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[00:51.230 --> 00:54.250]  It's 7 o'clock time for Off the Hook.
[01:01.120 --> 01:02.580]  I ripped it off the wall.
[01:03.660 --> 01:05.580]  I cut myself while shaving.
[01:06.160 --> 01:08.120]  Now I can't make a cough.
[01:08.980 --> 01:10.920]  We couldn't get much worse.
[01:13.760 --> 01:16.360]  Bon Biddley Bum, but the best is back the worst.
[01:17.060 --> 01:18.880]  I hope that's understood.
[01:19.220 --> 01:19.960]  Bon Biddley Bum!
[01:54.410 --> 01:55.350]  And good evening to everybody.
[01:55.450 --> 01:56.290]  The program is Off the Hook.
[01:56.350 --> 01:58.650]  Emmanuel Goldstein here with you on this Wednesday evening.
[01:58.650 --> 02:00.270]  Joined tonight by Mike.
[02:00.590 --> 02:00.890]  Hi.
[02:01.150 --> 02:01.430]  Jim.
[02:01.890 --> 02:02.110]  Hello.
[02:02.390 --> 02:02.730]  Red Hat.
[02:02.950 --> 02:03.110]  Hello.
[02:03.690 --> 02:04.110]  Rob T.
[02:04.270 --> 02:04.750]  Firefly.
[02:04.990 --> 02:05.310]  Good evening.
[02:05.510 --> 02:05.930]  Voltaire.
[02:06.130 --> 02:07.230]  Insert catchphrase here.
[02:07.950 --> 02:09.090]  Don't be a wise guy, Voltaire.
[02:09.150 --> 02:09.710]  Nobody likes that.
[02:10.110 --> 02:12.610]  And down in Philadelphia is Bernie S.
[02:13.350 --> 02:14.310]  Greetings, Philadelphia.
[02:14.650 --> 02:15.970]  Bernie, you're particularly low tonight.
[02:16.150 --> 02:17.650]  Are you using your Sprint PCS phone?
[02:18.030 --> 02:25.230]  I am, but I'm also trying not to cough because I've been way too much smog in Beijing and my voice is weak.
[02:25.550 --> 02:27.910]  Yeah, but you've been back from Beijing for a while now.
[02:28.330 --> 02:30.350]  Two weeks, but I still have this nasty cough.
[02:30.710 --> 02:32.830]  If you ever go to China, don't breathe the air there.
[02:32.970 --> 02:33.450]  Really bad.
[02:33.610 --> 02:36.090]  Have you tried standing on your head and seeing if it'll come out?
[02:37.230 --> 02:37.990]  No, I haven't.
[02:38.050 --> 02:38.610]  That's a good idea.
[02:38.790 --> 02:40.210]  Yeah, why don't you do the show that way, Bernie?
[02:40.550 --> 02:43.690]  And, yeah, it's interesting.
[02:44.090 --> 02:45.610]  So, maybe you have swine flu.
[02:45.710 --> 02:46.450]  Is that possible?
[02:46.910 --> 02:49.650]  We were jotting down a number of people we know who have swine flu.
[02:49.890 --> 02:52.010]  I don't dig on swine, but that's okay.
[02:52.190 --> 02:53.210]  Actually, we're not even supposed to call it that.
[02:53.250 --> 02:54.230]  We're supposed to call it H1N1.
[02:54.610 --> 02:54.870]  Right.
[02:55.070 --> 02:56.490]  Out of deference to the swine.
[02:56.490 --> 03:05.350]  You know, when I landed in Shanghai, the Chinese police had these infrared cameras pointed at everybody getting off the plane.
[03:05.550 --> 03:09.750]  As soon as you get off the plane, you get off the jetway thing or whatever.
[03:10.010 --> 03:14.750]  They had these cameras pointed at everybody's face that you walked by, and it detected where you had a fever.
[03:14.970 --> 03:17.770]  And if you did, they'd pull you away and put you in quarantine right away.
[03:17.770 --> 03:21.610]  Apparently, nobody on, at least at my part of the line, was quarantined.
[03:21.770 --> 03:23.250]  But it was very eerie.
[03:23.410 --> 03:25.650]  Is that what happened to Mayor Ray Nagin from New Orleans?
[03:25.650 --> 03:27.510]  He was quarantined in China.
[03:27.930 --> 03:31.210]  I think maybe he was just on a plane with somebody else who had it.
[03:31.910 --> 03:32.210]  Ooh.
[03:32.430 --> 03:32.590]  Yeah.
[03:32.730 --> 03:46.150]  This sounds a lot more rigorous than the procedure I was subjected to in Morocco this summer, which is they fill out a form, and you fill out a form, are you sick, yes, no, and then you hand it to a nurse who looks at you and decides you're not really sick and lets you in.
[03:46.690 --> 03:47.270]  I see.
[03:47.470 --> 03:48.630]  How did you fill out your form?
[03:48.770 --> 03:50.110]  I said, no, I'm not sick.
[03:50.170 --> 03:50.370]  Okay.
[03:50.430 --> 03:51.890]  As opposed to the system in the U.S.
[03:51.950 --> 03:55.050]  where you fill out a form that says, are you sick, yes, or no, and they just look at the form.
[03:56.110 --> 03:57.430]  Well, I'm not even aware of that.
[03:57.430 --> 04:01.870]  I have to say that that would be about as rigorous a system as the inspection I got.
[04:02.550 --> 04:02.910]  Okay.
[04:02.990 --> 04:06.390]  Well, anyway, getting to real news tonight.
[04:07.690 --> 04:08.290]  Oh, boy.
[04:08.830 --> 04:09.190]  Okay.
[04:09.370 --> 04:10.330]  Facebook in the news again.
[04:10.330 --> 04:20.470]  But this time, it's an interesting story, having to do with this guy who got snagged for a robbery somewhere uptown.
[04:22.150 --> 04:35.150]  And basically, this is the first time I think this has happened, where Facebook has been used before, my source has been used before, to catch people at crimes because they say, no, I didn't commit the crime, but yet their Facebook page is boasting about the crime.
[04:35.150 --> 04:42.710]  In this particular case, this guy, Rodney Bradford, was picked up for a robbery.
[04:43.210 --> 04:51.210]  And it turns out that he had just updated his Facebook page at the very time of the robbery.
[04:51.590 --> 04:57.630]  He was in Harlem visiting his father at the time, which is a claim supported by his father and his stepmother.
[04:58.470 --> 05:13.030]  Now, the prosecutor in this case said that, in principle, anyone who knew Mr. Bradford's username and password could have typed the Facebook update, but he regards it as unlikely in this case.
[05:13.070 --> 05:14.230]  Actually, that's his lawyer saying that.
[05:14.610 --> 05:18.070]  This implies a level of criminal genius that you would not expect from a young boy like this.
[05:18.070 --> 05:19.270]  He says he is not Dr. Evil.
[05:19.950 --> 05:24.670]  He added that the Facebook entry was just the icing on the cake, since his client had other alibis.
[05:25.690 --> 05:29.390]  And basically, the Brooklyn District Attorney...
[05:29.930 --> 05:31.990]  I guess the robbery took place in Brooklyn.
[05:32.210 --> 05:33.230]  He was in the Bronx.
[05:33.330 --> 05:34.090]  Okay, so that's how he...
[05:34.090 --> 05:34.730]  He was in Harlem.
[05:34.950 --> 05:36.390]  He was in Harlem, okay.
[05:36.390 --> 05:38.530]  But alleged to be robbing someone in Brooklyn.
[05:38.650 --> 05:39.710]  The robbery took place in Brooklyn.
[05:39.910 --> 05:40.410]  Hard to do.
[05:40.630 --> 05:40.930]  All right.
[05:41.110 --> 05:42.430]  Yeah, you can't be in two places at once.
[05:43.090 --> 05:47.890]  So the Brooklyn District Attorney said the prosecution contacted Facebook.
[05:47.890 --> 05:49.070]  We were told of this alibi.
[05:49.250 --> 05:52.230]  We contacted people, researched, and discovered that it was accurate.
[05:52.670 --> 06:05.370]  But this guy, Joseph Polini, who teaches in the Department of Law, Police Science, and Criminal Justice Administration at John Jay College of Criminal Justice, which I believe is also in Brooklyn, said prosecutors should not have been so quick to drop the charges.
[06:05.390 --> 06:09.110]  With a username and password, anyone can input data in a Facebook page.
[06:09.110 --> 06:10.990]  Some of the brightest people on the Internet are teenagers.
[06:11.430 --> 06:13.630]  They know the Internet better than a lot of people.
[06:13.810 --> 06:13.990]  Why?
[06:14.650 --> 06:16.190]  Because they use it all the time.
[06:16.350 --> 06:20.610]  So, folks, remember, if you use the Internet all the time, you'll get really good at it.
[06:20.730 --> 06:22.230]  So they could develop an alibi, he continued.
[06:22.370 --> 06:23.990]  They watch television, the movies.
[06:24.410 --> 06:29.630]  There is a multitude of reasons why someone of that age would have the knowledge to do a crime like that.
[06:29.730 --> 06:30.890]  It has to be someone of that age.
[06:30.970 --> 06:33.990]  I mean, that's a really weird statement.
[06:34.470 --> 06:37.090]  But the attorney said the DA did a good job.
[06:37.130 --> 06:38.470]  She wasn't out collecting trophies.
[06:38.530 --> 06:40.570]  She worked overtime to ascertain the truth.
[06:41.010 --> 06:48.850]  Now, a Mr. Bradford, who has stayed in Harlem with his father since the case was dismissed, said he is thinking about hanging out with a different crowd and going back to school to become an electrician.
[06:49.230 --> 06:52.030]  His friends, though, have taken to calling him the Facebook kid.
[06:52.490 --> 07:02.390]  It doesn't say anywhere in this article from the New York Times why they picked him up in the first place, is how the geniuses in the NYPD figured out it was allegedly him.
[07:02.630 --> 07:03.150]  He was black.
[07:03.890 --> 07:04.610]  Well, you know what?
[07:04.610 --> 07:08.470]  There's lots of black people that they could have pinned it on, so I don't know if that's going to be the excuse they use.
[07:09.990 --> 07:10.630]  Yeah, it's...
[07:10.630 --> 07:11.210]  Well, now, Rob T.
[07:11.310 --> 07:19.530]  Firefly, you looked into this story a little bit, and I think you actually have the status update that this guy used that proved his innocence?
[07:19.890 --> 07:21.650]  Yes, the status update in question.
[07:22.070 --> 07:25.190]  The Times and some other news outlets have been vague about it, just saying it was something involving...
[07:26.810 --> 07:27.210]  Pancakes.
[07:27.370 --> 07:28.030]  Involving pancakes.
[07:28.250 --> 07:31.070]  Well, according to the New York Times, it says, where's my pancakes was the phrase.
[07:31.170 --> 07:33.530]  But you did some research and discovered it was something else.
[07:33.530 --> 07:34.250]  That's not quite accurate.
[07:34.530 --> 07:47.710]  People out there have zoomed in on a screenshot of Facebook and checked his actual Facebook and found out that the actual update in question, the one that determined the course of criminal proceedings against him, actually read, and I quote, on the phone with this fat chick,
[07:48.050 --> 07:49.190]  where are my IHOP?
[07:50.450 --> 07:51.750]  Where are my IHOP?
[07:51.750 --> 07:56.330]  Where are, one word, W-H-E-R-E-R, my IHOP.
[07:56.810 --> 07:57.190]  Uh-huh.
[07:57.530 --> 08:02.930]  And how would you like that to be the sentence that determines the course of your criminal trial?
[08:04.110 --> 08:09.110]  Uh, that's, uh, yeah, that could be a very important sentence in his, uh, in his life.
[08:09.310 --> 08:09.450]  Altair.
[08:09.650 --> 08:22.370]  All right, well, um, and on a more serious note, the, the article from the New York Times is pretty inaccurate because they, well, not inaccurate per se, but they kind of let the, uh, that professor from John Jay College get away with saying that anybody could have faked this.
[08:22.470 --> 08:27.310]  But the, the point of the story was that it wasn't the login information that they used to prove as instance.
[08:27.610 --> 08:29.170]  It was, it was the IP address.
[08:29.290 --> 08:29.350]  Exactly.
[08:29.350 --> 08:30.910]  And they don't mention that anywhere in the New York Times.
[08:30.910 --> 08:31.730]  Yeah, they don't mention it in the article.
[08:31.730 --> 08:36.310]  And, you know, obviously, yeah, if you're just relying on the, uh, username and password, anybody could do that, sure.
[08:36.450 --> 08:39.610]  But you can't fake an IP address like, like, well, you could, but not like that.
