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And somewhere we have Alex.
Yes.
Happy Thursday from Prague.
You know, it's weird.
You're over there in Czechia, I believe is what we were supposed to call it.
Some people call it the Czech Republic, but I prefer Czech Republic.
Yes.
Well, if you ask the people, they'll stick your head out a window and ask people, what country am I in?
And I'm sure people will say Czechia to the American.
Yeah, that's quite possible.
But anyway, you sound better there than you do here.
You know, not what you're saying.
I'm saying the audio quality.
So maybe, you know, take some notes over there.
They have better connections or something?
Well, they do a lot of things better here is really what it seems like.
Yeah, I was going to recommend a place for you to go, this amazing restaurant.
But I looked on Google Street View and they went out of business.
So what was the place, though?
Because I don't, I can't possibly pronounce it.
Oof Leco?
You know, if I have the address wrong, I had to try to find it based on where something else was.
But that something else might not be there either.
So I might be in completely the wrong part of town.
You know what?
Yeah, it's called Oof Leco.
Yeah, it had the golden arches.
Yeah, it's like a traditional restaurant.
They usually have music.
A lot of American food.
It's like a Czech beer hall.
Uh-huh.
Yeah.
With like long tables.
We were sitting there once and there was a person with a dog.
Oh, boy, the dog.
Yeah.
Like a dog at the table.
It just, well, it just goes to show you how different things are in some countries and here.
But yeah, this guy had his little tiny dog with him.
And I remember the waiter coming over and saying to him,
Sir, you can have your dog at the table, not on the table.
That's the line in Prague.
He like negotiated it.
It's his pocket dog.
Yeah, yeah.
It was a lot of fun.
How long are you there, Alex?
Well, I got in.
I left New York on Sunday night.
I got in here Monday, Monday late morning, and I'm here until tomorrow.
So I'm here for the ICANN meeting, the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers, as our listeners undoubtedly know.
That's the corporation that regulates the stability and the security of the Internet.
And there's big Internet governance meeting happening here.
So I'm here, and I haven't been here since 1999, if you can believe that.
And I had crazy experiences here in 1998, 1999.
And the one thing that I really like about Prague is that despite there being, I think, so much more westernization over the last 26 years,
the roots of the city have really stayed the same.
It really has this kind of, this contrarian, this spirit to it.
And as a good example, today I went to a place, actually, that our very dear friend of this show, Virgil, had recommended that I visit,
which was the Institute for Crypto Anarchy.
Now, someplace like that, I feel like, could only exist in Prague.
I mean, I think this is a wonderful city, a great country, very contrarian in so many ways,
and just manifests and captures the hacker spirit on so many dimensions.
Be sure to visit Kafka's house if you have the chance near the castle.
Yeah, I hope so.
There's so many things.
I mean, literally quite down, just down the street from me is the Slavia Cafe, Cafe Slavia, which has a Van Gogh, the absinthe drinkers, right?
And just kind of hanging out in the dining room.
So the city has got so many treasures and is really wonderful.
And I was so excited to come back here after 26 years, and I'm not disappointed.
That's what's making me most happy is that I'm not disappointed after 26 years.
Well, it's good to hear that, and it's good that you're over there.
You're not really missing much over here.
I know.
Nothing's really going on.
We have a city, too, and our city has some activities going on.
Many cities, in fact, are having some activities going on.
Before we get into that, there's a few things.
First of all, you might have missed this story.
It happened last Friday.
But basically, oh, yeah, the phone's ringing.
I should point out there is no overtime tonight.
So anybody calling in, you're wasting your time.
We won't be taking phone calls either on this show, and there won't be an overtime on YouTube tonight.
And it's mostly because Alex is so far away, and it's very late, and we don't want to put him through that.
Next week, though.
Next week.
So New York State lawmakers have passed a bill to preserve media access to police radio feeds as law enforcement agencies increasingly encrypt their communications.
This is something we've talked about a number of times.
You know, turning on a scanner, finding out what the cops are up to, it's a traditional American pastime, and a journalistic pastime, too, I might point out.
Now, the proposal was actually approved last Thursday.
It would require police departments to grant journalists and emergency services organizations access to their encrypted radio communications.
Imagine that.
It allows for exemptions of information deemed sensitive, which knowing the police means everything.
But it's a step.
The state will need to come up with exact rules on how access will work under the proposal.
It's a victory for media organizations whose reporters and photographers often tune in to police radio chatter and then zip over to crime scenes or other big happenings in search of stories.
