48:52.820 --> 48:53.600]  Okay, let's go over here.
[48:53.600 --> 48:53.940]  Good evening.
[48:54.040 --> 48:54.480]  You're on the air.
[48:55.620 --> 48:56.340]  Speak up, please.
[48:56.500 --> 48:56.780]  Go ahead.
[48:57.560 --> 48:58.400]  Hi, this is Mike.
[48:58.700 --> 48:59.200]  Hi, Mike.
[48:59.220 --> 48:59.520]  How are you doing?
[48:59.960 --> 49:00.820]  I'm doing all right.
[49:00.920 --> 49:01.320]  How are you?
[49:01.640 --> 49:01.920]  Okay.
[49:02.000 --> 49:03.440]  Wait, is this, uh, you're our Mike?
[49:03.900 --> 49:04.460]  Yeah, yeah.
[49:04.460 --> 49:04.960]  Oh, okay.
[49:05.080 --> 49:05.520]  Hey, hey.
[49:05.520 --> 49:08.480]  Mike is usually in the studio, but now is in California for the summer.
[49:09.160 --> 49:10.140]  Yeah, imagine that.
[49:10.220 --> 49:11.000]  What's going on out there?
[49:11.280 --> 49:15.320]  Uh, I was just calling about the .biz and .info that you were talking about earlier.
[49:15.440 --> 49:15.660]  Okay.
[49:16.580 --> 49:23.920]  Um, apparently you're only allowed to register .biz if you're going to use it for commercial purposes, uh, to make money off it.
[49:24.700 --> 49:30.360]  And, uh, so I was thinking about that and I thought there's, you know, there should be the equivalent for people who aren't going to make money off of it.
[49:30.360 --> 49:33.240]  And, you know, there used to be .org.
[49:33.800 --> 49:34.160]  .org.
[49:34.340 --> 49:34.400]  Right.
[49:34.820 --> 49:36.280]  But, but they took it away from us.
[49:36.600 --> 49:36.900]  Mm-hmm.
[49:37.060 --> 49:37.520]  Yeah, absolutely.
[49:37.660 --> 49:39.080]  They gave it to anybody who wanted to register.
[49:39.220 --> 49:39.540]  They didn't take it away.
[49:39.700 --> 49:40.920]  They opened the registration.
[49:41.400 --> 49:42.140]  Well, what's the difference?
[49:42.400 --> 49:46.900]  The difference is that if you had a .org address previously, it wasn't swiped out from under you.
[49:46.900 --> 49:54.240]  No, but taking it away, though, there's no longer an entity where you can just register for, for a non-profit, non-money-making organization.
[49:54.400 --> 49:55.240]  Where do you go now for that?
[49:55.280 --> 49:56.880]  They removed the line is what they did.
[49:56.880 --> 49:59.380]  Right, and they gave something else in the form of .biz.
[49:59.520 --> 50:06.180]  Now, my question is, okay, let's say you get a .biz site or domain, and its primary goal is to sell it to somebody else.
[50:06.280 --> 50:07.300]  Well, that's making money, isn't it?
[50:08.620 --> 50:11.240]  Apparently, but I don't think they'll go for that.
[50:11.340 --> 50:11.620]  Mm-hmm.
[50:12.620 --> 50:25.880]  But, you know, I was just really concerned that, you know, the direction that the people controlling the Internet are heading, where they're willing to give these special privileges to business owners, but they're not willing to give them to, you know,
[50:25.960 --> 50:26.860]  folks like you and me.
[50:27.360 --> 50:28.260]  Because at this point...
[50:28.260 --> 50:38.240]  Yeah, I think either, you know, everyone should get privileges, they should make the DNS mean something and categorize people, or no one should get it, and they should just, you know, have a bunch of generic domains.
[50:38.500 --> 50:40.820]  Well, that's what the Internet was, you know, traditionally.
[50:41.300 --> 50:43.960]  That's what it was originally like.
[50:43.960 --> 50:47.320]  It wasn't just favoring commercial enterprises.
[50:47.860 --> 50:51.620]  But I guess as it reflects American society a little more, it's moving in that direction, eh?
[50:51.620 --> 50:54.660]  Well, the name service at this point is a commercial business.
[50:54.860 --> 50:58.060]  It's a commercial interest run by a business who's looking to make money.
[50:58.180 --> 51:05.140]  And man, are they making money hand over fist with opening these new top-level domains, which is something I've gone on and on about on previous programs.
[51:06.520 --> 51:11.000]  Don't expect them to, you know, bend over backwards to help you if you don't have dollars.
[51:11.480 --> 51:16.360]  But that's what the present, you know, route is about, making money.
