[00:00.000 --> 00:03.480]  Can you please ask them to give us some poison and kill us all?
[00:07.740 --> 00:15.420]  In the many tsunami-affected coasts of Kerala, business groups are buying land from poor fishermen for throwaway price.
[00:16.320 --> 00:22.760]  Privatization of beaches is a main area of contention between the local communities and the tourism industry.
[00:22.760 --> 00:25.160]  Again, Professor Nina Rao.
[00:25.600 --> 00:31.600]  I think the areas where there have been conflicts with fisherfolk is the area where...
[00:31.600 --> 00:36.540]  And we're going to have to fade it down there as Free Speech Radio News is running late and we got to get on schedule here.
[00:36.700 --> 00:40.300]  It's time for Off the Hook here on WBAI New York.
[00:48.780 --> 00:53.280]  The telephone keeps ringing, so I ripped it off the wall.
[00:54.220 --> 00:58.720]  I cut myself while shaving, now I can't make a call.
[00:58.720 --> 01:01.640]  We couldn't get much worse.
[01:04.420 --> 01:06.980]  Bilibom for the best, expect the worst.
[01:07.580 --> 01:09.540]  I hope that's understood.
[01:09.880 --> 01:10.400]  Bilibom!
[01:45.210 --> 01:46.310]  And good evening to everybody.
[01:46.410 --> 01:47.210]  The program is Off the Hook.
[01:47.270 --> 01:50.310]  Emmanuel Goldstein here with you on this Wednesday evening.
[01:51.770 --> 01:53.510]  Our last show in September.
[01:54.930 --> 01:58.230]  And we're joined tonight by Mike.
[01:58.550 --> 01:58.930]  Hi.
[01:59.590 --> 02:00.630]  And Walter.
[02:00.970 --> 02:01.130]  Hey.
[02:01.770 --> 02:02.410]  Jim.
[02:02.830 --> 02:03.070]  Hello.
[02:03.830 --> 02:04.450]  Good evening.
[02:04.830 --> 02:06.130]  And Bernie, yes, down there in Philadelphia.
[02:06.750 --> 02:07.390]  Good evening.
[02:08.050 --> 02:12.530]  And Bernie, let's start off with some legal stuff that has just recently happened.
[02:12.650 --> 02:13.390]  This actually happened today.
[02:13.490 --> 02:18.650]  The House panel has approved the electronic surveillance bill.
[02:19.030 --> 02:20.010]  Actually, no, this happened last week.
[02:20.010 --> 02:20.770]  I'm reading the wrong story.
[02:21.350 --> 02:22.330]  Something happened today.
[02:23.230 --> 02:24.170]  A lot happened today.
[02:24.310 --> 02:25.290]  Well, yeah, that's true.
[02:25.310 --> 02:25.810]  A lot happened today.
[02:25.810 --> 02:28.910]  But what happened today, I don't think I actually have the printout, but...
[02:28.910 --> 02:39.350]  Oh, a proposed law that would allow US law enforcement to target anyone in America with any kind of electronic surveillance for 90 days after a terrorist attack?
[02:39.350 --> 02:40.470]  Yeah, yeah, something like that.
[02:40.570 --> 02:42.750]  It has to be a terrorist attack that happens before they can do this?
[02:42.850 --> 02:43.250]  Is that how it works?
[02:43.250 --> 02:44.410]  Yeah, but it's not really a...
[02:44.410 --> 02:57.410]  Well, no, but it gives law enforcement additional flexibility to do electronic surveillance on anyone in the country, Americans included, and especially.
[02:57.410 --> 03:04.350]  What's interesting is that the bill's language doesn't seem to specify what constitutes a terrorist attack.
[03:04.590 --> 03:29.550]  And based on previous US exaggerations about planned or attempted terrorist attacks, many of which couldn't have even been feasible, a new attack really could be conjured up every 90 days, allowing virtually unlimited perpetual electronic surveillance on really everyone in America without any judicial oversight at all.
[03:30.010 --> 03:39.170]  So, you know, four times a year, you just come up with like, oh, we caught some guys that were going to do something, and then they got another 90 days to surveil everybody without warrants.
[03:39.170 --> 03:42.430]  I believe this is called the Electronic Modernization Surveillance Act.
[03:43.030 --> 03:43.590]  Yes.
[03:43.870 --> 03:44.350]  Or EMSA.
[03:44.850 --> 03:45.410]  EMSA.
[03:45.770 --> 03:50.330]  And according to this AP story, it's opposed by several privacy groups.
[03:50.470 --> 03:51.030]  Several.
[03:51.630 --> 03:56.870]  Gee, you would think all of them would be opposing this, but apparently not that many, according to the story anyway.
[03:57.530 --> 04:03.770]  So basically, yeah, 90 days without a court order after a terrorist attack.
[04:03.770 --> 04:10.230]  And it was voted on 20 to 16 was the final vote from the House Judiciary Committee.
[04:11.490 --> 04:14.690]  But also the other one I was referring to today had to do with torture.
[04:14.830 --> 04:16.610]  I think torture was legalized today.
[04:17.130 --> 04:19.090]  At least it was voted on by the House.
[04:19.550 --> 04:20.770]  They gave Bush what he wanted.
[04:21.150 --> 04:22.830]  And now it just has to be voted on by the Senate.
[04:22.970 --> 04:26.010]  And before you know it, we're a third world dictatorship.
[04:26.650 --> 04:27.370]  Just like that.
[04:27.750 --> 04:28.510]  Isn't democracy wonderful?
[04:28.990 --> 04:29.550]  Not yet.
[04:29.750 --> 04:30.770]  Not yet, but it's coming.
[04:30.870 --> 04:31.170]  It's coming.
[04:31.170 --> 04:32.170]  It's just down the pike.
[04:33.050 --> 04:35.570]  Other legal things in Germany.
[04:36.250 --> 04:41.250]  New legislation has been proposed that would make computer hacking a punishable crime.
[04:41.250 --> 04:43.350]  The draft law was announced a week ago.
[04:43.510 --> 04:51.250]  It defines hacking as penetrating a computer security system and gaining access to secure data without necessarily stealing data.
[04:51.410 --> 04:52.930]  Whatever stealing data is defined as.
[04:53.230 --> 04:57.970]  As part of the draft groups that intentionally create, spread, or purchase hacker tools.
[04:57.970 --> 04:59.110]  What does that mean?
[04:59.210 --> 05:00.350]  Purchase hacker tools?
[05:00.350 --> 05:05.830]  I mean, if we sell a screwdriver to somebody and put 2600's name on it, does that mean it's a hacker tool?
[05:05.890 --> 05:07.970]  I think most hacking is done with axes, actually.
[05:08.130 --> 05:08.330]  Yeah.
[05:08.450 --> 05:11.210]  And some writing, too, as in some of these stories I'm reading.
[05:13.150 --> 05:14.330]  Designed for illegal purposes.
[05:14.490 --> 05:14.670]  Okay.
[05:14.790 --> 05:15.890]  Well, they can change the law.
[05:15.990 --> 05:27.590]  That's really ridiculous because there are so many network security tools that can be defined as either hacking tools or security tools or, you know, whatever, penetration testing tools, whatever you want to define them as, depending on the purpose.
[05:27.590 --> 05:29.030]  So it's just, it's really...
[05:29.590 --> 05:36.250]  More interestingly, the law seems to define hacking as entering a system that has security on it.
[05:36.430 --> 05:42.470]  What if you enter a system that has no security, that's wide open, that goes by security by obscurity, say?
[05:42.930 --> 05:44.370]  Then you can't be charged?
[05:44.590 --> 05:46.730]  And this has happened many, many times where a webpage has...
[05:46.730 --> 05:47.050]  Most of the time.
[05:47.210 --> 05:51.610]  Yeah, has no protection whatsoever, where people are able to access information with no password.
[05:52.090 --> 05:53.010]  Yeah, it happens a lot.
[05:53.010 --> 06:08.330]  Now, as part of the draft, other punishable cyber crimes include denial of service attacks and computer sabotage attacks on individuals, which would extend the existing law that limited sabotage to businesses and public authorities.
[06:08.990 --> 06:11.910]  Offenders could face up to 10 years in prison for major offenses.
[06:11.910 --> 06:13.490]  I mean, you know, sabotage is bad.
[06:13.770 --> 06:20.330]  Somebody sabotages you or stalks you or does something evil like that, then yeah, I guess some kind of penalty is in order.
[06:20.750 --> 06:23.930]  The question is, is computer hacking per se the problem?
[06:24.130 --> 06:29.950]  I think the issue here is that the people writing the laws have to actually understand the technology and that's clearly not the case.
[06:29.950 --> 06:39.750]  Well, in Germany, it's a lot closer to the case than it is here, that's for sure, because our friends at Chaos Computer Club are in regular contact with legislators and government officials.
[06:39.770 --> 06:43.290]  And I think there's more communication going on over there than we have over here.
[06:43.330 --> 06:47.970]  So it's kind of surprising to see a law that looks so reactionary as this one.
[06:49.070 --> 06:54.450]  I'd like to hear more details and see just exactly what this means, what this will mean.
[06:54.450 --> 06:56.410]  I think it really depends on how it's applied.
[06:56.710 --> 07:02.410]  I mean, if it's applied as strictly as it seems to be written, then I think it might even be okay.
[07:02.410 --> 07:12.410]  But if it's just sort of willy nilly, as we said, applied to people who go into websites without passwords and all this stuff, then it will be a lot like the United States.
[07:13.410 --> 07:17.530]  Another interesting story that came in this week concerning legal issues.
[07:17.530 --> 07:28.030]  As if talking on a cell phone isn't distraction enough, police in ICANN, South Carolina, have busted a man for what you might call DWP, driving with porn.
[07:28.470 --> 07:35.250]  Officers say Tracy Pope had an X-rated DVD playing on an in-car video system.
[07:35.470 --> 07:40.170]  The charges he faces include felony disseminating or promoting obscenity.
[07:40.310 --> 07:44.870]  And that's because authorities say a kid could have looked into the car and spotted the pornography on the video screen.
[07:44.870 --> 07:49.790]  Police say they also seized several X-rated DVDs from the vehicle, including the one that was playing.
[07:50.330 --> 07:51.790]  Bernie, what do you think about this, legally?
[07:52.350 --> 07:53.570]  Have you ever seen this, Emmanuel?
[07:53.650 --> 07:54.310]  I've seen this.
[07:54.750 --> 07:55.170]  Seen what?
[07:55.390 --> 07:56.190]  Pornography in a car?
[07:56.490 --> 07:58.650]  Yeah, I've been driving on the highway and then...
[07:58.650 --> 07:59.730]  Not on video, anyway.
[08:00.110 --> 08:10.430]  No, I've seen, you know, these cars that have video screens in their rear, either in their, what do you call them, sun visors or behind the headrest.
[08:10.430 --> 08:12.830]  Yeah, I've seen those, and you know what, TVB guns do not work on them.
[08:13.650 --> 08:14.610]  That's right, I've tried that.
[08:14.610 --> 08:15.690]  I've tried many times.
[08:16.650 --> 08:33.490]  I mean, it's distracting, you know, but it's an interesting legal case, because in his defense this guy could claim that a kid could have just as easily seen this porn from the street while he was watching it in his living room, through the big living room window.
[08:33.490 --> 08:46.250]  Well, okay, that brings up an interesting question, that if you're playing hardcore pornography in your living room and you have the drapes wide open and the whole world can see if they just pass by your house, is there some kind of statute that might come into play in that situation?
[08:46.870 --> 08:49.810]  Well, maybe, but I want to know where this is going to stop.
