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[00:16.700 --> 00:18.660]  In New York, I'm Deepa Fernandes.
[00:21.610 --> 00:27.450]  And it is just past seven o'clock here on radio station WBAI New York 99.5 FM.
[00:27.710 --> 00:29.050]  It's time then for Off the Hook.
[00:34.720 --> 00:55.700]  The telephone keeps ringing So I ripped it off the wall I cut myself while shaving Now I can't make a cough We couldn't get much worse From Diddley Bom for the best, expect the worst I hope that's understood From Diddley Bom!
[01:14.240 --> 01:16.380]  And do we have a manual with us?
[01:16.980 --> 01:17.840]  We do.
[01:18.020 --> 01:18.840]  At least I hear myself.
[01:18.960 --> 01:19.420]  Do you hear me?
[01:19.520 --> 01:20.040]  I hear you.
[01:21.320 --> 01:24.080]  Well, this week I'm coming to you from Amsterdam.
[01:24.080 --> 01:26.380]  I was in Madrid last week.
[01:26.520 --> 01:32.240]  I thought I'd be in Paris this week, but I decided to step it up a bit and get over here as quickly as I possibly could.
[01:33.120 --> 01:36.220]  Joined this week by our good friend Rob from Amsterdam.
[01:36.640 --> 01:37.360]  Hello there.
[01:38.180 --> 01:39.400]  And Bernie S.
[01:39.540 --> 01:40.240]  down there in Philadelphia.
[01:40.880 --> 01:41.600]  Merry Christmas.
[01:42.820 --> 01:44.880]  Mike in the studio, who we just heard from.
[01:45.200 --> 01:45.640]  Indeed.
[01:45.900 --> 01:48.940]  And I believe we also have Redhack, Redbird, and Jim.
[01:49.180 --> 01:49.380]  Hey.
[01:49.740 --> 01:49.900]  Hey.
[01:50.120 --> 01:50.480]  Good evening.
[01:51.340 --> 01:52.100]  Did I leave everybody out?
[01:52.440 --> 01:56.820]  We also have the esteemed and legendary, I hear, Ken Gale, engineering.
[01:57.520 --> 01:58.780]  Well, that goes without saying.
[01:58.880 --> 02:00.200]  But yes, Ken, how are you doing?
[02:01.140 --> 02:02.000]  Doing fine.
[02:02.680 --> 02:03.540]  Good to hear your voice again.
[02:04.000 --> 02:08.940]  Well, we have a whole lot of material tonight because there's so much going on.
[02:09.080 --> 02:13.580]  Of course, we have the CCC Congress that's happening in just about...
[02:14.320 --> 02:16.680]  Oh, a little less than a week's time in Berlin.
[02:17.100 --> 02:18.300]  And again, there's still time.
[02:18.420 --> 02:21.700]  There's still time to get down there and see some really good presentations.
[02:22.280 --> 02:24.400]  I'll be presenting a panel.
[02:24.620 --> 02:28.560]  So will Rob, a whole bunch of other people, a lot of people coming from America this year.
[02:29.400 --> 02:30.600]  It's, what is it, Rob?
[02:30.660 --> 02:31.360]  The 21st?
[02:33.280 --> 02:35.480]  December 27th through 29, every year.
[02:35.700 --> 02:37.160]  It's the 21st conference, though.
[02:37.440 --> 02:38.960]  It's the 21st conference, yes.
[02:39.260 --> 02:42.700]  And I don't think you'll find a hacker conference that's gone on for 21 years.
[02:42.840 --> 02:44.620]  So it's quite an achievement right there.
[02:45.060 --> 02:46.080]  Taking place in Berlin.
[02:46.220 --> 02:49.100]  More information at ccc.de.com.
[02:50.780 --> 02:51.460]  All right.
[02:52.040 --> 02:53.060]  I believe it's slash congress.
[02:53.080 --> 02:55.040]  If it's not, it's just ccc.de.
[02:55.640 --> 02:57.740]  Anyway, I was traveling around.
[02:57.820 --> 03:00.680]  I went to Barcelona since I talked to you last.
[03:01.300 --> 03:02.860]  And some very interesting things.
[03:03.000 --> 03:08.960]  The Spanish train system, of course, they had the terrorist bombing in March.
[03:08.960 --> 03:15.540]  And this has led to some increased security, some increased police presence, nothing on the order of what you see in Penn Station.
[03:16.040 --> 03:19.900]  But in another way, though, it is slightly different.
[03:20.940 --> 03:27.680]  We talked about what they're instituting in New Carrollton, which is an Amtrak station near Washington, D.C.
[03:27.680 --> 03:36.680]  What they're doing in the Spanish train system is basically checking bags like they do at an airport, but in a very quick way.
[03:37.000 --> 03:38.940]  You don't actually go through a metal detector yourself.
[03:38.940 --> 03:41.580]  You put your bag on some kind of conveyor belt.
[03:41.820 --> 03:42.620]  It goes through.
[03:42.720 --> 03:43.280]  You pick it up.
[03:43.340 --> 03:43.800]  You move on.
[03:43.940 --> 03:45.040]  I didn't see anybody get stopped.
[03:45.200 --> 03:46.300]  I didn't see any bags get opened.
[03:47.340 --> 03:53.400]  I imagine that this is something that is probably going to be instituted in very many places.
[03:54.920 --> 03:56.320]  I, for one, can't wait.
[03:58.160 --> 04:05.040]  You know, I don't know how they can do it quicker than they do it at airports, but maybe they're looking for something specific.
[04:06.500 --> 04:07.740]  There is no questioning.
[04:07.940 --> 04:11.620]  There was no searching that I could see, of course, if they find something on toward it.
[04:11.620 --> 04:13.340]  I imagine they would do that.
[04:13.620 --> 04:14.920]  So who knows?
[04:15.040 --> 04:16.680]  It's something to look forward to.
[04:16.960 --> 04:17.880]  Now, Paris, on the other hand...
[04:17.880 --> 04:18.560]  Is there a chemical sniffing?
[04:20.820 --> 04:21.960]  There's nothing sniffing.
[04:22.060 --> 04:23.720]  I don't see anything like that going on.
[04:23.740 --> 04:25.640]  I just saw it going through, like, an X-ray machine.
[04:26.500 --> 04:28.220]  I didn't want to look too closely.
[04:28.380 --> 04:29.100]  See, that's the thing.
[04:29.160 --> 04:35.660]  When you're in a foreign country, you kind of can't push your luck too much because you don't know what the actual consequences of your action were.
[04:36.420 --> 04:42.140]  I was in Paris for the last couple of days, and I have to tell you that the military presence in that city is very disturbing.
[04:43.760 --> 04:52.800]  If you go through various train stations, even shopping malls, you'll see people in fatigues walk by very slowly, always in groups of two or three.
[04:53.000 --> 04:57.500]  And they have this kind of menacing appearance to them, and they're always carrying machine guns.
[04:58.240 --> 05:02.180]  And I'll tell you, you know, I have a lot of faith in the French people.
[05:02.180 --> 05:04.780]  I have a lot of love for the culture.
[05:04.780 --> 05:07.900]  But that kind of thing just really spooks me.
[05:09.120 --> 05:15.340]  And it's something that I see as a trend in many parts of the world, United States included.
[05:15.620 --> 05:17.480]  And it's just a sad thing.
[05:17.600 --> 05:18.500]  This is definitely something new.
[05:18.620 --> 05:23.640]  I mean, when I was in Paris maybe seven years ago, it was nothing like that that I remember.
[05:23.900 --> 05:26.880]  I mean, that would be something I'd remember distinctly, and I don't remember anything like that.
[05:27.600 --> 05:28.740]  I don't want to give the wrong impression.
[05:28.740 --> 05:30.380]  I mean, there aren't soldiers in every corner.
[05:30.500 --> 05:31.120]  This is something...
[05:31.120 --> 05:37.400]  You might see a group of three soldiers walking through a train station maybe once every hour and a half or something like that.
[05:37.500 --> 05:40.500]  But it's just kind of the mood that they present when they do that.
[05:41.020 --> 05:46.180]  And you have to wonder what it is that they're actually accomplishing by doing this in the first place.
[05:46.180 --> 05:47.220]  What are they protecting?
[05:47.220 --> 05:49.140]  What would they be using those machine guns for?
[05:49.440 --> 05:50.360]  I saw...
[05:50.920 --> 05:54.620]  I walked outside a shopping center near the Champs-de-Lizet.
[05:55.360 --> 05:59.820]  And there were three of these guys out in the street, and they were just randomly stopping cars.
[06:00.280 --> 06:06.160]  Now, I can't imagine what you could possibly tell from a car driving past a shopping mall that would make it somewhat suspicious.
[06:06.840 --> 06:09.180]  But it just seemed like a power trip, you know.
[06:09.320 --> 06:18.320]  And I was also inside another shopping area where two of these guys were just walking down, and they were just looking really slowly at everybody and everything.
[06:18.540 --> 06:23.740]  And you could just tell that the mood that they cast upon the people that were there was just a very negative one.
[06:23.740 --> 06:27.380]  And I think it did less for security and just more for overall fear.
[06:27.680 --> 06:29.800]  I don't think that's a good step at all.
[06:31.920 --> 06:36.160]  What about your question of last week on what makes the Iberian trains different?
[06:37.260 --> 06:43.760]  Do you want me to answer that right away, or do you want to give the folks a chance to weigh in on it this week, and I can announce it at the end of the show?
[06:43.920 --> 06:44.780]  Oh, I don't know.
[06:45.020 --> 06:47.980]  Are there any hints that don't give it away that you can...
[06:47.980 --> 06:50.420]  Well, basically, I'll repeat the challenge.
