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[02:50.640 --> 02:57.120]  Emmanuel Goldstein here with you on this delightful Wednesday evening, joined tonight by Kyle.
[02:57.340 --> 02:57.840]  Hi there.
[02:58.560 --> 03:02.200]  And over in Skypeland, we have Rob T.
[03:02.380 --> 03:02.800]  Firefly.
[03:03.520 --> 03:04.360]  Good evening.
[03:04.720 --> 03:05.680]  We have Gila.
[03:06.260 --> 03:06.900]  Good evening.
[03:07.460 --> 03:10.440]  And literally popping up at the last second, we have Alex.
[03:11.600 --> 03:12.300]  I'm here.
[03:12.460 --> 03:13.240]  Good evening, everybody.
[03:14.800 --> 03:20.060]  It's a good night to have another show, I think, because we have them so rarely.
[03:20.500 --> 03:22.060]  In fact, we're preempted again next week.
[03:22.100 --> 03:25.700]  Yes, we are the show that gets preempted more than any other show on BAI.
[03:25.720 --> 03:27.460]  I think we can actually say that truthfully.
[03:27.840 --> 03:28.620]  But it's okay.
[03:28.620 --> 03:29.220]  It's fine.
[03:29.220 --> 03:30.120]  Because we're busy.
[03:30.300 --> 03:31.220]  We have other things to do anyway.
[03:32.160 --> 03:36.440]  Anyone have any interesting stories or adventures that they've been on this week?
[03:39.260 --> 03:40.700]  Long COVID's an adventure.
[03:41.540 --> 03:42.140]  Yeah.
[03:42.220 --> 03:44.040]  How long is that COVID anyway?
[03:45.800 --> 03:48.820]  It's ongoing, but I'm doing my best.
[03:52.080 --> 03:55.100]  And I'm back in New York.
[03:55.160 --> 03:57.240]  I came back from Corsica.
[03:57.840 --> 03:58.580]  Last week.
[03:59.020 --> 04:00.280]  So that was a lot of fun.
[04:01.160 --> 04:14.360]  It was a bit crazy leaving the island, too, because we had drastically underestimated the amount of time it would take us to drive back to the ferry and realize that we probably were missing the cutoff.
[04:14.360 --> 04:28.140]  So I imagine that I'm going to have a steady stream of speed camera tickets throughout the entirety of the route that we took from the south of Corsica all the way up to Bastia in the north.
[04:28.140 --> 04:34.740]  And, you know, I'm thinking of doing something artistic with all these tickets that I will inevitably get in the mail.
[04:35.100 --> 04:40.480]  Well, it's a good opportunity to learn about the system they have in place with speed camera tickets in Italy.
[04:40.480 --> 04:43.560]  How do they track you down and force you to pay?
[04:43.560 --> 04:47.020]  Yeah, well, this is France because it's Corsica.
[04:47.020 --> 04:48.120]  Oh, I'm sorry.
[04:49.800 --> 04:59.560]  But in Italy, I do also, a couple of times a year, I get letters in the mail for outstanding speeding tickets.
[04:59.560 --> 05:02.700]  How many countries do you have outstanding speeding tickets in?
[05:03.040 --> 05:04.800]  Well, let's not discuss that at the moment.
[05:04.960 --> 05:08.060]  But, you know, the issue is how they track you down.
[05:08.240 --> 05:11.020]  But it is interesting how they track you down now.
[05:11.300 --> 05:18.180]  And the amount of effort that they put into mailing these tickets to people overseas that are never going to bother to pay these things.
[05:18.640 --> 05:20.360]  Well, you don't know that, Alex.
[05:20.500 --> 05:22.920]  Not everybody has your values.
[05:23.180 --> 05:26.620]  Maybe some people will actually say, hey, you know what?
[05:26.620 --> 05:27.160]  I was speeding.
[05:27.320 --> 05:28.560]  I should pay this.
[05:29.560 --> 05:30.520]  The interest and the postage.
[05:30.960 --> 05:31.920]  Oh, yeah, maybe.
[05:32.600 --> 05:35.140]  But, you know, especially if you're driving a rental car, right?
[05:35.280 --> 05:37.680]  Then they get the speed camera.
[05:37.960 --> 05:39.300]  We'll capture the plane with the rental car.
[05:39.660 --> 05:41.420]  Then they'll run the registration.
[05:41.580 --> 05:42.880]  They'll realize that that's a rental car.
[05:43.000 --> 05:47.380]  They'll figure out to whom, to what rental agency it was registered.
[05:47.760 --> 05:49.080]  Contact that rental agency.
[05:49.240 --> 05:51.740]  Figure out who had the car at that particular date and time.
[05:52.140 --> 05:55.700]  Get the personal information of that renter.
[05:55.700 --> 06:01.680]  And then wherever they are, they will say, Italy sends these certified letters in the mail.
[06:01.820 --> 06:02.960]  They're very official looking.
[06:03.340 --> 06:08.680]  If they don't, sometimes you have to go to the post office to pick them up.
[06:09.140 --> 06:19.100]  And you realize, oh my God, this is this official mail from the government of Italy for a speeding violation or accidentally driving in a pedestrian area in Florence.
[06:19.100 --> 06:20.780]  Just something ridiculous like that.
[06:20.960 --> 06:24.280]  They put so much effort into this process.
[06:24.740 --> 06:27.020]  And you know how many of these tickets I've paid?
[06:27.520 --> 06:28.040]  Zero.
[06:28.040 --> 06:30.940]  Well, yeah, knowing you, zero is a number I would have arrived at as well.
[06:31.060 --> 06:35.040]  But this does give me an idea for our TV production division.
[06:36.600 --> 06:44.780]  A reality show, or just kind of a reality slash travel show, where the goal is to get a speeding ticket in every country in the world.
[06:44.780 --> 06:48.160]  Now, I'm not talking about major speeding, like, you know, the kind of driving you do.
[06:48.300 --> 06:54.760]  I'm talking about just, you know, maybe a few miles over the speed limit, just so you get, you know, a ticket, a minor ticket.
[06:55.300 --> 06:59.400]  But then you follow the system and see what they do to try and track you down.
[06:59.560 --> 07:01.940]  And this is kind of like an ongoing series.
[07:02.140 --> 07:05.600]  You go, imagine getting, you know, a traffic ticket in North Korea, for instance.
[07:05.920 --> 07:08.180]  What would they do after they give you a ticket?
[07:08.920 --> 07:10.620]  How would they try to contact you?
[07:10.700 --> 07:11.360]  How do you pay them?
[07:11.860 --> 07:12.460]  Things like that.
[07:13.200 --> 07:19.700]  You would have, that would be an interesting one, because you would actually have to get a license from OFAC, you know, from the U.S.
[07:19.820 --> 07:23.080]  government, in order to pay the ticket to the North Korean government.
[07:23.400 --> 07:23.840]  Uh-huh, yeah.
[07:24.020 --> 07:26.040]  And that could be a two-parter, perhaps, for that.
[07:26.260 --> 07:26.420]  Yeah.
[07:26.640 --> 07:26.940]  Absolutely.
[07:27.240 --> 07:28.980]  And it sounds like a thrilling series.
[07:29.180 --> 07:29.320]  Uh-huh.
[07:30.240 --> 07:30.560]  Wow.
[07:30.780 --> 07:31.700]  Well, I've had quite a week.
[07:31.780 --> 07:33.680]  I told you guys I was on jury duty, I think.
[07:34.400 --> 07:34.980]  Did I tell you?
[07:35.060 --> 07:35.780]  I'm pretty sure I did.
[07:36.460 --> 07:38.920]  But, yeah, it's been something.
[07:39.880 --> 07:47.920]  Actually, I haven't been on a jury in quite a while, but the funny thing is, and you'd appreciate this, Alex, actually, it's a fraud trial.
[07:48.360 --> 07:51.700]  I can't talk about the case, but I can talk about the people, I think.
[07:52.360 --> 07:53.420]  I know the guy.
[07:53.680 --> 07:54.580]  I know the guy.
[07:55.220 --> 07:58.600]  He basically gave me my first job in the industry.
[07:58.840 --> 07:58.940]  Yeah.
[07:59.160 --> 08:07.560]  No, basically, I would not be where I am now, you know, with the magazine, with the radio, all that, because this guy took a chance on me and hired me.
[08:07.960 --> 08:08.440]  I'm sorry?
[08:08.940 --> 08:10.160]  You shouldn't be in the jury.
[08:10.660 --> 08:11.280]  Well, why not?
[08:11.540 --> 08:12.880]  I show up on time.
[08:12.880 --> 08:13.300]  What do you mean?
[08:13.400 --> 08:14.240]  Why should I be on the jury?
[08:14.820 --> 08:15.180]  No, no.
[08:16.840 --> 08:17.540]  That's not important.
[08:17.660 --> 08:18.340]  I mean, yeah, we know each other.
[08:18.420 --> 08:18.940]  It's not a big deal.
[08:19.260 --> 08:22.140]  I'm listening to the facts of the case, and I'm going to judge them.
[08:22.220 --> 08:24.080]  And there's 11 other people there, too, Alex.
[08:24.240 --> 08:26.200]  So it's not a big deal.
[08:27.640 --> 08:35.420]  But what you mentioned, though, I did want to ask you, because you are a lawyer, some people are saying I should mention that, you know, I know the guy.
[08:35.420 --> 08:37.360]  You know, we don't talk.
[08:37.620 --> 08:40.860]  I mean, yeah, we acknowledge each other passing in the hallway, but that's it.
[08:41.020 --> 08:46.080]  You know, there's nothing, you know, maybe we exchange holiday cars, but that's not really any of your business.
[08:46.480 --> 08:47.020]  You know?
[08:47.020 --> 08:49.940]  You know, some people say I should have mentioned this.
[08:50.500 --> 08:52.620]  It sounds like you're one of those people that said, but why?
[08:52.920 --> 08:53.660]  What thing was this to make?
[08:53.680 --> 08:56.400]  You think I can't make a rational judgment?
[08:56.680 --> 08:57.880]  I mean, the guy's a good guy.
[08:58.000 --> 08:58.940]  There's no question about that.
[08:58.940 --> 09:06.360]  He took a real chance on me, and, you know, I owe him a lot, but that's not going to enter into the way I hear the case.
[09:06.740 --> 09:07.020]  I mean...
[09:09.080 --> 09:11.380]  Yeah, I'm detecting some sarcasm now.
[09:11.520 --> 09:11.980]  Are you?
[09:12.140 --> 09:13.040]  Are you really?
[09:13.720 --> 09:16.720]  Yeah, the sarcasm meter is going off a little bit.
[09:16.920 --> 09:20.340]  Now, the naivete was believable at first.
[09:20.500 --> 09:20.760]  Thank you.
[09:20.980 --> 09:21.260]  Thank you.
[09:21.900 --> 09:23.960]  Tell me, though, why in that scenario?
[09:24.120 --> 09:27.340]  Why in that scenario would I not be allowed to sit in that jury?
[09:27.600 --> 09:35.240]  I mean, yeah, you know, it's not like we live in the same house or anything like that, but, you know, somebody that I have a passing acquaintance with who did me a favor once in the past.
[09:35.900 --> 09:37.600]  Is that really going to cloud my judgment?
[09:37.900 --> 09:39.940]  Does the system think so little of me?
[09:39.940 --> 09:46.780]  Well, it's not a matter of whether it would or would not cloud your judgment, in fact.
[09:47.300 --> 09:53.060]  But it is a matter of giving the appearance of partiality, right?
[09:53.180 --> 10:00.820]  So that the verdict could be questioned if it came out later on that you had known this person and he gave you your first job or something like that.
[10:00.820 --> 10:05.220]  So you have to avoid the appearance of partiality at all costs.
[10:05.300 --> 10:09.280]  And that includes being extra cautious when it comes to ethical issues like this.
[10:09.400 --> 10:16.540]  Even with 11 other people sitting in that jury box with me, that's not enough to counterweight?
[10:17.160 --> 10:19.700]  It only takes one for a hung jury.
[10:20.840 --> 10:21.900]  Well, okay.
[10:22.460 --> 10:25.840]  Now, imagine if I was the only person making a decision.
[10:26.240 --> 10:30.080]  And imagine if that decision was mine and mine alone.
[10:31.060 --> 10:34.140]  Would you say that's a conflict of interest as well?
[10:35.180 --> 10:36.980]  Yeah, I would.
[10:37.280 --> 10:39.060]  Yeah, for the same reason.
[10:39.060 --> 10:59.100]  So, pursuing that, Alex, and remember you are under oath, would you say that the judge that one President Trump appointed to the federal bench, ruling on his particular case right now, that might be a conflict of interest?
[11:00.660 --> 11:03.240]  Yeah, yeah, I see where you go.
[11:03.480 --> 11:04.360]  No further questions.
[11:05.660 --> 11:09.860]  Well, there is, I guess, two sides to this, right?
[11:10.040 --> 11:10.520]  I mean...
[11:10.520 --> 11:12.460]  Yeah, the right side and the wrong side.
[11:12.580 --> 11:13.860]  But tell us about the wrong side.
[11:13.900 --> 11:15.160]  I'd like to hear that logic.
[11:15.380 --> 11:16.120]  Sure, sure.
[11:16.120 --> 11:17.840]  We can start there, right?
[11:17.980 --> 11:19.380]  You know, with this theory, right?
[11:19.580 --> 11:24.840]  So federal judges are supposed to decide all cases without fear or favor.
[11:24.940 --> 11:26.500]  That's why they have lifetime appointments.
[11:26.500 --> 11:31.080]  And that's why they are supposedly beholden to nobody, right?
[11:31.080 --> 11:40.120]  Um, it's very unusual for a judge to rule on a case that involves the actual president that appointed them, though.
[11:40.800 --> 11:47.080]  That's kind of strange, especially since it's such a recent appointment and a recent president.
[11:47.260 --> 11:57.660]  So I can see there being some questions about this, but there is a lot of faith that we put in the federal judiciary to decide these issues for themselves.
[11:57.660 --> 11:58.980]  Yeah, but you know what, Alex?
[11:59.120 --> 12:03.940]  I think we put too much faith in that because, obviously, there's some kind of quick pro quo here.
[12:04.400 --> 12:07.060]  I mean, he gave her a big job.
[12:07.260 --> 12:08.860]  You know, he did her a big favor.
[12:08.860 --> 12:21.760]  And to just assume that she's above that somehow and isn't going to take his words into consideration a lot more than anybody else's, I think that's the height of naivete.
[12:22.100 --> 12:23.540]  I mean, it just seems so...
[12:23.540 --> 12:43.140]  And now that she's made the decision to appoint this special master, which nobody else would ever get that kind of preferential treatment, and basically shutting down the case against him, putting it on hold for months, maybe years, while they figure out how is this guy going to go through tens of thousands of documents or woman,
[12:43.300 --> 12:47.100]  and how are they going to find somebody that they all agree on?
[12:47.100 --> 12:48.560]  It's not going to happen.
[12:48.740 --> 12:51.680]  And if they don't find somebody, who's going to appoint one?
[12:51.780 --> 12:51.980]  Her?
[12:52.560 --> 12:53.820]  You see where this is going?
[12:53.940 --> 12:58.220]  It's just basically all this power is in her hands right now.
[12:58.220 --> 13:07.940]  And our system, if it really were designed well, would have immediately kicked in and said, no, the person you're ruling on appointed you.
[13:08.760 --> 13:11.340]  That's an obvious conflict of interest.
[13:11.640 --> 13:13.020]  So let's move on.
[13:13.140 --> 13:13.780]  There's other judges.
[13:14.220 --> 13:17.960]  Why do we have to have that particular judge?
[13:18.800 --> 13:22.680]  Well, it's the judge that the case drew.
[13:22.920 --> 13:28.660]  Generally, federal district courts will have some kind of lottery system, and it's hard to move away from that.
[13:28.760 --> 13:35.100]  I mean, the judge could reasonably have recused herself, and then they would have drawn another judge.
[13:36.020 --> 13:45.520]  But she seemed to believe that she could decide the case fairly and equitably without having to recuse herself.
[13:46.020 --> 13:58.860]  And, you know, look, you might be able to push the issue, bring it to the circuit court, and, you know, if you made a motion for the judge to recuse herself and then lost that motion, then you can take it up to the circuit court.
[13:58.860 --> 14:21.040]  But I think for the longest time, up until Trump became president, which is still a crazy thing to say in my mind, up until he became president, you know, you could really and reasonably rely on federal judges to be absolutely impartial, regardless of the president that appointed them.
[14:21.040 --> 14:29.740]  I mean, if I saw, let's say this had to do with, you know, Bush the first, and it was a judge that was appointed by Bush the first, I think we would have seen a different result.
[14:30.100 --> 14:35.960]  But here we have a much more tribal political system that we are living with.
[14:35.960 --> 14:58.920]  And it's not just the issue, the legal issue or the jeopardy that President Trump faces here, but I think to a certain extent, because the whole world has changed in terms of the level of outrage and vindictiveness of the public, that has certainly changed too.
[14:58.920 --> 15:13.080]  So that there may be massive repercussions for this judge personally and for her family, if he doesn't seem to fall in line with President Trump, you know, because she owes him one, she was appointed by him, all of the...
[15:13.080 --> 15:20.080]  So this all just adds to this stink, or rather the stench, I think, around this particular decision.
[15:21.040 --> 15:26.560]  But this is a new thing, struggling with the partiality of the federal judiciary.
[15:27.020 --> 15:39.920]  This is why Article 3 of the Constitution was written to provide for lifetime appointments, because federal judges have always been a reliable, impartial arbiter of the facts and the law.
[15:39.920 --> 15:40.700]  Yeah.
[15:41.140 --> 15:44.120]  And I want to agree with all of that.
[15:44.560 --> 15:50.320]  But it seems in the last few years, that's no longer the case with the Supreme Court, with what we're seeing here.
[15:51.740 --> 15:55.860]  Judges cannot be counted upon to remain impartial.
[15:56.400 --> 16:00.440]  And we have to think about how to deal with that, how to how to get past that.
[16:00.860 --> 16:05.220]  For instance, there's talk of the Department of Justice filing an appeal.
[16:05.380 --> 16:06.940]  Do you think it's a good idea for them to file an appeal?
[16:08.940 --> 16:10.420]  Yeah, I do.
[16:10.660 --> 16:11.480]  I mean, why not?
[16:11.820 --> 16:14.220]  Who would they be who would they be filing the appeal with?
[16:14.640 --> 16:16.220]  That would be with the circuit court.
[16:16.460 --> 16:20.580]  OK, so on the circuit court, are there any judges that Trump appointed there?
[16:21.880 --> 16:22.320]  Probably.
[16:22.340 --> 16:24.400]  I don't know all the appointees.
[16:24.760 --> 16:25.660]  You see the problem.
[16:25.820 --> 16:28.360]  It just doesn't go away unless we change something.
[16:29.000 --> 16:34.560]  However, though, you know, it's not a single judge on the circuit court that would decide the case.
[16:34.560 --> 16:35.960]  But I'm not a single juror.
[16:36.040 --> 16:37.580]  That's going to decide my friend Lenny.
[16:37.760 --> 16:40.140]  Oh, he's not really my friend, but whatever.
[16:40.360 --> 16:40.460]  Yeah.
[16:40.980 --> 16:47.540]  Well, you won't you won't let one juror serve, you know, who who has some kind of preexisting relationship.
[16:48.160 --> 16:50.740]  So the same should not hold true for judges.
[16:51.120 --> 16:53.020]  Well, so it's a little bit different with the jury.
[16:53.220 --> 16:56.640]  I mean, one one juror, one recalcitrant juror could could create a hung jury.
[16:56.840 --> 16:59.480]  But that's not how it would work in the circuit court.
[16:59.480 --> 17:01.700]  Those decisions would be decided by a majority.
[17:01.900 --> 17:04.920]  There would be a panel of judges that would be appointed would be three judges.
[17:05.220 --> 17:07.780]  They're presumably not all be appointed by Trump.
[17:08.020 --> 17:23.820]  And they are even farther removed, I think, from the the political processes and the but they would have to deal with the same record, the same facts on appeal that were that were presented to the judge below and determine whether or not she abused her discretion.
[17:24.100 --> 17:26.460]  I think that would be the standard here.
[17:26.460 --> 17:29.480]  I don't know if they would review this.
[17:29.720 --> 17:38.920]  I don't know what the standard of review is here that would that would would really determine whether or not this would be a an appeal that's worth that's worth making.
[17:39.200 --> 17:49.300]  Because if it's a de novo review, meaning they review everything anew, then, yeah, sure, that would be that's an easier win for the government.
[17:49.300 --> 17:49.520]  Right.
[17:49.740 --> 17:59.960]  But if it's a an abuse of discretion standard, then if there was a reasonable basis for the judge to have made that decision, it would be difficult for the appeals court to overturn that decision.
[18:01.760 --> 18:05.780]  But, again, you know, it's a majority of that panel that would decide.
[18:06.240 --> 18:17.780]  And then if you're still dissatisfied with that, you can request a rehearing en banc, which means you get the whole circuit, all of the judges over there, and then they can address the issue.
[18:18.160 --> 18:20.700]  And then from there, you've got one more stop.
[18:20.700 --> 18:23.100]  And that would be the United States Supreme Court.
[18:23.100 --> 18:24.560]  Oh, Droy.
[18:25.200 --> 18:26.640]  We know how that's going to go.
[18:27.080 --> 18:27.900]  That's true.
[18:27.960 --> 18:34.080]  And look, if the government won at the circuit level, then Trump's team could appeal it to the U.S.
[18:34.200 --> 18:34.680]  Supreme Court.
[18:35.000 --> 18:36.060]  How about this?
[18:36.200 --> 18:44.100]  How about so that we definitely get impartiality, we get the Canadian Supreme Court to rule on it, or the EU, whatever, you know, just anybody else.
[18:44.900 --> 18:50.380]  Someone with no ties, no, no, no, no relationships.
[18:51.000 --> 18:51.700]  I don't know.
[18:51.880 --> 18:52.900]  It's a crazy situation.
[18:52.900 --> 18:57.000]  But the end effect is that the investigation is stopped now.
[18:57.580 --> 19:07.780]  And if we saw this happening in another country, we would say, wow, that's just proof of how corrupt their system is and how amazing we are, because it can never happen here.
[19:07.880 --> 19:08.840]  Well, it's happening.
[19:09.000 --> 19:09.760]  It's happening right now.
[19:10.900 --> 19:27.620]  Yeah, I mean, look, another way of looking at it, and I don't think this is the correct way of looking at it, but it's the benefit of the doubt way of looking at it, is that, you know, this just puts a pause button on the government's aggressiveness here,
[19:27.800 --> 19:28.540]  in a sense, right?
[19:29.460 --> 19:35.680]  You know, it's not as if the reins of the Department of Justice are going to change in six months.
[19:36.060 --> 19:47.640]  Certainly, this might have some kind of outcome with respect to the midterm elections, but a special master going through these documents is not going to come to any different conclusion about whether a document is classified or unclassified.
[19:47.640 --> 19:50.280]  It's marked classified or it's not classified.
[19:50.320 --> 19:53.560]  It's marked SCI, sensitive compartments of information, or it's not.
[19:53.800 --> 19:55.680]  It should have been handled in one way.
[19:55.840 --> 20:00.340]  It should not have been taken out of the proper receptacle or where it's supposed to be.
[20:00.680 --> 20:11.000]  So, in a sense, yes, this just puts... it places a pause on this, but having independent review could make the government's case even stronger in the long run.
[20:11.000 --> 20:14.460]  Well, yes, but how do you get there?
[20:14.580 --> 20:20.160]  Because, again, they have to be... it has to be a person that both sides agree upon.
[20:20.960 --> 20:29.300]  Do you see... I mean, I see on Twitter, I see people in Trump's camp seriously suggesting that that person be Rudy Giuliani.
[20:29.700 --> 20:31.520]  I mean, can you believe... that is where we are.
[20:31.680 --> 20:34.900]  They think that is the impartial person that should be going through all of this.
[20:35.280 --> 20:37.900]  I don't think we're anywhere close to any sort of agreement.
[20:38.100 --> 20:39.580]  And then what happens if there's no agreement?
[20:39.580 --> 20:45.840]  Because if that judge is the person who appoints somebody, then all bets are off as to fairness and impartiality.
[20:47.300 --> 20:49.440]  Yeah, I mean, look, it's process.
[20:49.760 --> 20:52.100]  It's going to be stalled for a little while.
[20:52.380 --> 20:54.340]  I have faith in the judiciary.
[20:54.340 --> 20:58.920]  I have faith in their ability to push this thing forward and in the process.
[21:00.000 --> 21:01.500]  It's the best we have.
[21:01.680 --> 21:05.700]  I think it's one of the best in the world in terms of fairness.
[21:05.700 --> 21:11.700]  And especially at the federal level, it's a different caliber of practice and professionalism.
[21:11.700 --> 21:12.380]  professionalism.
[21:12.920 --> 21:17.440]  And I think we're going to see this march forward.
[21:17.580 --> 21:21.160]  It's just going to be more slow than we're used to.
[21:21.360 --> 21:22.560]  We've just got to be patient.
[21:22.740 --> 21:35.740]  Well, in every case that I have ever been involved in, involving friends and myself and just anybody that is under the hairs of the Department of Justice, we never had an option like this.
[21:35.940 --> 21:40.000]  We were never able to say, can we just pause for months or years or whatnot?
[21:40.560 --> 21:43.660]  And we also have to remember, the public forgets these things.
[21:44.020 --> 21:46.620]  You know, a few months from now, who's going to be thinking about it?
[21:46.680 --> 21:47.620]  Who's going to want to talk about it?
[21:47.760 --> 21:49.700]  And again, you said it might affect the elections.
[21:49.840 --> 21:53.080]  Well, that's a big deal if it affects the elections by not having this moving forward.
[21:53.920 --> 21:57.420]  And those elections can certainly affect more courts down the road.
[21:57.420 --> 22:01.220]  Yeah, every aspect of this speaks to the urgency of it.
[22:01.360 --> 22:18.180]  And the fact that a former president's private property was raided in the way it was, we're supposed to believe it was some sort of accident or a mix-up, and it's really over nothing to worry about at all.
[22:18.340 --> 22:42.840]  There's a lot here that just even getting into all of this procedure they want to try to bury it with, there's so much really damning evidence on the surface that to not do everything you can to activate and speak to that sense of urgency, it just boggles the mind.
[22:42.940 --> 22:44.080]  It's a real waste.
[22:44.260 --> 22:50.380]  And his appetite for attorneys and lawyers, it's its own form of opulence.
[22:51.060 --> 23:01.760]  Yes, but the fact that we know so much about the evidence, it's because Trump wouldn't shut up himself and demanded that things be made public, and they were.
[23:02.180 --> 23:10.200]  Now, if he had asked for this special master without revealing all this information, we wouldn't know any of this.
[23:10.340 --> 23:12.360]  We wouldn't know anything about what we're talking about.
[23:12.680 --> 23:16.340]  Imagine how easy it would have been to just completely cover the whole thing up.
[23:16.340 --> 23:25.500]  So, I guess we owe a thank you to Trump himself for not knowing when to shut up and basically helping to reveal just the extent of this.
[23:25.600 --> 23:27.860]  Just being messy all over the place.
[23:28.020 --> 23:28.860]  Laundry everywhere.
[23:29.120 --> 23:32.860]  Look, on this program, we talk about security a lot.
[23:32.960 --> 23:35.060]  We talk about when systems are broken or insecure.
[23:35.580 --> 23:42.600]  And that's what we're talking about right now, is a system that is broken and insecure, the judicial system in this country.
