[00:01.900 --> 00:06.020]  Invite you to the greatest satire... Since the last Enron Company picnic.
[00:06.360 --> 00:08.860]  St. Patrick's Day, Sunday, March 17th.
[00:08.930 --> 00:10.860]  At the world-famous Comic Strip.
[00:10.880 --> 00:12.760]  On 2nd Avenue, near 81st.
[00:12.800 --> 00:14.160]  Doors open at 4 p.m.
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[00:18.620 --> 00:20.440]  The Christmas Coup Comedy Players.
[00:20.540 --> 00:22.040]  Hey, that's the CCCP.
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[00:27.820 --> 00:30.600]  Or on the internet, it's christmascoup.com.
[00:30.600 --> 00:31.920]  And this is comedy, right?
[00:32.040 --> 00:32.320]  Yes.
[00:32.560 --> 00:32.800]  Oh, dear.
[00:33.020 --> 00:34.780]  Parody, travesty, caricature.
[00:34.880 --> 00:37.640]  Sly remarks and continued bashing of the old crew.
[00:37.960 --> 00:39.520]  Lampoon, railery, burlesque.
[00:39.600 --> 00:41.000]  How about bashing of the new crew?
[00:41.220 --> 00:43.500]  Don't worry, those jokes are already in the works.
[00:43.660 --> 00:45.220]  Hmm, well, I want to laugh or leave?
[00:45.480 --> 00:47.920]  We'll find out St. Patrick's Day at the Comic Strip.
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[00:53.320 --> 00:55.880]  Or on the internet at christmascoup.com.
[00:56.080 --> 00:58.160]  What about those who say enough is enough?
[00:58.460 --> 00:59.920]  Well, they're talking about tragedy.
[01:00.120 --> 01:00.340]  Huh.
[01:00.340 --> 01:01.840]  We're talking about comedy.
[01:02.020 --> 01:03.560]  Hmm, there's never enough of that.
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[02:00.780 --> 02:11.340]  The telephone keeps ringing So I ripped it off the wall I cut myself while shaving Now I can't make a call If
[02:17.100 --> 02:24.440]  I'm for the best, expect the worst I hope that's understood One did, one did, one did.
[03:43.880 --> 03:45.200]  And a good evening to everybody.
[03:47.340 --> 03:49.120]  It's time once again for Off the Hook.
[03:49.860 --> 03:50.140]  Off the Hook.
[03:51.500 --> 04:05.200]  The program that tells you, uh, how High technology does not necessarily go along with high intelligence And, uh, the various other Um, things that are going on in today's world Mike's with us tonight.
[04:05.380 --> 04:05.780]  How are you doing?
[04:06.260 --> 04:06.780]  I'm doing alright.
[04:06.980 --> 04:07.280]  How are you?
[04:07.700 --> 04:08.340]  I'm doing pretty good.
[04:08.460 --> 04:09.220]  Pretty good overall.
[04:09.780 --> 04:11.040]  Uh, just trying to cope, you know.
[04:11.860 --> 04:12.820]  Autojack, you're here?
[04:13.260 --> 04:13.520]  Yep.
[04:14.300 --> 04:14.720]  How are you?
[04:15.020 --> 04:15.420]  I'm okay.
[04:15.420 --> 04:17.400]  Yeah, we, uh, had a bit of an adventure yesterday.
[04:17.400 --> 04:19.640]  We went out to, uh, to see the lights.
[04:20.400 --> 04:22.640]  The, the lights of Manhattan that have been lit.
[04:23.120 --> 04:24.340]  For those that don't know...
[04:24.340 --> 04:25.140]  Towers of light.
[04:25.300 --> 04:27.300]  The towers of light were, uh, lit last night.
[04:27.460 --> 04:29.260]  This is, uh, to commemorate the World Trade Center.
[04:30.080 --> 04:33.280]  Uh, and they're, they're a bunch of, um, Spotlights.
[04:33.660 --> 04:36.200]  I guess made to look kind of like the World Trade Center.
[04:36.860 --> 04:40.640]  Um, except much, much taller and made out of light.
[04:40.920 --> 04:42.960]  I don't, I don't, I don't think you like the lights.
[04:43.540 --> 04:48.520]  Well, you know, it's, um, I just went through a lot of trouble to try and see them, you know.
[04:48.600 --> 04:53.440]  And just, uh, kind of, uh, um, got to be more stressful than it was worth, you know.
[04:53.600 --> 05:09.660]  Because, uh, we went over to Staten Island, um, thinking that by doing so, by believing what was in the daily news, which was a big mistake and always is, uh, that the things would be turned on at 6.30, so we figured we'd get the, the, the ferry that came over and would be in the middle of the water by 6.30.
[05:09.720 --> 05:15.980]  But, of course, they didn't come on until 6.55, which meant that when they came on, we were underneath the buildings and were completely blocked.
[05:16.820 --> 05:19.000]  So, um, yeah, there was that, there was that.
[05:19.060 --> 05:21.220]  And then today, driving in, I couldn't see them at all.
[05:21.300 --> 05:21.980]  It was all foggy.
[05:23.940 --> 05:25.620]  We were able to see them in New Jersey, though.
[05:25.760 --> 05:26.320]  Oh, yeah, yeah.
[05:26.400 --> 05:30.360]  We saw a beam of light in the, uh, you know, on top of the sky.
[05:30.360 --> 05:32.220]  I mean, I'm not talking about, like, New Jersey just across the river.
[05:32.220 --> 05:35.700]  I'm talking about New Jersey, like, you know, 30 miles in when we went to visit my mother.
[05:35.920 --> 05:36.060]  Yeah.
[05:37.140 --> 05:41.240]  So, um, that's basically what we're, uh, what we're dealing with here.
[05:41.920 --> 05:43.800]  Uh, yeah, lights in the sky.
[05:44.020 --> 05:44.800]  It's kind of, kind of cool.
[05:45.100 --> 05:51.500]  Uh, but I mentioned we went over to Staten Island, and, uh, actually, we're going to bring in Jim from the subway here, uh, the Transit Authority.
[05:51.960 --> 05:53.620]  Possibly formerly from the Transit Authority.
[05:53.740 --> 05:54.220]  We don't know yet.
[05:54.360 --> 05:57.680]  Right now, not currently with them, and, uh, at, at, at odds legally.
[05:58.140 --> 06:02.120]  We'll be following that case, but, uh, um, AutoJack and I had an interesting experience.
[06:02.220 --> 06:05.240]  Um, well, I hope I know the answer to the question coming.
[06:05.440 --> 06:11.220]  Did you ever, did you ever ride on, uh, on a system known as SIR, Staten Island Rapid Transit?
[06:11.620 --> 06:16.020]  Yeah, I actually rode it when it was SIRTELA, Staten Island Rapid Transit Operating Authority.
[06:16.100 --> 06:17.600]  Maybe you can answer a couple of questions then.
[06:17.780 --> 06:19.220]  Uh, I'm just going to spend a couple of minutes on this.
[06:19.240 --> 06:21.520]  Wait, wait, I saw a sign that said SIRTELA on it down there.
[06:21.680 --> 06:24.140]  Yeah, they have, they have some signs that still say that, I guess.
[06:24.140 --> 06:30.480]  Uh, but it's called SIR, SIR, SIR, I guess the SIRTrain is what it's called, Staten Island Rapid Transit or Staten Island.
[06:30.540 --> 06:34.420]  I don't know exactly why they do this, but when I went over there, I didn't know what to expect.
[06:34.540 --> 06:37.520]  I thought it would be more like, uh, you know, um, Metro North or something like that.
[06:37.580 --> 06:39.280]  But it's exactly like the New York City subway.
[06:39.560 --> 06:41.620]  In fact, they're regular subway cars.
[06:41.840 --> 06:42.260]  Yes, they are.
[06:42.340 --> 06:43.920]  I think a lot of people in New York don't know this.
[06:44.160 --> 06:44.280]  Mm-hmm.
[06:44.460 --> 06:45.500]  Four cars in length.
[06:45.880 --> 06:45.980]  Right.
[06:46.040 --> 06:48.260]  And they basically go, it's one line.
[06:48.680 --> 06:48.760]  Right.
[06:48.760 --> 06:49.760]  You know, this goes up and down.
[06:50.140 --> 06:53.300]  Up and down the, uh, the, uh, east coast of Staten Island.
[06:53.300 --> 06:55.220]  But here's the thing, MetroCards work down there.
[06:55.400 --> 06:55.960]  I didn't know this.
[06:56.080 --> 06:56.320]  Yes, they do.
[06:56.340 --> 07:00.380]  MetroCards work, but, uh, the weird thing is, they only work at one station.
[07:00.680 --> 07:00.740]  Yes.
[07:00.740 --> 07:02.240]  And you have to use them.
[07:02.320 --> 07:03.360]  This is the first time I've ever seen this.
[07:03.360 --> 07:05.040]  You have to use them to get out of the system.
[07:05.360 --> 07:05.600]  Okay.
[07:06.080 --> 07:15.000]  It used to be that they would put a conductor on the train who acted much like a Metro North or, uh, Long Island Railroad or any commuter rail conductor who would punch your ticket.
[07:15.360 --> 07:22.900]  Actually, what they did was they would take your token and pass it through a handheld device if they didn't take cash.
[07:24.440 --> 07:35.600]  And, uh, they eliminated that because since 95% of the passengers don't go station to station, they go to the Staten Island Ferry Terminal, downtown Staten Island.
[07:36.620 --> 07:41.840]  They figured, well, life could be a lot easier if we just charged people to get on there or off there.
[07:41.840 --> 07:42.320]  Mm-hmm.
[07:42.720 --> 07:43.520]  So they do that.
[07:43.680 --> 07:52.220]  You can ride free and walk, uh, 10 blocks to get to the Staten Island Ferry Terminal or walk 10 blocks from the Ferry Terminal to get on at a free station.
[07:53.280 --> 07:55.480]  But, uh, that's the way they do it.
[07:55.620 --> 07:55.760]  Yeah.
[07:55.880 --> 07:58.100]  I was just surprised that the MetroCore system worked down there.
[07:58.180 --> 07:58.840]  But I also was...
[07:59.400 --> 08:04.020]  I mean, it's not really an exit fare because, uh, you're getting on for free.
[08:04.600 --> 08:05.980]  Wherever it is you happen to get on.
[08:06.360 --> 08:09.720]  Uh, but it's just kind of weird to pay as you're getting off.
[08:09.900 --> 08:12.800]  That's the only place in New York I've ever seen that, uh, that happen.
[08:12.920 --> 08:14.740]  Well, they used to have that in the Rockaways.
[08:14.980 --> 08:18.420]  They took over from, uh, I don't know who they took over.
[08:18.520 --> 08:19.680]  I'm not sure it was Long Island Railroad.
[08:19.820 --> 08:21.580]  In the 50s, the Rockaway line.
[08:22.260 --> 08:22.400]  Yeah.
[08:22.440 --> 08:30.820]  And, uh, it used to be that if you were at Broad Channel or, or points, uh, points south, you had to pay to get out.
[08:31.040 --> 08:32.040]  It was a two-fair zone.
[08:32.220 --> 08:32.540]  Interesting.
[08:32.820 --> 08:32.960]  Yeah.
[08:33.260 --> 08:34.040]  Oh, the history there.
[08:34.240 --> 08:39.500]  But you mentioned that, uh, the Staten Island, um, uh, Rapid Transit was initially another train system?
[08:39.800 --> 08:44.360]  Oh, actually, that too was, uh, was another train system, uh, until, I'm not sure when.
[08:45.000 --> 08:57.980]  Uh, everything is, uh, is mentioned in a number of books on the subways, including, uh, let me think of titles, uh, 722 Miles and, uh, Uptown, Downtown by Stan Fishler.
[08:57.980 --> 09:02.780]  Well, you see, the thing is, I'm wondering why they don't just link this to New York City subway system.
[09:02.880 --> 09:04.120]  It's the same kind of system.
[09:04.540 --> 09:07.140]  They could make it the number 8 train or something, you know?
[09:07.240 --> 09:09.280]  You, you get there by the Staten Island Ferry, which is free.
[09:09.720 --> 09:11.080]  You know, you just simply connect.
[09:11.260 --> 09:12.280]  It's, it's, it's another subway.
[09:12.380 --> 09:13.040]  It's already there.
[09:13.200 --> 09:19.420]  Well, in the 1920s, they started digging a tunnel from Bay Ridge across, uh, around 59th Street.
[09:19.780 --> 09:32.640]  And then about 10 years ago, the, uh, spur of the tunnel that left 59th Street in Brooklyn and started to turn to the right, uh, was filled up and made into offices for, I don't know, a track department, I presume.
[09:33.320 --> 09:43.720]  Uh, but there's still a, a big, uh, hole in the ground covered with a cement cap, uh, in the, uh, low 60s near the, uh, the Owl's Head Water Treatment Plant there.
[09:44.360 --> 09:46.760]  And, uh, used to, it was broken at one point.
[09:46.760 --> 09:53.300]  I remember as a 14-year-old actually going down and walking for a few hundred yards, probably out under the water.
[09:54.040 --> 09:55.720]  And it just abruptly ends.
