[00:00.000 --> 00:03.020]  A form of autism filed a complaint with the U.S.
[00:03.220 --> 00:09.880]  Equal Employment Opportunity Commission last week, and activists are awaiting a response from both Nick Virgis and McDonald's.
[00:10.000 --> 00:14.080]  Reporting from Berkeley for Free Speech Radio News, I'm Africa Jones.
[00:22.930 --> 00:25.590]  You've been listening to Free Speech Radio News.
[00:25.770 --> 00:29.690]  From Pacifica Station, KPFK in L.A., I'm Laura Bogado.
[00:34.760 --> 00:37.740]  And you're listening to Radio Station WBAI in New York.
[00:37.920 --> 00:39.880]  The time is 7 o'clock.
[00:39.880 --> 00:43.040]  Time, once again, for an exciting edition of Off the Hook.
[00:46.820 --> 00:51.340]  The telephone keeps ringing, so I ripped it off the wall.
[00:52.260 --> 00:56.860]  I cut myself while shaving, now I can't make a call.
[00:57.440 --> 00:59.680]  We couldn't get much worse.
[01:02.480 --> 01:05.100]  Bum-diddly-bump for the best, it's made the worst.
[01:05.660 --> 01:07.620]  I hope that's understood.
[01:07.840 --> 01:08.680]  Bum-diddly-bump!
[02:32.830 --> 02:33.910]  And good evening to everybody.
[02:33.970 --> 02:35.470]  The program is off the hook.
[02:35.790 --> 02:38.250]  Manuel Goldstein here with you on this Wednesday evening.
[02:38.790 --> 02:41.010]  We're all pandemonians breaking loose, as always.
[02:41.850 --> 02:42.910]  Greetings to everybody.
[02:43.170 --> 02:45.330]  We have a studio full of people.
[02:45.970 --> 02:52.410]  I'm sorry, we're just trying to arrange some other guests coming in on the telephone line.
[02:52.410 --> 02:54.430]  And on the telephone line joining us right now is Bernie S.
[02:54.490 --> 02:54.870]  from Philadelphia.
[02:55.050 --> 02:55.490]  Bernie, are you there?
[02:56.010 --> 02:57.010]  Good evening from Philadelphia.
[02:57.130 --> 02:59.030]  I'm finally recovered from the Hope Conference.
[02:59.510 --> 03:01.610]  At what point did you realize that you were recovered?
[03:02.150 --> 03:04.650]  It took me about a week, really.
[03:04.910 --> 03:05.170]  Uh-huh.
[03:05.970 --> 03:06.670]  Is that so?
[03:07.010 --> 03:09.790]  Okay, well, I'm actually, I'm trying to get somebody else on the phone.
[03:09.790 --> 03:14.830]  So what I'm going to do is ask the people in the studio to self-introduce themselves while I make the phone call.
[03:14.950 --> 03:19.070]  Because, actually, Mike's not here this week, so I've got to make the phone calls myself.
[03:19.830 --> 03:21.790]  And we're about to get somebody else on the phone line.
[03:21.870 --> 03:25.770]  So why don't we start from left to right and take it from there?
[03:26.210 --> 03:27.350]  Wait, your left or...
[03:27.350 --> 03:27.970]  My left.
[03:28.250 --> 03:29.070]  It doesn't matter.
[03:29.130 --> 03:29.930]  The studio can't see.
[03:30.010 --> 03:30.970]  The studio audience can't see.
[03:31.050 --> 03:32.030]  So I'm pointing over there.
[03:32.610 --> 03:33.210]  Good evening.
[03:33.310 --> 03:33.710]  I'm Rob T.
[03:33.810 --> 03:34.110]  Firefly.
[03:35.130 --> 03:36.050]  I'm not Kevin.
[03:36.230 --> 03:36.370]  Hey.
[03:36.550 --> 03:39.470]  I'll take a little bit longer because it's going to take me a while to pick up the phone and dial.
[03:39.710 --> 03:40.570]  I'm Rob T.
[03:41.570 --> 03:41.930]  Firefly.
[03:43.930 --> 03:46.070]  Hello, I'm Dot Red.
[03:47.990 --> 03:49.210]  And I'm Render Man.
[03:49.570 --> 03:50.430]  You said it too fast.
[03:50.810 --> 03:52.870]  I'm everyone's favorite Floridian, A-Team.
[03:54.270 --> 03:55.310]  Hey, it's Mark S.
[03:57.710 --> 03:58.390]  Oh, hey, Greg.
[03:58.410 --> 04:00.730]  Okay, folks, I was hoping you might have something more to say than that.
[04:00.990 --> 04:02.350]  Well, what else do you want?
[04:04.190 --> 04:07.070]  You may have met me at the last Hope Conference.
[04:07.070 --> 04:09.250]  I was running the segues, so that's me.
[04:10.290 --> 04:11.550]  And a fine job you did.
[04:11.790 --> 04:12.550]  Thank you, thank you.
[04:12.610 --> 04:13.410]  The segues were enjoyed.
[04:13.630 --> 04:14.810]  Barely any limbs lost.
[04:15.650 --> 04:17.710]  I do still have a nasty injury on my knee, though.
[04:17.770 --> 04:18.630]  I could show it off later.
[04:19.750 --> 04:24.790]  And, okay, joining us, you're from Florida, you said, A-Team.
[04:25.230 --> 04:27.570]  Joining us right now is another Floridian.
[04:28.710 --> 04:30.510]  Other Floridian, why don't you introduce yourself?
[04:31.590 --> 04:32.690]  I'm a microdancer.
[04:33.470 --> 04:39.370]  And as I recall, you were at the Hope Conference as well, and you were one of the people running security.
[04:40.070 --> 04:42.810]  Yeah, I got drafted by you a number of years ago.
[04:43.790 --> 04:52.030]  Now, I guess it's as good a time as any for us to make a correction, or for maybe not Kevin to make a correction as to something that was said last week on this particular program.
[04:52.030 --> 04:52.470]  Go ahead.
[04:52.610 --> 04:53.990]  The spotlight's on you, not Kevin.
[04:54.210 --> 04:57.410]  Yes, I want to apologize to all of our listeners and the security team.
[04:57.810 --> 05:03.450]  Last week, I made the mistake of saying that I manage security at night, but I merely work security.
[05:03.590 --> 05:06.150]  It was a slip of words, and I apologize to everybody.
[05:06.150 --> 05:09.550]  And it was also, it was interesting, too, because we were all sitting here and we heard you say that.
[05:09.630 --> 05:23.330]  Of course, we all knew that people like Rhodey and Big Frank and Tony and Kush and other people were basically sacrificing precious moments of their lives, keeping the place safe.
[05:23.870 --> 05:28.650]  And Rhodey, maybe you should tell us something about what's involved in running security at a conference like this.
[05:29.530 --> 05:30.290]  Oh, man.
[05:31.710 --> 05:34.670]  Probably over the years, it's been...
[05:34.670 --> 05:37.370]  And you'll have to excuse me, my voice is still in the recovery.
[05:39.430 --> 05:43.970]  It's been an ongoing morphing thing from the past hopes.
[05:44.130 --> 05:50.470]  We always have a get-together where we look at what went well, what went wrong, and what we could change.
[05:50.790 --> 05:56.590]  And so far, I mean, the process seems to work because we seem to get better at it every year.
[05:57.450 --> 05:59.390]  And, by the way, not Kevin.
[05:59.590 --> 06:00.070]  How are you?
[06:00.450 --> 06:01.430]  I am excellent.
[06:01.770 --> 06:02.670]  Thank you for asking.
[06:02.970 --> 06:03.090]  Good.
[06:04.510 --> 06:05.130]  I know.
[06:05.510 --> 06:19.650]  I was glad for, I mean, everybody that worked this hope and, you know, the one before, I couldn't make it, unfortunately, wound up in a motorcycle accident, but I think that's been about the only one I haven't attended.
[06:20.250 --> 06:20.730]  So...
[06:20.730 --> 06:20.990]  Uh-huh.
[06:21.670 --> 06:25.430]  Well, I know Kevin was mortified when he realized what he had said.
[06:26.450 --> 06:27.470]  Yeah, I know.
[06:27.610 --> 06:29.450]  But the thing about it is, is this.
[06:29.810 --> 06:32.710]  That was the off-the-hook right after hope.
[06:33.230 --> 06:37.670]  None of us can be held responsible for what we have to say right after hope.
[06:37.770 --> 06:44.990]  Yes, but on that subject, actually, we are being held responsible for something that we did last week, and that was not raise enough funds.
[06:45.130 --> 06:48.930]  You see, we're in emergency fundraising mode here at the radio station.
[06:48.930 --> 06:52.090]  This happens every year at this time, it seems, unfortunately.
[06:52.650 --> 06:57.610]  And actually, this is the second and last of the emergency fundraising shows.
[06:57.770 --> 07:01.410]  We only raised a couple hundred bucks last week, folks, and that's embarrassing.
[07:01.810 --> 07:05.350]  It's something that we're being mocked in the hallways as we walk in.
[07:05.510 --> 07:06.650]  That was sad.
[07:07.230 --> 07:13.890]  So please, I know we're not offering all these amazing things that we usually donate to the radio station at this time.
[07:13.890 --> 07:17.070]  This is more of a bare-bones type of fundraiser.
[07:17.230 --> 07:21.150]  In fact, I'd like to play something really quickly, part of something that we are offering.
[07:21.790 --> 07:25.350]  It's a CD, a special CD, you can't get anywhere else, called Seven Dirty Words.
[07:25.530 --> 07:30.290]  I'm not going to play the Seven Dirty Words now because we'd get in a lot of trouble then and we'd have to have a whole lot more fundraisers.
[07:30.730 --> 07:40.430]  But this particular piece comes from the CD that you will get as part of your pledge of $75, along with an off-the-hook t-shirt.
[07:40.430 --> 07:50.370]  But you've got to call 212-209-2950 and please call now because, well, our future depends on it in many ways.
[07:50.590 --> 07:54.630]  Again, we only raised a couple hundred bucks last week and we usually do so much better than that.
[07:55.590 --> 08:02.730]  And I'd like to see some strong response so that the volunteers down the hallway get some work done tonight.
[08:02.810 --> 08:04.210]  212-209-2950.
[08:04.410 --> 08:06.030]  Let's take a listen to a piece from this CD.
[08:06.230 --> 08:06.990]  I love words.
[08:07.070 --> 08:08.090]  I thank you for hearing my words.
[08:08.090 --> 08:11.270]  I want to tell you something about words that I think is important.
[08:11.810 --> 08:14.810]  I love, as I say, they're my work, they're my play, they're my passion.
[08:14.970 --> 08:15.990]  Words are all we have, really.
[08:16.270 --> 08:18.050]  We have thoughts, but thoughts are fluid.
[08:18.230 --> 08:30.010]  You know, and then we assign a word to a thought and we're stuck with that word for that thought.
[08:30.490 --> 08:31.810]  So be careful with words.
[08:31.910 --> 08:34.470]  I like to think, yeah, the same words, you know, that hurt can heal.
[08:34.470 --> 08:36.390]  It's a matter of how you pick them.
[08:36.710 --> 08:38.670]  There are some people that aren't into all the words.
[08:38.830 --> 08:40.710]  There are some people that would have you not use certain words.
[08:41.530 --> 08:41.890]  Yeah.
[08:42.050 --> 08:47.030]  There are 400,000 words in the English language and there are seven of them you can't say on television.
[08:48.230 --> 08:49.870]  What a ratio that is.
[08:50.530 --> 08:55.190]  Three hundred and ninety-nine thousand nine hundred and ninety-three to seven.
[08:57.050 --> 08:59.090]  They must really be bad.
[09:00.390 --> 09:05.170]  They'd have to be outrageous to be separated from a group that large.
[09:05.930 --> 09:07.450]  All of you over here, you seven.
[09:09.330 --> 09:10.370]  Bad words.
[09:12.670 --> 09:14.390]  That's what they told us they were, remember?
[09:14.490 --> 09:15.590]  That's a bad word.
[09:18.550 --> 09:25.110]  No bad words, bad thoughts, bad intentions, and words.