[23:43.260 --> 23:56.900]  And we can either choose to do something about it, strengthen it, you know, add some security to it, or we can just deny it and keep going around, pretending that it's working fine and blaming the people that expose it.
[23:57.260 --> 24:00.100]  And you see how that winds up with computers and phones.
[24:00.400 --> 24:01.820]  The same thing can happen here.
[24:01.980 --> 24:03.220]  Or top-secret materials.
[24:03.540 --> 24:04.220]  Yeah, yeah.
[24:04.760 --> 24:05.460]  Alex, go ahead.
[24:05.540 --> 24:07.380]  Let's move on to some other stories, but go ahead.
[24:08.800 --> 24:10.020]  I'm happy to move on.
[24:10.200 --> 24:10.500]  Okay.
[24:10.500 --> 24:11.420]  Well, great.
[24:11.980 --> 24:16.460]  Our friends over at DDoS...
[24:16.460 --> 24:18.000]  Hang on a second.
[24:18.120 --> 24:21.420]  I'm getting my notes together here.
[24:21.620 --> 24:41.880]  But basically, our friends over at DDoS Secrets uploaded a cache of data very recently linked to the Oath Keepers that include chat records from the group's private chat room hosted on Rocket Chat from June 22nd to June 26th, 2020, and February 5th of September 19th,
[24:42.000 --> 24:42.460]  2021.
[24:42.940 --> 24:46.240]  Emails from January 13th to September 19th, 2021.
[24:47.060 --> 24:51.500]  And purported membership information for more than 38,000 individuals.
[24:51.860 --> 25:04.920]  So, folks, if you suspect your mother or father or brother or sister are members of the Oath Keepers, this is your chance to check the database and find out and see just who's involved and who isn't.
[25:05.040 --> 25:09.780]  This actually is being spread around by the ADL, Anti-Defamation League.
[25:10.080 --> 25:11.120]  So you can, like, search it?
[25:11.560 --> 25:12.420]  Yeah, I imagine.
[25:12.500 --> 25:13.240]  So I haven't gotten it yet.
[25:13.780 --> 25:15.400]  We've got a torrent running in the other room.
[25:15.540 --> 25:16.120]  That's interesting.
[25:16.120 --> 25:19.040]  But basically, in the wake of the January 6th attack on the U.S.
[25:19.160 --> 25:22.640]  Capitol, significant public and legal scrutiny was focused on the Oath Keepers.
[25:22.760 --> 25:23.520]  This comes from the ADL.
[25:24.100 --> 25:27.840]  A large anti-government extremist group associated with the militia movement.
[25:28.040 --> 25:31.940]  Despite the group's national profile, few specifics were known about its membership.
[25:32.860 --> 25:44.940]  And that changed in September 2021, a year ago, when the nonprofit journalist collective Distributed Denial of Secrets published, among other data, more than 38,000 names on the Oath Keepers membership list.
[25:44.940 --> 25:47.580]  So this list has been out for a while, but it's just...
[25:47.580 --> 25:51.520]  It's getting more publicity now for some reason.
[25:51.840 --> 25:52.960]  Perhaps it's more prescient.
[25:53.580 --> 25:54.740]  Yeah, maybe, maybe.
[25:56.160 --> 25:59.060]  So it's something worth looking into.
[25:59.660 --> 26:02.080]  And if you go to DDoS Secrets...
[26:02.080 --> 26:03.340]  Let me have the exact URL.
[26:03.780 --> 26:04.960]  Rob, do you have that information handy?
[26:06.220 --> 26:07.020]  DDoSsecrets.com.
[26:07.100 --> 26:07.360]  Dot com.
[26:07.500 --> 26:07.980]  Okay, that was easy.
[26:07.980 --> 26:10.440]  And you can click the link for Oath Keepers right on the front page.
[26:10.640 --> 26:13.280]  Yeah, and get it yourself and see.
[26:13.280 --> 26:16.120]  But this is a story that does not get old.
[26:16.360 --> 26:18.560]  And it's good to see it back in the media.
[26:19.000 --> 26:22.040]  Sorry, it's slightly confusing, so it's worth spelling this out.
[26:22.300 --> 26:24.720]  D-D-O-Secrets.com.
[26:25.840 --> 26:26.320]  Yes.
[26:26.840 --> 26:28.740]  And you can't link to it on Twitter.
[26:28.960 --> 26:32.820]  They won't let you do it, which is kind of interesting in itself.
[26:33.620 --> 26:42.180]  Yeah, and really something we find annoying as hackers because it's basically flagged as hacking material.
[26:43.240 --> 26:56.600]  Even when, in large respect, it's, well, often case, once things are released in one form or another, depending on exactly what it is, it's in the public interest.
[26:56.800 --> 26:58.040]  Some way or somehow.
[26:58.760 --> 27:01.860]  Some journalists, some researchers should be looking at it.
[27:02.120 --> 27:03.180]  You know, they were at Hope.
[27:03.360 --> 27:04.460]  DDoS Secrets were at Hope.
[27:04.460 --> 27:06.920]  And it was a real honor to have them there.
[27:07.080 --> 27:08.680]  And you can see the talk on YouTube.
[27:10.300 --> 27:19.240]  But these stories are very important to the preservation of our democracy and to get the facts out there and to let people know what's really going on.
[27:21.620 --> 27:26.340]  Yeah, and they've been guests on our show several times, I think, within the last year.
[27:26.540 --> 27:27.340]  Absolutely, yes.
[27:28.780 --> 27:29.900]  Okay, Kiwi Forums.
[27:29.980 --> 27:30.800]  You haven't talked about this.
[27:31.320 --> 27:35.640]  Who wants to sum up what Kiwi Forums is or was all about?
[27:37.280 --> 27:39.560]  Gila, it looks like you've got something.
[27:39.620 --> 27:39.840]  Go ahead.
[27:40.280 --> 27:40.940]  I got it.
[27:41.220 --> 27:41.920]  Are we ready?
[27:42.160 --> 27:45.340]  You can't say those words on the radio, just so you know.
[27:46.460 --> 27:47.680]  Oh, it's one word.
[27:47.700 --> 27:47.960]  All right.
[27:48.160 --> 27:50.180]  And that word is cesspool.
[27:51.020 --> 27:51.900]  Yeah, you can say that.
[27:52.000 --> 27:52.780]  You can say cesspool, right?
[27:52.860 --> 27:53.440]  Okay, yeah, yeah.
[27:53.600 --> 27:54.760]  Okay, that's the word.
[27:55.580 --> 27:56.620]  Cesspools are essential.
[27:56.900 --> 27:58.120]  Cesspools are essential, Gila.
[27:58.540 --> 28:00.080]  They're essential, but they're gross.
[28:00.620 --> 28:02.920]  So I'm just going with the gross part, not the essential part.
[28:02.920 --> 28:04.660]  Yeah, because they're not essential.
[28:04.820 --> 28:05.500]  That's for damn sure.
[28:05.500 --> 28:05.660]  Not essential.
[28:07.700 --> 28:12.360]  Yeah, so Kiwi Farms is, was, is, was.
[28:13.180 --> 28:16.100]  Well, first of all, let's start with the definition of what Kiwi Farms is.
[28:16.180 --> 28:18.460]  Is it a 4chan, an 8chan, a 12chan?
[28:18.600 --> 28:19.800]  What is it exactly?
[28:20.380 --> 28:22.140]  It's in that vein.
[28:22.140 --> 28:28.480]  It's like an 8chan, an 8con, all of those things.
[28:29.160 --> 28:35.640]  And basically, in the last few years, they've existed solely to brigade and troll.
[28:35.840 --> 28:36.220]  Thank you.
[28:37.000 --> 28:38.760]  Rob just opened up a sentence for me.
[28:38.920 --> 28:44.220]  Become notorious for waging online harassment campaigns against LGBT people, women, and others.
[28:44.220 --> 28:54.180]  So basically, they're a hate group that goes around targeting people specifically, and they have a massive amount of participants, and they're anonymous.
[28:54.800 --> 28:55.440]  Correct.
[28:55.880 --> 28:56.320]  Okay.
[28:56.460 --> 28:57.280]  All of those things are true.
[28:57.520 --> 29:04.400]  And in recent weeks, Cloudflare has refused to drop them as a customer.
[29:04.760 --> 29:06.280]  Anybody want to discuss that a little bit?
[29:07.980 --> 29:10.760]  Well, Cloudflare is basically...
[29:11.900 --> 29:23.300]  They distribute requests for your site in such a way as to protect your site against DDoS attacks and also obfuscate where your site is being hosted because they're bouncing it through themselves.
[29:23.620 --> 29:30.020]  And this is a legitimate service used by lots of people, lots of agencies, lots of companies.
[29:30.680 --> 29:35.160]  The Internet, as we know it, depends heavily on Cloudflare services.
[29:36.280 --> 29:54.540]  But Cloudflare was serving Kiwi Farms in the same way that before that, they had served sites like the Daily Stormer and like 8chan, basically hosting the Nazis and people like that.
[29:54.960 --> 30:07.000]  Until under pressure from public outrage and complaints, they pulled the plug on those two sites, but they were digging in their heels regarding Kiwi Farms until very recently.
[30:07.400 --> 30:16.780]  They finally capitulated basically to the increasing public pressure, the campaigns for people to boycott them.
[30:17.040 --> 30:24.180]  Companies were re-examining their relationships with Cloudflare and it ran into money for them, one can assume.
[30:24.400 --> 30:28.540]  So they finally let Kiwi Farms go from their Kiwi...
[30:28.540 --> 30:33.460]  They basically took a different approach as far as their rationale.
[30:33.720 --> 30:39.820]  They said it was because of an immediate threat to human life that they dropped them, not because of the bottom line.
[30:39.920 --> 30:53.180]  Of course, they wouldn't say it's because of the bottom line, but their CEO, Matthew Prince, said, this is an extraordinary decision for us to make and given Cloudflare's role as an internet infrastructure provider, a dangerous one that we are not comfortable with.
[30:53.300 --> 31:09.020]  However, the rhetoric on the Kiwi Farms site and specific targeted threats have escalated over the last 48 hours to the point that we believe there is an unprecedented emergency and immediate threat to human life, unlike what we have previously seen from Kiwi Farms or any other customer before.
[31:10.500 --> 31:11.520]  So that's...
[31:11.520 --> 31:20.120]  I don't know what they were reading before because apparently there were all sorts of other threats and horrible things going on in Kiwi Farms that they didn't take action against.
[31:20.160 --> 31:27.160]  I think maybe their attention was drawn to specific stuff or they took another look of the proverbial second look at it.
[31:27.280 --> 31:29.340]  I don't know what it took, but...
[31:29.340 --> 31:30.280]  Kiwi Farms!
[31:30.380 --> 31:31.860]  Oh, we were looking at Kiwi Farms!
[31:31.880 --> 31:32.980]  Oh, that one!
[31:32.980 --> 31:33.360]  Right!
[31:33.420 --> 31:34.180]  That's awful.
[31:34.180 --> 31:35.000]  We can't have that.
[31:35.060 --> 31:37.100]  You know, we actually keep that over there.
[31:37.680 --> 31:38.720]  Rob, did you have more?
[31:39.160 --> 31:50.480]  But yeah, before they made this decision, they were digging their heels in with a blog post that didn't name Kiwi Farms but was obliquely referring to their rationale for, at the time, keeping the side up.
[31:51.320 --> 31:54.160]  Basically trying to compare themselves to a public utility.
[31:54.760 --> 32:06.520]  One quote from it was, just as the telephone company doesn't terminate your line if you say awful, racist, bigoted things, we've concluded that turning off security services because we think what you publish is despicable is the wrong policy.
[32:06.520 --> 32:21.400]  So they really did not want to shut Kiwi Farms down until increased pressure over the following week or so, I think, was the time between these events led them to actually pull the plug.
[32:21.880 --> 32:25.860]  From there, Kiwi Farms went to a Chinese host for a while, then they went to something else.
[32:26.080 --> 32:28.640]  Now they appear to not be on the internet.
[32:29.840 --> 32:41.960]  One other interesting fact in all this is that the internet archive has also decided to exclude Kiwi Farms and their backup domain from the internet archive.
[32:42.180 --> 32:51.080]  So you can no longer look at old copies of where they had people's personal info and the sorts of things that they existed to spread.
[32:51.480 --> 32:56.280]  Even the internet archive has dug in their heels and went, we don't need to keep a copy of this chunk of the internet.
[32:56.580 --> 33:01.180]  The Wayback Machine, what they do is they crawl the web, they create backup of all sorts of sites and pages.
[33:01.720 --> 33:05.640]  And if you have a page, you can choose to be excluded.
[33:05.780 --> 33:10.720]  But otherwise, as you said, they're rarely removed, except for copyright reasons.
[33:11.300 --> 33:20.300]  The internet archive has previously protested requests to delete alleged terrorist content and controversial sites like the now rebranded 8chan.
[33:20.500 --> 33:22.720]  You can still find those on the Wayback Machine.
[33:23.360 --> 33:25.340]  This seems to be different.
[33:25.580 --> 33:27.240]  This seems to be a step beyond that.
[33:29.080 --> 33:34.240]  I think people are realizing this is something that actually is directly targeting people.
[33:34.780 --> 33:36.080]  It's violent.
[33:36.160 --> 33:37.040]  It's threatening.
[33:37.700 --> 33:40.800]  And it's not what free speech is all about.
[33:40.940 --> 33:42.260]  It's not what anonymity is all about.
[33:42.360 --> 33:42.880]  It's a threat.
[33:43.380 --> 33:48.260]  And nobody is obligated to help support that kind of threat.
[33:51.100 --> 33:52.120]  Oh, us.
[33:52.260 --> 33:52.360]  Right.
[33:52.860 --> 33:54.060]  So, it's interesting.
[33:55.020 --> 33:55.600]  We're...
[33:55.600 --> 34:14.700]  From an article in Gizmodo from this morning, Kiwi Farms does appear to have been bouncing around the internet over the last few days and are now following in the path of the Daily Stormer in terms of where they are hosted and where they're finding their security at this point.
[34:14.700 --> 34:18.760]  The Daily Stormer, it looks like a kindergarten group compared to this.
[34:19.000 --> 34:20.600]  You know, they're just filled with hatred.
[34:20.600 --> 34:24.360]  But these guys are printing contact information.
[34:24.360 --> 34:25.400]  I want to read you a story.
[34:25.560 --> 34:25.740]  Okay.
[34:26.260 --> 34:31.660]  This is about a nine-year-old trans kid who is targeted.
[34:32.180 --> 34:36.860]  A mother has opened up about her nine-year-old trans child being doxed by Kiwi Farms users.
[34:37.520 --> 34:48.720]  The forum was reluctantly taken offline by host Cloudflare this Saturday following a campaign led by trans streamer Clara Sorrenti, better known as Kefals.
[34:48.960 --> 34:49.680]  Am I pronouncing that right?
[34:50.900 --> 35:00.200]  Kiwi Farms and its users were accused of involvement in some of the most notorious harassment campaigns towards members of the LGBTQ plus community in recent years.
[35:00.460 --> 35:02.940]  If it were not for them, the Republicans would be number one.
[35:03.120 --> 35:05.700]  But they took the prize on this.
[35:07.100 --> 35:10.180]  This reportedly included targeting U.S.
[35:10.380 --> 35:16.300]  mother Debbie Jackson and her trans child when the trans child was just nine years old.
[35:16.400 --> 35:26.580]  Posting on Twitter, trans activist Jackson explained, my nine-year-old trans child was so proud and confident that they ended up on the cover of National Geographic magazine.
[35:26.580 --> 35:28.640]  It was the gender revolution.
[35:29.360 --> 35:32.880]  But within days, we were doxed on Kiwi Farms.
[35:33.380 --> 35:39.700]  Now, doxing, if you don't know, refers to the act of leaking the private information of an individual or group to the public without their consent.
[35:39.900 --> 35:44.720]  It's often used as an intimidation tactic and can lead to in-person abuse.
[35:45.420 --> 36:02.360]  The kind and gentle folks who call themselves Kiwi Farmers decided that I was a groomer pedophile and that Avery would only be safe if they exposed our full names, addresses, cell phone numbers, places of work, et cetera, to protect the children, don't you know?
[36:02.720 --> 36:05.420]  It's an unusual way of phrasing it on Twitter.
[36:06.200 --> 36:19.240]  She explained she received a Google Alert notification about the information leak and described her fear of watching several cars stop in front of her house during an ice storm when her city was essentially shut down.
[36:19.480 --> 36:21.480]  Our kids were nine and ten.
[36:22.020 --> 36:28.500]  It was just past their bedtime but they noticed that mom and dad were still up and talking an awful lot.
[36:29.380 --> 36:31.980]  Jackson continued, we were on the phone with everyone we could think of.
[36:32.060 --> 36:32.520]  What do we do?
[36:32.600 --> 36:33.340]  How do we stop this?
[36:33.420 --> 36:34.620]  The car is in front of our house.
[36:35.740 --> 36:40.180]  Jackson eventually contacted local police who directed her to the FBI Cyber Crimes Unit.
[36:40.680 --> 36:51.240]  Things became difficult however as one of Kiwi Farms' main draws was the anonymity afforded to users and Jackson said arrests were difficult because the URL is registered in one state the hosting is in another.
[36:52.120 --> 36:58.820]  Jackson then described her growing fears as hundreds of stories about the incident appeared across the globe.
[36:59.160 --> 37:01.340]  My child was nine she emphasized.
[37:01.340 --> 37:06.340]  They bragged in the thread that I must be watching so they wanted to elevate things for me to read.
[37:06.480 --> 37:09.540]  Some of the comments about driving me to suicide for my child's benefit.
[37:10.020 --> 37:17.920]  She eventually turned to Google which helped removing Kiwi Farms' pages from search results relating to their victims.
[37:19.400 --> 37:40.720]  I regularly search our names she said just to be sure I'm not seeing Kiwi Farms' pages but she said that search results were showing up actually I'm sorry Kefals said that search results were showing up for her and yes there's still more people that are being harassed now.
[37:42.940 --> 37:49.240]  Debbie Jackson said I was devastated to read that after all that we had been through I thought we had done something to keep our trans friends safe.
[37:49.960 --> 38:00.660]  I regularly search our names as I mentioned Avery is just 15 more than a third of Avery's life has been lived in the shadows of the Kiwi Farms terrorism.
[38:01.580 --> 38:10.820]  My bright and confident kid withered away decided that being a proud and public trans kid ruined their life and didn't even want to acknowledge being trans anymore.
[38:11.940 --> 38:14.340]  So I guess Kiwi Farms are considered that a victory.
[38:15.600 --> 38:37.200]  But there's there's more things have now changed she continued I'm going to get my kid back that's it that's the point of this thread I am going to get my bright and shining confident and happy kid back I honestly don't even know how to end this because I'm crying too much I have my child again she exclaimed And that account came from pinknews.co.uk.
[38:37.960 --> 38:42.380]  And it just lets you see what we're talking about here.
[38:42.500 --> 38:45.500]  This isn't just a site where everybody speaks their mind.
[38:45.520 --> 38:49.300]  This is something that is targeted for a specific group of people.
[38:49.360 --> 38:51.720]  And they don't care how much they hurt anybody.
[38:51.720 --> 38:55.340]  You know, it's all just fun and games for them.
[38:55.840 --> 39:03.400]  They're detached from any kind of emotion or morality or anything like that.
[39:03.560 --> 39:06.260]  So, is there a place in the world for Kiwi farms?
[39:06.760 --> 39:07.740]  I argue not.
[39:07.940 --> 39:08.880]  I don't think there is.
[39:09.380 --> 39:13.860]  I don't know if I would have said that a few years ago, because I don't think I would have realized it could have gotten this bad.
[39:15.460 --> 39:21.560]  I'm sure we'll get letters saying that we're selling out again, and that we're basically not standing up for freedom of speech.
[39:21.560 --> 39:22.700]  This is not freedom of speech.
[39:23.000 --> 39:24.100]  This is terrorism.
[39:24.440 --> 39:41.680]  Yeah, it's the difference between it being a discussion board or discussion channel, as some of these were originally conceived of, and more like a planning and command and control type of platform for, like you said, domestic terrorism.
[39:41.680 --> 39:58.380]  I mean, going after families and minority groups and people of all stripes, just becoming at the effect of your operation and whims on these anonymized channels.
[39:58.380 --> 40:06.100]  It's not something that most people would have in their community.
[40:06.100 --> 40:28.340]  I mean, the notion that Kiwi farms should be allowed to exist or people should be allowed to host this without any regard to the collateral consequences is just silly and short-sighted.
[40:28.340 --> 40:41.720]  And in my opinion, completely wrong-headed, and it would involve, to me, I think, just a very childish way of looking at something like free speech.
[40:43.220 --> 40:54.620]  And I think, I hate to say this, but I think a lot of uneducated people think about the First Amendment as something absolute that can never be trampled upon.
[40:54.740 --> 40:57.000]  It can never, you know, it has no limits.
[40:57.300 --> 40:58.720]  And it's not true at all.
[40:58.980 --> 41:00.020]  It's not true at all.
[41:00.020 --> 41:11.700]  I mean, the classic example is you can't yell fire in a crowded movie theater, you know, and it all boils down to this fundamental notion that one person's freedom ends, where another person's freedom begins.
[41:11.980 --> 41:29.160]  And you are allowed to speak your mind and do your thing up until your actions or words impact another person's sense of security, sense of privacy, or would cross the line into harassment, trespassing, fighting words, things like that.
[41:29.160 --> 41:45.980]  So, you know, this notion that our words and actions have no consequences on others that should be accounted for is a childish, short-sighted, and I think absolutely wrong moral system to which these idiots adhere.
[41:46.920 --> 41:52.900]  Yeah, and rather than uneducated, say idiots, because I don't think anyone's going to say, hey, wait a minute, I'm an idiot, and I resent that.
[41:53.620 --> 42:02.320]  So, but you know what I like about this, what I like about how this transpired is the fact that we got here without any government intervention.
[42:02.540 --> 42:04.560]  This is all the people doing this.
[42:04.680 --> 42:20.840]  This is all the outrage from people like us, organizations that hear that outrage and say, we don't want any part of this, didn't take a clampdown from the federal government, state government, anything like that, to shut this down.
[42:20.840 --> 42:25.000]  It just took us... and a lot of people will say, well, that's cancel culture.
[42:25.520 --> 42:30.020]  Some things should be canceled, you know, and this kind of thing, yeah, let's cancel that.
[42:30.100 --> 42:34.940]  Let's just not go overboard with the cancellation and save it for the really special cases.
[42:35.420 --> 42:41.100]  Yeah, I mean, I believe this is part of the clearly stated policy at the Internet Archive.
[42:42.000 --> 42:44.920]  It goes something like, sometimes we forget things.
[42:45.220 --> 42:45.540]  Mm-hmm.
[42:46.340 --> 42:47.540]  Yeah, yeah, I like that.
[42:47.540 --> 42:48.920]  I think that is a policy there.
[42:49.060 --> 42:50.780]  Or no, we forget the forgettable?
[42:51.040 --> 42:56.500]  Well, I mean, the Internet Archive doesn't forget anything, but some things should be forgotten.
[42:56.640 --> 42:57.280]  Sometimes they do.
[42:57.380 --> 42:58.980]  Or something just aren't worth remembering.
[43:00.020 --> 43:11.960]  But the story should remain, and we should learn from this, that this is what happened, and basically be ready the next time it happens, because you better believe it, you know, cantaloupe farms are just around the corner.
[43:11.960 --> 43:12.980]  Well, that's the other thing.
[43:13.080 --> 43:17.140]  I think the broader concern is, okay, so people are just hopping platforms now.
[43:17.260 --> 43:23.080]  The sentiment necessarily, you know, we can wag our finger and say, oh, this isn't something we want in our community.
[43:23.080 --> 43:28.280]  All we want, is it actually, is that aim going away?
[43:28.520 --> 43:39.980]  Like, are those individuals that are engaging in that, however, whatever level of seriousness there is there, or commitment to it within any kind of social dynamic like that.
[43:40.120 --> 43:49.320]  But it's a sort of a moving thing that's changing shape and size and numbers, but it's, the hate there is still there.
[43:49.500 --> 43:50.020]  It is.
[43:50.180 --> 43:59.600]  So, I think that, as you said, the private interest taking a good long look and actually having the discussion, however difficult.
[44:00.500 --> 44:00.720]  Yeah.
[44:01.240 --> 44:01.920]  Go ahead, Rob.
[44:03.060 --> 44:19.780]  This whole thing, and the existence of places like Kiwi Farms, Aid Kuhn, all of this stuff, just has me thinking a lot about my own journey, because I remember what it was like to be lonely and full of dark thoughts and young and want to break something.
[44:20.240 --> 44:25.860]  And I did not have a real-world community to speak of, but I found my people online.
[44:26.320 --> 44:40.060]  The people I found, very fortunately for me, were the hacker community, were the phone freak community, were people who were exploring and playing and learning and sharing information and telling jokes and making the occasional prank phone call.
[44:40.140 --> 44:52.120]  But, ultimately, no one was out to hurt people on these forums that I found myself on in the old days of Usenet, IRC, web forums, email lists, that sort of thing.
[44:52.920 --> 44:54.460]  We had our bad apples, though.
[44:54.580 --> 44:55.500]  We had our bad apples.
[44:55.760 --> 44:56.260]  We had people back there.
[44:56.260 --> 45:07.220]  There were always bad apples, but the sort of crowd wisdom, the majority there, were people who were there to play, to learn, to grow.
[45:07.220 --> 45:13.160]  And I just think, you know, what are the chances that I found the people I did?
[45:13.560 --> 45:31.720]  How easy would it have been for me, at my lowest, to stumble into a group that was ready to reinforce the dark end of my thoughts, to encourage me to do worse things than I was previously willing to do?
[45:31.720 --> 45:44.620]  And these sort of echo chambers that can pop up and exist and just reinforce sort of these ideals of hate and negativity, they exist.
[45:44.620 --> 45:51.460]  And the threat they pose, I think, is very real, not only to people outside, but to the people who find themselves there.
[45:52.140 --> 46:10.800]  And also, it can be something that then is manipulating and, you know, directed in ways that weren't something you're originally even aware of or upset over personally, but you become a part of these radicalized groups.
[46:10.800 --> 46:32.920]  So, I mean, it's out there, and I think just talking about it and coming up with ways to familiarize ourselves and adapt our networks, and when people are pointing things out, listen to them, you know, and say, like, okay, is this really deserving of the kind of protection said company is providing them?
[46:33.120 --> 46:33.640]  Go ahead, Gayla.
[46:33.640 --> 46:39.520]  But I think the thing that occurs to me is how, you know, it's kind of like Whack-A-Mole.
[46:39.760 --> 46:44.880]  Like, 4chan went away and it became 8chan and what, 12chan, 16chan, whatever it was.
[46:45.140 --> 46:46.280]  Those numbers keep growing.
[46:46.280 --> 46:54.390]  And I think about the focus at Kiwi Farms.
[46:55.710 --> 46:57.830]  They swatted Keffels.
[46:58.030 --> 47:00.510]  They got her arrested and out of her home.
[47:00.510 --> 47:10.830]  She went into hiding in a hotel, and they analyzed the pattern on the sheets to find what hotel it was to find her and keep terrorizing her.
[47:12.120 --> 47:23.630]  And the fact that this hive mind put itself to that, the thing that scares me is no matter where they go, what is the way to stop that?
[47:23.810 --> 47:26.230]  What is the way to work against that?
[47:27.790 --> 47:30.890]  Even if they get driven underground, they're going to come back.
[47:31.110 --> 47:35.970]  You see, what you're describing is a perfect instance of tools.
[47:36.230 --> 47:40.370]  And something like that, we were able to figure out where somebody is based on a pattern like that.
