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One day, let it go
One day, let it go
And a very good evening to everybody
The program is Off the Hook
Mayor Goldstein here with you
Joined tonight by Kyle
Hello
Out in Signal Land
We have Alex
You do
Hello
Welcome
And as you can see
We have a skeleton crew tonight
We are not doing overtime
And in fact
We likely will not be on at all next week
Reason for that is
Very sad
Because our good friend Greg Newby
Who has been on this radio show so many times
And has been a part of our lives
A part of the Hope Conference
A part of the magazine
He is not in good shape
Those of you who are at the closing ceremonies of Hope 16
Know that he appeared on video from Whitehorse in the Yukon
And he was diagnosed in March
Late March with pancreatic cancer
And it has progressed relentlessly
And he has tried everything
And held out hope
And been one of the strongest people I think I can ever recall having known
And he entered hospice today
In Whitehorse
And by all accounts does not have much longer to go
So Kyle and I are going to head up there
Hopefully we can hang out with him one more time
And I don't think we can do radio
I just don't think we can do that next week
We'll see, we'll see
Alex, I know you've crossed paths with Greg many times
This, you know, it's just weird
Seeing this happen
Of course it happened with Kevin Mitnick
Several years ago
The exact same damn disease
That we seem to know so little about
It's so relentless
It's so unforgiving
And it's so unpredictable
Something, you know
Beginning of March
Greg was healthy as ever
You know, one of the healthiest people I think I know
Took care of himself
He was the guy that ran the multi-marathon
Over the course of days in Alaska
Kyle and I were his support team
It's an ultra-marathon
Ultra-marathon, yeah
I can't even get the word right
Let alone pull something like that off
This is somebody who walked miles every day
Had a vegan diet
Was just somebody who paid attention to his health
And, you know, sometimes
Sometimes fate has different ideas
And it's just really hard to wrap your head around
So, you know, we had a very emotional connection
At those closing ceremonies
Where everybody in the audience was waving at Greg
It was so moving
And so beautiful
I don't know how we move forward
Without his wisdom
His strength
His perseverance
I'll tell you, you know
We never would have found a new home without him
He is the one who found
St. John's University
As a venue for a conference like Hope
So
We have a lot to remember
A lot to be thankful for
But a lot to be angry about too
Because he had so much
So much ahead of him
So much
So
Yeah, that's
That's the story for next week
And of course
If you're out there
And you want to send a message to Greg
We will relay that to him
Just email us
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Go ahead, Alex
I want to echo
What you said, Emmanuel
About Greg
And being such an extraordinary guy
Such a special part
Of the Hope Conference
Involved in so many things
That I think really
Personified
The values of
The hacker subculture
That we've
We've come to love and know
So well
And I'm talking in particular
About Project Gutenberg
He's been involved in
For many, many years
You know
And it's
It's basically a volunteer
Digital library
And, you know
Not just lending out
Digital books
And things like that
I mean
They were fighting
Legal battles
Greg and I had many discussions
About copyright
And illegal battles
That they had fought
And that were ahead of them
So, I mean
This guy is
Not only
I think
Strong as an ox
But he's a fighter
As well
And I think he
Embodies that
Fighting spirit
That's within all of us
But I also want to
Correct something
You said
About Greg
As well
Emmanuel
Which is
That you don't know
How we're going to
Move on
Without him
We're not going to
Move on without him
He's always going to
Be with us
He's always going to
Be part of
The HOPE conference
He's going to be
Part of this community
He brought so much to it
And I think
Has imbued us
With so much wisdom
And so much spirit
Greg will always be
Part of this culture
I think
So I just want to
Correct you on that
Yeah, no, absolutely
Absolutely
Yeah, I remember
When
When we first
Met him
Online
We were asking
For volunteers
For the conference
To help out
With all the things
That it entails
And this new guy
Just wrote in
And his last name
Was Newby
And if you're part
Of the hacker community
You know that
A newbie is basically
The lowest rung
Of the ladder
And we thought
We thought it was a joke
We thought somebody
Was having fun with us
But of course
It was not a joke
It was serious
And we met
One of the
Most productive
Creative
Imaginative
Talented people
We are ever
Going to be graced
With knowing
So yeah
You know
I have no idea
How we're getting up there
I have no idea
Exactly what
What the plan is
But I just know
We have to do something
And hang out with him
If we
If we have that opportunity
We're going to take it
I don't even know
If airplanes are going
To be flying
Because of government
Shutdowns
I don't know
About borders
I don't know
About any of this
And I don't care
I don't care
We'll push through
We'll do what
We have to do
Okay
So that's
That's our mindset
Right now
As you can see
Probably
Not the best mindset
For radio
In the weeks ahead
However tonight
We're here
At WBAI
And we'll be taking
Phone calls tonight
No overtime
Just phone calls
Not yet
Not yet
We'll let you know
When the time is right
To dial in
Because we have
Some other things
To talk about as well
There's been
A bunch of news
You know
Not just the thing
We were talking about
Last week
Which boy
That sure
I think we might
Have been the first
Show to cover
The Jimmy Kimmel story
Because it just
Happened right before
We went on the air
And you know
We received
A bunch of pushback
From some listeners
I don't have it
In front of me
But I know
We got a bunch
Of letters
In fact
If we were gauging
Listener feedback
We would have to say
That the vast majority
Of people
Do not want us
Talking about
Freedom of speech issues
They call it politics
They call it
Just Trump bashing
And they think
We should not do that
And some of them
Think we should be
Prosecuted for doing that
I'm not kidding
Does that represent
The majority
Of WBAI listeners
Because it represents
The majority of people
Who write to us
So the rest of you
Hmm
Maybe this is something
To look at
Because
Sometimes people
Are very quiet
When we need them
To make noise
And I can't think
Of a time in history
Where your noise
Has not been more needed
You know
I hear plenty
From the other side
I hear plenty
Of becoming a victim
A victim of diversity
And equality
And freedom
And things like that
And I just hear
Not a whole lot
From other people
That really
Should be making
Their lives challenging
As challenging
As our lives
Have been made
By all the craziness
Going on
And that's
That's not really
A controversial statement
Or something
Worthy of arguing
We are living
In crazy times now
If you don't see that
You're intentionally
Not seeing that
There's just no other way
I can phrase it
So
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Send us your feedback
If we're doing things
You hate
Let us know that
And so far
That seems to be
The majority
But if we're doing
Things that you like
Or you want to add to it
In some way
Also write to us
And let us know that
You know
Your words matter
And that's a good way
To prove it
And boy
The days, weeks, months, years ahead
Are going to have
A lot of history
A lot of history
Attached to them
So okay
That story
We are not focusing on tonight
Because we focused on it last week
And it's
It's kind of run its course
It's
You know
