[00:03.100 --> 00:07.240]  I'm Michael Moore, the director of Canadian Bacon and the producer-host of TV Nation.
[00:07.580 --> 00:09.740]  But we all know this is a radio nation.
[00:09.820 --> 00:13.860]  So listen to 99.5 FM WBAI, New York.
[00:26.950 --> 00:34.450]  And you're listening to radio station WBAI, New York, where I believe I'm coming to you from somewhere in Holland.
[00:34.450 --> 00:39.070]  And it's another long-distance edition of Off the Rock.
[00:45.880 --> 00:50.300]  The telephone keeps ringing, so I ripped it off the wall.
[00:51.300 --> 00:55.100]  I cut myself all shaving, now I cut me.
[02:02.830 --> 02:04.070]  Can anybody hear me?
[02:04.490 --> 02:05.310]  I can hear you.
[02:05.910 --> 02:06.190]  Okay.
[02:07.070 --> 02:08.530]  I'm not sure if I'm on the air.
[02:08.770 --> 02:10.450]  Isaac, you'll have to verify this.
[02:10.710 --> 02:11.750]  You are on the air.
[02:11.970 --> 02:12.590]  Okay, great.
[02:12.850 --> 02:13.670]  The problem is that...
[02:13.670 --> 02:14.910]  You switched phones on me, didn't you?
[02:15.430 --> 02:18.730]  Well, we're trying to deal with two different cell phones here at the same time.
[02:18.810 --> 02:21.090]  And unfortunately, one of them is going through VoiceStream.
[02:21.650 --> 02:25.410]  VoiceStream is having unbelievable problems completing phone calls, as always.
[02:26.490 --> 02:31.810]  And unfortunately, every time a connection is made, it fails.
[02:32.250 --> 02:33.130]  And I was on before.
[02:33.270 --> 02:36.430]  When you heard me before, a few seconds ago, I was actually on the VoiceStream phone.
[02:37.010 --> 02:38.670]  And it just dropped me for no reason.
[02:39.350 --> 02:43.190]  And people trying to call get all kinds of weird recordings from VoiceStream.
[02:43.730 --> 02:46.830]  Right now, I'm in an underground train station, so you might lose me at any moment.
[02:46.830 --> 02:49.910]  If that happens, well, please call me back.
[02:51.030 --> 02:54.370]  But basically, right now, we have a bunch of people on the phone.
[02:54.510 --> 02:56.290]  We're going to try and get AutoJack on the phone as well.
[02:58.470 --> 02:58.990]  Hmm.
[03:01.410 --> 03:01.930]  Hmm.
[03:04.390 --> 03:04.990]  Robot anyone?
[03:05.930 --> 03:09.590]  No, it's not quite robot voice, but we definitely have lost him.
[03:10.050 --> 03:11.170]  Hang on a second, Porkchop.
[03:11.290 --> 03:14.850]  I'm going to do some phone magic to keep the...
[03:17.490 --> 03:18.010]  Ooh,
[03:23.770 --> 03:24.250]  I like that.
[03:24.250 --> 03:25.050]  Try again later.
[03:25.270 --> 03:25.750]  Okay, we will.
[03:28.550 --> 03:30.210]  Okay, you two should be back, yes?
[03:30.630 --> 03:31.030]  Yes.
[03:31.450 --> 03:31.810]  Wonderful.
[03:32.130 --> 03:32.390]  Okay.
[03:32.930 --> 03:43.830]  This is off the hook with half of our guests practically off the air, because they're on a train in the middle of Holland, I believe you said, yes?
[03:44.450 --> 03:44.790]  Mm-hmm.
[03:45.050 --> 03:46.070]  Okay, not bad.
[03:46.570 --> 03:47.870]  Well, I'm going to try to get them back.
[03:48.090 --> 03:52.390]  So, Porkchop, why don't you take things for about two or three minutes while I do that, right?
[03:52.510 --> 03:59.530]  One of the things I was going to bring up during the radio show was something actually mentioned on the H2K list.
[04:00.270 --> 04:02.850]  There was a guy named Brian K.
[04:03.110 --> 04:10.590]  West who was creating a banner advertisement for a legitimate campaign on the Puerto Daily News website.
[04:10.590 --> 04:12.050]  That's Puerto, Oklahoma.
[04:13.190 --> 04:24.470]  Anyhow, he goes to the website, he goes and hits edit source just to, you know, add his banner and just to see what it would look like when they actually go through with the banner ad.
[04:25.730 --> 04:28.890]  And it brings up this Microsoft front page thing.
[04:28.990 --> 04:35.450]  And normally we create a local copy of the webpage because he doesn't have authorization to actually go onto the server and, you know, find these things.
[04:36.910 --> 04:40.870]  So, he goes there and he finds some documents that he shouldn't be able to see.
[04:40.990 --> 04:44.070]  And actually, the server had no authentication whatsoever.
[04:46.450 --> 04:53.470]  So, he calls up the editor-in-chief of the newspaper and says, what the heck?
[04:53.590 --> 04:55.690]  I mean, your server is wide open.
[04:55.890 --> 04:57.050]  It shouldn't be like this.
[04:57.050 --> 05:01.630]  And the guy gets a little upset and he says, I'll call you back in a minute.
[05:02.370 --> 05:14.750]  Guy gets his recorder, his tape recorder for the phone line and starts recording a conversation, calls him back and says that, yeah, this exists.
[05:14.890 --> 05:17.170]  I went in like this and found it this way.
[05:17.730 --> 05:36.230]  So, the director, the, excuse me, the editor-in-chief, whose name is in front of me somewhere, said that, gave this, gave the, the tape to, from the police, it went to the...
[05:36.230 --> 05:37.010]  Okay, am I here?
[05:37.370 --> 05:38.070]  Yes, you're here.
[05:38.610 --> 05:50.270]  Just to give you an idea of the kind of luck that we've had, there was this whole trip we had to engage in today going from London to Amsterdam via train, then via boat, then via train.
[05:50.490 --> 05:58.930]  And it just so happened at the very moment that the show began was the time that we were at Schiphol Airport on the train, which is the only underground station on the whole line.
[05:59.010 --> 06:01.590]  So, that's, of course, where the signal dropped off.
[06:02.310 --> 06:03.630]  But we should be back now.
[06:03.830 --> 06:06.010]  We're on our way to Amsterdam Central Station.
[06:06.230 --> 06:19.090]  So, if there are off-the-hook listeners in Amsterdam who would like to welcome us as we arrive, and Amsterdam Central Station, we should be there at about 20 after 2 our time, 20 after 8 New York time.
[06:20.510 --> 06:22.590]  But somehow I doubt anybody will be there.
[06:22.930 --> 06:24.530]  Or find you much less.
[06:25.890 --> 06:28.150]  I'm sorry, I'm having trouble hearing...
[06:28.150 --> 06:30.010]  It would be hard for them to find you there.
[06:30.910 --> 06:31.650]  No, not really.
[06:31.710 --> 06:32.850]  Go to the meeting point.
[06:33.970 --> 06:35.110]  There is a meeting point.
[06:35.250 --> 06:35.870]  Well, you were there.
[06:36.370 --> 06:37.570]  You know all about that.
[06:37.750 --> 06:40.810]  Actually, Mackie, this is the first time we've had a chance to talk to you since, pal.
[06:41.070 --> 06:41.710]  I should probably continue.
[06:41.710 --> 06:42.430]  You were there as well.
[06:42.550 --> 06:44.090]  Everybody was there except Isaac, it seems.
[06:44.290 --> 06:44.630]  Emmanuel?
[06:44.870 --> 06:45.850]  Oh, well, I'm sorry.
[06:46.030 --> 06:46.670]  Hang on, guys.
[06:46.790 --> 06:48.290]  I'm adding another call in here.
[06:48.870 --> 06:54.990]  I should probably continue the story I was just talking about without leaving everyone hanging while you were missing.
[06:57.610 --> 07:01.010]  So the FBI got involved after the police got the tape.
[07:01.490 --> 07:13.270]  And then after the FBI came in to proposing as clients for the people who were starting of the banner ad, Brian K.
[07:13.430 --> 07:19.210]  West, the person who worked for the banner, the people who were creating the banner, went and showed them how it worked.
[07:19.450 --> 07:21.550]  And as soon as he did so, he was arrested.
[07:22.330 --> 07:27.730]  Because obviously reporting a wide-open server was a horrible thing to do.
[07:29.310 --> 07:30.130]  So he's, uh...
[07:30.130 --> 07:31.810]  What was the charge he was arrested on?
[07:32.210 --> 07:34.510]  It doesn't quite say in this story.
[07:34.590 --> 07:36.690]  This is from, uh, linuxfreak.org.
[07:36.970 --> 07:38.270]  Uh, yeah, linuxfreak.org.
[07:38.270 --> 07:40.350]  That seems like a fairly important detail.
[07:41.050 --> 07:44.410]  I read that, um, there was something akin to computer intrusion.
[07:44.650 --> 07:50.630]  And the DA was saying that if that charge didn't stick, they would charge him again under wire fraud.
[07:51.090 --> 07:53.770]  Title 18, Section 1030 of the USC.
[07:56.590 --> 07:57.110]  Okay.
[07:57.430 --> 07:59.530]  Um, I don't know, it's interesting.
[07:59.710 --> 08:03.410]  I just saw, I just posted to Cryptome today with a little bit more information on it.
[08:03.830 --> 08:07.670]  Um, which includes excerpts from the FBI's affidavit.
[08:08.270 --> 08:15.650]  Uh, the FBI is now actually claiming that, um, he accessed it by obtaining usernames and passwords.
[08:17.170 --> 08:19.870]  Whereas it's been thought that there was no authentication.
[08:20.150 --> 08:31.590]  And, you know, who knows, there might not have been, or it might have been, like, the default or something that, and, you know, his copy of Outlook might have had the default in there anyway, so he didn't have to type anything.
[08:31.910 --> 08:37.090]  Hey, Mackie, you're going to have to speak up because, uh, the people around Emanuel and AutoJack are fairly loud.
[08:37.090 --> 08:37.710]  Okay.
[08:37.890 --> 08:40.950]  Yeah, we have, we have, uh, drunkards, uh, around us, and...
[08:40.950 --> 08:53.870]  Yeah, this is the FBI saying that he used usernames and passwords to get in, and they're also saying that once he was in, he, uh, downloaded their Perl scripts and, uh, like, password files and stuff.
[08:54.610 --> 08:55.470]  Oh, that's amusing.
[08:55.950 --> 08:56.770]  Yeah, I see it here.
[08:56.870 --> 08:58.570]  It's a second item on Cryptome.org.
[08:58.850 --> 08:59.030]  Yeah.
[08:59.030 --> 09:00.490]  West-hack.htm.
[09:01.570 --> 09:02.450]  Cryptome.org.
[09:02.550 --> 09:03.370]  I'm not familiar with it.
[09:03.410 --> 09:04.730]  Why don't you spell it for the listeners?
[09:04.730 --> 09:07.470]  C-R-Y-P-T-O-M-E dot O-R-G.
[09:07.670 --> 09:08.170]  Very good.
[09:08.290 --> 09:08.570]  Thank you.
[09:08.690 --> 09:09.530]  It's a wonderful source for all sorts of writing.
[09:09.530 --> 09:11.410]  Well, I think I'm surprised you don't know anything about Cryptome.
[09:11.530 --> 09:13.450]  Oh, well, you know, I don't, I don't know much of anything.
[09:13.450 --> 09:14.730]  I have to ask these questions.
[09:15.170 --> 09:21.930]  Yeah, I hate to, uh, hate to keep, uh, confirming that fact, but it's sure, well, no, we're only joking, but, uh, that's, uh, that's what I'm going to do.
[09:21.970 --> 09:25.290]  Now, Mackie, did you get a chance to update the people on the, uh, on the latest in our case?
[09:25.390 --> 09:27.910]  No, we, we've not discussed this yet.