[47:40.550 --> 47:55.010]  We would celebrate as extremely clever and a victory for, you know, for freedom and all that if we were tracking a bad guy, you know, if we were doing something for Ukraine or just basically fighting against fascism using those techniques.
[47:55.330 --> 47:57.570]  Same thing with any bit of technology.
[47:57.650 --> 47:59.010]  It can be used for good.
[47:59.130 --> 48:00.150]  It can be used for evil.
[48:00.470 --> 48:03.170]  And these people are using it for evil right now.
[48:03.170 --> 48:06.970]  But you can see the power that they have using these tools.
[48:06.970 --> 48:18.850]  And as teachers, as those who help to spread the knowledge around, all of us in the hacker community should take heed of who it is that we're teaching.
[48:18.850 --> 48:22.610]  And also, are we teaching values as well as skills?
[48:22.890 --> 48:24.890]  You know, because that is super important.
[48:25.250 --> 48:27.010]  You know, we talked about bad apples.
[48:28.050 --> 48:29.490]  Do we give up on the bad apples?
[48:29.610 --> 48:30.910]  Do we try to turn the bad apples?
[48:31.030 --> 48:32.110]  Do we try and reach them?
[48:32.350 --> 48:35.810]  You know, and there are some people that I know will never be able to reach.
[48:35.810 --> 48:37.290]  But I think we have to at least try.
[48:37.470 --> 48:40.890]  If we don't, if we give up on too many people, they're still going to be around.
[48:40.990 --> 48:44.450]  And they'll just be using those efforts in different ways.
[48:45.610 --> 48:48.430]  So it's a lot to consider, a lot to think about.
[48:49.330 --> 49:05.910]  I certainly see it as like an amorphous idea that is sort of at any one point can be in larger groups and then out in smaller groups, like dispersing and then coming back again, like into different larger groups at moments in history.
[49:06.090 --> 49:08.070]  And we're witnessing it in real time.
[49:08.470 --> 49:14.550]  And I just know that people of goodwill, I think, have better tools and are better organized.
[49:14.690 --> 49:17.190]  I can just only hope that that's the case.
[49:17.270 --> 49:18.210]  I'd like to think that.
[49:18.370 --> 49:21.490]  But, you know, tools can wind up in anyone's hands.
[49:21.490 --> 49:31.030]  And one thing that we always would say decades ago in the magazine was, imagine this technology in the hands of the Nazis, what they would have done with it.
[49:31.430 --> 49:33.310]  And we're seeing that happen now.
[49:33.470 --> 49:37.030]  We're seeing what happens when evil people get their hands on high technology.
[49:37.030 --> 49:39.010]  So we need to have a plan for that as well.
[49:39.090 --> 49:40.510]  We need to know how to counter that.
[49:40.610 --> 49:48.070]  We need to know how to be able to take back this power if it is misused and abused.
[49:48.070 --> 49:52.510]  Hey, we're out of time now, but we can continue this conversation on overtime.
[49:52.710 --> 49:58.210]  To get to overtime, all you have to do is go to YouTube and find Channel 2600.
[49:58.770 --> 49:59.850]  It's one of the channels up there.
[49:59.930 --> 50:02.870]  YouTube.com slash Channel 2600 will get you there.
[50:03.110 --> 50:12.290]  Or you can just, with one click, click on the little square on top of the 2600.com web page and meet us over there.
[50:13.230 --> 50:14.810]  Rob, were you at the meeting last week?
[50:15.070 --> 50:16.930]  Was there a meeting last week, 2600 meeting?
[50:17.430 --> 50:19.010]  There was a meeting last week.
[50:19.170 --> 50:19.930]  I was not there.
[50:20.110 --> 50:21.130]  I was out of town.
[50:21.350 --> 50:24.230]  But I'm told it happened.
[50:24.470 --> 50:25.610]  I'm told it was enjoyed.
[50:26.050 --> 50:26.330]  All right.
[50:26.410 --> 50:26.850]  Well, that's good.
[50:28.150 --> 50:31.290]  So there won't be meetings this weekend, but first Friday of every month.
[50:31.910 --> 50:32.910]  And they're coming back.
[50:33.030 --> 50:34.630]  There's more and more and more of them.
[50:35.370 --> 50:36.050]  Write to us.
[50:36.270 --> 50:39.050]  O-T-H at 2600.com.
[50:39.350 --> 50:40.670]  We will see you in a few minutes.
[50:40.810 --> 50:43.810]  8 o'clock over on YouTube Channel 2600.
[50:43.950 --> 50:44.130]  Good night.
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[51:43.970 --> 51:47.550]  We are back.
[52:14.150 --> 52:18.370]  River the gums naked and there's bodies in the street.
[52:19.170 --> 52:22.770]  Hacked in the sun, slum and strass straight for me.
[52:23.910 --> 52:27.710]  Pink dollop in house and people on the street.
[52:28.510 --> 52:32.230]  Hacked in the sun, shape of fallen dead.
[52:32.950 --> 52:36.750]  And this year in the sand, the drunken bandits fell asleep.
[52:37.530 --> 52:41.990]  Three months of freedom, a future take from the law.
[52:42.690 --> 52:46.690]  Got to take him alive, shame, murder no more.
[52:47.190 --> 52:51.470]  Bless their children, unite them for push-ups.
[52:52.090 --> 52:55.790]  Fly their cops as warning, their kids never quit.
[52:56.670 --> 53:00.590]  So she lies by compassion, yet the crime is occupation.
[53:01.090 --> 53:05.310]  King bandit, old president, or the central nation.
[53:10.580 --> 53:12.760]  Raperies to rapazes aparentando.
[53:12.980 --> 53:13.580]  Diga 14.
[53:15.490 --> 53:19.690]  As victimas apresentam varias perfurrações de bala por todo o corpo.
[53:21.130 --> 53:21.890]  Está me perguntando?
[53:23.070 --> 53:25.790]  Sua excelente corregidor forrando sacos delegados.
[53:26.330 --> 53:27.130]  O que que você pensa?
[53:29.810 --> 53:32.530]  Diga 14 e 15 anos de idade.
[53:38.580 --> 53:41.340]  Sua excelente corregidor forrando sacos delegados.
[53:41.700 --> 53:42.340]  Rasconha.
[53:42.340 --> 53:45.660]  ...I am sorry, this is the second one.
[54:01.330 --> 54:02.470]  You are now in Spider-Man.
[54:03.990 --> 54:05.930]  You are the leader...
[54:39.340 --> 54:40.840]  ...You are the leader...
[54:40.860 --> 54:42.660]  And sopa...
[54:46.120 --> 54:46.840]  Junior...
[54:46.840 --> 54:48.060]  Portou bem por dentro.
[54:48.480 --> 54:49.160]  Ainda Junior.
[54:49.400 --> 54:50.220]  Pra careca!
[54:50.540 --> 54:51.380]  Tira pro gol!
[54:52.260 --> 54:52.980]  Bateu!
[54:53.480 --> 54:54.600]  Caio, soco da disc!
[54:55.440 --> 54:56.160]  Goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool!
[00:01.000 --> 00:02.980]  And here we are on YouTube.
[00:03.400 --> 00:05.080]  At least we hope we're on YouTube.
[00:06.840 --> 00:07.720]  Off the hook.
[00:08.600 --> 00:09.060]  Overtime.
[00:09.160 --> 00:09.980]  Emmanuel over here.
[00:10.840 --> 00:12.540]  There's Kyle on the other side of the room.
[00:13.060 --> 00:14.500]  I am on the other side.
[00:14.800 --> 00:16.980]  And we have Rob T.
[00:17.120 --> 00:17.520]  Firefly.
[00:18.640 --> 00:19.620]  I'm on this side.
[00:19.800 --> 00:20.720]  And we have Gila.
[00:21.120 --> 00:22.240]  I'm on this side.
[00:22.400 --> 00:23.360]  We have Alex.
[00:23.880 --> 00:24.700]  Hello, we're here.
[00:24.960 --> 00:26.000]  And are we connected, Rob?
[00:26.600 --> 00:28.260]  We are connected and we're sounding good.
[00:28.260 --> 00:29.000]  Are we sounding good?
[00:29.080 --> 00:31.900]  Because every time we do YouTube, our levels are low.
[00:32.200 --> 00:32.980]  They're always different.
[00:33.120 --> 00:35.880]  We find that about 10 minutes or 20 minutes into the show.
[00:36.580 --> 00:41.820]  We're trying... We're going to shout a little bit, but we're trying just to raise them a little bit and keep it that way.
[00:41.960 --> 00:43.600]  This is the week we find the sweet spot.
[00:43.720 --> 00:49.880]  So if you're a listener that feels it's not enough, of course, you can call us and complain because that's what it's all about.
[00:51.220 --> 00:52.980]  Good discussion over the last hour.
[00:53.060 --> 00:55.080]  I wanted to talk about another story we didn't get to.
[00:55.080 --> 01:00.460]  And that's the whole Lord of the Rings thing that's been going on.
[01:00.880 --> 01:02.120]  Oh, my God.
[01:02.660 --> 01:03.180]  Yeah.
[01:03.560 --> 01:13.860]  So apparently a lot of people are having hissy fits over the fact that there's diversity in Lord of the Rings.
[01:14.440 --> 01:28.800]  To quote British actor Sir Lenny Henry, who is one of the stars of the Rings of Power, that's the show that's on Amazon, which is... it continues the Lord of the Rings universe.
[01:29.400 --> 01:39.220]  They have no trouble believing in a dragon, but they do have trouble believing that a black person could be a member of a court or that a black person could be a hobbit or an elf.
[01:40.160 --> 01:41.120]  So, yeah.
[01:42.980 --> 01:46.300]  People are upset on Amazon.
[01:46.520 --> 01:51.100]  Amazon Prime is the network that is broadcasting this show.
[01:52.740 --> 02:02.080]  It's getting good reviews, except the haters out there are basically doing what's known as review bombing.
[02:02.360 --> 02:04.240]  Is anybody familiar with the term review bombing?
[02:04.400 --> 02:05.320]  Because I hadn't heard it before.
[02:05.720 --> 02:05.940]  Anybody?
[02:06.120 --> 02:06.540]  Oh, yes.
[02:06.820 --> 02:08.020]  Tell us something about that.
[02:08.760 --> 02:32.780]  Review bombing is when people who find themselves in a hissy fit about some detail about a piece of pop culture, like the fact that this new Lord of the Rings project has people of color in prominent roles, they will organize efforts to flood the listings on sites like IMDB or Rotten Tomatoes with negative reviews and,
[02:32.780 --> 02:38.300]  uh, therefore give the, give the, uh, thing a low rating on, uh, the algorithms that these systems use.
[02:39.380 --> 02:39.820]  Okay.
[02:39.900 --> 02:40.540]  Yeah, I see that.
[02:40.660 --> 02:42.220]  On IMDB, I see that a lot.
[02:42.460 --> 02:52.560]  Uh, basically, uh, programs that I think are, are good or movies that I think are good and they get lousy ratings because somebody thinks it's too woke or, or other words like that.
[02:52.560 --> 03:00.420]  And by the same token, other things that are kind of dumb sometimes, um, they get bolstered.
[03:00.520 --> 03:06.980]  They get higher ratings, uh, because it's something different than what people think is the norm.
[03:06.980 --> 03:11.440]  And so it's just, yeah, it's manipulation, another type of manipulation.
[03:11.740 --> 03:20.980]  I think of like Yelp reviews too, like, uh, um, distinctly restaurants getting, getting attacked by unhappy customers.
[03:20.980 --> 03:39.460]  I guess also in the sort of, uh, cuisine reviewing world, there's, there's an equivalent perhaps, but, um, bad reviews on those online, uh, uh, uh, sites for, for establishment services and, and stuff, you could really take a toll on your business because,
[03:39.960 --> 03:50.480]  uh, a lot of them rely on one or the other of these big, um, uh, search sites for, for those kinds of, uh, brick and mortar retail stores, but it's the same principle.
[03:50.660 --> 03:54.340]  It's another, it's another example of trying to equalize everybody.
[03:54.340 --> 04:03.980]  You know, you have, you have food critics, people who are paid to go from one place to another and evaluate what is being served and, and the quality, they know something about this.
[04:04.180 --> 04:05.900]  They, they likely went to school for this.
[04:06.520 --> 04:17.680]  And, um, their opinion is basically being equal to the opinion of, you know, any one of us, uh, who may have had a bad day or may not even gone to the place in the, in the first place.
[04:17.760 --> 04:35.680]  And that's the thing with, um, with, with, with Yelp is that you never know what the person actually did if they're just there to, um, uh, to, uh, give a bad review so that, you know, we, we've heard this from people who own restaurants that basically Yelp tries to intimidate them into buying services,
[04:35.680 --> 04:39.300]  uh, that I guess, I don't know what the services would do.
[04:39.400 --> 04:40.040]  Do you remember this Kyle?
[04:40.180 --> 04:50.560]  That they would, um, uh, lessen the effect of bad reviews or, or have some kind of, um, um, reputation of, uh, uh, cleaner or something.
[04:50.820 --> 04:57.100]  I think anyone who owns a restaurant and, and, and feel free to go out there and talk to people on restaurants, they will have Yelp stories.
[04:57.280 --> 05:00.860]  They'll have stories about how they're being pressured by Yelp to, to buy something.
[05:01.060 --> 05:10.140]  Uh, they upsell them to get better, I guess, uh, placement or some kind of premium, um, listing alongside other things.
[05:10.320 --> 05:18.700]  And, and then of course there's, uh, uh, getting reviews that are erroneous removed is probably itself a, a harrowing process.
[05:18.700 --> 05:31.100]  I've seen reviews of restaurants on Yelp where, you know, somebody just got like a, a, a speeding ticket or they, they, uh, you know, they have like some kind of health issue and they take it out on the restaurant.
[05:31.800 --> 05:34.060]  I was in a bad mood and they didn't make me feel any better.
[05:34.140 --> 05:36.400]  So I'm giving it a one out of 10 or whatever.
[05:37.360 --> 05:44.000]  And you see the same thing on, on IMDB and all kinds of other places where, okay, uh, you know, you're reviewing a TV program.
[05:44.360 --> 05:45.800]  I don't understand the premise.
[05:45.940 --> 05:48.440]  If you don't understand the premise, why the hell are you reviewing the show?
[05:48.620 --> 05:50.540]  And why is your review count for anything?
[05:51.580 --> 05:54.660]  Or, or people basically say, I didn't laugh a single time.
[05:54.820 --> 05:56.540]  It's like, well, maybe this isn't the show for you.
[05:56.640 --> 06:00.360]  Why, why are you reviewing a show that obviously doesn't cater to your interests?
[06:00.420 --> 06:05.920]  The people who understand it, who appreciate it, they should be the ones to say, did they do a good job or not?
[06:06.380 --> 06:09.080]  And, uh, then you get the political things coming in.
[06:09.300 --> 06:22.400]  I saw, I saw, um, um, there's an episode of, I think young Sheldon where he was discussing, um, uh, in church, he was, he was debating the pastor in church and somebody didn't like that because they're creationists.
[06:22.560 --> 06:25.260]  So they gave it a one out of 10 because they don't believe in evolution.
[06:26.080 --> 06:27.520]  Why should that count?
[06:27.720 --> 06:29.560]  But it does, it does.
[06:29.680 --> 06:33.820]  And it actually is something that, that bothers the people behind these shows and movies.
[06:34.020 --> 06:39.860]  They, they see the numbers, they see some of these reviews and a lot of them are moronic.
[06:40.040 --> 06:52.340]  If, if you read the comments, you know who the big enemy always is in any movie or TV show in the comments, the enemy are the writers because the writers don't understand the writers get it wrong.
[06:52.500 --> 06:53.680]  The writers are ruining the show.
[06:53.920 --> 06:55.300]  The writers are driving it into the ground.
[06:55.460 --> 06:58.740]  The writers created the damn thing and they're the enemy.
[06:58.860 --> 07:01.540]  They're jealous of the writers because they didn't create a show.
[07:01.660 --> 07:02.920]  They probably haven't created anything.
[07:03.600 --> 07:09.760]  But, but if you look at the reviews, it's always the writers did this, the writers And then there's the fake scenarios.
[07:09.960 --> 07:13.020]  Oh, the writers obviously are being paid to do this.
[07:13.200 --> 07:16.660]  Or the actors, another big enemy, they've given up.
[07:16.700 --> 07:17.840]  And you can see it in their eyes.
[07:18.200 --> 07:20.080]  And they just come up with these fake scenarios.
[07:20.080 --> 07:21.640]  And they run with that.
[07:21.660 --> 07:23.960]  And they basically tell themselves that they could do a better job.
[07:24.060 --> 07:30.360]  And then they resent it when the plot twist that they thought of doesn't happen, because it probably was a stupid idea anyway.
[07:30.940 --> 07:32.440]  And they go in a different direction.
[07:32.720 --> 07:36.680]  And that is basically worthy of giving them the worst review possible.
[07:37.300 --> 07:39.000]  That's the system we have now.
[07:39.260 --> 07:40.240]  It ain't right.
[07:40.580 --> 07:41.140]  Sorry.
[07:41.360 --> 07:42.260]  I'll sit down now.
[07:43.260 --> 07:45.000]  And it's not just movies and things.
[07:45.300 --> 08:04.580]  The idea of online reviews being used as a weapon is rampant in other scenes, like online artists who make their livings taking art commissions online, selling their artwork, and so on, constantly find themselves basically messaged by people who want free artwork or deep discounts or things like that.
[08:04.580 --> 08:16.240]  And when, like most reasonable business people, the artist declines, they say, well, then I'm going to give you a bad review on whatever site they're using to sell their services or things.
[08:17.200 --> 08:19.780]  And it's basically used as a threat.
[08:20.120 --> 08:31.200]  And, you know, it's averting the actual point of reviews, where, you know, you want to let people know what kind of experience you had with a business or with a person or with a show or whatever.
[08:31.400 --> 08:33.240]  But, you know, it's all worthless nowadays.
[08:33.240 --> 08:36.060]  And I think we need to go back to just word of mouth.
[08:36.300 --> 08:37.900]  You know, you want a new show to watch?
[08:38.020 --> 08:40.780]  Ask your friends what they're watching, what they like.
[08:40.780 --> 09:03.220]  Like, it's a strange pileup of altruism, too, from the conceiving of these platforms, these ways to review, not necessarily thinking of them as something that would be completely subversive and meant to really do a lot more harm than spread the word about a particular piece of culture.
[09:03.920 --> 09:06.240]  You know, Robert, you just said that there was a great idea.
[09:06.420 --> 09:07.120]  Why don't we do just that?
[09:07.120 --> 09:13.360]  Why don't we go around the room, the virtual room, and tell each other what we think is good.
[09:13.620 --> 09:15.740]  You know, movies or TV shows or anything like that.
[09:15.820 --> 09:17.880]  And listeners as well, they can do the same thing.
[09:19.400 --> 09:20.260]  We can start with you.
[09:21.480 --> 09:22.500]  I'm not putting you on the spot.
[09:22.620 --> 09:23.620]  I just basically, it's a good idea.
[09:24.660 --> 09:24.900]  Okay.
[09:25.080 --> 09:30.460]  Well, we've been going through a show that came out some time ago called Sense8.
[09:30.680 --> 09:32.260]  Okay, you can't do a Wii.
[09:32.420 --> 09:33.120]  You're an individual.
[09:33.400 --> 09:34.640]  Gila's going to have to do two of her own.
[09:35.360 --> 09:35.900]  Okay, well.
[09:35.900 --> 09:37.040]  So get ready, Gila.
[09:37.560 --> 09:43.600]  This is something that I enjoyed long ago, and I've been re-watching now, and Gila's been re-watching it with me for the first time.
[09:43.780 --> 09:45.500]  But I enjoyed it when it was new.
[09:45.700 --> 09:46.720]  I'm enjoying it now.
[09:46.880 --> 09:48.800]  I'm also watching a lot of old Doctor Who as well.
[09:49.640 --> 09:51.160]  Doctor Who was a thing you're watching.
[09:52.020 --> 09:53.620]  Yes, Doctor Who is a thing I'm watching.
[09:53.880 --> 09:59.600]  Doctor Who is also a thing that angered a certain segment of its audience when it cast a woman as the main character.
[09:59.600 --> 10:00.260]  How dare they?
[10:00.260 --> 10:02.000]  And a person of color is the main character.
[10:02.360 --> 10:03.080]  A woman doctor.
[10:03.200 --> 10:04.140]  A person of color doctor.
[10:04.240 --> 10:06.240]  Oh, this doesn't make any sense.
[10:06.820 --> 10:07.180]  Wow.
[10:07.400 --> 10:07.800]  So that's...
[10:07.800 --> 10:08.620]  Okay, Doctor Who is one.
[10:08.680 --> 10:11.780]  Do you have any other TV show or movie you want to recommend?
[10:13.080 --> 10:14.340]  Any other TV show or movie?
[10:14.740 --> 10:16.120]  It's hard when you have to think of it.
[10:16.700 --> 10:17.660]  Rowan and Martin's laughing.
[10:18.160 --> 10:19.340]  A surprising amount of it holds up.
[10:19.340 --> 10:20.520]  From the 1960s?
[10:20.680 --> 10:21.080]  Okay.
[10:21.220 --> 10:21.440]  Yeah.
[10:21.800 --> 10:22.800]  Where do you...
[10:22.800 --> 10:30.560]  Okay, where do you see something like that where it's not completely destroyed by graphics on the screen and bugs and commercials and things like that?
[10:30.580 --> 10:32.960]  Is there a place you can get episodes of that?
[10:33.580 --> 10:36.640]  It's currently streaming on Amazon, Amazon Prime.
[10:36.840 --> 10:37.180]  Oh, okay.
[10:37.220 --> 10:39.360]  And they have a good copy of it.
[10:39.640 --> 10:40.680]  It's good quality.
[10:41.480 --> 10:46.900]  Looks, you know, crisp and pristine and is not interrupted by bugs or things.
[10:47.060 --> 10:48.900]  The captions do tend to be hilarious.
[10:49.340 --> 10:52.900]  Um, about half the time they make no sense at all.
[10:53.100 --> 10:53.880]  There was...
[10:53.880 --> 11:00.700]  Every week on the intro, Gary Owens would finish and saying, and Morgul the friendly drelb.
[11:01.080 --> 11:05.000]  And it differs from episode to episode how that gets captioned.
[11:05.120 --> 11:06.020]  It's amazing.
[11:06.480 --> 11:06.940]  Uh-huh.
[11:07.120 --> 11:07.340]  Okay.
[11:07.720 --> 11:09.180]  And this leads us to you, Gila.
[11:09.300 --> 11:11.640]  Tell us a couple of things that you think are good.
[11:12.020 --> 11:17.840]  Um, I am definitely enjoying RuPaul's Drag Race from around the world.
[11:17.840 --> 11:20.920]  Uh, Drag Race Down Under is a lot of fun.
[11:21.300 --> 11:23.280]  Canada's Drag Race is a lot of fun.
[11:23.860 --> 11:26.700]  Secret Celebrity Drag Race is terrible, but I love it.
[11:27.500 --> 11:31.900]  Um, oh, I'm getting my drag fix all over the place.
[11:31.900 --> 11:32.640]  And it's fantastic.
[11:32.900 --> 11:35.600]  We saw a drag race over the winter, over the weekend, didn't we, Kyle?
[11:36.320 --> 11:37.200]  Over in Portland?
[11:37.600 --> 11:38.720]  What race was that?
[11:40.060 --> 11:41.320]  Uh, a drag race?
[11:41.320 --> 11:42.100]  Yeah, it was a drag race.
[11:42.180 --> 11:43.640]  It was all the cars going around in circles.
[11:44.060 --> 11:46.020]  Oh, uh, yeah.
[11:46.400 --> 11:47.000]  What was it called?
[11:47.260 --> 11:48.320]  You told me about it.
[11:48.880 --> 11:50.140]  It wasn't Indy 500.
[11:50.140 --> 11:50.900]  It wasn't NASCAR.
[11:51.020 --> 11:51.620]  It was something else.
[11:51.760 --> 11:52.000]  It was funny.
[11:52.000 --> 11:53.480]  Are you talking about illegal street racing?
[11:53.640 --> 11:56.580]  No, it was on ESPN or something.
[11:57.440 --> 11:58.000]  Never mind.
[11:58.220 --> 11:58.640]  Um, IndyCar?
[11:58.960 --> 11:59.320]  IndyCar.
[11:59.500 --> 11:59.860]  Was that...
[11:59.860 --> 12:00.960]  No, it was something else.
[12:01.040 --> 12:01.920]  Something that's big in Europe.
[12:02.120 --> 12:02.380]  Yeah, yeah.
[12:02.420 --> 12:03.300]  It's not big here.
[12:03.700 --> 12:07.540]  Well, they tour all over, but yeah, there was an IndyCar race in Portland.
[12:07.620 --> 12:08.120]  Is that what it's called?
[12:08.120 --> 12:08.480]  IndyCar?
[12:08.580 --> 12:09.420]  I thought it was called something else.
[12:09.420 --> 12:11.140]  Yeah, no, it's IndyCar.
[12:11.380 --> 12:11.660]  Okay.
[12:12.140 --> 12:14.100]  How do they keep the wigs and nails on at that speed?
[12:14.100 --> 12:14.640]  I don't know.
[12:14.840 --> 12:15.440]  That's an excellent question.
[12:15.440 --> 12:16.920]  I don't think that's drag strip racing.
[12:16.920 --> 12:17.880]  How do they keep the lashes on?
[12:18.720 --> 12:20.180]  She didn't say drag strip racing.
[12:20.240 --> 12:20.960]  She said drag racing.
[12:21.160 --> 12:23.120]  Yeah, I don't think it's the same kind of racing.
[12:23.380 --> 12:24.980]  Well, that's your opinion, isn't it?
[12:25.240 --> 12:25.640]  Wow.
[12:25.860 --> 12:26.100]  Okay.
[12:26.180 --> 12:26.900]  Yeah, you know what?
[12:26.900 --> 12:28.440]  I don't understand cars.
[12:28.920 --> 12:30.660]  I don't know anything about it.
[12:30.820 --> 12:32.360]  Okay, Gaila, you have one more.
[12:32.820 --> 12:33.360]  I have one more.
[12:33.460 --> 12:40.320]  Okay, so this is situational and interesting, but we spent last weekend...
[12:40.320 --> 12:47.720]  The reason that we were not able to be at the 2600 meeting is because we were out of town with family at a bar mitzvah.
[12:48.180 --> 12:54.800]  And the bar mitzvah party was Sunday afternoon at a place called Topgolf, where I had never been.
[12:54.800 --> 13:04.020]  But I discovered that it is very soothing watching people just hit golf balls.
[13:04.620 --> 13:06.620]  Not playing golf, just hitting golf balls.
[13:06.640 --> 13:10.060]  Yeah, whacking golf balls is actually very therapeutic.
[13:11.700 --> 13:13.400]  I did it at the very end.
[13:13.640 --> 13:15.560]  I'm really bad at it.
[13:15.600 --> 13:15.880]  Uh-huh.
[13:16.900 --> 13:21.740]  But it was a lot of fun, but also just watching people hitting golf balls.
[13:22.040 --> 13:22.640]  It's great.
[13:22.760 --> 13:25.100]  This is like, it's the batting cages for golf.
[13:25.660 --> 13:27.220]  Except the ball's not coming at you.
[13:27.620 --> 13:29.020]  Except the ball's not coming at you.
[13:29.020 --> 13:37.600]  You have to, you know, hit a little sensor, and then it gives you a ball, and then you hit the ball, and it tracks it somehow, and you get points.