The whole thing is not over
Obviously
But
That particular episode is
But we have something new
To talk about
Anybody catch this
Secret Service
Press release yesterday
Yeah
Basically
I'm going to read it
I'm going to read it
Word for word
Because I love reading
Press releases
The U.S. Secret Service
Dismantled a network
Of electronic devices
Located throughout
The New York tri-state area
That were used
To conduct
Multiple telecommunications
Related threats
Directed towards
Senior U.S. government officials
Which represented
An imminent threat
To the agency's
Protective operations
This protective intelligence
Investigation
Led to the discovery
Of more than 300
Co-located SIM servers
Yeah
SIM servers
That's a thing
And 100,000 SIM cards
Across multiple sites
Okay
You know
If you don't know
What that means
Welcome to the club
Because
You know
We haven't usually
Talked in those terms before
In addition to carrying out
Anonymous
Telephonic threats
These devices
Could be used
To conduct
A wide range
Of telecommunications
Attacks
This includes
Disabling
Cell phone towers
Enabling
Denial of services
Attacks
And facilitating
Anonymous
Encrypted communication
Between potential
Threat actors
And criminal enterprises
So
What I'm hearing
Here is that
These things
Could be used
To communicate
Between people
And they could be used
To disable
Cell towers
And establish
Denial service
Attacks
And things like that
They could be
No evidence
That they have been
But these things
Could be
I could probably
Walk into a
Circuit City
Or I'm sorry
Best Buy
I keep thinking
Circuit City
Is still open
And find enough
Equipment to do that
But
Well this is a good point
Because the way
That it was
The way that something
Could be used
And that's
I think the crux
Of it
How is it being used
In this particular
Case
Is part of
What you would
Conclude
From an investigation
All the basic uses
Because how you
Might use it
One way
Would
Probably necessitate
The equipment
To do a variety
Of things
So
If you're using it
For testing
Or for something else
That you could
Access the network
En masse
In another way
That is
Maybe more heinous
Or scary
For the headlines
Doesn't necessarily
Mean that's
The conclusion
Of an investigation
So you raise
A good point
Well you know
I'm just really
Really doubtful
Anytime I see
Any kind of
Government
Release these days
Because it's
Almost always
Filled with
Bravado and lies
So I have to
Assume that
There's a fair
Amount of
Both in this
Anyway
While forensic
Examination of
These devices
Is ongoing
Early analysis
Indicates cellular
Communications
Between nation
State threat
Actors
And individuals
That are known
To federal
Law enforcement
You really have
To read between
The lines here
Okay so they
Know some of
The people
Involved here
And they know
That they're
Talking to
People in
Other countries
Again
I'm looking
For something
Really exciting
Here and
Hasn't exactly
Been expressed
Yet
U.S.
Secret Service
Director
Sean Curran
Said the
Potential for
Disruption
To our
Countries
Telecommunications
Posted by
This network
Of devices
Cannot be
Overstated
The U.S.
Secret Service's
Protective mission
Is all about
Prevention
And this
Investigation
Makes it clear
To potential
Bad actors
That imminent
Threats to our
Protectees will
Be immediately
Investigated
Tracked down
And dismantled
Okay well
The bad actors
Might get a
Clear message
I'm not getting
The clear message
You found
Rooms filled
With sim
Servers and
Sims
I'd like to
Know more
How did you
Find them
I mean
What led you
To this
What makes
You think
They're about
To be used
What's going
On guys
Tell us
Let's continue
These devices
Were concentrated
Within 35
Miles of the
Global meeting
Of the United
Nations General
Assembly
Now underway
In New York
City
Okay there
Were also
35 you know
Within 35
Miles of every
Decent pizza
Place you know
I don't know
What does that
Prove
Okay yeah
They were within
A certain distance
Between things
That were happening
Well given the
Timing location
And potential
For significant
Disruption
To New York
Telecommunications
Post by these
Devices
The agency
Moved quickly
To disrupt
This network
Okay again
Timing
You were
Dictating the
Timing
You're the
One who
Rated them
So that's
The timing
What were
They
What's their
Timing
Were they
Was there
A ticking
Clock or
Something
Was somebody
Saying they
Were going
To do
Something at
A certain
Time on
A certain
Day
The
U.S.
Secret
Services
Advanced
Threat
Okay I'm
Embarrassed
Now I don't
Know how to
Pronounce
Inter
Interdiction
Interdiction
Interdiction
Interdiction
Okay I've
Never said
That word
Before
It's a weird
Word I'm
Sorry a
New section
Of the
Agency
Dedicated
To disrupting
The most
Significant and
Imminent threats
To our
Protectees is
Conducting this
Investigation
This investigation
Is currently
Ongoing
Okay first
Of all whoever
Wrote this
Don't say this
Investigation twice
In a row
That just
Sounds really
Bad
The
Department of
Homeland
Security's
Home
They got a
Problem here
The Department
Of Homeland
Security's
Homeland
Security
Investigations
That's
Their
Name
Oh lord
The Department
Of Justice
The Office
Of the Director
Of National
Intelligence
And the
NYPD
Oh wait
There's more
In the sentence
I'm sorry
That was a comma
As well as
Other state
And local
Law enforcement
Partners
Oh I'm sorry
Another comma
Okay
Provided
Valuable
Technical
Advice
And assistance
In support
Of this
Investigation
You know
I think
We could
Have provided
Better advice
Because
I'm as
Puzzled
Starting
That
As
I
As
I
As
Puzzled
Ending
That
As I
Was
When I
Started
Well the
Secret
Service
Has
Specific
Goals
So they're
Not
Going to
Be as
Interested
In answering
Some of
The
Questions
That
You're
Talking
About
And then
Of course
The
People
That
They
Partnered
With
To
Help
Reach
Certain
Conclusions
Aren't
Going to
Want to
Talk about
Their
Methods
And
Source
Maybe
They're
Not
The
Who
How
And
Why
Maybe
They're
Not
The
Right
People
To
Write
The
Press
Releases
Then
Because
I
Have
Questions
All
The
Media
Has
Questions
And
Questions
Are
Good
And
People
Need
To
Know
And
It's
It's
Also
Strategic
Because
If
They
Do
Know
Some
Of
The
Answers
To
Some
Of
These
Things
That
May
Not
Be
As
Useful
For
Future
Investigations
Or
Or
For
Additional
Parts
Of
This
Well
This
Has
Never
Happened
Before
At
As
Far
As
I
Know
But
You
Know
One
Thing
I
Did
Get
Out
Of
This
Press
Release
Is
That
Okay
All
These
Horrible
Things
Can
Happen
To
The
Cell
Networks
Well
You
Know
What
If
We
Were
Using
Landlines
This
Wouldn't
Be
An
Issue
So
Maybe
That's
The
Solution
Maybe
That's
The
Lesson
Here
We
Keep
Saying
This
Week
Did
Happen
Or
Was
Imminent
At
Least
Not
That
They
Revealed
But
Weren't
There
Like
Clandestine
Like
Switching
And
Call
Centers
And
Stuff
In
The
Days
Of
Wired
Phone
Systems
I
Mean
People
Did
Similar
Types
Of
Things
Well
It
Wasn't
Quite
Like
This
No
Not
As
Capable
Because
People
Weren't
Walking
Around
The
Streets
At
Demonstrations
And
Things
Like
That
Having
Their
Location
Or
Their
Communications
Intercepted
True
So
This
Is
You
Know
I'm
Curious
What
This
Is
I'm
Not
Saying
It's
Nothing
I'm
Just
Saying
We're
Not
Really
Being
Told
What's
Going
On
I
Was
Really
Interested
In
The
Pictures
Just
The
Way
They're
Arranged
Assuming
Everything
Was
Still
Connected
The
Way
They
Were
Found
Very
Nice
And
Neat
Yeah
And
You
Can
Kind
Of
See
And
Think
About
The
Pathways
Of
Connection
And
It
Looks
Like
All
Of
The
Different
Devices
That
Hold
The
Sims
Are
Connected
Through
A
Smaller
Switch
And
That's
Connected
To
Something
That
Looks
Maybe
Like
Part
Of
A
Mesh
Wireless
Like
A
Backend
Network
But
It's
I
Guess
Stuff
That
A
More
In-depth
Story
About
This
There
Is
There
Is
In-depth
Story
That
I
Just
Picked
Up
Here
From
Bloomberg
I
Believe
The
U.S.
