[00:00.000 --> 00:04.480]  Cooper's appeal comes at a time when California's death penalty is in question.
[00:04.800 --> 00:11.780]  The state's lethal injection is contested, and a state-appointed commission is investigating wrongful convictions and death sentences.
[00:12.240 --> 00:15.960]  Cooper's attorney argued that his death sentence was a wrongful conviction.
[00:16.640 --> 00:21.280]  Heil expects the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeal to rule on Cooper's case within the next three months.
[00:21.460 --> 00:25.200]  Reporting for FSRN in San Francisco, I'm Christina Onestead.
[00:26.340 --> 00:28.760]  You've been listening to Free Speech Radio News.
[00:29.040 --> 00:31.900]  From KPFK in Los Angeles, this is Aura Bogado.
[00:34.800 --> 00:36.700]  And it is exactly 7 o'clock.
[00:36.700 --> 00:38.940]  You're listening to radio station WBAI New York.
[00:39.180 --> 00:42.520]  Time once again for an exciting edition of Off the Hook.
[01:37.420 --> 01:38.600]  And a very good evening to everybody.
[01:38.800 --> 01:40.480]  The program is Off the Hook.
[01:40.680 --> 01:43.840]  Emmanuel Goldstein here with you on this Wednesday evening.
[01:44.940 --> 01:47.440]  Joined this week by Jim.
[01:48.020 --> 01:48.900]  Oh, boss.
[01:49.320 --> 01:50.540]  And, don't say that.
[01:50.820 --> 01:51.260]  And, uh...
[01:51.260 --> 01:51.420]  What?
[01:51.780 --> 01:52.240]  Redbird.
[01:52.480 --> 01:52.880]  Good evening.
[01:53.520 --> 01:54.560]  Mike over there.
[01:54.880 --> 01:55.080]  Hi.
[01:55.260 --> 01:56.340]  And rounding it out, not Kevin.
[01:56.340 --> 01:57.100]  Yeah, hello.
[01:57.360 --> 01:58.520]  Bernie down in Philadelphia.
[01:59.380 --> 01:59.800]  Yes.
[02:00.120 --> 02:00.920]  Greetings from Philadelphia.
[02:01.240 --> 02:02.760]  And I understand you were in a car, is that right?
[02:02.840 --> 02:04.340]  Well, I just leapt out of the car.
[02:05.140 --> 02:05.740]  Oh, wow.
[02:05.780 --> 02:07.860]  You do that thing where you roll over on the ground a few times?
[02:08.120 --> 02:10.660]  Yeah, I'm all dirty and dusty, but I'll manage...
[02:10.660 --> 02:10.960]  All right.
[02:11.040 --> 02:11.720]  The sacrifices.
[02:11.920 --> 02:16.740]  The sacrifices people go through just to get on the radio show and bring information to people.
[02:17.160 --> 02:18.660]  And tonight, no exception.
[02:18.660 --> 02:23.400]  We have all sorts of interesting tidbits to digest.
[02:23.400 --> 02:25.840]  And a special guest will be coming on in just a little bit.
[02:26.860 --> 02:27.920]  Good news, bad news.
[02:28.060 --> 02:28.820]  Let's start with the good news.
[02:28.920 --> 02:29.660]  It's good news, right?
[02:29.840 --> 02:30.220]  Right, Mike?
[02:30.360 --> 02:32.080]  You've got some good news for us.
[02:32.080 --> 02:32.660]  I have good news.
[02:32.740 --> 02:32.980]  All right.
[02:33.060 --> 02:34.320]  We like to start with the good news.
[02:34.400 --> 02:36.140]  It's so rare that we can, but...
[02:36.140 --> 02:37.160]  Yeah, we don't want to be pessimistic.
[02:37.160 --> 02:38.600]  It's just the world is that way.
[02:38.700 --> 02:42.620]  This is news that Elliot Spitzer, who is the new governor of New York State...
[02:42.620 --> 02:43.060]  The new governor.
[02:43.220 --> 02:44.340]  All hail Governor Spitzer.
[02:44.560 --> 02:46.260]  I don't know about hailing, but, you know...
[02:46.260 --> 02:46.920]  You're supposed to say that.
[02:46.980 --> 02:47.500]  That's part of it.
[02:47.500 --> 02:48.440]  All right.
[02:48.540 --> 02:51.900]  Well, anyway, he ordered sharp cuts in the cost of prisoner phone calls.
[02:52.360 --> 02:57.940]  This is an issue that we've talked about on this show here, where it used to be MCI.
[02:58.100 --> 03:01.920]  MCI is now part of Verizon, like most other companies.
[03:02.020 --> 03:03.580]  You're supposed to say that, too, every time you say MCI.
[03:04.040 --> 03:14.960]  MCI, those swine, had the exclusive contract with New York State prisons for prisoners to call, call, collect their families and friends.
[03:15.900 --> 03:19.320]  And what they would do was they would gouge the prisoners, basically.
[03:19.320 --> 03:21.880]  They would charge them way more than any other phone call.
[03:22.100 --> 03:24.080]  And the state would keep a lot of the money.
[03:24.320 --> 03:28.960]  And MCI, now Verizon, would keep some more of the money.
[03:29.160 --> 03:33.520]  And it's really, you know, dangerous, you know...
[03:33.520 --> 03:33.940]  It's a kickback scheme.
[03:34.740 --> 03:37.940]  Isn't that why a lot of people are in the prison to start with, because of things like this?
[03:38.220 --> 03:39.300]  For making phone calls?
[03:39.320 --> 03:40.120]  Yeah, a kickback scheme.
[03:40.400 --> 03:41.800]  I mean, it sounds that way to me.
[03:41.800 --> 03:44.020]  Well, you know, some are legal, some are illegal.
[03:44.220 --> 03:44.640]  I see.
[03:44.920 --> 03:48.800]  But apparently the state is no longer going to get a chunk.
[03:49.040 --> 03:54.080]  So the phone calls are now getting cut in half the cost.
[03:54.840 --> 03:57.160]  This takes effect April 1st.
[03:57.300 --> 04:00.280]  The state will not share in any revenue from the phone calls.
[04:00.780 --> 04:07.740]  Apparently a 20-minute phone call will fall from $6.20 to $3, which is still kind of a lot for a 20-minute phone call.
[04:07.740 --> 04:15.380]  Well, considering how much consumers pay for 20 minutes, like maybe nothing, or $0.05 a minute or something like that, it's still quite a bit.
[04:15.500 --> 04:16.780]  It's still a lot, but it's much better.
[04:16.800 --> 04:17.300]  It's better.
[04:17.360 --> 04:17.880]  It's better.
[04:18.080 --> 04:24.600]  It was six times the cost of a regular collect call, so now it's going to be three times the cost of a regular collect call.
[04:24.860 --> 04:25.820]  Still outrageous.
[04:26.160 --> 04:35.040]  I just was living in hopes of the day that one of the people behind this scheme would find himself in a particular prison, because of that scheme, paying the exact same amount.
[04:35.040 --> 04:36.820]  But I guess it's not to be.
[04:37.120 --> 04:50.860]  There's one noteworthy side story to this, and that is this slight improvement in the situation only applies to calls from prisoners in New York state prisons.
[04:51.000 --> 04:59.020]  It doesn't apply to New York County prisons or federal prisons in New York or in any prison of any kind in any of the other states.
[04:59.020 --> 05:07.420]  But it's a good move in the right direction, and I'd like to see an FCC regulation along these lines, which would just cover the problem for all prisons.
[05:07.660 --> 05:23.140]  Okay, so if you are, in fact, a criminal, and again, this is our Tips for Criminals section of the program, if you are planning on committing a crime, do so in New York if you want to take advantage of lower phone rates and don't commit a federal crime in New York,
[05:23.180 --> 05:25.220]  because then you'll wind up in a federal prison.
[05:25.760 --> 05:28.680]  And how do you get in a state prison and not a county prison?
[05:28.980 --> 05:30.020]  Well, it has to be a crime.
[05:30.200 --> 05:32.840]  It can't be like a minor crime.
[05:33.000 --> 05:36.480]  It has to be a crime that would generally involve more than one year of incarceration.
[05:36.520 --> 05:40.400]  It has to be a state crime violation, not a federal crime.
[05:40.460 --> 05:41.640]  A crime against the state.
[05:42.360 --> 05:52.180]  Yeah, it has to be serious enough to warrant more than one year of incarceration in a New York state prison sentence, but it can't have been picked up by the feds.
[05:52.480 --> 05:54.960]  So that's what you have to do to take advantage of the special deal.
[05:55.500 --> 05:58.520]  Do you think whatever somebody did in New York City yesterday would qualify?
[05:58.880 --> 05:59.920]  You know what I'm talking about.
[06:01.020 --> 06:01.920]  You do, don't you?
[06:02.060 --> 06:02.740]  I have no idea.
[06:03.020 --> 06:04.560]  The stink, the smell...
[06:04.560 --> 06:06.040]  No, that was done in New Jersey.
[06:06.160 --> 06:07.920]  I don't think this deal applies.
[06:08.280 --> 06:09.520]  How do you know it was done in New Jersey?
[06:09.520 --> 06:11.640]  It said in the newspaper that the smell came from New Jersey.
[06:11.660 --> 06:12.700]  Okay, but you know what, Mike?
[06:12.900 --> 06:14.900]  I have to side with Redbird on this one.
[06:15.640 --> 06:20.760]  They claim it came from some industrial plant in New Jersey or something like that.
[06:20.760 --> 06:25.640]  Except the particular chemical, which is known as ethyl mercaptan.
[06:26.080 --> 06:26.920]  That's the name of it.
[06:27.120 --> 06:29.240]  It is the stinkiest substance on Earth.
[06:29.460 --> 06:33.100]  You one drop of this and an entire city block will stink to high holy hell.
[06:33.700 --> 06:41.540]  Now, there is no company of any sort manufacturing that particular chemical in that particular part of New Jersey.
[06:41.680 --> 06:46.660]  So it couldn't have been that unless it was just somebody dropping it over there and it wafted over the Hudson River.
[06:46.780 --> 06:48.960]  But somebody could have done this anyplace.
[06:48.960 --> 06:50.120]  I've been wanting to do this for years.
[06:50.120 --> 06:56.260]  I've always wanted to know what would happen if you just drop the smelly chemical in various places.
[06:56.400 --> 06:57.020]  What would happen?
[06:57.160 --> 06:59.540]  I think that's pretty obviously what took place yesterday.
[07:01.300 --> 07:06.820]  And I don't think people are discussing that because it's kind of scary when you realize how easy it is to do something like this.
[07:06.920 --> 07:07.920]  The ultimate stink bomb.
[07:08.040 --> 07:08.360]  It is.
