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[00:41.760 --> 00:43.000]  That can only mean one thing.
[00:43.380 --> 00:44.680]  It's time for Off the Hook.
[00:52.850 --> 00:54.470]  So I ripped it off the wall.
[00:55.430 --> 00:57.410]  I cut myself while shaving.
[00:58.030 --> 00:59.970]  Now I can't make a cough.
[01:00.770 --> 01:02.790]  We couldn't get much worse.
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[01:08.840 --> 01:10.740]  I hope that's understood.
[01:11.060 --> 01:11.720]  Bum-dilly-bum!
[01:57.080 --> 01:59.020]  And a very good evening to everybody.
[01:59.120 --> 02:00.660]  The program is Off the Hook.
[02:00.860 --> 02:05.700]  Emmanuel Goldstein here with you on this Wednesday evening, joined tonight by Kyle.
[02:06.060 --> 02:07.140]  Hello, hackers.
[02:07.280 --> 02:07.560]  Good evening.
[02:07.560 --> 02:09.500]  Bernie S.?
[02:09.500 --> 02:10.900]  Greetings from Philadelphia.
[02:11.220 --> 02:12.440]  Wow, you sound really good.
[02:12.660 --> 02:13.880]  And Jim's over there in the...
[02:14.540 --> 02:14.820]  Hello.
[02:15.120 --> 02:15.740]  ...in the cheap seats.
[02:17.160 --> 02:20.460]  And you sound great on our new cable line, Bernie.
[02:21.560 --> 02:25.360]  Oh, well, it's the Time Warner voice over IP.
[02:25.600 --> 02:34.020]  Well, hey, it would probably still sound better over a Verizon plain old telephone system line, but this is better than a cell phone.
[02:34.160 --> 02:34.960]  It's better than nothing.
[02:35.140 --> 02:36.560]  So just remember that, folks.
[02:36.960 --> 02:38.900]  Everything you hear is better than nothing.
[02:39.080 --> 02:40.480]  And we like to keep it different, you know?
[02:40.660 --> 02:40.820]  Yeah.
[02:40.860 --> 02:44.200]  And it's good to have variety, and we like that sort of seasonal change with everything.
[02:44.260 --> 02:46.320]  It's like a wine pairing or something.
[02:46.560 --> 02:50.520]  Yeah, or a rainy day in September where the seasons are changing.
[02:50.700 --> 02:50.840]  Yes.
[02:50.840 --> 02:52.300]  And we're seeing that right in front of us.
[02:52.300 --> 02:54.100]  It goes well with Cable VoIP.
[02:54.740 --> 02:55.180]  Yes.
[02:55.520 --> 02:56.740]  My favorite this time of year.
[02:56.760 --> 02:58.040]  Shall we get right into it?
[02:58.740 --> 02:59.180]  Okay.
[02:59.940 --> 03:01.940]  Well, you know, the debate happened on Monday.
[03:01.940 --> 03:05.260]  Some of you may not be aware of it, but I think we all are aware of it.
[03:05.660 --> 03:08.180]  And certain remarks were made.
[03:08.320 --> 03:09.640]  Certain comments were said.
[03:09.860 --> 03:10.300]  Oh.
[03:10.620 --> 03:15.580]  And there was one comment in particular that kind of stuck in my craw.
[03:15.700 --> 03:17.400]  Where is someone's craw?
[03:17.400 --> 03:19.140]  Does anybody know what that is exactly?
[03:19.620 --> 03:20.700]  I can find out.
[03:20.820 --> 03:23.340]  Don't visit Wikipedia again.
[03:23.460 --> 03:23.980]  You've worn out.
[03:24.080 --> 03:24.880]  You're welcome over there.
[03:25.160 --> 03:25.380]  No, no.
[03:25.500 --> 03:26.460]  I have credit there.
[03:27.140 --> 03:28.080]  They're charged.
[03:28.180 --> 03:28.960]  It's half off this week.
[03:29.080 --> 03:29.240]  All right.
[03:29.300 --> 03:44.660]  Well, what happened was a certain candidate, who shall remain nameless, said that perhaps the person hacking various entities in this country was 400 pounds and sitting on a bed.
[03:44.660 --> 03:53.720]  And that's basically offensive things like that, that are not really suited for a presidential candidate to be making.
[03:54.120 --> 04:01.680]  It's just, why say such hurtful and disparaging things about other people?
[04:01.720 --> 04:03.000]  Well, of course, we know why.
[04:03.720 --> 04:04.680]  It's genetic.
[04:04.880 --> 04:05.340]  You can't help it.
[04:05.720 --> 04:10.880]  But, you know, it got a bunch of us thinking that this has gone on long enough.
[04:11.000 --> 04:14.260]  This guy is just telling one tall tale after another.
[04:14.260 --> 04:18.380]  And, you know, I don't want to even get into the other candidates and their faults.
[04:18.500 --> 04:19.820]  And, yeah, everyone has faults.
[04:19.820 --> 04:24.300]  And some people are nasty and not trustworthy and all that.
[04:24.440 --> 04:32.280]  But this in particular is something that we decided, you know, it's time this just stops.
[04:32.640 --> 04:35.290]  And so today we issued...
[04:36.840 --> 04:37.820]  With ease.
[04:38.040 --> 04:38.860]  With ease.
[04:39.080 --> 04:39.340]  Yeah.
[04:39.340 --> 04:40.240]  Yeah, it was not hard.
[04:40.520 --> 04:41.580]  Well, no, it wasn't hard.
[04:42.020 --> 04:42.680]  After that...
[04:42.680 --> 04:43.920]  Yeah, it was kind of unanimous.
[04:44.080 --> 04:46.500]  But we issued a...
[04:46.500 --> 04:47.540]  No, not fatwa.
[04:47.560 --> 04:48.460]  That's not the word I'm looking for.
[04:48.880 --> 04:49.120]  No.
[04:49.500 --> 04:50.140]  Should I not use that word?
[04:50.140 --> 04:50.900]  That was last...
[04:50.900 --> 04:51.540]  That was the other week.
[04:51.700 --> 04:53.680]  Well, a challenge, perhaps?
[04:54.360 --> 04:55.080]  A bounty.
[04:55.480 --> 04:56.180]  A puzzle.
[04:56.180 --> 05:04.280]  We basically said over Twitter that we would give $10,000, $10,000 U.S.
[05:04.380 --> 05:12.720]  dollars to the first person who gets us a first look at Donald Trump's tax return.
[05:12.900 --> 05:14.920]  And boy, the Twitterverse exploded.
[05:15.200 --> 05:15.420]  Wow.
[05:16.240 --> 05:18.480]  We're practically a trending topic now.
[05:18.880 --> 05:20.860]  Everyone wants a piece of this, apparently.
[05:21.180 --> 05:22.800]  And people think it's a great idea.
[05:23.200 --> 05:24.500]  I sound like Trump now.
[05:24.500 --> 05:25.920]  Well, somebody had to step up.
[05:26.020 --> 05:27.000]  I think everybody was waiting.
[05:27.000 --> 05:34.120]  And there wasn't really a definitive action that anybody really wanted to leap at.
[05:34.220 --> 05:34.720]  And we leapt.
[05:34.860 --> 05:35.560]  We grabbed the ring.
[05:35.720 --> 05:36.800]  Well, it got personal.
[05:36.980 --> 05:45.160]  When you start making disparaging remarks about hackers in certain ways, it's not going to be received well.
[05:46.420 --> 05:47.900]  And why refute it?
[05:47.980 --> 05:53.420]  I mean, it's so common for people to go back and try to explain things and try to...
[05:53.420 --> 05:55.740]  No, we don't need to get into any of that.
[05:55.880 --> 05:58.720]  Let's just show what we're going to do.
[05:59.420 --> 06:09.100]  Well, and also, you know, even without the remark, I think, and I think I'm not alone in thinking this, that in some cases, the truth needs to be told.
[06:09.300 --> 06:15.360]  And we've gotten our fair share of criticism already from people saying, oh, my God, you're encouraging people to break the law.
[06:15.360 --> 06:20.840]  Well, you know, the Boston Tea Party would have gotten you locked up.
[06:20.960 --> 06:22.960]  That was probably a felony back then.
[06:23.180 --> 06:30.800]  And all kinds of acts throughout history that were for the betterment of mankind in one way or another were illegal at the time.
[06:30.980 --> 06:36.360]  Now, we're not even saying go and break into a system, go and break the law to get this information.
[06:36.360 --> 06:46.740]  But what we are saying is that sometimes one act might appear to be something that is wrong, but it actually is for the greater good.
[06:46.800 --> 06:49.240]  And it turns out it's a courageous act.
[06:49.380 --> 06:55.660]  And damn it, people have the right to know just what they might be getting themselves into.
[06:55.960 --> 07:00.740]  And not revealing that information, I think, is by far the bigger crime.
[07:00.740 --> 07:05.980]  But, you know, it's also entirely possible to get this information without breaking any law.
[07:06.120 --> 07:06.520]  How?
[07:06.720 --> 07:10.020]  Well, first of all, Trump himself can release that information.
[07:10.280 --> 07:12.240]  And it's an easy 10 grand right there.
[07:12.340 --> 07:13.140]  Give it to us.
[07:13.260 --> 07:14.480]  You got 10 grand from us.
[07:14.580 --> 07:15.340]  He's money grubbing.
[07:15.400 --> 07:16.700]  He'll go for that, right?
[07:16.860 --> 07:19.320]  Any of Trump's kids, they probably have access to this information.
[07:19.520 --> 07:22.600]  It's a good chunk of change you probably won't get from your dad anytime soon.
[07:22.700 --> 07:23.780]  Yeah, you don't have to tell him about it either.
[07:23.900 --> 07:24.660]  You don't have to.
[07:24.840 --> 07:25.740]  We'll protect that.
[07:25.740 --> 07:30.800]  We will take that information to the grave, which may come a lot sooner than we were anticipating.
[07:31.480 --> 07:31.960]  Speak for you.
[07:32.020 --> 07:36.040]  Yeah, well, the thing is, as journalists, we do protect our sources.
[07:36.040 --> 07:36.840]  We have in the past.
[07:36.960 --> 07:37.680]  We will in the future.
[07:38.360 --> 07:39.280]  Oh, that's for real.
[07:39.400 --> 07:41.120]  And we even gave out our PGP key.
[07:41.460 --> 07:45.420]  So we're as serious as you can get about this.
[07:47.260 --> 07:49.800]  But there are all kinds of methods.
[07:50.820 --> 07:57.640]  It's basically about leaked information that is pertinent and something that the American people have a right to know.
[07:57.740 --> 08:03.160]  But we need to get the information before November 8th, obviously, for this to have any bearing whatsoever.
[08:03.360 --> 08:04.320]  Bernie, what do you think about all this?
[08:04.740 --> 08:07.300]  I think it's a great prize.
[08:08.060 --> 08:10.200]  The tax return would be the best prize.
[08:10.200 --> 08:19.740]  But I, like you, had a good laugh when I heard Donald Trump say during the presidential debate the other night, they were talking about cybersecurity.
