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[00:44.280 --> 00:45.440]  to those Americans out there.
[00:46.260 --> 00:48.420]  Time, once again, for Off the Hook.
[01:04.400 --> 01:06.460]  We couldn't get much worse.
[01:06.760 --> 01:08.960]  I thought they would.
[01:09.220 --> 01:11.840]  Bon diddly bombed, but the best is back the worst.
[01:12.600 --> 01:14.340]  I hope that's understood.
[01:14.540 --> 01:15.530]  Bon diddly bombed.
[02:40.800 --> 02:42.200]  And a very good evening to everybody.
[02:42.280 --> 02:43.500]  The program is Off the Hook.
[02:43.570 --> 02:46.080]  Emmanuel Goldstein here with you on this Wednesday evening.
[02:46.080 --> 02:47.900]  Joined tonight by Mike.
[02:48.120 --> 02:48.260]  Hello.
[02:48.420 --> 02:48.800]  Rob T.
[02:49.000 --> 02:49.460]  Firefly.
[02:49.640 --> 02:49.960]  Good evening.
[02:50.460 --> 02:50.900]  Red Hat.
[02:51.080 --> 02:51.300]  Hello.
[02:51.580 --> 02:52.380]  Back from your honeymoon.
[02:53.040 --> 02:53.260]  Yes.
[02:53.380 --> 02:53.600]  Welcome.
[02:53.900 --> 02:54.160]  Thank you.
[02:54.460 --> 02:57.560]  And down in Philadelphia or Pennsylvania somewhere, Bernie S.
[02:57.560 --> 02:59.060]  Greetings from Pennsylvania.
[02:59.420 --> 02:59.620]  Okay.
[03:00.260 --> 03:01.360]  Well, here we are again.
[03:01.660 --> 03:04.940]  Week number two of our May fundraiser.
[03:05.300 --> 03:08.580]  And I've got to say, wow, did we do well last week.
[03:09.480 --> 03:10.540]  I don't know that we did.
[03:10.660 --> 03:11.360]  Our listeners...
[03:11.360 --> 03:11.360]  Hang on.
[03:11.360 --> 03:11.820]  I haven't said it yet.
[03:11.900 --> 03:13.380]  Wow, did we do well last week.
[03:14.120 --> 03:17.160]  I just felt I had to say that because we did pretty well.
[03:17.320 --> 03:18.560]  Our listeners did all the doing.
[03:19.040 --> 03:19.760]  Yeah, that's true.
[03:19.760 --> 03:21.680]  But we asked them to.
[03:21.880 --> 03:25.080]  And they really came through, and I want to thank them for that.
[03:25.180 --> 03:27.040]  I wasn't here last week, so should I leave?
[03:27.040 --> 03:28.600]  Well, no, that had something to do with it, definitely.
[03:28.620 --> 03:32.140]  But I don't think that your being here this week is necessarily going to harm us.
[03:32.240 --> 03:33.980]  But if it does, yes, we will ask you to leave here.
[03:34.080 --> 03:34.160]  All right.
[03:34.820 --> 03:35.880]  Well, we just have to.
[03:36.100 --> 03:39.210]  It's all about raising money to keep the station going, keep the station afloat.
[03:39.210 --> 03:42.080]  And our listeners have done a bang-up job of that so far.
[03:43.180 --> 03:48.300]  So what we're doing, we're kind of thanking you in a different way.
[03:48.400 --> 04:01.090]  For those of you who invariably email us afterwards and say, I can't believe I missed out on something so cool and so amazing, what we've decided to do is extend what we have last week into this week.
[04:01.210 --> 04:04.090]  But really, and I'm not kidding when I say this, that's it.
[04:04.090 --> 04:05.820]  We're not doing it again next week.
[04:05.980 --> 04:12.740]  So what that means is that last week we had Steve Rombaum in the studio for two hours.
[04:12.770 --> 04:23.700]  And we were basically offering his seminar set, which is 15 DVDs of Steve talking through various conferences about privacy issues and all kinds of other things.
[04:23.700 --> 04:27.420]  So we have that still available for a $75 pledge.
[04:27.530 --> 04:33.760]  But in addition, we've got the special spy camera pen that people are going all crazy over.
[04:33.880 --> 04:42.060]  That's basically a pen that you can walk around with that will record audio and video and all kinds of cool things like that.
[04:42.120 --> 04:43.360]  It's a real spy pen.
[04:43.650 --> 04:51.380]  Something I did not think was even possible to get unless you were someone like Steve's, you know, a private eye that has access to these kinds of things.
[04:51.380 --> 04:57.980]  But that's yours for a pledge of $75 if you want both the Steve Rombaum seminar and the spy camera pledge of $125.
[04:58.270 --> 05:00.650]  So the number, 212-209-2950.
[05:01.530 --> 05:05.020]  Again, just tonight, just for the next hour, we're going to have that.
[05:05.120 --> 05:08.060]  But we also have other things in addition, which we're going to get to in a moment.
[05:08.260 --> 05:15.030]  So basically, if you were talking with a friend last week and they missed hearing it, you can call your friend and tell them.
[05:15.150 --> 05:20.420]  They have 55 minutes to give us a call, 212-209-2950, and get these premiums.
[05:20.420 --> 05:25.530]  More likely, the scenario would be that you were talking to a friend and the friend was mocking you because they got the premium and you didn't.
[05:25.680 --> 05:30.700]  And now this week, you can turn the tables and tell the friend that, ha-ha, I got it too.
[05:30.940 --> 05:34.560]  And maybe I'll even get something better because we're offering additional things tonight.
[05:34.600 --> 05:36.940]  But if you're listening to the podcast six hours from now...
[05:36.940 --> 05:37.980]  Oh, you know...
[05:37.980 --> 05:38.580]  You don't count.
[05:39.100 --> 05:39.460]  Yeah.
[05:39.640 --> 05:40.480]  Well, no, you do count.
[05:40.500 --> 05:43.620]  You can always donate to the radio station just by going to WBAI.org.
[05:44.180 --> 05:46.360]  But we can't offer these premiums all the time.
[05:46.360 --> 05:55.260]  I mean, I hope people understand why we can't do that because basically we're turning into a 24-hour free store where we basically donate all this to the radio station all the time.
[05:55.360 --> 05:56.240]  We just can't do that.
[05:56.400 --> 05:59.480]  We can donate these things to the station for an hour, maybe two hours.
[06:00.220 --> 06:06.880]  But after that, you know, it really starts to affect like our grocery bills and things like that.
[06:07.060 --> 06:11.540]  Yeah, because all of these premiums are donations and the money that you pledge goes to the radio station.
[06:11.540 --> 06:12.140]  Yes, yes.
[06:12.230 --> 06:14.480]  What we do is we go out there and we try to find something cool.
[06:14.580 --> 06:19.920]  We either find people who donate things to us or we go out and actually buy them ourselves and give them to the radio station.
[06:19.980 --> 06:22.660]  Either way, the radio station doesn't pay anything but postage.
[06:23.900 --> 06:28.380]  And that's how we keep afloat, by getting people to call in.
[06:28.540 --> 06:31.820]  But obviously, the reason to call in is to keep the station going, period.
[06:32.280 --> 06:36.440]  So if you just want to do that, again, the number 212-209-2950.
[06:36.440 --> 06:41.520]  Now, interesting, we were talking about Steve last week and talking to Steve last week for a couple of hours.
[06:42.930 --> 06:49.060]  And afterwards, of course, we hung out for quite a while afterwards, quite a while afterwards, because we had to tally up all the people that called in.
[06:49.290 --> 06:53.730]  We were kind of blown away by... was that flashing light mean anything?
[06:54.000 --> 06:55.520]  Yes, they're testing the fire.
[06:55.640 --> 06:56.600]  The building's on fire?
[06:57.230 --> 06:58.320]  They announced it earlier.
[06:58.320 --> 06:59.140]  It's only a test.
[06:59.600 --> 07:00.200]  Well, wait a minute.
[07:00.320 --> 07:03.200]  Okay, so we have a flashing fire alarm now in the studio.
[07:03.900 --> 07:05.350]  And how do you know it's only a test?
[07:05.350 --> 07:06.440]  Because they told you this in advance.
[07:06.720 --> 07:08.880]  Yes, for those of us who were out in the lobby and listening.
[07:09.040 --> 07:11.170]  All right, now, what happens if there actually is a fire?
[07:11.280 --> 07:13.720]  How do we know the difference between the test and the real thing?
[07:13.790 --> 07:16.840]  So right now, we're totally insecure because if there's a real fire, we're not going to believe it.
[07:16.940 --> 07:19.820]  In that case, we've been supremely trolled, and I salute whoever did it.
[07:20.780 --> 07:21.790]  Yeah, it's real clever.
[07:21.790 --> 07:23.140]  You're going to be saluting them from your grave.
[07:23.280 --> 07:26.500]  Yeah, from all of our graves, our watery or fiery graves.
[07:26.700 --> 07:28.080]  All right, well, let's hope that's...
[07:28.940 --> 07:31.820]  It's really kind of distracting, that flashing light.
[07:31.980 --> 07:33.350]  It's a blinding white light.
[07:33.440 --> 07:33.620]  It's supposed to be.
[07:33.700 --> 07:34.220]  It's a fire alarm.
[07:34.350 --> 07:35.140]  I guess, yeah.
[07:35.140 --> 07:36.820]  Yeah, we really shouldn't be sitting here during a fire.
[07:36.900 --> 07:39.480]  It is smart, though, that they don't have an audible alarm in the studio.
[07:39.660 --> 07:40.840]  Bernie, this doesn't affect you at all.
[07:41.140 --> 07:43.580]  I don't see this flashing, and I'm very secure here.
[07:43.730 --> 07:44.420]  Oh, wow.
[07:45.140 --> 07:51.820]  Okay, well, so anyway, we're talking to Steve afterwards, and it was just interesting being down in the tally room for a few hours.
[07:52.000 --> 07:53.790]  It was like an hour and a half, I guess.
[07:54.200 --> 07:58.400]  Our tally came in at over $7,000 for two hours, so we were very happy with that.
[07:58.480 --> 08:02.960]  But we had to basically make sure everything was written down properly, and everybody was getting the right thing.