[09:28.230 --> 09:51.330]  Um, also, also pointed to us by the fine folks at the Cryptome, um, uh, on the 20th, uh, so yesterday, Judge Kaplan, the judge in the DECSS case, the district judge who, who originally ruled against us, amended his initial opinion against us.
[09:51.390 --> 10:00.930]  So this is the opinion that came out, um, 368 days ago, um, in the ruling on the DECSS case.
[10:01.170 --> 10:02.970]  The one that is presently appealing.
[10:02.970 --> 10:14.650]  Yeah, so, like, uh, let's see, August 17th, 2000, he issues this ruling, and then September 6th, he updates it to add, you know, a couple sentences here and there, like, actual typographical errors.
[10:15.410 --> 10:29.390]  So now, he made two more, quote, typographical error corrections a year later, after it's already been to the appeals court, and we're waiting for the, uh, decision from the appeals court.
[10:29.490 --> 10:31.830]  Yeah, those were sentence-long typographical errors, if I recall.
[10:31.830 --> 10:41.550]  Yes, yes, yes, which, uh, had little to do, I think, with what was already there, and seemed to directly address some of the things raised by the Second Circuit.
[10:41.930 --> 11:02.210]  You'll recall, uh, after the oral arguments in the appeal, the, the panel of judges asked, like, a list of 11 questions that all sort of got at what, um, what level of constitutional scrutiny, um, the restrictions had to come, had to, you know, meet.
[11:02.370 --> 11:06.470]  So, like, if it was, uh, if they were content neutral, and things like that.
[11:06.610 --> 11:18.050]  So, basically, if it's deemed that his ruling was based not on conduct, but on the content of what we were publishing, then it's unconstitutional.
[11:18.350 --> 11:28.350]  So, he added a sentence, two sentences, one that says, uh, restrictions on non-speech elements of expressive conduct fall into the content neutral category.
[11:28.830 --> 11:32.150]  So, it doesn't actually change anything in the ruling.
[11:32.190 --> 11:35.570]  It just, like, clarifies, sort of, his position.
[11:36.010 --> 11:40.870]  And it's basically, like, uh, maybe he's trying to save face.
[11:41.510 --> 11:59.230]  Well, he, if I recall, my, if I recall having read it properly, there's a sentence at the very end there that indicates that, yes, he did this, in fact, to come into compliance with the findings of the Court of Appeals, or the, the, the, the, what the Court of Appeals found to be flawed with his initial opinion.
[11:59.510 --> 12:10.290]  Well, and then, well, the second sentence, then, is saying that Congress isn't powerless to, um, restrict content neutral regulations that, incidentally, might affect expression.
[12:10.530 --> 12:11.150]  I understand.
[12:11.590 --> 12:18.750]  Um, but, and then, the, right, the last sentence I think you're thinking of is it just says that the clerk should send it to the, uh, Court of Appeals?
[12:19.010 --> 12:19.330]  Yes.
[12:19.690 --> 12:23.350]  Um, I think what that is intended to do is...
[12:24.370 --> 12:25.270]  Well, do you have it in front of you?
[12:25.730 --> 12:26.170]  Uh, yeah.
[12:26.430 --> 12:26.910]  Okay, read it.
[12:27.050 --> 12:31.850]  It says, the clerk shall transmit this order to the Court of Appeals as a supplement to the record on appeal.
[12:32.130 --> 12:33.030]  Ah, very good.
[12:33.030 --> 12:40.410]  Um, basically, uh, obviously someone's been talking, right, because this is pretty out of the blue.
[12:41.110 --> 12:48.990]  He's, and it probably indicates that he's pretty worried or nervous about how the ruling's going to come out and how it's going to make him look.
[12:49.290 --> 12:49.530]  Uh-huh.
[12:49.830 --> 13:10.730]  And, so, doing this might spare him some of the, uh, you know, tongue lashing in, in the ruling on the appeal, because it would then, you know, instead of just, uh, instead of inferring that, that he completely disregarded whether or not it's content neutral,
[13:11.270 --> 13:17.970]  then, uh, he, you know, he could at least spare himself some of that embarrassment by at least addressing it.
[13:18.630 --> 13:29.590]  Well, I'm not sure if it's embarrassment so much as the fact that this question was raised, uh, in the arguments before the Court of Appeals, and he's looking to address them in whatever means he can, which...
[13:29.590 --> 13:35.830]  Well, when the case was before him, he completely discounted, uh, almost all of our constitutional arguments.
[13:36.490 --> 13:44.270]  And so I think this shows he's kind of having to go back and, and at least address some of these things and say, oh, yeah, well, it is content neutral.
[13:44.930 --> 13:46.070]  Well, it won't really...
[13:46.070 --> 13:47.050]  It's just the opinion.
[13:47.290 --> 13:48.610]  It's not the order or anything.
[13:48.890 --> 13:49.190]  Correct.
[13:49.190 --> 13:51.990]  It doesn't affect our standing.
[13:52.450 --> 13:52.990]  All right.
[13:53.350 --> 14:00.430]  I think more so what can be inferred here, though, is that it probably means that there's a, uh, ruling coming down soon from the Second Circuit.
[14:01.030 --> 14:01.590]  And, uh...
[14:01.590 --> 14:02.230]  That's what I read.
[14:02.310 --> 14:03.330]  That's what I read out of it.
[14:03.490 --> 14:05.650]  That, uh, something is, something is about to happen.
[14:05.730 --> 14:13.530]  No, it's because he, he obviously heard something, you know, the judges all talk, or there's been some gossiping going on, and he's worried, which is cool.
[14:14.430 --> 14:17.210]  Judge gossip, that's, that's something to worry about.
[14:17.990 --> 14:18.330]  Yeah.
[14:18.330 --> 14:20.430]  That brings a whole new meaning to the cloakroom.
[14:21.830 --> 14:22.190]  Anyway.
[14:22.430 --> 14:23.090]  Good one there, yeah.
[14:23.370 --> 14:23.850]  Yeah, thanks.
[14:25.130 --> 14:31.370]  Wow, that's, um, that's some, uh, interesting news there, Mackie, as far as, uh, what we, what we might have to, uh, to look forward to.
[14:32.150 --> 14:42.430]  Um, and hopefully, uh, next week at this time, when I'm back in New York, we'll, uh, it's nice for them to wait for the summer to end, so that we can, uh, we can, uh, finish our business here.
[14:42.750 --> 14:44.690]  And hopefully by then we'll have, uh, some news.
[14:45.930 --> 14:46.930]  Good news, hopefully.
[14:47.290 --> 14:51.930]  Uh, I should point out, just as an update, um, right now, AutoJack has moved to a different part of the train.
[14:52.410 --> 14:53.450]  Uh, Yes, I'm right here.
[14:54.030 --> 14:56.370]  I believe, yeah, I'm still near the loud people.
[14:56.590 --> 15:00.630]  But, uh, the good news is that we seem to be approaching central station right now.
[15:00.630 --> 15:04.090]  And, uh, actually, AutoJack, you should probably hurry back to your luggage.
[15:04.350 --> 15:04.390]  Okay.
[15:04.390 --> 15:06.730]  Because, uh, otherwise, people are looking at it.
[15:07.130 --> 15:11.810]  Um, and we'll get off the train and we'll have it be in a much quieter area in just a, a matter of moments.
[15:11.970 --> 15:13.010]  Well, that will be very nice.
[15:13.010 --> 15:14.590]  We'll be standing on the platform, actually.
[15:14.770 --> 15:18.330]  So, uh, if people want to greet us, can greet us there.
[15:19.230 --> 15:20.710]  You didn't give them much notice.
[15:21.350 --> 15:21.950]  Well, no.
[15:22.110 --> 15:22.230]  No.
[15:22.450 --> 15:24.110]  Maybe if they're listening on a walkman.
[15:24.510 --> 15:24.910]  Yeah.
[15:25.310 --> 15:27.530]  Well, that would be very difficult in Amsterdam.
[15:28.210 --> 15:33.570]  If you notice, then permits get revoked and things, so we usually come on, you know, by surprise.
[15:33.770 --> 15:34.030]  Okay.
[15:34.030 --> 15:37.850]  Well, my, my, my expectations for being met at the platform will be somewhat low.
[15:38.330 --> 15:38.710]  Yeah.
[15:39.190 --> 15:43.010]  But anyway, where, where you're, you were in London and now you're heading back to Amsterdam?
[15:43.570 --> 15:47.370]  Well, if you recall last week at this time, we were in Paris and then, uh, we went to London.
[15:47.530 --> 15:53.690]  I've got quite a few things to say about, about England, but I'll, I'll save that for when I'm standing on the platform and I can gesticulate and speak loudly.
[15:54.350 --> 16:01.290]  Um, but, um, right now we're heading back, uh, into Amsterdam because that's where we're, uh, leaving from, uh, later on in the week.
[16:01.290 --> 16:08.410]  So we'll be heading back to the, uh, glorious United States, uh, with renewed vigor and a sense of, uh, of fervent nationalism.
[16:09.010 --> 16:09.190]  Yes.
[16:10.190 --> 16:10.790]  Very good.
[16:10.930 --> 16:11.250]  Yeehaw.
[16:11.910 --> 16:19.070]  Well, Lady Liberty will have her arms spread wide for you to, to welcome you back, uh, to LaGuardia or John F.
[16:19.130 --> 16:20.070]  Kennedy International Airport.
[16:20.410 --> 16:24.430]  Well, I think you know very well that there's not much chance of me flying into LaGuardia Airport from, uh, Europe.
[16:24.430 --> 16:26.530]  Well, yes, you would be coming, you would be coming into JFK.
[16:26.870 --> 16:27.510]  That's right.
[16:27.850 --> 16:29.430]  Well, you could have come into Newark.
[16:30.230 --> 16:31.850]  But this is not at all interesting.
[16:32.030 --> 16:32.730]  I want to know about, uh...
[16:32.730 --> 16:34.310]  You're just helping all the stalkers.
[16:34.490 --> 16:34.890]  Yeah.
[16:35.010 --> 16:35.430]  I'm sorry.
[16:36.050 --> 16:36.910]  All the stalkers.
[16:37.110 --> 16:39.290]  We're on, we're on track number one, it looks like.
[16:39.290 --> 16:44.250]  I've never arrived on track number one before in, uh, Central Station, which is kind of interesting.
[16:44.370 --> 16:46.210]  Have you ever arrived at Central Station?
[16:46.810 --> 16:48.570]  Um, is it Central Station?
[16:48.690 --> 16:50.290]  I'm not even sure if this is Central Station.
[16:50.290 --> 16:51.610]  Does this look familiar to you on, Chad?
[16:52.170 --> 16:54.450]  Yeah, it looks like, it looks like Central Station, I think.
[16:55.670 --> 16:56.510]  Yeah, it's Central Station.
[16:56.610 --> 16:59.530]  Okay, we're, we have verified that we're in Central Station, so...
[16:59.530 --> 17:00.050]  Well, that's nice.
[17:00.050 --> 17:00.350]  Don't need to panic.
[17:00.510 --> 17:01.430]  Not the grand one, though.
[17:01.490 --> 17:02.470]  This is much less grand.
[17:02.810 --> 17:05.470]  We have to get off the train, because this train keeps going after this.
[17:05.810 --> 17:06.110]  Okay.
[17:06.410 --> 17:06.570]  Okay.
[17:06.810 --> 17:07.690]  So we disembark now.
[17:08.030 --> 17:08.810]  We're gonna disembark.
[17:08.910 --> 17:12.450]  Why don't you guys chat for a little while while, uh, we, we struggle with our luggage and things.
[17:12.450 --> 17:15.310]  So, you know what annoyed me while I was in Amsterdam?
[17:15.690 --> 17:17.090]  It was Easy Everything.
[17:17.550 --> 17:18.350]  Easy Everything.
[17:18.450 --> 17:19.570]  Are you familiar with these?
[17:19.910 --> 17:22.330]  Uh, yeah, there's one here in New York around Times Square.