[08:19.740 --> 08:22.020]  The question from the moderator was about cybersecurity.
[08:22.280 --> 08:26.200]  Yeah, and, you know, Bernie, we've been run through the ringer with this campaign cycle.
[08:26.320 --> 08:31.300]  I mean, hackers have been brought up more in this political run-up than we have ever seen.
[08:31.780 --> 08:32.940]  Yeah, well...
[08:32.940 --> 08:33.400]  It's true.
[08:33.600 --> 08:33.900]  It's true.
[08:34.620 --> 08:35.520]  Everybody knows it.
[08:35.680 --> 08:36.380]  Everybody knows it.
[08:37.060 --> 08:37.600]  Why not?
[08:38.240 --> 08:53.480]  Hillary was, you know, criticizing Donald Trump, the other candidate, for inviting the Russians to hack into the DNC, hack into the, get Hillary's emails.
[08:53.860 --> 09:00.580]  But Trump said he didn't think, quote, anybody knows it was Russia that broke into the DNC's computers.
[09:00.580 --> 09:03.640]  And he said, quote, it could be Russia, but it could also be China.
[09:03.680 --> 09:05.200]  It could be lots of other people.
[09:05.200 --> 09:08.580]  It could also be somebody sitting on their bed that weighs 400 pounds.
[09:09.860 --> 09:10.820]  That was funny.
[09:11.100 --> 09:18.100]  But it pleases, of course, to the stereotype of somebody who'd be sitting on their bed with a laptop would weigh 400 pounds.
[09:18.700 --> 09:20.060]  Well, it wasn't that funny, though.
[09:20.200 --> 09:23.820]  I mean, you know, if you're doing a comedy routine, and maybe that's your punchline somehow, okay.
[09:23.940 --> 09:25.560]  But this is a guy running for president.
[09:25.700 --> 09:34.600]  To have to say things like that and to disparage people for one reason or another, you know, if he had said this, it could be a 12-year-old kid.
[09:34.600 --> 09:40.500]  Okay, you know, that at least is saying, wow, kids are really bright, like, you know, he said about his young son.
[09:40.500 --> 09:43.880]  But he didn't mean this in a complimentary way.
[09:44.000 --> 09:45.580]  He meant it to tear people down.
[09:45.700 --> 09:47.340]  And he's so good at tearing people down.
[09:47.540 --> 09:51.660]  Thing is, people have to stop believing his opinion means anything at all.
[09:52.300 --> 10:02.280]  And that kind of deflecting is exactly the kind of attitude the Russians have had, that posture, even today with the MH17 report.
[10:02.720 --> 10:06.100]  Same kind of deflecting and questioning.
[10:06.100 --> 10:07.600]  And, well, it might not be true.
[10:07.600 --> 10:08.700]  It could be over here.
[10:08.840 --> 10:09.760]  It could be over there.
[10:09.760 --> 10:10.740]  Who knows really?
[10:11.040 --> 10:12.600]  I mean, gosh, it's so confusing.
[10:12.780 --> 10:13.420]  All right, all right, all right.
[10:13.420 --> 10:13.880]  We get it.
[10:14.000 --> 10:14.260]  Yeah, yeah.
[10:14.500 --> 10:16.020]  This could go on all day.
[10:17.100 --> 10:19.360]  Well, so that's where we are right now.
[10:19.360 --> 10:20.720]  So we have issued this challenge.
[10:20.900 --> 10:21.480]  We'll see what happens.
[10:21.660 --> 10:23.800]  We will continue to report on it.
[10:24.460 --> 10:36.520]  And as we mentioned on Twitter, we will pay $10,000 to the first person who gets us the tax return that Donald Trump is not willing to release.
[10:37.260 --> 10:43.500]  The first person who gets that to us before it gets anywhere else, and it's got to be before November 8th.
[10:43.580 --> 10:45.140]  You know, it's a lot of... it's a tall order.
[10:45.340 --> 10:48.560]  And it's not going to be that easy unless you already have it.
[10:48.560 --> 10:52.460]  You know, unless you already have access to it, and then it's just a question of it being leaked.
[10:52.980 --> 11:00.240]  We're not encouraging people to do anything illegal, but sometimes laws are broken, as I said, for the greater good.
[11:00.620 --> 11:01.860]  It's something to keep in mind.
[11:01.880 --> 11:04.240]  But we definitely don't want anybody to take risks.
[11:04.260 --> 11:08.200]  So if you don't know what you're doing, don't do anything stupid.
[11:08.440 --> 11:09.900]  That goes without saying.
[11:10.060 --> 11:12.480]  I don't think I should have to say it, but I am saying it.
[11:12.480 --> 11:20.400]  But this is journalistic and investigative work that I think a lot of people, they've really pushed for.
[11:20.620 --> 11:29.740]  And I think sometimes you have to appeal to what is possible outside of those official channels and so on.
[11:29.740 --> 11:43.280]  So if there's any possibility that someone forgot, they maybe have a copy of it, and it's under their hustlers or wherever, under some other reading material, or buried away in a trunk, by all means.
[11:43.400 --> 11:44.060]  Now's the time.
[11:44.260 --> 11:45.240]  Timing is critical.
[11:45.340 --> 11:45.580]  Please.
[11:45.580 --> 11:53.200]  Maybe you work in an accountant's office, and lo and behold, you have a famous client and a trashed file someplace that you can recover.
[11:53.340 --> 11:53.900]  Who knows?
[11:53.900 --> 11:54.520]  I don't know.
[11:55.200 --> 11:57.420]  It's possibly in a dumpster someplace.
[11:57.780 --> 12:00.380]  We just wouldn't want it to go forgotten in time.
[12:00.520 --> 12:02.180]  It would be a terrible loss.
[12:02.460 --> 12:04.340]  And for God's sake, we have to do something.
[12:05.520 --> 12:05.940]  All right.
[12:06.000 --> 12:06.960]  And as I said...
[12:06.960 --> 12:09.100]  Oh, I didn't say this, so I'm trying to say this.
[12:10.180 --> 12:12.040]  It's an amount payable in U.S.
[12:12.120 --> 12:14.320]  dollars, Bitcoin, or rubles.
[12:15.060 --> 12:15.400]  Yes.
[12:16.240 --> 12:17.260]  Rubles are not a problem.
[12:17.420 --> 12:18.920]  We'll get to rubles somehow.
[12:19.240 --> 12:19.880]  No, we've got lots.
[12:19.980 --> 12:22.820]  I don't know how we're going to get the 10 grand, but we'll do that, too, if we have to.
[12:22.820 --> 12:24.100]  It'll be worth it.
[12:24.640 --> 12:25.600]  I'll sell something.
[12:25.600 --> 12:26.400]  I'll put up my own rubles.
[12:26.640 --> 12:26.940]  Yeah.
[12:27.240 --> 12:28.260]  I've got some rubles lying around.
[12:28.400 --> 12:29.220]  I've got a lot of rubles.
[12:29.480 --> 12:35.360]  Very quickly, because we have a special guest coming on in a moment, and we have some fun things to do this hour.
[12:36.860 --> 12:46.740]  Speaking of the debate, there was a bit of a kerfuffle at Hofstra University where unbelievable price gouging was taking place.
[12:47.160 --> 12:47.520]  Yes.
[12:48.000 --> 12:49.180]  You heard about this, right?
[12:49.180 --> 12:49.580]  I did.
[12:49.800 --> 12:56.180]  This was really, really pretty awful, and it made me think of some of the events we've done.
[12:56.360 --> 12:57.340]  Hope comes to mind.
[12:57.560 --> 13:16.120]  I mean, if this kind of precedent is set in direct contradiction of the previous precedent that we reported on on this very program, talking about Marriott sending out packets to disconnect people from their own personal Wi-Fi.
[13:16.820 --> 13:19.960]  Unless they used the Wi-Fi that the venue provides.
[13:20.140 --> 13:26.780]  They were running a hostile network and preventing people from using alternate sources.
[13:27.040 --> 13:40.180]  So it is now coming up that now they told people, and they were a lot more gentle at Hofstra, but it was definitely the same idea that you have these places, events, venues.
[13:41.100 --> 13:46.280]  They have infrastructure, a certain amount of infrastructure, and then a big event like this comes to turn.
[13:46.380 --> 13:51.220]  They need, obviously, a lot, because there's going to be a lot of people there, reporters and so on and so forth.
[13:51.920 --> 13:55.740]  That then looks to the institution like it's a money-making thing.
[13:56.860 --> 13:57.380]  Go on.
[13:57.480 --> 14:01.060]  I mean, it's really fascinating, because this is just a chip at that ruling.
[14:01.580 --> 14:02.840]  I mean, there's not much to say.
[14:02.840 --> 14:09.700]  Basically, they were charging $200 for a secure wireless internet connection, basically to connect to a network, $200.
[14:10.220 --> 14:11.540]  And it didn't stop there.
[14:11.620 --> 14:13.320]  $150 to rent a lamp.
[14:13.520 --> 14:14.540]  Yes, that was quoted.
[14:14.720 --> 14:15.800]  I mean, this is a university.
[14:15.980 --> 14:18.320]  They should treat people a little bit better than that.
[14:18.320 --> 14:20.140]  And I'm kind of shocked that they would do that.
[14:20.280 --> 14:21.660]  I don't think they should get another debate.
[14:21.700 --> 14:23.100]  I think they should move it someplace else.
[14:23.220 --> 14:25.140]  Maybe another university out east.
[14:25.320 --> 14:30.820]  And I think this flies in the face of the spirit of an information society.
[14:31.400 --> 14:36.460]  This, I mean, I get that they have paid to create whatever kind of infrastructure they have, but come on.
[14:36.600 --> 14:38.020]  You're having all these people here.
[14:38.200 --> 14:40.800]  Why would you even want to risk press like that?
[14:40.940 --> 14:45.020]  You should just open it all up and say, look, come debate.
[14:45.420 --> 14:46.040]  Have discussion.
[14:46.260 --> 14:47.320]  Here's some information.
[14:47.480 --> 14:51.520]  Here's a resource to do your reporting, to do all of that.
[14:51.640 --> 14:53.200]  We're not going to charge this weekend.
[14:53.220 --> 14:55.380]  That would be a much better spirit, I think.
[14:55.480 --> 14:59.140]  Yeah, and the spirit of a university and free thinking and education and all that.
[14:59.140 --> 15:02.880]  Yeah, yeah, and debate and discussion and getting the message out.
[15:03.180 --> 15:18.800]  Would you want to be known as the money-grubbing institution, I've said money-grubbing twice tonight, that charged everybody to do reporting on these things, or the institution that set up a venue to have this discussion thrive?
[15:20.060 --> 15:20.700]  Yes.
[15:21.260 --> 15:28.420]  Well, so tonight's episode of Shame on You is dedicated to Hofstra University, and they should refund the money and apologize.
[15:28.420 --> 15:29.020]  They should.