[09:25.830 --> 09:28.290]  You know the seven, don't you, that you can't say in television?
[09:28.450 --> 09:49.910]  I wish you wouldn't say that I thought I'd have to come right over I thought I made it clear enough I guess I'll have to make it clearer Bleepin' Bleepin' Bleepin' Bleepin' Bleepin' Bleepin' Bleepin' Bleepin' Bleepin' Bleepin' Bleepin' Bleepin' Bleepin' Bleepin' Bleepin' Bleepin' Bleepin' Bleepin' Bleepin' Bleepin' Bleepin' Bleepin' Bleepin' Bleepin' Bleepin' Bleepin' Bleepin' Bleepin' Bleepin'
[09:49.910 --> 10:10.810]  Bleepin' Bleepin' Bleepin' Bleepin' Bleepin' Bleepin' Bleepin' Bleepin' Bleepin' Bleepin' Bleepin' Bleepin' Bleepin' Bleepin' Bleepin' Bleepin' Bleepin' Bleepin' Bleepin' Bleepin' Bleepin' Bleepin' Bleepin' Bleepin' Bleepin' Bleepin' B There are 400,000
[10:10.810 --> 10:14.790]  words in the English language, and there are seven of them you can't say on television.
[10:15.230 --> 10:17.110]  They must really be bad.
[10:17.650 --> 10:19.430]  Seven words you can never say on television.
[10:19.710 --> 10:21.990]  You know the seven, don't you, that you can't say on television?
[10:22.210 --> 10:22.630]  Seven?
[10:22.810 --> 10:23.950]  I could only think of three.
[10:24.490 --> 10:24.930]  What?
[10:25.250 --> 10:25.530]  Woo!
[10:26.130 --> 10:26.570]  Ouch!
[10:26.830 --> 10:27.330]  Uh-huh!
[10:27.670 --> 10:28.110]  Whoa!
[10:28.430 --> 10:29.050]  Hey now!
[10:29.330 --> 10:30.050]  Ho-ho-ho-ho!
[10:30.890 --> 10:32.890]  My vocabulary just grew by four.
[10:33.570 --> 10:38.690]  Okay, and that's a piece of the Seven Dirty Words CD that we're offering for pledges here at the radio station.
[10:38.690 --> 10:47.050]  And 212-209-2950, it's very important that people realize the significance of pieces like this.
[10:47.330 --> 10:54.690]  And I guess this dialogue in particular, censorship, is something that affects us in so many different ways.
[10:54.690 --> 10:59.670]  And this particular radio station was right at the center of it all with George Carlin.
[10:59.850 --> 11:04.690]  We played the Dirty Words piece in its entirety back in, I think, 1973.
[11:05.250 --> 11:08.930]  And as a result of that, as a result of that, the FCC got involved.
[11:09.090 --> 11:15.390]  We have this whole indecency and obscenity policy, or lack thereof, that radio stations all throughout the country have to abide by.
[11:15.410 --> 11:18.270]  And it's caused no end of controversy.
[11:19.190 --> 11:27.390]  And by supporting us, you're supporting the fight for freedom of speech and having this issue continue to be addressed.
[11:27.390 --> 11:37.730]  Bernie, I know there was a development recently with the Janet Jackson case, basically the Super Bowl halftime fiasco.
[11:37.810 --> 11:42.330]  I think they decided that the fine isn't going to stand after all?
[11:42.610 --> 11:43.130]  Yes.
[11:43.330 --> 11:46.110]  CBS was fined a really large amount of money.
[11:46.210 --> 11:47.470]  I don't recall the exact amount.
[11:47.630 --> 11:50.350]  It was several hundred thousand dollars.
[11:50.350 --> 11:52.410]  Somebody can probably correct me if you're in the studio there.
[11:52.810 --> 12:05.230]  But in any case, it was rules just, I think, around a week ago, just before the previous show, that the FCC did not...
[12:05.230 --> 12:12.350]  The FCC had to stand by its regular rule that a...
[12:13.670 --> 12:21.590]  Something in passing comments, sort of a random utterance that was not focused upon, so to speak.
[12:21.650 --> 12:27.970]  I don't remember the exact word, phrase, term of art that it was used in court.
[12:28.150 --> 12:30.610]  But basically it said that the FCC did not...
[12:30.610 --> 12:40.610]  It was not consistent in their ruling that CBS had to pay a humongous fine for showing the Janet Jackson breast incident live on the Super Bowl.
[12:40.610 --> 12:45.310]  So I think that's a victory for speech-free speech, that we could see that sort of thing.
[12:45.550 --> 12:51.470]  And, you know, regardless of the content that it was, any kind of government censorship, I don't agree with.
[12:51.470 --> 12:54.710]  And I think most of the people listening to this radio station don't agree with censorship either.
[12:56.170 --> 12:56.890]  Go ahead, Brendan.
[12:57.170 --> 12:57.370]  Yeah.
[12:57.630 --> 13:00.430]  Bernie, I think the fine was $300,000.
[13:00.810 --> 13:11.150]  And I think there was also some extenuating circumstances regarding whether or not CBS knew in advance this would happen and whether or not Janet Jackson and Justin Timberlake were actually employees of CBS at the time.
[13:11.630 --> 13:14.770]  Well, the whole thing, I mean, yeah, we consider this a victory right now.
[13:14.890 --> 13:16.590]  By the way, 212-209-2950.
[13:16.750 --> 13:17.810]  The phone lines are wide open.
[13:17.890 --> 13:21.210]  I don't know if this is something our listeners don't think is important, but it really is.
[13:21.250 --> 13:23.670]  It's what keeps us going, what keeps us on the air.
[13:23.730 --> 13:31.470]  I don't think there is a more important issue than the stations being put out of business by having a fleeting word go by or an image that somebody might find defensive.
[13:31.730 --> 13:38.950]  In this particular case, the whole Super Bowl fiasco, you know, this is something that it wasn't even full nudity at all.
[13:39.110 --> 13:40.730]  It was just an image...
[13:40.730 --> 13:41.410]  I'm sorry.
[13:42.070 --> 13:43.230]  This happens every week.
[13:43.290 --> 13:44.110]  I have to turn my...
[13:44.110 --> 13:44.750]  I'm sorry.
[13:44.810 --> 13:47.970]  I have to turn my phone off because this is Rebel doing this, obviously.
[13:48.290 --> 13:49.510]  You got my number somehow.
[13:49.890 --> 13:50.070]  Yeah.
[13:50.590 --> 13:50.870]  Okay.
[13:50.870 --> 13:54.290]  So, basically, it's in this country...
[13:54.290 --> 13:54.690]  The FCC, dude.
[13:55.130 --> 13:55.630]  What's that?
[13:56.310 --> 13:57.750]  It's the FCC, dude.
[13:57.970 --> 13:58.890]  Yeah, of course it's the FCC.
[13:59.630 --> 14:00.810]  That's who's ringing your phone.
[14:00.890 --> 14:01.230]  You know it.
[14:01.270 --> 14:02.610]  Oh, you mean the FCC's calling me?
[14:02.830 --> 14:03.810]  Would they resort to that?
[14:03.890 --> 14:05.210]  Yeah, it's a government conspiracy, dude.
[14:05.410 --> 14:06.850]  I guess that's possible.
[14:07.990 --> 14:10.790]  There's that outlook to it as one possibility.
[14:11.510 --> 14:12.870]  212-209-2950.
[14:13.030 --> 14:14.630]  But in other countries, this would not be...
[14:14.630 --> 14:15.630]  I mean, Render Man, you're from Canada.
[14:15.850 --> 14:16.150]  Yes.
[14:16.230 --> 14:17.850]  This kind of thing, could it happen in Canada?
[14:18.490 --> 14:20.850]  I think that most of the time, we just don't...
[14:20.850 --> 14:21.590]  care enough.
[14:22.250 --> 14:29.090]  I mean, we've got Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, which is also government-funded like the BBC and tends to do a good job.
[14:29.290 --> 14:37.530]  We've got other stations, but generally, we don't get our knickers in a twist about such things that I've ever noticed, at least not to the same controversial level of streaming.
[14:37.530 --> 14:39.750]  And this goes for words as well.
[14:39.930 --> 14:43.910]  I've heard words on CBC, over the radio, and on television.
[14:44.150 --> 14:45.910]  They don't censor a lot of things.
[14:46.570 --> 14:53.710]  Why do you think Americans are so obsessed with keeping certain words from being said and keeping certain images from being seen?
[14:54.350 --> 14:59.830]  I think it's just that you play the lowest common denominator, that there's always somebody that's going to be pissed off by something.
[15:00.030 --> 15:08.030]  I mean, somebody could be offended by the sight of a rainbow and complain loud enough to Congress, Critter, or whoever and get something done.
[15:08.130 --> 15:08.970]  Well, I'm interested in that.
[15:09.090 --> 15:11.570]  I'm interested in actually making rainbows offensive.
[15:11.570 --> 15:12.930]  How would I go about doing that?
[15:12.930 --> 15:14.030]  I don't know.
[15:14.670 --> 15:24.330]  Probably use it in a context that somebody would find offensive or in a place that somebody would find offensive, like a rainbow over top of a garbage dump or something like that.
[15:25.010 --> 15:28.730]  Forever it's burned into their mind that garbage dumps are associated with rainbows or something.
[15:29.030 --> 15:29.410]  There you go.
[15:30.670 --> 15:38.390]  Emmanuel, it's actually funny you mentioned the rainbow thing, because if you're familiar with a show called Aqua Teen Hunger Force, they tried to make a rainbow offensive, and they did it...
[15:38.390 --> 15:38.810]  Really?
[15:38.910 --> 15:40.050]  Wait, someone already had this idea?
[15:40.050 --> 15:44.330]  Yes, and they blew off a nun's head, and from her decapitated neck came a rainbow.
[15:44.690 --> 15:45.590]  And that's offensive.
[15:45.830 --> 15:46.830]  Great minds think alike.
[15:46.830 --> 15:47.130]  Wow.
[15:47.650 --> 15:49.150]  Hey, we're going to try and bring Mike in on this.
[15:49.230 --> 15:52.170]  Guys, you're going to hear a dial tone, so don't be worried by this.
[15:53.830 --> 15:54.410]  There it is.
[15:54.690 --> 15:54.950]  Okay.
[15:55.090 --> 15:55.410]  Sorry.
[15:55.530 --> 15:56.470]  I said not to be worried.
[15:56.810 --> 15:59.970]  And what we're going to do is call Mike, and he's somewhere.
[16:00.170 --> 16:04.270]  He's going to tell us where he is, and we'll bring him in on this conversation.
[16:04.270 --> 16:06.330]  But please, folks, we have one call on the line.
[16:06.430 --> 16:07.030]  We need more than that.
[16:07.130 --> 16:09.350]  212-209-2950.
[16:09.590 --> 16:10.850]  That's the number to support the radio station.
[16:10.950 --> 16:11.370]  What happened?
[16:11.750 --> 16:12.810]  Please dial one.
[16:12.870 --> 16:14.010]  I did dial one.
[16:14.030 --> 16:15.490]  And the seven-digit number...
[16:15.490 --> 16:16.550]  But I did dial one.
[16:16.710 --> 16:19.450]  This is not asking you to answer a quarter.
[16:19.930 --> 16:21.910]  I know they've made the announcements in Spanish now.
[16:22.390 --> 16:23.550]  That doesn't sound like Mike.
[16:23.710 --> 16:24.050]  Wow.
[16:24.290 --> 16:24.810]  How about that?
[16:24.870 --> 16:25.210]  TTY.
[16:25.890 --> 16:26.570]  Did you know that, buddy?
[16:26.830 --> 16:26.930]  TTY.
[16:28.010 --> 16:28.230]  Wow.
[16:28.350 --> 16:28.890]  That's something.
[16:28.970 --> 16:29.110]  Okay.
[16:29.170 --> 16:29.690]  Let me...
[16:30.190 --> 16:30.750]  Let me...
[16:30.750 --> 16:31.370]  Oh, great.
[16:31.370 --> 16:33.330]  The VIP button doesn't work anymore.