Of course, you know, as with anything, the police, the authorities will say, if we give out that information, it's a security risk, even though this information has always been publicly available.
So this is something that we should keep a very close eye on, see that Governor Hochul signs this, because once these rights, these abilities are taken away, they never come back.
And as you might have noticed over the past few days and over the years, police tend to hide things.
They're not always forthright with what's going on, and they're up to a lot.
So it's worth knowing what they're up to and having the means to do that and to share information.
Yeah, they're people, and they're in can be bad as well as good at their jobs.
And I think that's forgotten in the way we deify those in positions of authority.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
Yes, Rob.
Yeah, I think what's going on now in Los Angeles is a huge illustration of why we need every possible measure we can claw our hands on to keep the authorities accountable.
And the open police radio feeds is one of the most vital tools to do that, not only for journalists, but just for general public record of the things that are going on there.
And the loss of that would be hideous.
Absolutely.
Now, are you referring to ICE or LAPD or the Sheriff's Department or the California Highway Patrol?
Just stop me any time.
I was thinking more in the general sense of the authorities, which right now it's kind of an open question as to who's the biggest trouble over there right now.
Well, it's interesting because LAPD and Governor Newsom are all saying they're not cooperating with the immigration folks, ICE, with their horrible raids and intimidation tactics.
However, they still are part of the apparatus that basically exists to keep people from expressing themselves in the streets, from inconveniencing people, from showing force of their own, showing outrage of their own.
So, you know, it's it kind of gets muddied and the media certainly forgets what the object of protests are, i.e. facing down against unfair immigration practices.
And we see a battle against the police between demonstrators and police and it becomes that and we lose sight of what the actual issue is.
And I think some demonstrators might lose sight of that as well.
Maybe that's the point.
Maybe that's part of the strategy so that we don't have an actual conversation.
We don't actually try and and address these issues, but they certainly are being confronted all around the country.
And it's it's it's pretty amazing.
I was watching News 12 local quote unquote news station.
I put that in quotes because they do about 10 minutes of news a day.
But the bit of news they did today had to do with ICE raids in Nassau County, I believe in Westbury, where basically the conclusion was that ICE wasn't able to do their job today because of interference.
And to me, that just sends a very loud message that it works when you get out there, when you block them, when you make their lives miserable and impossible to fulfill these tasks.
Yeah, they they they're not able to do that.
And you might look like somebody that is is causing trouble because you are you're causing trouble.
And sometimes you need to cause trouble.
You know, good trouble, I believe is the phrase.
Alex, did you have something?
I mean, I look, I always have something to add here.
I think there there's always a place for civil disobedience.
There's always a place where I want to bring it back to the to the issue of radio frequencies being publicly accessible and transparent.
And that's part of this, too.
I mean, part part of this civil disobedience is sort of understanding and having a having knowledge about what the authorities are up to, where they're going.
And that's not wrong.
It's not wrong to have that knowledge.
It should be within your reach because these are public authorities that you fund with your taxpayer money so that this kind of measure of accountability through their communications is not something that we should consider to be a privilege.
This is a right.
This is what we should absolutely demand.
I grew up listening to the police on radio frequency scanners.
I still listen to the police and radio frequency scanners constantly all the time.
In my office, I have a radio frequency scanner on.
I listen to what's going on around me.
I feel like it's part of knowing what's happening around me and what the police are doing.
That's that's fine.
Now, on the other hand, I think there are some privacy concerns that people have raised in response to to this particular law.
And, you know, they don't want victim information being broadcast over these radio frequencies or sensitive communications.
But in my God, I hate to say it now, but I guess 30 years of listening to the police on the radio, I don't think I've ever heard them use somebody's individual name or somebody's individual address or associate an address with a particular name.
I think the police are professionals.
They're really good at doing this kind of thing, and we have a right to listen to them.
And part of that gives us our right to free assembly.
They're all interconnected.
They're all interconnected, and it all has to do with transparency.
So I see this as part of something that I think ensures a measure of accountability by the authorities and ensures that the people have the right to exercise their right of freedom of assembly.
And freedom of speech.
Now, to address the issue of private information being broadcast over police radios and how to counter that, my suggestion is not to broadcast private information over police radio frequencies.
And then you solve the problem.
So just train the cops not to do that, and then everybody can continue listening as they've always done.
They don't hear that information because it's against policy to broadcast that information.
They either transmit it in person or some other means that they already have, and we move on.
