[00:00.000 --> 00:05.860]  The court has a range of options in its ruling, anywhere between doing nothing to setting Lori free.
[00:06.140 --> 00:09.360]  It could also order Peru to give Lori a third trial.
[00:10.180 --> 00:25.260]  Rights groups and Berenson's defense hope that the court will take the opportunity to determine Peru's anti-terrorist legislation illegal, which would have a positive effect on all Peruvians, especially those undergoing retrials.
[00:25.580 --> 00:29.860]  From San Jose, Costa Rica, I'm Nicole Carson for Free Speech Radio News.
[00:32.500 --> 00:34.400]  This is Free Speech Radio News.
[00:34.660 --> 00:35.620]  I'm Deepa Fernandes.
[00:47.040 --> 00:53.980]  And you're listening to radio station WBAI in New York, where the time is just about 7 o'clock on a Sunday...
[00:53.980 --> 00:54.500]  Ah, Sunday?
[00:54.680 --> 00:55.140]  Where am I?
[00:55.400 --> 00:57.140]  On a Wednesday, yes.
[00:57.300 --> 01:02.840]  And you're listening to WBAI in New York, and time for an extended edition of Off the Hook.
[01:08.230 --> 01:12.570]  The telephone keeps ringing, so I ripped it off more.
[01:13.590 --> 01:18.090]  I cut myself while shaving, now I can't make a call.
[01:18.790 --> 01:23.410]  We couldn't get much worse, but if they could, they would.
[01:23.730 --> 01:26.310]  From Bigly Bomb, but the best, expect the worst.
[01:26.990 --> 01:28.830]  I hope that's understood.
[01:29.170 --> 01:29.830]  From Bigly Bomb!
[02:51.070 --> 02:53.610]  Okay, the first thing we're going to try to do is get Bernie S.
[02:53.710 --> 02:54.030]  on the phone.
[02:54.030 --> 03:03.790]  Bernie is currently speeding his way to Dayton, Ohio for the first day of the Dayton Hamvention.
[03:04.610 --> 03:06.390]  I'll be heading out there afterwards.
[03:09.370 --> 03:14.010]  And that's the request for our special authorization code, which I now have this week.
[03:16.750 --> 03:21.310]  And in a moment, hopefully, Sprint allowing, we'll be hearing the cheery voice of Bernie S.
[03:21.430 --> 03:25.310]  As he plummets, plummets, or hurdles his way to Dayton, Ohio.
[03:28.250 --> 03:29.650]  Somewhere in an interstate.
[03:29.750 --> 03:29.910]  Hello?
[03:30.650 --> 03:31.590]  Bernie, is that you?
[03:32.070 --> 03:32.790]  Ah, that's me.
[03:33.110 --> 03:35.650]  Okay, are you able to pick us up on the shortwave out there?
[03:36.930 --> 03:38.470]  Listening, propagation is excellent.
[03:38.610 --> 03:39.590]  I was listening to the show.
[03:39.910 --> 03:41.230]  At the beginning of the show, anyway.
[03:41.370 --> 03:43.010]  Wasn't much of the show to listen to yet.
[03:43.010 --> 03:43.230]  Yeah.
[03:43.230 --> 03:44.390]  I just kind of walked in.
[03:45.490 --> 03:59.310]  I'm on the Pennsylvania Turnpike, heading west, a little bit south of Pittsburgh, heading, as you mentioned, towards Dayton, Ohio, where tens of thousands of electronic enthusiasts gather each year.
[04:00.690 --> 04:02.130]  And you're one of them, obviously.
[04:02.250 --> 04:03.150]  You might even be two of them.
[04:03.730 --> 04:04.330]  As are you.
[04:04.910 --> 04:07.910]  Well, I don't know if I'd call myself a ham enthusiast.
[04:07.910 --> 04:09.470]  No, it's not limited to just a ham.
[04:09.590 --> 04:11.010]  I said electronic enthusiast.
[04:11.050 --> 04:11.190]  Yeah.
[04:11.490 --> 04:13.030]  I mean, I'm an enthusiast in general.
[04:13.210 --> 04:16.110]  So, yeah, I guess I fit the description somewhat broadly.
[04:17.010 --> 04:18.390]  Yes, I'm leaving later than you.
[04:18.450 --> 04:20.510]  You always leave really early for this thing.
[04:20.670 --> 04:22.170]  It officially starts on Friday.
[04:22.330 --> 04:23.870]  So how come you're heading down there on Wednesday?
[04:24.490 --> 04:26.190]  Well, because I'd like to get there Thursday.
[04:26.190 --> 04:40.070]  Wednesday, it's open to vendors, and I usually get a space on the inside of the fence to scope out the situation ahead of time and talk with other vendors and see what's available and get a lay of the land sort of thing.
[04:40.150 --> 04:42.770]  But I look forward to seeing you and some other people on Friday.
[04:42.770 --> 04:47.670]  It's amazing how many 2,600 people we meet each year at the Dayton Ham Vention.
[04:47.830 --> 04:49.510]  We meet them on the Pennsylvania Turnpike, too.
[04:49.870 --> 04:50.410]  That's right.
[04:50.630 --> 04:53.670]  People swerve and wave and, you know, jump out.
[04:54.130 --> 04:56.650]  So you see the 2,600 van and just go bananas.
[04:56.810 --> 04:59.570]  Yeah, well, that's why they do it, because otherwise they would have no way of knowing who we were.
[04:59.810 --> 05:07.330]  But, yeah, the 2,600 van makes its way out there and somehow travels all that distance across to Ohio and makes it all the way back.
[05:07.330 --> 05:11.050]  And we meet quite a few interesting people throughout the entire weekend.
[05:11.170 --> 05:12.310]  Jeff, you've been there on a number of occasions.
[05:12.590 --> 05:12.790]  Yeah.
[05:12.950 --> 05:16.210]  The fact this is the first year in how many years, Bernie, since I've been?
[05:16.970 --> 05:17.670]  Three or four?
[05:18.530 --> 05:21.570]  I think you and I went out there, I think, three times.
[05:21.790 --> 05:22.370]  At least, yeah.
[05:22.510 --> 05:27.230]  And this is, I think, maybe the first year you've missed, unless you're going out with Emmanuel this year.
[05:27.470 --> 05:28.990]  No, no, I'm not going to be able to make it.
[05:29.850 --> 05:31.030]  We have plans for him, though.
[05:31.130 --> 05:34.490]  He doesn't yet know, but you may see him yet.
[05:34.590 --> 05:35.530]  We'll see.
[05:35.790 --> 05:36.610]  I'm being kidnapped.
[05:36.810 --> 05:40.050]  Might not be very happy, but Redhack, though, you're going this year.
[05:40.150 --> 05:41.490]  Yeah, I'm looking forward to it.
[05:41.550 --> 05:42.010]  It should be interesting.
[05:42.130 --> 05:43.070]  Your first time out there.
[05:43.170 --> 05:43.290]  Yeah.
[05:43.290 --> 05:44.710]  To Ohio.
[05:44.870 --> 05:45.450]  To Ohio, yeah.
[05:45.670 --> 05:47.990]  I've never been to the Midwest, so it should be...
[05:47.990 --> 05:52.970]  Well, those off-the-hook listeners who are excited by this, yes, it's true.
[05:53.050 --> 05:57.590]  The 2600 van will be making its way through Pennsylvania, West Virginia, and parts of Ohio.
[05:57.790 --> 06:00.270]  And maybe other states, too, if we get lost, like we did once before.
[06:01.210 --> 06:03.290]  It takes place at Dayton.
[06:03.430 --> 06:04.830]  What's the name of the place, Bernie?
[06:05.050 --> 06:07.950]  It's called the Hara Arena, H-A-R-A Arena.
[06:07.950 --> 06:17.230]  And listeners interested in finding out more can go to hamvention.org and read all about it.
[06:17.870 --> 06:19.350]  Okay, now, you're driving right now.
[06:19.410 --> 06:19.970]  Are you at the wheel?
[06:20.330 --> 06:23.050]  No, fortunately, I have a chauffeur this year.
[06:23.210 --> 06:23.610]  Oh, okay.
[06:23.610 --> 06:24.370]  Well, I'm a passenger.
[06:25.310 --> 06:32.110]  And I just, about half an hour ago, passed a very, very interesting sign along the Pennsylvania turnpike.
[06:32.110 --> 06:40.510]  It was a homemade billboard that said, Flight 93 tours, this way.
[06:40.630 --> 06:41.390]  Oh, my goodness.
[06:42.070 --> 06:43.050]  You're kidding me.
[06:43.110 --> 06:44.610]  They've turned it into a tourist attraction?
[06:45.770 --> 06:46.290]  Apparently.
[06:46.570 --> 06:50.010]  Flight 93 being the flight that crashed in the field on September 11th.
[06:50.090 --> 06:51.470]  In Shanksville, Pennsylvania.
[06:52.230 --> 06:52.750]  Wow.
[06:52.990 --> 06:54.870]  Well, it crashed or was shot down.
[06:54.870 --> 06:55.970]  We're not really sure.
[06:57.030 --> 06:59.070]  In either case, I guess it crashed.
[07:00.250 --> 07:02.670]  Okay, well, did they charge admission to this thing?
[07:03.710 --> 07:12.170]  Apparently, this is a money-making, it looked like a homemade sign for people running a little tour operation.
[07:12.470 --> 07:17.150]  So, terrorist tourism is taking off out here in central Pennsylvania.
[07:17.450 --> 07:20.010]  I'm trying to figure out what that tour would be like.
[07:20.130 --> 07:21.530]  I mean, the plane crashed in the field.
[07:21.670 --> 07:22.870]  What really can you show?
[07:22.870 --> 07:31.070]  Well, it's probably a big hole in the ground and somebody talking about, you know, maybe an eyewitness is giving a tour.
[07:31.610 --> 07:34.590]  Maybe there's little pieces of the plane you can look at.
[07:35.330 --> 07:35.930]  Who knows?
[07:36.130 --> 07:37.190]  Unbelievable how...
[07:37.190 --> 07:38.730]  I don't understand the shock here.
[07:38.850 --> 07:41.550]  They've turned the World Trade Center site into a tourist attraction.
[07:41.550 --> 07:43.270]  Why not the Flight 93 site?
[07:43.790 --> 07:50.950]  Well, because the World Trade Center was a big, huge building in the middle of a city and a field in Pennsylvania where something just happened to...
[07:50.950 --> 07:52.810]  I don't know, it just seems a bit more bizarre.
[07:52.810 --> 07:54.670]  That was a big, huge field in the middle of a state.
[07:54.830 --> 07:56.770]  I don't understand the difference.
[07:58.370 --> 07:59.170]  Yeah, okay.
[07:59.470 --> 08:01.850]  Well, anyway, so what else are you seeing?
[08:01.930 --> 08:09.330]  On a more positive note, just passed a very nice set of windmill generators.
[08:09.630 --> 08:14.550]  There's a half dozen really large ones like you see out in the Netherlands and Sweden and so forth.
[08:14.670 --> 08:20.070]  So that was good to see here in Pennsylvania, is wind power being used.
[08:20.950 --> 08:22.130]  Yeah, yeah, definitely.
[08:22.490 --> 08:23.790]  What part of Pennsylvania are you in right now?
[08:24.050 --> 08:28.030]  Near the town of Somerset, or Johnstown, Pennsylvania, actually.
[08:29.470 --> 08:35.590]  Johnstown, home of the FinCEN, the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network.
[08:35.610 --> 08:40.430]  It's a large federal government agency that monitors all financial transactions worldwide.
[08:40.430 --> 08:53.590]  If you make any credit card transaction or bank electronic funds transfer or money wired, whatever, they have it in their databases and they look for all kinds of suspicious money patterns.
[08:55.010 --> 09:00.430]  You know, Bernie, you should be giving the tours because, you know, going through any town, you seem to know a fact about it.
[09:01.010 --> 09:03.130]  Well, just a trivia note, I guess.
[09:03.990 --> 09:04.610]  That's good.
[09:04.730 --> 09:05.050]  That's good.
[09:05.050 --> 09:06.270]  Now, Mike, you're here as well.
[09:06.470 --> 09:07.030]  I'm here.
[09:07.370 --> 09:13.130]  And any news from your neck of the woods as I try to get my articles here together?
[09:13.290 --> 09:17.090]  A bit of news about this company, Covance, that we've been talking about.
[09:17.190 --> 09:18.610]  The one that was threatening you?
[09:18.710 --> 09:32.330]  Yes, Covance, which abuses animals and abuses free speech, and is headquartered in Princeton, New Jersey, has managed to get the main site criticizing it, which was on a server in Hong Kong.
[09:33.290 --> 09:36.750]  They got that site shut down by hiring some lawyers in Hong Kong.
[09:37.350 --> 09:37.990]  Uh-oh.
[09:38.310 --> 09:41.410]  That's going to happen a few times because Bernie's driving out there in Pennsylvania.
[09:42.190 --> 09:49.330]  In fact, Bernie, it might be better for you to call us on the special number, which hopefully he has.
[09:49.470 --> 09:50.770]  But, okay.
[09:51.230 --> 09:53.070]  We'll try him again later, though, if he doesn't reach us.
[09:53.070 --> 10:02.690]  So the main site in Hong Kong is now gone, but there's more and more people are emailing me and emailing each other and putting up copies of this site.
[10:03.290 --> 10:08.690]  I just today got an email from the Montreal 2600 Group, put up a mirror on their server.
[10:09.530 --> 10:27.190]  So lots and lots of people, but none of these people are in the United States, which kind of upsets me because the United States seems to be the only jurisdiction where they have no legal case, and yet all these Europeans are resisting the laws there to keep this information out there.
[10:27.250 --> 10:31.430]  But the Americans, who are at no legal risk to themselves, seem to be wimping out.
[10:31.470 --> 10:32.550]  So that kind of worries me.
[10:32.650 --> 10:36.430]  So what can people do if they want to add to the list of people mirroring this?
[10:36.730 --> 10:51.170]  They can go to... my website is mlcastle.net slash covance, and they can get all kinds of legal information, and also on that page is a zip file with the information which Covance would not like you to see.
[10:52.030 --> 10:52.270]  Okay.
[10:53.030 --> 10:54.530]  And yes, legal battles continue.
[10:55.630 --> 10:57.030]  They never seem to go away.
[10:57.650 --> 10:58.470]  This is Off the Hook.
[10:58.610 --> 10:59.470]  We're on for two hours tonight.
[10:59.570 --> 11:02.450]  In fact, this is a special fundraising edition of Off the Hook.
[11:02.570 --> 11:09.750]  So if this is your first time tuning in, well, you're especially lucky because you get to see what makes us all tick, and that's your listener contributions.
[11:09.750 --> 11:10.650]  We don't have commercials.
[11:10.890 --> 11:16.070]  We don't rely on corporate money to survive.
[11:17.170 --> 11:23.870]  We rely on our listeners, and we're going to give out details on just how you can do that, and hopefully we'll see a strong showing.
[11:23.970 --> 11:26.130]  This is the only time we're going to be on for the fundraiser.
[11:26.230 --> 11:27.910]  In fact, this is our last show for this month.
[11:28.010 --> 11:29.350]  We won't be on again until June.
[11:30.070 --> 11:39.390]  And there's all kinds of things happening, all kinds of exciting projects that are coming to a conclusion that are sort of culminating tonight as part of what we're going to be offering people.
[11:39.390 --> 11:40.690]  So please stay tuned.
[11:40.870 --> 11:42.750]  We're going to be giving out the information in just a couple of minutes.
[11:43.450 --> 11:44.810]  And get by your telephone.
[11:45.310 --> 11:51.570]  And if you have a credit card, you might want to grab that too because that's always a handy thing to have.
[11:52.690 --> 11:53.490]  Shall we try Bernie?
[11:53.650 --> 11:54.850]  We can try Bernie in a little bit.
[11:56.070 --> 11:57.090]  Let's go over some news.
[11:57.330 --> 11:57.710]  Yes, Jeff.
[11:57.870 --> 11:59.530]  You don't want to talk about the...
[11:59.530 --> 12:04.110]  let people give a little more time to think about the opportunities that we have for them?
[12:04.270 --> 12:05.330]  You want to get into it right now?
[12:05.450 --> 12:05.850]  I would.
[12:05.970 --> 12:06.270]  I would.
[12:06.390 --> 12:07.430]  Yeah, I guess maybe you're right.
[12:07.430 --> 12:08.170]  Like, radio is like that.
[12:08.270 --> 12:11.230]  People can listen for a few minutes and then all of a sudden something comes up and they're distracted.
[12:11.410 --> 12:12.670]  So, yeah, you might be right.
[12:12.730 --> 12:16.230]  We might have to get right into this now and allow for people to call in.
[12:16.330 --> 12:17.430]  Well, first of all, let me give the number out.
[12:17.490 --> 12:25.270]  For those of you that just want to call in and don't care about what we're offering in exchange, which is... I admire people like that.
[12:25.410 --> 12:27.510]  You know, people just want to contribute and keep the station going.
[12:27.670 --> 12:28.730]  That's what it's really all about.
[12:29.590 --> 12:32.130]  212-209-2950 is the phone number.
[12:33.250 --> 12:40.930]  We have a couple of different premium levels, which actually I just realized now I don't have in front of me unless this is it right here.
[12:42.430 --> 12:46.010]  Maybe I should verify it first before I start talking about it over the radio.
[12:46.270 --> 12:47.350]  I can tell you what it should be.
[12:47.410 --> 12:49.230]  There should be a 75 and a 125 level.
[12:49.530 --> 12:51.970]  Mike is running out to the other room to...
[12:51.970 --> 12:54.350]  I did spend some time over there before, yeah.
[12:54.410 --> 12:54.590]  Did you?
[12:54.650 --> 12:55.310]  Did you get the information?
[12:55.490 --> 12:56.030]  I got it.
[12:56.090 --> 12:56.630]  It's in my head.
[12:56.850 --> 12:57.130]  It's in your head.
[12:57.170 --> 12:59.170]  Do you want to rely on it or do you want to wait for Mike?
[12:59.170 --> 13:00.750]  I rely on your head many times and it's never let me down.
[13:00.930 --> 13:02.250]  So, not a problem.
[13:02.490 --> 13:02.990]  Always a first.
[13:03.150 --> 13:03.510]  Well, okay.
[13:03.710 --> 13:06.570]  I'll ask you then if what we're offering is correct.
[13:06.690 --> 13:06.950]  Okay, there you go.
[13:06.950 --> 13:07.650]  And you tell me if it's not.
[13:08.690 --> 13:16.210]  We have a couple of tickets to this conference that is coming up in July right here in New York City.
[13:16.470 --> 13:19.910]  It's called the Fifth Hope and it's our fifth Hope Conference.
[13:19.910 --> 13:21.530]  Hope, of course, being Hackers on Planet Earth.
[13:21.530 --> 13:24.090]  The first one was in 1994, ten years ago.
[13:24.550 --> 13:26.330]  The second one was called Beyond Hope.
[13:26.370 --> 13:27.070]  That was in 1997.
[13:27.130 --> 13:29.490]  The third was H2K in 2000.
[13:30.010 --> 13:34.450]  And the last one was H2K2, which took place in 2002.
[13:34.730 --> 13:38.490]  Most of them have taken place at the Hotel Pennsylvania, which is right across the street from Penn Station.
[13:38.870 --> 13:40.770]  This one is called the Fifth Hope.
[13:40.870 --> 13:44.030]  We have kind of a propaganda, biblical-type feel to it.
[13:45.530 --> 13:50.150]  And it's taking place July 9th through 11th, again at the Hotel Pennsylvania in New York City.
[13:50.790 --> 13:54.130]  Now, we have a number of really cool speakers so far.
[13:54.130 --> 13:57.170]  We have a lot of people that have been submitting ideas for talks.
[13:58.190 --> 14:01.630]  And it's still open for people to do that, although it's filling up pretty quickly.
[14:01.790 --> 14:07.470]  But let me tell you right now, some of the people that we do have as keynotes, and this is really pretty exciting news, I think.
[14:07.910 --> 14:13.110]  We have Kevin Mitnick, who has been on this radio program many times and has been the subject of quite a few discussions.
[14:13.530 --> 14:15.170]  We have Steve Wozniak.
[14:15.430 --> 14:16.070]  Yes, that's right.
[14:16.410 --> 14:23.070]  Apple's very own Steve Wozniak has quite a history in the hacker world and a lot of good stories to tell.
[14:23.270 --> 14:24.750]  And this guy is just really so cool.
[14:25.150 --> 14:30.810]  He's one of the people who has made it to the top and has not been ruined because of that.
[14:30.810 --> 14:35.150]  I actually enjoy the man just for the fact that we share education.
[14:36.090 --> 14:38.330]  That's where he's come back to, and it's refreshing.
[14:38.550 --> 14:38.730]  Yeah.
[14:38.870 --> 14:42.750]  I mean, I've seen some of the things he's had to say about the hacker culture, and they're just dead on.
[14:43.430 --> 14:44.290]  He gets it.
[14:44.330 --> 14:44.750]  He really does.
[14:44.870 --> 14:49.270]  So we're pleased and proud to have him as a keynote as well.
[14:49.730 --> 14:51.430]  And Jello Biaffer will be back as well.
[14:51.490 --> 14:53.550]  I talked to him last week, and he's eager to come.
[14:53.650 --> 14:57.710]  He'll be speaking on, I believe, Sunday of the conference.
[14:57.710 --> 15:04.950]  So we have three real giants in the world of technology, activism, whatever you want to call it.
[15:05.030 --> 15:07.350]  Just the kinds of things that our audience is really into.
[15:07.650 --> 15:09.650]  Kevin Midnag, Steve Wozniak, Jello Biaffer.
[15:10.090 --> 15:13.930]  In fact, I was talking to Mark from Negative Land as well.
[15:14.010 --> 15:17.550]  It looks like he's going to be back as well, which definitely is a cool thing.
[15:17.690 --> 15:19.670]  That panel got a lot of positive response.
[15:19.870 --> 15:21.210]  That's only the tip of the iceberg.
[15:21.410 --> 15:23.710]  And he just sent us an email, I noticed, right before we got on.
[15:23.710 --> 15:24.010]  You saw that?
[15:24.150 --> 15:24.610]  Yes, I did.
[15:24.610 --> 15:28.510]  Yeah, we might have a late-breaking newsflash on that.
[15:28.630 --> 15:30.250]  Something that people should know about.
[15:31.170 --> 15:33.150]  So, yeah, that's the conference, the 5th Hope.
[15:33.270 --> 15:35.470]  It's taking place July 9th through 11th.
[15:35.770 --> 15:44.250]  And what we're offering for a cost of, I believe, $125 is a pair of tickets to the 5th Hope conference.
[15:44.490 --> 15:44.930]  And?
[15:45.250 --> 15:47.990]  And the off-the-hook t-shirts.
[15:48.190 --> 15:48.630]  Exactly.
[15:48.790 --> 15:49.890]  Well, one t-shirt.
[15:49.950 --> 15:50.490]  One t-shirt.
[15:50.590 --> 15:51.810]  Yeah, you're going to have to fight over that.
[15:51.810 --> 15:55.350]  But, you know, it's not cool to wear the same shirt anyway with the person that you get the ticket with.
[15:55.490 --> 15:57.430]  So, you know, you can share the shirt.
[15:57.950 --> 16:00.790]  One person wears a shirt one day, and another day the other person wears it.
[16:00.970 --> 16:01.530]  Yeah, that works out.
[16:01.650 --> 16:05.190]  But in any event, if you look at this, tickets to the conference are $50.
[16:06.330 --> 16:10.670]  So, you're not really spending more by doing it this way.
[16:11.230 --> 16:13.910]  The contribution is almost a direct purchase.
[16:14.270 --> 16:16.130]  We're donating the tickets to WBAI.
[16:16.310 --> 16:19.570]  So, that's our generosity at work there.
[16:19.830 --> 16:24.550]  As far as saying, however many tickets we can give away tonight, we're going to donate that to the radio station.
[16:25.250 --> 16:28.830]  So, 212-209-2950 for a pledge of $125.
[16:28.850 --> 16:31.630]  You can get that pair of tickets plus an off-the-hook t-shirt.
[16:31.630 --> 16:35.990]  And I believe you also get the WBAI folio.
[16:35.990 --> 16:40.930]  You get the right to vote in the advisory board elections or whatever.
[16:41.150 --> 16:43.150]  You can run for various things at the station.
[16:43.270 --> 16:45.070]  It's all up on the website, WBAI.org.
[16:45.570 --> 16:49.210]  212-209-2950 is the phone number for a pledge of $125.
[16:49.210 --> 16:55.410]  You get those pair of tickets to a conference with all kinds of cool people showing up and speaking.
[16:55.990 --> 17:03.630]  For a pledge of $75, you'll get something that we're just announcing today for the first time.
[17:03.970 --> 17:05.450]  Something that has been in the works for...
[17:05.450 --> 17:06.110]  Long-awaited.
[17:06.170 --> 17:06.890]  Long-awaited.
[17:06.970 --> 17:08.050]  Oh, boy, has it been long-awaited.