[07:08.420 --> 07:09.820]  But I think that would land you in a state prison.
[07:10.200 --> 07:11.160]  It might be a federal crime.
[07:11.160 --> 07:14.140]  It could have been a trial run for some sort of more evil plot.
[07:15.140 --> 07:16.960]  Well, there's been discussion of that too.
[07:17.120 --> 07:21.620]  Yeah, maybe Al-Qaeda is sampling the air to see how quickly things spread around.
[07:21.640 --> 07:28.680]  But I think it's more likely that Homeland Security is doing that and deliberately spreading misinformation so that we won't believe that they're actually doing that.
[07:28.700 --> 07:31.200]  They could do it with a chemical that doesn't smell but still detectable.
[07:31.200 --> 07:36.700]  Well, what better way to get a lot of reports as to where it actually was experienced?
[07:37.620 --> 07:45.980]  I actually have a distant cousin who works for the federal government who sometimes comes to New York City and releases chemicals into the air and sees where they go.
[07:46.080 --> 07:49.020]  Well, I would call that person and find out where they were yesterday.
[07:49.280 --> 07:55.640]  I have to say, though, to get the particular substance that was used yesterday, you need to be a chemist.
[07:55.700 --> 07:58.940]  You need to have some kind of legitimate reason to obtain it.
[07:59.400 --> 08:01.900]  Of course, it's possible somebody could give it to you illegitimately.
[08:02.200 --> 08:03.260]  There's lots of chemists.
[08:03.460 --> 08:04.200]  It's traceable.
[08:04.340 --> 08:05.020]  That's what I'm saying.
[08:05.280 --> 08:05.880]  It's traceable.
[08:05.880 --> 08:07.000]  It can be made.
[08:07.820 --> 08:08.680]  It can be made.
[08:08.800 --> 08:09.140]  Oh, sure.
[08:09.260 --> 08:10.240]  You say that with some assurance.
[08:10.460 --> 08:11.940]  I was a chemistry major in college.
[08:12.060 --> 08:12.540]  Were you?
[08:12.740 --> 08:13.560]  How very interesting.
[08:13.700 --> 08:16.000]  As was our good friend, you know who, from NotWork.
[08:16.400 --> 08:17.900]  I have no idea who you're talking about.
[08:17.980 --> 08:19.200]  I have no idea what you're talking about.
[08:19.280 --> 08:24.400]  But what I am interested in is the fact that you are a chemist and you can actually get a hold of this chemical.
[08:24.460 --> 08:26.720]  I could get the precursors easily enough.
[08:26.880 --> 08:27.140]  Uh-huh.
[08:27.760 --> 08:29.600]  Just dropping a few drops around the city.
[08:29.800 --> 08:30.500]  I was in Brooklyn.
[08:30.680 --> 08:32.240]  Brooklyn didn't stink yesterday, okay?
[08:32.240 --> 08:33.560]  I had nothing to do with this.
[08:33.720 --> 08:34.020]  All right.
[08:34.840 --> 08:38.560]  You're also forbidden from crossing state lines to go to New Jersey to...
[08:38.560 --> 08:39.280]  That's true.
[08:39.300 --> 08:42.280]  But the question is, where in the river is the state line?
[08:42.700 --> 08:44.560]  Well, you know, someone says it's from New Jersey.
[08:44.560 --> 08:47.060]  How does that make it so that it's actually from New Jersey?
[08:47.160 --> 08:48.160]  Nobody seems to really not...
[08:48.160 --> 08:49.320]  Are you doubting the newspaper?
[08:49.360 --> 08:51.260]  Yes, I'm very much doubting the newspapers.
[08:51.260 --> 08:57.800]  They fascinatingly said that it was a burp from the bottom of the swamps around Secaucus.
[08:57.860 --> 08:59.420]  Yeah, some guy is saying...
[08:59.420 --> 09:01.200]  And I'm thinking this is one heck of a big burp.
[09:01.280 --> 09:04.340]  Some guy is saying that this is naturally produced.
[09:04.380 --> 09:05.080]  It's not.
[09:05.480 --> 09:09.200]  You don't get that kind of smell from any kind of natural phenomenon.
[09:09.400 --> 09:10.140]  Did you smell it?
[09:10.220 --> 09:11.100]  How many people here smelled it?
[09:11.100 --> 09:13.360]  Well, I was on Long Island and nothing smelled out there.
[09:13.460 --> 09:14.160]  I was in the middle of nowhere.
[09:14.280 --> 09:14.800]  I didn't smell it again.
[09:15.620 --> 09:15.880]  Okay.
[09:15.880 --> 09:18.520]  So this was supposedly then swamp gas?
[09:18.620 --> 09:22.220]  Because I remember when I was a child, I was a UFO enthusiast.
[09:22.320 --> 09:27.580]  And swamp gas was one of the reasons blamed for causing all these false UFO sightings as well.
[09:27.680 --> 09:29.800]  So I think swamp gas is getting a bad rap.
[09:30.300 --> 09:31.580]  Yeah, I agree.
[09:31.980 --> 09:32.860]  Okay, moving on.
[09:33.160 --> 09:34.820]  A little bit of fun here in New York yesterday.
[09:35.060 --> 09:37.540]  So moving on to other fun items.
[09:37.820 --> 09:41.620]  This is something that our friends over at MI5 are involved in.
[09:41.620 --> 09:46.020]  Britain's domestic spy agency has launched a new email alert service.
[09:46.020 --> 09:50.800]  I did this yesterday to warn the public about changes in the security threat level.
[09:51.040 --> 09:58.960]  Internet users will be able to register on the MI5 website to receive automatic electronic updates in their email inboxes.
[09:59.040 --> 10:02.260]  You can tell I'm reading a news story here referring to email inboxes.
[10:02.580 --> 10:08.320]  The email alerts are the latest in a series of moves by MI5 and its partner, the international spy agency, MI...
[10:08.960 --> 10:09.340]  Six.
[10:09.500 --> 10:09.680]  Six.
[10:09.840 --> 10:10.380]  They're very good.
[10:10.380 --> 10:14.620]  to open up to the public after decades of guarding extreme secrecy.
[10:14.980 --> 10:17.060]  Now, what's particularly funny about this...
[10:17.060 --> 10:19.340]  Of course, I signed up, or I tried to sign up.
[10:19.460 --> 10:23.160]  Would you believe their website was completely inaccessible because of this news story?
[10:23.500 --> 10:25.360]  Everybody was bombarding it with requests.
[10:25.440 --> 10:30.480]  If they can't survive a news story, how are they going to survive a terrorist attack or trying to alert people?
[10:30.920 --> 10:32.420]  I don't think the servers are up to it.
[10:32.520 --> 10:34.780]  People got so excited by this alert system?
[10:34.860 --> 10:35.300]  Apparently.
[10:35.580 --> 10:37.360]  It took me 25 minutes to register.
[10:37.360 --> 10:40.500]  The page just would not display, and I kept having to hit reload.
[10:41.240 --> 10:42.480]  It was pathetic.
[10:42.880 --> 10:43.820]  The slashed out effect.
[10:44.020 --> 10:44.620]  I'm sorry, Bernie.
[10:44.760 --> 10:44.800]  What?
[10:45.120 --> 10:46.360]  How do we register for this?
[10:46.580 --> 10:48.120]  You go to the MI5 website.
[10:48.380 --> 10:50.620]  There's an address I don't have in front of me, but I can get it.
[10:50.860 --> 10:53.500]  If you just type MI5 into Google, you'll get it right away.
[10:54.760 --> 10:59.460]  And on that page, you will see a link to get email alerts.
[10:59.460 --> 11:00.580]  Now, I don't know what happens.
[11:00.720 --> 11:08.000]  They also say on their MI5 website that England is in severe mode, which means a terrorist attack is extremely likely.
[11:08.240 --> 11:09.560]  That's as high as you get.
[11:10.300 --> 11:12.840]  So, I mean, how much worse can...
[11:12.840 --> 11:13.920]  They can't alert you to anything.
[11:13.920 --> 11:15.800]  They've already pulled out all the stops.
[11:15.980 --> 11:17.920]  They're already panicking as much as they possibly can.
[11:17.920 --> 11:18.800]  So it's imminent.
[11:18.940 --> 11:19.900]  It's going to happen any day.
[11:20.240 --> 11:20.680]  Definitely.
[11:20.680 --> 11:21.780]  No question about it.
[11:22.180 --> 11:24.060]  All they can do now is say, you know what?
[11:24.140 --> 11:26.140]  We're over-exaggerating here.
[11:26.280 --> 11:27.020]  Calm down, everybody.
[11:27.260 --> 11:28.660]  I don't think they'll send an email like that.
[11:28.660 --> 11:32.780]  So I know they don't have the colors over there, but they're basically at the equivalent of red.
[11:32.920 --> 11:33.940]  Severe is what they call it.
[11:33.980 --> 11:35.620]  Unless they have a word more than severe.
[11:36.020 --> 11:36.440]  They could.
[11:36.660 --> 11:37.640]  It's all very silly.
[11:37.700 --> 11:38.860]  It's called bloody severe.
[11:40.580 --> 11:42.820]  We've been close to that for a while, though, and nothing's happened.
[11:43.000 --> 11:43.540]  That's true.
[11:43.740 --> 11:46.200]  I don't think we get our money back if nothing happens.
[11:47.000 --> 11:53.000]  But, yeah, so if you want MI5 to be sending you updates, by all means, sign up at the MI5 website.
[11:55.100 --> 11:56.000]  Also, let's see.
[11:56.080 --> 11:56.920]  This is fun.
[11:56.920 --> 11:59.860]  This is something that I've been waiting for.
[12:00.000 --> 12:01.860]  I've been expecting something like this to happen.
[12:02.000 --> 12:03.060]  And now it's finally happened.
[12:03.480 --> 12:16.560]  And, boy, dentists, doctors, lawyers, and other professionals in the Pittsburgh area have been targeted by a hitman email scheme, receiving messages that tell them to pay up to spare their lives.
[12:16.600 --> 12:20.020]  The email was sent to most recipients around Christmastime.
[12:20.020 --> 12:23.980]  It tells the reader that there is a contract out on their life, generally for $50,000.
[12:24.780 --> 12:33.960]  It says that if the recipient sends the hitman more money than that, generally ranging from $80,000 to $150,000, the hitman will then leave him alone.
[12:34.540 --> 12:41.760]  No one has yet reportedly lost money or been harmed in this scam, but some recipients were unnerved by the messages quite a bit.
[12:42.420 --> 12:49.840]  But basically, they ask questions like, what did I get into?
[12:50.300 --> 12:52.060]  What do I got to do to get out of this?
