[00:00.000 --> 00:12.980]  Now, it is part of a larger imperial project, the jump-off point of a mad effort of what independent presidential candidate Ralph Nader calls messianic militarists to remake the face of the Middle East.
[00:13.500 --> 00:17.800]  Surely, the sending of Negroponte is at least a bad omen.
[00:18.200 --> 00:23.840]  The action forced Honduran supporters of the so-called coalition to call their troops home.
[00:24.300 --> 00:27.520]  From death row, this is Mumia Abu Jamal.
[00:27.520 --> 00:31.320]  These commentaries are produced by Noelle Hanrahan for Prison Radio.
[00:33.640 --> 00:36.000]  You've been listening to Free Speech Radio News.
[00:36.140 --> 00:37.300]  I'm Nell Abram.
[00:44.520 --> 00:50.540]  And you're listening to radio station WBAI in New York, where the time is just about 7 o'clock on a Wednesday night.
[00:50.680 --> 00:52.320]  And that means time for Off the Hook.
[00:57.510 --> 01:01.950]  The telephone keeps ringing, so I ripped it off the wall.
[01:02.950 --> 01:07.470]  I cut myself while shaving, now I can't make a cough.
[01:08.150 --> 01:12.750]  We couldn't get much worse, but if they could, they would.
[01:13.050 --> 01:15.670]  From Diddley Bom, for the best, expect the worst.
[01:16.370 --> 01:18.170]  I hope that's understood.
[01:18.490 --> 01:19.210]  From Diddley Bom!
[01:55.100 --> 01:56.120]  And good evening to everybody.
[01:56.340 --> 01:57.380]  The program is Off the Hook.
[01:57.580 --> 02:01.440]  I'm Nell Goldstein here with you tonight with a full cast of characters.
[02:01.840 --> 02:05.240]  We have Red Hecht, we have Mike, we have Jim, we have Mish.
[02:05.360 --> 02:06.820]  It feels a little empty in here, though.
[02:06.960 --> 02:07.780]  It does feel a little empty.
[02:08.080 --> 02:08.540]  A little cold.
[02:08.540 --> 02:08.920]  A lot empty.
[02:09.080 --> 02:09.900]  Well, Jeff isn't here.
[02:10.640 --> 02:10.720]  Yeah.
[02:11.280 --> 02:12.080]  Jeff is away on assignment.
[02:12.100 --> 02:14.560]  Then the past two weeks have been packed.
[02:14.940 --> 02:16.120]  Yeah, well, yeah, that's true.
[02:16.200 --> 02:21.420]  All the people who are here for Hope have gone back to their hopelessness, I guess.
[02:21.940 --> 02:23.700]  That's right to phrase it.
[02:24.420 --> 02:25.880]  But they'll be back again in two years.
[02:26.460 --> 02:27.960]  And maybe before then, too.
[02:28.140 --> 02:28.460]  Who knows?
[02:29.240 --> 02:33.780]  There are people still straggling around the city looking for places to hang out that came in for the conference.
[02:34.440 --> 02:35.280]  Can't believe it's over.
[02:36.760 --> 02:39.260]  And, of course, Bernie, yes, you join us from Philadelphia.
[02:41.280 --> 02:41.800]  Does he?
[02:42.080 --> 02:42.720]  Do you, Bernie?
[02:44.620 --> 02:45.120]  Apparently not.
[02:45.120 --> 02:46.180]  He was there a second ago.
[02:46.800 --> 02:48.200]  Bernie, are you giving us a silent treatment?
[02:49.740 --> 02:51.240]  Maybe he's going back to hopelessness.
[02:51.440 --> 02:53.580]  I think he's giving us a sprint PCS treatment.
[02:53.620 --> 02:56.160]  The phone isn't making that noise that it makes when people hang up.
[02:56.440 --> 02:57.960]  You know, the fast busy, the reorder.
[02:58.840 --> 02:59.980]  It's a BAI trademark.
[03:00.620 --> 03:02.680]  Bernie, we're going to assume you're there until you make that noise.
[03:04.440 --> 03:05.100]  You hear that?
[03:05.820 --> 03:08.560]  Are you sure you've got everything or his thing up?
[03:08.680 --> 03:09.020]  It's up.
[03:09.200 --> 03:10.040]  Look, I'll turn it off.
[03:10.120 --> 03:10.540]  Now it's off.
[03:10.660 --> 03:11.120]  Now it's on.
[03:12.780 --> 03:13.620]  See, that's noise.
[03:13.880 --> 03:14.680]  Bernie, say something.
[03:15.020 --> 03:18.020]  I don't think these, you know...
[03:18.020 --> 03:20.500]  Bernie, if you can hear us, hit a touchtone or something.
[03:22.560 --> 03:23.940]  I don't think this is working at all.
[03:23.960 --> 03:24.720]  Yeah, it's not working at all.
[03:24.840 --> 03:25.400]  No, that's peculiar.
[03:25.400 --> 03:28.120]  Well, I just would like to keep it on for a little while, though.
[03:28.160 --> 03:28.660]  See what happens.
[03:28.860 --> 03:32.060]  Because these things always wind up timing out and something weird happens.
[03:32.640 --> 03:34.420]  So, I hear a noise.
[03:34.540 --> 03:35.440]  You hear the noise, too, right?
[03:35.740 --> 03:36.620]  Listeners, can you hear the noise?
[03:36.720 --> 03:37.740]  Maybe it's not going over the air.
[03:37.860 --> 03:41.540]  But we hear this kind of chopped up sound, like street sound.
[03:41.840 --> 03:44.360]  It almost sounds as if he dropped his phone and left it someplace.
[03:44.660 --> 03:47.000]  But I talked to him a minute ago.
[03:47.620 --> 03:49.060]  Bernie is very talented, though.
[03:49.280 --> 03:49.700]  Yeah, yeah.
[03:50.120 --> 03:54.580]  Well, anyway, I'll call him back in a few minutes, if this continues like this.
[03:55.740 --> 03:57.460]  Okay, we have interesting stories today.
[03:58.400 --> 03:59.620]  Mike, you got a piece of mail.
[03:59.780 --> 04:00.900]  Let's go through that first.
[04:01.040 --> 04:01.720]  Yes, I got a...
[04:01.720 --> 04:03.720]  It's a brown envelope.
[04:03.940 --> 04:05.820]  Mike, it contains a lot of materials.
[04:06.200 --> 04:08.180]  From the Republican National Convention.
[04:08.540 --> 04:11.440]  Okay, well, that's not that unusual because you are on their mailing list.
[04:11.580 --> 04:12.680]  That's an unusual address.
[04:12.860 --> 04:13.600]  Did you give it to them?
[04:14.060 --> 04:16.360]  This is my home address, Jim.
[04:16.580 --> 04:21.600]  No, but what I'm saying is it says, you, your last name, 2600 Magazine, your home address.
[04:22.080 --> 04:24.980]  Yes, that's how they reach me when they have business.
[04:25.260 --> 04:26.180]  Did you give that to them?
[04:26.300 --> 04:27.500]  Oh, I just wanted to know if they got from...
[04:27.500 --> 04:28.100]  That's in the database.
[04:28.220 --> 04:29.440]  They pulled that out of the database.
[04:29.660 --> 04:31.400]  They sent me mail at the address I gave them.
[04:31.500 --> 04:32.320]  It's very strange.
[04:32.320 --> 04:37.520]  I wanted to know if we had tampered with their database by giving them that address or if they had, like, culled things together.
[04:37.540 --> 04:39.280]  We tampered with their database by putting a name in it in the first place.
[04:39.300 --> 04:39.680]  All right, fine.
[04:40.060 --> 04:40.340]  All right.
[04:41.680 --> 04:44.380]  And you don't know what this letter says, Emanuel.
[04:44.580 --> 04:47.860]  No, I insisted on not reading it before the show because I like to be surprised.
[04:48.100 --> 04:50.400]  It says, July 19, 2004.
[04:50.920 --> 04:57.160]  Dear Sir slash Madame, thank you for your interest in the 2004 Republican National Convention.
[04:57.380 --> 05:04.380]  We received your application for credentials but unfortunately are unable to fill your request for special press credentials.
[05:04.980 --> 05:06.820]  Sincerely, special press credentials.
[05:08.080 --> 05:08.760]  All right.
[05:09.120 --> 05:09.380]  Oh, wait.
[05:09.380 --> 05:09.840]  Did you hear that?
[05:09.940 --> 05:10.480]  Bernie, are you there?
[05:10.580 --> 05:11.620]  I am actually here.
[05:11.700 --> 05:11.940]  See?
[05:12.080 --> 05:13.020]  He was there the whole time.
[05:13.200 --> 05:13.460]  Sorry.
[05:13.460 --> 05:17.380]  I was listening to the show online and I didn't think that I was on yet.
[05:18.080 --> 05:18.500]  Uh-huh.
[05:18.720 --> 05:19.220]  Uh-huh.
[05:19.500 --> 05:19.840]  Okay.
[05:20.880 --> 05:21.780]  I knew he was there.
[05:22.340 --> 05:22.840]  All right.
[05:23.260 --> 05:23.880]  Welcome, Bernie.
[05:24.300 --> 05:24.460]  All right.
[05:24.520 --> 05:27.040]  So we were denied access.
[05:27.420 --> 05:28.780]  We've been denied access before.
[05:28.940 --> 05:30.380]  We were denied access for what?
[05:30.500 --> 05:31.560]  Being a magazine or something?
[05:32.120 --> 05:32.460]  Right.
[05:32.720 --> 05:35.980]  I had applied to the Periodical Press Gallery of the U.S.
[05:36.060 --> 05:38.120]  Senate, which is apparently in charge of such things.
[05:38.120 --> 05:42.720]  And apparently, Quarterly's are not Periodicals, so they don't deal with that.
[05:42.900 --> 05:43.940]  They don't deal with Quarterly's.
[05:44.020 --> 05:47.240]  But they suggested that we apply as, what, College Press or something?
[05:47.260 --> 05:47.840]  No, as Special.
[05:48.040 --> 05:48.400]  Special.
[05:48.740 --> 05:50.260]  This is where the Special people go.
[05:50.260 --> 05:51.820]  And they're saying we're not special.
[05:52.260 --> 05:52.420]  Right.
[05:52.640 --> 05:53.640]  We're not special either.
[05:53.760 --> 05:54.680]  They don't give a reason, do they?
[05:54.760 --> 05:55.080]  They just...
[05:55.080 --> 05:56.600]  No, this is clearly a form letter.
[05:57.060 --> 05:58.340]  You know, it doesn't even...
[05:58.340 --> 06:00.080]  They didn't even mail merge it with my name.
[06:00.280 --> 06:01.060]  There's no signature.
[06:01.260 --> 06:01.620]  It just says...
[06:01.620 --> 06:02.460]  No, we didn't get a signature.
[06:02.460 --> 06:03.200]  Special Press credentials.
[06:03.200 --> 06:05.440]  There's an empty spot for where a signature could go.
[06:05.560 --> 06:07.720]  Yeah, but Special Press credentials can't be signing things.
[06:07.720 --> 06:08.640]  Can I see the handout over here?
[06:08.640 --> 06:12.300]  I kind of like the paid-for line, you know, with all these...
[06:12.300 --> 06:12.500]  Nice paper.
[06:12.620 --> 06:13.080]  Nice, solid paper.
[06:13.080 --> 06:13.480]  Yeah, yeah.
[06:13.600 --> 06:14.360]  They really...
[06:14.360 --> 06:15.880]  I mean, this is a big envelope.
[06:16.000 --> 06:19.060]  They could fit a lot more than, like, three sentences in this envelope.
[06:20.760 --> 06:21.440]  Well, maybe that's it.
[06:21.500 --> 06:23.080]  They decide just to get one size envelope.
[06:23.300 --> 06:24.920]  It goes either with or without credentials.
[06:25.040 --> 06:26.540]  You know, you said madame.
[06:26.720 --> 06:30.000]  I was going to call you on it, but it is actually spelled with the E at the end.
[06:30.020 --> 06:30.300]  Yeah, yeah.
[06:30.380 --> 06:31.240]  You don't usually do that.
[06:31.380 --> 06:32.880]  No, you don't do that at all in English.
[06:33.020 --> 06:34.180]  So I wonder who wrote this letter.
[06:34.280 --> 06:40.000]  I think possibly they did that to make sure no one, no one possibly confused it with a woman of ill repute.
[06:40.320 --> 06:43.220]  I think that the Republicans are in league with the French.
[06:43.600 --> 06:44.240]  Well, it's possible.
[06:44.380 --> 06:45.440]  The Republicans do have that problem.
[06:47.920 --> 06:50.220]  Yeah, well, it's like you say.
[06:50.420 --> 06:52.720]  Special press credentials is the name.