[17:08.230 --> 17:09.970]  It's been in the works for years.
[17:10.070 --> 17:15.310]  And finally, finally, we're at the position where we can say, yes, it's done.
[17:15.630 --> 17:16.330]  It's ready.
[17:17.090 --> 17:19.650]  We're talking about the Freedom Downtime DVD.
[17:20.350 --> 17:21.090]  That's finished?
[17:21.370 --> 17:21.850]  Yeah.
[17:21.850 --> 17:25.410]  You know, I should say DVDs, plural.
[17:26.310 --> 17:27.050]  More than one.
[17:27.130 --> 17:28.510]  There are two DVDs.
[17:28.610 --> 17:29.890]  It's a two-DVD pack.
[17:30.710 --> 17:31.150]  Unbelievable.
[17:31.470 --> 17:31.810]  So there.
[17:31.990 --> 17:32.190]  Yeah.
[17:32.450 --> 17:34.810]  We have so many features on this thing.
[17:34.870 --> 17:36.010]  We couldn't fit it on one.
[17:36.010 --> 17:36.470]  We tried.
[17:36.670 --> 17:40.930]  We really tried to fit it on one, but current technology simply does not permit that.
[17:41.670 --> 17:44.890]  So we have two double-layered DVDs.
[17:45.650 --> 17:49.950]  They're both double-layered, too, so you're getting tons and tons and tons of data.
[17:49.950 --> 17:52.510]  People may ask, what kind of information could possibly be on there?
[17:52.570 --> 17:56.390]  Well, you know, for one thing, we have so many different translations of this film.
[17:56.690 --> 18:02.890]  Freedom Downtime, of course, being the documentary about Kevin Mitnick, The Hacker World, and 2600, all kinds of things like that.
[18:03.030 --> 18:06.810]  It's been available on VHS, and it's played at a few film festivals.
[18:07.490 --> 18:11.050]  Now we have that film, but we also have, in addition, we have director's commentary.
[18:11.810 --> 18:14.570]  We have translation to different languages.
[18:14.890 --> 18:16.050]  What are some of the languages?
[18:16.170 --> 18:16.730]  Do you have a list there?
[18:16.870 --> 18:17.030]  Oh, boy.
[18:17.130 --> 18:17.750]  I have a list.
[18:17.830 --> 18:18.170]  Big list.
[18:18.170 --> 18:19.550]  I don't know if we want to read the whole list.
[18:19.670 --> 18:22.690]  Well, if you read the whole list, that'll give me plenty of time to call Bernie back.
[18:22.910 --> 18:23.170]  Okay.
[18:23.310 --> 18:23.810]  Why don't you go ahead?
[18:24.090 --> 18:25.450]  So we have translations.
[18:25.530 --> 18:29.670]  These are subtitles, not dubbing, because you don't want dubbing anyway.
[18:30.350 --> 18:41.170]  Into Danish, German, English, Spanish, Estonian, Farsi or Persian, Finnish, French, Hebrew, Croatian, Italian.
[18:41.350 --> 18:42.030]  Slow down a little bit.
[18:42.030 --> 19:01.270]  Also, we have translations in Japanese and into Dutch, also Norwegian, Polish, Portuguese, and into Russian, Swedish, Turkish, and Chinese, which is 20 languages in all, if you count English.
[19:02.270 --> 19:03.350]  Bernie S has returned.
[19:03.570 --> 19:04.370]  Bernie, welcome back.
[19:05.010 --> 19:05.390]  Thank you.
[19:05.550 --> 19:06.730]  Now I have the secret number.
[19:07.710 --> 19:08.250]  Thank you.
[19:08.410 --> 19:09.310]  I gave you the secret number.
[19:09.390 --> 19:09.610]  I'm sorry.
[19:09.670 --> 19:10.130]  He didn't have it.
[19:10.750 --> 19:11.270]  Yes, Jeff.
[19:11.590 --> 19:13.130]  We didn't do the Klingon.
[19:13.890 --> 19:14.830]  We didn't have Klingon.
[19:15.010 --> 19:15.550]  We tried.
[19:15.670 --> 19:16.290]  You know, we really did.
[19:16.430 --> 19:18.170]  We wanted Klingon so badly.
[19:18.710 --> 19:20.550]  And several people said, yeah, I'll do Klingon.
[19:20.630 --> 19:22.510]  And they just, I guess they might have started.
[19:22.650 --> 19:24.450]  And then they realized, what in God's name am I doing?
[19:24.450 --> 19:26.370]  And they just didn't finish it.
[19:27.210 --> 19:28.390]  Those flaky Klingons.
[19:28.750 --> 19:30.450]  But over, how many languages?
[19:30.730 --> 19:31.170]  20 languages.
[19:31.190 --> 19:31.370]  20 languages.
[19:31.630 --> 19:32.170]  If you count English.
[19:32.370 --> 19:33.410]  19 foreign languages.
[19:33.630 --> 19:33.790]  Yeah.
[19:33.950 --> 19:36.150]  So that's amazing that we have that many translations.
[19:36.350 --> 19:43.470]  And I think it just goes to show what the hacker world can do when it gets together and everybody does part of the task.
[19:43.550 --> 19:45.530]  I don't know any DVD that has that many translations.
[19:45.690 --> 19:46.450]  It's unbelievable.
[19:46.750 --> 19:49.850]  And that's caused no end of complications as far as the production.
[19:49.850 --> 19:54.830]  Because, you know, some of the software reviews have never dealt with that many translation tracks at the same time.
[19:55.170 --> 19:58.970]  So it did weird things that only happen when you do that.
[19:59.030 --> 20:02.450]  And, of course, if nobody else ever did that, we were the ones discovering it.
[20:02.650 --> 20:03.990]  But we've gotten over those hurdles.
[20:04.310 --> 20:06.630]  We have 20 languages on this thing.
[20:06.670 --> 20:07.630]  And that's only one feature.
[20:08.510 --> 20:10.670]  There's a Kevin Mitnick interview.
[20:10.870 --> 20:12.370]  There's all kinds of lost footage.
[20:13.170 --> 20:16.390]  There's the promo for the film, which came out before the film was even made.
[20:18.610 --> 20:22.110]  There are hidden things, too, which we can't talk about.
[20:22.290 --> 20:24.910]  But there are lots of hidden things and games and...
[20:24.910 --> 20:25.350]  Easter eggs?
[20:25.790 --> 20:26.850]  Yes, Easter eggs, you might call it.
[20:26.850 --> 20:27.190]  Oh, good.
[20:27.250 --> 20:27.910]  You know what we don't have?
[20:27.930 --> 20:29.590]  We don't have any phone calls unless this thing isn't working.
[20:29.730 --> 20:31.470]  212-209-2950.
[20:31.630 --> 20:33.350]  We just offered you two really great things.
[20:34.370 --> 20:37.890]  These phone lines should be busting with activity right now.
[20:37.890 --> 20:39.010]  We have a room full of volunteers.
[20:39.570 --> 20:41.530]  And we have a tally total of zero.
[20:41.530 --> 20:52.970]  Now, that's not going to encourage very many people to continue with the kind of exuberance that we've been forcing ourselves to put out in the last few months and years to get these projects done.
[20:53.270 --> 20:56.990]  And isn't there another premium, one more?
[20:57.350 --> 20:57.710]  Yes.
[20:58.150 --> 20:58.790]  Is there another one?
[20:58.930 --> 20:59.190]  Yes.
[20:59.190 --> 20:59.610]  There's one more.
[20:59.730 --> 21:00.330]  I don't know about this one.
[21:00.470 --> 21:01.070]  Yes, you do.
[21:01.350 --> 21:05.350]  For people who pledge $50 or more, they will get an Off the Hook t-shirt.
[21:05.410 --> 21:05.690]  Oh, okay.
[21:05.750 --> 21:06.530]  Yes, that's true.
[21:06.630 --> 21:07.830]  $50 or more, Off the Hook t-shirt.
[21:07.830 --> 21:15.270]  So that means that if you pledge $75 for the Off the Hook DVD, I mean, for the Freedom Downtime DVD, you will get a t-shirt in addition to that.
[21:15.370 --> 21:16.310]  It's a really good deal.
[21:16.390 --> 21:19.470]  But again, two pledge premium rates, $75,125.
[21:20.570 --> 21:21.410]  Bernie, what do you think?
[21:22.790 --> 21:28.830]  I think it's a tremendous opportunity to support a good cause and to get something fun at the same time.
[21:31.050 --> 21:33.010]  And, you know, you're in this video quite a bit, too.
[21:33.170 --> 21:36.710]  You get to tell the story of, well, should I give it away?
[21:36.710 --> 21:39.670]  The story of how you almost bumped off a mob boss in prison?
[21:40.370 --> 21:42.310]  Yes, it was a true mob hit.
[21:43.330 --> 21:45.850]  Don't tell the story here, because that's on the DVD.
[21:46.350 --> 21:46.510]  All right.
[21:46.550 --> 21:50.070]  Well, we'll let people find out on their own by watching Freedom Downtime.
[21:50.170 --> 21:54.970]  It's a great story and something that you can hear in addition to many other things.
[21:55.150 --> 21:59.630]  We have extra footage, I think, of almost three hours of all kinds of things we weren't able to use.
[21:59.650 --> 22:02.210]  Some of it has nothing to do with the whole Kevin Mitnick case.
[22:03.090 --> 22:07.970]  Like, I just remember the tour of the special effects place.
[22:08.150 --> 22:08.650]  Yeah, yeah.
[22:08.850 --> 22:10.630]  The special tour of special places.
[22:10.970 --> 22:13.290]  There's a whole feature on the 2600 van.
[22:13.970 --> 22:21.950]  All kinds of crazy neat things that we threw together, including alternate versions of scenes, scenes that had to be cut for time purposes.
[22:24.190 --> 22:27.070]  And we have other little stories that are told as well.
[22:27.190 --> 22:28.750]  212-209-2950.
[22:28.930 --> 22:31.750]  I see two calls on the line, although they're in very strange places.
[22:31.750 --> 22:34.110]  I'm not sure if that little device is working properly.
[22:35.150 --> 22:35.770]  There you go.
[22:35.930 --> 22:36.270]  There you go.
[22:36.370 --> 22:36.650]  All right.
[22:36.670 --> 22:37.810]  We have four calls on the line.
[22:37.850 --> 22:38.390]  That's good to hear.
[22:38.450 --> 22:39.730]  I guess people realize, you know what?
[22:39.730 --> 22:40.590]  That's not a bad deal.
[22:40.610 --> 22:43.330]  Or maybe it just made it out to the Internet, which takes about three minutes.
[22:43.730 --> 22:45.790]  Yes, folks, this is a good deal.
[22:45.910 --> 22:50.950]  This is a very good deal because this is what everybody's been clamoring for for quite some time.
[22:50.950 --> 22:51.990]  Yeah, it's really lightened up now.
[22:51.990 --> 22:53.190]  It's lightened up like a Christmas tree.
[22:53.270 --> 22:53.670]  There it goes.
[22:54.570 --> 22:55.890]  212-209-2950.
[22:56.030 --> 22:56.350]  $75.
[22:56.750 --> 22:59.690]  Get the Freedom Downtime DVD, which, by the way, will be available.
[22:59.910 --> 23:03.830]  But if you pledge to WBAI, you'll be the ones getting it first.
[23:04.210 --> 23:08.270]  And you'll be the ones strutting around your neighborhood saying, look what I have, and you don't.
[23:08.630 --> 23:09.910]  That makes me better than you.
[23:10.670 --> 23:12.570]  Because material things make people happy.
[23:12.650 --> 23:14.790]  That's what we're all about here at the radio station, material things.
[23:14.870 --> 23:17.450]  That's the message we're trying to get through, albeit subtly.
[23:17.550 --> 23:19.190]  You know, we try not to hammer it into your head.
[23:19.190 --> 23:22.430]  But, yes, materialism is what moves everything.
[23:22.550 --> 23:26.190]  I thought we were supposed to claim that you don't pledge for the premiums.
[23:26.850 --> 23:28.230]  You pledge to support the station.
[23:28.430 --> 23:29.750]  Isn't that what we usually say?
[23:29.870 --> 23:30.670]  There's that point, too, yes.
[23:30.830 --> 23:31.930]  The good people do it that way.
[23:32.130 --> 23:33.310]  Okay, let's try that, then.
[23:33.550 --> 23:37.970]  It's not about what you get except for the radio station.
[23:38.050 --> 23:39.030]  You get the radio station.
[23:39.150 --> 23:46.450]  It's your investment into the signal, into the fact that this place has been here since early in the decade of the 1960s.
[23:46.450 --> 23:54.230]  You know, over 40 years, I assume it's going to be 50 years, of broadcasting non-commercial material to the city and now to the world.
[23:54.390 --> 23:59.090]  It's not just a clone of some Comcast station on the other side of the states.
[23:59.190 --> 23:59.530]  That's right.
[23:59.610 --> 24:00.970]  We're not owned by Clear Channel.
[24:01.130 --> 24:01.670]  Clear Channel.
[24:01.790 --> 24:03.050]  And we've got...
[24:03.050 --> 24:03.770]  Well, Comcast either.
[24:04.290 --> 24:05.930]  We're not part of National Public Radio.
[24:06.130 --> 24:09.470]  We're not part of all these big, huge networks.
[24:10.010 --> 24:12.990]  We're an independent collection of voices.
[24:13.650 --> 24:14.910]  Something you can be a part of, too.
[24:15.070 --> 24:16.710]  Many times we open up the phone lines to our listeners.
[24:16.910 --> 24:19.990]  Many times people come in off the streets and start doing radio here.
[24:20.050 --> 24:20.770]  That's what it's all about.
[24:20.870 --> 24:22.050]  That's what radio used to be all about.
[24:22.710 --> 24:25.710]  And that's what I hope this place will preserve for many, many years to come.
[24:25.830 --> 24:26.910]  212-209-2950.
[24:27.370 --> 24:29.650]  That's the real reason to call and show your support.
[24:29.990 --> 24:34.810]  Because every time we do this, we get enough support to keep the place going until the next time we have to do it.
[24:35.350 --> 24:38.370]  If we were a commercial station, obviously, we wouldn't do that.
[24:38.470 --> 24:40.750]  We would be playing commercials instead, and you'd have no choice.
[24:41.110 --> 24:45.890]  And the one thing we could add, too, is if they really want the stuff, this is the only place you can get the T-shirt.
[24:46.010 --> 24:47.390]  This is the only time it's available.
[24:47.530 --> 24:48.810]  It's not something that we sell.
[24:48.950 --> 24:51.310]  They don't sell this in Kmart.
[24:51.810 --> 24:53.330]  They don't sell this in Macy's.
[24:53.430 --> 24:55.370]  Or on the 2600 website.
[24:55.510 --> 24:56.410]  They don't even sell it there.
[24:56.410 --> 24:56.970]  That's right.
[24:57.110 --> 24:58.790]  And it's a pretty cool T-shirt.
[24:58.990 --> 24:59.870]  It is a pretty cool T-shirt.
[24:59.870 --> 25:02.530]  I guess the distribution deal with Walmart fell through.
[25:03.150 --> 25:05.570]  Yeah, those slime, they didn't do it.
[25:05.670 --> 25:06.490]  You know what the problem is?
[25:06.510 --> 25:09.810]  We wouldn't package them with RFID tags, which they now require.
[25:10.490 --> 25:13.730]  Yes, we promise there are no RFID tags in the clothing that we send out.
[25:14.270 --> 25:17.390]  However, there may be RFID tags in the magazine.
[25:17.570 --> 25:17.930]  We don't know.
[25:18.930 --> 25:19.650]  Anything's possible.
[25:20.570 --> 25:22.130]  212-209-2950.
[25:22.130 --> 25:26.550]  And again, for 125, you get two tickets to the HOPE conference coming up in July.
[25:26.770 --> 25:27.090]  You know what?
[25:27.130 --> 25:28.870]  These tickets are transferable.
[25:29.430 --> 25:34.390]  So if you're not sure if you can go, you can always get them and give them to somebody.
[25:35.270 --> 25:36.510]  Wouldn't that be a nice present?
[25:37.050 --> 25:38.310]  We just had Mother's Day.
[25:38.590 --> 25:39.530]  Yeah, we did.
[25:39.670 --> 25:45.450]  And, you know, the HOPE conferences are not just for technically literate people.
[25:45.590 --> 25:48.110]  So a lot of people say, oh, you know, I don't understand all this hacking business.
[25:48.530 --> 25:54.150]  We try to make it as open to people as possible so that you can go in there with all the knowledge in the world and learn something.
[25:54.150 --> 25:58.850]  Or you can go in there with no knowledge at all and get a lot out of it and not feel like you're being talked down to.
[25:58.850 --> 26:01.370]  Because most people in the hacker world are not like that.
[26:02.090 --> 26:04.710]  212-209-2950 for a pledge of 125.
[26:05.170 --> 26:10.730]  Two tickets to the Fifth HOPE conference takes place over three days, July 9th, 10th, and 11th.
[26:11.710 --> 26:16.930]  And you'll see people like Steve Wozniak, Kevin Mitnick, Jello Biafra, and many, many more.
[26:17.390 --> 26:20.250]  As for a pledge of 125, again, you also get the T-shirt.
[26:20.630 --> 26:23.490]  For 75, you get the Freedom Downtime DVD.
[26:24.050 --> 26:25.330]  DVD set, actually.
[26:25.510 --> 26:26.130]  Long awaited.
[26:26.690 --> 26:28.230]  As well as an off-the-hook T-shirt.
[26:28.370 --> 26:31.590]  And for every pledge over $50, an off-the-hook T-shirt goes without saying.
[26:31.850 --> 26:33.370]  Every pledge, of course, is welcome.
[26:33.370 --> 26:35.650]  Even if you can only pledge $25, that's fine.
[26:35.790 --> 26:37.390]  It definitely goes to help the station.
[26:37.510 --> 26:38.390]  It's more than fine.
[26:38.510 --> 26:39.030]  It's appreciated.
[26:39.150 --> 26:39.470]  It is.
[26:39.550 --> 26:41.170]  It's very, very important.
[26:41.350 --> 26:43.730]  212-209-2950 is our phone number.
[26:44.030 --> 26:45.710]  Please make those lines light up.
[26:47.050 --> 26:48.310]  Bernie, where are you now?
[26:49.830 --> 26:51.570]  In a torrential downpour.
[26:51.570 --> 26:57.410]  So, if that sounds like static in the background, it's being pelted with raindrops.
[26:57.710 --> 26:58.830]  Oh, did that catch up to you?
[26:58.930 --> 27:00.530]  That hit us pretty hard earlier today.
[27:00.530 --> 27:01.970]  I think it goes the other direction, doesn't it?
[27:02.210 --> 27:02.370]  Yeah.
[27:02.630 --> 27:04.370]  We're going to get the one he's got later.
[27:04.550 --> 27:05.250]  Yeah, we're getting more.
[27:05.410 --> 27:05.910]  We're getting more.
[27:06.070 --> 27:06.250]  Oh.
[27:06.490 --> 27:06.850]  Yeah.
[27:07.130 --> 27:11.750]  Many people have said that if it's a Dayton Ham Bench, it must mean rain.
[27:11.750 --> 27:18.750]  Because the past several years have been subjected to a ham bench into a lot of rain.
[27:18.870 --> 27:20.190]  But that doesn't stop people from coming.
[27:20.470 --> 27:20.750]  Yeah.
[27:20.870 --> 27:23.010]  That shows you how much fun it is.
[27:23.130 --> 27:26.730]  Because even in the torrential downpours, you still find some pretty good deals.
[27:27.370 --> 27:30.110]  It reminds me of almost like a camp.
[27:30.470 --> 27:37.370]  Because thousands and thousands of people set up tents outdoors, displaying various technologies.
[27:38.330 --> 27:41.970]  And it's really a community feel for the event, rain or shine.
[27:42.750 --> 27:45.310]  You know, you run into the same people every year and new people.
[27:45.490 --> 27:52.570]  And it's not unlike the hacker camp in Germany that we've attended.
[27:54.030 --> 27:54.590]  That's right.
[27:54.650 --> 27:54.910]  That's right.
[27:54.910 --> 27:56.130]  You get the same spirit.
[27:56.550 --> 27:57.970]  And I really like the Midwest.
[27:58.310 --> 28:02.990]  You know, people sometimes forget that the Midwest is out there.
[28:03.110 --> 28:04.310]  We think of, you know, New York.
[28:04.410 --> 28:05.650]  We think of the West Coast.
[28:05.650 --> 28:07.330]  And we forget about the whole middle part of America.
[28:07.550 --> 28:08.970]  And there's a lot of really cool people out there.
[28:09.050 --> 28:09.710]  It's very true.
[28:10.010 --> 28:10.290]  When...
[28:10.650 --> 28:13.470]  I've been mentioning to people that I'm going away for the weekend to Ohio.
[28:13.630 --> 28:15.650]  And every time I say that, they always ask why.
[28:15.910 --> 28:16.110]  Uh-huh.
[28:16.810 --> 28:17.490]  And, you know...
[28:17.490 --> 28:20.270]  I mean, I've never been there, so I can't really tell them.
[28:20.370 --> 28:22.050]  Well, you can tell them why when you get back.
[28:22.230 --> 28:22.530]  But...
[28:22.930 --> 28:24.090]  I have a tip for you.
[28:24.810 --> 28:25.990]  Bring your own butter.
[28:26.810 --> 28:28.790]  Oh, you're not going to start that again.
[28:29.030 --> 28:31.990]  Well, you want to eat waffles at the Waffle House, you have to.
[28:31.990 --> 28:35.410]  Two-hour argument with the waitress over the fact that they don't sell butter at Waffle House.
[28:35.410 --> 28:36.650]  What do they sell instead?
[28:37.150 --> 28:38.430]  It's a margarine.
[28:38.650 --> 28:40.810]  You're in dairy land, for crying out loud.
[28:40.890 --> 28:41.810]  You can't get butter.
[28:42.090 --> 28:43.050]  Wisconsin is dairy land.
[28:43.170 --> 28:43.770]  Well, excuse me.
[28:43.810 --> 28:44.330]  I don't know if I'm high.
[28:44.330 --> 28:44.870]  You're in the Midwest.
[28:45.090 --> 28:45.390]  Okay.
[28:45.590 --> 28:46.090]  There are cows.
[28:46.150 --> 28:46.650]  I've seen them.
[28:46.770 --> 28:46.990]  Yes.
[28:47.150 --> 28:47.830]  We have cows.
[28:47.990 --> 28:48.170]  Yeah.
[28:48.470 --> 28:49.530]  Well, the thing is...
[28:49.530 --> 28:50.450]  I don't know.
[28:50.550 --> 28:51.670]  I'm just trying to help the boy.
[28:51.810 --> 28:52.110]  All right.
[28:53.130 --> 28:54.810]  I'll make sure to bring a stick of butter.
[28:55.030 --> 28:56.130]  You'll be glad you did.
[28:56.130 --> 29:00.170]  Although, the Waffle House out there in Dayton that has the cars up in the sky, that's really kind of cool.
[29:00.250 --> 29:00.930]  I don't know if that's still there.
[29:00.970 --> 29:01.450]  I'll show you that.
[29:01.450 --> 29:02.630]  And it's full of birds.
[29:02.730 --> 29:03.290]  Full of birds.
[29:03.290 --> 29:04.250]  Flying in and out of it.
[29:04.410 --> 29:05.750]  What's the story with that, Bernie?
[29:06.290 --> 29:10.450]  There are hundreds of birds flying in and out of this car that's 100 feet up in the air.
[29:10.550 --> 29:11.090]  Very strange.
[29:11.330 --> 29:11.850]  Very strange.
[29:11.910 --> 29:13.470]  That's the kind of thing that Ohio is made of.
[29:13.670 --> 29:14.930]  Legendary stuff like that.
[29:15.810 --> 29:17.090]  212-209-2950.
[29:17.230 --> 29:22.530]  Please show your support for Off the Hook so we can have more such observations like this passing through our airwaves.
[29:22.810 --> 29:23.770]  Again, Bernie S.
[29:24.110 --> 29:26.050]  hurtling towards Ohio.
[29:26.250 --> 29:27.330]  You're still in Pennsylvania, though, right?
[29:27.990 --> 29:28.390]  Yes.
[29:28.530 --> 29:31.810]  Just reaching the West Virginia border very soon.
[29:32.010 --> 29:32.270]  Uh-huh.
[29:32.650 --> 29:33.130]  Okay, great.
[29:33.130 --> 29:34.290]  We're wheeling West Virginia.
[29:34.810 --> 29:35.910]  We're wheeling into wheeling.
[29:36.010 --> 29:37.650]  And you still have a torrential downpour?
[29:37.750 --> 29:39.410]  Have you have golf ball-sized hail?
[29:39.630 --> 29:40.030]  It's cleaning up.
[29:40.130 --> 29:40.990]  It's clearing up now.
[29:41.170 --> 29:41.410]  Okay.
[29:41.590 --> 29:44.910]  I was going to ask if you stick your phone out the window so we could hear the rain actually hitting it.