[15:29.220 --> 15:29.800]  Do you agree, Bernie?
[15:31.940 --> 15:32.340]  Absolutely.
[15:33.200 --> 15:34.220]  Give the money back.
[15:35.000 --> 15:36.800]  Okay, well, that's all we want.
[15:37.020 --> 15:38.140]  Yeah, and I just...
[15:38.660 --> 15:43.120]  So we run our own network, and we bring in infrastructure, and we have a great relationship with the venue.
[15:43.180 --> 15:59.420]  And I would really hate for the spirit of working with people that are visitors, you're bringing in a lot of business for an exhibition center or something like that, to have to confront that as an organizer.
[15:59.420 --> 16:05.020]  I know we're going to be talking about an event tonight that probably also has to negotiate some of these things.
[16:05.200 --> 16:17.520]  And for venues to not accommodate and not share the spirit of what needs to get done, but rather just add on more things that they can basically fleece people through, I think is really...
[16:17.520 --> 16:22.440]  It's terrible, and it's something that we'll work around to... also to the grave.
[16:22.580 --> 16:26.560]  Well, yeah, it's also something that simply can't be allowed to be president.
[16:26.560 --> 16:31.140]  If this goes unremarked, if we weren't talking about this right now, tonight, this would become normal.
[16:31.140 --> 16:36.860]  And you'd see it in all venues, you'd see it at debates, you'd see it at gatherings of all sorts.
[16:36.900 --> 16:37.060]  Yes.
[16:37.200 --> 16:39.560]  There's a real danger in remaining silent about something like this.
[16:39.660 --> 16:43.960]  So when you see this kind of fleecing going on, speak up and prevent it from becoming the norm.
[16:44.160 --> 16:44.220]  Yeah.
[16:44.280 --> 16:49.600]  And the distinction here is that they were talking to people directly and encouraging people not to use it.
[16:49.720 --> 16:58.620]  There was not a malicious software or network-based strategy to mitigate people using their own resources.
[16:58.620 --> 17:02.620]  So that's the distinction here between the ruling that we looked at before.
[17:02.680 --> 17:06.440]  You could get thrown out if you were caught using an unauthorized network.
[17:06.580 --> 17:06.720]  Yeah.
[17:06.900 --> 17:20.320]  And in the Register article that I was reading, it talked about some device that they were walking around with, sort of a frequency counter device or something that just basically shows all the public... the SSIDs that are advertising in an area.
[17:20.380 --> 17:28.440]  So they were basically finding people and approaching people saying, this is our policy, we'd like to ask you to do this, and they are reserving the right to throw people out.
[17:28.620 --> 17:29.620]  That's pretty crappy.
[17:30.000 --> 17:31.060]  Like, that's really bad.
[17:31.440 --> 17:32.260]  Don't do that.
[17:32.420 --> 17:38.640]  What if Hillary Clinton had brought her own device with her that was connecting to an independent network?
[17:38.840 --> 17:39.780]  Would they have thrown her out?
[17:40.220 --> 17:40.720]  It doesn't...
[17:40.720 --> 17:41.480]  Why would everyone...
[17:41.480 --> 17:43.700]  You wouldn't have to broadcast the SSID.
[17:43.960 --> 17:44.580]  It could be...
[17:44.580 --> 17:45.240]  That's true.
[17:45.540 --> 17:46.640]  You could hide it.
[17:46.680 --> 17:47.640]  No, that's very true, Bernie.
[17:47.700 --> 17:48.380]  You're absolutely right.
[17:48.540 --> 17:59.620]  But you can't take what is, in many parts of the world, becoming a human resource, have an event, and say, you can't use this particular human resource.
[17:59.800 --> 18:01.080]  I can't even draw a parallel.
[18:01.200 --> 18:05.180]  Like, if there was a radio convention, and you told a bunch of broadcasters they couldn't talk.
[18:05.340 --> 18:05.640]  I don't know.
[18:05.760 --> 18:06.760]  What do you...
[18:06.760 --> 18:08.940]  I don't know how that...
[18:09.480 --> 18:10.000]  You're right.
[18:10.020 --> 18:13.160]  They have no jurisdiction over the RF spectrum and the use of it.
[18:13.240 --> 18:19.240]  However, they can put whatever they want in a contract that vendors or participants sign to get in.
[18:19.240 --> 18:23.920]  But if you didn't sign anything to come in, I don't think they can throw you out.
[18:24.340 --> 18:25.880]  And therein lies the danger, Bernie.
[18:26.760 --> 18:27.160]  It's...
[18:27.160 --> 18:30.140]  That becomes normal in those kind of contractual negotiations.
[18:30.280 --> 18:31.060]  It's going to be a lot...
[18:31.060 --> 18:32.340]  Met with a lot of resistance from our community.
[18:32.340 --> 18:44.520]  The thing is, it's a privilege to be able to host something like this, and that should have been enough, instead of trying to price gouge everybody and just taint the whole thing, which was a wonderful event otherwise.
[18:44.520 --> 18:49.260]  And operate like you're just dealing with a bunch of indebted students, you know, back to school.
[18:49.380 --> 18:50.400]  All right, let's rip them off.
[18:50.480 --> 18:50.920]  Get it going.
[18:51.120 --> 18:51.800]  I mean, come on.
[18:52.060 --> 18:54.560]  Yeah, I guess they're in that mode, and they just applied it to the general public.
[18:54.560 --> 18:56.100]  They're like, oh, this is like a big meal card, right?
[18:56.180 --> 18:56.380]  Okay.
[18:57.080 --> 18:57.300]  All right.
[18:57.360 --> 19:02.720]  Speaking of the electromagnetic spectrum, there was an event today that was rather historic.
[19:02.720 --> 19:04.920]  In fact, it hasn't happened for five years.
[19:05.660 --> 19:08.060]  Bernie, perhaps you'd like to share with the folks what happened?
[19:08.660 --> 19:09.160]  Oh, yeah.
[19:09.160 --> 19:17.340]  Yeah, FEMA, the Federal Emergency Management Agency, conducted a Nationwide Emergency Alert System Test, or EAS.
[19:17.860 --> 19:36.760]  And this is a system that allows the President of the United States or some other very high-ranking federal official to Washington or wherever, I guess you could do it from anywhere, announce something that will go out over all radio and TV stations, including cable TV channels,
[19:36.960 --> 19:40.600]  even satellite channels, it's supposed to work there.
[19:40.660 --> 19:42.000]  That's what the test is supposed to be.
[19:42.140 --> 19:47.520]  This is supposed to be like the ultimate warning message from on high.
[19:48.000 --> 19:50.200]  And it happened today at 2.20 p.m.
[19:50.680 --> 19:51.560]  Eastern Daylight Time.
[19:51.680 --> 19:54.580]  Did you get a chance to listen to any stations playing it?
[19:54.700 --> 19:55.540]  Yes, actually.
[19:55.540 --> 20:01.300]  I saw a couple of these on the television, and it was from a...
[20:01.300 --> 20:06.740]  It said, I think, a primary source or primary outlet.
[20:06.760 --> 20:07.580]  I don't know what it was.
[20:07.680 --> 20:09.320]  It was some kind of distinction.
[20:09.320 --> 20:16.000]  But as you said, it comes from sort of a central authority, a primary authority of sorts that then distributes the message.
[20:16.000 --> 20:18.460]  And it went off over several different channels.
[20:18.620 --> 20:19.800]  We did notice a couple of things.
[20:19.920 --> 20:29.980]  I was looking at it with you, E, and it seems like everybody has a different EAS box, and then they get to select a couple of default colors and a couple of basic settings.
[20:29.980 --> 20:31.780]  I think they get to pick their color.
[20:31.920 --> 20:32.960]  They get to pick their font.
[20:33.080 --> 20:36.360]  They get to pick, actually, the message that is stated there.
[20:36.900 --> 20:40.140]  But they play a recording, and I think the recording was the same for everybody.
[20:40.260 --> 20:41.800]  But that's what makes it kind of interesting.
[20:41.920 --> 20:44.120]  First of all, Channel 13 here in New York, they completely failed.
[20:44.180 --> 20:48.420]  They just had, like, a second of something, a little bit of a tone, and then nothing.
[20:49.680 --> 20:53.860]  And most of the other stations, I didn't see every station, but they seemed to pretty much get it.
[20:54.080 --> 20:56.200]  Some stations didn't turn their audio down.
[20:56.200 --> 21:03.200]  So you heard two voices, you heard a commercial, and then you heard some guy saying, this is an EAS test, a nationwide EAS test.
[21:04.460 --> 21:12.480]  Another message said, this is an emergency alert system test for the following counties, United States, which I thought was pretty funny.
[21:12.700 --> 21:18.380]  But the thing that really got me was I was watching one of the Spanish channels, and that went across fine.
[21:18.480 --> 21:22.260]  Everything was correct, except it wasn't in Spanish.
[21:22.260 --> 21:23.100]  It was in English.
[21:23.140 --> 21:28.560]  And I have to wonder, if there is some kind of an emergency, is it going to be an English-only emergency?
[21:28.740 --> 21:29.880]  Have they not planned for this?
[21:30.120 --> 21:30.640]  That's silly.
[21:30.860 --> 21:40.300]  The answer, Emmanuel, the answer to your question is it's distributed in both English and Spanish, and the individual stations get to choose which language it is.
[21:40.360 --> 21:42.620]  But those are the only two languages it's distributed in.
[21:42.800 --> 21:49.020]  But why on earth would a Spanish station not choose Spanish to broadcast an emergency alert system test?
[21:49.020 --> 21:50.880]  This is what a good test is for.
[21:51.020 --> 21:54.240]  It's to find out if this works right and if you screwed up.
[21:54.420 --> 22:00.320]  Obviously, the people running the Spanish stations screwed up by playing the English message instead of the Spanish message.
[22:00.340 --> 22:02.020]  I noticed a mistake here in Philadelphia.
[22:02.280 --> 22:02.500]  Wow.
[22:03.140 --> 22:07.640]  An LP-FM, Willpower FM station that I'm involved with as a volunteer.
[22:08.040 --> 22:08.560]  I would...
[22:08.560 --> 22:09.400]  Someone there screwed...
[22:09.400 --> 22:10.160]  Someone there screwed...
[22:10.160 --> 22:11.880]  WPPM, LP.
[22:12.420 --> 22:13.100]  They screwed up.
[22:13.200 --> 22:22.360]  They broadcast the tones, but after the tones, instead of the audio of the warning message, which you're supposed to get from another radio station's signal, you know, that's how they're supposed to work.
[22:22.480 --> 22:24.400]  It's supposed to be a hand-me-down thing from a different station.
[22:25.000 --> 22:26.780]  Instead of that, it wasn't tuned properly.
[22:26.780 --> 22:31.060]  So all I was hearing is like FM radio background noise after the alert tones.
[22:31.500 --> 22:39.260]  And then after about a minute of, you know, just like a badly tuned radio kind of noise, then the N-tones came on.
[22:39.400 --> 22:44.740]  And like, so obviously they need to tune their EAS receiver to the nearest station to get the audio.