[12:53.300 --> 12:55.080]  All sorts of crazy things like that.
[12:55.080 --> 13:01.520]  Now, the FBI became aware of the scam when people in Atlanta, Georgia, and New Orleans received similar emails in early December.
[13:01.960 --> 13:04.520]  And the scheme seems to have originated in Russia.
[13:04.640 --> 13:18.720]  Now, this is just a variation of the Nigerian email, all the many different things that we see on a day-to-day basis where people are basically saying, yeah, if you give us your bank account information or send this particular amount of money, you'll be a millionaire.
[13:19.260 --> 13:25.760]  And now, they're just pulling out all the stops saying, you know what, we're going to kill you if you don't send this email or send this money to us.
[13:25.840 --> 13:31.480]  But what it seemed like in this story is that they're targeting, specifically targeting the more intelligent members of society, right?
[13:31.600 --> 13:33.300]  Those less likely to fall for the scam.
[13:33.340 --> 13:36.820]  Well, I think they're starting with people they know have money, dentists, doctors, lawyers.
[13:37.180 --> 13:47.180]  But I think the day will come fairly soon, within the next few months, where we all will have gotten a hitman piece of email where someone's threatening to kill us if we don't send them $50,000 or more.
[13:48.220 --> 13:50.580]  So, that's something to look forward to.
[13:50.900 --> 13:51.980]  I knew this day would come.
[13:52.080 --> 13:53.400]  Are they going to be at least spelled correctly?
[13:53.720 --> 13:54.360]  I don't know.
[13:54.560 --> 13:55.780]  Do hitmen spell things correctly?
[13:56.200 --> 13:56.680]  Probably not.
[13:56.720 --> 13:58.080]  I'm not trying to offend the hitmen out there.
[13:58.180 --> 13:58.600]  I'm not.
[13:58.820 --> 14:02.020]  But sometimes you've got to study a little bit more on the words.
[14:02.420 --> 14:02.780]  Okay.
[14:02.940 --> 14:03.760]  Here's something fun.
[14:03.860 --> 14:06.100]  I got an email from Verizon Wireless.
[14:06.200 --> 14:07.840]  Verizon Wireless is one of the phone companies I use.
[14:07.960 --> 14:09.520]  One of my favorites.
[14:10.640 --> 14:12.580]  And it's called We're Improving.
[14:12.700 --> 14:14.120]  So, you know when they say that, you're in trouble.
[14:14.980 --> 14:17.160]  Verizon Wireless is improving your ability to access your account.
[14:17.180 --> 14:19.180]  Both from your PC and your wireless phone.
[14:19.900 --> 14:27.680]  So, therefore, the My Account feature may be unavailable or you may experience limited access at specific times as we upgrade our systems.
[14:28.080 --> 14:29.860]  We apologize for any inconvenience.
[14:30.260 --> 14:31.840]  Now, please note these dates.
[14:32.040 --> 14:34.460]  Wednesday, January 17th, 11 p.m.
[14:34.560 --> 14:38.280]  Pacific time through Friday, the 19th at 11 p.m.
[14:38.400 --> 14:38.800]  Pacific time.
[14:38.860 --> 14:40.460]  Or maybe it's just those times.
[14:40.640 --> 14:41.460]  It's kind of hard to say.
[14:41.560 --> 14:42.740]  They put a dash between the two of them.
[14:43.440 --> 14:49.620]  My Account users will be unable to make changes to their profiles, including username, password, email address, or security question.
[14:49.780 --> 14:53.420]  They will not be able to reset their password via trouble logging in.
[14:53.760 --> 14:56.120]  And you also will not be able to pay your bill.
[14:56.620 --> 14:59.980]  And the punchline underneath all this, thank you for using Verizon Wireless.
[14:59.980 --> 15:01.540]  We never stop working for you.
[15:02.420 --> 15:03.040]  Oh, yeah.
[15:03.680 --> 15:05.360]  You got to love a good sense of humor there.
[15:06.280 --> 15:08.080]  The people here are just speechless.
[15:08.480 --> 15:09.980]  There's nothing to say to that.
[15:10.280 --> 15:18.220]  Joining us on the phone now from somewhere in California, I believe, is Ken Brickman from...
[15:19.020 --> 15:24.780]  Ken Brickman, I'm sorry, from U-Mail, the company we've been speaking about over the last couple of weeks.
[15:24.940 --> 15:25.520]  Ken, are you with us?
[15:26.240 --> 15:26.760]  Yes, I am.
[15:26.840 --> 15:27.220]  Can you hear me?
[15:27.220 --> 15:28.300]  Yeah, I hear you just fine.
[15:28.460 --> 15:29.600]  Now, it turns out that...
[15:29.600 --> 15:30.080]  You can hear me now.
[15:31.420 --> 15:34.220]  Yes, we certainly can hear you a lot better than certain phone companies.
[15:34.780 --> 15:39.860]  It turns out you guys actually listen to the show, or somebody from your company listens to the show and sent us emails.
[15:39.980 --> 15:41.240]  We figured it would be fun to have you on.
[15:41.560 --> 15:49.100]  U-Mail is the company we were speaking about over the last couple of weeks where you can actually change the voicemail system that your cell phone uses.
[15:49.100 --> 15:57.940]  And magically, all of your calls will go to this service instead of whatever service your cell phone company sticks you with.
[15:58.480 --> 16:00.480]  Is that pretty much an accurate summation?
[16:01.580 --> 16:02.040]  Yes.
[16:02.240 --> 16:15.320]  And then, in addition to that, we allow you to record unique voicemail greetings for each person that calls you based on their caller ID, along with a host of other features that I'm sure we'll get into.
[16:15.320 --> 16:29.640]  That right there, that's what got my attention, is that feature where you were able to literally leave a different message for one person than for a different person, which comes in very handy if you're trying to, say, give somebody directions or meet up with somebody.
[16:29.640 --> 16:32.080]  No need telling everybody in the world your plans.
[16:32.080 --> 16:33.800]  You can just do it with one person.
[16:34.360 --> 16:37.680]  Why do you think no other phone company up to now has done this?
[16:39.940 --> 16:41.860]  I really don't know.
[16:41.860 --> 16:52.520]  So, we had the idea about six years ago and filed a patent on it several years back in several markets around the world.
[16:52.700 --> 17:04.140]  And we were just astonished to learn that we, so far, seem to have beat the big guys to the punch.
[17:05.100 --> 17:07.000]  Now, is there any kind of limitation?
[17:07.260 --> 17:11.220]  Can you only hold maybe 10 of these messages, or is the sky the limit on this?
[17:11.860 --> 17:13.620]  Well, the sky's the limit right now.
[17:14.020 --> 17:19.440]  And space is not expensive.
[17:19.740 --> 17:34.220]  So, right now, and for the foreseeable future, we're trying to structure the service in a way that allows you to record as many greetings as you want and store voicemail for life.
[17:34.220 --> 17:44.720]  There's nothing more frustrating than every 14 days on your cell phone voicemail hearing that, you know, if your message is 14 days old, we're going to delete it unless you push one.
[17:44.940 --> 17:54.040]  You know, everyone has that funny message from their daughter or the drunk dial from somebody they want to keep, and this is a way that you can do that.
[17:54.040 --> 18:09.400]  Well, this is something... I mean, I didn't know about this particular feature until now, but the frustration you mentioned, it's something that I've been experiencing over the last few months with Verizon Wireless because they insist on scolding you when you try to listen to your new messages about all the old ones that you have to delete,
[18:09.400 --> 18:12.840]  or they'll be deleted automatically, and you can't skip the scolding.
[18:12.840 --> 18:23.300]  And they do things like turn the envelope icon on on your phone to make it seem like you have new messages when you don't so that you go in, and I don't know, are they running out of disk space at Verizon or something?
[18:23.380 --> 18:24.220]  Is there some kind of crisis?
[18:25.220 --> 18:26.000]  I don't know.
[18:26.240 --> 18:37.220]  I can't answer that question, obviously, but, you know, it's... you'd think that in today's world of cheap memory, we would be able to do that.
[18:37.220 --> 18:47.280]  I mean, with Jeff Bezos' new, you know, the hard drive is in the cloud, there's got to be a way to do that.
[18:48.300 --> 18:49.980]  We plan on doing it that way.
[18:50.000 --> 18:56.360]  So you guys literally will hold on to the voicemail forever, as long as somebody wants to hold on to it.
[18:57.980 --> 19:03.540]  At this point in our beta cycle, that's certainly what we're doing.
[19:03.540 --> 19:12.920]  And, you know, it's some variation of that will definitely allow you to keep it for life somewhere.
[19:13.440 --> 19:21.180]  One of the features that we now offer as well is the ability to forward your voicemail to Outlook as well.
[19:21.380 --> 19:27.120]  And you can forward one at a time or just have them automatically forward to Outlook.
[19:27.120 --> 19:37.300]  And in future versions, we'll have more synchronicity between the two, more syncing between the two applications.
[19:38.060 --> 19:50.000]  But now we definitely see that as another alternative to saving a voicemail for life, if you have one or two that you want to save off for life.
[19:50.380 --> 19:52.560]  Can you tell us something about the company?
[19:52.560 --> 19:53.760]  How long has it been around for?
[19:54.120 --> 19:55.160]  Where are you based?
[19:55.160 --> 19:56.160]  Yeah, sure.
[19:56.380 --> 19:57.920]  We're based out of Orange County, California.
[19:58.180 --> 20:12.600]  And we are actually a spin-out of a New Zealand-based company called ZECOM, Z-E-A-C-O-M, which is a call center and unified communications company that...
[20:12.600 --> 20:34.420]  Call center software company and unified communications software, where we plug software inside of telephone systems in corporations and then on the back end, hook those telephone systems to CRM applications and do smart things based on caller ID, account information.
[20:35.840 --> 20:44.260]  I mean, everyone's always experienced the frustration of calling Amex and dialing in your 16-digit number.
[20:44.260 --> 20:48.380]  And then, you know, what's the first thing that call center representative asked for?
[20:48.960 --> 20:50.080]  Yeah, why is that?
[20:50.160 --> 20:52.600]  They always ask you for the same information you just typed in.
[20:53.180 --> 20:54.200]  Exactly, exactly.
[20:54.760 --> 21:02.600]  That's a classic example of a company that doesn't have the software that ZECOM manufactures and develops in markets.
[21:02.600 --> 21:19.520]  And so what we... we went through a bit of a blue ocean exercise, scrape up blue ocean strategy, and turned the company on its head and said, you know, let's see what we can do in terms of finding...
[21:19.520 --> 21:25.580]  instead of competing in sort of red, bloody oceans of competition, you know, let's look in new areas.
[21:25.580 --> 21:32.920]  And we went back through a technology and said, you know, maybe some of this can be moved to the cell phone.