[09:56.000 --> 10:06.560]  Uh, there is a proposal by Senator Schumer, uh, one of the few good things in my opinion that he's done, but let's not discuss politics, to actually work on a combined, uh, rail and subway tunnel.
[10:06.700 --> 10:08.400]  Yeah, but my point is, it's already there.
[10:08.580 --> 10:09.440]  It's there right now.
[10:09.560 --> 10:12.420]  You could just put a big eight on the train and that's the, you know, part of the New York City subway.
[10:12.420 --> 10:13.640]  The train is there, but there is no tunnel.
[10:13.940 --> 10:14.800]  No, you don't need a tunnel.
[10:15.020 --> 10:17.440]  It's a, it's a train that you can connect to with the Staten Island Ferry.
[10:17.580 --> 10:18.080]  It's already there.
[10:18.320 --> 10:18.760]  You can now.
[10:18.920 --> 10:21.060]  Yeah, but why not make it part of the New York City subway system?
[10:21.200 --> 10:22.860]  With MetroCards, you can do the following.
[10:23.020 --> 10:30.880]  You can get on a Staten Island bus, get on the, uh, Staten Island Rapid Transit and get off and it won't cost you again.
[10:30.880 --> 10:31.780]  It's a transfer.
[10:32.100 --> 10:35.260]  Then take the ferry, which has been free for three or four years.
[10:35.700 --> 10:41.300]  Then when you get on, there are 10 or so stops in Lower Manhattan that you can get on and that transfer works again.
[10:41.300 --> 10:50.820]  So you can have two transfers if you start with a Staten Island bus or if you, uh, start in the subway and, uh, enter at, uh, the ferry terminal onto the Staten Island Rapid Transit.
[10:51.080 --> 10:51.220]  Right.
[10:51.340 --> 10:57.140]  But all of that has nothing to do with what I'm suggesting, which is to make the Staten Island train into part of the subway system.
[10:57.360 --> 10:58.920]  Make it, give it a number and everything.
[10:59.200 --> 11:00.880]  Uh, it uses subway cars.
[11:01.180 --> 11:01.420]  Mm-hmm.
[11:01.460 --> 11:02.220]  It uses subway cars.
[11:02.220 --> 11:06.020]  It doesn't need a number because it's, it's distinguishable as is.
[11:06.180 --> 11:06.300]  Well.
[11:06.500 --> 11:08.560]  And I believe it's a slightly different union.
[11:09.460 --> 11:10.580]  But I'm not sure of that.
[11:10.760 --> 11:10.860]  Okay.
[11:11.460 --> 11:12.520]  Well, that might be the reason.
[11:12.660 --> 11:12.820]  I don't know.
[11:12.820 --> 11:18.400]  That's why there's still a Manhattan and Bronx Surface Transit Operating Authority, which is not the same as, uh, New York City buses.
[11:18.780 --> 11:19.260]  Mm-hmm.
[11:19.640 --> 11:19.960]  Okay.
[11:20.020 --> 11:22.300]  Well, we've probably spent enough, enough time on this subject.
[11:22.580 --> 11:25.360]  Uh, but, uh, I just thought it was interesting because I'd never experienced that before.
[11:25.380 --> 11:29.100]  And here I've been in New York all my life and, uh, never actually played with that system.
[11:29.220 --> 11:34.180]  But, um, it's, you know, it's rather simple, rather small, but, uh, worthy of note nonetheless.
[11:36.020 --> 11:38.960]  Um, also worthy of note, we have all kinds of, uh, news items.
[11:39.080 --> 11:41.980]  We'll be taking phone calls and, um, various things like that.
[11:41.980 --> 11:44.600]  Uh, here's something interesting.
[11:46.620 --> 11:47.640]  This just happened.
[11:47.940 --> 11:48.360]  Uh, U.S.
[11:48.500 --> 12:00.540]  court has shut down a website, or actually a little bit more than a website, that capitalized on post-September 11th patriotic fervor to sell fake internet domain names with suffixes such as .usa and .brit.
[12:00.960 --> 12:03.200]  Uh, that's according to the Federal Trade Commission.
[12:03.200 --> 12:05.360]  Um, this happened yesterday.
[12:05.520 --> 12:07.040]  A variety of defendants based in the U.S.
[12:07.060 --> 12:16.800]  and the United Kingdom launched, launched, launched an aggressive, uh, junk email campaign that urged internet users to sign up for star-spangled addresses after the hijacking attacks of September 11th.
[12:17.160 --> 12:24.240]  Uh, the messages all linked to a website, uh, www.dotspelledusa.com.
[12:24.320 --> 12:27.940]  It's awfully hard to say this, but www.dotspelledusa.com.
[12:27.940 --> 12:37.680]  Uh, it urged users to reserve addresses such as www.surfingusa.usa, uh, that did not work, according to the FCC, FTC.
[12:38.540 --> 12:41.180]  Uh, these spam scammers conned consumers.
[12:41.540 --> 12:42.540]  Now, try saying that fast.
[12:42.780 --> 12:45.760]  These spam scammers conned consumers in two ways.
[12:45.760 --> 12:51.400]  They sent deceptive spam, and they sold worthless web addresses from their websites, said J.
[12:51.620 --> 12:55.160]  Howard Beals, head of the FTC's Consumer Protection Division, in a statement.
[12:55.680 --> 13:05.480]  Now, uh, what they, what they mean by that is that, um, the .usa top-level domain, um, it's not even an alternate, um, uh, name system.
[13:05.640 --> 13:13.440]  It's not even an alternate route, um, um, where basically you set your name, uh, your name service to be something else.
[13:13.700 --> 13:14.840]  There, there are many of those around.
[13:15.040 --> 13:18.380]  So, I, I think there even is a .usa that exists out there that works.
[13:18.540 --> 13:19.440]  These never worked.
[13:19.660 --> 13:22.260]  These are, these are domains that never were hooked up to anything.
[13:22.900 --> 13:26.860]  So, it was just basically, give us your money, and, and, uh, we'll take it.
[13:26.940 --> 13:28.900]  And that's, that's the whole, uh, extent of the scam.
[13:30.140 --> 13:31.360]  Kind of, kind of, kind of sleazy, huh?
[13:33.580 --> 13:38.780]  Um, so, uh, yeah, there's been, uh, some, uh, furor about this over the, um, over the internet.
[13:39.380 --> 13:50.600]  Um, here's a statement from a group known as, uh, AGN Domain Name Service, ADNS, uh, concerning this.
[13:50.600 --> 13:55.700]  ADNS is pleased to see that the operations of TLD networks have been halted by the FTC and British authorities.
[13:56.140 --> 14:02.420]  Uh, ADNS would like to point out the difference between r.usa and the one advertised on .usa.com.
[14:02.880 --> 14:20.600]  ADNS has always made it clear that r.usa is not listed in the ICANN-controlled root server network, and that any domains registered in r.usa would only be visible to those who used inclusive namespace servers, such as those operated by ORSC and pacificroot.com.
[14:21.280 --> 14:31.620]  TLD Networks is accused of deceptive advertising, sending out large amounts of unsolicited email, known as spam, uh, which led people to believe that their .usa domains would be universally visible.
[14:32.420 --> 14:42.360]  ADNS goes to great pains to inform users about the limited visibility of inclusive namespace domains, including a clear message right above the submit button on our web registration form.
[14:43.220 --> 14:45.800]  Um, so, uh, I guess that's the difference.
[14:46.140 --> 14:49.500]  You know, you can have all kinds of top-level domains, you know?
[14:49.580 --> 14:57.980]  They can basically say anything you want, but the only way people are going to be able to use them is if they agree to use your particular network.
[14:58.680 --> 15:00.960]  And, uh, you know, it's pretty much that simple.
[15:01.100 --> 15:12.060]  So what these guys are accused of doing is, um, deceiving people into thinking that, uh, it would work as is on the internet that everybody all knows and loves.
[15:12.840 --> 15:20.660]  Uh, also going on, we, we mentioned ICANN, uh, the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers, those wonderful people that, for some reason, are in charge.
[15:21.500 --> 15:35.160]  Uh, at one of the plushest hotels in one of the world's poorest countries, that should pretty much set the theme for what they're all about right now, uh, the internet's top policy-making body will meet this week to consider controversial plans to reorganize itself.
[15:35.980 --> 15:37.820]  And, uh, sounds really familiar, doesn't it?
[15:38.200 --> 15:39.720]  They're meeting in Ghana, right?
[15:39.940 --> 15:40.820]  They're meeting in Ghana, yes, that's right.
[15:40.820 --> 15:41.260]  Very good.
[15:42.120 --> 15:52.060]  Uh, in Ghana, the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers, known as ICANN, will vote on a simple issue, who should oversee a global computer network of 500 million users?
[15:53.060 --> 16:03.540]  Uh, debate centers on plans that would help boost revenue to support the activities of the Nonprofit Internet Governing Board, but would also decrease direct involvement by regular Internet users.
[16:03.840 --> 16:04.280]  Uh-oh.
[16:04.340 --> 16:05.220]  You know, the troublemakers.
[16:05.360 --> 16:07.100]  Why, why would we want any input at all?
[16:07.100 --> 16:14.840]  We have better things to do, you know, balance our tax, uh, payments or whatever to help pay for these things in the first place.
[16:15.260 --> 16:20.020]  Uh, the proposals have touched off a firestorm among ICANN board members, U.S.
[16:20.420 --> 16:23.020]  lawmakers, and countless cyberspace activists.
[16:23.440 --> 16:23.900]  Ooh-hoo.
[16:24.780 --> 16:25.460]  Sounds bad.
[16:25.820 --> 16:29.840]  Who say the plans will hand control of the Internet to commercial interests.
[16:29.840 --> 16:39.380]  Backers of the plans, which include the organization's president and its chairman, not convenient, say restructuring could lead to a smoother decision-making process.
[16:39.520 --> 16:42.720]  Of course, if, uh, everybody is bought and paid for.
[16:43.560 --> 16:43.700]  Um.
[16:45.640 --> 16:53.940]  With, uh, one proposal up for a formal vote and a more radical approach looming in the background, decisions made at the Ghana meeting could shape the Internet for years to come.
[16:53.940 --> 17:04.120]  Um, if, um, ICANN is at the crossroads, if we continue things as they are, it will fail, said Masanubu Kato, an ICANN board member who represents Asian users.
[17:06.920 --> 17:11.920]  ICANN has, uh, overseen several transformations of the Internet's domain name system since it was set up in 1998.
[17:12.140 --> 17:13.840]  That's right, they haven't been around very long.
[17:14.400 --> 17:15.180]  Um, and they were set up...
[17:15.180 --> 17:17.880]  ICANN was set up in 1998, not DNS.
[17:18.480 --> 17:19.200]  No, I just said that.
[17:19.340 --> 17:20.520]  Yeah, it's a bad sentence.
[17:20.520 --> 17:30.160]  Uh, ICANN has overseen several transformations of the Internet's domain name system since it was, yeah, you're right, since it was set up in 1998, meaning ICANN, uh, to take control from the U.S.
[17:30.300 --> 17:32.680]  government, which was set up quite a while back.
[17:33.420 --> 17:44.000]  Uh, users can now register domain names and suffixes, yes, tongue-tied tonight, such as .info and .biz as alternatives to the crowded .com domain.
[17:44.320 --> 17:53.860]  Uh, they can buy these names through a variety of domain name retailers in addition to VeriSign, and Inc., which, under the name Network Solutions, Inc., enjoyed a monopoly through most of the 1990s.
[17:54.200 --> 17:56.200]  But much work still remains to be done.
[17:56.320 --> 18:07.080]  ICANN has failed so far to win over the 245 country code operators who oversee popular national internet addresses like frances.fr or newzealands.nz.
[18:09.040 --> 18:12.480]  So, um, yeah, it's, it's, it's gonna be interesting.
[18:12.720 --> 18:16.740]  We'll be reporting on that as, um, as things progress, I guess.
[18:17.400 --> 18:25.800]  Um, now there's, um, there's something else, which, uh, is kind of a dramatic development this week, and that's the, uh, the new terror threat warning system.
[18:25.880 --> 18:26.440]  You heard about this?
[18:27.320 --> 18:27.720]  No.
[18:27.720 --> 18:29.380]  It's, it's a unique system.
[18:29.540 --> 18:31.420]  They spent lots of time, lots of money on this.
[18:31.860 --> 18:40.940]  Uh, but basically the, uh, and, you know, we, we were, we were doubting, we were doubting what, what this, um, about the whole, uh, Homeland Security, uh, business, what that was all about.
[18:41.420 --> 18:43.640]  Uh, well, finally, they're, they're, they're coming through.
[18:44.140 --> 18:50.300]  They're coming through, and, uh, um, we can see exactly what it is, uh, they stand for.
[18:51.040 --> 19:04.580]  The Homeland Security Advisory System will provide a comprehensive and effective means to disseminate information regarding the risk of terrorist attacks to federal, state, and local authorities, and to the American people.
[19:05.240 --> 19:08.940]  Uh, basically what it means is, we have a color system now.
[19:09.260 --> 19:14.280]  A color system that, uh, will let you know what the state of, um, readiness is.
[19:15.120 --> 19:19.300]  All right, and the color, I'm authorized to tell you what the colors are, are at this point.