[29:46.250 --> 29:47.470]  That wouldn't be good for the Fed.
[29:47.550 --> 29:48.070]  Probably not.
[29:48.170 --> 29:48.550]  Probably not.
[29:48.610 --> 29:51.050]  But I'm surprised we're actually keeping a connection this long.
[29:51.590 --> 29:52.810]  Yeah, it's not bad.
[29:52.830 --> 29:58.590]  I think along the major highways, the wireless carriers tend to try to keep a connection.
[29:58.590 --> 30:02.390]  I've noticed a lot of towers along the Pennsylvania Turnpike.
[30:03.190 --> 30:09.790]  And some of them have two or three different carriers supported on the same tower, as you can see from the antenna configuration.
[30:10.090 --> 30:10.490]  So...
[30:10.490 --> 30:11.490]  Well, it makes sense.
[30:11.490 --> 30:18.130]  If they can keep connectivity on the interstates, I think that's 90% of the people that would be using it.
[30:18.430 --> 30:21.290]  And also for emergency calls and things like that.
[30:21.390 --> 30:25.430]  I mean, you know, if you're in the middle of nowhere, that's the best place to have...
[30:25.430 --> 30:35.850]  Speaking of emergency calls, there's been all kinds of talk recently about the Olympics coming up and the Republican Convention here in New York and ways of battling terrorism.
[30:35.850 --> 30:53.670]  And one of the strategies that they're actually considering is implementing a cell phone jammer that would jam all cell phone traffic in the region, apparently, to prevent things like cell phone-triggered explosives.
[30:53.670 --> 30:55.270]  How those work is you...
[30:55.270 --> 31:03.830]  I guess either a timer goes off in the cell phone or in some cases you call the number and when it rings, that makes the device detonate.
[31:04.490 --> 31:10.950]  Now, Bernie, I can't remember if you were passionately saying that this was a good idea, passionately saying that this was a bad idea.
[31:11.470 --> 31:12.170]  Which was it?
[31:12.430 --> 31:13.310]  I think it's a...
[31:13.310 --> 31:18.550]  I passionately feel it's a very bad idea because it really is not going to fix the problem.
[31:18.790 --> 31:22.850]  There are so many ways that one of these improvised electronic...
[31:22.850 --> 31:28.970]  or improvised explosive devices, or IEDs, that, you know, the kind that we're seeing in Iraq now, these IEDs.
[31:28.990 --> 31:30.990]  Not to be confused with IEDs, by the way.
[31:31.370 --> 31:33.550]  They can be triggered by all kinds of things.
[31:34.050 --> 31:35.130]  It could be a pager.
[31:35.350 --> 31:36.530]  It could be a cell phone.
[31:36.650 --> 31:37.490]  It could be a timer.
[31:37.830 --> 31:39.830]  It could be an alarm clock like on the cartoons.
[31:40.390 --> 31:42.070]  Exactly, like on all the old TV shows.
[31:42.350 --> 31:44.690]  And, you know, unless they're going to jam the entire...
[31:44.690 --> 31:51.850]  Unless the officials are going to jam the entire electromagnetic spectrum, it's really a waste of time.
[31:51.870 --> 32:00.830]  And if they do that, then the security people and the people that are supposed to be protecting us won't be able to communicate on their wireless two-way radio.
[32:00.830 --> 32:03.190]  So, it's really a dumb idea.
[32:03.310 --> 32:07.650]  Yeah, and that's the thing that keeps coming back, you know, for the cell phone jammer.
[32:07.710 --> 32:09.570]  What if people need to report something?
[32:09.610 --> 32:13.590]  They can't use their cell phone to get through because the cell phones are being jammed.
[32:13.610 --> 32:14.730]  How stupid are these people?
[32:15.250 --> 32:15.650]  Very.
[32:16.050 --> 32:16.650]  Well, do you want...
[32:16.650 --> 32:24.010]  I think it's a good example of people in authority who are making rules about technologies that they don't understand.
[32:24.510 --> 32:24.730]  Mm-hmm.
[32:25.470 --> 32:27.650]  I mean, in some cases, it makes sense.
[32:27.730 --> 32:29.730]  Like, if it's a localized thing, not for the whole...
[32:29.730 --> 32:35.330]  I mean, there was that president of some country who, you know, didn't get a bridge blown up over him.
[32:35.490 --> 32:37.970]  Well, he traveled with a phone jammer that was local to him.
[32:37.970 --> 32:37.970]  Right, exactly.
[32:37.990 --> 32:38.430]  It was local.
[32:38.530 --> 32:38.950]  That's what I'm saying.
[32:39.090 --> 32:42.570]  If it's localized, I mean, it's not a terrible idea, but if it's...
[32:42.570 --> 32:45.610]  So, we jam the cell phones around Bush's limousine is what you're saying.
[32:45.610 --> 32:47.050]  Well, sure.
[32:47.410 --> 32:47.630]  Okay.
[32:48.510 --> 32:48.810]  All right.
[32:48.890 --> 32:50.750]  Assuming that's the end result that you want.
[32:50.850 --> 32:54.430]  We don't want President Bush talking to people who knows what ideas they might give him.
[32:55.950 --> 32:57.490]  I don't think there's much danger of that.
[32:58.870 --> 33:07.030]  Yeah, so that's what we're looking at as far as that kind of thing goes, where technology is being implemented in very strange ways.
[33:08.030 --> 33:09.370]  It's going to be an interesting summer.
[33:09.510 --> 33:13.030]  I mean, we have all these things coming up, not just for the Fifth Hope Conference.
[33:13.030 --> 33:13.850]  That's at the beginning.
[33:13.850 --> 33:15.290]  But we have the Olympics.
[33:15.290 --> 33:16.470]  We have the conventions.
[33:17.590 --> 33:22.650]  We've got all kinds of things coming up that are going to really stress people out.
[33:22.810 --> 33:24.890]  And I don't know.
[33:24.990 --> 33:26.190]  I don't know where it's going to wind up.
[33:27.370 --> 33:37.030]  If the Republican Convention stresses you out, by the way, then you should write Mayor Bloomberg a letter telling him you don't want the Olympics because they're going to be so much worse.
[33:37.670 --> 33:39.610]  But we'll get a stadium right in the middle of town.
[33:39.790 --> 33:40.150]  Oh, great.
[33:41.590 --> 33:42.750]  Who knows what else?
[33:43.350 --> 33:43.430]  Yeah.
[33:44.530 --> 33:44.770]  Okay.
[33:45.030 --> 33:49.410]  Again, you can write to us, OTH at 2600.com, with feedback on various things.
[33:49.490 --> 33:50.730]  We have a few letters we're going to read.
[33:50.890 --> 33:55.850]  But first, let's make sure that people are continuing to call the number, 212-209-2950.
[33:55.850 --> 34:00.530]  Again, we're offering two pledge packages, two very special pledge packages.
[34:00.950 --> 34:01.610]  How are we doing?
[34:01.670 --> 34:02.070]  $250.
[34:02.450 --> 34:03.030]  That's great.
[34:03.210 --> 34:04.130]  Thanks, people, for calling in.
[34:04.190 --> 34:08.390]  We need to be a couple of thousand before this thing is over at 9 o'clock.
[34:08.530 --> 34:11.490]  So please give a call, 212-209-2950.
[34:11.490 --> 34:15.450]  So we have two main pledge levels.
[34:15.590 --> 34:32.110]  $75 gets you the just brand new, not even printed yet, but about to be printed, Freedom Downtime DVD set, two DVDs filled with all kinds of material, including the film and interviews and commentaries and translations and hidden stuff and all kinds of other fun things.
[34:32.170 --> 34:44.790]  That's for a pledge of $75, for a pledge of $125, two tickets to the Fifth Hope Conference, and all pledges above $50 get a off-the-hook T-shirt, 212-209-2950.
[34:45.070 --> 34:51.090]  We have no calls on the line, so we'll make that into one and then two and then five, because that's how it works.
[34:51.850 --> 34:55.450]  That's how we've been doing it since the station went on the air.
[34:55.590 --> 34:58.030]  All right, start the timer, and in three minutes we'll get the calls.
[34:58.650 --> 34:59.330]  Do you think so?
[34:59.430 --> 35:00.330]  Okay, I'm going to start the timer.
[35:00.590 --> 35:05.950]  And they're giving us a little note that they'd like us to also mention that they need some volunteers.
[35:06.310 --> 35:07.190]  They need volunteers.
[35:07.390 --> 35:09.070]  Okay, that means that they're busy down there.
[35:09.170 --> 35:11.750]  That means that, you know, they need help, because...
[35:11.750 --> 35:13.490]  I can't figure out how to start the timer.
[35:13.730 --> 35:13.970]  Oh, well.
[35:15.550 --> 35:16.270]  Yes, volunteers.
[35:16.570 --> 35:17.430]  Do they just come down?
[35:17.770 --> 35:18.130]  Volunteers?
[35:18.350 --> 35:19.070]  Yeah, they can just come down.
[35:19.210 --> 35:21.230]  There are people out there that know the drill.
[35:21.410 --> 35:34.790]  Also, call up, 212-209-2950, and I'm sure they can tell you how to volunteer when you do that, but please call that number and pledge, and let's help get off the hook a strong showing for the spring 2004 fundraiser here at WBAI.
[35:36.430 --> 35:37.610]  So, you guys see this?
[35:37.750 --> 35:42.970]  I don't know if this is true or completely made up, but someone sent us a link.
[35:43.650 --> 35:47.730]  This is called the RFID sniper rifle.
[35:48.910 --> 35:59.830]  Yes, you can go to www.backfire.dk slash empire north slash new site slash products underscore EN001.htm.
[36:00.350 --> 36:03.150]  Buy your ID sniper t-shirt there as well.
[36:03.890 --> 36:09.790]  The ID sniper rifle is designed by Empire North.
[36:09.790 --> 36:19.350]  It's used to implant a GPS microchip in the body of a human being using a high-powered sniper rifle as the long-distance injector.
[36:19.710 --> 36:26.530]  The microchip will enter the body and stay there, causing no internal damage and only a very small amount of physical pain to the target.
[36:26.770 --> 36:29.790]  It will feel like a mosquito bite lasting a fraction of a second.
[36:30.010 --> 36:35.810]  At the same time, a digital camcorder with a zoom lens fitted within the scope will take a high-resolution picture of the target.
[36:36.350 --> 36:40.130]  The picture will be stored on a memory card for later image analysis.
[36:40.310 --> 36:41.950]  This can't be real.
[36:42.170 --> 36:46.870]  I mean, you know, sometimes I read something and, you know, it's fiction, but it's not so far from the truth.
[36:46.910 --> 36:48.790]  And I'm not sure which I'm reading right now.
[36:49.230 --> 36:51.250]  Why use the ID sniper rifle?
[36:51.390 --> 36:56.710]  As the urban battlefield grows more complex and intense, new ways of managing and controlling crowds are needed.
[36:56.990 --> 36:59.330]  The attention of the media changes the rules of the game.
[36:59.650 --> 37:04.750]  Sometimes it is difficult to engage the enemy in the streets without causing damage to the all-important image of the state.
[37:05.230 --> 37:15.330]  Instead, Empire North suggests to mark and identify a suspicious subject at a safe distance, enabling the National Law Enforcement Agency to keep track of the target through a satellite in the weeks to come.
[37:15.830 --> 37:21.550]  Well, the thing is, RFID tags don't really, like, you can't locate them by satellite, can you?
[37:21.630 --> 37:27.690]  Because, I mean, when we looked into RFID stuff, a lot of the stuff was you had to be within a couple of feet at most.
[37:28.290 --> 37:30.730]  So it just doesn't seem to add up.
[37:30.730 --> 37:35.490]  I mean, I'm not a small country, so I don't really know for sure.
[37:35.490 --> 37:37.710]  This might be the kind of chip that you implant in your pet.
[37:37.850 --> 37:40.490]  There's a GPS chip ammunition is what they're referring to this as.
[37:40.610 --> 37:46.390]  Well, yeah, but with the ones you implant in your pet, generally when they're caught, the pound will scan them.
[37:46.870 --> 37:49.110]  So it actually isn't something that you locate.
[37:49.850 --> 37:52.430]  I mean, it's like you'll put them into a database.
[37:52.430 --> 37:52.470]  Yes.
[37:52.770 --> 37:53.770]  And then the pound.
[37:53.850 --> 38:00.450]  The ID sniper rifle, according to this, was presented by Empire North in Beijing at the China Police 2002 exhibition.
[38:00.750 --> 38:02.390]  So, Bernie, what do you think?
[38:02.470 --> 38:03.250]  You think this is for real?
[38:03.590 --> 38:04.970]  I think it's a clever hoax.
[38:05.210 --> 38:05.930]  It is pretty clever.
[38:06.030 --> 38:07.050]  They got a picture of it and everything.
[38:07.430 --> 38:15.290]  But if you think about the physics, I mean, there are some glaring, for people who are technically literate, some glaring inconsistencies in the description.
[38:15.290 --> 38:22.910]  One, as I think Mike or Redhack just mentioned, the RFID tags are not trackable or detectable from a satellite.
[38:23.190 --> 38:27.770]  You have to be very close to the chip to be able to ping it and get a signal back.
[38:27.990 --> 38:29.390]  They don't radiate their own signal.
[38:29.550 --> 38:34.630]  So, you know, you have a few inches or a few feet at most to pick the thing up.
[38:34.730 --> 38:36.750]  And the other thing is, I wonder about the ballistics.
[38:36.910 --> 38:47.710]  I looked at the actual RFID, the implantable chip that they showed on the same web page, and I doubt you could fire that from any distance and have it enter the body.
[38:47.890 --> 38:52.070]  And if you could, it would hurt a whole heck of a lot more than a mosquito bite.
[38:52.770 --> 38:53.150]  So...
[38:53.150 --> 38:54.630]  Oh, yeah, but they're not going to tell you that.
[38:54.990 --> 38:55.270]  No.
[38:55.610 --> 38:56.650]  So I can't...
[38:56.650 --> 38:57.450]  Not a selling point.
[38:57.710 --> 39:02.690]  I can't imagine this would not be noticeable by someone who got one of these things fired into their flesh.
[39:02.750 --> 39:03.370]  Oh, you'd notice.
[39:03.510 --> 39:04.730]  No, there's no doubt about that.
[39:04.730 --> 39:05.610]  You would definitely notice.
[39:05.830 --> 39:08.590]  But the thing is, you know, what would you do about it?
[39:08.650 --> 39:09.450]  What could you do about it?
[39:09.450 --> 39:12.410]  And just to clear up something, I said RFID.
[39:12.570 --> 39:16.870]  That's what one of the people who sent us this link referred to it as.
[39:16.990 --> 39:20.890]  But, you know, looking at the website myself, I don't see any reference to RFID.
[39:21.030 --> 39:23.510]  I see it referred to as a GPS chip.
[39:24.490 --> 39:24.930]  And...
[39:24.930 --> 39:26.070]  Well, that's bogus.
[39:26.230 --> 39:31.030]  They also say it was presented in New York City in April 2004.
[39:31.770 --> 39:32.210]  So...
[39:32.210 --> 39:38.230]  Well, it would be a good investigative journalism task to track down the authenticity of this.
[39:38.230 --> 39:39.450]  Because, personally, it's...
[39:39.450 --> 39:42.070]  I think it's got to be bogus based on the technical information.
[39:42.250 --> 39:44.730]  A GPS receiver must have a power source.
[39:44.990 --> 39:47.390]  And the thing is just way too small to have a battery in it.
[39:47.450 --> 39:48.850]  And it's much smaller.
[39:48.990 --> 39:50.730]  This thing's about the size of a grain of sand.
[39:51.210 --> 39:55.430]  And there have been no GPS receivers made anywhere near that small.
[39:55.450 --> 39:57.330]  And that's not even counting a power supply.
[39:57.330 --> 40:03.090]  Now, I'd like to address this to the people who are listening to the show in the future when such things aren't possible.
[40:03.210 --> 40:06.750]  And see how nice a period this was when we thought that it was impossible.
[40:06.750 --> 40:13.450]  Because who can doubt in this room that such a thing is not being planned by some group of people someplace?
[40:13.450 --> 40:15.730]  Well, I'm sure it's a fantasy that would...
[40:16.690 --> 40:20.690]  It's a Bush administration wet dream, this sort of a thing.
[40:20.950 --> 40:26.750]  But, you know, it's just not possible from a standpoint of physics yet.
[40:27.010 --> 40:29.230]  But you've got to keep your eyes open for this sort of thing.
[40:29.290 --> 40:34.790]  Because it's exactly the kind of thing that would be deployed in the future if it were technically feasible.
[40:35.370 --> 40:35.830]  That's right.
[40:35.910 --> 40:40.470]  I don't think there aren't people out there trying to figure out ways to read our brainwaves so that they can stop terrorism.
[40:41.730 --> 40:44.250]  And we're going to tell you when we find out about things like this.
[40:44.310 --> 40:46.530]  And we're going to theorize about the possibilities.
[40:46.710 --> 40:48.070]  That's what we're here for on Off the Hook.
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[40:51.870 --> 40:52.870]  We're still at $250.
[40:53.250 --> 40:54.630]  I don't know if they've had time to update that.
[40:55.230 --> 40:58.070]  But we certainly could use a lot more phone calls.
[40:58.290 --> 40:59.630]  This is our spring fundraiser.
[40:59.630 --> 41:01.730]  The only time we're going to be offering these items.
[41:02.190 --> 41:03.830]  The Freedom Downtime DVD.
[41:04.410 --> 41:07.110]  And tickets to the Hope Conference in July.
[41:07.430 --> 41:09.270]  Those are the two main premiums we're offering here.
[41:09.370 --> 41:10.770]  212-209-2950.
[41:10.970 --> 41:18.010]  You know, and the thing is, anything like this where, you know, you end up, say, with, you know, human RFID implants or whatnot.
[41:18.650 --> 41:22.190]  It's not going to be something that, you know, the state says, well, everyone has to have it.
[41:22.210 --> 41:23.850]  It's going to sneak itself in sort of...
[41:23.850 --> 41:25.170]  Well, first they'll test it on prisoners.
[41:25.690 --> 41:26.510]  Because that's what they do.
[41:26.650 --> 41:30.110]  I mean, like, some technology like this would sneak itself in sort of gradually.
[41:30.110 --> 41:35.410]  I mean, I remember a while back, someone was playing with having a microchip in their...
[41:35.410 --> 41:38.250]  implanted in their arm or something so that they could move from office to office.
[41:38.490 --> 41:43.290]  And the computer there would identify that person and, you know, bring up whatever console they'd been using.
[41:43.390 --> 41:43.790]  Yeah, it's fun.
[41:43.830 --> 41:44.390]  So, I mean...
[41:44.390 --> 41:44.790]  And it's useful.
[41:45.070 --> 41:47.270]  It's something that, you know, could be...
[41:47.270 --> 41:53.110]  You know, if you've ever seen the movie Minority Report, they would have iris scans that would then personalize...
[41:54.150 --> 41:55.570]  Oh, we lost Bernie again.
[41:55.570 --> 41:56.090]  Okay.
[41:56.230 --> 42:02.690]  ...would then personalize, you know, things around the people for them, you know, target advertising and things.
[42:02.830 --> 42:04.190]  And it's just sort of something that would...
[42:04.190 --> 42:07.270]  I feel that would kind of sneak itself into our culture.
[42:07.430 --> 42:08.650]  Well, all you need is a crisis.
[42:08.830 --> 42:12.610]  You know, a crisis of some sort to say, you know, remember that technology that was used for fun?
[42:12.710 --> 42:14.790]  Well, we could use it for something serious.
[42:15.470 --> 42:15.710]  Yeah.
[42:15.710 --> 42:29.570]  And, yeah, then it starts getting used, you know, for safety's sake, and then it starts becoming mandatory, you know, like social security numbers and fingerprints and everything else that you see being used all around these days.
[42:29.790 --> 42:40.050]  I think we've already mentioned on this show, but there's a club in Spain, I think in Ibiza, which is offering implantable RFID chips to its patrons as a sort of loyalty card.
[42:40.170 --> 42:41.610]  So you always have it in there.
[42:41.790 --> 42:41.930]  Yeah.
[42:42.030 --> 42:45.390]  So you just kind of wave your hand and pay for your drinks and things.
[42:45.710 --> 42:49.370]  Well, speaking of waving things and paying for them, this is real.
[42:49.530 --> 42:50.530]  This really is happening.
[42:51.330 --> 42:54.730]  MasterCard is introducing something called PayPass.
[42:55.990 --> 42:58.850]  They say it's coming to a wallet near you.
[42:59.150 --> 43:03.490]  It's a new card feature that's being tested in the Orlando, Florida area.
[43:03.830 --> 43:12.270]  It's available on a limited basis to select current Chase City and MBNA cardholders.
[43:12.370 --> 43:13.030]  Bernie, are you back?
[43:13.230 --> 43:13.910]  I'm back.
[43:14.210 --> 43:14.310]  Okay.
[43:15.090 --> 43:15.810]  Sorry about that.
[43:15.990 --> 43:17.430]  There's no delay at all on shortwave, is there?
[43:18.350 --> 43:20.030]  No, it's virtually real time.
[43:20.050 --> 43:20.930]  It's really wonderful.
[43:20.930 --> 43:24.190]  You can hear off the hook in most of the Western Hemisphere.
[43:24.950 --> 43:26.190]  So anyhow, go ahead.
[43:26.190 --> 43:29.490]  Can you just hold the phone up to the radio for a second while I say hello?
[43:30.330 --> 43:30.910]  Go ahead.
[43:31.250 --> 43:31.570]  Hello.
[43:36.580 --> 43:37.840]  Well, that doesn't sound like me.
[43:40.640 --> 43:44.880]  Well, that's the kind of phone you can have if you have a radio and a phone together.
[43:45.440 --> 43:50.440]  Well, Bernie, we're talking about PayPass, which is a new program being introduced by MasterCard.
[43:50.440 --> 43:56.420]  But basically, it allows you to basically tap and go is how they're referring to it.
[43:56.620 --> 43:59.980]  You don't have to swipe your card or even hand your card to a merchant.
[43:59.980 --> 44:04.740]  Just tap on a little device and you've paid for it.
[44:05.620 --> 44:09.980]  Basically, the way they're explaining it, your card never leaves your hand.
[44:10.100 --> 44:12.540]  Of course, you get the same level of security you've been accustomed to.
[44:12.840 --> 44:16.820]  Zero dollar liability for unauthorized purchases and a receipt for every purchase.
[44:19.540 --> 44:25.820]  Basically, you can go to www.paypass.com for all the information on this.
[44:25.980 --> 44:31.280]  The MasterCard PayPass card has built-in chip technology as well as a standard magnetic stripe.
[44:31.540 --> 44:38.620]  This enables the card to be used in the traditional manner at all MasterCard acceptance locations by swiping the magnetic stripe.
[44:38.640 --> 44:44.860]  However, at PayPass accepting retail locations, the cardholder can pay with one simple touch of the card.
[44:44.860 --> 44:49.720]  No swipe is required for most transactions under $25.
[44:50.080 --> 44:51.860]  Apparently, they have a limit on this for now.
[44:51.920 --> 44:58.040]  Anyway, the MasterCard card enhanced with PayPass contains a chip and a tiny antenna inside the card.
[44:58.480 --> 45:08.320]  The card and specially equipped PayPass terminals communicate payment card details using very short-range radio waves to make the transaction process simpler and quicker for all.
[45:08.500 --> 45:18.580]  This type of wireless payment is ideal for merchant locations where speed is essential, such as fast-food restaurants, gas stations, convenience stores, toll roads, mass transit, vending machines, etc.
[45:19.000 --> 45:23.940]  Gas stations have actually had this for a while now, when I drove...
[45:23.940 --> 45:25.020]  You're talking about SpeedPass, I think.
[45:25.020 --> 45:25.460]  Yeah, yeah.
[45:25.640 --> 45:26.500]  Mobile SpeedPass.
[45:26.560 --> 45:27.640]  Mobile's had that for a while.
[45:27.780 --> 45:31.460]  But this you hold in your hand, and you simply touch it to a...
[45:31.460 --> 45:36.700]  The SpeedPass was on a key, and you, you know, held it very closely over, you know, a scanner.
[45:36.700 --> 45:40.660]  This is where the expression, though, when your account is empty, they call it tapped out.
[45:42.320 --> 45:43.040]  Yes, absolutely.
[45:43.360 --> 45:45.220]  I've been waiting so long just to say that.
[45:45.300 --> 45:46.860]  You know, since I had my finger up, yeah.
[45:48.160 --> 45:52.200]  Okay, well, that's just one thing that's coming, and mark my words.
[45:52.380 --> 45:52.540]  The danger, right?
[45:52.540 --> 45:56.220]  The day will come where you just hold your card up and you've paid for something, kind of like an option.
[45:56.220 --> 46:05.360]  Well, and, you know, it couldn't be terribly difficult to pick up, you know, to ping the device and have it return the number, and then, you know, you can make a copy of it.