[16:34.190 --> 16:37.050]  Do you realize the VIP is supposed to keep line 12 on, and we just...
[16:37.050 --> 16:37.990]  Who's still there?
[16:39.370 --> 16:40.190]  Speak on the phone.
[16:41.170 --> 16:41.530]  Hello?
[16:42.410 --> 16:42.770]  Somebody.
[16:43.150 --> 16:45.190]  It's either Bernie or it's Rhodey.
[16:45.310 --> 16:46.150]  I'm on the phone.
[16:46.150 --> 16:46.430]  Okay.
[16:46.470 --> 16:48.190]  When I'm saying on the phone, who's there?
[16:48.190 --> 16:49.010]  You're on the phone, Bernie.
[16:49.150 --> 16:49.570]  So that's...
[16:49.570 --> 16:51.750]  I thought you were talking about the other line you were listening to.
[16:51.890 --> 16:52.390]  Well, that's the...
[16:52.390 --> 16:53.670]  I didn't know which line was which.
[16:53.770 --> 16:57.490]  Now I have to call Rhodey again, except I turned the phone off because Rebel was pranking me.
[16:59.090 --> 16:59.450]  Okay.
[16:59.450 --> 16:59.570]  Okay.
[17:00.550 --> 17:01.150]  Let's get...
[17:01.150 --> 17:02.130]  Let's get Mike first.
[17:04.090 --> 17:04.810]  And we'll...
[17:05.310 --> 17:07.070]  This is all because they didn't hear my one.
[17:10.530 --> 17:11.750]  You saw me dial the one, right?
[17:12.250 --> 17:12.550]  Okay.
[17:15.070 --> 17:15.590]  This is...
[17:15.590 --> 17:16.690]  This is turning into catastrophe.
[17:16.910 --> 17:18.330]  212-209-2950.
[17:18.490 --> 17:19.030]  Please call us.
[17:19.110 --> 17:19.670]  Make us feel better.
[17:20.770 --> 17:22.430]  We still only have one call on the line.
[17:27.570 --> 17:27.930]  Okay.
[17:28.170 --> 17:29.650]  Your call cannot be completed as dialed.
[17:29.650 --> 17:30.090]  What do I do now?
[17:30.110 --> 17:31.270]  Check the number and dial again.
[17:31.270 --> 17:32.130]  This is his phone number.
[17:32.150 --> 17:36.390]  If you're calling a number in the 212 area, dial again without using the 212 area code.
[17:36.490 --> 17:40.570]  I didn't use the 212 area code because obviously I used a different area code.
[17:40.630 --> 17:41.290]  You should know that.
[17:42.950 --> 17:43.410]  All right.
[17:43.490 --> 17:44.150]  I don't know what to do.
[17:44.390 --> 17:45.490]  Apparently we can't call.
[17:45.570 --> 17:46.050]  Mike's in 646.
[17:46.750 --> 17:47.570]  646 area code.
[17:48.070 --> 17:49.630]  How long has 646 existed?
[17:50.710 --> 17:51.290]  Many years.
[17:51.610 --> 17:52.030]  Quite a while.
[17:52.250 --> 17:53.850]  And apparently our phone system can't handle it.
[17:54.110 --> 17:55.250]  I'm going to try one more time.
[17:55.430 --> 17:55.930]  One more time.
[17:56.050 --> 17:57.110]  And then we're going to give up on this.
[17:57.870 --> 18:00.710]  Can somebody please maybe get some phone calls coming in?
[18:00.730 --> 18:02.030]  We have two phone calls on the line.
[18:02.730 --> 18:05.170]  Who has the self-confidence to keep it going?
[18:06.630 --> 18:07.190]  I'll talk.
[18:07.270 --> 18:07.550]  Oh, no.
[18:07.570 --> 18:09.850]  Bernie, you're the one that can't talk because we're dialing on the air.
[18:10.030 --> 18:10.750]  So, yeah.
[18:11.150 --> 18:13.170]  So, one of you in the studio has to talk.
[18:14.090 --> 18:14.410]  Okay.
[18:14.510 --> 18:17.090]  You know, none of you should be here if you can't talk on the radio.
[18:17.290 --> 18:17.790]  That's the thing.
[18:17.870 --> 18:18.170]  Go ahead.
[18:18.270 --> 18:18.690]  Not Kevin.
[18:18.850 --> 18:19.090]  Go ahead.
[18:19.190 --> 18:20.850]  You're going to get some calls coming in.
[18:21.570 --> 18:22.030]  Am I?
[18:22.170 --> 18:22.630]  I don't know.
[18:22.670 --> 18:23.430]  I'm not really good at this.
[18:23.430 --> 18:28.990]  But it's very important that you help support this radio station or else we wouldn't be here.
[18:29.450 --> 18:36.390]  So, I think that in itself is one of the most important things that anyone can do is help support this radio station as it's one of the only outlets.
[18:37.510 --> 18:40.430]  I just want to say, as a Canadian who's down here visiting...
[18:40.430 --> 18:41.570]  Why couldn't you let him finish the sentence?
[18:42.210 --> 18:42.530]  Sorry.
[18:42.630 --> 18:43.630]  You had to interrupt him.
[18:43.790 --> 18:44.910]  He was on a roll there.
[18:45.370 --> 18:45.650]  Okay.
[18:45.770 --> 18:46.430]  We'll continue then.
[18:46.450 --> 18:48.330]  Finish your sentence and you can jump in as a Canadian.
[18:48.650 --> 18:49.330]  Now the Canadian...
[18:49.330 --> 18:50.330]  Wait, Mike, are you there?
[18:50.870 --> 18:51.370]  I'm here.
[18:51.450 --> 18:53.530]  I can't believe what trouble we've had reaching you.
[18:53.610 --> 18:55.430]  We've gone through two different kinds of recordings.
[18:55.850 --> 18:58.430]  I got chastised for not dialing a one when I did.
[18:58.590 --> 19:01.110]  Then I was told to not dial 212 when I didn't.
[19:02.130 --> 19:03.810]  But at last we have you now.
[19:03.910 --> 19:04.210]  Not dial 212.
[19:04.330 --> 19:05.150]  It's not my number.
[19:05.290 --> 19:07.650]  I know it's not your number, but apparently the phone company does.
[19:07.730 --> 19:12.390]  We heard the announcement in Spanish and we heard a TTY announcement and we lost Rhodey in the whole process.
[19:12.990 --> 19:17.970]  Now, not Kevin's trying to give a pitch and Rendaman is going to jump in and give his Canadian pitch right afterwards.
[19:17.970 --> 19:19.450]  So, now, Kevin, why don't you finish?
[19:19.610 --> 19:20.210]  I'm done.
[19:20.410 --> 19:21.770]  Well, you need...
[19:21.770 --> 19:22.850]  I lost all my selfies.
[19:23.210 --> 19:23.990]  This one phone call.
[19:24.110 --> 19:24.830]  We need more than that.
[19:24.910 --> 19:26.010]  You got to bring in more phone calls.
[19:26.130 --> 19:27.230]  I've got to try to get Rhodey back.
[19:27.490 --> 19:28.030]  So, you guys...
[19:28.030 --> 19:30.890]  People not understand that that number does begin with 212.
[19:31.510 --> 19:32.710]  Maybe that's the whole problem.
[19:32.790 --> 19:34.410]  Maybe it's the whole switching, you know.
[19:35.150 --> 19:43.770]  Should I say the rest, 212-209-2950 is the whole number and maybe they can teach you how to dial the phone afterwards.
[19:44.130 --> 19:45.410]  Yeah, and here's the thing, folks.
[19:45.410 --> 19:47.310]  We're facing a telephone emergency here.
[19:47.650 --> 19:49.510]  We think the area codes have stopped working.
[19:49.510 --> 19:51.830]  So, why don't you help us by testing it?
[19:52.190 --> 19:55.270]  Dial 1-212-209-2950.
[19:55.270 --> 19:56.030]  See if it works.
[19:56.090 --> 19:57.810]  If it rings, if somebody picks up on the other end.
[19:58.010 --> 20:02.670]  And if somebody picks up on the other end, why not stay on at that point and pledge...
[20:02.670 --> 20:03.090]  Oh, there you go.
[20:03.150 --> 20:04.010]  Some phone calls are coming in.
[20:04.570 --> 20:05.670]  Pledge a certain amount.
[20:05.730 --> 20:06.290]  Whatever you can afford.
[20:06.390 --> 20:07.250]  It doesn't have to be $75.
[20:07.490 --> 20:08.010]  It can be $25.
[20:08.110 --> 20:09.730]  You'll still get the off-the-hook t-shirt.
[20:10.010 --> 20:10.830]  You'll feel better.
[20:15.410 --> 20:15.630]  Look at this.
[20:15.710 --> 20:16.790]  We have three calls on the line now.
[20:16.890 --> 20:19.250]  Hopefully, you folks aren't just testing the area codes.
[20:19.510 --> 20:20.830]  We want a little bit more than that.
[20:21.390 --> 20:23.530]  All right, Renderman, let's get the Canadian perspective on this.
[20:23.730 --> 20:28.070]  I just want to say that I've been calling in to the show for years and supporting.
[20:28.370 --> 20:32.410]  And I live out in Alberta, which is almost as far as you can get.
[20:33.470 --> 20:35.790]  But basically, I'd like to put out a challenge to all the Canadians...
[20:35.790 --> 20:36.410]  Isn't Saskatchewan farther?
[20:36.850 --> 20:37.650]  No, it's closer.
[20:38.350 --> 20:39.030]  Northern Saskatchewan.
[20:39.050 --> 20:39.510]  You need to come up and visit.
[20:39.630 --> 20:41.590]  Northern Saskatchewan is further.
[20:41.830 --> 20:43.630]  Well, yeah, but who would want to go to North Saskatchewan?
[20:45.250 --> 20:52.570]  I'd like to put out a challenge to all the Canadians listening online or who have listened to the archived episodes of Off the Hook or anything that...
[20:52.570 --> 20:57.530]  You know, this station has been putting on a manual and his show since, what, 1998?
[20:57.890 --> 20:59.810]  Putting up with, yes, is a better way to say it, yeah.
[20:59.810 --> 21:02.410]  Four calls on the line, and they seem to be staying on the line.
[21:02.530 --> 21:03.670]  Thank you, people, for calling in.
[21:03.730 --> 21:04.750]  It makes all the difference in the world.
[21:04.830 --> 21:06.170]  212-209-2950.
[21:06.430 --> 21:11.750]  And I remember supporting the station back about 10 years ago when, you know, Canadian dollar was worth nothing.
[21:12.030 --> 21:13.950]  Rebel's calling me again, but I'm in silent mode.
[21:14.130 --> 21:14.550]  Ah, good.
[21:15.590 --> 21:25.930]  But think now that how much more the Canadian dollar is worth, that, you know, on some days it's actually worth more than the Americans, that, you know, you giving your Canadian dollars to the station is actually doing better than an American giving money to the station.
[21:26.390 --> 21:27.950]  So I'd like to put that challenge out there.
[21:28.430 --> 21:28.950]  Come on, you know.
[21:28.950 --> 21:31.510]  You know, there's a lot less of us than there is even in California.
[21:31.990 --> 21:34.250]  So, you know, let's see what you can do here.
[21:34.550 --> 21:35.490]  Come on, support the station.
[21:36.310 --> 21:37.970]  212-209-2950.
[21:39.490 --> 21:39.930]  Okay.
[21:40.570 --> 21:41.350]  Who's next?
[21:41.390 --> 21:42.610]  I'm going to try to get Rhodey back again.
[21:43.630 --> 21:44.450]  I'll go next.
[21:44.670 --> 21:44.850]  Okay.
[21:44.970 --> 21:45.530]  Rob T.
[21:45.630 --> 21:45.930]  Firefly.
[21:46.170 --> 21:57.110]  I will also remind Renderman's Canadian friends, and also our listeners everywhere that isn't in the New York metropolitan area, that if you're listening over a webcast, that too costs money.
[21:57.350 --> 22:04.530]  And by supporting the station, you're making that possible for us to reach not only the people in our broadcast radius, but everyone else.