[06:52.720 --> 06:53.500]  No signature.
[06:55.560 --> 06:57.800]  Boy, it really hits home when they say it.
[06:58.080 --> 07:04.280]  And this letter was paid for by the Committee on Arrangements for the 2004 Republican National Convention.
[07:04.720 --> 07:07.460]  Not authorized by any candidate or candidate committee.
[07:08.740 --> 07:10.140]  All right, so now we know.
[07:10.420 --> 07:14.380]  So I guess at this particular point in time, this was dated July 19th.
[07:14.460 --> 07:15.520]  It took a long time.
[07:15.680 --> 07:17.420]  There's no way we can appeal this because there's not enough time.
[07:18.360 --> 07:22.320]  But we can appeal to the people out there who do have credentials to let us in.
[07:23.420 --> 07:31.180]  To get us in on your credentials, if you have any kind of means of getting into the garden during that period, you know, we're not up to anything nefarious.
[07:31.300 --> 07:32.940]  We just want to infiltrate it.
[07:33.060 --> 07:33.180]  Speak for yourself.
[07:33.320 --> 07:34.840]  Well, yeah, we just want to find out what's going on.
[07:34.900 --> 07:43.340]  We want to be able to report to the BAI listeners, the off-the-hook listeners, in our own unique perspective, things that, you know, you might not ordinarily hear about.
[07:43.340 --> 07:50.800]  For instance, at our convention, at the Hope Convention, did you know there was a whole phone bank installed for the Republican Convention, right next to ours?
[07:51.460 --> 07:52.020]  That's right.
[07:52.300 --> 07:53.160]  Yes, I did know that.
[07:53.200 --> 07:54.060]  Yeah, well, we knew that.
[07:54.480 --> 07:56.080]  You know, now the BAI listeners know that.
[07:56.160 --> 08:01.220]  And theirs was probably working as opposed to ours, that Verizon spent a lot of time messing up.
[08:02.920 --> 08:04.960]  Things like that, though, pictures and diagrams.
[08:05.160 --> 08:07.560]  That phone bank is for press.
[08:07.740 --> 08:09.880]  Press will be using the space that we used.
[08:09.880 --> 08:10.400]  Uh-huh.
[08:10.700 --> 08:12.940]  Isn't press using the Farley post office building?
[08:12.960 --> 08:13.700]  Press is everywhere.
[08:14.060 --> 08:14.260]  Uh-huh.
[08:14.320 --> 08:15.500]  But we're not everywhere.
[08:15.640 --> 08:16.800]  We're not press, apparently.
[08:16.980 --> 08:18.520]  We're not special press or something.
[08:18.660 --> 08:22.460]  They don't want us to be able to tell people how this whole thing technically works.
[08:22.720 --> 08:27.660]  You know, how the phone lines tie into the computer lines and what the problems were and things like that, you know.
[08:27.700 --> 08:34.460]  In case you're wondering why a hacker magazine would have any business at all on a political convention, well, this is the reason, because there's all kinds of technical things going on.
[08:35.080 --> 08:36.240]  And you can learn.
[08:36.360 --> 08:37.680]  You can learn all sorts of things.
[08:37.780 --> 08:38.220]  So, do you think, Bernie?
[08:38.820 --> 08:39.540]  I think so.
[08:39.540 --> 08:50.620]  I think one of the best examples of what could go wrong if hackers aren't present at a presidential type event like that is back in 72 here in Philadelphia.
[08:50.620 --> 08:54.620]  There was the famous debate with Jimmy Carter and Gerald Ford.
[08:55.100 --> 09:01.240]  And I don't know how many of our listeners remember seeing that, but for the first half hour, their connection went down.
[09:01.240 --> 09:08.620]  And both gentlemen stood on stage sort of just looking dumb, waiting for the audio to start.
[09:09.100 --> 09:11.660]  So, you know, had there been hackers there, they could have fixed it.
[09:11.760 --> 09:18.320]  I was at a press conference, in fact, when Vice President Bush, the first Bush, was addressing supporters.
[09:18.320 --> 09:20.900]  This was during the 1988 campaign.
[09:21.840 --> 09:25.920]  And he called in on speakerphone, and the speakerphone was malfunctioning.
[09:26.140 --> 09:29.960]  It was sort of like what you sounded like before, Bernie, just noise coming in and out.
[09:30.040 --> 09:31.220]  And nobody could figure out how to fix it.
[09:31.300 --> 09:35.300]  I could have fixed it, but there was a barricade, and I couldn't get past the barricade.
[09:35.520 --> 09:44.020]  If they had, you know, let me come forward, I would have been able to, you know, have a nice a nicer presentation of Vice President Bush at that time.
[09:45.880 --> 09:48.560]  But instead, it was kind of a funny recording that I got anyway.
[09:48.680 --> 09:51.520]  And we could have made her a Republican, solving all sorts of problems.
[09:51.640 --> 09:52.500]  Yeah, I think that wouldn't have worked.
[09:54.220 --> 09:57.340]  But speaking of the convention, and that's all we got in that letter, right?
[09:57.400 --> 09:57.980]  There's nothing else in there?
[09:57.980 --> 09:58.720]  No, nothing else.
[09:58.740 --> 09:59.400]  I'll give it back to you.
[10:00.040 --> 10:00.900]  I already have it back.
[10:01.360 --> 10:01.480]  Okay.
[10:02.860 --> 10:06.320]  There's going to be an unprecedented number of video cameras in Boston.
[10:06.560 --> 10:10.560]  Now, in a week, in one week, there is going to be another convention.
[10:10.560 --> 10:14.620]  The Democratic National Convention, taking place in Boston.
[10:16.460 --> 10:19.600]  Not, of course, that any democracy will be exercised therein.
[10:19.700 --> 10:22.420]  I don't think so, but, you know, it's always possible it could happen.
[10:23.160 --> 10:30.660]  Certainly, if people show up and voice their opinions in the designated free speech zones, they may actually get some democracy in there.
[10:31.140 --> 10:33.400]  How far away from the actual convention are those?
[10:33.520 --> 10:37.620]  It's a 20,000 square foot area, just for free speech.
[10:37.800 --> 10:37.940]  Yeah.
[10:38.800 --> 10:41.020]  Just, you know, keep it in the context.
[10:41.040 --> 10:42.180]  I mean, with walls around it.
[10:42.260 --> 10:42.380]  Yeah.
[10:42.720 --> 10:45.280]  If you have to have walls for the RNC, it doesn't work otherwise.
[10:46.660 --> 10:47.880]  This is for the DNC we're talking about.
[10:47.920 --> 10:50.900]  But are there any designated free speech zones for the RNC?
[10:50.900 --> 10:52.600]  Well, that's what's being fought out right now in the courts.
[10:53.000 --> 10:56.520]  There's all kinds of battles taking place as to where demonstrations can be.
[10:56.520 --> 11:10.440]  And, you know, I had this discussion, I believe, with Mike yesterday, or a couple days ago, about the whole demonstration taking place in Central Park and how the permits are being denied for that and the demonstrators aren't going to be able to rally in the park because they don't have permission to do so.
[11:10.580 --> 11:16.680]  What is to stop me from going there with my own sign and rallying and encouraging everybody else to do the same without permission?
[11:16.880 --> 11:18.780]  What will stop us from doing that?
[11:19.080 --> 11:19.640]  Dilly clubs?
[11:20.100 --> 11:22.720]  Well, I mean, is it illegal to go into a park?
[11:23.220 --> 11:24.100]  I mean, that's what they're saying.
[11:24.160 --> 11:25.540]  Are they going to close all of Central Park?
[11:26.380 --> 11:30.760]  I doubt it, but, I mean, they'll probably make it difficult for you to do anything.
[11:30.980 --> 11:32.120]  Well, how are they going to make it difficult?
[11:32.180 --> 11:33.300]  See, this is what I want to see.
[11:33.400 --> 11:40.400]  We're theorizing as to what they're going to do, but what are they actually going to do if people just come to a field and protest on their own?
[11:40.560 --> 11:51.760]  Well, the New York Libertarian Party, which is not a body that I normally praise, is organizing or announcing or something an unpermitted rally in Central Park.
[11:52.400 --> 11:53.800]  I don't understand this whole permit.
[11:53.980 --> 11:54.080]  So you could go.
[11:54.200 --> 11:56.240]  When did demonstrations need to be permitted?
[11:56.340 --> 11:56.560]  Exactly.
[11:56.780 --> 11:58.260]  When did demonstrations need to have...
[11:58.260 --> 12:00.340]  If you ask people permission for things, they will say no.
[12:00.660 --> 12:05.380]  And even when they're permitted, I mean, I remember the anti-war rallies back...
[12:05.380 --> 12:06.700]  I went to the one two years ago.
[12:08.020 --> 12:09.860]  Those had permits, as far as I knew.
[12:09.920 --> 12:12.100]  We were supposed to be able to walk down a certain avenue.
[12:12.220 --> 12:12.980]  They wouldn't let us through.
[12:13.360 --> 12:14.920]  The police just boxed everyone off.
[12:15.000 --> 12:16.120]  I mean, it just makes it...
[12:16.120 --> 12:16.240]  Well, that's why...
[12:16.240 --> 12:16.980]  That's a march.
[12:17.220 --> 12:18.160]  That's going down the street.
[12:21.760 --> 12:25.360]  Going to a field and, you know, having a common purpose or a common cause.
[12:25.500 --> 12:26.880]  You know, people go to walk their dogs.
[12:27.040 --> 12:28.200]  People go to see a concert.
[12:28.340 --> 12:29.640]  People go for all kinds of different reasons.
[12:29.820 --> 12:31.260]  Or to sunbathe or whatever.
[12:31.680 --> 12:33.640]  You know, some things may be more organized than others.
[12:34.240 --> 12:38.060]  But how can you say you're not allowed to come here and voice your opinion?
[12:39.220 --> 12:44.160]  Maybe those opinions are viewed as less palatable than what the dogs leave in the field.
[12:45.140 --> 12:50.900]  I mean, they say that having hundreds of thousands of people in Central Park is going to kill the field, basically.
[12:51.160 --> 12:51.580]  Yeah, kill the grass.
[12:51.620 --> 12:52.800]  That's why they have concerts there.
[12:52.960 --> 12:53.480]  I know.
[12:53.640 --> 12:54.080]  I know.
[12:54.160 --> 12:58.060]  But that's a lie, and the people saying it know it's a lie, so it's just kind of silly.
[12:58.660 --> 13:01.580]  Anyway, getting back to Boston, because that's what I was starting to talk about here.
[13:01.980 --> 13:04.240]  There's going to be an unprecedented number of video cameras.
[13:04.380 --> 13:07.240]  Boston police will be installing some 30 cameras near the fleet center.
[13:07.920 --> 13:12.100]  The Coast Guard will be using infrared devices and night vision cameras in the harbor.
[13:12.580 --> 13:17.440]  Dozens of pieces of surveillance equipment will be mounted on downtown buildings to monitor crowds for terrorists.
[13:17.440 --> 13:19.920]  Because they stand out, you know, when you monitor crowds.
[13:20.340 --> 13:23.800]  And as well as unruly demonstrators and ordinary street crime.
[13:23.940 --> 13:26.740]  Their cold hearts don't show up on the infrared.
[13:26.940 --> 13:28.360]  For the first time, that's right.
[13:28.460 --> 13:39.140]  For the first time, 75 high-tech video cameras operated by the federal government will be linked into a surveillance network to monitor the Central Artery, City Hall Plaza, the Fleet Center, and other sensitive sites.
[13:39.340 --> 13:46.220]  Their feeds from cameras mounted on various downtown buildings will be piped to monitoring stations in the Boston area and in Washington, D.C.
[13:46.420 --> 13:53.860]  And officials will be able to zoom in from their workstations to gather details of facial descriptions or read license plates.
[13:54.300 --> 14:04.880]  With Boston Harbor just a few steps from the arena, the Coast Guard will be using its new Hawkeye system in place in one other port in the nation, which they don't say where, to watch area waterways.
[14:05.060 --> 14:17.380]  The network of infrared imaging, radar, and cameras that operate in both day and night conditions will give security officials a real-time picture of the harbor and provide agencies an early warning if an unexpected ship arrives in the area.
[14:17.940 --> 14:28.380]  An unspecified number of state police cameras are also being installed, and more than 100 previously existing MBTA cameras will be used to monitor area subway and bus stations.
[14:28.880 --> 14:37.660]  Law enforcement officials will have, as needed, access to as many as 900 cameras that have been operated for months or years by the Massachusetts Port Authority, the State Highway Department, and the Big Dig.
[14:38.080 --> 14:40.520]  That, of course, being the construction project that's...
[14:40.520 --> 14:43.400]  Now, they're probably not going to get rid of them at the end of the convention.
[14:43.520 --> 14:44.120]  Well, I'm getting to that.