[19:19.520 --> 19:27.100]  They are in, in, in order of severity, starting with least severity, going to great severity.
[19:27.360 --> 19:33.920]  They are green, blue, yellow, and, you know what, they, they left it out on this one.
[19:34.000 --> 19:39.140]  If you go to the, uh, the webpage, they, they forgot the color, which is orange, and then red.
[19:39.560 --> 19:41.860]  Okay, well, uh, this is a joke, right?
[19:41.960 --> 19:42.720]  No, it's not a joke.
[19:43.300 --> 19:43.660]  Green.
[19:43.820 --> 19:45.680]  I'll, I'll thank you not to laugh at this.
[19:46.040 --> 19:46.400]  Green.
[19:46.400 --> 19:47.100]  It's not funny.
[19:47.760 --> 19:48.120]  Green.
[19:48.300 --> 19:55.440]  Now, green is low risk of terrorist attacks, uh, and if it's, uh, if we're in green condition, the following protective measures may be applied.
[19:55.680 --> 20:06.480]  Refining and exercising pre-planned protective measures, ensuring personnel receive training on H-A-H-S-A-S, um, which I'm not sure what it is, but I'm, I'll try to find out.
[20:06.680 --> 20:12.380]  Uh, departmental or agency-specific protective measures, and regularly assessing facilities for vulnerabilities and taking measures to reduce them.
[20:12.460 --> 20:14.440]  Basically, just find something to do and keep busy.
[20:14.660 --> 20:15.520]  Normal life.
[20:15.760 --> 20:20.320]  Uh, blue is guarded condition, uh, general risk of terrorist attack.
[20:20.500 --> 20:24.560]  Uh, in addition to the previously outlined protective measures, the following may be applied.
[20:24.740 --> 20:35.120]  Checking communications with designated emergency response or command locations, reviewing and updating emergency response procedures, and providing the public with necessary information.
[20:35.680 --> 20:40.060]  Uh, then there's yellow, which is elevated condition.
[20:40.520 --> 20:42.420]  Significant risk of terrorist attacks.
[20:42.440 --> 20:46.300]  In addition to the previously outlined protective measures, the following may be applied.
[20:46.460 --> 20:52.320]  Increasing surveillance of critical locations, uh, coordinating emergency plans with nearby jurisdictions.
[20:52.960 --> 20:58.000]  Assessing further refinement of protective measures within the context of the current threat information.
[20:58.500 --> 21:02.980]  And implementing as appropriate contingency and emergency response plans.
[21:03.600 --> 21:06.140]  Um, and then we have, uh, orange.
[21:07.160 --> 21:08.620]  Orange is high risk.
[21:08.840 --> 21:12.660]  Oh, no, there's, okay, basically the HTML on this is kind of, kind of messed up.
[21:12.840 --> 21:15.000]  I'll have to write to them and get them to fix this.
[21:15.160 --> 21:16.760]  It's not the only thing that's messed up.
[21:17.660 --> 21:17.940]  Oh, okay.
[21:18.060 --> 21:19.160]  Well, uh, get into that too, then.
[21:19.300 --> 21:20.960]  Uh, high risk of terrorist attacks.
[21:21.060 --> 21:25.860]  In addition to the previously outlined protective measures, the following may be applied under condition orange.
[21:26.460 --> 21:30.460]  Coordinating necessary security efforts with armed forces or law enforcement agencies.
[21:30.680 --> 21:33.840]  Taking additional precautions at public events, such as Groundhog Day.
[21:34.440 --> 21:37.980]  Uh, preparing to work at an alternate site or with a dispersed workforce.
[21:38.860 --> 21:40.140]  I'm always prepared to do that.
[21:40.340 --> 21:43.760]  Um, and, uh, restricting access to essential personnel only.
[21:44.240 --> 21:47.620]  And then finally, we have severe condition, which is condition red.
[21:48.060 --> 21:49.860]  Severe risk of terrorist attacks.
[21:49.860 --> 21:53.380]  In addition to the previously outlined protective measures, the following may be applied.
[21:53.580 --> 21:56.640]  Assigning emergency response personnel and pre-positioning.
[21:56.800 --> 21:58.460]  Specially trained teams.
[21:58.840 --> 22:02.160]  Monitoring, redirecting, or constraining transportation systems.
[22:02.640 --> 22:04.600]  Closing public and government facilities.
[22:04.940 --> 22:08.740]  And increasing or redirecting personnel to address critical emergency needs.
[22:09.300 --> 22:20.280]  You know, the, um, I'm a little bit confused here because, uh, I see this whole, um, um, description on, uh, on the website, which is basically part of the White House.
[22:21.060 --> 22:24.780]  Um, but the one thing they don't tell me is what condition we're in right now.
[22:24.900 --> 22:30.060]  And that's something that, uh, I think we need to, um, okay, hang on.
[22:30.220 --> 22:32.240]  Let's, let's just... Wait, you mean we're not in green?
[22:32.520 --> 22:34.360]  Uh, well, I'd like to think we're in green.
[22:34.480 --> 22:35.360]  I'd like to think we're in green.
[22:35.500 --> 22:37.880]  But let's, let's just make sure, okay, just for the sake of, uh,
[22:41.420 --> 22:46.320]  just, uh, for the sake of, um, clarity here, so we understand exactly where it is we're coming from.
[22:47.040 --> 22:48.840]  We don't want to give out false information.
[22:56.320 --> 22:57.160]  Does anybody have a pen?
[22:57.280 --> 22:57.480]  Here's one.
[22:57.620 --> 22:57.840]  Thank you.
[23:04.350 --> 23:05.030]  This is a problem.
[23:05.130 --> 23:06.030]  This is the White House I'm calling.
[23:08.070 --> 23:09.030]  Shouldn't they be picking up?
[23:10.290 --> 23:11.130]  It's the White House.
[23:11.330 --> 23:12.610]  Maybe it's condition red.
[23:13.030 --> 23:14.050]  Yeah, it might be condition red.
[23:14.090 --> 23:14.350]  You're right.
[23:16.630 --> 23:17.450]  The White House?
[23:17.550 --> 23:18.550]  Oh, uh, yes.
[23:18.630 --> 23:18.770]  Hi.
[23:18.850 --> 23:21.970]  I was wondering, do you have the phone number for the, uh, Department of Homeland Security?
[23:22.630 --> 23:23.570]  Uh, 202.
[23:23.730 --> 23:23.990]  Uh-huh.
[23:24.610 --> 23:24.970]  456.
[23:25.170 --> 23:25.510]  Uh-huh.
[23:25.610 --> 23:26.730]  5-1-2-1.
[23:26.910 --> 23:27.510]  5-1-2-1.
[23:27.570 --> 23:28.130]  Thank you so much.
[23:28.230 --> 23:28.610]  You're welcome.
[23:28.830 --> 23:28.930]  Bye-bye.
[23:29.690 --> 23:31.690]  White House operators are very nice and helpful.
[23:31.930 --> 23:32.550]  They always are.
[23:33.570 --> 23:36.310]  All right, let's, uh, give that number a call right now.
[23:41.200 --> 23:48.640]  I'm sorry, I guess I should have found out this information before, um, before we went on the air, but, you know, I was, I was just reading it quickly, and I noticed that that bit of information wasn't there.
[23:49.900 --> 23:56.040]  Hello, and thank you for calling the Office of Homeland Security 24-hour information line.
[23:56.040 --> 23:56.380]  This is serious.
[23:56.600 --> 23:56.880]  24 hours.
[23:56.880 --> 23:59.360]  To repeat this recording at any time, please press 6.
[23:59.360 --> 24:01.280]  Wait, how is it 24 hours of this recording?
[24:02.280 --> 24:05.640]  Please choose from the following five options.
[24:06.540 --> 24:07.660]  Speak a little faster.
[24:07.660 --> 24:13.680]  For a comment or suggestion to the Office of Homeland Security, please press 1.
[24:14.560 --> 24:18.200]  For mailing address, please press 2.
[24:19.020 --> 24:21.380]  For employment opportunities, please press 3.
[24:21.380 --> 24:23.760]  You know, this is a time of war here.
[24:24.440 --> 24:28.980]  For scheduling requests, please press 4.
[24:30.460 --> 24:37.480]  For information regarding opportunities to support Homeland Security locally, please press 5.
[24:37.680 --> 24:38.440]  How do we get a person?
[24:39.920 --> 24:41.020]  I think you should scream.
[24:41.140 --> 24:42.000]  You've got to be kidding me.
[24:42.040 --> 24:42.600]  I'm going to hit 0.
[24:42.880 --> 24:44.920]  You have selected an invalid option.
[24:45.480 --> 24:45.840]  Hello.
[24:46.440 --> 24:48.420]  Thank you for calling the Office of Homeland Security 24-hour information line.
[24:48.420 --> 24:49.460]  All right, all right, all right, look.
[24:50.260 --> 24:53.200]  There's got to be a way to find out what the current condition is.
[24:53.460 --> 24:54.980]  To repeat this recording at any time, please press 6.
[24:54.980 --> 24:56.680]  I mean, what's the terror threat?
[24:57.280 --> 24:58.100]  Well, yeah, Jim, what?
[24:58.100 --> 24:59.420]  Try number 1.
[24:59.540 --> 25:01.120]  It seems like it's...
[25:01.120 --> 25:02.240]  What was number 1 again?
[25:02.700 --> 25:02.880]  Wait, hang on.
[25:02.880 --> 25:04.880]  To forward a comment or suggestion...
[25:04.880 --> 25:07.020]  Comment or suggestion, you might get a live person.
[25:08.000 --> 25:08.800]  Please press...
[25:08.800 --> 25:09.920]  I'm going to get an answering machine.
[25:10.040 --> 25:10.480]  Try it.
[25:10.660 --> 25:11.220]  You'll hear...
[25:11.220 --> 25:11.700]  Please wait.
[25:12.280 --> 25:13.420]  I'm being transferred somewhere.
[25:14.020 --> 25:15.440]  If not, go back to the White House.
[25:15.460 --> 25:16.960]  Calling the White House comment line.
[25:17.040 --> 25:18.040]  This is the White House comment line.
[25:18.060 --> 25:19.180]  Office is now closed.
[25:19.840 --> 25:22.340]  Your comment is very important to the president.
[25:22.540 --> 25:23.740]  Try the operator at the White House.
[25:23.780 --> 25:24.600]  It's not very important to the president.
[25:24.700 --> 25:25.220]  He doesn't care.
[25:25.460 --> 25:26.260]  9 a.m.
[25:26.520 --> 25:27.600]  and 5 p.m.
[25:28.260 --> 25:28.980]  Eastern Time.
[25:29.100 --> 25:29.900]  I'm hitting the pound sign.
[25:30.100 --> 25:30.680]  Today's Friday.
[25:31.160 --> 25:31.580]  Thank you.
[25:31.700 --> 25:32.140]  That didn't do anything.
[25:33.280 --> 25:34.080]  Okay, all right.
[25:34.080 --> 25:35.260]  That's a big waste of time, wasn't it?
[25:35.380 --> 25:37.720]  Well, we have no idea what the terror threat situation is in this country.
[25:37.800 --> 25:38.200]  I'm sorry.
[25:38.720 --> 25:40.520]  Come back during business hours.
[25:40.540 --> 25:41.340]  We'll know more then.
[25:42.260 --> 25:44.200]  What kind of message does this send, huh?
[25:45.320 --> 25:49.880]  How do you think the system would have assessed this terror threat on September 10th?
[25:50.420 --> 25:51.180]  I don't know.
[25:51.400 --> 25:51.640]  I don't know.
[25:54.340 --> 25:54.780]  Green.
[25:55.700 --> 26:01.040]  Okay, well, if anybody knows what the terror threat situation is, please let us know, because we definitely don't know here.
[26:02.260 --> 26:03.740]  Okay, what else do we have?
[26:03.860 --> 26:07.600]  We have something rather disturbing on a local level.
[26:08.800 --> 26:13.460]  I don't know if you guys have heard about this, but all of a sudden, the payphone rates have doubled.
[26:14.000 --> 26:15.080]  Did you know about this?
[26:15.620 --> 26:15.980]  Yeah.
[26:16.160 --> 26:17.120]  Without any hearings?
[26:17.360 --> 26:19.440]  Without any kind of publicity before?
[26:19.560 --> 26:23.900]  You know how we always had these, you know, public service commission hearings about rate increases?
[26:24.020 --> 26:28.840]  Well, this one apparently just leapfrogged over everybody, because I heard nothing about this.
[26:28.920 --> 26:31.080]  If anyone out there heard something about this, I'd like to know about it.
[26:31.220 --> 26:41.160]  But basically, according to today's Newsday, Verizon Communications is doubling the rate, doubling the rate on its payphones statewide to 50 cents.
[26:41.620 --> 26:42.340]  50 cents.
[26:42.480 --> 26:42.820]  Two quarters.
[26:43.000 --> 26:43.620]  Not just one.
[26:43.840 --> 26:43.960]  Two.
[26:44.700 --> 26:45.100]  Yeah.
[26:45.340 --> 26:47.300]  Because it used to cost 25 cents here in New York.