[06:50.420 --> 06:56.240]  I was on the train systems of... the subway system, rather, of both Lisbon and Madrid.
[06:56.920 --> 07:04.000]  And I noticed something rather strange, rather odd, rather different about each of those systems.
[07:04.140 --> 07:06.600]  It's the same basic thing I noticed about each of them.
[07:06.880 --> 07:08.860]  Now, in Barcelona, it was not the case.
[07:09.480 --> 07:11.760]  And I think that's a pretty good hint right there.
[07:11.840 --> 07:13.580]  Something very basic, something very obvious.
[07:14.020 --> 07:18.880]  So if anybody who has been to those cities knows what I'm talking about, call in later in the show and let us know.
[07:18.960 --> 07:24.020]  And, of course, anyone in the studio, and Rob, if you know, just feel free to chime in and say what you think it might be.
[07:24.160 --> 07:25.600]  I'll make a random guess.
[07:25.800 --> 07:34.640]  Having never seen those train systems, by any chance, if you're seated in the train, do you exit without going to a center aisle?
[07:35.780 --> 07:39.340]  Is there direct exit from your seat, like in certain British rail carriages?
[07:40.020 --> 07:40.960]  Oh, no, no, no.
[07:41.080 --> 07:41.840]  It's not something like that.
[07:41.960 --> 07:47.820]  Although, I'm glad you brought that up, because that raises the issue of confusing train systems.
[07:48.140 --> 07:55.240]  And, boy, if you want confusing train systems, go to Paris, because it's got to be the most confusing metro system I think I've ever seen.
[07:55.240 --> 08:05.360]  And, really, if someone out there has been there and understands it, all right, that's a big if, please write to us and explain the whole thing.
[08:05.500 --> 08:10.600]  We're talking about a metro system with both lettered and numbered trains.
[08:10.740 --> 08:12.120]  Okay, that's not very difficult.
[08:12.120 --> 08:13.160]  In New York, we have that.
[08:13.320 --> 08:17.420]  The lettered trains are the suburban lines, pretty much.
[08:17.560 --> 08:22.660]  That's kind of cool, because you can ride the suburban lines within the city limits for the cost of the metro.
[08:22.660 --> 08:25.700]  And they're bigger trains, they're faster, they make less stops.
[08:25.780 --> 08:26.440]  That's kind of cool.
[08:26.700 --> 08:31.000]  But then you have all kinds of other things, where you don't know what the train is that you got onto.
[08:31.240 --> 08:33.200]  They don't label the trains with letters.
[08:33.420 --> 08:39.900]  In fact, they label them with four random letters at the front of the train, I guess, to tell the engineer which train it is.
[08:40.080 --> 08:49.060]  But you have no idea if you're riding on a four-train or a five-train, unless you know exactly what time that train's going to get there, if you consult the schedule and look at the little map in the grid.
[08:49.920 --> 08:52.580]  Now, things don't follow any particular rhyme or reason.
[08:52.660 --> 09:02.180]  You might follow a sign for the B train going down a hallway, but then three feet later, it's going to point to the left, and then maybe straight again.
[09:03.160 --> 09:07.180]  It's basically designed to drive you insane, and it worked pretty well.
[09:08.380 --> 09:12.740]  It's an efficient system that gets you around, although it shuts down at about 1 o'clock.
[09:12.740 --> 09:15.960]  But it's just something that I...
[09:15.960 --> 09:18.140]  You know, people say New York is confusing.
[09:18.320 --> 09:19.620]  No, New York is not confusing.
[09:19.900 --> 09:20.320]  I'm sorry.
[09:20.380 --> 09:21.600]  New York is very, very simple.
[09:21.780 --> 09:25.840]  Paris is extremely confusing as far as figuring out the metro system.
[09:25.940 --> 09:27.500]  The streets, too, because it's not a grid.
[09:28.560 --> 09:32.220]  But that metro system, I don't think anything equals it that I've seen.
[09:33.760 --> 09:38.400]  We did receive a guess by email to your puzzle.
[09:38.960 --> 09:39.880]  Oh, okay.
[09:39.960 --> 09:40.660]  Read the guess.
[09:40.760 --> 09:41.320]  I'll tell you if it's correct.
[09:41.400 --> 09:47.480]  I don't have it in front of me, but someone suggested that there is no advertising in those systems.
[09:48.040 --> 09:49.840]  Oh, they'd be very wrong to say that.
[09:49.920 --> 09:57.520]  There's advertising all over the place in the metros of Barcelona and Madrid and Portugal and everywhere that I've seen.
[09:57.520 --> 09:59.100]  So that's not it either, right?
[10:00.060 --> 10:03.600]  Rob has made a guess that there's no third rail, and he's wrong.
[10:03.760 --> 10:04.580]  There is a third rail.
[10:04.740 --> 10:05.780]  It's not always on the track.
[10:06.000 --> 10:09.600]  Sometimes it's a wire above the track, but that wasn't what I was referring to.
[10:09.780 --> 10:12.700]  They have the wire above the track on the green line in Boston also.
[10:13.400 --> 10:17.100]  One thing I'd like to know, and this is another question completely unrelated to anything else.
[10:17.400 --> 10:20.920]  The trains, and you've noticed this, too, Mike, I know, and RedHack.
[10:21.400 --> 10:23.720]  In Berlin, the trains are so quiet.
[10:23.860 --> 10:25.940]  The subway lines are so quiet when you're inside.
[10:25.940 --> 10:33.820]  Now, I can't understand why they're so much more quiet than the New York City subway lines when they basically are about the same size.
[10:33.980 --> 10:36.640]  Some of them are a little smaller, I know, but some of them are about the same size.
[10:36.800 --> 10:40.760]  They're inside a building pretty much like the New York City subway is.
[10:41.060 --> 10:50.360]  Why is it that they glide in silently and have a really smooth ride, and ours are simply clanky and noisy and really will drive you mad?
[10:50.480 --> 10:51.680]  What sort of wheels are they on?
[10:51.800 --> 10:53.020]  It's exactly the difference.
[10:53.580 --> 10:54.860]  Are they on rubber wheels?
[10:54.860 --> 10:56.380]  Yeah, if you remember.
[10:56.660 --> 10:57.340]  They were not rubber wheels.
[10:57.360 --> 10:58.420]  No, Montreal's rubber wheels.
[10:58.460 --> 10:59.080]  I know that much.
[10:59.260 --> 11:00.800]  I don't think Berlin is rubber wheels.
[11:01.320 --> 11:06.160]  In Switzerland, a friend of mine from Switzerland, Stevie, visited me a few years ago here in Philadelphia.
[11:06.480 --> 11:10.980]  And we took a rail line from here to a town about an hour north of here.
[11:11.200 --> 11:13.180]  And he was freaking out on the train, man.
[11:13.240 --> 11:14.640]  And he was like, what's going on?
[11:14.760 --> 11:16.740]  It's because the train's rocking back and forth, which is normal.
[11:16.920 --> 11:19.840]  He said, our trains are like, they don't vibrate.
[11:19.840 --> 11:21.620]  They don't rock back and forth.
[11:22.140 --> 11:23.360]  And I said, what's different about him?
[11:23.480 --> 11:24.580]  He said, it's Swiss engineering.
[11:24.840 --> 11:25.560]  So I don't know.
[11:25.600 --> 11:29.160]  Maybe this is American engineering is why our trains are so much noisier.
[11:29.640 --> 11:34.960]  It would be nice if they could fix this problem somehow, because it really does make you a lot calmer when you're riding.
[11:34.960 --> 11:45.620]  Even if you're getting lost and confused, like I was in Paris, it just makes you feel a lot better when you come out, that it wasn't so much of a screeching, grinding experience as well.
[11:45.940 --> 11:48.220]  And you know what else they have in trains in Europe?
[11:48.340 --> 11:48.900]  They have dogs.
[11:49.080 --> 11:52.140]  Yes, you can bring your dog onto the subway in Europe.
[11:52.140 --> 11:53.500]  And the dogs behave themselves.
[11:53.540 --> 11:54.320]  They're quiet.
[11:54.520 --> 11:56.700]  They're respectful of other dogs and other people.
[11:57.320 --> 12:04.340]  And I don't think that would happen in New York, even if they allowed the dogs in, because it's just so damn noisy, nobody would be able to tolerate it.
[12:04.340 --> 12:07.500]  But anyway, I think we've spent enough time on mass transit, do you?
[12:08.100 --> 12:09.160]  Well, I had one comment.
[12:09.420 --> 12:16.760]  You know, the New York City system is 100 years old, and it's tough enough just to keep the upkeep going versus completely redoing it.
[12:16.860 --> 12:20.360]  So I don't know that they'd be able to make it quieter.
[12:21.000 --> 12:22.560]  It has been there a long time.
[12:22.980 --> 12:26.680]  The Paris Metro was started in 1900, I believe.
[12:27.420 --> 12:30.480]  And I think it actually was under construction in the mid-1800s.
[12:31.400 --> 12:32.480]  So I don't know.
[12:33.280 --> 12:35.380]  So there's definitely something basically different.
[12:36.960 --> 12:38.680]  What's it cost to take a dog on the train?
[12:39.740 --> 12:41.400]  It doesn't cost anything to take a dog on a train.
[12:41.500 --> 12:42.020]  You can do that for free.
[12:42.280 --> 12:43.660]  Dogs ride for free.
[12:44.100 --> 12:44.740]  That's right.
[12:45.300 --> 12:45.740]  Wow.
[12:45.960 --> 12:49.040]  I also know why the dogs are so well-behaved.
[12:49.960 --> 12:50.720]  This is Ken.
[12:51.160 --> 12:56.480]  I talked to some people from Germany, and everybody who gets a dog brings their dog to obedience school.