[13:39.220 --> 13:40.560]  And can you redeem those points?
[13:42.340 --> 13:44.140]  Only for the satisfaction of a job well done.
[13:44.420 --> 13:45.240]  Oh, I hate that.
[13:45.820 --> 13:46.600]  Alex, your turn.
[13:48.660 --> 13:50.320]  Oh, what am I doing here?
[13:50.320 --> 13:55.340]  I mean, I'm rereading the decline and fall of the Roman Empire again.
[13:55.640 --> 13:56.120]  No books.
[13:56.340 --> 13:56.860]  No books.
[13:57.220 --> 13:58.460]  We're talking about media here.
[13:58.540 --> 14:01.420]  We're talking about electronic media, movies and TV shows.
[14:02.000 --> 14:02.520]  Two things.
[14:02.640 --> 14:06.520]  I started watching something on Amazon Prime called To the Stars.
[14:06.880 --> 14:07.640]  Have you heard of this?
[14:08.160 --> 14:09.140]  It's a new series.
[14:09.460 --> 14:11.740]  Is that when Ralph Cramden really threatened Alice?
[14:12.940 --> 14:14.120]  That's right, yeah.
[14:14.880 --> 14:16.800]  Pass the moon into the stars.
[14:17.160 --> 14:17.920]  Into the stars, yeah.
[14:18.180 --> 14:18.820]  That's not funny.
[14:18.820 --> 14:22.120]  It is about a husband and wife, older couple, though.
[14:22.300 --> 14:22.600]  All right.
[14:22.860 --> 14:35.560]  That in the sort of bottom basement area of their shed, this hidden area of their shed, is a portal that can take them to another world, like another planet.
[14:35.700 --> 14:36.680]  And they don't understand it.
[14:36.780 --> 14:42.460]  But they've been going on this trip to this other world and essentially just looking out the window for many, many years.
[14:42.780 --> 14:48.540]  And then they come back, and it's about unraveling the mystery of this portal to another world.
[14:48.820 --> 14:50.160]  And it's quite interesting.
[14:50.280 --> 14:52.480]  The characters, I feel like, are very well-drawn.
[14:52.880 --> 15:00.020]  And I like series that have a lot of dialogue and well-drawn characters.
[15:00.160 --> 15:02.780]  I don't like everybody to be completely virtuous.
[15:03.960 --> 15:07.440]  Everyone's got, you know, their faults and motives.
[15:07.620 --> 15:08.740]  That was pretty interesting.
[15:08.940 --> 15:18.480]  And then another one that I like that has really despicable characters in it as well is Industry on HBO, which is set in London.
[15:19.060 --> 15:19.900]  Yeah, it's called Industry.
[15:20.300 --> 15:22.380]  And it's a new series.
[15:22.380 --> 15:28.520]  It came out, I think, during the pandemic of 2020, the early days of the pandemic.
[15:28.520 --> 15:29.460]  It was the first series.
[15:29.640 --> 15:33.460]  So it's Series 2, Season 2 on HBO.
[15:33.460 --> 15:52.740]  And it's about a group of young people, kind of recent college graduates in London that go and work for a bank called PurePoint that's full of, you know, absolutely horrible, despicable people climbing up the greasy pole, trying to make money, stab each other in the back.
[15:53.860 --> 15:55.600]  And, yeah, it's excellent.
[15:55.600 --> 15:58.440]  I think it's a pretty great series.
[15:58.440 --> 16:04.100]  And, again, you know, the characters are completely flawed individuals and believable.
[16:05.120 --> 16:05.760]  Cool.
[16:06.120 --> 16:06.920]  Okay, my turn.
[16:07.660 --> 16:14.760]  Well, I'm going to say, this is probably something a lot of people know about already, but Schitt's Creek is probably one of the best shows I've ever seen.
[16:15.160 --> 16:23.040]  I say that because occasionally it comes up late at night, you see an episode coming on, and they never get old.
[16:23.200 --> 16:26.300]  You can just sit through the episode a hundred times.
[16:26.440 --> 16:27.460]  It's still funny every time.
[16:27.580 --> 16:29.700]  I know very few programs I can do that with.
[16:30.240 --> 16:32.680]  So, and I can't say Schitt's Creek on the radio.
[16:32.800 --> 16:38.160]  At least I don't think I can because they don't know how it's spelled S-C-H-I-T-T apostrophe S.
[16:38.760 --> 16:45.720]  In fact, if you watch it on Colbert, every time he says it when he has a star from the show on, they have to have a caption.
[16:45.840 --> 16:49.660]  Whenever he says Schitt's Creek, it has to spell it right because it's CBS and that's how they are.
[16:50.240 --> 16:58.860]  But it's a great premise, kind of similar to Arrested Development's premise, but just done so much better of a family that has lost everything.
[16:59.480 --> 17:07.200]  And in this particular case, they basically settle in a town that the dad, played by Eugene Levy, bought as a joke.
[17:08.000 --> 17:15.100]  And the question as to why do you all actually go and buy the town instead of just pretending you bought the town because that was the joke.
[17:15.240 --> 17:16.420]  Buying the town was the joke.
[17:17.320 --> 17:18.740]  It's just an incredible dialogue.
[17:18.960 --> 17:19.940]  It's just really, really funny.
[17:20.040 --> 17:25.720]  And of course, his son Daniel Levy is an incredible writer as well and incredible actor.
[17:26.040 --> 17:27.360]  And you just see them all shine.
[17:27.500 --> 17:30.740]  There was not a single miscast character in that particular program.
[17:31.700 --> 17:33.540]  And I'm going to pick as my...
[17:33.540 --> 17:34.040]  Go ahead, Kira.
[17:34.120 --> 17:34.420]  Do you have something?
[17:34.900 --> 17:35.800]  Do you have the book?
[17:36.160 --> 17:37.240]  The book, Schitt's Creek?
[17:37.340 --> 17:37.940]  No, I don't have a...
[17:37.940 --> 17:38.780]  I didn't know there was a book.
[17:39.320 --> 17:39.960]  Keep talking.
[17:40.200 --> 17:40.420]  Okay.
[17:40.680 --> 17:41.180]  All right.
[17:41.380 --> 17:42.120]  I'll be right back.
[17:42.940 --> 17:44.440]  I have a feeling she's going to get the book.
[17:45.040 --> 17:47.980]  There's another Canadian show because, yes, Schitt's Creek is Canadian.
[17:48.200 --> 17:57.380]  And I can prove it, too, because occasionally you'll see in the town of Schitt's Creek on the small road, you'll see a speed limit sign that says 50, which is way too fast for a town.
[17:57.380 --> 17:59.760]  But in kilometers, that's about right.
[18:00.480 --> 18:05.640]  There's another show called Son of a Critch, which airs on CBC.
[18:05.820 --> 18:11.380]  Yeah, I realize some of these programs you can't get here in America, which makes no sense at all.
[18:11.520 --> 18:12.560]  It's in English.
[18:12.980 --> 18:14.340]  It stars...
[18:14.340 --> 18:16.820]  Who's the guy Clockwork Orange played?
[18:16.940 --> 18:18.200]  Alex, you know?
[18:18.340 --> 18:18.960]  Malcolm McDowell?
[18:19.080 --> 18:19.860]  Yeah, Malcolm McDowell.
[18:19.980 --> 18:21.900]  He plays a grandfather in this show.
[18:22.080 --> 18:23.100]  He's amazing.
[18:23.360 --> 18:25.440]  And the kid who plays...
[18:26.200 --> 18:29.840]  The Critch Kid, he is an incredible actor as well.
[18:30.020 --> 18:47.380]  I didn't realize this until after watching a bunch of episodes, is that this is an actual story written by somebody named Critch, who is a star on another Canadian show called 22 Minutes, which used to be called This Hour Has 22 Minutes, which is sort of a fake news program.
[18:47.640 --> 18:50.620]  And he's on that show, and I've known that face for years.
[18:50.620 --> 19:02.440]  I did not realize that he came from Newfoundland, and he has all these funny stories from his past of going to a Catholic school and dealing with all kinds of rituals of Newfoundland.
[19:02.820 --> 19:06.720]  Maybe that's why it's not airing in America, because they think it's too regional.
[19:06.720 --> 19:07.340]  It's not.
[19:07.480 --> 19:08.120]  It really is not.
[19:08.240 --> 19:08.900]  Seek it out.
[19:09.500 --> 19:10.580]  Look it up on YouTube.
[19:10.800 --> 19:11.380]  Son of a Critch.
[19:11.600 --> 19:12.480]  Great program.
[19:12.940 --> 19:13.560]  Recommend it.
[19:13.660 --> 19:18.620]  And you'll probably find a bunch of other things from Canada as well.
[19:18.980 --> 19:20.860]  You have a book, Gila.
[19:20.860 --> 19:21.280]  Wow.
[19:21.920 --> 19:23.480]  I can't read what it says.
[19:23.720 --> 19:29.460]  It's called Best Wishes, Warmest Regards, The Story of Schitt's Creek.
[19:29.660 --> 19:30.160]  Oh, wow.
[19:30.220 --> 19:32.300]  It's by Dan and Eugene Levy.
[19:32.620 --> 19:36.260]  There is a little essay by each of the actors about their characters.
[19:36.260 --> 19:37.260]  There's maps.
[19:37.460 --> 19:38.420]  There's fan art.
[19:38.580 --> 19:39.320]  There's charts.
[19:39.540 --> 19:40.320]  There's stories.
[19:41.100 --> 19:45.340]  If you are a fan of the show, I cannot recommend the book enough.
[19:46.000 --> 19:52.300]  Well, Kyle and I actually drove to the town where they do the filming, or they did the filming because the show did end a couple of years ago.
[19:52.880 --> 19:54.300]  And it's incredible.
[19:54.600 --> 19:56.400]  Four corners, every corner had something.
[19:56.540 --> 19:58.220]  Well, actually, three corners had something for the show.
[19:58.560 --> 20:02.860]  The fourth corner had an amazing cafe that I imagine everybody went to between scenes.
[20:02.880 --> 20:05.400]  It was really a nice trip to go there.
[20:05.660 --> 20:06.920]  Okay, Kyle, it's your turn now.
[20:07.140 --> 20:07.580]  All right.
[20:07.720 --> 20:09.080]  I've had so much time.
[20:09.280 --> 20:11.680]  I have a lot of things that come to mind.
[20:11.860 --> 20:15.620]  You were consulting books and making phone calls and all sorts of things.
[20:15.720 --> 20:16.240]  Called a friend.
[20:17.620 --> 20:19.180]  What exactly was the question?
[20:19.340 --> 20:21.620]  Is it a recent show or just something you admire?
[20:21.620 --> 20:23.600]  Well, I just picked one that hasn't been on the air in a couple of years.
[20:23.600 --> 20:24.420]  Yeah, I was going to say.
[20:24.420 --> 20:25.660]  And it can be a foreign show, too.
[20:25.760 --> 20:26.360]  So there you go.
[20:26.660 --> 20:30.500]  Okay, well, my two were The Expanse and Hackerville.
[20:31.280 --> 20:31.640]  Okay.
[20:31.900 --> 20:32.320]  All right.
[20:32.480 --> 20:32.860]  All right.
[20:33.000 --> 20:37.200]  And my backup is The Americans and I have a couple more.
[20:37.340 --> 20:38.740]  I have notes on The Expanse.
[20:38.840 --> 20:39.820]  The Expanse was a great show.
[20:39.960 --> 20:40.940]  I loved The Expanse.
[20:41.020 --> 20:42.520]  But then it turned into the Naomi show.
[20:42.740 --> 20:43.100]  Yeah.
[20:43.100 --> 20:46.160]  The last couple of seasons, Naomi gets locked in the bathroom for the entire season.
[20:46.560 --> 20:48.760]  It was, you know, really too much.
[20:48.860 --> 20:50.560]  I have similar notes about The Americans.
[20:51.160 --> 20:53.340]  Yeah, and Americans kind of lost its way as well.
[20:53.460 --> 20:56.120]  And I don't want to be one of these people saying, well, the writers didn't know what they were doing.
[20:56.420 --> 20:57.380]  No, they knew what they were doing.
[20:57.400 --> 20:58.540]  I just didn't like what they did.
[20:58.640 --> 20:59.080]  It went.
[20:59.340 --> 21:00.680]  Yeah, but I accepted it.
[21:00.820 --> 21:04.460]  I'm one of those people that accepts the last season of Game of Thrones.
[21:05.040 --> 21:08.900]  It's not my story, you know, but this is how you chose to tell it.
[21:09.000 --> 21:10.400]  And okay, you know, interesting.
[21:11.020 --> 21:12.940]  Maybe I would have gone a different way if I had the opportunity.
[21:13.400 --> 21:20.840]  But I'm going to try and appreciate this just like I tried to appreciate, you know, the last episode of Lost, you know, or how The Sopranos ended.
[21:21.080 --> 21:24.280]  Every single time there's an ending to a show, people are angry about it.
[21:24.380 --> 21:26.640]  I remember the ending of St. Elsewhere in the 1980s.
[21:26.760 --> 21:32.400]  You know, people were upset that it was all the figment of an autistic kid's imagination.
[21:33.020 --> 21:34.040]  Okay, I've ruined the show.
[21:34.120 --> 21:34.380]  I'm sorry.
[21:35.580 --> 21:38.700]  Tell us something about the other show you picked.
[21:40.420 --> 21:43.840]  Hackerville is set in, I think, Romania.
[21:44.320 --> 21:44.680]  Romania, yeah.
[21:44.680 --> 21:45.440]  We did see that.
[21:45.620 --> 21:56.100]  And it is sort of about an investigative team tracking a hacker who turns out to be sort of your quintessential teenage hacker.
[21:56.820 --> 22:02.760]  And it was really, really interesting to see their take on how that all should, you know, be.
[22:03.040 --> 22:09.500]  That kid, by the way, you're looking it up now, but that kid who plays the Romanian hacker in Hackerville, and it is worth checking out.
[22:09.500 --> 22:14.580]  It's a funny show because at one point he gets angry and makes somebody's phone blow up, literally.
[22:15.740 --> 22:25.160]  Apart from that, great scenery and dialogue that's as good as any other hacker show with the exception of Mr. Robot, obviously, which I probably should have mentioned.
[22:26.600 --> 22:31.820]  But that kid actually is an incredible singer, and I think that's where his true future lies.
[22:32.320 --> 22:32.960]  Do you have a name?
[22:33.120 --> 22:33.640]  Did you...
[22:33.640 --> 22:35.080]  Were you able to find the kid's name?
[22:36.340 --> 22:42.080]  It would be probably the first first star or...
[22:44.460 --> 22:44.900]  Votu...
[22:44.900 --> 22:47.080]  V-O-I-C-U...
[22:47.080 --> 22:47.440]  Uh-huh.
[22:49.260 --> 22:49.700]  Dumitras.
[22:50.220 --> 22:52.000]  D-U-M-I-T-R-A-S.
[22:52.080 --> 22:53.220]  Let's make sure that's the right person.
[22:53.640 --> 22:54.760]  Oh, yeah, it is.
[22:54.840 --> 22:55.500]  It's chippy.
[22:55.640 --> 22:56.260]  Okay, cool.
[22:56.660 --> 23:00.540]  Anyway, it's just cool to see a foreign language hacker-themed show.
[23:01.080 --> 23:01.820]  I don't know.
[23:01.820 --> 23:04.560]  I caught up with it late and...
[23:04.560 --> 23:06.420]  You saw that HBO Max, I think, had that.
[23:06.540 --> 23:07.040]  Yeah, you could...
[23:07.040 --> 23:07.920]  You can find some gems.
[23:08.180 --> 23:15.040]  There are some really good shows that are on HBO that are made in other countries like Latin America, for instance.
[23:15.400 --> 23:17.460]  And, okay, worst case, you have subtitles.
[23:17.640 --> 23:18.040]  Big deal.
[23:18.520 --> 23:19.580]  There's one program.
[23:19.700 --> 23:27.280]  I forget the name of it, but it translates to Son of a Bitch in Portuguese, I believe.
[23:27.440 --> 23:30.520]  It's about a football referee.
[23:30.540 --> 23:31.700]  It's about his life.
[23:32.400 --> 23:35.920]  And it's a great series, and I recommend that, but it's very, very hard to find.
[23:36.360 --> 23:36.700]  Yes, Kila?
[23:37.000 --> 23:39.020]  Is it still on HBO?
[23:39.280 --> 23:40.540]  I don't know if it is.
[23:41.000 --> 23:45.680]  Because given the whole content purge that's been going on there in the last couple of weeks...
[23:45.680 --> 23:46.520]  Well, tell us about that.
[23:47.580 --> 23:56.580]  So, as part of the switch between HBO Max, Discovery Plus, all that coming together, there has...
[23:56.580 --> 24:01.200]  A lot of content has disappeared from HBO Max in the last couple weeks.
[24:01.200 --> 24:05.160]  Stuff that was made for HBO is no longer on that platform.
[24:05.380 --> 24:19.160]  HBO, which was also the sole streaming home of Sesame Street, dropped 250 episodes from before HBO started being the distributor.
[24:19.400 --> 24:22.160]  So, classic Sesame Street, gone.
[24:22.380 --> 24:33.720]  And a bunch of stuff that was created for HBO is no longer active on the platform, which is a really good reminder to everyone that if you love something, you need your own physical copy.
[24:33.900 --> 24:37.980]  Do not rely on the streamers forever because no one knows what's going to happen.
[24:38.220 --> 24:38.520]  That's right.
[24:38.600 --> 24:39.840]  If you want it, you need to own it.
[24:39.940 --> 24:40.580]  They can change it.
[24:40.640 --> 24:41.300]  They can get rid of it.
[24:41.460 --> 24:46.480]  I gotta say, stuff that was made for HBO not being on HBO, that bothers me.
[24:46.900 --> 24:50.520]  Sesame Street, never really thought of it as belonging on HBO to start with.
[24:50.580 --> 24:52.720]  If it's available someplace, I'm fine with that.
[24:52.720 --> 24:54.280]  I don't watch Sesame Street, though.
[24:55.000 --> 25:00.220]  But, and I also don't understand why you can't watch a Sesame Street episode from the 1970s.
[25:00.320 --> 25:01.180]  What's changed?
[25:01.180 --> 25:01.980]  It's the numbers.
[25:02.120 --> 25:02.640]  It's the alphabet.
[25:02.900 --> 25:04.220]  It's all the same, pretty much.
[25:05.380 --> 25:07.880]  I mean, I could answer that question.
[25:07.980 --> 25:08.840]  Society has changed.
[25:08.980 --> 25:10.160]  I realize that, but...
[25:10.160 --> 25:11.180]  Society has changed.
[25:11.380 --> 25:13.100]  Education has changed.
[25:13.560 --> 25:15.880]  The goals of the show have changed.
[25:16.380 --> 25:21.460]  Also, the 1970s was a blissfully pre-Elmo time, and they try to hide that now.
[25:22.300 --> 25:25.400]  Well, I think that may be more of a reason to see what they did back then.
[25:27.060 --> 25:28.660]  Yeah, I guess that's pretty...
[25:28.660 --> 25:35.780]  Oh, you know, one show we didn't mention, which we should mention, is Reservation Dogs, which is an incredible program about Native American community in Oklahoma.
[25:36.800 --> 25:49.380]  Kyle and I found out about the show while we were driving through Oklahoma and just discovered we were in a town where they did filming for this particular program, fell in love with it, seen all of season one, and they're in the midst of season two now.
[25:49.380 --> 25:50.320]  I think it's on Hulu.
[25:51.180 --> 25:57.440]  And this weekend, we went to a powwow, actually, out on Long Island, the Sinicak powwow, which is pretty incredible.
[25:57.500 --> 25:57.820]  In fact...
[25:57.820 --> 25:58.840]  Largest on the East Coast?
[25:59.000 --> 26:02.820]  And I have the largest pack of kettle corn here that I got from there.
[26:03.800 --> 26:05.260]  Wait a minute, what are you doing with that?
[26:05.780 --> 26:07.140]  Well, it's really, really good.
[26:07.240 --> 26:08.220]  It's addictive, in fact.
[26:08.220 --> 26:09.300]  Watch where you're pointing that.
[26:09.300 --> 26:16.100]  And we had fry bread, which I recommend to anybody who might be interested in such things.
[26:16.500 --> 26:26.660]  You learn so much from all of these little dips into culture of one sort or another, whether it's Romanian hackers or Native American community or Canadian TV shows.
[26:27.480 --> 26:28.820]  Don't just follow the mainstream.
[26:29.040 --> 26:36.360]  And for God's sake, don't read the reviews and rely on that if they're reviews from people that really don't know what they're talking about.
[26:37.680 --> 26:39.160]  And there's so much stuff out there.
[26:39.860 --> 26:43.320]  You really, you could be an ambassador for a show no one's watching.
[26:43.820 --> 26:44.440]  That's true.
[26:44.600 --> 26:45.020]  That is true.
[26:45.340 --> 26:47.000]  Hey, I think our phone is ringing.
[26:47.840 --> 26:49.080]  You're a distant bell.
[26:49.720 --> 26:50.460]  You were right.
[26:50.480 --> 26:52.480]  I was falling short.
[26:52.600 --> 26:53.260]  Good evening.
[26:53.360 --> 26:54.840]  You're on Off the Hook Overtime.
[26:56.120 --> 26:56.560]  Yes.
[26:57.140 --> 26:57.880]  It's Rebel.
[26:58.360 --> 26:59.080]  I'd like to mention.
[26:59.280 --> 27:03.480]  Rebel, before you mention anything, can you tell us are our levels to your satisfaction this week?
[27:06.860 --> 27:10.500]  Our levels, our audio levels, are they to your satisfaction this week?
[27:11.500 --> 27:14.160]  Yeah, I could hear pretty loudly.
[27:14.460 --> 27:19.440]  But the point, the bad thing is is that when you call Google Voice, it cuts you off.
[27:19.940 --> 27:24.900]  You know, just like, actually, earlier than you, the telephone company cuts you off.
[27:24.920 --> 27:26.020]  Well, we can't control Google.
[27:26.940 --> 27:28.840]  We can't control Google at all.
[27:28.960 --> 27:29.700]  Believe me, we've tried.
[27:31.580 --> 27:33.120]  Right, you can't control Google.
[27:34.380 --> 27:36.940]  Unfortunately, you can't tell them to make it go longer.
[27:37.300 --> 27:38.060]  Uh-huh, uh-huh.
[27:39.700 --> 27:41.700]  But that's not what you called to tell us, is it?
[27:43.240 --> 27:43.920]  What is that?
[27:44.060 --> 27:45.700]  What sport are you playing this week, Rebel?
[27:46.480 --> 27:48.540]  Oh, no, no, no, not today.
[27:49.320 --> 27:53.200]  This is a Flushing, Main Street-bound 7 Express train.
[27:53.520 --> 27:56.600]  The next stop is Flamesboro Plaza.
[27:57.080 --> 27:58.980]  Rebel, we know exactly where you are now.
[28:01.880 --> 28:03.680]  Operatives will be there to meet you at the station.
[28:04.540 --> 28:04.680]  Wow.
[28:05.080 --> 28:05.520]  Yeah.
[28:06.220 --> 28:08.180]  Did that say it was an express train?
[28:09.080 --> 28:10.440]  Sounds like you're trying to make friends.
[28:10.500 --> 28:13.200]  I mean, they run until like 8.30 or something.
[28:13.420 --> 28:13.600]  Really?
[28:13.740 --> 28:16.080]  Well, you have a minute and 10 seconds left then.
[28:16.240 --> 28:18.060]  But that's a cool train.
[28:18.380 --> 28:18.820]  No.
[28:19.100 --> 28:25.200]  What's cool about that train, the 7 line, for those who don't know, it's a line that goes out to Flushing.
[28:25.700 --> 28:26.900]  There's three tracks.
[28:26.900 --> 28:35.660]  And in the morning, the express train heads to Manhattan and in the evening, the express train heads to Queens using that third track.
[28:36.000 --> 28:37.380]  It's incredible.
[28:37.960 --> 28:38.120]  Right.
[28:38.600 --> 28:43.020]  Yeah, and that concept was developed in the 20s when they built the line.
[28:43.180 --> 28:43.420]  Mm-hmm.
[28:43.720 --> 28:46.240]  And the train you're on has a diamond for the 7.
[28:46.360 --> 28:49.140]  The 7 is in a little purple diamond that indicates express.
[28:49.400 --> 28:51.180]  If it's in a circle, that indicates local.
[28:51.400 --> 28:52.460]  See all the things you're learning?
[28:52.460 --> 28:52.800]  Right.
[28:53.620 --> 28:53.980]  Right.
[28:54.200 --> 28:57.820]  For those not in New York City that maybe want to come to New York City and visit.
[28:58.220 --> 28:58.440]  Uh-huh.
[28:58.560 --> 28:58.900]  Yes.
[28:59.140 --> 28:59.500]  Yes.
[29:00.420 --> 29:03.660]  Anyway, what else is on your mind here?
[29:05.500 --> 29:06.000]  Let's see.
[29:06.060 --> 29:07.480]  I was going to tell you something this week.
[29:07.540 --> 29:07.900]  I forgot.
[29:09.400 --> 29:10.680]  You get scam calls.
[29:10.840 --> 29:18.240]  Like, you know, like, they call you with the number 917, you know, and then, like, you know, a number that you were going to...
[29:18.240 --> 29:24.900]  But it's a person that's, like, you know, either trying to sell you something or trying to, you know, get information from you or scam you.
[29:25.040 --> 29:33.900]  And the reason why I know this is because when they try and call the number, either it doesn't work, it says this call cannot be completed, or you get somebody else that doesn't know what you're talking about.
[29:34.080 --> 29:36.780]  Yeah, and what they're doing is they're spoofing caller ID.
[29:37.120 --> 29:38.420]  It's a pretty old trick, actually.
[29:39.560 --> 29:39.700]  Right.
[29:39.840 --> 29:40.880]  Could you spoof A&I?
[29:42.920 --> 29:45.760]  There are people who would be able to answer that question much better than I can.
[29:45.960 --> 29:47.460]  I believe it's possible.
[29:47.460 --> 29:50.460]  It's not as easy, but I believe it's been done.
[29:51.280 --> 29:52.500]  I mean, it's business.
[29:52.720 --> 29:57.660]  I mean, somebody wants to, like, access to an office-type, business-type of phone line.
[29:57.880 --> 29:59.560]  Well, just so people know the difference.
[30:00.260 --> 30:21.380]  Caller ID is what gets sent from phone to phone, and it's basically, it's transmitted by the phone company on the second ring, different from the caller ID that shows up on your cell phone, which is sent in a different way and also can access your own directory so that you can say something like idiot in place of someone's name,
[30:21.400 --> 30:23.520]  and it'll show up that way when the phone rings.
[30:23.760 --> 30:25.280]  That's on cell phones.
[30:25.360 --> 30:30.640]  But then there's A&I, which is what kicks in when you call toll-free numbers, 800-888-877-7, etc.
[30:31.120 --> 30:42.240]  And you can do star-six-seven to block caller ID all you want when you call them, but your A&I, which is the, I believe the build number, will show up on their consoles.
[30:42.460 --> 30:44.120]  Same thing if you call 9-1-1.
[30:44.760 --> 30:47.160]  You can't block caller ID to call 9-1-1.
[30:47.440 --> 30:50.260]  They're going to get your number through A&I, is my understanding.
[30:51.220 --> 30:51.360]  Right.
[30:51.480 --> 30:54.660]  Or the operator, the zero operator or the AT&T operator.
[30:54.820 --> 30:55.040]  Right.
[30:55.600 --> 30:57.720]  That was one way, that was one way, actually.