[26:47.460 --> 26:54.840]  It went up to 35 in some places, but because we had tariffs and things in place to protect the consumer, it stayed at 25 cents here.
[26:55.000 --> 27:00.200]  Still outrageous rate, if you ask me, considering people are able to make phone calls for, you know, a nickel or less a minute.
[27:02.140 --> 27:12.340]  But, yeah, they say that because they're raising it so much, that callers will be able to talk for an unlimited amount of time for 50 cents.
[27:12.880 --> 27:13.320]  Unlimited.
[27:13.460 --> 27:19.280]  Now, that's got to be open to all kinds of conditions and possibilities for abuse and things like that.
[27:20.620 --> 27:22.740]  Also, this article isn't entirely right.
[27:23.300 --> 27:25.900]  They say previously 25 cents paid for a three-minute call.
[27:26.060 --> 27:27.500]  Wasn't it five minutes or did they...
[27:27.500 --> 27:31.500]  They might have reduced it a few years ago to three minutes, but I know it was five minutes at one point.
[27:32.280 --> 27:40.680]  Anyway, Verizon will be making the change over the next several weeks as technicians collect coins or make repairs on its 110,000 payphones throughout the state.
[27:40.680 --> 27:50.420]  So, that basically means that there's some kind of a chase going on where the technicians are going out and converting the phones to 50-cent phones from 25-cent phones.
[27:50.720 --> 27:56.680]  And when they do that, the phones won't work with 25 cents anymore and then they'll suddenly be unlimited.
[27:56.740 --> 28:03.420]  I'm not sure exactly how they're going to do this because it seems to me that they have to communicate with the central office to tell it that this is now a 50-cent phone.
[28:03.960 --> 28:06.300]  So, they have to do all kinds of programming and things like that.
[28:07.160 --> 28:23.180]  So, also, if you have a payphone of your own, obviously you don't own it, but you might have a Verizon payphone in your facility which could be closed at certain hours or you might be able to guard against the Verizon man coming and converting your payphone,
[28:23.320 --> 28:32.500]  you could conceivably, with the aid of a shotgun or something, keep your Verizon payphone at 25 cents for a long time as long as you can keep the Verizon man away from it.
[28:33.000 --> 28:33.540]  You know?
[28:33.760 --> 28:34.220]  It's possible.
[28:34.360 --> 28:34.860]  There's a flaw.
[28:35.080 --> 28:35.700]  What's the flaw?
[28:36.300 --> 28:37.620]  What if it fills up with money?
[28:38.040 --> 28:39.560]  Well, you've got to make sure that doesn't happen.
[28:40.140 --> 28:40.900]  That is a flaw.
[28:41.020 --> 28:41.260]  You're right.
[28:42.400 --> 28:45.580]  I guess, basically, you know, moderation is the key.
[28:45.900 --> 28:47.280]  Don't go crazy with the payphone there.
[28:47.340 --> 28:48.900]  Just make a call every now and then.
[28:50.040 --> 28:51.260]  But that's not all, folks.
[28:51.320 --> 28:51.720]  That's not all.
[28:51.980 --> 29:00.840]  In addition, and this really gets me upset, callers will no longer get free directory assistance from payphones, but will instead have to pay 50 cents to look up a number.
[29:01.300 --> 29:02.800]  50 cents to look up a number.
[29:03.100 --> 29:03.420]  You know?
[29:03.600 --> 29:04.100]  I'm mad.
[29:04.240 --> 29:05.220]  To hell with these people.
[29:05.220 --> 29:05.800]  You know?
[29:06.340 --> 29:08.580]  Let's just not use their phones anymore.
[29:08.860 --> 29:09.500]  At all.
[29:09.660 --> 29:16.000]  I mean, if it costs more to look up someone's number than it does to make the phone call in the first place, then don't make the phone call.
[29:16.180 --> 29:16.460]  You know?
[29:16.780 --> 29:18.580]  Visit the person or write a letter or something.
[29:18.740 --> 29:20.540]  Or use some other service.
[29:21.300 --> 29:22.880]  I remember when information was free.
[29:23.140 --> 29:25.000]  I remember when international information was free.
[29:25.380 --> 29:25.960]  You know?
[29:26.020 --> 29:27.220]  Because it's information.
[29:27.460 --> 29:28.220]  It should be free.
[29:28.360 --> 29:28.500]  Right?
[29:28.980 --> 29:30.860]  Boy, has that ever changed.
[29:32.000 --> 29:34.900]  Listen to what Verizon has to say about this.
[29:34.960 --> 29:40.440]  Nobody likes to raise prices, but the reality is that we need to replace revenue lost to competing technologies.
[29:42.020 --> 29:45.840]  But quite a few payphone users were unhappy about the change.
[29:46.360 --> 29:51.500]  I think it's outrageous, said one person, who said the increase may prompt him to buy a cell phone.
[29:51.500 --> 29:53.480]  Oh, that's a dramatic step right there.
[29:55.060 --> 30:00.400]  Although Verizon is the largest payphone company in New York, at least 120 other companies provide similar services.
[30:01.120 --> 30:12.280]  Dennis Novick, president of TCC Teleplex, a Manhattan-based payphone operator, announced yesterday that this year his company would keep rates at its 1,500 payphones at 25 cents for three minutes.
[30:13.700 --> 30:14.800]  What is three minutes?
[30:15.460 --> 30:16.240]  That one, yeah.
[30:16.440 --> 30:19.580]  I suppose they did raise the rates a few years ago.
[30:19.580 --> 30:22.100]  After three minutes, they raised the rates to 50 cents?
[30:22.300 --> 30:25.840]  I'm not sure exactly how that system works, but every company's got a scam of some sort.
[30:26.200 --> 30:29.820]  But when you think about who's affected by this most, it's people who can't afford cell phones.
[30:29.980 --> 30:32.540]  You know, they have to pay more, you know, to make a local phone call.
[30:32.640 --> 30:39.860]  Now, it's, yeah, it's great that you can stay on as long as you want, but how many phone calls do you make to somebody that you want to stay on for eternity with?
[30:40.340 --> 30:41.620]  You know, I don't know of any.
[30:41.940 --> 30:41.960]  From a payphone.
[30:42.180 --> 30:43.740]  From a payphone, outside in a corner.
[30:43.760 --> 30:47.980]  You generally want to make the call as quick as possible because you don't really want to be standing out there too long.
[30:47.980 --> 30:53.620]  But with that in mind, Artojack, you've been selected as the person that we send outside right now.
[30:53.680 --> 30:54.260]  Oh, joy.
[30:54.420 --> 30:56.740]  To go downstairs to the payphone, which we don't know.
[30:56.800 --> 30:57.720]  We didn't look at this payphone.
[30:57.800 --> 30:59.660]  We made an attempt to avoid it, in fact.
[31:00.520 --> 31:03.620]  It's either a 25-cent payphone or it's a 50-cent payphone now.
[31:03.680 --> 31:13.740]  Now, if it's a 25-cent payphone, give us a call and basically we will get disconnected after three minutes and then you can come back up.
[31:13.800 --> 31:16.860]  But if it's a 50-cent payphone, then you'll have to stay on forever.
[31:17.140 --> 31:17.480]  So wait.
[31:17.600 --> 31:18.400]  Let me get this straight.
[31:18.660 --> 31:23.060]  You want me to go down the elevator, outside, walk down Wall Street, find the payphone.
[31:23.220 --> 31:23.340]  Right.
[31:23.640 --> 31:24.420]  Verizon payphone.
[31:24.800 --> 31:25.280]  A Verizon.
[31:25.420 --> 31:26.000]  It has to be...
[31:26.000 --> 31:26.900]  Well, it's on the corner.
[31:27.180 --> 31:27.480]  Yeah, okay.
[31:27.600 --> 31:29.280]  There's one two blocks away, I know, for sure.
[31:29.340 --> 31:31.480]  Well, there's one on the same block, so he doesn't have to go two blocks away.
[31:31.640 --> 31:31.820]  Oh, okay.
[31:31.820 --> 31:32.380]  Unless it's broken.
[31:32.520 --> 31:33.040]  So I go downstairs.
[31:34.160 --> 31:34.960]  I call you.
[31:35.140 --> 31:35.720]  Yeah, yeah.
[31:36.020 --> 31:36.280]  Just give us a call.
[31:36.280 --> 31:36.720]  And that's it.
[31:36.820 --> 31:37.360]  That's all you want.
[31:37.440 --> 31:37.560]  Yeah.
[31:37.640 --> 31:38.500]  I've always wanted to do this.
[31:38.580 --> 31:38.640]  Yeah.
[31:38.740 --> 31:41.660]  And everybody else, please hang up because we're not taking calls right away, you know?
[31:41.840 --> 31:41.960]  Okay.
[31:41.960 --> 31:42.720]  We'll take calls later.
[31:43.660 --> 31:45.200]  But we don't want to tie up the phone lines.
[31:45.300 --> 31:46.060]  We want him to be able to get through.
[31:46.060 --> 31:46.860]  So am I leaving now?
[31:47.220 --> 31:48.440]  I'm giving you 50 cents.
[31:49.060 --> 31:49.360]  Oh, okay.
[31:49.440 --> 31:49.640]  Thanks.
[31:49.760 --> 31:49.920]  All right.
[31:50.180 --> 31:52.980]  I thought this was on my dime or my two quarters.
[31:53.240 --> 31:54.160]  That phrase doesn't work anymore, does it?
[31:54.260 --> 31:54.380]  Yeah.
[31:54.700 --> 31:55.200]  No kidding.
[31:55.440 --> 31:55.640]  All right.
[31:55.640 --> 31:56.020]  I'll be back.
[31:56.220 --> 31:56.440]  All right.
[31:56.480 --> 32:01.460]  While you're away, I'm going to read some other interesting points, and then we'll take calls a little later on.
[32:01.620 --> 32:03.960]  But let's keep the lines open so he has no trouble getting through.
[32:04.060 --> 32:06.480]  We don't want him to be standing out there in the cold for too long.
[32:08.380 --> 32:08.740]  Okay.
[32:08.920 --> 32:09.360]  Let's see.
[32:11.120 --> 32:15.060]  How about some talk of the SSSCA?
[32:15.600 --> 32:16.900]  Mike, you've heard about this, haven't you?
[32:17.360 --> 32:18.820]  I rather wish I hadn't.
[32:19.080 --> 32:20.960]  Well, why don't you tell us what you know about it?
[32:21.400 --> 32:22.800]  I don't know a lot about it.
[32:22.880 --> 32:23.820]  It's bad, though, right?
[32:23.940 --> 32:24.220]  It's bad.
[32:24.360 --> 32:24.460]  Yeah.
[32:24.840 --> 32:25.960]  It's another one of these bad things.
[32:26.020 --> 32:37.760]  It's a bill pushed by the entertainment industry, which has been proposed in Congress by Senators Fritz Hollings and Ted Stevens, Democrat of South Carolina, Republican of Alaska.
[32:38.060 --> 32:43.780]  The acronym stands for Security Systems Standards and Certification Act.
[32:44.440 --> 32:57.980]  But the law would force all new personal computers and digital home entertainment devices sold in the United States to have government-approved policeware built in.
[32:58.140 --> 32:58.680]  Oh, no.
[32:58.940 --> 32:59.140]  Yeah.
[32:59.140 --> 33:01.140]  Well, it's for your own protection.
[33:02.880 --> 33:10.600]  This police will restrict your use of copyrighted material on these devices, including music files and CDs, video clips, DVDs, e-books, and more.
[33:10.600 --> 33:10.640]  However,
[33:13.800 --> 33:33.900]  if you're one of the millions of Americans who uses your computers to burn music CDs, listen to MP3s, share video files, et cetera, you'd face up to five years in federal prison and a $500,000 fine just for not doing it the way they tell you to do it.
[33:33.900 --> 33:45.460]  Um, since alternative operating systems like Linux and FreeBSD would most likely refuse to incorporate government policeware into their code, users of these open source systems would also be eligible for hard time.
[33:46.380 --> 33:55.160]  Uh, go to, um, the site stoppoliceware.org, uh, and you will, uh, be able to learn more about that.
[33:55.340 --> 34:07.920]  Also, Electronic Frontier Foundation, uh, has, um, has a site up as well, uh, oppose SSCA, uh, support Intel's bravery because Intel has come out against this.
[34:08.160 --> 34:12.760]  You know, they've actually made a public statement saying that the SSCA, uh, is not a good thing.
[34:12.760 --> 34:14.960]  Never mind that the citizens are against it.
[34:15.120 --> 34:17.080]  If Intel's against it, we have a chance.
[34:17.320 --> 34:20.280]  Well, sad to say that that might actually be the case.
[34:20.720 --> 34:25.540]  Um, so go to www.eff.org and, uh, learn more about that.
[34:26.360 --> 34:44.660]  You know, uh, I don't know how many people out there know anything about history, but the Samizdat movement in, uh, the Soviet Union, uh, artists and intellectuals used to literally type up with carbon paper their manuscripts and, uh, mimeograph their artwork and pass it along.
[34:45.380 --> 34:58.880]  There's a very short step between, uh, this policewear stuff and making you unable to copy files that you have yourself have generated and passing them to a friend.
[34:59.140 --> 34:59.360]  Mm-hmm.