[22:45.100 --> 22:46.040]  This is how we learn.
[22:46.220 --> 22:54.860]  I would venture to say the Spanish-speaking station you were talking about, E, probably may have been owned... had a parent company that was maybe not Spanish.
[22:54.860 --> 22:55.700]  It was Univision.
[22:55.920 --> 22:56.060]  Okay.
[22:56.220 --> 22:56.440]  I don't know.
[22:56.440 --> 22:58.180]  Local Univision affiliate, I think, Channel 41.
[22:58.620 --> 22:58.800]  Okay.
[22:59.180 --> 23:09.540]  And then my second theory would be perhaps the engineering people are not native Spanish speakers and didn't even consider what you were saying is quite obvious.
[23:09.660 --> 23:10.180]  Quite possible.
[23:10.340 --> 23:12.360]  To most people, why wouldn't you not do that?
[23:12.360 --> 23:14.260]  Now, I didn't monitor radio at all.
[23:14.440 --> 23:17.360]  I can't receive BAI where I am, unfortunately.
[23:17.480 --> 23:19.220]  So I wasn't able to tell how we did.
[23:19.400 --> 23:23.080]  But maybe people listening in the area, they can report back to us and tell us how.
[23:23.260 --> 23:27.740]  The thing is, if an EAS alert went out right now, we wouldn't know about it.
[23:27.880 --> 23:31.480]  And that's one of the major failings, I think, of this system.
[23:32.540 --> 23:36.020]  Because most radio stations broadcast in delay all the time.
[23:36.160 --> 23:38.500]  So you're not actually listening to the air signal.
[23:38.640 --> 23:41.020]  And EAS only goes out over the air.
[23:41.020 --> 23:42.180]  It doesn't go on the stream.
[23:42.520 --> 23:46.580]  If you're listening to a radio station on TuneIn or something, you probably won't hear it.
[23:47.280 --> 23:52.300]  But if you're listening to the actual FM or AM signal, then you will hear it.
[23:52.340 --> 23:54.040]  But the person behind the microphone, i.e.
[23:54.040 --> 23:55.800]  us, we don't hear that.
[23:55.800 --> 24:00.060]  So we could be just talking away while there's some kind of commotion going on.
[24:00.060 --> 24:03.900]  And while the listeners might know about it, ironically enough, we don't.
[24:04.380 --> 24:09.540]  Well, maybe in the future station, we'll have a better ability to monitor what's going on over air.
[24:09.720 --> 24:10.320]  It's not the station.
[24:10.320 --> 24:11.740]  But we can't because we're in delay all the time.
[24:11.780 --> 24:12.780]  Yeah, that's the thing.
[24:12.780 --> 24:12.940]  That wouldn't work either.
[24:13.180 --> 24:14.500]  Bernie, do you have any solution for that?
[24:15.180 --> 24:17.580]  Well, there's supposed to be EAS equipment at...
[24:17.580 --> 24:23.120]  In fact, I know there is at the transmitter site at the 81st floor of the Empire State Building.
[24:23.120 --> 24:29.780]  So, you know, it receives a signal, and then it gets the audio from another radio station through an FM receiver.
[24:30.200 --> 24:35.960]  And then it rebroadcasts it only with special tones for your area.
[24:36.780 --> 24:40.120]  So, you know, it's not something you're going to notice in the studio.
[24:40.520 --> 24:52.160]  Yeah, but don't you think the person who's broadcasting should be aware of all the craziness that's going on outside instead of just talking to a microphone while something else is going out over the radio?
[24:52.160 --> 24:58.920]  It just seems like that's a system that's implemented nationwide that could be done a little bit better.
[24:59.060 --> 25:05.100]  A lot of... most radio stations, I think, are broadcasting a delayed signal so you're not actually listening to the air signal.
[25:06.060 --> 25:08.420]  Well, there can be a visual alert.
[25:08.580 --> 25:14.340]  You can have a sign that lights up in your studio saying, EAS test happening.
[25:14.520 --> 25:15.440]  That would be nice, yeah.
[25:15.700 --> 25:21.760]  We have a sign that says the microphone is on, so maybe a sign saying, hey, Donald Trump just launched a nuke or something.
[25:22.200 --> 25:22.900]  I don't know.
[25:23.580 --> 25:25.400]  Hey, we have to move on.
[25:25.480 --> 25:27.160]  We have a lot to talk about tonight, a lot to do.
[25:27.340 --> 25:33.760]  And this weekend coming up, once again, believe it or not, the time has really, really flown, it's Maker Faire.
[25:33.880 --> 25:41.280]  It's World Maker Faire again taking place at the old stomping grounds near the World Fair in Queens.
[25:42.180 --> 25:45.160]  Sherry Huss, the coordinator, is joining us again on the phone.
[25:45.260 --> 25:45.760]  Sherry, welcome.
[25:46.880 --> 25:47.460]  Great, thank you.
[25:47.600 --> 25:48.120]  Good to be here.
[25:48.120 --> 25:49.200]  I can't believe...
[25:49.200 --> 25:50.640]  How many is this now?
[25:51.860 --> 25:54.620]  This is our seventh Maker Faire in New York.
[25:54.740 --> 25:54.920]  Wow.
[25:55.300 --> 25:55.560]  Which is great.
[25:55.920 --> 26:04.140]  And, you know, probably even the better news is it's one of 200 Maker Faires around the world this year, which is actually even better news.
[26:04.280 --> 26:05.980]  It sounds like you said 200.
[26:06.060 --> 26:07.040]  That can't be right.
[26:07.680 --> 26:08.780]  I did say 200.
[26:09.120 --> 26:12.020]  We don't produce them all, but we have a producer's network.
[26:12.020 --> 26:15.760]  And actually, this weekend alone, there are 10 Maker Faires.
[26:16.000 --> 26:22.140]  In addition to World Maker Faire in New York, there is a Maker Faire in Berlin, which is great.
[26:22.720 --> 26:23.920]  There's one in Austria.
[26:24.020 --> 26:25.140]  There's one in Taiwan.
[26:25.500 --> 26:26.560]  There's one in San Diego.
[26:27.000 --> 26:29.420]  The wonderful thing is we've created a playbook.
[26:29.620 --> 26:34.020]  We've activated the community, and we've kind of enlisted producers.
[26:34.400 --> 26:37.960]  And the great thing is that they're taking making out into their community, and that's pretty cool.
[26:37.960 --> 26:45.720]  So, for the people that maybe have never heard of this before, and they're getting fewer and fewer every year, what is a Maker Faire?
[26:45.860 --> 26:46.520]  What is it all about?
[26:47.260 --> 26:54.320]  You know, I think Maker Faire at its core, it's this newfangled county fair that pulls together people, and people bring their projects.
[26:54.600 --> 26:58.620]  They, you know, it's community coming together, and it's sharing.
[26:58.920 --> 27:12.580]  And whether it's electronics, or food, or crafting, or drones, or Maker Health, which is a new area for us this year, it's people that like to create and make, that come and share and get other people inspired to do so.
[27:12.720 --> 27:13.680]  It's a fair.
[27:13.900 --> 27:15.440]  It's an annual occurrence.
[27:15.940 --> 27:19.720]  It's incredible to me just how it's grown, how big it's gotten.
[27:20.640 --> 27:23.600]  What's the average attendance at the World Maker Faire?
[27:24.040 --> 27:29.100]  You know, at the World Maker Faire, we're just shy, we're a little shy of about 100,000, which is great.
[27:29.100 --> 27:36.460]  Our four biggest fairs are Bay Area, which is about 150,000, 160,000 over three days.
[27:37.120 --> 27:40.100]  Maker Faire Rome, which is in two weekends.
[27:40.560 --> 27:44.580]  And that's definitely over 150,000.
[27:44.840 --> 27:45.120]  Wow.
[27:45.260 --> 27:46.660]  And then Maker Faire Shenzhen.
[27:47.160 --> 27:52.000]  So Rome, Bay Area, New York, and Shenzhen are the four largest Maker Faires.
[27:52.140 --> 27:54.960]  And I don't even know where Shenzhen is.
[27:55.100 --> 27:56.840]  I know it's in China, but I don't know where in China.
[27:56.840 --> 27:57.340]  It's in China.
[27:57.640 --> 28:00.520]  I was kind of right over by the water.
[28:00.640 --> 28:05.760]  Oh, you know, I was at Maker Faire Shenzhen last year and they had, it was a free event.
[28:06.280 --> 28:09.760]  So that actually helped in kind of like a downtown area.
[28:09.920 --> 28:11.620]  And Shenzhen is really surreal.
[28:12.180 --> 28:13.780]  It's a city that's new.
[28:13.920 --> 28:18.520]  And so there's, you know, like each day you come out of your hotel and it's like, wow, there's a whole new skyscraper there.
[28:18.680 --> 28:22.720]  But it was definitely, it was almost close to 200,000 people.
[28:22.760 --> 28:23.540]  It's a city that's new.
[28:23.680 --> 28:26.020]  That city didn't exist a bunch of years ago.
[28:26.020 --> 28:27.860]  Well, it used to be an old fishing community.
[28:28.000 --> 28:29.580]  It's across the bay from Hong Kong.
[28:29.720 --> 28:38.280]  But what's happened is, like, I've never been in a city, like, there's definitely not a city like in the U.S., maybe Vegas where all the buildings are new and tall skyscrapers.
[28:38.320 --> 28:38.720]  I see.
[28:38.980 --> 28:50.440]  Like, I can't, it's hard to get your mind around it, but it's a very interesting and very important city for folks that are manufacturing or, you know, taking products out or prototyping.
[28:50.440 --> 28:53.640]  So, a lot of that, that's kind of the nucleus there.
[28:54.100 --> 28:54.560]  Well, okay.
[28:54.820 --> 28:59.460]  So, rather than Shenzhen, we should probably be talking about the one coming up here.
[28:59.640 --> 29:00.260]  New York, exactly.
[29:00.420 --> 29:00.700]  Yes.
[29:00.920 --> 29:09.020]  If you had to say something unique about the New York Maker Faire, the World Maker Faire, what do you think that would be?
[29:10.020 --> 29:12.100]  You know, I think there's a few things this year.
[29:12.960 --> 29:17.520]  There's a whole new area in kind of like new fabrication.
[29:17.920 --> 29:21.800]  And I think Kickstarter is going to actually have a really interesting piece.
[29:22.680 --> 29:29.640]  They've pulled together some of their, some of their new, they're calling it kind of like the Kickstarter Future Fab Lab.
[29:29.900 --> 29:32.960]  And they'll have a really interesting showing of makers.
[29:33.240 --> 29:40.680]  There's a company called Wazer that has a desktop water jet that cuts through like different materials from, you know, titanium to carbon fiber.
[29:40.680 --> 29:43.600]  And I think it's fairly inexpensive for a water jet.
[29:44.700 --> 29:45.840]  And that's happening.
[29:46.060 --> 29:51.140]  They have, you know, like other machines, like a laser cutter and engraver and a whole host.