[46:05.880 --> 46:09.180]  Well, just knock into somebody, you know, while you're brushing by them.
[46:09.480 --> 46:09.980]  That, too.
[46:10.120 --> 46:26.880]  I mean, I remember back at H2K2, there was, was it, yeah, there was a group that had something that, you know, they could, they would ping your smart, the card that you'd wave over, you know, to let a lot of offices have them, and get the number from that so they could copy it.
[46:27.420 --> 46:29.400]  So, I mean, the same thing could happen with this.
[46:30.440 --> 46:31.820]  That was the proximity reader.
[46:32.020 --> 46:33.200]  Yeah, right, exactly.
[46:34.540 --> 46:37.220]  212-209-2950 is our phone number.
[46:37.420 --> 46:38.700]  Please show your support.
[46:38.820 --> 46:39.620]  We have people to thank, Mike?
[46:40.000 --> 46:44.920]  We have people to thank, and, and where are their names on this card?
[46:44.920 --> 46:45.540]  You look confused.
[46:45.800 --> 46:53.420]  Yes, we want to thank Joshua from Edgewater, New Jersey, and we want to thank Tom from Perth, Amboy, New Jersey.
[46:53.680 --> 46:54.420]  Two New Jersey people.
[46:54.480 --> 46:55.020]  Two New Jersey.
[46:55.540 --> 47:02.280]  Brian from Brooklyn, and Jamie, who is from Port Monmouth, also in New Jersey.
[47:02.280 --> 47:06.640]  All right, so New Jersey clearly is winning as far as showing support for this radio station.
[47:07.160 --> 47:10.380]  Frankly, as, as a, as a New Yorker, I find unacceptable.
[47:10.860 --> 47:11.000]  Yeah.
[47:11.240 --> 47:11.680]  I'm pleased.
[47:12.160 --> 47:14.120]  Well, you're from New Jersey, yeah, but...
[47:14.120 --> 47:14.780]  Those are my people.
[47:14.960 --> 47:17.300]  There are people all over the world listening to us right now.
[47:17.460 --> 47:26.740]  We can call up as well and keep this place afloat, because if WBAI was not here, you wouldn't be able to hear this, and you wouldn't be able to hear so much more that airs over these, these airwaves.
[47:26.820 --> 47:31.160]  212-209-2950 for no other reason than to show support for the radio station.
[47:31.660 --> 47:33.620]  We only do this a few times a year.
[47:33.900 --> 47:34.660]  It's essential.
[47:34.800 --> 47:37.740]  It keeps the place alive and keeps radio shows like this going.
[47:38.600 --> 47:40.180]  212-209-2950.
[47:40.360 --> 47:41.120]  We're up to 500 bucks.
[47:41.220 --> 47:43.360]  That's great, but we need to keep the momentum going.
[47:43.360 --> 47:52.780]  We're on for two hours tonight until 9 o'clock, because the folks here at WBAI know that Off the Hook listeners really care about the station and will show support.
[47:52.920 --> 47:57.400]  That's why we get the extra time, so that we can hopefully pull in more of you.
[47:57.520 --> 47:59.060]  212-209-2950.
[47:59.220 --> 47:59.780]  Again, $75.
[47:59.780 --> 48:01.040]  You get the Off...
[48:01.040 --> 48:02.400]  I keep saying the wrong DVD.
[48:02.660 --> 48:03.820]  The Freedom Downtime DVD.
[48:03.960 --> 48:06.740]  I'm not used to saying it, because it's just coming out now.
[48:07.660 --> 48:13.200]  And for 125, you get two tickets to The Fifth Hope, which is our conference this year.
[48:13.740 --> 48:18.160]  Featuring Jello Biafra, Steve Wozniak, Kevin Mitnick, and many, many more.
[48:18.300 --> 48:19.060]  And the t-shirt.
[48:19.340 --> 48:20.040]  And the t-shirt.
[48:20.120 --> 48:20.980]  Don't forget that t-shirt.
[48:21.180 --> 48:27.500]  I can't imagine someone saying, you know, I'm not going to pledge until they hear about the t-shirt, and that puts them over the edge, you know?
[48:27.660 --> 48:28.620]  What's wrong with the t-shirt?
[48:28.720 --> 48:30.940]  No, I'm just saying, you know, it's great.
[48:31.040 --> 48:31.280]  It's the hook.
[48:31.680 --> 48:33.280]  But we're offering such amazing things here.
[48:33.400 --> 48:35.560]  We're offering, you know, a double DVD set.
[48:35.700 --> 48:37.480]  We're offering two tickets to an amazing conference.
[48:37.840 --> 48:39.840]  I would hope that would get people to call in.
[48:40.040 --> 48:41.440]  Yeah, it's a cool t-shirt.
[48:41.480 --> 48:42.820]  And we're offering a radio station.
[48:42.820 --> 48:43.860]  We're offering a radio station.
[48:43.960 --> 48:45.520]  And they need volunteers.
[48:45.880 --> 48:46.780]  They need volunteers.
[48:46.780 --> 48:47.560]  They need money.
[48:47.720 --> 48:48.680]  They need all kinds of things.
[48:49.480 --> 48:52.580]  We have to do this to keep the place going.
[48:52.800 --> 48:55.680]  We should point out that they need the volunteers tonight, now.
[48:55.840 --> 48:57.380]  They need people that know this drill.
[48:57.480 --> 48:57.480]  Right now?
[48:57.560 --> 48:58.920]  Yeah, they're putting the signs up.
[48:59.000 --> 49:03.800]  They want people to come down to help answer the phones that are in the area that do this.
[49:03.800 --> 49:08.720]  All right, so get your coat on and run down the street and hopefully help us out there.
[49:09.140 --> 49:13.100]  If they need any of us to go down, maybe we should run down there.
[49:13.360 --> 49:13.760]  You think?
[49:13.840 --> 49:15.040]  Do the show from the tally room.
[49:15.180 --> 49:15.680]  I don't know.
[49:15.760 --> 49:17.780]  If it gets really hectic and crazy.
[49:18.020 --> 49:19.820]  But don't let that keep you from calling.
[49:20.280 --> 49:23.460]  I mean, yeah, there'll be mayhem, people running around, knocking into each other.
[49:23.980 --> 49:28.340]  But that's the kind of mayhem we like to see because that means that there's enthusiasm out there.
[49:28.340 --> 49:29.500]  That means there's support out there.
[49:29.660 --> 49:32.140]  And in the end, in the end, it does matter.
[49:32.360 --> 49:34.360]  In the end, it makes a big difference.
[49:34.360 --> 49:40.160]  We feel good at bringing in a lot of calls, despite the injuries that may result from everybody running around trying to answer all the phones.
[49:40.380 --> 49:41.440]  They're starting to come in now.
[49:41.520 --> 49:42.180]  They're starting to come in.
[49:42.180 --> 49:43.800]  And they look like Jersey Blinks, too.
[49:43.900 --> 49:44.900]  Oh, they do not.
[49:45.040 --> 49:45.380]  They do.
[49:45.520 --> 49:46.080]  You can't tell.
[49:46.080 --> 49:46.920]  I can tell from here.
[49:47.040 --> 49:47.600]  I'm this close.
[49:47.720 --> 49:49.060]  You see what this is resorting to here?
[49:49.400 --> 49:49.560]  No.
[49:50.300 --> 49:54.020]  People from all over have to start showing support.
[49:54.220 --> 49:55.760]  212-209-2950.
[49:55.920 --> 49:56.780]  New Yorkers, come on.
[49:56.780 --> 49:58.600]  And people in Connecticut, where are you?
[49:59.300 --> 50:00.120]  That's okay, Jersey.
[50:00.340 --> 50:00.780]  Keep calling.
[50:01.080 --> 50:01.840]  914 people.
[50:02.040 --> 50:02.640]  I know you're out there.
[50:02.700 --> 50:03.420]  You listen all the time.
[50:03.460 --> 50:12.160]  And those of you out in places like Iowa and Ohio, which is where we're heading, you know, and countries like England, Australia.
[50:13.160 --> 50:14.860]  Well, they'll hear that in about three minutes.
[50:15.180 --> 50:15.440]  Yeah.
[50:15.600 --> 50:17.540]  Or maybe tomorrow if they don't listen until the next day.
[50:18.120 --> 50:19.840]  But, you know, hopefully people are listening live.
[50:19.940 --> 50:22.580]  If you're listening live, this is your time.
[50:22.780 --> 50:25.360]  This is the time to call in and show support for the radio station.
[50:25.360 --> 50:29.940]  Imagine, your call could push us over a limit that we had not thought we could make.
[50:30.420 --> 50:30.860]  All right?
[50:30.920 --> 50:32.520]  We want to make a few thousand dollars here tonight.
[50:33.020 --> 50:35.200]  Every call gets us closer to that goal.
[50:35.500 --> 50:39.700]  And we're donating things to the radio station to try and make it as palatable as possible.
[50:40.360 --> 50:47.680]  And, you know, you can conceivably call in if you have a bunch of friends that want to go to the conference and you haven't bought your tickets yet.
[50:47.680 --> 50:52.460]  Well, you can get the tickets as part of our donation to WBAI.
[50:52.600 --> 50:57.520]  You can, you know, help the radio station out and get the tickets at the same time by pledging multiple times.
[50:57.540 --> 51:01.580]  So, if you pledge $250, you get four tickets to the conference.
[51:01.900 --> 51:02.540]  And two t-shirts.
[51:03.000 --> 51:06.200]  So, there's all kinds of mathematical possibilities here.
[51:06.200 --> 51:08.340]  2-1-2-2-0-9-2-9-5-0.
[51:08.540 --> 51:12.580]  The friendly, tally people will be more than helpful in figuring all this out.
[51:14.940 --> 51:15.760]  Yes, they will.
[51:16.340 --> 51:16.620]  So, there.
[51:16.880 --> 51:18.400]  2-1-2-2-0-9-2-9-5-0.
[51:18.480 --> 51:19.100]  Bernie, where are you now?
[51:21.080 --> 51:22.640]  I'm nearing Wheeling, West Virginia.
[51:23.540 --> 51:24.920]  Are you going to make the traditional stop?
[51:24.920 --> 51:28.660]  We always kind of go down the hill there in West Virginia.
[51:28.660 --> 51:31.020]  It is an interesting little Midwest town.
[51:32.260 --> 51:33.200]  Especially the bridge.
[51:33.500 --> 51:34.880]  They've redone their bridge.
[51:35.060 --> 51:36.060]  I don't know what river that is.
[51:36.180 --> 51:37.860]  Do you know, Jeff, what river that is?
[51:38.100 --> 51:38.880]  Oh, gosh.
[51:39.320 --> 51:41.860]  I remember the gas station and the restaurant we stopped at.
[51:42.020 --> 51:43.560]  It could be the Ohio River.
[51:43.680 --> 51:51.480]  I'm sure somebody in West Virginia listening now who's about to call in and pledge support can notate that to the volunteer who will then tell us what the name of the river is.
[51:51.560 --> 51:52.460]  And that's how communication is.
[51:52.460 --> 51:54.560]  When we thank them, we can read the name of the river.
[51:54.620 --> 51:55.120]  That's how it works.
[51:55.500 --> 51:58.160]  Let's see if there's a single person in West Virginia where Bernie S.
[51:58.320 --> 51:58.620]  is now.
[51:58.660 --> 52:00.120]  That can call in.
[52:00.260 --> 52:07.820]  Imagine how Bernie will feel knowing that he's in a state where people support what he's doing right now at this moment.
[52:08.180 --> 52:15.280]  Driving to Dayton, talking on the radio, and spreading information about the hacker world, technology, and all that kind of thing that we've been doing since 1988.
[52:16.120 --> 52:17.740]  212-209-2950.
[52:17.880 --> 52:18.860]  Are those calls from West Virginia?
[52:18.980 --> 52:19.780]  I see calls coming in.
[52:20.000 --> 52:20.160]  Yeah.
[52:20.340 --> 52:25.040]  Even if you're not in West Virginia, you know, we welcome calls from everywhere.
[52:25.280 --> 52:26.920]  212-209-2950.
[52:30.300 --> 52:36.700]  Wheeling, West Virginia is also home to the school called Wheeling Jesuit University, which always kind of amused me, that name.
[52:37.620 --> 52:38.420]  Wheeling Jesuits?
[52:38.620 --> 52:39.420]  Wheeling Jesuits.
[52:39.480 --> 52:39.760]  Yeah, I guess...
[52:39.760 --> 52:40.260]  You can go there.
[52:41.680 --> 52:45.400]  If you don't have vertigo or anything like that, I guess that would work out.
[52:46.120 --> 52:47.320]  212-209-2950.
[52:47.400 --> 52:48.740]  Let's read some listener mail.
[52:48.840 --> 52:50.780]  Again, you can send us mail.
[52:50.780 --> 52:53.800]  L-O-T-H at 2600.com.
[52:56.160 --> 52:57.020]  Let's see here.
[52:57.320 --> 53:02.100]  This person wrote in to ask us a question about a strange car they saw in Manhattan.
[53:02.700 --> 53:09.720]  While walking around Manhattan yesterday, it's probably in the upper 60s or 70s on the east side, I saw what appeared to be an undercover cop car.
[53:09.900 --> 53:13.540]  The black ones that all look the same with the tinted windows and the hidden lights and siren.
[53:13.920 --> 53:23.420]  As I walked past it, I saw that it had three or four different antennas mounted in the back, and I remember thinking I hadn't seen one with that many antennas before, but that maybe I just hadn't noticed it.
[53:23.540 --> 53:33.140]  I walked on, glanced back at it, and this time noticed the license plate, which was a normal New York white and blue plate, except that the number was simply four.
[53:34.260 --> 53:36.280]  That did strike me as somewhat odd.
[53:37.260 --> 53:43.380]  Though maybe multiple antennas are standard, I'm pretty sure I would have noticed something like a single-digit license plate number before.
[53:43.620 --> 53:46.020]  Have you guys ever seen or heard of anything like this?
[53:46.020 --> 53:48.840]  Or is this commonplace, and I've just been too wrapped up in myself to notice?
[53:48.960 --> 53:49.500]  Signed, Kenji.
[53:49.740 --> 53:53.000]  Well, it can't be that commonplace, because there's only nine possible numbers.
[53:53.160 --> 53:54.540]  Well, ten, I guess, if you count zero.
[53:55.920 --> 53:57.680]  And then I guess you get single-letter plates.
[53:57.780 --> 53:59.220]  But I've never seen a single-number plate.
[53:59.380 --> 54:01.840]  That's got to be something that's pretty damn important.
[54:02.920 --> 54:03.960]  Yeah, and that's...
[54:03.960 --> 54:06.240]  Bernie, you ever see a single-number license plate out there?
[54:06.500 --> 54:07.120]  I have.
[54:07.120 --> 54:11.680]  I believe the governor of Pennsylvania, his vehicle says one.
[54:12.640 --> 54:13.920]  Well, I guess that would make sense.
[54:14.360 --> 54:15.320]  Yeah, makes sense.
[54:16.020 --> 54:19.560]  Of course, he has to give it up when he turns the office over to somebody else.
[54:19.840 --> 54:22.260]  No, it's the governor's limo.
[54:22.520 --> 54:24.800]  It transfers from governor to governor.
[54:24.960 --> 54:28.140]  Currently, it's Ed Rendell, but whoever his predecessor was had it as well.
[54:28.500 --> 54:30.180]  It's got to make finding your car easy.
[54:31.400 --> 54:34.080]  Absolutely, and if you get pulled over by a cop, there's not a lot of time.
[54:35.080 --> 54:35.560]  Well, he doesn't...
[54:36.000 --> 54:50.240]  Ed Rendell recently was accused of going over 100 miles an hour regularly on the Pennsylvania turnpike, telling the state police officer who drives him to regularly go, you know, constantly go over 100 miles an hour here on the Pennsylvania turnpike.
[54:51.280 --> 54:55.840]  But so many people saw him doing this, and the police weren't ticketing him.
[54:55.940 --> 54:57.940]  They just let this car fly 100 miles an hour.
[54:58.800 --> 54:59.520]  So, unmistakable.
[54:59.580 --> 55:04.500]  If you see a car going 100 miles an hour, take a look at a license plate in Pennsylvania, and it's probably the governor.
[55:04.720 --> 55:08.220]  And if you can see the license plate at that kind of a speed, but that's something.
[55:08.920 --> 55:09.540]  Abusive power.
[55:09.540 --> 55:14.180]  Have you ever seen those vanity plates that are like VW, VW, VW, VW, VW over and over again?
[55:14.180 --> 55:15.580]  Yeah, they're very hard to read.
[55:15.820 --> 55:15.940]  Yeah.
[55:16.380 --> 55:26.220]  But, you know, I'm sure there's other ways now that police can read your license plate as you speed by, sort of like using the E-ZPass system, where you just sort of get a ticket in the mail.
[55:26.360 --> 55:27.340]  They don't even pull you over.
[55:27.460 --> 55:31.560]  You're speeding, and bingo, you know, your car is locked.
[55:32.380 --> 55:34.040]  There are optical readers now.
[55:34.320 --> 55:44.840]  I saw an interesting demonstration at the CBIT technology show a couple months ago in Hanover, Germany, where there were basically video cameras trained into traffic.
[55:45.020 --> 55:54.080]  They had slot cars going around with mini-license places, and these things were whizzing around at high speed, and they were getting accurate reads on these consistently.
[55:54.800 --> 56:03.000]  And so the company is marketing these to read, and they say that they will read any license plate in the world at high speed.
[56:03.700 --> 56:11.440]  So, you don't need an RFID or any kind of a transponder like an E-ZPass or SunPass in Florida in your car.
[56:11.900 --> 56:17.480]  You can be read remotely just with a TV camera pointing at the car, even if you're whizzing by at 100 miles an hour.
[56:17.840 --> 56:22.040]  Something to think about if you're in a speeding car doing something you don't want people to know about.
[56:23.000 --> 56:29.700]  Yeah, you would think that that would bring up a whole black market in special lenses that could be affixed to your license plate.
[56:29.700 --> 56:35.260]  They could only be read from straight on, you know, like somebody's high security keypad.
[56:35.560 --> 56:38.300]  You can only see from looking like tunnel vision straight on.
[56:38.460 --> 56:39.740]  You mean like a little honeycomb?
[56:40.300 --> 56:41.640]  Something exactly like that.
[56:41.640 --> 56:46.680]  So a camera on an overpass or something would not be able to read your plate.
[56:46.900 --> 56:48.000]  I think that would be a good idea.
[56:48.180 --> 56:49.140]  That sounds like a great idea.
[56:49.340 --> 56:51.220]  Are these things even legal to have anymore?
[56:51.700 --> 56:55.640]  Probably not, but, you know, nobody's tested it yet, so...
[56:55.640 --> 56:58.280]  It's not like they're going to be able to figure out who you were in retrospect.
[56:58.280 --> 57:02.580]  Well, would a cop coming up behind you be able to tell that you had one of those devices?
[57:03.580 --> 57:04.200]  Good question.
[57:04.660 --> 57:06.240]  Probably not if he could read the plate.
[57:06.420 --> 57:08.260]  If he could read the plate, he'd think nothing was amiss.
[57:08.440 --> 57:10.240]  But the camera would know.
[57:10.280 --> 57:13.060]  The camera would know that something was wrong, but then the camera wouldn't know who you were.
[57:13.360 --> 57:13.600]  Right.
[57:14.380 --> 57:18.220]  Wow, that's the whole avenue of resistance opening up here.
[57:18.300 --> 57:21.620]  A better solution, of course, is to not drive, but well then.
[57:21.960 --> 57:23.360]  Yeah, well, that's your solution to everything.
[57:24.220 --> 57:26.740]  212-209-2950 is our phone number.
[57:26.740 --> 57:27.960]  We have two calls on the line.
[57:28.080 --> 57:32.500]  Please give us a call and show your support for the radio station for Off the Hook.
[57:32.600 --> 57:36.400]  We have two major premiums here that we're offering for the first time.
[57:36.460 --> 57:39.240]  For the first and only time, I believe, here on this radio station.
[57:39.340 --> 57:42.660]  Obviously, we can't offer the Hope tickets when Hope is over.
[57:42.780 --> 57:43.680]  That wouldn't be very nice.
[57:44.180 --> 57:45.360]  Hope is coming up in July.
[57:45.360 --> 57:53.680]  We're offering two tickets for a pledge of $125, and we're offering a copy of the brand-new Freedom Downtime DVD set.
[57:53.940 --> 57:55.260]  Two DVDs with all kinds of...
[57:55.740 --> 57:56.900]  I was getting to this shirt.
[57:57.140 --> 57:58.460]  You want me to say the shirt first?
[57:58.460 --> 57:59.480]  I can do that from now on.
[57:59.740 --> 57:59.980]  Fine.
[57:59.980 --> 58:02.280]  You get a shirt for everything $50 and above.
[58:02.660 --> 58:03.440]  Everything $50.
[58:03.700 --> 58:07.000]  And so if you pledge $1,000, you'll get at least one shirt.
[58:07.100 --> 58:07.960]  Maybe you'll get more than that.
[58:07.960 --> 58:17.740]  But, again, the Freedom Downtime DVD is available for that pledge of $75, and that's something I think people are going to be talking about.
[58:18.360 --> 58:19.280]  It's been in the works.
[58:19.440 --> 58:21.520]  The film came out in, what, 2001?
[58:22.280 --> 58:29.580]  Well, it was aired in 2000 at H2K, but it officially came out in 2001, and the DVD has been worked on ever since.
[58:29.780 --> 58:31.380]  Most of the filming was done in 1998.
[58:31.480 --> 58:33.140]  It takes a long time to do these things.
[58:33.240 --> 58:33.760]  It really does.
[58:33.800 --> 58:35.840]  A lot of people, a lot of time.
[58:36.380 --> 58:42.740]  And when you're not a Hollywood production house, it really drives home the point that these things are complicated.
[58:42.740 --> 58:48.680]  These things take a lot of skill, a lot of effort, and you just have to keep going.
[58:48.860 --> 58:52.700]  You know, and that's what we've been doing, and we're at the point now where we can finally say, hey, here it is.
[58:53.520 --> 59:00.740]  Emmanuel, I want to ask you, is the rumor true that I heard that Disney and Miramax will not be carrying this film?
[59:01.580 --> 59:02.980]  They won't be carrying our film.
[59:03.160 --> 59:03.460]  That's right.
[59:03.580 --> 59:08.340]  Disney has been very clear on that with Miramax, saying, Miramax, you may not distribute Freedom Downtime.
[59:08.940 --> 59:12.160]  Of course, Miramax never had the right to do that in the first place, but they just...
[59:12.160 --> 59:12.740]  They are mentioned.
[59:12.940 --> 59:13.680]  They want to make sure.
[59:13.880 --> 59:14.720]  They want to make sure.
[59:14.880 --> 59:15.600]  Yeah, Miramax is in there.
[59:15.820 --> 59:16.720]  They are in the film, though, aren't they?
[59:16.720 --> 59:17.040]  That's right.
[59:30.740 --> 59:33.140]  Let's send this out, like there is with Michael Moore's new film.
[59:33.280 --> 59:35.560]  Did we region-code it, or is it open?
[59:35.800 --> 59:36.220]  It's region-free, right?
[59:36.340 --> 59:37.200]  It's region-free.
[59:37.400 --> 59:39.340]  Region-coding is not going to be a problem.
[59:39.640 --> 59:40.040]  Very good.
[59:40.040 --> 59:41.080]  That's all I'm going to say on that.
[59:42.320 --> 59:44.660]  212-209-2950 is the phone number.
[59:44.740 --> 59:45.920]  We have a couple of calls on the line.
[59:46.000 --> 59:47.000]  Please join those people.
[59:47.480 --> 59:48.320]  This is Off the Hook.
[59:48.460 --> 59:50.040]  We're on normally from 7 to 8.
[59:50.140 --> 59:51.800]  Tonight, we're on from 7 to 9.
[59:51.880 --> 59:55.860]  So, if you're just getting in and realizing that you missed the show, well, guess what?
[59:55.940 --> 59:57.840]  We have a whole other hour coming up.
[59:57.840 --> 01:00:03.300]  The personal computer show will be on next week with an extended time slot.
[01:00:03.640 --> 01:00:09.520]  So, feel free to tune in then if you want to listen to that particular show.
[01:00:09.760 --> 01:00:11.160]  But we're on for another hour.
[01:00:11.400 --> 01:00:17.520]  212-209-2950 is the phone number to call the pledge support to Off the Hook to the radio station.
[01:00:17.880 --> 01:00:21.340]  And again, for those pledge levels, you will get all kinds of nifty things.
[01:00:24.000 --> 01:00:25.560]  212-209-2950.
[01:00:25.560 --> 01:00:28.000]  So, let's take a musical break.
[01:00:28.200 --> 01:00:37.040]  We do occasionally, when we do longer shows, we play the entire Off the Hook theme, the original version, as it came from the big audio Dynamite song, way back when.
[01:00:37.460 --> 01:00:40.380]  We'll be back in a couple of minutes with the second hour of Off the Hook.