[34:59.620 --> 34:59.800]  Yeah.
[34:59.960 --> 35:02.080]  It's a, it's a, it's a, it's a scary world we live in.
[35:02.180 --> 35:05.720]  That's just one of many things that, uh, that we have to worry about these days.
[35:06.500 --> 35:09.220]  Um, and there are all kinds of other things as well.
[35:09.560 --> 35:10.820]  Um, let's see.
[35:11.040 --> 35:14.140]  I have to, I have to cut some of these things because we're running out of, uh, out of time.
[35:15.180 --> 35:17.540]  Uh, let's, uh, let's listen to some letters.
[35:17.680 --> 35:18.900]  Actually, I think AutoJack's calling in now.
[35:19.640 --> 35:20.420]  Uh, AutoJack, is this you?
[35:21.900 --> 35:22.180]  Hello?
[35:22.400 --> 35:23.400]  Yes, AutoJack, is this you?
[35:23.580 --> 35:24.200]  Yes, this is me.
[35:24.340 --> 35:26.500]  Okay, what, uh, what kind of a pay phone are you calling from?
[35:26.600 --> 35:27.820]  This is not a Verizon pay phone.
[35:29.020 --> 35:31.160]  Well, if it's not a Verizon pay phone, you're...
[35:31.160 --> 35:33.300]  You sent me to a phone that is not a Verizon pay phone.
[35:33.500 --> 35:35.620]  Okay, well, then you're going to have to go to a Verizon pay phone.
[35:35.620 --> 35:40.300]  Auto Jack, if you had gotten out of the building, made a right, and walked two blocks...
[35:40.300 --> 35:40.720]  Two blocks?
[35:41.060 --> 35:41.320]  Yeah.
[35:41.520 --> 35:42.300]  They're very short.
[35:42.460 --> 35:43.160]  We're in lower Manhattan.
[35:43.400 --> 35:44.060]  Yeah, I know, I know.
[35:44.360 --> 35:47.820]  There's a Verizon payphone on a stanch, and there are two of them back-to-back.
[35:47.820 --> 35:53.420]  You're saying the payphone on the corner that looks like a regular payphone is not really a Verizon payphone?
[35:53.480 --> 35:54.620]  No, it's an ELEC.
[35:54.940 --> 35:57.240]  Okay, well, how much did this call cost?
[35:57.400 --> 35:58.040]  25 cents.
[35:58.200 --> 35:59.900]  And did it say how long you had to talk?
[36:00.060 --> 36:01.040]  It just said thank you.
[36:01.380 --> 36:02.500]  Oh, well, that was nice.
[36:02.500 --> 36:07.760]  Okay, well, I suggest you continue, then, and march over to the other one and make a phone call from there.
[36:08.000 --> 36:09.260]  All right, good luck.
[36:09.960 --> 36:18.560]  While he searches out for the true Verizon payphones, we'll continue with our letter reading.
[36:18.940 --> 36:19.960]  Except no imitations.
[36:20.640 --> 36:21.660]  Yeah, oh, boy.
[36:23.300 --> 36:24.860]  Okay, let's see, where do we begin?
[36:25.860 --> 36:27.660]  How about stupid email of the week?
[36:27.760 --> 36:28.780]  Yeah, I always like to begin with that.
[36:29.180 --> 36:29.700]  Ready for this one?
[36:30.400 --> 36:34.880]  To whom it may concern, I wish to just write to you regarding my email.
[36:35.020 --> 36:39.360]  I was disgusted to find this morning that someone, you, had been on my computer without my permission.
[36:39.940 --> 36:44.780]  I understand that you are a site for hackers, but as I am a regular member of the public, I would...
[36:45.460 --> 36:49.540]  These regular members of the public just really make me laugh sometimes.
[36:49.540 --> 37:00.080]  I would sincerely appreciate you not coming into machine, that's really what it says, and sending emails to my friends and business relations.
[37:00.720 --> 37:10.880]  If I do not have a written apology from you within the next seven days, I will be forced to see my solicitor and take further action as you have invaded my privacy and taken it upon yourself to cause me worry and tension.
[37:11.440 --> 37:13.480]  You are sincerely Rob Burrows.
[37:13.480 --> 37:18.700]  Well, Rob, I think the person causing your self-worry and tension can be found simply by looking in the mirror.
[37:19.740 --> 37:21.220]  We are not interested in your computer.
[37:21.360 --> 37:22.780]  We have not ever touched your computer.
[37:22.940 --> 37:25.400]  In fact, you sent mail to us unsolicited, I might add.
[37:26.000 --> 37:27.520]  But we'll let that go for now.
[37:27.520 --> 37:31.680]  You know, I don't know where people get ideas like this in the first place.
[37:31.740 --> 37:33.680]  I think they might see something.
[37:33.760 --> 37:41.320]  They might get a piece of email from somebody else saying, Oh, by the way, you just got hacked by 2600 and they believe it, you know, because somebody says that.
[37:41.520 --> 37:43.440]  It's really, really kind of silly.
[37:46.140 --> 37:46.960]  Let's see what else.
[37:47.420 --> 37:49.640]  You're off the hook and listening to shows back.
[37:49.640 --> 37:53.780]  I heard you talk about XP Media Player 8.0 and its identification of music CDs.
[37:54.560 --> 37:57.260]  You said it was interesting how it could be done with no serial numbers.
[37:57.380 --> 38:03.620]  Well, they simply use two pieces of information, the number of tracks and the total number of seconds on the disc.
[38:04.340 --> 38:07.300]  It's nearly impossible for two CDs to have the same in both of those.
[38:07.400 --> 38:08.180]  I guess that's true.
[38:08.360 --> 38:13.260]  But it seems to me like it would be very easy to have the same number of seconds in the same number of tracks.
[38:13.300 --> 38:13.720]  I don't know.
[38:13.720 --> 38:19.300]  It just seems like that's not that hard to, you know, to make unique.
[38:20.180 --> 38:21.240]  Anyway, that goes way back.
[38:21.340 --> 38:25.240]  In 1988, I bought a Sony CD player that allowed me to store a title of 12 characters.
[38:25.820 --> 38:27.520]  And, wait, do we have AutoJack again?
[38:28.100 --> 38:28.720]  No, you don't.
[38:29.600 --> 38:30.380]  AutoJack, is this you?
[38:30.540 --> 38:31.260]  Yes, this is me.
[38:31.500 --> 38:31.780]  Okay.
[38:32.040 --> 38:33.020]  Okay, here's what happened.
[38:33.180 --> 38:33.420]  All right.
[38:33.560 --> 38:34.800]  I went to the other phone.
[38:35.020 --> 38:35.280]  Yes.
[38:35.740 --> 38:37.040]  It's not a Verizon phone either.
[38:38.040 --> 38:39.700]  At least it doesn't say Verizon on it.
[38:40.340 --> 38:41.600]  But it is a Verizon phone.
[38:41.600 --> 38:42.520]  Are you...
[38:42.880 --> 38:43.820]  You really think so?
[38:44.060 --> 38:44.700]  I don't know.
[38:44.760 --> 38:45.320]  Does it say...
[38:45.320 --> 38:46.500]  It said AT&T on it.
[38:46.800 --> 38:48.080]  The phone said AT&T?
[38:48.220 --> 38:48.500]  Yes.
[38:48.600 --> 38:52.980]  So I went across the street to another phone thinking that it might have been a Verizon phone.
[38:53.060 --> 38:54.100]  And it's an AT&T phone too.
[38:54.240 --> 38:54.440]  All right.
[38:54.520 --> 38:57.260]  Well, you know, maybe this is just a neighborhood with no Verizon phones.
[38:57.320 --> 38:58.280]  I know where there is one.
[38:58.480 --> 38:58.780]  Okay.
[38:58.940 --> 39:00.540]  Well, why don't you tell AutoJack where there is one?
[39:00.720 --> 39:01.000]  Okay.
[39:01.260 --> 39:02.620]  AutoJack, are you on Wall?
[39:03.240 --> 39:04.280]  Yes, I'm on Wall Street.
[39:04.560 --> 39:04.880]  Okay.
[39:04.880 --> 39:08.060]  You've walked away from where we are, correct?
[39:08.060 --> 39:08.720]  Yes, two blocks.
[39:08.960 --> 39:09.340]  Two blocks.
[39:09.580 --> 39:10.020]  All right.
[39:10.020 --> 39:10.080]  All right.
[39:10.300 --> 39:12.000]  Are you on the north side of Wall?
[39:12.160 --> 39:15.600]  Which, if you were standing in the middle of Wall, would be your right side?
[39:16.520 --> 39:17.540]  If I were standing in the middle?
[39:17.900 --> 39:18.980]  Let's make this fast.
[39:19.380 --> 39:20.700]  You're standing in Wall Street.
[39:20.840 --> 39:22.760]  You can see the headlights of a car coming at you.
[39:22.860 --> 39:26.020]  Are you on the right-hand side or the left-hand side?
[39:26.160 --> 39:27.460]  There are sidewalks on your left and right.
[39:27.500 --> 39:27.900]  There are cars coming at me.
[39:28.760 --> 39:30.640]  If you were standing in the middle of Wall Street.
[39:30.660 --> 39:31.400]  Tell me where the phone is.
[39:31.880 --> 39:32.120]  All right.
[39:32.200 --> 39:43.260]  If you had come out of our building, made a right-hand turn, walked up Wall Street, all right, you'll pass on a corner like three short blocks, maybe two short blocks.
[39:43.580 --> 39:45.380]  I think it's the third phone you hit.
[39:45.640 --> 39:48.600]  It's not one of these that's like a booth without doors.
[39:48.600 --> 39:50.540]  It's one that's just on a stanchion.
[39:50.540 --> 39:52.180]  Except there are two of them, back-to-back.
[39:52.440 --> 39:53.580]  They're not next to each other.
[39:53.700 --> 39:54.740]  They are back-to-back.
[39:55.160 --> 39:55.360]  Okay.
[39:56.300 --> 39:56.600]  All right.
[39:56.740 --> 39:57.120]  Keep going.
[39:57.360 --> 39:57.640]  All right.
[39:57.700 --> 39:58.200]  I will continue.
[39:58.420 --> 39:58.820]  All right.
[39:59.000 --> 39:59.420]  Thank you very much.
[39:59.560 --> 39:59.720]  Good luck.
[39:59.820 --> 40:00.800]  I hope he doesn't run out of quarters.
[40:02.760 --> 40:03.120]  Unbelievable.
[40:04.480 --> 40:07.380]  This is just proof that we didn't research this beforehand.
[40:07.380 --> 40:10.680]  We wanted it to be nice and fresh and new and that kind of thing.
[40:10.940 --> 40:12.080]  Fortunately, we have lots of letters.
[40:12.680 --> 40:19.940]  And again, folks, please stop calling in because it's making it very difficult for us to isolate AutoJack if 50 people are calling in.
[40:19.940 --> 40:24.800]  And we just won't wind up taking any calls then, which wouldn't serve anybody.
[40:24.940 --> 40:31.660]  Anyway, this person bought a Sony CD player that allowed them to store a 12-character title.
[40:31.920 --> 40:36.200]  And the player would pull that out of its ass whenever a disc that...
[40:36.200 --> 40:38.940]  Well, I guess it's a literal thing there for the CD player.
[40:39.720 --> 40:49.520]  Whenever a disc that matched that criteria was inserted, I wonder if we could get a known store-bought disc and then make another disc that matched it.
[40:49.520 --> 40:51.720]  Number of tracks in seconds, would it read it off their site?
[40:51.840 --> 40:55.320]  Now, that's the kind of experiment that we need to be doing.
[40:56.060 --> 40:56.380]  Yeah.
[40:56.760 --> 41:02.100]  I had a lot of feedback for the BBC World News theme that we played last week.
[41:03.220 --> 41:04.740]  People asking for MP3s of it.
[41:04.800 --> 41:06.500]  Well, we don't have MP3s of it.
[41:06.500 --> 41:12.440]  We're not going to give away MP3s of it because, you know, despite how nice it sounds, we don't want to do that.
[41:13.300 --> 41:20.700]  But if you go to the BBC World site, I'm sure you can have maybe a sample of it or at least they'll tell you how to get it.
[41:20.860 --> 41:23.080]  You know, one of those would be nice.
[41:24.480 --> 41:24.960]  Let's see.
[41:25.040 --> 41:31.800]  We also have an address for people that are interested in listening to or seeing BBC World because we're raving about it.
[41:31.860 --> 41:38.040]  This is the all-news station that nobody in the United States can get unless they have a Canadian satellite system.
[41:40.120 --> 41:41.280]  Basically, if you go to...
[41:41.280 --> 41:42.660]  I'm going to thank a reader for this one.
[41:42.800 --> 41:44.300]  Actually, I think AutoJack might be calling in now.
[41:44.700 --> 41:45.540]  AutoJack, is this you?
[41:46.420 --> 41:47.800]  Oh, that must be a Verizon phone.
[41:47.820 --> 41:49.520]  Well, can you tell that this is a Verizon phone?
[41:49.520 --> 41:51.280]  This is definitely a Verizon phone, yes.
[41:52.320 --> 41:53.300]  All right, I've done it.