[29:51.520 --> 29:57.120]  So kind of seeing how that, like kind of the new age or the next generation of desktop fabrication, which is great.
[29:57.560 --> 30:03.560]  We have a whole area on maker health, which I'm pretty excited about, and bioengineering.
[30:03.720 --> 30:06.180]  And a couple of folks are spearheading this area.
[30:06.400 --> 30:09.440]  We'll have sessions as well as we'll have exhibits.
[30:09.440 --> 30:15.000]  So Jose Gomez Marquez, kind of from the maker health labs, will be there.
[30:15.220 --> 30:19.360]  His group was involved in maker nurses and getting maker spaces in hospitals.
[30:19.780 --> 30:22.480]  And then we have some biohacking and bioengineering.
[30:22.840 --> 30:29.180]  And actually, a woman helped us, Crystal Gordon, out of Washington, D.C., actually helped us.
[30:29.320 --> 30:31.420]  She's got making in the kind of the DIY bio frontier.
[30:31.420 --> 30:33.420]  So I'm excited about that.
[30:33.640 --> 30:35.200]  We have some making for good.
[30:35.400 --> 30:49.660]  And everything from, you know, kind of like a global perspective of people like Enable and folks that are using technology to take them into kind of developing areas, as well as even something like making for good here in New York in the Bronx.
[30:49.940 --> 30:56.440]  A gentleman by the name of Stephen Ritz has something called the Green Bronx Machine, which I have to tell you, I'm so amazed.
[30:56.440 --> 30:58.460]  I met him at Maker Faire in Washington, D.C.
[30:58.640 --> 31:01.200]  And he's getting kids in kind of a...
[31:01.200 --> 31:06.080]  not a great neighborhood to start thinking about life and the world through food.
[31:06.240 --> 31:08.180]  So growing it, watching it.
[31:08.260 --> 31:10.440]  He's got hydropodic farms and gardens.
[31:10.440 --> 31:13.980]  And I think even more incredible as he's figured out that...
[31:14.700 --> 31:15.860]  actually, he can...
[31:15.860 --> 31:20.920]  how to actually take the parents' food stamps and buy healthy food and vegetables.
[31:21.120 --> 31:23.260]  And he said, you know, he can actually get...
[31:23.260 --> 31:29.740]  by kids giving them good food, they can start thinking and act and being better and more participatory as they grow up.
[31:29.840 --> 31:30.840]  So that's pretty cool.
[31:31.280 --> 31:31.700]  Wow.
[31:32.040 --> 31:39.640]  We've got some maker ingenuity things like Lee's Lothop, who's the creator of MacGyver, is actually going to be there.
[31:39.740 --> 31:42.300]  And he's got to talk a little bit about MacGyver secrets.
[31:42.860 --> 31:53.520]  We have actually Grant Imahara from Mythbusters, the old Mythbusters, who's going to be there on Sunday, kind of talking to us, just like Adam Savage who's been talking to the folks.
[31:53.720 --> 31:56.140]  Adam always gives a Sunday sermon in the Bay Area.
[31:56.140 --> 32:01.120]  It's kind of great to see Grant here, 11 o'clock on Sunday, talking to our audience as well.
[32:03.000 --> 32:04.620]  NYU ITP, another favorite.
[32:04.780 --> 32:15.340]  Tom Igoe and folks, I don't know if you're tracking what those guys are doing, but he's got his students there and they've got kind of a whole group of ITP experiments that will be up on the upper balcony of the Great Hall.
[32:15.340 --> 32:21.320]  So, in addition, Tom founded, like, with the Arduino team, so Massimo will be here.
[32:22.080 --> 32:27.100]  Tom's part of that team and he's got kind of a book on kind of the Arduino projects and making things talk.
[32:27.740 --> 32:36.880]  And education, which has actually been really kind of core of what we're doing and why I'm so excited about Maker Faire, just getting kind of kids inspired from a young age.
[32:36.880 --> 32:42.520]  And so, we have a Make Education forum on Friday trying to get makerspaces into schools.
[32:42.820 --> 32:45.240]  And then throughout the weekend, we have a whole host of things.
[32:45.460 --> 32:47.100]  So, and I could go on and on.
[32:47.240 --> 32:51.780]  I mean, we still have things like, you know, again, you probably shouldn't tell me to stop, but...
[32:51.780 --> 32:52.620]  No, no, please.
[32:52.780 --> 32:58.680]  You know, our Biobus, Sam Radio folks, Raspberry Pi folks, all that's going to be there.
[32:58.880 --> 33:00.660]  Hands-on, still really important to us.
[33:00.840 --> 33:04.180]  So, learning to solder, Google's a sponsor of that.
[33:04.500 --> 33:10.040]  In addition to that, Google's bringing some new projects and different things out of their labs and sharing it, which is great.
[33:10.420 --> 33:16.520]  And I'm most excited, we actually have a new sponsor called Burns-O-Matic, which is like, how great is that?
[33:16.660 --> 33:18.320]  That is like a perfect maker sponsor.
[33:18.800 --> 33:21.000]  So, they're going to be there with Burns-O-Matic torches.
[33:21.180 --> 33:26.100]  So, everything from food to crafting to soldering, I'm pretty excited about that one.
[33:26.280 --> 33:27.080]  Brand new for us.
[33:28.040 --> 33:28.420]  Intel.
[33:28.800 --> 33:31.480]  And Intel announced and they launched a Juul board.
[33:31.760 --> 33:33.340]  So, they'll be talking about that.
[33:33.500 --> 33:36.520]  But they also bring with them some pretty interesting makers.
[33:36.740 --> 33:41.600]  And I kind of have really appreciated Intel's spirit over the years that they've...
[33:41.600 --> 33:51.400]  Not only, they'll be bringing kind of the DJ community with Bud Rumble and DJ Kiebert and a few other folks because they're kind of getting kids interested in electronics through music, which is great.
[33:51.900 --> 33:53.180]  Yeah, we know...
[33:53.180 --> 33:55.360]  There's a lot of hacker musicians in the community.
[33:55.540 --> 33:56.880]  It's been really exploding.
[33:58.000 --> 33:58.480]  Yeah.
[33:58.720 --> 34:02.440]  And I have to say, like, this is just a side note, but the spirit of...
[34:02.440 --> 34:05.420]  And again, I would never consider myself being in kind of that DJ community.
[34:05.980 --> 34:08.960]  Just, again, I'm not sure why, but I have to say, I so love them.
[34:09.100 --> 34:10.040]  I love their spirit.
[34:11.320 --> 34:15.320]  They approach community the same way that makers do and they fit in so wonderfully.
[34:15.320 --> 34:16.480]  It's just, like, amazing.
[34:16.620 --> 34:17.040]  It's just...
[34:17.040 --> 34:17.460]  It's beautiful.
[34:17.700 --> 34:25.780]  And even in a few of them that I've met, they actually take and teach science and engineering and computer science and that to kids in schools.
[34:26.260 --> 34:27.580]  So, their spirit's right there.
[34:27.900 --> 34:28.460]  I think it's really great.
[34:28.460 --> 34:29.440]  That's really cool to hear.
[34:29.720 --> 34:30.020]  Wow.
[34:31.600 --> 34:36.160]  Sherry, I'm a little concerned because all these things you're listing, is there enough space?
[34:36.300 --> 34:36.600]  I know.
[34:37.080 --> 34:37.860]  Is there enough space?
[34:38.120 --> 34:38.260]  Oh, space.
[34:39.040 --> 34:40.280]  Yeah, I think we're good with space.
[34:40.460 --> 34:41.180]  I mean, we could all...
[34:41.180 --> 34:41.760]  I mean, we could...
[34:41.760 --> 34:44.320]  I mean, like, again, maker spirit, we can expand and contract.
[34:44.780 --> 34:48.720]  I thought you were going to say you're concerned about the weather, which I'm concerned, too.
[34:49.140 --> 34:49.720]  Trust me.
[34:49.900 --> 34:50.920]  I'm going to every...
[34:50.920 --> 34:51.900]  Well, we're watching closely.
[34:52.180 --> 34:58.280]  Yeah, this is the first one, I believe, that's been held in October, but it's only the first two days of October, so it could have easily been September.
[34:58.280 --> 35:07.280]  But, yeah, the weather forecast does say there's a chance of rain, but, you know, rain is not an issue for people that are into creating and playing with technology.
[35:07.460 --> 35:12.180]  First of all, there's a lot of indoor activities, but I don't think rain is going to keep people away.
[35:12.240 --> 35:16.960]  And if you're thinking of staying away because of rain, big mistake, because a lot of things will be going on.
[35:17.080 --> 35:17.540]  I agree with you.
[35:17.800 --> 35:20.060]  I agree with you, and I've been watching the weather every day.
[35:20.220 --> 35:22.560]  Our team is like, and again, you know, the maker spirit.
[35:23.220 --> 35:30.600]  We do a dinner for the makers on Friday night with Gerard, who's our paella guy, and I've seen people standing in rain a few years ago for that.
[35:30.940 --> 35:32.380]  But I think it's like what people tell me.
[35:32.460 --> 35:33.360]  It's like it's New York weather.
[35:33.560 --> 35:34.940]  It's going to, like, it kind of comes through.
[35:35.280 --> 35:38.940]  And I've been watching the weather, and again, we're a rain or shine event.
[35:38.940 --> 35:39.680]  We're prepared.
[35:39.680 --> 35:41.300]  We have a lot of big tents.
[35:41.840 --> 35:44.820]  I think, again, that's cool.
[35:45.100 --> 35:46.280]  Folks, remember Woodstock.
[35:46.440 --> 35:49.120]  It poured at Woodstock, and everybody remembers Woodstock.
[35:49.300 --> 35:51.560]  So, yeah, it's one of the best events of your life.
[35:51.780 --> 35:55.960]  So, I think rain could add to it if it does rain, and there's no guarantee it will.
[35:56.360 --> 36:01.840]  Yes, and there's probably some young hackers out there geoengineering to make sure that their weekend won't be ruined by rain.
[36:02.120 --> 36:02.840]  we can control the weather.
[36:03.060 --> 36:04.000]  Yeah, we'll just control it.
[36:04.060 --> 36:09.180]  But no, we're planning, we're bringing some extra galoshes and ponchos ourselves.
[36:09.340 --> 36:12.840]  So, it's just important to be prepared for the eventuality of that.
[36:13.200 --> 36:15.420]  Sherry, tell us something about the drone zone.
[36:15.560 --> 36:16.340]  I'm curious about that.
[36:16.960 --> 36:18.120]  Yeah, the drone zone.
[36:18.280 --> 36:23.580]  So, last year, and actually in the Bay Area, it started, the guys started out as a game of drones.
[36:24.260 --> 36:30.060]  They then have turned into Aerial Sports League, which is kind of creating leagues around the area.
[36:30.220 --> 36:36.340]  Mark Kornblatt, who's an old-time maker, was actually at the first maker fair with us with Sparky, a telepresence robot.