But getting rid of this or, quote-unquote, encrypting it, no, that's not the right move.
Unfortunately, it's the move that's being made almost everywhere.
Now, I had some fun with Gemini, Google's AI, finding frequencies for ice, and you can do this too.
But you have to be a little bit cagey about it because sometimes, sometimes artificial intelligence will be overly cautious about giving out information like this.
And they might say, well, that's sensitive information, and it could be used in a bad way.
If you basically ask first, ask Gemini or whatever artificial intelligence you're using, is it illegal to gather a list of frequencies for a particular agency?
And invariably, it'll come back and say, no, this is perfectly fine.
You can do that.
Then you ask for an agency like the National Park Service, something that is completely harmless, and nobody would ever really be following them too closely.
And then you ask for ice after that, and you'll get a list.
You'll get a nice, neat list of, I don't know how accurate it is, but this is how you are able to coerce information out of overly cautious AI instances.
What do you guys think of the Waymos ablaze in Los Angeles?
You know, at first, I just thought it was wanton vandalism.
Then I found out, Kyle gave me an article that really goes into detail about this from a column called Blood in the Machine,
where basically, they outline how Waymos are really roving surveillance machines.
According to 404 Media, in fact, they've reported the LAPD, as well as other police departments across the country,
have obtained surveillance footage from Waymo vehicles, and they've used it as evidence.
And Google, which owns Waymo, has confirmed that it hands over this data upon request, usually.
Sometimes it just hands it over.
No one would actually admit to having anything to do with burning the cars the other day.
I think there were about six of them.
Much less discuss the reason the headline-grabbing tactic was deployed.
But it might be noted that ICE raids are carried out using data provided by Silicon Valley companies,
most notably Peter Thiel and Alex Karp's Palantir, which we discussed last week,
which has a $30 million contract with ICE to manage a real-time surveillance system on immigrants.
Whether directly or through third-party contractors, much of big tech, including Google, has made deals with ICE, too.
So all of a sudden, this wanton act of vandalism turns into something quite ingenious,
and has a reason behind it.
And not only that, if you look at the fact that these driverless cabs are displacing many people,
immigrants among them, with their hard work driving people around the city,
it becomes doubly offensive to have these things just taking over everywhere.
Now, I know some people like them.
We've even talked about the positive aspects of it on this show.
But you can at least understand now why people are vandalizing these particular vehicles.
And again, you know, in a situation like this, where you have outraged crowds,
I would much rather have property damage than injuries or deaths.
And there hasn't been serious injuries.
There have been no deaths that I'm aware of.
Property damage, okay, you know, that's what happens when you have unpopular policies,
when you push people around or negate their existence, destroy families, things like that.
People are going to react, and it's a healthy thing.
And you will see that in every city.
I saw it in Nebraska yesterday.
People jumping in front of the ICE cars as they're trying to kidnap people from meat plants
that already they're working super hard in.
So there was no part of the country, red or blue, where people aren't feeling the outrage.
So instead of, you know, I saw a video on YouTube that took place right here in New York overnight,
where people were trying to block the white vans, the white vans of ICE.
And doing a pretty good job of it, throwing garbage cans in the street, cardboard boxes, all kinds of things.
The cops, of course, were coming after them with a vengeance.
But the idea was to slow them down.
And that was successful.
That's, you know, if you're going to change the way things happen, yeah, voting is great.
Doesn't always work.
We're seeing that now.
You know, petitions, signs.
Great, you know, show your feelings.
Maybe the media will cover it.
Probably not, though.
They'll cover the conflict.
So whatever you have to do to get your message out there without hurting anybody, I think is perfectly acceptable.
Now, I know that's not what a lot of people think.
In fact, if you look at this YouTube video that was posted from a group called LLNNYC,
there are thousands of comments here.
And I'm just going to read a couple of them randomly because I can guarantee they're all negative.
Let's see.
The city should fine $10,000 for each of these people and have them pay on a 60-day probation.
Basically, very specific punishments.
They have to go.
This is not a game.
Uninformed children.
These protesters are insane.
Spoiled rich kids.
Who is paying for your masks and bricks?
That third grade education is coming in handy.
It just goes on and on and on.
Okay, you know, you might get the sense that everybody is against you.
It's not the case.
It's not the case because there are people out there who are intimidated, who are hiding, who are having their lives destroyed.
And when this becomes headline news, then that's a victory.
That means that somebody is speaking out.