Secret
Service
Investigation
Into
A
Suspicious
Network
Of
Communication
Devices
In
The
New
York
City
Area
Came
After
Threatening
Phone
Calls
Were
Made
To
Two
White
House
Aides
And
A
Top
Law
Enforcement
Official
That's
According
To
People
Familiar
With
The
Matter
Would
Have
Nice
To
Have
That
In
The
Press
Release
The
Calls
Which
Originated
With
A
Network
Of
Phone
Technology
Through
The
New
York
Area
Spurred
The
Secret
Service
To
Mount
The
Investigation
That
Uncovered
The
Clandestine
Telecom
Ring
That
Was
Revealed
On
Tuesday
Boy
What a
Sentence
That
Is
The
Nature
Of
The
Targets
And
Their
Proximity
To
President
Donald
Trump
Convinced
Investigators
They
Were
Facing
A
Coordinated
Campaign
Rather
Than
Ordinary
Harassment
A
Secret
Service
Intelligence
Team
Known
As
The
Advanced
Threat
Interdiction
Unit
Found
A
Network
Of
300
Servers
100,000
SIM
Cards
Scattered
Across
The
New
York
Area
Concealed
In
Unmarked
Buildings
And
Apartments
So
Called
SIM
Farms
Allow
Bulk
Messaging
That
Can
Be
Used
By
Cyber
Criminals
For
Fraud
Swatting
And
Other
Illicit
Activity
The
Equipment
Was
Concentrated
In
Affluent
Suburbs
Including
Greenwich
Borough
Of
Queens
And
Northern
New
Jersey
Forming
What
Officials
Said
Was
A
Circle
Around
The
Metropolitan
Region's
Cellular
Infrastructure
Or
The
United
Nations
If
You
Feel
Like
Saying
That
Investigators
Said
The
System
Had
Been
Used
Both
By
Foreign
Governments
And
By
Criminal
Groups
Inside
The
U.S.
What
They
Banded
Together
Okay
And
Was
Capable
Of
Sending
Out
Mass
Spam
Messages
Placing
Anonymous
Calls
And
Overwhelming
Emergency
Lines
The
Discovery
Came
As
More
Than
150
World
Leaders
Were
Arriving
In
Manhattan
For
The
United
Nations
General
Assembly
When
New
York
Becomes
One
Of
The
Most
Heavily
Secured
Places
In
The
World
Matt
McCool
This
Guy's
Name
Is
Actually
McCool
He
Is
That
Cool
He
Was
On
TV
And
Everything
The
Special
Agent
Who
Was
In
Charge
Of
The
Secret
Service
New
York
Field
Office
Said
People
Close
To
Trump
Began
Receiving
Threats
Immediately
After
His
Electoral
Victory
In
November
Howard
Lutnick
The
Then
Cantor
Fitzgerald
Chief
Who
Now
Serves
As
Commerce
Secretary
Received
An
Email
Warning
Of
A
Bomb
At
His
Upper
East
Side
Home
Brooke
Rollins
Our
Old
Friend
Lee
Zeldin
And
Pete
Hegseff
Who
Were
Also
Chosen
By
Trump
For
Cabinet
Positions
Reported
Threats
As
Well
Some
In
The
Whether
The
Sim
Farms
Could
Have
Produced
The
Disruption
Suggested
By
Officials
The
Number
Of
Servers
And
Sim
Cards
Seized
Wouldn't
Likely
Disabilize
Networks
Built
To
Handle
Millions
Of
Users
In
The
New
York
Area
Said
Alexander
Herbelis
Chief
Information
Security
Officer
Of
Ethereum
Name
Service
It's
Common
To
Confuse
Proximity
With
Intent
And
Find
Conspiracies
In
Coincidence
He
Said
Finding
A
Sim
Farm
Of
Focusing
On
High
Volume
Fraud
Through
SMS
Phishing
Rather
Than
On
An
Operation
Interested
In
Disrupting
The
UN
General
Assembly
Wait
A
Minute
This
This
Was
You
Alex
My
Goodness
You
Slipped
Into
The
Story
I
Was
Reading
That
Was
I
Nice
Hack
There
Okay
Well
There
We
Go
Do
Go
On
Then
Tell
Us
Give
Us
Some
More
Of
Your
Insight
Well
Yeah
I
Think
That
This
Well
First
Off
I
Didn't
Realize
That
Special
Agent
McCool
Had
Used
The
Same
Word
That
I
Had
Used
In
My
Quote
Namely
Proximity
So
When
I
Said
It's
Common
To
Confuse
Proximity
With
Intent
It's
Basically
Like
Saying
Special
Agent
McCool
You're
Totally
Wrong
And
Even
Though
I
Do
Believe
That
I
Didn't
Mean
To
Be
Such
A
Jerk
About
It
Doesn't
Make
Him
Uncool
You
Know
He's
Still
Cool
He's
Still
Cool
He
Could
Still
Be
Wrong
That's
Right
And
I
Think
He'd
Be
Even
Cooler
If
He
Acknowledged
That
He
Was
Wrong
Right
Because
That's
A
You
Know
That's
I
Think
That's
Fundamental
To
Being
Cool
I'm
Sure
By
The
End
Of
The
Hour
We'll
Get
A
Statement
Yeah
We
Very
Well
May
But
From
The
Outset
I
Thought
This
Was
Such
A
Totally
Bogus
Story
Because
Just
Like
You
Said
It's
Very
Difficult
To
Unpack
What
The
Hell
Is
Going
On
With
These
Particular
Details
So
A
Bloomberg
Reporter
Contacted
Me
Yesterday
And
I
Gave
Him
That
Quote
About
This
I
Said
I
Don't
See
How
Or
Why
This
Type
Of
Sim
Farm
Would
Be
Used
To
Disrupt
The
Communications
Network
When
There's
Quite
Literally
Like
10
Million
Other
Phones
In
The
Area
That
Are
Active
At
Any
Particular
Time
Maybe
You
Could
Try
To
Swarm
And
Overwhelm
One
Particular
Cell
Tower
But
The
Types
Of
Resiliency
And
The
Capacity
That's
Built
Into
The
New
York
Telecommunications
Infrastructure
Probably
Is
More
Stronger
Than
Any
Individual
Sim
Farm
Or
Sim
Farms
Around
Armunk
And
Greenwich
Connecticut
Could
Actually
Facilitate
So
My
Thought
On
This
Was