[08:02.960 --> 08:14.660]  But it's just kind of cool, because if you go to the conferences, if you listen to the radio show, you'll soon realize that we don't always agree politically on various things.
[08:14.790 --> 08:19.880]  And Steve is not somebody who generally agrees with most of us who are on the left.
[08:20.320 --> 08:25.340]  And that's fine and good with me, because that's how you have dialogue and conversation and things like that.
[08:25.460 --> 08:31.290]  And I think that's a really good thing when conversations start, and people just exchange different opinions and ideas.
[08:31.290 --> 08:35.880]  And you don't condemn somebody for not agreeing with you on certain topics.
[08:36.000 --> 08:36.620]  There are people who do.
[08:36.820 --> 08:37.840]  Too many people, I think, who do.
[08:38.720 --> 08:46.120]  But I find that at the HOPE conferences, at the 2600 meetings, and here at the radio station, for the most part, the dialogue is open.
[08:46.260 --> 08:50.170]  And that kind of thing is encouraging to me.
[08:50.280 --> 09:02.560]  But that's also why tonight I wanted to do something a little bit different, sort of turn in the other direction, and ask, well, what would be a good counterbalance to having Steve featured last week?
[09:02.560 --> 09:05.420]  And to me, the answer to that was Jello Biafra.
[09:05.700 --> 09:08.920]  Jello Biafra is probably the person who has spoken...
[09:08.920 --> 09:14.960]  You know, I don't know who has spoken more, if it's Steve or if it's Jello, because Jello has spoken, I think, at five of our conferences.
[09:15.220 --> 09:17.440]  And when he does, it's usually for a few hours.
[09:17.560 --> 09:19.290]  He gave the keynote at H2K.
[09:19.920 --> 09:24.000]  He also talked at H2K2, the fifth HOPE, HOPE number six, and the last HOPE.
[09:24.320 --> 09:25.320]  That's five conferences.
[09:25.440 --> 09:28.140]  He wasn't at the next HOPE, which was the one in 2010.
[09:28.140 --> 09:32.600]  So, five conferences of at least a couple of hours each.
[09:32.860 --> 09:35.420]  But surely the record holder is still Robert Steele.
[09:35.760 --> 09:36.940]  Oh, you know, I totally forgot.
[09:37.160 --> 09:38.220]  How could I forget Robert Steele?
[09:38.290 --> 09:38.480]  Yeah.
[09:39.200 --> 09:41.790]  Robert Steele gives talks that last overnight.
[09:42.160 --> 09:43.560]  So, okay.
[09:43.560 --> 09:46.840]  We don't have enough DVDs to give you copies of those talks, but Jello...
[09:46.840 --> 09:50.170]  Actually, if you go to the hotel right now, Robert Steele is still there talking from the last time.
[09:50.170 --> 09:51.860]  They didn't unlock that door, did they?
[09:52.000 --> 09:52.480]  Oh, wow.
[09:53.360 --> 09:53.760]  Okay.
[09:53.840 --> 09:56.120]  Well, anyway, that's what we're giving away tonight.
[09:56.120 --> 09:58.640]  We have what's known as a Jell-O pack.
[09:58.900 --> 10:10.790]  And what that means is for a pledge of $50, you will get all of the talks of Jello Biafra that have taken place at the HOPE Conference from 2000 through 2008.
[10:10.880 --> 10:14.720]  So, many, many hours of material that you just can't get anywhere else.
[10:14.900 --> 10:21.930]  What we're going to do now, we're going to launch into the very first talk that he gave back in the year 2000.
[10:21.930 --> 10:25.520]  This was his debut when he first came to the HOPE Conference.
[10:25.790 --> 10:28.600]  A lot of people wanted to know, what's this guy got to do with hacking?
[10:29.050 --> 10:35.540]  Why is this punk rock star coming to talk to a bunch of computer hackers at HOPE in 2000?
[10:36.610 --> 10:44.020]  And, well, it turned out to be very relevant because technology and society and social issues and all kinds of things like that, they merge a lot.
[10:44.630 --> 10:50.550]  And that's one thing we've learned with the HOPE Conferences is that all these worlds are related in one way or another.
[10:51.000 --> 10:59.220]  And mixing and matching and introducing people to new ideas and trading information and opinions, that's how we move forward.
[10:59.400 --> 11:02.460]  So, bringing Jello into the mix, it was good for us.
[11:02.460 --> 11:03.220]  It was good for him.
[11:03.220 --> 11:06.000]  He enjoyed it so much that he kept wanting to come back year after year.
[11:07.720 --> 11:10.100]  So, that's why he showed up.
[11:10.160 --> 11:11.180]  That's why he was a part of it.
[11:11.260 --> 11:13.040]  And that's why we're offering that tonight.
[11:13.260 --> 11:17.000]  So, pledge of $50, you'll get the Jello pack of...
[11:17.440 --> 11:18.940]  Gosh, how many DVDs is that?
[11:19.100 --> 11:24.160]  Probably about 10, maybe more than 10 DVDs of Jello speaking on various issues.
[11:24.300 --> 11:27.440]  And you'll find also that the issues don't get old.
[11:27.640 --> 11:29.960]  This is the year 2000 that we're going to feature in just a moment.
[11:30.880 --> 11:33.000]  It was another election year.
[11:33.160 --> 11:34.020]  But think about it.
[11:34.020 --> 11:36.220]  The year 2000, it was before we even got George W.
[11:36.260 --> 11:36.600]  Bush.
[11:37.060 --> 11:42.180]  This was the campaign that was Gore versus Bush.
[11:42.440 --> 11:43.920]  Clinton was the president at the time.
[11:44.620 --> 11:47.400]  We had not yet even gotten into the Barack Obama era.
[11:48.080 --> 11:51.740]  The WTO protests in Seattle had happened months earlier.
[11:52.340 --> 11:57.660]  So, independent media was starting to become well-known amongst many of us.
[11:57.940 --> 11:59.300]  It was a changing world.
[11:59.300 --> 12:00.240]  It was an exciting time.
[12:00.380 --> 12:00.900]  It still is.
[12:00.900 --> 12:04.620]  But back then, it was different, but also similar.
[12:05.080 --> 12:09.180]  So, I'd like to focus on that and give out the phone number again.
[12:09.340 --> 12:11.160]  212-209-2950.
[12:11.160 --> 12:16.900]  Anyone have any other remarks on this before we plunge into Jello from the year 2000?
[12:17.060 --> 12:17.240]  Bernie?
[12:17.800 --> 12:18.760]  Well, yeah.
[12:19.140 --> 12:23.180]  Jello definitely was one of the most popular keynote speakers we've had.
[12:23.240 --> 12:24.540]  They've all been well-received.
[12:24.660 --> 12:28.060]  But people keep coming back to hear these talks.
[12:28.620 --> 12:33.880]  And how many DVDs of Jello in this Jello pack are there?
[12:34.000 --> 12:38.960]  Well, I was trying to calculate that because sometimes we cram a few hours into one DVD.
[12:39.160 --> 12:41.820]  Sometimes we have one hour per DVD.
[12:41.820 --> 12:53.000]  I'd have to say, if we're talking about five conferences, an average of between two and three hours each, we're talking 10, 11, 12 hours of content.
[12:53.220 --> 12:53.520]  Wow.
[12:53.760 --> 12:54.860]  And that's for a pledge of $50.
[12:55.320 --> 12:55.820]  That's pretty good.
[12:55.960 --> 12:56.780]  It's a lot of Jello.
[12:57.120 --> 13:03.280]  It's more Jello than you can probably digest in a single sitting, but it's enough for you to come back to when you want more.
[13:04.900 --> 13:08.760]  And you can also get the Steve Rombaum package as well.
[13:09.320 --> 13:10.500]  You can mix and match.
[13:10.600 --> 13:16.260]  You can get the $50 Jello pack and a spy camera pen, and that's $125 right there.
[13:16.380 --> 13:23.720]  So just say that you want the spy camera and Jello, or you can get the Steve Rombaum set and the spy camera, or you can get the Steve Rombaum set, the spy camera, and Jello.
[13:23.860 --> 13:25.560]  There's all kinds of possibilities here.
[13:25.920 --> 13:26.540]  It's amazing.
[13:26.760 --> 13:30.560]  You can always just pledge money, too, not get a premium at all, if this is too confusing.
[13:30.560 --> 13:31.760]  You could do that as well.
[13:31.880 --> 13:36.040]  But we want to give something back in addition to the actual radio show and the radio station.
[13:36.680 --> 13:39.200]  So let's take a listen to Jello from the year 2000.
[13:39.200 --> 13:44.520]  This is moments after he began speaking for the very first time at a hacker conference.
[13:44.660 --> 13:44.900]  Let's listen.
[13:44.900 --> 13:50.820]  In case you haven't noticed, we are living in very interesting times.
[13:51.360 --> 14:05.620]  I thought it would be years before a mass backlash, if not outright insurrection, against the increasingly run-amuck and arrogant corporate rule began.
[14:05.620 --> 14:13.780]  But it's already here and it seems to be growing and growing and growing like some sort of prairie fire.
[14:14.500 --> 14:28.940]  Not since people came out of the woodwork from all walks of life to just say no to the Vietnam War, fight for civil rights, the environment and feminism, etc.
[14:28.940 --> 14:36.980]  have this many people banded together for one thing against the wishes of our rulers.
[14:37.660 --> 14:42.420]  And like Vietnam, right now it's advantaged the other side.
[14:42.660 --> 14:48.740]  You know, the corporate world order, the World Trade Organization, IMF, World Bank, etc.
[14:49.140 --> 14:54.840]  They have the money, they have the power, they have the guns, they have the media.
[14:54.840 --> 15:08.840]  But that was the same situation people faced when a few lonely voices in the wilderness put down their rah-rah American flags and said we should not be in Vietnam, we gotta stop this.
[15:09.160 --> 15:18.460]  And it took a long time and a lot of hard work, but eventually the American people did stop the Vietnam War.
[15:18.460 --> 15:27.760]  And this battle against corporate rule is at least as important and will probably be at least as tough to fight.
[15:28.040 --> 15:33.840]  But like Vietnam, I think percolating out there, the numbers are there.
[15:34.140 --> 15:40.500]  Even among people we don't necessarily agree with on a lot of things, the same wedge issue applies.