[12:57.140 --> 12:59.520]  And that's just part of, like, getting a license.
[12:59.880 --> 13:03.940]  You take your dog to school, and that's why they behave, and that's why they can be everywhere.
[13:05.000 --> 13:10.800]  I do know this, that the dogs we saw on the street were very kind of standoffish.
[13:11.060 --> 13:15.860]  You know, if you see a dog in New York and you say hello to it, he'll generally greet you back in some way.
[13:15.860 --> 13:20.400]  But in Paris, especially, the dogs just kept walking and wouldn't even make eye contact.
[13:20.700 --> 13:21.600]  They're French dogs.
[13:23.040 --> 13:25.320]  Apparently, there's definitely a cultural difference.
[13:25.520 --> 13:39.100]  I hate to distract this conversation, but we do have an important bit of mass transit-related news, and that is, as we've discussed on this show, the MTA is planning to ban photography in the entire system.
[13:39.420 --> 13:57.040]  And this past Saturday, Redbird and I attended a flash mob, get it, flash, photo flash, where a group of us, there were about 50 of us, I'd say, went all around the MTA system taking photographs of things in protest for this upcoming ban.
[13:58.980 --> 14:02.420]  Did the thing include MTA police officers?
[14:02.680 --> 14:03.360]  Oh, yes.
[14:03.720 --> 14:05.760]  They were fascinated by it.
[14:05.900 --> 14:09.680]  They didn't seem to complain all that much, either.
[14:09.820 --> 14:11.720]  They kind of let us go on our way.
[14:11.840 --> 14:14.860]  They actually, a couple of them said, take as many pictures as you want.
[14:14.980 --> 14:19.580]  Just, you know, don't block the entrance to their stations or anything like that.
[14:19.900 --> 14:20.320]  Cool.
[14:20.420 --> 14:22.620]  And was there any kind of media coverage of this?
[14:23.440 --> 14:24.240]  I didn't see any.
[14:24.480 --> 14:26.720]  There was... someone from the media was there.
[14:27.020 --> 14:29.000]  I don't remember the station.
[14:30.140 --> 14:31.880]  Are these photos posted anywhere?
[14:32.460 --> 14:33.740]  I took a few I can post.
[14:33.900 --> 14:34.920]  I haven't posted them yet.
[14:35.800 --> 14:36.560]  Not organized.
[14:36.560 --> 14:39.380]  Not everybody has posted en masse, I see.
[14:39.880 --> 14:40.380]  Oh, well.
[14:40.940 --> 14:43.920]  Well, we've gotten a number of letters on that particular topic.
[14:44.120 --> 14:48.580]  It continues to be one of the high items these days.
[14:48.580 --> 14:57.600]  And it should be, too, because it's something that I think once you take away the right to take photographs in a public space, it's, you know, not something you're going to get back anytime soon.
[14:58.340 --> 15:02.100]  I've been hearing about the proposed photo ban in New York City, Subways, reads one letter.
[15:02.420 --> 15:06.120]  There is a ban on taking pictures of bridges around the city.
[15:06.200 --> 15:11.740]  If there was to be a ban on photography in subways, would they not be able to film movies in subways or on bridges anymore?
[15:12.220 --> 15:17.040]  I think that may hurt the city's economy if the movie industry had to go elsewhere to get a picture of a bridge or a train.
[15:17.320 --> 15:31.680]  I think if the ban were to go, everyone should get detailed pictures of subways and put it on the 2600 website, like you had one photo on the cover of 2600 of a bridge, there should be a site called ForbiddenPhotos.net or .com or something like that.
[15:31.940 --> 15:32.500]  Find Jeremy.
[15:32.660 --> 15:34.960]  Jeremy, that's a very good idea, and we would like to do something like that.
[15:35.680 --> 15:39.780]  And I guess we just need more ideas and people to help us implement them.
[15:39.980 --> 15:45.200]  But certainly once you have the picture, once you've taken the picture, I mean, what are they going to do?
[15:45.300 --> 15:46.840]  They can't redesign the subway station.
[15:46.920 --> 15:51.340]  Are they going to simply hunt down everybody who has a copy of the picture of the inside of a subway station?
[15:51.340 --> 15:52.380]  Well, it's bizarre.
[15:52.580 --> 15:53.020]  It's crazy.
[15:53.560 --> 16:03.020]  The strange thing is they already have, I mean, very, very detailed station maps and track maps and everything online that you can already access at nycsubway.org, I believe.
[16:03.540 --> 16:06.680]  Yeah, and it's something that people are interested in.
[16:07.100 --> 16:10.100]  And most people who are interested in it have no desire to destroy it.
[16:10.160 --> 16:11.740]  They are interested in how it all works.
[16:12.280 --> 16:17.380]  And that kind of thing should be encouraged, not threatened with criminal action of any sort.
[16:17.660 --> 16:18.360]  Here's another letter.
[16:18.440 --> 16:19.080]  My name is Joe.
[16:19.200 --> 16:19.780]  I live in Manhattan.
[16:20.120 --> 16:23.000]  I've been hearing you talk about the camera ban in the New York City subway.
[16:23.340 --> 16:26.640]  I have a video camera, and I like taking pictures of things for memory purposes.
[16:26.800 --> 16:32.700]  For example, I like to have videos of things from the 1970s, 80s, and so on, so I can see what the old buses and trains look like.
[16:32.740 --> 16:34.120]  And I definitely agree with that.
[16:34.880 --> 16:38.000]  What the old ad said, how the people dressed in those days.
[16:38.320 --> 16:45.200]  You mean to tell me the New York City police are going to waste time focusing on stopping people taking pictures of things in and around subways?
[16:45.560 --> 16:46.940]  I want crime back.
[16:46.940 --> 16:50.020]  Well, maybe not crime, but I want the 1980s back.
[16:50.240 --> 16:51.260]  This is ridiculous.
[16:51.540 --> 16:55.000]  We don't have to worry about people with guns and knives in the subway like we used to.
[16:55.100 --> 16:56.620]  Now everyone with a camera is a threat.
[16:56.840 --> 16:58.160]  I mean, what is going on?
[16:58.860 --> 17:06.080]  I want to thank those people for writing to us, but there's someone else they should write to, and that is the New York City Transit Authority.
[17:06.220 --> 17:12.300]  And I have finally managed to track down an address which allegedly accepts comments on the photo ban.
[17:12.940 --> 17:20.100]  That is David Goldenberg, G-O-L-D-E-N-B-E-R-G, of the New York City Transit Authority.
[17:20.960 --> 17:30.820]  He's at 130 Livingston Street, room 1207, in Brooklyn, New York, where the zip code is 11201.
[17:31.080 --> 17:34.560]  So, in addition to writing to us, send him your comments.
[17:35.140 --> 17:36.160]  He's in that room right now?
[17:36.600 --> 17:37.040]  Maybe.
[17:38.320 --> 17:41.280]  Okay, well, that's definitely a good address to write to.
[17:41.320 --> 17:43.100]  Maybe we'll give that address out later in the show as well.
[17:43.580 --> 17:44.740]  What is his title, Mike?
[17:44.840 --> 17:46.280]  Does he have a working title?
[17:46.540 --> 17:47.380]  He does not.
[17:48.560 --> 18:01.260]  In fact, if you search through the MTA website for a reference to his name, the only time his name appears is as the project manager of implementing this new set of regulations.
[18:01.560 --> 18:02.280]  It's very strange.
[18:02.540 --> 18:03.620]  And he's a project manager.
[18:03.800 --> 18:04.440]  I guess so.
[18:05.140 --> 18:12.540]  Well, he's going to find out just what that title means when he gets all these calls and letters and whatnot, showing how New Yorkers feel about this kind of thing.
[18:12.740 --> 18:17.340]  If there are New Yorkers out there that feel this is a good idea to ban photography in the subways, please let us know.
[18:17.440 --> 18:19.700]  Maybe with a side of this, we're just not understanding.
[18:19.960 --> 18:21.240]  And maybe it is a good idea.
[18:21.240 --> 18:22.760]  But somehow, I don't think so.
[18:23.620 --> 18:29.180]  Last week, Redhack reported on a raid, a bust, and arrest in Finland.
[18:29.440 --> 18:32.420]  Redhack, do you want to give us a very quick synopsis of what that was?
[18:32.580 --> 18:33.020]  Yeah.
[18:33.780 --> 18:37.780]  The site was unnamed in the news brief I read, but it was a BitTorrent site.
[18:37.960 --> 18:40.040]  It basically hosted torrents.
[18:40.160 --> 18:43.260]  It probably ran the trackers, too, for the BitTorrents.
[18:43.800 --> 18:51.640]  And basically, what BitTorrent is, is you get a torrent file that gives you information about what you're trying to download, and information about a tracker server.
[18:52.060 --> 18:54.880]  The tracker server doesn't hold any part of the file at all.
[18:54.960 --> 19:01.840]  It just tells you what other people are sharing the file, and then it's a peer-to-peer system where you get bits and pieces from different people and put it all together.
[19:01.840 --> 19:04.680]  This is related to something that happened here in Holland.
[19:04.960 --> 19:09.640]  A Dutch anti-piracy organization, is this pronounced Brain, Rob?
[19:09.820 --> 19:11.340]  I guess B-R-E-I-N.
[19:11.980 --> 19:24.940]  Along with the Economic Inspection Service of the Fiscal Intelligence and Investigation Service, don't you love these titles, have raided two popular sites in the Netherlands that offer links to allegedly copyright-infringing content.
[19:25.220 --> 19:28.880]  They've arrested eight people and seized 11 servers.
[19:28.880 --> 19:33.060]  The two sites are ShareConnector and Releases4U.
[19:33.060 --> 19:37.860]  They offered thousands of movies, games, and music files to 50,000 registered users.