That
This
Is
Probably
Something
That's
Used
For
Massive
SMS
Phishing
Fraud
Right
So
Or
Smishing
You
Know
Those
Types
Of
Messages
You
Get
That
Tell
You
Like
For
Instance
That
You
Have
Some
Kind
Of
Overdue
Toll
Bill
And
Try
To
Impersonate
You
Know
The
Vermont
DMV
Or
The
New
York
State
DMV
Or
The
Connecticut
DMV
And
They
Try
To
Use
Local
Numbers
With
Local
Exchanges
In
Your
Particular
Area
To
Convince
You
That
This
Is
More
Real
Right
And
That
You're
Actually
Dealing
With
Your
Local
DMV
Or
It
Could
Be
Used
To
Impersonate
Organizations
Like
Coinbase
And
Say
Something
Like
Your
Withdrawal
Code
Is
123456
If
You
Haven't
Asked
For
This
Call
This
800
Number
And
You
Begin
To
Get
Scammed
By
Some
More
Sophisticated
Scammer
Who's
Going
After
Your
Digital
Asset
So
I
Think
This
Is
Just
Run
Of
The
Mill
Fraud
I
Think
That
They
Triangulated
If
That's
Even
The
Right
Way
That
They
Came
Across
This
Because
It
Seems
Like
Somebody
Sent
A
Threatening
Message
To
Some
Trump
Aid
Or
Some
They
What
They
Mentioned
They
Are
Protecting
Their
Protectees
They
Have
Their
Charges
Are
Certain
Government
Officials
And
Cabinet
Level
Members
That
Secret
Service
Has
To
Protect
So
They
Investigated
These
Threats
Triangulated
On
These
Locations
And
Found
Server
Farms
Sim
Farms
I'm
Sorry
And
They're
Not
Really
Familiar
With
This
Technology
So
I
Think
That
They
Got
It
All
Wrong
That's
That's
My
Guess
Here
I
I
Wonder
If
I'll
Be
Proven
Wrong
This
Week
When
Some
Massive
Telecommunications
Attack
On
The
New York
Telecommunications
Infrastructure
Happens
But
I
Would
Doubt
It
I
Think
We're
Right
And
I
Think
History
Has
Proven
That
We're
Usually
Right
Well
That's
A
Pretty
Heavy
Statement
There
But
We'll
Go
With
It
And
See
You
Know
I
Kind
Of
Would
Like
To
Have
Seen
What
Would
Have
Happened
Had
This
Thing
Been
Unleashed
I'm
Very
Curious
But
You
Know
And
One
Other
Point
I
Want
To
Make
Here
Too
Is
The
Crazy
Thing
Is
You
Have
The
Sim
Farm
Right
And
They
Mentioned
All
These
Different
Locations
And
300
Servers
Right
But
They
Don't
Talk
About
Any
Kind
Of
Forensic
Analysis
Of
These
Particular
Servers
You're
Not
Going
To
Know
Really
What
These
Things
Are
For
And
What
They've
Been
Used
To
Do
Without
A
Forensic
Analysis
Of
These
300
Servers
Secret
Service
I've
Worked
With
Them
Numerous
Times
In
The
Past
On
Forensic
Analyses
And
They're
Very
Good
They
Have
A lot
Of
Experts
There
But
This
Stuff
Takes
Time
I
Think
They
Got
Ahead
Of
Themselves
With
A
Press
Release
And
A
Forensic
Analysis
Of
These
Machines
Will
Very
Likely
Reveal
That
They
Were
Used
In
Ordinary
Sim
Fraud
And
Not
As
Part
Of
Some
Coordinated
Attack
On
The
Telecommunications
Infrastructure
To
Target
The
UN
General
Assembly
I
Think
You're
Right
I
Think
They
Were
Trying
To
Get
Credit
Ahead
Of
The
UN
General
Assembly
Had
They
Waited
We
Have
A
Decent
Line
Go
Ahead
And
Hit
A
Button
Yeah
That
Sounds
Good
Okay
So
The
Line
Quality
Is
Good
We
Are
Going
To
Open
Up
The
Phone
Lines
And
We're
Going
To
Give
Out
The
Phone
Number
And
The
Phone
Will
Not
Work
Until
I
Finish
Giving
Out
The
Phone
Number
So
If
You
Know
The
Phone
Number
Already
In
Our
Dialing
It
For
People
Listening
On
WBAI
And
Just
Tell
Us
Anything
That's
On
Your
Mind
Concerning
The
Stories
We've
Talked
About
Or
Maybe
Something
Else
Going
On
In
The
World
Of
Technology
Or
News
Or
What
Not
And
We
Can
Continue
Talking
About
This
Until
Phone
Calls
Start
Pouring
In
So
Did
You
Have
Anything
Else
Alex
Or
Kyle
I
Was
Just
Wondering
Like
It's
Not
Necessarily
That
Anyone
Block
Can
Handle
10
Million
Calls
So
I'm
Curious
If
We're
Actually
As
Sure
As
Alex
Is
Saying
But
I
Don't
Know
Either
Necessarily
I
Mean
Yeah
Maybe
It
Wouldn't
Shut
Down
The
City
But
An
Area
Close
To
The
UN
Where
A lot
Of
People
Are
Trying
To
Use
The
Network
It
Could
Make
Spots
Where
There
Isn't
Service
Anyway
I'll
Pick
This
Up
Yeah
We
Have
Our
First
Phone
Call
And
I
Should
Tell
People
It
Might
Be
Hard
For
You
To
Hear
Alex
Please
Speak
Up
If
You
Are
Talking
To
The
Caller
Otherwise
The
Caller
You
Might
Just
Have
To
Talk
To
Kyle
And
Myself
Let
Me
Say
Good
Evening
You
Are
On
Off
The
Hook
Go
Ahead
Okay
I
Think
It's
Kind
Of
Cynical
To
Talk
About
That
Thing
About
The
Cell
Phone
Hacking
And
So
On
Without
Talking
About
What
Happened
With
Netanyahu
Military
Hunter
Using
Pages
Right
Blowing
It
Up
Never
Is
That
Mentioned
Now
Right
And
And
Not
Only
That
Also
What
Happened
To
Our
Data
In
Health
Health
From
Health
Care
From
From
All
Our
Government
Agencies
That
Were
Stolen
Basically
They
Packed
Nothing
Is
Mentioned
Well
We
Only
Have
An
Hour
But
The
Thing
Is
It
Has
To
Be
Put
In
Perspective
We
Cannot