[22:05.370 --> 22:13.290]  And not only that, but you do get that, if I'm correct, that Off the Hook T-shirt is exclusive to these pledges, is it not?
[22:14.170 --> 22:14.890]  Very exclusive.
[22:15.350 --> 22:16.070]  Very exclusive.
[22:16.290 --> 22:17.130]  Very exclusive indeed.
[22:18.030 --> 22:25.310]  So, you know, if you're wearing your Off the Hook T-shirt and you see someone else wearing an Off the Hook T-shirt, you know, strike up a conversation with that person, because you two share something.
[22:25.390 --> 22:28.310]  You share your love for this station and your willingness to support us.
[22:28.370 --> 22:29.530]  We have Rhodey back.
[22:29.710 --> 22:30.610]  Rhodey, I'm sorry.
[22:30.610 --> 22:32.230]  The phone system is all wacky.
[22:32.770 --> 22:33.610]  We lost you.
[22:33.790 --> 22:38.410]  Yeah, we lost you when we tried to pick up the other line, or actually when we tried to put people on hold.
[22:39.270 --> 22:43.330]  Mike, are you aware that the VIP button doesn't work anymore on the phone and you lose line 12?
[22:43.950 --> 22:46.250]  I didn't know that, but I heard they ever used it.
[22:46.470 --> 22:48.490]  Well, it's, yeah, it's useless.
[22:49.490 --> 22:50.210]  Okay, so...
[22:50.210 --> 22:51.630]  Hopefully you are not to press it from here.
[22:51.910 --> 22:58.070]  We've been, Rhodey, we've been trying to get people to call in, and we've had some success because of our troubles with the phones today.
[22:58.790 --> 23:06.290]  So hopefully people are helping us out by calling in and making sure the phones are actually working, and then making sure that the whole pledge process actually works by staying on the line and pledging.
[23:06.570 --> 23:08.130]  212-209-2950.
[23:08.390 --> 23:14.250]  But, Rhodey, maybe you can help us by, I don't know, giving your opinion as to what's important about a place like this.
[23:14.950 --> 23:16.110]  I'll tell you what, man.
[23:16.290 --> 23:19.890]  I'll pitch in 50 bucks right now on this, so, you know.
[23:20.230 --> 23:25.410]  And anybody who happens to hear us out there, come on, support, you know, support the radio station.
[23:25.590 --> 23:26.570]  What are you doing?
[23:26.910 --> 23:28.530]  Don't just sit there and listen.
[23:29.050 --> 23:29.950]  Call in.
[23:30.310 --> 23:31.790]  Anything you can hand us.
[23:32.470 --> 23:36.450]  Yeah, the thing to remember is, what, are you putting cash on the table now, Kevin?
[23:37.090 --> 23:38.450]  Yeah, I'll put it down.
[23:38.650 --> 23:39.570]  Yeah, see?
[23:39.770 --> 23:40.390]  There we go.
[23:40.710 --> 23:43.470]  It's good to know people actually care enough to do that.
[23:43.630 --> 23:45.730]  Don't give us your credit card number over the air, though.
[23:45.870 --> 23:47.390]  That's something to be avoided.
[23:48.670 --> 23:52.290]  But the thing is, commercial radio stations, you don't have the choice.
[23:52.370 --> 23:53.250]  You don't have the choice.
[23:53.250 --> 24:03.270]  You pay no matter what, because it's factored into all sorts of things, prices of products that get advertised, and all sorts of other things that you have no say in.
[24:03.370 --> 24:05.210]  You don't get to listen to the programs you want to hear.
[24:05.350 --> 24:09.370]  You get to listen to the garbage that they put on the air, because it's the lowest common denominator, as we've said.
[24:10.050 --> 24:11.650]  Non-commercial radio, you do have a voice.
[24:11.890 --> 24:19.490]  You have a way of calling in and voicing your opinions, a way of letting us know via email, other methods, if we're doing a good job or not.
[24:19.830 --> 24:22.710]  And non-commercial radio, you can even get involved yourself.
[24:23.010 --> 24:23.630]  Try that.
[24:23.710 --> 24:28.130]  Try that with K-Rock or Z100 or Hot 97 or all those other places.
[24:28.210 --> 24:29.790]  It's just not going to happen.
[24:30.010 --> 24:32.370]  What kind of radio do you have down there in Florida, Rhodey?
[24:33.750 --> 24:43.350]  Mostly commercial, but we have a few non-commercial radio stations out here, and it's pretty cool.
[24:43.630 --> 24:49.210]  And then, of course, we have our usual number of pirate radio stations, which we, of course, won't discuss on the air right now.
[24:49.270 --> 24:53.790]  Well, actually, I would like to discuss that on the air, because I'm fascinated by so-called pirate radio stations.
[24:53.930 --> 24:56.230]  First of all, I don't think pirate radio is the right term.
[24:56.230 --> 25:02.190]  I think the real pirates are the ones who sit on the major frequencies and don't let anybody else have access to them.
[25:02.870 --> 25:04.270]  Radio airways are for the people.
[25:04.430 --> 25:09.070]  People should have the right to broadcast and be a part of some kind of broadcasting entity.
[25:09.450 --> 25:14.290]  Now, the FCC originally was formed to make sure that the signals don't collide with each other.
[25:14.370 --> 25:20.710]  They weren't supposed to be part of a censorship junta that basically tells people what they can and cannot say.
[25:20.710 --> 25:25.590]  It was a way to prevent 99.5 from colliding with 99.7 or something like that.
[25:26.090 --> 25:27.930]  And things have changed over the years.
[25:28.030 --> 25:34.590]  Now, you have these major entities that own almost every radio station in a city, and everybody else is shut out.
[25:34.810 --> 25:35.350]  So, yes.
[25:35.350 --> 25:44.770]  The commercial radio station market here in the Tampa Bay area, which is where I live that, I mean, Clear Channel owns it, okay?
[25:44.870 --> 25:45.850]  That's basically it.
[25:45.990 --> 25:53.690]  And unfortunately, it's just stifled a lot of the...
[25:53.690 --> 26:10.010]  And, of course, we've had our share of disc jockeys that have been thrown off the air over here for saying things that they shouldn't say, but, you know, I think it should all go to, you know, it should all go to non-commercial, publicly funded, you know?
[26:10.470 --> 26:11.470]  You don't like what you're...
[26:11.470 --> 26:14.870]  If you don't like the radio show, don't fund it, and it goes away.
[26:14.970 --> 26:15.550]  Exactly, yeah.
[26:15.670 --> 26:17.850]  You know, we have standards here at WBAI.
[26:17.910 --> 26:20.190]  By the way, the number is 212-209-2950.
[26:20.190 --> 26:21.010]  Please support us.
[26:21.130 --> 26:24.750]  We have all kinds of interesting premiums to offer you, 212-209-2950.
[26:24.750 --> 26:37.630]  But at this radio station, if people did something that was offensive or obscene, there are processes within the radio station framework that would deal with this.
[26:37.730 --> 26:42.350]  It's called bad radio, and you don't let it go on the air if it happens.
[26:42.630 --> 26:47.210]  We don't need an agency, a federal agency, telling us what is good and what is bad.
[26:47.450 --> 26:48.890]  Basically, the public decides.
[26:48.970 --> 26:51.150]  If the public wants something, they support it.
[26:51.190 --> 26:52.710]  If they don't want something, they don't support it.
[26:52.790 --> 26:53.470]  Simple as that.
[26:53.930 --> 26:59.430]  And I think that's what's driven us here at this station and at many other stations throughout the country for many years.
[26:59.550 --> 27:07.450]  But this sense of fear of if you make one mistake, you know, somebody says a word that they weren't supposed to say, you can get fined $300,000 right there on the spot.
[27:08.150 --> 27:10.950]  That is pretty crippling to many creative people.
[27:11.390 --> 27:17.190]  And that's something that I think everybody in the radio industry, non-commercial and commercial alike, sees as a big threat.
[27:17.190 --> 27:19.230]  212-209-2950.
[27:19.590 --> 27:24.070]  This is the theme of our fundraiser in this two-week period.
[27:24.410 --> 27:31.730]  And hopefully, we'll see a strong response from our listeners because that's pretty much the framework of what non-commercial radio is all about.
[27:31.870 --> 27:32.910]  Now, A-Team, you're also from Florida.
[27:33.770 --> 27:38.890]  Do you get much time to listen to non-commercial radio or radio in general?
[27:39.530 --> 27:42.370]  Well, unfortunately, the radio where I live is atrocious.
[27:42.610 --> 27:43.670]  Now, why do you say that?
[27:43.670 --> 27:44.690]  Why do I say that?
[27:44.770 --> 27:49.890]  Because for the same reasons everyone's been talking about here, all owned by the same companies, you know, Clear Channel, etc.
[27:50.370 --> 27:51.530]  It's absolute garbage.
[27:51.930 --> 27:53.950]  Even some of the commercial radio up here is much better.
[27:54.110 --> 27:56.930]  So, why do you think commercial radio can't get it right?
[27:56.930 --> 28:00.990]  Why can't they put on a decent station that people want to listen to?
[28:01.110 --> 28:02.210]  Why does it always suck?
[28:02.690 --> 28:08.210]  I guess it has to do with interests, corporate interests, you know, looking out for one another and their big evil web.
[28:08.910 --> 28:09.350]  Dot Red.
[28:09.530 --> 28:10.670]  They're scared to experiment.
[28:10.670 --> 28:16.710]  They want to stick with a format which they've known works and they don't want to branch out and everyone gets a board as a result.
[28:16.790 --> 28:16.910]  Okay.
[28:16.970 --> 28:18.670]  Well, this is what I understand.
[28:18.830 --> 28:27.710]  In every business, and I'm not a business person, but my basic understanding of business is that the way you succeed is by taking chances, by doing something different.
[28:27.710 --> 28:31.790]  So, why is it in radio, the commercial stations don't do anything different?
[28:31.890 --> 28:33.330]  They all act exactly the same.
[28:33.610 --> 28:35.830]  And then they're surprised when people don't want to listen to them.
[28:35.830 --> 28:37.230]  Well, if you monopolize the...
[28:37.230 --> 28:39.150]  It's the cookie cutter thing.
[28:39.350 --> 28:40.770]  I mean, that's what they want to do.
[28:40.910 --> 28:41.190]  Uh-huh.
[28:41.430 --> 28:46.030]  If you monopolize the industry, then you're not given any reason to experiment.
[28:46.930 --> 28:47.390]  Emmanuel?
[28:47.650 --> 28:48.190]  Yes, go ahead, Bernie.
[28:48.650 --> 28:55.170]  This discussion is reminiscent of an excellent presentation by Laszlo at the last Hope Conference.
[28:55.350 --> 28:55.670]  Yes.
[28:55.670 --> 28:59.470]  Which was entitled, Hacking the Media by Laughing at Them.
[28:59.930 --> 29:01.870]  And it was a really good talk.
[29:02.130 --> 29:05.310]  So, people who attended the Hope Conference already know how it was good.
[29:05.630 --> 29:10.310]  And sometime in the future, those audio files will be made available, and DVDs will be available of it.
[29:10.450 --> 29:16.210]  But basically, what Laszlo was saying is that all these stations are so afraid to take a chance.
[29:16.610 --> 29:27.010]  And they have basically screwed themselves by homogenizing their content to be almost identical from station to station, and people are just saying, forget it.
[29:27.130 --> 29:36.750]  And they're listening to their iPods, they're listening to satellite radio, they're listening to other mediums instead of regular terrestrial broadcast MFM stations.
[29:36.970 --> 29:38.710]  But WBAI is an exception.
[29:39.430 --> 29:42.650]  I don't know, is somebody flushing a toilet or something out there?
[29:42.810 --> 29:43.870]  There's three people on the phone.
[29:43.950 --> 29:44.710]  Who's making all the noise?
[29:45.410 --> 29:46.930]  I'm walking by iPods.
[29:46.970 --> 29:48.490]  Okay, apparently you all are making noise.
[29:48.570 --> 29:49.510]  Mike, why don't you go first?
[29:50.150 --> 29:52.310]  I'm walking by some buses.
[29:52.310 --> 29:56.450]  There's a lot of buses out here, because there's no other public transit.