[30:57.820 --> 30:59.680]  I think you knew something about this.
[30:59.840 --> 31:05.960]  If you called the operator and got her to place a call for you, I think A&I was disabled and your number would not show up.
[31:06.080 --> 31:08.500]  Right, but that time, Lloyd, that doesn't work anymore.
[31:08.660 --> 31:09.480]  Yeah, I didn't think it did.
[31:10.400 --> 31:14.560]  No, because it's a third-generation top system.
[31:14.740 --> 31:21.340]  I think the zero operators are now directory assistants as well because it's like they don't need operators that much anymore.
[31:21.440 --> 31:22.320]  They don't place collect calls.
[31:22.640 --> 31:25.520]  Yeah, you know that they don't place collect any...
[31:25.520 --> 31:28.240]  I can't remember the last time I got a collect call.
[31:28.400 --> 31:30.680]  I can't remember anyone getting a collect call any time recently.
[31:31.480 --> 31:34.340]  Yeah, but how did people in prison make collect calls, then?
[31:34.740 --> 31:35.760]  I don't know if they do.
[31:35.940 --> 31:37.740]  Actually, Alex, you might know something about this.
[31:38.080 --> 31:42.520]  Do people make collect calls from prison or is it just now based on some kind of account?
[31:46.180 --> 31:48.960]  I haven't received any collect calls recently.
[31:48.960 --> 31:50.940]  I think it's mostly on an account.
[31:51.920 --> 31:58.660]  Because most everybody carries cell phones and cell phones can't accept collect calls, which I still don't understand why that is.
[31:58.800 --> 32:04.480]  I also don't understand why there isn't a cell phone directory, you know, because these are all things that we got used to with landlines.
[32:05.160 --> 32:08.320]  Certainly, it's something that a lot of people would want, I would imagine.
[32:09.480 --> 32:09.880]  So.
[32:10.520 --> 32:13.860]  Yeah, so with collect calls now, there's a 1-800...
[32:13.860 --> 32:16.480]  We played with this on your show.
[32:16.680 --> 32:27.600]  1-800-COLLECT and then we're able to make collect calls to a cell phone and then they just keep calling you wanting the money and we thought that it would be billed to the cell phone, but that's not the case.
[32:27.600 --> 32:31.640]  They just, you know, call you and say, hey, you placed a collect call.
[32:31.900 --> 32:33.000]  Do you want to pay with the credit card?
[32:33.780 --> 32:39.100]  Yeah, it's not really a collect call, but yeah, it's just billing to a third party, I suppose.
[32:40.660 --> 32:41.380]  Well, billing...
[32:41.380 --> 32:45.620]  Well, it's kind of billing to you, but it's not billing to your cell phone.
[32:45.640 --> 32:46.720]  I tried to, you know...
[32:46.720 --> 32:50.580]  Now, we can now make collect calls to cell phones, but...
[32:52.240 --> 32:54.660]  Yeah, you can just call somebody and say you want money from them.
[32:54.760 --> 32:56.280]  That's not really the same thing as a collect call.
[32:56.520 --> 32:58.220]  And red boxes don't work anymore.
[33:00.160 --> 33:01.280]  Right, red boxes don't work.
[33:05.940 --> 33:07.980]  Do you want some of this kettle corn, Kyle?
[33:08.340 --> 33:09.240]  Yeah, well, you pass that.
[33:11.920 --> 33:12.520]  There you go.
[33:12.780 --> 33:14.780]  There's no more pay phones, I mean...
[33:14.780 --> 33:15.080]  Yeah.
[33:15.900 --> 33:18.360]  That's why the red boxes don't work, because there's no pay phones.
[33:19.040 --> 33:19.400]  But...
[33:19.400 --> 33:19.500]  Why?
[33:19.680 --> 33:20.240]  We're seeing...
[33:20.240 --> 33:21.460]  Did we ever think...
[33:21.460 --> 33:21.960]  Excuse me.
[33:22.000 --> 33:25.360]  Did we ever think, like, back in the day, that pay phones would disappear?
[33:25.860 --> 33:27.360]  That red boxes would stop working?
[33:27.460 --> 33:28.520]  I remember back in the...
[33:28.520 --> 33:34.000]  I remember back in the 80s, I always used to think to myself, what are the pay phones in the future going to be like?
[33:34.960 --> 33:36.020]  They won't exist.
[33:36.120 --> 33:36.840]  That's what they'll be like.
[33:37.520 --> 33:38.560]  Oh, this is good stuff.
[33:39.260 --> 33:40.260]  They won't exist.
[33:41.200 --> 33:47.180]  And there won't be red boxes and there won't be collect calls and people won't make eye contact.
[33:47.180 --> 33:48.660]  They'll just look at their tablets and phones.
[33:48.880 --> 33:51.540]  I was going to ask Alex if he saw any pay phones on his trip.
[33:53.100 --> 33:58.180]  I mean, people will be able to see each other because they'll do WhatsApp or things like that.
[33:58.440 --> 34:04.360]  What you should have done is ask Alex if he saw any pay phones on his trip rather than say you were going to ask him that Rebel wouldn't step on you.
[34:04.460 --> 34:05.280]  I'm sorry, Rebel.
[34:05.380 --> 34:05.620]  Hold on.
[34:06.000 --> 34:09.000]  Alex, I was going to ask you, did you find any pay phones on your trip?
[34:09.680 --> 34:11.940]  You know, I didn't see one.
[34:12.400 --> 34:14.200]  So that's substantially...
[34:14.200 --> 34:14.400]  Wow.
[34:15.180 --> 34:16.980]  Why did Alex sound like he's in a bathroom?
[34:17.320 --> 34:18.680]  Are you in a bathroom, Alex?
[34:19.540 --> 34:20.780]  Are you in a bathroom, Alex?
[34:21.380 --> 34:22.680]  No, I'm playing basketball.
[34:24.940 --> 34:25.860]  What are you doing?
[34:28.760 --> 34:29.760]  He is playing basketball.
[34:29.760 --> 34:30.520]  I can attest to that.
[34:31.200 --> 34:31.720]  I'm...
[34:31.720 --> 34:31.980]  I'm...
[34:31.980 --> 34:32.000]  Yeah.
[34:32.500 --> 34:32.620]  I'm there.
[34:32.920 --> 34:33.340]  Well, it's...
[34:33.340 --> 34:35.560]  No, he's so good that it doesn't even hit the rim.
[34:35.700 --> 34:36.580]  It just switches through.
[34:36.880 --> 34:37.360]  64th Street.
[34:37.620 --> 34:40.120]  Transfer is available to the 7th local train.
[34:40.380 --> 34:45.140]  Transfer to the LaGuardia Link Q70 select bus service to LaGuardia Airport.
[34:45.500 --> 34:48.620]  Transfer to the Q53 select bus service.
[34:49.060 --> 34:51.840]  Connection is available to the Long Island Railroad.
[34:52.400 --> 34:56.940]  Rebel, why is it she sounds so good like she's in the phone?
[34:57.020 --> 34:58.520]  Are you holding the phone right up to the speaker?
[34:59.660 --> 35:00.100]  Yeah.
[35:01.200 --> 35:04.600]  I'm in the men's room in LaGuardia, so you're pretty close.
[35:05.460 --> 35:12.160]  You know, the men's room in LaGuardia is a lot better now, nicer now than it was before, but after they rebuilt that airport.
[35:12.920 --> 35:14.640]  Didn't expect to know about that, did you, Alex?
[35:15.340 --> 35:15.780]  Yeah.
[35:16.060 --> 35:19.100]  The new terminal is, you know, it's much nicer.
[35:19.100 --> 35:20.060]  I do have to...
[35:20.060 --> 35:21.040]  I agree with that.
[35:23.660 --> 35:26.620]  How would you describe kettle corn to people who have never had kettle corn?
[35:26.980 --> 35:28.460]  It's like popcorn, but it's different.
[35:28.780 --> 35:29.620]  Oh, I love kettle corn.
[35:29.640 --> 35:30.620]  Oh, you know about kettle corn?
[35:30.920 --> 35:32.260]  We can talk about kettle corn now.
[35:32.400 --> 35:32.760]  I know kettle corn.
[35:32.880 --> 35:33.120]  Uh-huh.
[35:33.280 --> 35:35.860]  Yeah, kettle corn is good, but it ruins your teeth.
[35:35.920 --> 35:37.540]  You gotta brush your teeth right after you eat it.
[35:38.000 --> 35:39.600]  Don, let me start it about dentists, man.
[35:41.220 --> 35:41.940]  It's, um...
[35:41.940 --> 35:45.180]  It's kind of crunchy and, uh...
[35:45.180 --> 35:46.300]  A little bit sweet.
[35:46.480 --> 35:47.680]  Comes in a big tubular bag.
[35:47.880 --> 35:50.600]  Uh, at the, uh, powwow, everybody had these things.
[35:50.860 --> 35:53.140]  So we just brought one back and it's really incredible.
[35:53.200 --> 35:55.120]  Yeah, we adopted a bag of kettle corn.
[35:55.720 --> 35:59.640]  And you can have different flavors like chocolate and cinnamon and...
[35:59.640 --> 36:00.360]  No, that's disgusting.
[36:00.500 --> 36:01.760]  No, this is just regular flavor.
[36:03.980 --> 36:05.080]  It's a little sweet, though.
[36:05.520 --> 36:05.720]  Yeah.
[36:06.120 --> 36:07.180]  But we can't have too much of it.
[36:07.320 --> 36:07.760]  So let's see.
[36:07.860 --> 36:08.180]  What else?
[36:09.040 --> 36:11.660]  Um, uh, let's see.
[36:11.740 --> 36:15.420]  Compute a terminal of monochrome display and, uh, the operator...
[36:15.420 --> 36:19.820]  So, uh, the console used to be monochrome display and, uh, and grayscale display.
[36:21.920 --> 36:22.560]  Wait, what?
[36:24.060 --> 36:27.620]  The, uh, computer terminals like the, the phone company of the operating...
[36:29.500 --> 36:30.500]  Yes, they've changed, too.
[36:30.720 --> 36:31.340]  ...grayscale display.
[36:31.620 --> 36:32.240]  What is it scaled?
[36:32.340 --> 36:32.980]  Just like a...
[36:33.560 --> 36:33.960]  Printers.
[36:34.120 --> 36:34.800]  Printers have changed.
[36:35.020 --> 36:35.360]  Grayscale is a white...
[36:35.360 --> 36:40.340]  Dot matrix printers of the past and, um, do all sorts of things.
[36:40.380 --> 36:43.320]  Sounds like we're talking about stuff that we'd find trashing.
[36:44.240 --> 36:45.680]  Like, over the last 20 years.
[36:46.440 --> 36:46.760]  Yeah.
[36:46.960 --> 36:48.200]  This is basically the show about e-waste.
[36:48.260 --> 36:49.360]  We ought to go out trashing again.
[36:49.360 --> 36:50.380]  We haven't done that in a while.
[36:50.560 --> 36:52.160]  Guys, are you up for a trashing round?
[36:52.420 --> 36:53.180]  There should be a...
[36:53.180 --> 36:53.400]  Trashing.
[36:53.580 --> 36:54.220]  We ought to go trashing.
[36:54.220 --> 36:56.180]  No, we can go trashing because everybody shrugs their stomach in them.
[36:56.220 --> 36:57.180]  Let's go trashing in Queens.
[36:57.180 --> 36:59.040]  I think we can all get to Queens pretty easily, right?
[36:59.220 --> 37:00.360]  It's a good national trashing day.
[37:00.580 --> 37:01.520]  I mean, we certainly can.
[37:01.580 --> 37:02.620]  Well, you're in Queens, yes.
[37:02.760 --> 37:03.820]  Alex, you're in Manhattan.
[37:04.600 --> 37:06.360]  We're close to Queens, so we can just...
[37:06.360 --> 37:06.840]  No, I'm in Queens.
[37:07.020 --> 37:07.660]  You're in Queens?
[37:07.660 --> 37:08.960]  It seems logical.
[37:09.340 --> 37:09.860]  What do you say?
[37:09.960 --> 37:10.380]  2 a.m.?
[37:10.380 --> 37:13.740]  That's a good time when the garbage truck isn't there yet and most people have gone home.
[37:14.200 --> 37:19.680]  Sure, you get coffee grounds and disgusting things, but you also get the occasional printout of something useful.
[37:20.460 --> 37:22.120]  Yeah, but they shred things now.
[37:22.780 --> 37:24.460]  Yeah, but you can put them back together again.
[37:25.400 --> 37:26.700]  Actually, printing emails...
[37:26.700 --> 37:27.480]  Not if they cross-cut it.
[37:27.620 --> 37:28.600]  Don't you have any skills?
[37:28.720 --> 37:29.060]  Come on.
[37:29.260 --> 37:30.620]  Put them back in to style.
[37:33.240 --> 37:34.540]  All right, well...
[37:34.540 --> 37:35.160]  Let's see.
[37:35.200 --> 37:35.620]  What else?
[37:35.900 --> 37:36.620]  Yeah, what else?
[37:37.660 --> 37:37.960]  Move on.
[37:38.060 --> 37:38.980]  We have other calls we have to get to.
[37:40.580 --> 37:42.320]  Oh, we have to have other calls to get to?
[37:42.420 --> 37:42.840]  Yes, I have the calls.
[37:42.840 --> 37:43.740]  Why don't we have a conference call?
[37:43.820 --> 37:44.480]  Why don't we just...
[37:44.480 --> 37:44.980]  We should.
[37:45.100 --> 37:46.480]  Why don't you just like conference everybody in?
[37:46.480 --> 37:48.320]  Yeah, so we can have more people talking on top of each other.
[37:48.400 --> 37:49.500]  Yeah, that's what we want.
[37:49.580 --> 37:50.880]  We want everybody to be...
[37:50.880 --> 37:54.360]  But technology, you've noticed that broke this week or that you broke, please.
[37:54.580 --> 37:55.320]  Did I break technology?
[37:55.540 --> 37:55.860]  Elaborate.
[37:56.080 --> 37:56.940]  Who broke technology?
[37:57.180 --> 37:57.620]  Well, anybody.
[37:58.820 --> 38:00.020]  Oh, I didn't break it.
[38:00.120 --> 38:01.680]  You're accusing me of breaking something, are you?
[38:02.060 --> 38:15.760]  No, I was just trying to elaborate on the things we're noticing that we broke Well, we've got a loaner car that we're using, and we keep noticing all these technological issues with it that are really annoying.
[38:15.920 --> 38:26.520]  Like, for instance, I tried to turn on the light above my head, and I ended up initiating an SOS call because it's in the same place that the light switches in, and I was driving, and I didn't have time to look up to the ceiling to see what it said on it.
[38:27.520 --> 38:32.080]  But it actually helped us find out that that actually isn't connected and doesn't work.
[38:32.080 --> 38:32.940]  Yeah, that's great.
[38:33.180 --> 38:34.400]  So, I lose either way.
[38:34.580 --> 38:36.980]  I can't get help, and I don't get a light turn on.
[38:38.720 --> 38:39.360]  But today...
[38:39.360 --> 38:40.260]  I mean, what were you in a Tesla?
[38:40.680 --> 38:47.300]  I'm not going to say what kind of car it was, but today, we actually inadvertently left the car running when we left.
[38:47.760 --> 38:49.000]  It's one of these key fobs.
[38:49.220 --> 38:49.980]  Key fobs, yeah.
[38:50.200 --> 38:58.240]  But the thing is, the engine is so quiet, we press the button, because you don't start it with a key, you press a button now, and we thought it was off.
[38:58.240 --> 39:00.460]  And we walked away, and it just kept running.
[39:00.800 --> 39:03.500]  And we came back, and we realized, why is the radio still playing?
[39:04.020 --> 39:06.620]  And that's when we realized, for the first time, that the car was running.
[39:06.680 --> 39:09.360]  And it would have kept running for hours if we didn't come back.
[39:10.160 --> 39:11.280]  So, that's not good.
[39:11.300 --> 39:12.160]  That's not what you want.
[39:12.260 --> 39:17.320]  I think the reminder about looking in the back seat should be about shutting the engine off.
[39:17.480 --> 39:18.080]  I'm saying that again.
[39:18.180 --> 39:19.100]  Yeah, someone could have.
[39:19.240 --> 39:22.540]  They may have been able to steal it, but they didn't.
[39:22.540 --> 39:26.100]  I don't know if the door... I think the door was locked, because we hit the lock thing on the fob.
[39:26.100 --> 39:27.500]  Yeah, I took it with me.
[39:27.700 --> 39:33.780]  But the thing is, with the fob, and the fob, for those who don't know, is imagine a car key without the key.
[39:34.120 --> 39:35.500]  It's just a little unit.
[39:36.000 --> 39:39.520]  And it just needs to be in proximity of the car for you to be able to start the car.
[39:40.040 --> 39:43.220]  So, you start the car, then you get up and walk outside.
[39:43.220 --> 39:44.300]  The car keeps running.
[39:44.580 --> 39:50.240]  It's a little warning saying, you know, key fob not around or out of range, but the car keeps running.
[39:50.240 --> 39:53.460]  So, your passenger can easily just hop into the driver's seat and drive away.
[39:53.760 --> 39:58.280]  As long as they don't turn the car off, you're kind of powerless as far as...
[39:58.280 --> 40:03.700]  I guess you could do the same thing with the key running, but it just seems a little different here.
[40:04.920 --> 40:06.400]  Yeah, I mean, I'd rather the key.
[40:06.540 --> 40:07.980]  The key fobs are annoying.
[40:08.400 --> 40:10.680]  I mean, you have to push buttons to this, to that.
[40:10.860 --> 40:13.820]  I mean, you know, I mean, some of this technology is okay.
[40:14.000 --> 40:18.960]  You know, it makes things more efficient and streamlined, but some of it's just too annoying.
[40:22.680 --> 40:23.460]  What else?
[40:24.820 --> 40:25.640]  Let's see.
[40:31.440 --> 40:35.320]  TV is annoying because now it's digital and, you know.
[40:35.580 --> 40:36.240]  Oh, yeah.
[40:36.240 --> 40:41.020]  I miss analog TV where you could DX and get distance stations.
[40:41.620 --> 40:47.320]  Rebel, you seem like the kind of person who might have tuned into distance stations on those hot summer days where they come in from far away.
[40:48.080 --> 40:49.400]  Oh, you mean on the radio?
[40:49.400 --> 40:55.100]  No, no, I mean on VHF TV where sometimes you get a Channel 3 from far away.
[40:55.360 --> 40:57.760]  I got KYW when I was a kid.
[40:57.860 --> 40:58.640]  That was amazing.
[40:58.740 --> 40:59.260]  I was from Philadelphia.
[40:59.540 --> 41:01.000]  And sometimes I got Boston.
[41:01.360 --> 41:04.080]  And then I get weird UHF channels sometimes as well.
[41:04.320 --> 41:05.220]  You can't do that anymore.
[41:05.380 --> 41:07.480]  You can't explore and find weird things.
[41:07.480 --> 41:08.560]  That's point 90 miles away.
[41:09.640 --> 41:11.100]  That's point 90 miles away.
[41:12.660 --> 41:13.780]  What's 90 miles away?
[41:13.860 --> 41:16.880]  In New York upstate, they were able to get WABC New York City in.
[41:17.220 --> 41:18.040]  Well, no, hold on.
[41:18.100 --> 41:20.980]  If you're talking about WABC AM, that's because that's a clear channel frequency.
[41:20.980 --> 41:23.680]  No, it's WABC New York City Channel 7.
[41:23.800 --> 41:24.260]  Channel 7.
[41:24.360 --> 41:24.500]  Okay.
[41:24.500 --> 41:28.960]  Well, no, you could get that, I suppose, from a distance.
[41:29.100 --> 41:29.180]  Well, all right.
[41:29.460 --> 41:34.920]  The radio, you know, WAAM radio, News Radio 88, you can get, if they have skip, you can get it in Virginia.
[41:35.240 --> 41:38.200]  Well, it's not called skip on AM.
[41:38.260 --> 41:41.020]  It's basically, I mean, it is skip in a way.
[41:41.140 --> 41:42.800]  It's bouncing off the ionosphere at night.
[41:42.800 --> 41:46.240]  And you can get that all throughout the eastern coast pretty easily.
[41:46.420 --> 41:47.020]  That's fun.
[41:47.140 --> 41:55.240]  It's what's known as a clear channel station, not the company, but the actual kind of AM station it is.
[41:55.280 --> 42:00.940]  They don't have to reduce their power at sunset, which is when AM travels a lot further, just kind of like shortwave.
[42:02.520 --> 42:02.960]  But...
[42:02.960 --> 42:03.120]  Oh.
[42:03.600 --> 42:04.580]  So what are they...
[42:04.580 --> 42:07.880]  How does the radio station get it from the radio station to the antenna?
[42:08.060 --> 42:09.640]  They don't use ISDN anymore.
[42:10.400 --> 42:18.760]  Well, they can use, they can use a T1, they can use, I mean, yeah, maybe not ISDN, but they can use, they can use anything.
[42:19.080 --> 42:20.520]  Depends on what kind of...
[42:20.520 --> 42:21.760]  They can use a microwave relay.
[42:23.160 --> 42:24.500]  Yeah, especially the transmitter.
[42:24.820 --> 42:25.320]  A microwave relay?
[42:25.460 --> 42:26.660]  Does WBAI do that?
[42:27.220 --> 42:31.840]  I am not at liberty to reveal that information, but we are able to get it to the transmitter.
[42:32.140 --> 42:33.560]  I think it's a closed line.
[42:34.220 --> 42:36.280]  A closed line or a closed line?
[42:36.460 --> 42:37.440]  A closed line.
[42:38.120 --> 42:38.440]  All right.
[42:38.480 --> 42:39.520]  Well, I can't reveal that either.
[42:40.260 --> 42:41.240]  Rebel, we're going to move on.
[42:41.420 --> 42:42.080]  Thank you for calling.
[42:44.680 --> 42:45.160]  All right.
[42:45.580 --> 42:45.820]  Bye.
[42:46.780 --> 42:47.860]  Always fun to hear from him.
[42:47.980 --> 42:49.460]  And he's always in a different place.
[42:49.680 --> 42:50.400]  You notice that?
[42:50.940 --> 42:52.160]  Never in the same place.
[42:52.500 --> 42:53.040]  He keeps moving.
[42:53.040 --> 42:53.860]  We always said that about him.
[42:54.100 --> 42:54.320]  Uh-huh.
[42:55.180 --> 42:55.360]  All right.
[42:55.360 --> 42:56.460]  And he's the first caller.
[42:56.600 --> 42:58.420]  Yeah, and we didn't even give out the phone number yet.
[42:58.420 --> 42:59.440]  That's what's so annoying.
[43:01.180 --> 43:02.820]  802-321-4225.
[43:03.080 --> 43:04.960]  802-321-HACK is our phone number.
[43:05.900 --> 43:06.540]  My goodness.
[43:06.900 --> 43:08.360]  Nice trip down memory lane, though.
[43:08.360 --> 43:15.100]  Talking about everything from TV sets to TV programs to radio.
[43:17.380 --> 43:19.540]  And we were talking about something else, too.
[43:20.180 --> 43:25.240]  Telephones and computers and pay phones and all sorts of things that don't exist anymore.
[43:25.240 --> 43:31.580]  And the way things did work and the way they do work, continuing on.
[43:31.780 --> 43:34.860]  And yeah, there's lots of angles to that.
[43:35.820 --> 43:38.080]  What direction is it all going?
[43:38.160 --> 43:38.860]  What's the point?
[43:39.040 --> 43:41.260]  You know, are we really communicating better?
[43:41.560 --> 43:42.360]  Who are we talking to?
[43:42.420 --> 43:47.040]  Are we just talking to corporations that want us to pay our bills?
[43:47.380 --> 43:49.780]  You know, is that what wireless is all about?
[43:49.920 --> 43:50.800]  Well, I would like to know.
[43:50.960 --> 43:52.200]  And maybe someone can help me with this.
[43:52.200 --> 43:57.220]  I used to be able to communicate with a lot more people because I had this...
[43:57.220 --> 43:58.000]  I still do.
[43:58.100 --> 44:03.720]  I have this app known as Trillion or a program that I run on one of my machines.
[44:04.020 --> 44:05.860]  And it would connect to Facebook Messenger.
[44:05.860 --> 44:09.080]  It would connect to Google, whatever they call themselves.
[44:09.880 --> 44:11.440]  And I could talk to all these people.
[44:11.600 --> 44:14.860]  And those two entities just stopped connecting.
[44:15.420 --> 44:19.720]  And so I can't really talk to anybody in that method, like instant messenger used to be.
[44:20.500 --> 44:21.680]  I would like to be able to do that.
[44:21.840 --> 44:28.820]  I would like to still be able to connect to these people without actually having to be on Facebook, you know, looking at screens there.
[44:28.960 --> 44:30.240]  It's a big waste of time, in my opinion.
[44:30.840 --> 44:35.300]  But when I'm able to talk to people just one-on-one, that was actually worthwhile.
[44:35.300 --> 44:37.220]  It was a good thing when I was able to interface with Trillion.
[44:37.540 --> 44:39.620]  And it just doesn't work anymore for some reason.
[44:39.620 --> 44:43.900]  So there must be something that can tie them all together, like AIM used to do.
[44:44.220 --> 44:45.160]  That was a good thing.
[44:45.280 --> 44:46.380]  I don't know why they got rid of that.
[44:47.060 --> 44:49.600]  Yeah, this has been a long time coming.
[44:49.720 --> 44:54.620]  And it's been haphazard because there are so many different communications protocols.
[44:54.880 --> 45:00.880]  But this falls under unified communications and that whole sphere of jargon.
[45:00.880 --> 45:14.220]  And it's true that actually multiplexing different types of communication networks and making them all interoperate and play nice, it's been a tall order.
[45:14.340 --> 45:15.740]  And programs like that are great.
[45:15.740 --> 45:17.700]  I think of Pidgin.
[45:18.000 --> 45:19.240]  That's one I've used.
[45:19.240 --> 45:19.900]  Pidgin, that was another one.
[45:20.020 --> 45:20.880]  Used for a while.
[45:21.120 --> 45:23.120]  And they're still in development.
[45:23.120 --> 45:24.260]  A lot of them are still around.
[45:24.260 --> 45:26.100]  But it's sparsely used.
[45:26.100 --> 45:37.240]  And it's very much... it becomes like about what you prefer for your OS or what you're most comfortable with or maybe used with like a legacy platform or protocol like Oscar and AOL.
[45:37.500 --> 45:37.580]  ICQ.
[45:37.680 --> 45:38.440]  Remember ICQ?
[45:38.840 --> 45:40.340]  ICQ was a thing for a while.
[45:40.580 --> 45:42.460]  And, you know, you would have...
[45:42.460 --> 45:46.760]  Today, you would have to be on all those platforms individually in order to be able to communicate with people.
[45:46.860 --> 45:48.120]  I want something that ties them together.
[45:48.320 --> 45:52.000]  So you're only in one place and can talk kind of like what email is.
[45:52.240 --> 45:54.360]  And people reject that too for some reason.
[45:54.560 --> 45:55.100]  I don't get it.
[45:55.460 --> 45:56.000]  Do we have a call?
[45:56.440 --> 45:56.840]  Yes.
[45:57.260 --> 45:57.520]  Okay.
[45:57.580 --> 45:57.820]  Good evening.
[45:57.960 --> 45:58.820]  You're on off the cover time.
[45:58.900 --> 45:59.100]  Go ahead.
[46:00.080 --> 46:00.480]  Hello?
[46:00.920 --> 46:01.540]  Hey, what's up?
[46:02.480 --> 46:04.080]  Yes, this is Brad from Brentwood.