[17:22.330 --> 17:27.210]  It's a very large, uh, basically hole in the wall with 1,400 something...
[17:27.210 --> 17:27.570]  Well, they're everywhere.
[17:27.830 --> 17:28.850]  They're everywhere in Amsterdam.
[17:29.450 --> 17:39.710]  If you, you're walking around over the, uh, the downtown area, very touristy area, uh, they have signs on telephone poles saying, you know, there's an Easy Everything 500 feet in every direction.
[17:39.870 --> 17:40.470]  It's like Starbucks.
[17:40.470 --> 17:42.910]  Currently two Easy Everythings in Amsterdam.
[17:43.190 --> 17:44.910]  But, uh, they're taking over all the small ones.
[17:45.030 --> 17:49.430]  There used to be hundreds of dozens, uh, at least, of, of small internet cafes.
[17:49.610 --> 17:52.690]  But Easy Everything is slowly but surely taking everything over.
[17:53.290 --> 17:54.530]  And you know what they do?
[17:54.630 --> 17:56.550]  They, they filter sites.
[17:56.890 --> 17:59.350]  They, they censor what sites you can get to.
[17:59.630 --> 18:00.170]  Alright, guys.
[18:00.370 --> 18:01.850]  The most annoying thing.
[18:01.990 --> 18:03.090]  Guys, hold on a second.
[18:03.230 --> 18:04.850]  I'm gonna put these other two guys on hold.
[18:05.010 --> 18:05.650]  Well, hold on, hold on.
[18:05.710 --> 18:07.150]  That's a free train going by, okay?
[18:07.230 --> 18:07.650]  It's leaving.
[18:08.010 --> 18:08.250]  It's leaving.
[18:10.070 --> 18:11.230]  Freight train's going away.
[18:11.670 --> 18:12.630]  Freight train's going away?
[18:13.070 --> 18:13.270]  Yeah.
[18:13.490 --> 18:17.130]  It's really nice to see a freight train going through the, the, uh, the station like that.
[18:17.430 --> 18:18.610]  I haven't seen one like that in a while.
[18:18.690 --> 18:20.230]  But it's, it's way off in the distance now.
[18:20.250 --> 18:21.850]  You should be able to, uh, hear everybody fine now.
[18:21.850 --> 18:22.130]  Okay.
[18:22.210 --> 18:22.890]  Now I can hear you.
[18:23.270 --> 18:24.290]  Keep going, Mac.
[18:24.330 --> 18:26.750]  You were griping about Easy Everything making money.
[18:27.010 --> 18:37.050]  Not only did they block the 2600 website, we're there trying to get to HAL and, and looking for, for current, up to the minute information.
[18:37.770 --> 18:40.350]  And they blocked the HAL 2001 website.
[18:40.690 --> 18:43.630]  It was the most annoying thing ever.
[18:43.630 --> 18:47.230]  Did you inquire of the management of the store, uh, whether or not?
[18:47.230 --> 18:51.650]  Well, we, we, we ended up, you know, we printed out what we needed for like, I don't know, like the train schedule.
[18:52.430 --> 18:56.490]  And, uh, and we'd go to the front desk to get the print out.
[18:56.490 --> 19:04.310]  Uh, and we're happy to, to, um, be wearing shirts from a, another website that I happened to work for that was also filtered.
[19:04.970 --> 19:12.590]  Uh, and the guy working at the register recognizes the shirt, asks about the website, says he's a huge fan.
[19:12.830 --> 19:15.130]  And we said, but we couldn't access it from here.
[19:15.290 --> 19:17.130]  He's like, well, it wasn't always blocked.
[19:17.370 --> 19:23.790]  And, uh, and he was talking about ways to get around it and, you know, how, how he snuck and looked at it once.
[19:24.150 --> 19:25.870]  And, uh, I gave us stuff for free.
[19:26.470 --> 19:26.610]  Hmm.
[19:26.750 --> 19:38.150]  But I, I found that just utterly bizarre to actually, you know, you're going to a site, you're trying to do work and it doesn't, and then...
[19:38.150 --> 19:42.430]  I should point out, uh, Mackie, actually, um, a lot of people complained about this.
[19:42.730 --> 19:50.390]  A lot of people, um, were inconvenienced, uh, by what happened at Easy Everything in Amsterdam, uh, during the conference.
[19:50.390 --> 19:56.470]  What I'd like to know, though, uh, and, and maybe somebody after the show could do this, Isaac, um, maybe drop by...
[19:56.470 --> 19:56.990]  Oh, is that a hint?
[19:57.230 --> 19:59.790]  ...and see, in fact, if we're, uh, we're being blocked there.
[19:59.890 --> 20:01.430]  Because I remember we went there once...
[20:01.430 --> 20:01.830]  Yes, we did.
[20:02.010 --> 20:07.090]  ...and, and saw that we had been blocked, but then we rebooted one of the machines and we were unblocked.
[20:07.250 --> 20:11.130]  And that wasn't something that we, uh, we did, um, deliberately or something like that.
[20:11.130 --> 20:17.790]  I was told by the guy at the Amsterdam Easy Everything that, uh, some of the stores use different filtering services.
[20:18.710 --> 20:19.110]  Okay.
[20:19.410 --> 20:21.310]  Um, or that it's on a store-by-store basis.
[20:21.630 --> 20:22.370]  Well, hang on a second.
[20:22.370 --> 20:26.490]  We have someone here in the studio who frequents Easy Everything and might have something to add.
[20:26.670 --> 20:33.590]  Well, I, I wouldn't characterize it as frequently, frequent, frequenting Easy Everything, but I happened to be there of all days earlier today.
[20:34.170 --> 20:40.450]  And as of, uh, this morning, 2600 is blocked, and so is HAL 2001.
[20:41.250 --> 20:42.670]  At, at the New York City location?
[20:42.850 --> 20:44.850]  At the New York City Times Square location.
[20:45.110 --> 20:50.790]  But you can always use anonymizer.com and similar services to, uh, to get to it.
[20:51.010 --> 20:54.470]  That's, that's correct, but, uh, people should not have to be inconvenienced that way.
[20:54.530 --> 20:54.590]  I agree.
[20:54.590 --> 21:03.310]  What I'd like to find out from, from Easy Everything is why this is happening, why, uh, they feel the need to block us, protect the public from, uh, from 2600.
[21:03.310 --> 21:05.370]  And even, which service are they using?
[21:05.490 --> 21:09.530]  Because it's not, you know, it's not like they have anything locally, per se.
[21:09.710 --> 21:14.650]  They're going through some national or international service that maintains a blocking list.
[21:15.350 --> 21:15.910]  And it's...
[21:15.910 --> 21:16.930]  Do you know this for a fact?
[21:16.930 --> 21:17.790]  Are you presuming it?
[21:19.650 --> 21:20.050]  Um...
[21:20.050 --> 21:24.210]  When we were there, it's pretty evident, I'd say.
[21:24.430 --> 21:24.810]  Oh, okay.
[21:25.050 --> 21:27.790]  Your comments are stricken from the record for lack of basis.
[21:29.290 --> 21:32.550]  Well, actually, Isaac, you were with us when, uh, when we...
[21:32.550 --> 21:33.070]  Yes, I know.
[21:33.310 --> 21:34.810]  And we managed to get by it.
[21:35.150 --> 21:41.010]  I think you saw that there was, uh, it was a, uh, commercial product, uh, that had default settings.
[21:41.550 --> 21:41.810]  Yes.
[21:42.230 --> 21:43.630]  That's what I was told.
[21:43.630 --> 21:45.650]  I didn't go, you know, check it.
[21:45.830 --> 21:46.190]  Okay.
[21:46.290 --> 21:46.730]  No, no.
[21:47.490 --> 21:50.170]  See how it would be very feasible for them to do it otherwise.
[21:50.590 --> 21:53.430]  But you guys, you guys are in New York, are in a position to verify this.
[21:53.430 --> 21:54.890]  So we'll have some information for next week.
[21:54.890 --> 21:57.450]  Nonetheless, there are these services, you know, that exist.
[21:57.710 --> 22:08.330]  There are these companies whose sole purpose is maintaining these, uh, black hole lists that, um, that other vendors then just pipe into just blindly.
[22:08.870 --> 22:14.930]  And, uh, and it's really kind of a scary, dangerous thing.
[22:14.930 --> 22:15.410]  All right.
[22:15.530 --> 22:28.430]  Well, we'll continue with this for just a second, in that I'm going to ask, if a comparable place to Easy Everything were to open, and for twice the price you could have unfiltered web access, would you go there instead?
[22:29.450 --> 22:32.670]  Oh, I don't understand, uh, the relevance, really.
[22:32.790 --> 22:34.430]  I mean, it doesn't matter how much you're paying.
[22:34.670 --> 22:39.970]  What matters is that you're going into a place, giving them money, whether it's five cents or five dollars...
[22:39.970 --> 22:41.730]  And agreeing to the terms of their service.
[22:41.730 --> 22:43.410]  Uh, well, now, hold on a second.
[22:43.590 --> 22:44.330]  Well, first of all...
[22:44.330 --> 22:44.630]  No, you know...
[22:44.630 --> 22:45.750]  Isaac, Isaac, hold on a second.
[22:45.790 --> 22:50.090]  You don't go in there and they don't give you a list of all the places that...
[22:50.090 --> 22:50.910]  they're not going to...
[22:51.390 --> 22:53.930]  They don't even tell you ahead of time that they're censoring it.
[22:54.050 --> 23:06.790]  And what was even worse is when you go to a site that's censored, it doesn't give you a page that says, you know, you can't go to this site for this reason, it just gives you an Easy Everything ad and you have to...
[23:06.790 --> 23:07.050]  Ah, really?
[23:07.050 --> 23:08.210]  And that's the worst.
[23:08.610 --> 23:12.910]  You mean, when people type www.27.com and Easy Everything, they get an Easy Everything ad?
[23:13.210 --> 23:13.490]  Yes.
[23:13.850 --> 23:16.010]  It's like, you know, the Easy Everything homepage or whatever.
[23:16.190 --> 23:16.330]  Okay.
[23:16.450 --> 23:17.990]  Have you considered asking for your money back?
[23:18.330 --> 23:22.510]  I'm going to see if I can get an earlier flight home, because this is something that demands immediate attention.
[23:23.270 --> 23:25.690]  You know, I was there, you know, traveling.
[23:25.690 --> 23:32.850]  I had a million other things to worry about than, you know, being able to get to the right websites.
[23:35.330 --> 23:45.650]  And, I mean, yeah, but if I had actually had to use Easy Everything for any period of time, I sure would have, you know, complained a lot more.
[23:46.850 --> 23:47.250]  Yeah.
[23:47.490 --> 23:48.590]  That's a very valid point.
[23:48.630 --> 23:51.870]  There are other cafes near there that are uncensored.
[23:52.050 --> 23:52.410]  I mean, no.
[23:52.730 --> 23:53.330]  Did you go there?
[23:53.750 --> 23:54.190]  Yeah.
[23:55.270 --> 23:59.830]  I mean, just because that's where we happened to be, but it was, you know, a convenience factor.
[24:00.490 --> 24:01.330]  Well, I'm sorry.
[24:02.330 --> 24:09.310]  And it's hard, because, I mean, Easy Everything, actually, you know, it's a good place for otherwise.
[24:10.170 --> 24:14.090]  Well, it's a good place in that it's everywhere, sort of like Starbucks.
[24:14.590 --> 24:24.470]  By the way, I should point out, along those lines, that Starbucks is something that I did not see at all once throughout Europe until I got to England.
[24:24.670 --> 24:26.990]  And in England, it's pretty prevalent.
[24:27.050 --> 24:28.890]  It seems to be a good thing almost everywhere.
[24:28.890 --> 24:30.470]  There was Starbucks on my airplane.
[24:30.470 --> 24:32.690]  And that was something that was pretty annoying.
[24:32.910 --> 24:34.670]  On the return flight, there was Starbucks.