[51:16.660 --> 51:20.980]  So your alternative is to go to perhaps a route that isn't about making money.
[51:22.280 --> 51:28.340]  There are some shadow routes out there that you can adopt to participate with.
[51:28.340 --> 51:30.140]  I don't think they're very good at the moment.
[51:30.140 --> 51:40.580]  The thing that annoys me so much, though, is that what we're talking about here, and make no mistake about this, what we're talking about is simply adding things to a file on a computer.
[51:41.040 --> 51:42.540]  Just adding little names.
[51:42.780 --> 51:43.700]  That's what it's all about.
[51:43.860 --> 51:45.460]  There's nothing really that costs money.
[51:45.720 --> 51:50.940]  It's just basically saying, okay, now you can have names that begin with, or that end with .biz.
[51:51.120 --> 51:54.260]  You know, somebody makes a modification to the root zone file, and that's it.
[51:54.380 --> 51:54.920]  It's all over.
[51:55.500 --> 51:57.040]  You don't have to add hardware.
[51:57.200 --> 51:58.900]  You don't have to, you know, demolish buildings.
[51:58.900 --> 52:01.240]  It's just simply, that's all it is.
[52:01.320 --> 52:04.540]  But that's a multi-billion dollar change with those five characters.
[52:04.820 --> 52:09.120]  Yeah, because people are willing to pay to have the name.
[52:09.220 --> 52:12.160]  But what I'm saying is, there is no actual effort.
[52:12.280 --> 52:14.580]  There is no actual expenditure involved in this.
[52:14.680 --> 52:20.800]  And maybe when people realize that, they'll start demanding top-level domains of perhaps an infinite variety.
[52:21.120 --> 52:21.820]  I mean, think about that.
[52:22.040 --> 52:25.180]  Think about a top-level domain that is the name of the company.
[52:25.180 --> 52:30.520]  You know, that's something that you can pretty much get a lock on, and people can't mess around with it then.
[52:30.680 --> 52:33.220]  If there is a .coca-cola, okay, you know what?
[52:33.260 --> 52:34.960]  They got everything underneath that.
[52:35.620 --> 52:37.140]  And they don't have to worry anymore.
[52:37.320 --> 52:39.100]  I don't know if we want to go that far.
[52:39.280 --> 52:39.460]  Why?
[52:39.600 --> 52:39.960]  But...
[52:39.960 --> 52:40.420]  What happened?
[52:40.980 --> 52:44.340]  That makes it very unmanageable.
[52:44.480 --> 52:49.660]  So, from a technical standpoint, I mean, when you have all these top-level domains, it's no longer an issue of having top-level domains.
[52:49.840 --> 52:54.040]  The whole point of com, net, and org was to give general groupings of commercial...
[52:54.040 --> 52:55.900]  Well, maybe you put that at the other side.
[52:56.040 --> 53:00.000]  Well, on the other hand, say you're McDonald's plumbing.
[53:00.260 --> 53:04.260]  Some guy named, you know, Jim McDonald out in, you know, God knows where, Queens.
[53:04.260 --> 53:11.480]  If you try to register mcdonalds.com, obviously the large multinational corporation is going to try and grab it out from under you because they claim...
[53:11.480 --> 53:13.880]  Well, I hope he gets mcdonalds.biz because he deserves it.
[53:14.000 --> 53:14.260]  Sure.
[53:14.460 --> 53:20.200]  He's a legitimate, you know, company that should have McDonald's as his second-level domain.
[53:20.440 --> 53:21.080]  Well, why don't we...
[53:21.080 --> 53:21.740]  I'd like to see that happen.
[53:21.880 --> 53:24.320]  Well, why don't we have a top-level domain, .plumbing?
[53:24.940 --> 53:29.440]  There's no question that mcdonalds.plumbing has to deal with this one guy who does plumbing.
[53:29.660 --> 53:34.060]  McDonald's.food would be this one large corporation that likes to think they make hamburgers.
[53:34.260 --> 53:36.040]  You know, that would be a wonderful thing.
[53:36.200 --> 53:40.160]  So, you're talking about having top-level domains that are somewhat descriptive.
[53:40.440 --> 53:41.160]  Somewhat descriptive.
[53:41.440 --> 53:47.880]  They're still general classifications, but they're not, you know, private interest names on the top level.
[53:48.920 --> 53:49.960]  I'd like that better.
[53:50.160 --> 53:51.500]  I'd like that better than the current system.
[53:51.520 --> 53:54.480]  That's an alternative to your, you know, .coca-cola thing.
[53:54.540 --> 53:54.720]  Right.
[53:55.360 --> 53:56.560]  All right, Mike, anything else?