[01:00:42.560 --> 01:00:48.060]  No matter what the people say, these songs lead the way, it's out of your day from Boss DJ, Don.
[01:00:55.320 --> 01:00:59.680]  The telephone keeps ringing, so I ripped it off the wall.
[00:02.040 --> 00:03.620]  212-209-2950.
[00:04.440 --> 00:06.040]  Let's take a musical break.
[00:06.240 --> 00:15.060]  We do occasionally, when we do longer shows, we play the entire Off the Hook theme, the original version, as it came from the Big Audio Dynamite song, Way Back When.
[00:15.460 --> 00:18.420]  We'll be back in a couple of minutes with the second hour of Off the Hook.
[00:20.680 --> 00:23.620]  No matter what people say, these songs lead the way.
[00:23.960 --> 00:26.120]  It's out of your day from Boss DJ, Don.
[00:33.160 --> 00:37.720]  The telephone keeps ringing, so I ripped it off the wall.
[00:38.600 --> 00:43.240]  I cut myself while shaving, now I can't make a cough.
[00:44.180 --> 00:48.600]  And now I got a headache, or maybe it's the tooth.
[00:48.860 --> 00:51.620]  I mean, no, this couldn't get much worse.
[00:52.140 --> 00:54.080]  I've gots to tell the truth.
[00:54.840 --> 00:56.920]  No, it couldn't get much worse.
[00:57.720 --> 00:59.520]  But if they could, they would.
[00:59.840 --> 01:00.440]  Oh, Billy, bomb.
[01:00.660 --> 01:02.420]  But I best expect the worst.
[01:03.200 --> 01:04.900]  I hope that's understood.
[01:05.180 --> 01:05.920]  Oh, Billy, boom!
[01:11.730 --> 01:13.430]  I just ran out of milk.
[01:14.050 --> 01:15.910]  There's no paper in the loo.
[01:16.130 --> 01:16.930]  Oh, Billy, bomb.
[01:17.350 --> 01:19.010]  And now it started raining.
[01:20.050 --> 01:21.350]  Lightning, thunder, too.
[01:21.690 --> 01:22.410]  Oh, Billy, boom!
[01:22.410 --> 01:27.090]  And now I begin to wonder, how bad can you get?
[01:27.970 --> 01:32.430]  A bird who comes in through my door, makes my TV set.
[01:33.410 --> 01:38.210]  So I light up the cigarette, listen to some sounds.
[01:39.070 --> 01:43.490]  I set my house on fire, burned it to the ground.
[01:44.150 --> 01:44.770]  I
[01:52.890 --> 01:54.210]  hope it's understood.
[01:54.690 --> 01:55.230]  Oh, Billy, boom!
[02:00.920 --> 02:02.800]  And now I got a console.
[02:03.340 --> 02:05.340]  My brother's on the run.
[02:06.560 --> 02:10.760]  I might have a change of luck before my day is done.
[02:12.000 --> 02:13.660]  Couldn't get much worse.
[02:14.300 --> 02:16.180]  But if they could, they would.
[02:16.480 --> 02:19.060]  But then it's bound for the best, expect the worst.
[02:19.720 --> 02:21.580]  I hope that's understood.
[02:21.920 --> 02:22.680]  Oh, Billy, boom!
[02:56.250 --> 02:57.310]  See sunset.
[04:28.560 --> 04:30.660]  The telephone keeps ringing.
[04:31.160 --> 04:33.160]  So I ripped it off the wall.
[04:34.020 --> 04:36.160]  I cut myself off shaving.
[04:36.680 --> 04:38.640]  Now I can't make a call.
[04:39.680 --> 04:41.780]  And now I got a headache.
[04:42.160 --> 04:44.040]  Or maybe it's a tooth.
[04:44.320 --> 04:47.120]  I mean, no, this couldn't get much worse.
[04:47.730 --> 04:49.560]  I've got to tell the truth.
[04:50.300 --> 04:52.400]  No, it couldn't get much worse.
[04:53.100 --> 04:54.980]  But if they could, they would.
[04:55.280 --> 04:57.920]  A little bump for the best, expect the worst.
[04:58.520 --> 05:00.420]  I hope that's understood.
[05:00.640 --> 05:01.470]  A little bump.
[05:27.450 --> 05:29.130]  You're on my boat.
[05:35.730 --> 05:36.130]  Okay,
[07:05.420 --> 07:07.280]  I think we heard every single possible last beat of that.
[07:07.740 --> 07:13.800]  That, of course, being the song Much Worse, which is kind of the bed of the theme for Off the Hook.
[07:14.020 --> 07:16.840]  The song Much Worse coming from Don Lettson, Big Audio Dynamite.
[07:17.380 --> 07:20.640]  And I remember first picking that up on vinyl when it came out.
[07:20.680 --> 07:23.480]  Because I guess that's the only thing that came out back then in the 80s.
[07:24.080 --> 07:26.280]  And I have probably three different versions of that.
[07:26.340 --> 07:28.380]  Just basically different lengths.
[07:28.540 --> 07:29.460]  It fades out at different points.
[07:30.160 --> 07:34.160]  And it's the flip side of the single Just Play Music by Big Audio Dynamite.
[07:34.620 --> 07:35.880]  It's really cool.
[07:35.940 --> 07:36.400]  It's a good song.
[07:36.500 --> 07:37.880]  It's served us well here.
[07:38.100 --> 07:39.280]  And people love to hear it.
[07:39.360 --> 07:40.980]  People like to hear the entire version.
[07:40.980 --> 07:45.240]  And I guess the song's become more famous because of the show, which is really kind of ironic.
[07:45.460 --> 07:47.420]  It was a flip side of a single that never made it to an album.
[07:47.520 --> 07:49.360]  So you wouldn't have heard it in very many places.
[07:50.200 --> 07:51.220]  I never tire of it.
[07:51.220 --> 07:52.240]  How did you pick it up?
[07:52.580 --> 07:53.580]  Well, you know, I don't know.
[07:53.760 --> 07:57.400]  I guess I developed kind of an affinity to the song because it was just so hard to find.
[07:58.060 --> 08:00.320]  And I just started listening to it over and over again.
[08:00.520 --> 08:06.420]  And I just kind of liked the way it kept the same beat as the off-hook tone that you get when you leave a phone off the hook.
[08:06.420 --> 08:12.580]  I don't know if you still get that, but it's a sound that many of us who stay up all night playing with phones and computers hear sometimes.
[08:12.600 --> 08:15.140]  And you knock a phone off the receiver and all of a sudden it starts screaming at you.
[08:15.660 --> 08:18.840]  So that was kind of like the theme to Off the Hook right there.
[08:19.040 --> 08:20.180]  And then we tied the song in.
[08:20.300 --> 08:28.160]  And ever since the first episode back in October 1988, which was actually a special and became a regular series in the early 90s, that's been our theme.
[08:29.100 --> 08:31.420]  Now you know some of the history of Off the Hook.
[08:32.500 --> 08:34.020]  And I've talked to Don Lutz about this too.
[08:34.020 --> 08:38.220]  He's pretty happy that his song is being played to this day, every week.
[08:39.020 --> 08:42.060]  Okay, we found out we have a crisis here at the radio station.
[08:42.560 --> 08:44.100]  We don't have volunteers.
[08:44.100 --> 08:45.280]  We don't have enough volunteers.
[08:45.600 --> 08:47.480]  We have $1,100, which is great.
[08:47.520 --> 08:52.880]  That means that of the few people that are down there right now, they've been doing a real incredible, amazing job.
[08:53.020 --> 08:54.500]  And my hat's off to you.
[08:55.420 --> 08:57.180]  But we don't have enough people down there.
[08:57.200 --> 08:58.140]  We need more volunteers.
[08:59.200 --> 09:01.980]  And we've sent Mike down there to answer phones.
[09:01.980 --> 09:02.840]  He's down there right now.
[09:02.840 --> 09:05.140]  So if you call up, you might actually get Mike on the phone.
[09:05.440 --> 09:09.880]  And if necessary, if necessary, we will send more of our staff down there to answer phones.
[09:10.400 --> 09:11.700]  But again, we need volunteers.
[09:11.700 --> 09:17.280]  You can also call in and volunteer your help or just show up at the radio station, 212-209-2950.
[09:18.120 --> 09:21.260]  Show your support for Off the Hook, for WBAI.
[09:21.440 --> 09:22.620]  It makes all the difference in the world.
[09:22.980 --> 09:25.940]  Mike went down hoping that more New Yorkers would call.
[09:25.940 --> 09:30.180]  Yeah, hopefully he's making some outgoing calls to get people to call in.
[09:30.340 --> 09:31.300]  We'll see about that.
[09:31.840 --> 09:33.360]  But again, the phone lines are open.
[09:33.360 --> 09:35.960]  If you had trouble getting through, just keep trying.
[09:36.500 --> 09:38.300]  Because we do want to take your call.
[09:39.000 --> 09:43.100]  And we want to get people down there to answer those calls.
[09:43.240 --> 09:45.440]  I see a big meeting of people in the room next to us.
[09:45.520 --> 09:49.220]  If even half of those people went down and answered phones, we'd be out of this problem.
[09:49.220 --> 09:51.680]  But meetings are important too, I guess.
[09:51.880 --> 09:53.120]  And the amount has jumped again.
[09:53.260 --> 09:54.140]  The amount has jumped again.
[09:54.280 --> 09:57.920]  Okay, one thing Mike has done when he's gone down there is to add up the numbers.
[09:58.320 --> 09:59.940]  Get those numbers up there on the board.
[09:59.980 --> 10:05.480]  Which is great for us because it enthuses us to know that we're beyond $1,000 in the first hour.
[10:06.680 --> 10:08.080]  1175 is what we're up to.
[10:08.340 --> 10:13.400]  212-209-2950 is the number to call to pledge your support to WBAI.
[10:13.600 --> 10:20.160]  WBAI being the non-commercial radio station right here in the middle of the FM dial where all the commercial stations hang out.
[10:20.560 --> 10:22.080]  A lot of people find us by accident.
[10:22.400 --> 10:29.460]  The fact is we've existed for over 40 years just because people like you have called in and pledged whatever you can afford to keep us going.
[10:29.580 --> 10:31.100]  And that's the true nature of radio.
[10:31.380 --> 10:32.980]  It doesn't have to be about Clear Channel.
[10:33.140 --> 10:43.540]  It doesn't have to be about all the commercial interests that keep things non-controversial and keep the same people being played all the time and just music boxes and that kind of thing.
[10:43.580 --> 10:45.120]  No, it can be a lot more than that.
[10:45.180 --> 10:45.820]  It can be music.
[10:46.000 --> 10:47.500]  It can be talk.
[10:47.500 --> 10:55.180]  It can be things that get you angry, things that educate you, things that you agree with, things that you don't agree with, all kinds of things.
[10:55.240 --> 10:56.840]  That's what the nature of radio really is.
[10:56.980 --> 10:59.460]  Listening to the same things over and over again is bland.
[10:59.460 --> 11:00.120]  It's boring.
[11:00.440 --> 11:00.720]  It's...
[11:00.720 --> 11:01.820]  It's what they want you to do, though.
[11:01.860 --> 11:02.000]  Yeah.
[11:02.080 --> 11:02.840]  It's what they want you to do.
[11:02.840 --> 11:03.320]  It's mainstream.
[11:03.540 --> 11:04.180]  Yeah, it's mainstream.
[11:04.260 --> 11:07.160]  If you listen to the same thing over and over again, you're not going to cause any problems.
[11:07.160 --> 11:09.560]  You're not going to say, hey, why don't you do this instead?
[11:09.700 --> 11:10.700]  Why don't you put this on?
[11:10.800 --> 11:13.200]  Why don't you listen to this that I've heard someplace else?
[11:13.720 --> 11:21.540]  You know, there's an advantage to owning 1,200 radio stations, or however many Clear Channel is up to this week, because you can program them all the same way.
[11:21.640 --> 11:23.740]  You can make sure that they all obey the rules.
[11:23.980 --> 11:28.240]  And it's a lot of power to have, to keep voices out there.
[11:28.320 --> 11:29.120]  Bernie, are you with us?
[11:29.660 --> 11:40.780]  Yes, and as you were saying that, Emmanuel, I was just thinking about Clear Channel's DJ farms, where they have just DJs in cubicles in a big warehouse, office-type scenario.
[11:40.960 --> 11:44.460]  They're doing their DJ thing, and they farm out the audio to the different stations.
[11:45.060 --> 11:46.140]  It's pretty sick.
[11:46.260 --> 11:49.020]  So, these people aren't even in the city that they claim to be in.
[11:49.080 --> 11:50.000]  They're someplace else.
[11:50.000 --> 12:07.240]  I actually, I was doing some research on media and radio things for a paper, and one of the things I came across was this story about this town in the Midwest, where there was a train derailment, and it caused the spilling of anhydrous ammonia, or something like that.
[12:07.240 --> 12:20.260]  And the authorities couldn't get the word out about it, because when they tried to contact the radio stations, the six radio stations in the area, they found out that all of them were owned by Clear Channel, and they were all operated by one person, who they couldn't reach.
[12:20.840 --> 12:25.560]  And all the information was coming from a recording or something.
[12:25.880 --> 12:27.600]  These aren't radio stations anymore.
[12:27.780 --> 12:28.720]  They're music boxes.
[12:28.980 --> 12:30.060]  They're just, it's crap.
[12:30.220 --> 12:31.360]  That's what's happening.
[12:31.600 --> 12:35.480]  One summer, one of the jobs I had, I didn't have control over the radio that we listened to.
[12:35.480 --> 12:38.840]  And you'd hear the same thing, you know, numerous times.
[12:39.220 --> 12:42.180]  Yeah, traffic reports, news, any kind of news.
[12:42.180 --> 12:45.640]  Even music, music, the same song, over and over and over and over again.
[12:45.840 --> 12:45.980]  Yeah.
[12:46.740 --> 12:59.920]  WBAI is the one station in the commercial dial here in New York where you have individuals coming in and espousing all kinds of interesting things, some of which you will agree with, some of which you will disagree with passionately, but it gets you thinking.
[13:00.480 --> 13:05.600]  And that's, that's what it's all about, is the fact that BAI listeners are actually listeners.
[13:06.080 --> 13:11.300]  They don't have the radio on the background, you know, it's not music, it's not elevator, you know, material.
[13:11.660 --> 13:15.840]  No, this is the kind of thing that you, you know, you stop and you listen.
[13:15.960 --> 13:18.540]  We have cab drivers that listen to this, this radio show.
[13:18.540 --> 13:22.420]  So, and, you know, they, they are paying attention to what we're talking about.
[13:22.580 --> 13:25.380]  Their, their passengers are too, whether they want to or not.
[13:26.100 --> 13:33.660]  But the important thing is that everybody has the ability to, to show something, to give back, to say, yes, I'm out here and I'm voting.
[13:33.820 --> 13:36.660]  I'm voting by expressing support for the radio station.
[13:37.160 --> 13:40.440]  And in so doing, you keep the radio station alive.
[13:40.440 --> 13:46.700]  Because if people didn't do that, believe me, this frequency would be taken over in a shot by one of those entities.
[13:46.700 --> 13:52.300]  And you'd be hearing, what is it, country music, middle of the road, album-oriented rock, whatever crap is in style these days.
[13:52.720 --> 14:01.340]  You know, you wouldn't be hearing individual voices, sometimes imperfect thoughts, sometimes people contradicting themselves or just having arguments on the air or taking phone calls.
[14:01.420 --> 14:02.600]  You know, the things that make us human.
[14:03.140 --> 14:04.840]  That's what they don't want you to hear on the radio.
[14:04.840 --> 14:05.940]  They want it to be perfect.
[14:06.060 --> 14:07.360]  They want it to be computer-driven.
[14:07.360 --> 14:16.220]  They want it to be something bland and non-controversial that will just have you keeping it on in the background and not tuning anywhere else and buying the products.
[14:16.420 --> 14:18.520]  Buying the products that they advertise to you.
[14:18.600 --> 14:24.360]  Because that's the real reason why they buy the radio station, so they can make money by selling the advertising.
[14:24.560 --> 14:25.560]  We don't do that here.
[14:25.620 --> 14:26.660]  We don't do any of that.
[14:26.800 --> 14:30.640]  All we do, and it's kind of annoying, I know, is we ask for your support.
[14:30.640 --> 14:32.740]  Because if we didn't do that, we couldn't survive.
[14:33.500 --> 14:34.500]  212-209-2950.
[14:34.500 --> 14:34.980]  212-209-2950.
[14:35.060 --> 14:37.680]  Now you have the facts as to why we have to do this.
[14:38.040 --> 14:41.200]  You have the facts as to why this place is different and unique.
[14:41.660 --> 14:43.760]  So please show us your support.
[14:43.880 --> 14:45.420]  212-209-2950.
[14:45.580 --> 14:47.160]  Who wants to talk about the premiums?
[14:47.160 --> 14:48.380]  And now we need the calls.
[14:48.400 --> 14:50.700]  Well, Bernie, I guess Bernie's not going to talk about the premiums.
[14:51.460 --> 14:52.740]  He got out of that pretty easily.
[14:53.620 --> 14:54.200]  What do we have?
[14:54.200 --> 14:55.520]  I can talk about the premiums.
[14:55.520 --> 14:55.880]  Go ahead, Jeff.
[14:57.140 --> 15:01.340]  We've got the off-the-hook t-shirt for $50.
[15:02.220 --> 15:02.880]  Don't say.
[15:04.020 --> 15:05.560]  I happen to like the t-shirt.
[15:05.620 --> 15:06.580]  Oh, I love the t-shirt.
[15:06.680 --> 15:08.100]  I'm not saying I don't like the t-shirt.
[15:08.100 --> 15:10.660]  I had a little hand in helping to create that, you know.
[15:10.960 --> 15:11.620]  And Bernie is back.
[15:11.720 --> 15:12.140]  Bernie, are you there?
[15:12.820 --> 15:13.160]  Yes.
[15:13.300 --> 15:13.500]  All right.
[15:13.560 --> 15:14.820]  Don't do that again, Bernie.
[15:15.320 --> 15:15.960]  Sorry about that.
[15:15.960 --> 15:16.920]  Gave us a real scare there.
[15:17.040 --> 15:17.500]  Okay, go ahead.
[15:17.940 --> 15:25.120]  And the history that we have today, the groundbreaking information, the double DVD for $75.
[15:26.220 --> 15:27.460]  That's two DVDs.
[15:27.480 --> 15:30.140]  Two DVDs for $75 plus the t-shirt.
[15:30.780 --> 15:32.240]  So that's right there.
[15:32.500 --> 15:33.000]  Wait a minute.
[15:33.080 --> 15:34.020]  Let me see if I got this straight.
[15:34.300 --> 15:40.980]  You're saying for a pledge of $75, you get two DVDs and the t-shirt that we were just talking about.
[15:41.120 --> 15:45.640]  And this is the only time when we do these that you can get the t-shirt.
[15:45.800 --> 15:47.340]  It's not available on our website.
[15:47.460 --> 15:49.000]  So in other words, an hour from now, you won't be able to get this.
[15:49.100 --> 15:50.740]  A week from now, you won't be able to get this.
[15:50.880 --> 15:51.240]  That's correct.
[15:51.240 --> 15:52.820]  Only now you'll be able to get this.
[15:52.940 --> 15:56.440]  And the only way to get this is to call 212-209-2950.
[15:57.040 --> 15:57.620]  That's right.
[15:57.720 --> 15:58.360]  Do I have this right?
[15:58.620 --> 15:59.380]  Yes, you're right.
[15:59.520 --> 16:08.460]  And then for a pledge of $125, you can get two tickets to the Fifth Hope Conference coming up this July.
[16:09.480 --> 16:11.540]  And again, a t-shirt.
[16:11.700 --> 16:13.260]  But Jeff, I'm confused here.
[16:13.420 --> 16:19.280]  The tickets to the conference are pretty much the same price as what we're offering them for here on the radio station.
[16:19.280 --> 16:28.000]  Well, if you actually look at it from that standpoint, you're saving $25 because if you pledged $50 and bought two tickets, you'd be spending $150.
[16:28.240 --> 16:31.760]  Here, you're spending $125 and getting all three items.
[16:31.880 --> 16:33.360]  So how can you afford not to do this?
[16:33.360 --> 16:34.100]  Exactly.
[16:34.400 --> 16:34.840]  Exactly.
[16:35.140 --> 16:35.780]  Okay, I tried.
[16:35.900 --> 16:37.540]  212-209-2950.
[16:37.820 --> 16:43.260]  But the important thing, the common denominator here is that you have to want to support the radio station.
[16:43.260 --> 16:46.220]  You have to want to contribute something to keep us going.
[16:47.240 --> 16:48.720]  That's what we're asking for.
[16:48.820 --> 16:50.940]  We're asking for people who believe in the radio station that much.
[16:50.940 --> 16:52.680]  212-209-2950.
[16:53.540 --> 16:55.180]  And Bernie, are you still with us?
[16:55.520 --> 17:15.060]  Yes, and as you were describing WBAI's non-commercial status, it's refreshing to hear a public radio station or a listener-supported station that does not rely heavily on this corporate underwriting, which is so disgusting, I hear, on other public and listener-supported stations.
[17:15.060 --> 17:19.440]  You know, they might as well just be commercials when they say, supported by this company and that company.
[17:19.640 --> 17:25.280]  It really gets out of hand, and WBAI has really resisted that well, and I appreciate that a lot.
[17:25.460 --> 17:31.360]  Yeah, you know, it's hard to do that because so many things are tied to corporate money these days.
[17:31.840 --> 17:37.100]  But the one thing that I think is something we'll never lose here at the radio station is the individual support.
[17:37.360 --> 17:47.580]  And that individual support, obviously, is locally based for the over-the-air signal, but it's also spreading throughout the rest of the world as people realize what a unique radio station this is.
[17:47.720 --> 18:06.880]  People in different countries, all throughout the United States, all over the world, people are realizing what a cool place this is and how many different voices are heard and why it's important to keep it going, especially in this day and age, especially when you have all kinds of corporate takeovers of media outlets,
[18:07.160 --> 18:14.280]  where you have freedom of speech being restricted in all kinds of different ways, where you have technology basically overshadowing freedom.
[18:14.740 --> 18:16.480]  You need a voice like WBAI.
[18:16.600 --> 18:19.640]  You need a voice like Off the Hook so that you can hear the facts.
[18:20.020 --> 18:21.340]  You may not hear them anyplace else.
[18:21.460 --> 18:22.900]  Think of the things you hear on this radio show.
[18:23.660 --> 18:24.940]  Have you heard them in other places?
[18:25.080 --> 18:26.300]  Have you heard this perspective?
[18:26.500 --> 18:30.940]  Have you heard, you know, some of the threats and dangers that we've discussed over the years?
[18:31.360 --> 18:34.040]  Would you have ever heard anything were it not for this place?
[18:34.100 --> 18:35.120]  You don't hear things like that.
[18:35.200 --> 18:36.960]  You just hear what's mainstream.
[18:36.960 --> 18:39.100]  You know, you don't hear both sides.
[18:39.220 --> 18:40.460]  You don't see both sides of the coin.
[18:40.960 --> 18:47.220]  It's really, I mean, it's stations like this that kind of give you, you know, both, or at least the other side.
[18:47.400 --> 18:47.880]  We try.
[18:48.040 --> 18:48.640]  We definitely try.
[18:48.640 --> 18:51.940]  And, of course, we rely on our listeners to contribute content as well.
[18:52.280 --> 18:53.280]  That's what it's really all about.
[18:53.380 --> 18:55.160]  They don't want content from you at those other places.
[18:55.440 --> 18:56.400]  They want your money.
[18:56.500 --> 18:57.680]  They don't want your opinions.
[18:57.800 --> 19:00.520]  They don't want anything that you really have to offer.
[19:01.040 --> 19:01.780]  I mean, think about it.
[19:01.920 --> 19:05.560]  When's the last time you actually got a say in how another radio station was programmed?
[19:05.560 --> 19:06.800]  Here, you do have that say.
[19:07.020 --> 19:07.800]  You really do.
[19:07.980 --> 19:09.620]  And that's part of the investment.
[19:09.940 --> 19:11.660]  212-209-2950.
[19:12.280 --> 19:13.580]  I don't know if these lights are broken.
[19:13.680 --> 19:15.000]  It doesn't look like calls are coming in, though.
[19:15.080 --> 19:16.140]  I've got to say, we...
[19:16.140 --> 19:17.720]  No, we're a little shy right now.
[19:17.800 --> 19:20.920]  We need people to call in and pledge so we can keep this up.
[19:21.040 --> 19:21.940]  Yeah, Mike is down there now.
[19:21.960 --> 19:23.820]  We sent Mike down to the tally room.
[19:24.280 --> 19:24.760]  There's one.
[19:24.800 --> 19:25.400]  There you go.
[19:25.620 --> 19:25.900]  All right.
[19:35.620 --> 19:37.820]  So, the tally people will be able to help you.
[19:37.900 --> 19:42.280]  And again, if the phone rings and doesn't pick up right away, please don't give up.