[41:53.400 --> 41:53.840]  All right.
[41:54.260 --> 41:55.320]  What kind of a phone?
[41:55.380 --> 41:56.620]  How much did you have to put in to make this phone?
[41:56.740 --> 41:57.600]  I had to put in 25 cents.
[41:57.780 --> 41:59.300]  Okay, so this is one of the old ones.
[41:59.700 --> 42:01.160]  Yeah, it looks pretty old, actually.
[42:01.340 --> 42:03.360]  Did it say that you only had three minutes?
[42:04.660 --> 42:07.040]  No, it just said thank you for using a Verizon pay phone.
[42:07.240 --> 42:11.520]  Okay, well, in that case, we're going to start the timer.
[42:11.880 --> 42:12.180]  What?
[42:12.340 --> 42:13.240]  I can hardly hear you.
[42:13.320 --> 42:14.400]  We're going to start the timer.
[42:14.440 --> 42:15.680]  In fact, I've already started the timer.
[42:15.740 --> 42:16.080]  Oh, okay.
[42:16.360 --> 42:20.840]  And in three minutes, hopefully, you will be interrupted and forced off this horrible-sounding phone.
[42:21.080 --> 42:21.820]  And you can come back.
[42:21.980 --> 42:22.800]  Yeah, and then you can come back.
[42:23.240 --> 42:24.220]  Yeah, it is kind of cold out here.
[42:24.280 --> 42:26.220]  Had to travel across town to find a Verizon pay phone.
[42:26.280 --> 42:28.580]  I wonder why there are so few Verizon pay phones around here.
[42:29.180 --> 42:30.380]  Can't figure that one out.
[42:31.160 --> 42:35.140]  Anyway, we're reading mail and telling people how to get BBC World over the Internet.
[42:36.340 --> 42:37.680]  Oh, now that doesn't make sense.
[42:39.920 --> 42:40.540]  AutoJackie, are you there?
[42:40.720 --> 42:41.380]  Yeah, I'm still here.
[42:41.560 --> 42:42.440]  Why is it doing that?
[42:42.600 --> 42:43.340]  I have no idea.
[42:43.580 --> 42:44.520]  That doesn't even make sense.
[42:44.920 --> 42:47.920]  You know, you must have crosstalk on your phone somehow.
[42:49.400 --> 42:49.500]  Maybe.
[42:49.920 --> 42:50.640]  That's unbelievable.
[42:51.120 --> 42:52.040]  This is not coming from us.
[42:52.140 --> 42:52.960]  This is coming from the pay phone.
[42:53.580 --> 42:54.480]  What do you want me to do?
[42:55.180 --> 42:55.900]  Stay put.
[42:56.120 --> 42:57.780]  You know, we're going to see this thing through to the end.
[42:58.460 --> 42:58.820]  Okay.
[42:59.080 --> 43:01.960]  So you probably will get cut off, though, in another two minutes.
[43:01.980 --> 43:03.380]  Or you'll get a warning of some sort.
[43:04.020 --> 43:04.860]  How does that work, though?
[43:04.880 --> 43:06.600]  Usually there's a recording that plays.
[43:07.060 --> 43:07.360]  Yeah.
[43:07.440 --> 43:09.100]  It says, excuse me, or something like that.
[43:09.180 --> 43:10.880]  Please deposit more money.
[43:11.180 --> 43:12.160]  And this is the thing.
[43:12.160 --> 43:15.360]  It doesn't know the difference between a nickel and a quarter, or claims not to.
[43:15.360 --> 43:17.560]  So if you put in a quarter, you only get credit for a nickel.
[43:18.040 --> 43:20.380]  It's the biggest scam they ever ran.
[43:20.520 --> 43:21.360]  Or one of the biggest ones.
[43:22.080 --> 43:22.400]  Oh.
[43:22.700 --> 43:23.460]  Sounds like...
[43:23.460 --> 43:24.260]  You still there, AutoJack?
[43:24.480 --> 43:25.040]  Yeah, I'm still here.
[43:25.080 --> 43:25.260]  Okay.
[43:25.320 --> 43:26.180]  Well, that one timed out.
[43:27.420 --> 43:30.700]  But maybe somebody else will pick up the phone and make a phone call.
[43:30.800 --> 43:32.300]  We can actually hear what they say.
[43:33.380 --> 43:34.280]  Just like the old days.
[43:34.280 --> 43:36.480]  Anyway, let's give out this address.
[43:37.140 --> 44:02.320]  HTTP colon slash slash iDirector, I-D-I-R-E-C-T-O-R dot media dot iBeam dot com slash netshow slash V as in Victor 2 slash on air slash BBC slash BBC world underscore 300k dot ASX or 100k dot ASX, depending on how fast a connection you have.
[44:02.320 --> 44:06.160]  And then you can see BBC world right there on your computer.
[44:06.680 --> 44:07.860]  That's pretty cool, actually.
[44:09.300 --> 44:11.720]  AutoJack, I estimate you have about another minute or so.
[44:11.980 --> 44:12.280]  Say what?
[44:12.560 --> 44:14.680]  I estimate you have about another minute before...
[44:14.680 --> 44:15.180]  Another minute?
[44:15.340 --> 44:16.120]  Yeah, assuming...
[44:16.120 --> 44:17.160]  Okay, do you mind if I smoke?
[44:18.020 --> 44:20.120]  Well, you know, I don't care if you burn, actually.
[44:20.400 --> 44:21.020]  Okay, thanks.
[44:21.200 --> 44:21.340]  Yeah.
[44:22.180 --> 44:24.520]  No, actually, just stay on the phone line.
[44:24.760 --> 44:26.480]  It doesn't matter what you do when you're on the phone line.
[44:26.520 --> 44:26.660]  Right.
[44:26.940 --> 44:35.320]  And anybody who wants to see this dramatic demonstration of Verizon payphones, let's just come down to the Wall Street area and you can see this live.
[44:36.740 --> 44:37.740]  What else do we have here?
[44:39.000 --> 44:40.880]  Boy, there's just so much going on.
[44:41.980 --> 44:43.740]  Our phone number, by the way, we will take phone calls.
[44:43.800 --> 44:46.560]  212-209-2900 is our phone number.
[44:46.720 --> 44:50.960]  So feel free to pile in now since we have this line here.
[44:53.040 --> 44:54.880]  This person is addicted to Off the Hook now.
[44:55.300 --> 45:01.360]  I'm in the process of downloading every episode now, which you can do on www.2600.com slash Off the Hook.
[45:01.980 --> 45:06.100]  And it's interesting to hear how phones sounded different only 10 years ago.
[45:06.240 --> 45:07.380]  Five years ago, they sounded different.
[45:07.840 --> 45:09.860]  It's interesting to see how things have changed.
[45:09.940 --> 45:16.580]  How New York Telephone turned into 9X, turned into Bell Atlantic, and now we have this monster called Verizon, doubling the phone rates.
[45:17.720 --> 45:21.860]  You mentioned the National Guard giving untrained people guns and telling them to guard something.
[45:21.960 --> 45:22.580]  That's so true.
[45:22.660 --> 45:28.240]  When a person joins up, it could be up to a year before they receive formal training on the weapons and the laws regarding those weapons.
[45:28.420 --> 45:29.940]  They give them the weapons first, then they train them.
[45:30.340 --> 45:35.620]  It's sad when the government lays such a huge responsibility as protecting the general public on the shoulders of untrained personnel.
[45:36.240 --> 45:42.960]  It's really just another example of how the government lies to us and tells us something is done for our protection when, in reality, it has no actual value.
[45:43.160 --> 45:45.680]  That comes from Taz of Shippensburg, Pennsylvania.
[45:46.660 --> 45:47.780]  Thanks for your letter.
[45:49.500 --> 45:50.480]  Autojack, you're still there.
[45:50.740 --> 45:51.360]  Yeah, I'm still here.
[45:51.460 --> 45:52.040]  I wonder why.
[45:52.800 --> 45:53.700]  You know, maybe...
[45:53.700 --> 45:54.480]  Okay, here's my theory.
[45:54.660 --> 46:00.100]  Maybe they converted all the phones to unlimited time.
[46:00.280 --> 46:02.300]  I think we should wait until it's been five minutes.
[46:02.460 --> 46:03.540]  Yeah, at least.
[46:03.800 --> 46:04.000]  At least.
[46:05.200 --> 46:08.420]  Did you hear your quarter go into the phone?
[46:08.420 --> 46:11.260]  Did it, you know, go through and hit all the other quarters?
[46:12.060 --> 46:14.100]  Yeah, it sounded pretty normal, actually.
[46:14.400 --> 46:16.360]  All right, well, it does that after a period of time, usually.
[46:17.280 --> 46:17.920]  What do you mean?
[46:17.960 --> 46:20.320]  Oh, you mean, like, when it, like, actually accepts my quarter?
[46:20.480 --> 46:20.680]  Yeah.
[46:20.880 --> 46:22.020]  No, it hasn't done that yet, I don't think.
[46:22.020 --> 46:22.700]  Okay, all right.
[46:22.760 --> 46:23.440]  Well, that's...
[46:23.440 --> 46:24.980]  Let me know if that actually happens.
[46:25.340 --> 46:25.620]  Okay.
[46:27.420 --> 46:27.740]  Okay.
[46:28.180 --> 46:29.420]  I'll just continue to stand here.
[46:29.680 --> 46:30.180]  Yeah, yeah.
[46:30.920 --> 46:32.160]  Let's see what else we have here.
[46:34.020 --> 46:34.920]  Here's something interesting.
[46:35.040 --> 46:38.660]  Since Off the Hook often deals with telephone manners, I thought I'd share my story with you.
[46:38.860 --> 46:43.640]  It may serve as a warning to potential victims, and if anyone can suggest a course of action, I'm interested.
[46:44.080 --> 46:47.560]  I've already taken steps, but many heads are better than none, or something like that.
[46:48.400 --> 46:56.160]  Under their prepaid plan, VoiceStream gives you an expiration date by which the service must be used or the money is forfeited.
[46:56.320 --> 47:01.240]  Rather high-handed and lucrative practice in itself, but not atypical at all.
[47:01.760 --> 47:08.080]  However, they give you the option of buying a second prepaid card and activating it on or before the expiration date.
[47:08.200 --> 47:10.100]  This extends the deadline by two or four weeks.
[47:10.580 --> 47:15.460]  I was told specifically I could activate the second card on the date my balance was due to expire.
[47:15.660 --> 47:21.840]  What they don't tell you is that for VoiceStream, the day ends one minute after it begins.
[47:22.740 --> 47:24.780]  Yes, 1201 a.m.
[47:24.780 --> 47:30.320]  When I activated my card in the morning, my balance of $285 had gone into VoiceStream's pocket.
[47:30.600 --> 47:34.940]  Their response can be summed up as, too bad, keep it in mind in the future.
[47:35.440 --> 47:37.760]  That is something they get away with.
[47:37.960 --> 47:41.500]  That, you have to, like, complain to the consumer agencies for that one.
[47:41.880 --> 47:42.320]  Absolutely.
[47:42.620 --> 47:42.940]  Definitely.
[47:43.340 --> 47:45.000]  Or send it into a radio talk show, too.
[47:45.160 --> 47:46.340]  Or have it set over the air.
[47:46.460 --> 47:47.080]  More than us.
[47:47.300 --> 47:50.540]  Try any local station in New York if you're in New York.
[47:50.680 --> 47:52.260]  I mean, that is really outrageous.
[47:52.980 --> 47:53.420]  Absolutely.
[47:53.420 --> 47:55.220]  Well, you know, we are a local station in New York.
[47:55.360 --> 47:56.980]  No, I mean like a television station.
[47:57.000 --> 47:59.660]  This is something that should be blasted all over the airwaves.
[47:59.680 --> 48:03.680]  Yeah, but we know that the phone company is listening to this show, so now they know we're on to them.
[48:04.260 --> 48:06.100]  They've known we were on to them for years.
[48:06.220 --> 48:09.320]  Yeah, but now they know we're specifically on to that scam, so maybe that scam...
[48:09.320 --> 48:11.700]  Have they changed many scams because of us?
[48:11.720 --> 48:13.460]  Yeah, they've modified them, and they've...
[48:13.460 --> 48:14.260]  Oh, wonderful.
[48:14.660 --> 48:15.260]  They've made them better.
[48:15.640 --> 48:15.900]  Wonderful.
[48:16.040 --> 48:17.640]  Now there'll be a five-minute window for that.
[48:17.780 --> 48:18.840]  Here's an interesting letter.
[48:19.220 --> 48:19.960]  Orderjack, you still there?
[48:20.040 --> 48:20.720]  No warnings or anything?
[48:20.860 --> 48:21.380]  Yeah, I'm still here.
[48:21.420 --> 48:21.740]  No warnings.
[48:21.900 --> 48:22.820]  Okay, well, I'm sorry.
[48:22.820 --> 48:24.120]  You're going to have to stay outside.
[48:25.100 --> 48:25.740]  I'm all right.
[48:25.900 --> 48:26.220]  All right.
[48:26.480 --> 48:32.840]  The only thing I don't like is the fact that we're getting this loud hum, but I guess that sort of is a testament to the quality of Verizon.