[08:50.130 --> 08:53.830]  Will R-rated movies in cars then be banned?
[08:55.770 --> 08:58.810]  Because someone who's under, what age is it, 14?
[08:59.350 --> 09:00.910]  How old do you have to be to see an R-rated movie?
[09:01.910 --> 09:02.710]  17, I think.
[09:02.870 --> 09:04.530]  17, unless your parents say it's okay.
[09:04.650 --> 09:07.890]  But a lot of that has to do with language, and I don't think you can hear the audio if you just pass by.
[09:07.950 --> 09:13.370]  Well, I mean, it could be necessarily language, it could be sex, probably more likely than violence.
[09:13.370 --> 09:15.070]  But what about PG-13 films?
[09:15.250 --> 09:25.610]  There could be, you know, little kids in cars, so does that mean that we should lower our standards for every video playing in any car to rated G?
[09:25.770 --> 09:35.810]  And does it mean that traffic cops are going to become de facto roving MPAA enforcement agents who can block people up?
[09:35.810 --> 09:42.030]  Well, while I've never actually been to a drive-in, I've passed by a few of the remaining ones in my life.
[09:42.090 --> 09:56.090]  And I've seen occasionally R-rated movies playing as I passed by, and huge, huge pictorializations or whatever of various parts of the body that maybe they want to protect children against.
[09:56.150 --> 10:01.150]  So if you can do it in a drive-in movie, I imagine you can probably, you know, do things like that in your car or in your living room.
[10:01.150 --> 10:05.950]  There are two interesting slippery slopes that aren't really being discussed in this story.
[10:06.130 --> 10:15.110]  The first one is, you can argue that maybe the police should do this if your sun visor or the back of the seat has the screen.
[10:15.290 --> 10:21.290]  But what if it's a freestanding DVD player and you have it on the seat or on the floor, all right?
[10:21.450 --> 10:25.490]  Where, yes, a kid could have looked in, but the kid has to be right by the car.
[10:25.950 --> 10:28.790]  What if you have printed material and you're reading it?
[10:29.550 --> 10:32.450]  Or even better, photographic material and you're looking at it.
[10:32.610 --> 10:36.970]  And if you're holding it, you know, at head level, that's one thing.
[10:37.090 --> 10:38.590]  If you're holding it in the lap, it's another.
[10:40.210 --> 10:41.710]  There are a lot of questions here.
[10:41.790 --> 10:43.550]  This is very disturbing and dangerous.
[10:43.790 --> 10:44.170]  Mike?
[10:44.490 --> 10:47.510]  I'm pleased to hear that Jim has thought through all the possibilities here.
[10:47.710 --> 10:52.630]  But in reference to the question that Bernie posed about R-rated movies, there's an important distinction.
[10:52.630 --> 11:01.830]  And that is that, as I think we all know, but we forget a lot, the motion picture rating code is not enshrined in laws.
[11:02.670 --> 11:10.730]  There's nothing illegal about going to see a movie if you're 16 or showing a movie to someone who's 16 or any of that.
[11:11.790 --> 11:14.390]  Laws about pornography are actual laws.
[11:14.450 --> 11:19.690]  But the motion picture rating is just, you know, custom.
[11:19.890 --> 11:20.710]  Strictly voluntary.
[11:21.010 --> 11:21.410]  Strictly voluntary.
[11:21.570 --> 11:22.010]  Strictly voluntary.
[11:22.630 --> 11:29.610]  The thing is, good luck getting your film distributed to any of the major chains or getting advertising if you have an NC-17 film.
[11:29.630 --> 11:31.110]  Or if you have a film that's not rated.
[11:31.310 --> 11:35.310]  And in fact, that reminds me of a film we saw recently called This Film Has Not Yet Been Rated.
[11:35.770 --> 11:40.230]  And this is something I recommend to anybody out there interested in the whole movie industry.
[11:40.430 --> 11:42.370]  Everybody in the film industry should see this movie.
[11:42.690 --> 11:44.510]  It's currently playing in various places.
[11:45.310 --> 11:48.250]  It's basically... it's the kind of thing we wanted to do.
[11:48.370 --> 11:57.010]  And some of it actually is stuff that we did do, such as calling up the MPAA and kind of hacking their voicemail box to figure out who some of these people might be.
[11:57.010 --> 12:09.970]  These guys go out and they basically try to find out who are these mysterious people who see every single movie that comes out and decides who may watch them and who may not watch them and what letter categorization they're going to get.
[12:09.970 --> 12:16.650]  But it's great fun, and it's definitely something that I advocate people pay attention to.
[12:16.730 --> 12:17.590]  This film has not yet been rated.
[12:17.650 --> 12:18.210]  What do you think of it?
[12:18.390 --> 12:20.130]  I thought it was very well put together.
[12:20.130 --> 12:29.070]  One of the amusing parts is that the filmmaker, I guess, submits an early draft of his film to the board for a rating.
[12:29.310 --> 12:39.010]  And, of course, his film is rated NC-17, which means that, again, not in law but in custom, people who are under 18 can't go see it.
[12:39.970 --> 12:43.630]  And the board's explanation for what's wrong with it is kind of amusing.
[12:44.010 --> 12:47.750]  Yeah, they always come up with weird explanations and suggestions.
[12:47.830 --> 12:58.990]  They don't tell you what to do with your film, but they do say if you were to get rid of one of these expletives, perhaps you would get an R rating instead of an NC-17 or ridiculous things like that.
[12:58.990 --> 13:05.350]  They just focus on really inane types of subject matter.
[13:05.730 --> 13:06.850]  And who are these people?
[13:06.990 --> 13:08.230]  Their names are kept secret?
[13:08.230 --> 13:08.710]  Well, not anymore.
[13:08.730 --> 13:10.510]  If you see this movie, you will find out who they are.
[13:10.830 --> 13:12.050]  Unless they were all fired.
[13:12.170 --> 13:16.110]  They might have all been fired, they might have all been transferred, or there might be a whole new crew of people.
[13:16.730 --> 13:19.850]  But you'll see how to find people like this, and it's brilliantly done.
[13:20.350 --> 13:24.630]  And, in fact, Martin Garbus is in it, our lawyer from the MPAA case in 2000.
[13:25.030 --> 13:27.030]  They sort of almost mention our case.
[13:27.030 --> 13:33.350]  They talk about piracy and various things like that and the MPAA's way of fighting things in court.
[13:33.770 --> 13:36.330]  But I guess, you know, there's only so much you can do in a film like that.
[13:37.250 --> 13:39.390]  Okay, getting back to legal issues.
[13:39.430 --> 13:42.090]  This is a funny one that comes out of New Zealand.
[13:42.190 --> 13:45.170]  It's not really a legal issue yet, but it certainly would be in this country.
[13:45.350 --> 13:53.150]  A man who accessed the Reserve Bank's telephone systems to find security weak spots, then billed the bank for his unsolicited services.
[13:53.150 --> 13:59.310]  And he told the Wellington District Court he was surprised when police questioned him about his actions.
[13:59.750 --> 14:01.790]  Oh, I want to move to New Zealand.
[14:03.630 --> 14:08.550]  Gerasimos Makridis, a researcher, represented himself in court before Judge Ian Mill.
[14:08.750 --> 14:16.830]  He pleaded guilty to one charge of intentionally accessing a computer system, the telephone system at the Reserve Bank, knowing he was not authorized to access that system.
[14:17.290 --> 14:22.450]  He outlined problems with the bank's telephone system, then requested payment for providing this information.
[14:22.450 --> 14:31.470]  He also contacted Telecom New Zealand and requested payment, outlining the testing he had conducted, the vulnerabilities he had found, and ways these could be fixed.
[14:31.930 --> 14:32.490]  I don't know.
[14:32.550 --> 14:33.030]  What do you think, Barney?
[14:33.110 --> 14:34.990]  Do you think this is something that we could embark upon?
[14:35.770 --> 14:37.670]  Not without going to prison in this country.
[14:38.430 --> 14:39.550]  I'm really surprised.
[14:39.910 --> 14:45.390]  It seems that New Zealand is a lot more progressive in how it handled these kinds of cases.
[14:46.370 --> 14:49.670]  We had a guest on this show, Adrian Lamo.
[14:51.410 --> 14:52.270]  Last year, was it?
[14:52.290 --> 14:53.010]  A couple years ago.
[14:53.250 --> 14:57.930]  And he did something similar with the New York Times, although he didn't demand any money at all.
[14:58.050 --> 15:15.290]  He simply pointed out to them that they had some serious security holes in their web server that allowed him to see the names of all kinds of sources they use, and reporters' incomes, and just all kinds of stuff that shouldn't be out in the open.
[15:15.450 --> 15:18.850]  And he let them know about it without letting anybody else know about it.
[15:19.290 --> 15:24.050]  And he was convicted federally on felony charges for that.
[15:24.050 --> 15:33.050]  And he wasn't trying to extort a dime out of anybody or to disseminate these holes to anyone other than the party whose system this was.
[15:33.210 --> 15:34.950]  And he didn't even bill them for his services, did he?
[15:35.310 --> 15:35.630]  No.
[15:35.810 --> 15:38.870]  And he went on house arrest.
[15:38.950 --> 15:45.870]  Now, in a more bizarre turn, they want actually to take samples of his blood for this government database, and he's protesting that.
[15:45.930 --> 15:46.550]  That's a whole other reason.
[15:46.570 --> 15:46.810]  Yeah.
[15:47.350 --> 15:48.310]  Give us your DNA.
[15:48.530 --> 15:49.730]  Just want to look at something.
[15:49.730 --> 15:57.890]  I mean, it really takes a certain sort of audacity to do work for someone unsolicited, no matter what the work is, and then bill for it.
[15:57.950 --> 15:59.770]  Well, unless you're trying to make some kind of a point.
[15:59.830 --> 16:02.390]  And this guy certainly did make this kind of a point.
[16:02.530 --> 16:03.710]  After all, we are talking about it now.
[16:03.810 --> 16:05.430]  So maybe that was the intention.
[16:05.570 --> 16:08.830]  I don't think he really expected somebody to actually pay him.
[16:08.890 --> 16:11.670]  Although there are people out there that send out bills for unsolicited services.
[16:11.830 --> 16:13.270]  They're kind of sleazy people.
[16:13.450 --> 16:18.950]  For instance, you might get a bill for a listing in some kind of directory that you never asked to be in.
[16:18.950 --> 16:23.030]  And many companies just pay these things without even asking a second question.
[16:23.590 --> 16:26.570]  I don't think that's what's happening here, but you never know.
[16:26.790 --> 16:38.270]  Anyway, he provided a report of his findings, requested payment, albeit without a contract, and for his troubles was prosecuted, did not pass the information on to others, and did not use it for personal gain.
[16:39.630 --> 16:44.550]  Basically, the judge said, in my view, his intentions were honorable.
[16:45.210 --> 16:52.250]  And he said prosecution and conviction would be out of proportion with his actions, and he discharged him without conviction.
[16:52.550 --> 16:55.330]  Yes, this fantasy land is known as New Zealand.
[16:55.330 --> 16:57.030]  It's on the other side of the globe.
[16:57.150 --> 17:00.950]  And I understand all sorts of things work in the opposite way over there.
[17:01.130 --> 17:02.330]  So it might be worth checking out.
[17:03.070 --> 17:03.830]  Oh, boy.
[17:03.830 --> 17:06.710]  Okay, getting back to more legal issues, this is just kind of fun.
[17:07.230 --> 17:13.630]  If you want to see the results of what legal cases will do, check out Google.be.