[19:42.360 --> 19:45.380]  If it goes through that fast, busy signal, call back.
[19:45.380 --> 19:47.240]  Because we are short-staffed tonight.
[19:47.880 --> 19:50.260]  It doesn't mean that we don't want your call.
[19:50.400 --> 19:52.060]  It just means that we're working very hard.
[19:52.260 --> 19:55.800]  So, please call back if you don't get through the first time.
[19:55.940 --> 19:57.880]  212-209-2950.
[19:57.880 --> 20:04.360]  So, please don't let our short-staffedness affect the completion of your call.
[20:05.200 --> 20:05.780]  All right.
[20:06.020 --> 20:07.400]  212-209-2950.
[20:07.620 --> 20:13.160]  Let's take a look at a couple more pieces of listener mail here.
[20:13.980 --> 20:20.060]  Dear Off the Hook, if I recall correctly, a couple of shows ago, you had mentioned that you believe cell phone jammers will be in place around Hotel Pennsylvania.
[20:20.680 --> 20:22.700]  My main question is, where did you get this information?
[20:22.700 --> 20:24.160]  If you can't answer that, that's fine.
[20:24.160 --> 20:31.760]  But if you're fairly sure that this is going to be the case, maybe ham radio operators can help out with communications, as those frequencies certainly will not be jammed.
[20:32.100 --> 20:36.360]  Maybe a list of operators willing to help that are going to attend the conference can be established just in case.
[20:36.360 --> 20:39.020]  As an operator, I'm certainly willing to help, signed Joe.
[20:39.260 --> 20:42.680]  Well, Joe, I don't think we ever said that they were going to jam our conference.
[20:42.800 --> 20:47.000]  We were talking about the Republican conference, which is taking place across the street about a month or so later.
[20:47.740 --> 20:51.780]  Of course, the possibility always does exist that they will try to jam us in one way or another.
[20:52.400 --> 20:58.180]  But certainly the idea of using ham radio operators is something that's been relied upon in the past.
[20:58.520 --> 21:03.800]  And ham radio operators are among the most dependable group of people out there, wouldn't you say, Bernie?
[21:04.360 --> 21:04.840]  Yes.
[21:05.180 --> 21:12.520]  In fact, if you hear about some natural disaster in some country, even in the U.S.
[21:12.520 --> 21:24.420]  or some other country, typically the first news you hear about what's coming out of the disaster area is from ham radio operators who drill for these things and they practice.
[21:24.720 --> 21:26.940]  Because emergency preparedness is a big part of ham radio.
[21:26.940 --> 21:30.400]  But it's really about playing with technology, communication technology.
[21:30.800 --> 21:32.340]  That's, you know, the main thing.
[21:32.540 --> 21:40.060]  But the point is, when there's a disaster, cell phone communications go down, just like 9-11 in New York.
[21:40.240 --> 21:41.980]  You can get a cell phone call through.
[21:42.740 --> 21:43.640]  Landlines are down.
[21:43.740 --> 21:44.320]  So what do you do?
[21:44.500 --> 21:47.180]  That's really the only medium left.
[21:47.180 --> 21:53.200]  And it continues to thrive, even though some of the technology is dated, it's reliable.
[21:53.520 --> 21:56.720]  So there's all kinds of communications technologies out there.
[21:56.780 --> 22:00.360]  And this show really is largely about communications technologies.
[22:00.740 --> 22:05.820]  And if you want to learn more about it, there's the Dayton Hamvention, which we're heading to this weekend.
[22:06.060 --> 22:09.180]  And hamvention.org is one way to find out more about it.
[22:09.860 --> 22:15.460]  And, Bernie, of course, you are moving very quickly towards the Dayton Hamvention right now in a car.
[22:15.460 --> 22:16.180]  Where are you?
[22:16.280 --> 22:17.220]  Are you still in West Virginia?
[22:17.460 --> 22:19.900]  Still in the wheeling area.
[22:20.120 --> 22:21.740]  We're still wheeling through wheeling.
[22:22.500 --> 22:24.700]  Well, now, what's your next state after that?
[22:24.720 --> 22:25.540]  Ohio, I believe, right?
[22:25.680 --> 22:26.060]  Yes.
[22:26.280 --> 22:30.760]  It's just a sliver of West Virginia inserts itself between Pennsylvania and Ohio.
[22:31.280 --> 22:34.700]  And then on to the vast expanse of Ohio.
[22:35.580 --> 22:35.860]  Okay.
[22:36.000 --> 22:43.740]  And the 2600 van will be making its way out that direction starting tomorrow afternoon and hopefully arriving before Friday morning.
[22:44.960 --> 22:49.000]  Great place to meet the 2600 staffers.
[22:49.440 --> 22:53.000]  So come out, see the 2600 van and the personalities.
[22:53.180 --> 22:55.000]  How long is the total ride from New York?
[22:55.200 --> 22:56.700]  Oh, you didn't drive from New York, though.
[22:57.140 --> 22:58.840]  It takes about 12 hours to get from New York.
[22:59.060 --> 23:01.100]  Yeah, about 12 hours to get from Philadelphia, too, I think.
[23:02.320 --> 23:03.940]  It's a hike, but it's worth it.
[23:03.960 --> 23:04.420]  It's a hike.
[23:04.460 --> 23:07.180]  You'll be going during the day, and there's plenty to see.
[23:07.620 --> 23:10.960]  It's nice to travel cross-country and see the sights.
[23:11.300 --> 23:12.660]  We need to get out more.
[23:12.660 --> 23:15.820]  It's a shame that the gas prices are so obscene.
[23:15.980 --> 23:18.440]  If there are people sitting in the back of the van, I don't know how they're going to see anything.
[23:18.960 --> 23:19.260]  Oh.
[23:19.380 --> 23:19.900]  We don't have any windows.
[23:19.900 --> 23:21.020]  How many people are you taking out?
[23:21.120 --> 23:22.460]  I really shouldn't say over the air.
[23:22.560 --> 23:22.740]  Okay.
[23:22.980 --> 23:23.720]  Yeah, it's probably illegal.
[23:23.840 --> 23:31.760]  But the point is everybody wants to go so much that they're willing to, you know, cram themselves into the van in very uncomfortable conditions.
[23:32.200 --> 23:34.080]  Are they going to rest on the t-shirts?
[23:34.240 --> 23:34.540]  Is that it?
[23:34.820 --> 23:35.140]  Yeah.
[23:35.320 --> 23:37.520]  You know, it's a once-a-year thing.
[23:38.260 --> 23:39.120]  It's well worth it.
[23:39.700 --> 23:40.620]  Bernie, what's your ETA?
[23:40.720 --> 23:41.480]  When do you think you'll arrive?
[23:42.160 --> 23:43.320]  Oh, probably around midnight.
[23:43.980 --> 23:44.340]  Okay.
[23:44.960 --> 23:46.780]  Well, if you keep talking on the radio, yeah, who knows?
[23:48.240 --> 23:53.300]  Yeah, I think Jeff and I ended up there one year about three in the morning.
[23:54.080 --> 23:56.800]  Wasn't that the year you sort of overshot something and wound up...
[23:56.800 --> 23:57.380]  No, no.
[23:57.500 --> 24:02.480]  We just, we decided, you know, we'll wait, we'll pack, we'll, oh, we should have dinner before we go.
[24:02.660 --> 24:05.380]  And I think we left Philadelphia at about nine o'clock.
[24:05.580 --> 24:06.420]  Big mistake.
[24:06.720 --> 24:09.260]  Because I drove all night.
[24:09.580 --> 24:11.640]  But, you know, I really like driving long distances.
[24:11.800 --> 24:14.720]  That's a very relaxing type of a thing to do.
[24:14.720 --> 24:21.200]  And I imagine a lot of people are driving and listening to the radio at the same time locally, but also, well, we don't have the shortwave signal anymore.
[24:21.200 --> 24:22.280]  We only have that for one hour.
[24:22.760 --> 24:27.100]  But, Bernie, you have a special way of being able to listen to things on the Internet while you drive.
[24:27.100 --> 24:27.720]  How does that work?
[24:28.380 --> 24:29.340]  It's pretty amazing.
[24:30.720 --> 24:41.800]  Lynn Holcomb, who's been on the show a few times and will be at it this year, described his Verizon packet radio service.
[24:42.400 --> 24:45.980]  But Sprint PCS has something similar, which is surprisingly reliable.
[24:46.180 --> 24:47.900]  It's actually more reliable than our voice service.
[24:49.660 --> 24:52.460]  The product is called a Sprint PCS connection card.
[24:52.620 --> 24:56.280]  It's basically a PCM-CIA card that, you know, sticks into your laptop.
[24:56.300 --> 25:00.660]  And it's a CDMA cell phone, only it's a data only, not voice.
[25:00.920 --> 25:02.500]  And it gives you...
[25:04.240 --> 25:05.140]  I'm sorry, Bernie.
[25:05.260 --> 25:06.680]  You're going to have to repeat that last word.
[25:08.040 --> 25:08.520]  Bernie?
[25:09.820 --> 25:11.380]  Oh, well, so much for their voice connection.
[25:11.560 --> 25:12.920]  Bernie, I asked you to repeat the last word.
[25:13.900 --> 25:15.500]  Why isn't Bernie doing what I asked him to do?
[25:15.900 --> 25:16.860]  I think he's gone.
[25:17.480 --> 25:18.140]  Well, where'd he go?
[25:18.280 --> 25:18.720]  He's on...
[25:18.720 --> 25:20.120]  Oh, that's just rude.
[25:20.580 --> 25:21.420]  How dare you?
[25:23.720 --> 25:24.760]  Don't you hate that sound?
[25:25.020 --> 25:27.600]  That's the sound of our technology at work these days.
[25:28.020 --> 25:29.660]  That's the sound of our society, in fact.
[25:29.960 --> 25:30.200]  Yeah.
[25:30.620 --> 25:31.240]  Oh, boy.
[25:31.940 --> 25:41.340]  Okay, well, if you don't want to get that sound, I suggest being educated and literate on technological issues and making sure you don't hit a brick wall.
[25:42.480 --> 25:43.960]  Speaking of which, here's...
[25:43.960 --> 25:45.400]  I am trying to get rid of the sound.
[25:45.860 --> 25:46.460]  All right, it's gone.
[25:46.900 --> 25:47.500]  And Mike's back.
[25:47.720 --> 25:48.060]  Mike...
[25:48.060 --> 25:49.120]  We have more people to thank.
[25:49.240 --> 25:50.480]  How are we doing down there?
[25:50.580 --> 25:52.400]  We're doing okay, but we need volunteers.
[25:52.780 --> 25:55.000]  And a couple just walked in.
[25:55.120 --> 25:56.100]  A couple volunteers are in.
[25:56.240 --> 25:56.620]  That's good.
[25:56.700 --> 25:57.740]  But we can always use more.
[25:57.740 --> 25:59.560]  2-1-2-2-0-9-2-9-5-0.
[25:59.720 --> 26:00.300]  We need more calls.
[26:00.500 --> 26:01.980]  Yeah, we need to keep these volunteers busy.
[26:02.300 --> 26:02.920]  Yes, absolutely.
[26:03.260 --> 26:06.840]  And we also need for Adam Frey to please call us back.
[26:06.920 --> 26:08.640]  We don't have your complete information.
[26:09.200 --> 26:09.380]  Okay.
[26:10.480 --> 26:12.400]  2-1-2-2-0-9-2-9-5-0.
[26:12.920 --> 26:13.400]  And go ahead.
[26:13.760 --> 26:16.860]  And we want to thank Dan from New York.
[26:18.300 --> 26:19.340]  Gabrielle from Flushing.
[26:19.600 --> 26:19.800]  All right.
[26:19.860 --> 26:21.300]  The New York callers are coming in now, see?
[26:21.560 --> 26:21.740]  Yep.
[26:22.060 --> 26:24.280]  We have Jeff from Akron, Ohio.
[26:24.500 --> 26:24.980]  There you go.
[26:25.060 --> 26:25.380]  Ohio.
[26:25.380 --> 26:28.280]  Jeff spells his name with a G like our Jeff does.
[26:28.440 --> 26:28.840]  All right.
[26:29.080 --> 26:33.260]  So, we have Dominic from Wales.
[26:33.840 --> 26:35.020]  Wales, the country Wales.
[26:35.240 --> 26:36.340]  Wales in the UK, yeah.
[26:36.560 --> 26:37.140]  That's great.
[26:37.320 --> 26:37.440]  Yeah.
[26:37.800 --> 26:42.020]  You know, that's someplace I passed through it on a train, but I haven't gotten off yet, and I want to.
[26:42.020 --> 26:44.580]  Well, you can maybe visit Dominic.
[26:44.700 --> 27:01.400]  I don't know if I want to volunteer his house just for after he pledges, but we have Greg from Memphis, Brian from Manchester, Connecticut, and an anonymous person who writes that Brooklyn says, hello, be safe.
[27:03.180 --> 27:08.520]  I hope that's a friendly advice and not a warning, but we'll see.
[27:08.940 --> 27:09.700]  Watch you back.
[27:09.820 --> 27:10.100]  Yeah, I know.
[27:11.040 --> 27:12.500]  212-209-2950.
[27:12.680 --> 27:14.020]  Thanks to all those people who called in.
[27:14.080 --> 27:15.900]  Pretty good cross-section of our listeners there.
[27:15.960 --> 27:17.500]  And we're up to 1425.
[27:17.740 --> 27:20.940]  Let's see if we can bring it over 2,000 in the next few minutes.
[27:21.080 --> 27:22.520]  212-209-2950.
[27:23.040 --> 27:27.540]  We have the Freedom Downtime DVD, DVD set, two DVDs.
[27:27.620 --> 27:28.880]  We have, what, Red Hack?
[27:28.980 --> 27:30.100]  We have the shirts, I believe.
[27:30.120 --> 27:30.660]  We have the shirts.
[27:30.700 --> 27:31.540]  The shirts, yeah, for $50.
[27:31.540 --> 27:33.180]  That's really Jeff's peeve.
[27:33.500 --> 27:33.760]  Yeah.
[27:34.060 --> 27:35.820]  Well, I think we all like the shirts.
[27:35.900 --> 27:36.840]  I think we've established that.
[27:37.740 --> 27:38.740]  We have Bernie S.
[27:38.860 --> 27:39.220]  on the phone.
[27:40.740 --> 27:41.300]  Do we?
[27:43.220 --> 27:44.640]  Yes, that's the sound of Bernie S.
[27:44.680 --> 27:45.040]  on the phone.
[27:45.400 --> 27:50.360]  How appropriate that I'm discussing a little reliability of string PCS just as I'm cut off.
[27:50.560 --> 27:51.000]  That's right.
[27:51.000 --> 27:53.420]  Well, you know, I guess Sprint has a good sense of irony.
[27:54.340 --> 27:56.160]  Maybe they didn't want the word to get out.
[27:56.200 --> 27:57.200]  Well, the word's going to get out.
[27:57.280 --> 27:58.760]  You can't stop us from getting the word out.
[27:58.940 --> 28:04.480]  But one other thing that we've got to say is for 125, you get the two tickets to the Fifth Hope Conference coming up in July.
[28:05.120 --> 28:06.420]  As well as, of course, the t-shirts.
[28:06.600 --> 28:08.360]  So, a lot of stuff.
[28:08.540 --> 28:09.460]  A lot of stuff is out there.
[28:09.540 --> 28:11.880]  But the important thing right now is for you to join the people on the phone.
[28:11.960 --> 28:12.260]  Look at that.
[28:12.340 --> 28:12.980]  Look at those phone calls.
[28:12.980 --> 28:14.260]  Those phone calls are coming in now.
[28:14.320 --> 28:16.580]  Let's have a rush in the last half hour.
[28:17.560 --> 28:19.020]  212-209-2950.
[28:19.020 --> 28:21.140]  So, see how high we can make that number go.
[28:21.460 --> 28:23.780]  I want to see if we can get the entire board lit.
[28:24.000 --> 28:25.600]  Do you know what that will do to the people down there?
[28:26.160 --> 28:28.000]  I mean, they'll have nervous breakdowns.
[28:28.220 --> 28:30.140]  Red Hack, why don't you go join them and calm them down.
[28:30.260 --> 28:32.280]  Make sure that nobody runs out screaming.
[28:33.060 --> 28:33.620]  Yeah, look at that.
[28:33.680 --> 28:35.460]  We have four lines ringing at the same time.
[28:35.540 --> 28:37.580]  Now, again, folks, don't just call up to make the phones ring.
[28:37.580 --> 28:42.420]  I mean, you know, we know there are certain people that like to do that, but we don't want to encourage that kind of a thing at all.
[28:42.780 --> 28:48.840]  We need people to pledge show support so that we can continue to have this radio show and this radio station for many, many years to come.
[28:49.060 --> 28:50.460]  212-209-2950.
[28:50.660 --> 28:54.360]  Bernie, why don't you, if you're still there, keep telling us how reliable Sprint is.
[28:54.600 --> 28:55.100]  Oh, yeah.
[28:55.180 --> 28:55.880]  Sorry about that.
[28:55.880 --> 29:01.740]  But, yeah, you can actually have something that's the next best thing or maybe even better than satellite radio.
[29:02.120 --> 29:10.800]  If you have one of these wireless phone company services, either from Verizon or Sprint PCS.
[29:11.000 --> 29:13.940]  I don't know if T-Mobile offers this yet, but I'm sure they will in the future.
[29:14.380 --> 29:23.200]  It's basically packet data service, just like a TCP IP connection, rather slow, maybe 100 kilobits per second.
[29:23.200 --> 29:26.620]  But that's still fine for most streaming audio applications.
[29:26.920 --> 29:32.800]  So I was listening to archived off-the-hook shows.
[29:32.800 --> 29:38.880]  I was listening to streaming WBAI, driving around between...
[29:38.880 --> 29:46.040]  I drove from Philadelphia to New York listening to all kinds of radio stations that were over the web, just streaming audio.
[29:46.040 --> 29:48.800]  And it's buffered in the PC, so it sounded...
[29:48.800 --> 29:50.480]  You know, there were very few dropouts.
[29:50.480 --> 29:55.180]  Even if I lost service, it picks it up automatically a minute later and it's buffered.
[29:55.260 --> 29:56.160]  You don't miss it.
[29:56.580 --> 30:00.980]  So this is a way, you know, the XM and Sirius Satellite Radio, I think, give you...
[30:00.980 --> 30:01.880]  What is it, 100 channels?
[30:02.280 --> 30:03.080]  Something like that.
[30:03.360 --> 30:03.600]  Okay.
[30:03.840 --> 30:12.600]  This literally gives you access to thousands of live audio sources wherever you are, pretty much, whether there's, you know, if there's wireless service.
[30:12.820 --> 30:13.840]  We're not talking about Wi-Fi.
[30:13.840 --> 30:17.700]  We're talking about a wireless carrier like Sprint or Verizon or someone.
[30:18.500 --> 30:22.880]  So you could conceivably be listening to this radio show right now as you're driving in your car.
[30:22.920 --> 30:23.900]  I could be doing that.
[30:23.980 --> 30:29.080]  I could be listening to the live off-the-hook stream through 2600.com.
[30:29.200 --> 30:32.460]  And I just am not set up with the laptop in the car.
[30:32.520 --> 30:33.280]  There's not enough room.
[30:33.500 --> 30:35.120]  I have so much stuff in the car right now.
[30:35.180 --> 30:36.740]  Well, also, you're on the phone, too.
[30:36.840 --> 30:38.360]  You wouldn't be able to do it while you were on the phone, would you?
[30:38.360 --> 30:39.460]  I could, sure.
[30:39.620 --> 30:41.860]  Well, it's not affiliated with your...
[30:41.860 --> 30:44.020]  It's not hooked up with your cell phone.
[30:44.140 --> 30:47.080]  It's a separate account that's just data only.
[30:48.400 --> 30:55.760]  Although it does come with a little application for your PC or Mac that you can plug a headset into it and use it.
[30:56.300 --> 30:59.580]  But they charge you, like, 25 cents a minute for voice service.
[30:59.700 --> 31:01.640]  So it's best just for data only.
[31:01.760 --> 31:03.860]  It's a flat rate, I think, like 80 bucks a month with Sprint.
[31:04.000 --> 31:05.040]  I don't know how much it is with Verizon.
[31:05.200 --> 31:07.560]  But you need your phone to make this happen, don't you?
[31:07.560 --> 31:07.940]  No, you don't.
[31:07.960 --> 31:08.840]  You don't need your phone at all.
[31:08.900 --> 31:09.780]  You don't even need a phone.
[31:10.120 --> 31:12.580]  So how do you actually make the connection?
[31:13.560 --> 31:17.820]  It's one of these PC cards, a PCM-CIA card that plugs into your PC.
[31:18.200 --> 31:19.980]  And there's a little antenna that sticks out of it.
[31:20.320 --> 31:22.360]  And you load the software program.
[31:22.560 --> 31:27.840]  And it establishes an IP connection to the Internet that you can do web browsing.
[31:27.840 --> 31:29.160]  You can do telnet sessions.
[31:29.200 --> 31:30.220]  You can do whatever you want.
[31:30.300 --> 31:31.500]  And what frequencies is it using?
[31:31.900 --> 31:37.360]  It uses the standard Sprint PCS CDMA frequencies in the 1900 mega.
[31:37.560 --> 31:40.560]  So it's like you have a second phone, but it's connected to your computer.
[31:41.220 --> 31:41.660]  Exactly.
[31:42.000 --> 31:43.520]  It's not a phone, really, per se.
[31:43.920 --> 31:47.900]  It's a wireless data connection through your laptop.
[31:48.220 --> 31:50.600]  But you need a Sprint PCS account in order to do this.
[31:50.800 --> 31:52.020]  That or a Verizon account.
[31:52.160 --> 31:53.340]  Verizon has a similar product.
[31:53.500 --> 31:59.060]  It's a card that plugs into your PC that gives you an IP connection to your laptop anywhere they have network coverage.
[31:59.520 --> 32:05.600]  So it's much more expensive than Wi-Fi, but it's much more prevalent.
[32:05.600 --> 32:06.920]  You don't have to look for a hotspot.
[32:08.100 --> 32:10.560]  If you're on an interstate, odds are you're going to have good service.
[32:10.680 --> 32:11.240]  So you can listen.
[32:11.460 --> 32:19.120]  And what I did is I plugged one of these little low-power FM radio transmitters, like from Sea Crane, but there's a lot of other good ones out there.
[32:19.120 --> 32:29.280]  I plugged into the earphone jack, the audio output of the laptop, and I was listening to the streaming audio off the hook through my car stereo, and it sounded great.
[32:29.380 --> 32:36.480]  In fact, you listened in your car to the broadcast that I was emitting from my car.
[32:36.600 --> 32:37.520]  Yeah, that was something else.
[32:37.640 --> 32:45.140]  We were driving through Queens, I believe, and yes, you were listening over the Internet in your car and then transmitting it out somehow.
[32:45.140 --> 32:50.040]  And I was in a different car, able to listen to your signal of you downloading from the Internet.
[32:50.180 --> 32:53.600]  And you were listening to yourself complaining about something on the previous week's show.
[32:54.520 --> 32:55.820]  Yes, that sounds like me.
[32:56.280 --> 32:57.600]  So, I don't know.
[32:57.620 --> 33:00.160]  It was kind of fun making all that technology work together.
[33:00.300 --> 33:06.940]  And it's kind of fun also broadcasting your signal with one of these old FM transmitters to nearby cars who might be tuning in by accident.
[33:07.100 --> 33:08.780]  It's like, what on earth am I listening to?
[33:08.940 --> 33:16.820]  Well, yeah, I mean, you should only do it to frequencies that aren't being used, but I guess there's nothing stopping you from taking over a radio station that somebody else might be listening to.
[33:16.880 --> 33:18.180]  Well, no, not interfering.
[33:18.480 --> 33:20.960]  We were always picking frequencies that weren't really being used in there.
[33:21.100 --> 33:24.280]  But somebody scanning a dial would, like, stumble across this wonder.
[33:26.140 --> 33:27.400]  So, it's a fun...
[33:28.580 --> 33:31.140]  It's a fun use of technology, I think, is what Bernie is trying to say.
[33:31.260 --> 33:31.420]  It is.
[33:32.380 --> 33:38.260]  Which, unfortunately, isn't so much fun for you right now, as he struggles to keep his signal while driving somewhere in West Virginia.
[33:38.260 --> 33:50.180]  Some of the GSM phones can actually do PPP, which is the kind of standard modem protocol, over either infrared or Bluetooth.
[33:50.300 --> 33:57.600]  So, you can just kind of have your phone in the vicinity of a laptop computer and kind of magically get Internet data in and out.
[33:57.820 --> 34:00.380]  My phone doesn't support this, but some of them do.
[34:00.540 --> 34:01.980]  Now, Bernie, you have this with you.
[34:02.020 --> 34:03.460]  You're not using it right now, but you brought it with you.
[34:03.820 --> 34:04.680]  No, I did not.
[34:04.800 --> 34:05.420]  Oh, you did not?