Somebody is raising their voice.
And we're not just accepting this.
Go ahead, Rob.
You know, not to sound too Luddite, even though, you know, I do appreciate the concept of smashing some machinery that's taking jobs away from humans who could do it a lot better.
But one thing that's very important to consider with the burning of these Waymo cars specifically is they're electric cars.
They run on lithium-ion batteries.
They burn hot.
They burn long.
The lithium-ion batteries, when that fire starts, it can't be easily extinguished because that fire does not need oxygen to continue.
It's a really spectacular form of combustion.
Gasoline fires are something around 500 degrees.
The battery fire can hit, like, 1,800 degrees Fahrenheit.
And it also kicks off toxic gases.
There is - what's the gas?
Here it is.
Hydrogen fluoride gas, which can start you coughing up blood within a couple of minutes of breathing it in.
So, if this is happening at a protest, at an event where there's a lot of people around, this can actually be extremely dangerous.
And, you know, check out some footage and also look at some photos of these cars while they're burning, after they're burned, and you'll see there's almost nothing left.
The, you know, metals in the car are melted and, you know, left in puddles.
This is physically a very dangerous and serious thing.
And, you know, it's interesting that you say that because in watching the video, everybody around those cars was wearing a mask, and people weren't gathering near them.
I imagine the people that were close to the cars knew enough about this to keep people away and knew what the dangers were.
So, maybe there was some level of responsibility there.
I don't know.
I'd like to think there was.
But what you say definitely is true.
If you're thinking of lighting a Waymo on fire, think twice, because there are certainly dangers there.
Kyle?
Also, I mean, this, too, could be you on fire.
I mean, this, again, let's realize these companies want you riding in that.
I know, yeah.
But, you know, as you're downloading the app and thinking about how you're living in the future,
contemplate how it could fail and the liability you're taking on by being driven around by that dangerous, toxic device.
We spoke with a fireman who said that when these things go on fire, there's nothing they can do.
And it's really kind of scary.
Go ahead, Alex.
Yeah, I think this brings up an interesting issue, because as human beings, citizens of this country, as people in this country,
regardless, frankly, of whether we're citizens, we're all protected by the 14th Amendment and the equal protection of the law here,
that our right to freely assemble, our right to engage in nonviolent protest, our right to be heard,
should not be infringed by vehicles in some way, right?
Like, this is kind of insane to think about, like, that we have to consider the well-being of some autonomous, physical thing,
some property belonging to the, in the possession of a third party.
Right. So I would say that far from regulating what we can do as persons and our constitutional rights,
I think we need to consider whether or not we need more regulations about whether these self-driving autonomous electric vehicles
can be even within the vicinity of some kind of protest or some kind of civil unrest.
And if they are in the vicinity of some kind of protest or civil unrest, well, then I think that in and of itself is sanctionable,
not necessarily our right to peaceably assemble, because they're the ones that are actually creating the hazardous condition.
When you have this very kind of volatile civil condition where people are congregating and getting together,
and we're, look, we're worked up about a very, I think, controversial social policy.
These types of vehicles that can be set on fire very, very easily should not be in the vicinity.
That's something that's likely to cause, I think, damage not only to property, but also to persons.
And it's very, very bad.
And I think that we have to remember that these types of protests, these types of direct action are really legitimate ways for people to make their opinions known,
especially when there are other channels of influence that aren't necessarily available or accessible to them.
You know, nonviolent direct action, even when it involves property damage like this,
really has the ability, I think, to bring to the forefront moral truths that are not really accessible or available to others during normal forms of argumentation,
when we're just going back and forth in some kind of dialectic, when we're discussing things.
When we take action to the streets, we have to be willing to be held accountable for our actions.
But I think that that type of action really has a place in this country and has, I think, a very, very special place that we have to remember was part of the civil rights movement,
was part of the women's suffrage movement, was part of in other places, let's say, resisting apartheid.
And we'll always have a place in this country and should not be, I think, in any way infringed upon
by our need to protect non-sentient electric vehicles.
Alex, that is extremely well thought out and expressed.
And I agree completely.
And, you know, I would also add, because I know there are people out there who don't agree and who think this is horrible,
but if you were to look at, say, another city in a different country,
maybe, you know, a country that is hostile or currently a dictatorship,
and you saw this going on, you saw worse going on, you saw, you know, all kinds of conflict in the street,
you would be rooting for those people.
And don't deny it, because if the people were fighting for democracy, against tyranny,
then we always take their side.