[29:56.690 --> 29:58.210]  Did you tell us where you were?
[29:58.290 --> 29:59.150]  I lost track.
[29:59.650 --> 30:00.950]  No, I haven't.
[30:01.070 --> 30:02.550]  Okay, so you buy a lot of buses.
[30:02.770 --> 30:04.530]  Maybe we could expand on that a little bit.
[30:05.130 --> 30:06.310]  I'm in Seattle.
[30:06.990 --> 30:07.450]  Seattle.
[30:07.610 --> 30:10.230]  Which is a city on the west coast of the United States.
[30:12.690 --> 30:20.330]  And I'm walking to their train station, where I'll be in just a moment, to catch a train out of Seattle.
[30:22.790 --> 30:23.950]  I've been here for a few days.
[30:24.090 --> 30:32.250]  It's a very nice city, but as I said, there's no public transit except for all these buses, which are very crowded, because everyone's trying to take them.
[30:32.770 --> 30:33.050]  Uh-huh.
[30:33.930 --> 30:36.490]  And what's your next stop on your travels?
[30:37.150 --> 30:38.790]  I'll be in Portland, Oregon.
[30:39.130 --> 30:44.010]  Not to be confused, of course, with Portland, Maine, which would be too far to take a train from here.
[30:44.010 --> 30:46.050]  Yeah, that would be kind of crazy.
[30:46.610 --> 30:47.290]  Well, great.
[30:47.550 --> 30:54.370]  So we have the Pacific Northwest and the Southeast represented tonight, which is good.
[30:54.630 --> 30:55.590]  Don't forget the photos in the north.
[30:55.850 --> 30:59.290]  Yeah, and of course, the Canadian perspective through RenderMan.
[30:59.930 --> 31:11.970]  So, okay, Mike, maybe you can give us some perspective on non-commercial radio, and maybe you can make these phone lines light up, because we're up to just about 200 bucks, which really, it's good, and we want to thank the people for calling in so far.
[31:11.970 --> 31:13.850]  But it's not, it's not enough.
[31:14.270 --> 31:14.910]  No, it's not enough.
[31:15.010 --> 31:29.110]  We should be over a thousand at least, and this is the last time we're going to be doing this for this fundraiser, and it's important that this radio station be kept alive so that we can continue talking about things like this, challenging the status quo on many levels,
[31:29.230 --> 31:33.590]  many fronts, and basically not acting like a commercial station.
[31:33.770 --> 31:34.510]  And they're everywhere.
[31:34.670 --> 31:35.470]  They won't go away.
[31:35.590 --> 31:37.970]  They're not going anywhere, because they have the advertising dollars.
[31:38.310 --> 31:39.770]  We need your dollars.
[31:39.770 --> 31:41.030]  We need listener support.
[31:42.990 --> 31:45.270]  212-209-2950 is the number.
[31:45.510 --> 31:51.650]  And as Emmanuel said, there's really no way the station can stay on the air without the support of our listeners.
[31:51.810 --> 32:03.130]  That's why we have people who are all around the country talking on the phone, begging you to give their money, because there's just no way to replace WBAI if we should lose it.
[32:03.510 --> 32:06.850]  So 212-209-2950 is the number.
[32:06.850 --> 32:11.930]  Remember, the theme of the drive is free speech, but even free speech costs money to run.
[32:12.090 --> 32:18.910]  So give us a call today and help us stay on the air and help the station stay on the air.
[32:19.130 --> 32:23.430]  I don't know what more I can say, because it's really as straightforward as that.
[32:23.430 --> 32:27.130]  It is as straightforward as that, but unfortunately, it seems to have fallen on deaf ears.
[32:27.310 --> 32:29.050]  We have no calls on the line.
[32:29.610 --> 32:31.510]  Now, the phone network is working.
[32:31.510 --> 32:33.450]  I know, because we have three people on it right now.
[32:34.510 --> 32:35.890]  We have open lines.
[32:36.030 --> 32:39.990]  We have volunteers who are crying down the hall because they have nothing to do.
[32:40.150 --> 32:40.990]  No people calling in.
[32:40.990 --> 32:47.650]  All you have to do is pick up the phone, dial 212-209-2950, and pledge whatever you can afford.
[32:47.830 --> 33:05.330]  All pledges, $25 and above, get an off-the-hook t-shirt, which only comes your way by pledging to WBAI, and a pledge of $75 gets you the 7 Dirty Words CD made specially here at the radio station, and you won't find that anyplace else.
[33:05.490 --> 33:09.310]  We're going to play another excerpt from that, but let's get some calls coming in.
[33:09.310 --> 33:17.410]  I hope you're not going to play the excerpt with the 7 Dirty Words, because if we're only raising $200, there's no way we can afford to play that.
[33:17.530 --> 33:19.930]  Yeah, no, we've already weighed that.
[33:20.190 --> 33:23.430]  It would be a great publicity stunt, but now it probably wouldn't work out.
[33:24.170 --> 33:39.770]  So, no, we're going to keep it clean, and, you know, we always do want to keep it clean, but having this entity looking over our shoulders and being prepared to issue fines that can put us out of business, that's something that just... it's very intimidating.
[33:40.130 --> 33:43.130]  It's very intimidating, and sort of steps on our feet quite a bit.
[33:44.310 --> 33:47.730]  212-209-2950 is our telephone number.
[33:47.830 --> 33:48.930]  We have one call on the line.
[33:48.990 --> 33:55.770]  Let's get one more call, and then we'll play the excerpt, and you can hear some of what this CD contains.
[33:56.550 --> 33:58.670]  Bernie, I think maybe you can get that call to come in.
[33:59.690 --> 34:05.010]  Yes, I was just saying before, I was drowned out by the sound of toilets flushing, or buses going by.
[34:05.210 --> 34:06.670]  Some of which have toilets on them.
[34:07.670 --> 34:09.390]  It sounded like toilets to me as well.
[34:09.670 --> 34:18.790]  And then that's, frankly, what most commercial radio stations sound like, is toilets flushing, at least metaphorically speaking, because it's a lot of crap, and they're going down the tubes.
[34:19.630 --> 34:29.290]  In this case, though, WBAI has a really diverse, eclectic lineup of programming, off the hook being just one of those many programs.
[34:29.510 --> 34:35.570]  And the only way this kind of material is going to get broadcast over the public airwaves is with listener support.
[34:35.770 --> 34:40.610]  No commercial station will run this kind of material, because advertisers just don't think it's important.
[34:40.890 --> 34:44.410]  It's not your latest top 40 hit.
[34:44.650 --> 34:51.370]  So I encourage listeners to call 212-209-2950 to support this kind of independent programming.
[34:51.530 --> 34:52.650]  You're not going to hear anywhere else.
[34:52.750 --> 34:53.630]  Three calls on the line.
[34:53.750 --> 34:54.350]  Not bad, Bernie.
[34:54.470 --> 34:54.810]  Not bad.
[34:54.890 --> 34:59.350]  Now, I hope there are other people out there that realize the importance of a non-commercial voice like WBAI.
[34:59.370 --> 35:05.310]  We've been on the air since 1960 here in New York City, broadcasting from the top of the Empire State Building against all odds.
[35:05.690 --> 35:07.310]  And somehow we've survived.
[35:07.450 --> 35:09.410]  Sometimes in spite of ourselves, we've survived.
[35:09.770 --> 35:17.410]  And the only way we're going to continue to survive is with our listeners calling in, just like you, calling in and pledging whatever it is you can afford.
[35:17.550 --> 35:24.090]  No other radio station around here has that simple a premise, where just calling in will keep us going.
[35:24.510 --> 35:30.590]  The other radio stations will continue despite anything that you do or care about, because it's all about the almighty buck.
[35:30.730 --> 35:37.190]  It's all about the ratings and the commercials, and playing certain bits of music that have been decided you will hear.
[35:37.570 --> 35:40.050]  At this place, we play all kinds of things.
[35:40.090 --> 35:41.470]  You help decide what to play.
[35:41.550 --> 35:42.890]  You help decide what to talk about.
[35:43.430 --> 35:45.070]  And that, to me, that's freedom.
[35:45.170 --> 35:47.070]  That's what makes this place so valuable.
[35:47.230 --> 35:50.130]  Regardless of what you might hear, you might hear things that really upset you.
[35:50.270 --> 35:53.310]  You might hear things that you find to be distasteful or controversial.
[35:53.630 --> 36:02.550]  And you have the right to express yourself about that and to become involved and make things better or change the way this ship is being steered.
[36:02.990 --> 36:07.070]  And I think that's really what the broadcast medium should be all about.
[36:07.230 --> 36:09.410]  That's what it was originally intended for.
[36:10.210 --> 36:11.690]  Okay, 212-209-2950.
[36:11.870 --> 36:17.190]  We're going to play a little bit from the Seven Dirty Words CD, which comes your way with every pledge of $75.
[36:17.630 --> 36:22.510]  And again, we take all credit cards, American Express and Visa and MasterCard and Discover and all that.
[36:23.190 --> 36:23.770]  Good night.
[36:24.330 --> 36:26.670]  212-209-2950.
[36:26.890 --> 36:29.270]  Please call us while we're playing this excerpt.
[36:29.390 --> 36:30.250]  We'll be back afterwards.
[36:30.570 --> 36:36.030]  And hopefully, hopefully in that time period, we will have gotten a whole bunch of calls and we can say that the number has risen.
[36:36.150 --> 36:37.930]  We're at $300 now, which is good.
[36:38.090 --> 36:39.110]  But it's not great.
[36:39.350 --> 36:39.990]  It's not great.
[36:40.110 --> 36:41.870]  The goal for this hour is to get above $1,000.
[36:41.870 --> 36:43.210]  We didn't do that last week.
[36:43.570 --> 36:44.570]  And we usually do.
[36:44.710 --> 36:45.790]  We usually go way above that.
[36:46.290 --> 36:52.530]  So please let us know it's not just about us offering all kinds of spiffy 2600 merchandise, which we're not doing this time.
[36:52.530 --> 36:54.510]  This time it's just about the radio station.
[36:54.630 --> 36:56.470]  This time it's just about freedom of speech.
[36:56.610 --> 36:58.710]  212-209-2950.
[36:58.730 --> 37:00.530]  Here's an excerpt from Seven Dirty Words.
[37:03.990 --> 37:07.770]  I have a sad story to tell you.
[37:08.210 --> 37:11.450]  It may hurt your feelings a bit.
[37:12.350 --> 37:20.670]  Last night when I walked into my bathroom, I stepped in a big pile of shaving cream.
[37:21.150 --> 37:22.690]  Be nice and clean.
[37:23.070 --> 37:26.770]  Shave every day and you'll always look keen.
[37:27.890 --> 37:35.910]  Now you can obtain a kit that will protect our morality and keep us from ever having to hear anything about the disgusting functions of our animal bodies.
[37:36.310 --> 37:42.450]  Yes, you can now have an easy to complain to the FCC kit full of ready-made complaint forms.
[37:42.690 --> 37:46.730]  Check off the offensive moments that you hear and see on radio and TV.
[37:46.730 --> 37:55.870]  You'll have plenty of time to relax and enjoy the protection of the Federal Communications Commission when you have a pad of complaint forms on hand at all times.
[37:56.230 --> 37:59.670]  Simply fold, stamp and toss your complaint form in a mailbox.
[38:00.070 --> 38:04.990]  Remember, it only takes one complaint to cost a radio station a million dollars.
[38:04.990 --> 38:07.430]  What do you think causes man the most harm?
[38:08.830 --> 38:14.950]  Sexual excessiveness, obscenity, adherence to certain religious teachings?
[38:15.370 --> 38:20.810]  Well, what is causing the most harm now, as we live in modern times, is carelessness.
[38:20.810 --> 38:39.150]  There was a time when we all censored ourselves, because there seemed reason to suspect that sexual scenes, dirty language, might actually upset children.
[38:40.230 --> 38:43.350]  And we were willing to believe that.
[38:43.790 --> 38:49.810]  But more and more research was done on the effects of pornography.
[38:49.810 --> 38:54.830]  We're now talking about something which is closely related to religion in that sense.