[24:36.350 --> 24:38.250]  There was a Starbucks on the airplane?
[24:38.250 --> 24:41.430]  They were serving Starbucks brand.
[24:41.830 --> 24:43.290]  Yes, I got that as well.
[24:44.330 --> 24:44.830]  Yes.
[24:45.510 --> 24:46.450]  On the airplane.
[24:46.470 --> 24:47.650]  I got that on Brace Airways.
[24:49.690 --> 24:55.250]  Thanks for the update on the court case.
[24:55.350 --> 24:59.930]  And hopefully, next week, we'll have some news and we can actually analyze the decision.
[25:00.930 --> 25:03.010]  Emanuel, you were saying one more thing with...
[25:03.010 --> 25:09.110]  We were seeing ads throughout all of Amsterdam.
[25:09.150 --> 25:10.850]  I'm getting all this feedback on the phone now.
[25:10.990 --> 25:11.670]  Yeah, now what happened to you?
[25:11.670 --> 25:12.830]  We have too many people on the line.
[25:13.130 --> 25:14.310]  We have too many people on the line.
[25:15.330 --> 25:15.830]  All right.
[25:15.970 --> 25:16.550]  Hold on, guys.
[25:16.730 --> 25:18.290]  We're going to fix this in just a second.
[25:22.510 --> 25:22.870]  Okay.
[25:23.090 --> 25:23.810]  Doing some fixing.
[25:25.830 --> 25:26.530]  Hello, Emanuel?
[25:28.470 --> 25:28.830]  Emanuel?
[25:28.830 --> 25:29.890]  Yeah, I'm here.
[25:30.050 --> 25:30.690]  Okay, hold on.
[25:31.230 --> 25:32.130]  We need to...
[25:32.130 --> 25:33.190]  AutoJack, are you there?
[25:34.810 --> 25:35.430]  I'm back.
[25:35.630 --> 25:36.110]  You're back.
[25:36.510 --> 25:36.710]  Yes.
[25:37.370 --> 25:38.050]  Porkchop, you there?
[25:39.370 --> 25:39.770]  Hello?
[25:40.130 --> 25:40.470]  Hi there.
[25:40.630 --> 25:41.170]  There you go.
[25:41.390 --> 25:41.610]  Wonderful.
[25:42.490 --> 25:43.250]  Now we're all back.
[25:43.570 --> 25:48.330]  As I was saying, we were seeing advertisements for easyjet.com that looked exactly like Easy Everything.
[25:49.950 --> 25:50.350]  EasyJet?
[25:50.350 --> 25:51.190]  Yeah, that's an interesting thing.
[25:51.290 --> 25:54.090]  I think Easy Everything is part of a much bigger global conspiracy.
[25:54.310 --> 25:56.850]  That's exactly what I was just pointing out on the Easy Everything site here.
[25:56.850 --> 26:03.990]  It says one of the options for navigating the site is easyjet.com, easyrentacar.com, and easyvalue.com.
[26:04.110 --> 26:06.510]  They seem to be all the same people.
[26:06.830 --> 26:10.270]  Yeah, we saw Easy Rent-A-Car in Paris, I think it was.
[26:10.590 --> 26:16.470]  The guy that owns Easy Everything is the younger Greek version of Richard Branson.
[26:16.470 --> 26:23.790]  So just as you had Virgin Atlantic Records and Virgin Airlines and all that, you now have easy fill-in-the-blank.
[26:24.050 --> 26:26.790]  Easy Everything, EasyJet, Easy Rental, whatever.
[26:27.270 --> 26:29.230]  Same guy, same over company.
[26:29.550 --> 26:31.870]  Who has easyripoff.com, I'd like to know.
[26:32.550 --> 26:35.050]  Possibly the same guy, but we're not going to comment on that.
[26:35.850 --> 26:36.790]  I'll comment on that.
[26:36.890 --> 26:38.750]  I think if I take it, it should be taken pretty quickly.
[26:38.910 --> 26:40.310]  And remember, the color is orange.
[26:41.910 --> 26:47.050]  Anyway, we need to move along, because there are all kinds of topics we have to cover, and we want to take some phone calls, too.
[26:47.150 --> 26:56.670]  And I don't want to take too much time with banter about our travels, because they're really kind of developing to the bigger picture of what's been going on in the world of technology.
[26:56.670 --> 26:57.990]  I do want to say a couple of things.
[26:58.450 --> 27:08.810]  I'm sure AutoJack has a couple of things to say about England, because that was the one country we went to that was radically different, radically different than the other ones that we've been wandering through.
[27:09.030 --> 27:12.450]  And radically different, I mean by that, in attitude.
[27:13.490 --> 27:14.390]  It was weird.
[27:14.390 --> 27:18.470]  We went from country to country, never being challenged or asked for passports.
[27:18.750 --> 27:20.770]  But as soon as we got into England, it was different.
[27:21.870 --> 27:23.450]  They check all your luggage.
[27:24.210 --> 27:29.330]  And once again, AutoJack got stopped by people who were asking questions about drugs.
[27:29.650 --> 27:35.230]  As you recall, a couple of months ago, he ran into some DEA agents in San Diego on the way back from New York.
[27:35.670 --> 27:37.930]  But this was kind of interesting as well.
[27:38.010 --> 27:39.650]  AutoJack, tell us something about what happened.
[27:40.830 --> 27:41.570]  Well, let's see.
[27:41.590 --> 27:49.210]  We went through the tunnel, you know, coming from Paris, and got off the train, had to wait behind like a million people.
[27:49.210 --> 27:52.990]  And then, you know, you, Eric, you got through just fine.
[27:53.570 --> 27:54.530]  No problem at all.
[27:54.670 --> 28:01.070]  And then they looked at me, and they asked me all these like weird questions about what I did, and so on and so forth.
[28:01.270 --> 28:01.830]  And then...
[28:02.370 --> 28:03.950]  I'm an international drug runner.
[28:04.630 --> 28:05.070]  Say what?
[28:05.270 --> 28:08.330]  You didn't actually respond, I'm an international drug runner, did you?
[28:08.390 --> 28:09.170]  No, no, of course not.
[28:09.410 --> 28:09.530]  Okay.
[28:10.990 --> 28:23.190]  You know, I walked past the first guy after he said my thing, and then another guy approaches me, and he asked me if I had consumed any marijuana while I was in Amsterdam, and, you know, what my business was in Amsterdam, and so on and so forth.
[28:24.210 --> 28:25.050]  Kind of a point.
[28:25.230 --> 28:28.510]  Actually, he asked me the same question, which I thought was kind of odd.
[28:28.730 --> 28:29.410]  He asked if...
[28:29.410 --> 28:32.950]  Since he knew that we were in Amsterdam, he asked if I had smoked any marijuana.
[28:32.950 --> 28:35.010]  And I was wondering, what happens if I say yes?
[28:35.190 --> 28:39.270]  You know, am I allowed in the country because I say I smoke marijuana in a different country?
[28:39.270 --> 28:42.550]  No, it means that they're going to check to see if you have any extra in your baggage.
[28:43.250 --> 28:45.450]  Well, you know, I'm all for sharing and all that kind of stuff.
[28:45.470 --> 28:46.330]  It's called probable cause.
[28:46.810 --> 28:48.730]  But, you know, they really should just ask if they want some.
[28:48.730 --> 28:51.210]  It's not something that they have to trick me into saying.
[28:51.430 --> 28:52.410]  You guys got it easy.
[28:52.790 --> 28:54.930]  I was detained for over half an hour in the airport.
[28:55.550 --> 28:55.970]  Oh, you?
[28:56.130 --> 28:56.450]  In London.
[28:57.470 --> 28:57.910]  Oh, yeah.
[28:58.270 --> 28:58.970]  You didn't tell us about this.
[28:59.050 --> 28:59.350]  What happened?
[29:00.750 --> 29:01.470]  Well, they...
[29:02.410 --> 29:08.350]  I come up to the gate and, you know, I've just bought a whole bunch of these really big Kit Kats, really cool Kit Kats.
[29:08.690 --> 29:12.570]  Anyway, I walk up to the gate and they look at my passport.
[29:12.790 --> 29:15.030]  Oh, you're my name.
[29:16.130 --> 29:17.770]  We've been looking all over for you.
[29:17.890 --> 29:27.230]  And I'm worried right off the bat because a few seconds ago this guy had walked up behind me talking on the radio saying the interrogation started at 534 or something like that.
[29:27.230 --> 29:32.290]  And, you know, it was in the past, so it wasn't talking about me.
[29:32.530 --> 29:43.090]  But, anyway, he said, oh, we have to check your baggage because we couldn't see into your bag that was checked in through the airport.
[29:44.010 --> 29:55.910]  So they take me over to this other part of this sort of a cordoned-off area and they, you know, rip open my bag, my handbag that I'm carrying with me and, you know, search through it and look at, you know, every little thing in there.
[29:55.910 --> 29:56.550]  What's this?
[29:56.650 --> 29:56.990]  What's this?
[29:57.110 --> 29:57.790]  It's GPS.
[29:58.110 --> 29:58.430]  What's this?
[29:58.530 --> 29:58.790]  What's this?
[29:58.850 --> 29:59.890]  So it's this thing.
[30:01.550 --> 30:08.970]  And after they'd done this, they carry up my bag from underneath the plane and say, is this your bag?
[30:08.990 --> 30:10.790]  And it turns out that it's actually not my bag.
[30:10.850 --> 30:14.490]  It's someone else who was on the same flight.
[30:14.610 --> 30:19.270]  I said no and they were a little pissed off that it wasn't my bag and they thought I was lying and all that.
[30:19.970 --> 30:28.530]  But after a while, the person whose bag it actually was walked up and they went through her bag and went through everything, you know, went laundry, opened up everything, poking through everything.
[30:28.770 --> 30:33.370]  I don't know really what they thought was in there, but they were Roto-Rooter.
[30:33.790 --> 30:35.730]  And this was which airport?
[30:35.990 --> 30:36.230]  England.
[30:36.530 --> 30:37.750]  This was...
[30:37.750 --> 30:38.310]  Heathrow.
[30:38.510 --> 30:38.870]  Heathrow.
[30:38.990 --> 30:39.250]  Thank you.
[30:40.390 --> 30:40.790]  Interesting.
[30:40.950 --> 30:42.310]  Well, you know, I've noticed a change.
[30:42.490 --> 30:43.950]  I was in England a few years ago.
[30:43.950 --> 30:47.770]  It just seems to have gotten a lot more paranoid about all kinds of things.
[30:47.970 --> 30:48.330]  Absolutely.
[30:49.110 --> 30:53.290]  I'm not sure if they're taking a cue from us, but it just really seemed...
[30:54.510 --> 30:57.890]  I don't want to say unfriendly because the people were very friendly throughout.
[30:58.210 --> 30:59.350]  It's the left-wing government.
[30:59.750 --> 31:02.550]  It's rather apprehensive, I think, of things.
[31:02.830 --> 31:11.690]  I mean, for instance, to give you an example, all the countries that I've been traveling through in the last five weeks, it's really been an amazing experience, something I feel I could do this for the rest of my life.
[31:11.790 --> 31:16.630]  It's just so incredible to go from place to place and just keep meeting new people and seeing new cultures.
[31:16.630 --> 31:25.930]  But throughout all of it, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Holland, Germany, I barely saw any policemen anywhere.
[31:26.230 --> 31:28.290]  Even in France, I didn't see any policemen.
[31:28.930 --> 31:33.730]  But as soon as I got to England, they were everywhere, cops everywhere you could see.
[31:33.730 --> 31:35.670]  It was such a transformation.
[31:37.970 --> 31:41.050]  Now, of course, there's another aspect to this as well.
[31:41.510 --> 31:42.970]  That's the technological aspect.
[31:43.110 --> 31:43.950]  That's what I like to get into.
[31:44.730 --> 31:45.510]  Yeah, thank you.
[31:46.410 --> 31:47.630]  Well, I mean, it all relates.