[14:44.120 --> 14:44.940]  That's just a way to get them in.
[14:45.280 --> 14:46.180]  I'm getting to that.
[14:47.060 --> 14:53.240]  Civil libertarians warn that the latest technology will be used to scare away protesters and others exercising their rights under the First Amendment.
[14:53.520 --> 14:59.200]  The critics complain there are few state and federal laws regulating the use of video surveillance in public places.
[15:00.040 --> 15:12.980]  Now, while video surveillance has become a common tool for police and private security personnel, Boston police and federal officials concede that the additional cameras and new technology represent another chapter in Boston, and it's here to stay.
[15:13.260 --> 15:18.460]  Boston police say the cameras installed for the convention will be used throughout the city once the event is over.
[15:18.600 --> 15:20.560]  We own them now, said the police superintendent.
[15:20.560 --> 15:22.720]  We're certainly not going to put them in a closet.
[15:23.760 --> 15:25.160]  Unless they're watching the closet.
[15:27.500 --> 15:28.220]  That's Boston.
[15:28.360 --> 15:29.460]  That's next week in Boston.
[15:29.640 --> 15:30.840]  Two tangential things.
[15:31.000 --> 15:32.060]  One is totally unrelated.
[15:32.660 --> 15:33.980]  We'll start with the related one.
[15:34.080 --> 15:36.360]  No, let's start with the unrelated one, and we'll go on to the related one.
[15:36.360 --> 15:41.760]  The unrelated one is they've installed closed-circuit hidden cameras on the Staten Island Ferry.
[15:42.520 --> 15:43.400]  That's sort of related.
[15:43.860 --> 15:44.080]  Okay.
[15:44.580 --> 15:46.520]  That's why I figured I could still get the way of saying it.
[15:46.660 --> 15:48.340]  The other one is, do you remember that truck?
[15:48.400 --> 15:51.440]  I think it was a Bernie S that found this truck last year or the year before?
[15:51.780 --> 15:52.360]  Oh, yes.
[15:52.380 --> 15:53.600]  Here in Philadelphia, I saw it.
[15:53.720 --> 15:53.980]  Exactly.
[15:53.980 --> 15:54.760]  A whole new security truck.
[15:54.960 --> 15:55.280]  Right.
[15:55.480 --> 15:55.860]  What about it?
[15:55.980 --> 15:58.020]  Wouldn't that be probably up there for this?
[15:58.180 --> 15:59.420]  Or out here for this?
[15:59.680 --> 16:00.660]  We should look for it.
[16:00.860 --> 16:04.800]  That was sort of a demonstration platform by the company that's selling these things to the government.
[16:04.800 --> 16:10.380]  So, it may be there, but it probably won't be so prominently marked as what it is.
[16:10.560 --> 16:20.580]  Well, you should email us and let us know where there are pictures of that truck available, and we can ask our listeners in Boston and here in New York to see if that truck is used.
[16:20.740 --> 16:22.280]  We went through a whole thing with these pictures.
[16:22.440 --> 16:24.980]  Everybody was requesting these pictures, and they're definitely...
[16:24.980 --> 16:27.560]  Didn't we provide links to them several times or...
[16:27.560 --> 16:28.920]  Yeah, they're somewhere on our website.
[16:29.380 --> 16:32.340]  They're attached to whatever show we talked about it on.
[16:32.520 --> 16:32.740]  Okay.
[16:33.020 --> 16:35.540]  So, if you go back, I think it's last year sometime, you'll see the pictures of the truck.
[16:36.140 --> 16:39.540]  I mean, you'll notice the truck without knowing what the pictures look like.
[16:39.620 --> 16:47.600]  If you see a truck with a ton of... like a satellite antenna and a bunch of other antennas on the top and a tower with cameras on it on the truck, that's the truck.
[16:47.900 --> 16:48.080]  Yeah.
[16:48.840 --> 16:52.280]  And you best stay out of its way and maybe just watch what it does.
[16:52.280 --> 16:57.200]  Oh, Terrence may indicate that there's a switch on the back of the truck somewhere.
[16:58.260 --> 17:02.900]  A shapeshifter may indicate there's a switch somewhere you can turn off and just disable the truck from moving.
[17:03.040 --> 17:03.440]  Yeah.
[17:03.700 --> 17:14.100]  Of course, that's reference to the buses that shapeshifter was talking about at the last RNC in Philadelphia that were very easy to disable, which I don't know if anybody actually did.
[17:14.120 --> 17:15.620]  It's just kind of funny that it was that easy.
[17:16.760 --> 17:20.320]  But we'll have all kinds of other observations on things like that in New York.
[17:20.320 --> 17:24.680]  I just wanted to bring up a website that if you'd let me at the computer, I could try and find the URL for.
[17:24.960 --> 17:25.520]  Computer's right here.
[17:25.600 --> 17:25.960]  Come over and...
[17:25.960 --> 17:29.020]  I was mentioned in one of the videos I showed during Hope.
[17:29.280 --> 17:37.800]  And basically, it's a map of Manhattan and it's got all the surveillance cameras that are known about throughout Manhattan on this map.
[17:38.160 --> 17:46.500]  And they actually have a way, if you give them a starting point and an ending point, it'll get you through the path of least surveillance where you pass the least number of surveillance cameras.
[17:46.540 --> 17:47.780]  I don't think it's possible anymore.
[17:48.080 --> 17:48.860]  Well, all right.
[17:48.960 --> 17:50.120]  I mean, satellites can watch you.
[17:50.520 --> 17:51.640]  You'd have to go on the subway system.
[17:51.640 --> 17:53.600]  That's true, but I'm talking about just like surveillance cameras on the ground.
[17:53.720 --> 17:53.860]  Okay.
[17:54.220 --> 17:57.520]  And they got all the information through like Freedom of Information Act and stuff.
[17:57.700 --> 18:00.820]  Yeah, this is a study done by the New York Civil Liberties Union.
[18:01.020 --> 18:07.460]  And I think a lot of the information they actually got just by sending teams of people to walk down every street in Manhattan and count cameras.
[18:08.080 --> 18:10.440]  You know, they could have done so many other things while they were doing that too.
[18:10.580 --> 18:11.240]  Well, maybe they did.
[18:11.440 --> 18:12.460]  I'm going to try and find the URL.
[18:12.580 --> 18:14.340]  Yeah, go over to the computer and try to find that.
[18:14.340 --> 18:21.160]  But while I tell the people about the security radios that are missing, if somebody would maybe help find them, not for us.
[18:21.160 --> 18:22.380]  Our radios are all fine.
[18:22.620 --> 18:24.440]  The Hope radios are all accounted for.
[18:24.440 --> 18:34.440]  But the DIA, the Denver International Airport, has a problem with the radios belonging to the TSA.
[18:34.440 --> 18:36.660]  That's the Transportation Security Administration.
[18:37.020 --> 18:38.440]  Four radios are missing.
[18:38.740 --> 18:41.120]  Now, one has already turned up for sale on eBay.
[18:42.640 --> 18:50.200]  TSA spokesman Mike Feerberg wouldn't discuss the specifications of the handheld radios, but said the devices use public frequencies.
[18:50.780 --> 18:54.460]  It is a concern in the sense that they are government property that has been misplaced.
[18:54.540 --> 18:59.320]  I don't think it rises to the level of a security concern, he said, an obvious fear for his job.
[19:00.960 --> 19:06.480]  The TSA uses a layered system designed to thwart any kind of breach, but he would not elaborate.
[19:07.720 --> 19:15.440]  One analyst said the radios, which are used to communicate with TSA employees or with police, could pose a threat in the hands of anyone who wants to cause trouble at the airport.
[19:15.740 --> 19:19.060]  Have they been listening in, asked aviation security expert David Forbes.
[19:19.060 --> 19:21.480]  Is there something that they are being able to calculate?
[19:21.720 --> 19:25.960]  The procedural practices, the radio protocols of TSA and its relationship with law enforcement.
[19:26.120 --> 19:29.160]  How much have they learned by simply having this equipment?
[19:29.540 --> 19:33.560]  The radio that was sold on eBay was turned into DIA's Lost and Found Department.
[19:34.060 --> 19:39.540]  It was turned into the Lost and Found Department and then turned over to Denver County's Surplus Property Department and put up for auction.
[19:39.860 --> 19:42.240]  So they found the thing and they lost it again.
[19:42.860 --> 19:44.220]  It was sold off twice.
[19:44.500 --> 19:45.600]  How much did it sell for?
[19:45.600 --> 19:46.500]  You know, it doesn't say.
[19:46.720 --> 19:49.800]  It doesn't say, but I'd certainly be interested in seeing one of these things.
[19:50.220 --> 19:53.520]  I want a Homeland Security radio like that myself.
[19:54.360 --> 19:56.100]  Laptops one week, radios the next.
[19:56.200 --> 19:57.820]  It's amazing what the government can lose.
[19:58.320 --> 19:59.120]  Redhack, can you find what you want?
[19:59.140 --> 19:59.960]  Yeah, I found the URL.
[20:00.200 --> 20:02.540]  It's AppliedAutonomy.com.
[20:02.540 --> 20:03.620]  Oh, Institute for Applied Autonomy.
[20:03.660 --> 20:03.840]  Yeah.
[20:03.920 --> 20:04.800]  Yeah, those guys were at Hope.
[20:05.380 --> 20:05.700]  Yeah.
[20:05.800 --> 20:05.980]  Yeah.
[20:06.780 --> 20:09.120]  It's AppliedAutonomy.com slash I-C.
[20:09.300 --> 20:10.980]  That's I-S-E-E.
[20:11.120 --> 20:11.400]  Right.
[20:12.180 --> 20:14.160]  And that was in the website.
[20:14.480 --> 20:15.060]  Okay, great.
[20:16.360 --> 20:17.000]  Let's see.
[20:17.100 --> 20:19.880]  We have this story that several people sent us, which is kind of interesting.
[20:20.360 --> 20:28.720]  Mexico's Attorney General said he has a microchip implanted under his skin as a security measure, and more than 100 other government officials will receive it as well.
[20:30.260 --> 20:32.620]  He said the microchip allows authorities to locate...
[20:32.620 --> 20:32.740]  Or else.
[20:33.040 --> 20:33.520]  To locate...
[20:33.520 --> 20:34.460]  Yeah, it's probably mandatory.
[20:34.640 --> 20:36.600]  Allows authorities to locate him anywhere in the country.
[20:36.920 --> 20:43.380]  The device also will give the officials access to information at Mexico's National Information Center for Law Enforcement.
[20:44.120 --> 20:52.840]  Only high-ranking officials and employees with access to the center's classified information will carry the non-removable embedded microchip, they say.
[20:53.200 --> 20:54.880]  Boy, this is scary.
[20:55.720 --> 21:00.880]  Basically, the microchip is deactivated as soon as they cease serving in law enforcement.
[21:01.060 --> 21:03.820]  That's 160 Mexican officials who are also carrying this.
[21:04.180 --> 21:09.060]  And they say it hurts a little bit when it's implanted in the upper portion of the arm.
[21:09.060 --> 21:13.780]  I guess this is something that Sandy Berger could have had, and, you know, we could track his movements as he's...
[21:13.780 --> 21:15.260]  There's a major inaccuracy in there.
[21:15.380 --> 21:16.440]  Read the first line or two.
[21:16.680 --> 21:17.540]  Yeah, I'll hand it to you.
[21:17.700 --> 21:17.900]  Okay.
[21:18.420 --> 21:19.920]  The major inaccuracy here.
[21:23.560 --> 21:28.020]  Ah, it says the microchip allows authorities to locate him anywhere in the country.
[21:28.260 --> 21:32.340]  No, the microchip allows them to locate his arm anywhere in the country.
[21:32.540 --> 21:34.260]  That may not be where he is.
[21:34.260 --> 21:39.640]  You know what I was thinking also, not to put it down right now, but wouldn't that make political assassinations fairly easy?
[21:39.760 --> 21:42.240]  I mean, if you could find them and just take them out.
[21:42.340 --> 21:45.920]  Yeah, an aerial show could launch a missile that will track itself to that person.
[21:46.040 --> 21:51.560]  Or you could just have one of these RFID detectors on, like, one of these improvised explosive devices on the side of the road.
[21:51.580 --> 21:53.800]  And whenever it detects one of these guys going by, boom!
[21:54.780 --> 21:58.680]  Scientists are working feverishly day and night to make such devices.
[21:59.360 --> 22:00.320]  But here's something else.
[22:00.320 --> 22:07.380]  Satellite technology is being used to track 5,000 career criminals who are responsible for one in every 10 crimes in Britain.
[22:07.940 --> 22:10.620]  That's according to the Home Secretary, David Blunkett.