[08:39.610 --> 08:42.510]  You can fake it, but you'd have to really be Dr. Evil to be able to do that.
[08:42.670 --> 08:50.870]  I think this is, this is at least the second time we've heard about technology and the tracking that is there, whether or not we know it, uh, actually getting someone off the hook.
[08:51.270 --> 08:51.970]  Um, I mean...
[08:51.970 --> 08:52.730]  Are you trying to make a joke?
[08:52.830 --> 08:53.370]  Is that what you're doing?
[08:53.810 --> 08:55.450]  No, that was completely unintentional.
[08:55.530 --> 09:05.750]  But, um, I mean, the first time we heard about this was somebody who was acquitted because their MetroCard logs, uh, they had an unlimited MetroCard prove that they were in a different place at the time the crime was committed.
[09:05.930 --> 09:10.110]  And now this is, uh, you know, someone's internet activity is being used.
[09:10.310 --> 09:15.130]  Uh, and I think that's interesting and it's also interesting to see when it'll be used for the inverse.
[09:15.330 --> 09:20.210]  I mean, it is used for the inverse all the time, but, uh, it's nice to see it come to some good for once.
[09:20.270 --> 09:22.390]  But something like a MetroCard, there's other data to back it up.
[09:22.490 --> 09:24.630]  There's cameras in the stations, there's cameras in MetroCard machines.
[09:24.630 --> 09:28.290]  You can track down the, the, the card in question and see, you know, who bought it and so on.
[09:28.290 --> 09:35.810]  But, uh, in this case, I'm wondering why they didn't, uh, let the, let the proceedings go on and actually subpoena the quote-unquote fat chick in question.
[09:36.630 --> 09:38.090]  Yeah, who was that exactly?
[09:38.390 --> 09:39.990]  And, uh, what was, uh, what was going on there?
[09:40.210 --> 09:41.590]  And, uh, will she provide an alibi?
[09:42.430 --> 09:45.130]  Maybe she'll just be very upset at being referred to in that, in that manner.
[09:45.330 --> 09:48.070]  Well, also, this may not have been the only reason they dropped the charges.
[09:48.330 --> 09:49.750]  Again, they said that he had other alibis.
[09:50.070 --> 09:54.910]  So he had, uh, his parents and, and probably, maybe they did, uh, talk to whoever he was on the phone with.
[09:58.290 --> 09:59.090]  I don't know, um...
[09:59.090 --> 10:00.390]  They may have had some reason.
[10:00.650 --> 10:01.210]  Yeah, that's true.
[10:01.210 --> 10:02.610]  It may have not been a very good one, but...
[10:02.610 --> 10:05.350]  Well, it could have been, I mean, as he said, he wanted to hang out with different people.
[10:05.450 --> 10:06.050]  It could have been the connections.
[10:06.190 --> 10:07.970]  Maybe some other people he knew were connected to the crime.
[10:07.990 --> 10:09.050]  Maybe someone pinned it on him.
[10:09.190 --> 10:09.530]  That's true.
[10:09.710 --> 10:10.650]  We can only speculate.
[10:10.970 --> 10:11.790]  Maybe it was IHOP.
[10:12.070 --> 10:14.090]  Uh, is there an IHOP anywhere in that area?
[10:14.130 --> 10:16.030]  I thought IHOP wasn't around this...
[10:16.030 --> 10:18.050]  I think there's IHOP, uh, farther up.
[10:18.250 --> 10:18.670]  Maybe in the Bronx.
[10:19.030 --> 10:20.290]  Okay, well, I've learned something then.
[10:20.450 --> 10:22.090]  Because I, I didn't think there were any in, in Manhattan.
[10:23.030 --> 10:23.530]  I don't know.
[10:23.590 --> 10:24.670]  I think there might be in the Bronx.
[10:24.670 --> 10:28.150]  Maybe this is all a viral marketing ploy by IHOP to get interest in the brand.
[10:28.690 --> 10:30.130]  Well, I'm, I'm pretty interested in that.
[10:30.610 --> 10:31.210]  Um, okay.
[10:31.370 --> 10:35.070]  And, uh, of course, we've all heard the, uh, the story about the, uh, dictionary word of the year.
[10:35.210 --> 10:35.590]  What is it?
[10:35.830 --> 10:36.390]  Who knows?
[10:36.710 --> 10:37.510]  Oh, unfriend.
[10:37.610 --> 10:37.970]  There you go.
[10:38.050 --> 10:38.730]  You got it right away.
[10:38.890 --> 10:39.070]  Yeah.
[10:39.170 --> 10:40.070]  You really study this.
[10:40.650 --> 10:41.270]  Uh, yes.
[10:41.370 --> 10:44.490]  The new Oxford American dictionary word of the year is unfriend.
[10:44.630 --> 10:46.630]  You know, I thought the, the proper use was defriend.
[10:46.890 --> 10:47.950]  I thought you defriended somebody.
[10:48.010 --> 10:48.750]  You unfriend somebody?
[10:48.950 --> 10:54.490]  Yeah, when people talk about it, especially in terms of, I would assume, Facebook, uh, it's, they say, I unfriended that person.
[10:54.990 --> 10:55.310]  Okay.
[10:56.550 --> 11:06.130]  Um, unfriend beat out a tech heavy field that included netbook, hashtag, and sexting to, uh, take the annual, uh, annual honor.
[11:06.650 --> 11:08.830]  Um, so, uh, what'd you hand me this phone for, Mike?
[11:08.830 --> 11:09.670]  It has a map on it.
[11:09.770 --> 11:12.790]  What do I need to look at a map when I'm on the, where, where, where things are?
[11:13.010 --> 11:13.730]  What am I looking at?
[11:13.870 --> 11:14.750]  Oh, probably IHOP.
[11:14.850 --> 11:15.590]  I see Central Park.
[11:15.690 --> 11:16.430]  Oh, an IHOP.
[11:16.510 --> 11:17.090]  Is that what you looked at?
[11:17.530 --> 11:17.850]  Okay.
[11:18.370 --> 11:18.690]  There you go.
[11:18.930 --> 11:19.250]  Uptown.
[11:19.370 --> 11:20.310]  You like your new phone, Mike?
[11:20.390 --> 11:22.390]  Because you keep handing me your phone, showing me things.
[11:22.390 --> 11:25.090]  It's, uh, you have one of the, uh, the, the, the droid phones, right?
[11:25.290 --> 11:25.310]  Oh, yeah.
[11:25.690 --> 11:28.090]  You actually switched to Verizon to get a droid phone.
[11:28.230 --> 11:28.470]  It's true.
[11:28.690 --> 11:28.810]  Yeah?
[11:28.990 --> 11:29.930]  Do you recommend people do that?
[11:30.970 --> 11:32.430]  Uh, if they want to.
[11:32.870 --> 11:33.130]  Okay.
[11:33.350 --> 11:33.530]  All right.
[11:33.530 --> 11:38.290]  I have no specific problem with it, but I'm not going to, like, tell everyone that they should switch.
[11:38.430 --> 11:38.870]  All right.
[11:39.490 --> 11:39.930]  Uh, yes.
[11:40.050 --> 11:43.330]  Yeah, I think in terms, uh, you mentioned it might be unfriend or defriend.
[11:43.330 --> 11:50.230]  I think in terms of the etymology, it's probably because generally when you add somebody as a friend, the verb that's used commonly nowadays is to friend somebody.
[11:50.390 --> 11:54.190]  And, like, much like you would do something or undo it, you would friend someone or unfriend them.
[11:54.310 --> 11:56.450]  So that's probably where that came from.
[11:56.510 --> 11:58.530]  I don't quite understand why Facebook is getting all the credit, though.
[11:58.610 --> 12:03.230]  I'm pretty sure that, uh, some of us were unfriending people on LiveJournal, uh, five, perhaps.
[12:03.250 --> 12:03.450]  Yeah.
[12:03.650 --> 12:05.850]  And maybe some of us unfriended people in real life.
[12:06.390 --> 12:06.790]  That's it.
[12:06.990 --> 12:08.710]  Really ahead of the, uh, ahead of the curve here.
[12:08.950 --> 12:10.450]  Boy, this is a big article about this.
[12:10.510 --> 12:13.030]  They sure do, uh, they talk about all the words.
[12:13.170 --> 12:18.830]  A hashtag is the symbol, looks like a pound sign, used on Twitter posts to allow them to be found more easily by other users.
[12:18.950 --> 12:25.690]  A netbook is a small portable laptop, and sexting is the act of sending sexually explicit texts or photos on a mobile phone.
[12:26.090 --> 12:30.330]  Uh, other tech-related finalists this year, and I've never heard this one, were Paywall.
[12:30.830 --> 12:31.190]  Paywall?
[12:31.490 --> 12:31.750]  What?
[12:31.750 --> 12:32.370]  Has anybody heard it?
[12:32.430 --> 12:32.550]  No?
[12:33.130 --> 12:33.310]  What's that, Jim?
[12:33.610 --> 12:33.770]  Yeah.
[12:34.590 --> 12:35.330]  You know this, Phil, too?
[12:35.330 --> 12:42.150]  That's what the Wall Street Journal has done in the past, and what Rupert Murdoch is claiming to want to do with everything, where he'll charge money to read an article.
[12:42.910 --> 12:45.770]  A way of blocking parts of a website to all but paying customers.
[12:45.790 --> 12:46.170]  Very good.
[12:46.310 --> 12:48.830]  Okay, then maybe you can tell us what intoxicated means.
[12:50.390 --> 12:51.150]  Texting while drunk.
[12:51.310 --> 12:52.150]  Yeah, I would assume.
[12:52.490 --> 12:53.290]  You know, everyone might.
[12:53.390 --> 12:56.270]  The state of being distracted while driving because of sending a text message.
[12:56.490 --> 12:58.170]  But, you know, we've talked about that subject many times.
[12:58.290 --> 13:00.410]  We've never come across the word intoxicated before.
[13:00.590 --> 13:01.210]  I think they made that one up.
[13:01.310 --> 13:02.010]  I think so, too.
[13:05.790 --> 13:13.210]  The economy provided a zombie bank, a financial institution still operating, even though its liabilities are greater than its assets.
[13:13.490 --> 13:20.390]  And politics brought us birther, which Oxford describes as a conspiracy theorist who challenges President Obama's U.S.
[13:20.450 --> 13:20.830]  birth certificate.
[13:20.990 --> 13:21.570]  I've heard that.
[13:21.610 --> 13:22.270]  I've heard that used.
[13:22.350 --> 13:24.330]  I didn't know what people were talking about, but now it makes sense.
[13:24.450 --> 13:24.710]  Birther.
[13:24.710 --> 13:26.130]  And they're not going to mention teabagger?
[13:26.930 --> 13:28.650]  No, I don't think that's in here.
[13:29.050 --> 13:31.750]  Well, it's not on that list on the wall, so I...
[13:31.750 --> 13:33.610]  I think that's already in certain dictionaries.
[13:33.690 --> 13:35.750]  It is in certain dictionaries, but not for the reasons that you're bringing up.
[13:36.630 --> 13:37.250]  Let's see.
[13:37.590 --> 13:40.550]  Debate about the decision was ongoing on blogs as recently as yesterday.
[13:40.830 --> 13:41.390]  Yes, that's true.
[13:41.970 --> 13:45.770]  Chief among the issues of dispute, whether unfriend or defriend was the proper word.
[13:45.770 --> 13:50.490]  Wow, I'm right in tune with them for weeding somebody out from one's online circle.
[13:51.350 --> 13:55.350]  Frustrated that unfriend is the word of the year, it's definitely defriend when referencing Facebook.
[13:55.530 --> 13:59.070]  One Twitter user wrote, adding the hashtag...
[13:59.070 --> 14:00.190]  Come on, Mike, you can get this one.
[14:01.570 --> 14:02.870]  What's the hashtag going to be?
[14:03.090 --> 14:04.350]  Something fail, Oxford fail?
[14:04.430 --> 14:05.110]  Dictionary fail.
[14:05.210 --> 14:05.890]  That was close.
[14:06.470 --> 14:07.550]  Others defended the choice.
[14:07.630 --> 14:12.110]  Defriend makes me think of defoliate and, well, I don't know, it sounds weird, one wrote.
[14:14.050 --> 14:14.730]  You know what?
[14:14.730 --> 14:16.290]  But I'm not going to spend any more time on this.
[14:16.290 --> 14:16.770]  I'm sorry.
[14:16.890 --> 14:18.990]  We spent too much time on it already, but it is kind of funny.
[14:19.310 --> 14:21.650]  Bernie, any thoughts from down south?
[14:22.990 --> 14:26.710]  I have never been defriended because I have never joined Facebook.
[14:26.910 --> 14:28.710]  So that's how I avoid being defriended.