[31:47.770 --> 31:50.250]  Social, technological, it all ties together.
[31:51.570 --> 32:01.310]  The first thing, if you read the book, 1984, at the very beginning, what's one of the first things that Winston Smith had happen to him?
[32:01.350 --> 32:04.690]  He tries to use a lift, an elevator, as we call them.
[32:04.950 --> 32:05.930]  That doesn't work.
[32:06.030 --> 32:06.490]  It's broken.
[32:06.830 --> 32:14.190]  Now, I think if there's a symbol that can best sum up England, the United Kingdom, it would be a broken lift.
[32:14.190 --> 32:24.850]  Because for some reason, and it must be written into whatever constitution they have, that lifts shall not work properly.
[32:24.850 --> 32:25.490]  And they don't.
[32:25.550 --> 32:25.990]  They never do.
[32:26.210 --> 32:29.770]  As long as I've been coming to England, elevators have not worked properly.
[32:30.070 --> 32:34.170]  Now, this is something that we noticed time and time again.
[32:34.170 --> 32:38.190]  As far as any kind of machinery, there was always something wrong with it.
[32:38.450 --> 32:39.310]  Vending machines.
[32:39.470 --> 32:42.790]  They might take your money, but they certainly won't give you anything back.
[32:43.650 --> 32:46.510]  We had a door in our hotel.
[32:46.970 --> 32:47.490]  Yeah, yeah.
[32:49.050 --> 32:49.670]  The door.
[32:50.550 --> 32:55.590]  The first time we went up there, we stuck our key in, and it didn't register at all.
[32:55.770 --> 32:57.710]  So we tried it like three or four times.
[32:57.770 --> 33:00.130]  We went to the door across the way to see if it would register at all.
[33:00.310 --> 33:01.030]  It didn't.
[33:01.670 --> 33:03.070]  I mean, it did on the other door.
[33:03.270 --> 33:09.090]  So we went downstairs, and the guy told us that we have to bang on it to make it work.
[33:09.550 --> 33:11.710]  You've got to hit it really hard.
[33:11.710 --> 33:15.750]  Yeah, you've got to give it a good whack before you stick the key in, and then it'll work.
[33:15.850 --> 33:17.430]  But it still doesn't work all the time.
[33:17.830 --> 33:19.210]  It only works like a quarter of the time.
[33:19.730 --> 33:21.910]  That was only part of it.
[33:22.010 --> 33:24.750]  I mean, there was like, you know, hot water didn't work in the place.
[33:24.750 --> 33:25.590]  Hot water was out.
[33:25.690 --> 33:26.250]  It's always...
[33:26.250 --> 33:31.630]  Whenever you go around London, there are always big notes of apology from whoever it is that owns the place you're standing in.
[33:31.630 --> 33:32.910]  And that goes for hotels.
[33:32.930 --> 33:35.450]  That goes for fast food establishments.
[33:35.450 --> 33:39.270]  That goes for the whole underground system, which is the subway system.
[33:39.610 --> 33:45.550]  I've never seen so many different creative ways of subway trains not working properly.
[33:45.730 --> 33:47.010]  There were gas leaks.
[33:47.190 --> 33:48.170]  There were signal problems.
[33:48.170 --> 33:56.150]  At one time, the Piccadilly Circus station, which is probably one of the biggest stations, was closed on Saturday night at the busiest possible time.
[33:56.150 --> 33:56.870]  The reason?
[33:57.090 --> 33:58.050]  A staff shortage.
[33:58.310 --> 33:59.950]  They didn't have enough people to work, apparently.
[34:00.430 --> 34:02.410]  So it's unbelievable.
[34:02.410 --> 34:06.250]  In England, what I've noticed is that people tend to...
[34:06.830 --> 34:10.930]  They have this togetherness that we don't have in the United States.
[34:10.990 --> 34:12.170]  And I figured out what it was.
[34:12.370 --> 34:17.530]  The togetherness exists because everybody is suffering in exactly the same way.
[34:17.770 --> 34:20.550]  And it's kind of an essential part of the society, the suffering.
[34:20.830 --> 34:22.570]  That, yeah, it's always too hot.
[34:22.650 --> 34:23.370]  There's no air conditioning.
[34:23.510 --> 34:24.230]  The lifts don't work.
[34:24.510 --> 34:26.150]  The underground is crowded.
[34:26.410 --> 34:27.550]  It doesn't run on time.
[34:28.070 --> 34:28.330]  Right.
[34:28.650 --> 34:31.090]  And the vending machines will steal your money.
[34:32.630 --> 34:33.810]  You know, I love the place.
[34:33.810 --> 34:34.470]  I really do.
[34:34.910 --> 34:36.410]  I'll go back there a hundred times.
[34:36.670 --> 34:42.990]  But this is part of a culture that I'm really baffled by, and I think anyone who lives there can kind of identify with that.
[34:44.190 --> 34:53.210]  We had all kinds of bizarre run-ins with technological problems and just kind of weird things that happen.
[34:53.310 --> 34:56.290]  There's always weird things that happen whenever you go to a place like that.
[34:57.710 --> 35:06.550]  Also, we met up with Don Letts, who, as you may know, does the theme song for Off the Hook, the Much Worse.
[35:06.850 --> 35:09.790]  He was one of the singers in Big Audio Dynamite.
[35:10.070 --> 35:20.490]  And he's quite happy that everybody likes the song because it was one of the least played Big Audio Dynamite songs that was on the flip side of just playing music.
[35:21.130 --> 35:27.430]  And we've had a few people actually send us CD copies of it, which we didn't know existed, and I want to thank those people very much for doing that.
[35:27.810 --> 35:31.390]  And it's very cool that people are actually looking for it.
[35:33.290 --> 35:37.910]  But even when we were hanging out with Don, technological things were going wrong.
[35:37.910 --> 35:48.490]  There was something wrong with the whole traffic system in a part of the town, so nobody could drive out to where we were to get Chinese food to us.
[35:48.750 --> 35:50.790]  It took about an hour and a half.
[35:50.950 --> 35:52.550]  Something that should normally take ten minutes.
[35:53.290 --> 35:55.490]  And nobody understood why.
[35:55.610 --> 35:56.730]  You know, you never get an explanation.
[35:57.090 --> 35:58.690]  In the United States, we demand explanations.
[35:58.690 --> 35:59.610]  We usually get them.
[35:59.710 --> 36:03.650]  But in the UK, people just kind of tolerate it.
[36:03.850 --> 36:05.950]  And I think it's rather interesting.
[36:07.410 --> 36:09.470]  Blindly falling into decadence.
[36:10.130 --> 36:12.530]  I don't know about decadence, although I will say something.
[36:13.290 --> 36:17.670]  We all watched a program last night on the BBC, the British Broadcasting Corporation.
[36:17.970 --> 36:21.470]  Every home in the United Kingdom could get this program.
[36:21.590 --> 36:22.430]  What was the program about?
[36:22.770 --> 36:25.010]  Presuming they paid a television license.
[36:25.950 --> 36:26.790]  Yeah, of course.
[36:26.970 --> 36:28.070]  You have to pay a television license.
[36:28.170 --> 36:31.710]  But you know, Isaac, what's the difference between paying a television license and paying a cable bill?
[36:32.130 --> 36:34.650]  You know, you have to pay to watch MTV, for God's sake.
[36:35.210 --> 36:36.010]  It's horrible.
[36:36.010 --> 36:40.090]  Well, it comes to answer that eternal question for you.
[36:40.090 --> 36:41.250]  Who owns the airwaves?
[36:41.670 --> 36:44.090]  And in the UK, it is most certainly the BBC.
[36:45.490 --> 36:49.430]  Well, BBC, but also with ITV, this Channel 4, now this Channel 5.
[36:49.630 --> 36:50.010]  So it's...
[36:50.610 --> 36:50.890]  All right.
[36:50.890 --> 36:51.030]  The government.
[36:52.230 --> 36:58.010]  But, I mean, the quality of programming overall is far superior to what we have in the States, no matter how many channels we have.
[36:58.050 --> 37:03.210]  And I think that's really disturbing, because the program we saw last night had to do with the rapper Little Kim.
[37:03.210 --> 37:09.010]  I'm not sure if you're familiar with her, but basically a lot of it took place in the New York area.
[37:09.630 --> 37:15.490]  It was a documentary done by a BBC person known as Ruby Wax, who I'm not sure if people in the States are familiar with.
[37:17.070 --> 37:19.190]  This documentary was on at about...
[37:19.190 --> 37:21.410]  What would you say, AutoJack, 9.30 in the...
[37:21.410 --> 37:23.470]  Yeah, it was like 9 o'clock, 9.30, something like that, yeah.
[37:23.810 --> 37:25.370]  And there was no censorship.
[37:25.370 --> 37:31.330]  People used all kinds of language and, you know, had all kinds of explicit sexual talk.
[37:32.010 --> 37:38.650]  And this aired everywhere on one of the five major channels that went to every single home in the United Kingdom.
[37:38.650 --> 37:40.950]  And I was asking Don about this.
[37:41.030 --> 37:50.230]  I was asking, how is it that something like this can be sent into every home and fundamentalists aren't out there, you know, complaining and threatening to cut things off.
[37:50.310 --> 37:52.310]  And it's just... people just don't do that.
[37:52.430 --> 37:57.570]  People just accept that there are things that maybe they'll be interested in, maybe they won't be interested in.
[37:57.670 --> 37:59.750]  And if they don't like it, they'll turn to something else.
[37:59.850 --> 38:03.670]  So they monitor their children's viewing habits and would prevent them from watching such a thing?
[38:04.090 --> 38:04.830]  That's remarkable.
[38:05.150 --> 38:06.070]  Oh, I think that's up to them, you know.
[38:06.290 --> 38:07.670]  It's probably their decision.
[38:07.670 --> 38:11.650]  And it seems like they're making that decision on their own, involving everybody else.
[38:11.750 --> 38:12.850]  What a strange concept.
[38:12.850 --> 38:13.990]  I kind of like it.
[38:15.190 --> 38:21.370]  But I'm just wondering, this documentary about something that's happening in New York, for us to get to see it in New York...
[38:21.370 --> 38:22.070]  Hang on, I'm being...
[38:22.070 --> 38:22.270]  Yes.
[38:25.490 --> 38:25.870]  Sorry?
[38:27.450 --> 38:27.990]  Oh, yeah.
[38:29.090 --> 38:30.190]  He's being interrogated.
[38:30.650 --> 38:31.470]  I'll stand guard.
[38:31.530 --> 38:31.790]  Thank you.
[38:32.590 --> 38:37.730]  I've just been warned not to let my computer stand unguarded, so I'm going to stand in front of it now.
[38:39.370 --> 38:45.530]  But I was just wondering what it would take to see that same program in New York on the airwaves, on the public airwaves.
[38:45.750 --> 38:54.590]  And I think we have a lot of work ahead of us to actually get the veil of censorship lifted in the United States, because it certainly doesn't exist to the same degree in any of the countries I've been in so far.
[38:55.110 --> 38:55.850]  That's my rant.
[38:56.030 --> 39:01.810]  Which is interesting, considering we do have guarantees in our Constitution involving freedom of speech.
[39:01.810 --> 39:03.970]  And over there, it is most restricted.
[39:05.410 --> 39:05.810]  Hmm.
[39:06.810 --> 39:08.790]  Well, you know, it doesn't seem to be that restricted.
[39:09.310 --> 39:15.830]  Wherever I've seen, you know, people are free to speak a lot more than I've seen in the States, certainly on the airwaves.
[39:15.990 --> 39:18.250]  Well, what they say is certainly under control.
[39:19.030 --> 39:20.010]  I don't know about that.
[39:20.110 --> 39:21.310]  I'd like to see some evidence of that.
[39:21.550 --> 39:22.670]  I've seen...
[39:22.670 --> 39:23.070]  Okay.
[39:23.070 --> 39:34.230]  To give you an example, I've seen American television presented in a better way than it is in America, you know, with added scenes, with full credits, all kinds of things like that.