[22:10.860 --> 22:25.000]  The radical new technology, which has been developed here in the United States, will enable law enforcement officials to pinpoint the exact location of criminals who have been released early from prison and fitted with electronic tags.
[22:25.700 --> 22:32.220]  These are actually, like, ankle bracelets that have a battery pack and a transmitter on them.
[22:32.280 --> 22:33.880]  They aren't implanted in their skin.
[22:34.060 --> 22:34.400]  Right.
[22:34.640 --> 22:40.160]  And they can be removed after their early release is over.
[22:40.420 --> 22:41.700]  But still, it's pretty odious.
[22:41.760 --> 22:42.320]  But satellites.
[22:42.520 --> 22:43.920]  Satellites are tracking these people.
[22:44.060 --> 22:44.660]  It's not true.
[22:45.140 --> 22:46.920]  This is misreported.
[22:47.180 --> 22:47.460]  Really?
[22:47.560 --> 22:49.640]  Because that's the crux of the story right there.
[22:49.780 --> 22:51.380]  Satellite technology is being used for this.
[22:51.560 --> 22:52.240]  Well, yes.
[22:52.280 --> 22:54.100]  But they're not being tracked by satellite.
[22:54.100 --> 22:56.940]  There's a satellite receiver in the thing.
[22:57.400 --> 23:10.620]  And then it sends out, like, a cellular, like, GSM or some other type of network signal to a base station that then detects the satellite coordinates from the receiver that's in the bracelet.
[23:10.760 --> 23:12.920]  But the satellites have no idea where these people are.
[23:12.920 --> 23:13.060]  Okay.
[23:13.060 --> 23:15.080]  So it's like using a GPS system in a car, then.
[23:15.400 --> 23:15.640]  Exactly.
[23:15.760 --> 23:19.800]  It doesn't know where the car is, but it's using the satellites so that the car can tell you where it is.
[23:19.860 --> 23:19.980]  Right.
[23:20.040 --> 23:29.820]  And if they wrap tinfoil around their ankle, then nobody would know where they are because it would block the transmitter, the weak transmitter on the ankle bracelet from sending out its location to the receiver.
[23:30.020 --> 23:32.820]  However, once found, they would probably be in serious trouble.
[23:33.080 --> 23:34.420]  Much like removing the bracelet.
[23:35.420 --> 23:43.600]  But there was some little girl recently, she was, like, 12 years old, who was on probation for something, and she took her ankle bracelet off and glued it to her cat.
[23:43.780 --> 23:44.460]  Did you read that story?
[23:44.960 --> 23:45.800]  I heard about that.
[23:45.860 --> 23:48.040]  And she wasn't just a 12-year-old girl on probation for something.
[23:48.100 --> 23:49.020]  I think she had killed somebody.
[23:49.140 --> 23:50.200]  She was a bit older, I think.
[23:50.320 --> 23:50.560]  Yeah.
[23:50.920 --> 23:58.860]  And also, they had detected once she snipped the bracelet, there's, of course, a wire that goes around to detect that.
[23:58.860 --> 24:03.360]  But I just thought it was kind of good that the kid glued theirs to the cat.
[24:05.420 --> 24:05.820]  Okay.
[24:06.560 --> 24:07.020]  Let's see.
[24:07.080 --> 24:08.780]  We have the Adrian Lamont story.
[24:08.920 --> 24:10.500]  Bernie, maybe you want to fill us in on this.
[24:10.500 --> 24:11.820]  He was sentenced last week.
[24:12.640 --> 24:15.180]  Adrian, yes, was finally sentenced.
[24:15.540 --> 24:17.900]  If you recall, he was going to be sentenced months ago.
[24:18.160 --> 24:24.440]  And what an emotional jerk around to have your sentencing postponed at the last minute to several months in the past.
[24:24.520 --> 24:26.040]  But at least he got to go to the Hope Conference.
[24:26.040 --> 24:29.780]  He was there rather low-key, but he was in attendance, which was a good thing.
[24:30.000 --> 24:35.900]  Also, Bernie, I have to say, though, that do you think maybe it was a good thing that it was postponed this one last time because of that Supreme Court ruling?
[24:36.840 --> 24:38.120]  It did help, I think.
[24:38.280 --> 24:39.300]  I think it helped somewhat.
[24:39.760 --> 24:41.920]  His sentence was not as severe as it could have been.
[24:42.800 --> 24:44.960]  He did not have to go behind bars.
[24:44.960 --> 24:49.680]  He's going to serve food detention for six months.
[24:49.860 --> 24:54.660]  And he will have two years of what the feds call supervised release, which is effectively parole.
[24:54.660 --> 24:56.860]  But the feds did away with parole back in the 80s.
[24:58.240 --> 25:01.840]  So he's got to stay at home for six months, which is new for him.
[25:02.780 --> 25:06.000]  And for two years, he's got to stay out of trouble, which I don't think would be a problem.
[25:06.120 --> 25:11.160]  But he has to pay $64,900 in restitution.
[25:11.160 --> 25:26.960]  But that's a far cry from what the New York Times was claiming the damages to them were, namely $300,000 for his use of, or his alleged use of their LexisNexis account.
[25:28.040 --> 25:34.700]  And I calculated, that's like about a 17 times exaggeration of what it might have been.
[25:34.780 --> 25:40.100]  And I still think $64,000 was probably an overestimate, but not as much as $300,000.
[25:40.100 --> 26:06.100]  So the Supreme Court thing you brought up, though, was this Blakely decision that came down just two or three weeks ago, which the Supreme Court ruled it was unconstitutional for the government to introduce any damage figures or drug weights or any numeric amount at sentencing to increase the defendant's sentence,
[26:06.160 --> 26:07.860]  which is standard procedure for years.
[26:08.000 --> 26:17.320]  In hacker cases, drug cases, all sorts of cases, the dollar amount of the drug weights are frequently used to increase the sentence by many years.
[26:17.560 --> 26:21.280]  And prosecutors use that sort of a sledgehammer to say, hey, we don't plead guilty.
[26:21.280 --> 26:25.260]  We're going to trot out these figures at sentencing, which we don't have to prove.
[26:25.260 --> 26:27.980]  Because at sentencing, there's no evidentiary rules.
[26:28.120 --> 26:28.660]  They don't apply.
[26:28.820 --> 26:29.980]  They don't have to prove anything.
[26:31.900 --> 26:39.640]  So in a lot of cases, they can just trot out these bogus figures, and the judge just has to say, okay, well, they must be true.
[26:39.800 --> 26:42.120]  There's no evidence rules there.
[26:42.300 --> 26:52.320]  So in this case, you've got to pay about $64,000 for restitution, which is not unusual to pay an attorney that much for it.
[26:52.320 --> 26:56.940]  That's how much my legal fees came to be, about $60,000, and Kevin's were probably a lot as well.
[26:57.380 --> 27:01.080]  Well, now, Mike was actually in the courtroom while this was going on.
[27:01.140 --> 27:03.100]  Mike, you want to describe what the scene was like?
[27:05.220 --> 27:13.240]  There was a lot of stern lecturing going on from the judge, mostly directed at the audience rather than at Adrian, which was kind of strange.
[27:13.240 --> 27:14.220]  Oh, wait, you got lectured?
[27:14.340 --> 27:20.340]  Well, just there was a general lecture delivered that in case anyone thinks this is a light sentence, it's really not.
[27:20.340 --> 27:21.840]  Oh, so that was the message to the hacker community.
[27:21.980 --> 27:23.780]  Well, let's convey the message then.
[27:23.920 --> 27:26.820]  Well, I think that's the judge's responsibility, not mine.
[27:26.880 --> 27:28.700]  Well, I'd just like to hear what she had to say.
[27:28.800 --> 27:43.780]  Well, the judge wants us to know, Judge Buckwald is her name, Judge Buckwald wants us to know that having a felony conviction is a really unpleasant thing, and other people should not commit the same crimes that Adrian committed.
[27:44.680 --> 27:45.500]  Oh, okay.
[27:45.800 --> 27:48.080]  That's the extent of the message there?
[27:48.080 --> 27:50.040]  I didn't say it was a brilliant message.
[27:50.400 --> 27:54.760]  Well, I don't think anybody thinks that he's been through anything easy or pleasant.
[27:56.020 --> 27:59.400]  In fact, I've heard some people say he got off light, which really bugs me.
[27:59.500 --> 28:04.880]  There's this mentality out there that, yeah, he shouldn't have been messing with these computers.
[28:04.880 --> 28:05.860]  What would he expect?
[28:06.320 --> 28:10.740]  It's not like he was trying to get away with something.
[28:11.060 --> 28:11.900]  He was out there.
[28:12.020 --> 28:12.320]  He was open.
[28:12.440 --> 28:13.320]  He was saying, look what I'm doing.
[28:13.320 --> 28:14.100]  I'm able to do this.
[28:14.100 --> 28:18.360]  It's wide open, and he went to Security Focus and reported this.
[28:18.420 --> 28:22.380]  Yeah, that doesn't mean that he should get a medal for it, but does it mean he should go to prison?
[28:22.460 --> 28:29.260]  Does it mean he should pay a huge amount of money that probably was never spent in the first place to use this service?
[28:29.680 --> 28:35.000]  I don't think it's very likely that the New York Times doesn't have an unlimited account with LexisNexis.
[28:35.020 --> 28:36.060]  I really don't think so.
[28:36.160 --> 28:38.420]  I think that they didn't have to spend anything on this.
[28:38.420 --> 28:43.680]  So the fact that he had to go through this whole process just because he embarrassed them, I think that's the real story.
[28:43.820 --> 28:51.500]  And it's got nothing to do with whether or not you think what he did was moral or righteous or anything short of just playing it up for the media.
[28:52.560 --> 28:56.720]  You have to look at just the responsibility of the people that run these systems.
[28:56.720 --> 29:12.420]  And the fact that he reported this story, he went to reporters who put it up on websites, and yet it remained for however long it was that he continued to use the system, it was not fixed until they let enough time go by where they could say, look, he's been doing this for this amount of time.
[29:13.100 --> 29:16.260]  The whole thing smacks of misleading the public.
[29:16.260 --> 29:22.980]  It speaks volumes, Emanuel, that the New York Times has not reported, to my knowledge, anything about Adrian's sentencing.
[29:24.000 --> 29:36.260]  Because I think if they had, they would have had to publicly admit that they had exaggerated by about 17 times or more what their actual damages were.
[29:36.660 --> 29:39.300]  They originally claimed it came to about $300,000.
[29:39.540 --> 29:42.560]  I'm sure the government put them up to it, as they did in Kevin Mitnick's case.
[29:42.560 --> 29:46.760]  But I think that's why they haven't reported anything.
[29:47.140 --> 29:51.180]  The New York Times should be pretty well-practiced at making retractions.
[29:51.440 --> 29:54.720]  But in this case, I think they just wanted to keep it low-key.
[29:55.940 --> 29:57.520]  Well, we just can't do that here.
[29:58.500 --> 30:00.120]  Stories should definitely be reported.
[30:00.240 --> 30:02.300]  It is interesting how it's gotten very little press.
[30:02.900 --> 30:11.480]  The judge, by the way, was very grumpy that any press had covered the story as though this is somehow Adrian's fault.
[30:13.000 --> 30:21.560]  And, you know, I didn't, but I was very tempted to just, like, get up and scream, hey, I'm the press, and, like, Adrian didn't tell me to come here.
[30:21.680 --> 30:23.920]  But I don't think that would have helped.
[30:24.640 --> 30:25.720]  No, it probably wouldn't have.
[30:27.060 --> 30:28.060]  It's a tough situation.
[30:28.260 --> 30:29.080]  You would have had more time than Adrian.
[30:29.260 --> 30:30.700]  You would have got a contempt of court there, probably.
[30:30.700 --> 30:31.320]  Yeah, something like that.
[30:31.440 --> 30:32.040]  Contempt of court.
[30:33.580 --> 30:34.860]  Well, okay, so that's...
[30:34.860 --> 30:35.940]  At least he's not going to prison.
[30:35.940 --> 30:45.040]  But, you know, it just bugs me to see people saying, you know, break the law in any way, any kind of transgression, and you get what you deserve, no matter what happens.
[30:45.360 --> 30:48.060]  That's the mentality that we seem to be moving towards.
[30:48.360 --> 31:13.560]  In my memory, Manuel, I can't recall any well-publicized hacker case where it was so clear-cut that the defendant, the accused, was really going out of his way to be altruistic and really point out on a consistent basis to the so-called victims that, hey,
[31:13.980 --> 31:15.680]  these are your problems.
[31:17.240 --> 31:18.760]  This is what needs to be fixed.
[31:19.000 --> 31:25.360]  And, you know, this is as clear-cut a case as I can recall where there really were no victims, per se.
[31:25.700 --> 31:30.940]  Right, and it goes to show, too, that those people who find security holes, why don't they come forward?