[15:40.500 --> 15:43.640]  Why can't I put food on the table anymore?
[15:44.620 --> 15:48.020]  It's no accident that it wasn't just...
[15:48.020 --> 16:10.780]  In Seattle, for example, one of the really cool things about that, the anti-WTO demonstrations last fall, was that people who would normally be derided as tree-huggers or freaks or whatever, were marching side-by-side people they would normally deride as rednecks or hardhats.
[16:11.440 --> 16:14.080]  Steelworkers, unions, teamsters, etc.
[16:14.520 --> 16:21.220]  who I might add were not marching with the protestors during all the protests against the Vietnam War.
[16:21.220 --> 16:24.620]  This is new and this is important.
[16:25.160 --> 16:34.680]  And this fight is gonna go on, like it has already, both inside the system and outside the system.
[16:35.000 --> 16:44.020]  I think many people here have had at least some experience and inner glee fighting it from outside the system, one way or another.
[16:44.020 --> 16:56.000]  And, you know, both with Seattle and interesting little online pranks and united students against sweatshops.
[16:56.280 --> 16:58.020]  That's pretty cool, I would say.
[16:58.020 --> 17:11.100]  If people band together and pressure their universities to quit making the rah-rah school mascot shirts in places that not even Kathy Lee Crosby can stomach anymore.
[17:12.060 --> 17:21.140]  And I think it's going to be very, very interesting outside the Democratic and Republican conventions coming up real soon.
[17:21.280 --> 17:27.720]  Although I am biting my nails after the Philadelphia police were shown in all their glory.
[17:31.790 --> 17:36.690]  Well, yeah, another person from Philly told me, well, yeah, of course they're gonna go wild.
[17:36.870 --> 17:40.690]  People here don't care if it tarnishes the image of the city.
[17:40.830 --> 17:42.790]  They just don't care.
[17:45.510 --> 17:59.670]  And from within the system, even the most pro-Bush and pro-Gore punditoids are predicting the lowest election turnout in our history this fall.
[18:00.290 --> 18:16.570]  And, which actually opens the door for real alternative parties to come in and make a bigger impact than if every brainwashed Democrat and Republican actually showed up and Christian coalition Nazi actually showed up to vote.
[18:16.830 --> 18:17.770]  Jell-O for president!
[18:17.890 --> 18:18.690]  Jell-O for president!
[18:18.850 --> 18:22.230]  Well, Jell-O is not a candidate for president anymore.
[18:22.830 --> 18:29.690]  See, I'm a member of the Green Party and went to their convention last June, and the Green Party nominated Ralph Nader.
[18:30.290 --> 18:35.670]  And there's a diverse group among the Greens, much more diverse than I expected, actually.
[18:35.930 --> 18:46.550]  And if you're gonna build a real alternative to the Republicans, you have to be willing to work with people you don't necessarily agree with on every single nitpicky issue.
[18:46.550 --> 18:54.150]  So now, my job is to urge all of you to get off your butts and register and vote for Ralph Nader this fall.
[18:58.750 --> 19:14.050]  Probably the only candidate whose gut instinct is against complete corporatizing of e-commerce and the net, and using it for almost nothing but fascistic and shopping purposes, if you will.
[19:14.050 --> 19:30.210]  And that means, another reason to draw people into it this way, is because hopefully then people pay attention to the local elections, too, where the more people like us show up, the more likely somebody cool can get on the city council, the state legislature,
[19:31.490 --> 19:39.490]  you know, and keep Christian coalition stealth candidates off school boards and things like that.
[19:39.490 --> 19:43.390]  They bank on us not showing up, but they're organized.
[19:43.390 --> 19:47.250]  They do show up, and we can learn from that.
[19:47.390 --> 20:02.270]  And keep in mind, nationally, that if Nader gets 5% of the vote this fall, that's a hell of a victory, in a way, because the Green Party gets matching federal funds in 2004.
[20:03.610 --> 20:09.950]  Visualize the possibility if some of those funds are spent letting people like us design the ads.
[20:16.080 --> 20:26.900]  And the thing where this groundswell is really coming from is more and more people are realizing that, yes, corporations are going too damn far, too damn fast.
[20:26.900 --> 20:29.800]  I thought it was going to take years for this backlash to happen.
[20:30.140 --> 20:31.180]  Here it is.
[20:31.320 --> 20:41.600]  It's the galvanizing issue, just as Vietnam, civil rights, et cetera, were in the 60s, early 70s.
[20:41.720 --> 20:45.720]  I mean, at this point, I mean, they say, oh, they're threatening the capitalist system.
[20:45.840 --> 20:46.980]  Oh, what do we do?
[20:47.060 --> 20:52.000]  Especially if we have to, like, let people go to a doctor without paying up the ass to HMOs.
[20:52.000 --> 20:56.560]  HMOs, that's communism, that's socialism, bull****, it's a human right.
[20:57.520 --> 20:58.840]  I mean, what we have...
[21:01.890 --> 21:12.430]  In every other major industrialized country on Earth, including Canada and all of Europe, access to a doctor is written into the law as a basic human right.
[21:12.810 --> 21:31.640]  Here we have a disease industry, instead, that likes to see how they can profit off of other people's misfortunes and would rather spend billions and billions of dollars on the next Viagra than even bothering to manufacture stuff that cures malaria, because there's not any money in that.
[21:31.800 --> 21:33.140]  Let those people die.
[21:34.080 --> 21:35.360]  That's the attitude.
[21:35.620 --> 21:37.940]  That's the corporate attitude of the drug companies.
[21:37.940 --> 21:50.060]  So, basically, what we have now for the big folks signed into law by the GATT Treaty that created the WTO and the NAFTA Treaty, etc., this isn't even capitalism anymore.
[21:50.300 --> 21:52.080]  This is feudalism.
[21:52.760 --> 22:11.500]  You know, feudalism, barons and lords in the high castles with a big old moat around them and an army of knights while the peasants till the land on the other side and have to turn most of the food over hoping they don't get killed or run off their meager rental property or whatever.
[22:12.080 --> 22:26.980]  And how different is that from every time we go out and buy anything from Shell Oil or Microsoft or IBM or Sony or McDonald's or whatever, we are their serfs.
[22:28.180 --> 22:41.880]  And the only way to completely divorce oneself from corporate feudalism all the way in this day and age, I only know of one person, pure and politically correct as a driven snow, who ever pulled this off.
[22:42.420 --> 22:43.900]  The Unabomber.
[22:48.830 --> 22:54.030]  But Mr. Kaczynski kind of suffered for his art, didn't he?
[22:54.170 --> 23:09.790]  I mean, not everybody who wants to get away from corporate feudalism wants to live in a little cabin as big as this platform with one window in it and gets so miserable that you spend all your time mailing bombs to people you've never met because you can't get laid.
[23:14.390 --> 23:18.150]  There's got to be a better way.
[23:18.530 --> 23:31.230]  You know, all of us who want to divorce ourselves from this sort of thing, you know, we each kind of have to decide, pick our own moral code that we not only can live with but can live up to.
[23:31.490 --> 23:45.130]  Because I've noticed some of the ones who go way, way, way over the line, militant, squat, vegan, everybody else is against me, et cetera, are some of the first to snap like rubber bands and go completely the other way because they see everything in black and white terms,
[23:45.270 --> 23:45.490]  right?
[23:45.570 --> 23:51.770]  So, if I can't do this, well, hey, maybe I'll just go back to school and get a computer job and a BMW.
[23:52.210 --> 23:53.590]  I mean, I've seen this happen.
[23:53.990 --> 24:03.590]  I mean, if you don't go so far over this way, you're less likely to spring like a rubber band and turn into the very SUV parasite you hated in the first place.
[24:08.810 --> 24:24.510]  But, of course, you never hear about this very much at all in the straight media, which, in my opinion, has gotten to the point where it's outright old Soviet evil empire style censorship.
[24:24.970 --> 24:36.010]  I mean, the worst kind of censorship going on now, in my opinion, is not necessarily what Tipper Gore or Jerry Falwell or any of them have done.
[24:36.010 --> 24:53.350]  It's CNN, USA Today, ABC, NBC, CBS News, Time, Newspeak, excuse me, Newsweek, et cetera, deliberately not reporting the major stories that actually affect our lives.
[24:53.510 --> 24:54.670]  Global warming?
[24:54.870 --> 24:56.090]  Who cares?
[24:56.630 --> 24:59.870]  NSYNC's album is the fastest selling one in all time.
[25:00.150 --> 25:02.710]  Everybody's buying it, therefore you should, too.
[25:03.070 --> 25:04.950]  Buy, buy, buy.
[25:04.950 --> 25:06.830]  Shut up and shop.
[25:07.170 --> 25:08.710]  Shut up and shop.
[25:08.950 --> 25:12.290]  Shut up and shop is the mantra, if you will.
[25:12.610 --> 25:20.430]  It wasn't that long ago that there wasn't just three branches of our government, the President, the Congress, and the Supreme Court.
[25:20.610 --> 25:26.030]  The fourth branch that kept the others in check was the press.
[25:26.590 --> 25:36.890]  I mean, I remember part of what turned people against the Vietnam War was the raw footage of blown up American soldiers on primetime news every night.
[25:37.130 --> 25:40.210]  You don't see that now, do you?
[25:40.750 --> 25:44.870]  Oh dear me, Meg Ryan's breaking up with her husband.
[25:45.170 --> 25:46.830]  Oh my God, how important.
[25:46.830 --> 25:49.090]  That's what you get instead.
[25:49.890 --> 26:11.670]  I mean, same with, you'll contrast the way they covered Watergate and brought down Nixon with the way they covered Contragate, which was a much bigger scandal involving government operatives running drugs into this country, assassinations, the mysterious death of a reporter who uncovered the Inslaw software scandal,
[26:11.670 --> 26:16.110]  if that rings a bell, but that doesn't get reported.
[26:16.330 --> 26:17.550]  And there's a reason for that.
[26:18.290 --> 26:43.050]  During the Reagan administration, part of the great swindle, the Reagan-Bush-Clinton swindle still going on, was deregulating business laws so that corporations had a much easier time merging with others or swallowing up others in hostile takeovers, which meant some of the very rogue corporations that used to be policed by this forced branch of government,
[26:43.210 --> 26:48.670]  through exposure of how horrible they were, started buying up the media themselves.