[34:06.080 --> 34:07.720]  Unfortunately, I have it on loan to someone else.
[34:08.320 --> 34:11.480]  I imagine there will be hotspots at the hamvention, but...
[34:11.480 --> 34:13.340]  Because I would have liked to have played with it over there.
[34:13.760 --> 34:14.380]  Sorry about that.
[34:14.380 --> 34:15.520]  Maybe somebody else will have one.
[34:15.920 --> 34:16.980]  It wouldn't surprise me.
[34:17.200 --> 34:19.880]  Well, Lynn may have his service available.
[34:19.880 --> 34:22.080]  He has this, and he's going to be there, so...
[34:22.080 --> 34:26.940]  Okay, well, if Lynn is listening to us now in Switzerland, wherever he is, then please bring it with you.
[34:27.200 --> 34:38.700]  By the way, Lynn has set up a ham radio repeater, or we'll be setting up a ham radio repeater, at the Dayton Hamvention, that we can use to communicate with our ham radios as well.
[34:39.060 --> 34:47.000]  Okay, and this kind of thinking of various ways to play with technology is very similar to the whole hacker spirit.
[34:47.360 --> 34:52.060]  The ham and hacker worlds are very closely related in many ways.
[34:52.160 --> 35:05.500]  So we'd like to see the same kind of ingenuity taking place at our conference in July, and we have a good number of people already working on things, and network people are making all kinds of progress, and we have all sorts of other projects being planned.
[35:05.940 --> 35:17.680]  Since we're not on next week, I figure I'd mention that we do have a volunteer meeting which takes place on the third Friday of the month at the Citigroup Center here in New York City, same time as the meeting which takes place on the first Friday of the month,
[35:17.840 --> 35:19.140]  the normal 2600 meeting.
[35:19.540 --> 35:29.600]  So we just add the second meeting so that anyone else interested in volunteering for the conference has the opportunity to come by and introduce themselves and see if there's something that they'd like to do.
[35:30.320 --> 35:38.400]  And again, that conference is coming up in July, and we're offering tickets to the conference through the radio station tonight, 212-209-2950.
[35:39.340 --> 35:40.900]  Mike, there's a number up on the screen.
[35:40.920 --> 35:42.760]  I just want to ask you, you just came from the tally room.
[35:42.840 --> 35:44.860]  Does that number look correct to you?
[35:44.920 --> 35:46.600]  Is that even possible that we could have done that?
[35:46.800 --> 35:47.700]  It is possible.
[35:48.080 --> 35:49.400]  I mean, that's unbelievable.
[35:49.660 --> 35:53.680]  Were there things waiting to be added, or did somebody call up with a huge donation?
[35:54.480 --> 35:55.940]  I'm pretty flabbergasted here.
[35:56.420 --> 35:57.820]  It's a flabbergasting number.
[35:58.120 --> 36:00.600]  $2,425 we're up to right now.
[36:00.720 --> 36:05.180]  We catapulted right over the 2,000 mark, which I thought we'd have to work a little harder to do.
[36:05.400 --> 36:07.360]  We still have 25 minutes left.
[36:07.600 --> 36:08.720]  We have to get to 3.
[36:08.880 --> 36:10.620]  We have to get to 2,600, of course.
[36:10.800 --> 36:11.160]  Oh, at least.
[36:11.300 --> 36:12.080]  That's the magic number.
[36:12.300 --> 36:16.460]  So you can be the person to propel us over that by calling 212-209-2950.
[36:16.520 --> 36:17.440]  We need calls.
[36:17.740 --> 36:18.880]  There's nothing on the board.
[36:19.320 --> 36:21.960]  That's why I was wondering, how did we get up so high?
[36:22.060 --> 36:24.540]  All those people called in, and then it added up, you see?
[36:24.840 --> 36:25.000]  Yep.
[36:25.320 --> 36:26.980]  Poor Red Hacked is sitting over there.
[36:27.120 --> 36:30.180]  And not to mention the other volunteers, who are also wonderful people.
[36:30.360 --> 36:30.520]  Yeah.
[36:30.740 --> 36:33.560]  Thanks so much for people coming in and volunteering their time.
[36:33.680 --> 36:39.680]  And we're asking you to volunteer a little bit of your time by calling in and offering something to us.
[36:39.680 --> 36:42.040]  And we'll continue offering things to you.
[36:42.180 --> 36:43.620]  Oh, we just went over 2,600.
[36:44.180 --> 36:44.220]  2,625.
[36:44.480 --> 36:45.180]  2,625.
[36:45.340 --> 36:45.900]  How do you like that?
[36:46.580 --> 36:46.960]  Wow.
[36:47.200 --> 36:47.560]  Okay.
[36:47.600 --> 36:50.700]  I'm very happy that people are responding in such good numbers.
[36:51.080 --> 36:53.360]  Very nice to see the listeners are out there.
[36:53.500 --> 36:56.360]  And it does do something to your spirit to know people are out there.
[36:56.400 --> 36:58.000]  That's why we go to the conferences.
[36:58.080 --> 36:59.860]  We try to meet as many people as possible.
[37:00.140 --> 37:03.380]  It does something when you realize that you're not alone out there.
[37:04.840 --> 37:06.160]  212-209-2950.
[37:06.420 --> 37:13.440]  And you'll feel like you're not alone if you call up and share some of what you have with things that you want to preserve.
[37:13.620 --> 37:19.000]  It makes coming into the city from New Jersey, getting drenched in this rain, all worthwhile.
[37:19.080 --> 37:20.840]  Oh, you don't want to know what I had to go through to get here.
[37:20.980 --> 37:21.660]  Oh, boy.
[37:21.860 --> 37:23.280]  I mean, I came from Long Island.
[37:23.380 --> 37:24.420]  Usually I'm in the city already.
[37:24.600 --> 37:25.700]  Today I had to come from Long Island.
[37:25.840 --> 37:29.620]  And everybody was just pitching in to make it as difficult as possible for me to get in here.
[37:30.200 --> 37:35.220]  All the way up to the Wall Street intersection, everybody was kind of trying to block me.
[37:35.280 --> 37:36.100]  But I made it.
[37:36.100 --> 37:38.220]  I made it with eight minutes to spare.
[37:39.400 --> 37:41.400]  I started at four o'clock, you know?
[37:42.040 --> 37:42.480]  Unbelievable.
[37:43.820 --> 37:50.240]  So, yeah, people go to great lengths to get here and to listen and to contribute in various ways.
[37:50.240 --> 37:52.900]  So we're asking for that contribution from you.
[37:53.100 --> 37:55.280]  If you have not called already, please do so.
[37:55.380 --> 37:56.800]  212-209-2950.
[37:57.000 --> 38:00.840]  We're not far away from the 3,000 mark, and that would be something to hit that.
[38:01.060 --> 38:02.940]  That would be very good for us to do that.
[38:03.040 --> 38:04.340]  Something to even surpass it.
[38:04.400 --> 38:05.000]  I think we can.
[38:06.480 --> 38:07.240]  Here we are.
[38:07.440 --> 38:08.620]  We're at 2,700 right now.
[38:08.700 --> 38:13.780]  Won't be with Bernie S.'s help because he has hit another dead zone in his sprint PCS travels.
[38:14.540 --> 38:16.880]  I would like to read a letter that we got.
[38:17.980 --> 38:19.820]  Let me disconnect Bernie there.
[38:20.440 --> 38:21.800]  We get letters all the time.
[38:21.960 --> 38:23.360]  OTH at 2600.com.
[38:24.240 --> 38:32.840]  And, of course, you can write to us regular mail off the hook, care of WBAI, 120 Wall Street, New York, New York.
[38:35.460 --> 38:36.780]  Jim's not here this week, is he?
[38:36.960 --> 38:37.140]  No.
[38:37.380 --> 38:37.600]  Oh.
[38:39.540 --> 38:40.620]  Jim reads the zip code.
[38:40.740 --> 38:41.800]  I don't know what the zip code is.
[38:42.900 --> 38:44.020]  Uh, gee.
[38:44.300 --> 38:47.260]  I think it's 1-0-0-0-5.
[38:47.260 --> 38:47.540]  5.
[38:48.280 --> 38:48.640]  Fireman.
[38:48.780 --> 38:49.600]  Only 1-5, though.
[38:49.680 --> 38:49.900]  1-5.
[38:49.900 --> 38:50.580]  There's only 1-5.
[38:51.200 --> 38:51.420]  All right.
[38:51.600 --> 38:54.520]  1-0-0-0-5.
[38:54.520 --> 38:54.680]  5.
[38:54.940 --> 38:55.320]  Got it.
[38:56.000 --> 38:56.300]  Okay.
[38:57.280 --> 38:57.720]  All right.
[38:57.760 --> 38:58.620]  That was a close call there.
[38:58.680 --> 38:59.940]  I almost didn't know that.
[39:00.100 --> 39:02.680]  Remember when zip codes used to be, uh, you know, optional?
[39:02.900 --> 39:03.620]  Used to be voluntary?
[39:03.620 --> 39:04.500]  Now they're mandatory.
[39:04.800 --> 39:05.600]  See how these things work?
[39:05.820 --> 39:08.400]  Now there's another four digits after your zip code.
[39:08.540 --> 39:08.920]  That's right.
[39:09.140 --> 39:09.980]  And Bernie is back.
[39:10.640 --> 39:14.820]  Yes, and, um, uh, they may be adding more digits to zip codes.
[39:15.100 --> 39:16.760]  How many more digits can they add?
[39:16.800 --> 39:21.720]  Really, it'd be really, really, I think they're going to, say, 10 or 11.
[39:22.080 --> 39:23.420]  I read that a couple years ago.
[39:23.800 --> 39:28.720]  So, um, you'd think that would be enough to have, uh, uh, 5 plus 4, but...
[39:29.260 --> 39:33.040]  If they add any more digits, then I think they should start taking away things like names.
[39:33.040 --> 39:37.000]  And, you know, you just have to write the number and it'll make its way to you.
[39:37.300 --> 39:39.860]  The point would everybody could have their own zip code at that point.
[39:40.580 --> 39:41.600]  I don't like that idea.
[39:41.800 --> 39:42.980]  No, I don't like that idea either.
[39:43.020 --> 39:44.720]  It's called a social security number.
[39:45.120 --> 39:45.660]  That's it.
[39:46.460 --> 39:47.740]  Uh, anyway, let me read this letter.
[39:47.940 --> 39:55.560]  Uh, knowing you folks are, are very interested in things concerning cellular phone service, I'm writing to report an issue my roommate is presently having with his T-Mobile service.
[39:55.820 --> 39:58.520]  Uh, this pertains specifically to voicemail.
[39:58.860 --> 40:03.720]  Earlier this evening, he accessed his voicemail via his handset and was prompted to enter a password.
[40:04.280 --> 40:05.860]  This struck him as odd.
[40:06.000 --> 40:09.540]  Despite my insistence, he doesn't have his voicemail protected with a password.
[40:10.080 --> 40:16.860]  Well, actually, he does have it protected with a password, but he probably has it so that it just logs him in, uh, if he calls from the phone.
[40:16.860 --> 40:23.680]  A lot of phones are like that, where if it sees the caller ID from the phone that you're subscribed at, uh, it'll just bypass the password prompt.
[40:24.340 --> 40:32.420]  Um, anyway, after, uh, conversing with me briefly, we determined that the password was, in fact, the last four digits of his social security number.
[40:32.820 --> 40:35.420]  I suggested he call T-Mobile and ask what was up.
[40:35.560 --> 40:40.560]  However, not being very adept in speaking to customer service reps in such a way as to get right to the point, he let me speak for him.
[40:41.020 --> 40:45.900]  I explained the situation to the rep and, thankfully, got right to the point without having to divulge any account info.
[40:46.480 --> 40:57.840]  According to the rep, there are occasional glitches, her word, not mine, with the voicemail system, which result in the customer being prompted to enter a default password, which are the last four digits of one social security number.
[40:58.000 --> 41:00.300]  I asked, so this is just some random thing?
[41:00.480 --> 41:05.520]  Yes, she replied, this is basically just some random thing, which happens from time to time.
[41:05.700 --> 41:08.560]  I promptly thanked her for her time and ended the call.
[41:08.760 --> 41:21.580]  Uh, personally, I find it appalling enough that a person isn't using a password, but it's even worse when a person chooses not to utilize a password with their voicemail and then can be locked out until they either figure out the default password, which has been applied without their knowledge,
[41:21.740 --> 41:24.560]  or phone customer service to have the problem explained to them.
[41:24.840 --> 41:35.500]  I can only imagine the inconvenience and frustration one might have to deal with were the customer service rep not forthcoming with information in a direct manner, uh, something which, of course, isn't supposed to happen, but we all know does.
[41:35.660 --> 41:40.580]  Furthermore, I am thoroughly disgusted by the fact that the password applied is a portion of one social security number.
[41:41.080 --> 41:53.100]  Consider me alarmist over four digits being sent as touchtone signals over the phone, but touchtones are recognizable, and it's all too common that the last four digits of one social are utilized for default confirmation slash security purposes, etc.
[41:54.220 --> 41:58.660]  Uh, while we're at it, any other major carriers do this sort of thing with random password requirements?
[41:59.520 --> 42:00.240]  Signed, Nickyant.
[42:00.380 --> 42:02.320]  And thank you very much for, uh, for that letter.
[42:02.700 --> 42:05.900]  Uh, yeah, it is kind of troublesome to, to see this kind of thing happen.
[42:06.340 --> 42:24.920]  Uh, in this particular case, um, you know, I, I really think it should be mandatory for people to enter passwords, not have the system where you can bypass the password because, as we all know, caller ID can be spoofed, and somebody can easily get in there as you if you don't have a password set very easily.
[42:24.920 --> 42:29.320]  So there's no need to put the last four digits of your social security number unless you want to do that yourself.
[42:29.680 --> 42:31.820]  But no, it should not be the default password.
[42:31.940 --> 42:33.140]  They shouldn't even have that information.
[42:33.320 --> 42:37.480]  I just had a, a, a fun experience with, uh, the very same company, in fact, T-Mobile.
[42:37.480 --> 42:40.920]  Uh, I was trying to, uh, to add T-Zones to my account.
[42:41.080 --> 42:46.120]  T-Zones is basically where you can connect to the internet, sort of, and, and do fun things.
[42:46.580 --> 42:48.760]  And, uh, well, you wouldn't believe the trouble I had.
[42:49.240 --> 42:55.700]  Uh, years ago, when it was Omnipoint, uh, I, they did not require real social security numbers.
[42:55.840 --> 43:02.520]  You could get an account and just give them, uh, a ten-digit number, and, or a nine-digit number, rather, and that was the end of it.
[43:02.920 --> 43:05.640]  Uh, they didn't run your credit and you had an account.
[43:05.640 --> 43:08.920]  Uh, okay, that doesn't work anymore like that unless you have a prepaid account.
[43:09.260 --> 43:12.520]  Uh, but the point is, I gave them a fake number.
[43:13.140 --> 43:28.640]  So, when I called T-Mobile to add T-Zones to my account, uh, I was transferred to a, a customer service representative, and they asked me, uh, for security purposes, what are the last four digits of your social security number?
[43:29.480 --> 43:36.260]  Uh, and, uh, keep in mind, this was a fake number, and I didn't remember at the time what the number was that I gave.
[43:36.280 --> 43:37.260]  I, I wrote it down.
[43:37.400 --> 43:39.760]  I wrote it down someplace at home.
[43:39.760 --> 43:42.300]  Um, and, and, and we're over $3,000.
[43:42.660 --> 43:43.260]  Thank you so much.
[43:43.360 --> 43:44.240]  3,125.
[43:45.000 --> 43:46.940]  Thank you very much to everybody who's, uh, called in.
[43:48.020 --> 43:49.460]  212-209-2950.
[43:49.620 --> 43:51.900]  RedHack is back, and you're gonna bring out a list of people to thank?
[43:52.020 --> 43:53.240]  Uh, I could go back.
[43:53.240 --> 43:56.380]  Maybe you should go back and get a list of people to thank, because we certainly have a lot of people to thank.
[43:56.480 --> 43:57.060]  Yes, we do.
[43:57.280 --> 43:59.100]  All right, let me, uh, finish my, my, my story here.
[43:59.220 --> 44:03.140]  So, I didn't know the last four digits of the, uh, social security number that I gave them.
[44:09.760 --> 44:14.140]  I said, you know, I don't remember my last, the last four digits of my social security number.
[44:14.240 --> 44:20.360]  I mean, you know, sometimes people don't remember, and I haven't carried a card that had that number on it for many, many years.
[44:20.360 --> 44:21.740]  I don't think you even need that card.
[44:22.420 --> 44:27.040]  So, I asked the, the rep, look, can I give you the first five digits instead?
[44:27.040 --> 44:28.200]  Because I remembered those.
[44:28.560 --> 44:31.160]  I remembered those digits, but I didn't remember the last four.
[44:31.320 --> 44:37.780]  So, isn't it just as much proof that I'm who I say I am if I get the first five right and not the last four?
[44:38.180 --> 44:38.840]  And no.
[44:39.360 --> 44:39.680]  No.
[44:39.680 --> 44:40.900]  No, you cannot do that.
[44:41.280 --> 44:45.220]  You can only give what they ask for, which is the last four digits.
[44:45.380 --> 44:49.120]  They don't want to hear the first five, regardless of the fact that it makes perfect sense.
[44:49.320 --> 44:51.020]  They may not have had the first five.
[44:51.160 --> 44:52.800]  They may only store the last four.
[44:52.840 --> 44:54.380]  But I gave them the whole thing.
[44:54.460 --> 44:55.700]  So they should have it someplace.
[44:56.140 --> 44:56.520]  I agree.
[44:56.660 --> 44:57.200]  They should.
[44:57.460 --> 44:59.460]  In any event, you know, I have my name.
[44:59.580 --> 45:00.200]  I have my address.
[45:00.420 --> 45:02.480]  I have all kinds of other things that they could ask me about.
[45:02.600 --> 45:03.780]  They could even call me on the phone.
[45:03.840 --> 45:05.040]  They could do all kinds of things.
[45:05.680 --> 45:08.820]  And so, you know, it came down to me asking the person, well, you know, what happened?
[45:08.840 --> 45:11.320]  What happens if I never remember those last four digits?
[45:11.620 --> 45:12.740]  What do I do then?
[45:13.420 --> 45:17.420]  And her response to that was, well, sir, you're going to have to remember those last four digits.
[45:18.480 --> 45:20.340]  And I was flabbergasted.
[45:20.480 --> 45:21.260]  I was speechless.
[45:21.440 --> 45:25.040]  There was nothing I could say to counter this logic or lack thereof.
[45:25.680 --> 45:29.420]  And I just sort of, you know, said, okay, fine.
[45:29.560 --> 45:31.260]  And thanked her and got off the phone.
[45:31.360 --> 45:35.180]  And then for the next hour or so, I just tried to remember what those four digits were.
[45:35.180 --> 45:38.020]  And I kept calling the automated system and guessing what the numbers were.
[45:38.160 --> 45:41.200]  And eventually, after like 20 or so tries, I got it right.
[45:41.200 --> 45:43.700]  And I was able to get in and make the changes that I wanted to make.
[45:44.260 --> 45:48.440]  But it just was unbelievable, the obstinance that you meet and the stupidity.
[45:49.480 --> 45:51.640]  And all in the name of security.
[45:51.880 --> 45:52.820]  That's not security.
[45:53.040 --> 46:00.760]  That's not security by obstinately asking the same question and not having any kind of way around it in case it doesn't work out.
[46:00.760 --> 46:02.400]  It's not secure at all.
[46:02.560 --> 46:04.400]  And anybody could get those digits very easily.
[46:04.640 --> 46:06.880]  I've had people tell me my digits over the phone, too.
[46:07.000 --> 46:07.880]  So they're not that secure.
[46:08.560 --> 46:09.320]  Emmanuel, listen.
[46:09.460 --> 46:11.820]  We've got another about 15 minutes to go.
[46:12.040 --> 46:14.220]  We're at 3,375.
[46:14.300 --> 46:14.920]  Oh, my goodness.
[46:15.220 --> 46:21.840]  So if we get five people to call and get HOPE tickets, we can break four grand.
[46:22.700 --> 46:24.280]  I think these listeners can do it.
[46:24.340 --> 46:25.720]  That's a pretty tough talk there, Jeff.
[46:26.100 --> 46:27.040]  I'm from Jersey.
[46:27.160 --> 46:27.520]  What do you expect?
[46:27.520 --> 46:27.880]  I'm from Jersey.
[46:28.100 --> 46:28.420]  It's showing.
[46:28.620 --> 46:30.540]  Okay, well, I'm on.
[46:30.780 --> 46:30.960]  Okay.
[46:30.960 --> 46:34.340]  If you think our listeners can pull this off...
[46:34.340 --> 46:34.520]  I do.
[46:34.620 --> 46:34.980]  I do.
[46:35.220 --> 46:37.540]  I'll throw my hat in the ring and say, yeah, I agree with you.
[46:37.720 --> 46:37.960]  Okay.
[46:38.480 --> 46:40.300]  Let's get some calls in here now.
[46:41.240 --> 46:42.520]  I'm not wearing a hat tonight.
[46:43.460 --> 46:43.980]  All right.
[46:44.080 --> 46:45.080]  Well, you're lucky then.
[46:45.280 --> 46:46.260]  The number's 212.
[46:47.600 --> 46:48.320]  Help me out.
[46:49.500 --> 46:49.900]  209.
[46:50.440 --> 46:50.840]  2950.
[46:51.120 --> 46:52.460]  Maybe you need to call this number, Jeff.
[46:53.520 --> 46:54.900]  212-209-2950.
[46:54.920 --> 46:55.880]  I always walk in there and just write my checks.
[46:55.880 --> 46:59.420]  The country code, by the way, is 1 for people who are calling from...
[46:59.420 --> 46:59.580]  Yes.
[46:59.580 --> 47:06.940]  In case someone in the world somewhere doesn't know that USA is 1, let us ingrain it into your head in yet another way, the phone number.
[47:07.400 --> 47:08.280]  It begins with 1.
[47:08.400 --> 47:09.060]  Country code 1.
[47:09.540 --> 47:12.260]  We're up to 3,500 bucks and that's terrific.
[47:12.420 --> 47:13.100]  We're 500 away.
[47:13.320 --> 47:18.200]  So, Jeff, for us to do this, we just need, what, five people calling in, pledging for the hope tickets.
[47:18.400 --> 47:19.040]  Actually, four.
[47:19.360 --> 47:20.720]  Four people calling in, pledging for the hope tickets.
[47:20.720 --> 47:21.360]  Five would be good.
[47:21.540 --> 47:22.500]  Because four times 25 is another...
[47:22.500 --> 47:23.180]  125, yeah.
[47:23.180 --> 47:23.300]  Yeah.
[47:23.640 --> 47:24.020]  That would do it.
[47:24.020 --> 47:24.560]  Four people calling in.
[47:24.660 --> 47:25.160]  Four more people.
[47:25.420 --> 47:26.820]  Four calls can do this.
[47:26.940 --> 47:29.660]  It also says underneath the calculator, a hacksaw crew.
[47:29.860 --> 47:32.020]  And I don't really know what that means.
[47:32.280 --> 47:32.820]  I don't know either.
[47:32.860 --> 47:34.060]  I thought it said thank you crew.
[47:34.840 --> 47:35.980]  Hacksaw crew from...
[47:35.980 --> 47:36.500]  From Arizona.
[47:36.720 --> 47:38.980]  From Arizona pledged something.
[47:39.680 --> 47:39.880]  Okay.
[47:41.180 --> 47:41.580]  Pledged.
[47:41.700 --> 47:41.900]  All right.
[47:41.960 --> 47:42.420]  Thank you for that.
[47:42.520 --> 47:42.720]  For that.
[47:42.780 --> 47:43.680]  No, thank you for the people in Arizona.
[47:43.680 --> 47:48.340]  We're so thankful that we'll even say the word hacksaw, even though I generally don't like it.
[47:48.340 --> 47:49.020]  All right.
[47:49.140 --> 47:51.340]  Well, we like people calling in and showing support.
[47:51.460 --> 47:51.920]  And that's...
[47:51.920 --> 47:55.080]  We'll say any word you want, as long as the FCC doesn't breathe down our neck for saying it.
[47:55.820 --> 47:57.080]  212-209-2950.
[47:57.220 --> 48:00.680]  Again, for the pledge of 125, you get two tickets to the Fifth Hope Conference.
[48:01.680 --> 48:05.320]  And we expect a lot of people to show up for this.
[48:05.440 --> 48:06.420]  We have Steve Wozniak.
[48:06.520 --> 48:07.480]  We have Kevin Mitnick.
[48:07.580 --> 48:08.560]  We have Jello Biafra.
[48:08.560 --> 48:14.820]  We have all kinds of neat people, people submitting speaker ideas and panel ideas.
[48:14.960 --> 48:16.800]  You can still do that yourself if you're interested.
[48:17.320 --> 48:22.680]  The email address, 5H-Speakers at 2600.com.