[31:30.960 --> 31:32.560]  Because look what happens when you do come forward.
[31:32.760 --> 31:34.120]  You know, you still get prosecuted.
[31:34.180 --> 31:35.400]  You still have the book thrown at you.
[31:35.440 --> 31:43.140]  You're still made to apologize and pay huge amounts of restitution, even though you're showing them how stupid they are and how wide open their system is.
[31:43.500 --> 31:45.360]  You know, that's really what this is.
[31:45.520 --> 31:53.760]  It would be great if some of the companies, and he helped many companies identify security holes, some of whom even thanked him, and, hey, thanks for pointing out these holes.
[31:53.900 --> 32:02.520]  It would be really nice if some of these companies came forward and helped pay some of these so-called restitution, $65,000 of restitution.
[32:02.700 --> 32:03.280]  It would be wonderful.
[32:03.380 --> 32:03.940]  That would be nice.
[32:04.040 --> 32:04.580]  That would be nice.
[32:04.640 --> 32:11.840]  It would be nice if they had come forward beforehand to publicly say that, by the way, this person helped us out tremendously.
[32:11.840 --> 32:22.520]  The one thing I have to add is that at the court case, there had been a restriction on Adrian that he could use e-mail.
[32:22.720 --> 32:25.620]  And it turns out he had also used instant messaging.
[32:25.900 --> 32:32.860]  And there was a general agreement among the defense, the prosecution, and the judge that instant messaging is e-mail.
[32:32.940 --> 32:37.380]  And I was amused to see all these people agreeing on something that is factually untrue.
[32:37.560 --> 32:38.800]  But it worked out well for Adrian.
[32:38.800 --> 32:41.620]  Why was it brought up in the first place if it wasn't a contentious issue?
[32:41.860 --> 32:43.940]  Well, they were just discussing it.
[32:44.220 --> 32:47.120]  Okay, so they said instant messaging is the same as e-mail.
[32:47.240 --> 32:49.940]  Instant messaging is e-mail, according to Judge Buckwald.
[32:50.120 --> 32:51.020]  It's instant e-mail.
[32:51.180 --> 32:53.560]  Okay, so then it's IRC e-mail.
[32:53.700 --> 32:54.980]  You know, they didn't really get into that.
[32:55.900 --> 32:57.360]  They really don't know what they're talking about.
[32:58.300 --> 33:00.860]  And again, I was not going to challenge them on this.
[33:00.860 --> 33:01.440]  Wait a minute, wait a minute.
[33:01.460 --> 33:02.540]  This is a federal president.
[33:02.720 --> 33:03.640]  Let's not argue with it.
[33:03.660 --> 33:04.460]  It may be a good thing.
[33:04.840 --> 33:05.380]  I don't know.
[33:05.600 --> 33:09.020]  Federal presidents that aren't, you know, as far as technology.
[33:09.180 --> 33:10.160]  They're not accurate.
[33:10.380 --> 33:11.300]  I don't know if those are good things.
[33:11.460 --> 33:11.580]  Bernie?
[33:12.080 --> 33:15.580]  Mike, since you were with the sentencing, were there any amicus briefs read?
[33:15.800 --> 33:19.080]  You know, a friend of the court letters read on behalf of the...
[33:19.080 --> 33:20.080]  There was nothing read.
[33:20.560 --> 33:20.960]  Really?
[33:21.340 --> 33:23.980]  I mean, it could have been submitted, but it wasn't read aloud.
[33:23.980 --> 33:28.400]  Like, often, often at sentencing, a judge will read amicus briefs that are submitted.
[33:28.700 --> 33:30.480]  But it's interesting that none are read.
[33:30.480 --> 33:32.220]  I'm sure that there were many sent.
[33:32.660 --> 33:34.480]  So it's interesting they were omitted.
[33:36.400 --> 33:38.260]  Or, yeah, I'd like to know if they were sent.
[33:38.620 --> 33:39.080]  Definitely.
[33:40.180 --> 33:43.520]  Okay, so that's the story as far as the Adrian Lamo case goes.
[33:44.040 --> 33:50.300]  Does anyone know if there's a fund set up to help Adrian pay his...
[33:50.300 --> 33:54.540]  I don't know of one, and I don't believe he's asked for one, but...
[33:54.540 --> 33:59.620]  It wouldn't be like him to ask for one, but someone must be setting something up somewhere.
[33:59.940 --> 34:00.180]  Yeah.
[34:01.160 --> 34:02.020]  I'll ask around.
[34:02.240 --> 34:05.860]  You know, and if something does come up, I can certainly talk about it here.
[34:06.420 --> 34:09.380]  And hopefully people will want to help out in some way.
[34:09.960 --> 34:10.720]  Would be nice.
[34:11.400 --> 34:14.040]  But, yeah, that's a story live from the courtroom.
[34:14.200 --> 34:16.160]  Well, actually, you were in the courtroom, what was it, a week ago?
[34:16.920 --> 34:17.320]  Yeah.
[34:17.820 --> 34:18.060]  Okay.
[34:20.700 --> 34:24.220]  All right, we're going to take phone calls, 212-209-2900.
[34:24.600 --> 34:26.280]  I want to read this letter.
[34:26.440 --> 34:34.280]  People can send us letters, OTH at 2600.com, or to, off the hook, care of WBAI, 120 Wall Street, New York, New York.
[34:34.760 --> 34:37.540]  1-0-0-0-5.
[34:37.920 --> 34:38.380]  Good.
[34:38.500 --> 34:38.980]  You've been practicing.
[34:39.740 --> 34:41.920]  This person writes in, three U.S.
[34:42.000 --> 34:45.720]  companies are making touchscreen voting machines that leave no paper trail.
[34:45.980 --> 34:50.840]  A Kerry vote could easily be changed to a Bush vote with no record of it, according to various people.
[34:51.540 --> 34:55.060]  Two states, Maryland and Georgia, are already completely dominated by them.
[34:55.320 --> 34:57.740]  I don't know which other states have them.
[34:58.060 --> 35:00.080]  No one seems to be making a fuss about this.
[35:00.360 --> 35:02.040]  Well, you should listen to our show.
[35:02.880 --> 35:08.020]  If they manage to pull a coup that installs the permanent empire, all other issues will be irrelevant.
[35:08.320 --> 35:10.780]  So there's no more important issue between now and November.
[35:10.940 --> 35:14.760]  I think most people don't know about it, and those that do know, don't know what to do.
[35:15.560 --> 35:16.800]  WBAI, please spread the word.
[35:16.940 --> 35:19.380]  Maybe we could have phone trees, flyers, etc.
[35:19.720 --> 35:21.260]  It's going to take a grassroots effort.
[35:22.400 --> 35:25.620]  Well, one place where we're talking about this is right here on Off the Hook.
[35:25.780 --> 35:28.900]  But, you know, I saw something last night on one of the major networks.
[35:29.020 --> 35:29.560]  I think it was CNN.
[35:29.840 --> 35:41.020]  They had a little poll on their screen saying, should states or ballot machines be required to give paper receipts?
[35:41.720 --> 35:46.000]  Now, you know, I was thinking to myself, I always like to think about what the response is going to be.
[35:46.780 --> 35:55.600]  If the response, I think, was anything less than 60% in favor of this, then I was convinced that the battle would be lost.
[35:55.740 --> 35:58.040]  Maybe not this year, but certainly in a couple of years.
[35:58.340 --> 36:00.840]  And I was thinking, you know, it really should be 70% or above.
[36:02.060 --> 36:06.300]  And when I finally looked at the results, it was 98%.
[36:06.300 --> 36:06.640]  Wow.
[36:06.640 --> 36:07.100]  I said yes.
[36:07.260 --> 36:09.580]  So, I mean, that tells me that people do care about this.
[36:09.780 --> 36:10.700]  You know, people...
[36:10.700 --> 36:18.880]  Unfortunately, paper receipts would be merely, you know, pretty much symbolic because unless there's some other paper trail, just giving you a receipt is kind of pointless.
[36:19.100 --> 36:20.640]  Was everybody going to have to come back?
[36:20.820 --> 36:21.380]  I know.
[36:21.720 --> 36:24.080]  No, the whole thing, the whole thing is flawed, Bernie.
[36:24.240 --> 36:24.640]  Absolutely.
[36:24.860 --> 36:30.040]  But what this tells me is that people do care about it enough to voice an opinion like that.
[36:30.480 --> 36:32.840]  And we have to come up with something that works.
[36:32.840 --> 36:38.200]  And right now, I don't see anything that really works other than, you know, counting, counting like we always have counted.
[36:38.720 --> 36:40.220]  Or like most of those accounts.
[36:40.380 --> 36:41.020]  In the case, maybe.
[36:41.240 --> 36:41.420]  Yeah, yeah.
[36:42.720 --> 36:43.220]  Let's see.
[36:43.320 --> 36:43.600]  What else?
[36:44.840 --> 36:46.960]  Dear Off the Hook, I wanted to let you know how much fun I had at the conference.
[36:46.960 --> 36:49.920]  I signed up because my husband was going and because I wanted to see Jello Biafra.
[36:50.080 --> 36:54.280]  To my surprise and delight, all the panels I attended were entertaining, provocative, and thoughtful.
[36:54.560 --> 36:57.060]  I particularly enjoyed watching the live Off the Hook.
[36:57.220 --> 36:59.500]  You guys earned yourself a new loyal fan.
[36:59.860 --> 37:03.760]  It is a credit to Emmanuel and the other organizers and presenters that I had such a good time.
[37:03.800 --> 37:05.320]  I am a techno-geek wannabe.
[37:05.320 --> 37:08.340]  I don't really know anything about, well, anything.
[37:08.540 --> 37:09.380]  Oh, I doubt that's true.
[37:09.940 --> 37:13.800]  Despite that, there were only two panels that had me walking out feeling dumber than when I walked in.
[37:13.900 --> 37:15.480]  And I went to a lot of panels.
[37:16.120 --> 37:19.200]  So, congratulations for making Hope 5 accessible to the likes of me.
[37:19.360 --> 37:20.840]  Thanks for showing me a good time.
[37:21.080 --> 37:21.760]  Signed, Zooey.
[37:21.980 --> 37:26.640]  And thanks very much for showing up and for being open to all these different things.
[37:27.040 --> 37:31.560]  Someone else writes in to say that the actor that was seen in the movie room was...
[37:31.560 --> 37:33.500]  Well, there's some conflict here.
[37:33.500 --> 37:35.800]  Someone said it was Welge Jehowitz from Barney Miller.
[37:35.980 --> 37:41.060]  And then someone else said it was somebody from the boss from Malcolm in the Middle, I think.
[37:41.240 --> 37:46.560]  No, it was George's boss on Seinfeld who also is on Malcolm in the Middle.
[37:46.640 --> 37:47.220]  I thought these were the same person.
[37:47.220 --> 37:48.120]  Those are two different actors.
[37:48.500 --> 37:52.500]  And Max Gale is the first one and Daniel Von Bargain is the second one.
[37:52.820 --> 37:55.360]  So, I don't know which one was there if either of them were there.
[37:55.540 --> 37:59.680]  So, if there are any other sightings of either of these actors at our conference, please let us know because we're curious.
[38:00.020 --> 38:03.920]  Dan, if either of you are listening, please write in and let us know which one you were.
[38:04.040 --> 38:05.640]  Yeah, clear this up because it's really bothering us.
[38:05.640 --> 38:07.360]  Didn't they ask him if he was Max Gale?
[38:08.260 --> 38:10.300]  I thought that was in the letter that he asked him.
[38:10.420 --> 38:12.500]  Yeah, he said he did.
[38:12.700 --> 38:13.960]  Well, actually, he called in and said that.
[38:14.200 --> 38:14.400]  Okay.
[38:14.600 --> 38:14.940]  Right.
[38:15.100 --> 38:15.560]  Oh, you're right.
[38:16.580 --> 38:17.200]  I don't know.
[38:17.340 --> 38:17.800]  We don't know.
[38:18.060 --> 38:19.540]  We do get prank calls sometimes.
[38:19.980 --> 38:20.600]  Who knows?
[38:20.780 --> 38:22.200]  Send in an autographed photo, too.
[38:22.260 --> 38:25.600]  I don't think Off the Hook or Toy 600 Magazine has ever really gotten one.
[38:27.280 --> 38:27.800]  Let's see.
[38:27.820 --> 38:31.100]  Here's a letter from Newfoundland from working in our local fire department.
[38:31.100 --> 38:37.360]  I've had the opportunity to play with an infrared thermal imaging camera pointing it at everything that gave off heat and it works great.
[38:37.580 --> 38:42.360]  The idea behind this particular device is to find people who may be stuck in a smoke-filled building.
[38:42.480 --> 38:48.080]  But I did notice that when I pointed it at my computer monitor through a glass window, it would not show the monitor as a heat generator.