[26:48.970 --> 26:59.470]  For example, how many of you know that NBC is owned by General Electric, one of the world's largest arms manufacturers?
[27:00.110 --> 27:05.510]  This gives General Electric editorial control over NBC News.
[27:06.050 --> 27:10.270]  So naturally, it's like, rah, rah, isn't the Gulf War great?
[27:10.430 --> 27:12.250]  Don't our missiles always work?
[27:12.410 --> 27:14.310]  After all, GE helped build them.
[27:14.510 --> 27:15.570]  Oh, this is great.
[27:15.730 --> 27:18.330]  Yellow ribbons, rah, rah, George Bush, etc.
[27:18.770 --> 27:20.910]  Okay, we gotta stop you there, Jello.
[27:21.190 --> 27:29.050]  That's Jello Biafra speaking to the Hackers on Planet Earth conference back in the year 2000, his debut appearance at the Hope series.
[27:29.650 --> 27:41.610]  We are offering that talk, which runs a couple of hours, plus four others, going all the way to the year 2008, on all kinds of relevant topics that remain relevant years...
[27:41.950 --> 27:47.290]  I can't believe that's 12 years ago, but I'm still riveted listening to this because it all applies today.
[27:47.930 --> 27:51.470]  A pledge of $50, you'll get all of those DVDs with...
[27:51.470 --> 27:57.770]  There's a lot of visuals here, too, that I think are definitely worth the cost.
[27:58.890 --> 28:01.210]  212-209-2950.
[28:01.210 --> 28:01.990]  That's not all.
[28:02.110 --> 28:04.610]  We're also offering the spy camera pen.
[28:04.610 --> 28:13.290]  Yes, an actual pen that writes and has a video camera hidden inside it, so that you can, next time you get stopped by authorities...
[28:13.290 --> 28:15.870]  Well, it's not really legal to do this, I guess, but you can record them.
[28:16.210 --> 28:17.410]  That's totally illegal.
[28:17.610 --> 28:18.230]  Is it legal?
[28:18.350 --> 28:18.510]  Yeah.
[28:19.170 --> 28:20.130]  To record cops.
[28:20.230 --> 28:21.750]  I mean, you might get arrested anyway, but it's...
[28:21.750 --> 28:22.750]  Well, they'll say it's illegal.
[28:22.810 --> 28:23.330]  But it's legal.
[28:23.810 --> 28:25.850]  Next time I go through Homeland Security and I get...
[28:25.850 --> 28:27.550]  I don't know about at the border.
[28:27.610 --> 28:30.930]  The border is weird, but once you're in the country, it's legal to record cops.
[28:30.930 --> 28:35.670]  Okay, so if you feel that you can be harassed by the police and having one of these pens, I think, is an essential thing.
[28:36.770 --> 28:37.490]  They record...
[28:37.490 --> 28:38.190]  What did we determine?
[28:38.330 --> 28:39.770]  It was a couple of hours of audio?
[28:40.050 --> 28:40.690]  Or video, rather?
[28:40.950 --> 28:50.190]  I don't remember exactly, but you can record the video and the audio and then you just plug it right into your computer and you can play it back and you can analyze it frame by frame and whatever you want to do.
[28:50.310 --> 28:50.890]  It's incredible technology.
[28:51.030 --> 28:52.510]  That's yours for a pledge of $75.
[28:53.010 --> 29:00.710]  We also have the Steve Rombaum seminar set on privacy and database technologies that have taken place over the years.
[29:00.710 --> 29:04.770]  Those talks go from 1997 all the way to 2010.
[29:05.690 --> 29:07.530]  And that's a 15 DVD set.
[29:07.670 --> 29:08.710]  Again, a pledge is $75.
[29:08.990 --> 29:10.190]  So we have a variety of things.
[29:10.290 --> 29:17.810]  But the Jello Biafra is what we're focusing on tonight primarily because he was another important part of the HOPE conferences.
[29:18.390 --> 29:23.150]  And it's a great way to catch up on the history, to hear what the issues were.
[29:23.150 --> 29:28.750]  I mean, he's talking about the election, about conventions, about third parties.
[29:29.210 --> 29:34.390]  And in some ways, it's kind of frustrating because it doesn't feel like we've really advanced in 12 years.
[29:34.410 --> 29:36.570]  It feels like we're in the exact same place.
[29:36.850 --> 29:40.190]  Other instances, you know, yeah, okay, we have grown a little bit.
[29:40.190 --> 29:41.530]  There seems to be a lot more awareness.
[29:41.750 --> 29:43.530]  The Occupy Wall Street movement is out there.
[29:43.970 --> 29:45.770]  There does seem to be more dialogue.
[29:45.770 --> 29:49.110]  And we've certainly been through a lot in the last dozen years.
[29:50.310 --> 29:53.390]  It's definitely something that will make you think, that will educate you.
[29:53.650 --> 29:56.470]  And it's yours for a pledge of only $50.
[29:57.550 --> 29:59.730]  212-209-2950.
[29:59.730 --> 30:02.190]  We need to raise over $1,000 this hour.
[30:02.210 --> 30:04.450]  And I think we're only up to about $100 so far.
[30:04.590 --> 30:07.310]  So we need to get those phone calls coming in.
[30:07.310 --> 30:15.430]  And if there's any indication, last week the phones were lighting up off the hook, no pun intended, for the spy camera pens because they are just so cool.
[30:16.810 --> 30:19.470]  So, again, we're only offering that this hour.
[30:19.470 --> 30:20.390]  We will not.
[30:20.390 --> 30:23.830]  We will not be offering this next week or the week after or any other week.
[30:23.830 --> 30:24.530]  That's it.
[30:24.570 --> 30:27.670]  After 8 o'clock tonight, not offering those anymore.
[30:27.670 --> 30:29.170]  So that's a pledge of $75.
[30:29.490 --> 30:30.450]  And you can combine these two.
[30:30.670 --> 30:34.910]  If you want the spy camera and the Steve Rambam seminar, you can get that for $125.
[30:35.510 --> 30:39.370]  Add $50 for the Jello Biafra series as well.
[30:39.590 --> 30:44.570]  All kinds of combinations that you can put together, but only available this hour.
[30:44.750 --> 30:45.350]  Important thing.
[30:45.410 --> 30:48.630]  The reason we're doing this is because this is how the station stays afloat.
[30:48.690 --> 30:49.530]  We don't have commercials.
[30:49.750 --> 30:52.490]  If we did have commercials, do you think we'd be able to air what we just aired?
[30:52.730 --> 30:53.290]  No way.
[30:53.470 --> 30:54.730]  No one's going to allow that.
[30:54.890 --> 31:02.230]  You go to any other station on the FM dial that's not a non-commercial station, and that will be strictly forbidden.
[31:02.450 --> 31:11.410]  And even if it is a non-commercial station, many times they're locked into very rigid formats, and for other reasons this kind of material is not allowed.
[31:11.430 --> 31:15.990]  So it's vital that you support this so that we can continue to bring it to you.
[31:16.390 --> 31:21.690]  Hope conferences would not be happening the way they are without this radio station because we are able to reach a lot of people.
[31:21.690 --> 31:24.810]  We can't just reach on a website or through the magazine.
[31:25.050 --> 31:29.070]  It's many different ways of connecting with the community.
[31:29.410 --> 31:34.730]  So WBAI is a vital part of all that, and your call, your pledge helps to ensure its future.
[31:34.830 --> 31:36.890]  212-209-2950.
[31:37.210 --> 31:42.970]  You know, it's interesting when you say, you point out that most radio stations, no radio stations would air this kind of material.
[31:43.210 --> 31:47.230]  And what's really interesting to me is even if they did, they would air 10 seconds of it.
[31:47.230 --> 31:51.810]  But you don't get the kind of in-depth, you don't get to hear 10 minutes of Jello Biafra anywhere.
[31:52.090 --> 31:53.190]  It was 13 minutes, Mike.
[31:53.410 --> 31:53.890]  13 minutes.
[31:54.070 --> 31:56.210]  Well, imagine how rarely you hear that.
[31:56.210 --> 32:00.710]  We didn't stop to sell telephones or beer or anything like that.
[32:00.830 --> 32:01.930]  We just kept it going.
[32:02.190 --> 32:04.750]  And yeah, the only thing we had to do was censor one of the words.
[32:05.410 --> 32:06.850]  But you can figure out what it was.
[32:06.990 --> 32:08.250]  Yeah, that's not our rule.
[32:08.350 --> 32:09.430]  That's the FCC's.
[32:10.570 --> 32:17.930]  And they just, you know, the sound bite way that most of the media operates is just not what we do.
[32:18.070 --> 32:20.830]  It's not really what any program on WBAI does.
[32:20.970 --> 32:22.170]  We give you the full story.
[32:22.450 --> 32:24.150]  And then you can make your own judgment.
[32:24.690 --> 32:26.890]  So help keep us on the air.
[32:27.070 --> 32:28.310]  Let us continue to do that.
[32:28.430 --> 32:30.230]  212-209-2950.
[32:30.490 --> 32:32.250]  Join the two callers on the line right now.
[32:32.390 --> 32:36.930]  I intentionally don't turn up this knob here because a lot of other people on the station do.
[32:37.310 --> 32:41.190]  What that does, every time the phone rings, you hear the bell.
[32:41.490 --> 32:44.250]  Now, I'm not asking people to call in now just to make the bell ring.
[32:44.410 --> 32:45.850]  That would be kind of childish and immature.
[32:45.850 --> 32:48.070]  And it would just make a lot of people very sad.
[32:48.070 --> 32:53.550]  Because if there's nobody there making a pledge, when you call in, it kind of ruins your whole day.
[32:53.770 --> 32:59.850]  But if you do want to call now, I have that switch up just to show how annoying it can be when people call in.
[32:59.950 --> 33:03.250]  So this would be a good time for a flurry of people to call at the same time.
[33:03.550 --> 33:05.210]  212-209-2950.
[33:05.210 --> 33:11.630]  If you're on the fence about this, you're thinking, yeah, this might be a good thing to have, you know, to give to a grandpa or something like that.
[33:11.730 --> 33:17.070]  Yeah, it's a really good way to open people's eyes and say, yeah, this is what I'm talking about.
[33:17.110 --> 33:18.210]  This is what's important to me.