[14:29.110 --> 14:33.330]  Well, Bernie, you realize that if you don't join Facebook, someone else can join Facebook and say they're you.
[14:33.690 --> 14:34.990]  And what are you going to do about that?
[14:35.370 --> 14:36.630]  They probably already have.
[14:36.910 --> 14:38.890]  Well, they haven't tried to friend me yet.
[14:39.030 --> 14:43.050]  Facebook will probably reject him with a one-letter last name.
[14:43.350 --> 14:43.970]  Bernie S?
[14:43.970 --> 14:45.570]  Yeah, they won't think that's his real name.
[14:45.670 --> 14:46.110]  That's true.
[14:46.730 --> 14:47.670]  Well, we'll have to find out.
[14:47.970 --> 14:49.190]  Maybe I could spell it phonetically.
[14:49.550 --> 14:49.790]  Uh-huh.
[14:51.350 --> 14:51.690]  Okay.
[14:52.390 --> 14:52.910]  Yes, go ahead.
[14:52.910 --> 14:55.530]  I actually found something interesting in terms of Facebook rejecting people.
[14:55.690 --> 14:56.890]  I had to make a test account.
[14:57.010 --> 15:01.510]  And if you try to use test as one of the names, they won't let that through.
[15:01.570 --> 15:05.210]  So if your real name is test, you're going to have to contact them.
[15:05.410 --> 15:06.610]  I couldn't use...
[15:06.610 --> 15:08.330]  You know how you can use nicknames in Facebook?
[15:08.330 --> 15:12.330]  I couldn't use hacker or any derivative of hacker, and they weren't being used by anybody else.
[15:12.450 --> 15:13.910]  They blocked the word hacker.
[15:14.170 --> 15:19.230]  I think what I finally wound up using was something ridiculously long, like, why can't my username be hacker at Facebook?
[15:19.790 --> 15:26.390]  Which is silly, but you can't use things like hacker 2600 or, you know, somebody the hacker or anything like that.
[15:26.550 --> 15:27.150]  It doesn't work.
[15:27.150 --> 15:27.890]  It's not a real name, though.
[15:28.050 --> 15:35.550]  Didn't we have a major hacking at the Beyond Hope conference?
[15:35.750 --> 15:36.850]  And his name was hacking.
[15:36.910 --> 15:37.670]  His name was hacking.
[15:37.730 --> 15:39.330]  And there are people whose last name is hacker, too.
[15:39.530 --> 15:40.930]  So, yeah, it's entirely possible.
[15:40.930 --> 15:42.650]  We could start a class action shoot, I suppose.
[15:44.010 --> 15:45.850]  But we'll put that on the list of things to do.
[15:46.150 --> 15:46.330]  Okay.
[15:46.430 --> 15:52.110]  Now, speaking of Verizon, there's all kinds of talk about them because of the new phones that they introduced recently.
[15:52.110 --> 15:58.250]  Um, and, uh, this, um, this listener writes in, uh, named Cass, writes in asking a couple of questions.
[15:58.530 --> 16:01.150]  Uh, Verizon recently introduced Fios in our area.
[16:01.310 --> 16:05.050]  Yesterday, a man showed up at my door and tried to convince me to subscribe to the service.
[16:05.370 --> 16:08.270]  I told him I have Comcast and that they have a promotional rate.
[16:08.450 --> 16:11.030]  He agreed that it is lower than that offered by Verizon.
[16:11.470 --> 16:15.770]  After he left, I got a mysterious phone call, supposedly from Comcast.
[16:15.990 --> 16:19.890]  The woman on the phone told me that my promotional Comcast rate expires in 30 days.
[16:19.890 --> 16:22.530]  And then my monthly rate will go up to $109.
[16:23.130 --> 16:25.890]  When I asked her for a breakdown of this rate, she did not know the details.
[16:26.350 --> 16:32.050]  After I told her that with such an increase, I will probably cancel Comcast's service, she told me to call Comcast's business office.
[16:32.330 --> 16:36.090]  I then called Comcast and found out that what this woman told me was a pack of lies.
[16:36.290 --> 16:38.170]  My promotional rate still has several months to run.
[16:38.310 --> 16:41.930]  And even if it expires, the regular rate for my service would be $55 a month.
[16:42.370 --> 16:47.810]  The call sounded like a scam from Verizon to scare Comcast customers into signing up for Fios.
[16:47.950 --> 16:49.470]  Would they really stoop to this level?
[16:49.470 --> 16:51.250]  Well, either that or someone's trying to...
[16:51.250 --> 16:55.330]  I mean, they could have sent someone to the door, find out what they have, and then call them and try to...
[16:55.330 --> 16:57.670]  I mean, you have a phone book, you have an address in there.
[16:57.750 --> 16:59.690]  But that person represented Verizon when they came to the door.
[16:59.690 --> 17:01.370]  Maybe, or they had a Verizon shirt on.
[17:01.630 --> 17:09.710]  So what would be in for that person to come to your door with a fake Verizon identification and try to get you to sign up for Verizon unless you were working for Verizon?
[17:10.330 --> 17:11.890]  Is there any reason why somebody would do that?
[17:12.290 --> 17:12.710]  Go ahead, Brian.
[17:12.710 --> 17:20.790]  My guess is that Verizon has a bunch of so-called independent contractors working for them, basically freelance salespeople.
[17:21.010 --> 17:28.430]  They're going around knocking on doors, and they get a flat fee for everybody they sign up for FIOS.
[17:28.670 --> 17:44.750]  And I imagine that some of these freelance peace rate, peace work, independent salespeople are kind of scurrilous and unethical and may be trying to boost their sales rate by scaring people.
[17:44.890 --> 17:53.610]  You know, Bernie, just like private contractors over in Iraq represent the United States, people who work for Verizon, whether they're independent or not, they represent Verizon.
[17:53.610 --> 17:57.250]  So I don't think they can get away with it by blaming it on some independent people.
[17:57.310 --> 17:58.350]  They're supposed to check these guys out.
[17:58.430 --> 17:59.510]  They're supposed to be somewhat reputable.
[17:59.850 --> 18:02.810]  They're wearing the Verizon shirt, so they work for Verizon.
[18:03.010 --> 18:05.550]  Well, but maybe Verizon doesn't know this is happening.
[18:05.730 --> 18:10.830]  So I mean, the person who emailed this, I suggested that he contact Verizon and say, hey, this is what happened.
[18:11.030 --> 18:16.350]  You might want to check that out because Verizon will have records of which sales guy was in that particular area or whatever.
[18:16.730 --> 18:19.090]  You know, Verizon can't be a mind reader and know everything going on.
[18:19.170 --> 18:21.210]  Not that I generally stand up for telephone companies.
[18:21.210 --> 18:25.330]  But in this case, Verizon might not know it's independent contractors being unethical.
[18:25.330 --> 18:27.630]  But if they knew, they probably would get rid of them.
[18:27.910 --> 18:29.310]  I think they kind of do that.
[18:29.650 --> 18:32.870]  Like, it's semi-intentionally, they'll say that.
[18:33.010 --> 18:40.870]  It's kind of like Steve Brownbaum talks about with government outsourcing a database and stuff to private institutions.
[18:40.870 --> 18:44.470]  They're not like saying, okay, you go out, you have free reign to abuse this.
[18:44.590 --> 18:49.630]  But they're kind of like, I guess, like giving a blinding approval, I guess.
[18:49.630 --> 18:55.250]  Well, it's also the case that if this did happen, it happened by way of a phone call.
[18:55.370 --> 18:59.650]  So there's no way to even prove that the person lying had any connection to Verizon.
[18:59.770 --> 19:06.290]  But there's, you know, there's that evidence that, well, this person was just at my door, you know, circumstantial evidence.
[19:06.490 --> 19:08.970]  And now I'm getting this phone call based on the same thing.
[19:09.090 --> 19:09.750]  It's kind of weird.
[19:09.750 --> 19:13.930]  Also, you know, I've had the Cablevision three-for-one deal.
[19:14.150 --> 19:21.630]  That's where you get connectivity and television and telephone service for one price.
[19:21.630 --> 19:22.590]  And it lasts for a year.
[19:22.750 --> 19:24.010]  I got mail from Verizon.
[19:24.270 --> 19:26.110]  And they knew that it was expiring soon.
[19:26.110 --> 19:27.010]  How did they know this?
[19:27.150 --> 19:32.030]  How are they tapping into Cablevision's billing records and knowing these things?
[19:32.030 --> 19:40.210]  They probably bought it from a third-party vendor, which buys it from Cablevision under some excuse and probably sells Verizon's information to Comcast as well.
[19:40.270 --> 19:43.350]  Well, why is there a third-party vendor with this information?
[19:43.550 --> 19:45.990]  Because we have no data privacy protection in this country.
[19:45.990 --> 19:49.830]  Speaking of privacy being dead, I don't know if anybody caught Steve Rambam was on CNN this week.
[19:49.990 --> 19:59.510]  Our good friend who speaks at Hope had a nice feature piece about how people can have all kinds of information about them out there on the internet if they're not careful.
[19:59.510 --> 20:01.270]  And most people are not very careful.
[20:02.030 --> 20:05.850]  Now, something else involving Verizon, and I learned this by looking at some news stories.
[20:06.630 --> 20:08.570]  And, Mike, tell me if you ever have this problem.
[20:08.890 --> 20:09.990]  Anyone else use Verizon here?
[20:10.150 --> 20:10.810]  Verizon Wireless?
[20:11.310 --> 20:11.830]  Nobody else?
[20:11.930 --> 20:12.250]  Oh, you do.
[20:12.310 --> 20:12.670]  In the past.
[20:12.790 --> 20:13.010]  Okay.
[20:13.530 --> 20:18.330]  Did you ever have a mysterious data charge to show up, $1.99 on your bill?
[20:18.590 --> 20:22.570]  Apparently, it's very easy to hit a button that's next to the talk button.
[20:22.690 --> 20:28.090]  And if you hit the button, just apparently hitting it on certain phones, right away, it starts a data connection.
[20:28.090 --> 20:30.390]  And if you hang up immediately, you still get charged $1.99.
[20:30.590 --> 20:31.390]  It's never happened to me.
[20:31.750 --> 20:35.130]  My ancient phone apparently doesn't have that feature or bug.
[20:35.350 --> 20:41.130]  But I've read so many comments from people saying, yes, this is legendary with Verizon.
[20:42.150 --> 20:48.450]  And apparently, many, many people get bilked into paying for things that they didn't want just by hitting the wrong key.
[20:48.450 --> 20:51.570]  Yeah, I think the Senate is opening an inquiry into this.
[20:51.710 --> 20:52.850]  Oh, as well they should.
[20:54.050 --> 20:54.490]  Okay.
[20:54.490 --> 20:57.910]  And we had another letter from a listener named Tony.
[20:58.070 --> 21:00.450]  And I believe, Barney, you had some suggestions for this.
[21:00.970 --> 21:05.150]  He wanted to know, is there a way to interface data from an old word processor to a computer?
[21:05.470 --> 21:10.590]  And is there a device that can transpose vocal dictation to written words?
[21:10.930 --> 21:12.090]  Any advice on this?
[21:13.250 --> 21:22.990]  Yeah, I suggested to the guy, I think he's probably talking about, there were, back in the 80s and early 90s, maybe mid-90s, there were dedicated word processor machines out there.
[21:23.070 --> 21:24.110]  They kind of looked like a PC.
[21:24.330 --> 21:27.690]  They had a cathode ray tube or an LCD screen.
[21:28.090 --> 21:29.370]  Some of them used diskettes.
[21:29.670 --> 21:33.210]  Some of them used, like, really weird, non-standard type diskettes.
[21:35.110 --> 21:37.370]  Panasonic sold a lot of them, but there were some other companies, too.
[21:37.370 --> 21:42.870]  I know someone who wrote a book on theirs, and they needed to transfer it over to a PC format.
[21:43.130 --> 21:53.650]  And I had to track down, there are companies out there that will take these non-standard diskette formats and convert them to something that's readable on a PC file, and they'll email it to you.
[21:54.850 --> 21:55.930]  But if it's on a...
[21:55.930 --> 21:56.910]  But if it's...
[21:56.910 --> 22:02.170]  There's also some free software out there you could probably find online, if you look, that will convert these file formats.
[22:02.170 --> 22:07.710]  But it's tricky, and it's one of the concerns that I have about all these aging media formats.
[22:08.030 --> 22:08.950]  There's a lot of...
[22:08.950 --> 22:18.230]  Like, if this person apparently wrote a book, and it's on some format that they can't get it off, sometimes you can just get locked into that format and never get your data out again if your machine dies.
[22:18.630 --> 22:25.770]  So we're going to run into this more and more, I think, as information on floppy disks or even CDs become obsolete.