[39:34.630 --> 39:41.330]  And, you know, movies that are made in the United States, shown on broadcast television, without anything being cut or censored in any way.
[39:41.610 --> 39:43.230]  I don't see that in the United States.
[39:43.770 --> 39:46.330]  You know, I just see commercials everywhere, and I see censorship everywhere.
[39:46.570 --> 39:47.130]  So it's...
[39:47.130 --> 39:52.550]  Our Constitution may guarantee some things, but I think some of us might be looking for our money back on that guarantee.
[39:53.750 --> 40:06.070]  Well, there is a program coming up on The Expert Witness, which is the show prior to us, and the only reason I know it's coming up is because I engineer for them, too, regarding a gentleman who is making a report.
[40:06.170 --> 40:19.350]  He works for The Guardian over there in the UK, and was trying to publish a report about a company that basically buried 50 miners alive in the mineshaft.
[40:19.350 --> 40:22.610]  And he was, you know, he tried to publish it.
[40:22.870 --> 40:33.070]  The company approached the UK government and basically had the entire thing hushed up, and refused to allow this man to publish it and let it be known.
[40:33.230 --> 40:46.290]  And there are a whole bunch of interesting cans of worms that opens because he maintains his own private website here in the United States, and the company is trying to use UK law to prevent this man from publishing something here in the US.
[40:46.390 --> 41:00.690]  And that's just a very terrible sort of preview into what the future may hold so far as copyright regulations and the DMCA here in the States and things like that.
[41:00.690 --> 41:08.970]  Well, I think you're referring to the state secrets law, which is definitely something that a lot of people here are upset about, where if something is deemed a secret, then it can be restricted.
[41:09.350 --> 41:15.390]  We're seeing things like that in many parts of the world, including the States, and it's something I think that has to be fought on all fronts, obviously.
[41:17.210 --> 41:28.530]  I think we need to learn from different cultures, and we need to share our horror stories and also share our successes and just, you know, open up our minds to the possibility that, hey, maybe there's a different way of doing it.
[41:29.190 --> 41:29.650]  All right.
[41:29.870 --> 41:31.190]  Well, we've got about 20 minutes left.
[41:31.190 --> 41:31.810]  What do you want to do?
[41:32.630 --> 41:35.370]  Well, if anybody has any other stories, tell them quickly.
[41:35.510 --> 41:37.710]  Otherwise, take some phone calls at 212...
[41:39.170 --> 41:41.050]  I've been so long away that I don't remember the phone.
[41:41.210 --> 41:42.590]  2-0-9-2-9-3, right?
[41:43.330 --> 41:45.570]  2-1-2-2-0-9-2-9-hundred.
[41:46.070 --> 41:47.650]  I have a quick thing on PCS phones.
[41:48.050 --> 41:50.610]  Oh, this fellow here has a quick thing on PCS phones.
[41:50.710 --> 41:51.050]  We want it?
[41:52.830 --> 41:54.310]  I can barely hear him, but go ahead.
[41:55.050 --> 41:55.450]  Okay.
[41:55.770 --> 42:06.090]  A couple days after, I think it was last week's show, the circuit section at the time has mentioned that PCS phones die in the subway because if you leave them on, they keep searching for a signal and kill your battery.
[42:07.770 --> 42:08.170]  Yeah.
[42:08.370 --> 42:16.430]  Well, I mean, I know Spring PCS has that problem, where if it doesn't go into power-safe mode, it will kill your battery very quickly.
[42:16.610 --> 42:16.810]  Yes.
[42:17.110 --> 42:19.130]  So that's definitely something that...
[42:19.130 --> 42:23.430]  You know, I have to comment, and maybe Porkshop, if you're still on, you can add to this.
[42:23.790 --> 42:23.930]  Sure.
[42:23.930 --> 42:28.870]  The GSM technology just simply, it kicks our ass.
[42:28.870 --> 42:33.630]  It really does in Europe because it works so well.
[42:33.890 --> 42:39.410]  I mean, yeah, I was on a very noisy train just now, and it was a pain, but I was getting a consistent signal.
[42:39.590 --> 42:41.730]  And I can't do that in New York.
[42:41.910 --> 42:43.610]  I can't do that on the Long Island Railroad.
[42:43.610 --> 42:46.250]  If you remember the show, we tried to do that a few months ago.
[42:47.350 --> 42:48.970]  They have competition here.
[42:49.170 --> 42:50.730]  They have choices.
[42:50.990 --> 42:54.830]  We were having trouble reaching my line before, so I changed companies.
[42:55.070 --> 42:59.330]  I simply entered my phone and changed to a different company, and we were able to get through.
[42:59.510 --> 43:02.130]  So we fixed the problem by using the competition.
[43:02.130 --> 43:09.990]  In the United States, it's forbidden to have competition in the GSM technology because they all agreed not to compete with each other.
[43:10.190 --> 43:11.130]  All right, well, wait a second.
[43:11.430 --> 43:11.890]  This is not...
[43:11.890 --> 43:16.530]  I'm calling on anyone out there, anyone out there who has the ability to start a GSM company.
[43:16.770 --> 43:20.530]  Please, please, please compete with Voistream because they're driving us crazy.
[43:20.790 --> 43:30.230]  I don't know if you heard, but Deutsche Telekom recently purchased Voistream, had their stock tank, because Voistream dragged it down when they were acquired.
[43:30.230 --> 43:32.090]  That just happened last week.
[43:33.230 --> 43:38.870]  Basically, it's a real shame to the GSM technology that this is how it's being presented to the American people.
[43:39.470 --> 43:47.110]  We've had the pork chop, and they have had service cut off while we were here, and we had to spend God knows how many dollars to talk to somebody at Voistream.
[43:47.210 --> 43:50.490]  We didn't have a clue what we were talking about to try and get it turned on.
[43:50.770 --> 43:54.530]  Again, SMS messages work infrequently, if at all.
[43:54.690 --> 43:59.310]  All the services that people are using here simply don't exist for us.
[43:59.310 --> 44:02.710]  And you see all kinds of GSM being used everywhere.
[44:03.090 --> 44:05.050]  You know, people send SMS back and forth to each other.
[44:05.230 --> 44:06.310]  It's a great technology.
[44:06.310 --> 44:08.270]  It should be used, and there should be competition.
[44:09.070 --> 44:12.050]  Unfortunately, I'm going to disagree with you and say that it's an old technology.
[44:12.050 --> 44:24.590]  It is the second generation of wireless devices, and it basically is not going to have any more money put into it here in the States because all of your wireless providers are going to start putting their money into 3G alternatives to GSM.
[44:25.430 --> 44:26.590]  Well, you know, that's great.
[44:26.810 --> 44:27.810]  You're talking about the future.
[44:27.930 --> 44:29.130]  What are they going to start doing?
[44:29.270 --> 44:30.570]  Well, you're talking about the future, too.
[44:30.690 --> 44:32.350]  You want them to build more GSM networks.
[44:32.470 --> 44:33.890]  I'm going to tell you, no one's going to do that.
[44:34.370 --> 44:34.430]  No, I want to catch up.
[44:34.610 --> 44:36.470]  You're saying that GSM is an old technology.
[44:36.470 --> 44:36.990]  I agree with you.
[44:37.010 --> 44:38.250]  I want to catch up with the past.
[44:38.250 --> 44:40.650]  I want to be where Europe was 10 years ago in the States.
[44:40.690 --> 44:41.650]  That would be kind of nice.
[44:41.650 --> 44:42.470]  Well, we're not.
[44:42.610 --> 44:44.050]  We haven't caught up at all.
[44:44.050 --> 44:47.410]  We have lousy, lousy technology.
[44:47.710 --> 44:53.430]  Instead of having competing companies, we have competing technologies with one company each per technology.
[44:53.630 --> 44:58.110]  And that doesn't benefit anybody because you have to carry around three phones if you want to have any choice.
[44:59.390 --> 45:01.090]  I'm just telling you what the future will bring.
[45:01.170 --> 45:05.090]  No one's going to put money into GSM because it's all going to go into 3G here in the States.
[45:05.410 --> 45:09.170]  There's no reason to make that second step when the third step is already in front of you.
[45:09.230 --> 45:10.490]  You just leap over the second one.
[45:10.490 --> 45:13.370]  I'd just like to know, how is this decision being made?
[45:13.510 --> 45:19.510]  Who is it out there saying that GSM is not going to work in the States when it's worked fabulously well throughout the rest of the world?
[45:19.610 --> 45:21.270]  It's not an issue of working well in the States.
[45:21.270 --> 45:24.850]  It's an issue of we have X many dollars, which is a limited resource.
[45:25.050 --> 45:29.870]  What can we put it towards that will bring us the greatest return on our investment?
[45:30.050 --> 45:31.590]  And the answer is not GSM.
[45:31.730 --> 45:36.690]  GSM has some very serious flaws so far as the coverage of the actual antennas.
[45:37.170 --> 45:38.290]  Wait, wait, wait, wait.
[45:38.330 --> 45:39.850]  What serious flaws are we talking about?
[45:39.850 --> 45:41.450]  It works flawlessly in Europe.
[45:41.750 --> 45:44.210]  I understand where it's fully deployed.
[45:44.610 --> 45:52.190]  But if you're going to put out GSM, you're going to need to put it up on all these towers that no one's letting be put up in the first place.
[45:52.250 --> 45:57.110]  There are whole moratoriums on tower construction on Long Island that I've been recently made aware of.
[45:57.790 --> 46:04.870]  You're talking about deploying an entirely brand new network in order to support this sort of advanced coverage.
[46:04.870 --> 46:09.810]  And no one's going to invest it in a technology that's a few years or if not over a decade old.
[46:10.670 --> 46:17.790]  I mean, Europe came into this game a little late in that we already had a lot of analog cellular coverage.
[46:18.390 --> 46:19.550]  GSM was being developed.
[46:19.770 --> 46:20.450]  It went on the market.
[46:20.670 --> 46:23.990]  They installed it instead of the analog cellular system we have here.
[46:24.570 --> 46:31.810]  Yeah, they did the right thing by doing that because the analog cellular system is notoriously insecure and overly expensive.
[46:32.050 --> 46:32.630]  And now what?
[46:32.750 --> 46:35.690]  As far as the tower moratorium, well, there's a good reason for that.
[46:35.690 --> 46:43.070]  That's because the towers that companies like Sprint PCS and Boistream want to construct are these mammoth things that scare the hell out of school kids.
[46:43.610 --> 46:46.210]  And here you have towers.
[46:46.490 --> 46:47.430]  They're not towers.
[46:47.590 --> 46:50.430]  They're antennas in various areas that you can't even see.
[46:50.630 --> 46:53.830]  They don't obstruct, you know, the natural geology at all.
[46:55.610 --> 46:57.990]  And, you know, it's logical.
[46:57.990 --> 46:58.810]  It makes sense.
[46:59.010 --> 46:59.430]  It's hidden.
[46:59.550 --> 47:02.230]  And the coverage is pretty much everywhere.
[47:02.230 --> 47:02.610]  Okay.
[47:02.610 --> 47:10.290]  Well, the point is that the investment of dragging us up from our legacy analog system is going to be in the third generation of technology instead of the second.
[47:10.650 --> 47:14.210]  But that's going to bring you a lot more interesting things than GSM already has.
[47:14.670 --> 47:28.690]  I don't want to spend much time more on this, but I do want to say that I think this is a good example of how American technology stubbornly holds on to something that does not work and is not in line with the rest of the world and to our detriment.
[47:28.690 --> 47:30.890]  You know, the consumers are not making this decision.
[47:31.010 --> 47:33.830]  The consumers don't have the chance to use the technology to find out.
[47:33.890 --> 47:40.730]  But I invite anybody who wants to come over here to get a GSM phone and use it and see how much easier it is over here.
[47:40.810 --> 47:45.070]  I mean, we bought a phone over here so that people can stay in touch with us.