[17:13.670 --> 17:17.430]  It looks like a normal Google page until you scroll down a little bit, then you see the legal disclaimer.
[17:17.550 --> 17:22.730]  It just goes on for, I think, the equivalent of a couple more pages.
[17:22.730 --> 17:24.590]  It's in some other language.
[17:24.830 --> 17:26.930]  I tried to translate it to English, but...
[17:27.450 --> 17:29.890]  Apparently, there's some kind of case going on in Belgium.
[17:30.030 --> 17:30.950]  Anybody familiar with this?
[17:30.950 --> 17:31.910]  Yes.
[17:32.130 --> 17:32.610]  You have my agenda?
[17:32.950 --> 17:33.990]  Yeah, Google...
[17:33.990 --> 17:35.050]  Pardon me.
[17:35.290 --> 17:40.730]  Google lost the court case because they link to articles that are published in Belgium.
[17:41.170 --> 17:49.930]  And apparently, the Belgian courts, after having Google being sued by various Belgian publishers, ruled in the publishers' favor.
[17:50.170 --> 18:05.110]  Not only is Google required to not link to these various articles published in Belgium, but it's required, according to the court order, to post the fact that they lost the court order and post the court order, which Google has also refused to do.
[18:05.750 --> 18:07.350]  But obviously, they're doing something now.
[18:07.470 --> 18:09.810]  If we could figure out what these words are.
[18:09.830 --> 18:10.590]  Mike, any luck with that?
[18:10.910 --> 18:11.810]  It's all in French.
[18:12.130 --> 18:12.870]  Okay, it's in French.
[18:13.010 --> 18:14.850]  I took five years of French.
[18:15.150 --> 18:16.070]  Let me see if I can do anything.
[18:16.110 --> 18:17.630]  The first sentence, though, is in English.
[18:18.250 --> 18:18.330]  French?
[18:18.330 --> 18:19.150]  No, it's in French.
[18:20.030 --> 18:20.490]  All right.
[18:20.590 --> 18:22.150]  Well, whatever language it's in, give it to Jim.
[18:22.270 --> 18:22.510]  Maybe he'll try and figure it out.
[18:22.510 --> 18:33.530]  The first sentence is in English, which says, pursuant to a hearing of 5 September 2006, the Belgian court, a first instance sitting in Brussels, and then it says that in French, issued the following order.
[18:33.550 --> 18:35.750]  But then the rest is all in French, so who knows?
[18:35.770 --> 18:36.490]  Okay, hand it to Jim.
[18:36.590 --> 18:39.890]  Jim, by the end of the show, you all have written out an English transcript of this.
[18:40.930 --> 18:44.850]  Okay, let's move on to another story concerning ham radio.
[18:46.190 --> 18:52.890]  It turns out that Ned Carroll's amateur radio has connected him with people all over the globe, but now it's given him an experience that's out of this world.
[18:53.010 --> 18:53.310]  That's right.
[18:53.470 --> 19:03.270]  Last Thursday, Mr. Carroll spoke with the Iranian-American space tourist, with the unpronounceable name, who was aboard the International Space Station.
[19:03.650 --> 19:11.070]  The small radio inside his farmhouse west of Davidson, Saskatchewan, was tuned to the space station's frequency and picked up its signal at around noon.
[19:11.070 --> 19:15.550]  He heard a slightly accented woman's voice coming through the speakers of his ham radio.
[19:15.550 --> 19:17.670]  I heard her say, CQ, CQ, CQ.
[19:17.750 --> 19:21.150]  And, of course, that means she wants to talk to someone, anyone who is listening.
[19:22.470 --> 19:24.610]  She's up there in the space station with these other people.
[19:24.710 --> 19:25.670]  What, did they have a fight or something?
[19:25.690 --> 19:28.450]  She's on the radio and trying to talk to anybody else on the planet?
[19:28.810 --> 19:30.550]  No, but that's like a traditional thing, though.
[19:30.730 --> 19:30.910]  Mm-hmm.
[19:31.030 --> 19:37.390]  That, you know, people on the space shuttle or wherever they are in space use ham radio to communicate with people around the globe.
[19:37.390 --> 19:40.450]  What I'm wondering, though, is on the space station, do you really have time?
[19:41.110 --> 19:42.210]  Aren't you doing all sorts of...
[19:42.210 --> 19:42.570]  She's a tourist, though.
[19:42.650 --> 19:43.530]  She's not doing anything.
[19:43.670 --> 19:44.230]  I guess.
[19:44.790 --> 19:46.710]  I guess there's not that much to see once you're up there.
[19:46.810 --> 19:50.110]  So they just tell her to get out of the way and go here, play with this.
[19:51.350 --> 19:52.530]  Does she have a ham license?
[19:52.690 --> 19:54.230]  That's what I really think we need to know.
[19:54.690 --> 19:55.430]  I don't know.
[19:56.850 --> 20:00.130]  Who's airwaves are you violating if you go on without a license from space?
[20:01.010 --> 20:01.830]  That's a good question.
[20:01.870 --> 20:02.770]  Yeah, I honestly don't know.
[20:02.790 --> 20:04.550]  That's a good legal question to pursue.
[20:05.230 --> 20:09.550]  Anyway, he rushed over to his radio, grabbed the microphone, and said, VE5NED.
[20:10.250 --> 20:11.110]  Now we know his call sign.
[20:11.330 --> 20:12.970]  And anxiously awaited a response.
[20:12.970 --> 20:16.430]  He didn't have to wait long as the voice responded immediately, repeating, This is...
[20:16.430 --> 20:19.530]  Okay, who knows the call sign for the space station?
[20:20.090 --> 20:20.490]  RS0ISS.
[20:21.690 --> 20:22.490]  Very close.
[20:23.410 --> 20:23.810]  ISF.
[20:24.310 --> 20:24.710]  ISF.
[20:24.910 --> 20:26.210]  Well, that's what it says here.
[20:26.330 --> 20:29.490]  It doesn't make much sense to me, but RS0ISF.
[20:29.850 --> 20:30.910]  It says it right there.
[20:31.230 --> 20:32.150]  Could be a mistake.
[20:32.150 --> 20:34.510]  It could be a mistake, but it's kind of a stupid mistake to make.
[20:34.690 --> 20:36.430]  But then again, this is the Associated Press.
[20:37.290 --> 20:38.590]  I shouldn't bad math him so much.
[20:39.490 --> 20:40.750]  Anyway, he said he was pretty excited.
[20:40.850 --> 20:46.850]  The next thing I was so excited about was when she said, You are the first amateur radio operator that I've contacted from the International Space Station.
[20:47.150 --> 20:48.970]  And I said, Wow.
[20:51.170 --> 20:52.430]  And it goes on from there.
[20:52.510 --> 20:57.570]  But basically, it shows you, if you're in the right place at the right time, what does it take to talk to the space station?
[20:57.630 --> 20:59.770]  You just have to know the frequency and the time it's passing over.
[20:59.770 --> 21:07.350]  And these are all published things, and you can get applications that will calculate the time that the space station will be passing over your area.
[21:07.670 --> 21:12.370]  And you can do it with a very simple radio, just VHF, UHF, depending on the frequencies they're using.
[21:12.490 --> 21:14.430]  Do either you or Bernie have the frequency?
[21:14.970 --> 21:16.090]  Not off the top of my head.
[21:16.190 --> 21:16.430]  Bernie?
[21:17.250 --> 21:19.470]  Not off the top of my head, but you can just...
[21:20.330 --> 21:21.470]  It's very well published.
[21:21.850 --> 21:23.490]  You can find it in five seconds online.
[21:23.710 --> 21:24.130]  Yeah.
[21:24.430 --> 21:24.810]  Not hard.
[21:25.010 --> 21:28.930]  We tried to do this at the Hope Number Six conference.
[21:29.350 --> 21:37.050]  It just happened that when we were trying it was not the time that they were on their ham radio on the space station.
[21:37.050 --> 21:40.390]  But we tried to reach them during the pass.
[21:40.630 --> 21:43.630]  We calculated when the space station was passing over New York City.
[21:43.770 --> 21:44.010]  Uh-huh.
[21:44.250 --> 21:46.210]  And we called out to them, but it was one of those...
[21:47.110 --> 21:52.010]  They don't, like, have all the time during their whole trip to contact hands and say hi.
[21:52.230 --> 21:53.430]  Yeah, that's kind of what I figured.
[21:53.510 --> 21:58.010]  And also, if everybody knows the frequency and the time, won't you have a thousand people saying hello at the same time?
[21:58.010 --> 21:59.470]  How do you possibly respond to them?
[21:59.730 --> 22:01.130]  It's sort of a specialized thing.
[22:01.270 --> 22:07.090]  Certain people are interested in trying to contact the space station and use satellite repeaters and stuff like that.
[22:07.130 --> 22:09.790]  And a lot of people aren't really into that at all.
[22:09.910 --> 22:14.030]  You sort of have to have the right equipment as far as the antennas go.
[22:14.150 --> 22:18.610]  You have to have relatively directional antennas that you have pointed at the space station while you're doing it.
[22:18.730 --> 22:20.790]  But, I mean, it doesn't take a lot.
[22:21.190 --> 22:23.270]  Just a lot of people aren't really interested in it.
[22:23.510 --> 22:23.850]  So...
[22:23.850 --> 22:24.090]  Okay.
[22:24.330 --> 22:25.670]  Now, Jim, you have something.
[22:25.670 --> 22:28.350]  Now, we don't want the translation of the whole thing because it goes on for a very long time.
[22:28.430 --> 22:29.550]  You get the gist of it.
[22:29.550 --> 22:29.770]  Okay.
[22:29.770 --> 22:36.150]  First of all, this is very small parts of, apparently, the actual lawsuit.
[22:36.730 --> 22:39.030]  It lists who's suing...
[22:39.030 --> 22:39.830]  Excuse me.
[22:41.090 --> 22:42.390]  Why they're suing Google.
[22:42.650 --> 22:45.410]  Essentially, because they've cached all this stuff.
[22:45.630 --> 22:47.330]  Why they have grounds to sue.
[22:47.430 --> 22:57.150]  Because the authors of this stuff signed away the rights to these various publishing companies for all forms, paper and electronics, of these articles and other things.
[22:57.350 --> 23:04.730]  And it essentially goes on to describe exactly what caching is, what Google does, and so far.
[23:04.790 --> 23:07.050]  This is a very incomplete part of the lawsuit.
[23:07.650 --> 23:07.970]  Okay.
[23:08.250 --> 23:12.430]  Interestingly enough, however, they're suing for 2 million euros for each instance.
[23:13.270 --> 23:13.910]  Interesting.
[23:13.910 --> 23:18.830]  So, basically, this is all about somebody linking to a news article?
[23:18.890 --> 23:19.490]  Was it a news article?
[23:19.710 --> 23:20.350]  Apparently, yeah.
[23:20.490 --> 23:23.970]  News articles, editorials, whatever you would find in a newspaper.
[23:25.150 --> 23:30.310]  Interestingly enough, it's Belgian newspapers in Flemish, German, and French.
[23:30.430 --> 23:34.390]  Because it does tremendous damage when Google links to a news story and people actually read it, doesn't it?
[23:35.670 --> 23:48.670]  The interesting thing about this, I would say, first quarter of the lawsuit is that they go a long distance to insist that it's because Google caches the article as well as linking to it.
[23:49.310 --> 23:49.570]  Okay.
[23:49.730 --> 23:50.850]  Well, interesting.
[23:50.850 --> 23:56.010]  If you want to read whatever is on that site, it just looks kind of funny.
[23:56.090 --> 23:58.030]  Google.be, the Belgian Google.