[48:33.600 --> 48:35.380]  Makes it easy for us to tell when he's off.
[48:35.540 --> 48:36.180]  Yeah, that's true.
[48:37.060 --> 48:37.580]  Here's a letter.
[48:37.640 --> 48:41.640]  What is this Starbucks or Starbox thing you guys keep referring to on Off the Hook?
[48:41.700 --> 48:44.440]  I'm from Australia, so I have no idea what you're talking about.
[48:45.700 --> 48:51.320]  Please quickly explain what you are saying and what it is so I can make some sense of the conversation related to this thing.
[48:52.260 --> 48:53.440]  Well, it's a thing, all right.
[48:53.440 --> 48:54.480]  It's a horrible thing.
[48:54.640 --> 48:55.020]  It's something that...
[48:55.020 --> 48:55.600]  It's more than a thing.
[48:55.720 --> 48:56.940]  Yeah, we don't understand it ourselves.
[48:57.120 --> 48:57.220]  It's a force.
[48:57.800 --> 48:59.540]  It's a really strong force.
[48:59.800 --> 49:02.560]  How would you sum up Starbucks to somebody who doesn't know what Starbucks is?
[49:02.760 --> 49:05.540]  Is that the Rainmaker character in the movie The Rainmaker?
[49:06.020 --> 49:06.800]  No, I don't think so.
[49:06.900 --> 49:07.300]  Oh, okay.
[49:07.920 --> 49:08.840]  It's just evil.
[49:09.580 --> 49:11.300]  Well, yeah, but you've got to do better than that, Mike.
[49:11.460 --> 49:12.300]  You've got to do better than that.
[49:12.400 --> 49:13.420]  Do you want me to explain it?
[49:14.000 --> 49:14.840]  He said quickly.
[49:15.040 --> 49:15.220]  All right.
[49:15.220 --> 49:15.920]  I said quickly, too.
[49:16.100 --> 49:22.380]  It's a coffee chain here in the States and other places that's taking over the world.
[49:22.540 --> 49:23.700]  There's one everywhere.
[49:23.740 --> 49:26.640]  There's three on the same corner, on one corner in New York City.
[49:28.140 --> 49:31.920]  Okay, and we're going to read just two more things here.
[49:32.480 --> 49:35.040]  Yes, but not knowing what Starbucks is, that's kind of cool, actually.
[49:35.040 --> 49:36.240]  I wish I could do that.
[49:36.380 --> 49:38.940]  For more information, check out RevBilly.com.
[49:39.120 --> 49:39.700]  All right.
[49:40.760 --> 49:51.240]  I'm told also that if you go to www.trunkedradio.net, that's T-R-U-N-K-E-D-R-A-D-I-O.net, supposedly there's controversy going on there.
[49:51.340 --> 50:02.880]  That's one of the sites that lists various frequencies, including trunked radio frequencies, with all kinds of police and other emergency-type frequencies.
[50:02.880 --> 50:07.540]  They're getting pressure to remove those frequencies in the interest of national security.
[50:08.460 --> 50:14.080]  There's a raging debate, a conversation going on on that website, so please go over there and take part in it.
[50:14.160 --> 50:19.840]  And more importantly, if you would like to run a site like that, do so, because we need that.
[50:19.980 --> 50:27.180]  We need people to have information available to the public before it gets restricted away into secrecy.
[50:27.840 --> 50:29.440]  Okay, here's our final letter.
[50:29.540 --> 50:30.540]  Then we're going to take some phone calls.
[50:32.040 --> 50:36.240]  Dear Off the Hook, I've been listening to Off the Hook for years, but for some reason I've never written to you guys until now.
[50:37.200 --> 50:41.800]  I attended the taping of Justice Talking, that's the show that we mentioned a couple of weeks ago in Philadelphia.
[50:43.980 --> 50:45.460]  It was a pretty good show.
[50:45.460 --> 50:50.760]  I think it got the point across of just how petty the MPAA is in trying to stop programs like the ECSS.
[50:51.160 --> 50:55.000]  I got to ask a question, but I haven't heard the show yet, so I don't know if it made it on the air.
[50:55.000 --> 50:57.240]  This will be airing on NPR at some point.
[50:57.500 --> 51:01.220]  And it was a debate, basically, concerning the Digital Millennium Copyright Act.
[51:01.360 --> 51:04.500]  I actually had so many questions, I didn't know where to start or stop, for that matter.
[51:04.740 --> 51:09.260]  Of course, I really wasn't satisfied with the response I got from MPAA lawyer Fritz Attaway.
[51:09.440 --> 51:13.820]  His answers throughout the show were pretty lame, and he would usually sidestep the questions if he could.
[51:14.040 --> 51:21.540]  The unfortunate thing for the radio listeners is that they won't see the uncomfortable squirming that occurred as he tried to conjure up a decent answer for some of the questions.
[51:21.540 --> 51:28.000]  Most of the time, he would have to defend the MPAA's ridiculous position with equally ridiculous answers, and the audience certainly wasn't buying it.
[51:28.220 --> 51:32.320]  Most audience members, including myself, were sighing and rolling their eyes throughout the taping.
[51:34.300 --> 51:41.240]  Siva Vadheimahan, whose name I always massacre, I'm sorry about that, spoke at H2K, and hopefully he'll be speaking at H2K, too.
[51:42.320 --> 51:44.840]  He had a very strong and intelligent position on the issues.
[51:44.900 --> 51:56.160]  He made it very clear that he and most of the people who use programs like the ECSS are against DVD piracy and ask only that they be allowed to use what they rightfully own without being subject to prosecution under the DMCA.
[51:56.700 --> 52:06.800]  What I found most disturbing about Mr. Attaway was that he seemed to think that as long as the motion picture industry was good for the economy, making money for the USA, creating jobs, that it's okay for them to trample on people's rights.
[52:07.200 --> 52:10.800]  It's this kind of shameless capitalism that allowed slavery to go on in this country.
[52:10.940 --> 52:13.020]  Slavery was great for the economy, but people have rights.
[52:13.360 --> 52:18.540]  Of course, the DMCA is hardly slavery, but it's a slippery slope that we can't afford to slide down.
[52:22.000 --> 52:23.180]  That letter came from Sauron.
[52:23.260 --> 52:25.280]  Thank you very much for writing to us.
[52:25.820 --> 52:28.000]  And the auto-jack looks like you're here for the duration.
[52:28.480 --> 52:28.900]  Yeah, maybe.
[52:29.220 --> 52:29.340]  Yeah.
[52:30.400 --> 52:31.740]  Well, you know, I'm going to give you the option.
[52:31.780 --> 52:33.220]  If you want to come back up...
[52:34.140 --> 52:37.300]  I think I'd really rather come back up, because, you know, it's kind of cold out here.
[52:37.480 --> 52:37.640]  Yeah.
[52:37.860 --> 52:38.780]  Leave the phone off the hook.
[52:38.840 --> 52:39.260]  Could you do that?
[52:39.340 --> 52:39.960]  Leave it off the hook.
[52:40.000 --> 52:41.480]  Yeah, just leave it dangling there in the street.
[52:41.940 --> 52:42.240]  All right.
[52:42.340 --> 52:43.560]  That'll be our way of...
[52:43.560 --> 52:45.240]  Should I make, like, a big production out of it, or should I...
[52:45.240 --> 52:47.500]  No, just drop it nice and quiet-like.
[52:47.500 --> 52:47.840]  All right.
[52:47.900 --> 52:48.460]  I'll be right back.
[52:48.540 --> 52:48.860]  All right.
[52:48.940 --> 52:49.600]  And we'll know.
[52:49.680 --> 52:51.340]  We'll know if somebody hangs that up.
[52:51.500 --> 52:52.260]  We'll know right away.
[52:53.760 --> 52:55.300]  That's the sound of the street.
[52:56.680 --> 52:57.040]  Okay.
[52:57.840 --> 52:59.120]  Let's take another phone call.
[52:59.200 --> 53:00.540]  Let's take a first phone call.
[53:01.020 --> 53:01.660]  And good evening.
[53:01.740 --> 53:02.180]  You're on the air.
[53:02.380 --> 53:02.880]  Oh, yes.
[53:02.920 --> 53:03.240]  Good evening.
[53:03.300 --> 53:03.680]  Hi there.
[53:03.820 --> 53:04.120]  How are you doing?
[53:04.200 --> 53:08.200]  I have two pieces of appropriate information relevant to what you were talking about.
[53:08.500 --> 53:13.040]  Number one, I was listening with my headphone radio on, and before I came in, I passed...
[53:13.040 --> 53:18.680]  I have a common wall with a Verizon switching station, outside of which they have two Verizon pay phones.
[53:18.820 --> 53:19.060]  Uh-huh.
[53:19.200 --> 53:22.900]  So I took a look on it, and sure enough, the sticker is up, 50 cents on both Verizon.
[53:23.280 --> 53:30.040]  But I decided to test it, and I put a quarter in, and I called my own number, and I know I'm not home, and it registered.
[53:30.660 --> 53:33.200]  I didn't get an intercept saying deposit another quarter.
[53:33.700 --> 53:37.180]  So people look for the stickers, but don't believe them necessarily.
[53:37.560 --> 53:39.820]  You may still be able to get away with a quarter on those.
[53:39.980 --> 53:40.300]  Interesting.
[53:40.500 --> 53:41.860]  So they're putting up...
[53:41.860 --> 53:43.300]  They're probably just putting up stickers.
[53:43.680 --> 53:43.800]  Yeah.
[53:43.820 --> 53:48.580]  I don't know if they have to actually do something to the pay phone to make it, say, 50 cents instead of 25 cents.
[53:48.620 --> 53:50.040]  I think that's done in the central office.
[53:50.200 --> 53:51.800]  Yeah, the flip of a switch will do that.
[53:52.080 --> 53:55.680]  Yeah, so the big task right hand right now is getting all the stickers up.
[53:55.860 --> 53:58.480]  Yeah, and those are up right outside the Verizon switching office.
[53:58.640 --> 53:59.560]  That's number one, yeah.
[53:59.820 --> 54:00.880]  And I don't think they're stickers either.
[54:00.960 --> 54:01.680]  They're probably plates.
[54:01.680 --> 54:03.660]  Well, no, these are peeled off.
[54:04.060 --> 54:05.400]  I think they're peeled off, yeah.
[54:05.460 --> 54:09.120]  And it says, no change return, just below the 50 cent label.
[54:09.680 --> 54:19.000]  Just thinking out loud here, I wonder if all the stickers somehow keep getting peeled off, if they have to keep going back, if they can't switch the rate to 50 cents until they get all the stickers back up.
[54:19.040 --> 54:19.380]  I don't know.
[54:19.500 --> 54:20.520]  There are some enticing ideas.
[54:20.660 --> 54:25.120]  And the second thing you asked about, which stage of the three alerts we're in?
[54:25.220 --> 54:25.480]  Uh-huh.
[54:25.620 --> 54:30.220]  Well, on this evening's WBI News, I believe Jose Santiago covered it.
[54:30.220 --> 54:32.720]  We are in stage yellow, in the middle of the middle one.
[54:32.780 --> 54:33.140]  Oh, okay.
[54:33.260 --> 54:35.400]  I didn't listen to the news tonight, but we are in stage yellow.
[54:35.500 --> 54:35.660]  Okay.
[54:35.820 --> 54:38.600]  Yes, so everybody should take all appropriate measures, whatever those might be.
[54:38.700 --> 54:39.640]  Now, that's the middle one, right?
[54:39.840 --> 54:40.380]  The middle one, yeah.
[54:40.420 --> 54:41.620]  Green, blue, and then yellow.
[54:41.800 --> 54:41.960]  Right.
[54:42.080 --> 54:42.680]  We are yellow.
[54:42.920 --> 54:43.800]  Orange and red to go.
[54:43.920 --> 54:44.080]  Okay.
[54:44.120 --> 54:44.280]  Right.
[54:44.460 --> 54:44.680]  Okay.
[54:44.680 --> 54:45.180]  We're in the middle.
[54:45.380 --> 54:48.200]  Well, thanks for telling us what the Department of Homeland Security couldn't.
[55:01.260 --> 55:02.040]  Speak up, please.
[55:02.260 --> 55:02.840]  Yes, hi.
[55:03.600 --> 55:05.660]  We're supposed to be on condition yellow.
[55:05.960 --> 55:07.280]  Yes, so I just found that out.
[55:07.460 --> 55:08.200]  Oh, yeah, yeah.
[55:08.480 --> 55:18.320]  And I was trying to get over what was happening during the 50s and 60s that they told you to, if you see a flash, get under the desk.
[55:18.320 --> 55:22.560]  And I was always very heavy, and I would have to sit up the whole thing.
[55:23.340 --> 55:30.320]  And little did I know that it didn't matter whether you were sitting on the desk or under whatever, you were going to get fried just like everybody else.
[55:30.400 --> 55:31.320]  Yeah, duck and cover.
[55:31.460 --> 55:32.600]  I believe that's what you were supposed to do.
[55:32.600 --> 55:32.900]  That's the one.
[55:33.020 --> 55:34.080]  That was the one, you know.
[55:34.420 --> 55:49.940]  And now, I don't know if, even if we were in condition, whatever, the red or worst one, would they, would we know, would they tell us, or would it be like 9-11 that there's supposed to be an emergency or something on the radio and nothing ever happened?