[22:26.510 --> 22:34.850]  The data will just no longer be readable, or it may just expire, unlike printed paper, which lasts, you know, for centuries.
[22:35.150 --> 22:35.970]  Very true, very true.
[22:36.250 --> 22:38.490]  I mean, there are books that are around from the 1700s.
[22:38.630 --> 22:43.190]  You can, you know, it's not a good idea to carry them around with you on the subway, but you can still look at them.
[22:44.130 --> 22:47.490]  I hesitate to think what a floppy disk from that long ago would look like.
[22:48.250 --> 22:52.710]  So I'm hoping this guy can find someone that will translate his data.
[22:52.710 --> 22:58.550]  There's another question, is there anything that will transcribe voice into text?
[22:58.850 --> 23:01.830]  And there are some programs out there, like Dragon is one company.
[23:01.910 --> 23:05.530]  There's other companies out there that sell that, but I don't think any of them are ready for prime time yet.
[23:05.530 --> 23:10.090]  I think the error rate is too high, and you still have to go back and correct all the errors.
[23:10.250 --> 23:12.990]  So we're not quite to Star Trek yet, where everything is perfect.
[23:13.570 --> 23:24.130]  There's an additional risk as more and more people are storing their data not on their own media at all, but on servers controlled by companies that they have no long-term contract with.
[23:24.430 --> 23:32.910]  And there's a real risk that if you have your data with company X and company X goes out of business, there's no guarantee of what will happen to your data.
[23:33.010 --> 23:34.670]  There are so many ways to lose data.
[23:34.670 --> 23:44.350]  Even things that I thought were important a decade or so ago, I had a hell of a time trying to find copies on my own computer system.
[23:44.530 --> 23:51.290]  And I thought I had saved it someplace, but eventually I wound up finding a copy on someone else's computer system.
[23:51.450 --> 23:54.650]  And that was a backup file of something.
[23:54.790 --> 23:59.810]  It was incredible how the things that you think are important wind up being the first things to go.
[23:59.810 --> 24:02.890]  And of course, you wind up with a lot of nonsense that you don't need.
[24:04.130 --> 24:09.450]  But formats change, things go bad, hard drives get lost, all kinds of things that can happen.
[24:09.490 --> 24:13.110]  And we might think that by digitizing things, we're saving them for forever.
[24:13.830 --> 24:17.350]  Many times we're saving them for a lesser period of time than ever before.
[24:17.570 --> 24:26.050]  Yeah, I was very lucky because when I came back to the States, we had a robbery or a burglary in our apartment.
[24:26.050 --> 24:33.090]  And I had my laptop or my old laptop that was stolen, along with the backup hard drive that was sitting next to it.
[24:33.390 --> 24:33.630]  Nice.
[24:33.950 --> 24:35.870]  So you keep the backup right next to the computer.
[24:35.970 --> 24:36.430]  Well, I did.
[24:36.530 --> 24:36.930]  I don't anymore.
[24:37.690 --> 24:43.350]  And I was very lucky in that a few months earlier, I had actually upgraded the hard drive of that laptop.
[24:43.490 --> 24:47.970]  So I still have the old hard drive with most everything up until a few months earlier.
[24:48.610 --> 24:53.910]  But were it not for that, I would have lost pretty much every photo I'd taken since 2003.
[24:53.910 --> 24:54.410]  Yeah.
[24:54.970 --> 24:57.670]  And so that would have been an incredible loss.
[24:58.050 --> 24:59.910]  Obviously, now I keep my backup in a different place.
[25:00.030 --> 25:02.450]  But that just kind of hit home.
[25:02.550 --> 25:03.710]  I'd never really thought about that before.
[25:03.810 --> 25:05.250]  You should keep your backup in a different state.
[25:05.490 --> 25:06.170]  It should not be in this...
[25:06.170 --> 25:08.630]  Because if a city gets nuked, all right, you're going to lose everything.
[25:08.850 --> 25:12.230]  If the city gets nuked, I'm probably not going to care much about my data.
[25:12.350 --> 25:16.210]  Well, I mean, that's rather pretentious to say that you're the one that's going to decide if your data is important.
[25:16.310 --> 25:19.030]  I think the rest of humanity should be, you know...
[25:19.570 --> 25:22.730]  Well, my only other option then is to store the data in the cloud somewhere.
[25:22.730 --> 25:23.130]  There you go.
[25:23.170 --> 25:24.610]  Whether or not I trust the cloud.
[25:24.790 --> 25:27.070]  Yeah, it's a question of security versus...
[25:27.730 --> 25:31.590]  Security of privacy, rather, and saving your data.
[25:31.690 --> 25:39.450]  I mean, obviously, there are ways to store your data in other places on the internet as long as you keep it encrypted in a way in which nobody else will be able to read it, hopefully.
[25:40.030 --> 25:43.270]  The amount of people who know how to do that is extremely small.
[25:43.370 --> 25:47.290]  Well, I'm not saying that other people would do that, but I'm saying that I could do that if I was concerned.
[25:47.590 --> 25:47.830]  Mm-hmm.
[25:48.230 --> 25:50.870]  There's also upgrades, upgrades to certain programs.
[25:50.870 --> 25:55.930]  I had an EVI file I was able to look at on my old PC, my old ancient PC from seven years ago.
[25:56.070 --> 25:58.010]  And I tried to play it the other day, and it doesn't play anymore.
[25:58.010 --> 26:02.090]  Even though it's, you know, the same program supposedly is called up, it's incompatible.
[26:02.430 --> 26:06.670]  And there are other instances where an upgrade will make something just look worse.
[26:06.670 --> 26:09.390]  So you have to keep changing your parameters.
[26:09.430 --> 26:13.330]  Otherwise, you just might wind up completely incompatible with the future.
[26:13.570 --> 26:14.390]  It's kind of sad.
[26:14.530 --> 26:15.110]  Try VLC.
[26:15.110 --> 26:15.890]  It plays everything.
[26:16.310 --> 26:17.390]  I did try VLC.
[26:17.570 --> 26:17.910]  Didn't work?
[26:17.930 --> 26:18.730]  And it did not work.
[26:18.990 --> 26:19.170]  Yeah.
[26:19.430 --> 26:19.930]  It did not work.
[26:20.070 --> 26:21.330]  So this is incompatible format.
[26:21.510 --> 26:22.490]  And there's all kinds of things.
[26:22.570 --> 26:25.130]  I mean, this is a nightmare scenario that happens to everybody at some point.
[26:25.710 --> 26:33.870]  So you just, I guess, store things in as many different formats as you can, or just keep checking to make sure that it doesn't go bad.
[26:33.990 --> 26:34.330]  Or give up.
[26:34.470 --> 26:34.550]  Yeah.
[26:34.770 --> 26:35.770]  Or just go analog.
[26:36.810 --> 26:37.170]  Yeah.
[26:37.430 --> 26:37.710]  Okay.
[26:38.070 --> 26:38.430]  What?
[26:39.230 --> 26:41.370]  Are you going to store your files on what cassette tapes?
[26:41.370 --> 26:41.510]  Well, no.
[26:41.590 --> 26:43.650]  I mean, you know, maybe print out your pictures.
[26:43.890 --> 26:45.410]  Have photo albums like people used to do.
[26:45.410 --> 26:47.170]  Because people never lose paper.
[26:47.430 --> 26:49.430]  Well, I mean, it's just one other way of backing things up.
[26:49.430 --> 26:53.690]  Well, I mean, you know, photo albums are a good idea, at least for me, in terms of photos, right?
[26:53.730 --> 26:57.170]  Because then, worst case, I have at least the best photos I've ever taken.
[26:58.570 --> 26:59.250]  Yeah, absolutely.
[26:59.370 --> 27:02.570]  I lose my printed photos way more easily than I lose my files.
[27:02.590 --> 27:05.710]  Okay, but if I hold a magnet up to your printed photos, nothing's going to happen to them.
[27:05.870 --> 27:06.150]  All right?
[27:06.310 --> 27:09.430]  Whereas in one second, I could wipe out everything of yours.
[27:09.690 --> 27:13.730]  But if you hold up a magnifying glass to the printed photos, then it's not going to help.
[27:14.130 --> 27:14.410]  No?
[27:14.850 --> 27:15.370]  Well, it's not going to hurt?
[27:15.450 --> 27:17.190]  Well, you mean if the sun is shining down on it?
[27:17.270 --> 27:17.910]  Well, yeah, but...
[27:17.910 --> 27:18.890]  You left out that part of it.
[27:18.890 --> 27:21.450]  But if you did that to a computer, it wouldn't harm it at all, so...
[27:21.750 --> 27:26.050]  Well, no, I think it might if you had a brilliant beam of heat hitting your computer.
[27:26.130 --> 27:26.530]  Well, you know what?
[27:26.550 --> 27:28.030]  There's all kinds of ways we can destroy things.
[27:28.210 --> 27:29.410]  I'm sure we can go into more detail.
[27:29.410 --> 27:31.410]  What's the lasers and sharks?
[27:31.610 --> 27:33.190]  If we have that, too, all our data is gone.
[27:33.390 --> 27:33.450]  Yeah.
[27:33.550 --> 27:41.370]  I think the point we're trying to make here is that if you just back up things in different formats and different parts of the planet, then you should be okay.
[27:41.710 --> 27:43.830]  But eventually, everything is going to be destroyed.
[27:43.830 --> 27:46.270]  So I guess we have to, you know, deal with that fact, too.
[27:46.270 --> 27:48.890]  Well, how long does your data really have to last?
[27:48.930 --> 27:49.610]  Longer than you?
[27:49.730 --> 27:49.930]  Yeah.
[27:50.050 --> 27:52.430]  Well, you know, I just like for it to be around as long as I need it.
[27:52.550 --> 27:59.870]  And so that, you know, I can look up something that happened in my past and know, yeah, that actually did happen, rather than have to, like, say, you know, when in the world was that?
[27:59.970 --> 28:00.330]  What happened?
[28:01.350 --> 28:02.130]  Yes, go ahead, Bernie.
[28:02.730 --> 28:10.730]  I just want to say that some of the oldest photographs in existence, I mean, from the dawn of early photography, have survived.
[28:11.770 --> 28:19.050]  And, you know, sometimes the people that took those photographs, which have amazing historical value, never really considered that they would be all that important.
[28:19.910 --> 28:32.770]  But I'm really wondering about, you know, some of the wonderful photographs that are taken today, whether they really will be around 100 or 150 years from now, or longer, it's really a blip in the time.
[28:32.770 --> 28:33.610]  And whether they should be.
[28:33.650 --> 28:38.870]  I mean, people are taking so many more photographs now that there are so many lousy photographs out there.
[28:38.950 --> 28:48.110]  I mean, keep in mind, the way it used to be, you used to have a roll of 12 or 24 or maybe 36 exposures on a roll of film, and now you have thousands and thousands on your digital camera.
[28:48.310 --> 28:52.950]  So people are just taking all kinds of pictures, and believe it or not, most of them really are terrible.
[28:53.210 --> 28:56.510]  So how many pictures do we want to wade through in the centuries ahead?
[28:56.670 --> 29:00.750]  But then on the other end of the spectrum, you have a lot of pictures that are also, you know, put online.
[29:01.030 --> 29:03.290]  So say on Flickr, you've got all these stunning photos.
[29:03.770 --> 29:07.610]  And to go back to what Mike said, we don't know that that'll be there forever.
[29:08.230 --> 29:10.790]  You know, just GeoCities closed down, what, a month ago?
[29:10.870 --> 29:15.570]  And I'm not saying that that was a fantastic service, but it was a service that was really big 10 years ago.
[29:15.570 --> 29:15.810]  Right.
[29:16.070 --> 29:19.630]  And now 10 years later, it's obsolete, and it's gone.
[29:19.830 --> 29:23.630]  But our friend Jason Skye wound up preserving most of it, along with some other people.
[29:23.810 --> 29:24.050]  Sure.
[29:24.230 --> 29:27.770]  But these things disappear whether or not you think they will.
[29:27.790 --> 29:28.350]  Yeah, no, that's true.
[29:28.350 --> 29:33.810]  And that's why you should never store things, you know, primarily on someone else's site, because yeah, they can definitely go away.
[29:33.830 --> 29:38.010]  I just wanted to point out that it's entirely possible to take awful photographs with analog film as well.
[29:38.010 --> 29:38.730]  Oh yeah, absolutely.
[29:38.870 --> 29:39.110]  Absolutely.
[29:39.290 --> 29:42.910]  But with less of them, less of them to worry about, it's easier to find the good ones.
[29:42.910 --> 29:44.150]  That's only because they cost more money.