[23:58.890 --> 23:59.370]  Okay.
[23:59.870 --> 24:00.710]  MTA issues.
[24:00.810 --> 24:01.750]  This is kind of interesting, Jim.
[24:01.750 --> 24:04.650]  The MTA is said to be ready to test a laser system.
[24:05.290 --> 24:05.770]  What?
[24:05.770 --> 24:06.170]  Yes, it's true.
[24:06.630 --> 24:12.150]  A laser system designed to detect and destroy trespassers in subway tunnels.
[24:12.870 --> 24:14.190]  Well, detect them anyway.
[24:14.470 --> 24:15.630]  We'll figure out what to do with them afterwards.
[24:16.210 --> 24:25.770]  Published reports say the Transit Authority has already installed one of the devices at the end of one tunnel and offering a $25,000 reward for the first person to find it.
[24:26.770 --> 24:26.950]  No?
[24:26.950 --> 24:27.350]  No.
[24:27.490 --> 24:34.270]  Actually, they're going to award more than $27,000 to a company to install one on the other side of the tunnel.
[24:34.890 --> 24:36.310]  So this is what they're up to.
[24:37.050 --> 24:42.930]  Once that's done, tests will be taken to see whether the lasers are effective enough to justify expansion system-wide.
[24:43.830 --> 24:47.250]  This seems like a case to me where we should just let Darwinism take care of the problem.
[24:47.810 --> 24:49.630]  What, have people run over by trains who are trespassing?
[24:49.670 --> 24:50.690]  If they're in the...
[24:50.690 --> 24:52.490]  You know what kinds of delays that causes?
[24:52.490 --> 24:53.410]  Yeah, you're right.
[24:53.410 --> 24:56.010]  That's the sick passenger thing that they talk about every now and then.
[24:56.210 --> 24:59.050]  Okay, something else rather interesting that has just happened.
[24:59.250 --> 25:02.750]  Seems that San Jose University is banning Skype.
[25:02.910 --> 25:03.570]  Have you heard about this?
[25:03.930 --> 25:11.630]  Apparently, Skype is taking up so much bandwidth that various universities are getting kind of upset by it and are actually banning it.
[25:11.630 --> 25:26.410]  In a memo, they say that Skype and other applications use grid computing-like networking capabilities and they're to be banned, but VoIP applications such as Gizmo or Wingo are still permitted for use.
[25:26.730 --> 25:39.250]  The memo also states that Skype's EULA is far too broad, requiring users to grant Skype general usage rights to the entire network, something that end users do not have the right to do as it is not their network.
[25:40.310 --> 25:43.630]  So I guess they're being accused of being bandwidth hogs, among other things.
[25:43.810 --> 25:44.570]  They are, it's true.
[25:45.150 --> 25:47.850]  So this could have, I guess, a bad effect.
[25:47.990 --> 26:07.670]  I think it's important to clarify for folks who may not be obvious, the thing that is offending the university is not so much the people talking to each other with Skype, but that in certain circumstances, one Skype node can sort of be relaying calls for other people and taking up a whole lot of bandwidth that the person whose computer it is may not even know about.
[26:07.830 --> 26:09.950]  And that's what seems to be causing the problem.
[26:10.130 --> 26:15.190]  Another problem is that Skype automatically launches itself upon boot in many systems.
[26:15.190 --> 26:22.430]  And therefore, every user who has this installed may not even be using it to make calls, yet still relaying traffic for other people.
[26:22.570 --> 26:26.910]  So if you have a lot of Skype users on your network, it's probably going to hog most of your bandwidth.
[26:27.670 --> 26:30.670]  And, well, if you're not using it, though, it's not hogging bandwidth.
[26:30.790 --> 26:35.670]  Yeah, well, if the application is running, which is usually the case, then, yeah, it will.
[26:36.210 --> 26:36.590]  Interesting.
[26:37.570 --> 26:41.850]  Okay, I had rather an unpleasant experience with T-Mobile.
[26:42.390 --> 26:42.790]  No.
[26:43.030 --> 26:43.270]  Yeah.
[26:43.470 --> 26:43.830]  Couldn't be.
[26:43.970 --> 26:44.410]  It happens.
[26:46.730 --> 26:47.650]  I've mentioned this before.
[26:47.770 --> 26:52.030]  I keep getting these text messages from something known as Blinko.
[26:52.250 --> 26:58.270]  At first, I thought they were calling me Blinko for some reason, because it just says, Blinko, great deal on this particular item.
[26:58.630 --> 27:02.070]  And I'm like, you know, I've never gotten spam on any cell phone before.
[27:02.190 --> 27:03.750]  And now, all of a sudden, I'm getting this.
[27:04.130 --> 27:06.010]  And I just haven't been going through my bill.
[27:06.150 --> 27:09.490]  And I advise everybody, please go through your bills, because this is important.
[27:09.490 --> 27:15.270]  And right there on the last page, in a little section called Premium Services, guess what?
[27:15.310 --> 27:18.030]  A charge from Blinko for $9.99.
[27:18.690 --> 27:20.610]  And I called them up.
[27:20.710 --> 27:24.570]  And I called T-Mobile up, and I asked, what is this Blinko?
[27:24.610 --> 27:25.690]  What's it doing on my phone bill?
[27:25.950 --> 27:32.570]  And they said, oh, yes, that's like distinctive rings or downloading some various games or something like that.
[27:33.450 --> 27:36.470]  And I don't even get signal where I live.
[27:36.590 --> 27:38.450]  So I know I didn't download anything.
[27:38.530 --> 27:40.770]  I know my phone isn't capable of downloading very many things.
[27:40.890 --> 27:42.030]  It's a rather primitive phone.
[27:42.690 --> 27:47.310]  What happened was, somehow, these guys were able to send me a message and bill me at the same time.
[27:47.650 --> 27:50.730]  So I was able to get them blacklisted from sending me messages in the future.
[27:50.730 --> 27:54.510]  But I talked to at least one other person who had the same thing happen to them.
[27:54.610 --> 27:58.150]  So please, T-Mobile customers, look at your phone bill and look for Blinko.
[27:58.250 --> 28:03.750]  And if you haven't gotten anything from them, you might also want to go on the web and look up Blinko and see all the complaints.
[28:04.310 --> 28:05.850]  It's pretty frightening.
[28:06.830 --> 28:07.130]  Okay.
[28:07.850 --> 28:10.950]  We'll be taking phone calls, 212-209-2900.
[28:11.490 --> 28:13.530]  And what do you got there, Mike?
[28:13.710 --> 28:17.190]  This is a chart from the Transportation Security Administration.
[28:17.410 --> 28:21.190]  It's entitled Bag and Zip for the Short Trip.
[28:22.230 --> 28:22.830]  Okay.
[28:23.050 --> 28:24.550]  And it's a three-step process.
[28:25.530 --> 28:30.230]  One, you collect small, travel-sized toiletries, three ounces or less.
[28:30.230 --> 28:37.250]  In step two, you get one, quart-sized or less, clear plastic, zip-top bag.
[28:37.850 --> 28:43.570]  And in step three, your items from step one must fit comfortably in the bag from step two.
[28:43.930 --> 28:46.430]  And apparently, you can then bring this on the plane.
[28:49.190 --> 28:51.350]  My questions are endless, okay?
[28:51.350 --> 28:54.430]  First of all, I don't buy three ounces of toothpaste.
[28:54.690 --> 28:56.350]  They come in six or seven ounces.
[28:56.410 --> 28:58.470]  That's why you have to get the travel-sized toiletries.
[28:58.470 --> 29:00.590]  It's clearly stated in step one.
[29:00.870 --> 29:05.090]  What if I've obviously used this toothpaste and there's, like, one ounce remaining?
[29:05.270 --> 29:06.410]  Can I then bring it on?
[29:06.530 --> 29:07.270]  I don't think so.
[29:07.510 --> 29:08.170]  That's unfair.
[29:08.190 --> 29:09.670]  It's not stated, but I don't think so.
[29:09.730 --> 29:11.830]  What if I don't have a quart plastic bag?
[29:11.830 --> 29:14.650]  It's a gallon bag, but I only have, like, one thing in it.
[29:14.730 --> 29:15.270]  Oh, no, no, no, no.
[29:15.270 --> 29:19.210]  It would definitely fit in a quart bag, but I don't have a quart bag, okay?
[29:19.430 --> 29:20.630]  It's empty air.
[29:20.810 --> 29:24.270]  Are they going to, like, say, no, that air could be explosive?
[29:24.470 --> 29:25.810]  You can't take it with you?
[29:26.530 --> 29:27.590]  Apparently, you can't.
[29:27.590 --> 29:29.270]  I have all kinds of pictures.
[29:29.410 --> 29:29.890]  Here's a picture.
[29:30.270 --> 29:31.290]  I've seen these pictures.
[29:31.630 --> 29:32.750]  These pictures are scary.
[29:33.130 --> 29:39.190]  There's also, if you go on the TSA's website, there's also videos of people putting things in plastic bags.
[29:40.170 --> 29:41.950]  They really went all out to explain.
[29:42.570 --> 29:43.030]  And music.
[29:43.830 --> 29:44.650]  Music, too, eh?
[29:44.870 --> 29:45.030]  Yeah.
[29:45.030 --> 29:46.730]  I'm surprised they have KY in the picture.
[29:47.630 --> 29:48.190]  Yeah.
[29:48.550 --> 29:48.590]  Yeah.
[29:48.590 --> 29:49.030]  Well, okay.
[29:50.090 --> 29:50.650]  Interesting.
[29:51.130 --> 29:54.130]  Our phone number again, 212-209-2900.
[29:54.310 --> 30:03.230]  And you can write to us, OTH at 2600.com, for all sorts of reader input or listener input.
[30:03.410 --> 30:04.490]  We have this.
[30:05.510 --> 30:07.610]  This is an interesting bit of mail.
[30:07.610 --> 30:16.030]  Well, on past shows, you've commented about the scheme imposed not too long ago to collect royalties from music transmitted via internet audio streams.
[30:16.230 --> 30:28.370]  I thought you'd be interested to know that the entity that collects these fees, known as SoundExchange, has a large list of artists they claim to have been unable to locate, but in whose name they have nevertheless collected royalties.
[30:28.590 --> 30:41.730]  Worse yet, as of December 15, 2006, all artists still on the unregistered list will forfeit any royalties collected for use of their music up until March 31, 2000, and SoundExchange will keep the money.
[30:42.030 --> 30:50.830]  Now, the artist list is available at this tiny URL site, tinyurl.com slash J5YWU.
[30:52.270 --> 30:53.070]  It's J5YWU.
[30:53.410 --> 30:55.050]  And there were some surprising names on it.
[30:55.270 --> 30:57.870]  They couldn't find NRBQ or Ace Freely of Kiss.
[30:58.010 --> 30:59.330]  They can't have tried very hard.
[31:00.310 --> 31:08.470]  SoundExchange started out as part of the RIAA, so while their inability to locate RIAA musicians is unexpected, their unabashed greed is not.
[31:08.650 --> 31:11.830]  I encourage your listeners to review the list and contact any listees they can.
[31:12.050 --> 31:13.650]  And folks, I made a big mistake here.
[31:13.710 --> 31:15.170]  Thanks very much to that listener for sending this in.
[31:15.710 --> 31:20.290]  I made a mistake because I wanted to bring in a part of the list.
[31:20.590 --> 31:23.810]  And when I brought this up, it didn't look that big.
[31:24.330 --> 31:26.610]  And I started printing and I left the room.
[31:26.710 --> 31:28.870]  When I got back, look at this.