Just
Pick
Out
One
Single
Item
And
Dance
Around
That
We
Have
To
See
The
Whole
Picture
And
The
Whole
Picture
Is
Much
Bigger
Much
More
Behind
It
And
That's
What
I
Want
To
Say
Okay
All
Thanks
Thanks
For
Your
There
You
Know
All
This
Use
Of
Technology
In
Ways
It
Was
Not
Intended
To
Be
Used
There
Has
Been
A lot
Of
Bad
Things
Successively
Going
On
So
It's
Not
Just
Me
Okay
Yeah
All
Right
Yeah
That's
A fair
Assessment
I
I
Think
He's
On
To
It
Yeah
I
Mean
That
That's
Definitely
A
Factor
802
3214
225
We
Are
Taking
Phone
Calls
Here
On
Off
The
Hook
Up
Until
We
Go
Off
The
Tonight
And
We'll
See
What
Happens
In
The
Future
Good
Evening
You're
On
Off
The
Hook
Go
Ahead
Hi
Emmanuel
Okay
Okay
Reville
Let me
Just
Say
You
You
Call
Every
Week
On
Overtime
So
Let's
Make
This
Extra
Quick
So
That
Other
People
Listen
To
The
Radio
Show
Get
A
Chance
To
Call
You
Have
One
Minute
I
Hope
You
Were
Listening
To
Me
When
I
Said
That
Because
I'm
Not
Saying
It
Again
Sounds
Like
I'm
On
A long
Distance
Call
Anyway
I
Was
Wondering
How
Did
Things
Like
Network
Like
You
I
2600.com
You
Have
Your
Own
Server
You
Don't
Use
Cloud
Computing
What
Is
That
I
Say
I
Avoid
The
Cloud
Like
The
Plague
It's
Like
A
Plague
Cloud
So
You
Have
So
Come
In
To
Just
Not
Like
When
You
Go
To
2600.com
It
Goes
Right
To
Your
Site
At
Your
Location
The
Files
And
The
Pictures
Oh
I
See
I
See
What
You
What
Rebel
Is
Doing
Here
Is
Demonstrating
Social
Engineering
Trying
To
Get
Me
To
Give
Out
Information
About
Our
Site
So
That
He
Is
Armed
With
More
Data
That
He
Can
Use
Well
I'm
Not
Falling
For
That
Trick
Because
I
Wasn't
Born
Yesterday
So
Rebel
I'll
Just
Say
Yeah
We
Have
A
Unique
System
How
It
Works
What
I
Don't
Think
He
He
He
He
He
He
He
He
You
Have
Ten
More
Second
Okay
So
Basically
You
Could
Have
A
PC
Like
You
Guys
Have
A
PC
You
Know
That
Does
It
And
So
How
Does
Like
A
Big
Like
You
Still
Have
Like
A
Mainframe
Too
Yeah
We
Have
A
Mainframe
And
An
IBM
XT
That
We
We
Can't
Possibly
Get
Into
That
I'm
Sorry
We
Can't
We
Can't
Possibly
Give
You
The
Specifics
But
You
Can
Set
Up
Your
Own
System
On
Any
Kind
Of
Box
That
You
Decide
To
Get
Run
Linux
You
Know
Run
All
Sorts
Of
Different
Things
Set
Up
Mail
Servers
Set
Up
Web
Web
Pages
But
It
Takes
Study
It
Takes
Time
It
Takes
Commitment
And
Collaboration
Do
Not
Do
The
Try
To
Do
I
Mean
Try
To
Do
Everything
Yourself
Definitely
Get
Help
Find
Find
Ways
That
You
Can
Offload
The
Learning
Curve
Because
It
Does
Take
Some
Reading
And
Some
Understanding
Of
It
Absolutely
And
There's
Lots
Of
Ways
To
Go
About
It
If
You
Would
Like
To
Tell
Us
Your
Favorite
Mainframe
Operating
System
Or
Your
Favorite
Mainframe
To
Hack
Please
Write
Us
At
OTH
At
2600.com
Yeah
But
You
Know
Let's
Move
Away
From
Mainframes
Because
It's
Kind
Of
Passé
People
Can
Do
This
Kind
Of
Thing
Through
Laptops
Now
It's
Not
Hard
I
Mean
It
Is
Hard
It's
It's
It's
Not
Easy
But
It's
Also
Not
Impossible
You
Know
That's
Kind
Of
That
The
Hacker
Way
That
We
Take
On
Things
That
Are
Challenging
And
A lot
Of
People
Think
Are
Impossible
But
We
Do
It
Anyway
And
If
You're
Having
Trouble
Go
To
A
Meeting
Talk
To
Some
People
Ask
Around
Yeah
You'll
Get
People
Who
Might
Make
Fun
Of
You
For
Asking
Questions
They're
Not
The
Right
People
To
Talk
To
Obviously
But
There
Are
Lots
And
Lots
Of
Other
People
Who
Are
Happy
To
Teach
And
Give
You
All
Kinds
Of
Information
But
I
Think
The
Important
Thing
Here
Is
Just
Not
Do
It
Like
Everybody
Else
Not
Simply
Use
The
Cloud
For
Everything
And
Trust
Them
My
God
You
Can't
Trust
The
Tech
Companies
You
Know
Google
Today
Or
Was
It
Yesterday
Announced
They
Were
Letting
Everybody
Back
Onto
YouTube
Who
Was
Basically
Spreading
All
Kinds
Of
Dangerous
COVID
Misinformation
Back
In
2020
And
Election
Denial
And
All
That
Kind
Of
Thing
It's
Okay
Now
Because
They
Want
To
Get
Closer
To
Trump
They
Literally
Said
That
They
Want
To
Get
Closer
To
Trump
So
Don't
Trust
Them
You
Cannot
Trust
These
Companies
You
Can
Only
Trust
Yourself
So
Learn
As
Much
As
You
Can
All
We
Have
Another
Phone
Call
Good
Evening
You're
On
Off
The
Hook
Go
Ahead
Speak
Up
Go
Ahead
You're
On
Hello
Yes
Hello
Yes
You're
On
The
Air
Go
Ahead
Oh
I'm
Sorry
I
Just
Wanted
To
Say
I
Used
To
Work
At
Cable
Vision
Oh
Wow
Back
In
The
Day
Uh
Huh
When
Napster
And
People
Downloading
The
Music
And
All
That
Stuff
Yeah
Charles
Dolan
He
Used
To
Be
Really
Nice
Into
His
Son
Well
Anyway
I
Won't
Even
Go
There
That's
Fascinating
We
Had
To
I
Was
A
Customer
Service
Rep
Right
And
They
Laid
Off
All
The
American
Engineers
And
They
Trained
Us
About
The
Motherboard
And
How
To
Ping
A
Modem
And
How
To
Check
The
Nodes
And
I
Don't
Know
What
DHCP
Serve
Or