[53:56.680 --> 53:57.920]  Because we don't have too much time.
[53:58.460 --> 54:03.240]  Yeah, I just thought I was curious that Sprint won't let me ring your number for more than two minutes.
[54:03.760 --> 54:04.460]  Oh, really?
[54:04.800 --> 54:05.140]  Yeah.
[54:05.360 --> 54:06.000]  Maybe that's the problem.
[54:06.080 --> 54:07.340]  Maybe everybody's using Sprint.
[54:07.660 --> 54:10.140]  It says your party is not answering.
[54:10.500 --> 54:12.040]  Please go away or something.
[54:12.840 --> 54:12.940]  Cool.
[54:13.240 --> 54:13.420]  Hmm.
[54:13.640 --> 54:13.940]  Interesting.
[54:14.820 --> 54:15.540]  Well, okay.
[54:15.900 --> 54:19.160]  Thanks for the update, and let us know if anything else changes.
[54:19.580 --> 54:20.040]  All right.
[54:20.080 --> 54:22.660]  And we'll see you back here towards the end of August, I guess.
[54:23.060 --> 54:23.640]  In September.
[54:23.860 --> 54:24.140]  September.
[54:24.360 --> 54:24.840]  Okay, great.
[54:25.400 --> 54:25.900]  All right.
[54:26.020 --> 54:28.000]  Let's take one more phone call.
[54:28.380 --> 54:28.920]  Good evening.
[54:28.980 --> 54:29.380]  You're on the air.
[54:29.660 --> 54:29.980]  Hello.
[54:30.200 --> 54:30.620]  Yes, go ahead.
[54:30.620 --> 54:32.960]  A couple of things.
[54:33.540 --> 54:46.580]  I would like to be a little patriotic and remember that my country was built on free slave labor, on free stolen land.
[54:47.000 --> 55:09.460]  And I'd like to remind everyone that this country is great because it was built on, you know, free resources, and Isaac, I request you to always remember that an immigrant, when he comes in, he is an asset because he brings in his education.
[55:09.460 --> 55:23.960]  Even minimal, it may be just a few classes, but you remember that this man has been brought up by sacrifices of another country, and today he works here.
[55:25.380 --> 55:35.400]  He plants my food, carries Jose, plucks my vegetables, and he should be looked upon as an asset.
[55:35.400 --> 55:36.680]  He is an asset.
[55:37.340 --> 55:37.740]  Okay.
[55:37.800 --> 55:39.780]  People look down upon all these people.
[55:40.140 --> 55:41.040]  Thanks very much.
[55:41.340 --> 55:43.840]  Unfortunately, we're out of time, but thanks for that.
[55:44.280 --> 55:45.420]  Any comment to that, Isaac?
[55:46.340 --> 55:53.920]  No, I for one encourage anyone who comes to this country who wants to better themselves and apply themselves and make their life better...
[55:53.920 --> 55:55.580]  To come to this country and do just that.
[55:55.900 --> 55:56.760]  Storm those gates.
[55:56.900 --> 55:59.060]  Get in this country any way you can because we need you here.
[55:59.300 --> 55:59.900]  God bless you.
[56:00.020 --> 56:01.420]  And that's going to do it for us tonight.
[56:02.260 --> 56:04.920]  I want to thank everybody for listening and for being a part of things.
[56:06.440 --> 56:08.860]  And don't forget to celebrate Independence Day tomorrow.
[56:09.120 --> 56:11.220]  Celebrate it by being independent.
[56:11.660 --> 56:12.440]  What better way?
[56:12.800 --> 56:13.100]  All right.
[56:13.740 --> 56:16.960]  For off the hook, Emmanuel Goldstein, for Isaac and everybody else, have yourselves a good night.
[56:17.340 --> 56:17.640]  Take care.
[56:49.760 --> 56:51.860]  As-salamu alaykum again, my dear brothers and sisters.
[56:52.080 --> 56:53.380]  My name is Ghazi Hankan.
[56:54.300 --> 56:58.300]  I'm the Executive Director for the Council on American-Islamic Relations.
[56:59.040 --> 57:03.240]  Welcome you again for these lecture series, inshaAllah.
[57:04.800 --> 57:09.140]  The lecture series are really for human rights and social justice.
[57:10.320 --> 57:17.000]  We have very good scholars and speakers who will address the issues.
[57:17.000 --> 57:21.280]  Is Imam Jamil Abdullah Al-Ameen being framed by the FBI?
[57:22.060 --> 57:24.840]  Are they political prisoners in the United States?
[57:25.660 --> 57:32.480]  And does the death penalty as implemented in this country systematically target the...
[57:32.480 --> 57:33.320]  People of doom and degree are really curious.