[21:33.100 --> 21:44.180]  And that's where it was really sort of an intrapreneurship internal team of guys that started working two jobs within the company.
[21:44.540 --> 21:51.500]  And as of January 2nd this year, we spun off officially into YouMail Incorporated.
[21:51.780 --> 21:53.220]  Oh, you're that young?
[21:53.220 --> 21:54.060]  Only this year?
[21:54.060 --> 21:55.140]  Yep.
[21:55.580 --> 22:01.320]  So we've been incubated for about a year inside of ZECOM.
[22:01.940 --> 22:11.160]  And about six months ago, we... maybe less than that, four months ago, we began testing an alpha version of YouMail.
[22:11.360 --> 22:16.480]  And in early October, launched the beta.
[22:18.500 --> 22:25.100]  And since then, we've been testing with, you know, some small beta users.
[22:25.380 --> 22:28.080]  So I must say that it's growing substantially.
[22:28.400 --> 22:31.120]  Now, you're not related in any way to YouTube, are you?
[22:31.640 --> 22:32.440]  No, we're not.
[22:32.620 --> 22:32.800]  Okay.
[22:33.020 --> 22:39.420]  People ask that question, though, because I guess the most famous company with a U in front of it, but the Y-O-U.
[22:41.080 --> 22:41.560]  But...
[22:41.560 --> 22:41.800]  Yes?
[22:43.020 --> 22:43.780]  No, go ahead.
[22:43.920 --> 22:44.100]  Sorry.
[22:44.340 --> 22:55.540]  Well, it just seems like you have the attitude that's sort of similar to what Gmail offers, where basically, store as much information here, and it'll always be there, always accessible.
[22:56.560 --> 22:59.260]  Do you look to them as some kind of model?
[22:59.260 --> 23:00.520]  We do.
[23:00.720 --> 23:10.880]  And funny enough, you know, sharing the U in YouTube, also the, you know, pass forward the YouTube of voice greetings.
[23:11.160 --> 23:25.680]  I mean, there's really, there's no reason, I mean, we have, there's no reason why our community of users shouldn't be able to publish and share their creativity with each other.
[23:25.680 --> 23:34.640]  And we have, we've had overwhelming response from people saying, you know, hey, you know, when are you guys going to sort of allow me to publish this?
[23:35.700 --> 23:38.260]  And we've just, we have some hilarious ones.
[23:38.380 --> 23:43.400]  I mean, greetings that people, people call up and just want to share with us.
[23:44.440 --> 23:52.180]  Like, the classic is the, the ex-wife greeting that, that goes something like, do, do, do.
[23:52.860 --> 23:55.120]  I'm sorry, this number has been disconnected.
[23:55.680 --> 23:58.000]  And, and then followed by a ditch mail click.
[23:58.520 --> 24:00.860]  And, and so then they can't, they hang up.
[24:01.000 --> 24:08.120]  Now the ditch mail click that you're referring to, basically that's a, that's not a service you offer where you can select people that you don't want to receive messages from.
[24:09.300 --> 24:09.780]  Correct.
[24:10.060 --> 24:10.360]  Correct.
[24:10.680 --> 24:10.880]  Exactly.
[24:11.300 --> 24:25.660]  So they call your phone, your phone rings, you see who's calling, or maybe you don't see who's calling, but, but, um, you, you, they, they, they read your voicemail and they hear your personalized greeting by a click.
[24:26.340 --> 24:26.740]  Wow.
[24:27.220 --> 24:29.760]  That was, early focus group.
[24:30.100 --> 24:37.640]  We had, um, some girls who, who actually coined that term, I must give them credit for, who said, that's perfect.
[24:37.660 --> 24:39.320]  Let's call that ditch mail.
[24:40.880 --> 24:41.240]  Wow.
[24:41.460 --> 24:48.360]  I, I guess it's still at the point where we can have a lot of fun with this because, uh, a lot of people don't know that you can have different greetings for different phone numbers.
[24:48.360 --> 24:57.580]  So you could, you could conceivably make a greeting for somebody where you just basically say, I just want the world to know this person's a real big idiot and I can't stand him.
[24:57.660 --> 25:02.940]  And they're going to think that everybody that calls you is hearing that same message when in actuality it's only them.
[25:02.940 --> 25:05.020]  Um, that could be a lot of fun.
[25:05.100 --> 25:10.340]  You could also, you could also say that you're madly in love with somebody too and get the same kind of, uh, panic.
[25:10.980 --> 25:12.480]  Somebody thinks you're saying that to everybody.
[25:13.160 --> 25:13.560]  Wow.
[25:13.800 --> 25:21.100]  So now tell me something about, uh, how you've grown in the past, uh, I guess, um, year since, since you guys actually began.
[25:21.780 --> 25:26.200]  Yeah, I mean, we, we, um, we really started with, with focus groups.
[25:26.340 --> 25:33.640]  I mean, we wanted to, we wanted to test it before we put our, um, jobs on the line for it, for it.
[25:33.720 --> 25:49.960]  We wanted to see if there was some staying power and, um, of course there was a tremendous positive response, um, with respect to, you know, customization greetings and, and it was sexy and cool and, and, and so forth.
[25:49.960 --> 26:00.860]  But, but, um, we got excited when we started seeing the utility, uh, that, that frankly, both youth and adults, um, expressed.
[26:00.860 --> 26:12.080]  And that was that they, they wanted to have one greeting for unknown colors and or work, but they really wanted another for their family or loved ones.
[26:12.080 --> 26:21.160]  And, and, and, and then, you know, everybody likes to pull pranks on their buddies and, and, and, and that, and that's where the fun came in.
[26:21.260 --> 26:35.260]  But they really, there was that, um, that clear utility of, of having, as, as, as, uh, a growing, increasing number of work-related phone calls come to people's cell phones nowadays.
[26:35.620 --> 26:51.600]  Um, they, they, they wanted to sound professional yet, sort of hang on to, you know, that, that individuality and that self-expression that, that, um, that we all sort of have on our, on our cell phones as voicemail at some point in our life, but eventually have to get rid of when we,
[26:51.640 --> 26:53.020]  sort of, turn corporate.
[26:53.760 --> 26:57.080]  We're, uh, speaking with Ken Brickley of Umail.com.
[26:57.160 --> 26:59.140]  That's Y-O-U-M-A-I-I-L.com, by the way.
[26:59.720 --> 27:04.860]  And, uh, it's a service that allows you to, uh, change the voicemail provider on your cell phone.
[27:05.280 --> 27:06.780]  And a number of us have been playing with this.
[27:06.880 --> 27:10.740]  Mike, I know you've been playing with this system as well, and there are some features that I think you'd like to see.
[27:10.940 --> 27:18.260]  Yeah, well, um, I have to say, I'm, I'm, I've, uh, been using the system for a little while, I guess, since we first mentioned it on the air.
[27:18.260 --> 27:24.640]  Uh, and, uh, the sort of killer feature that you've been talking about of custom greetings, I don't really care for at all.
[27:25.100 --> 27:32.280]  Uh, but I, I do like the service, uh, because it simply does voicemail, uh, without annoying me.
[27:32.440 --> 27:45.360]  It sends the voicemail to my email, so I don't have to, you know, run around, uh, pressing buttons to hear my message, uh, and I can check it on the web and all this stuff, which, uh, is sort of not new technology.
[27:45.360 --> 28:04.200]  A corporate voicemail system certainly have it, but I, I haven't had the option to get it from, you know, from my personal voicemail, uh, until you guys came around, uh, so I think that's very interesting, uh, and I also very much like the idea of not getting messages from certain people.
[28:04.400 --> 28:14.460]  But you wanted, you wanted, tell me if this is possible, Ken, uh, you wanted it to be so that the default was not to get, not to be able to take messages from people, and there'd be exceptions that you would allow through.
[28:14.660 --> 28:15.580]  Is, is such a thing possible?
[28:15.940 --> 28:16.560]  Ah, yeah.
[28:16.920 --> 28:24.680]  Uh, that, that, uh, in fact, I think it might have been used that, that tipped us off to, that being a bug in, in our software.
[28:24.880 --> 28:29.780]  And so we, we thought we could do that, um, and it's just a bug we're, we're ironing out.
[28:29.920 --> 28:34.400]  So in the next, next short period of time, we'll, we'll be fixing that.
[28:34.460 --> 28:38.620]  Because a lot of us are anti-social, and we don't want to take messages from just about everybody in the world.
[28:38.760 --> 28:41.340]  But maybe there's one or two people that will allow to get through.
[28:41.800 --> 28:44.040]  So it would be nice to, it'd be nice to cater to people like us.
[28:44.200 --> 28:46.320]  If my parents can't leave me a message, they'll think I'm dead.
[28:46.480 --> 28:47.800]  Anyone else can send me an email.
[28:48.000 --> 28:49.860]  But your parents have to call from the right number.
[28:50.080 --> 28:51.580]  Otherwise, they're going to get the wrong message.
[28:52.120 --> 28:53.120]  You know what else would be nice?
[28:53.380 --> 29:01.000]  If, if you could have a, uh, a message for people who block their caller ID, not, yeah, people who, so you think you're trying to hide, you're going to hide your number from me.
[29:01.100 --> 29:02.180]  Well, then I'm not going to take your message.
[29:02.300 --> 29:03.220]  You could have something like that.
[29:03.220 --> 29:04.060]  Yeah.
[29:04.300 --> 29:09.060]  We're, we're, we're adding a feature of block caller ID, and then also just simply unknown caller ID.
[29:09.220 --> 29:13.900]  Some, most networks we've learned recently that you can, you actually can tell the difference.
[29:14.120 --> 29:23.500]  And so, um, where we can tell the difference, um, we, you can record one greeting for blocked and another for just, you know, unidentifiable caller ID.
[29:24.020 --> 29:32.720]  And, and, and then that, that third default option for just any, anyone who calls us, not in your address book.
[29:32.860 --> 29:34.280]  How about, uh, overseas numbers?
[29:35.540 --> 29:39.200]  Um, overseas numbers, we are looking at it.
[29:39.360 --> 29:40.380]  It's, it's lower on our list.
[29:40.680 --> 29:50.540]  Um, honestly, we, we, uh, we're finding a lot of overseas caller ID and ends up getting stripped anyway.
[29:50.720 --> 29:51.380]  So it comes through.
[29:51.620 --> 29:56.620]  It's, um, we have a lot of phone calls from New Zealand, obviously, with corporate headquarters down there.
[29:57.040 --> 29:57.580]  So, so.
[29:57.580 --> 29:58.920]  Do they use a service over there?
[29:59.840 --> 30:02.680]  Um, no, right now it's only available in US.