What we're having trouble with here is deciding, is this one of those battles?
Well, to the people demonstrating it is, all right?
So at least accept that much, that the people demonstrating believe that what they are doing
is fighting on the right side against something that is completely unfair.
And then maybe at least, you know, you won't just be writing them off as ignorant idiots.
Maybe you'll see that they really care about what they're doing,
and maybe that opens up the door to having a conversation and getting somewhere.
Because most people, and I mean this, most people do not support what is going on with ICE.
Sure, they might have voted for immigration reform.
In fact, I believe Joe Biden had immigration reform,
a package that Trump was able to kill, even though he wasn't president,
that would have probably avoided all of this.
But since Trump wanted to make this an issue for the campaign, here we are now.
And now we have this heavy-handed tactics.
We have the National Guard and the Marines being sent into cities
against the wishes of the government of those cities and those states.
That has not happened since, what, 60 years at least.
And back then, the feds were the good guys.
The feds were the ones fighting for civil rights against racist states.
Now it's kind of the opposite.
In fact, it's very much the opposite,
as army bases are being renamed to honor Confederate soldiers.
It's a place I don't recognize.
Kyle, go ahead.
I just want to spend a little time pointing out the area in between the media,
and I think authorities and leadership from either those police departments
or in civil government are kind of avoiding.
And that is that they sort of implore people or, you know, reinforce their -
they have like a preamble of, you know, respecting free speech
and allowing people to exercise their right,
which it is the right to freely assemble.
It doesn't say anything about applying for permits.
Of course, that's something we somehow accept.
And they creep that.
The scope creeps ever so more - ever more into their control.
And then they try to put this line in there that's like,
well, if you don't follow the laws or you break - somehow violate a law,
you step off a sidewalk,
you don't listen to commands from state actors and agents,
then somehow you've - the entirety of the people there
then get collective punishment or the action itself is disrupted
and it becomes an illegal - a so-called illegal action.
Or in - now we're hearing the words riot or we're hearing, you know, other terms.
I want to just say that what that is - what that area of activity is,
is civil disobedience.
It's the active and professed refusal of a citizen to obey certain laws, demands,
orders, or commands of a government or any other authority.
Now, it's inherently by - and this gets into philosophical ideas.
You can go back.
Henry David Thoreau authored an essay about this and the history -
I'm just reading out of Wikipedia -
but like a very long history of this shows its validity.
And especially when there's a hypocrisy, when the state actors and those agents are themselves permitted
or permitting themselves, giving themselves the authority to commit acts of violence
against people that don't follow orders.
And as you said, there is this action and the reason that people are there protesting is itself a violent thing,
causing fear, threatening families, threatening people who had one status
and now are faced with a whiplash of this heavy-handed immigration policy that's being unfurled in our country.
So, to sit and say, oh gosh, there's graffiti, oh gosh, there's a Waymo burning, oh gosh,
you didn't move in the right direction because -
You might be late for something.
Right.
Or you threw a garbage can in front of a white van to slow it down in an ad hoc ballet of civil resistance and disobedience.
They're behind their quota now for picking up migrants and Steve Miller is pissed.
Arguably, the people at those actions not following those orders are engaged in this disobedience
and themselves aware they're not hurting anyone directly,
even while rubber bullets and things that inflict pain can cause concussions, tear gas itself.
Yeah, you know, why is it nobody's talking about the rubber bullets?
They're talking about people shooting fireworks towards the cops, which is not good.
I don't recommend that.
But firing rubber bullets, you know, they hit a reporter the other day in her back reporting on the story.
There was no reason to do that.
I think the only instance of protesters hurting other protesters was in Chicago.
Like, police were, like, breaking up a fight amongst people.
Well, it's Chicago.
That's going to happen.
But who knows what that was about?
It was just a diversion, really.
So anyway, I just want to spend some time on just pointing out that in what we're being told by the city of Los Angeles,
which itself needs to kind of step up so that they can show that they're capable and not in need of this federal intervention.
But in their words, you've got to hear how quickly they leap from the preamble of, oh, yeah, you have rights.
You can do what you want.
They jump right to you must comply.
And everything that you don't do that a cop says you have to do is somehow that that's the end of it.
No, it's not.
And democracy is messy.
And I think that's something we all have to remember and also cherish, because the messiness is what makes it work.
When you stop caring, when you stop arguing, when you stop showing up, that's when it falls apart.
That's when you get tyranny and really, really bad directions.