[31:29.370 --> 31:30.370]  That's what it sounds like.
[31:30.430 --> 31:31.250]  I'll throw it across the room.
[31:32.190 --> 31:33.410]  They should have let it hit the table.
[31:33.490 --> 31:34.090]  That was the whole point.
[31:34.230 --> 31:35.230]  You would have killed them.
[31:36.270 --> 31:43.130]  It's almost too obvious to say that SoundExchange has a huge incentive to not find people.
[31:43.130 --> 31:43.550]  Yeah.
[31:43.750 --> 31:48.150]  Well, the point is, I'm sorry for wasting paper, but we do have this list here, so...
[31:48.150 --> 31:48.890]  This is pretty bad.
[31:49.090 --> 31:50.170]  That must be 100 pages.
[31:50.490 --> 31:51.470]  It's 176 pages.
[31:51.470 --> 31:52.550]  It's almost 200 pages, actually.
[31:52.790 --> 31:55.130]  And that's what I get for refilling the printer right before I leave the room.
[31:55.870 --> 31:59.250]  So yeah, if you see any band on there that we know...
[31:59.850 --> 32:02.670]  In fact, the outro for today happens to be on there.
[32:02.750 --> 32:03.150]  I checked.
[32:03.830 --> 32:10.070]  Well, if you're the lucky band that plays the outro for today, then you have some money coming to you from SoundExchange.
[32:10.070 --> 32:13.290]  Now, you can go to SoundExchange, too.
[32:13.390 --> 32:15.050]  I think it's SoundExchange.com.
[32:15.250 --> 32:23.010]  And they have all sorts of interesting facts about their way of doing things.
[32:24.330 --> 32:26.950]  What happens if there's more than one band with the same name?
[32:28.290 --> 32:29.630]  They worked that out in advance.
[32:29.750 --> 32:36.890]  But basically, one of the questions in the Frequently Asked Questions section is, as my song is in the database, why haven't I been paid?
[32:37.490 --> 32:39.430]  SoundExchange distributes on a periodic basis.
[32:39.430 --> 32:47.810]  If you have not registered with SoundExchange, it is possible that we do not have any payee information for your account and therefore cannot pay you.
[32:47.950 --> 32:53.050]  Please register with SoundExchange here or contact our membership department with further questions.
[32:53.570 --> 32:59.350]  So, yeah, if you're a musician, I guess you have to register with them if you want to get any money.
[32:59.630 --> 33:05.970]  Well, if you're a fan of any of these bands, even if you don't know where to contact them, contact SoundExchange and give them a piece of your mind.
[33:06.170 --> 33:06.530]  All right?
[33:06.610 --> 33:07.250]  This is ridiculous.
[33:07.250 --> 33:19.770]  This is the type of thing that they excoriated years ago when white producers would put their names on as songwriters for black artists in groups and take large chunks of their royalties.
[33:19.830 --> 33:22.430]  And there were big lawsuits in the...
[33:23.030 --> 33:24.210]  Sorry, I dropped the whole list.
[33:24.250 --> 33:26.150]  You're gonna kill somebody if you keep passing that around.
[33:26.330 --> 33:27.770]  You know, that might make a good point.
[33:27.890 --> 33:34.770]  If I did whack somebody over the head with this thing and then later on in the papers it was revealed that that was the list of unpaid artists, people would say, hey, that's a big list.
[33:34.770 --> 33:37.270]  It's important, but is it worth the human life?
[33:37.590 --> 33:37.990]  Depends.
[33:38.130 --> 33:38.910]  Depends who the human is.
[33:40.150 --> 33:40.950]  Email SoundExchange.
[33:41.050 --> 33:41.990]  Give them a piece of your mind.
[33:42.170 --> 33:43.110]  This is outrageous.
[33:43.850 --> 33:48.250]  Yeah, and just to give you an idea here, let's go to the G's.
[33:49.090 --> 33:50.170]  Georgia Mass Choir.
[33:50.290 --> 33:51.130]  Georgia Satellites.
[33:51.570 --> 33:53.190]  Georgie Uld and his orchestra.
[33:53.370 --> 33:54.090]  Georgie Fame.
[33:55.810 --> 33:57.270]  That's just a whole bunch of Georgies.
[33:57.370 --> 33:57.790]  How about Jimmy?
[33:58.410 --> 33:58.950]  Jimmy Bowen.
[33:59.030 --> 33:59.810]  Jimmy Logsdon.
[33:59.890 --> 34:01.090]  Jimmy Lucifer and his orchestra.
[34:01.330 --> 34:01.830]  Jimmy Noon.
[34:01.890 --> 34:03.370]  Jimmy Wood and the Imperial Clowns.
[34:03.370 --> 34:03.970]  Jimmy Boyd.
[34:04.750 --> 34:05.670]  This is unbelievable.
[34:05.970 --> 34:08.970]  You could basically build an entire record library just with...
[34:09.990 --> 34:13.050]  I looked at Beatles thinking maybe they didn't catch them, but no, they're not in there.
[34:13.130 --> 34:14.350]  So apparently the Beatles have been paid.
[34:14.850 --> 34:15.370]  That's good.
[34:15.530 --> 34:16.370]  That's a relief.
[34:16.590 --> 34:18.070]  Considering they're half-dead.
[34:18.230 --> 34:18.510]  Rolling Stones.
[34:18.590 --> 34:19.310]  Why don't you look, Jim?
[34:19.730 --> 34:20.230]  Be careful.
[34:20.370 --> 34:21.470]  I'll look for some big groups.
[34:21.670 --> 34:24.170]  Put it back in the binder when you're done.
[34:25.330 --> 34:25.690]  Okay.
[34:25.750 --> 34:27.230]  Some other letters from our listeners.
[34:27.330 --> 34:28.650]  OTH at 2600.com.
[34:28.790 --> 34:30.130]  We'll be taking phone calls in just a couple of minutes.
[34:31.010 --> 34:31.670]  Just a question.
[34:31.830 --> 34:37.470]  Why does it take so long to post your shows at night on www.2600.com slash off the hook?
[34:37.830 --> 34:39.910]  I mean, do you go through a lot of editing or what?
[34:39.990 --> 34:44.450]  Of course, when I get to listen to it, it's usually at work the next day on my iPod, but as always, I enjoy it.
[34:44.790 --> 34:45.470]  Keep up the good work.
[34:45.570 --> 34:47.130]  Signed, Matthew in Columbus, Ohio.
[34:47.330 --> 34:49.330]  You know, all of our listeners are either Matt or Mike.
[34:49.590 --> 34:50.170]  Have you noticed that?
[34:50.330 --> 34:51.530]  And they're from all over the world.
[34:51.930 --> 34:52.650]  Am I right, Walter?
[34:52.650 --> 34:53.150]  Absolutely.
[34:53.530 --> 34:53.650]  Yeah.
[34:53.950 --> 34:55.950]  And Mike is actually here in the studio.
[34:56.230 --> 34:56.290]  That's not true.
[34:56.290 --> 34:56.950]  It's very confusing.
[34:57.110 --> 34:57.650]  No, it is true.
[34:57.850 --> 34:58.230]  It's true.
[34:58.390 --> 34:59.610]  Sometimes I'm a listener, too.
[35:00.070 --> 35:15.810]  Anyway, to answer this Matt's question, yes, actually, we do not editing so much, but just basically what Junst does is he makes the beginning and the end sound somewhat civilized so that it doesn't just come in at the beginning and chop off at the end.
[35:15.910 --> 35:16.990]  There's a fade in and a fade out.
[35:17.570 --> 35:23.830]  If you want to hear what it could sound like, listen to the shows that he doesn't do that for, like off the wall, for instance, and it's a lot more barbaric.
[35:24.590 --> 35:29.310]  But usually it's up within a couple of hours, which is much, much better than it was years ago.
[35:29.490 --> 35:30.970]  Years ago, it would take days sometimes.
[35:32.010 --> 35:32.650]  So, yeah.
[35:32.890 --> 35:33.770]  Thanks for the question, though.
[35:34.630 --> 35:36.510]  Guys, I caught the tail end of your show last night.
[35:36.570 --> 35:44.190]  And with regards to what you said about putting an RFID-equipped passport in the microwave for one second to destroy the chip, does the same thing work with credit cards?
[35:44.310 --> 35:46.630]  I have a few cards with the chip and I want to destroy them.
[35:46.730 --> 35:49.270]  The chips, not the cards, although I might be better off destroying both.
[35:49.270 --> 35:54.430]  I'm not worried about whether it's illegal or not, because it's illegal what the scum in Washington is doing to the Constitution.
[35:54.550 --> 35:56.170]  So it evens things out, in my opinion.
[35:56.430 --> 35:56.790]  All right.
[35:57.010 --> 35:57.370]  All right.
[35:57.610 --> 35:58.250]  Sit down again.
[35:59.830 --> 36:01.870]  And yes, and that's from Mike, by the way.
[36:02.050 --> 36:03.890]  So thank you, Mike, for sending that in.
[36:04.310 --> 36:05.090]  Not me, though.
[36:05.450 --> 36:09.650]  Yes, the answer to that question is it will work with the RFID-equipped credit cards as well.
[36:09.790 --> 36:20.710]  And what basically happens is when you put something like this into the microwave, the RF voltage that's induced across the antenna leads actually arcs across the chip, and that's what destroys it.
[36:21.070 --> 36:22.590]  And you can notice the same thing.
[36:22.730 --> 36:29.190]  If you've ever accidentally put tin foil or aluminum foil into the microwave or left a fork in there, you'll notice it starts arcing across.
[36:29.370 --> 36:29.450]  Great fun.
[36:29.450 --> 36:29.690]  Yeah, it's amazing.
[36:29.830 --> 36:34.790]  So that's what basically happens across the chip, and essentially it just fries it.
[36:34.790 --> 36:35.390]  Well, I can understand.
[36:35.410 --> 36:40.370]  When you get Chinese takeout, they always give you that little bucket, like a white bucket with the metal thing.
[36:40.370 --> 36:41.390]  With the metal handle, yeah.
[36:41.550 --> 36:41.830]  Why?
[36:42.010 --> 36:43.650]  And after all this time, do we still have...
[36:43.650 --> 36:48.470]  I mean, we make things so much easier, you have to sort of dissect it if you want to use the same container and put it in the microwave.
[36:48.650 --> 36:50.070]  Because everybody puts it in the microwave.
[36:50.230 --> 36:50.370]  Right.
[36:51.030 --> 36:51.570]  All right.
[36:51.770 --> 36:55.310]  Dear Off the Hook, I'm an American who hates all this RFID stuff.
[36:55.870 --> 36:57.030]  I dislike George W.
[36:57.170 --> 36:57.570]  Bush also.
[36:57.710 --> 36:59.870]  I didn't know the two were hand in hand.
[37:00.010 --> 37:01.270]  He probably doesn't know what RFID is.
[37:01.810 --> 37:04.230]  My question to you and all the others is this.
[37:04.330 --> 37:07.030]  I have never had a passport, and I have never had a need to get one.
[37:07.570 --> 37:11.410]  Should I apply for and get a passport now before they start issuing the new RFID passports?
[37:11.830 --> 37:14.790]  Or should I just worry about getting a passport if ever the need for one arises?
[37:15.130 --> 37:15.450]  Anonymous.
[37:15.750 --> 37:17.190]  Why would you want to leave this country?
[37:17.350 --> 37:19.470]  Well, first of all, anonymous, you're too late.
[37:19.530 --> 37:20.510]  They are already issuing them.
[37:21.110 --> 37:21.430]  Right?
[37:21.430 --> 37:22.110]  Not in the whole country.