[29:44.630 --> 29:44.990]  Yeah.
[29:45.450 --> 29:49.790]  I'm not even convinced that the percentage of bad photos has gone up.
[29:50.790 --> 29:58.050]  No, I think it stayed the same, but, well, no, I think it probably has gone up, because people are just taking more photos, because there's no cost anymore.
[29:58.210 --> 30:01.790]  Right, you take five photos of the same thing just to make sure that one of them turns out okay.
[30:01.890 --> 30:03.390]  Exactly, and you post all of them.
[30:03.510 --> 30:08.570]  But with film, you don't even know if it turned out okay with digital cameras, you can stop when it finally does.
[30:08.590 --> 30:10.770]  The Polaroid camera that you do, yeah, get one of those.
[30:11.370 --> 30:12.170]  Yeah, shake it for five minutes.
[30:13.370 --> 30:17.390]  Okay, here's something that's of interest to some of our listeners.
[30:17.730 --> 30:23.230]  Halifax customers have been hit by a power failure affecting all branches, cash machines, and online banking.
[30:23.350 --> 30:24.310]  What is Halifax, you might ask?
[30:24.390 --> 30:26.150]  Well, Halifax is not a city.
[30:26.250 --> 30:26.770]  Well, it is a city.
[30:26.790 --> 30:26.910]  Yes, it is.
[30:27.170 --> 30:28.870]  But not in this context.
[30:28.870 --> 30:31.010]  It's a bank, and it's a bank over in the UK.
[30:32.110 --> 30:42.890]  Halifax and Bank of Scotland services were disrupted by an external power failure at an IT center in Yorkshire, causing all kinds of issues.
[30:43.470 --> 30:44.770]  The power, of course, has been restored.
[30:44.950 --> 30:49.110]  But while it was going on, nobody was able to take any money out.
[30:49.230 --> 30:51.290]  Cash machines were out of service.
[30:52.090 --> 30:54.910]  Customers had their cards rejected by other cash machines.
[30:55.690 --> 31:01.850]  And basically, people had to greet people at the bank and tell them that all banking services are down and keep them out of the building.
[31:03.690 --> 31:12.670]  This story coming from the BBC basically says that customers were allowed to withdraw a maximum of 200 pounds because the bank could not check their account balance.
[31:12.790 --> 31:18.310]  So if the bank can check your account balance, you can take out up to about $400, according to this.
[31:18.890 --> 31:22.330]  And I guess if you can get the ATM to work in the first place, that's something.
[31:22.510 --> 31:27.230]  I know when I used to use ATMs back in the early days, they would go down for maintenance.
[31:27.650 --> 31:30.030]  The 24-hour machines were actually 23-hour machines.
[31:30.130 --> 31:31.570]  And it would go down for maintenance one hour a day.
[31:31.850 --> 31:38.410]  And if you went to a different bank that was networked into yours, you could take out money even if you didn't have it, because there was no way of checking.
[31:38.650 --> 31:40.690]  I think they've progressed beyond that point.
[31:40.830 --> 31:42.810]  I think they actually are able to check all the time now.
[31:43.510 --> 31:44.130]  But I don't know.
[31:44.250 --> 31:44.590]  Not if it breaks.
[31:45.150 --> 31:45.750]  If it breaks, yeah.
[31:45.750 --> 31:50.210]  I don't think it goes down for a scheduled hour a day, but sometimes it goes down.
[31:50.390 --> 31:50.650]  Mm-hmm.
[31:50.730 --> 31:52.630]  And you can get money you don't have.
[31:52.630 --> 31:53.330]  Yeah, that's true.
[31:53.450 --> 31:53.850]  It does happen.
[31:54.270 --> 31:57.690]  I mean, they find out, and you have to give the money back, but...
[31:57.690 --> 31:58.110]  Eventually.
[31:59.090 --> 32:03.110]  Okay, here's an interesting story that is one of the crazy ones that we get occasionally.
[32:03.510 --> 32:07.670]  The headline, Chinese woman offers to steal virtual vegetables for son.
[32:08.530 --> 32:10.430]  Yeah, I couldn't make this up if I tried.
[32:10.610 --> 32:15.310]  A woman in China has agreed to steal vegetables for her son if he performed well at school.
[32:15.710 --> 32:20.330]  Not real, but playing an online game requires people to steal and sell vegetables.
[32:20.530 --> 32:21.550]  That's according to a media report.
[32:21.550 --> 32:23.370]  This comes from an Indo-Asian news service.
[32:24.950 --> 32:27.970]  Wait, so stealing vegetables is an allowed part of the game?
[32:28.290 --> 32:29.090]  Uh, apparently.
[32:29.330 --> 32:33.470]  So she's just saying, if you go spend two hours studying, I'll spend two hours playing the game for you?
[32:33.570 --> 32:34.050]  That's much less exciting.
[32:34.050 --> 32:35.470]  This woman made a deal with her son.
[32:35.690 --> 32:37.470]  Her son, first of all, is a third grade high school...
[32:37.470 --> 32:38.670]  Third grade high school student.
[32:38.770 --> 32:39.330]  All right, which is it?
[32:39.370 --> 32:39.830]  I don't know.
[32:39.970 --> 32:40.610]  I don't know how it works over there.
[32:40.630 --> 32:41.710]  The third year of high school.
[32:41.930 --> 32:42.230]  Is that right?
[32:42.330 --> 32:42.550]  Okay.
[32:43.210 --> 32:47.830]  Well, you'd think that if he was in third grade, maybe this would make a little bit more sense of playing this kind of game.
[32:48.550 --> 32:54.130]  After finding out he was spending most of his time playing an online game, which requires players to plant, steal, and sell vegetables.
[32:54.150 --> 32:59.550]  The woman said she would help her son in the game if he spent at least two hours a day studying after school hours.
[32:59.670 --> 33:01.090]  How did this get to be a news story?
[33:01.210 --> 33:01.930]  That's what I'd like to know.
[33:01.970 --> 33:03.230]  Who reported it in the first place?
[33:03.850 --> 33:10.270]  What I want to know is, how did games become something that is a drag to do and that you get other people to do for you?
[33:10.370 --> 33:13.090]  I was under the impression that you played a game to relax, to have fun.
[33:13.250 --> 33:20.550]  Yeah, but the game meant a lot to him, but he was failing his classes, so in order to keep the game going, she offered to do that for him, you see, and it was...
[33:20.550 --> 33:23.810]  I think what Rob is saying is that this game sounds terrible.
[33:24.130 --> 33:24.390]  Uh-huh.
[33:24.670 --> 33:28.430]  I think it's a good plan for parents to get their kids to eat vegetables.
[33:28.430 --> 33:30.170]  Uh, yeah, but they're fake.
[33:30.310 --> 33:32.110]  They're virtual vegetables, and uh...
[33:32.110 --> 33:32.910]  They still get the nutrients.
[33:33.090 --> 33:36.230]  Yeah, you can get prosecuted for virtual stealing, so I don't know, maybe...
[33:36.230 --> 33:37.650]  I'm a virtual vegetarian.
[33:38.150 --> 33:38.510]  Yeah.
[33:39.070 --> 33:40.130]  What exactly does that mean?
[33:40.490 --> 33:41.730]  It means you don't eat orcs.
[33:41.790 --> 33:42.150]  I don't know.
[33:42.830 --> 33:43.190]  Okay.
[33:43.650 --> 33:44.690]  Uh, now here's something.
[33:44.810 --> 33:45.610]  We're going to take phone calls too.
[33:45.790 --> 33:46.350]  We're about ready for that.
[33:46.450 --> 33:51.810]  212-209-2900 if you have any stories or questions or things that you'd like to share with us.
[33:52.130 --> 33:56.450]  Uh, but here's a question about an escape in a prison using an unlikely method.
[33:57.030 --> 34:06.250]  Um, this, um, this guy escaped from the Bibb County jail on Saturday night, and I'm sorry, I think that's in... I think that's in Georgia, I think.
[34:06.490 --> 34:08.030]  But it doesn't really matter where it is.
[34:08.370 --> 34:11.050]  Uh, he, um, he was recaptured, so there's no need to panic.
[34:11.510 --> 34:15.030]  Uh, but basically, he used a flip-flop.
[34:15.190 --> 34:16.770]  A flip-flop being a sandal.
[34:17.270 --> 34:17.630]  Yeah.
[34:18.050 --> 34:28.650]  He was able to, uh, actually, um, actually use, um, unlock the cell door, um, and, uh, and, and use his, uh, his sandal to, to jimmy it open, I suppose.
[34:29.290 --> 34:31.810]  Uh, and I never would have thought to do that.
[34:32.110 --> 34:35.030]  I never would have thought that that was something, uh, a way to get out of prison.
[34:35.290 --> 34:35.530]  I don't know.
[34:35.710 --> 34:36.470]  Walter, you would have thought of this?
[34:36.470 --> 34:40.850]  Will we have, uh, uh, flip-flop, uh, lock-picking panels and hope?
[34:41.030 --> 34:47.190]  Well, I imagine this just goes to show that anything is possible if you just, uh, uh, if you just, uh, put your mind to it.
[34:47.530 --> 34:49.150]  But, um, yeah, that's, that's...
[34:49.150 --> 34:50.670]  They say the lock was defective.
[34:50.710 --> 34:53.630]  They say the lock was defective on the cell, uh, and it's been repaired.
[34:53.630 --> 34:54.590]  But, uh, who knows?
[34:54.590 --> 34:56.430]  How many other locks can be opened with flip-flops?
[34:56.490 --> 34:56.770]  Yes, Bernie?
[34:57.430 --> 34:58.470]  I can see how that's possible.
[34:58.530 --> 35:02.650]  Having examined the locking mechanism on prison doors before, uh, certain lines...
[35:02.650 --> 35:03.710]  Did you, did you try to escape?
[35:04.250 --> 35:07.130]  No, I never tried to escape, but I was highly observant.
[35:07.310 --> 35:15.630]  You know, when you're, when you're locked in a cage for a long time, month after month, you tend to want to be really observant of all this stuff because your brain just has to be active.
[35:15.630 --> 35:19.070]  So you're thinking about, you think about escaping a lot.
[35:19.250 --> 35:20.810]  But you know, if you do, you're going to get shot.
[35:21.070 --> 35:22.270]  So it's not worth it.
[35:22.270 --> 35:25.250]  But it doesn't stop you from thinking about it and planning it.
[35:25.670 --> 35:26.090]  Uh-huh.
[35:26.210 --> 35:28.930]  You know, you just don't tell anybody about what you're thinking about or...
[35:28.930 --> 35:29.390]  Well, wait.
[35:29.670 --> 35:31.090]  Is it illegal to think about it?
[35:31.170 --> 35:33.650]  If you told somebody, I'm thinking about escaping, could you get charged?
[35:34.510 --> 35:35.730]  Probably, but I wouldn't tell them.
[35:35.730 --> 35:36.350]  What would the crime be?
[35:36.430 --> 35:36.890]  Thought crime?
[35:37.050 --> 35:38.370]  I mean, have you really reached that stage yet?
[35:38.750 --> 35:42.230]  Um, they'd probably throw you in solitary confinement and, and, or worse.
[35:42.490 --> 35:44.790]  Okay, but they're throwing you in solitary confinement for a reason.
[35:44.810 --> 35:47.370]  And the reason being that you thought of something you shouldn't think of.
[35:47.570 --> 35:48.370]  It's just interesting.
[35:48.590 --> 35:52.390]  I'm not suggesting people confess to thinking about things they shouldn't think about, but, uh...
[35:52.390 --> 35:54.850]  I'm thinking that this is really, uh, enough.
[35:55.130 --> 35:55.350]  Yeah.
[35:55.630 --> 35:56.610]  Yeah, I think so, too.
[35:57.470 --> 35:58.710]  Um, okay.
[35:58.890 --> 36:00.750]  And, uh, we have this, uh, sad news.
[36:01.130 --> 36:07.670]  Uh, a free service, uh, enjoyed by hundreds has been shut down due to illegal activity conducted by one individual.
[36:07.670 --> 36:15.190]  Yes, we're talking about the free Wi-Fi service in, uh, in, uh, where is this place?
[36:15.190 --> 36:20.070]  Um, you know, it doesn't say where this is, uh, uh, Co-Coshocton County.
[36:20.590 --> 36:32.590]  Um, you know, I really should write down the states these things come from, but, uh, apparently they had, uh, free Wi-Fi, uh, the county had a free wireless internet connection available in the block surrounding the courthouse, which I guess is convenient for prosecuting people.
[36:32.770 --> 36:38.830]  Uh, it was disabled last week after someone used the wireless local area network address to illegally download a movie.
[36:39.570 --> 36:39.930]  The...