[19:38.000 --> 19:46.340]  However, they only contained links to PCs hosted by users of the popular P2P service, eDonkey, and not any content themselves.
[19:47.100 --> 19:53.160]  Brain says it had talks with the people behind the site for some time, but they refused to take them down.
[19:53.360 --> 19:58.040]  We simply ran out of patience, said Tom Queek, director of Brain.
[19:58.620 --> 19:59.100]  Brain...
[19:59.100 --> 20:01.940]  I'm sorry if that's not the way you pronounce it, but it sounds really good.
[20:02.320 --> 20:12.060]  Brain will not only press charges against the owners of the site, but also against Dutch hosting provider MindLab, which, according to Queek, didn't want to cooperate either.
[20:12.500 --> 20:21.800]  The raid against the Dutch sites coincides with actions of the MPAA against server operators of BitTorrent, eDonkey, and Direct Connect sites in Finland and in France.
[20:22.460 --> 20:37.640]  Now, with that, I'd like to hand it over to Rob for a spell, who's going to give us some updates on things that are going on here in Holland and how it's all falling apart and going to hell, because, boy, you know, we talk about it week after week, but we don't really get the perspective of how things are here in Europe.
[20:39.380 --> 20:40.020]  Hey there.
[20:40.360 --> 20:40.700]  Hi, Rob.
[20:41.560 --> 20:43.060]  Grabbed this phone receiver the right way.
[20:44.500 --> 20:48.780]  Yeah, well, there's a number of things to talk about that are going on here in Holland.
[20:49.540 --> 20:51.940]  Generally, politically, Holland is not doing that well.
[20:52.160 --> 20:53.560]  You may have followed the news.
[20:53.560 --> 20:57.480]  There's now political murders, multiple, that have gone on in Holland.
[20:58.640 --> 21:00.960]  Political climate isn't precisely happy.
[21:02.220 --> 21:05.980]  Lots of fear of terrorism, fear of everything, I guess, in a way.
[21:07.240 --> 21:12.700]  There's some more hacker or online-related stuff that's going on.
[21:15.140 --> 21:20.820]  ISPs and telephony providers are going to be forced to keep huge logs of just about everything.
[21:20.820 --> 21:25.740]  That's a Europe-wide development, basically everywhere in Europe except in Germany.
[21:26.440 --> 21:30.280]  ISPs are going to have to keep logs of every URL you access.
[21:31.220 --> 21:35.060]  They even have to look into the traffic if it's to certain providers, apparently.
[21:35.700 --> 21:45.320]  They want ISPs to hold logs of what emails are sent by whom, to whom, what the subject was, basically all the meta-information about the traffic.
[21:47.120 --> 21:48.900]  And providers have to keep that.
[21:48.900 --> 21:55.000]  They're not sure how long, but somewhere between one and three years of everything.
[21:55.820 --> 21:57.420]  That's a lot of data.
[21:58.260 --> 22:00.320]  That is a lot of data, yes.
[22:01.720 --> 22:04.660]  It's going to cost Dutch ISPs millions.
[22:06.720 --> 22:08.260]  Huge arrays of disks.
[22:08.760 --> 22:11.680]  So that they can be searched later by the proper authorities.
[22:12.300 --> 22:16.740]  Generally, the ISP doesn't even know exactly what URLs its customers are visiting.
[22:17.500 --> 22:22.200]  Well, they can either make it their business to know or be put out of business.
[22:22.580 --> 22:24.880]  Rob, I have a question for you about this data.
[22:26.320 --> 22:27.040]  Sure, shoot.
[22:27.360 --> 22:27.800]  Bernie S.
[22:27.960 --> 22:28.480]  in Philadelphia.
[22:28.820 --> 22:39.080]  Is this data available to Dutch law enforcement without a judicial oversight, without a court order or a warrant from a judge?
[22:41.280 --> 22:53.820]  The thing is, both the European Parliament and the Dutch Parliament are asked to vote on documents that they can hardly see, or they can see at the very last minute, and it's very sketchy.
[22:53.960 --> 23:01.240]  They basically vote on laws which allow the government to set the precise details in documents which aren't even law.
[23:01.240 --> 23:06.460]  So it's very unclear what exactly is planned, what the exact overview will be.
[23:06.920 --> 23:11.700]  It's just, you hold on to all this data, and we'll figure out the rest later sort of legislation.
[23:12.120 --> 23:33.600]  It's scary enough that this is being done, but it would be even more scary, if that were enough, if law enforcement had access to the complete volume of this information and could establish traffic patterns and links, you know, basically do data mining on this huge compilation of traffic information.
[23:34.340 --> 23:47.480]  There's a lot of information that really would, you know, can be read between the lines that way that really has nothing to do with law enforcement, that would be very scary to be making available to law enforcement at will.
[23:48.340 --> 23:53.240]  Well, the current mood here in Holland is people are screaming to give up their privacy.
[23:53.540 --> 23:56.180]  Things are not moving fast enough for the general population.
[23:57.500 --> 23:59.100]  We want less privacy.
[23:59.320 --> 24:01.020]  Please take more away from us.
[24:02.140 --> 24:03.300]  Why do you think this is?
[24:05.060 --> 24:13.080]  The Dutch people are... I think there was a survey that showed that the Dutch people were the most scared of terrorism in Europe.
[24:15.460 --> 24:21.100]  Combine that with a general sort of culture of wanting to snitch on thy neighbors.
[24:22.900 --> 24:24.760]  There's a lot of scary developments here.
[24:24.940 --> 24:32.400]  A lot of the good things that used to be about Holland are disappearing at a rapid rate, and we're gaining some scary things if we didn't have them before.
[24:33.300 --> 24:37.080]  So, this country isn't developing in a very positive way.
[24:37.580 --> 24:41.120]  Has the Theo Van Gogh murder pretty much pushed it over the edge?
[24:42.540 --> 24:47.700]  I think things have been going wrong here for the good part of 10 years.
[24:48.080 --> 24:51.380]  I think it's becoming obvious to more and more people.
[24:51.800 --> 24:56.620]  The intellectual part of the nation is contemplating emigrating in huge numbers.
[24:57.600 --> 24:58.900]  To where, exactly?
[24:59.520 --> 25:01.380]  This is not good.
[25:02.720 --> 25:05.860]  To where, where are they going to be emigrating to?
[25:08.120 --> 25:09.060]  I don't know.
[25:09.280 --> 25:11.180]  I think Holland is...
[25:11.180 --> 25:19.420]  If things go wrong, which are going to go wrong pretty much all over the place, Holland is historically a very bad place to be.
[25:19.660 --> 25:27.180]  When things went wrong in Germany, Holland was actually a worse place to be for the Jewish population than was Germany.
[25:27.560 --> 25:37.440]  Because we combined a perfect register of where everyone was and what religion they had and everything with a willingness to cooperate with anything that happened to be the law.
[25:38.000 --> 25:44.320]  So, a larger percentage of the Amsterdam Jews died in World War II than died in any city in Germany.
[25:45.640 --> 25:47.520]  So, Holland is...
[25:47.520 --> 25:52.800]  If shit goes wrong, if stuff goes wrong, Holland is a really bad place to be.
[25:54.600 --> 25:55.060]  Indeed.
[25:55.860 --> 25:57.660]  Although you don't have the FCC there.
[25:59.620 --> 26:01.200]  Yeah, we don't have the FCC there.
[26:01.260 --> 26:01.800]  That is true.
[26:01.960 --> 26:02.720]  Sorry, sorry, sorry.
[26:04.420 --> 26:06.020]  Anyway, there's other things.
[26:06.160 --> 26:07.360]  There's the Dutch government.
[26:07.720 --> 26:15.160]  The Dutch minister apparently thinks it's a good idea that printer vendors start warning their customers about printer serial numbers being printed.
[26:16.540 --> 26:20.980]  And I looked into it a little bit further because I had apparently missed the big story.
[26:22.480 --> 26:35.520]  Printers, color printers the world over, apparently print their engine serial number, which is not their printer serial number, it's the serial number of the engine inside, on a piece of the printout, which is about 0.1 millimeter square.
[26:36.760 --> 26:40.120]  And this apparently happens in loads and loads and loads of printers.
[26:40.260 --> 26:43.280]  Any color laser printer that's modern, any...
[26:43.940 --> 26:48.180]  even good inkjet, apparently, print their serial number of the engine.
[26:48.620 --> 26:57.240]  And apparently the Dutch police is using those engine serial numbers to get to individual buyer, to the individual that bought the printer.
[26:57.800 --> 27:05.120]  So they go from engine maker to printer maker, from printer maker to distributor, to shop, to customer.
[27:05.800 --> 27:12.940]  And they've used this successfully in a number of investigations, according to a police spokesperson here in Holland.
[27:14.680 --> 27:15.240]  So...
[27:15.240 --> 27:27.360]  This has been going on here in the United States for about 10 years as well, pioneered by the United States Secret Service and Cannon Corporation, who first cooperated on this.
[27:27.360 --> 27:31.320]  So it's been going on for a long time and it's not just...
[27:31.960 --> 27:33.580]  It's on all-color documents.
[27:33.780 --> 27:44.020]  It's not just documents that appear to be of, you know, a control document, like a copy of currency or something like that.
[27:45.000 --> 27:46.500]  Yes, I knew it was in...
[27:46.500 --> 27:48.600]  It was in sort of the high-end color copiers.
[27:49.440 --> 27:54.500]  I was previously unaware how big this had gotten and that it's basically in any color printout.
[27:54.680 --> 27:56.160]  It's filtering down to the...
[27:56.160 --> 27:59.100]  It's filtering down to the every man level now.
[28:00.300 --> 28:01.240]  Yes, apparently.