[30:03.060 --> 30:06.240]  Um, sorry, all those Canadians listening.
[30:06.520 --> 30:14.980]  Um, but, um, uh, no, it's only available on the Verizon singular and T-Mobile networks.
[30:15.180 --> 30:23.640]  Uh, we are adding, uh, AMP and Alltel and a couple other smaller providers next year.
[30:23.860 --> 30:26.280]  Now, Bernie, Bernie is on, uh, Sprint PCS.
[30:26.420 --> 30:27.340]  He's on the line as well.
[30:27.420 --> 30:31.180]  Now, uh, I'm sure he's, he's kind of upset to hear that Sprint PCS is not on that list.
[30:31.980 --> 30:32.440]  Hi, Bernie.
[30:32.960 --> 30:33.320]  Hi.
[30:33.600 --> 30:33.820]  Yeah.
[30:34.320 --> 30:39.740]  Uh, this, this, this, that brings, that begs the question, uh, um, why doesn't it work with Sprint PCS?
[30:39.860 --> 30:41.220]  And how does the system work?
[30:41.280 --> 30:45.220]  How do you, how are you able to interconnect with these at wireless change carriers?
[30:45.340 --> 30:46.760]  And I had, I also had a question for you, Ken.
[30:47.240 --> 30:50.760]  Uh, do you have a facility for using wildcards in the specified numbers?
[30:50.800 --> 31:03.760]  Say if I, I would like to have a custom greeting for everyone in a particular, uh, area code or a particular telephone exchange or everything except that, you know, like within a company, if I knew their phone numbers were within a certain range, I could do that.
[31:03.820 --> 31:04.860]  Is that something you're looking at?
[31:05.120 --> 31:05.220]  Yep.
[31:05.720 --> 31:06.800]  Oh, we are actually, Bernie.
[31:06.980 --> 31:08.420]  I think I recognize your name.
[31:08.860 --> 31:14.540]  You might have talked with, uh, uh, Vic, um, uh, tech guy here as well.
[31:14.860 --> 31:18.620]  He, he's, uh, logged that as a future request.
[31:18.980 --> 31:22.100]  And, um, the wildcard is definitely on its way.
[31:22.860 --> 31:27.360]  Um, technically we can work with, with Sprint.
[31:27.540 --> 31:48.940]  Um, and the reason that we don't, and this gets into how we, we do this and, and the reason that we don't work with Sprint right now is because they charge a 30 cent per minute surcharge for call forwarding, um, which is the technology that we use to call forward.
[31:49.100 --> 31:56.800]  Basically your, your, uh, this calls from your current voicemail to call forward to email.
[31:57.140 --> 32:03.200]  And, and we just think that, you know, 30 cent per minute surcharge is onerous, quite frankly.
[32:03.560 --> 32:14.880]  And we don't, we don't want to say that we work with, with Sprint because we don't want Sprint users to get slapped with these, with these charges that are unexpected.
[32:15.380 --> 32:19.600]  And, and, um, and we, we just don't, we don't want to get in the middle of that mess.
[32:19.720 --> 32:22.520]  You know, we've been trying to convince Bernie to drop Sprint now for years.
[32:22.680 --> 32:26.560]  Maybe this is the final reason, Bernie, 30 cents per call.
[32:26.720 --> 32:27.240]  That's insane.
[32:27.460 --> 32:28.540]  Well, this is a challenge.
[32:28.560 --> 32:34.820]  If you know anybody at Sprint that can help us out, we'd love to try and convince them that it's, it's worth their while.
[32:34.960 --> 32:42.380]  I actually hear that there's fewer and fewer people at Sprint by the day because they're hemorrhaging customers and, uh, and thus employees.
[32:42.780 --> 32:43.560]  So, who knows?
[32:43.680 --> 32:47.420]  Well, what do you think the odds of us getting somebody from Sprint to answer our questions next week would be?
[32:49.460 --> 32:56.420]  We'll get Claire, we'll get the customer, uh, automated representative who convinced us to, uh, hit a touchtone or something.
[32:57.100 --> 33:06.120]  They're quite, you know, it's funny is I, I've seen, um, I've seen some executives from Sprint speak on panels and they're quite progressive.
[33:06.340 --> 33:10.640]  I mean, they're doing some stuff technically that, that's leading edge.
[33:10.840 --> 33:20.100]  And, and I think that this is just one of those, you know, one of those things that just sort of got, got caught up in the red tape and it's never been changed.
[33:20.220 --> 33:25.100]  But frankly, they're the only ones that do it, um, uh, that have that surcharge.
[33:25.820 --> 33:30.760]  And, and, uh, it's probably just slipped through the cracks somewhere.
[33:31.660 --> 33:35.980]  So if this works by call forwarding, why doesn't it work with landlines?
[33:37.160 --> 33:38.580]  It does actually.
[33:38.900 --> 33:59.580]  And so if you would like to have a true unified messaging box where your cell phone and your home phone and any other phone for that matter, um, uh, all points to one mailbox, you can use you mail for that, um, for, for, for, for that service, uh, the,
[33:59.720 --> 34:10.380]  the number that you call forward to at this point in time is a, a unique telephone number for each subscriber to you mail.
[34:10.580 --> 34:11.840]  And so that's your number.
[34:11.940 --> 34:14.820]  That's actually a number that you can publish.
[34:15.380 --> 34:29.900]  Um, and, and when you're inside of the application, you can go up to phone setup and, and, and dissect the number from, from the, from the code that you're given to in step one, but you, you, um, that's your number.
[34:30.280 --> 34:37.260]  Uh, you can give that to somebody who you would love to get a message from, but you never, ever want them to bother you on your cell phone.
[34:37.600 --> 34:41.200]  Um, and they can call that number and it's your private number.
[34:42.040 --> 34:47.440]  Um, the, you'll need a cell phone to, to initiate the account.
[34:49.040 --> 34:53.620]  Um, and, uh, via text message.
[34:53.760 --> 35:03.540]  Um, and, and so there's an initial text message that needs to go to your cell phone, but, um, from there forward, you can point your home phone number to the service.
[35:03.700 --> 35:13.400]  And right now we're only, we, we, we've only bought banks of telephone numbers in the 949 and 213 area codes out in California.
[35:13.800 --> 35:25.000]  And, and so it, you know, it might, you know, you have to have a sort of good long distance plan to call forward voicemails from your home to a California number.
[35:25.220 --> 35:29.300]  But in the future, we're planning on, on, on sorting that out.
[35:29.460 --> 35:31.960]  So you, you, you won't have to make that international call.
[35:32.180 --> 35:34.760]  You also are a toll call.
[35:34.900 --> 35:35.000]  Sorry.
[35:35.280 --> 35:40.020]  You also should, uh, eliminate that provision for the text message to a cell phone.
[35:40.020 --> 35:41.200]  Not everyone has a cell phone.
[35:42.200 --> 35:45.100]  Well, how else, how else would they verify that, uh, email?
[35:46.100 --> 35:46.860]  I suppose.
[35:47.040 --> 35:47.900]  Your own home phone?
[35:48.460 --> 35:48.920]  Yeah.
[35:49.200 --> 35:50.380]  We've, we've got the email.
[35:50.780 --> 35:52.140]  We definitely have the email.
[35:52.420 --> 35:54.640]  Um, we've actually just added that as a feature.
[35:54.860 --> 36:08.580]  So when you go under my profile within your email account, um, you can choose to not be text notified and rather be email notified with, or without the actual voicemail attachment.
[36:08.860 --> 36:14.640]  Well, I think what Jim means is initially when you set up the account, uh, you have to get that text message to start the account off.
[36:14.880 --> 36:15.160]  Yeah.
[36:15.320 --> 36:18.980]  And he says, if you don't have a cell phone, then, uh, obviously that's, that's very hard to do.
[36:19.560 --> 36:20.520]  So, uh, yeah.
[36:21.020 --> 36:29.220]  But, uh, I mean, I guess, I guess you could, you could initially set it up with somebody else's cell phone and just forward your number and then they don't have to use it on the cell phone, right?
[36:30.180 --> 36:31.000]  But when did that then?
[36:31.040 --> 36:31.560]  Yeah.
[36:32.460 --> 36:38.140]  What did that then forward all calls that that person gets from their cell phone to my voicemail box?
[36:38.300 --> 36:39.240]  I don't think it would have to.
[36:39.460 --> 36:45.520]  Not if you, not if you actually don't, um, call forward their, their phone.
[36:45.680 --> 36:51.880]  And so the call forwarding process actually takes place by you, uh, on your handset.
[36:52.060 --> 37:10.360]  So you'll type in a, um, uh, like for Verizon, it will be a star seven one code and, and, and that conditionally calls forward when unavailable to X, Y, Z number versus your star eight, six voicemail.
[37:10.700 --> 37:11.100]  Yeah.
[37:11.100 --> 37:18.740]  For instance, I, I had it on, uh, my Verizon wireless account and then I just forwarded my T mobile phone to the same number and now it works on both of them.
[37:18.960 --> 37:21.100]  I got the same voicemail on, on two different phones.
[37:21.220 --> 37:22.700]  You can do the same thing on a landline, I'm pretty sure.
[37:22.700 --> 37:26.060]  But suppose I have a friend, he does not have this account.
[37:26.300 --> 37:29.780]  I use his text messaging to set up an account for my home phone.
[37:29.920 --> 37:34.660]  Can he then use his cell phone to set up his own account with forwarding from his cell phone?
[37:35.140 --> 37:37.060]  Or would the two somehow get, no?
[37:37.700 --> 37:38.180]  No.
[37:38.920 --> 37:39.580]  Not to say.
[37:39.820 --> 37:40.880]  That's another flaw.
[37:41.760 --> 37:42.000]  Yeah.
[37:42.260 --> 37:42.880]  Not yet.
[37:43.140 --> 37:43.280]  Yeah.
[37:43.640 --> 37:44.440]  No, but that's a good.
[37:45.720 --> 37:46.340]  Hey, Ken.
[37:47.060 --> 37:47.540]  Yeah.
[37:47.780 --> 37:48.040]  Go ahead.
[37:48.360 --> 37:49.340]  I had a question.
[37:49.340 --> 38:05.460]  Now, instead of using text messaging, if you could have an option for, uh, landline users who don't, who aren't, uh, wireless carrier subscribers, uh, where, uh, it's a, it's a sort of an interactive voice response system where your system calls back the landline and requires the,
[38:05.620 --> 38:13.860]  uh, the user to enter some, uh, DTMF, uh, you know, touch-tone password or something to confirm it's them that had set this up at this number.
[38:14.260 --> 38:15.140]  Would that be possible?
[38:15.920 --> 38:16.920]  That actually would.