[36:39.930 --> 36:40.970]  That's the crime.
[36:40.970 --> 36:50.350]  The county's internet service provider, One Community, was notified by Sony Pictures Entertainment about the breach, and the county's information technology department was, in turn, notified by One Community.
[36:50.890 --> 36:54.530]  And, uh, that was their reaction to, uh, just cut it off to everybody.
[36:55.150 --> 36:55.570]  Yeah.
[36:55.930 --> 36:57.910]  I really hope, uh, I really hope...
[36:57.910 --> 36:58.190]  It's Ohio, okay.
[36:58.570 --> 37:03.990]  I really hope nobody in this town ever commits a capital crime that, uh, gets them into death penalty, because then they'll have to kill the entire town.
[37:04.090 --> 37:04.370]  Yeah.
[37:04.830 --> 37:07.910]  I mean, really, that's, uh, that's the president that's being, being set here.
[37:08.790 --> 37:10.350]  So, you said it was Ohio, Bernie.
[37:10.810 --> 37:11.130]  Yes.
[37:12.150 --> 37:12.950]  Koshockton, Ohio.
[37:14.270 --> 37:14.590]  Okay.
[37:14.650 --> 37:15.750]  So, we're not too far from Dayton.
[37:16.110 --> 37:18.050]  And, uh, you know, there's just weird things that go on there.
[37:18.570 --> 37:19.150]  Yeah, definitely.
[37:19.490 --> 37:21.950]  Okay, uh, we're open for, uh, people's phone calls.
[37:22.070 --> 37:28.050]  If anybody wants to call in, ask us some questions, or, uh, um, give us some, uh, stories of their own, feel free.
[37:28.210 --> 37:31.250]  212-209-2900.
[37:31.970 --> 37:33.170]  And we have a phone call over here.
[37:33.250 --> 37:33.550]  Good evening.
[37:33.670 --> 37:34.430]  You're on, off the hook.
[37:34.770 --> 37:35.090]  Hi.
[37:35.290 --> 37:35.430]  Hi.
[37:35.470 --> 37:35.930]  What's on your mind?
[37:36.030 --> 37:36.390]  How you doing?
[37:36.470 --> 37:38.730]  I want to thank you for answering my, uh, my letter, ma'am.
[37:38.790 --> 37:39.410]  I'm Tony.
[37:40.350 --> 37:44.990]  Well, Tony, you're, you're the guy who asked about the, uh, the, the, the data from an old word processor.
[37:45.150 --> 37:45.370]  Okay.
[37:45.590 --> 37:46.010]  Yeah, yeah.
[37:46.130 --> 37:51.430]  I also just want you to know that, uh, there's an IOP on 135th and how to play in Power Boulevard.
[37:51.710 --> 37:52.070]  Okay.
[37:52.170 --> 37:53.050]  And now we know that, too.
[37:53.130 --> 37:53.350]  Wow.
[37:53.350 --> 37:53.790]  Okay.
[37:53.970 --> 37:55.490]  Our listeners have all kinds of information for us.
[37:55.610 --> 37:55.850]  Yeah, yeah.
[37:55.950 --> 37:56.690]  Thanks again, man.
[37:56.770 --> 37:57.210]  All right, thanks.
[37:57.230 --> 37:57.610]  Take it easy.
[37:58.470 --> 37:59.970]  212-209-2900.
[38:00.110 --> 38:00.770]  Now we know that.
[38:00.870 --> 38:02.450]  That's what it showed you on the map.
[38:02.630 --> 38:02.830]  Yeah.
[38:03.050 --> 38:05.550]  Well, you know, you'd show me this little tiny phone while I'm talking on the radio.
[38:05.570 --> 38:07.550]  It's hard to understand what exactly is relevant there.
[38:08.150 --> 38:09.730]  But, uh, yeah, that's, that's good.
[38:09.890 --> 38:10.830]  Tentakes are always relevant.
[38:10.970 --> 38:11.190]  They are.
[38:11.350 --> 38:11.650]  Good evening.
[38:11.790 --> 38:12.490]  You're on, off the hook.
[38:13.890 --> 38:14.250]  Speak up.
[38:14.310 --> 38:15.070]  Good evening, Emmanuel.
[38:15.390 --> 38:16.870]  This is Bobson from Bulgaria.
[38:17.210 --> 38:17.530]  Bulgaria.
[38:17.530 --> 38:18.190]  How you doing?
[38:19.670 --> 38:20.310]  All right.
[38:20.450 --> 38:25.330]  Greetings also from the IRC channel dedicated to the show.
[38:25.470 --> 38:26.570]  The off the hook IRC channel.
[38:26.570 --> 38:27.250]  Many people are there tonight.
[38:27.470 --> 38:30.390]  The off the hook IRC channel on IRC.2600.net.
[38:30.550 --> 38:32.110]  Yes, people are welcome to, uh, to join that.
[38:32.310 --> 38:34.490]  So what's, uh, what's going on in, uh, Bulgaria tonight?
[38:37.050 --> 38:41.330]  Well, it's kind of late for anything to be going on right now.
[38:41.530 --> 38:41.830]  Mm-hmm.
[38:42.250 --> 38:43.650]  Well, yes, that's true.
[38:43.730 --> 38:45.050]  It must be about, what, two in the morning there?
[38:46.230 --> 38:47.450]  2.38 a.m.
[38:47.910 --> 38:48.490]  Uh-huh.
[38:49.510 --> 38:49.950]  Okay.
[38:50.130 --> 38:50.450]  All right.
[38:50.930 --> 38:55.230]  Um, so you're listening to us over the internet, obviously, because I don't think our signal gets out that far.
[38:55.370 --> 38:55.590]  Yep.
[38:55.930 --> 38:56.190]  Uh-huh.
[38:56.410 --> 38:58.910]  And, uh, I, I imagine we're coming in loud and clear.
[39:00.370 --> 39:00.810]  Yeah.
[39:01.330 --> 39:01.750]  Okay.
[39:02.530 --> 39:06.070]  Uh, anything going on technology-wise, phone-wise, computer-wise over there?
[39:08.650 --> 39:11.930]  Uh, well, I can't think of anything right now.
[39:12.110 --> 39:14.730]  We had the mayoral election on Sunday.
[39:14.730 --> 39:18.350]  We had a new elected mayor person.
[39:18.550 --> 39:22.450]  I don't know what she's going to be doing later.
[39:23.570 --> 39:23.930]  Okay.
[39:23.970 --> 39:24.470]  What she gets.
[39:25.090 --> 39:28.810]  Well, let me, let me ask you a question then about, uh, about things over there.
[39:28.950 --> 39:30.530]  Do you, do you have, uh, Wi-Fi?
[39:30.730 --> 39:34.730]  Do you have free Wi-Fi or Wi-Fi of any sort in the, uh, in the streets of, uh, are you in Sofia?
[39:36.390 --> 39:42.350]  There are, yes, in Sofia, and there are places where you can get it.
[39:43.950 --> 39:45.390]  And it's, it's free of charge?
[39:45.630 --> 39:49.710]  There's, in some parks, yes, some of it.
[39:49.870 --> 39:50.030]  Okay.
[39:51.330 --> 39:54.310]  Uh, I'm not saying it's broadband Wi-Fi.
[39:56.190 --> 39:56.910]  It's bearable.
[39:57.230 --> 39:57.490]  Uh-huh.
[39:57.630 --> 39:58.270]  Well, that's something.
[39:58.450 --> 39:58.810]  That's good.
[39:58.950 --> 39:59.530]  That's good to know.
[39:59.950 --> 40:02.610]  Because when I was in Belarus, it's illegal to have Wi-Fi there.
[40:02.830 --> 40:04.690]  So, uh, some, some countries, uh, have...
[40:04.690 --> 40:06.570]  Why, why, why would it be illegal?
[40:06.830 --> 40:10.450]  Well, they want to control the, uh, what, what people are reading and, and, and doing.
[40:10.570 --> 40:12.650]  Remember, Belarus, the last dictatorship of, uh, Europe.
[40:14.270 --> 40:16.010]  There could be other reasons to, Emanuel.
[40:16.430 --> 40:18.410]  Well, yeah, that's, that's the stated reason.
[40:18.710 --> 40:20.670]  That's, uh, what people believe that, uh...
[40:20.670 --> 40:27.270]  No, the, uh, the, the, the frequency allocated, the 2.4 gigahertz frequencies could be used by other services in some countries.
[40:27.450 --> 40:35.550]  Not all countries participated in, in the agreeing that this, this, this, this frequency ban will be used for Wi-Fi, and it could be used for police communications or something.
[40:35.650 --> 40:40.810]  Okay, well, in this case, there would be police communications if you were using Wi-Fi in Belarus because it is against the law.
[40:41.010 --> 40:42.050]  There's no question about that.
[40:44.490 --> 40:57.590]  Anyway, there was a story on, uh, popular online comic strip about microwave phones being used to damage Wi-Fi connections or whatnot.
[40:58.870 --> 40:59.230]  Interesting.
[41:00.170 --> 41:08.330]  All right, listen, we're going to, uh, we're going to move on, but it's good hearing from you again, and, uh, hopefully we'll, we'll see you at one of the conferences we wind up going to, or there'll be a conference in Bulgaria sometime.
[41:08.330 --> 41:13.250]  Maybe, whenever I, whenever I get the budget worked out for one of those.
[41:14.690 --> 41:15.590]  Okay, all right.
[41:16.490 --> 41:20.110]  Always good hearing from, uh, people far away, and, uh, Bulgaria, no exception.
[41:20.290 --> 41:21.730]  If you're in a far away country, give us a call.
[41:22.090 --> 41:25.330]  Country code 1, 212-209-2900.
[41:25.590 --> 41:32.270]  You know, years ago, it would have been unfathomable for us to receive a phone call all the way from the other side of the world from somebody listening to us live.
[41:32.270 --> 41:37.870]  I actually would have been, I would have been curious to know, uh, whether he was calling us on a landline or, uh, via, via Skype or something.
[41:38.010 --> 41:39.610]  It sounded kind of like a digitized connection.
[41:39.910 --> 41:42.170]  You think, I think, yeah, I think he was using the internet to call.
[41:42.290 --> 41:44.790]  I mean, it didn't sound like a normal phone connection.
[41:45.190 --> 41:45.770]  All right, good evening.
[41:45.910 --> 41:46.750]  You're on Off the Hook.
[41:47.370 --> 41:47.730]  Hello.
[41:48.010 --> 41:48.250]  Hi.
[41:48.870 --> 41:49.230]  Hi.
[41:49.510 --> 41:50.030]  What's on your mind?
[41:50.350 --> 41:56.150]  Uh, well, I just wanted to let you know that, uh, Pete Seeger used to sing the song
[42:02.270 --> 42:03.830]  And the song went like this.
[42:04.730 --> 42:06.370]  He's long, John.
[42:07.130 --> 42:08.550]  Long time a-coming.
[42:09.090 --> 42:12.570]  Like a turkey through the corn with his long clothes on.
[42:13.110 --> 42:14.690]  He's long, John.
[42:15.330 --> 42:19.930]  Now, John had a pair of shoes, funniest shoes you ever did see.
[42:20.450 --> 42:23.110]  Had a heel in the front and a heel in the back.
[42:23.230 --> 42:26.950]  And no one knew where John had gone.
[42:27.590 --> 42:28.050]  Okay.
[42:28.430 --> 42:28.910]  Wow.
[42:29.110 --> 42:29.390]  Okay.
[42:29.390 --> 42:32.250]  Well, our listeners are certainly giving us all the information we need tonight.
[42:32.430 --> 42:34.170]  But thanks, uh, thanks for sharing that with us.
[42:34.170 --> 42:54.210]  Well, I thought you'd, you know, if you, if you need to, uh, to know about the flip-flops, I, uh, before flip-flops came around, when the Japanese started making them, I saw the, uh, same sort of thing made by rubber tires for shoes in Mexico.
[42:54.210 --> 43:05.170]  And I thought, wow, that's the way to make shoes for children, because they were walking around barefoot all over the world, in Africa and Asia and stuff, and they were getting parasites.
[43:05.690 --> 43:09.650]  And with anything covering their feet, that doesn't happen.
[43:09.730 --> 43:17.090]  But the Japanese came along and made one dollar flip-flops, and that ended parasites.
[43:18.110 --> 43:18.750]  Wow.
[43:19.130 --> 43:21.270]  Okay, well, thanks, uh, thanks for that information.
[43:21.550 --> 43:22.650]  Right, that little technology.
[43:22.710 --> 43:24.270]  Yeah, yeah, very, very fascinating.
[43:24.570 --> 43:25.650]  Okay, uh, we're going to move on.
[43:25.810 --> 43:26.690]  Uh, thanks again for that call.