[37:22.230 --> 37:22.670]  Not in the whole country.
[37:22.730 --> 37:24.710]  How do you know where they're issuing them or where they're not issuing them?
[37:24.770 --> 37:25.310]  I don't know.
[37:25.370 --> 37:27.250]  We could research that, but they're not...
[37:27.250 --> 37:32.130]  All of the new passports being issued are not all equipped with RFID chips.
[37:32.350 --> 37:35.970]  Some of them are, and probably by sometime next year, all of them will be.
[37:36.070 --> 37:40.090]  So you have a limited window of opportunity to try to get one without a chip now.
[37:40.310 --> 37:45.390]  Well, now, when we say some places have them and some places don't, I don't think we break it down to every...
[37:45.390 --> 37:47.190]  This particular post office does, this one doesn't.
[37:47.190 --> 37:50.510]  There are certain centers for passport applications, right?
[37:51.210 --> 37:51.570]  Yes.
[37:51.870 --> 37:54.070]  And I don't think the U.S.
[37:54.390 --> 37:56.470]  Customs, or State Department, U.S.
[37:56.530 --> 38:02.490]  State Department, I don't think they're that frank about where you can go to get one without the chip.
[38:02.630 --> 38:07.810]  No, but if we simply look at our passports, we can say how many different places there are that issue them.
[38:07.890 --> 38:12.130]  Sort of similar to, if you look at a dollar bill, there are only a limited number of places that issue the dollar bill.
[38:12.210 --> 38:13.510]  New York, Philadelphia, Washington.
[38:14.050 --> 38:16.390]  So I know my passport says New York on it.
[38:16.570 --> 38:18.090]  Does anybody here have a passport that says something different?
[38:18.090 --> 38:18.990]  I think mine says Philadelphia.
[38:19.330 --> 38:19.890]  Yours says Philadelphia.
[38:20.510 --> 38:20.910]  I don't know.
[38:21.010 --> 38:21.910]  I think it does, though.
[38:22.230 --> 38:24.570]  Well, you live in New Jersey, so maybe Jersey people go through Philadelphia?
[38:25.370 --> 38:27.510]  Well, I imagine yours says Philadelphia, right, Bernie?
[38:27.970 --> 38:28.230]  Yes.
[38:28.490 --> 38:28.690]  Okay.
[38:28.850 --> 38:37.390]  So we know New York and Philadelphia have passport centers, so maybe people can help us and we can learn where all the other ones are, and maybe the wreck people.
[38:37.490 --> 38:39.270]  But do you have to go to the one where you live?
[38:39.390 --> 38:40.350]  Can you go someplace else?
[38:41.610 --> 38:42.050]  Why not?
[38:42.170 --> 38:42.230]  Yes, I can.
[38:42.590 --> 38:43.090]  You can.
[38:43.210 --> 38:43.990]  Jim, you know this for a fact.
[38:44.130 --> 38:48.390]  Yes, I have a former significant other who did that.
[38:48.590 --> 38:48.910]  Okay.
[38:48.910 --> 38:49.470]  All right.
[38:49.850 --> 38:50.530]  Well, then.
[38:50.690 --> 38:54.090]  To answer the letter writer's question, you should get one and go somewhere.
[38:54.590 --> 38:54.930]  Yeah.
[38:55.090 --> 38:57.450]  And you will need one to go to Canada now.
[38:58.370 --> 38:59.490]  They're requiring them.
[39:00.110 --> 39:03.950]  And eventually, we'll all be required to have papers on us at all times.
[39:05.630 --> 39:06.030]  Yes.
[39:06.770 --> 39:07.170]  Okay.
[39:07.350 --> 39:10.450]  Is there a way to tell by looking at the passport whether it's RFID or not?
[39:10.810 --> 39:15.390]  I imagine there would be something in there that would give a clue, right, Redbird?
[39:15.550 --> 39:17.750]  You can test it with an RFID reader.
[39:17.910 --> 39:21.670]  You can probably see the antenna in it.
[39:21.670 --> 39:26.030]  What I usually do to check credit cards and stuff like that is just shine a very bright light behind it.
[39:26.130 --> 39:26.270]  Uh-huh.
[39:26.270 --> 39:27.630]  And you can usually see the antenna.
[39:28.330 --> 39:28.830]  Uh-huh.
[39:28.830 --> 39:29.570]  How about a black light?
[39:29.650 --> 39:30.450]  Where the black light showed up?
[39:30.730 --> 39:31.050]  No.
[39:31.390 --> 39:31.510]  No?
[39:32.370 --> 39:33.870]  You have to really shine it through the card.
[39:33.870 --> 39:34.870]  So it has to be a bright light.
[39:35.210 --> 39:35.430]  Okay.
[39:35.590 --> 39:39.190]  But putting it in a microwave will destroy it and it will also subject you to all kinds of penalties.
[39:40.450 --> 39:40.850]  Okay.
[39:40.930 --> 39:41.890]  Greetings from Sydney, Australia.
[39:41.890 --> 39:48.730]  I heard on your podcast that you were chatting about getting info about yourself from someone who has it, like an ATM photo of yourself, for example.
[39:48.930 --> 39:56.490]  I thought you'd like to know that in Australia, it's federal law that a company must give you any and all information it has on you that is personally identifiable on demand.
[39:57.050 --> 39:59.570]  Also, you can require them to destroy records held on you.
[39:59.650 --> 40:03.710]  There are some exceptions like credit reporting agencies and such, but it's pretty well enforced.
[40:04.150 --> 40:06.090]  Signed, Jordy, from Sydney.
[40:06.090 --> 40:09.070]  A network engineer who listens to us, thank you very much for that information.
[40:10.470 --> 40:13.230]  Dear Off The Hook, I'm a weekly listener of your radio shows.
[40:13.230 --> 40:14.610]  I also like to listen to the old stuff.
[40:14.930 --> 40:17.790]  I enjoyed your trip around the world without using an airplane.
[40:18.030 --> 40:19.250]  That's the trip I took last year.
[40:19.590 --> 40:22.350]  I'm interested in the security you encountered while traveling.
[40:22.450 --> 40:25.370]  When you traveled around the globe, did you have to go through many security stops?
[40:26.530 --> 40:27.290]  Good question.
[40:27.550 --> 40:29.370]  And that was signed by Brain.
[40:29.630 --> 40:34.950]  I think you might have had a typo on your own name because the email address says Brian and you sign it Brain, but who knows?
[40:35.570 --> 40:36.630]  Yeah, there were some.
[40:36.850 --> 40:40.270]  Like, for instance, going into Japan, there was a pretty rigorous security check from China.
[40:40.690 --> 40:42.910]  But there are other places where...
[40:42.910 --> 40:47.050]  No, there was almost no security at all in very many places.
[40:47.250 --> 40:54.750]  And by security, I just mean the ridiculous security where your bags get searched and where you asked all kinds of questions.
[40:54.890 --> 40:56.570]  You're obviously just going from one place to another.
[40:56.570 --> 41:06.910]  Of course, whenever you go into a country, you generally have to show a paper of some sort at the very least, but not necessarily having to get searched each and every time.
[41:06.910 --> 41:09.130]  That's something that I was relieved about.
[41:09.390 --> 41:19.810]  I was also rather surprised when I got on the QM2, which was the first leg of the journey right out of New York, that the security was really a lot more relaxed, so much more relaxed than at an airport.
[41:19.810 --> 41:26.010]  And I was just wondering, how come the rich people get to be all relaxed and cordial with everybody?
[41:26.010 --> 41:28.970]  Whereas in the airport, we're treated like cattle and suspects.
[41:29.550 --> 41:32.730]  Why can't we have the same relaxed atmosphere everywhere?
[41:33.690 --> 41:36.770]  Do we have to pay for it to get this?
[41:36.950 --> 41:40.870]  Because it's hard with three ounces of liquid to sink the QM2.
[41:40.870 --> 41:43.330]  It's not that hard to sink an airplane with three ounces.
[41:43.950 --> 41:45.130]  Actually, I think it is.
[41:45.170 --> 41:47.390]  I saw something on the internet about this.
[41:47.390 --> 41:49.610]  It's not that that's the gospel.
[41:50.210 --> 41:58.630]  But in order to do something with liquid explosives on an airplane, you pretty much need to have a chemistry lab set up in the bathroom and hope that nobody notices in the hour or so that you're in there preparing.
[41:59.550 --> 42:03.270]  If anybody has information otherwise, please let us know and we'll forward it to the authorities.
[42:04.190 --> 42:08.570]  Anyway, I believe it is Mike who doesn't like the word podcast, right?
[42:08.790 --> 42:13.310]  Well, if Apple gets their way, they could start legally preventing people from using the term.
[42:13.310 --> 42:16.210]  That bit of information comes from Mr. E.
[42:16.730 --> 42:18.510]  And here's a letter from Matt.
[42:18.810 --> 42:19.990]  I love the show.
[42:20.650 --> 42:24.590]  Lately, when riding the subway here in Chicago, there are advertisements that state U.S.
[42:24.670 --> 42:27.490]  cellular cell phones can now be used in the subway.
[42:27.750 --> 42:33.370]  It seems the CTA, Chicago Transit Authority, great album they put out in the early 70s.
[42:34.150 --> 42:35.430]  Well, they're multifaceted.
[42:35.570 --> 42:36.850]  They run trains and they do music.
[42:37.090 --> 42:38.150]  I don't know how they do it, but they do.
[42:38.750 --> 42:40.030]  The CTA gave U.S.
[42:40.070 --> 42:44.250]  cellular exclusive rights to build an underground cellular network for the Chicago subway system.
[42:44.630 --> 42:46.810]  Now, this would be extremely annoying if there were many U.S.
[42:46.870 --> 42:48.210]  cellular customers, but there are not.
[42:48.310 --> 42:50.810]  I have yet to see someone talking on a cell phone in the subway.
[42:51.090 --> 42:54.850]  However, it's interesting to note that my T-Mobile phone does not pick up a signal to roam on.
[42:54.950 --> 42:55.830]  Is it possible for U.S.
[42:55.850 --> 42:59.290]  cellular to selectively block phone traffic from certain receivers?
[43:00.770 --> 43:01.490]  Interesting question.
[43:01.610 --> 43:02.350]  First of all, is U.S.
[43:02.370 --> 43:03.750]  cellular even a GSM company?
[43:03.890 --> 43:04.930]  Has anybody ever heard of them before?
[43:05.590 --> 43:06.090]  They're not.
[43:06.270 --> 43:06.550]  They're not?
[43:06.830 --> 43:08.250]  They're a CDMA carrier.
[43:08.390 --> 43:10.130]  Okay, well that explains why he's not seeing a signal then.
[43:10.170 --> 43:16.710]  Because I believe if you have a GSM company and you choose not to allow anybody to roam, you'll still see the signal, right?
[43:17.270 --> 43:17.630]  No.
[43:18.010 --> 43:19.050]  You won't even see the signal?
[43:19.450 --> 43:19.810]  No.
[43:19.970 --> 43:21.210]  It's a totally different protocol.
[43:21.670 --> 43:27.690]  No, I'm talking about if there is a GSM company that decides that this other GSM company is not going to roam on our network.
[43:27.690 --> 43:28.410]  Oh yeah, then you will.
[43:28.410 --> 43:33.050]  Yeah, but a CDMA phone will not see a GSM system or vice versa.
[43:33.170 --> 43:36.430]  Right, so now what other CDMA carriers do we have in this country?
[43:37.270 --> 43:39.890]  Sprint and Verizon and some smaller ones.