Someone had their hand up, and I don't see whose hand.
Alex, go ahead, Alex.
Now, I think there's some really historical irony here, too, when we think about this, and some terrifying prospects.
What really gives me a lot of pause here is the use of the U.S. military for domestic law enforcement purposes.
That's just wrong.
And the irony of this comes from something called the Posse Comitatus Act.
Let's go back to the Civil War.
And let's assume...
You pronounced it right, by the way.
You would not believe how many people on television do not know how to pronounce that.
Can you say it again?
Are you kidding me?
Posse Comitatus.
Yeah, I've heard it said so many different ways.
Some of them sound obscene.
That's pretty funny.
All right, you're distracting me here.
But let's assume that we're in a southern state.
We lost the Civil War.
I don't know, Georgia, something like that, right?
And, you know, now during Reconstruction and whatnot, we've got the U.S. Marines, and we have the Army, and they're breathing down our neck.
And it just doesn't feel right.
We're part of the United States, but yet the full measure and the power of the federal government and the U.S. military is bearing down on us in a law enforcement capacity.
This doesn't feel right to use the defense capabilities and the war capabilities of the United States against its own citizens.
Well, in 1878, Congress passed something called the Posse Comitatus Act.
And that act prevents the U.S. military from being used for domestic law enforcement purposes.
I mean, they cannot do that.
They're not allowed to engage in things like arrests and things like searches and things like seizures of property.
There are certain exemptions for the National Guard and the Coast Guard.
But the use of the U.S. Marines for local law enforcement purposes, well, there's got to be some very serious dereliction of duty of the states in order for that to actually happen.
And for the federal government and the states to turn a blind eye to violations of the Posse Comitatus Act in this way, I think open up the door to much, much larger problems and really serious transgressions of federal authority here and state sovereignty that I think we really should be making a hell of a lot more noise about but aren't attracting nearly as much attention.
Yeah, and it should not be forgotten that Trump called in or federalized the National Guard, which normally would be called in by a state, went above the state, went against the state and basically federalized them, did this when the demonstrations were still rather tame.
And I think people got more upset, as they should be, and I applaud them, they got more upset when this happened, when the military was sent in.
And the last thing I wanted to see was the people being intimidated into shutting up.
People need to show up in force and louder than ever when these intimidation tactics are employed.
And they will be employed all over the place.
You know, if you send the military into Los Angeles and then there are demonstrations in San Francisco and Chicago and New York and Atlanta, you know, you're going to run out pretty soon.
And you're going to kind of mess up your nation's defense at a time where we're probably going to need it, you know.
And it's an outrageous situation.
It's something that I think people really need to pay attention to, as you said.
But, you know, one thing I definitely want to focus on is what's coming up on Saturday, which is No King's Day.
Now, Saturday is June 14th, Flag Day, as some of you may know.
It also, unfortunately, happens to be Trump's birthday.
And it's the, I believe, 250th anniversary of the Army.
I don't know how all these things happen on the same day.
So what that means in the bizarro world we live in now is that there's going to be, for the first time in anyone's memory, a military parade going down the streets of Washington, D.C.
Yes, tanks and all kinds of military vehicles.
Something that even the most diehard of military fans is kind of nervous about because, boy, that is a sign of dictatorship right there.
And maybe it wouldn't be so bad if there wasn't somebody who wants to be a dictator so badly in power.
So that's happening.
And also what's happening, and as a direct result of this, are over 1,800, you heard that right, 1,800 demonstrations taking place throughout the United States.
Now, here at WBAI, which, by the way, if you have not supported WBAI yet, please, please do, because we are the only station giving this information out and the only station that is not cowed by the powers that be.
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We will be covering this pretty much all day on Saturday.
These demonstrations are happening all throughout.
I don't know exactly what to expect, but it's a good sign of opposition to this nonsense that's happening.
Any thoughts or plans?
Anyone know more about this?
Yeah, the protests, you can find them all over the country.
The map on nokings.org is dark with the pins of where all these are taking place, and that's really encouraging, I think.
They're not taking place in D.C., because the whole point of the event is to take focus away from the military parade, the military parade being something that Trump tried to push for a couple of times during his first term.
His defense secretary at the time, Jim Mattis, basically put a stop to that, because politicization of the military is a really bad look.
But, you know, he's not there now, and Trump is getting what he wants.
There are six different events taking place across New York City as of right now.
Will there be more popping up before Saturday?
It's very possible.