[48:22.860 --> 48:27.720]  Simply tell us what you'd like to cover, who you are, if you've done this kind of thing before.
[48:28.400 --> 48:32.400]  And we'll see what we can do about getting you as part of the speaking program.
[48:32.660 --> 48:35.400]  And Bernie, we've had quite a lot of good talks at these conferences over the years, haven't we?
[48:36.400 --> 48:36.800]  Bernie?
[48:38.120 --> 48:39.340]  I think we lost him.
[48:39.720 --> 48:42.080]  Or does he not agree that we had some good talks?
[48:42.320 --> 48:42.640]  I'm sure he would agree.
[48:42.640 --> 48:43.740]  Well, you know, a lot of these talks were you, Bernie.
[48:43.920 --> 48:44.740]  Bernie, you were talking to him.
[48:44.740 --> 48:44.780]  That's right.
[48:44.780 --> 48:45.600]  He's been part of them.
[48:45.720 --> 48:49.580]  Yeah, so before you give me the silent treatment here, I think maybe you should think about that.
[48:50.600 --> 48:50.960]  Yeah.
[48:51.300 --> 48:53.320]  And maybe Bernie will be talking at the conference, too.
[48:54.580 --> 48:54.900]  Uh-huh.
[48:55.960 --> 48:56.500]  All right.
[48:56.780 --> 48:57.340]  All right, fine.
[48:57.440 --> 48:58.500]  Two can play at that game, Bernie.
[48:59.700 --> 49:03.360]  How often does Steven Wozniak come to this part of the country to speak?
[49:03.700 --> 49:04.800]  I'm not sure, to be honest.
[49:04.860 --> 49:05.740]  I know he likes New York.
[49:05.740 --> 49:07.980]  I know he's a big fan of the city.
[49:08.400 --> 49:11.100]  So I would imagine every opportunity he gets, he would be here.
[49:11.200 --> 49:13.580]  But the fact that he's coming to our conference is a real honor.
[49:14.020 --> 49:15.820]  And something that, you know...
[49:15.820 --> 49:16.260]  It's a coup.
[49:17.240 --> 49:18.540]  It's amazing is what it is.
[49:18.640 --> 49:19.180]  It really is.
[49:19.300 --> 49:29.000]  And I'm pleased as punch that he's going to be in attendance and talking to the attendees at the conference, as well as Kevin Mitnick and Jell-O and all the others.
[49:29.200 --> 49:30.280]  And Red Hat, you're back.
[49:30.520 --> 49:32.420]  And we have news from the front.
[49:32.580 --> 49:36.760]  Well, of all the people that donated, Aaron would like to be thanked.
[49:37.260 --> 49:37.600]  Okay.
[49:37.780 --> 49:38.240]  Thank you, Aaron.
[49:38.460 --> 49:39.280]  Thank you very much, Aaron.
[49:39.280 --> 49:42.860]  Where is Aaron from Tempe, Arizona?
[49:43.080 --> 49:43.380]  Tempe.
[49:43.520 --> 49:43.960]  Yes, Tempe.
[49:44.020 --> 49:44.660]  Tempe, Arizona.
[49:44.960 --> 49:48.240]  Thank you very much for that call, for your show of support there.
[49:48.380 --> 49:49.360]  Makes all the difference in the world.
[49:49.540 --> 49:51.120]  But we're still at $3,500, Jeff.
[49:51.220 --> 49:51.560]  I don't know.
[49:51.660 --> 49:52.920]  We only have about 10 minutes left.
[49:52.920 --> 49:53.480]  No one's calling.
[49:53.640 --> 49:54.740]  I have no calls on the line.
[49:54.820 --> 49:55.320]  We will.
[49:55.680 --> 49:57.120]  Maybe you have to up the ante a little bit.
[49:57.120 --> 49:57.900]  Imagine $3,600.
[49:58.240 --> 50:00.160]  That would be like $2,600.
[50:00.500 --> 50:01.780]  You don't have to be from New Jersey.
[50:01.920 --> 50:03.340]  Maybe New Jersey is all tapped out.
[50:03.680 --> 50:04.360]  I don't think so.
[50:04.360 --> 50:06.560]  Maybe all the generous people in New Jersey have already called.
[50:06.640 --> 50:07.620]  Maybe there's nobody left.
[50:07.800 --> 50:09.940]  They may be soggy, but they're not tapped out.
[50:10.140 --> 50:10.520]  All right.
[50:10.640 --> 50:11.780]  Well, let's hear from them then.
[50:11.780 --> 50:14.560]  Let's hear from people in other parts of the country and the world.
[50:14.720 --> 50:14.900]  It's raining over there, Mike.
[50:15.720 --> 50:16.200]  Everybody's wet.
[50:16.240 --> 50:19.180]  It's raining everywhere, but that shouldn't stop anybody.
[50:19.400 --> 50:21.920]  They should be sitting at home listening to their radio and pledging.
[50:21.920 --> 50:26.840]  Or calling from their car, you know, listening over the Internet, listening...
[50:26.840 --> 50:27.920]  Using the hands-free.
[50:28.220 --> 50:28.480]  Yeah.
[50:28.620 --> 50:31.020]  You know, I forgot to free up Bernie's line, so he's been trying to call back.
[50:31.020 --> 50:31.740]  He hasn't been getting through.
[50:32.320 --> 50:32.900]  Sorry, Bernie.
[50:33.020 --> 50:33.880]  Give it another try.
[50:33.940 --> 50:34.780]  Of course, he can't even hear us.
[50:35.140 --> 50:37.140]  212-209-2950.
[50:37.420 --> 50:46.720]  Yes, it means that much that even while you're driving to Ohio, you still call into the radio show to take part in a special fundraising edition of Off the Hook.
[50:46.840 --> 50:49.300]  Well, what better is there to do while driving to Ohio?
[50:49.300 --> 50:53.700]  We're up to $3,500, which has exceeded our expectations for this two-hour period.
[50:54.100 --> 50:55.220]  Again, we're not on next week.
[50:55.280 --> 50:56.240]  We're not on the week after that.
[50:56.320 --> 50:57.640]  We won't be on again until June.
[50:58.120 --> 51:01.700]  So, if you're going to call up and show your support, this is the time to do it.
[51:01.760 --> 51:03.940]  We have two basic pledge levels.
[51:04.080 --> 51:05.840]  We actually have an infinite number of pledge levels.
[51:05.920 --> 51:09.640]  You can pledge whatever you feel like, and every bit is appreciated.
[51:09.880 --> 51:10.500]  Two premium levels.
[51:10.500 --> 51:21.780]  Yeah, I'll say three, because for 50 and above, you'll get the Off the Hook t-shirt, which will show to the world that you appreciate Off the Hook and WBAI and all kinds of cool things like that, and you can't get it anyplace else.
[51:22.060 --> 51:25.540]  Wearing this shirt defines you as a listener.
[51:26.200 --> 51:27.460]  There's just no two ways about it.
[51:27.520 --> 51:28.960]  People can't wear this shirt unless they listen.
[51:29.440 --> 51:30.600]  It's not available on stores.
[51:30.640 --> 51:31.640]  It's not available on the website.
[51:31.920 --> 51:33.100]  It won't be available in Dayton?
[51:33.340 --> 51:34.320]  Won't be available in Dayton.
[51:34.320 --> 51:40.680]  You can't buy it from us for any price, only through the fundraiser, 212-209-2950.
[51:40.800 --> 51:41.880]  Every pledge, $50 or more.
[51:42.060 --> 51:58.900]  For $75, you get that, plus the Freedom Downtime DVD set, two DVDs of the documentary film Freedom Downtime, about Kevin Mitnick, the hacker community, 2600, filled with all kinds of extra footage and how many translations, Mike?
[51:59.380 --> 51:59.840]  20.
[52:00.460 --> 52:00.740]  19.
[52:00.860 --> 52:01.520]  19 translations.
[52:01.520 --> 52:08.520]  Okay, 19 different languages, including such amazing languages as Estonian and Finnish and Dutch.
[52:09.500 --> 52:12.220]  And Farsi and Hebrew, which caused us no end of trouble.
[52:12.840 --> 52:14.360]  Yeah, because they go the other direction, right?
[52:14.380 --> 52:14.520]  Yeah.
[52:14.620 --> 52:16.400]  And didn't Farsi come up with the Apple logo?
[52:16.400 --> 52:17.860]  We got rid of the Apple logo, finally.
[52:18.040 --> 52:18.840]  Yeah, thanks to Mike.
[52:18.920 --> 52:20.680]  We figured out how to get away from that.
[52:20.900 --> 52:25.360]  But there's all kinds of issues that came up, but we're getting through them, or we've gotten through them all.
[52:26.280 --> 52:29.120]  And the DVD is now ready.
[52:29.520 --> 52:36.100]  So if you call up, you'll be the first person in your area to get one, that's for sure, unless somebody else in your area calls up, too.
[52:36.780 --> 52:38.340]  212-209-2950.
[52:38.560 --> 52:45.100]  So the Freedom Downtime DVD also includes an interview with Kevin Mitnick, includes all kinds of deleted scenes, and lost footage.
[52:45.620 --> 52:46.620]  Not just DVDs.
[52:46.640 --> 52:47.320]  DVDs, yes.
[52:47.520 --> 52:48.520]  There's two DVDs here.
[52:48.680 --> 52:49.780]  We have director's commentary.
[52:50.160 --> 52:55.080]  We have more things on this DVD than I think anyone has ever put on a DVD before.
[52:55.660 --> 52:56.080]  All right?
[52:56.200 --> 52:57.740]  I don't say that lightly.
[52:57.940 --> 53:00.460]  I don't say that like I'm making idle boasts here.
[53:00.600 --> 53:01.660]  I really believe it.
[53:01.780 --> 53:07.420]  I really believe you'll be hard-pressed to find any DVD collection that does this much with the technology.
[53:07.420 --> 53:09.820]  Because when we play with something, we have to play with it to the max.
[53:10.380 --> 53:10.660]  All right?
[53:10.680 --> 53:11.460]  You can be a part of that.
[53:11.460 --> 53:16.640]  You can be on the other end of that and see all kinds of fun things that are inserted into this collection.
[53:16.780 --> 53:18.580]  That's $75 for the DVD collection.
[53:20.260 --> 53:28.100]  $125, you'll get the two tickets to the Fifth Hope Conference taking place July 9th through 11th, New York City, Hotel, Pennsylvania.
[53:28.400 --> 53:28.900]  And people are coming.
[53:29.000 --> 53:35.240]  I mean, just one of the pledges I happened to take happened to be pretty far away in the States, and they wanted those tickets.
[53:35.460 --> 53:35.660]  Yeah.
[53:35.800 --> 53:37.040]  People are coming from all over the world.
[53:37.160 --> 53:37.540]  I mean, it's...
[53:38.360 --> 53:39.420]  It's a big thing.
[53:39.420 --> 53:49.260]  People are planning their lives around it, as well they should, because it's going to be really cool, really cool, with Waz and Kevin and Jello and a cast of thousands.
[53:49.380 --> 53:50.120]  And Bernie is back.
[53:50.480 --> 53:51.680]  What are we up to, Emmanuel?
[53:51.860 --> 53:54.560]  We are up to $3,500, if you can believe that.
[53:54.720 --> 53:55.560]  That's amazing.
[53:55.560 --> 53:56.160]  Isn't that something?
[53:56.480 --> 54:06.840]  And Jeff has pretty much issued an ultimatum that he is demanding that people from all over, but mostly New Jersey, call up and pledge.
[54:06.940 --> 54:17.960]  If four people pledge for the Hope tickets, we will break $4,000, which basically, when we walk out tonight, people will stand and look at us and say, look at that.
[54:18.100 --> 54:18.780]  Look at those people go.
[54:18.880 --> 54:20.260]  They made $4,000 tonight.
[54:20.480 --> 54:21.620]  In two hours.
[54:21.620 --> 54:22.360]  In two hours.
[54:22.860 --> 54:24.460]  And we do have some calls coming through.
[54:24.480 --> 54:26.540]  And we're going to win a new kind of respect here at the radio station.
[54:26.820 --> 54:34.020]  And, of course, people who can't afford $125, if 10 people pledge $50 and get the T-shirt, that will push us over.
[54:34.100 --> 54:34.640]  That's right.
[54:34.760 --> 54:35.100]  That's right.
[54:35.240 --> 54:36.100]  Every little bit counts.
[54:36.200 --> 54:38.680]  That's what we always try to point out here.
[54:38.920 --> 54:42.960]  That's how the radio station has existed for so long, because every little bit counts.
[54:43.500 --> 54:45.800]  You know, we don't have the million-dollar grants.
[54:45.800 --> 54:48.180]  We don't have the corporate underwriting.
[54:48.460 --> 54:49.680]  We don't have the commercials.
[54:49.800 --> 54:51.000]  We don't want them.
[54:51.000 --> 54:51.900]  We want you.
[54:52.140 --> 54:52.880]  We want our listeners.
[54:53.120 --> 54:57.960]  We want our investors in the radio to keep us going, because that keeps us honest.
[54:58.120 --> 54:59.840]  That keeps us able to talk about such things.
[54:59.980 --> 55:01.840]  We criticize companies all the time.
[55:01.960 --> 55:03.260]  We criticize governments all the time.
[55:03.680 --> 55:05.580]  You see how it is in the mainstream world.
[55:05.580 --> 55:08.960]  You can't even distribute a film if it's controversial.
[55:09.020 --> 55:12.960]  You can't put things on television if it might offend somebody someplace.
[55:13.200 --> 55:18.260]  And you certainly can't talk on the radio if you're sponsored by one of the companies you're talking about.
[55:18.260 --> 55:19.440]  Simple enough.
[55:20.120 --> 55:22.200]  That's why you need stations like WBAI.
[55:22.340 --> 55:26.660]  And unfortunately, there probably isn't one in your local community.
[55:26.660 --> 55:28.140]  But there's one right here.
[55:28.420 --> 55:29.500]  And it needs your help.
[55:29.720 --> 55:31.320]  212-209-2950.
[55:32.340 --> 55:33.440]  $3,500 still.
[55:33.460 --> 55:34.780]  But we are getting a couple of calls.
[55:34.900 --> 55:35.060]  Yeah.
[55:35.060 --> 55:36.700]  We'll probably get a tally after.
[55:36.800 --> 55:37.280]  It catches up.
[55:37.280 --> 55:42.240]  Well, you have about three minutes left before we have to move out of here before the next show comes in.
[55:42.280 --> 55:44.060]  So let's see a flurry of calls.
[55:44.160 --> 55:46.480]  That way we'll have a good sense that we're above the 4,000 mark.
[55:46.640 --> 55:53.360]  And maybe the people in the tally room would get us up there before we have to sign off.
[55:53.420 --> 55:54.800]  Not at the risk of safety, though.
[55:54.920 --> 55:55.140]  Oh, no.
[55:55.220 --> 56:02.300]  We don't want people to move so fast that they hurt themselves or they count wrong or anything like that.
[56:02.300 --> 56:04.180]  Or they don't take the phone calls that are coming in.
[56:05.000 --> 56:06.280]  212-209-2950.
[56:06.500 --> 56:08.240]  Last couple of minutes, please show your support.
[56:08.360 --> 56:10.320]  And thanks so much to everybody who has called in so far.
[56:12.500 --> 56:14.140]  Well, no one's calling, though.
[56:14.780 --> 56:15.360]  No one's calling.
[56:15.460 --> 56:15.980]  There's some lights.
[56:16.660 --> 56:17.680]  Yeah, no one's calling right now.
[56:17.820 --> 56:19.800]  Well, one of those lights is just broken.
[56:20.460 --> 56:21.140]  Yeah, we knew that.
[56:21.220 --> 56:22.280]  Well, two of them seem to be broken.
[56:22.360 --> 56:23.580]  No, there's another light.
[56:23.580 --> 56:24.580]  All right, there's someone calling.
[56:25.240 --> 56:26.520]  Why do they show up on line 12?
[56:26.680 --> 56:27.240]  That's what I understand.
[56:27.400 --> 56:28.340]  It should show up on line 1.
[56:28.500 --> 56:32.140]  It's crazy in there because when I was taking calls before, you have to jump all over the room.
[56:32.140 --> 56:33.400]  Because you never know which phones.
[56:33.840 --> 56:36.540]  I think they got plugged in in some kind of crazy random order.
[56:36.940 --> 56:38.560]  All right, we have two phones ringing right now.
[56:38.660 --> 56:42.360]  This is the internet crowd calling in, I think, because they hear us three minutes after we say something.
[56:43.040 --> 56:48.840]  So if we can get another couple of lines lit, that will pretty much assure us that we'll get over the 4,000 mark.
[56:49.640 --> 56:52.240]  So some last words, folks, to get those calls coming in.
[56:53.880 --> 56:54.680]  Well, it's...
[56:54.680 --> 56:56.200]  I mean, it's a great station.
[56:56.380 --> 56:58.000]  It's definitely worth it.
[56:59.600 --> 57:01.180]  Keep the programming on the air.
[57:01.720 --> 57:04.280]  And we'll be back in, let's... how many?
[57:04.380 --> 57:04.720]  Two weeks?
[57:04.940 --> 57:06.860]  We'll be back the first week of June, I believe.
[57:07.120 --> 57:07.220]  Yeah.
[57:07.700 --> 57:09.680]  And you'll have many stories to tell.
[57:09.860 --> 57:10.200]  I should.
[57:10.340 --> 57:10.540]  From Dayton.
[57:10.800 --> 57:12.160]  I should have a lot of stories by then.
[57:13.120 --> 57:16.820]  I hope to have all kinds of adventures driving out there in the 2600 van.
[57:17.020 --> 57:17.620]  I understand.
[57:17.720 --> 57:21.680]  I'm told that there are two comets visible now at night.
[57:22.020 --> 57:22.760]  Obviously at night.
[57:23.160 --> 57:26.340]  And we're going to try to stop in the middle of Pennsylvania and see these two comets.
[57:26.340 --> 57:30.200]  Because it will be the middle of the night by the time we can get anywhere.
[57:30.340 --> 57:32.920]  Well, you know, you have to be kind of leisurely with these...
[57:32.920 --> 57:36.900]  If it's a 12-hour drive and we leave in the afternoon, we're not getting there until...
[57:37.300 --> 57:38.260]  I'm going to be up all night.
[57:38.320 --> 57:46.420]  If anybody sees me on Friday, I'm going to be a zombie because I'll be up all night driving and then I'll be up all day at the Hamvention.
[57:46.420 --> 57:49.640]  And if you see the van on the road, give us a honk to make sure, you know...
[57:49.640 --> 57:51.900]  Yes, but again, not at the expense of safety.
[57:52.040 --> 57:53.220]  Remember, safety first.
[57:53.400 --> 57:56.140]  I meant to make sure that we're awake and not driving off the road.
[57:56.540 --> 57:56.640]  Yeah.
[57:57.840 --> 57:59.580]  212-209-2950.
[57:59.580 --> 58:02.780]  We have two calls on the line and we have the next show coming in.
[58:02.900 --> 58:08.780]  So we're going to thank those people for calling in and hope that more calling to bring us over the 4000 mark.
[58:09.120 --> 58:10.300]  Bernie, drive carefully.
[58:10.380 --> 58:10.840]  Where are you now?
[58:11.760 --> 58:14.820]  Stopped in Wheeling by that beautiful bridge that they just reconstructed.
[58:14.820 --> 58:21.080]  And I want to thank all the listeners who pledged and for the continued support over the years from everyone who's listened and called in.
[58:21.340 --> 58:24.880]  This is a really worthwhile station and I'm proud to be on it.
[58:25.580 --> 58:26.720]  Okay, Bernie, thank you very much.
[58:26.720 --> 58:27.420]  We'll see you in a day.
[58:27.940 --> 58:30.160]  And we'll see the rest of you in three weeks.
[58:31.280 --> 58:32.180]  And thanks, Jeff.
[58:32.300 --> 58:32.660]  Thanks, Mike.
[58:32.760 --> 58:33.820]  Thanks, Red Hat, for coming in.
[58:33.820 --> 58:33.940]  You're welcome.
[58:34.220 --> 58:34.560]  Being a part of this.
[58:34.740 --> 58:38.940]  And thank you to all the listeners for showing support, getting us up to the 4000 mark tonight.
[58:39.980 --> 58:42.720]  Close with Rolling Stones, who wrote this song just for us.
[58:42.860 --> 58:43.600]  It's called Off the Hook.
[58:44.320 --> 58:46.620]  All right, maybe they didn't, but they could have.
[58:46.780 --> 58:47.360]  You never know.
[58:47.920 --> 58:48.420]  See you next week.
[58:48.540 --> 58:49.900]  Or no, see you in three weeks.
[58:50.440 --> 58:52.060]  And see you in two days if you're in Dayton.
[58:52.260 --> 58:52.480]  Good night.
[58:54.100 --> 58:55.560]  It's out of the hook.
[58:57.220 --> 58:58.700]  It's out of the hook.
[59:07.140 --> 59:10.720]  Talking so long she hasn't set my mind.
[59:13.180 --> 59:16.640]  Why are you talking such a long time?
[59:19.580 --> 59:21.160]  Maybe she's leaving.
[59:21.520 --> 59:22.920]  Maybe she's here.
[59:51.120 --> 59:54.480]  Don't want to stay afraid of what I find.
[59:57.100 --> 01:00:00.460]  I'm tired of letting her upset me all the time.
[01:00:03.320 --> 01:00:06.760]  Back in the bed, start reading my book.
[01:00:09.480 --> 01:00:12.520]  Take my phone out of the hook.
[01:00:12.680 --> 01:00:13.480]  It's off the hook.
[01:00:15.320 --> 01:00:16.620]  It's off the hook.
[01:00:18.420 --> 01:00:19.800]  It's off the hook.
[01:00:21.520 --> 01:00:22.860]  It's off the hook.
[01:00:24.900 --> 01:00:26.040]  It's off the hook.
[01:00:27.920 --> 01:00:29.040]  It's off the hook.
[01:00:30.980 --> 01:00:32.120]  It's off the hook.
[01:00:34.180 --> 01:00:35.300]  It's off the hook.
[01:00:37.380 --> 01:00:38.480]  It's off the hook.
[01:00:40.560 --> 01:00:41.660]  It's off the hook.
[01:00:43.700 --> 01:00:44.740]  It's off the hook.
[01:00:47.300 --> 01:00:48.140]  Are you ready?
[01:00:48.320 --> 01:00:49.160]  I'm ready to go.
[01:00:49.260 --> 01:00:50.000]  Got your passport?
[01:00:50.240 --> 01:00:50.580]  Yes.
[01:00:50.800 --> 01:00:51.280]  Got yours?
[01:00:51.280 --> 01:00:51.660]  Yes.
[01:00:51.940 --> 01:00:52.660]  Pack the vitamins?
[01:00:52.820 --> 01:00:53.200]  I did.
[01:00:53.440 --> 01:00:53.800]  Toothbrush?
[01:00:54.020 --> 01:00:54.300]  Sure.
[01:00:54.580 --> 01:00:57.340]  Did you buy your mother a WBAI silver membership package?
[01:00:57.500 --> 01:00:59.260]  A tote bag, mug, and cap?
[01:00:59.400 --> 01:01:00.100]  Yeah, that one.
[01:01:00.200 --> 01:01:01.140]  A whole ball of wax.
[01:01:01.220 --> 01:01:01.640]  I forgot.
[01:01:01.860 --> 01:01:02.260]  You forgot?
[01:01:02.400 --> 01:01:03.680]  I'll do it when we get back.
[01:01:03.740 --> 01:01:04.640]  You can do it now.
[01:01:04.820 --> 01:01:05.040]  Now?
[01:01:05.200 --> 01:01:05.820]  Got your laptop?
[01:01:06.080 --> 01:01:06.380]  Oh, yeah.
[01:01:06.540 --> 01:01:07.280]  Got your credit card?
[01:01:07.440 --> 01:01:07.640]  Yeah.
[01:01:07.920 --> 01:01:09.560]  Go to WBAI.org.
[01:01:10.000 --> 01:01:11.000]  Left-hand column?
[01:01:11.060 --> 01:01:14.020]  Where it says many pledge drive premiums still available.
[01:01:14.240 --> 01:01:15.000]  Click here.
[01:01:15.060 --> 01:01:15.440]  That's it.
[01:01:15.520 --> 01:01:17.500]  The new secure online donation center.
[01:01:17.740 --> 01:01:20.780]  Scrolling to WBAI premiums, the classics.
[01:01:20.780 --> 01:01:21.640]  Add to cart.
[01:01:22.000 --> 01:01:23.120]  One silver package.
[01:01:23.400 --> 01:01:24.500]  A returning customer.
[01:01:24.720 --> 01:01:25.140]  Oh, good.
[01:01:25.240 --> 01:01:25.940]  We're on our way.
[01:01:26.120 --> 01:01:26.640]  Got the tickets?
[01:01:26.920 --> 01:01:28.200]  I thought you had the tickets.
[01:01:28.420 --> 01:01:28.780]  I do.
[01:01:28.880 --> 01:01:29.560]  I was just kidding.