[38:17.040 --> 38:17.780]  That's a good idea.
[38:18.400 --> 38:26.160]  Um, the, the regulation around landline, um, is, is, uh, much looser than cell phone.
[38:26.360 --> 38:37.200]  So, so the way that we actually would do it in a, in a landline scenarios, you just, just ask you in step one, is this for a landline or cell phone?
[38:37.200 --> 38:42.060]  And if it's for a landline, then we'll just send you a, an email code.
[38:42.060 --> 38:48.620]  You have to check your email and then double opt in with, with the email code.
[38:48.740 --> 38:52.480]  And, and, and once, and, and that's how we can do it with landlines.
[38:52.600 --> 38:54.080]  We don't need to use the text message.
[38:54.260 --> 39:01.380]  Well, I feel I should step in and bring up, uh, something which perhaps might be a little bit unpleasant, but right now, uh, you mail is in beta and it doesn't cost anything.
[39:01.880 --> 39:07.480]  I can't imagine how you guys can survive unless you start charging someone, some, something along the line.
[39:07.580 --> 39:08.380]  How is that going to work?
[39:09.220 --> 39:10.420]  How's, why is that unpleasant?
[39:11.060 --> 39:20.100]  Uh, well, I mean, the fact that we're all using the service right now, or some of us using the service, uh, we're, we're, we're happy that we're not paying any more for our cell phone bills.
[39:20.580 --> 39:22.960]  Um, so we have, I have to wonder what happens next.
[39:23.340 --> 39:23.580]  Yeah.
[39:23.760 --> 39:24.520]  Good, good, good question.
[39:24.660 --> 39:34.980]  I mean, what we want to do is find a, a model, um, that likely will be, uh, be, be tied into content.
[39:35.420 --> 39:40.880]  So, um, I don't know, what's your favorite, um, recent move?
[39:40.920 --> 39:48.240]  I mean, you've, you've advised people on, on, uh, uh, you've advised Hollywood on, on movies.
[39:48.240 --> 39:55.260]  I, I know that much where pick a, pick a favorite movie you have, um, whatever it is.
[39:55.520 --> 39:58.280]  I might say it's Animal House, or I, I don't know, whatever.
[39:58.600 --> 40:06.240]  Bart, you know, you want a Homer Simpson, um, clip, and you want Homer Simpson to play for, for your brother when he calls you.
[40:06.460 --> 40:21.500]  Um, uh, the, the content play here would, would, um, would involve you just the same way you, you buy ringback tones or ringtones, um, and, and we clip a percentage of that.
[40:21.680 --> 40:25.320]  And, uh, we work with Hollywood and, and content providers that way.
[40:25.460 --> 40:44.180]  And that way, you know, if you want to participate in, in the model, uh, if you want to participate in purchasing content and, and having that content, um, tailored specific for each of your callers, um, you can do that, not, um, you continue using the free service,
[40:44.460 --> 40:59.740]  uh, will likely be some sort of advertisements, um, uh, wrapped into, um, your, your, your experience, um, probably only your online experience, but we're, we're experimenting with that right now.
[41:00.400 --> 41:01.160]  Um, but...
[41:01.160 --> 41:03.500]  So, so ads on a website is what you're saying, basically.
[41:03.760 --> 41:15.960]  Yeah, I can, I can guarantee you that we're, I mean, our privacy policy is, is that where we're not selling your information, any of your information to third parties.
[41:16.280 --> 41:22.260]  Um, and, and so that will not be part of our revenue model.
[41:22.640 --> 41:27.740]  Now, now along the same lines of, of selling the data, how long, how long do you retain the data for?
[41:27.820 --> 41:33.120]  Now, let's say I get, you know, I have 500 voice messages in my account and I decide to delete half of them.
[41:33.320 --> 41:34.260]  Would, would you retain them?
[41:34.340 --> 41:38.940]  Obviously you're going to have backups of your system, but how long after that would you retain the records?
[41:40.160 --> 41:41.460]  Uh, it's a good question.
[41:41.840 --> 41:43.560]  Uh, we haven't written the policy yet.
[41:44.280 --> 41:45.180]  So, um...
[41:45.180 --> 41:45.860]  Well, we can help.
[41:46.560 --> 41:47.320]  Yeah, really?
[41:47.480 --> 41:47.660]  Okay.
[41:47.800 --> 41:49.220]  Well, I'm all ears.
[41:49.780 --> 41:54.820]  Uh, the, the, uh, likely it'll be for some period of time.
[41:55.020 --> 42:07.960]  I mean, we're, we're, um, uh, but, but, um, I believe we're backing up on a, uh, almost, and we've, we've got data as up to the minute.
[42:08.340 --> 42:13.020]  Um, so, so it's, it's, um, uh, it's a good question.
[42:13.200 --> 42:13.960]  I don't know.
[42:14.740 --> 42:15.140]  Okay.
[42:15.580 --> 42:16.020]  Go ahead, Bernie.
[42:16.520 --> 42:28.640]  A related question, uh, a related question, uh, Ken, uh, along those lines, um, are there any compliance issues you've, uh, you've run into or expect to run into with, uh, with CALEA, the, uh, Communications Act for Law Enforcement Assistance?
[42:28.740 --> 42:33.140]  I would imagine that law enforcement would like to have access to all these messages at some point in time.
[42:33.140 --> 42:40.400]  Have you been approached by law enforcement or are there any CALEA, CALEA-compliant issues that you might have to be responsible for, uh, following?
[42:41.040 --> 42:42.060]  It's a good question.
[42:42.280 --> 42:43.400]  We haven't been approached.
[42:44.040 --> 43:00.200]  And, um, frankly, um, we're certainly not going to hand over our databases or access to our database to anyone, um, without, uh, A, talking to our lawyers and, B, court order of some sort.
[43:00.480 --> 43:04.060]  And then our lawyers in the court can talk about that sort of thing.
[43:04.400 --> 43:07.040]  So that's really my response.
[43:07.540 --> 43:12.280]  Uh, I... Okay, so no worse, no worse than any other carrier that would have a voicemail system.
[43:12.960 --> 43:15.960]  Um, and that also brings up another question as far as the content goes.
[43:16.340 --> 43:19.120]  Would you, uh, envision anything that does any voice recognition?
[43:19.180 --> 43:23.540]  Suppose I'm having a conversation with someone about, uh, about strawberry jam.
[43:23.740 --> 43:27.300]  And then, uh, then I would get an email advertisement from smuckers.
[43:27.540 --> 43:34.620]  Would that be a possible, uh, possible... Bernie, you know, while Ken here, I know Ken's not going to do something like that.
[43:34.720 --> 43:37.860]  Probably people are listening who do have that power and you've just given them ideas.
[43:38.780 --> 43:42.440]  No, but that's... Bernie, uh, you want a job?
[43:44.260 --> 43:45.160]  It's a good idea.
[43:45.300 --> 43:46.180]  I mean, that's a great idea.
[43:46.680 --> 43:48.260]  Uh, no, we don't have any place.
[43:49.120 --> 43:55.180]  Now, if I remember correctly, it says somewhere in your privacy policy that you do release the data to certain companies that help you run your service.
[43:55.380 --> 43:57.060]  Can you tell us which companies those are?
[43:58.420 --> 44:02.120]  Uh, just third-party independent companies that you'd never have heard of.
[44:02.600 --> 44:05.240]  Well, what, what do these companies do?
[44:06.300 --> 44:14.220]  Oh, um, design databases and, and web pages and that sort of thing.
[44:14.760 --> 44:16.060]  So why would they need to know?
[44:16.060 --> 44:16.280]  Exactly.
[44:17.520 --> 44:36.780]  Uh, they won't want me to know, but I mean, not individual information, but, um, um, are the, obviously handling data, designing databases, database schemas, work, you know, working, looking at the data to make sure that the data is the right data as we move from one system to another,
[44:36.980 --> 44:37.540]  that sort of thing.
[44:37.760 --> 44:38.000]  Okay.
[44:38.120 --> 44:38.340]  Okay.
[44:38.380 --> 44:39.960]  We're speaking with, uh, Ken Brickley.
[44:40.180 --> 44:43.120]  Uh, actually, Ken, what, what is your position at, uh, email?
[44:43.120 --> 44:44.920]  I'm co-founder and, and head of marketing.
[44:45.120 --> 44:46.020]  Co-founder, head of marketing.
[44:46.120 --> 44:46.580]  Okay, great.
[44:46.820 --> 44:57.960]  And, uh, uh, you mail is a service that allows you to set your voicemail, uh, have a personalized greetings, use it on your, on your cell phone instead of the carrier's voicemail system that you have now.
[44:58.380 --> 45:05.260]  Uh, and, uh, we'll be opening up the phone lines for any questions that you might have for Ken, 212-209-2900.
[45:05.720 --> 45:09.640]  Uh, first, a couple other items that I, I think we should, uh, get into very quickly.
[45:10.180 --> 45:12.740]  Um, all right, Jim, you've got, you've got some announcements.
[45:12.740 --> 45:27.180]  Tomorrow, tomorrow night, another, uh, one of those public demonstrations of the voting systems that the city of New York is considering, uh, between, uh, 5 and 9 p.m., get there earlier, at Fordham University, Lincoln Center Campus, Generoso Pope Hall.
[45:27.480 --> 45:30.120]  That's 113 West 60th Street.
[45:30.320 --> 45:32.300]  That's near the Columbus Circle subway station.
[45:32.880 --> 45:35.400]  113 West 60th Street, 5 to 9 p.m.
[45:35.740 --> 45:37.780]  tomorrow, Generoso Pope Hall, Fordham University.
[45:38.200 --> 45:44.280]  Demonstration of the electronic and optical scan voting systems under consideration by the Board of Elections of the City of New York.
[45:44.880 --> 45:53.860]  Okay, and it's definitely, uh, worthwhile showing up with these things and learning how to, uh, how these, uh, machines are put together, asking some questions, some pointed questions, and just, uh, spreading the word.
[45:54.500 --> 45:58.320]  Um, our email address, as always, is OTH at 2600.com.
[45:58.400 --> 46:05.220]  We got a very interesting piece of email, uh, last week, uh, concerning, uh, our favorite, uh, phone company, Verizon Wireless.
[46:05.500 --> 46:06.780]  Uh, and it reads like this.
[46:06.780 --> 46:12.560]  Since you guys are always interested in odd things, try dialing this phone number from a Verizon Wireless phone.
[46:13.240 --> 46:14.260]  Pound door.
[46:14.660 --> 46:17.400]  That's pound three, six, six, seven.
[46:18.040 --> 46:21.260]  Uh, this is intended for Verizon Wireless employees.
[46:21.260 --> 46:23.100]  We just thought you might find it interesting.