[46:04.220 --> 46:07.980]  I used to call in as an elections inspector for Suffolk County, Long Island, New York.
[46:08.100 --> 46:08.820]  I remember you.
[46:08.860 --> 46:09.580]  But I'm not with...
[46:10.120 --> 46:10.520]  Good.
[46:10.700 --> 46:12.280]  I'm not with the BOE anymore.
[46:12.940 --> 46:18.800]  But moving on, today was my first day at the post... in the post-COVID program.
[46:19.040 --> 46:21.000]  And I waited forever to get in.
[46:22.160 --> 46:24.440]  What's the post-COVID program?
[46:24.500 --> 46:24.880]  What is that?
[46:24.880 --> 46:29.660]  It's at Stony Brook Hospital or their offices.
[46:30.220 --> 46:31.300]  For like treatment?
[46:32.220 --> 46:34.220]  Treatment for long COVID.
[46:34.380 --> 46:35.120]  Oh, okay.
[46:35.360 --> 46:35.540]  Okay.
[46:36.340 --> 46:36.900]  Yeah.
[46:37.120 --> 46:39.660]  So last year, not this past July that just passed.
[46:40.060 --> 46:45.520]  July before, I was, well, on exit 58 at a gambling house.
[46:45.520 --> 46:48.680]  And I had tachycardia, 177 beats per minute.
[46:48.680 --> 46:51.200]  And I didn't go to the hospital, which is foolish.
[46:51.460 --> 46:51.720]  Yikes.
[46:52.640 --> 46:55.880]  A few days later, now, I did not have symptoms.
[46:55.880 --> 46:57.980]  But then a few days later, I had...
[46:57.980 --> 46:59.860]  I mean, flu symptoms is what...
[46:59.860 --> 47:00.640]  I'll stay clear.
[47:00.900 --> 47:03.400]  But then I had flu symptoms for three days.
[47:04.000 --> 47:05.860]  Then I had tachycardia again.
[47:05.860 --> 47:11.060]  And I was home or I was actually out doing laundry because our machine broke.
[47:11.060 --> 47:17.280]  If I just put the laundry inside, I had to wash it, dry it, fold it, come home and say, babe, I got to go.
[47:17.480 --> 47:21.120]  So I drove out to Stony Brook from Brentwood to the emergency room.
[47:21.220 --> 47:23.260]  And they gave me two IVs.
[47:23.340 --> 47:24.780]  And one's a regular one.
[47:24.880 --> 47:31.960]  The other one was to give me adenosine that's in ATP because it stops and resets your heart.
[47:32.920 --> 47:38.320]  So then all of a sudden, my heart rate was 72 to 74 beats per minute, where it should be.
[47:38.420 --> 47:39.280]  And everything was fine.
[47:39.360 --> 47:41.300]  But we got to give you a COVID test.
[47:41.700 --> 47:52.600]  So I wanted to raise what Gary Null has taught us, that Kerry Mullis discovered that test and won a Nobel Prize for it, but he passed.
[47:52.860 --> 47:59.680]  But he said, don't use this for COVID or AIDS, but you can use it for those crime shows all day or crime cases.
[48:01.380 --> 48:05.520]  Long story short, they said, oh, you tested positive, and I didn't argue with them.
[48:06.040 --> 48:07.600]  Not because of my heart.
[48:07.740 --> 48:08.540]  I was fine.
[48:09.100 --> 48:15.400]  And then they make you stay overnight because they're not going to cardio convert your heart and let you just drive home or walk out.
[48:15.920 --> 48:20.020]  So they stayed overnight, but they were also waiting for the results of the COVID test.
[48:20.360 --> 48:33.040]  But what I don't understand is they didn't say, we're going to send you down to such and such wing because you got COVID or, oh, you have to get that vaccine, which I'm not doing.
[48:33.040 --> 48:43.960]  And anyway, moving on, so then I talked to my health care providers, plural, my primary care physician, pulmonology, others, cardiology.
[48:44.500 --> 48:50.980]  They said, you should go to the post-COVID program because I had long COVID and I had it bad.
[48:51.600 --> 49:02.600]  I coughed for three hours straight, severe coughing, not able to capture, arrest it, stop it, control it, and then sometimes six hours straight.
[49:02.860 --> 49:06.300]  That's not good for a heart patient, and I'm in pretty darn good shape.
[49:06.920 --> 49:08.580]  That's not good for anybody.
[49:08.880 --> 49:12.220]  And, you know, then you end up coughing up a little blood and you're exhausted.
[49:12.900 --> 49:19.360]  So I went through all that, and I'm not coughing anymore, but it's called long COVID.
[49:20.200 --> 49:26.400]  You mentioned it in the beginning of the show, so I wanted to call them because I was scheduled for last week.
[49:27.240 --> 49:32.440]  Now, after waiting for the longest time, I also called to get into the post-COVID program.
[49:32.440 --> 49:34.420]  They said, we're not taking any new patients.
[49:34.680 --> 49:42.720]  I'm like, oh, look at the entire world, how it's been completely displaced from COVID, but they're not taking a patient.
[49:42.920 --> 49:43.160]  Okay.
[49:44.200 --> 49:45.500]  Well, that place isn't.
[49:45.540 --> 49:50.640]  There are other places that just because that place isn't taking new patients doesn't mean you can't get in somewhere.
[49:50.860 --> 49:51.040]  No.
[49:51.620 --> 49:51.860]  True.
[49:52.480 --> 49:55.940]  But all my practitioners are in the same net, if you will.
[49:56.620 --> 49:59.500]  You know, they all have each other's work on their screens.
[49:59.700 --> 50:06.560]  And if I go to, let's say, Southside Hospital on the South Shore of Long Island and Bay Shore, they don't have my information.
[50:07.280 --> 50:08.320]  It happened to me.
[50:08.460 --> 50:09.340]  And that's okay.
[50:09.520 --> 50:10.180]  It'll work there.
[50:10.180 --> 50:12.960]  Okay, I don't want to take up the whole show.
[50:13.480 --> 50:14.560]  Just moving on.
[50:16.200 --> 50:19.260]  I will insert, I loved your show about the gyro dying.
[50:19.480 --> 50:20.140]  I heard that.
[50:21.000 --> 50:22.580]  Oh, on the other station, yes.
[50:22.580 --> 50:28.720]  We did a special on the attempts to destroy one of the last open spaces in Suffolk County.
[50:29.320 --> 50:30.300]  We were lucky.
[50:30.440 --> 50:37.120]  We were luckier than I'd be able to get to tonight, but I used to stay on Lottowana Lane, and you may know where that is, the two white pillars.
[50:39.240 --> 50:40.480]  Yeah, I've passed that.
[50:40.620 --> 50:41.380]  I know what you're talking about.
[50:41.460 --> 50:42.360]  It's on 25A, right?
[50:43.400 --> 50:43.700]  Yes.
[50:43.960 --> 50:45.040]  That's an interesting looking road.
[50:45.240 --> 50:46.380]  I want to go down it one day.
[50:47.460 --> 50:49.200]  Well, there's an octagonal house there.
[50:49.240 --> 50:50.280]  I believe it's octagonal.
[50:50.320 --> 50:52.140]  My cousin used to own, but that's a little awkward.
[50:52.280 --> 51:00.800]  But there's another house that other friends of ours owned and would loan to and just let us use, with a heated pool and things, and it was just nice.
[51:01.320 --> 51:02.100]  So anyway...
[51:02.100 --> 51:02.800]  You have good friends.
[51:05.560 --> 51:06.860]  Yes, special people.
[51:07.520 --> 51:09.460]  Roy Adler, God rest his soul.
[51:09.600 --> 51:10.600]  Roy and Anita Adler.
[51:11.140 --> 51:12.260]  But okay, I'm moving on.
[51:13.000 --> 51:15.580]  Going back to post-COVID, I just started today.
[51:16.740 --> 51:21.500]  So after all that, they said, oh, we're not taking any patients called infectious diseases.
[51:21.500 --> 51:22.920]  And I'm like kind of chuckling.
[51:22.920 --> 51:25.140]  So I called them, and they laughed too.
[51:25.280 --> 51:26.360]  I said, I know what, you're laughing.
[51:26.780 --> 51:28.560]  This isn't where I belong.
[51:29.400 --> 51:38.180]  Okay, so I finally talked to my pulmonology physician's assistant, Jackie Sklar, and she said...
[51:38.180 --> 51:39.540]  Yeah, let's not give out their full names.
[51:39.840 --> 51:41.160]  That's probably not necessary.
[51:42.260 --> 51:43.240]  I maybe shouldn't have.
[51:43.320 --> 51:44.820]  And I have respect for her.
[51:44.920 --> 51:46.260]  She said, I'll get you in post-COVID.
[51:46.540 --> 51:52.980]  So anyway, I was supposed to get in last week, and they called at 731 and said, we have to cancel.
[51:53.160 --> 51:53.900]  The doctor's sick.
[51:53.960 --> 51:56.380]  And I said, you know, whatever it takes, that's okay.
[51:56.380 --> 52:13.740]  So I started today finally, and I went, and the doctor went over, she had my information in the computer, but I also filled out those sheets that you fill out, and we went over it, and she took time, and we discussed the issues, and she heard me out on some things related.
[52:14.840 --> 52:16.040]  So that's a start.
[52:16.240 --> 52:17.740]  I'm not so severe like I used to be.
[52:17.740 --> 52:23.480]  There's nothing better than having a good conversation with somebody who cares about your health, that knows what they're talking about.
[52:23.960 --> 52:27.120]  I told her that, and I thanked her for it at the time, you know.
[52:27.280 --> 52:29.860]  But I recommend...
[52:29.860 --> 52:31.840]  This is the first day.
[52:31.960 --> 52:34.380]  I feel like a new kid in the first day of school.
[52:35.180 --> 52:35.920]  I'm kidding.
[52:36.200 --> 52:40.040]  But maybe we should continue to keep an eye on it.
[52:40.160 --> 52:50.120]  I'm also going to be looking at why I was told we're not taking any new patients, because this doctor today said to me, oh no, they never told you that.
[52:50.120 --> 52:55.880]  And now, I never met her before, and she kind of is calling me a liar, and I'm like, I don't care.
[52:55.880 --> 52:56.760]  I move forward.
[52:56.880 --> 53:01.300]  And it's like, oh, look, I called, and I was told that.
[53:01.400 --> 53:03.840]  I'm not talking about some other, you know, some hearsay.
[53:03.980 --> 53:05.480]  I'm telling you that's what I was told.
[53:05.620 --> 53:06.680]  She's like, well, I only have...
[53:07.480 --> 53:08.720]  But they're taking you now.
[53:08.860 --> 53:10.120]  They're taking you now, right?
[53:10.480 --> 53:11.560]  They took me today.
[53:11.800 --> 53:12.360]  I'm in.
[53:12.520 --> 53:12.820]  Yes.
[53:13.180 --> 53:13.580]  Yes.
[53:13.760 --> 53:13.980]  Yes.
[53:13.980 --> 53:14.420]  All right.
[53:14.460 --> 53:15.540]  Well, that's what counts.
[53:15.700 --> 53:16.420]  That's what matters.
[53:17.380 --> 53:21.900]  I wanted to feedback to you, because you mentioned it early in the show, and I think it's interesting.
[53:22.140 --> 53:23.320]  It also...
[53:23.320 --> 53:25.220]  You know what else I said to her?
[53:25.560 --> 53:30.040]  Because you're not so sure about what to do about COVID, in case you haven't noticed.
[53:30.340 --> 53:33.020]  And there's been every lie, too.
[53:33.460 --> 53:35.180]  And then there was this guy...
[53:35.600 --> 53:42.080]  I won't use the doctor phrase, but there's this guy, Fauci, which I just don't have credibility for.
[53:42.080 --> 53:46.720]  So, anyway, I said, let me ask you a question.
[53:47.620 --> 53:52.140]  How do you actually know that I have COVID or have long COVID?
[53:52.460 --> 53:54.100]  I said, I know I had symptoms.
[53:54.640 --> 53:59.400]  You know, I had severe symptoms since the emergency room.
[54:00.420 --> 54:00.940]  But...
[54:00.940 --> 54:11.480]  And maybe the car before the horse, maybe the COVID, if I have it, caused the tachycardia, because they say that can quite often be the case.
[54:12.080 --> 54:12.780]  So, I don't know.
[54:13.320 --> 54:13.940]  I don't know.
[54:14.020 --> 54:14.320]  I don't know.
[54:14.440 --> 54:17.200]  And, you know, I'm open to working with them.
[54:17.920 --> 54:23.960]  But I'm going to have to hold their feet to the fire a little about, you know, not that you told me.
[54:24.180 --> 54:25.200]  They never said that to me.
[54:25.360 --> 54:26.060]  They said it to me.
[54:26.680 --> 54:28.380]  Okay, but that's not what's important now.
[54:28.500 --> 54:40.460]  What's important is that you get the health care you need and that you listen to what the people who know what they're talking about are saying and that you remain your own advocate because there's no better advocate than yourself for your health.
[54:40.560 --> 54:45.580]  So, if you're feeling something and no one's acknowledging it, then you've got to keep at it, you know?
[54:45.860 --> 54:46.020]  Yeah.
[54:46.080 --> 54:49.840]  Don't believe anybody blindly, but don't dismiss anybody blindly either.
[54:50.340 --> 54:52.080]  I appreciate what you're saying, Emmanuel.
[54:52.260 --> 54:53.140]  I tend to agree with it.
[54:53.280 --> 54:56.780]  But, you know, there's always the next patient, too.
[54:56.900 --> 54:57.380]  It matters.
[54:57.680 --> 54:58.020]  It matters.
[54:58.980 --> 54:59.100]  Yeah.
[54:59.120 --> 55:01.000]  So, you know, it needs to be looked at.
[55:01.000 --> 55:05.360]  And I'm not trying to get somebody in trouble or fired, but, you know, I need to look at it.
[55:06.020 --> 55:10.700]  So, I wanted to call and share that with you because it's in the moment because you said it in the beginning of the show.
[55:10.880 --> 55:12.240]  So, here's my feedback.
[55:12.240 --> 55:16.160]  And I recommend maybe I keep you guys updated in what we find.
[55:16.440 --> 55:16.640]  Okay.
[55:17.500 --> 55:21.660]  It's good to hear that you're hanging in there and staying healthy and taking care of yourself.
[55:21.760 --> 55:22.280]  That's what matters.
[55:23.500 --> 55:24.120]  Oh, yeah.
[55:24.500 --> 55:24.740]  Yep.
[55:24.980 --> 55:25.280]  All right.
[55:25.420 --> 55:26.200]  Stay in touch.
[55:26.380 --> 55:27.800]  We will talk to you in a future date.
[55:28.520 --> 55:33.380]  I've learned so much from Gary and all of this and so much from Dr. Majid Ali.
[55:33.560 --> 55:36.440]  I know you know who I mean because he has nailed all of the oxygen.
[55:36.640 --> 55:37.220]  I don't.
[55:37.580 --> 55:38.580]  Yeah, I'll let you go.
[55:38.940 --> 55:39.540]  Go ahead.
[55:39.760 --> 55:41.800]  And you guys really, you do great stuff.
[55:41.920 --> 55:42.220]  Thank you.
[55:42.460 --> 55:42.760]  Thank you.
[55:42.920 --> 55:43.200]  All right.
[55:45.400 --> 55:47.780]  I can't control who people learn from.
[55:48.340 --> 56:00.960]  I mean, all I can do is ask people to listen with an open mind and don't follow blindly anybody, but you got to follow the science.
[56:01.500 --> 56:10.960]  You got to listen to what the people, no matter how much you resent them, the people who actually devote their lives to these sorts of things, they know a thing or two.
[56:11.400 --> 56:14.900]  And if you really believe there's, you know, all kinds of conspiracies out there.
[56:18.140 --> 56:20.100]  Beware skepticism becoming dogma.
[56:20.100 --> 56:21.640]  Yeah, yeah.
[56:24.080 --> 56:27.220]  Rob, any comments from the other long coverter around?
[56:29.380 --> 56:41.120]  Well, I was looking at a story that went by today where the governor, Governor Hochul and the MTA cheerily announced that masking is now optional on subways.
[56:41.540 --> 56:43.980]  Yeah, it's been going down quite a bit recently, I've noticed.
[56:43.980 --> 56:50.740]  Yeah, yeah, their enforcement of the mask mandate that did exist was for crap, so I guess they're not even trying anymore.
[56:51.100 --> 56:53.740]  But yeah, my heart sank a little bit at that.
[56:53.940 --> 56:56.100]  Well, let's remember, it did have an effect.
[56:57.020 --> 56:58.220]  Numbers have gone down.
[56:58.400 --> 56:59.420]  Things are improving.
[57:00.800 --> 57:06.120]  Schools are opening in a much more, you know, real way than in the past.
[57:06.480 --> 57:08.460]  It's progress, but people are still getting sick.
[57:08.460 --> 57:09.620]  We have to remember that.
[57:09.900 --> 57:13.000]  But we are in a better place, and we can also celebrate that.
[57:14.040 --> 57:16.620]  The beaches are open, and everyone's having a wonderful time.
[57:16.880 --> 57:18.220]  Abney, as you know, means friendship.
[57:18.640 --> 57:23.000]  Yeah, just remember, just remember what we went through.
[57:23.380 --> 57:24.440]  We can't forget that.
[57:24.520 --> 57:28.040]  We can't forget more than a million people losing their lives in this country alone.
[57:28.660 --> 57:32.820]  And all the people around here that have been severely affected one way or another.
[57:34.900 --> 57:39.940]  And just the utter nonsense that we've been exposed to from so many different corners.
[57:41.140 --> 57:42.040]  Don't get me started.
[57:42.280 --> 57:42.720]  Do we have a call?
[57:43.120 --> 57:43.720]  We do.
[57:43.720 --> 57:44.160]  All right.
[57:44.300 --> 57:44.620]  Good evening.
[57:44.800 --> 57:45.720]  You're on Off Look Overtime.
[57:47.200 --> 57:47.900]  Hello, guys.
[57:48.020 --> 57:50.040]  It's Phil from Missouri, but I'm back in Virginia.
[57:50.880 --> 57:51.620]  Wait, hold on.
[57:51.760 --> 57:54.300]  Phil from Missouri, but you're back in Virginia?
[57:54.300 --> 57:55.600]  I didn't know you ever were in Virginia.
[57:57.340 --> 58:01.240]  Well, I was from Virginia, but I moved out to Missouri, but my brother died.
[58:01.500 --> 58:05.020]  And one of my dogs died, and they decided to move me back out here.
[58:05.180 --> 58:06.400]  Oh, I'm sorry to hear about all that.
[58:07.720 --> 58:12.520]  Well, I'm sorry to hear about your losses, but is Virginia a better place or a worse place?
[58:13.440 --> 58:14.580]  No, not much.
[58:14.820 --> 58:15.580]  Not much.
[58:15.680 --> 58:20.960]  I was doing my laundry downtown, and I got on the lawnmower in the middle of Main Street.
[58:21.560 --> 58:21.980]  Yeah.
[58:22.420 --> 58:24.000]  That could be Missouri, too, though.
[58:24.820 --> 58:26.060]  That could be lots of places.
[58:27.180 --> 58:27.580]  Yeah.
[58:30.200 --> 58:31.200]  What are you talking about?
[58:32.540 --> 58:33.700]  TV shows earlier?
[58:34.000 --> 58:34.440]  Yeah, we were.
[58:36.040 --> 58:37.480]  You ever watch Letterkenny?
[58:39.840 --> 58:40.440]  Letterkenny, you mean?
[58:40.960 --> 58:44.780]  I think we watched the first pilot, like one of the pilots a while ago.
[58:44.780 --> 58:46.180]  A lot of people have recommended that.
[58:46.480 --> 58:49.640]  And just, you know, to me, I didn't really give it a chance.
[58:49.780 --> 58:50.820]  I watched the first episode.
[58:51.020 --> 58:53.580]  It just seemed like a lot of quips going back and forth really quickly.
[58:54.000 --> 58:55.360]  Very fast-talking people.
[58:56.560 --> 58:58.840]  And I guess maybe I just wasn't into it on that day.
[58:58.940 --> 59:01.340]  If you say we should give it another chance, maybe we will.
[59:03.320 --> 59:04.800]  Well, I hear good things about it.
[59:05.240 --> 59:06.240]  Oh, you haven't seen it yourself?
[59:09.280 --> 59:11.780]  Like bits and pieces that I haven't watched before the episode.
[59:12.180 --> 59:12.440]  Uh-huh.
[59:14.360 --> 59:16.300]  What about What We Do in the Shadows?
[59:16.560 --> 59:17.220]  You ever seen that?
[59:17.360 --> 59:19.460]  Yeah, actually, I've seen a couple of episodes of that.
[59:19.540 --> 59:20.320]  That's pretty funny.
[59:20.320 --> 59:22.640]  I just haven't really had the time to get into it.
[59:22.740 --> 59:25.080]  But it's cleverly written, I'll say that.
[59:25.240 --> 59:33.460]  A lot of the promos have, I think, amused us enough to try to get into the world of the Shadows there.
[59:33.580 --> 59:34.460]  It's pretty funny.
[59:34.860 --> 59:35.960]  We really like it.
[59:36.020 --> 59:36.960]  We really, really like it.
[59:36.960 --> 59:39.520]  Well, the hardest part for me was figuring out how to watch it.
[59:39.620 --> 59:41.620]  Because it's on FX on Hulu.
[59:41.960 --> 59:43.140]  And I get FX.
[59:43.140 --> 59:44.660]  So why don't I get this show?
[59:44.780 --> 59:45.540]  FX on Hulu.
[59:45.900 --> 59:50.420]  I mean, I pay for FX, and I don't get the show that says it's on FX.
[59:50.600 --> 59:51.280]  They might as well say...
[59:51.800 --> 59:53.860]  Because FX, the network, apparently, is on Hulu, too.
[59:53.960 --> 59:55.020]  It doesn't make any sense to me.
[59:55.140 --> 59:56.580]  Is it on Hulu or is it on FX?
[59:56.660 --> 59:57.280]  Or is it on both?
[59:57.380 --> 59:57.960]  Or is it on neither?
[59:58.340 --> 59:59.780]  Just tell me what the hell's going on.
[59:59.860 --> 01:00:00.800]  I just want to watch a TV program.
[01:00:00.800 --> 01:00:02.240]  No, that should be illegal.
[01:00:02.860 --> 01:00:03.500]  That whole...
[01:00:03.500 --> 01:00:03.640]  It's on both.
[01:00:03.860 --> 01:00:04.580]  It should just not be allowed.
[01:00:04.580 --> 01:00:05.680]  I should be compensated.
[01:00:05.720 --> 01:00:08.580]  I should be compensated just for all the frustration.
[01:00:08.580 --> 01:00:09.340]  Putting people through that, yeah.
[01:00:09.600 --> 01:00:12.280]  It took me over a year to figure out how to see that program.
[01:00:13.300 --> 01:00:13.900]  Over a year.
[01:00:14.000 --> 01:00:14.520]  That's not right.
[01:00:15.920 --> 01:00:16.560]  I'm sorry.
[01:00:17.180 --> 01:00:18.280]  I lost control there.
[01:00:18.400 --> 01:00:20.240]  But it's a good show.
[01:00:20.620 --> 01:00:21.060]  It's on our list.
[01:00:21.360 --> 01:00:21.480]  Yeah.
[01:00:21.600 --> 01:00:24.540]  And if I can figure out how to do it again, I'll watch another episode.
[01:00:26.100 --> 01:00:26.920]  It's on FX.
[01:00:27.640 --> 01:00:28.780]  Oh, it is on FX.
[01:00:29.060 --> 01:00:30.300]  It's on FX and it's on Hulu.
[01:00:30.480 --> 01:00:34.580]  But because it's a limited series, it's on FX now.
[01:00:34.780 --> 01:00:37.360]  Like the season finale aired...
[01:00:37.360 --> 01:00:37.660]  Right now?
[01:00:37.820 --> 01:00:38.380]  Last night.
[01:00:38.580 --> 01:00:38.980]  Last night.
[01:00:39.180 --> 01:00:39.440]  Right.
[01:00:39.600 --> 01:00:42.400]  But you can't start watching from the first...
[01:00:42.400 --> 01:00:44.540]  You can start watching it on Hulu now.
[01:00:44.540 --> 01:00:45.680]  Ah, there you go.
[01:00:45.820 --> 01:00:46.040]  Okay.
[01:00:46.380 --> 01:00:47.980]  If you have Hulu, yeah, you can do that.
[01:00:48.060 --> 01:00:50.940]  But if you don't have Hulu, you're S out of luck.
[01:00:51.120 --> 01:00:53.060]  I don't know if that table can hold you, E.
[01:00:53.200 --> 01:00:54.180]  You're going to have to...
[01:00:54.180 --> 01:00:55.580]  I don't care anymore.
[01:00:56.040 --> 01:00:57.000]  You should just...
[01:00:57.000 --> 01:00:58.520]  Just here, let me...
[01:00:58.520 --> 01:00:59.940]  Just leave me alone.
[01:01:01.260 --> 01:01:08.120]  But there are other shows that are only on this FX on Hulu gizmo thing that are never on FX.
[01:01:08.280 --> 01:01:09.740]  I'm trying to think which one...
[01:01:09.740 --> 01:01:10.660]  Yeah, like Reservation Dogs.
[01:01:10.800 --> 01:01:11.760]  Yes, Reservation Dogs.
[01:01:11.860 --> 01:01:12.860]  Everybody should be able to see.
[01:01:12.920 --> 01:01:15.580]  That should be on broadcast TV.
[01:01:16.100 --> 01:01:17.680]  But you have to have Hulu to get it.
[01:01:17.840 --> 01:01:19.760]  And in fact, I even tweeted about this.
[01:01:19.860 --> 01:01:22.080]  I said, this is worth getting Hulu for.
[01:01:22.080 --> 01:01:22.840]  And I meant it.
[01:01:22.980 --> 01:01:24.820]  And Hulu responded saying, yes.
[01:01:25.720 --> 01:01:26.500]  Well said.
[01:01:28.160 --> 01:01:32.100]  And pretty, pretty, you know, it's...
[01:01:32.100 --> 01:01:34.600]  If one show makes a network worthwhile, I guess that's the one to do it.
[01:01:36.940 --> 01:01:41.340]  I would love to see, like, a crossover like Trailer Park Boys.
[01:01:43.440 --> 01:01:46.380]  It's always sunny in Philadelphia and Jay and St. Bob.
[01:01:46.940 --> 01:01:47.420]  Okay.
[01:01:48.480 --> 01:01:49.980]  Make a big movie out of it.
[01:01:50.080 --> 01:01:52.060]  Trailer Park Boys is another Canadian show that didn't...
[01:01:52.080 --> 01:01:55.060]  They did make it down to this country, which is a good thing.
[01:01:55.800 --> 01:01:58.640]  And you know what else is another Canadian show, which is really fun?
[01:01:58.720 --> 01:01:59.980]  And Gila, I think you would like this, actually.
[01:02:00.180 --> 01:02:01.020]  It's got your kind of humor.
[01:02:01.160 --> 01:02:02.000]  It's Working Moms.
[01:02:02.260 --> 01:02:02.820]  You ever see that?
[01:02:02.880 --> 01:02:03.680]  It's on Netflix now.
[01:02:04.340 --> 01:02:05.520]  But it's a CBC...
[01:02:05.520 --> 01:02:05.580]  I have not.
[01:02:05.580 --> 01:02:06.740]  It's a CBC show.
[01:02:06.740 --> 01:02:07.600]  It's just hilarious.
[01:02:08.100 --> 01:02:08.580]  All right.