[36:37.320 --> 36:44.840]  Then his other claim to fame was he had Waterboy, which the folks from OK Go performed in at one maker fair in the Bay Area.
[36:44.840 --> 36:50.800]  and these guys, Mark and Douglas and team, are now kind of drone world and they're going to be doing drone racing.
[36:51.160 --> 36:58.360]  So, we have an over 200-foot drone racing caged-in area.
[36:59.440 --> 37:04.580]  There are no free-flying of drones in New York state parks and city parks, which we know.
[37:04.880 --> 37:07.900]  But these folks are the best that I've seen out there.
[37:08.100 --> 37:18.040]  They're very into kind of this kind of racing and they'll be putting on a great show as well as bringing in pilots from kind of around the region and area.
[37:18.320 --> 37:20.520]  So, drones will have a big drone area.
[37:20.820 --> 37:31.680]  And there's also, I'm not sure how it's going to play out yet, but Radio Shack is back and they're going to have a build your own drone area, which will have a free-fly cage for folks to fly their drones in as well.
[37:31.920 --> 37:34.240]  So, drones will be actually quite good.
[37:35.220 --> 37:38.180]  It's good to get a chance to see that.
[37:38.180 --> 37:41.920]  I'd encourage people to see the agility in some of that.
[37:42.020 --> 37:50.780]  aerobatic and speed because you get the sense of the capabilities of these things a lot more than just maybe your casual experience with a drone.
[37:50.940 --> 37:55.000]  Maybe one person just sort of hovering and maybe taking some pictures with it.
[37:55.380 --> 38:07.280]  This is some serious agility and skill that you'll be able to see live in this sort of netted, kind of like something you'd have for a driving range, a big course in a net with hoops and things to maneuver through.
[38:07.460 --> 38:09.500]  And these things are fast and they can flip.
[38:09.620 --> 38:10.800]  It's amazing stuff.
[38:10.800 --> 38:11.280]  Yeah.
[38:11.940 --> 38:12.420]  Exactly.
[38:12.720 --> 38:24.600]  And I will say, if for some reason that you can't make it out, which hopefully that's not the case, but we've partnered with Twitch TV, so twitch.tv slash make, and we'll have a whole series of highlights.
[38:25.420 --> 38:33.640]  Caleb Craft, who you may know as one of our editors, will be interviewing a lot of makers and actually going to different presentations and kind of walking around.
[38:33.880 --> 38:37.920]  So there'll definitely be coverage of drones and they'll have a whole schedule posted on our website.
[38:37.920 --> 38:41.380]  And the 2600 van will make it rain or shine.
[38:41.660 --> 38:42.080]  Absolutely.
[38:42.200 --> 38:42.820]  I love it.
[38:43.600 --> 38:48.400]  We might be taking shelter in it, but we'll be outside and we'll be participating fully.
[38:48.860 --> 38:50.040]  And it's going to be amazing.
[38:50.440 --> 38:53.300]  There's also the Coke and Mentos show, I believe, every day?
[38:53.980 --> 38:54.420]  Absolutely.
[38:54.720 --> 38:55.520]  And you know what?
[38:55.540 --> 38:56.680]  We're taking that out into the park.
[38:56.840 --> 38:58.740]  So last year we took it out to the Unisphere.
[38:58.820 --> 39:09.120]  So the closing show on Saturday and Sunday, 545 to 6-ish, will be in front of the Unisphere in Flushing Meadows Corona Park.
[39:09.380 --> 39:09.640]  Wow.
[39:09.860 --> 39:15.880]  So Stephen and Fritz will definitely be there and we have a commemorative poster that will actually have them on the front in front of the Unisphere.
[39:16.200 --> 39:17.080]  It's actually pretty cool.
[39:17.320 --> 39:18.660]  And then that's fairly easy to get to.
[39:18.800 --> 39:22.420]  You have to cross a bridge to get over to that side of the facility?
[39:22.640 --> 39:22.700]  Okay.
[39:22.940 --> 39:24.180]  Yeah, it's actually right over there.
[39:24.340 --> 39:30.700]  If you've never seen the Unisphere, Dale has always encouraged us from day one, how can we hack the Unisphere?
[39:30.920 --> 39:36.880]  So this is us getting closer to it to try to figure out how can we hack the Unisphere, which is quite impressive.
[39:37.240 --> 39:37.300]  Definitely.
[39:37.620 --> 39:43.420]  And you see this all the time if you drive in the Grand Central Parkway, so this is your chance to actually hang out and see what a magical place it is.
[39:43.520 --> 39:44.520]  It really is amazing.
[39:44.840 --> 39:49.160]  There's so much land, so much space to play around in.
[39:49.980 --> 39:51.600]  And do we have directions?
[39:52.000 --> 39:53.160]  You can take number seven train.
[39:53.520 --> 39:54.320]  I don't know the stop.
[39:54.500 --> 39:58.160]  Yeah, seven train, and I'm glad you brought that up because we do have a little...
[39:58.160 --> 40:02.340]  This year has been a year of parking for both the Bay Area and in New York.
[40:03.360 --> 40:17.120]  Unfortunately, our parking, which had always been at the Mets City Field, is now taken up by a concert, which is I think a Live Nation Founders Entertainment concert called The Meadows with Kanye over the weekend.
[40:17.340 --> 40:20.900]  So it's caused a bit of a wrinkle.
[40:21.000 --> 40:36.060]  We're hoping that this will not happen in the future because it's actually making it a little bit inconvenient for us, but we, again, in true maker spirit, we're going around and working with the parks, working with the city, and getting parking spaces around there.
[40:36.200 --> 40:45.940]  However, we say, if you can take public transportation, or we've got some deals with Uber, or we'll have a bike valet if you can ride your bike, we've got options.
[40:46.200 --> 40:50.840]  And so getting to Maker Faire is best if you come without a car, especially this year.
[40:50.980 --> 40:54.460]  And if you do come with a car, do you have any recommendations on where people should head?
[40:54.740 --> 40:55.040]  Yeah.
[40:55.040 --> 41:10.480]  I would say, first of all, you should go to, we actually have a whole parking channel, go to our website, Maker Faire, and that's fair with an E, M-A-K-E-R-F-A-I-R-E.com, and check getting to Maker Faire, and those will be the best recommendations.
[41:11.040 --> 41:30.580]  So they've been, the team is updating them tonight, and we have, if kind of staying out of the congested area, we've got Queens College, which is like a three or four-minute, or three or four-mile distance from Maker Faire, Nisai, might be like a 15-minute,
[41:30.620 --> 41:35.440]  we have shuttles, we run shuttles from there, and then we've got some closer spaces in the park.
[41:35.860 --> 41:46.340]  And so I would say check the website, but honestly, if you can figure out, take the 7 train or the Long Island Railroad, that's probably the best way to get to Maker Faire.
[41:46.440 --> 41:51.580]  Yeah, in past years, I know the 7 train hasn't been operating properly, but this year it is operating properly, so...
[41:51.580 --> 42:01.620]  Well, this year, you know, that's, I guess, the most positive thing from the concert is that all the city folks are engaged, and the 7 train will be running, up and running.
[42:02.280 --> 42:03.640]  Here's a possibility, though.
[42:03.800 --> 42:06.240]  Is it possible the concert might get rained out?
[42:07.780 --> 42:08.500]  I don't know.
[42:08.840 --> 42:12.320]  The concert, hard to say, you know, it's hard for me to say.
[42:12.500 --> 42:13.980]  I mean, I think...
[42:13.980 --> 42:17.220]  Concert goers aren't as hardy as makers, you know that.
[42:17.900 --> 42:19.740]  That's true, that's true, good point.
[42:20.120 --> 42:22.120]  Well, we'll keep our fingers crossed on this.
[42:22.160 --> 42:31.800]  I'm hoping that rain will not be an issue, but anyway, we will be there, rain or shine, and we've been setting up and it's looking great.
[42:32.240 --> 42:38.140]  Well, now, this is the part where our listeners can win some tickets to Maker Faire.
[42:38.260 --> 42:42.280]  We have a few pairs and we have a phone number for you to call.
[42:42.460 --> 42:43.460]  Now, here's what's going to happen.
[42:44.180 --> 42:47.860]  Please, please play attention because this is only going to be said once.
[42:48.620 --> 42:57.420]  If you call the number that we're about to give out and speak to the operator who picks up, we will be giving away four pairs of tickets.
[42:58.140 --> 42:59.500]  You pick a day...
[42:59.500 --> 43:01.120]  Well, you don't have to pick the day right away.
[43:01.120 --> 43:03.480]  You can pick the day when you show up, I believe.
[43:05.120 --> 43:15.360]  And it's a ticket for two people, so you can bring somebody and basically pick Saturday, pick Sunday, and come to Maker Faire.
[43:15.620 --> 43:16.160]  All right?
[43:16.240 --> 43:17.880]  I think that pretty much covers it, right?
[43:17.940 --> 43:18.500]  That's how...
[43:19.380 --> 43:26.260]  The number to call, and we're going to pick four people, so keep calling until we announce on the radio that we have all four people.
[43:26.820 --> 43:34.680]  The number is 331-223-WBAI, 331-223-9224.
[43:35.380 --> 43:40.240]  We'll have four pairs of tickets to Maker Faire this weekend coming up.
[43:40.340 --> 43:43.760]  You can decide to show up on Saturday, you can decide to show up on Sunday.
[43:43.920 --> 43:46.820]  You can't split it over two days with one each.
[43:46.820 --> 43:47.880]  I don't think it works that way.
[43:48.820 --> 43:50.580]  But pick a day and...
[43:50.580 --> 43:51.520]  Actually, you can.
[43:51.700 --> 43:52.260]  Can you do that?
[43:52.380 --> 43:52.680]  Oh, okay.
[43:52.780 --> 43:53.920]  I did not know that.
[43:54.580 --> 44:01.220]  And with those two tickets, if you don't have any friends that you want to bring with you, then you can come both days.
[44:01.400 --> 44:04.940]  But, you know, I really suggest that you bring somebody, especially kids.
[44:05.180 --> 44:07.340]  My God, kids love Maker Faire.
[44:07.720 --> 44:17.100]  And, you know, that's the first thing that really struck me, the first Maker Faire that I went to was how enthusiastic, how bright these kids are, and that's just, that's the future.
[44:17.100 --> 44:22.320]  If you're in an organization where there are no young people, you're not doing something right.
[44:22.500 --> 44:28.320]  And Maker Faire has got a preponderance of that, and it's the most incredible and inspirational thing.
[44:29.360 --> 44:30.020]  Yeah, I agree.
[44:30.180 --> 44:35.040]  And, you know, we give away thousands of tickets, and I'm still trying to find folks right to us.
[44:35.140 --> 44:38.800]  There's a school in the Bronx, an engineering school that have 400 kids.
[44:38.940 --> 44:39.780]  I mean, I'm going to get them in.
[44:40.220 --> 44:44.080]  Like, they're going to come, and I've talked to their teacher, but that's a great way, too.