[55:50.260 --> 55:50.600]  Remember that?
[55:50.800 --> 55:56.420]  Yeah, the thing is, you know, if we're going to have these colored conditions, there should be a place I can look right now to know what condition we're in.
[55:56.460 --> 56:01.460]  If the condition changes, you know, the color should change somewhere in the room that you're in.
[56:01.660 --> 56:10.480]  And no, and can I duck into BAI if something happens and do I have provisions to eat or whatever it is in case things get bad, you know what I mean?
[56:10.960 --> 56:11.560]  Yeah, yeah.
[56:11.680 --> 56:15.820]  So, I mean, they should, because what do you do if you're 10 miles away from your home?
[56:15.940 --> 56:16.500]  What do you do?
[56:16.840 --> 56:17.620]  Exactly, exactly.
[56:17.660 --> 56:18.320]  We don't know.
[56:18.480 --> 56:19.160]  We just don't know.
[56:19.480 --> 56:20.440]  But thanks, guys.
[56:20.660 --> 56:21.820]  It was always nice listening to you.
[56:21.900 --> 56:22.020]  Bye.
[56:22.200 --> 56:22.740]  Thanks for calling.
[56:23.240 --> 56:24.460]  And AutoCheck, you're back in the studio.
[56:24.680 --> 56:25.120]  Yeah, I'm back.
[56:25.200 --> 56:25.640]  Welcome back.
[56:25.720 --> 56:27.660]  And listen to what we had to put up with.
[56:27.780 --> 56:29.480]  Listen to the phone line that you left off the hook.
[56:29.580 --> 56:29.940]  Listen to this.
[56:31.240 --> 56:31.600]  Oh, yeah.
[56:31.820 --> 56:32.580]  Isn't that disgusting?
[56:32.820 --> 56:34.080]  Yeah, it's still out there, huh?
[56:34.200 --> 56:34.980]  Well, it's still there.
[56:35.060 --> 56:36.540]  No one's going to touch a Verizon pay phone.
[56:36.840 --> 56:41.140]  I was concerned, like, when I put the phone down, that, like, people were watching and stuff, you know?
[56:41.240 --> 56:42.520]  People are always watching.
[56:42.660 --> 56:45.080]  But right now, people are listening, and right now, people are talking.
[56:45.080 --> 56:46.160]  And you're on now.
[56:46.280 --> 56:46.560]  Good evening.
[56:46.680 --> 56:46.980]  You're on the air.
[56:47.640 --> 56:47.820]  Yes.
[56:47.920 --> 56:48.340]  Hi, Emmanuel.
[56:48.360 --> 56:49.480]  Calling from North Dakota.
[56:49.620 --> 56:50.260]  I mean, not North Dakota.
[56:50.740 --> 56:51.140]  Nebraska.
[56:51.560 --> 56:51.960]  Nebraska.
[56:51.960 --> 56:52.680]  Are you sure?
[56:52.800 --> 56:53.580]  What's the area code?
[56:54.240 --> 56:55.840]  The area code's 308.
[56:56.120 --> 56:56.940]  I think he's right.
[56:57.240 --> 56:57.660]  All right.
[56:57.900 --> 56:59.560]  What city are you in, Nebraska?
[57:00.440 --> 57:00.840]  North...
[57:00.840 --> 57:01.720]  No, not North Palette.
[57:02.680 --> 57:04.820]  Kearney, Nebraska, which is in central Nebraska.
[57:05.380 --> 57:05.940]  All right.
[57:06.120 --> 57:07.620]  I won't ask what you're doing there.
[57:07.980 --> 57:10.200]  Well, I'm actually going to Idaho.
[57:11.080 --> 57:11.580]  All right.
[57:11.620 --> 57:12.740]  But I said I wasn't going to ask.
[57:13.020 --> 57:13.360]  Okay.
[57:13.360 --> 57:18.740]  I passed by a phone that you have to deposit the coins after they call the answers.
[57:18.760 --> 57:19.560]  Remember those?
[57:19.660 --> 57:20.520]  They still have those?
[57:20.840 --> 57:21.720]  They still have those.
[57:22.260 --> 57:22.520]  Wow.
[57:22.920 --> 57:24.440]  And I use my cell phone.
[57:24.640 --> 57:28.400]  Oh, by the way, the 10th anniversary of me calling in is coming in June.
[57:28.740 --> 57:29.680]  Yeah, but that's June.
[57:29.800 --> 57:30.460]  This is March.
[57:30.820 --> 57:31.040]  Okay.
[57:31.360 --> 57:32.080]  And if anyone wants...
[57:32.080 --> 57:34.100]  Are you at a pay phone right now in Nebraska?
[57:34.320 --> 57:34.340]  No, no, no.
[57:34.340 --> 57:35.020]  I'm on my cell phone.
[57:35.080 --> 57:36.000]  I'm on my cell phone now.
[57:36.000 --> 57:42.140]  And if anyone wants to email me, you can email rebel11103 at yahoo.com.
[57:42.280 --> 57:43.320]  That's all one word.
[57:43.460 --> 57:43.800]  Rebel.
[57:44.100 --> 57:48.220]  It's R-E-B-E-L-1-1-1-0-3 at yahoo.com.
[57:48.300 --> 57:50.060]  Oh, that's been the question of the night.
[57:51.660 --> 57:54.440]  Maybe you don't know about this, Rebel, and maybe this will shock you.
[57:54.700 --> 57:56.780]  Shock you so much that you won't even want to come back.
[57:56.780 --> 57:59.300]  But pay phone rates have doubled in New York.
[57:59.420 --> 57:59.960]  Have you heard about this?
[58:00.100 --> 58:00.780]  50 cents?
[58:01.100 --> 58:01.880]  50 cents now.
[58:02.220 --> 58:02.460]  Yeah.
[58:02.720 --> 58:03.940]  And no more free information.
[58:04.420 --> 58:05.040]  No more...
[58:05.040 --> 58:05.160]  What?
[58:05.400 --> 58:06.900]  No more free information from pay phones.
[58:07.800 --> 58:08.400]  In New York?
[58:08.540 --> 58:11.240]  Yeah, you might want to settle over there in Nebraska where things make a lot more sense.
[58:11.280 --> 58:15.200]  How about you might want to make your cell phone a red box, which is what I did.
[58:15.260 --> 58:20.260]  I have a memo thing on my Sprint PCS Samsung.
[58:20.440 --> 58:24.660]  It has a little feature where you push a button and you can record like a 20-second memo.
[58:24.660 --> 58:25.600]  I don't know, Rebel.
[58:25.660 --> 58:30.900]  That sounds like treasonous talk to me, and I think I'm going to have to put an end to it so that, you know, you don't get in any more trouble.
[58:31.020 --> 58:36.080]  But thanks for calling, and let's see if we can fit in one more phone call before we break for the night.
[58:36.240 --> 58:36.520]  Good evening.
[58:36.580 --> 58:36.980]  You're on the air.
[58:37.100 --> 58:37.840]  Hey, good evening.
[58:38.040 --> 58:39.120]  This is Al from Queens.
[58:39.300 --> 58:39.540]  How you doing?
[58:39.560 --> 58:51.360]  Do you think it's possible that guys from R&D could develop something that can access any computers without being traced or phones or anything else that a man could possibly think of?
[58:52.240 --> 58:53.220]  In the movies, maybe.
[58:53.780 --> 58:54.300]  I don't know.
[58:54.300 --> 58:55.220]  Oh, what do you have in mind?
[58:56.240 --> 58:56.960]  Nothing, really.
[58:57.080 --> 58:57.980]  Just a slow night, huh?
[58:58.440 --> 58:59.160]  Just curious.
[58:59.420 --> 58:59.560]  Yeah.
[58:59.580 --> 59:00.660]  I just want your opinion.
[59:01.900 --> 59:04.700]  Oh, any of you guys think such as thing as possible?
[59:04.900 --> 59:08.200]  There is that, what was it, the black box from Sneakers?
[59:08.500 --> 59:09.260]  Yeah, there's that.
[59:09.380 --> 59:10.700]  They might not be using that anymore.
[59:10.720 --> 59:11.460]  Does that really exist?
[59:12.320 --> 59:16.300]  There are many black boxes, but they may not have the contents necessary.
[59:17.460 --> 59:18.300]  I'm not at liberty.
[59:20.160 --> 59:20.660]  Good evening.
[59:20.740 --> 59:21.060]  You're out there.
[59:21.280 --> 59:21.900]  You're on the air.
[59:22.140 --> 59:22.860]  What's up, Manuel?
[59:22.860 --> 59:24.100]  Well, this is Fear Free from New Jersey.
[59:24.260 --> 59:25.860]  Hey, you got about 20 seconds.
[59:25.860 --> 59:26.120]  Okay.
[59:26.300 --> 59:27.540]  I live in northwestern New Jersey.
[59:27.680 --> 59:29.120]  Sprint is a local telephone company.
[59:29.300 --> 59:29.580]  Uh-huh.
[59:29.740 --> 59:32.620]  We have been 50 cents out here for six months.
[59:33.080 --> 59:33.980]  Yeah, so I hear.
[59:34.140 --> 59:37.620]  And they have these big, it says 50 cents nationwide.
[59:38.060 --> 59:38.340]  Uh-huh.
[59:38.460 --> 59:39.300]  Nationwide, by the way.
[59:40.180 --> 59:42.100]  Well, okay, that's long distance, though.
[59:42.320 --> 59:42.700]  I mean...
[59:42.700 --> 59:42.960]  It's crazy.
[59:43.100 --> 59:43.220]  Yeah.
[59:43.520 --> 59:45.680]  50 cents a local call unlimited.
[59:46.280 --> 59:51.580]  We've had it for six months, but I found it very interesting that usually Verizon is first to try out all this stuff.
[59:51.780 --> 59:54.660]  Yeah, well, actually, Verizon has been 50 cents in many states.
[59:55.020 --> 59:57.780]  New York was the last one because we had good tariffs.
[59:57.920 --> 01:00:03.760]  But, you know, the thing that annoys me is that we never had hearings about this, at least not hearings that I was ever made aware of, and I do look for these things.
[01:00:03.760 --> 01:00:04.980]  Anyway, we're out of time.
[01:00:05.160 --> 01:00:10.900]  Sorry we didn't have more time to talk about these things, but we'll have next week, and we'll try to take more phone calls then.
[01:00:12.580 --> 01:00:13.780]  We're still connected to Verizon.
[01:00:14.360 --> 01:00:22.940]  We're going to keep this connection open for a while, and I guess pay phone calls still at 25 cents unlimited for local calls, that is.
[01:00:23.760 --> 01:00:24.500]  How interesting.
[01:00:25.360 --> 01:00:27.620]  Well, until next week, this is Emanuel Goldstein.
[01:00:28.240 --> 01:00:31.940]  Have yourselves a good night as I queue up the CD player.
[01:00:31.940 --> 01:00:34.700]  Sorry, I'm kind of distracted by all the humming.
[01:00:35.160 --> 01:00:36.060]  Oh, you hear that?
[01:00:36.160 --> 01:00:36.680]  Street noise.
[01:00:37.080 --> 01:00:37.780]  Is that what that was?
[01:00:37.820 --> 01:00:38.060]  Yeah.
[01:00:38.180 --> 01:00:38.500]  A horn.
[01:00:38.540 --> 01:00:39.140]  There's a car going by.
[01:00:39.620 --> 01:00:40.720]  I thought it was in my head.
[01:00:42.240 --> 01:00:43.400]  In a sense it is.
[01:00:43.960 --> 01:00:44.760]  Good night, folks.
[01:00:44.820 --> 01:00:45.340]  See you next week.
[01:00:49.560 --> 01:01:27.890]  Move across the sky I see the wind that moves the clouds away It moves the clouds I'll pick the building that I want to live in I've found the pine trees and the peaches in the woods I see the pine cones that fall by the highway That's the highway that goes to the building I've picked the building that I want to live in It's over there It's over there My building has every convenience.
[01:01:27.890 --> 01:01:31.970]  It's gonna make life easy for me.
[01:01:32.450 --> 01:01:35.690]  It's gonna be easy to get things done.
[01:01:36.290 --> 01:01:40.390]  I will relax along with my loved ones.
[01:01:40.390 --> 01:01:41.510]  If someone's
[01:01:44.540 --> 01:01:47.920]  my way for a band, come up and see me.
[01:01:47.920 --> 01:01:50.100]  I'll be working, working.
[01:01:50.380 --> 01:01:53.960]  But if you come visit, I'll put down what I'm doing.
[01:01:54.240 --> 01:01:55.980]  My friends are important.
[01:01:56.660 --> 01:01:59.020]  Don't you worry about me.
[01:02:00.320 --> 01:02:03.480]  I wouldn't worry about me.
[01:02:04.660 --> 01:02:07.040]  Don't you worry about me.
[01:02:08.400 --> 01:02:11.240]  Don't you worry about me.
[01:02:21.250 --> 01:02:25.930]  People think comic book is nothing, but comic book shoots right across young culture in America.
[01:02:26.170 --> 01:02:27.150]  It shoots right to the kids.