[46:23.480 --> 46:24.220]  Love the show.
[46:24.340 --> 46:25.020]  Keep up the good work.
[46:25.120 --> 46:25.620]  Well, you know what?
[46:25.720 --> 46:27.740]  We did dial pound door.
[46:28.340 --> 46:37.220]  And, uh, after a lot of, um, commotion and, and complications, we figured out a way to record the, uh, the, the cell phone and, uh, play it over the air.
[46:37.340 --> 46:42.240]  And this is what happens when you dial pound door from a Verizon Wireless phone.
[46:42.420 --> 46:42.800]  Listen up.
[46:45.140 --> 46:47.960]  To the Verizon Wireless knock IVR.
[46:48.140 --> 46:51.300]  For the automated intrusion system, select zero.
[46:52.080 --> 46:54.620]  For Bedminster knock, select one.
[46:55.040 --> 46:57.640]  For Southlake knock, select two.
[46:58.320 --> 47:00.680]  For ACAC, select three.
[47:01.120 --> 47:03.660]  For vendor access, select five.
[47:04.020 --> 47:07.220]  For subpoena and court order, select nine.
[47:07.640 --> 47:09.740]  To disconnect, select star.
[47:11.660 --> 47:13.260]  I'd like a subpoena, please.
[47:14.980 --> 47:17.680]  Transferring to subpoena and court orders.
[47:25.450 --> 47:28.950]  The Verizon Wireless subpoena and court order processing group.
[47:29.150 --> 47:31.210]  This call may be monitored at any time.
[47:31.490 --> 47:35.830]  If this is a 9-1-1 or life-threatening emergency, press four now.
[47:36.330 --> 47:39.710]  Otherwise, please listen to the following and then select from the menu.
[47:39.970 --> 47:44.890]  We are unable to provide any information on our customers without proper legal process.
[47:45.210 --> 47:56.790]  If you are a customer calling to request records or assistance on your account, please hang up and call customer service at 1-800-922-0204.
[47:57.490 --> 48:00.550]  Press one to hear our mailing address and fax numbers.
[48:00.910 --> 48:03.510]  Press two for subpoenas and search warrants.
[48:04.050 --> 48:06.230]  Press three for court ordered surveillances.
[48:07.010 --> 48:10.730]  Press four for 9-1-1 or other life-threatening emergencies only.
[48:11.110 --> 48:13.290]  This announcement will repeat itself shortly.
[48:16.320 --> 48:19.020]  You have reached the court order compliance mailbox.
[48:19.420 --> 48:24.600]  Please leave a message including your name, callback number, and the agency you are calling from.
[48:24.760 --> 48:27.100]  Your message will be returned as soon as possible.
[48:27.620 --> 48:28.700]  At the tone...
[48:28.700 --> 48:31.940]  Okay, well that's about where we hung up because we figured we didn't want to leave a message there.
[48:32.260 --> 48:34.860]  Uh, I'm gonna ask Bernie, what do you, what do you think we found there?
[48:34.860 --> 48:36.160]  I think that's great.
[48:36.300 --> 48:42.380]  This is gonna wreak havoc with the, uh, the whole department that handles, uh, handles court ordered wiretaps at Verizon.
[48:42.740 --> 48:52.720]  Um, I hope as many people listening to this show call that number and leave messages expressing their concern about, uh, about Verizon's, uh, uh, cooperating with law enforcement.
[48:52.800 --> 48:56.840]  They have to do that, but that doesn't mean people can't be upset about it and express their outrage.
[48:57.000 --> 48:58.620]  Why do you think it's called Pound Door?
[48:59.880 --> 49:01.140]  Or is that just a coincidence?
[49:02.840 --> 49:03.600]  I don't know.
[49:03.600 --> 49:04.640]  That's, uh, that's something.
[49:04.760 --> 49:04.980]  Yes, Jim.
[49:05.080 --> 49:07.940]  Because when you serve a subpoena, you pound on the door.
[49:07.940 --> 49:10.160]  I guess, yeah, maybe that's, that's what it's all about.
[49:10.340 --> 49:13.360]  That's, they have a good sense of humor down there at Verizon.
[49:13.580 --> 49:15.320]  Did you try calling the, the Knox?
[49:15.460 --> 49:16.120]  There were two Knox?
[49:16.520 --> 49:17.300]  Bedminster was one.
[49:17.480 --> 49:20.340]  I, I, I, uh, I forget the name of the other city, but... Southlake or something?
[49:20.540 --> 49:21.300]  Where are these places?
[49:21.360 --> 49:21.520]  I don't know.
[49:21.520 --> 49:21.940]  Are they significant?
[49:22.060 --> 49:22.460]  Does anybody know?
[49:22.580 --> 49:24.420]  Bedminster is somewhere in Westchester County.
[49:24.420 --> 49:25.040]  I know that much.
[49:25.040 --> 49:25.800]  But it could be anywhere.
[49:25.880 --> 49:26.780]  There could be more than one.
[49:26.860 --> 49:27.260]  That's true.
[49:27.400 --> 49:28.620]  Well, they'll be getting a lot of calls, I'm sure.
[49:28.740 --> 49:31.940]  And I'm, I'm certain by next week at this time, Pound Door will no longer work.
[49:32.000 --> 49:34.000]  Try to record this and send us your recordings.
[49:34.260 --> 49:36.360]  But this only works if you're a Verizon Wireless customer.
[49:36.600 --> 49:40.440]  If you dial Pound Door from Sprint or, or, uh, T-Mobile, I don't think it's going to work.
[49:40.540 --> 49:41.200]  Have we tried?
[49:41.500 --> 49:42.100]  Uh, of course.
[49:42.320 --> 49:42.880]  Try everything.
[49:43.060 --> 49:46.240]  But there must be a corresponding 800 number or something that goes along with that.
[49:47.080 --> 49:49.240]  Uh, so, uh, Ken, you don't have a number like that, do you?
[49:50.040 --> 49:50.820]  No, we don't.
[49:50.960 --> 49:54.880]  But you, you were kind enough to point out our blah, blah, blah.
[49:57.140 --> 49:57.740]  Oh, yes.
[49:57.820 --> 49:58.200]  Last week.
[49:58.360 --> 49:59.100]  Please leave that.
[49:59.740 --> 50:00.620]  Is that still there?
[50:01.280 --> 50:02.280]  I think it is.
[50:02.620 --> 50:03.080]  We're, we're.
[50:03.460 --> 50:05.100]  We were rolling on the floor laughing.
[50:05.280 --> 50:06.100]  I mean, what can you do?
[50:06.300 --> 50:06.460]  Yeah.
[50:07.640 --> 50:08.020]  Wow.
[50:08.080 --> 50:17.200]  That was, uh, of course, uh, Ken's referring to a recording we found inside the voicemail system that apparently was, uh, not finished and, uh, simply had, uh, blah, blah, blah.com, uh, listed.
[50:17.620 --> 50:18.360]  Uh, okay.
[50:18.620 --> 50:21.920]  Uh, a bit of, uh, troubling news that we want to share with people as well.
[50:22.160 --> 50:24.640]  Turns out, uh, we got the news last Friday.
[50:25.480 --> 50:28.100]  Uh, a very disturbing headline.
[50:29.200 --> 50:32.920]  Historic, uh, historic, uh, hotel Pennsylvania set to be demolished.
[50:33.180 --> 50:34.080]  Not kidding here.
[50:34.200 --> 50:51.200]  The hotel where we have our conferences once every couple of years apparently is in the crosshairs of a real estate company that wants to build a brand new, nice, sleek, and shiny office building with, uh, five trading floors for stockbrokers so they don't have to travel all the way down to Wall Street,
[50:51.200 --> 50:57.600]  where we are right now, and ironically enough, um, this is something that really, uh, distresses me for many reasons.
[50:57.600 --> 51:00.100]  One, of course, obviously, that's where we have the conference.
[51:00.100 --> 51:01.320]  It's a great location.
[51:01.500 --> 51:05.680]  It's, uh, it's an affordable place for most people coming from far away.
[51:06.380 --> 51:07.860]  Well, compared to other... And for us.
[51:07.980 --> 51:12.340]  Yeah, compared to other places in the city, and you'll soon see it's, uh, it's quite affordable.
[51:12.620 --> 51:15.180]  But also, mostly, the history of the building.
[51:15.400 --> 51:26.300]  It was, uh, uh, the place where, I think, grandparents of ours would hang out and, and watch big band, and, and people of all sorts would stay there because it's so centrally located.
[51:26.300 --> 51:27.680]  And, yeah, you know what?
[51:27.780 --> 51:36.260]  It's, it, I guess it's a little bit outmoded for today's, uh, overly obese traveler that needs every single comfort brought to their room at all times.
[51:36.660 --> 51:37.720]  It's a bit basic.
[51:37.860 --> 51:46.540]  It's a bit no frills, but it's, um, it's historical, and I really hope that enough people out there care to stand up and, uh, and say something.
[51:46.540 --> 51:51.340]  It also is home for one of the oldest phone numbers in the world, Pennsylvania 6-5000.
[51:51.620 --> 51:53.520]  In fact, that's where the song comes from.
[51:53.520 --> 51:54.620]  It's that particular hotel.
[51:55.140 --> 52:01.700]  Bernie, I know you, you, uh, was it you who had a crazy story about something you found in a trap door in your room last time you were there?
[52:02.960 --> 52:12.380]  Oh, yeah, we found some graffiti, and, uh, and there's a, I had to serve a large room last time, which I was using for storage for some of the people who were displaying their wares at the Hope Conference.
[52:12.820 --> 52:21.060]  And, uh, um, uh, the prophet and I found this, uh, found this, this door high up on the wall, and we couldn't help but pry it open.
[52:21.060 --> 52:29.780]  And, uh, there was graffiti from back, like, in the, like, the 30s and 40s that people had written on, uh, on this metal plate.
[52:30.020 --> 52:41.140]  So we had to add our own graffiti, and, uh, along with some, uh, domain names that we wanted them to visit in, you know, in the year 2050, or hopefully the thing is still standing by then.
[52:41.320 --> 52:47.520]  My, my dear aunt, who's 83 years old, by the way, had her honeymoon at the Hotel Pennsylvania in 1945.
[52:47.940 --> 52:52.220]  And she has fond memories of, uh, being in the ballroom, listening to the Glenn Miller Orchestra.
[52:52.740 --> 53:03.500]  And, uh, I really hope that, uh, people call this company called Vornado, sounds like Tornado, Vornado Realty Trust, and urges them to reconsider tearing down the Hotel Pennsylvania.
[53:04.020 --> 53:07.200]  It's going to look like a tornado if, uh, if they actually do that.
[53:07.200 --> 53:08.260]  It'll be a horrible thing, too.