[43:26.810 --> 43:28.310]  212-209-2900.
[43:28.430 --> 43:28.670]  Good evening.
[43:28.870 --> 43:29.790]  You're on Off the Hook.
[43:31.170 --> 43:31.710]  Speak up.
[43:31.830 --> 43:32.090]  Go ahead.
[43:33.290 --> 43:33.890]  Hey, Emmanuel.
[43:34.270 --> 43:35.030]  Hey, what's on your mind?
[43:35.070 --> 43:35.510]  Where are you calling from?
[43:36.110 --> 43:37.450]  Uh, you're calling from Brooklyn.
[43:37.770 --> 43:44.670]  And, uh, you mentioned earlier, uh, here, you've mentioned, uh, the ban on, uh, why they're in Belarus?
[43:45.130 --> 43:45.690]  Yes, I did.
[43:45.690 --> 44:01.950]  Well, uh, I heard something really weird happening in Ukraine that kind of reminds me, uh, they're trying to bring something called the Law 404, uh, which basically allows, actually requires the ISPs to monitor all communications in search for child pornography.
[44:02.630 --> 44:03.230]  Okay.
[44:04.250 --> 44:16.410]  And, you know, um, uh, when I saw this, I kind of got concerned that, uh, you know, there's, there's really much concern going on about that, that this will be used to basically illegally spy on people.
[44:17.790 --> 44:19.850]  Yeah, well, that's definitely, definitely a concern.
[44:20.810 --> 44:21.170]  Absolutely.
[44:21.370 --> 44:24.550]  Well, that's more, that's more or less all of it.
[44:24.550 --> 44:32.170]  So, uh, there's, uh, really lots of happening, uh, online with those keywords, uh, Law 404 in Ukraine or something like that.
[44:32.270 --> 44:35.170]  So, if you guys, if this is interesting, you might look it up.
[44:35.690 --> 44:35.830]  Okay.
[44:35.890 --> 44:39.850]  And our sympathies, of course, to the Ukraine for being eliminated from the World Cup today, but that's just the way things go.
[44:39.930 --> 44:40.370]  Go ahead, Voltaire.
[44:40.430 --> 44:42.630]  Yeah, it sounds like an important issue that we don't hear enough about.
[44:42.630 --> 44:55.550]  Like, we hear, uh, similar laws happening in Western Europe and North America or, um, Australia, but never, um, we, we always tend to think of, uh, or forget about Eastern Europe and think of it as Russia, but it just like...
[44:55.550 --> 44:56.170]  Speak for yourself.
[44:56.270 --> 45:05.610]  No, just like in a third chain regimes, but in fact, uh, Ukraine has like, uh, the two-party system and everything, and they're kind of an active, um, political class.
[45:05.770 --> 45:06.110]  Mm-hmm.
[45:06.350 --> 45:07.190]  All right, six more phone calls.
[45:07.270 --> 45:07.630]  Good evening.
[45:07.890 --> 45:08.970]  You are on off the hook.
[45:11.630 --> 45:12.850]  Go ahead, wherever you are.
[45:13.630 --> 45:13.910]  Yeah.
[45:14.450 --> 45:16.650]  Uh, you guys got a lot closer to the phone than that.
[45:17.370 --> 45:18.390]  Okay, thank you.
[45:18.710 --> 45:21.490]  I have a, uh, problem that's plaguing me.
[45:21.610 --> 45:23.910]  I'm hoping you guys can give me some, uh, insight.
[45:24.210 --> 45:27.970]  Okay, well, hopefully you're landing on Earth soon so that we can hear you better.
[45:28.110 --> 45:29.510]  What kind of phone are you using?
[45:29.770 --> 45:30.470]  Okay, here.
[45:30.650 --> 45:31.350]  Maybe that's better.
[45:31.390 --> 45:31.790]  That is better.
[45:31.850 --> 45:32.110]  All right.
[45:32.450 --> 45:35.090]  Okay, uh, I have a DSL service.
[45:36.170 --> 45:36.970]  Our sympathies.
[45:37.310 --> 45:38.730]  From, from Verizon.
[45:38.970 --> 45:40.370]  Even more sympathies.
[45:40.650 --> 45:40.950]  All right.
[45:41.230 --> 45:41.690]  Yes, definitely.
[45:42.010 --> 45:43.570]  I'm way, I'm way out from the CO.
[45:44.190 --> 45:44.470]  Mm-hmm.
[45:44.790 --> 45:50.470]  And, uh, whenever it rains, I get the noise, you know, impulse, steady state.
[45:50.730 --> 45:57.410]  And I'm wondering if you can give me any tips on how I can go about getting Verizon to solve this problem.
[45:57.670 --> 46:01.050]  You say when it rains, your, your, your service goes...
[46:01.050 --> 46:07.090]  The cables, the, uh, the copper cables between the CO and my home go noisy.
[46:07.470 --> 46:07.670]  Yeah.
[46:08.070 --> 46:10.830]  The only way to really, I think, uh, get this fixed.
[46:10.950 --> 46:14.150]  I have the same problem with a landline where every time it rains, I get a loud hum on it.
[46:14.490 --> 46:18.310]  The only way to really fix that is to, every single time it happens, report it.
[46:18.410 --> 46:21.730]  Just be a real pain in the ass and just report it over and over again.
[46:21.850 --> 46:28.370]  And eventually, it's going to get somebody's attention to the degree where they're going to make it their mission to just stop you from calling all the time.
[46:28.490 --> 46:31.870]  And they're either going to cut you off or actually fix your, your service.
[46:32.010 --> 46:32.650]  Mike, you disagree with that?
[46:32.650 --> 46:33.250]  I'm so confident.
[46:33.510 --> 46:40.030]  I used to work in, in, in lower Manhattan in a very, you know, area where you'd think things would work.
[46:40.350 --> 46:47.030]  Uh, and we had, uh, an expensive, uh, business class data service that would go out every time it rained.
[46:47.390 --> 46:51.870]  And we had, it was a sufficiently expensive service that they were supposed to actually fix it when we called the complaint.
[46:51.990 --> 46:57.010]  But what they would do is we'd call, say, our services down and they'd come the next day when it wasn't raining anymore.
[46:57.010 --> 46:58.330]  So the service would work again.
[46:58.450 --> 46:59.630]  And they'd say, oh, we fixed it.
[46:59.710 --> 47:05.030]  And this went on for, for months and years until we finally, uh, used something that didn't have wires at all.
[47:05.130 --> 47:05.450]  Yeah.
[47:05.490 --> 47:11.910]  Actually, the, uh, building I'm, uh, that I work in now, uh, we, the only option there is, is Verizon DSL.
[47:12.110 --> 47:13.230]  At the moment, they're changing that.
[47:13.350 --> 47:17.610]  And, you know, the reason they're changing that is because everybody in the building said it's too slow, it's too slow, it's too slow.
[47:17.830 --> 47:18.570]  It doesn't work.
[47:18.730 --> 47:21.910]  Uh, and Verizon wouldn't do anything about it.
[47:21.970 --> 47:26.190]  So finally, the, the building itself is just getting another, you know, ISP.
[47:26.550 --> 47:29.870]  I guess they're going to run a fiber line or something, uh, to get us connected.
[47:30.030 --> 47:31.530]  But, you know, that doesn't, it doesn't matter to them.
[47:31.590 --> 47:34.210]  They have enough subscribers that they don't really want to fix people.
[47:34.410 --> 47:37.070]  Well, if they get enough complaints, it gets talked about all over the place.
[47:37.210 --> 47:39.390]  Maybe they'll, uh, take their customers a little more seriously.
[47:39.650 --> 47:44.390]  They have to go and they're going to have to put more equipment or, or repeaters or, you know, they're not going to build another central office.
[47:44.570 --> 47:47.530]  So, you know, the problem is that the technology itself isn't that great.
[47:47.810 --> 47:53.690]  Um, and so, and obviously now at this point, why do they want to invest money in DSL when they're trying to push Fios and all that?
[47:53.690 --> 47:53.690]  Right, exactly.
[47:53.790 --> 47:59.670]  I mean, business-wise, I don't think it makes sense for them to, to fix these problems because what is one subscriber to them?
[47:59.830 --> 48:00.150]  Unfortunately.
[48:00.570 --> 48:00.790]  Mm-hmm.
[48:00.950 --> 48:01.210]  All right.
[48:01.950 --> 48:03.850]  212-209-2900.
[48:04.450 --> 48:05.070]  And good evening.
[48:05.190 --> 48:05.770]  You're on Off the Hook.
[48:06.390 --> 48:07.010]  Uh, yes.
[48:07.170 --> 48:07.950]  Good evening.
[48:08.550 --> 48:08.870]  Yes.
[48:09.110 --> 48:16.050]  Um, um, I tuned in kind of late, uh, uh, and I don't know what the question was, but, um, I heard some reference to IHOP.
[48:16.150 --> 48:18.270]  Was there a question about the location of it?
[48:18.370 --> 48:18.510]  Oh, boy.
[48:18.510 --> 48:23.650]  Yeah, we found the location for it, but I made, I made the mistake of, of questioning whether there was an IHOP in Manhattan.
[48:23.670 --> 48:25.750]  I've been corrected several times now.
[48:25.870 --> 48:29.250]  People have been coming into the station with pieces of paper showing me where it is.
[48:29.370 --> 48:29.810]  And it's okay.
[48:29.830 --> 48:32.710]  I know now there are IHOPs in Manhattan, or at least one anyway.
[48:33.190 --> 48:34.330]  Even, even all over the Bronx.
[48:34.470 --> 48:35.010]  All over the Bronx.
[48:35.130 --> 48:35.350]  Okay.
[48:35.470 --> 48:37.130]  Well, you know, uh, this is how you learn.
[48:37.290 --> 48:39.630]  You go on the radio, you make a fool of yourself, and people correct you.
[48:39.710 --> 48:42.290]  That's, uh, that's how you, yeah, that's a whole teaching method there.
[48:42.590 --> 48:44.570]  This is why it's an international house of pancakes.
[48:44.610 --> 48:44.990]  International.
[48:45.410 --> 48:46.230]  Yeah, that's true.
[48:46.490 --> 48:46.970]  Very true.
[48:47.770 --> 48:47.950]  Yeah.
[48:48.070 --> 48:48.290]  All right.
[48:48.350 --> 48:49.530]  Question I wanted to ask.
[48:49.610 --> 48:49.730]  Go ahead.
[48:50.070 --> 49:02.790]  Um, may seem like, may seem like a crazy question, but, uh, or I'm kind of computer illiterate, but using a thumb drive, is there some do's and don'ts about using thumb drives?
[49:03.610 --> 49:05.270]  Do's and don'ts about using thumb drives.
[49:05.470 --> 49:10.370]  Uh, you probably want to make sure that, uh, after you write things to it, that you eject it somehow.
[49:10.370 --> 49:21.330]  It depends on what, you know, operating system you're using, but generally that just, uh, has the, the computer make sure that the thumb drive is in a good state to be removed so that it won't lose any data or anything.
[49:21.610 --> 49:22.830]  Um, that's my only recommendation.
[49:23.070 --> 49:26.450]  Is there anywhere I can go to get information about how to use one?
[49:26.690 --> 49:27.330]  Would anybody know?
[49:27.570 --> 49:28.610]  Uh, the internet.
[49:30.810 --> 49:31.210]  Yeah.
[49:31.270 --> 49:32.090]  Or the personal computer.
[49:32.430 --> 49:32.450]  Yeah.
[49:32.530 --> 49:33.350]  They're on right after us.
[49:33.470 --> 49:33.850]  They're on right after us.
[49:33.910 --> 49:34.030]  Rob.
[49:34.770 --> 49:35.410]  Um, yeah.
[49:35.490 --> 49:43.190]  And if you're planning on using it at work at all, make sure you're familiar with your company's policies on such things because it is really bad news in some places and others.
[49:43.610 --> 49:43.630]  All right.
[49:43.750 --> 49:44.090]  Let's move on.
[49:44.570 --> 49:45.770]  212, 209, 2900.
[49:45.850 --> 49:46.130]  Good evening.
[49:46.290 --> 49:46.770]  You're on...
[49:46.770 --> 49:47.490]  Oh dear.
[49:48.150 --> 49:49.110]  Didn't wait long enough.
[49:49.210 --> 49:49.470]  Good evening.
[49:49.670 --> 49:50.390]  You're on off the hook.
[49:51.250 --> 49:52.190]  Oh, excellent.
[49:53.010 --> 49:53.790]  Yeah, it is.
[49:54.230 --> 49:55.090]  Make the most of it.
[49:55.310 --> 49:55.590]  What's up?
[49:55.630 --> 49:56.030]  What's on your mind?