Whatever
Anyway
Whenever
I
Got
That
Call
They
Said
Transfer
The
Call
To
Me
Because
He's
Networking
But
Make
A
Long
Story
Short
I
Think
They're
Trying
To
Make
America
Poor
Again
Because
I'm
Looking
For
Work
And
Every
Time
I
Call
About
My
Mortgage
Or
Make
A
Payment
For
Chase
I'm
Getting
The
Philippines
Or
I'm
Getting
Somebody
In
India
But
We
Need
To
Work
Here
I'm
Out
I'm
Out
Of
A
Job
And
You
Know
I
Know
How
To
Do
These
Things
When
When
IP
Config
I
Don't
Even
Think
They
Do
That
Anymore
But
What
I'm
Saying
Is
We
Need
To
Have
People
Working
Here
Absolutely
Have a
Great
Day
Thank
You
Thank
You
For
That
Call
And
That
She
Raises
A
Great
Point
Because
Outsourcing
And
Paying
People
Next
To
Nothing
That's
What
These
Companies
Will
Always
Do
It's
The
Easy
Way
For
Them
It's
The
Cheap
Way
For
Them
They
Do
Not
Care
About
The
People
Over
There
And
They
Certainly
Don't
Care
About
The
People
Over
Here
Just
Let's
Not
Treat
Those
People
Over
There
As
If
They're
The
Enemy
Because
They're
Not
Going
Through
The
Same
Struggles
The
True
Enemy
Are
Those
Who
Are
Making
Money
Off
Of
Them
And
Us
And
Reaping
The
Benefits
And
Not
Sharing
The
Rewards
At
All
It's
It's
Really
Sad
Go
Ahead
And
I
Think
This
Is
About
To
Get
Worse
As
Well
As
The
Caller
Indicated
Everybody
Is
Looking
For
Work
For
The
People
To
Whom
These
Jobs
Have
Been
Outsourced
Overseas
In
The
Philippines
And
India
And
Ireland
Etc
They're
About
To
Lose
Their
Jobs
Too
Because
As
As
You'll
See
And
Probably
Have
Experienced
Many
Companies
Don't
Even
Like
To
Push
You
Through
To
Some
Call
Center
Now
They
Want
You
To
Go
And
Use
Their
Website
And
They
A
U.S.
Person
Because
We're
Now
Using
AI
Powered
Chatbots
To
Handle
All
These
Types
Of
Requests
So
You're
Not
Even
Going
To
Be
Interacting
With
A
Chatbot
In
Many
Cases
You
Probably
Already
Have
Been
Interacting
With
Chatbots
And
Just
Thought
That
They
Were
Humans
I
Think
There's
Really
Room
For
Policy
I
Know
That's
Like
An
Ugly
Way
To
Go
With
Solutions
But
There
Really
Should
Be
Kind
Of
A
Standard
Way
And
I
Think
That's
A
Fair
Point
That
Automation
Is
Now
The
Sort
Of
Shiny
Thing
That
Everybody
Wants
To
Deploy
To
Add
Efficiencies
And
Ultimately
Find
New
Sources
Of
Revenue
I
Don't
In
Getting
Rid
Of
These
Jobs
I
Think
People
Should
Have
Those
Jobs
Maybe
These
Automated
Things
Should
Offload
Some
Of
The
More
Mundane
Or
Things
That
Can
Be
Handled
With
Automation
But
There
Should
Always
Be
A
Way
To
Contact
Someone
And
As
The
Caller
Said
Having
Someone
That's
Local
Someone
That's
Friendly
That
Might
Understand
What's
Going
On
Exactly
And
Understand
The
Context
Of
The
Thing
Is
Always
Crucial
I
Think
To
Really
Finding
A
Quick
Resolution
To
Vexing
Issues
Technical
Issues
Or
Otherwise
Well
It's
It's
Gotten
Worse
And
Worse
It's
It's
A
To
Solve
Problems
Online
With
Big
Companies
You
You
Cannot
Reach
A
Human
A
Friend
Of
Ours
Got
Hacked
On
Xbox
You
Know
We
Don't
Play
Xbox
Here
But
A
Lot
Of
People
Do
And
Somebody
Got
Into
Their
Account
And
Wiped
It
Out
And
Took
All
The
Games
That
They
Had
Accumulated
Over
Years
And
They
Can't
Even
Reach
A
Human
Being
At
Microsoft
Microsoft
Apparently
Owns
Xbox
Didn't
Know
That
And
I
Mean
This
Is
What
People
Have
To
Deal
With
Has
This
Ever
Happened
To
Anybody
We
Know
Other
Than
This
Poor
Person
Has
To
Deal
With
This
It's
It's
It's
Crazy
How
Do
You
Get
Through
To
A
Human
Being
How
Do
You
Do
That
How
Do
You
Get
Somebody
On
The
Phone
Who
Will
Say
Yeah
I
Can
Take
Care
Of
That
Something
That
You
Have
Paid
For
Something
That
You
Have
Proof
That
Belongs
To
You
And
You
Can't
Even
Get
A
Human
Being
All
You
Get
Are
These
Bots
That
Will
Pass
Judgment
And
Say
Wait
20
Days
30
Days
Whatever
And
We'll
Make
A
Decision
Even
Though
It's
Not
A
Human
Making
A
Decision
And
You
At
The
Mercy
Of
Them
You
Can't
Do
Anything
You
Can't
Do
A
Thing
And
By
The
Time
You
Get
To
The
Point
Where
You
Can
Appeal
Whatever
Their
Decision
Is
It's
Too
Late
You
Know
Too
Much
Time
Has
Gone
By
This
Is
Insane
This
Is
Orwellian
This
Is
The
Nightmare
That
We've
Been
Warned
About
I
Am
Fearful
Of
Our
Future
And
On
So
Many
Levels
Yeah
There
Should
Always
Be
Levels
Of
Recourse
You
Shouldn't
Just
Have
A
Totally
Unattended
Customer
Service
Non-existent
Customer
Service
Option
And
These
Sort
Of
Sort
Of
Reviews
And
Things
Like
That
Where
You
Have
To
Go
Through
A
Process
And
You
Get
Kind
Of
A
Yes
Or
No
There
Should
Be
Like
Really
Clear
Appeals
And
Other
Ways
To
Seek
Recourse
This
Has
Come
In
Into
A
Lot
Of
Situations
When
People
Are
Trying
To
Recover
Things
If
They
Got
Locked
Out
Of
Something
With
Their
Family
I
Haven't
Played
A
Video
Game
In
A
Long