[28:02.400 --> 28:05.260]  So that was a heads-up for me, at least.
[28:06.880 --> 28:09.780]  Any other news from your part of the world?
[28:12.460 --> 28:15.740]  I had a number of things, but nothing major, nothing major now.
[28:16.600 --> 28:17.040]  Okay.
[28:17.040 --> 28:18.780]  I'll give you back to Emmanuel here.
[28:19.220 --> 28:19.560]  Okay.
[28:20.220 --> 28:21.100]  And here I am.
[28:21.100 --> 28:22.540]  Yeah, it's...
[28:22.540 --> 28:24.180]  I mean, it's still a great place.
[28:24.880 --> 28:25.320]  Europe.
[28:25.500 --> 28:27.860]  There's a lot of positive things happening here.
[28:28.980 --> 28:41.680]  I think, you know, the way that we criticize the United States, because we're in the United States, Rob, of course, has the obligation to criticize the country he's in and see what's wrong with it with a much better perspective than we have.
[28:41.860 --> 28:52.480]  I think we all need to listen to each other and see the bad mistakes that our respective governments are making and hopefully fight these things together before they become the way of the land.
[28:52.940 --> 28:57.480]  And you're listening to Off the Hook on WBAI New York, 99.5 FM.
[28:58.440 --> 28:58.960]  Indeed.
[28:59.180 --> 29:05.680]  We have this interesting piece from a listener who relates to something that happened at an airport.
[29:05.940 --> 29:12.000]  I recently boarded a domestic flight to find that my name showed up for a match on the no-fly list.
[29:12.640 --> 29:21.900]  A closer inspection of two or three lists, they decided that I was not the person who should not be flying, and they gave me the attached letter.
[29:22.520 --> 29:27.000]  I don't know about you, but I'm not keen on contacting the TSA and giving them more information about me.
[29:27.240 --> 29:27.780]  Signed, Matt.
[29:27.920 --> 29:31.040]  Now, the attached letter, obviously you can't see it, but we can read it.
[29:31.060 --> 29:33.760]  It's kind of tiny, but I'm going to try to read it as best as I can.
[29:33.840 --> 29:36.400]  It's from the Transportation Security Administration.
[29:37.120 --> 29:49.180]  Dear traveler, when checking in for air travel, some passengers have found that they are unable to obtain a boarding pass online at curbside check-in or from an air carrier's electronic kiosk.
[29:49.320 --> 29:58.580]  When this occurs, they're referred to the airline ticket counter where they may experience a delay while the agent verifies their identity.
[29:59.280 --> 30:16.340]  If this situation applies to you or if you are required to undergo additional checkpoint screening each time you fly, please contact the Transportation Security Administration, TSA toll-free, at 1-866-289-9673.
[30:16.940 --> 30:25.380]  You may also send TSA an email at TSA-ContactCenter I think we lost Bernie.
[30:25.600 --> 30:26.140]  Yes, indeed.
[30:26.600 --> 30:27.760]  But you didn't lose me.
[30:27.940 --> 30:28.120]  No.
[30:28.660 --> 30:31.220]  Okay, so let me read the email address again.
[30:31.680 --> 30:50.080]  TSA-ContactCenter at DHS.gov or by clicking on the Contact Us button at www.tsa.gov I guess they were trying to knock me off the phone line but they missed and they knocked over Bernie instead.
[30:50.740 --> 30:54.940]  I'm going to continue reading this letter, though, and you're going to hear all the things that you want to get if you're a suspect.
[30:54.940 --> 31:07.860]  As part of the security administered at airports, TSA prepares and maintains watch lists of persons who are known to pose or are suspected of posing a threat to civil aviation or national security.
[31:08.160 --> 31:17.340]  TSA recognizes that some people have been subjected to frustrating delays at airports as a result of being mistaken for an individual who, in fact, is on a watch list.
[31:17.340 --> 31:27.020]  We regret this inconvenience and have developed a procedure ...to expedite the check-in and screening process for individuals who repeatedly experience delays.
[31:27.280 --> 31:34.440]  When you contact the TSA contact center, known as TCC, a representative will explain how this process works.
[31:34.780 --> 31:37.620]  The entire process may take up to 45 days to complete.
[31:37.840 --> 31:43.760]  To better assist you, we ask that you have the following information readily available for the TCC representative.
[31:43.760 --> 31:52.460]  Your full name, make sure you have that ready, your date of birth, telephone number, mailing address, and email address.
[31:53.060 --> 31:56.820]  TCC representatives are available to assist you Monday through Friday, 8 a.m.
[31:56.940 --> 31:57.680]  to 10 p.m.
[31:57.920 --> 32:00.480]  Eastern Time, and Saturdays, Sundays, and Holidays, 10 a.m.
[32:00.560 --> 32:01.440]  to 6 p.m.
[32:01.660 --> 32:02.220]  Eastern Time.
[32:02.500 --> 32:10.120]  I just think it's incredible that they basically put you on another list so that you can maybe avoid being on the first list.
[32:10.680 --> 32:12.020]  I want to see these lists.
[32:12.020 --> 32:14.820]  I think we have a right to know who's on these lists in the first place.
[32:15.020 --> 32:18.900]  It seems incredible that we know so little about it.
[32:20.360 --> 32:20.800]  Indeed.
[32:20.920 --> 32:21.560]  We have Bernie S.
[32:21.660 --> 32:22.620]  back with us, I believe.
[32:23.220 --> 32:24.180]  Yes, it's amazing.
[32:24.740 --> 32:34.320]  Sprint PCS can't keep a connection between Philadelphia and New York, but you manage to keep a connection between New York and Holland.
[32:35.340 --> 32:37.740]  Yeah, well, we have a real interesting connection here.
[32:37.800 --> 32:40.580]  Mike, perhaps you can tell the folks something about how this is actually working.
[32:40.760 --> 32:41.020]  Sure.
[32:41.100 --> 32:53.500]  We've talked about this before, but there's a company which provides this number, which is a toll-free number, which we can then go on the web and program and direct this toll-free number to anywhere in the world.
[32:54.020 --> 32:56.420]  So right now, there's a U.S.
[32:56.560 --> 33:00.420]  toll-free number, which is, if you call it, you'll get Rop's House in Amsterdam.
[33:00.420 --> 33:03.580]  Of course, you'll get a busy signal because we're using it at the moment.
[33:04.360 --> 33:07.980]  And we can just be redirecting this all over the place.
[33:08.420 --> 33:11.340]  And the best part is that it costs something like, what, five cents a minute?
[33:12.140 --> 33:14.160]  Maybe closer to eight, but not bad at all.
[33:14.160 --> 33:14.740]  Eight cents a minute.
[33:14.960 --> 33:16.060]  Unheard of, years ago.
[33:16.260 --> 33:21.060]  Not only are we calling overseas at such a low rate, but we're calling a toll-free number, which we could call from any place.
[33:22.000 --> 33:23.360]  It boggles my imagination.
[33:23.360 --> 33:25.280]  And we can program it to go anywhere.
[33:26.340 --> 33:31.420]  The catch is, if you program it to call a cell phone, I think the cost jumps quite a bit, right?
[33:32.680 --> 33:34.260]  A foreign cell phone, U.S.
[33:34.320 --> 33:36.300]  cell phones, the receiver pays.
[33:36.480 --> 33:41.940]  But for foreign cell phones, the caller pays, which in this case is the owner of the toll-free number.
[33:42.100 --> 33:44.060]  We also have, just joining us, is Walter.
[33:44.840 --> 33:45.240]  Hi.
[33:45.660 --> 33:46.680]  Who's waving.
[33:48.340 --> 33:50.640]  What's the name of that company, Mike, that has that service?
[33:50.640 --> 33:58.540]  I don't have it with me, but if people are interested, they can email OTH at 2600.com, and they will get the information.
[33:59.600 --> 34:07.760]  Now, we also got this other letter, which is actually forwarding a story, which is being reported in some places, I think the Washington Post.
[34:08.740 --> 34:11.440]  They forwarded the story, though, because of the quote.
[34:11.800 --> 34:15.400]  The quote that something is like a George Orwell novel.
[34:16.520 --> 34:18.940]  And this came from a listener called Jones.
[34:18.940 --> 34:20.520]  Jones, thank you for sending this.
[34:20.940 --> 34:30.360]  The Washington Post reports two police officers recently visited the home of an 11-year-old and questioned his parents for three hours about anti-American comments their son made in school.
[34:30.580 --> 34:34.760]  The student had refused to participate in a Veterans Day exercise and criticized the Marines.
[34:35.160 --> 34:40.100]  The school claimed he had said, I wish all Americans were dead and that American soldiers should die.
[34:40.100 --> 34:43.140]  The police... I hear children saying that all the time.
[34:43.300 --> 34:50.580]  The police questioned his parents about their views on September 11th with the military, and if they knew any foreigners who criticized U.S.
[34:50.700 --> 34:51.120]  policy.
[34:51.260 --> 34:56.960]  They also inquired whether the parents might be teaching, quote, anti-American values, unquote, at home.
[34:57.640 --> 35:01.580]  The mother, Pamela Albaugh, told the Washington Post it was intimidating.
[35:01.580 --> 35:05.900]  I told them it's like a George Orwell novel, that it felt like they were the thought police.
[35:06.260 --> 35:12.340]  She went on to say, if someone would have asked me five years ago, if this was something my government would do, I would have said never.
[35:12.580 --> 35:16.500]  And that brings us right back to the point we were making several weeks ago, where things just change.
[35:16.500 --> 35:23.640]  And if you look five years, ten years down the road, you might see something that you just wouldn't recognize if you saw it today.
[35:24.860 --> 35:25.560]  Yeah.