[38:48.400 --> 38:53.600]  Even more interesting is that it would pick up the heat from my reflection in the glass.
[38:53.720 --> 38:59.200]  I assume that the glass is just reflecting the infrared light, but can it really block all the infrared light?
[38:59.380 --> 39:00.600]  What else could cause this?
[39:00.600 --> 39:04.040]  I can see a big problem if there were a person stuck in a room surrounded by glass.
[39:04.680 --> 39:05.200]  Signed, Rob.
[39:05.400 --> 39:07.440]  Any experts on this kind of thing here?
[39:07.560 --> 39:08.600]  This is really interesting.
[39:08.780 --> 39:11.380]  Rob, why don't you try a building that...
[39:11.380 --> 39:14.500]  Well, I don't think there are many buildings in Newfoundland that are all glass.
[39:15.560 --> 39:16.680]  Newfoundland's pretty big, you know.
[39:16.680 --> 39:17.980]  I know, but it's cold.
[39:19.000 --> 39:20.380]  And all glass buildings...
[39:20.380 --> 39:21.020]  They have to pay so much for heating.
[39:21.500 --> 39:21.720]  Yeah.
[39:21.880 --> 39:30.220]  A lot of glass, a lot of commercial glass has the filtering of wavelengths that are outside the visible range, both ultraviolet and infrared.
[39:31.760 --> 39:33.500]  So those can be damaging rays.
[39:33.720 --> 39:42.720]  So it could be that he's looking through a filter, basically, and not seeing the infrared emissions from that hot monitor.
[39:42.900 --> 39:45.140]  Although he didn't say, did he say it was a CRT monitor?
[39:45.140 --> 39:46.740]  It might have one of these flat panel monitors.
[39:46.900 --> 39:47.680]  They don't get very warm.
[39:48.840 --> 39:51.120]  It doesn't say what kind of panel.
[39:51.440 --> 39:52.580]  It's just a computer monitor.
[39:52.980 --> 39:53.940]  That could be his answer.
[39:54.080 --> 39:55.880]  I assumed there was a CRT, but...
[39:55.880 --> 39:56.200]  Yeah, me too.
[39:56.320 --> 39:58.520]  Were other things in that building hot, Rob?
[39:59.440 --> 40:00.400]  We should ask him.
[40:01.420 --> 40:01.800]  All right.
[40:01.900 --> 40:03.200]  Well, I'll just do some follow-ups in order.
[40:03.200 --> 40:06.280]  We wrote Rob back and we gave him some technical suggestions to try.
[40:06.480 --> 40:06.880]  Oh, did we?
[40:07.260 --> 40:08.660]  We look forward to his response.
[40:08.940 --> 40:09.200]  Okay.
[40:10.240 --> 40:10.980]  Here's another letter.
[40:11.100 --> 40:17.160]  As an employee for Walmart, I was introduced to a new system for CMS, which is basically people in charge of cash registers.
[40:17.420 --> 40:20.940]  The system uses a PDA using Windows Pocket PC OS.
[40:21.340 --> 40:29.280]  This PDA allows for cashiers to contact the CMS for change and voids, even price checks and other various functions such as employee tracking.
[40:29.740 --> 40:34.760]  From what I was told, the system may work in conjunction with RFID, merchandise tracking.
[40:35.180 --> 40:39.820]  The PDA costs around $7,000 and is wireless, which brings this question up.
[40:39.840 --> 40:42.040]  What would happen if you were able to hack into these systems?
[40:42.040 --> 40:47.820]  It is my belief that such systems could be compromised relatively easily using various wireless hacking techniques.
[40:48.000 --> 40:53.580]  I believe that the PDA system uses web encryption, though since I am not a member of management, I cannot verify this.
[40:53.900 --> 40:56.820]  If so, though, it could easily be owned by malicious persons.
[40:57.100 --> 40:58.220]  What is your feeling on this?
[40:58.280 --> 41:16.020]  And also, since the Xbox and PlayStation 2 have hard drives and broadband capability, and there are already numerous hacks and mods using anything from the memory cards to the hard drive, how long do you think it would be before there was a virus or a major exploit and denial-of-service attacks for these gaming consoles and their network signed Philip from Virginia?
[41:17.760 --> 41:30.520]  Well, about the cash register thing, if they are using web, given enough time, and I'm sure they don't rotate the keys in a store, the web could be cracked, so that wouldn't pose much of a barrier.
[41:31.920 --> 41:34.620]  I mean, someone could get into it, I suppose.
[41:36.020 --> 41:38.000]  I mean, anyone who's...
[41:38.000 --> 41:43.680]  I don't know any stores near me who have this, but, you know, anyone who's near one, try playing with it, see what you can do.
[41:43.860 --> 41:44.000]  Yeah.
[41:44.480 --> 41:47.780]  Although, you know, if you play with it too much and too successfully, you might...
[41:47.780 --> 41:49.080]  Don't do any searches while you're playing.
[41:49.080 --> 41:50.960]  Wind up in front of Judge Buckwall being lectured.
[41:51.160 --> 41:51.680]  On it, yeah.
[41:51.880 --> 41:52.660]  It could always happen.
[41:54.500 --> 41:56.260]  Yeah, this is a society we're moving into.
[41:56.460 --> 41:59.120]  Curious why they're spending $7,000 per PDA.
[41:59.380 --> 42:01.320]  I mean, you can get wireless PDAs for...
[42:01.320 --> 42:02.880]  Well, these are special ones, I guess.
[42:03.000 --> 42:06.040]  They have special software that makes them extra expensive.
[42:06.800 --> 42:07.440]  Silly me.
[42:07.540 --> 42:15.220]  And there was an interesting article in the Times a couple of days ago about 311, 311 being the city number that everyone's calling for all kinds of things.
[42:15.560 --> 42:25.780]  The Bloomberg administration is planning a major expansion of the 311 hotline that will allow college to find out about concerts, museum exhibits, restaurants, theaters, and even last-minute street closings.
[42:26.440 --> 42:37.860]  The addition of a host of tourism and travel-related listings to the 311 system is being undertaken just in time to help thousands of tourists to the Republican convention next month navigate the city by simply picking up a phone.
[42:38.340 --> 42:40.080]  Of course, you've got to put money in the pay phones.
[42:40.520 --> 42:42.380]  And I don't think it works from all phones.
[42:42.620 --> 42:44.660]  Let's try it from this phone here if it works.
[42:45.680 --> 42:47.060]  It works from cell phones.
[42:48.080 --> 42:49.000]  Does it work from cell phones?
[42:49.100 --> 42:49.620]  Just 311.
[42:49.920 --> 42:50.160]  Yeah.
[42:51.560 --> 42:52.880]  I'm not sure if it works from the BAI.
[42:52.920 --> 42:55.080]  I want to call them and ask them how to get to the protest.
[42:56.760 --> 42:57.500]  That's a good one.
[42:57.940 --> 42:58.900]  Yeah, that is a good one.
[42:59.240 --> 43:00.000]  See, nothing's happening.
[43:00.700 --> 43:02.860]  You can also call 212 New York.
[43:03.040 --> 43:03.620]  Not many people know.
[43:03.620 --> 43:04.060]  Oh, really?
[43:04.280 --> 43:04.400]  Yeah.
[43:04.520 --> 43:05.160]  I didn't know that.
[43:05.260 --> 43:05.920]  No one knows that.
[43:06.080 --> 43:09.120]  Is that 311's other line?
[43:09.720 --> 43:11.300]  That's my understanding, of course.
[43:11.460 --> 43:12.000]  I could be wrong.
[43:12.000 --> 43:12.880]  Have you experimented?
[43:13.060 --> 43:13.920]  I have not.
[43:14.300 --> 43:14.460]  Ah.
[43:14.820 --> 43:15.160]  All right.
[43:15.240 --> 43:16.260]  Well, we have to experiment then.
[43:16.440 --> 43:18.340]  But you see, I'm getting complete silence.
[43:18.440 --> 43:20.120]  Is there a 311 operator on the line?
[43:21.680 --> 43:22.500]  No, there's nobody.
[43:22.700 --> 43:23.240]  There's nobody.
[43:23.500 --> 43:25.420]  And you know, they're not very helpful either, I have to point out.
[43:25.460 --> 43:30.620]  A friend of mine was trying to report raw sewage pouring into the street on Christie Street.
[43:30.780 --> 43:31.280]  You know?
[43:31.500 --> 43:34.600]  And they would not take the report unless he could spell Christie for them.
[43:35.800 --> 43:37.340]  Yeah, he had to spell it out.
[43:37.400 --> 43:38.240]  And he didn't know how to spell it.
[43:38.260 --> 43:39.600]  And he said, you know, this isn't really the point.
[43:40.360 --> 43:41.400]  It's raw sewage.
[43:41.400 --> 43:44.560]  And they wouldn't take the report because he wouldn't follow their stupid rules.
[43:44.720 --> 43:45.660]  C-H-R-Y-S-T-I-E.
[43:45.660 --> 43:46.400]  Okay, fine, Mr. Jeopardy.
[43:46.460 --> 43:48.700]  You know how to spell it, but not everybody does.
[43:49.720 --> 43:51.600]  Besides, you know, sometimes you're in a hurry.
[43:51.780 --> 43:55.500]  You don't have time to stay on the phone and fill out forms just trying to tell somebody something.
[43:55.720 --> 43:57.300]  By the way, you might be interested in this.
[43:57.420 --> 44:01.540]  There's also a piece in this week's New York Press about 311.
[44:01.820 --> 44:06.940]  And they're going to start demanding the names and of the people who call, names and addresses.
[44:07.300 --> 44:07.560]  Really?
[44:07.680 --> 44:09.020]  People are prank calling 311?
[44:09.280 --> 44:12.580]  People are using 311 to get vengeance upon their neighbors.
[44:12.840 --> 44:14.700]  Yeah, that was mentioned in the Times article, too.
[44:14.880 --> 44:15.160]  Really?
[44:15.260 --> 44:15.660]  Vengeance?
[44:16.020 --> 44:21.220]  Well, the other thing that 311 is being used for is to keep you from knowing the real phone numbers.
[44:21.640 --> 44:22.880]  You've got 311 for everything.
[44:23.020 --> 44:25.060]  You don't know what the phone number for the mayor is.
[44:25.060 --> 44:28.000]  You don't know what the phone number for, you know, the parking ticket people.
[44:28.100 --> 44:29.120]  You just know 311.
[44:29.340 --> 44:30.360]  That's just the clearinghouse.
[44:30.500 --> 44:33.120]  And they transfer you to whatever the number is.
[44:33.460 --> 44:35.980]  So maybe it'll reach the stage where you can't even call.
[44:36.080 --> 44:38.080]  You can only get through by 311.
[44:38.320 --> 44:39.080]  A routing center.
[44:39.180 --> 44:40.460]  Let's try that number.
[44:41.180 --> 44:42.000]  Let's get a dial tone.
[44:42.880 --> 44:43.580]  Do we have a dial tone?
[44:43.720 --> 44:44.260]  No, we don't.
[44:44.340 --> 44:45.340]  We have a caller instead.
[44:45.480 --> 44:47.900]  I'm sorry about that, but we're trying to call out.
[44:48.040 --> 44:48.140]  Okay.
[44:49.880 --> 44:50.240]  212...
[44:51.340 --> 44:51.940]  New York?
[44:52.560 --> 44:53.040]  All right.
[44:53.480 --> 44:54.180]  N-E-W?
[44:54.480 --> 44:55.620]  I know how to spell it.
[45:09.190 --> 45:12.310]  I hope we're not calling someone at their home who has that phone number.
[45:13.470 --> 45:14.870]  Well, we should inform them of it.
[45:15.370 --> 45:17.150]  Does 311 usually ring like this?
[45:17.430 --> 45:18.210]  I've never called it.
[45:18.250 --> 45:18.350]  Hello?
[45:19.410 --> 45:20.270]  What number is this?
[45:21.470 --> 45:22.530]  What number do you want?
[45:23.030 --> 45:23.390]  311?
[45:24.110 --> 45:24.850]  No, we have...
[45:24.850 --> 45:25.790]  It's the wrong number.
[45:26.050 --> 45:27.310]  Oh, is this 212 New York?
[45:27.970 --> 45:29.390]  I call somebody at their house!
[45:29.990 --> 45:30.990]  Can you believe that?
[45:31.210 --> 45:32.570]  How could you make me do that, Mike?
[45:32.670 --> 45:33.090]  I'm sorry.
[45:33.630 --> 45:34.510]  Oh, call 311.
[45:34.510 --> 45:35.310]  I feel bad for them.
[45:35.430 --> 45:36.490]  I feel like they're going to get a...
[45:36.490 --> 45:39.030]  Not only that, we've given out their number over the air like that.