[47:45.070 --> 47:47.650]  It's the simplest thing to have something work.
[47:47.830 --> 47:49.810]  You know, you turn it on and all of a sudden you have a phone.
[47:49.930 --> 47:55.270]  It accepts free incoming calls from all around the world, you know, so you actually have a way of staying in touch with people.
[47:55.270 --> 47:57.510]  In the United States, to do that, I don't know what you'd have to go to.
[47:59.170 --> 47:59.570]  Well...
[47:59.570 --> 48:00.810]  Bortrap, any thoughts on this?
[48:01.130 --> 48:03.130]  I like the GSM technology a whole lot.
[48:03.250 --> 48:05.910]  I haven't been keeping up with 3G technology.
[48:05.910 --> 48:10.070]  I don't know what exactly it's supposed to provide for us.
[48:10.090 --> 48:15.210]  But I can't really imagine using more features than GSM actually provides to it.
[48:15.310 --> 48:17.330]  It provides absolutely everything that I need in a phone.
[48:18.350 --> 48:20.250]  And it was absolutely wonderful.
[48:20.250 --> 48:21.990]  I was in the middle of nowhere.
[48:21.990 --> 48:23.810]  I was in the middle of a big field in Norway.
[48:23.810 --> 48:27.450]  And I was getting better cellular coverage than I was in the middle of the city.
[48:28.270 --> 48:29.250]  In the United States.
[48:29.330 --> 48:30.070]  In the middle of New York City.
[48:30.150 --> 48:32.270]  I was standing and I was barely getting signal.
[48:32.750 --> 48:36.070]  And in the middle of the field, like, there's absolutely nothing around me.
[48:36.150 --> 48:38.130]  And I was still getting 4 or 5 bars.
[48:38.250 --> 48:41.670]  It never went below 4 bars in my memory of all of Europe.
[48:42.050 --> 48:45.070]  And how many different companies were you able to choose from in that field?
[48:46.630 --> 48:47.510]  Usually 3.
[48:48.070 --> 48:49.630]  At one point, I believe there were 4.
[48:49.830 --> 48:53.970]  And if you have more than one band available on your phone, they actually use 2 bands.
[48:54.170 --> 48:57.290]  900 and 1900.
[48:58.310 --> 49:00.710]  There are 2 frequencies that you can use.
[49:00.890 --> 49:02.350]  My phone only did 900.
[49:03.130 --> 49:08.310]  But if you had both frequencies like your phone does, you can get as many as 5 or 6 companies at the same time.
[49:08.310 --> 49:09.970]  Unless you were in a border area.
[49:10.130 --> 49:14.550]  If you were in a border area, you could get all 3 companies from one country and all 3 companies from the other.
[49:15.130 --> 49:18.330]  And you could have, you know, 6 companies at the same time.
[49:18.430 --> 49:20.330]  You could choose which country you wanted to call from.
[49:20.650 --> 49:21.390]  It was...
[49:22.670 --> 49:25.310]  It was something that you would never see in the United States.
[49:25.310 --> 49:27.250]  And I would absolutely love it to be here.
[49:27.790 --> 49:28.010]  Yeah.
[49:28.370 --> 49:31.110]  And I'd really like to know the reason why that can't happen.
[49:31.230 --> 49:31.790]  I don't think it's because...
[49:31.790 --> 49:32.610]  I'll give you the answer.
[49:33.450 --> 49:35.370]  Superimpose Montana over Central Europe.
[49:35.390 --> 49:36.830]  How many countries is it going to cover?
[49:37.870 --> 49:39.410]  Look at population density.
[49:39.690 --> 49:40.770]  We're talking dollars here.
[49:40.910 --> 49:43.970]  This is a technology that's been deployed to make countries.
[49:44.850 --> 49:46.130]  I understand that.
[49:46.430 --> 49:59.650]  But there is an interest in having universal coverage and there is enough of a population in the area and enough subscribers that would make it a good investment for the company to put that technology in that field.
[49:59.890 --> 50:03.010]  Whereas in the middle of Montana, you've got the analog system.
[50:03.210 --> 50:08.430]  How about we just have a company that covers the tri-state area where there's plenty of population, plenty of competition...
[50:08.430 --> 50:09.050]  You've got four.
[50:09.310 --> 50:10.050]  Would be...
[50:10.590 --> 50:10.870]  Sorry?
[50:11.030 --> 50:11.730]  You've got four.
[50:12.590 --> 50:13.430]  We have four what?
[50:13.510 --> 50:14.290]  We don't have four GSM companies.
[50:14.290 --> 50:15.170]  You've got Verizon.
[50:15.390 --> 50:16.890]  You've got Sprint PCS.
[50:17.030 --> 50:18.030]  You've got VoiceStream.
[50:18.190 --> 50:19.710]  And you've got AT&T Wireless.
[50:20.810 --> 50:24.710]  VoiceStream is the only GSM company that's permitted to operate in New York.
[50:24.810 --> 50:27.630]  By agreement of the GSM consortium here in the states.
[50:27.630 --> 50:27.890]  Exactly.
[50:27.970 --> 50:31.030]  The GSM consortium that locks out anybody else from competing.
[50:31.030 --> 50:31.870]  That's the problem.
[50:32.130 --> 50:34.750]  That's turned into the American way, locking out competition.
[50:35.010 --> 50:36.030]  That's what has to stop.
[50:37.930 --> 50:38.990]  We've got some calls here.
[50:39.030 --> 50:39.510]  You want to take them?
[50:39.510 --> 50:41.010]  We might have to stop ourselves.
[50:41.190 --> 50:43.570]  So let's take some phone calls and let other people have to say.
[50:44.110 --> 50:44.550]  Hello.
[50:44.670 --> 50:45.110]  You're on the air.
[50:45.490 --> 50:45.930]  Hello.
[50:46.650 --> 50:48.470]  Hi, Emmanuel and everybody else.
[50:49.070 --> 50:49.310]  Hi.
[50:49.830 --> 50:50.090]  Hello.
[50:50.530 --> 50:52.850]  I was listening earlier and I think...
[50:52.850 --> 50:54.130]  Was it Isaac?
[50:54.450 --> 50:59.930]  You mentioned a report that's coming up about a Guardian writer.
[51:00.230 --> 51:00.590]  Yes.
[51:00.930 --> 51:02.130]  Was that Greg Palast?
[51:02.250 --> 51:02.910]  That was...
[51:02.910 --> 51:03.370]  That's him.
[51:03.510 --> 51:09.370]  Yeah, the one who actually covered the presidential fraud in Florida.
[51:09.670 --> 51:09.790]  Correct.
[51:09.790 --> 51:11.590]  And he had a story there as well.
[51:12.130 --> 51:14.070]  And WBIX.org had covered it.
[51:14.090 --> 51:15.510]  Do you agree it's a presidential fraud in Florida?
[51:15.710 --> 51:16.290]  No, no, no.
[51:16.290 --> 51:19.370]  No, I'm saying it's correct that this is the gentleman who covered it.
[51:19.430 --> 51:22.350]  And the only place it was published was in the Guardian in the UK.
[51:22.650 --> 51:22.990]  Okay.
[51:22.990 --> 51:25.450]  And he has it on his website at Gregory Palast.
[51:25.850 --> 51:26.110]  Right.
[51:26.270 --> 51:34.170]  And WBIX.org was at the Voter March conference where Vincent Bugliosi, I think his name is?
[51:34.750 --> 51:35.310]  Not familiar.
[51:35.510 --> 51:37.730]  The one who wrote the book about the theft of the presidency.
[51:38.110 --> 51:40.430]  And Greg Palast was there speaking as well.
[51:41.570 --> 51:44.450]  But anyway, I just wanted to make sure that this is the person you were talking about.
[51:44.450 --> 51:44.710]  Yes.
[51:44.830 --> 51:45.830]  Thank you for reminding me.
[51:45.930 --> 51:47.910]  And Emmanuel, I hope that you come back really soon.
[51:48.390 --> 51:48.930]  For me?
[51:49.570 --> 51:49.930]  Bye.
[51:50.490 --> 51:50.850]  Okay.
[51:50.870 --> 51:51.550]  I hope so, too.
[51:51.710 --> 51:54.070]  Well, I'm scheduled to be there next week if they let me in the building.
[51:54.310 --> 51:55.150]  Oh, they'll let you in the building.
[51:55.610 --> 51:57.050]  Now, why do I sound like that?
[51:57.330 --> 51:57.690]  Okay.
[51:57.730 --> 51:58.050]  I'm back.
[51:59.110 --> 51:59.470]  Yes.
[51:59.570 --> 52:00.690]  Thank you for reminding me.
[52:01.110 --> 52:03.670]  It's somewhat shameful that I forgot the gentleman's name.
[52:04.430 --> 52:05.690]  Let's go to another call here.
[52:05.970 --> 52:06.330]  Hello.
[52:06.470 --> 52:06.930]  You're on the air.
[52:07.950 --> 52:08.310]  Hello.
[52:08.310 --> 52:08.730]  Hi.
[52:08.930 --> 52:09.310]  How are you doing?
[52:10.310 --> 52:10.390]  How are you doing?
[52:10.410 --> 52:11.410]  About easy everything.
[52:11.650 --> 52:15.130]  I was wondering if they are blocked by IP address and not just by name.
[52:15.730 --> 52:16.010]  They do.
[52:17.550 --> 52:18.790]  Is this on a cell phone?
[52:18.870 --> 52:19.750]  Because I can barely hear them.
[52:20.770 --> 52:21.270]  You use one?
[52:21.710 --> 52:22.830]  I'm in the tub, actually.
[52:24.250 --> 52:25.570]  You're in the tub this week?
[52:26.090 --> 52:26.490]  What?
[52:26.690 --> 52:27.570]  I did that last week.
[52:27.930 --> 52:28.030]  Hi.
[52:29.570 --> 52:31.170]  This can't be a habit, you know.
[52:31.170 --> 52:31.990]  All right.
[52:32.030 --> 52:34.170]  I'm on a Qualcomm PCS phone, actually.
[52:34.290 --> 52:40.270]  And when you're in the subway, they actually shut down after about five minutes of searching for a signal.
[52:40.770 --> 52:40.930]  Right.
[52:41.550 --> 52:41.990]  Okay.
[52:42.050 --> 52:42.230]  Yeah.
[52:42.330 --> 52:44.130]  Some phones are intelligent enough to do that.
[52:44.230 --> 52:44.830]  Others aren't.
[52:46.570 --> 52:47.010]  Okay.
[52:47.590 --> 52:49.130]  That's someone else in a bathtub.
[52:49.710 --> 52:51.010]  That's very strange.
[52:51.470 --> 52:51.830]  Yeah.
[52:51.830 --> 52:52.990]  The compressor just came back.
[52:53.130 --> 52:53.450]  All right.
[52:54.070 --> 52:54.510]  Hello.
[52:54.510 --> 52:55.210]  You're on the air.
[52:55.690 --> 52:56.810]  Oh, no, you're not.
[52:56.950 --> 52:57.310]  That's not me.
[52:57.590 --> 52:57.910]  Okay.
[52:58.330 --> 52:58.730]  Hello.
[52:58.730 --> 52:59.490]  You're on the air.
[53:00.010 --> 53:00.530]  Yeah.
[53:00.730 --> 53:00.770]  Hi.
[53:00.930 --> 53:03.290]  On these Qualcomm systems that you guys...
[53:03.290 --> 53:05.430]  I mean, not Qualcomm, but GSM systems.
[53:05.430 --> 53:05.510]  GSM.
[53:06.190 --> 53:12.150]  Is the signal being provided by overhead satellites or they're provided by local antennas distributed?
[53:12.490 --> 53:13.490]  But it is...
[53:13.490 --> 53:13.790]  Okay.
[53:13.890 --> 53:20.950]  There is no service anywhere in the world that I know of that provides a handheld cellular telephone by satellite service.
[53:21.690 --> 53:25.930]  If you want to buy a satellite telephone, it is usually an enormous monstrosity.