[43:39.990 --> 43:42.370]  Okay, so perhaps there's a roaming agreement with those companies.
[43:43.010 --> 43:46.950]  That may work, but if you're in the same market as U.S.
[43:46.950 --> 43:57.690]  Cellular, like if you have a Verizon or a Sprint phone and you're in Chicago and they're Chicago numbers, they probably won't work because carriers generally don't have roaming agreements within the same market.
[43:58.030 --> 44:05.430]  But if you're a Sprint or a Verizon subscriber from outside of Chicago and your carrier, Sprint or Verizon has a roaming agreement with U.S.
[44:05.470 --> 44:08.010]  Cellular, it'll probably work in their subway.
[44:08.010 --> 44:10.030]  Yeah, I've really never heard of this company before.
[44:10.290 --> 44:12.190]  Are they owned by somebody like Time Warner?
[44:13.190 --> 44:20.270]  Because the mere odds of a company existing these days that's not owned by an even bigger company are stupendous.
[44:20.350 --> 44:24.470]  So I'm sure I've heard of them in some other context, but U.S.
[44:24.490 --> 44:25.790]  Cellular is fairly new to me.
[44:25.910 --> 44:26.350]  What do you got there?
[44:27.270 --> 44:30.510]  Bernie, Bernie, you sent us an ordinance from the city of Philadelphia.
[44:30.830 --> 44:31.270]  What?
[44:31.470 --> 44:32.890]  Is he filing action against us?
[44:32.990 --> 44:33.370]  No.
[44:33.630 --> 44:35.730]  An amendment to a city ordinance.
[44:35.970 --> 44:37.410]  Bernie, can you tell us anything about this?
[44:37.710 --> 44:38.510]  What did I mail?
[44:38.510 --> 44:39.030]  I forget.
[44:39.190 --> 44:40.230]  You mailed us something?
[44:40.550 --> 44:46.570]  The Regulation of Business, Trades, and Professions, Chapter 9-2400 Sales of Alcohol Verification of Age.
[44:46.750 --> 44:48.370]  All right, don't read a legal notice on the air.
[44:48.490 --> 44:49.490]  That's like watching paint peel.
[44:49.550 --> 44:55.690]  Okay, so this basically says that electronic age verification equipment is required.
[44:55.690 --> 44:56.670]  What does that mean?
[44:57.390 --> 44:59.190]  Yeah, Bernie, what were you thinking when you sent this to us?
[44:59.430 --> 45:01.810]  I just thought it looked pretty cool, so I thought I'd mail it in.
[45:01.810 --> 45:03.130]  I remember what it is now.
[45:03.310 --> 45:12.550]  It's instructions to tavern and bar owners on, not liquor stores, because liquor stores are all owned by the state government, so they make all the money.
[45:12.710 --> 45:31.310]  But basically, if you buy any alcohol in this state, you have to provide some government-issued ID, which is machine-readable, and this provides instructions on what you're supposed to do as far as how to read your customers' ID cards.
[45:31.450 --> 45:33.210]  And how did this happen to fall into your hands?
[45:33.210 --> 45:34.530]  I don't think you run a tavern.
[45:36.790 --> 45:41.450]  Oh, I know someone who owns a sushi restaurant, and he showed it to me.
[45:41.650 --> 45:41.730]  Ah.
[45:42.250 --> 45:44.970]  And you didn't give it back to him after he showed it to you?
[45:45.170 --> 45:45.910]  No, he didn't care.
[45:46.010 --> 45:49.310]  He's like, I'm not going to bother with this, even though he has to.
[45:49.530 --> 45:58.570]  Like, if he wants to serve sake to somebody, he has to have an electronic machine to read the driver's license data just to see if he can give the person sake.
[45:58.570 --> 46:03.390]  I mean, all this complaining, this is for your benefit, this is for your protection, isn't it?
[46:03.770 --> 46:05.430]  But they log all this stuff, Emmanuel.
[46:05.710 --> 46:09.850]  Yeah, but they log it because what if they need to know what you drank a year ago?
[46:10.110 --> 46:10.450]  I don't know.
[46:10.530 --> 46:11.790]  That must be a good reason for logging it.
[46:11.830 --> 46:16.430]  We have an advertisement here from Proficient Technologies Incorporated, and it's actually really funny.
[46:16.510 --> 46:16.690]  Okay.
[46:16.850 --> 46:18.530]  So I'll read some of the things that they say.
[46:18.590 --> 46:21.550]  Let me just give the phone number out since everybody has given up since we talked so long.
[46:21.650 --> 46:23.030]  212-209-2900.
[46:23.170 --> 46:24.030]  We'll pick up in a couple of minutes.
[46:24.150 --> 46:24.330]  Go ahead.
[46:24.330 --> 46:30.030]  It contains a database of every driver's license from all 51 states DMV.
[46:30.450 --> 46:31.350]  51 states?
[46:31.410 --> 46:32.230]  Did I miss something?
[46:32.630 --> 46:34.110]  Has Bush been busy over the weekend?
[46:34.170 --> 46:34.570]  What happened?
[46:35.010 --> 46:36.270]  What's the 51st state?
[46:36.890 --> 46:37.930]  This is really funny.
[46:38.110 --> 46:41.570]  Quote-unquote DMV center that is continuously updated every year.
[46:41.730 --> 46:45.830]  Therefore, you can actually detect a quote-unquote real counterfeit ID.
[46:46.070 --> 46:47.010]  And I don't...
[46:47.010 --> 46:48.430]  There's a lot of stuff in there.
[46:48.430 --> 46:49.090]  A real counterfeit ID, huh?
[46:49.110 --> 46:50.410]  I don't really know what that means.
[46:50.850 --> 46:52.470]  Well, it means it's not a counterfeit real ID.
[46:52.690 --> 46:52.830]  Right.
[46:52.830 --> 46:53.650]  We don't want one of those.
[46:54.030 --> 47:00.990]  If it's updated every year and your driver's license is less than a year old, as many people might have, is it not in the thing?
[47:01.410 --> 47:02.370]  I don't know.
[47:02.430 --> 47:03.910]  It doesn't really make any sense.
[47:04.270 --> 47:05.170]  How can...
[47:05.170 --> 47:06.110]  It's, you know...
[47:06.110 --> 47:09.390]  Mike, I believe you had an adventure with a license recently.
[47:09.510 --> 47:10.510]  Do you want to share this with people?
[47:10.570 --> 47:11.610]  Or is this something you want to keep secret?
[47:11.830 --> 47:14.030]  I'll talk about what I can talk about.
[47:14.030 --> 47:14.170]  All right.
[47:14.230 --> 47:15.690]  Talk about it quickly because we want to take some phone calls.
[47:15.690 --> 47:21.890]  The New York State Department of Motor Vehicles sent me in the mail a new driver's license a couple of weeks ago.
[47:22.030 --> 47:26.510]  I was kind of surprised by this because my old one wasn't expiring and I didn't know what was going on.
[47:26.510 --> 47:38.410]  So I opened up the letter and there was a note inside explaining that all people under the age of 25 in New York State were receiving a new driver's license and that somehow this would combat underage drinking.
[47:38.930 --> 47:39.370]  Uh-huh.
[47:39.490 --> 47:40.290]  And it's really...
[47:40.290 --> 47:43.790]  And they didn't make me do anything with my old one.
[47:43.790 --> 47:47.270]  So it's really unclear to me how this combats underage drinking.
[47:47.410 --> 47:48.370]  So now you have two licenses.
[47:48.930 --> 47:49.370]  Yeah.
[47:49.370 --> 47:50.450]  Which you can share or give away.
[47:50.510 --> 47:52.150]  You can share your license with someone else.
[47:52.250 --> 47:54.490]  If I were a criminal, I might do something like that.
[47:54.490 --> 48:04.250]  I guess this new one is a little bit harder to counterfeit or something, but the old one is still there and it still has the same, you know, 2007 expiration date.
[48:04.410 --> 48:05.690]  Is that a microphone built into there?
[48:05.790 --> 48:06.210]  I don't know.
[48:06.290 --> 48:06.490]  Maybe.
[48:06.690 --> 48:06.910]  Wow.
[48:06.950 --> 48:08.410]  It looks like it's got some kind of high-tech gizmo.
[48:08.610 --> 48:11.970]  It's got a 2D barcode on the back, but the old one had the same barcode.
[48:12.130 --> 48:12.670]  So I don't know.
[48:12.770 --> 48:15.890]  Well, the thing that gets me is that they send you a license without telling you they're sending you a license.
[48:15.890 --> 48:17.290]  And what if you don't get it?
[48:17.410 --> 48:18.630]  What if you don't know it's coming?
[48:18.850 --> 48:21.130]  The whole thing seems really poorly thought out.
[48:21.250 --> 48:21.610]  I don't know.
[48:22.130 --> 48:22.370]  All right.
[48:22.450 --> 48:22.690]  Let's...
[48:22.690 --> 48:23.930]  Operation Prevent, it's called.
[48:24.090 --> 48:24.870]  Operation Prevent.
[48:24.910 --> 48:25.830]  That's a silly name.
[48:25.950 --> 48:26.770]  I thought so, yeah.
[48:26.770 --> 48:26.950]  All right.
[48:26.990 --> 48:28.270]  Let's move to the phones.
[48:28.510 --> 48:29.170]  See who's out there.
[48:29.310 --> 48:31.350]  212-209-2900.
[48:31.870 --> 48:32.710]  And good evening.
[48:32.810 --> 48:33.270]  You're on the air.
[48:34.490 --> 48:34.850]  Yes.
[48:34.930 --> 48:35.130]  Hello.
[48:35.370 --> 48:35.490]  Hi.
[48:35.570 --> 48:35.910]  Speak up, please.
[48:36.010 --> 48:36.730]  Good evening, gentlemen.
[48:37.170 --> 48:40.230]  I have a rather strange thing that's happening on my phone.
[48:40.390 --> 48:43.490]  Every half an hour, like clockwork, there's a little chirp.
[48:43.710 --> 48:46.430]  It's like the beginning of a ring, but then the ring never comes.
[48:46.490 --> 48:47.990]  This has been going on for about a year.
[48:48.370 --> 48:49.310]  Every half hour?
[48:49.490 --> 48:49.850]  Yeah.
[48:50.230 --> 48:50.870]  Day and night?
[48:50.870 --> 48:51.750]  Day and night.
[48:52.210 --> 48:52.470]  Wow.
[48:52.850 --> 49:01.150]  I mean, I've heard of this kind of thing happening late at night when your central office is sending some kind of test pulse down the line and electronic phones can pick that up and they chirp.
[49:01.650 --> 49:05.570]  But for this, I would say something's wrong with your phone line or something's wrong with that phone.
[49:06.250 --> 49:08.890]  Try plugging it into a different phone line and see if it does the same thing.
[49:08.990 --> 49:11.970]  And if not, then I'd call the phone company and say, what's going on here?
[49:12.010 --> 49:12.130]  Yeah.
[49:12.130 --> 49:14.250]  Well, I actually called the phone company and they didn't...
[49:14.250 --> 49:18.330]  They said maybe you have one phone with a battery that's running low.
[49:18.550 --> 49:19.090]  But I don't.
[49:19.310 --> 49:20.530]  Well, do phones chirp?
[49:20.670 --> 49:23.630]  I mean, smoke detectors chirp, but do phones chirp when they're running out of battery?
[49:23.670 --> 49:24.250]  I didn't know this.
[49:24.350 --> 49:24.490]  Yeah.
[49:24.490 --> 49:25.250]  No, it's the same.
[49:25.370 --> 49:27.930]  It sounds like the beginning of a ring, but it's not a ring.