[45:39.130 --> 45:39.630]  That's horrible.
[45:40.250 --> 45:41.430]  It's a great number to have.
[45:41.810 --> 45:43.750]  You've got to look into these things before you give them out.
[45:44.010 --> 45:44.610]  Oh, heavens.
[45:45.810 --> 45:46.270]  All right.
[45:46.410 --> 45:46.850]  Well, 311.
[45:47.150 --> 45:47.970]  Call that instead.
[45:48.790 --> 45:49.710]  Let's take some phone calls.
[45:49.790 --> 45:51.350]  212-209-2900.
[45:52.410 --> 45:53.050]  And good evening.
[45:53.130 --> 45:53.490]  You're on the air.
[45:54.430 --> 45:55.910]  Oh, I feel so sorry for her.
[45:56.330 --> 45:57.030]  It was her again.
[45:57.110 --> 45:59.050]  Well, how can you survive in New York with that phone number?
[45:59.170 --> 45:59.430]  Good evening.
[45:59.470 --> 45:59.930]  You're on the air.
[45:59.930 --> 46:00.810]  Hey, Emmanuel.
[46:01.510 --> 46:02.390]  Two things.
[46:02.590 --> 46:04.670]  One about the infrared cameras.
[46:04.670 --> 46:06.610]  I'm actually a firefighter.
[46:06.670 --> 46:09.710]  It's kind of a known fact that those don't work through glass.
[46:10.410 --> 46:11.570]  It was actually interesting.
[46:11.570 --> 46:18.830]  They used that to fight a case where they had an infrared camera and they saw someone's heat light who was growing pot.
[46:19.550 --> 46:24.590]  And they said, it's not a big deal because these things can't see through glass.
[46:24.590 --> 46:26.710]  So we didn't really violate any of his privacy.
[46:27.230 --> 46:27.750]  Really?
[46:28.270 --> 46:29.090]  A few years back.
[46:29.090 --> 46:32.010]  There was a Supreme Court case, a Caiolo decision.
[46:32.290 --> 46:45.130]  It ruled that using infrared sensors to look at heat signatures for people growing pot was a Fourth Amendment violation that a search warrant must apply.
[46:45.490 --> 46:49.330]  So finally, Calmerheads ruled.
[46:50.010 --> 46:54.930]  The other thing I wanted to real quickly thank you for was the conference.
[46:54.930 --> 46:56.590]  It was really, really amazing.
[46:56.850 --> 47:00.930]  Tried to get in last week and call you and, you know, thank you for everything that went on.
[47:01.290 --> 47:01.930]  Well, thanks.
[47:01.930 --> 47:02.470]  Thanks for coming.
[47:02.590 --> 47:03.210]  Where are you from?
[47:03.770 --> 47:04.910]  I'm from Edgewater, actually.
[47:05.050 --> 47:05.810]  Right across the river.
[47:06.230 --> 47:06.670]  Great.
[47:07.890 --> 47:11.030]  But the pictures, there was these pictures that you showed of...
[47:11.030 --> 47:18.430]  You talked about them last week of the riot heavy-armed New York police in front of the banners.
[47:18.430 --> 47:22.150]  And I haven't been able to find those on the website.
[47:23.030 --> 47:32.090]  There is a picture, I think it's up on the website now, of a couple of New York City cops in full riot gear standing in front of our window with the big brother is watching you sign.
[47:32.910 --> 47:40.450]  I don't have the exact URL, but if you go to hope.net, and on the main page is a listing of all the different...
[47:42.450 --> 47:45.030]  Mike, could you make your personal phone calls out in the hallway, please?
[47:45.030 --> 47:45.510]  Sorry.
[47:47.610 --> 47:51.990]  Basically, somebody took a picture of that and put it on the main webpage, which is hope.net.
[47:53.130 --> 47:56.350]  Yeah, that was just an amazing, amazing picture that's kind of...
[47:56.350 --> 48:01.970]  I don't feel like captures that conference so perfectly of, you know, just big brother and then the riot police.
[48:03.290 --> 48:07.130]  But yeah, I just wanted to thank you so much, and I look forward to going again in two years.
[48:07.350 --> 48:08.330]  Yeah, I look forward to having you.
[48:09.410 --> 48:10.130]  Take care.
[48:10.690 --> 48:12.150]  Mike, was that something that concerned us?
[48:12.290 --> 48:17.610]  Yes, I just spoke to the 311 service, and they told me that the number is indeed 212 New York.
[48:17.770 --> 48:18.750]  Well, you saw me dial it.
[48:19.330 --> 48:20.870]  You might have dialed the wrong number.
[48:21.610 --> 48:22.770]  Well, I spelled it out.
[48:22.850 --> 48:23.450]  Maybe the phone...
[48:23.450 --> 48:24.850]  I'm not going to dial it again, if that's what you think.
[48:24.890 --> 48:25.370]  I'm just saying...
[48:25.370 --> 48:25.510]  You know what?
[48:25.550 --> 48:29.670]  You go outside, and you call that 212 New York number, and you deal with the wrath you get if you get the wrong number.
[48:29.810 --> 48:30.450]  All right, all right.
[48:30.530 --> 48:31.630]  You know, I'd like to know.
[48:31.770 --> 48:32.570]  I'd like to know for sure.
[48:32.830 --> 48:33.050]  Okay.
[48:33.450 --> 48:36.630]  That would be good if we dialed the wrong number because then we don't know what person we did dial.
[48:37.150 --> 48:37.830]  That would be better.
[48:45.030 --> 48:53.570]  Turned all late, but did anyone talk about IPv6 suddenly by ICANN being put into the root server?
[48:53.690 --> 48:56.210]  So now IPv6 is now a reality.
[48:56.530 --> 48:58.330]  No, I didn't hear that.
[48:58.450 --> 49:03.370]  If you go to news.google.com, just put in IPv6.
[49:03.550 --> 49:05.290]  It's about maybe a thousand stories on it.
[49:05.590 --> 49:09.050]  Now in the ICANN's root server, so it's now a reality.
[49:09.530 --> 49:10.330]  All right, thank you.
[49:10.470 --> 49:12.030]  All right, thanks for alerting us to that.
[49:12.030 --> 49:23.530]  Well, I like how Bennett Cerf, one of the fathers of the Internet, said that they're going to have to debug it for about 20 years, too, for interoperability with version 4.
[49:25.370 --> 49:26.670]  So lots of fun ahead.
[49:27.530 --> 49:28.230]  Sounds that way.
[49:28.410 --> 49:29.230]  Mike, what did you find out?
[49:29.270 --> 49:30.170]  It worked just fine.
[49:30.550 --> 49:32.750]  I'm going to call again, and you can talk this time.
[49:33.070 --> 49:33.390]  I don't know.
[49:33.470 --> 49:34.230]  You can watch me.
[49:34.430 --> 49:36.970]  If it rings a couple times, we should probably hang out.
[49:37.230 --> 49:38.430]  Ask them where to protest.
[49:38.610 --> 49:39.550]  That's what we should do.
[49:39.550 --> 49:45.870]  N-E-W-Y-O-R-K.
[49:46.070 --> 49:47.570]  The letter O, not the number O?
[49:47.850 --> 49:48.570]  The letter O.
[49:48.710 --> 49:48.850]  Okay.
[49:49.090 --> 49:49.610]  Numbers are O?
[49:49.750 --> 49:49.850]  Okay.
[49:50.830 --> 49:54.670]  I mean, sometimes this thing takes two digits, you know, so maybe that's what happened.
[49:56.310 --> 49:58.710]  Jim was spelling it for you earlier, but you cut him off.
[49:58.910 --> 50:00.470]  Well, I knew how to spell New York.
[50:00.570 --> 50:01.530]  We're not so sure now.
[50:03.750 --> 50:05.690]  Well, nothing's happening, so I guess that's a good sign.
[50:08.090 --> 50:10.690]  Yeah, it translates to 212-639-9675.
[50:11.810 --> 50:13.670]  Are you telling me this, or do you want me to tell the listener?
[50:13.750 --> 50:14.730]  I know how to spell New York.
[50:14.770 --> 50:15.870]  Well, I'm just providing...
[50:15.870 --> 50:18.350]  But apparently our phone system really doesn't want to go through.
[50:18.610 --> 50:20.070]  Is anybody from 301 on the line?
[50:21.350 --> 50:22.810]  No, they don't just pick up the phone.
[50:22.910 --> 50:25.010]  There's all kinds of computers talking to you.
[50:25.010 --> 50:25.790]  Okay, I've never called it.
[50:25.790 --> 50:26.250]  I don't know.
[50:27.590 --> 50:28.590]  Yeah, there's nobody there.
[50:29.830 --> 50:31.410]  There is no information available.
[50:32.630 --> 50:34.790]  All right, so, you know, I guess it'll work.
[50:34.950 --> 50:36.570]  All right, I'm glad we're not bothering that poor person.
[50:38.430 --> 50:39.410]  Good evening, you're on the air.
[50:39.990 --> 50:41.450]  Hi, yes, thank you for your show.
[50:41.690 --> 50:41.890]  Thank you.
[50:42.730 --> 50:48.310]  I've been trying to get through the 311 and have the same difficulty in different places, definitely on the cell phone.
[50:48.490 --> 50:49.970]  You get an angry woman, or you get silence?
[50:50.230 --> 50:51.550]  I get silence, just like you do.
[50:51.610 --> 50:54.450]  And that's from inside offices in Manhattan.
[50:54.450 --> 50:57.510]  I'm totally not able to get through, but on the cell phone, yes.
[50:57.930 --> 51:02.370]  But, you guys, I'm a new listener to you, and I love you guys, so thanks a lot.
[51:02.490 --> 51:03.170]  Thanks, thanks for calling.
[51:03.810 --> 51:05.310]  It's always nice to hear that, you know?
[51:05.330 --> 51:09.010]  And we had so many enthusiastic listeners at the live show.
[51:09.150 --> 51:09.970]  It was kind of cool.
[51:10.190 --> 51:11.270]  It's really weird to look out.
[51:11.470 --> 51:12.090]  Yeah, it wasn't scary.
[51:12.210 --> 51:19.470]  You look out, and there's hundreds of people, you know, and they're reacting to what you say, and Rebel's still there somehow.
[51:19.990 --> 51:20.490]  In the front.
[51:20.590 --> 51:21.790]  He had the video camera.
[51:21.890 --> 51:22.970]  He had the video camera.
[51:23.250 --> 51:23.370]  First person.
[51:23.370 --> 51:24.810]  He made sure someone taped him talking.
[51:25.030 --> 51:26.210]  Yeah, I want a copy of that tape.
[51:26.730 --> 51:27.490]  Good evening, you're on the air.
[51:28.210 --> 51:28.990]  Yeah, hi there.
[51:29.130 --> 51:29.410]  How you doing?
[51:30.250 --> 51:31.550]  Let me step away from my radio.
[51:31.730 --> 51:31.910]  Okay.
[51:32.590 --> 51:55.050]  And what I wanted to talk about was I was out in Ohio, and in route, my phone broke down, and then the situation was I went to buy a phone out in Mentor, Ohio, which was near Cleveland, and I have a 973 area code, and then they told me, no, we can sell after waiting hours online to get to the guy.
[51:55.050 --> 51:57.730]  We can sell you a phone, but we can't program it out here.
[51:58.290 --> 52:05.170]  And it struck me very odd, you know, that they can call me up from the Philippines or India or somewhere, you know, and try to get me to do this or that, but they can't.
[52:06.370 --> 52:07.370]  What company was this?
[52:07.870 --> 52:08.190]  Verizon.
[52:08.750 --> 52:11.150]  They couldn't program your phone because you were in Ohio?
[52:12.070 --> 52:21.710]  Yeah, I was trying to buy the phone in Ohio and program it with an area code that couldn't bring up my records from Ohio, my area code records.
[52:21.850 --> 52:28.130]  You know, I guess they couldn't tell whether or not I was really the person that owned this phone, you know, this phone number.
[52:28.130 --> 52:30.830]  Were you replacing an existing phone or getting it on service?
[52:31.010 --> 52:37.410]  I had an existing phone that I had dropped, and it cracked, I made a crack in a circuit board, and everything worked on it except my audio.
[52:37.410 --> 52:38.630]  You couldn't hear me talk.
[52:38.770 --> 52:38.990]  Uh-huh.
[52:39.250 --> 52:42.330]  And I tried to fix it, but I couldn't get anywhere with it.
[52:42.330 --> 52:46.050]  So they couldn't reach that phone to deprogram it and program your new phone?
[52:46.510 --> 52:51.890]  Well, they didn't have records out there of the 973 area code, which is a New Jersey area code.
[52:51.890 --> 52:55.550]  Well, they should be able to, I mean, they might not be able to...
[52:55.550 --> 52:56.130]  It's so simple.