[53:26.190 --> 53:28.110]  They used to be the size of a briefcase.
[53:28.110 --> 53:29.890]  Now they're about the size of a lunchbox.
[53:31.210 --> 53:34.210]  Iridium did try to change that with the Iridium satellite phone.
[53:34.210 --> 53:36.330]  But that company had some very serious problems.
[53:36.670 --> 53:40.550]  They're like chapter, I don't know, 472 bankruptcy.
[53:41.370 --> 53:42.350]  Not in the epilogue now.
[53:42.510 --> 53:42.710]  Yeah.
[53:43.470 --> 53:47.670]  We've gone past the appendix and into the epilogue in their bankruptcy hearings.
[53:47.670 --> 53:48.390]  And...
[53:48.390 --> 53:54.890]  Well, you know, part of the problem, Isaac, though, unless the satellite is really low orbit, you have real trouble communicating.
[53:55.350 --> 53:59.950]  I don't know if you've ever spoken on a satellite, a real satellite, 22,500 miles up above the sky.
[54:00.230 --> 54:00.270]  Mm-hmm.
[54:00.810 --> 54:01.250]  Yeah.
[54:01.250 --> 54:02.110]  Or the Earth, rather.
[54:03.030 --> 54:04.170]  It's a delay.
[54:04.470 --> 54:07.290]  You get the Ted Koppel effect where people keep talking on top of each other.
[54:07.290 --> 54:07.550]  Right.
[54:07.550 --> 54:09.290]  Which is nothing compared to what we're doing tonight.
[54:09.750 --> 54:10.190]  Well, hey.
[54:12.370 --> 54:16.790]  Regardless, yeah, there aren't any real services that are provided by satellite.
[54:16.970 --> 54:17.910]  Iridium may come back.
[54:17.990 --> 54:18.950]  You know, you never can tell.
[54:19.110 --> 54:26.330]  There's a whole company that was set up to buy the assets and the DOD has enough invested in it that they just might buy the whole thing out from under the companies.
[54:26.390 --> 54:29.170]  Iridium sounds like something radioactive that might always come back.
[54:29.270 --> 54:30.550]  So, yeah, you might be right about that.
[54:30.690 --> 54:30.870]  Okay.
[54:31.170 --> 54:31.510]  Thank you.
[54:31.810 --> 54:32.190]  You're welcome.
[54:32.890 --> 54:33.350]  All right.
[54:33.350 --> 54:34.090]  Let's try another one.
[54:34.910 --> 54:35.990]  Hello, you're on the air.
[54:37.590 --> 54:38.470]  Hello, hello, hello.
[54:38.990 --> 54:39.430]  Hello.
[54:39.830 --> 54:40.030]  Hi.
[54:40.690 --> 54:41.510]  Is this off the hook?
[54:41.630 --> 54:42.150]  Yes, it is.
[54:42.930 --> 54:43.750]  Oh, hello there.
[54:44.230 --> 54:45.430]  How's everybody there?
[54:45.630 --> 54:46.430]  Oh, we're all right.
[54:46.910 --> 54:48.490]  Well, we're standing in a train station.
[54:48.730 --> 54:52.870]  I wanted to ask you a question about prepaid wireless, if I could.
[54:53.070 --> 54:53.370]  Go ahead.
[54:53.790 --> 54:55.770]  What is your experience with them?
[54:56.150 --> 54:57.030]  Prepaid wireless?
[54:57.830 --> 54:59.030]  I've never owned one.
[54:59.030 --> 55:00.230]  I knew someone who did.
[55:01.250 --> 55:13.050]  If you're not making a lot of calls, and you just want to have the thing around for, you know, calling your spouse and saying you're going to be late for dinner or something, or it's not something you use very regularly, it makes sense.
[55:14.330 --> 55:24.470]  Beyond that, you wind up spending so much time running around trying to find these cards in order to continue your service, it doesn't pay, as opposed to just getting an account.
[55:24.670 --> 55:27.590]  Even if you don't have a good credit, you can leave a deposit.
[55:27.590 --> 55:30.410]  I know with Sprint PCS or some other...
[55:31.190 --> 55:31.490]  Okay.
[55:31.670 --> 55:37.570]  Just wondering about the different types that are available, because I have noticed that there are basically two kinds.
[55:37.750 --> 55:41.810]  One kind programs a meter into the phone itself.
[55:42.010 --> 55:42.190]  Right.
[55:43.850 --> 55:52.730]  I know that the one I have is called TrackPhone, and I know that there's others that use Uniden model phone.
[55:53.010 --> 55:53.310]  Mm-hmm.
[55:53.390 --> 55:56.350]  I was wondering if there are any other ones like that.
[55:57.150 --> 55:57.470]  Hmm.
[55:57.990 --> 56:01.690]  Well, you've gone past my field of experience.
[56:01.690 --> 56:02.610]  Anybody else?
[56:03.290 --> 56:17.030]  I used prepay with OmniPoint back when OmniPoint existed, which was like I think you described, Isaac, was just a card that you enter, you enter the code into an 800 number, or actually into a three-digit number that you can do with GSM phones.
[56:17.710 --> 56:19.330]  And that worked out fairly well.
[56:19.410 --> 56:23.250]  The only problem is that you could do it, the smallest increment you could do it in was $100.
[56:23.790 --> 56:26.330]  And that $100 expired after two months.
[56:26.550 --> 56:32.750]  So if you didn't use your phone for two months, they still got you, because that $100 was now theirs, and you couldn't call with it anymore.
[56:33.030 --> 56:33.590]  Oh, jeez.
[56:34.110 --> 56:34.270]  Yeah.
[56:34.490 --> 56:35.290]  That was OmniPoint.
[56:35.310 --> 56:38.710]  That's part of the philosophy of making the people who probably can't afford to pay, pay the most.
[56:39.110 --> 56:39.250]  Hmm.
[56:39.490 --> 56:40.550]  Absolutely correct.
[56:41.790 --> 56:42.450]  All right.
[56:42.570 --> 56:43.470]  I didn't hear that.
[56:43.830 --> 56:50.770]  Oh, he said that he had used OmniPoint when OmniPoint still existed, prepaid.
[56:51.150 --> 57:00.470]  And the warning he gave was that at that point in time, they were only offering it in $100 increments, and the $100 expired after two months.
[57:00.470 --> 57:06.030]  So I would definitely be very careful about when the card expires, if you are going to go through that.
[57:06.110 --> 57:17.590]  I don't have a problem particularly with that, but what I have found is that from varying places I would go, the rates would vary, and they would vary greatly.
[57:17.870 --> 57:18.130]  Okay.
[57:19.130 --> 57:20.370]  Especially for roaming.
[57:20.510 --> 57:22.670]  Roaming is a very expensive thing, I've found.
[57:22.930 --> 57:24.130]  Oh, for any...
[57:24.130 --> 57:27.730]  Coming from Canada, roaming in the U.S.
[57:27.730 --> 57:29.970]  is like throwing money out the window.
[57:29.970 --> 57:30.610]  Oh, I imagine.
[57:31.090 --> 57:38.390]  Well, I did the inverse at a particular point in time, and Spring PCS was fairly good to me about that.
[57:38.650 --> 57:40.330]  They didn't hit me up too bad.
[57:40.630 --> 57:42.070]  But anyway, thanks for calling.
[57:42.610 --> 57:42.870]  Okay.
[57:42.950 --> 57:45.390]  Well, thanks, and help from everybody in Edmonton.
[57:45.590 --> 57:46.090]  All right.
[57:46.850 --> 57:53.230]  Well, we've got about two minutes left, so gentlemen, you might want to give your parting words.
[57:54.290 --> 57:58.730]  Well, gee, I guess I'm looking forward to seeing New York again.
[57:58.730 --> 57:59.750]  It's been a long time.
[57:59.850 --> 58:00.510]  When are you coming back?
[58:00.650 --> 58:01.450]  Five weeks for me.
[58:02.490 --> 58:04.150]  I heard a rumor that Giuliani resigned.
[58:04.250 --> 58:04.610]  Is that true?
[58:05.310 --> 58:06.370]  Not to my knowledge.
[58:06.770 --> 58:07.090]  Sorry.
[58:07.650 --> 58:08.690]  Maybe that was just a dream.
[58:09.530 --> 58:15.510]  Well, in any event, regardless of who's ruling the city, I look forward to getting back there and being a part of it once more.
[58:16.390 --> 58:24.370]  And I also want to thank you, Isaac, for all the hard work you've done, helping out with the show, and really doing a juggling act of all these different telephone guests we've had over the weeks.
[58:24.530 --> 58:25.490]  Oh, that's not a problem.
[58:25.970 --> 58:26.950]  That's what I'm here for.
[58:27.150 --> 58:32.010]  And I understand you're also there quite a bit more now, doing full-time, filling in for Michael G.
[58:32.070 --> 58:33.730]  Yes, I'm filling in for Michael G while he's away.
[58:34.190 --> 58:36.230]  Wish you luck with that, because I know that can be...
[58:37.070 --> 58:39.910]  That's an armful in itself, so you've been there since 12 o'clock today.
[58:40.050 --> 58:41.490]  Yes, this has been a very long day.
[58:42.210 --> 58:44.610]  You're just probably waiting for this hour to be over.
[58:45.510 --> 58:50.790]  Well, you know, this is the most entertaining hour on radio that I know of, particularly because I'm involved.
[58:51.090 --> 58:51.890]  But anyway, thank you.
[58:51.990 --> 58:52.730]  Thank you for your compliments.
[58:53.130 --> 58:54.790]  It tells you something about the state of radio, doesn't it?
[58:54.930 --> 58:55.570]  Yes, it should.
[58:56.510 --> 58:57.430]  Anyway, Porkchop?
[58:57.870 --> 59:02.610]  Well, I'll tell you, I'm ready to go back to Amsterdam, and I didn't get as much time there as I wanted.
[59:02.610 --> 59:03.310]  It's a great city.
[59:03.430 --> 59:11.650]  If anybody has the time and the money, which actually isn't a whole lot of money, to go over to Europe, do that.
[59:11.710 --> 59:12.090]  Really do.
[59:12.330 --> 59:14.730]  And check out a lot of the cities that you've been hearing about.
[59:14.850 --> 59:15.630]  It's good stuff.
[59:16.110 --> 59:16.430]  All right.
[59:16.570 --> 59:19.630]  Thanks also to Mackey and to AutoJack for being part of things tonight.
[59:19.790 --> 59:20.970]  And we'll see you next week.
[59:21.230 --> 59:22.030]  When are you getting back?
[59:23.230 --> 59:24.190]  Sometime later this week.
[59:24.210 --> 59:24.910]  I'm not exactly sure.
[59:24.950 --> 59:26.330]  I've got to look at my ticket and figure that out.
[59:26.470 --> 59:26.710]  All right.
[59:26.790 --> 59:28.290]  Well, if you need a ride from the airport, let me know.
[59:28.830 --> 59:29.650]  Okay, I'll call you.
[59:29.830 --> 59:30.130]  All right.
[59:30.130 --> 59:34.730]  And this is Isaac Falcon, ending a very long broadcast day.
[59:35.670 --> 59:43.870]  Up next is Tahir, followed by Nuff Said, and then the rebroadcast of the WBI Evening News.
[59:44.490 --> 59:45.410]  Thank you very much.
[59:45.470 --> 59:46.010]  I'll see you tomorrow.
[01:00:35.200 --> 01:00:45.400]  Let me also pay my respects to the coalition commanders that I just met and to the members of the armed forces that are here side by side with the United States.
[01:00:45.640 --> 01:00:49.020]  Armed forces from other countries, shoulder to shoulder.
[01:00:49.220 --> 01:00:54.920]  And we are very grateful that this is a multilateral, not simply a unilateral mission.
[01:00:54.920 --> 01:00:56.680]  Our U.S.
[01:00:56.760 --> 01:00:58.760]  presence, of course, is the dominant one.
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