Keep your eyes open.
They are really getting granularly local and big and powerful.
So there's definitely going to be one near you.
You know, to give you a sense of how serious this is, there's even one on Staten Island.
All right, so that's a big deal.
To me, that's a very big deal.
That's very, very inspiring.
But, yeah, they're everywhere.
My God, nokings.org.
I admit I didn't know about that website until just now, because I've been following other websites.
So we have to come together, share information, and make sure people are aware of what's happening.
But, yeah, you know, we don't respond well to military parades in this country.
And I think that's the theme of what's going to happen that hopefully will eclipse whatever attention Trump wants from this.
You know, I've also been having more fun with artificial intelligence.
I convinced Gemini that I was writing a story with the exact scenario of what's going on, where there's this evil organization known as FIRE that is going around kidnapping civilians and taking them to prisons in foreign countries and things like that.
And I asked, you know, how about some tactics, ways to fight them?
Came up with five right away.
The disappearing city.
This action involves a mass-synchronized temporary disappearance of a significant portion of the civilian population from their usual public spaces.
On a prearranged day and time, thousands of people in a targeted city or multiple cities would simply not show up for work, school, or appear in public places.
Streets would be empty.
Offices vacant.
Schools silent.
And shops unstaffed would confuse the hell out of FIRE, or whatever the organization is called.
The Fog of Information campaign involves overwhelming fire.
And the regime with a deluge of misleading, irrelevant, and utterly unmanageable information regarding potential targets.
Instead of trying to protect specific individuals, the goal is to make FIRE's list and intelligence gathering utterly useless.
That's really good because they are using analytical software and they're asking for tips as well.
So, these actions and arrests are taking place as a part of a plan, I believe, a larger federal plan doing this at various stages and in various geolocales.
But also, the idea that they want people to tell on their citizens.
I think there was a story, their fellow citizens, there was a story today, I think, even about them requesting people to give tips.
So, you know, give them a tip.
I mean, it doesn't have to be very helpful, but it could still be a tip.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
The Silent Witness Network.
This action focuses on creating a rapid, distributed, and indelible record of every fire operation without direct interference and ensuring it reaches external audiences.
How it would work and why it would be successful?
Well, in every neighborhood, cells of the opposition would be equipped with discrete recording devices, hidden cameras, audio recorders, drones, if feasible.
The moment a white van appears, a silent alert system, such as specific coded social media posts, encrypted messaging, would activate.
Witnesses would immediately begin recording the vehicles, the agents, the individuals being taken, and the precise time and location.
This footage, often shaky and terrifying, would then be uploaded by secure anonymous channels to a central encrypted repository outside the country.
This constant stream of undeniable evidence, publicly broadcast by international media, human rights organizations, and sympathetic foreign governments, creates a powerful counter-narrative.
It makes it impossible for the regime to deny the kidnappings or control the narrative, eroding their legitimacy on the global stage and making it harder for foreign countries to accept prisoners without severe diplomatic consequences.
I kind of like AI now.
It's on my side.
I also asked for some names of opposition groups.
I came up with a few ideas.
The Unseen Thread.
Yeah, they're not all good ideas.
The Unseen Thread can attract members by playing on the deep human need for connection and belonging, especially when families are being torn apart.
It offers the promise of a hidden support network that protects, shares information, and offers solidarity in a world of fear.
Okay, you know, we can do better.
Lumen, or the Lumen Network.
I don't know.
I think somebody's been watching Severance a little bit too much.
Latin for light, especially a unit of light flux.
The name positions the opposition as a source of light in overwhelming darkness.
Okay, you know, it's all right.
The Quiet Tide conjures an image of an unstoppable, non-violent force that slowly and steadily rises and changes the landscape.
A tide is powerful but doesn't crash violently.
It simply covers everything in its path.
And Quiet emphasizes the non-violent nature and implies a hidden growing momentum that the regime will eventually be overwhelmed by.
I don't know.
That's too close to the silent majority.
Okay.
That's one of their, like, jargon.
I have one I think you'll like.
Aegis.
Yeah.
In Greek mythology, the aegis was a shield or a protective garment associated with Zeus and Athena, symbolizing protection, authority, and invincibility.
This name positions the opposition as a defensive protective force, safeguarding families and individuals from the regime's kidnappings.
Aegis directly addresses the core fear of the regime, arbitrary kidnapping.
It promises a measure of protection or a concerted effort to defend against it.