[33:18.690 --> 33:22.850]  Whether it's the Steve Rombaum set on privacy issues, or whether it's Jell-O-B offer...
[33:22.850 --> 33:23.410]  Oh, you see?
[33:23.610 --> 33:24.110]  You see?
[33:24.230 --> 33:25.210]  Can you turn that down now?
[33:25.210 --> 33:26.770]  No, I can't turn it down because it's locked.
[33:26.910 --> 33:27.790]  It's locked in place.
[33:27.870 --> 33:30.390]  Once you have this up, there's no volume control.
[33:30.390 --> 33:36.590]  So pledge now and give us the freedom to make a slider that actually slides in both directions.
[33:36.590 --> 33:37.430]  You see that person...
[33:37.430 --> 33:38.990]  212-209-2950.
[33:39.370 --> 33:42.210]  That first person hung up, and I condemn that kind of behavior.
[33:42.450 --> 33:44.370]  That's not... the second person is still on the line.
[33:44.470 --> 33:45.610]  So thank you for that call.
[33:45.730 --> 33:46.550]  Assuming you're calling in.
[33:47.070 --> 33:48.730]  There's another person calling in as well.
[33:48.890 --> 33:49.910]  I don't know...
[33:49.910 --> 33:51.950]  See, when you were down in the tally room, right?
[33:52.950 --> 33:53.450]  All right.
[33:53.690 --> 33:54.090]  I know.
[33:54.090 --> 33:55.070]  It really is incredibly loud.
[33:55.390 --> 33:57.970]  When you're down in the tally room, they...
[33:57.970 --> 33:59.270]  Isn't anybody picking it up?
[33:59.370 --> 33:59.490]  Okay.
[34:00.250 --> 34:01.510]  That's not where the bells are, right?
[34:02.630 --> 34:05.530]  No, that's a computer-generated bell that we just heard.
[34:06.470 --> 34:07.630]  You're saying this isn't a real bell?
[34:07.730 --> 34:09.590]  I thought we had a room with, like, bells.
[34:09.810 --> 34:10.370]  We used to.
[34:10.890 --> 34:11.210]  Really?
[34:12.050 --> 34:13.910]  Unless we have a new one that I haven't seen.
[34:14.030 --> 34:15.330]  Well, they do all seem to sound the same.
[34:15.330 --> 34:15.870]  I'll say that.
[34:16.010 --> 34:17.570]  It used to be different kinds of bells.
[34:17.730 --> 34:20.170]  Maybe if more people call in, we can analyze this on the air.
[34:20.590 --> 34:22.270]  We have two calls right now.
[34:22.370 --> 34:23.190]  The third call coming in.
[34:24.050 --> 34:24.470]  All right.
[34:24.530 --> 34:28.230]  Now, if another call comes in and it sounds the same, then I think Mike's theory might be correct.
[34:28.370 --> 34:29.130]  We have three calls on the line.
[34:29.190 --> 34:29.870]  Please don't hang up.
[34:29.870 --> 34:31.730]  Please stay on the line and pledge.
[34:32.090 --> 34:33.170]  Did you see that person hung up?
[34:33.250 --> 34:33.850]  That's not...
[34:33.850 --> 34:33.910]  Okay.
[34:34.930 --> 34:36.990]  We're not learning anything if you just hang up.
[34:37.110 --> 34:39.770]  We have to stay on the line and actually make a pledge.
[34:39.910 --> 34:41.670]  212-209-2950.
[34:42.390 --> 34:42.810]  All right.
[34:42.810 --> 34:48.270]  Let's get a couple more calling in, and then we'll know for sure if this is just the same bell over and over again.
[34:48.550 --> 34:49.850]  That'd be kind of sad if it wasn't.
[34:50.010 --> 34:51.150]  Why would they take that away?
[34:51.310 --> 34:51.530]  You know?
[34:51.610 --> 34:54.050]  It was a real bell sounding...
[34:54.470 --> 34:54.890]  All right.
[34:54.930 --> 34:56.870]  Is that another one or is that the same line?
[35:00.170 --> 35:01.750]  I see three calls on the line.
[35:02.450 --> 35:02.510]  All right.
[35:02.910 --> 35:03.610]  Now I see four.
[35:03.730 --> 35:03.870]  Okay.
[35:04.530 --> 35:05.170]  Yeah, you know what?
[35:05.210 --> 35:05.970]  I think...
[35:06.390 --> 35:07.470]  I think it's just playing...
[35:07.470 --> 35:07.890]  I'm sorry.
[35:07.910 --> 35:08.110]  Go ahead.
[35:08.210 --> 35:10.210]  I think it's just playing a bell sound when somebody calls.
[35:10.370 --> 35:11.050]  Yeah, I guess so.
[35:11.210 --> 35:11.790]  It's annoying.
[35:11.910 --> 35:12.190]  It's annoying.
[35:12.190 --> 35:13.450]  Okay, I can turn it off now.
[35:13.670 --> 35:14.290]  But thank you.
[35:14.430 --> 35:16.250]  We have four calls on the line right now.
[35:16.670 --> 35:18.550]  You see, this is what it takes for the hacker community.
[35:18.690 --> 35:27.710]  You've got to make a little jingle or sound or just some effect that people can have by calling a number, and it entices people to call in and say, Yeah, I made that noise on the radio.
[35:27.910 --> 35:30.270]  That's what it used to sound like in the back room.
[35:30.610 --> 35:31.930]  It had the bell noise.
[35:31.930 --> 35:33.410]  That's what it used to sound like in everybody's room.
[35:33.470 --> 35:34.710]  That's what phones used to sound like.
[35:34.790 --> 35:35.710]  It was kind of cool.
[35:36.650 --> 35:41.310]  But, you know, in addition to making a nice little bell, you'll also get an incredible premium.
[35:41.510 --> 35:42.630]  You'll get DVDs.
[35:42.710 --> 35:44.070]  You'll get a spy camera.
[35:44.350 --> 35:47.930]  Most importantly, though, you'll get the knowledge of knowing that you helped.
[35:48.090 --> 35:49.290]  You kept this place going.
[35:49.690 --> 35:52.470]  Imagine this place not being here for all this time period.
[35:52.650 --> 35:59.370]  I mean, back then, it seems like yesterday, but that was right after the WTO protest or a few months afterwards in Seattle back in 1999.
[35:59.910 --> 36:03.850]  This place was essential for that pivotal moment in American history.
[36:03.850 --> 36:05.990]  There are so many other moments coming up.
[36:06.150 --> 36:08.850]  I mean, do you really think this year is going to go with just a whimper?
[36:08.930 --> 36:09.490]  I don't think so.
[36:09.550 --> 36:17.910]  I think it's going to be an incredible year with the conventions, with the election, with Occupy Wall Street, with all kinds of social issues happening, and world issues as well.
[36:18.150 --> 36:19.950]  WBAI is where you find out about this.
[36:20.250 --> 36:21.850]  212-209-2950.
[36:21.850 --> 36:23.070]  Get the Jell-O-B offer pack.
[36:23.070 --> 36:24.670]  Get the spy camera.
[36:24.870 --> 36:26.710]  Get the Steve Rambam seminar set.
[36:26.970 --> 36:28.670]  212-209-2950.
[36:28.930 --> 36:29.730]  Light those phones up.
[36:29.830 --> 36:29.930]  Rob.
[36:29.930 --> 36:30.570]  Yes.
[36:30.750 --> 36:34.670]  And as you know, this is a community-sponsored radio station.
[36:34.910 --> 36:35.850]  This is what pays the bills.
[36:36.010 --> 36:37.530]  It's you right here, right now.
[36:37.730 --> 36:39.610]  We don't do anything else to pull money in.
[36:40.150 --> 36:45.770]  This is all that we can do is ask our listeners and our supporters to contribute to the well-being of this station.
[36:46.050 --> 36:51.230]  And yes, you get these DVDs and you get these cameras that we're donating to give you as gifts.
[36:51.230 --> 36:57.550]  But most importantly, you get the radio station and your pledge also makes you a member of the radio station.
[36:57.690 --> 37:02.970]  You become a member with a vote and a voice in how things actually happen at this station.
[37:03.170 --> 37:07.250]  So if you care about this station, you always wanted to take a more active hand in it, this is the way to do it.
[37:07.330 --> 37:11.110]  Become a member and contribute.
[37:11.110 --> 37:13.130]  Not only a vote, you can run.
[37:13.330 --> 37:16.330]  You can run for office if you actually want to do that.
[37:17.130 --> 37:24.010]  A lot of people wind up controlling the direction that the station goes in that particular way.
[37:24.170 --> 37:32.350]  All of our listeners control the direction by voicing their opinion and voting with their pledges and also voting with their ballots when that time comes.
[37:32.890 --> 37:39.590]  It's a great participatory system that you will not find anywhere else on the radio dial that I can think of.
[37:39.870 --> 37:41.470]  212-209-2950.
[37:41.750 --> 37:42.570]  I mean, it's...
[37:43.150 --> 37:44.090]  Like, so we get it.
[37:44.250 --> 37:47.270]  It's a little bit obnoxious for us to be asking you for money all the time.
[37:47.270 --> 37:48.710]  We don't like doing it either.
[37:48.850 --> 37:53.470]  But the reason we do it is that it really lets us know who supports us.
[37:53.470 --> 37:55.670]  We know that you support us.
[37:55.770 --> 37:57.150]  We know that you support this program.
[37:57.150 --> 38:02.230]  If we went by some other model, we would just know, like, who the serial companies support.
[38:02.410 --> 38:04.870]  And I guess it's probably not hackers, but we could find out.
[38:05.390 --> 38:08.970]  But this lets us know, does the audience like this program or not?
[38:09.210 --> 38:10.590]  Are they pledging or not?
[38:10.890 --> 38:13.810]  212-209-2950 to cast your vote.
[38:14.070 --> 38:16.130]  Say you want to keep us on the air.
[38:17.310 --> 38:20.110]  And, you know, that's all we can do.
[38:20.230 --> 38:21.070]  It's annoying, yes.
[38:21.070 --> 38:25.290]  We know that it's annoying to be hounded, especially when everybody's doing it these days.
[38:26.410 --> 38:27.610]  But it is essential.
[38:27.750 --> 38:28.270]  It is essential.