Time
I
Just
Assume
People
Were
Getting
Those
Cartridges
And
Saving
Them
And
You
Know
When
They
Want
To
Play
A
Game
They
Just
Take
It
Off
The
Shelf
And
Inserted
And
But
No
Everyone
Everyone
Is
Connected
To
Some
Portal
Some
Place
And
You
Don't
Have
Control
Over
The
Things
That
You
Bought
And
That's
Okay
That's
Normal
It's
Really
Expensive
And
These
Are
Kids
Being
Victimized
By
This
So
Yeah
Xbox
Should
Hang
Their
Head
In
Shame
I'm
Sure
They're
Not
The
Only
One
Alex
We
Have
A
Caller
Go
A
Yeah
So
I
Just
Wanted
To
Say
That
They
Like
The
Caller
Had
Mentioned
There's
A
Human
Element
To
This
And
I
Think
As
Our
Caller
Really
Indicated
She
Had
Empathy
She
Felt
The
Pain
Of
These
People
I
Guess
When
They
Couldn't
Get
On
The
Internet
And
They
Were
Trying
To
Configure
And
Had
To
To
To
Technical
Support
And
Could
Understand
Chatbot
But
Speaking
Of
Callers
Why
Don't
We
Take
Our
Next
One
And
Our
Address
OTH
At
2600.com
If
You
Want
To
Write
Us
With
Your
Questions
Or
Anything
Like
That
And
By
The
I
Should
Point
Out
She
Was
Talking
About
Cable
Vision
That
Became
Known
As
Optimum
Now
It's
Known
As
Altice
You
Know
When
Companies
Change
Their
Names
That
Many
Times
They're
Up
To
Something
I
Think
Yeah
All
Right
We
Have
A
Caller
Go
Ahead
You're
On
The
Air
Hi
Can
You
Hear
Me
It's
Pete
From
Queens
Yes
How
You
Doing
Go
Ahead
Good
How
Are
You
I
Had
A
Question
Maybe
More
For
Alex
About
Legalities
Of
Encryption
Going
Forward
If
Some
Antagonistic
Administration
Tries
To
Make
All
Types
Of
Encryption
Illegal
To
Slow
Down
Communications
Between
Individuals
Don't
Want
To
Monitor
What
Risks
Are
There
For
Encryption
For
Individual
Use
Okay
First
Alex
I'm
Going
To
Ask
You
To
Say
A
Sentence
And
See
If
The
Caller
Can
Hear
You
If
If
They
Can
Continue
And
If
Not
Caller
Please
Listen
On
The
On
The
Radio
Go
Ahead
Alex
Okay
Great
So
This
Is
A
Sentence
I'm
Going
To
Say
Did
You
Hear
Did
You
Hear
That
Caller
It
Was
Jumbled
But
I
Heard
Him
Say
Well
That's
How
He
Talks
But
Okay
Go
Go
Ahead
Alex
Let's
Give
It
A
Shot
But
Have
Your
Radio
Handy
In
Case
You
Can't
Hear
Yeah
Sure
I
Think
These
Are
Battles
That
We
Had
Really
Kind
Of
Fought
And
Won
You
Would
Think
Back
In
The
Ninety
When
You
Go
Back
To
Things
Like
The
Clipper
Chip
Which
Was
That
The
Key
To
Decrypt
All
Of
This
Was
Escrowed
With
The
Government
So
That
They
Would
Be
Able
To
Decrypt
All
Your
Communications
And
Essentially
Perform
A wiretap
On
Anybody
That
They
Wanted
And
So
I
Think
That
Was
A
Terrible
Idea
Way
Back
In
The
90s
And
The
Hacker
Community
And
The
Cypher
Punk
Community
And
I
Think
The
Community
That
Generally
Has
Common
Sense
We
All
Proposed
This
And
It
Was
Defeated
And
So
I
Think
We're
Seeing
Now
Law
Enforcement
Attitudes
Towards
Encryption
Changing
And
Seeing
It
Now
As
Something
That
That's
Really
Bad
That
Can
Hide
Criminal
Activity
And
That
Phones
Should
Be
Subject
To
Automatic
Decryption
We
Have
Laws
Like
CALEA
The
Communications
Assessment
To
Law
Enforcement
Act
That
Mandates
That
Telecommunications
Providers
Have
To
Have
Some
Form
Of
Way
Of
Authorizing
A
Lawful
Intercept
If
A
Warrant
Has
Been
Issued
On
Probable
Cause
By
A
Judge
To
Intercept
Somebody's
Communications
So
There
Are
Some
Laws
That
We
Have
On
The
Books
That
Mandate
The
Compromise
Of
Our
Communications
But
When
We're
Talking
About
Email
Messages
And
We're
Talking
About
SMS
Communications
I
Think
It
Be
Very
Hard
For
The
There
Are
So
Many
Ways
That
We
Can
Use
Encryption
There
Are
So
Many
Apps
That
Use
Encryption
By
Default
This
Public
Key
Cryptography
Is
A
Thing
That
That's
Used
In
Signal
It's
Used
In
Wire
It's
Used
In
Telegram
It's
Used
In
All
These
Apps
That
Are
Bog
Standard
That
You
Can
Get
On
Your
iPhone
And
You
Can
Always
Revert
Back
To
PGP
To
Pretty
Good
Privacy
So
I
Think
Our
Chances
Of
Getting
Around
This
Are
Really
Good
I
Think
The
Toothpaste
Is
Out
Of
The
Bottle
And
I
Really
Hope
That
This
Is
Not
One
Of
The
Situations
Where
I'm
Proven
Wrong
And
I
Really
Hope
The
Caller
Was
Able
To
Hear
You
Were
Able
To
Hear
That
Caller
I
Think
I
Heard
The
Of
It
I'm
Glad
To
Hear
That
Alex
Is
That
To
Get
Messages
Passed
By
Sneakernet
Or
Something
Right
That's
All
Thank
You
Take
Care
I
Think
We
Have
Time
For
One
More
Call
802
321
4225
The
Only
Thing
I
Would
Add
To
That
Alex
Is
That
Just
Because
It's
Difficult
For
Them
To
Prove
This
Or
What
Not
Doesn't
Mean
They're
Not
Going
To
Try
I
Mean
They're
Suing
Harvard
They're
Suing
The
New
York
Times
They're
Suing
ABC
For
The
Programs
They
Put
On
It's
It's
Crazy
What
This
Administration
Will
Try
To
Do
Even
Though
There
Is
Absolutely
No
Sense
Behind
It
So
It's
Entirely
Don't