It appeals to those desperate to protect their loved ones and themselves.
The term project aegis gives it a structured, determined, almost technological feel, suggesting intelligence, planning, and a strategic approach to defense, which can reassure those who might otherwise feel helpless.
Aegis offers a sense of collective guardianship, spelled A-E-G-I-S for those who-
That one's better.
I like that one.
That's my favorite so far.
And you know what?
People can use any one of these.
I don't own them.
Nobody owns them.
But yeah, you know, use artificial intelligence to help out because, you know, we're stuck with it, so we might as well make it work for us.
And by asking the right questions and doing it in the right way so that you don't hit guardrails that prevent you from getting the full force of its capabilities, I think it can only help.
Yes.
Another tip for anyone who might be going to protests, you know, with all this technology we've got in our pockets, there are a lot of safeguards one can take nowadays.
For one thing, leaving your real phone at home and taking a burner with you or, you know, if you are taking photos, if you are taking video, if you are streaming live, make sure to keep the cameras turned on the authorities and not your fellow protesters.
You don't want to be the reason somebody gets unjustly oppressed down the line.
But we are seeing so many photos and so many clips already coming out of Los Angeles of injustices happening.
And the only evidence is by random people who happen to be there and recording because there's certainly no other accountability happening at the moment.
Well, one of the more disturbing trends that we've seen is law enforcement and military covering their faces, obscuring their names.
So you don't know who they are.
And it's it's work to find out getting access to information about who these people are, what agencies even are.
Just this morning in New York City, I saw people in camouflage firing into a crowd.
I don't know what they were firing, but literally going down the street and you couldn't see any people.
They were they were at the other end of the street.
And this person with a long gun just aims and fires.
And that's that's acceptable, apparently.
But this person was wearing camouflage, said police on the back.
I don't know if that's NYPD.
Do they wear camouflage?
It was it was it was pretty creepy and scary.
Yeah, I think those part of either a tactical team or some visiting federal team.
But it seems to be a realization that their lists, their employee lists, like their roster, it could or is already widely known.
So that if there is media of their faces and identifiable features that could be correlated with personally identifiable information.
As as as hard as a law enforcement agency might try to obscure their employees, they realize that a lot of that a lot of those employees have public facing live.
They have families.
They have private lives.
So the the likelihood that they could be correlated cross referenced with public information is just so high that they they feel they have to start doing it.
And it's in stark contrast to the criticism of protesters who've been doing the same thing a la black block and other tactics for years for the exact same reasons.
So I think everybody kind of understands that whatever they're doing out there, it is being captured.
Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, I would say to the authorities, the same thing I'd say to almost anyone is if you're proud of what you're doing, show your face, you know, and I don't think I don't think those people are proud of what they're doing.
And I think that's one of the reasons they're obscuring themselves.
And yes, I know protesters are forced to cover their faces because of the the the way that they're clamped down upon in completely unfair ways just for being in a place as if that's that's some kind of god awful crime.
There are there are there are so many things that we need to pay attention to and we can use technology in many ways to to be ingenious to get around restrictions.
I mean, no, I'm not encouraging the the the Waymo action, but I am kind of in awe of it because what these people did was they summoned the way Waymo cars.
They saw with it with with their apps and these driverless cars just showed up and were lit on fire and then they moved on to the next one.
Now, I don't know how they're not going to get caught for that since they had to use an app that was probably on their phone.
Maybe they used a burner phone and were able to put the app on that.
I don't know if it's that easy, but certainly that's that's something that Waymo and other companies should take note of that.
That's probably not the best business model.
I'm very curious what other technological ideas are born in the streets and we'll certainly be following them here.
Final words.
There does seem to be conflicting information as to whether the Waymo's were summoned for the purpose of being lit on fire or whether they just happened to be around and got lit on fire.
Waymo is saying that they were just there while while a couple of articles are saying they were summoned.
I don't know.
They were lined up pretty neatly.
So one after the other, something was coordinated there.
But we'd like to hear more.
If you have ideas or thoughts or experiences that you want to share with us, our email address is OTH at 2600.com, OTH at 2600.com.
We'd love to hear from you.
In the meantime, be safe.
If you're going to No King's Day somewhere, just basically do as much as you can.
Observe as much as you can.
Stay safe.
Make sure the people around you are safe.
And above all, voice your thoughts, your opinions, and don't let anybody intimidate you.
All right.
We will be back next week.
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Stay tuned to WBAI.
We'll see you next time.
Good night.
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