[44:44.180 --> 44:47.620]  I'm looking for, like, even if sponsors want to help underwrite kids in the future.
[44:48.500 --> 44:49.600]  Because I agree with you.
[44:49.700 --> 45:03.800]  These kids are our future, and honestly, when they learn to solder, when they see something, that's the brilliance of Maker Faire, because it's helping them expand their brain and expand their mind and being open to new things, and that's great.
[45:04.120 --> 45:08.380]  Yeah, and, you know, I wish I wish I had something like this when I was growing up.
[45:08.480 --> 45:10.200]  I mean, I might have gone down a better path.
[45:11.660 --> 45:14.540]  Again, that number, 331-223-9224.
[45:14.540 --> 45:15.260]  Actually, Kyle, come back.
[45:15.360 --> 45:15.540]  in here.
[45:15.680 --> 45:18.740]  Tell us how the contest is going so far.
[45:18.820 --> 45:20.740]  Phone is working properly?
[45:21.340 --> 45:27.880]  Yeah, everything seems to be operating just fine, and we had a first winner there.
[45:28.060 --> 45:31.000]  Any questions that we couldn't answer on the air?
[45:31.440 --> 45:31.840]  No.
[45:32.080 --> 45:34.380]  Okay, basically what we're going to do is we're going to ask for your email address.
[45:34.500 --> 45:44.540]  You have to have an email address, because what we're going to do is email you a code later on, and then that code will allow you to get your tickets.
[45:44.720 --> 45:48.180]  Yeah, just give us a day or two and we'll sort it out, but feel free.
[45:48.400 --> 45:49.200]  Probably tonight, maybe tomorrow.
[45:49.360 --> 45:53.700]  Yeah, yeah, we'll make sure you know as soon as we finish the contest.
[45:53.960 --> 45:57.040]  So please call and you'll get your chance to attend Maker Faire.
[45:57.260 --> 45:58.880]  Yeah, and it's awesome.
[45:59.100 --> 46:02.900]  It's almost life-changing if you've never been to one before, I would say.
[46:02.900 --> 46:05.640]  3-3-1-2-2-3-9-2-2-4.
[46:06.060 --> 46:08.020]  So we have three sets of tickets left.
[46:08.540 --> 46:11.460]  It is truly, for us, a really...
[46:11.460 --> 46:11.960]  Find my...
[46:11.960 --> 46:12.280]  Oh, sorry.
[46:12.520 --> 46:12.660]  Go ahead.
[46:12.660 --> 46:33.200]  It's an inspiring thing for us, and really, especially this time of year, people go back to work, we have the politics, there's a lot of sort of drudgery and routineity to everything at this time, but when we go to Maker Faire, that freedom to create and the myriad of possibility with all the tools and resources that we have really does come to light,
[46:33.220 --> 46:46.400]  and you see the spirit of accomplishment and knowing that you can make things, you can change the world in your local, immediate world and the world, the greater world around you.
[46:46.440 --> 46:51.260]  It's such a powerful thing, and I really encourage anyone unfamiliar with this event to check it out.
[46:51.400 --> 46:52.560]  It will really blow your mind.
[46:52.960 --> 46:55.460]  3-3-1-2-2-3-9-2-2-4.
[46:56.160 --> 46:57.180]  Operators are standing by.
[46:57.340 --> 47:05.380]  In fact, Kyle, you should be standing by when that phone rings, and hopefully the forwarding is working properly, because usually we get a ton of calls, and I'm not sure.
[47:05.660 --> 47:07.660]  We're doing it in a different way this year.
[47:07.860 --> 47:09.760]  So 3-3-1-2-2-3-9-2-2-4.
[47:10.440 --> 47:22.540]  Unless we say that it's closed, it's still open, so you have a chance to win and to get a couple of tickets to this weekend's Maker Faire taking place in Queens and the Hall of Science.
[47:22.820 --> 47:25.560]  Do you want to tell us, Sherry, about some of the things that are going on inside?
[47:26.760 --> 47:27.820]  Yeah, inside out.
[47:27.920 --> 47:28.960]  It's actually wonderful inside.
[47:28.960 --> 47:31.240]  We have a lot of the electronics, as you can imagine.
[47:31.740 --> 47:37.120]  There's an area, the Viscuzi Gallery that's upstairs will have a lot of low-light electronics.
[47:37.580 --> 47:47.280]  We actually have Bose there with kind of teaching kids about something called Bose Build, so speakers, so kids can start getting hands-on with electronics, which is pretty cool.
[47:47.540 --> 47:57.020]  We have a gentleman by the name of Bruce Shapiro who has something called Sisyphus, which will be in the lobby, and Bruce is kind of a science museum exhibit creator, so that's pretty wonderful, too.
[47:57.540 --> 48:09.800]  And what I was also going to say is, as well, try to find, I mean, see Dale, Dale Doherty, who's our founder, and actually he's releasing a book called Free to Make, and it's like how the maker movement is changing our schools, our jobs, and our minds.
[48:11.060 --> 48:14.840]  And, you know, find him and get a copy, maybe an autographed copy for you.
[48:14.940 --> 48:19.960]  And last year, one of the some women that had won tickets on your show came up and found me and said thank you.
[48:20.120 --> 48:25.800]  And again, if you're there, it's a really, it's a friendly, it's an engaging community and be part of it.
[48:25.980 --> 48:30.600]  And again, I love what you guys are doing, and thanks for giving me an opportunity to be on the show.
[48:30.800 --> 48:40.640]  Well, you guys really give us a shot in the arm as well, because, you know, mentioning things like that, you know, with a hundred thousand people there, yet you still have that folksiness, that way of connecting with people.
[48:40.800 --> 48:43.040]  We meet so many of our listeners over there.
[48:43.120 --> 48:44.140]  It's unbelievable.
[48:44.620 --> 48:50.180]  And so many of our listeners come back every year after having been introduced to it, and I think that's just amazing, too.
[48:50.700 --> 48:51.540]  So it's contagious.
[48:51.540 --> 48:52.800]  It's kind of what it's all about.
[48:53.260 --> 48:53.460]  Yeah.
[48:53.620 --> 48:54.560]  Are they all like that?
[48:54.640 --> 48:58.300]  I've only been to the one here and a mini one out on Long Island.
[48:59.260 --> 49:10.560]  Yeah, you know, they're all, I have to say, the one thing that when we started this, we had no idea how well it would translate, and I think that that's kind of a testament to kind of human nature and our human behavior and spirit, if you will.
[49:10.800 --> 49:19.320]  You know, so they all, of course, I haven't been to all of them, but I do get to go to, I don't know, several a year, and Dale gets more of the obscure ones.
[49:19.460 --> 49:22.960]  He's been to Istanbul and, you know, Tokyo.
[49:23.120 --> 49:24.580]  I've been to Paris and Rome.
[49:24.760 --> 49:31.420]  I mean, it's amazing how much making translates, and that's just, you know, a wonderful part about humanity.
[49:31.720 --> 49:33.780]  So that's the positive and optimistic.
[49:34.000 --> 49:36.480]  Yeah, it seems to transcend any kind of cultural barrier.
[49:36.880 --> 49:37.100]  Absolutely.
[49:37.100 --> 49:42.920]  People seem to be curious everywhere, and kids want to learn everywhere, and I think that's what's so inspirational.
[49:43.420 --> 49:44.600]  Bernie, are you still there?
[49:44.600 --> 49:44.980]  That's what we need.
[49:46.200 --> 49:47.400]  Yes, I'm still here.
[49:47.400 --> 49:48.500]  Do you have any thoughts?
[49:50.060 --> 49:51.640]  I just like Maker Faire.
[49:51.840 --> 50:00.340]  I've been there several times, and it's a lot of fun, and Sarah, thank you for doing all this work and for offering some tickets to some of our listeners.
[50:01.220 --> 50:03.980]  I look forward to seeing some of you folks there on Saturday.
[50:04.420 --> 50:08.780]  So, if everything lines up right, I'll be there at the 2600 van.
[50:09.140 --> 50:11.720]  Are there any Maker Faire's in Philadelphia?
[50:14.680 --> 50:15.320]  I believe...
[50:15.320 --> 50:16.140]  Let's see, Philadelphia...
[50:16.140 --> 50:17.440]  Now, there's Pittsburgh.
[50:17.540 --> 50:22.880]  I think there might be a smaller one in Philadelphia, a mini one, but there's a wonderful one in Pittsburgh, I'll tell you that.
[50:23.160 --> 50:23.960]  Okay, all right.
[50:24.040 --> 50:25.540]  Well, I think Philadelphia deserves one.
[50:25.700 --> 50:25.780]  Yeah.
[50:26.140 --> 50:27.840]  Maybe, Bernie, you can help with that.
[50:28.540 --> 50:30.220]  There isn't one...
[50:30.220 --> 50:33.600]  There's not one in Philly that I know, but I know people that come up to this one...
[50:33.600 --> 50:35.240]  I mean, it's only a couple hours away.
[50:35.860 --> 50:38.420]  So, I think it's too close.
[50:38.500 --> 50:46.880]  Pittsburgh is, you know, far enough away where, you know, people in Pittsburgh are not likely to come to Manhattan or to New York or to Queens, rather.
[50:47.500 --> 50:50.760]  But Philly, it's just a church.
[50:51.160 --> 50:51.300]  Yeah.
[50:51.880 --> 50:52.220]  Yeah.
[50:52.420 --> 50:53.980]  And easy to get to with mass transit.
[50:54.380 --> 50:55.680]  We lost Bernie somehow.
[50:55.880 --> 50:56.820]  He just clicked off.
[50:57.380 --> 50:58.040]  No, no, no.
[50:58.080 --> 50:59.300]  The other thing I was going to say is...
[50:59.300 --> 50:59.400]  Go ahead.
[50:59.640 --> 51:00.440]  We do...
[51:00.440 --> 51:02.500]  Oh, sorry to interrupt you, Emmanuel, but we do a...
[51:02.500 --> 51:04.920]  We have a schoolmaker fair program that's free.
[51:05.280 --> 51:05.860]  You sign up.
[51:06.400 --> 51:09.700]  So, just like there's science fairs in schools, there can be maker fairs.
[51:09.780 --> 51:16.840]  So, if you go to our maker fair site and it's like in kind of the global fairs area, like take it to your schools.
[51:17.140 --> 51:17.800]  It's free.
[51:17.960 --> 51:20.940]  It's like playbooks and materials and inspiration for teachers.
[51:21.300 --> 51:23.480]  And the wonderful thing is like we're a science fair.
[51:23.640 --> 51:24.980]  There's like first, second, third place.
[51:25.600 --> 51:26.860]  All makers are winners.
[51:27.340 --> 51:30.180]  So, it's kind of a wonderful thing to be introducing there, too.
[51:31.140 --> 51:31.580]  Absolutely.
[51:31.960 --> 51:32.200]  Wow.
[51:34.360 --> 51:43.980]  So, this has become an annual tradition here in New York and new ones are starting all the time.