[49:56.810 --> 50:06.570]  Um, I just came back from LA two weeks ago and when I went to the, uh, TSA checkpoint, they, like, swipe my ticket and my, um, driver's license.
[50:06.910 --> 50:08.070]  Do you know what that is?
[50:08.350 --> 50:14.930]  It was like a blue box with, uh, blue side top and a little window like a, a scanner in a supermarket.
[50:15.130 --> 50:16.030]  Bernie, any ideas?
[50:17.530 --> 50:23.910]  I didn't quite hear his description really well, but, um, maybe he could, uh, uh, expand on that a little bit.
[50:24.910 --> 50:30.150]  I didn't see what the TSI guy did because I handed him my ticket and was talking to someone.
[50:30.150 --> 50:46.770]  I handed my ticket and my driver's license to the TSA guy and he scanned the ticket and I believe my driver's license as well over a little window that looks like the laser scanner for a barcode at the supermarket.
[50:47.110 --> 50:51.450]  And I know there's a barcode on the ticket, but there's nothing on my license that would give him that information.
[50:51.850 --> 50:55.370]  And then you were, then you were detained or questioned as a result of that?
[50:55.610 --> 50:55.690]  No, no, no, no.
[50:55.710 --> 50:58.010]  I just went through, but he was doing it to everybody.
[50:58.010 --> 51:01.310]  Well, what kind of, what kind of license, what state do you have your license from?
[51:01.750 --> 51:02.350]  New York.
[51:02.550 --> 51:02.670]  Yeah.
[51:02.730 --> 51:06.110]  Actually, I mean, on the back of your license, there's a, well, there are two barcodes.
[51:06.290 --> 51:06.350]  Ah, you're right.
[51:06.670 --> 51:14.890]  There's, there's a barcode, the top barcode, the regular looking barcode is actually just your birth date and that's used for, uh, hand scanners, uh, at places like, uh, liquor stores and clubs.
[51:15.090 --> 51:22.850]  And the bottom one is a 2D barcode that actually has, uh, all the information on the driver's license, uh, encoded in this kind of very dense barcode format.
[51:22.850 --> 51:28.730]  Um, so actually there is a lot of information, uh, in bar, uh, computer readable format on your driver's license.
[51:28.790 --> 51:30.070]  I don't recall them ever doing that before.
[51:30.210 --> 51:30.990]  That's, that's interesting.
[51:31.290 --> 51:32.130]  You know, I've, I've seen...
[51:32.130 --> 51:34.030]  Do you know how prevalent this is?
[51:34.610 --> 51:35.590]  I, I wouldn't know.
[51:35.650 --> 51:43.550]  I mean, the thing about it is I don't think that all state licenses have, uh, the barcodes on it, but, uh, at least the New York state one does.
[51:43.650 --> 51:44.830]  And it's a domestic flight, obviously.
[51:45.030 --> 51:46.910]  So it's, uh, you know, what if you don't have a license?
[51:47.030 --> 51:47.150]  Mike?
[51:52.850 --> 51:53.410]  You said, right?
[51:53.650 --> 51:53.970]  Yeah.
[51:54.430 --> 51:54.670]  Yeah.
[51:55.510 --> 51:59.570]  But it's, uh, it's probably a TSA, uh, policy of some sort in certain airports.
[51:59.890 --> 52:00.350]  All right.
[52:00.410 --> 52:01.370]  Anyway, uh, we're going to move on.
[52:01.470 --> 52:02.210]  Thanks for that call.
[52:02.650 --> 52:03.190]  And stick another one.
[52:03.250 --> 52:03.530]  Good evening.
[52:03.650 --> 52:04.350]  You're on off the hook.
[52:04.890 --> 52:05.130]  Hi.
[52:05.930 --> 52:11.490]  I wonder whether you could explain a, a strange quirk of technology.
[52:12.270 --> 52:13.210]  That's what we live for.
[52:14.490 --> 52:26.590]  Uh, when changing television channels on some of the channels, I get a brief glimpse of the new channel, and then it goes off for a couple of seconds before going back on.
[52:27.070 --> 52:32.570]  You can even change from the channel in HD to the same channel, not in HD.
[52:32.870 --> 52:37.230]  And there'll be a couple seconds of blankness between either way.
[52:37.410 --> 52:37.670]  Yeah.
[52:37.750 --> 52:39.790]  Some kind of, uh, what, digital delay, right, Hank?
[52:39.830 --> 52:40.070]  Yeah.
[52:40.130 --> 52:45.050]  I mean, it's probably, I don't know what kind of system you have, but probably it's, it's buffering the channel or something.
[52:45.230 --> 52:51.410]  Uh, so it's, you know, maybe reading ahead a little bit so that it can, it can keep the picture steady in case there's a drop in the signal.
[52:51.650 --> 52:52.910]  Um, that would be my guess.
[52:53.050 --> 52:56.270]  Do you remember the good old days when you used to be able to turn a channel and immediately you'd get a picture?
[52:56.690 --> 52:57.050]  You know?
[52:57.250 --> 52:58.150]  Now, now you have to wait.
[52:58.150 --> 52:59.670]  But it might not be so high definition.
[53:00.010 --> 53:00.370]  Uh, yeah.
[53:00.470 --> 53:07.170]  But even, even just digital cable, you, you, you switch to a different channel and it takes two or three seconds for you to actually get a picture.
[53:07.810 --> 53:12.330]  It's, uh, you know, I wonder if the day is ever going to come where you can just simply switch as quickly as you used to be able to.
[53:12.530 --> 53:17.010]  Well, you know, it probably has, I mean, I know that these, these, uh, codecs and stuff have error correcting things built in.
[53:17.130 --> 53:23.350]  So there's probably some amount of data that it has to, uh, read before it can actually display, uh, you know, the next frames.
[53:23.530 --> 53:44.790]  But I, I've noticed that, um, if you're, if you are, if it's one of these things like, uh, on demand, uh, if you keep on pressing buttons to go down to, and select the thing that you want, knowing where it is, that you can do it while the screen is blank.
[53:45.030 --> 53:49.010]  And it will still respond just as if it had been on all along.
[53:49.330 --> 53:58.270]  So, uh, apparently, even though I'm not seeing the screen, the, the screen is keeping up with me.
[54:00.310 --> 54:06.270]  It's possible as well that it is just simply remembering your key presses and applying them as soon as it can.
[54:06.950 --> 54:13.430]  Uh, if, if you think that this is, uh, like too much of a problem, you could try, you said you have a cable box?
[54:13.630 --> 54:13.930]  Yeah.
[54:14.310 --> 54:22.710]  You could try calling the cable company and seeing if yours is defective if you, but, but as people have said, the technology is just doesn't work as well as it used to.
[54:22.930 --> 54:23.110]  Yeah.
[54:23.270 --> 54:24.670]  And maybe one day it'll work that well again.
[54:24.670 --> 54:25.130]  We'll see.
[54:25.390 --> 54:28.610]  Hopefully, uh, progress will, uh, eventually catch up to our demands.
[54:29.010 --> 54:29.690]  Let's take another phone call.
[54:29.770 --> 54:30.030]  Good evening.
[54:30.150 --> 54:30.790]  You're on off the hook.
[54:31.010 --> 54:31.550]  Oh, wow.
[54:31.690 --> 54:33.130]  Thank you for taking my call so quickly.
[54:33.250 --> 54:34.530]  Daryl McPherson, Bronx, New York.
[54:34.610 --> 54:35.250]  How you guys doing?
[54:35.350 --> 54:38.670]  You're not going to tell us where another, uh, International House of Pancakes is, are you?
[54:38.990 --> 54:43.050]  Oh, I want to talk about neat things like landlines with cords.
[54:43.370 --> 54:43.610]  Okay.
[54:44.010 --> 54:44.690]  Landlines with cords.
[54:44.690 --> 54:45.310]  I remember those.
[54:45.490 --> 54:45.870]  I remember that.
[54:46.010 --> 54:47.130]  That's not my imagination.
[54:47.290 --> 54:47.790]  See, I told you.
[54:48.350 --> 54:57.430]  Wait, I read it to somebody who, who, who's a big IT person with one of the banking companies who said, oh yeah, I used to listen to 2600.
[54:58.210 --> 54:58.710]  Ha ha.
[54:58.890 --> 54:59.150]  Anyway.
[54:59.630 --> 55:00.030]  Interesting.
[55:00.330 --> 55:05.510]  Is there any place where I can look to get, uh, really good landline phones?
[55:06.410 --> 55:08.330]  Uh, really good landline phones?
[55:08.570 --> 55:08.750]  Yeah.
[55:09.090 --> 55:11.190]  I'm talking on one of those things right now.
[55:11.310 --> 55:12.370]  I'm not supposed to do it.
[55:12.550 --> 55:13.110]  I'm sorry.
[55:13.290 --> 55:17.510]  I'm talking on a cordless right now and I'd really like to keep my brain for another couple of years.
[55:17.550 --> 55:17.770]  Yeah.
[55:17.830 --> 55:20.890]  Well, we don't know what the effects are going to be and for another, uh, generation.
[55:21.170 --> 55:22.230]  So, but Rob, I think you have some advice.
[55:22.230 --> 55:22.550]  Yeah.
[55:22.670 --> 55:29.030]  If you want to get a really good landline phone, my advice is hit thrift stores, secondhand shops, and garage sales because they really don't make them like they used to.
[55:29.130 --> 55:29.390]  That's right.
[55:29.390 --> 55:30.990]  The ones you buy brand new in the store now are junk.
[55:31.270 --> 55:31.550]  Yeah.
[55:31.630 --> 55:35.130]  You can find old Western electric phones that, you know, you could, you could kill somebody with them.
[55:35.210 --> 55:39.190]  Not that you should do that, but I'm saying, you know, knock them over the head with a receiver that really, some of them are made out of metal.
[55:39.470 --> 55:40.490]  Most of them are plastic, but...
[55:40.490 --> 55:41.110]  I have some of those.
[55:41.150 --> 55:41.350]  Yeah.
[55:41.390 --> 55:42.350]  The really old ones are metal.
[55:42.350 --> 55:52.730]  Is there any, is there anybody who, who collects or getting, I was thinking about getting hold of the pioneers, the, the Verizon old timers group, but...
[55:52.730 --> 55:54.950]  The telephone pioneers of America is one, is one organization.
[55:55.230 --> 56:02.330]  But, uh, if you just, you know, you could put something on Craigslist, say what you're looking for, but I think Rob's suggestion just going to, to yard sales and garage sales is, is, is really good.
[56:02.470 --> 56:03.070]  Internet auctions.
[56:03.250 --> 56:05.390]  If you have a specific model in mind, you could search eBay.
[56:05.710 --> 56:05.770]  Yeah.
[56:05.770 --> 56:10.110]  If you want to be really stylish, you could buy a pay phone off of eBay and hang that on your wall, use that.
[56:10.110 --> 56:10.530]  Yeah.
[56:10.730 --> 56:10.930]  Absolutely.
[56:11.090 --> 56:13.170]  All kinds of, uh, possibilities, all kinds of suggestions.
[56:13.530 --> 56:14.330]  Folks, we're out of time.
[56:14.490 --> 56:17.330]  Uh, but, uh, I want to, um, thanks everybody for calling in.
[56:17.370 --> 56:18.110]  We took a lot of phone calls.
[56:18.190 --> 56:19.150]  We had to make up for lost time.
[56:20.010 --> 56:21.850]  Um, OTH at 2600.com.
[56:21.990 --> 56:26.070]  If you want to write to us, ask us any kind of other question or follow up on any other issue.
[56:26.550 --> 56:32.750]  Um, and of course, uh, we back again next week with another exciting edition of off the hook.
[56:33.990 --> 56:36.950]  This is, uh, Neil Young's computer song, I believe.
[56:37.050 --> 56:37.290]  Right, Rob?
[56:37.510 --> 56:37.830]  Yeah.
[56:37.830 --> 56:37.930]  Yeah.
[56:38.090 --> 56:38.590]  All right.
[56:39.010 --> 56:39.870]  See you next time.
[56:39.970 --> 56:40.090]  Good night.
[56:53.190 --> 56:56.530]  We control the TV sky.
[57:00.570 --> 57:01.990]  We control the FBI.
[57:02.470 --> 57:04.010]  We control the police.
[57:04.270 --> 57:04.390]  We control the police.
[57:04.390 --> 57:04.590]  We control the FBI.
[57:10.690 --> 57:21.430]  Now the precious metal lies in harm's way and perform power function.
[57:58.790 --> 58:01.110]  We live
[58:51.440 --> 59:08.940]  in harm's way, we live in harm's way.
[59:24.990 --> 59:26.910]  This is the first sentence.