[38:54.950 --> 39:05.490]  And that is the anxiety about the use of words which refer to actions or parts of the body which are supposed to be indecent.
[39:06.370 --> 39:17.870]  Now, they either appear in newspapers with a lot of asterisks, or they appear on television with a lot of blips and bleeps and so forth, or with euphemisms.
[39:17.870 --> 39:24.870]  Oh, by the way, before I continue, with obscenity, I might not be in addition to that word.
[39:25.850 --> 39:27.830]  You know the meaning of obscenity, don't you?
[39:28.290 --> 39:28.810]  Perhaps you know.
[39:28.890 --> 39:32.770]  See, if I do a disgusting show, or use any disgusting words...
[39:32.770 --> 39:34.370]  I'm just going to be talking about pork.
[39:36.610 --> 39:40.570]  That's my right, you see, as an American citizen, to discuss pork on stage.
[39:40.570 --> 39:45.310]  Although disgust, all of you vegetarians and Jews and Muslims, that is my right.
[39:45.870 --> 39:51.590]  And if you communists would like to suppress that right to talk about ham and pork, that's your right.
[39:51.590 --> 39:54.990]  Now, if I do a vulgar show, I sing rock and roll tunes.
[39:56.210 --> 40:00.770]  Uh, just in the most vulgar form, with a big bulbous nose, that is not obscene.
[40:01.290 --> 40:06.170]  Obscenity has one specific meaning, to appeal to the Korean interest, to get you horny.
[40:06.690 --> 40:09.610]  I remember the first time, I had an orgasm.
[40:14.420 --> 40:17.000]  First time I came, I thought something was wrong with me.
[40:17.680 --> 40:19.340]  Look what you've done to me.
[40:20.580 --> 40:22.020]  An hour later, I was back.
[40:23.160 --> 40:24.300]  Can you do it again?
[40:26.580 --> 40:28.500]  I mean, it ain't nothing dirty about it.
[40:28.580 --> 40:30.420]  I mean, because I don't want to offend anyone.
[40:30.700 --> 40:32.500]  Anybody in here, don't know what I'm talking about.
[40:33.880 --> 40:37.800]  We all know, what the euphemistic terms refer to.
[40:37.800 --> 40:45.880]  They refer to exactly the same things as the unallowed swear words or improper words.
[40:46.120 --> 40:53.960]  So why is it that when someone is using the euphemistic term, they don't feel that they're embarrassing the audience?
[40:54.140 --> 41:06.280]  Though in fact, the image which is summoned up in the mind of the recipient must be the same as the one which is summoned up in the mind of the recipient who is listening to the unallowed thing.
[41:07.800 --> 41:15.700]  Okay, that was an excerpt from Seven Dirty Words, the CD that will be coming your way for a pledge of $75.
[41:16.000 --> 41:17.680]  212-209-2950.
[41:18.060 --> 41:22.480]  We're just short of the $400 mark, which is good, but still not great.
[41:22.480 --> 41:23.720]  We need more calls.
[41:23.860 --> 41:25.160]  212-209-2950.
[41:25.160 --> 41:28.800]  So we want to thank people for calling in.
[41:29.540 --> 41:30.780]  Here's what I'm going to do.
[41:30.920 --> 41:34.020]  Okay, I don't know why they hand me the cards of people who don't want to get their names read.
[41:34.340 --> 41:35.740]  Now I have to weed those out.
[41:36.960 --> 41:38.360]  Okay, that person doesn't.
[41:38.460 --> 41:39.180]  This person does.
[41:39.620 --> 41:42.700]  I'm going to read the first one and then pass it on.
[41:43.200 --> 41:44.320]  Only first name, folks.
[41:45.000 --> 41:48.500]  I want to thank Rick from the Bronx for calling in.
[41:48.640 --> 41:52.240]  Take the first one and put it at the bottom and read the second one.
[41:52.780 --> 41:53.300]  Go ahead.
[41:53.580 --> 41:53.680]  Quickly.
[41:53.940 --> 41:54.400]  It's very simple.
[41:55.540 --> 41:56.720]  You guys speaking to the microphone?
[41:57.320 --> 41:58.560]  Ucari from New York City.
[41:58.880 --> 41:59.300]  Hang on.
[41:59.360 --> 41:59.940]  Your mic wasn't on.
[42:00.360 --> 42:00.940]  Say it one more time.
[42:01.120 --> 42:01.240]  I'm sorry.
[42:02.660 --> 42:03.300]  That was...
[42:03.300 --> 42:03.860]  What was it now?
[42:03.960 --> 42:04.960]  Ucari from New York City?
[42:05.200 --> 42:05.400]  Yeah.
[42:05.540 --> 42:05.700]  Okay.
[42:05.940 --> 42:06.600]  And go ahead, A-Team.
[42:06.760 --> 42:09.660]  Then we've got Brendan from...
[42:10.100 --> 42:10.980]  Where on earth is this...
[42:10.980 --> 42:11.820]  What is that?
[42:12.740 --> 42:13.060]  Astoria.
[42:13.560 --> 42:13.880]  Astoria.
[42:13.960 --> 42:14.280]  Astoria.
[42:15.060 --> 42:16.360]  You have relatives here.
[42:16.420 --> 42:17.140]  You don't know Astoria?
[42:17.400 --> 42:18.280]  No, I was looking at the state.
[42:18.380 --> 42:19.320]  It was very scribbled.
[42:19.540 --> 42:19.920]  Ah, okay.
[42:19.920 --> 42:21.640]  Well, go ahead, Renderman.
[42:22.100 --> 42:23.840]  We have Reggie...
[42:23.840 --> 42:24.880]  Oh, that's a volunteer.
[42:25.180 --> 42:26.260]  Nick from...
[42:26.260 --> 42:27.920]  We want to thank the volunteers, too.
[42:28.140 --> 42:28.820]  Yeah, thank the volunteers.
[42:29.540 --> 42:31.160]  Nick from New York, New York.
[42:31.340 --> 42:31.720]  All right.
[42:32.120 --> 42:33.120]  Dot Rhett, you're next.
[42:36.660 --> 42:37.520]  Come on, come on.
[42:38.220 --> 42:39.620]  You know, it's really not hard.
[42:39.820 --> 42:40.620]  The name is right there.
[42:40.660 --> 42:42.580]  We want to give a thank you to Robert from...
[42:44.920 --> 42:45.320]  Caramel?
[42:45.920 --> 42:46.320]  Car...
[42:46.320 --> 42:46.940]  Well, I don't...
[42:46.940 --> 42:47.560]  I can't see it.
[42:47.620 --> 42:47.920]  Caramel.
[42:48.920 --> 42:49.580]  In New York?
[42:49.580 --> 42:50.080]  New York.
[42:50.280 --> 42:50.380]  All right.
[42:50.500 --> 42:51.240]  Yes, thank you.
[42:51.380 --> 42:52.280]  Rick from Caramel, New York.
[42:52.280 --> 42:52.420]  Not Kevin.
[42:52.440 --> 42:54.100]  Let's make sure we don't repeat yet.
[42:54.400 --> 42:56.020]  I think the first one was Rick, was it?
[42:56.180 --> 42:58.980]  We want to thank Christina from Charlestown.
[42:59.280 --> 43:00.120]  From Charlestown.
[43:00.240 --> 43:00.460]  Okay.
[43:00.680 --> 43:03.280]  And I don't know if we have repeated yet, have we?
[43:03.420 --> 43:03.880]  We have.
[43:03.960 --> 43:04.200]  We have.
[43:04.200 --> 43:04.960]  I'm sorry, Rob T.
[43:05.060 --> 43:06.540]  Firefly, we ran out of names.
[43:06.660 --> 43:10.720]  If more people would call in, then he wouldn't have been left holding the bag there.
[43:11.160 --> 43:15.200]  We're going to thank the volunteers down there who are doing a splendid job.
[43:15.260 --> 43:15.460]  Yes.
[43:15.560 --> 43:17.120]  And we have three calls on the line right now.
[43:17.760 --> 43:21.960]  So our goal is to make it to $1,000 for this hour.
[43:22.140 --> 43:25.560]  212-209-2950.
[43:25.560 --> 43:25.700]  Hello.
[43:26.000 --> 43:27.700]  Please support non-commercial radio.
[43:27.940 --> 43:30.100]  Keep alternative thoughts coming your way.
[43:30.180 --> 43:30.420]  A-Team.
[43:30.680 --> 43:31.020]  Yeah.
[43:31.160 --> 43:36.240]  I just want to remind everyone listening how truly important WBAI, and in specific, this show is.
[43:36.420 --> 43:40.220]  Because what is represented here is the true essence of the human spirit.
[43:40.520 --> 43:42.760]  Creativity, expression, experimentation.
[43:43.640 --> 43:50.260]  And with corporate radio, all of those things, every single last one of them is gridlocked and controlled and offers none of that.
[43:50.340 --> 43:52.180]  And without that, what have you really got at all?
[43:52.380 --> 43:53.120]  Got nothing.
[43:53.120 --> 44:00.200]  You've got nothing and you can prove you have nothing simply by taking a little trip around the FM dial and seeing what you have in addition to WBAI.
[44:00.260 --> 44:09.820]  And I think you'll soon realize that there's not a whole lot out there that's interested in what you have to say and giving you the opportunity to actually participate.
[44:10.180 --> 44:17.660]  Where else will you hear people on the radio jamming cell phones or turning off televisions or even talking about the inner workings of hope?
[44:17.780 --> 44:20.160]  There's no other place on the FM dial.
[44:20.200 --> 44:20.800]  We've done.
[44:20.940 --> 44:22.080]  We've done all that, haven't we?
[44:22.080 --> 44:25.720]  Over the years, this radio show, this show has been coming your way since 1988.
[44:26.220 --> 44:27.920]  The station has been on the air since 1960.
[44:28.120 --> 44:36.460]  And all that time, the things that have been done on this frequency, just on this one frequency in this one city, it's historic in nature.
[44:36.580 --> 44:45.200]  The things that happen in this room in one day, this control room here in this radio station, the people who come in and talk about all sorts of different issues, we're just one show.
[44:45.200 --> 44:47.400]  One show that's on for one hour a week.
[44:47.720 --> 44:55.860]  And we focus on issues of hacking and technology and Orwellian aspects of society and various things like that.
[44:55.920 --> 44:59.240]  It's developed a tremendous following over the years.
[44:59.240 --> 45:04.080]  But imagine that multiplied by however many other hours there are in the week.
[45:04.100 --> 45:07.820]  And you realize how important this place actually is, how many people are affected by it.
[45:07.920 --> 45:13.340]  So that's why it's important that the people turn around and show support to the radio station so that we can continue doing this.
[45:13.340 --> 45:19.740]  It's expensive to run a radio station even if you don't have all the expenses that a commercial station has.
[45:19.820 --> 45:30.200]  It's just extremely expensive in New York City to have a transmitter, to have all the equipment, just to make voices come out over the radio and to play music and things like that.
[45:30.840 --> 45:32.760]  A lot of it is volunteer-driven.
[45:33.140 --> 45:35.440]  None of us at this show get paid for anything we do.
[45:35.560 --> 45:36.960]  We should, but we don't.
[45:37.540 --> 45:39.400]  But at this particular place, it's...
[45:39.400 --> 45:40.280]  In fact, we donate.
[45:40.620 --> 45:44.740]  We donate lots of things to the radio station because we recognize how important it is.
[45:44.840 --> 45:47.620]  Kevin, you've got a fistful of cash there that I imagine you're going to be donating.
[45:47.900 --> 45:48.460]  All of it.
[45:48.960 --> 45:49.740]  Well, good, good.
[45:50.180 --> 45:52.240]  Did not Kevin mug somebody on the street?
[45:52.500 --> 45:53.400]  That's all I want to know.
[45:53.980 --> 45:54.820]  He may have.
[45:54.880 --> 45:56.040]  It's for a good cause.
[45:56.900 --> 45:59.480]  I don't know if that's ever for a good cause, but...
[46:00.080 --> 46:00.840]  Yeah, okay.
[46:01.000 --> 46:02.760]  Well, it's important.