[01:02:08.640 --> 01:02:09.580]  I'll add it to my list.
[01:02:09.680 --> 01:02:09.980]  Thank you.
[01:02:10.100 --> 01:02:11.260]  There is some cussing, though.
[01:02:12.960 --> 01:02:13.560]  Oh, no.
[01:02:13.900 --> 01:02:15.160]  It's a very...
[01:02:15.160 --> 01:02:17.740]  It will be my first exposure to any of that.
[01:02:17.760 --> 01:02:18.600]  Thank you for the warning.
[01:02:22.080 --> 01:02:24.760]  You have, you know, all kinds of cussing, and it's not a big deal.
[01:02:25.480 --> 01:02:26.740]  So think about that.
[01:02:29.160 --> 01:02:33.200]  It sounds amazing how cussing in other countries doesn't make the world explode.
[01:02:34.000 --> 01:02:34.240]  Yeah.
[01:02:35.760 --> 01:02:39.000]  So anything else happening in your new neck of the woods?
[01:02:41.720 --> 01:02:42.600]  Not really.
[01:02:42.920 --> 01:02:49.460]  Other than Main Street out here has a bunch of branches all over the sidewalk, like the trees.
[01:02:49.600 --> 01:02:50.360]  They don't trim them.
[01:02:50.560 --> 01:02:51.680]  They don't trim their trees?
[01:02:52.600 --> 01:02:54.840]  They don't have the road to avoid them.
[01:02:55.420 --> 01:02:55.860]  Wow.
[01:02:55.860 --> 01:03:06.160]  So I'm going to go down to the hall and stand, either stand outside and, like, sit at the bench or something like that with a sign saying this needs to be fixed.
[01:03:06.160 --> 01:03:08.760]  But it's just because they don't want their meetings and give them the hell.
[01:03:09.120 --> 01:03:09.440]  Uh-huh.
[01:03:13.240 --> 01:03:14.640]  I will say one thing, though.
[01:03:16.200 --> 01:03:22.860]  If anybody, anybody says anything about Snowden ever again, I'm going to kick them straight in the ass.
[01:03:22.960 --> 01:03:26.660]  I will take you up on that because, yes, I completely agree.
[01:03:26.660 --> 01:03:36.620]  After seeing the crap that we're going through right now with Trump, think about Reality Winner, how she was sent to prison, you know, for exposing just a couple of documents.
[01:03:36.980 --> 01:03:38.060]  Every whistleblowing case.
[01:03:38.260 --> 01:03:42.040]  And this guy is basically getting away with so much worse.
[01:03:42.560 --> 01:03:46.740]  And now we have to accept that the investigation is on pause.
[01:03:47.020 --> 01:03:48.600]  Just, it's so wrong.
[01:03:48.720 --> 01:03:49.720]  So wrong on so many levels.
[01:03:49.920 --> 01:04:03.100]  And all the right-wing people who are coming after BLM people or anybody on the left saying that they want to defund the police, and they're the ones saying defund the FBI and, like, trying to dox them.
[01:04:03.760 --> 01:04:04.560]  Such hypocrites.
[01:04:04.860 --> 01:04:09.300]  Because when things don't go their way, you know, January 6th, they were attacking cops.
[01:04:09.600 --> 01:04:12.020]  They don't believe what they say at all.
[01:04:12.060 --> 01:04:12.720]  You remember that night?
[01:04:12.720 --> 01:04:16.800]  No one went to bed until there were National Guardsmen sleeping in the Capitol.
[01:04:17.520 --> 01:04:19.460]  That was that day, you know.
[01:04:20.500 --> 01:04:24.200]  It's really, really cynical stuff.
[01:04:24.360 --> 01:04:26.180]  Just, you can't let them get away with it.
[01:04:26.180 --> 01:04:29.160]  You can't let them rewrite history, and that's what they are always trying to do.
[01:04:29.380 --> 01:04:35.120]  You know, trying to make it seem like there's some kind of plot or conspiracy and that they were doing the right thing all along.
[01:04:35.420 --> 01:04:36.780]  The evidence is right there.
[01:04:36.960 --> 01:04:37.880]  It's right there.
[01:04:38.080 --> 01:04:45.420]  Now, there's a judge that's trying to keep us from seeing it, but we've seen a lot already, you know, and we're going to see the rest of it.
[01:04:46.820 --> 01:04:51.380]  Well, Trump, over the weekend, did one of his stupid rallies, right?
[01:04:53.060 --> 01:04:54.500]  And he called it up.
[01:04:55.140 --> 01:04:57.280]  Oh, they're persecuting me again.
[01:04:57.900 --> 01:04:58.720]  Da-da-da-da-da-da.
[01:04:59.020 --> 01:05:02.820]  And then he went on and ran about Hillary Clinton.
[01:05:04.460 --> 01:05:06.480]  Say, well, we need to lock her up.
[01:05:06.960 --> 01:05:07.280]  Unbelievable.
[01:05:07.600 --> 01:05:10.020]  So, you know, yeah, it's just nuts.
[01:05:11.080 --> 01:05:20.000]  You know, it's really, you know, if you look at Fox News or the right wing on Twitter, everybody is trying to make Hunter Biden into an issue.
[01:05:20.200 --> 01:05:23.100]  You know, they're trying to eclipse Trump with Hunter Biden.
[01:05:23.600 --> 01:05:25.980]  Chuck Grassley was saying that today on the Senate floor.
[01:05:26.260 --> 01:05:31.660]  If you just look at the facts, you realize how little is actually there.
[01:05:31.960 --> 01:05:33.680]  The chain of evidence...
[01:05:33.680 --> 01:05:36.600]  Alex, you could probably speak to this, except Alex looks like a vacant chair right now.
[01:05:37.140 --> 01:05:39.000]  But if Alex were here, he would speak to this.
[01:05:39.500 --> 01:05:40.200]  Oh, there he is.
[01:05:40.200 --> 01:05:52.760]  That basically, the chain of evidence, the chain of possession of evidence of that laptop that supposedly has all this information on it, it's been so polluted.
[01:05:53.340 --> 01:05:56.420]  It's been handed around, you know, like a bag of chips.
[01:05:56.420 --> 01:06:00.200]  It's impossible to say who put what where.
[01:06:00.640 --> 01:06:03.820]  It does not compare in any sense.
[01:06:03.820 --> 01:06:09.660]  Plus, Hunter Biden is not somebody who's been given security clearance, unlike the Trump children.
[01:06:09.940 --> 01:06:16.360]  And now I'm hearing that Jared Kushner made $2 billion from the Saudis.
[01:06:16.760 --> 01:06:18.440]  They paid him $2 billion.
[01:06:19.120 --> 01:06:27.040]  And there's this top secret file about nuclear powers from, you know, certain countries that's missing.
[01:06:27.240 --> 01:06:29.460]  The same Jared that couldn't get security clearance?
[01:06:29.960 --> 01:06:30.800]  It's unbelievable.
[01:06:31.400 --> 01:06:36.320]  So, don't tell me, you know, Hunter Biden is anything compared to any of that.
[01:06:37.220 --> 01:06:39.940]  Hunter Biden is the new Hillary Clinton film.
[01:06:40.200 --> 01:06:41.080]  Of course, yeah.
[01:06:41.500 --> 01:06:43.460]  It's Benghazi over...
[01:06:43.460 --> 01:06:45.200]  Her email is Benghazi, Hunter Biden.
[01:06:45.280 --> 01:06:47.740]  They just keep with the same refrain, but there's no meat.
[01:06:47.840 --> 01:06:48.480]  There's nothing there.
[01:06:48.980 --> 01:06:53.660]  It's like, well, the laptop's got probably pornographic stuff on, stuff like that.
[01:06:53.780 --> 01:06:54.400]  It's like, so?
[01:06:54.660 --> 01:06:55.280]  Yeah, really?
[01:06:55.500 --> 01:06:58.240]  I mean, he talks about that stuff in his book.
[01:06:58.240 --> 01:07:01.140]  I don't know what they're planning to, like, get him on.
[01:07:01.340 --> 01:07:02.300]  I mean...
[01:07:02.300 --> 01:07:03.360]  The thing is...
[01:07:03.360 --> 01:07:04.180]  Oh, no, he said he did.
[01:07:04.340 --> 01:07:04.820]  Frack.
[01:07:04.940 --> 01:07:08.240]  They just keep repeating it over and over again, hoping that it'll stick.
[01:07:08.240 --> 01:07:10.080]  And with a lot of people, that's enough.
[01:07:10.240 --> 01:07:16.080]  If you just keep repeating something over and over again, it's as if they had a trial and were convicted.
[01:07:16.400 --> 01:07:21.760]  You know, just listening to some idiot commentator on Fox, that's all you need.
[01:07:21.840 --> 01:07:23.760]  And it's terrible.
[01:07:23.760 --> 01:07:25.640]  Well, check it out.
[01:07:25.820 --> 01:07:42.850]  I don't know if you heard about this or not, but an email during Discovery, since they're in the meaning case in Discovery right now, there has been a leaked email where Janine, whatever her name is...
[01:07:43.710 --> 01:07:50.210]  Well, the producers were talking, sending an email saying she shouldn't be saying this stuff on air.
[01:07:51.030 --> 01:07:59.210]  All she's doing is going to the internet and getting things, just going with every conspiracy and stuff, and they shouldn't be airing it.
[01:07:59.610 --> 01:08:00.050]  Okay.
[01:08:00.210 --> 01:08:03.550]  So that tells you right there that Fox News is just doing it for profit.
[01:08:03.750 --> 01:08:04.350]  Of course, yeah.
[01:08:04.510 --> 01:08:08.250]  I think they even admitted that it's just for the sake of entertainment, shouldn't be taken seriously.
[01:08:08.250 --> 01:08:11.430]  Obviously, of course, they know it is being taken seriously by millions of people.
[01:08:11.610 --> 01:08:20.130]  And it's a real, you know, I hate to say that a media outlet is a threat to democracy, but they're treading awfully close to that.
[01:08:20.310 --> 01:08:20.930]  They really are.
[01:08:21.050 --> 01:08:22.390]  They're just spreading lies.
[01:08:22.690 --> 01:08:30.450]  Well, in the book, 1984, the media was a tool of the government to, like, suppress people.
[01:08:30.450 --> 01:08:44.950]  It's wildly irresponsible for something that is purported to be a journalistic entity and should be protecting, I think, the institution that they aspire to be versus just their bottom line.
[01:08:45.150 --> 01:08:54.970]  You know, I think the bottom line, that was where you attack them, because when they say horrible, irresponsible things, like, who's that idiot that just got sued for saying that the kids weren't shot in Connecticut?
[01:08:55.790 --> 01:08:56.470]  Alex Jones.
[01:08:56.650 --> 01:08:57.490]  Yeah, Alex Jones.
[01:08:57.610 --> 01:08:58.570]  I'm glad I forgot his name.
[01:08:58.570 --> 01:08:59.950]  I'm glad I forgot Alex Jones's name.
[01:09:00.150 --> 01:09:04.230]  But, you know, you have to go after these people in court.
[01:09:04.450 --> 01:09:05.790]  You have to bankrupt them.
[01:09:05.890 --> 01:09:08.550]  You have to, you know, basically fight back.
[01:09:08.650 --> 01:09:09.750]  And that's how you do it.
[01:09:09.870 --> 01:09:10.470]  That's how you do it.
[01:09:10.510 --> 01:09:12.760]  I'm not in favor of government shutdowns.
[01:09:13.330 --> 01:09:23.010]  No, I'm in favor of the people fighting back and making it not worth your while to spread lies and to hurt other people.
[01:09:23.730 --> 01:09:25.890]  Take the chicken wing right out of their mouth.
[01:09:27.170 --> 01:09:27.710]  Go ahead.
[01:09:27.710 --> 01:09:30.310]  Steve Bannon is supposed to turn himself in tomorrow.
[01:09:30.630 --> 01:09:31.590]  Who's turning himself in?
[01:09:32.650 --> 01:09:33.330]  Steve Bannon.
[01:09:33.530 --> 01:09:33.750]  Yeah, Steve Bannon.
[01:09:33.870 --> 01:09:34.330]  Steve Bannon.
[01:09:34.430 --> 01:09:34.570]  Okay.
[01:09:34.650 --> 01:09:35.370]  What did he do this time?
[01:09:36.890 --> 01:09:41.650]  It's over the same thing with the stupid, hey, we're going to fund the fake money and build a wall thing.
[01:09:41.830 --> 01:09:42.670]  Oh, the fake wall.
[01:09:42.770 --> 01:09:43.170]  Yeah, yeah.
[01:09:43.350 --> 01:09:45.770]  Well, you know, there's a wall there if you believe there's a wall there.
[01:09:45.930 --> 01:09:47.090]  You know, that's where he put the money.
[01:09:47.090 --> 01:09:52.590]  Well, he was pardoned, I think, for the fake electors scheme, but by Trump.
[01:09:52.770 --> 01:09:54.290]  How do these people live with themselves?
[01:09:54.790 --> 01:09:56.110]  Was it fake electors scheme?
[01:09:56.270 --> 01:09:57.910]  It was a fake wall fund.
[01:09:58.030 --> 01:10:00.250]  Just to know you're being accused of such things.
[01:10:00.250 --> 01:10:01.010]  I just...
[01:10:01.010 --> 01:10:08.850]  There's actually videotape now that's fake electors going into an office where a voting machine is.
[01:10:09.090 --> 01:10:10.130]  Yeah, I heard about that.
[01:10:10.230 --> 01:10:13.930]  They were letting people in, letting unauthorized people in or something like that?
[01:10:14.110 --> 01:10:14.490]  Yep.
[01:10:15.630 --> 01:10:21.750]  I mean, they just tell on themselves all the time, and I don't know why they can't get prosecuted for this crap.
[01:10:22.030 --> 01:10:24.850]  Well, they can, and they will if we demand it.
[01:10:24.950 --> 01:10:32.430]  The thing is, there's always somebody like, you know, the judge in Trump's pocket that will be there to try and protect him.
[01:10:33.090 --> 01:10:39.850]  But if we cry bloody murder when that happens and make a loud fuss about these things, it'll change.
[01:10:45.750 --> 01:10:51.030]  I don't buy this crap about, oh, there'll be rights in the street if Trump is indicted.
[01:10:51.730 --> 01:10:52.350]  It's just...
[01:10:53.830 --> 01:10:55.090]  Or if he isn't.
[01:10:55.350 --> 01:10:57.210]  Yeah, I mean...
[01:10:57.810 --> 01:11:10.570]  Yeah, I mean, there's been lawsuits and everything that's been going on with Trump for so long, where's all these, you know, where's this vast military or whatever he thinks has got behind him?
[01:11:10.670 --> 01:11:13.970]  I mean, the most he got was out on January 6th.
[01:11:15.630 --> 01:11:17.870]  And half of those people were bused in.
[01:11:18.610 --> 01:11:21.270]  People had to take donations, so I'm like, you have to bus them in, right?
[01:11:22.850 --> 01:11:34.290]  So, I don't know where he's supposedly getting all this idea that the blood, the Jews will run red with blood because I got indicted.
[01:11:34.610 --> 01:11:37.670]  It's like, he just needs to choke on the chicken wing.
[01:11:38.090 --> 01:11:39.330]  Well, they're talking big.
[01:11:40.030 --> 01:11:40.350]  Wow.
[01:11:40.910 --> 01:11:51.550]  They've got a lot of money, and they're trying to look a lot bigger and scarier than they are, but I don't think they have the level of righteousness that the rest of us have.
[01:11:52.490 --> 01:11:55.090]  I think a lot of people are waking up and realizing this.
[01:11:55.270 --> 01:11:56.710]  So, let's be open to that.
[01:11:56.790 --> 01:12:04.970]  Let's be open to people that say, wow, I was on quite a trip over the last few years, but I'm ready to come in now and resume living as a rational person.
[01:12:05.610 --> 01:12:07.470]  Let's not be too judgmental.
[01:12:10.210 --> 01:12:13.850]  OEN lost their voice because nobody wanted to pick them up anymore.
[01:12:14.530 --> 01:12:15.330]  Yeah, that's...
[01:12:15.330 --> 01:12:18.510]  Newsmax has a nobody-air TV station now.
[01:12:19.270 --> 01:12:20.510]  What, Newsmax does?
[01:12:21.390 --> 01:12:27.550]  Yeah, because I hooked my TV up in a new place and hooked the antenna up and did scan it.
[01:12:27.730 --> 01:12:28.290]  There it is.
[01:12:28.430 --> 01:12:28.970]  It's Newsmax.
[01:12:28.970 --> 01:12:31.370]  Can you tell us what station that is?
[01:12:35.430 --> 01:12:37.550]  Or just a channel or just something?
[01:12:37.670 --> 01:12:42.930]  Because it might be a sub-carrier on a digital channel or something, but I didn't know that they were...
[01:12:42.930 --> 01:12:44.130]  Are they re-airing somehow?
[01:12:44.350 --> 01:12:45.130]  I mean, you can do that.
[01:12:45.210 --> 01:12:50.670]  You can have cable networks on, say, channel 2.3, but I didn't know...
[01:12:50.670 --> 01:12:52.770]  It's like a dash channel.
[01:12:54.950 --> 01:12:55.610]  Let's see.
[01:12:56.750 --> 01:13:00.250]  You can find all kinds of interesting things if you watch over-the-air TV.
[01:13:00.450 --> 01:13:02.830]  It's just not the same as in the past when you could get distance signals.
[01:13:04.150 --> 01:13:05.590]  You know, I don't mind...
[01:13:07.830 --> 01:13:08.530]  It's just...
[01:13:08.530 --> 01:13:10.510]  It's all rerun stuff, that's the thing.
[01:13:12.750 --> 01:13:13.910]  I just push...
[01:13:13.910 --> 01:13:15.990]  Newsmax is over-the-air now, too.
[01:13:16.610 --> 01:13:17.250]  Is it?
[01:13:17.350 --> 01:13:17.430]  Is it?
[01:13:17.430 --> 01:13:17.530]  Where?
[01:13:18.410 --> 01:13:19.690]  I don't want to sound too eager.
[01:13:19.770 --> 01:13:20.190]  I'm just curious.
[01:13:22.370 --> 01:13:26.310]  Yeah, it was like a 68.12 or something like that here.
[01:13:26.550 --> 01:13:26.750]  Okay.
[01:13:29.190 --> 01:13:31.310]  It's like a sub-channel of a sub-channel.
[01:13:31.810 --> 01:13:33.850]  68.12 is a pretty sub-channel.
[01:13:35.190 --> 01:13:35.670]  Yeah.
[01:13:36.030 --> 01:13:36.730]  It's just...
[01:13:37.490 --> 01:13:41.710]  There's like two game networks now that's over-the-air.
[01:13:42.350 --> 01:13:44.530]  Yeah, there's game show networks.
[01:13:44.730 --> 01:13:51.070]  I don't know why people are watching old game shows, but there's all kinds of things they don't air that would be more interesting, I think.
[01:13:51.350 --> 01:13:51.510]  Yeah.
[01:13:52.810 --> 01:13:54.330]  Well, oh, this has Betty White on it.
[01:13:54.690 --> 01:13:54.790]  Hold on.
[01:13:56.570 --> 01:13:56.930]  Shoot.
[01:13:59.530 --> 01:14:00.770]  Well, I don't know, man.
[01:14:00.890 --> 01:14:06.910]  I just want to wake up one day and, like, jump, die to a chicken...
[01:14:07.770 --> 01:14:10.810]  Yeah, but you see, that's not going to change the...
[01:14:11.710 --> 01:14:14.130]  the pollution that's being spread around.
[01:14:14.330 --> 01:14:15.830]  Nah, he's already in the Elvis status, man.
[01:14:16.090 --> 01:14:18.270]  He's already in the Elvis and Tupac status.
[01:14:18.330 --> 01:14:19.010]  He'll never die.
[01:14:20.370 --> 01:14:22.770]  A hundred years from now, there's going to be conspiracy theories.
[01:14:23.010 --> 01:14:26.010]  Well, we know where Trump is because we saw him, like, in a mall.
[01:14:26.330 --> 01:14:26.730]  Absolutely.
[01:14:26.830 --> 01:14:27.910]  In some people's minds.
[01:14:28.350 --> 01:14:28.730]  Yeah.
[01:14:29.190 --> 01:14:32.470]  But let's just not let it find a place in our minds.
[01:14:33.610 --> 01:14:34.010]  Yeah.
[01:14:35.210 --> 01:14:37.030]  Well, we need to put a stop to it.
[01:14:37.030 --> 01:14:38.110]  Oh, yeah.
[01:14:38.490 --> 01:14:50.390]  I joined up a little, I guess, it's a counter-protest kind of thing, but it's like, more like a troll thing with those Trekker Conway guys.
[01:14:50.550 --> 01:14:50.810]  Okay.
[01:14:51.130 --> 01:14:56.490]  Who morphed into this thing called 1776 and were camping out on the mall in lawn chairs.
[01:14:57.190 --> 01:14:57.730]  Okay.
[01:14:58.050 --> 01:14:58.650]  Breaking into cars.
[01:14:59.150 --> 01:15:00.430]  Breaking into cars?
[01:15:01.350 --> 01:15:02.710]  Yeah, sleeping into cars.
[01:15:02.830 --> 01:15:03.310]  No joke.
[01:15:03.750 --> 01:15:04.150]  Okay.
[01:15:04.590 --> 01:15:06.770]  Wait, how is that part of what they stand for?
[01:15:07.030 --> 01:15:13.890]  I get the 1776 and the anti-vax and trucks and things like that, but breaking into cars, that's a leap.
[01:15:15.290 --> 01:15:21.230]  Well, no, they're just parking their cars there and sleeping in it, and they, like, wake up every few hours and put money in the meter.
[01:15:21.410 --> 01:15:22.730]  Oh, they're parking their cars?
[01:15:23.530 --> 01:15:23.930]  Yeah.
[01:15:24.170 --> 01:15:25.570]  Oh, I thought you said they were breaking into cars.
[01:15:25.570 --> 01:15:25.890]  Okay.
[01:15:26.610 --> 01:15:27.570]  Oh, no, no, no.
[01:15:27.570 --> 01:15:30.050]  That just didn't seem like part of their...
[01:15:30.050 --> 01:15:33.170]  They finally had to move on, but they actually had a...
[01:15:33.170 --> 01:15:34.210]  poop buckets.
[01:15:35.570 --> 01:15:39.670]  Oh, so they didn't want to go into the public bathrooms and stuff?
[01:15:40.630 --> 01:15:41.910]  Wait, what's wrong?
[01:15:42.070 --> 01:15:45.890]  I mean, there's a lot wrong with public bathrooms, but what did they say was wrong with public bathrooms?
[01:15:47.170 --> 01:15:48.050]  I don't know.
[01:15:48.290 --> 01:15:50.750]  It's just Antifa, I guess.
[01:15:51.470 --> 01:15:53.450]  What's Antifa going to do in a public bathroom?
[01:15:54.410 --> 01:15:55.230]  Yeah, I know.
[01:15:56.150 --> 01:15:57.030]  It's just...
[01:15:58.270 --> 01:16:03.430]  They were hanging out in front of the National Art Museum, right?
[01:16:03.550 --> 01:16:06.770]  They're sitting there, you know, we're fighting for your freedom.
[01:16:07.030 --> 01:16:08.310]  Send us PayPal money, right?
[01:16:09.430 --> 01:16:10.610]  Now, imagine this.
[01:16:12.010 --> 01:16:13.270]  You've been to D.C., right?
[01:16:13.910 --> 01:16:15.310]  Yes, not recently, but...
[01:16:15.310 --> 01:16:19.610]  And National Art Museum is right across the mall from the National Air and Space Museum.
[01:16:19.790 --> 01:16:23.130]  You know, when you go into the Air and Space Museum, you can touch the moon rocks, right?
[01:16:23.690 --> 01:16:24.610]  You can touch them?
[01:16:24.770 --> 01:16:25.530]  I didn't know you could touch them.
[01:16:25.630 --> 01:16:26.050]  So you've got the moon rocks on one side?
[01:16:26.610 --> 01:16:29.350]  Yeah, yeah, there's the display where you touch them.
[01:16:29.450 --> 01:16:29.630]  Wow.
[01:16:29.630 --> 01:16:30.470]  You can touch moon rocks.
[01:16:31.290 --> 01:16:32.130]  It's pretty cool.
[01:16:34.630 --> 01:16:45.990]  But on one side, you've got the moon rocks and all these great things of technology and all these, like, things from the history of air and space.
[01:16:47.250 --> 01:16:50.910]  On the other side, you've got all these great paintings.
[01:16:50.910 --> 01:17:02.270]  So you got the original painting of Washington going over to Delaware, all that stuff you saw in school, and the nose and all that, the nays and whatnot.
[01:17:02.870 --> 01:17:09.330]  And right in the middle of there, it's a bunch of rednecks sitting on lawn chairs asking for money and pooping in a bucket.
[01:17:09.850 --> 01:17:11.930]  Well, that's a part of our history now.
[01:17:12.870 --> 01:17:15.970]  That's going to be taught to students for decades to come.
[01:17:15.970 --> 01:17:17.430]  It's just crazy stuff, man.
[01:17:17.550 --> 01:17:23.190]  I mean, I've been participating in a... they call themselves BTM Behind the Mirror.
[01:17:23.570 --> 01:17:27.390]  We're just trying to poke holes in this kind of crap.
[01:17:27.970 --> 01:17:28.810]  You know what I mean?
[01:17:28.870 --> 01:17:31.430]  Just trying to expose them for what it is.
[01:17:32.070 --> 01:17:35.270]  Yeah, and focus on what we want instead of this.
[01:17:36.490 --> 01:17:37.010]  Absolutely.
[01:17:37.430 --> 01:17:45.350]  Because that's the kind of imagination that is worth our energy instead of figuring out why and what they're doing.
[01:17:45.350 --> 01:17:47.250]  Well, now we know what rock bottom is.
[01:17:47.370 --> 01:17:49.470]  We can just point our finger and say, that's rock bottom.
[01:17:49.470 --> 01:17:51.030]  We want something better than that.
[01:17:51.450 --> 01:17:52.610]  And take it from there.
[01:17:53.870 --> 01:17:59.150]  They would have drunk karaoke at night to raise money on the mall.
[01:18:00.370 --> 01:18:02.410]  And run around on these e-scooters.
[01:18:02.570 --> 01:18:05.830]  Run around on these e-scooters because they were quote-unquote security.
[01:18:07.350 --> 01:18:11.170]  Now, this was... is this still happening or is this from the past?
[01:18:11.670 --> 01:18:13.330]  It's sort of still happening.
[01:18:16.970 --> 01:18:20.070]  It's... look up Convoy Santa on YouTube.
[01:18:20.650 --> 01:18:24.330]  Look up Meanwhile and Convoy.
[01:18:24.570 --> 01:18:27.770]  Or Meanwhile and 1776 Restoration Movement.
[01:18:27.910 --> 01:18:29.830]  I doubt I'd want to see that, but...
[01:18:30.690 --> 01:18:32.170]  No, you gotta see, man.
[01:18:32.290 --> 01:18:40.910]  They got... they actually got in a fight with each other over who was... who was holding their hand over their heart when they were saying the Pledge of Allegiance one day.
[01:18:41.070 --> 01:18:42.170]  Well, couldn't they both have been?
[01:18:44.230 --> 01:18:46.130]  No, because they were fighting over it.
[01:18:46.210 --> 01:18:52.390]  It's like... well, as you can see here, they... that guy over there is not holding his heart.
[01:18:52.590 --> 01:18:55.110]  Holding his hand over his heart when he's saying the Pledge of Allegiance.