[38:28.490 --> 38:28.770]  Emanuel?
[38:28.890 --> 38:29.050]  Yes.
[38:29.330 --> 38:36.190]  I want to say, if listeners find us annoying, they can call us and we'll shut up and play more Jello Biafra.
[38:36.270 --> 38:36.970]  We do have more Jello.
[38:37.090 --> 38:38.330]  We do have more Jello to serve.
[38:38.630 --> 38:46.370]  But the amount of time we spend on the air fundraising is a fraction of the amount of time that commercial stations play commercials.
[38:46.370 --> 38:54.830]  And you get much less good stuff listening to other radio stations from a content standpoint and even from a premium standpoint.
[38:55.230 --> 39:09.630]  So I encourage our listeners, please, call 212-209-2950 and keep a radio station on the air that really cares about what you listen to and doesn't really care about what corporations want you to listen to, namely the commercials.
[39:09.630 --> 39:28.890]  When you listen to a commercial station, the price of the products you buy that are advertised on a commercial radio station is more than it would be because those radio stations take a lot of advertising money, which the companies that sell cars or whatever have to increase their price.
[39:29.530 --> 39:30.050]  Absolutely.
[39:30.390 --> 39:31.630]  We don't do that model here.
[39:31.810 --> 39:32.790]  And you don't get a choice.
[39:32.970 --> 39:36.190]  You don't get to be asked, do you want this?
[39:36.190 --> 39:37.090]  It just happens.
[39:37.450 --> 39:37.630]  Right.
[39:37.690 --> 39:38.690]  This is a perfect model.
[39:38.890 --> 39:45.970]  This is as grassroots as it gets when it comes to radio and really stimulating audio content.
[39:46.130 --> 39:47.790]  212-209-2950.
[39:48.050 --> 39:50.850]  We've got some great premium gifts and great content.
[39:51.630 --> 39:56.890]  Jell Biafra, Steve Rambam, camcorder pens, camcorder key fobs.
[39:57.070 --> 39:58.010]  But just call.
[39:58.130 --> 40:03.530]  No matter what the premiums are, the important thing is to call the station and support this model of information.
[40:03.530 --> 40:07.830]  Yeah, I can only wait to get my spy camera pen because it's just the coolest thing.
[40:08.510 --> 40:10.150]  Every kid wants something like this.
[40:10.230 --> 40:11.430]  And every kid can have it now, too.
[40:11.530 --> 40:12.550]  That's a really amazing thing.
[40:12.650 --> 40:14.090]  He should just be Dick Tracy had this.
[40:15.170 --> 40:18.890]  Wouldn't it be amazing if when you went to buy a can of soda, there was like a ballot on the back?
[40:18.890 --> 40:22.030]  Do you want your money to fund this radio program or that?
[40:22.230 --> 40:22.470]  Mm-hmm.
[40:22.770 --> 40:24.190]  Yeah, that would be something.
[40:24.390 --> 40:28.310]  We were talking about commercials and how much time is spent on commercials.
[40:28.310 --> 40:39.190]  All you have to do is watch any commercial television program and just count up the amount of time that the actual program, crappy as it is, takes up for that hour or half hour.
[40:39.370 --> 40:44.050]  You'll find that an hour-long program goes about, what, 42 minutes.
[40:44.050 --> 40:49.510]  That's 18 minutes of pure commercials per hour.
[40:49.510 --> 40:50.250]  All right?
[40:50.370 --> 40:51.690]  That's significant.
[40:51.690 --> 40:52.810]  That's a significant chunk.
[40:52.910 --> 40:54.750]  And that's every hour of every day.
[40:54.850 --> 40:55.470]  Exactly, yeah.
[40:55.630 --> 40:58.450]  And you're paying for it if you buy products from corporations.
[40:58.690 --> 41:02.230]  Now, even now, when we're begging for money on the radio, we're still providing content.
[41:02.230 --> 41:06.350]  We're still playing things that other radio stations will not dare to play.
[41:06.750 --> 41:08.430]  It's quite simple.
[41:08.430 --> 41:09.530]  We're going to go right back into that.
[41:09.730 --> 41:10.690]  Let's get one more call.
[41:10.810 --> 41:11.790]  Can we get one more call coming in?
[41:11.870 --> 41:13.710]  We've had a flurry, and that's great to see.
[41:14.410 --> 41:28.670]  Running over the premiums, once again, you'll get the Jelleby Offer set of, I think, about 10, maybe a dozen DVDs of all his talks during the Hope Conferences for a pledge of $50.
[41:29.210 --> 41:29.770]  5-0.
[41:30.090 --> 41:32.170]  2-1-2-2-0-9-2-9-5-0.
[41:32.410 --> 41:44.670]  And Jelleby Offer, of course, the lead singer of the Dead Kennedys back in the day, and someone who has an awful lot to communicate, to say in the spoken word world as well.
[41:45.350 --> 41:47.330]  2-1-2-2-0-9-2-9-5-0.
[41:47.570 --> 41:49.490]  A pledge of $50 gets you all of that.
[41:49.570 --> 41:50.790]  Incredible deal there.
[41:51.450 --> 42:07.710]  But if you want to pledge $125, you can get the Steve Rambam seminar set, which is 15 DVDs of privacy issues from a private eye, and all kinds of information about the databases that the government keeps and various corporations have on all of us.
[42:08.130 --> 42:14.790]  And in addition to that, you'll get the spy camera pen, which allows you to basically walk around with impunity, recording whatever it is you want to record.
[42:15.030 --> 42:18.310]  Or just leave a pen out on a table and see what people say about you when you leave the room.
[42:19.550 --> 42:20.650]  All kinds of possibilities.
[42:20.750 --> 42:21.310]  That's not legal.
[42:21.430 --> 42:24.490]  That's not legal, but I'm just saying it's possible that someone could do that.
[42:24.610 --> 42:26.170]  Or they could do it by accident, too.
[42:26.470 --> 42:27.190]  What happens then?
[42:28.590 --> 42:29.030]  Go ahead.
[42:29.630 --> 42:33.330]  Does the legality go on a state-by-state basis, though?
[42:33.330 --> 42:36.190]  I mean, some states are one party, some states are two parties.
[42:36.210 --> 42:37.210]  Oh, how'd that get turned up again?
[42:37.390 --> 42:37.710]  Oh, I'm sorry.
[42:37.830 --> 42:38.030]  Et cetera, right?
[42:39.050 --> 42:39.370]  Yes.
[42:39.550 --> 42:43.610]  You should consult a lawyer or license to practice in your jurisdiction if you have questions.
[42:43.670 --> 42:46.790]  Well, we don't have a lawyer in the room, but we do have Bernie on the phone, so that's the next best thing.
[42:46.890 --> 42:50.210]  I have no lawyer, but there's a great website that goes into this egalities.
[42:50.290 --> 42:59.270]  If you just search, do a web search for, can we record, you will find a great website that talks about the different states laws.
[42:59.270 --> 43:05.910]  Primarily, there's 12 states that require two-party consent, as opposed to one party's consent.
[43:06.050 --> 43:07.430]  But it's just too detailed to go into.
[43:07.690 --> 43:11.730]  The bottom line is, you know, if you're breaking the law, you have to be caught doing it.
[43:11.810 --> 43:17.010]  And second of all, just call the pledge to support the station, 212-209-2950.
[43:17.010 --> 43:17.170]  Yeah.
[43:17.270 --> 43:22.330]  You know, even if we were offering a pen that just wrote with ink, I think that's still, we're still giving you a good deal here.
[43:22.750 --> 43:24.250]  212-209-2950.
[43:24.470 --> 43:26.630]  Again, the spy camera pen, $75 pledge.
[43:26.910 --> 43:29.630]  Steve Rombaum DVD set, $75 pledge.
[43:30.170 --> 43:32.230]  Jello Biafra DVD set, $50 pledge.
[43:32.490 --> 43:33.910]  212-209-2950.
[43:33.910 --> 43:35.210]  We have more Jello Biafra.
[43:35.470 --> 43:38.050]  This coming from the year 2008.
[43:38.050 --> 43:42.070]  This was his last appearance, so far, at the HOPE conferences.
[43:42.070 --> 43:43.850]  It was at the last HOPE.
[43:44.210 --> 43:47.710]  And here, he'll be discussing voting machines.
[43:47.710 --> 43:50.490]  He'll be discussing Obama, everyone's favorite topic.
[43:50.910 --> 43:54.250]  And all kinds of other, I guess, more current issues.
[43:54.610 --> 43:57.510]  He has everything, all kinds of things to say about any issue.
[43:57.810 --> 44:00.310]  And even if it's 12 years ago, it's still fascinating.
[44:00.310 --> 44:05.150]  But this was only a few years ago, so it's even closer to relevancy.
[44:05.330 --> 44:06.250]  4 years ago.
[44:06.250 --> 44:08.330]  Uh, yeah, okay, four years ago.
[44:08.730 --> 44:09.450]  2008.
[44:09.990 --> 44:10.230]  All right.
[44:10.790 --> 44:12.710]  212-209-2950.
[44:12.710 --> 44:13.630]  Make your call now.
[44:13.630 --> 44:14.170]  Here's Jello.
[44:21.980 --> 44:28.600]  Have you ever wondered who the eraser head baby would be as an adult?
[44:29.600 --> 44:31.440]  Well, I have.
[44:31.440 --> 44:34.560]  And the answer is right in front of us.
[44:34.660 --> 44:36.420]  It's so obvious.
[44:36.920 --> 44:38.440]  Think about this for a minute.
[44:39.260 --> 44:40.440]  John McCain!
[44:43.240 --> 44:45.860]  I mean, some of these are so obvious.
[44:46.080 --> 44:53.580]  Like, most of you have seen, uh, what's the name of the TV show on Comedy Central where the woman gets out of jail and goes back to high school?
[44:54.100 --> 44:54.840]  Strangers with candy.
[44:54.880 --> 44:55.080]  Strangers with candy.
[44:55.080 --> 44:56.200]  Yeah, Strangers with candy.
[44:56.400 --> 44:57.180]  Jerry blank.
[44:57.620 --> 44:58.600]  Nancy Pelosi.
[45:00.480 --> 45:02.580]  I mean, think about that one.