[52:56.310 --> 53:02.090]  I mean, come on, you know, it's like, you know, I mean, who are they modeling this organization after, a motor vehicle or something?
[53:02.550 --> 53:03.930]  I think you got the runaround.
[53:04.230 --> 53:05.930]  I think they're very capable of doing that.
[53:06.470 --> 53:12.110]  Well, they very much wanted to sell me a phone, but they couldn't put it on in service from that location.
[53:12.110 --> 53:15.150]  Were these the people in the store telling you this, or a Verizon?
[53:15.170 --> 53:15.810]  A Verizon store.
[53:15.990 --> 53:18.650]  Not some franchise, but a Verizon store.
[53:18.670 --> 53:19.750]  A Verizon-owned store.
[53:20.970 --> 53:22.590]  Yeah, they should be able to do all of that.
[53:22.790 --> 53:23.990]  Well, they might not have...
[53:23.990 --> 53:32.470]  I mean, if they couldn't pull out the records, they might be able to copy your phone book from one phone to the other, but, you know, they'd have to change the system so that the ESS ID of the...
[53:32.470 --> 53:42.910]  Yeah, the ID of the new phone would match, you know, the phone number in their database so that when you tried to connect with that phone, it would say, okay, well, this is the one that's supposed to be at this number.
[53:43.330 --> 53:44.230]  But this is what they do.
[53:44.330 --> 53:54.610]  Well, I would say the moral of the story is that if you're leaving New Jersey with a broken cell phone and expect to buy one out in Mentor, Ohio, which is right near Cleveland, don't count on it.
[53:55.290 --> 53:55.570]  All right.
[53:56.290 --> 53:57.670]  Thanks for that warning.
[53:57.990 --> 54:00.590]  That's certainly a story to be careful.
[54:00.790 --> 54:10.810]  By the way, Bernie, I know I mentioned this to you, but one of the attendees at the conference, turns out we were talking about the... in Dayton, the car up in the sky where all the birds fly in.
[54:11.170 --> 54:15.090]  Turns out one of the attendees' grandfather owns that very structure.
[54:15.090 --> 54:16.790]  That was an amazing coincidence.
[54:17.010 --> 54:23.950]  That was so amazing that... and his grandfather heard our radio program where we were talking about it, and he was amazed that somebody actually noticed.
[54:24.630 --> 54:26.150]  We made a big deal about it, too.
[54:26.270 --> 54:27.230]  What a small world.
[54:27.730 --> 54:27.950]  All right.
[54:28.030 --> 54:29.450]  212-209-2900.
[54:29.810 --> 54:30.550]  And good evening.
[54:30.690 --> 54:30.890]  You're on.
[54:31.590 --> 54:32.010]  Hello.
[54:32.230 --> 54:32.570]  How you doing?
[54:32.870 --> 54:33.150]  All right.
[54:33.230 --> 54:33.430]  Fine.
[54:45.890 --> 54:55.290]  Now, they're having real problems getting anything done because of interruptions, and even there have been intimidations and some violence.
[54:55.530 --> 54:59.370]  But is this going to be something that one faction is going to say, this is not what happened?
[54:59.490 --> 55:02.650]  Well, there are actually videos on the Internet right now.
[55:02.890 --> 55:10.690]  If people want to track some of this, they can go to listenerforums.net and look around there if they can't find the videos right away if they ask.
[55:10.690 --> 55:19.490]  Well, I think the important thing to point out is that anybody can become part of the station by donating $25, and they can vote, and they can help us decide what direction to move in.
[55:19.630 --> 55:19.890]  Right.
[55:20.010 --> 55:24.270]  But it's really pretty important to have these meetings be able to run without the threat of violence.
[55:24.370 --> 55:24.870]  Oh, absolutely.
[55:25.270 --> 55:25.670]  Okay.
[55:25.810 --> 55:28.030]  Well, look, I'm asking you to look into it, if you would.
[55:28.130 --> 55:37.810]  And one question, is there any way to stream video from something like this, you know, that would be... that one could afford, you know?
[55:37.910 --> 55:39.010]  Stream video from what?
[55:39.270 --> 55:40.390]  From a meeting like this.
[55:40.690 --> 55:42.410]  I'm sure there's a way...
[55:42.410 --> 55:43.890]  Well, I mean, cost-effective.
[55:44.310 --> 55:48.810]  Well, I mean, you know, it might be more cost-effective to just tape it and then have it available later.
[55:48.930 --> 55:50.690]  Well, that would cause some of the violence.
[55:50.970 --> 55:57.230]  One of the board members actually pushed or shoved another board member who was trying to videotape the meetings.
[55:57.510 --> 56:00.590]  If this thing were being streamed live, I don't think that would happen.
[56:00.810 --> 56:01.990]  But, of course...
[56:01.990 --> 56:05.470]  Well, yeah, but then it would be shown on tape later that the person was pushing and shoved.
[56:05.470 --> 56:08.230]  Yes, but, you know, if you've got a meeting, you're trying to run a meeting.
[56:08.230 --> 56:09.670]  I mean, they're chaotic at this point.
[56:09.890 --> 56:11.750]  The last couple of meetings have been chaotic.
[56:12.430 --> 56:12.750]  Wow.
[56:12.750 --> 56:17.830]  So, anyway, getting back to the streaming, there's no way to do it that anybody in this realm could afford, I guess.
[56:17.950 --> 56:19.450]  Well, I mean, it's possible...
[56:19.450 --> 56:21.490]  I mean, you could get a webcam and hook it up.
[56:21.570 --> 56:26.330]  I don't know what kind of connection they have here internet-wise, but, you know, if you're given a fast enough pipe, you could do it.
[56:26.330 --> 56:28.390]  Any connection except a regular dial-up, I guess.
[56:28.390 --> 56:28.630]  Yeah.
[56:28.970 --> 56:29.250]  Yeah.
[56:29.450 --> 56:30.810]  I don't think that... I mean...
[56:30.810 --> 56:34.750]  I think the important thing is at least have some record of what's going on in some way and make that public.
[56:34.950 --> 56:39.650]  Well, like, if they go to listenerforums.net and look around, you'll find some of the videos there.
[56:39.970 --> 56:40.750]  Wait, what's the address?
[56:40.990 --> 56:43.570]  It's listenerforums.net.
[56:43.710 --> 56:43.970]  Okay.
[56:44.170 --> 56:47.910]  That's the independent WBAI issues web board.
[56:48.150 --> 56:48.430]  Okay.
[56:48.610 --> 56:50.230]  I mean, it's good to have that information there.
[56:50.310 --> 56:54.390]  And, of course, anybody who doesn't want you to have information there, they're probably the people to be wary of.
[56:54.390 --> 56:55.990]  Thanks for the information.
[56:56.550 --> 56:57.390]  Do we have time for one more?
[56:57.670 --> 56:58.830]  Let's see if we can squeeze this in.
[56:58.910 --> 56:59.210]  Good evening.
[56:59.370 --> 56:59.670]  You're on.
[57:00.290 --> 57:00.650]  All right.
[57:00.790 --> 57:01.690]  Well, just for that, you're not.
[57:02.490 --> 57:03.190]  Good evening.
[57:03.430 --> 57:03.830]  You're on.
[57:04.810 --> 57:05.390]  Go ahead.
[57:06.570 --> 57:07.010]  Yeah.
[57:07.650 --> 57:12.150]  I'm a technology writer and know a good bit about 311 systems.
[57:12.290 --> 57:22.550]  I thought you might be interested to know that my understanding is that New York has spent over $80 million setting up their 311 system.
[57:23.770 --> 57:24.510]  Really?
[57:24.590 --> 57:25.930]  That's a hefty sum.
[57:26.450 --> 57:30.570]  Well, you compare it to Chicago, which spent like a tenth of that amount.
[57:31.290 --> 57:32.810]  Do they have 311 in Chicago?
[57:33.370 --> 57:33.750]  Yeah.
[57:34.070 --> 57:42.130]  It's in Chicago, Baltimore, Houston, Dallas, Austin, Los Angeles.
[57:42.570 --> 57:42.790]  Oh.
[57:42.790 --> 57:46.570]  It's in probably 25 or 30 cities across the country.
[57:46.590 --> 57:49.990]  Well, I guess we should ask our listeners if 311 exists in your area and what it's like.
[57:50.450 --> 58:05.350]  Well, you know, I mean, a lot of what I know about it is that it's been a really, instead of having to go through the Blue Book and, you know, search in vain for a government number, you can actually just call 311 and get your problem resolved.
[58:05.350 --> 58:05.650]  Right.
[58:05.650 --> 58:07.650]  But as you can see, I can't call 311.
[58:07.650 --> 58:08.450]  I just get silence.
[58:08.990 --> 58:22.870]  Well, I think the interesting thing about it is that New York decided to go with Siebel Systems because when Mike Bloomberg came into power, he said, well, Siebel provides my customer relationship management system for Bloomberg.
[58:22.870 --> 58:26.370]  So it can do it for the city of New York.
[58:26.470 --> 58:41.430]  And the result was that instead of getting a private, a public sector, you know, oriented system, they bought something that was oriented for a private company and then spent $70 million customizing it to work for New York City.
[58:41.670 --> 58:41.970]  All right.
[58:42.010 --> 58:42.610]  Listen, we're out of time.
[58:42.750 --> 58:43.790]  Thanks for that information, though.
[58:44.230 --> 58:45.470]  We'll be back again next week.
[58:45.610 --> 58:46.330]  Another exciting show.
[58:46.670 --> 58:47.010]  Stay tuned.
[58:47.010 --> 58:53.050]  As I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I take a look at my life and realize it's nothing left.
[58:53.130 --> 58:58.710]  Cause I've been blasting and laughing so long that even my mama thinks that my mind is gone.
[58:58.710 --> 59:01.690]  But I ain't never crossed a man that didn't deserve it.
[59:01.990 --> 59:05.130]  Maybe treat it like a punk, you know that's unheard of.
[59:05.250 --> 59:08.010]  You better watch how you're talking and where you're walking.
[59:08.190 --> 59:10.670]  Or you and your homies might be lined and chalk.
[59:10.850 --> 59:13.510]  I really hate the trip, but I gotta look.
[59:13.990 --> 59:16.550]  As they grope, I see myself in the pistol smoke.
[59:16.550 --> 59:18.470]  Ooh, I'm the kind of cheetah.
[59:18.730 --> 59:23.270]  Little homies wanna be like on my knees in the night, saying prayers in the street, lie.
[59:23.690 --> 59:28.390]  This thing, most of the night, I'm putting in the excess power
[59:46.250 --> 59:46.890]  of life.
[59:47.170 --> 59:49.650]  Look at the situation they got me facing.
[59:49.970 --> 59:51.410]  I can't live a normal life.
[59:51.550 --> 59:55.610]  I was raised by the shit, so I gotta be there with the hood jeans.
[59:56.070 --> 59:58.610]  Too much television watching, got me chasing dreams.
[59:59.030 --> 01:00:01.790]  I'm an educated fool with money on my mind.
[01:00:02.070 --> 01:00:04.850]  Got my tin in my hand and a gleaming in my eye.
[01:00:04.930 --> 01:00:07.790]  I'm a locked out gangster, set, tripping banker.
[01:00:08.030 --> 01:00:10.650]  And my homies is down, so don't arouse my anger.
[01:00:10.850 --> 01:00:13.830]  Fool, death ain't nothing but a heartbeat away.
[01:00:13.830 --> 01:00:15.590]  I'm living life through a diet.
[01:00:15.850 --> 01:00:16.930]  What can I say?
[01:00:17.130 --> 01:00:20.170]  I'm 23 now, but will I live to see 24?
[01:00:20.350 --> 01:00:22.170]  The way things are going, I don't know.
[01:00:22.170 --> 01:00:28.230]  Tell me why are we so blind to see?
[01:00:28.410 --> 01:00:30.030]  That the one
[01:00:53.220 --> 01:00:58.660]  mountain standing most alive is paralyzed.
[01:00:59.280 --> 01:01:02.040]  Power and the money, money and the power.
[01:01:02.320 --> 01:01:05.000]  Minute after minute, hour after hour.
[01:01:05.640 --> 01:01:08.580]  Everybody's running, but half of them ain't looking, it's going...
[01:01:08.580 --> 01:01:14.280]  Hey, you're listening to WBAI New York 99.5 FM on your stereo dial.
[01:01:14.920 --> 01:01:15.860]  Ha ha ha.
[01:01:16.380 --> 01:01:26.080]  And I want you to know that it's Wednesday, July 21st, 2004.
[01:01:26.080 --> 01:01:27.500]  And four.
[01:01:28.020 --> 01:01:34.060]  And you're listening to the award-winning personal computer show.
[01:01:34.620 --> 01:01:35.060]  Ha ha.