[01:18:55.110 --> 01:18:58.650]  Well, some people's hearts are actually in different parts of their body.
[01:18:58.770 --> 01:19:01.230]  I mean, some are more to the left, some are more to the right, so...
[01:19:01.230 --> 01:19:03.750]  you'd have to do a thorough exam to know for sure.
[01:19:04.630 --> 01:19:08.430]  They're pretty much getting in fights like it's in front of joggers and stuff on the mall.
[01:19:10.270 --> 01:19:10.630]  Wow.
[01:19:10.970 --> 01:19:17.750]  I mean, can you just imagine going down there one day with your kids or something like that and it's like, we're going to the National... we're going to the Natural History Museum.
[01:19:18.050 --> 01:19:20.730]  And then you hear all these rednecks down there just like...
[01:19:21.170 --> 01:19:22.430]  blaring a bunch of stuff.
[01:19:23.050 --> 01:19:26.130]  And you go down there and you smell poop.
[01:19:27.350 --> 01:19:30.890]  Well, it's a good smell to associate with them, I think.
[01:19:31.030 --> 01:19:32.410]  But let me just ask you this question.
[01:19:32.450 --> 01:19:34.430]  Now that you're in Virginia, can you get to D.C.
[01:19:34.590 --> 01:19:35.130]  fairly easily?
[01:19:37.630 --> 01:19:41.030]  Not like I could before the nearest bus stop for Megabus.
[01:19:41.210 --> 01:19:42.230]  It's like an hour away.
[01:19:42.670 --> 01:19:43.030]  Okay.
[01:19:43.190 --> 01:19:45.290]  But I think I can get my brother to drop me off.
[01:19:45.450 --> 01:19:48.010]  My other brother to drop me off and pick the Megabus out there.
[01:19:48.190 --> 01:19:48.450]  Uh-huh.
[01:19:48.890 --> 01:19:50.030]  The Megabus is pretty sweet.
[01:19:51.030 --> 01:19:53.790]  I can get tickets for like a dollar going up there and back.
[01:19:53.930 --> 01:19:54.550]  Oh, that's pretty cool.
[01:19:54.710 --> 01:19:54.910]  Wow.
[01:19:55.490 --> 01:20:01.550]  So now you just need a micro bus to take you to the Megabus so that you can, you know, just go door to door.
[01:20:01.930 --> 01:20:02.630]  And then you can...
[01:20:02.630 --> 01:20:03.810]  We have a...
[01:20:03.810 --> 01:20:08.090]  Marion does have like a free transit bus.
[01:20:08.230 --> 01:20:08.530]  Uh-huh.
[01:20:09.830 --> 01:20:14.130]  That, uh, I've been riding around and, you know, go get my stuff since I can't drive anymore.
[01:20:14.390 --> 01:20:14.790]  Okay.
[01:20:15.690 --> 01:20:17.630]  Um, like wash my clothes and junk like that.
[01:20:17.770 --> 01:20:19.490]  I had to give up my washer and dryer and stuff.
[01:20:19.590 --> 01:20:21.070]  They kind of dragged me out of my place.
[01:20:21.870 --> 01:20:27.090]  Because they said they didn't want me to get sick like my brother did and made me stuck out there.
[01:20:27.090 --> 01:20:31.150]  Which I understand, but, you know, I, I, like...
[01:20:31.710 --> 01:20:33.050]  Out here there's nothing, man.
[01:20:33.150 --> 01:20:33.430]  There's...
[01:20:33.430 --> 01:20:34.490]  I can't go to the theater.
[01:20:34.710 --> 01:20:36.010]  I can't do anything.
[01:20:36.290 --> 01:20:37.750]  And I go and grow up home.
[01:20:37.770 --> 01:20:39.110]  There's like two restaurants.
[01:20:39.630 --> 01:20:39.810]  Uh-huh.
[01:20:40.910 --> 01:20:41.710]  Well, there's...
[01:20:41.710 --> 01:20:42.470]  It's pretty low rent.
[01:20:42.570 --> 01:20:43.290]  There's other places.
[01:20:43.290 --> 01:20:46.870]  Maybe you could, you could, you could migrate to another place in, in Virginia.
[01:20:48.050 --> 01:20:49.070]  Yeah, that's true.
[01:20:49.230 --> 01:20:49.350]  Yeah.
[01:20:50.050 --> 01:20:52.030]  Um, but I hope I can make it to D.C.
[01:20:52.170 --> 01:20:52.410]  again.
[01:20:52.710 --> 01:20:55.590]  Um, I'll do a guy with you out there so I can make fun of him a little bit.
[01:20:55.710 --> 01:20:55.990]  Uh-huh.
[01:20:56.450 --> 01:21:01.530]  Yeah, it's good to go into town and just, uh, you know, sit in on Congress or just see other things that are going on.
[01:21:01.770 --> 01:21:02.610]  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:21:02.610 --> 01:21:03.210]  It's very accessible.
[01:21:03.350 --> 01:21:07.750]  I've been, I've been to the White House before and I've been to, um, to the Capitol before.
[01:21:08.030 --> 01:21:09.830]  And that's what kills me about these guys.
[01:21:09.970 --> 01:21:15.490]  Like, you know, you can go get a tour to the White House with a self-paced tour and all that.
[01:21:15.630 --> 01:21:15.890]  Uh-huh.
[01:21:16.530 --> 01:21:19.330]  And the self-tour, you could go to the Capitol and you could take it.
[01:21:20.290 --> 01:21:23.590]  You could actually probably just go up to the office and knock on their door.
[01:21:23.770 --> 01:21:27.110]  We went, uh, Kyle and I went to, uh, one of the Benghazi hearings with Hillary Clinton.
[01:21:27.230 --> 01:21:29.030]  You know, the one where she was there for like eight hours.
[01:21:29.350 --> 01:21:41.930]  In fact, we took an Amtrak down there and then we, we sat in for an hour or two and then we went back up to New York and we were on the LIRR after Amtrak and she was still in front of that committee at that point.
[01:21:42.050 --> 01:21:44.530]  That's, that's how long that hearing was.
[01:21:44.590 --> 01:21:47.730]  But it was so amazing that we could just go down there, be a part of it.
[01:21:47.810 --> 01:21:48.690]  We were in the hallways.
[01:21:48.690 --> 01:21:50.950]  Congressmen were walking by, you know, back and forth.
[01:21:51.550 --> 01:21:56.390]  And it was very, you know, once, once you're through the metal detector, you can go anywhere you want pretty much.
[01:21:56.570 --> 01:21:59.710]  And, uh, you're treated like a real person, not like a security risk.
[01:21:59.850 --> 01:22:02.990]  I definitely want to go to the gallery and be in the gallery one day.
[01:22:03.430 --> 01:22:05.010]  I haven't been able to be in the gallery.
[01:22:05.070 --> 01:22:05.270]  Yeah.
[01:22:05.270 --> 01:22:05.850]  I've never done that.
[01:22:05.990 --> 01:22:06.690]  That would be kind of cool.
[01:22:08.330 --> 01:22:10.970]  Like, uh, heckle like, uh, Lindsey Graham or somebody.
[01:22:12.610 --> 01:22:14.150]  Oh, I'm sorry.
[01:22:14.310 --> 01:22:14.850]  Are we on the radio?
[01:22:15.110 --> 01:22:17.510]  We're not on the radio, but, but still we prefer it.
[01:22:17.530 --> 01:22:17.890]  Oh, thank God.
[01:22:18.090 --> 01:22:19.210]  That's the death part that we do.
[01:22:20.510 --> 01:22:23.550]  But we are, we are going to go because it's after nine o'clock now.
[01:22:23.550 --> 01:22:25.570]  And, uh, any other thoughts?
[01:22:26.150 --> 01:22:26.450]  Yeah.
[01:22:26.550 --> 01:22:26.790]  Yeah.
[01:22:26.930 --> 01:22:27.610]  Any other concluding thoughts?
[01:22:27.610 --> 01:22:27.850]  Oh, no.
[01:22:27.910 --> 01:22:29.550]  We hate to rush you out, but...
[01:22:30.410 --> 01:22:30.990]  Yeah, no.
[01:22:31.250 --> 01:22:33.790]  Well, I'm glad to talk to you guys again, man.
[01:22:33.890 --> 01:22:36.850]  I kind of missed the crazy conversations with that.
[01:22:37.050 --> 01:22:39.570]  And, you know, it keeps me happy.
[01:22:40.310 --> 01:22:43.810]  It keeps me engaged in life, you know?
[01:22:43.990 --> 01:22:45.350]  It's really just a...
[01:22:45.350 --> 01:22:45.610]  Yeah.
[01:22:45.810 --> 01:22:48.870]  Stay engaged because that, that definitely is the key to everything.
[01:22:49.350 --> 01:22:53.390]  And, uh, look forward to more conversations in the future because we'll be around for sure.
[01:22:53.650 --> 01:22:56.250]  And, uh, you know, you, you sound like you landed on your feet.
[01:22:56.350 --> 01:22:57.350]  So that's, that's a good thing.
[01:22:57.450 --> 01:22:58.910]  And, and, uh, it'll, it'll get better.
[01:22:59.090 --> 01:22:59.250]  Yeah.
[01:22:59.350 --> 01:23:01.710]  I just got a, I got a new recliner coming in.
[01:23:01.890 --> 01:23:02.250]  Cool.
[01:23:02.690 --> 01:23:05.450]  It's got heat on it and like a vibrating stuff on it.
[01:23:05.530 --> 01:23:07.630]  So my back and legs hurt.
[01:23:07.790 --> 01:23:08.030]  Uh-huh.
[01:23:08.130 --> 01:23:08.770]  Like, chill.
[01:23:09.810 --> 01:23:11.490]  That's the American dream right there.
[01:23:12.410 --> 01:23:12.910]  I know.
[01:23:13.070 --> 01:23:14.910]  Just sitting there, just watching something on TV.
[01:23:15.170 --> 01:23:15.450]  Mm-hmm.
[01:23:16.930 --> 01:23:17.730]  Give me a beer.
[01:23:18.630 --> 01:23:18.810]  Um.
[01:23:19.570 --> 01:23:23.610]  Keep it, keep exploring the digital TV channels because you find all kinds of interesting things when you do that.
[01:23:24.670 --> 01:23:30.530]  Well, there is like a, a button that you can slide up and down on the, on the, uh, antenna.
[01:23:30.790 --> 01:23:32.750]  And I'm not sure if that's with strength or not.
[01:23:33.490 --> 01:23:34.830]  So I'm going to toy around with that.
[01:23:34.950 --> 01:23:38.850]  I've been toying around with, uh, AS, uh, ASDB.
[01:23:41.250 --> 01:23:44.430]  ASD, uh, ASDB, it's, it, it tracks airplanes, right?
[01:23:44.630 --> 01:23:44.870]  Oh.
[01:23:44.870 --> 01:23:51.330]  So I got a little Raspberry Pi, but, uh, and, uh, uh, I, I, I've been tracking airplanes just for fun.
[01:23:52.590 --> 01:23:58.970]  And, um, and I'm trying to get, I'm going to get an L-band antenna.
[01:23:59.810 --> 01:24:03.650]  Cause if you have an L-band antenna, you can like, uh, point it north or something like that.
[01:24:03.750 --> 01:24:08.370]  And you can try to download, like, images from NOAA satellites and stuff like that.
[01:24:10.370 --> 01:24:20.250]  Also, I've been seeing some YouTube stuff where people have actually been, like, using those satellites, like, bouncing stuff off, like, the drug cartels and stuff like that.
[01:24:20.290 --> 01:24:21.630]  And you can actually listen in to them.
[01:24:22.030 --> 01:24:22.730]  Oh, wow.
[01:24:23.210 --> 01:24:24.110]  So I'm not doing that.
[01:24:24.130 --> 01:24:27.210]  And I got my FM transmitter out, out of storage.
[01:24:27.210 --> 01:24:27.830]  It's here.
[01:24:27.970 --> 01:24:29.790]  I just got to get, like, hook it up.
[01:24:30.050 --> 01:24:31.750]  It only goes out 300 feet.
[01:24:32.590 --> 01:24:35.550]  I'm thinking about getting an antenna that does 5.2 miles.
[01:24:35.830 --> 01:24:36.250]  Okay.
[01:24:36.250 --> 01:24:38.530]  But I don't know if I can legally do that.
[01:24:39.710 --> 01:24:41.290]  Well, there's only one way to find out.
[01:24:42.410 --> 01:24:42.910]  I know.
[01:24:43.310 --> 01:24:44.350]  But I got...
[01:24:44.350 --> 01:24:46.550]  Have you heard the sound of the black hole?
[01:24:46.910 --> 01:24:47.830]  The black hole sound?
[01:24:48.730 --> 01:24:49.930]  There was a...
[01:24:49.930 --> 01:24:53.150]  Yeah, I heard a clip of it, uh, briefly.
[01:24:53.410 --> 01:24:54.910]  Yeah, it sounds just like demons, right?
[01:24:55.030 --> 01:24:56.070]  It's a recreation, yeah.
[01:24:56.190 --> 01:24:57.490]  It's like a...
[01:24:57.490 --> 01:24:59.390]  Well, here's my plan.
[01:24:59.510 --> 01:25:01.950]  If I go to jail for it and get in the noose, you know what happens.
[01:25:02.670 --> 01:25:03.450]  Here's my plan.
[01:25:03.590 --> 01:25:04.750]  I got my transmitter, right?
[01:25:04.850 --> 01:25:05.150]  Uh-huh.
[01:25:05.150 --> 01:25:07.050]  And I can get that antenna, right?
[01:25:07.110 --> 01:25:07.990]  It's only 80 bucks.
[01:25:08.130 --> 01:25:09.170]  No shit's been in here.
[01:25:09.850 --> 01:25:10.290]  Okay.
[01:25:10.470 --> 01:25:11.070]  And, um...
[01:25:11.070 --> 01:25:12.750]  It goes out 5 miles.
[01:25:13.150 --> 01:25:14.270]  And, um...
[01:25:14.270 --> 01:25:15.950]  I'm just gonna, like...
[01:25:15.950 --> 01:25:16.810]  Pick up sound.
[01:25:16.970 --> 01:25:19.090]  I'm gonna record a bunch of crazy stuff, like...
[01:25:19.090 --> 01:25:21.270]  Trump is your king, and...
[01:25:21.270 --> 01:25:22.650]  And, like, uh...
[01:25:22.650 --> 01:25:23.710]  The saints have left.
[01:25:23.870 --> 01:25:24.990]  All the Christians have left.
[01:25:25.130 --> 01:25:25.970]  You're left behind.
[01:25:26.250 --> 01:25:26.790]  And then...
[01:25:26.790 --> 01:25:29.070]  Trump is the son of Satan and stuff like that.
[01:25:35.150 --> 01:25:36.250]  That sounds like fun.
[01:25:36.430 --> 01:25:39.930]  You know, it reminds me of some of the things we used to do back in the...
[01:25:39.930 --> 01:25:44.890]  I guess this was the 90s, where we'd have a little FM transmitter.
[01:25:45.210 --> 01:25:51.350]  You know, it fits in your pocket, and it's only enough to transmit in a room.
[01:25:51.470 --> 01:25:52.550]  Won't go further than that.
[01:25:53.210 --> 01:25:56.470]  And you could tune it to various stations.
[01:25:56.470 --> 01:26:02.610]  So if you're walking into, say, a drugstore, and you know they're listening to a particular radio station, you tune it to that frequency.
[01:26:03.030 --> 01:26:10.010]  And so we replaced the easy listening with, you know, hard rap, with all kinds of language.
[01:26:10.210 --> 01:26:14.590]  And literally, people were running down the aisles saying, Oh, my God!
[01:26:14.810 --> 01:26:16.750]  You would think there was a tidal wave coming.
[01:26:17.970 --> 01:26:20.150]  Well, here's the question, right?
[01:26:20.590 --> 01:26:28.510]  Say if I was, like, beside the prank stuff, like, just go, like, in 87 point whatever, something that's open, right?
[01:26:28.650 --> 01:26:28.810]  Right.
[01:26:30.170 --> 01:26:36.230]  Would you guys mind if I, like, took the podcast version of the show and just, like, played over the air?
[01:26:36.610 --> 01:26:38.970]  We have no objection to anyone doing anything like that.
[01:26:38.990 --> 01:26:47.570]  Keep in mind, though, you know, you used a word before that would not be allowed over broadcast radio, but that's on...
[01:26:47.570 --> 01:26:51.650]  Well, first of all, you're also broadcasting illegally, so then you've got two counts against you right there.
[01:26:51.810 --> 01:26:53.430]  But we don't care.
[01:26:53.470 --> 01:26:53.770]  Oh, yeah.
[01:26:53.770 --> 01:26:54.230]  We don't care.
[01:26:54.330 --> 01:26:56.170]  If you want to do that, it's on you.
[01:26:56.170 --> 01:27:00.330]  Yeah, if you'd like to use this material in psychological warfare, please, we encourage that.
[01:27:00.530 --> 01:27:01.150]  Well, yeah, we did.
[01:27:01.430 --> 01:27:05.030]  The FCC does allow you to have a personal FM transmitter.
[01:27:05.290 --> 01:27:05.510]  Okay.
[01:27:06.130 --> 01:27:10.270]  It can't overlap already established channels, right?
[01:27:10.730 --> 01:27:11.730]  At least in theory.
[01:27:12.010 --> 01:27:12.230]  Mm-hmm.
[01:27:12.790 --> 01:27:14.930]  And I can't remember how far it can go out.
[01:27:16.430 --> 01:27:18.030]  Well, the other thing...
[01:27:18.030 --> 01:27:27.970]  I figured if I could start my own little radio station, you know, just a little something that isn't better than country music or like oldies.
[01:27:28.090 --> 01:27:46.430]  I'm not going to say yes or no to this, but I will say that in the area, somewhere in the area, for years, and I'm talking five plus years, there was a pirate radio station in the middle of the commercial part of the FM band.
[01:27:46.610 --> 01:27:50.090]  And that's like, you know, 102, 103 in there.
[01:27:50.270 --> 01:28:01.790]  It was broadcasting, and you could hear it for around 10 miles, broadcasting all kinds of popular music, and it stayed on the air for over five years, 24 hours a day.
[01:28:02.150 --> 01:28:04.990]  And the reason it did was because nobody complained.
[01:28:05.430 --> 01:28:08.330]  It's only when someone complains that the FCC takes an interest.
[01:28:08.550 --> 01:28:18.090]  So, yeah, a pirate station can exist, 24 hours, playing commercial music in the commercial part of the FM band, and if nobody takes the initiative to complain, it'll keep broadcasting.
[01:28:18.090 --> 01:28:19.950]  So that's all I'm going to say on that subject.
[01:28:20.010 --> 01:28:22.670]  Yeah, but I want to expand more than just music, man.
[01:28:22.670 --> 01:28:26.350]  I want to, like, I can do this with shoutcast, no problem.
[01:28:26.430 --> 01:28:31.310]  Well, when you start saying ideas and controversial things, that's when people start taking...
[01:28:31.310 --> 01:28:39.550]  I mean, people have complained about us on BAI, a legitimate station, a legitimate signal, a legitimate show, because they don't like what we say.
[01:28:40.030 --> 01:28:43.230]  So, yeah, when you start saying things, then you get more enemies.
[01:28:43.370 --> 01:28:44.230]  You might make friends.
[01:28:44.650 --> 01:28:45.230]  Friends, too.
[01:28:45.470 --> 01:28:58.670]  I mean, I'm going to take my dog and a poster board and just hang outside the courthouse and run around the city hall and complain about the sidewalks around here and why we have to travel 30, 40 miles and watch a movie in a theater.
[01:28:58.970 --> 01:28:59.290]  Mm-hmm.
[01:29:00.010 --> 01:29:01.510]  And they don't have walking...
[01:29:01.510 --> 01:29:03.730]  They don't have talking crosswalks either.
[01:29:04.390 --> 01:29:06.650]  So here I am, like, you know, legally blind.
[01:29:06.910 --> 01:29:09.650]  I just don't want anything to get hit by a car, guys.
[01:29:09.750 --> 01:29:10.190]  That's it.
[01:29:10.410 --> 01:29:11.150]  I mean, I just...
[01:29:11.990 --> 01:29:24.890]  I just want to be able to get to where I need to go without worrying about having to die, because there's branches hit me in the face and I have to avoid them, and I can't tell when it's safe to cross the street.
[01:29:25.330 --> 01:29:27.330]  It's not asking much.
[01:29:27.530 --> 01:29:29.170]  Is there a local newspaper where you are?
[01:29:30.190 --> 01:29:30.990]  Oh, yeah.
[01:29:31.250 --> 01:29:31.390]  Yeah.
[01:29:31.630 --> 01:29:34.150]  There's a local newspaper for your town, for your community?
[01:29:35.610 --> 01:29:36.130]  Yeah.
[01:29:36.510 --> 01:29:36.710]  Okay.
[01:29:36.910 --> 01:29:37.530]  Write to them.
[01:29:37.690 --> 01:29:38.190]  Write a letter.
[01:29:38.690 --> 01:29:41.510]  Start getting people thinking about these concerns of yours.
[01:29:41.510 --> 01:29:47.950]  And then, find out who represents you, both on the national, state, and county level.
[01:29:48.390 --> 01:29:49.090]  Contact them.
[01:29:49.250 --> 01:29:52.490]  Many times, they'll be responsive, because so few people do contact them.
[01:29:54.430 --> 01:29:57.930]  Well, you know, it's kind of dumb.
[01:29:58.210 --> 01:30:07.450]  I mean, it's the town's obligation to make sure that the sidewalks are passable, right?
[01:30:07.650 --> 01:30:07.930]  Mm-hmm.
[01:30:08.030 --> 01:30:09.490]  But you've got to speak up, though.
[01:30:09.710 --> 01:30:11.390]  Otherwise, they're not going to do anything on their own.
[01:30:11.950 --> 01:30:16.750]  If you start lobbying, you'll become a voice, and you'll actually start getting power.
[01:30:17.390 --> 01:30:18.570]  And people will listen to you.
[01:30:18.610 --> 01:30:20.010]  I'm going to run this town.
[01:30:21.050 --> 01:30:22.730]  You'll be running this town before you know it.
[01:30:23.810 --> 01:30:24.350]  Yeah, man.
[01:30:24.870 --> 01:30:27.430]  I'm going to run for town, and then I'm going to run for Senate.
[01:30:28.150 --> 01:30:28.770]  Why not?
[01:30:31.310 --> 01:30:34.130]  And vote for me and 24th for president.
[01:30:34.630 --> 01:30:35.130]  Oh, yeah.
[01:30:35.330 --> 01:30:35.810]  President, maybe.
[01:30:35.970 --> 01:30:39.050]  But, yeah, we can't vote for you for a representative, because we have a vote there.
[01:30:39.090 --> 01:30:40.170]  Hey, if Trump can do it, I can do it.
[01:30:40.410 --> 01:30:41.190]  Well, yeah.
[01:30:42.270 --> 01:30:43.170]  Hold on to that thought.
[01:30:43.330 --> 01:30:45.010]  Yeah, that's a good way to end.
[01:30:45.890 --> 01:30:47.470]  But listen, great hearing from you again.
[01:30:48.170 --> 01:30:50.470]  Best of luck for everything, and we look forward to talking to you again.
[01:30:51.690 --> 01:30:52.230]  Okay, man.
[01:30:52.470 --> 01:30:52.670]  All right.
[01:30:52.710 --> 01:30:52.930]  Be well.
[01:30:53.050 --> 01:30:53.810]  See you later, and have fun.
[01:30:53.950 --> 01:30:54.150]  All right.
[01:30:54.870 --> 01:30:55.270]  All right.
[01:30:55.330 --> 01:30:55.630]  Take care.
[01:30:56.710 --> 01:30:57.090]  You too.
[01:30:58.530 --> 01:30:59.690]  Good call, huh?
[01:31:00.590 --> 01:31:00.770]  Yeah.
[01:31:01.710 --> 01:31:06.790]  Yeah, I'm so saddened to hear about his brother and his dog, though.
[01:31:07.070 --> 01:31:07.170]  Yeah.
[01:31:07.570 --> 01:31:08.150]  Yeah, it is something.
[01:31:08.330 --> 01:31:13.350]  So, you know, my sincere condolences and glad to hear from him again.
[01:31:13.830 --> 01:31:14.050]  Yeah.
[01:31:14.910 --> 01:31:16.990]  But he's a fighter, and that's what we like.
[01:31:17.030 --> 01:31:20.430]  We like people who fight back and speak out when something's wrong.
[01:31:21.330 --> 01:31:21.890]  That's true.
[01:31:22.490 --> 01:31:23.930]  We all like to do that.
[01:31:24.030 --> 01:31:24.870]  We don't like to do that.
[01:31:24.870 --> 01:31:26.130]  We all feel we have to do that.
[01:31:26.230 --> 01:31:27.390]  And it's good when it works.
[01:31:27.870 --> 01:31:30.050]  And it works when you speak up.
[01:31:32.030 --> 01:31:33.250]  It doesn't work when you don't say anything.
[01:31:33.250 --> 01:31:33.870]  Yeah.
[01:31:34.490 --> 01:31:38.470]  Even if it doesn't make sense, you'll eventually, you know, people will listen.
[01:31:38.650 --> 01:31:45.550]  They'll try to figure out what you're pointing at, what you're shining light on, and calling attention to.
[01:31:45.730 --> 01:31:49.490]  Well, we're past the point of making sense, because we've been on overtime for over an hour and a half now.
[01:31:49.490 --> 01:31:51.990]  So, it's time we wrap things up.
[01:31:52.550 --> 01:31:53.950]  Again, we're not on next week.
[01:31:54.110 --> 01:31:57.430]  I don't know if I said we were on next week on the radio show, but we are not.
[01:31:57.470 --> 01:31:58.290]  We're preempted.
[01:31:58.370 --> 01:31:58.730]  Yet again.
[01:31:59.190 --> 01:31:59.790]  That's fine.
[01:31:59.890 --> 01:32:00.270]  That's fine.
[01:32:00.350 --> 01:32:01.130]  We have other things to do.
[01:32:01.310 --> 01:32:02.350]  Please write us letters.
[01:32:02.350 --> 01:32:03.090]  Yes.
[01:32:03.250 --> 01:32:05.090]  O-T-H at 2600.com.
[01:32:05.490 --> 01:32:06.110]  That's our email address.
[01:32:06.370 --> 01:32:17.630]  Tell us about stories or things that were hacked, or that you hacked, and that you think we could talk about, and that might be interesting, or that you have a question about, or would like our opinion on.
[01:32:17.950 --> 01:32:18.210]  Mm-hmm.
[01:32:18.650 --> 01:32:20.590]  And sometimes we read those letters over the air.
[01:32:22.330 --> 01:32:26.770]  Any final words from out there in Skypeland?
[01:32:27.690 --> 01:32:28.710]  Stay safe out there.
[01:32:30.370 --> 01:32:31.870]  Yeah, I guess, right?
[01:32:31.870 --> 01:32:31.970]  All right.
[01:32:32.390 --> 01:32:33.310]  We'll see you in two weeks.
[01:32:33.410 --> 01:32:40.150]  This has been a nice marathon session over time, and hope everybody stays safe.
[01:32:40.250 --> 01:32:40.810]  Have a great night.
[01:32:41.170 --> 01:32:41.410]  Mm-hmm.
[01:32:41.490 --> 01:32:42.010]  Best wishes.
[01:32:42.230 --> 01:32:42.630]  Warmest regards.
[01:32:43.570 --> 01:32:44.410]  Oh, that's nice.
[01:32:44.970 --> 01:32:45.510]  Good night, everybody.