[45:02.620 --> 45:06.800]  You'll never be able to look at one without thinking of the other ever again.
[45:08.160 --> 45:14.980]  Our main purpose is to get the troops out of Iraq, but we have to vote by money because that supports the troops.
[45:14.980 --> 45:15.860]  No, it doesn't.
[45:15.860 --> 45:17.100]  It supports Halliburton.
[45:17.180 --> 45:18.380]  And they all know that.
[45:18.680 --> 45:25.060]  And Pelosi was well aware of waterboarding for years in intelligence briefings and did nothing about it.
[45:25.060 --> 45:41.100]  So, the Eraserhead baby, the elderly Eraserhead baby, among other things, he wants to kick Russia out of the G8, legalize hate crimes in possession of a machine gun, and voted for the Military Commissions Act.
[45:41.100 --> 45:56.240]  The one that legalizes torture, waterboarding, rendition where you kidnap somebody from one country and torture them to another, and legalize military tribunals where the defendant isn't allowed to see the evidence, and no appeal, they just kill you.
[45:56.500 --> 46:02.960]  In other words, all the things we entered World War II to stop the Nazis from doing for us, doing to us.
[46:03.080 --> 46:08.660]  I mean, anybody who supported the Military Commissions Act ain't no better than a Nazi, as far as I'm concerned.
[46:08.660 --> 46:12.260]  And there's some Democrats on that list, too.
[46:14.800 --> 46:19.700]  McCain also says that Christians are more fit...
[46:19.700 --> 46:22.180]  God, I gotta get my imitation of these guys down.
[46:22.380 --> 46:25.580]  I need chewing tobacco in my jaw for him, but...
[46:25.580 --> 46:27.780]  ...are more fit to be President of the United States.
[46:28.320 --> 46:36.200]  Since this nation was founded primarily on Christian principles, I prefer someone who has a solid grounding in my faith.
[46:36.200 --> 46:40.320]  So, does that mean we're all gonna vote for Ron Paul, right?
[46:43.180 --> 46:43.480]  Well...
[46:44.100 --> 46:48.180]  Okay, I don't understand the gaga thing about Ron Paul.
[46:48.360 --> 46:51.040]  He's good on the war, and he's good on drugs.
[46:51.340 --> 46:54.300]  But check out his views on abortion.
[46:55.020 --> 46:57.340]  Check out his views on immigrants.
[46:57.340 --> 47:04.560]  Check out the attacks he made in the 90s on gays, Jews, and especially African Americans...
[47:04.560 --> 47:11.000]  ...claiming the Rodney King riots ended only because, quote, it came time for the blacks to pick up their welfare checks.
[47:12.200 --> 47:12.780]  Yeah!
[47:12.780 --> 47:20.100]  He told Tim Russert last December, you know, the talking onion on Meet the Press, who died recently, that...
[47:20.100 --> 47:24.680]  ...the 64th Civil Rights Act was a violation of property rights.
[47:25.380 --> 47:30.560]  And that Lincoln started the Civil War to get rid of the original intent of the Republic.
[47:31.180 --> 47:35.500]  Although he may be right on that one, it was white slave owners who own...
[47:35.500 --> 47:40.560]  ...wrote the Constitution and said that only white landowners could vote way back when.
[47:41.480 --> 47:46.860]  We've had a breather during the dark days of Bush, because so many other things are going so bad...
[47:46.860 --> 47:51.580]  ...from the so-called culture wars, where every year or two you'd have things like...
[47:51.580 --> 47:57.400]  ...Tipper Gore blaming Judas Priest and Ozzie for teen suicide and juvenile delinquency.
[47:57.720 --> 48:02.500]  Then realizing black faces scare parents even more and going after public enemy.
[48:02.500 --> 48:08.900]  Then Joseph Lieberman, your friend and mine, holding hearings in the Senate on why Marilyn Manson...
[48:08.900 --> 48:10.900]  ...caused the Columbine shootings and all.
[48:11.600 --> 48:16.060]  Well, you know, attacks on our freedom to read, listen, and think.
[48:16.320 --> 48:21.120]  And no matter which one of these clowns becomes president, that is coming back.
[48:22.340 --> 48:30.940]  Obama has said about games and the content as far as taking away the edgier content that he doesn't happen to like...
[48:30.940 --> 48:35.340]  ...if the industry fails to act, then my administration would.
[48:36.000 --> 48:41.880]  While McCain has been a co-sponsor over the years of the Media Marketing and Accountability Act...
[48:41.880 --> 48:47.580]  ...co-sponsor Joseph Lieberman, you know, Al Gore's vice president who's now a little parrot...
[48:47.580 --> 48:50.480]  ...wherever McCain goes, you always see him in the picture and stuff.
[48:50.480 --> 48:58.680]  The Media Marketing and Accountability Act was a one-size-fits-all rating system for movies, DVDs, music, and games...
[48:58.680 --> 49:04.550]  ...much nastier and more explicit and strict than the Tipper Sticker, the Explicit Lyric Paremal Advisory...
[49:05.000 --> 49:10.520]  ...that said that anybody who doesn't use the rating system, their products automatically become illegal.
[49:10.520 --> 49:13.960]  And if you try to sell, you know, in other words, everything I've ever done...
[49:13.960 --> 49:18.960]  ...and if you try to sell something without the mark of the Libra Beast...
[49:18.960 --> 49:25.040]  ...you can be fined by the Federal Trade Commission $11,000 per unit sold per day.
[49:26.760 --> 49:31.540]  Last time that bill came up, it had a third sponsor, Hillary Clinton.
[49:33.560 --> 49:34.600]  Surprise, surprise.
[49:35.700 --> 49:39.600]  But beware of the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
[49:40.120 --> 49:42.400]  Is Obama the anti-Hillary?
[49:43.200 --> 49:47.080]  Judging from his voting record, I'm not even sure that's true.
[49:47.760 --> 49:50.800]  Granted, it would be kind of cool to have somebody in the White House...
[49:50.800 --> 49:56.780]  ...whose first name rhymes with Iraq, whose middle name is Hussein, and his last name rhymes with Osama.
[49:57.120 --> 50:03.900]  And luckily, they're giving us another choice besides two royal dynasties, Bush Incorporated and the Hillbillaries.
[50:05.700 --> 50:11.700]  But, Obama looks all the more attractive as a leader, precisely because he's never actually led.
[50:12.140 --> 50:16.980]  No defining issue or accomplishment except, he's so cool!
[50:17.320 --> 50:18.500]  He's so cool!
[50:18.680 --> 50:20.220]  How can you not dig him?
[50:20.360 --> 50:21.720]  He's like, the audacity of hope!
[50:21.900 --> 50:25.120]  Change we can believe in as long as it isn't too specific!
[50:25.120 --> 50:27.180]  He's so cool!
[50:30.240 --> 50:33.320]  And he is cool when you see him on TV.
[50:33.660 --> 50:38.540]  He's a wonderful speaker, comes across as a cool guy you could actually hang out and talk to.
[50:38.780 --> 50:42.600]  If only that was reflected in his voting record.
[50:43.200 --> 50:46.420]  Obama voted to make the Patriot Act permanent.
[50:47.720 --> 50:57.940]  Obama came out against the war early in 2002, but then when he was in a position of power, he keeps voting money to continue the war, when he finally has the power to cut it off.
[50:58.240 --> 51:03.360]  And watch his language on the war very carefully, he's a very clever lawyer after all.
[51:03.600 --> 51:08.120]  He says that my first act will be to tell the Pentagon to find a way to end the war.
[51:08.120 --> 51:09.920]  Withdraw the troops.
[51:10.140 --> 51:11.460]  To where?
[51:12.440 --> 51:16.140]  Ending the war does not mean taking the troops out.
[51:16.440 --> 51:19.800]  And Obama has also said he doesn't really want to take the troops out.
[51:19.880 --> 51:22.440]  He wants to leave as many as 80,000 of them.
[51:22.600 --> 51:27.520]  And calls for protecting American enclaves like the Green Zone.
[51:28.620 --> 51:29.240]  Yo!
[51:29.560 --> 51:32.220]  The Green Zone belongs to the Iraqis.
[51:32.480 --> 51:34.040]  We stole it!
[51:34.040 --> 51:36.880]  It's at least, what, a third of the size...
[51:38.440 --> 51:41.480]  The Green Zone isn't Obama's.
[51:41.620 --> 51:42.600]  Saddam's palace.
[51:42.820 --> 51:44.720]  The few buildings like they show in the aerial photo.
[51:44.880 --> 51:46.020]  I've seen one of the whole thing.
[51:46.200 --> 51:49.220]  And it's maybe a third the size or more of Manhattan.
[51:49.240 --> 51:52.580]  It's all the downtown real estate and we stole it all.
[51:52.820 --> 51:55.440]  People can't drive to work on all the boulevards anymore.
[51:55.700 --> 51:57.360]  It doesn't belong to us.
[51:57.480 --> 51:59.100]  We need to leave.
[51:59.540 --> 52:07.260]  And surely he's aware that we've put almost 800 million dollars into the largest embassy ever built by a factor of 10.
[52:07.460 --> 52:10.480]  Right along the river in the Green Zone.
[52:10.720 --> 52:13.860]  Although it's a tiny dot on the Green Zone photo.
[52:14.100 --> 52:17.640]  Even though it's, what, the size of 80 football fields.
[52:18.240 --> 52:20.720]  3,000 Americans expected to work there.
[52:21.080 --> 52:23.700]  Wall 20 feet thick around it.
[52:23.820 --> 52:26.820]  Got its own missile system inside.
[52:26.820 --> 52:28.340]  Its own water supply.
[52:28.520 --> 52:29.740]  Its own electricity supply.
[52:29.740 --> 52:31.660]  We never bothered to fix the Iraqis.
[52:31.820 --> 52:33.280]  Just gave money to Bechtel.
[52:33.400 --> 52:34.200]  They didn't fix it.
[52:34.260 --> 52:35.260]  And that was the end of that.
[52:36.260 --> 52:42.560]  And basically, you know, but what does this say to the Iraqis when it's the closest thing to us finishing a project on time?
[52:42.820 --> 52:49.620]  The real goal, and Obama and Hillary and Pelosi know it, is to never, ever leave.
[52:50.580 --> 52:54.720]  I mean, at least Ted Koppel was honest on Charlie Rose a few nights ago.