[49:28.070 --> 49:28.130]  Yeah.
[49:28.750 --> 49:34.930]  Well, I definitely try swapping things around because that's probably your best bet as far as tracking down where the problem's coming from.
[49:35.170 --> 49:35.570]  Okay.
[49:35.790 --> 49:35.990]  All right.
[49:36.090 --> 49:37.270]  Thanks for your call.
[49:37.990 --> 49:39.210]  212-209-2900.
[49:39.310 --> 49:39.550]  Good evening.
[49:39.650 --> 49:40.010]  You're on the air.
[49:41.210 --> 49:41.610]  Hi.
[49:41.810 --> 49:42.010]  Hi.
[49:42.410 --> 49:43.210]  Two quick questions.
[49:44.310 --> 49:48.870]  I went to the SoundExchange site and I couldn't find a list of recording artists.
[49:48.870 --> 49:59.370]  And then the other thing is what penalty would be meted out if you put your passport in the microwave and destroyed the RFI chip?
[49:59.570 --> 50:00.330]  I'll hang up and listen.
[50:00.630 --> 50:00.770]  Okay.
[50:00.950 --> 50:01.150]  Thanks.
[50:01.230 --> 50:01.830]  Thanks for your call.
[50:02.470 --> 50:07.510]  Does anybody know the specifics as to the penalty that's at least proposed, if not actually in force right now?
[50:07.630 --> 50:13.370]  Well, it's the same as any other tampering with a passport, which is a federal crime.
[50:13.370 --> 50:14.670]  I don't know the exact penalty.
[50:15.090 --> 50:16.030]  It's a felony.
[50:16.530 --> 50:16.750]  Yeah.
[50:16.750 --> 50:16.970]  Yeah.
[50:17.910 --> 50:23.910]  Now, if you want the list of unpaid artists, we have a website for you.
[50:24.910 --> 50:27.150]  It's got IP numbers, so be warned.
[50:29.770 --> 50:30.570]  63.236...
[50:30.570 --> 50:31.050]  Actually, wait a minute.
[50:31.510 --> 50:33.590]  I'll just give you the tiny URL one like I gave you before.
[50:33.670 --> 50:34.250]  That's a lot easier.
[50:35.570 --> 50:38.950]  tinyurl.com slash J5YWU.
[50:39.350 --> 50:43.850]  That's T-I-N-Y-U-R-L dot C-O-M slash J5YWU.
[50:44.070 --> 50:45.370]  And there you will see a list.
[50:45.370 --> 50:47.150]  Jim, did you find any interesting artists there?
[50:47.450 --> 50:47.750]  Yeah.
[50:48.130 --> 50:59.270]  Ladysmith Black Mombazo, Mahalia Jackson, Gladys Knight and the Pips, Foxy Brown, Little Kim, The Four Aces, The Four Tops.
[50:59.610 --> 51:01.050]  Half of those people are on my speed dial.
[51:01.190 --> 51:04.350]  It's not hard to get contact information.
[51:04.510 --> 51:04.650]  Alright.
[51:05.150 --> 51:05.730]  Let's take another phone call.
[51:05.730 --> 51:06.030]  Good evening.
[51:06.190 --> 51:06.570]  You're on the air.
[51:07.130 --> 51:07.810]  Hey, Emmanuel.
[51:08.010 --> 51:09.930]  I got the frequencies if you're interested.
[51:10.210 --> 51:11.750]  For the space station?
[51:11.970 --> 51:12.650]  Yes, sir.
[51:12.750 --> 51:17.410]  If anybody's listening on the side right now and wants to throw them into a scanner.
[51:17.730 --> 51:18.030]  Okay.
[51:18.030 --> 51:31.570]  Well, the downlink, the one that the Space Station, International Space Station will be talking to Earth on, is 145.800 megahertz.
[51:31.890 --> 51:35.450]  And that's in the FM mode as opposed to AM.
[51:36.210 --> 51:37.130]  Or sideband.
[51:38.150 --> 51:39.670]  And the, right, right.
[51:39.870 --> 51:45.070]  And the uplink for this region, the North American region, which is region two.
[51:45.670 --> 51:48.910]  They have the planet divided up into a couple of different regions.
[51:49.010 --> 51:50.290]  Another region plan?
[51:50.870 --> 51:51.950]  Whose regions are these?
[51:52.530 --> 52:01.250]  Oh, I'm not sure where the, who, I believe it's the American Radio Relay League is one of the contributors to the system.
[52:01.250 --> 52:03.570]  Well, it's good to be region two for a change instead of region one.
[52:03.670 --> 52:04.270]  I like that.
[52:04.270 --> 52:05.030]  So what's that other frequency?
[52:05.410 --> 52:10.450]  It's 144.490 megahertz.
[52:10.790 --> 52:11.050]  Mm-hmm.
[52:11.370 --> 52:13.190]  And again, that's in the FM mode.
[52:13.350 --> 52:14.210]  That's the uplink.
[52:14.590 --> 52:17.930]  And the first one, 145.800 is the downlink.
[52:18.150 --> 52:18.350]  Okay.
[52:18.390 --> 52:20.930]  In case anybody has a scanner and wants to throw them in.
[52:21.290 --> 52:26.850]  And so one of your compadres that I mentioned, there is antenna issues, you know, with where they're directed.
[52:27.150 --> 52:30.470]  So whether or not you're going to hear anything on the uplink is questionable.
[52:30.470 --> 52:30.810]  Mm-hmm.
[52:30.810 --> 52:40.410]  But if the space station is passing overhead, you can probably hear it for, at least while it's on the horizon, something on the downlink at least.
[52:40.410 --> 52:47.870]  Now, what if you reverse your radio and you transmit and receive on the wrong frequencies and try and fool other people into thinking you're the space station?
[52:48.150 --> 52:48.790]  Ah, good question.
[52:49.010 --> 52:50.350]  Yes, it's possible.
[52:50.450 --> 52:57.270]  And they do make mention of that in different readings that I've done that they frown upon that.
[52:57.790 --> 52:59.470]  You can't legally do it anyway.
[52:59.630 --> 53:01.410]  You can't identify yourself as a space station.
[53:01.950 --> 53:02.250]  Right.
[53:02.250 --> 53:02.450]  Okay.
[53:02.450 --> 53:02.970]  How will they know?
[53:04.430 --> 53:07.730]  Because, I don't know, they'll track you down somehow with RFID.
[53:07.950 --> 53:08.250]  I don't know.
[53:08.410 --> 53:09.050]  They'll find you.
[53:09.370 --> 53:09.930]  But the...
[53:10.770 --> 53:15.050]  Triangulation, yeah, there's ways if you persistently do it, absolutely you can be found.
[53:15.050 --> 53:18.710]  Also, the fellow had mentioned, I just want to throw in this app.
[53:18.990 --> 53:23.950]  My cordless phone has the nickel cadmium batteries in it, and they are old.
[53:24.130 --> 53:26.470]  They're past a thousand charges that they're good for.
[53:26.850 --> 53:32.590]  So while I am on the phone, it will start to chirp on me to let me know that the batteries are on the way out.
[53:32.710 --> 53:41.470]  It'll also give you a visual indication on the screen letting you know, wrap up your conversation or find another phone because this one's about to go dead on you and it has on a couple of times.
[53:41.470 --> 53:43.990]  Speaking of wrapping up conversation, we're going to have to go to one more phone call.
[53:43.990 --> 53:44.790]  Hopefully, we'll get one more in.
[53:44.870 --> 53:46.090]  Thanks for that information, though.
[53:46.190 --> 53:46.750]  Very helpful.
[53:47.070 --> 53:49.070]  And let's see if we can squeeze in one more phone call.
[53:49.130 --> 53:49.410]  Good evening.
[53:49.610 --> 53:50.150]  You're on the air.
[53:51.170 --> 53:51.550]  Hi there.
[53:51.730 --> 53:51.930]  Hi.
[53:51.950 --> 53:52.450]  What's on your mind?
[53:52.830 --> 53:53.490]  Can you hear me?
[53:53.590 --> 53:54.290]  I hear you fine.
[53:54.410 --> 53:55.110]  You can hear us.
[53:56.290 --> 53:58.710]  I'm calling from upstate New York on a landline.
[53:58.830 --> 53:58.970]  Okay.
[53:59.070 --> 54:00.130]  Horizon E plan.
[54:00.570 --> 54:12.050]  And when I try to call WBAI in the last several months, when you're calling and you ring a bunch of times and then you get transferred into that fast busy, all of a sudden you get charged for the call.
[54:12.310 --> 54:12.550]  Really?
[54:12.610 --> 54:13.650]  What company charges you?
[54:13.990 --> 54:15.110]  This would be Verizon.
[54:15.350 --> 54:16.930]  But they don't do it on anything else.
[54:16.930 --> 54:21.710]  And they claim that it's got to be some problem inside the WBAI phone system.
[54:21.810 --> 54:22.870]  Well, you know what?
[54:23.350 --> 54:27.090]  That's not beyond the realm of possibility that there's a problem with the BAI phone system.
[54:27.310 --> 54:28.050]  No, it couldn't be.
[54:28.050 --> 54:36.890]  I don't like to side with Verizon, certainly not in a case like this, but I think maybe reality makes it mandatory that I do so.
[54:37.190 --> 54:38.450]  We're going to have to leave it at that, though.
[54:38.450 --> 54:51.470]  Real quick, the reason why the other caller mentioned that the uplink frequencies were split into regions is because, like you mentioned, there are different policies governing what frequencies amateurs can transmit on in various countries, and the FCC governs that in this country.
[54:51.470 --> 54:56.770]  So the band plan for the two-meter location may be different in another country.
[54:56.950 --> 55:02.510]  So from the ground, you can't transmit on the same frequencies here as you can in other countries and vice versa.
[55:03.010 --> 55:03.950]  Well, I learned something...
[55:03.950 --> 55:04.370]  Depending on the country.
[55:04.510 --> 55:07.250]  I learned another thing about regions in this world.
[55:07.350 --> 55:07.830]  It's good to know.
[55:08.350 --> 55:08.610]  Okay.
[55:09.730 --> 55:16.490]  This outro, Ashley McIsaac, if anybody knows where he is, give him a call because these guys...
[55:16.490 --> 55:16.790]  What's it?
[55:17.170 --> 55:17.490]  Sound...
[55:17.490 --> 55:18.250]  Sound exchange.
[55:18.410 --> 55:18.950]  Sound exchange.
[55:19.110 --> 55:20.050]  They owe him some money.
[55:20.690 --> 55:25.230]  Anybody in Nova Scotia, just ring them up and tell them to, I guess, go to their website and figure out how to collect.
[55:25.370 --> 55:28.830]  And if you're in a band, definitely check out that list.
[55:28.990 --> 55:29.410]  See you next week.
[55:29.530 --> 55:29.630]  Good night.
[55:29.630 --> 55:29.950]  Hello.
[55:34.290 --> 55:35.670]  I'm not allowed to take a breath.
[58:02.690 --> 58:03.910]  Hoo, yeah!
[58:04.110 --> 58:04.790]  I liked that.
[58:04.910 --> 58:05.370]  What was his name?
[58:05.510 --> 58:06.430]  Ashley Mc...
[58:06.430 --> 58:10.270]  Ashley McIsaac...hi's from Nova Scotia.
[58:10.450 --> 58:10.610]  Isnt he?
[58:11.110 --> 58:11.710]  Wow.
[58:11.870 --> 58:12.330]  He's great.
[58:12.330 --> 58:12.950]  That guy.
[58:12.950 --> 58:12.970]  Bye.