[35:26.140 --> 35:26.480]  Indeed.
[35:28.580 --> 35:30.320]  Do you have another story?
[35:30.460 --> 35:32.080]  I have a story to talk about.
[35:32.260 --> 35:32.500]  Go ahead.
[35:32.900 --> 35:33.240]  Your turn.
[35:34.940 --> 35:45.680]  Our listeners are probably familiar with IndyMedia, which is a collective of independent journalists who publish a website and in New York City a newspaper and other things.
[35:47.400 --> 35:53.620]  The state apparatus in its various forms seems to really like subpoenas.
[35:54.580 --> 35:57.000]  They've done so three times since August.
[35:57.380 --> 36:13.840]  The most recent one came in on November 19th, so about a month ago, where the city of New York is being sued by some folks apparently in the World Economic Forum protests a couple of years ago.
[36:14.300 --> 36:36.060]  And the city has decided that rather than use Google to get information off New York City IndyMedia's website, it would be a lot more fun to give us a two-page subpoena where they request 15 items, the first of which is all documents relating in any way to the Animal and Earth Liberation March held on February 3rd in 2002 in New York,
[36:36.140 --> 36:38.260]  New York, and it just goes on and on and on.
[36:38.260 --> 37:02.280]  To the extent that this information is not already on the web on Google and they should find it themselves rather than harassing us, IndyMedia is a set of journalists and one would think is therefore protected by reporter's privilege, which as astute people will know is being very quickly eroded,
[37:02.280 --> 37:04.520]  but still exists to some degree.
[37:06.000 --> 37:24.720]  So we got the American Civil Liberties Union to represent us in this matter and they sent a very long letter, it's three or four pages, four pages, saying, you know, New York City IndyMedia is a bunch of journalists, you can't just go demanding journalist files,
[37:24.960 --> 37:28.940]  you can't go demanding files that you could get in a less restrictive manner.
[37:29.420 --> 37:50.520]  And the interesting news is that the New York City Law Department, which we expected to just kind of go away upon receiving this letter, has decided that it is worth your tax dollars, if you live in New York City, to argue that New York City IndyMedia is not a media organization and should not be allowed to have journalist privilege,
[37:50.780 --> 37:52.060]  which is kind of strange.
[37:52.320 --> 37:55.340]  Well, they demonstrated that a few weeks ago right in New York, didn't they?
[37:55.920 --> 37:56.620]  How so?
[37:56.620 --> 38:03.200]  With the mass arrests of people, many of whom were IndyMedia reporters.
[38:03.520 --> 38:05.840]  Oh, in August you're talking about the convention.
[38:05.840 --> 38:06.240]  Yeah, a few months ago.
[38:06.340 --> 38:06.540]  Yes.
[38:07.380 --> 38:09.440]  But it's, you know...
[38:09.440 --> 38:14.780]  No, they would not arrest other media, but IndyMedia, they would arrest them.
[38:15.420 --> 38:19.140]  So it's kind of interesting to see what will happen.
[38:19.140 --> 38:29.500]  I think if any IndyMedia in the country or the world is clearly a journalist organization, it would be New York, which publishes a newspaper, among other things.
[38:29.700 --> 38:32.100]  It's pretty clear cut to me.
[38:32.440 --> 38:34.040]  But, so we're kind of excited.
[38:34.100 --> 38:37.860]  That newspaper is called The Independent, and you can see it all over the place in New York City.
[38:37.860 --> 38:38.360]  Indeed.
[38:39.740 --> 38:47.440]  So for more information, the website is nyc.indymedia, I-N-D-Y-M-E-D-I-A.org.
[38:48.140 --> 38:59.660]  And I think it also speaks to what a lot of people were experiencing during the RNC, myself included, where we were told, well, if you have New York City credentials, you won't be getting arrested right now.
[39:00.120 --> 39:16.800]  And, you know, New York City obviously is saying that any kind of independent journalist is not considered media, so we would have had no chance to get those credentials anyway, even if we had bothered to apply for them, because, you know, it's pretty obvious that these credentials are only for the corporate media,
[39:16.920 --> 39:19.080]  not for anybody with an independent voice.
[39:19.100 --> 39:21.180]  And that includes WBAI as well as Indymedia.
[39:22.800 --> 39:28.980]  The odds are just completely not in our favor as far as that kind of status goes in the eyes of the city.
[39:29.080 --> 39:38.720]  And this enables them to do things like raid offices and issue subpoenas and try to get records that they never would get ordinarily because of the First Amendment.
[39:40.100 --> 39:41.640]  And you've got to watch something like this.
[39:41.680 --> 39:49.060]  No matter how you feel about Indymedia, if you feel that they're not very good journalists or you feel that they represent something that you're opposed to, it doesn't matter.
[39:49.140 --> 39:51.260]  You know, it doesn't matter if it's right-wing, left-wing.
[39:51.420 --> 39:53.280]  You have to protect certain values.
[39:53.280 --> 39:56.740]  And if you don't, it all starts to crumble a lot quicker than you think.
[39:59.420 --> 40:12.280]  Have any particular journalists, Mike, gotten to the point where they would have the option of pleading the Fifth Amendment saying, well, I'm not going to talk about this?
[40:12.420 --> 40:15.660]  Because, frankly, sources are not protected under the First Amendment.
[40:15.900 --> 40:17.920]  It's not a Fifth Amendment issue.
[40:18.420 --> 40:21.840]  It's a First Amendment issue of reporters' privilege.
[40:22.760 --> 40:30.340]  Well, unfortunately, I don't believe... I wish it were the case, but I don't believe the First Amendment protects journalists against having to reveal their sources.
[40:30.340 --> 40:41.080]  It does restrict... it does prevent the government from restricting speech, but that is not the same as compelling journalists to give up the identity of their sources.
[40:41.160 --> 40:41.800]  I wish it did.
[40:42.040 --> 40:43.220]  I don't believe it does.
[40:43.340 --> 40:43.860]  It used to.
[40:44.400 --> 40:51.460]  The government, the Justice Department especially, is fighting to erode that privilege, but it has traditionally existed.
[40:53.460 --> 40:57.360]  Again, Mike, email address or a website people can help out?
[40:57.620 --> 40:58.100]  Sure.
[40:58.300 --> 41:06.320]  It's nyc.indymedia.org, and there's so much actual news going on that it might be scrolled down a bit, but you can certainly find it there.
[41:06.680 --> 41:10.680]  Is there an email address people can write to, if they want to help in any way?
[41:12.420 --> 41:14.360]  There is not, really.
[41:15.420 --> 41:16.520]  There's an email address...
[41:18.320 --> 41:26.700]  Well, I'll tell you what, if you want to help out, email us, and we'll forward it to the right people, oth at 2600.com, because this kind of thing just cannot stand.
[41:28.580 --> 41:34.580]  Something else is kind of on the humorous side, I guess, and I say that with all kinds of sarcasm.
[41:35.180 --> 41:47.340]  President Bush has ordered plans for temporarily disabling the United States Network of Global Positioning Satellites during a national crisis to prevent terrorists from using the navigational technology.
[41:47.740 --> 41:50.220]  The White House actually said that last Wednesday.
[41:50.420 --> 42:02.240]  Any shutdown of the network inside the United States would come under only the most remarkable circumstances, said a Bush administration official who spoke to a small group of reporters at the White House on condition of anonymity.
[42:03.160 --> 42:08.840]  I don't know how you do that exactly, but I guess.
[42:09.080 --> 42:13.040]  The GPS system is vital to commercial aviation and marine shipping.
[42:13.160 --> 42:14.580]  Now, think about that just for a second.
[42:14.840 --> 42:18.660]  President Bush finds something remarkable, all right?
[42:18.720 --> 42:24.620]  And he decides this is a good opportunity to shut down the GPS system, because this is just too remarkable for words.
[42:24.720 --> 42:26.240]  And all these airplanes are in the sky.
[42:26.420 --> 42:28.300]  There's no GPS anymore.
[42:28.580 --> 42:29.540]  I don't know.
[42:29.820 --> 42:31.680]  I have serious doubts about this.
[42:31.680 --> 42:42.400]  Well, there's still going to be radar, and the air traffic controllers will see these planes and say, go to this airfield, it's to your south, it's to your west, or whatever, and land.
[42:43.140 --> 42:45.080]  I'm sure everybody will be nice and calm, too.
[42:45.220 --> 42:48.780]  But, you know, it's just maybe kind of stressful what we don't need at this point.
[42:48.960 --> 42:55.780]  The President also instructed the Defense Department to develop plans to disable in certain areas an enemy's access to the U.S.
[42:55.940 --> 42:59.160]  navigational satellites and dissimilar systems operated by others.
[42:59.160 --> 43:05.000]  The European Union is developing a $4.8 billion program called Galileo.
[43:05.000 --> 43:06.260]  You guys heard about this?
[43:06.920 --> 43:07.440]  Yes.
[43:08.780 --> 43:14.780]  It's the EU, the European Union's version of the United States' global positioning system.
[43:14.900 --> 43:21.240]  And the Soviets, or now the Russians, have a similar system called GLONASS, which has been around for many years.
[43:21.240 --> 43:25.720]  So there are commercial receivers you can purchase.
[43:25.720 --> 43:29.640]  They're more expensive, but receive both GPS and GLONASS.
[43:30.320 --> 43:35.080]  And the European Union's version called Galileo is not up in place yet.
[43:35.080 --> 43:39.580]  But when it is, you'll be able to buy a commercial receiver that can receive those signals as well.
[43:39.580 --> 43:54.320]  But what concerns me is what Emmanuel just mentioned, is that the President is ordering the Defense Department to develop plans to disable really anyone's access to similar systems operated by others.
[43:54.380 --> 43:55.780]  I'd like to know how they're going to do that.