[52:54.720 --> 52:59.000]  And he said, well, you know, the talking walnut or the clam shell on his head and stuff.
[52:59.180 --> 53:03.420]  But, well, we have to have 50,000 troops somewhere in that area.
[53:03.480 --> 53:05.800]  And we have nowhere else left to go.
[53:08.320 --> 53:09.800]  How about the Iraqis?
[53:09.920 --> 53:14.240]  Even the puppet we put in as the so-called president is telling us to get out now.
[53:14.240 --> 53:38.340]  And many of you know that Obama completely reversed course with a calculated stabbing in the back of every single person in this room where after initially threatening to filibuster the new law legalizing all of the NSA's illegal wiretaps on people and letting the phone companies off the hook for spying on us as well,
[53:38.660 --> 53:53.300]  he turned around and voted yes and gave Bush and Cheney damn near everything they wanted and a lot more than they expected, legalizing the exact same crimes that got Nixon thrown out of office during Watergate.
[53:53.520 --> 54:02.920]  And don't forget, when it was revealed that Bush was doing this, they took a poll, I think it was CNN, and over half the country wanted Bush impeached at that point.
[54:03.100 --> 54:08.280]  But, oh, no, Jerry Blank, Nancy Pelosi, your new impeachment is off the table.
[54:08.560 --> 54:09.720]  Support the troops.
[54:13.270 --> 54:15.170]  In 06, it was a little different.
[54:15.370 --> 54:23.890]  Obama, with all his glow and halo, no more illegal wiretapping of American citizens, no more ignoring the law when it is convenient.
[54:24.230 --> 54:34.990]  No one should get a free pass to violate the basic civil liberties of the American people, not the President of the United States, not the telecom companies that fell in line with warrantless surveillance programs.
[54:34.990 --> 54:40.210]  But now, the NSA can just go after everybody like a vacuum cleaner.
[54:40.390 --> 54:41.830]  But then they have a new problem.
[54:41.950 --> 54:43.170]  They've got so much data.
[54:43.470 --> 54:45.890]  How do you find somebody bad in there?
[54:46.090 --> 54:49.210]  That's why they didn't find the 9-1-1 hijackers ahead of time.
[54:49.290 --> 54:51.050]  It wasn't some bad-ass conspiracy.
[54:51.290 --> 54:52.790]  It was Spinal Tap.
[54:53.110 --> 54:58.210]  And they'd over-spied on people so much, it was like looking for a needle in a football stadium.
[54:58.890 --> 55:00.590]  Now we get more of that.
[55:00.750 --> 55:08.490]  But at least some of the phone companies did their patriotic duty and cut off the FBI's wiretaps when they forgot to pay the phone bill.
[55:11.520 --> 55:20.380]  All right, we had to step in there and stop Jell-O in 2008, speaking to the HOPE conference, because we're almost out of time, and we need to bring in a few more calls.
[55:20.540 --> 55:27.840]  We're within a touching distance of $1,000 for this hour, and we would like to reach that.
[55:27.960 --> 55:29.740]  212-209-2950.
[55:29.920 --> 55:35.020]  You'll get this talk on video, on DVD, plus for others.
[55:35.520 --> 55:39.700]  And you'll hear that, you'll see that if you pledge $50.
[55:39.920 --> 55:42.540]  212-209-2950.
[55:44.220 --> 55:48.380]  It's quite a deal, and we also have other offers as well.
[55:48.380 --> 55:50.680]  We have the special spy camera pen.
[55:50.680 --> 55:57.100]  And imagine how much information you could gather surreptitiously with a pen that records video for a couple of hours.
[55:57.480 --> 56:00.640]  That's yours for a pledge of $75, but only for the next five minutes.
[56:01.380 --> 56:03.320]  And we also have the...
[56:03.320 --> 56:03.700]  Four minutes.
[56:03.920 --> 56:04.940]  Is it four minutes only?
[56:05.080 --> 56:05.240]  Yeah.
[56:05.260 --> 56:05.900]  Time is fleeting.
[56:06.000 --> 56:07.540]  We have two calls on the line right now.
[56:07.920 --> 56:13.340]  Let's get another three or four, and I think we will have done fairly well this hour.
[56:13.760 --> 56:15.300]  212-209-2950.
[56:15.300 --> 56:18.540]  Listening to Jell-O is just the most entertaining thing.
[56:18.540 --> 56:20.080]  Watching him is even more entertaining.
[56:20.660 --> 56:22.540]  And there is just so much you will learn.
[56:22.640 --> 56:23.780]  Yeah, a lot of things have changed.
[56:23.800 --> 56:26.620]  A lot of things are different, but a lot of things remain the same.
[56:27.020 --> 56:33.860]  And I think if you just watch one of these every night or so, you'll become very educated.
[56:33.860 --> 56:37.000]  You'll learn a lot about society and about people.
[56:37.400 --> 56:40.820]  And if you couple that with the Steve Rambam DVDs, wow.
[56:41.000 --> 56:46.380]  You'll be educated on government databases, privacy, ways to protect yourself, things like that.
[56:46.380 --> 56:52.080]  And add the pen into that, and boy, you've got a weapon that certainly can serve you in many instances.
[56:52.280 --> 56:53.460]  212-209-2950.
[56:54.080 --> 56:57.720]  Join the three calls on the line and support the radio station.
[56:57.860 --> 56:58.380]  Keep us going.
[56:58.480 --> 57:00.400]  Keep this kind of programming coming in.
[57:00.520 --> 57:01.420]  Four calls on the line.
[57:01.520 --> 57:04.520]  You know, Emmanuel, they say that the pen, any pen is mightier than the sword.
[57:04.620 --> 57:07.640]  Can you imagine what they would say about a pen that can also record video?
[57:07.780 --> 57:08.740]  I can imagine...
[57:08.740 --> 57:09.380]  Who said that?
[57:09.500 --> 57:11.460]  Who originally said the pen is mightier than the sword?
[57:11.520 --> 57:12.280]  Is that a founding father?
[57:12.460 --> 57:13.200]  I don't know.
[57:13.640 --> 57:14.000]  Aristotle.
[57:14.320 --> 57:15.080]  Someone said that.
[57:15.960 --> 57:16.680]  And Nixon?
[57:16.960 --> 57:17.100]  No.
[57:18.120 --> 57:18.880]  It was Mike.
[57:19.240 --> 57:19.820]  Mike said it.
[57:19.900 --> 57:20.360]  Okay, fine.
[57:20.480 --> 57:21.200]  Mike's quote.
[57:22.080 --> 57:26.640]  But imagine if Mike had known at the time when he said it originally that there was such a thing as a pen with a camera in it.
[57:26.740 --> 57:28.940]  I think the quote would be even different.
[57:29.120 --> 57:29.460]  More different.
[57:29.760 --> 57:31.280]  212-209-2950.
[57:31.280 --> 57:33.040]  You took away all the phone lines.
[57:33.180 --> 57:34.220]  I don't know how many calls there are now.
[57:34.480 --> 57:36.820]  We had like five calls, four calls.
[57:37.220 --> 57:38.060]  Now we have four.
[57:38.200 --> 57:38.280]  Okay.
[57:38.560 --> 57:39.920]  212-209-2950.
[57:40.120 --> 57:40.460]  We're out of time.
[57:40.560 --> 57:41.040]  We gotta get out of here.
[57:41.140 --> 57:43.920]  It's a special two-hour personal computer show coming up.
[57:44.280 --> 57:47.000]  And that's gonna just blow you away.
[57:47.140 --> 57:48.540]  So get ready for that.
[57:48.620 --> 57:56.040]  We'll be back again next week with other material, but I guarantee you we will not have the Steve Rambam DVD set.
[57:56.080 --> 57:57.560]  We will not have the spy camera pen.
[57:57.560 --> 58:07.280]  We will not have the Jell-O Biafra pack, all of which are available to you now if you call in to 212-209-2950 in the next five minutes.
[58:07.420 --> 58:08.740]  212-209-2950.
[58:08.740 --> 58:09.780]  It's a manual for off the hook.
[58:09.940 --> 58:10.700]  Have a good night.
[58:10.800 --> 58:12.020]  Here's a little more Jell-O for you.
[58:13.180 --> 58:17.160]  Efficiency in progress is ours once or more.
[58:17.600 --> 58:21.380]  Now that we have the new Teron bomb.
[58:21.380 --> 58:26.880]  It's nice and quick and clean and yet it's done.
[58:30.000 --> 58:34.080]  Away with the sense and no me.
[58:34.640 --> 58:38.000]  But no less value to property.
[58:38.820 --> 58:44.020]  The sense and warm and perfect sense at home.
[58:49.990 --> 58:52.490]  There's some things down and a brand new day.
[58:52.830 --> 58:54.730]  No more will be taxed to pay.
[58:55.070 --> 58:58.110]  And something's alone's gonna be flashing at night.
[58:59.590 --> 59:01.610]  A godless millions whisk away.
[59:01.930 --> 59:03.950]  A mastery has more room to play.
[59:04.230 --> 59:07.050]  All systems go and kill the fool at night.
[59:08.190 --> 59:09.190]  I won a way.
[59:09.190 --> 59:10.970]  Kill, kill, kill, kill, kill the poor.
[59:11.210 --> 59:13.210]  Kill, kill, kill, kill the poor.
[59:13.510 --> 59:15.390]  Kill, kill, kill, kill, kill, kill the poor.
[59:22.320 --> 59:24.580]  You hear the sparkle throughout your game.
[59:24.900 --> 59:27.000]  You try and expose you for real you again.
[59:27.280 --> 59:30.220]  Life's a reason you may feel it quite.
[59:31.600 --> 59:36.160]  Jane Fonda on the screen today, convince the liberals it's okay.
[59:36.580 --> 59:39.460]  So let's get invested and sway you tonight.
[59:40.200 --> 59:41.180]  A wander away!
[59:41.180 --> 59:45.440]  Kill, kill, kill, kill, kill the poor.
[59:56.570 --> 59:59.310]  Yes, alright.
[59:59.610 --> 01:00:01.530]  The pen is mightier than the sword.
[01:00:01.570 --> 01:00:13.450]  First said, by Edward Buellwer Litton in 1839 from his play, Rick Leo, or The Conspiracy.