[46:02.920 --> 46:05.140]  When you donate to the radio station, it's actually a very good feeling.
[46:05.140 --> 46:13.020]  I've donated to this radio station and other radio stations, and it's great to know that you're a part of it, that you actually are helping to build it, to keep it going.
[46:13.200 --> 46:16.420]  We have four calls on the line, 212-209-2950.
[46:16.420 --> 46:18.480]  I hope that's why the number hasn't been increasing.
[46:18.740 --> 46:25.080]  I hope when we go into the tally room later, we'll see the number is in the quadruple digits at least, over $1,000.
[46:26.040 --> 46:26.880]  That matters.
[46:26.980 --> 46:27.420]  Go ahead, Ruddy.
[46:28.600 --> 46:35.640]  Yes, you need to donate to the radio station, WPAI-212-209-2950.
[46:35.860 --> 46:37.100]  We need your money.
[46:37.240 --> 46:40.960]  We need you to call in right now, and we need you to donate.
[46:41.840 --> 46:43.760]  Support free radio.
[46:44.080 --> 46:45.000]  Do it now.
[46:45.240 --> 46:46.060]  Don't just sit there.
[46:46.180 --> 46:47.000]  Don't think about it.
[46:47.160 --> 46:51.540]  Pick up that phone right now and call us, 212-209-2950.
[46:51.540 --> 46:55.600]  I want to see the phone lines light up after that appeal, because I know this...
[46:55.600 --> 46:55.660]  I know.
[46:55.840 --> 46:57.380]  I tried the deep sound...
[46:57.380 --> 47:01.760]  You know, it works down here when the televangelists get on the air, so...
[47:01.760 --> 47:02.440]  Yeah, why?
[47:02.600 --> 47:03.200]  Why does...
[47:03.200 --> 47:04.460]  Ruddy, why does that work?
[47:04.580 --> 47:11.040]  What is it that they're appealing to that makes people pick up the phone and call and give all this money to ministers and things?
[47:11.660 --> 47:12.060]  And...
[47:12.060 --> 47:12.880]  Retirement homes.
[47:12.940 --> 47:13.660]  I don't know.
[47:13.760 --> 47:14.960]  Yeah, what do they get out of it?
[47:15.940 --> 47:16.500]  I don't...
[47:16.500 --> 47:18.420]  I mean, here you get something tangible.
[47:18.420 --> 47:23.600]  You get a radio station and actually broadcast interesting material that you can call up and be a part of.
[47:23.960 --> 47:27.820]  But, man, these people who just donate to rich preachers and...
[47:27.820 --> 47:28.880]  I have figured it out.
[47:28.940 --> 47:29.160]  Okay.
[47:30.940 --> 47:31.380]  And...
[47:32.720 --> 47:36.260]  Hopefully I don't wind up really getting myself into real trouble for it.
[47:36.320 --> 47:38.980]  We need to print out off-the-hook prayer cloths.
[47:39.840 --> 47:40.280]  Okay.
[47:40.560 --> 47:41.420]  Well, that's something that...
[47:41.420 --> 47:43.440]  We can give those away for donations.
[47:43.760 --> 47:44.320]  If you...
[47:44.880 --> 47:47.460]  I don't know how we're going to pull this off, but...
[47:47.460 --> 47:47.920]  Well...
[47:48.540 --> 47:48.920]  We'll...
[47:48.920 --> 47:49.980]  We'll certainly come up with it.
[47:50.400 --> 47:51.460]  We'll come up with some ideas.
[47:52.280 --> 47:52.680]  Mm-hmm.
[47:53.620 --> 47:54.700]  But, yeah, they...
[47:54.700 --> 47:55.540]  You definitely...
[47:55.540 --> 47:57.520]  If you're listening right now, you need to pick up the phone.
[47:57.600 --> 48:00.920]  If you haven't picked up the phone yet, even if you have donated.
[48:01.500 --> 48:01.840]  Mm-hmm.
[48:01.880 --> 48:03.020]  And you go, you know what?
[48:03.020 --> 48:05.240]  I found a couple extra cents in the pocket.
[48:05.460 --> 48:06.100]  You know?
[48:06.220 --> 48:08.040]  Some extra laundry money or something.
[48:08.360 --> 48:09.100]  Pick up the phone.
[48:09.220 --> 48:09.380]  Call.
[48:09.540 --> 48:11.540]  212-209-2950.
[48:11.760 --> 48:12.620]  We'll be happy.
[48:13.160 --> 48:13.600]  All right.
[48:14.700 --> 48:21.280]  Well, even though we don't have printer cloths, we do have fetching shirts and that tape, which we've been playing clips of.
[48:21.420 --> 48:21.800]  That's right.
[48:21.880 --> 48:23.620]  We have the 7 Dirty Words CD.
[48:23.820 --> 48:25.000]  Yours for a pledge is $75.
[48:25.200 --> 48:29.380]  And we also have, for the same pledge, the off-the-hook t-shirts.
[48:29.380 --> 48:32.800]  And in fact, you'll get the off-the-hook t-shirts for every pledge $25 and above.
[48:33.000 --> 48:37.080]  But the more, the better, because it gets us closer to that goal.
[48:38.020 --> 48:40.260]  212-209-2950.
[48:40.500 --> 48:41.920]  That's our telephone number.
[48:42.120 --> 48:43.860]  We have two calls on the line right now.
[48:43.980 --> 48:44.800]  Let's make that five.
[48:44.800 --> 48:47.560]  We have a bunch of people down there ready to take your call.
[48:48.300 --> 48:51.300]  I'd just like to remind our listeners that what you're hearing right now, this is it.
[48:51.420 --> 48:52.740]  This is how this station survives.
[48:52.960 --> 48:54.660]  We don't sell you soft drinks.
[48:54.660 --> 48:56.040]  We don't sell you beer.
[48:56.460 --> 49:02.780]  We don't get paid to play the five songs that someone somewhere said should be popular this week.
[49:02.980 --> 49:06.720]  This is all that keeps this station in the black.
[49:06.860 --> 49:08.020]  We're real human beings.
[49:08.120 --> 49:08.920]  We're not on tape.
[49:09.020 --> 49:09.640]  We're not on satellite.
[49:09.640 --> 49:17.800]  We're actually here in a studio in New York City begging for money because it's what keeps this radio station going since 1960.
[49:17.800 --> 49:20.000]  I think we're the first station to actually do that.
[49:20.000 --> 49:24.880]  You can blame PBS on us because we started begging for money before anybody else did.
[49:25.060 --> 49:30.400]  And I guess it worked enough so that other stations started to do that as well.
[49:30.480 --> 49:38.700]  But we're different from the big stations that get all kinds of corporate grants in addition to their listener funds.
[49:38.720 --> 49:40.820]  We just rely on the listener funds.
[49:41.020 --> 49:42.500]  You're what make it all possible.
[49:44.280 --> 49:45.760]  212-209-2950.
[49:45.880 --> 49:46.900]  The phone lines are open now.
[49:47.040 --> 49:47.740]  They're wide open.
[49:47.740 --> 49:50.900]  So please call up and help that number go up.
[49:51.340 --> 49:56.120]  We had one person call in just now wanting to know something about the Hope Conference.
[49:56.500 --> 50:00.080]  In fact, this is something we made reference to on yesterday's radio show on the other station.
[50:00.700 --> 50:02.220]  Yes, there was a secret message.
[50:02.300 --> 50:06.760]  In fact, you know, I wanted to clarify again that there was a misunderstanding about the name of the conference.
[50:06.760 --> 50:08.280]  It was called the last hope.
[50:08.400 --> 50:11.600]  And we're sorry if people took that to mean that it was the final hope.
[50:11.720 --> 50:13.160]  That's not at all what we ever intended.
[50:14.040 --> 50:17.860]  Simply, it's an allusion to the fact that it's the hope that just concluded, the most recent one.
[50:18.640 --> 50:21.120]  And, of course, the one that follows this will be the next hope.
[50:21.940 --> 50:28.540]  Again, this works for now because the one that just happened is the last hope and the one that's coming up is the next hope.
[50:28.540 --> 50:32.640]  When the next hope, though, is over, it's going to get a little confusing because...
[50:32.640 --> 50:42.520]  Yeah, because when we refer to the last hope, we'll either be referring to the one that was the next hope or the one that was two hopes ago, meaning the one that just finished in 2008.
[50:42.840 --> 50:48.120]  And when we refer to the next hope, are we referring to the one that just happened or the one that's coming after that?
[50:48.300 --> 50:51.160]  Yeah, I realize we have a lot of work ahead of us to make that...
[50:51.160 --> 50:52.860]  I'm going to make it easy for you.
[50:52.940 --> 50:53.280]  All right, go ahead.
[50:53.840 --> 51:01.040]  For anybody out there that might be listening to us in radio land that hasn't donated yet... See, I had to put that in.
[51:01.840 --> 51:04.680]  There will always be hope.
[51:05.380 --> 51:05.820]  Ah.
[51:07.040 --> 51:07.480]  Boom.
[51:07.680 --> 51:07.980]  Okay.
[51:08.820 --> 51:10.660]  Well, that makes it nice and simple.
[51:11.440 --> 51:13.220]  Yes, there will always be hope.
[51:13.440 --> 51:13.760]  All right.
[51:13.840 --> 51:15.100]  Well, that brought in three calls.
[51:15.220 --> 51:17.180]  212-209-2950.
[51:17.340 --> 51:18.240]  Let's keep them coming in.
[51:18.240 --> 51:26.700]  Okay, so somebody called in during this pledge break and asked us what the secret message was on the Last Hope Conference program.
[51:27.720 --> 51:29.740]  And designed, by the way, by Mark S.
[51:30.000 --> 51:39.360]  over there, who worked long and tirelessly to make sure people knew where they were going and could see all the talks that we were presenting, a hundred of them.
[51:39.480 --> 51:40.240]  It's incredible.
[51:41.220 --> 51:47.020]  We had a secret message in there that was supposed to actually make it simple for people to realize that this was not the final hope.
[51:47.520 --> 51:55.500]  At the bottom, if you go to page... I guess this starts at page three, you'll see at the bottom in the center, there's a letter.
[51:55.920 --> 51:57.740]  And on page five, there's another letter.
[51:57.880 --> 52:01.080]  Every odd page on the inside of the program has a letter.
[52:01.280 --> 52:08.260]  And if you put all the letters together, it spells out the phrase, envelope hid the byte.
[52:10.200 --> 52:10.640]  What?
[52:10.760 --> 52:12.120]  You're looking at me like that doesn't make any sense.
[52:12.220 --> 52:13.180]  Envelope hid the byte.
[52:13.300 --> 52:14.060]  B-Y-T-E.
[52:14.360 --> 52:15.440]  Byte, as in computer byte.
[52:16.480 --> 52:23.580]  Okay, that might not make a whole lot of sense to you, but when you realize that that's an anagram for something else, then all of a sudden, yeah, it makes sense now, doesn't it?
[52:23.900 --> 52:24.100]  Uh-huh.
[52:26.120 --> 52:28.500]  So, you don't know what the anagram is?
[52:28.660 --> 52:30.240]  You can't figure it out in your head?
[52:30.460 --> 52:30.780]  No?
[52:30.960 --> 52:36.220]  At the conference, I was in the middle of writing a Perl script to figure it out, but then my laptop battery died.
[52:36.300 --> 52:37.580]  Otherwise, I would have had it.
[52:37.780 --> 52:38.660]  Yeah, otherwise, right.
[52:38.740 --> 52:41.360]  If not for that, if not for that A-team, you would have been the one.
[52:41.520 --> 52:41.720]  Yep.
[52:41.720 --> 52:45.880]  Okay, if you mix up the letters a little bit... Oh, look who strolled in.
[52:45.960 --> 52:48.640]  Redhack is here in the last two minutes of the fundraiser.
[52:48.940 --> 52:53.840]  I just... I actually ran from the subway station because I wanted to say how important it is that people donate to the station.
[52:54.320 --> 52:55.240]  It really makes a difference.
[52:55.640 --> 52:56.800]  See, that's dedication.