[43:57.080 --> 43:58.660]  You know, in other words...
[43:59.540 --> 44:00.860]  Maybe frequency jamming?
[44:01.080 --> 44:01.280]  I don't think they're going to do it.
[44:01.420 --> 44:06.840]  I mean, they could do it by calling up their friends in the EU and saying, do it.
[44:07.340 --> 44:07.800]  I mean...
[44:07.800 --> 44:08.740]  Yeah, they could...
[44:08.740 --> 44:10.760]  Frequency jam would probably be the easiest thing.
[44:10.900 --> 44:12.540]  If you were trying to target a certain area.
[44:12.860 --> 44:13.040]  Right.
[44:13.160 --> 44:16.800]  You know that they're going to be bombing the Gateway Arch in St. Louis.
[44:17.240 --> 44:18.960]  So you shut off...
[44:18.960 --> 44:24.080]  You get a frequency jammer into St. Louis and jam the frequencies from all three satellite systems.
[44:24.080 --> 44:26.240]  And then nobody will be able to find the...
[44:26.240 --> 44:26.600]  Usually...
[44:26.600 --> 44:28.500]  Nobody will be able to find the Arch in St. Louis then.
[44:28.980 --> 44:29.220]  Right.
[44:29.440 --> 44:29.600]  Right.
[44:29.700 --> 44:31.980]  Because as we all know, it's deeply buried underground.
[44:32.640 --> 44:32.780]  Right.
[44:32.860 --> 44:37.020]  Usually the first sign that somebody's going to bomb something is when they bomb it.
[44:37.860 --> 44:40.460]  You know, that's just how it works.
[44:41.780 --> 44:42.200]  Anyway.
[44:43.380 --> 44:44.260]  Finally, this story.
[44:44.380 --> 44:45.300]  And then we could take some phone calls.
[44:45.400 --> 44:47.100]  212-209-2900.
[44:47.740 --> 44:48.280]  U.S.
[44:48.400 --> 44:48.940]  air travelers...
[44:48.940 --> 44:51.920]  We reported on this last week about cell phones in the sky.
[44:51.920 --> 44:52.740]  Well, U.S.
[44:52.800 --> 45:02.380]  air travelers wasted little time barraging communications regulators with hundreds of emails registering their opposition to ending the ban on the use of mobile phones during commercial flights.
[45:02.640 --> 45:03.360]  The U.S.
[45:03.640 --> 45:11.940]  Federal Communications Commission on Wednesday, last Wednesday, unanimously proposed lifting the ban if issues about safety and technical hurdles can be overcome.
[45:12.860 --> 45:15.420]  Their mandate was to facilitate communications.
[45:15.800 --> 45:25.440]  But, the potential of scores of passengers talking on mobile phones during a lengthy flight has many travelers worried that their last quiet haven from such conversations will evaporate.
[45:25.640 --> 45:36.300]  We've received a couple of hundred emails from the public, most of whom believe that use of devices that don't involve talking are fine, but are not looking forward to the possibility of hearing more conversations than they do now.
[45:36.300 --> 45:40.080]  So, I have to add my vote to that.
[45:42.080 --> 45:43.120]  Emanuel, one minute.
[45:43.120 --> 45:45.900]  I have a Christmas suggestion for everyone listening.
[45:46.820 --> 45:47.040]  Okay.
[45:47.100 --> 45:49.260]  Again, the phone number 212-209-2900.
[45:49.380 --> 45:49.780]  Go ahead, Jim.
[45:49.780 --> 45:50.160]  Okay.
[45:50.620 --> 45:55.200]  All this is listed at tinyurl.com slash 4CHKC.
[45:55.200 --> 45:56.760]  But, I want to mention two items.
[45:56.940 --> 46:14.280]  There's a new book coming out called Hacking a Terror Network, which presents a CD-ROM disc in it, which lists fake websites to illustrate all the exploits that the author says terrorists can use to communicate with one another.
[46:15.580 --> 46:19.160]  Steganography, messages not being mailed, just saved, and such-wise.
[46:19.620 --> 46:22.300]  The other interesting thing is the Commodore 64.
[46:22.300 --> 46:23.980]  I don't know if anyone has heard of this.
[46:24.420 --> 46:30.760]  Not the old Commodore 64, but the new Commodore 64, which, in a way, is the old Commodore 64.
[46:30.760 --> 46:47.980]  A hacker from Washington State named Jerry Ellsworth, she has developed a joystick, which is being sold on QVC.com, which, for the non-computer literate, is a joystick that just presents 30 of the classic Commodore 64 games.
[46:48.220 --> 46:54.560]  But, to the more initiated, can be converted into an emulator for the old Commodore 64.
[46:54.560 --> 46:59.840]  The woman is self-taught and, apparently, an impressive genius.
[47:00.460 --> 47:01.240]  A true hacker.
[47:01.480 --> 47:02.920]  A true hacker, yes.
[47:03.900 --> 47:05.280]  What's that URL again, Jim?
[47:05.660 --> 47:15.740]  Okay, the complete list of the stuff I recommend for Christmas for Hackers is at tinyerell.com slash 4CHKC.
[47:16.220 --> 47:19.320]  It's listed on Alt 2600, the news group.
[47:19.460 --> 47:22.100]  Just look for Christmas or for Red Balaclava.
[47:23.620 --> 47:26.920]  And there's a couple more suggestions for people who are interested.
[47:27.120 --> 47:29.960]  And the joystick is called the Commodore 64.
[47:29.960 --> 47:32.020]  It can be found at QVC.com.
[47:32.240 --> 47:34.120]  It's like 25 bucks or something to achieve.
[47:34.480 --> 47:35.140]  Yeah, 30 bucks.
[47:35.840 --> 47:37.280]  Shall we take some phone calls?
[47:37.460 --> 47:38.020]  We shall.
[47:38.140 --> 47:41.120]  The number again, 212-209-2900.
[47:41.320 --> 47:43.900]  Country code 1, if you're outside the country.
[47:44.720 --> 47:45.960]  And you're on the air.
[47:46.360 --> 47:48.420]  Yes, I'd like to mention...
[47:48.420 --> 47:50.240]  No, no, not today.
[47:52.000 --> 47:52.820]  Let's try here.
[47:53.800 --> 47:54.760]  Hello, you're on the air.
[47:56.440 --> 47:59.440]  Yeah, the guy who said he wanted a neutron bomb Iraq?
[47:59.520 --> 48:00.480]  He can go to hell.
[48:01.020 --> 48:01.640]  Yes, he certainly can.
[48:01.640 --> 48:01.760]  He hit the road.
[48:01.980 --> 48:02.860]  Yes, he certainly can.
[48:03.060 --> 48:03.940]  We're on WABC radio.
[48:04.060 --> 48:04.700]  That's where you belong.
[48:05.120 --> 48:09.700]  You said you wanted a neutron bomb Iraq and you got a regular stint on BAI?
[48:09.700 --> 48:16.420]  Who do you think you are, saying that about murdering, committing genocide against the workers of Iraq?
[48:16.420 --> 48:17.240]  How dare you?
[48:18.780 --> 48:20.700]  Did somebody say that on this show?
[48:21.560 --> 48:21.940]  I don't know.
[48:22.000 --> 48:26.820]  I might have mentioned it in sarcasm once, but I actually don't remember that.
[48:26.820 --> 48:28.940]  But that's a little violent even for me, actually.
[48:30.300 --> 48:33.500]  Well, if anybody did say that, it was highly inappropriate and should not be said.
[48:33.720 --> 48:35.360]  So that kind of thing is...
[48:35.360 --> 48:43.100]  I mean, you know, people say things in the politeness of the moment, I guess, that aren't in really the best taste.
[48:43.100 --> 48:46.480]  If somebody knows what show it was on, please email us and let us know.
[48:46.480 --> 48:47.960]  Yeah, it could have been another show on the station.
[48:48.220 --> 48:48.440]  Yeah.
[48:48.820 --> 48:51.360]  I think it might have been a Thanksgiving show, not that I'm thinking about it.
[48:51.580 --> 48:53.480]  You might have said something like that, but...
[48:53.480 --> 48:54.440]  I'll listen to it.
[48:55.020 --> 48:55.460]  Yeah.
[48:55.780 --> 48:57.740]  Alright, let's take another call.
[48:57.940 --> 48:58.160]  Hello?
[48:58.680 --> 48:59.500]  You're on the air.
[49:01.160 --> 49:02.080]  I guess not.
[49:02.220 --> 49:02.360]  Yeah.
[49:02.620 --> 49:02.880]  Oh.
[49:03.520 --> 49:04.280]  We're sorry.
[49:04.400 --> 49:05.080]  Sorry, sorry.
[49:05.280 --> 49:07.220]  Call us back and...
[49:07.820 --> 49:09.920]  Sometimes it's a real satellite delay, you know?
[49:10.120 --> 49:12.020]  Yeah, we've got someone on the air right now.
[49:12.380 --> 49:12.820]  Hello?
[49:13.100 --> 49:13.380]  Hi.
[49:13.760 --> 49:16.620]  I'd like to know, what is your fascination with trains?
[49:16.920 --> 49:19.420]  Did you guys not get a train set when you were kids?
[49:20.000 --> 49:20.180]  No.
[49:20.380 --> 49:33.240]  Trains and hackers go together because trains have an elaborate signaling system, which is often a precursor to early computers, among other things.
[49:33.540 --> 49:42.860]  Also, trains are complex mechanical systems in which a certain protocol generates a certain certain result, much like a computer.
[49:43.560 --> 49:43.820]  Okay.
[49:44.040 --> 49:44.620]  Just curious.
[49:45.300 --> 49:45.460]  Thanks.