[51:44.640 --> 51:45.880]  Where do you see it going?
[51:46.180 --> 51:52.100]  Are these kids going to be launching things into space in the decades ahead and doing all kinds of amazing things?
[51:52.100 --> 51:53.640]  So, I hope so.
[51:53.720 --> 51:54.600]  You know, it's interesting.
[51:54.780 --> 52:02.220]  This is our starting our second decade and we've started to see kids now that are actually that, you know, they were little kids.
[52:02.480 --> 52:07.680]  So, like, you know, 12, 13 when we met them and now they're 22 and they're going off and doing cool things.
[52:07.900 --> 52:08.580]  So, that's great.
[52:08.960 --> 52:15.840]  And another actually thing is Barnes & Noble has come on board and they share the same goals we do in tech literacy with schools.
[52:16.240 --> 52:21.960]  They're doing a mini maker fair in all 660 of their stores over the first weekend in November.
[52:22.540 --> 52:25.780]  And what I like about that is the communities where we can't go to.
[52:26.140 --> 52:31.140]  This is kind of great where the local makers actually have a place that they can go and showcase.
[52:31.300 --> 52:34.300]  It's obviously not on the same scale as this, but it doesn't matter.
[52:34.840 --> 52:36.580]  You know, Barnes & Noble stores are free.
[52:36.840 --> 52:38.180]  We want people to read.
[52:38.320 --> 52:39.580]  We want people to get hands-on.
[52:39.580 --> 52:42.880]  So, I love that they're approaching that and have that spirit, too.
[52:43.380 --> 52:44.860]  That's the first weekend in November.
[52:45.080 --> 52:47.640]  I just want to tell people we have given all the tickets away.
[52:47.840 --> 52:49.740]  Thank you, Kyle, for your hard work on that.
[52:51.180 --> 52:53.860]  Thanks for everybody who called and look out for those emails.
[52:54.140 --> 52:54.380]  Yes.
[52:54.940 --> 52:56.280]  This might be Bernie coming back.
[52:56.600 --> 52:57.280]  Let's just see if it's...
[52:57.280 --> 52:58.360]  Bernie, is that you?
[53:00.320 --> 53:00.680]  Bernie?
[53:02.140 --> 53:02.500]  Okay.
[53:02.700 --> 53:03.720]  Now, there's something wrong with this phone.
[53:03.840 --> 53:04.180]  I don't know what it is.
[53:04.180 --> 53:06.340]  No, another way to come is volunteering.
[53:06.640 --> 53:07.980]  We have a program called Travelers.
[53:08.160 --> 53:11.400]  And honestly, our staff and crew are the best people out there.
[53:11.520 --> 53:12.500]  They care about this, too.
[53:12.640 --> 53:17.900]  And you could, you know, spend a few hours, earn a ticket, get to meet new people, walk around, see behind the scenes.
[53:17.900 --> 53:19.920]  It's not a bad way to get to Maker Faire.
[53:20.260 --> 53:21.280]  Those are great ways.
[53:21.280 --> 53:21.840]  And that's on our website, too.
[53:21.980 --> 53:23.880]  You really do meet a lot of people when you volunteer.
[53:23.880 --> 53:24.780]  You get involved.
[53:24.960 --> 53:26.540]  You're, you know, shoulder to shoulder with people.
[53:26.720 --> 53:30.860]  You're right there with your getting your hands on everything and making the thing happen.
[53:31.100 --> 53:38.240]  You will have unbelievable success in building relationships and just exposing yourself to different attitudes and different ways of doing things.
[53:38.300 --> 53:38.620]  It's great.
[53:38.800 --> 53:41.380]  Sherry, what kind of things can people do as volunteers?
[53:42.340 --> 53:45.020]  You know, we try to match it to what skills people have.
[53:45.020 --> 53:48.760]  So if you like to learn to teach people how to solder, we'll probably put in the Learn to Solder tent.
[53:48.960 --> 53:49.880]  We have a whole green...
[53:49.880 --> 53:55.880]  If you're into sustainability, then we have a whole sustainability program so we can help, you know, you teach others and get hands on.
[53:56.280 --> 53:59.860]  If you want to greet or get information, we actually really try...
[53:59.860 --> 54:01.800]  We call it a traveler program.
[54:01.800 --> 54:05.080]  So if you come and work with us, you'll get a passport.
[54:05.520 --> 54:14.060]  We'll stamp it after you're there and we hope that you can take it into your community, too, and then showcase that, you know, you can do things or, you know, teach people in makerspaces.
[54:14.380 --> 54:22.980]  So we're very, you know, we really try to figure out what someone has to offer and what they want to give and then match them to the appropriate place.
[54:23.420 --> 54:23.860]  Okay.
[54:23.860 --> 54:29.640]  Well, just to give the final summation here, Maker Faire begins Saturday morning?
[54:30.700 --> 54:31.300]  That's right.
[54:31.760 --> 54:32.520]  10 a.m.
[54:32.580 --> 54:33.340]  to 6 p.m.
[54:33.440 --> 54:34.300]  Saturday and Sunday.
[54:34.620 --> 54:35.060]  Okay.
[54:35.260 --> 54:37.640]  And each day will end even outside of our gates.
[54:37.840 --> 54:42.140]  So the Diet Coke and Mentos show at the Unisphere is free.
[54:42.300 --> 54:43.140]  It's free to the community.
[54:43.240 --> 54:45.560]  Because we also believe it's important to share that too.
[54:45.740 --> 54:46.180]  It is.
[54:46.260 --> 54:46.920]  It really is.
[54:47.120 --> 54:49.640]  And I think the community really welcomes this as well.
[54:49.800 --> 54:50.360]  I've spent...
[54:50.360 --> 54:51.320]  I love Corona.
[54:51.480 --> 54:52.780]  I love that area of Queens.
[54:53.080 --> 54:56.500]  And I spend a lot of time walking around and wandering over to Flushing as well.
[54:57.240 --> 54:58.320]  It's really great.
[54:58.520 --> 55:00.440]  I would not suggest just coming and going.
[55:00.820 --> 55:04.160]  Come hang out for a while and just experience the whole thing.
[55:04.240 --> 55:04.880]  Rain or shine.
[55:05.100 --> 55:05.880]  It's going to be awesome.
[55:06.560 --> 55:07.940]  Again, the 7 train.
[55:08.360 --> 55:09.240]  Just take that to...
[55:09.240 --> 55:10.220]  I don't know the exact stop.
[55:10.360 --> 55:10.620]  I'm sorry.
[55:10.620 --> 55:18.760]  But if you go to makerfair.com and that's makerfair with an E at the end, you will have all the information and more that you could possibly want.
[55:19.860 --> 55:21.580]  And Sherry, we will see you there.
[55:22.300 --> 55:23.480]  Thank you so much.
[55:23.680 --> 55:24.580]  Great chatting with you guys.
[55:24.680 --> 55:25.300]  Love what you're doing.
[55:25.560 --> 55:27.480]  And look forward to saying hello to you.
[55:27.740 --> 55:28.100]  All right.
[55:28.180 --> 55:28.400]  Take care.
[55:28.480 --> 55:29.460]  Thanks for what you do as well.
[55:29.460 --> 55:30.180]  Thank you.
[55:30.380 --> 55:32.200]  I can't believe it's another makerfair.
[55:32.480 --> 55:32.720]  Wow.
[55:33.520 --> 55:34.000]  Yeah.
[55:34.400 --> 55:34.880]  Unbelievable.
[55:35.340 --> 55:35.780]  It's...
[55:35.780 --> 55:37.340]  I meant what I said, though.
[55:37.440 --> 55:38.540]  It's really inspiring.
[55:38.720 --> 55:41.380]  And it's just cool to just walk around.
[55:41.640 --> 55:45.180]  You could be aimless and you'll bump into things that are just...
[55:45.180 --> 55:45.700]  I don't know.
[55:45.840 --> 55:46.560]  A real hoot.
[55:46.700 --> 55:47.500]  Like, really thrilling.
[55:47.800 --> 55:52.760]  And you'll be talking to people that are really following what things they're interested in.
[55:52.860 --> 55:54.200]  And you'll get a real...
[55:54.200 --> 55:58.480]  Just in the way the conference we put on has a lot of information and new stuff.
[55:58.480 --> 55:59.220]  You'll see that.
[55:59.400 --> 56:01.500]  You'll see new stuff that makers are doing.
[56:02.020 --> 56:05.400]  New tools and resources they're using in interesting ways.
[56:05.540 --> 56:06.760]  And it's really inspiring.
[56:06.960 --> 56:08.200]  Can I confess one thing?
[56:08.480 --> 56:10.020]  I kind of hope it does rain.
[56:10.240 --> 56:11.220]  And you know why I say that?
[56:11.280 --> 56:17.580]  No, I say that because you get to do more when it rains because it's not as crowded.
[56:18.080 --> 56:21.060]  There's more people that you can interact with.
[56:21.820 --> 56:22.980]  And I don't know.
[56:23.080 --> 56:27.180]  More unique, fun things happen when things are a little bit inclement.
[56:27.180 --> 56:29.640]  You know, when the weather is a challenge.
[56:29.960 --> 56:33.020]  And you're like huddled up under, you know, going from tent to tent.
[56:33.360 --> 56:34.200]  You know, yeah.
[56:34.200 --> 56:36.380]  I think it'll be fun either way.
[56:36.500 --> 56:39.680]  And we will have our own fun.
[56:39.780 --> 56:41.640]  It'll be unique in that sense.
[56:41.820 --> 56:42.020]  Yeah.
[56:42.180 --> 56:47.220]  Whatever the nature, natural circumstances that are thrown at us.
[56:47.360 --> 56:48.360]  Hey, we're out of time.
[56:48.360 --> 56:51.000]  But we hopefully we'll see you at Maker Faire this weekend.
[56:51.260 --> 56:53.460]  And if not, we'll be back next week.
[56:53.800 --> 56:58.180]  Either you're with those who love freedom or you're with those who hate innocent life.
[56:58.900 --> 57:05.320]  All inferior creatures are to be considered the enemy of the Daleks at this point.
[57:05.840 --> 57:08.720]  Well, either you're with us or you're with the enemy.
[57:09.960 --> 57:11.940]  We all make no one.
[57:12.140 --> 57:14.960]  We are the superior beings.
[58:05.250 --> 58:12.150]  I hope to dream and differ from the low rise
[58:50.340 --> 59:02.540]  We've got the job parted out of time Now the poor test the rats cross the line To find the money's on the elastic
[59:14.750 --> 59:25.710]  bag on a monument I hope to dream I beg to dream and differ from the horror of lies.
[59:26.670 --> 59:28.890]  This is the darling
[01:00:43.060 --> 01:00:44.060]  of the Bye statu.
[01:00:49.400 --> 01:00:57.120]  This is the darling of the Ross of our eyes.
[01:00:57.300 --> 01:01:03.380]  I beg to dream and differ from the horror ofesehen.
[01:01:03.380 --> 01:01:07.600]  What's this, the darling of love?