[52:57.180 --> 53:00.700]  All right, well, let's make sure Redhack's run from the subway station wasn't in vain.
[53:00.840 --> 53:02.760]  There were two calls on... Oh, there's one call on the line now.
[53:02.760 --> 53:05.920]  If a few more come in, then we won't chastise them too much after the show.
[53:06.100 --> 53:08.020]  212-209-2950.
[53:08.380 --> 53:09.380]  We're up to 700 bucks.
[53:09.480 --> 53:09.940]  That's good.
[53:10.140 --> 53:10.580]  That's good.
[53:10.600 --> 53:12.300]  We're almost within reach of 1,000.
[53:12.780 --> 53:14.340]  So we got to make that 1,000.
[53:14.420 --> 53:15.280]  We got to make that 1,000.
[53:16.180 --> 53:17.560]  They'll hit us after the show.
[53:17.640 --> 53:17.900]  They do.
[53:18.440 --> 53:20.520]  Just like you hit me with every magazine and book.
[53:20.540 --> 53:21.160]  Well, you asked.
[53:21.200 --> 53:21.920]  You asked for it.
[53:21.980 --> 53:23.960]  You asked me to hit you on the head with the 2,600 book.
[53:24.080 --> 53:26.680]  No, you asked me to come up to the market.
[53:26.680 --> 53:28.680]  I think maybe I hit you too hard and you forget now.
[53:28.920 --> 53:29.700]  What are we talking about?
[53:29.700 --> 53:30.020]  Yeah.
[53:30.400 --> 53:33.320]  Anyway, we're talking right now about the hidden message.
[53:33.320 --> 53:38.540]  And if you rearrange the anagram for envelope, hid the bite, it actually spells out, don't believe the hype.
[53:39.640 --> 53:46.260]  Yeah, don't believe the hype, which basically was as clear a message as we could possibly send that, no, it's not the last final hope.
[53:46.340 --> 53:48.320]  And all the people telling you that are just misleading you.
[53:49.400 --> 53:50.960]  But apparently nobody...
[53:50.960 --> 53:52.100]  Everybody got it.
[53:52.180 --> 53:52.580]  Go ahead, Rody.
[53:54.400 --> 53:55.120]  This is Mike.
[53:55.240 --> 53:55.440]  I'm just...
[53:55.440 --> 53:55.860]  Oh, I'm sorry, Mike.
[53:55.880 --> 53:56.360]  I'm not that clear.
[53:56.800 --> 53:57.180]  What?
[53:57.280 --> 53:57.640]  Say that again?
[53:58.100 --> 53:59.100]  It's not that clear.
[53:59.100 --> 54:00.220]  What's not... What clear?
[54:01.020 --> 54:02.320]  This whole anagram thing.
[54:02.380 --> 54:04.900]  If that's the clearest message we could possibly send, we're in trouble.
[54:05.120 --> 54:07.960]  Well, I think you know the condition that we were in during that week.
[54:07.960 --> 54:10.420]  I think it was the clearest message we could send at that point.
[54:11.260 --> 54:12.540]  Yeah, we're just starting...
[54:12.540 --> 54:13.360]  We're starting to get...
[54:13.360 --> 54:14.740]  I have a clearer message, though.
[54:14.920 --> 54:15.720]  Okay, go ahead, Mike.
[54:15.940 --> 54:25.540]  The clearer message is that if you want this radio station to stay on the air, if you want this program to stay on the air, you need to call 212-209-2950 and put your support.
[54:25.540 --> 54:29.320]  Yeah, you know, we're in a bit of trouble here because we only have seven minutes left.
[54:29.320 --> 54:41.140]  We're at $700 and we need more calls to bring us over $1,000 or we are going to face some wrath outside because we're not pitching in enough.
[54:41.280 --> 54:42.100]  We should be pitching in.
[54:42.260 --> 54:44.300]  We might have to raise the funds here in this room.
[54:44.440 --> 54:45.240]  I'm going to go pledge.
[54:45.240 --> 54:46.340]  You're going to go pledge, Red Hecht?
[54:46.500 --> 54:47.720]  You're not just going to run out the door.
[54:47.900 --> 54:48.460]  All right.
[54:48.700 --> 54:50.880]  I think they're going to go to the pitchforks and...
[54:50.880 --> 54:51.840]  Pitchforks and...
[54:51.840 --> 54:52.920]  Yeah, it's getting ugly.
[54:53.080 --> 54:53.520]  Yeah, Bernie.
[54:53.700 --> 54:54.060]  Pitchforks.
[54:54.140 --> 54:55.100]  They showed us the pitchforks.
[54:55.120 --> 54:55.620]  Bernie, go ahead.
[54:56.060 --> 54:58.940]  Yes, I have something that might get our listeners excited.
[54:59.520 --> 55:03.080]  Our longtime co-host, Jeopardy!
[55:03.160 --> 55:10.060]  Jim, who was at the Hope Conference, his first public appearance since his stroke last year, who's listening to the show right now.
[55:10.160 --> 55:10.600]  Hello, Jim.
[55:11.220 --> 55:21.900]  I have reports from one of the professionals treating him, a psychologist, that he's made a remarkable improvement since the last Hope Conference.
[55:22.420 --> 55:25.240]  He can now, instead of...
[55:25.240 --> 55:27.560]  Mike, will you tell your buses to shut up?
[55:30.800 --> 55:31.520]  Go ahead.
[55:31.960 --> 55:32.400]  Thank you.
[55:32.500 --> 55:32.860]  Sorry about that.
[55:32.880 --> 55:33.620]  I think you hit the mute button.
[55:33.620 --> 55:43.100]  Well, prior to the Hope Conference, Jim, who had all his mental faculties, was unable to handwrite more than a couple of characters.
[55:43.560 --> 55:53.780]  But after all the exposure to all the stimulation and stimulating information at Hope, he's now able to write out a complete series of entire words.
[55:54.120 --> 56:07.060]  And she attributes this amazing spike in progress to all the information he got at the last Hope, which is the kind of information we release here on Off the Hook.
[56:07.420 --> 56:10.820]  So, Jim, I'm glad you're listening and glad you're doing better.
[56:11.140 --> 56:15.340]  And I just want our listeners to know that this is the kind of stuff we do on the station.
[56:15.340 --> 56:17.180]  We release information that helps people.
[56:17.600 --> 56:19.980]  And I'd like to give out Jim's address, if you've got a second.
[56:20.020 --> 56:20.440]  Go right ahead.
[56:20.840 --> 56:21.140]  Okay.
[56:21.200 --> 56:29.860]  For people that want to send a letter to Jim congratulating him on his success, you can send it to the Caton Park Nursing Home, that's C-A-T-O-N.
[56:30.900 --> 56:39.420]  Attention, Jim Vichensch, V-I-C-H-E-N-C-H, at 1312 Caton Avenue, room 312B, as in Bravo.
[56:39.780 --> 56:42.500]  And that's in Brooklyn, New York, 11226.
[56:42.600 --> 56:44.680]  Just send Jim a note if you can or a card.
[56:45.860 --> 56:49.040]  Any type of stimulation he gets to his brain is very helpful.
[56:49.040 --> 56:51.320]  And there's nothing more stimulating than off the hook.
[56:51.980 --> 56:55.440]  Well, I don't know about that, but it certainly does help.
[56:55.440 --> 57:00.420]  And it's very inspiring to just see people pitching in, helping out.
[57:00.540 --> 57:03.640]  And in this particular case, having a very real effect on a very real person.
[57:03.900 --> 57:06.220]  And seeing him at the conference was just...
[57:06.220 --> 57:08.840]  It was so inspiring to me and to so many others.
[57:09.800 --> 57:12.760]  And thanks, Bernie, for all your efforts in making that possible.
[57:13.520 --> 57:14.440]  There were a lot of other people, too.
[57:14.780 --> 57:15.900]  Yeah, there were.
[57:15.900 --> 57:24.700]  But I think it's testimony to how much we care about each other and how the community can help in all sorts of different ways.
[57:24.820 --> 57:29.060]  And yes, this particular place, this radio station, is so essential to things like that.
[57:29.620 --> 57:35.980]  And I dare say, not very many other places on the FM dial give those kind of opportunities.
[57:36.460 --> 57:36.960]  Rob T.
[57:37.040 --> 57:38.940]  Firefly, we have a name for you to read now, finally.
[57:39.200 --> 57:39.580]  Yes, indeed.
[57:39.720 --> 57:42.340]  I'd like to say a big thank you to John from Edison, New Jersey.
[57:42.460 --> 57:45.340]  Okay, so we filled in that particular hole.
[57:45.900 --> 57:48.920]  And we have a few more calls coming in.
[57:49.100 --> 57:51.220]  I'd like to see one final flurry.
[57:52.560 --> 57:54.800]  212-209-2950.
[57:55.000 --> 57:59.300]  Again, the actual CD that you will get is the Seven Dirty Words.
[58:00.060 --> 58:02.260]  A unique mix here at the radio station.
[58:02.480 --> 58:06.960]  For a $75 pledge, 212-209-2950.
[58:06.960 --> 58:09.680]  Please keep those calls coming in.
[58:10.040 --> 58:10.300]  All right.
[58:10.480 --> 58:11.620]  We are out of time.
[58:11.860 --> 58:13.760]  The personal computer show is up next.
[58:14.540 --> 58:16.200]  And I want to thank everybody for calling in.
[58:16.920 --> 58:18.440]  Encourage you to keep calling in.
[58:18.560 --> 58:20.120]  212-209-2950.
[58:20.300 --> 58:21.060]  We'll be back again next week.
[58:21.100 --> 58:22.420]  We won't be begging for money next week.
[58:22.760 --> 58:26.960]  So hopefully, hopefully everybody will have called in by then and pledged their support.
[58:27.060 --> 58:28.560]  Brought us over the number that we need to be over.
[58:29.240 --> 58:31.300]  For Emanuel Far Off The Hook, have a good night.
[58:31.320 --> 58:33.020]  Here's a song about telephones.
[58:33.020 --> 58:34.280]  See if you can figure out who it is.
[58:34.320 --> 58:34.520]  Good night.
[58:36.100 --> 58:39.260]  I think he's somewhere down south.
[58:39.980 --> 58:42.300]  Down about Baton Rouge.
[58:43.420 --> 58:47.240]  But I just can't remember no number.
[58:47.460 --> 58:50.120]  A number I can use.
[58:51.220 --> 58:52.920]  Directory don't have it.
[58:53.240 --> 58:54.640]  Central done for God.
[58:55.020 --> 58:57.200]  Got to find a number to use.
[59:05.830 --> 59:08.650]  Trying to check out a number.
[59:09.590 --> 59:12.350]  Trying to run down a line.
[59:13.710 --> 59:19.590]  Operator says that's privileged information and it ain't no business of mine.
[59:20.550 --> 59:22.650]  It's flooding down in Texas.
[59:22.670 --> 59:24.530]  The poles are out in Utah.
[59:24.950 --> 59:27.090]  Got to find a private line.
[59:30.280 --> 59:32.960]  You could be hanging around a steel mill.
[59:34.040 --> 59:36.760]  Working in a house with blue lights.
[59:37.920 --> 59:41.200]  Riding to getaway bus out of Portland.
[59:41.600 --> 59:43.940]  Talking to the night.
[59:44.460 --> 59:46.620]  I don't know where she's going.
[59:46.820 --> 59:48.500]  I don't care where she's been.
[59:49.020 --> 59:51.360]  Long as she's been doing it right.
[01:00:18.650 --> 01:00:21.190]  Long as she's been doing it right.
[01:00:22.690 --> 01:00:24.370]  Woo, yeah.
[01:00:24.370 --> 01:00:26.090]  How about those subways?
[01:00:26.290 --> 01:00:30.870]  You know, Mayor Bloomberg, he might get on the subway from his limo.
[01:00:30.950 --> 01:00:32.470]  But does he ever get a seat?
[01:00:32.750 --> 01:00:34.010]  That is the question.
[01:00:34.010 --> 01:00:34.030]  Move in.
[01:00:34.030 --> 01:00:34.130]  There's also such a bit of something.
[01:00:34.130 --> 01:00:34.250]  And this is the second one.