[49:45.580 --> 49:46.780]  You know, I never realized that.
[49:46.840 --> 49:48.040]  I just like to watch them go by.
[49:48.760 --> 49:52.940]  We all find it soothing, but you guys talk about trains quite a bit.
[49:52.940 --> 49:57.160]  Well, also, they're a microcosm of civilization, especially here in New York.
[49:57.860 --> 50:02.240]  You have the public, and you have a monolithic organization running it.
[50:02.820 --> 50:03.820]  Gee, where is that such a building?
[50:03.840 --> 50:07.920]  Interesting, because a lot of hackers do seem to be very fascinated with trains.
[50:07.920 --> 50:13.060]  So I don't quite understand it myself, but it's definitely something that we tend to share.
[50:13.420 --> 50:26.640]  I'll have a report in a couple of weeks of what it's like to ride a train in Thailand from near the island of Phuket, about 800 kilometers, which is about 500 miles north to Bangkok.
[50:26.640 --> 50:28.600]  And it should be an interesting train trip.
[50:29.400 --> 50:31.720]  How do you spell Phuket again, Bernie?
[50:32.180 --> 50:34.120]  P-H-U-K-E-T.
[50:34.280 --> 50:37.760]  Now, other people pronounce it a different way, but the Thai is apparently pronounced...
[50:37.760 --> 50:38.640]  Okay.
[50:38.960 --> 50:39.200]  Okay.
[50:40.280 --> 50:42.540]  Apparently you shocked that listener right off the air.
[50:43.240 --> 50:44.400]  Shall we take another phone call?
[50:44.660 --> 50:45.200]  We shall.
[50:45.940 --> 50:47.200]  And hello, you're on the air.
[50:48.300 --> 50:49.160]  That one, too.
[50:49.260 --> 50:50.960]  I'm not having good luck with the phones today.
[50:51.140 --> 50:52.040]  Let's try this one.
[50:52.120 --> 50:52.620]  You're on the air.
[50:53.340 --> 50:53.780]  Hello.
[50:54.280 --> 50:59.000]  About the Paris subway, they have different fare rates.
[50:59.000 --> 51:01.260]  You know, first class, second class, stuff like that.
[51:02.220 --> 51:03.020]  They do, in fact.
[51:03.240 --> 51:06.640]  Well, actually, we weren't talking about Paris as far as the riddle, which I almost forgot about.
[51:06.860 --> 51:09.440]  They used to have first and second class up until 1991.
[51:09.640 --> 51:11.300]  I just learned this fact today, in fact.
[51:12.140 --> 51:15.720]  And then they did away with it, and all the subway cars are now second class.
[51:15.820 --> 51:18.180]  You'd think they'd all be first class, but no, they're all second class.
[51:18.840 --> 51:21.560]  And another interesting thing, though, they do have different fare rates.
[51:22.340 --> 51:24.600]  Zone one and two is Paris proper.
[51:24.600 --> 51:31.440]  But if you go to the part of Paris that has the high-rise buildings, that's actually considered zone three, which is outside of Paris.
[51:31.680 --> 51:37.660]  So I went there the other day, and I couldn't get out of the subway because my ticket wouldn't let me leave.
[51:37.820 --> 51:38.320]  Right, right.
[51:38.400 --> 51:39.180]  You can't exit.
[51:39.280 --> 51:40.120]  You can't exit.
[51:40.280 --> 51:44.400]  Even if you put that thing in, it will reject that little sliver that they gave you.
[51:45.280 --> 51:49.560]  Unfortunately, the system is so old and decrepit that there's always at least one broken gate.
[51:49.560 --> 51:51.300]  So you just walk through that one, and you're out.
[51:51.300 --> 51:56.120]  And people are constantly walking through broken gates going in and out, jumping over turnstiles.
[51:56.340 --> 51:57.140]  It's mayhem.
[51:57.440 --> 52:02.260]  Yeah, but their turnstiles were newer before we ever got ours.
[52:02.260 --> 52:11.260]  But can I give a riddle for Spain, because you said you went to Spain.
[52:12.420 --> 52:25.120]  What's in a department store for women, but it isn't personal or lingerie or anything like that, that is not in department stores in New York City or other places in the world.
[52:25.120 --> 52:31.800]  They have a department that sells things for them that in no other place in the world do they have it.
[52:32.440 --> 52:33.840]  How are we going to find out the answer?
[52:34.080 --> 52:38.860]  Oh, well, because you have to have gone there or look up the index.
[52:38.860 --> 52:42.980]  Because when you were there last time, I couldn't get in to call.
[52:43.160 --> 52:44.240]  We don't know what it is.
[52:44.320 --> 52:45.000]  Please tell us.
[52:45.200 --> 52:45.740]  Somebody will tell you.
[52:45.960 --> 52:46.880]  Somebody will tell you.
[52:46.900 --> 52:48.360]  You can just tell us, because we may never know.
[52:48.360 --> 52:48.860]  Okay, no.
[52:49.180 --> 52:51.580]  They have a fan department.
[52:51.620 --> 52:52.900]  You know that they fan themselves?
[52:53.280 --> 52:55.980]  And here in the United States, they don't have a fan department.
[52:56.100 --> 52:57.540]  Honestly, it's not a joke.
[52:57.820 --> 53:02.760]  They use fans there, and when you go there, you go to the fan department.
[53:02.920 --> 53:05.840]  They have, you know, cutlery and, you know, dresses and pets.
[53:06.100 --> 53:11.500]  But here in New York, if you went to Bloomingdale's, they wouldn't have a department for fan, you know, hand fans.
[53:11.960 --> 53:13.100]  And they do have in Spain.
[53:13.560 --> 53:16.340]  Well, I guess it's because it gets rather warm there.
[53:16.340 --> 53:17.600]  Well, that's my point.
[53:17.800 --> 53:24.260]  But they use it, you know, if they have signaling, which is not, you know, obvious for this program.
[53:24.460 --> 53:28.180]  But the women would signal with their fans whether they liked you or not.
[53:28.300 --> 53:32.000]  And they would signal to each other silently because they were supposed to be...
[53:32.000 --> 53:32.880]  I'm not kidding you.
[53:33.040 --> 53:37.060]  And if they did it to the right or the left would mean they would like you or not like you.
[53:37.180 --> 53:41.760]  And if they covered their face completely, it means, you know, you wouldn't get to any base.
[53:41.760 --> 53:50.200]  But if they did it, winked, you know, showed one eye or the other, then it meant that you should come to them and speak to them.
[53:50.300 --> 53:51.900]  And, you know, but all silently.
[53:51.900 --> 53:57.740]  So it's just a matter of interpreting that, which is kind of a passé now.
[53:57.960 --> 53:58.660]  But it's...
[53:58.660 --> 54:01.260]  The cultural complexities of...
[54:01.260 --> 54:03.000]  We've got a real fan...
[54:04.560 --> 54:07.220]  On Christopher Street there are handkerchief departments, aren't there?
[54:07.620 --> 54:08.300]  I've heard.
[54:08.520 --> 54:11.460]  Well, I want to thank that caller for all the information.
[54:11.620 --> 54:12.240]  That's very interesting.
[54:12.420 --> 54:21.180]  I guess I should give out what the actual difference between the mass transit of Lisbon and Madrid is to what most of the rest of the world is.
[54:21.180 --> 54:21.980]  Yes.
[54:22.180 --> 54:22.540]  Are you ready?
[54:22.780 --> 54:22.980]  Yes.
[54:22.980 --> 54:23.120]  Go ahead.
[54:24.540 --> 54:28.200]  The cars drive on the left, not on the right.
[54:28.580 --> 54:29.960]  Now, in England, they do this.
[54:29.960 --> 54:31.920]  That's because they drive on the left instead of the right.
[54:32.040 --> 54:39.180]  But I can't figure out for the life of me why in both Lisbon and Madrid, every subway car I rode was on the wrong side of the track.
[54:39.960 --> 54:40.520]  All right.
[54:40.740 --> 54:41.680]  We'll see you next week.
[54:43.060 --> 54:43.640]  Good night.
[54:43.900 --> 54:44.080]  Bye.
[54:44.960 --> 54:49.340]  And this has been Off the Hook on WBAI New York 99.5 FM.
[54:51.440 --> 54:54.820]  What's the point here anymore?
[54:55.300 --> 54:58.760]  Here's one tip to be secure.
[54:59.180 --> 55:02.400]  You should be less obvious.
[55:03.220 --> 55:06.920]  I don't think you're smart enough now.
[55:06.920 --> 55:08.380]  I
[55:15.960 --> 55:17.400]  tried your birthday.
[55:19.310 --> 55:21.940]  I tried your mom's first name.
[55:38.250 --> 55:41.450]  Who's that girl from Camp Lejeune?
[55:41.850 --> 55:45.170]  Sent you letters every afternoon.
[55:45.970 --> 55:49.250]  Rather not have her around.
[55:49.690 --> 55:53.010]  Had to bring her server down.
[56:01.170 --> 56:03.930]  I tried your birthday.
[56:05.050 --> 56:08.610]  I tried your mom's first name.
[56:09.450 --> 56:13.010]  I have a password to yours.
[56:16.670 --> 56:19.430]  I tried your birthday.
[56:20.650 --> 56:23.710]  I tried your mom's birthday.
[56:24.590 --> 56:27.350]  I tried your mom's birthday.
[56:51.620 --> 56:54.680]  I tried your mom's birthday.
[56:55.660 --> 57:00.460]  I have the password to your...
[57:03.180 --> 57:06.380]  I tried your guest name.
[57:07.080 --> 57:10.960]  I tried your favorite bands.
[57:11.320 --> 57:16.200]  I have the password to your...
[57:16.200 --> 57:18.120]  Shall I count?