[53:08.440 --> 53:09.380]  And just think about it.
[53:09.440 --> 53:15.320]  You have a building now that holds something like 2,000 different hotel rooms, where people from all over the world come and stay.
[53:15.820 --> 53:21.560]  And they want to change that to an office building that no doubt will have a security firm keeping anybody from going in.
[53:22.100 --> 53:22.680]  I don't know.
[53:22.740 --> 53:25.340]  It might be convenient for some executives, but it'll be a real loss for the city.
[53:25.600 --> 53:29.240]  Uh, if you're interested in being a part of this, we set up a special email address.
[53:29.460 --> 53:30.460]  Uh, this is just beginning.
[53:30.700 --> 53:33.720]  Hopefully we'll be able to start some sort of campaign to, uh, draw attention to this.
[53:34.200 --> 53:36.740]  Hotel at 2600.com is the email address.
[53:37.000 --> 53:42.220]  Um, if, if you happen to be a high-ranking executive at Vornado or something and you want to help us, uh, email us.
[53:42.220 --> 53:45.940]  If you're just a, uh, a person on the street who wants to help us as well, email us.
[53:46.160 --> 53:48.300]  We're going to collect names and hopefully do something.
[53:48.460 --> 53:50.560]  The odds are tremendously against us, I know.
[53:51.300 --> 53:53.240]  And, uh, a lot of people don't seem to care.
[53:53.460 --> 53:55.040]  But, uh, let's see what we can do anyway.
[53:55.260 --> 53:56.900]  Okay, we only have a couple of minutes for phone calls.
[53:57.000 --> 53:58.540]  212-209-2900.
[53:58.720 --> 54:04.760]  We've got, um, Ken from, uh, um, you mail.com on, uh, on the phone right now talking with us.
[54:04.860 --> 54:07.360]  Uh, so any feedback or questions you have would be most welcome.
[54:07.460 --> 54:09.720]  But we only have a couple of minutes, so let's see who's out there.
[54:09.740 --> 54:10.060]  Good evening.
[54:10.200 --> 54:11.120]  You're on, off the hook.
[54:11.200 --> 54:11.420]  Go ahead.
[54:12.700 --> 54:14.460]  You have, uh, very bad connection there.
[54:15.380 --> 54:16.420]  Hey, hey, hey.
[54:16.640 --> 54:16.960]  There you are.
[54:17.740 --> 54:18.060]  Hey.
[54:18.280 --> 54:18.880]  What's on your mind?
[54:20.320 --> 54:20.640]  Hello?
[54:20.820 --> 54:22.640]  Yes, please stop saying hey and say something else.
[54:23.100 --> 54:23.680]  Oh, how you doing?
[54:23.720 --> 54:25.680]  Listen, how come you didn't talk about the iPhone?
[54:26.680 --> 54:28.580]  You know, there's only so many minutes and an hour.
[54:29.140 --> 54:31.400]  I'm sure, I'm sure the show after us will talk about the iPhone.
[54:33.220 --> 54:35.540]  Okay, you know what, we're going to go somewhere else because we already hurt ourselves.
[54:35.760 --> 54:36.080]  Good evening.
[54:36.160 --> 54:36.780]  You're on, off the hook.
[54:36.780 --> 54:38.140]  Yeah, um...
[54:38.140 --> 54:40.240]  Hi, the documentary's almost done.
[54:40.540 --> 54:40.880]  Good.
[54:41.080 --> 54:42.560]  We're in the post-production process.
[54:42.700 --> 54:42.900]  Uh-huh.
[54:43.000 --> 54:47.100]  And, um, we'll be, uh, giving it out at the 2600 meeting next week.
[54:47.280 --> 54:49.140]  Well, there is no 2600 meeting next week, Rebel.
[54:49.300 --> 54:51.120]  There's one next month, but hopefully we'll see you there.
[54:51.240 --> 54:53.380]  And I look forward to seeing, to seeing that.
[54:53.780 --> 54:54.440]  Um, okay.
[54:54.940 --> 54:55.480]  And good evening.
[54:55.580 --> 54:56.580]  You're on...
[54:56.580 --> 54:57.640]  Oh, we lost somebody.
[54:57.800 --> 54:58.380]  Who did we lose?
[54:58.520 --> 54:59.060]  Did we lose Ken?
[54:59.340 --> 55:00.180]  Next in order, right?
[55:00.540 --> 55:01.920]  No, we lost it.
[55:06.780 --> 55:07.700]  Okay, we have dial tones, too.
[55:07.820 --> 55:11.680]  Well, you know, it might be just as well because we're almost out of time, but unfortunately we won't be able to reach Ken again.
[55:12.160 --> 55:16.220]  So, uh, he won't be able to answer questions if, uh, people call in with questions.
[55:16.320 --> 55:17.040]  Let's see who's on the air.
[55:17.840 --> 55:19.280]  Why are we getting dial tones all the time?
[55:19.980 --> 55:20.540]  Good evening.
[55:20.700 --> 55:21.260]  You're on, off the hook.
[55:22.300 --> 55:22.820]  Go ahead.
[55:24.000 --> 55:25.920]  The government staged 9-11.
[55:27.480 --> 55:30.500]  You know, this person called off the wall last night.
[55:30.600 --> 55:31.740]  They said the same thing and hung up.
[55:32.080 --> 55:33.860]  It's the Saudi government that staged 9-11.
[55:33.860 --> 55:36.860]  Well, you know, I just would like people to stay on a little longer and explain themselves.
[55:36.920 --> 55:37.300]  Good evening.
[55:37.480 --> 55:38.420]  You're on, off the hook.
[55:38.920 --> 55:39.480]  Oh, my God.
[55:39.600 --> 55:40.460]  Weird people tonight.
[55:40.580 --> 55:41.300]  What's going on?
[55:41.380 --> 55:42.400]  Is it a full moon or something?
[55:42.420 --> 55:43.340]  There's a comet out tonight.
[55:43.340 --> 55:44.060]  I don't know that much.
[55:44.160 --> 55:45.460]  I didn't get to see it, but there's a comet.
[55:45.540 --> 55:46.500]  Maybe that's got something to do with it.
[55:46.600 --> 55:46.780]  Yeah.
[55:47.040 --> 55:48.020]  Well, here's a normal guy.
[55:48.100 --> 55:50.000]  Go to Havana and Cuba, you bunch of commies.
[55:50.120 --> 55:52.000]  You know, you had the last word last year.
[55:52.640 --> 55:55.240]  We thought, uh, maybe we'd get a pleasant call for once.
[55:55.280 --> 55:57.920]  You know, I, I, I, Emmanuel and I were in Havana.
[55:58.080 --> 55:58.360]  We were.
[55:58.540 --> 56:00.000]  It's hardly a threat, really.
[56:00.000 --> 56:01.200]  No, it's, it's a very nice place.
[56:01.200 --> 56:04.580]  We, we, we think people should go to Havana and, uh, and enjoy themselves.
[56:05.140 --> 56:05.720]  Uh, okay.
[56:05.800 --> 56:07.160]  This is the last call I'm going to try.
[56:07.440 --> 56:07.780]  Good evening.
[56:07.960 --> 56:08.860]  You're on, off the hook.
[56:09.040 --> 56:11.480]  Government staged, uh, December 7th.
[56:12.240 --> 56:12.480]  What?
[56:13.400 --> 56:14.460]  Oh, that's true, too.
[56:14.960 --> 56:15.880]  The calendar was...
[56:15.880 --> 56:16.320]  It's just like a nightmare.
[56:16.440 --> 56:17.960]  The calendar was created by a Pope.
[56:18.040 --> 56:18.380]  Good evening.
[56:18.480 --> 56:19.200]  You're on, off the hook.
[56:19.620 --> 56:19.980]  Hello.
[56:20.260 --> 56:20.520]  Hi.
[56:20.600 --> 56:21.160]  You sound normal.
[56:21.560 --> 56:21.840]  Yeah.
[56:22.140 --> 56:22.400]  Okay.
[56:22.480 --> 56:25.160]  Well, you only have 30 seconds, so what's on your mind?
[56:25.240 --> 56:25.420]  All right.
[56:25.780 --> 56:28.920]  No, then I can't talk, but I just want to say happy new year.
[56:29.380 --> 56:34.000]  And everybody, buy a track phone, because I am, and I'd stop using Verizon.
[56:34.440 --> 56:34.680]  Okay.
[56:34.700 --> 56:35.820]  Well, that's a, that's a good thing.
[56:36.040 --> 56:36.220]  All right.
[56:36.260 --> 56:36.520]  Bye-bye.
[56:36.900 --> 56:39.900]  Thanks for calling, and, uh, thanks for sounding somewhat sane.
[56:44.020 --> 56:51.280]  And, of course, we're going to go out on, uh, a high note from Glenn Miller with the song that, uh, that, it's not funny.
[56:51.480 --> 56:52.920]  It's, uh, it's a very serious matter.
[56:53.960 --> 56:58.480]  This is a song all about the, uh, famous phone number, the most famous phone number in the world.
[56:58.580 --> 57:01.340]  And, of course, we all know what that number is, don't we?
[57:03.940 --> 57:05.580]  Pennsylvania 6-5-000.
[57:06.340 --> 57:06.700]  Okay.
[57:06.840 --> 57:10.620]  Email us, uh, at O-T-H at 2600.com if you have feedback on the show.
[57:10.700 --> 57:14.180]  If you want to get involved in the fight to save Hotel Pennsylvania, hotel at 2600.com.
[57:14.600 --> 57:18.500]  If you want to find out about the iPhone, I guess you've got to stay tuned to the Personal Computer Show coming up next.
[57:19.160 --> 57:20.100]  We'll see you next week.
[57:20.400 --> 57:20.660]  Good night.
[57:21.240 --> 57:21.360]  Good night.
[58:55.190 --> 58:55.550]  Good night.
[58:55.570 --> 58:58.110]  Pennsylvania 6-5-0-0-0.
[59:53.090 --> 59:57.250]  Okay, and you're listening to WBAI, New York 99.5 FM.
[59:57.690 --> 59:58.990]  I love that song, man.
[59:59.070 --> 01:00:00.090]  These guys, man, they're great.
[01:00:00.190 --> 01:00:01.290]  They played some great music.
[01:00:01.770 --> 01:00:03.630]  Those guys are off the hook, I tell you.
[01:00:03.630 --> 01:00:03.770]  A game of a game of a game of a game of a game that 정도 тех just makes it talk.
[01:00:03.770 --> 01:00:03.930]  The player should be like a menu of a game, so you can make it kalian incorporated into a game of a game of a game of a game of that game.
[01:00:03.930 --> 01:00:04.090]  Thank you.