Take
Tylenol
Either
I'm
Told
So
There's
Just
So
Much
Nonsensical
Nonsense
Yeah
That's
The
Thing
Nonsensical
Nonsense
Going
On
At
I
Can't
Say
They're
Not
Going
To
Try
They
Won't
Succeed
They
Can
Succeed
Technically
And
I'm
Certain
Legally
As
Well
Okay
One
More
Phone
Call
Good
Evening
You're
On
Off
The
Hook
Go
Ahead
Hey
It's
Hurricane
Season
So
I
Heard
Starlink
Who
Swooped
In
To
Save
The
Day
For
All
The
People
Who
Became
Off
Grid
And
Perhaps
Wanted
To
Stay
Off
Grid
Down
Like
Asheville
Kind
Of
People
That
Is
I
Heard
Community
Among
Many
That
Were
Like
Hmm
Maybe
We
Could
Start
Fresh
And
Just
Be
A
Completely
Off
Grid
Community
So
Mesh
Net
How
About
You
Guys
Telling
The
World
The
Great
News
That
People
Are
Ready
To
Be
Deployed
To
You
Know
Set
Up
Mesh
Net
For
Everybody
During
The
Next
Disaster
Relief
Mobilization
Uh
Is
Is
That
What
You
Are
Telling
Us
I'm
Hoping
You'll
Tell
Me
Who's
Ready
Oh
We're
Ready
We're
Ready
And
Willing
And
Able
I
Think
Yeah
Absolutely
We need
Guides
And
Maybe
Someone
Can
Put
Together
And
Organize
Information
Around
It
Maybe
Parts
Lists
Things
That
People
Have
Found
Helpful
Or
Common
Common
Challenges
When
Connecting
Or
Otherwise
Building
One
Of
These
But
Certainly
For
Disaster
Relief
And
All
Kinds
Of
Alternative
Networks
There
Was
I
Believe
A
Talk
Or
Some
Some
Vending
That
Went
On
At
Hope
That
Talked
A
Lot
About
Mesh
NYC
Mesh
And
Other
Mesh
Networks
So
It's
A
Fantastic
Technology
And
It
Is
Not
Just
For
Criminal
Gangs
It's
For
Everybody
Absolutely
These
Are
Our
Airwaves
I
Think
That's
What
We
Have
To
Remember
These
Are
The
Public
Airwaves
And
We
Can
Use
Them
How
We
See
Fit
Within
The
Guidelines
And
Those
Great
Idea
Those
Videos
Will
Be
Coming
Online
Fairly
Soon
We've
Just
Been
Swamped
But
I'm
Glad
That
Came
Up
And
Mesh
That
Is
Something
We're
Going
To
Continue
Talking
About
It's
Interesting
Never
Having
The
Slightest
Hint
That
He
Will
Be
Facing
Such
A
Much
Greater
Threat
With
Pancreatic
Cancer
This
Year
So
Alex
I
Know
You
Had
Something
Else
To
Add
Before
We
Sign
Off
Tonight
Yeah
Well
You
Know
To
Mention
Greg
There
But
I
I
Really
Hope
That
You
Make
It
Over
To
Him
And
Send
Him
My
Love
And
I
Love
What
The
Kohler
Said
As
Well
I
Think
Decentralized
Internet
Access
Is
Awesome
And
We
Need
To
Support
Projects
Like
NYC
Mesh
Even
More
Yeah
I
Mean
Are
We
Equipped
For
A
One
Minute
Description
Of
Mesh
Net
For
Anybody
Who
Might
Not
Know
What
We're
Talking
About
Yeah
Sure
I
Mean
Mesh
Nets
Are
Basically
Like
Physical
Networks
Of
Interconnected
Devices
Antennas
It's
Usually
Run
By
Community
Members
People
Connect
Directly
To
Each
Other
Rather
Than
To
Some
Kind
Of
Centralized
Server
And
Internet
Traffic
Is
Routed
Through
That
Mesh
Network
That
Is
Created
Through
Volunteers
And
Each
Participant's
Node
Would
Then
Relay
Messages
To
Other
Nodes
And
Then
Ultimately
Over
To
The
Wider
Internet
So
It's
Basically
Like
Community
Driven
Internet
That's
Decentralized
Rather
Than
Centralized
It's
Awesome
Yeah
It's
Really
Helpful
Because
You
Can
Build
So
Many
Services
So
Many
Things
Temporarily
Or
Permanently
On
Top
Of
That
Business
Models
People
Get
Access
Through
Their
Community
And
It's
Got
A lot
Of
Possibility
And
In
All
Kinds
Of
Situations
So
Absolutely
Great
Ideas
And
I'd
Love
To
Talk
More
About
That
In
The
Future
I
Think
This
Is
The
Time
For
Mesh
Net
To
Shine
Along
With
Many
Other
Ways
That
People
Are
Being
Empowered
Through
Communications
Means
And
Not
Have
It
Rely
On
Billionaires
Not
Have
It
Rely
On
Centralized
Sources
As
We've
Been
Doing
In
The
Past
Because
They
Always
Seem
To
Let
Us
Down
All
Right
That's
Going
To
Have
To
Be
The
Last
Word
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Good
Night
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See
That
This
Is
Not
The
World
That
God
Intended
It
To
Be
Oh
No
No
No
No
No
That's
Why
You
Hear
Me
Say
Now
I
Got
To
Find
A
New
World
Where
The
People
Understand
How
To
Treat
One
Another
Throughout
Their
Land
Yeah
Oh
Yeah
Everybody
Pack up
And
Go
With
Mean
I
Got
To
Find
A
New
World
Where
The
People
Get
Along
You
And
Me
Where
Everybody
Loves
Each
Other
Every
Day
And
Me
Yeah
Yeah
Yeah
Hey
Come on in
Come on, come on and go with me
I want to hear people say
Can I help you?
I got to hear people say
Come on in
I want to hear people say
Say anything I can do for you
I got to hear people say
Let me help you
I want to be able to walk when I'm on my
I got to be able to talk when I'm on my
I want to be able to love when I need it
Yeah, yeah, all right
Come on and go with me
Have a lot of fun
Oh, got to find a new world, baby
Got to, got to find it