[00:00.000 --> 00:07.400]  And hello everybody here on YouTube for Off The Hook Overtime.
[00:08.240 --> 00:09.220]  This is Emmanuel.
[00:10.320 --> 00:11.600]  Kyle, you're here?
[00:12.140 --> 00:12.320]  Yeah.
[00:12.960 --> 00:13.660]  In YouTube?
[00:14.540 --> 00:15.620]  I'm in YouTube.
[00:15.620 --> 00:18.560]  I'm in all kinds of things.
[00:18.840 --> 00:19.020]  Yeah.
[00:19.360 --> 00:19.700]  Yeah.
[00:19.700 --> 00:26.300]  But for now, just mostly like, you know, whatever frequency range my voice can do.
[00:26.520 --> 00:26.800]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:27.040 --> 00:27.660]  YouTube Live.
[00:27.660 --> 00:30.680]  So I guess this is, yeah, encoded and streaming.
[00:30.940 --> 00:34.300]  And Rob and Gila and Alex, you all make it?
[00:35.380 --> 00:36.540]  We are here.
[00:36.680 --> 00:37.120]  All right, then.
[00:37.560 --> 00:38.000]  That's it.
[00:38.100 --> 00:38.240]  Yep.
[00:38.500 --> 00:40.360]  And are we actually on YouTube?
[00:41.260 --> 00:43.520]  We are indeed on YouTube and sounding good.
[00:43.740 --> 00:48.480]  So this won't be one of these shows where we do the entire show and realize we weren't on YouTube the whole time.
[00:50.000 --> 00:51.180]  As fun as that would be.
[00:51.340 --> 00:52.520]  No, no, not tonight.
[00:53.320 --> 00:54.880]  It's by request many times, too.
[00:55.080 --> 00:56.200]  But okay, so here we are.
[00:56.320 --> 00:57.020]  Everything is fine.
[00:57.020 --> 01:05.780]  So please, if people want to blather on about things we didn't get to talk about on the show, I'll sit back for a minute and finish this pretzel.
[01:06.720 --> 01:10.660]  Okay, so I would like to mention, well, two things.
[01:10.840 --> 01:13.880]  Number one is that I'm actually going to have to dip out of here pretty soon.
[01:14.720 --> 01:16.160]  Rob is going to take over for me.
[01:19.540 --> 01:21.600]  We've got 39 people with us right now.
[01:21.780 --> 01:22.500]  Thank you very much.
[01:22.800 --> 01:36.460]  And in a weird turn of events, one of the comments, YouTube, at least in my browser, has flagged it as Filipino.
[01:38.480 --> 01:39.860]  Flagged it as Filipino.
[01:41.180 --> 01:41.900]  So...
[01:41.900 --> 01:43.840]  Wait, the show is Filipino?
[01:43.840 --> 01:50.580]  No, our buddy Lex posted, Heya Gila, which apparently in Filipino means hi crazy.
[01:52.440 --> 01:53.160]  Wow.
[01:53.600 --> 01:54.240]  Okay.
[01:55.620 --> 01:59.540]  So my...
[02:00.460 --> 02:03.240]  It's saying hi crazy, which I definitely appreciate.
[02:03.240 --> 02:05.320]  Um, yeah, so 40...
[02:05.320 --> 02:09.120]  Wait, so why does YouTube feel it has to tell us that it thinks that's Filipino?
[02:10.060 --> 02:12.420]  I'm not sure, but it is telling me it's translating.
[02:12.540 --> 02:16.200]  And I know that, like, there's...
[02:16.200 --> 02:20.020]  Okay, so it is, it is showing you the translation by default.
[02:20.240 --> 02:20.500]  Yes.
[02:20.780 --> 02:23.360]  So by default, it is changing what's shown to you.
[02:23.800 --> 02:27.520]  And I wonder if that's a setting you can manipulate.
[02:28.080 --> 02:28.900]  I don't know.
[02:29.280 --> 02:30.960]  So, I'd actually...
[02:30.960 --> 02:31.980]  No, it does not appear to be.
[02:31.980 --> 02:36.380]  I can see that on Rob's machine, it has not translated.
[02:37.480 --> 02:38.360]  So, listeners...
[02:38.360 --> 02:39.360]  I guess because you're the moderator.
[02:39.700 --> 02:40.860]  Maybe it's because I'm the moderator.
[02:41.080 --> 02:43.200]  So wait, so if somebody were...
[02:43.200 --> 02:51.440]  YouTube feels it's, it's job to tell you if you could possibly be offended in any language, and it's going to, it's going to offend you to your face.
[02:51.880 --> 02:58.420]  So I guess this is a tool for moderators in that if somebody is swearing in foreign, you would want to know about it, uh, theoretically.
[02:58.420 --> 03:06.720]  But, uh, for them to do this by default without, uh, without letting you disable it or anything, it is kind of, feels kind of invasive to me.
[03:06.900 --> 03:09.520]  I imagine every word is a curse in some language.
[03:10.680 --> 03:12.100]  I would assume as much.
[03:12.420 --> 03:14.260]  But, um, yeah.
[03:14.640 --> 03:23.940]  So that was, that, so we've learned now, um, YouTube will rat you out if you try to speak in another language.
[03:24.480 --> 03:26.880]  Um, are we landing a plane?
[03:28.080 --> 03:28.720]  What does that mean?
[03:29.340 --> 03:29.780]  Oh.
[03:31.100 --> 03:35.400]  You know, uh, this is radio, so nobody knows what you're talking about, including me, because I wasn't watching.
[03:35.580 --> 03:36.300]  I had my eyes closed.
[03:36.620 --> 03:37.060]  Sorry.
[03:37.240 --> 03:48.860]  So I was watching the screen where the signal chat is, and all of a sudden the light was blinking, and now Kyle is an air traffic controller just missing the little, uh, sticks.
[03:49.180 --> 03:49.960]  The little lightsabers.
[03:51.180 --> 03:52.620]  We have our hobbies out here.
[03:53.100 --> 03:54.860]  We're, um, yes.
[03:55.980 --> 03:58.840]  We're, we are, we are full contact.
[03:58.840 --> 04:04.280]  We're ready and, uh, keeping safety, uh, a solid third.
[04:04.280 --> 04:08.200]  If a plane needs to land, you know, it's important that you know how to do it.
[04:08.320 --> 04:09.820]  You know how to make sure it can land.
[04:10.120 --> 04:11.900]  Oh, all the time.
[04:12.060 --> 04:12.240]  Right.
[04:12.280 --> 04:12.720]  All the time.
[04:12.840 --> 04:12.960]  Yeah.
[04:13.160 --> 04:13.360]  Yeah.
[04:13.620 --> 04:13.700]  Yeah.
[04:13.780 --> 04:21.200]  But, yeah, it's, um, it's a lot of, uh, work behind the scenes here, and we're just, we're just doing our job.
[04:22.720 --> 04:23.340]  Trying to.
[04:23.820 --> 04:24.000]  Yes.
[04:24.180 --> 04:25.840]  Uh, I'll go ahead, Kila, then Alex.
[04:26.440 --> 04:26.680]  Sorry.
[04:26.940 --> 04:31.800]  Uh, other people have tried to put things, not tried, have put things in other languages into the chat.
[04:32.060 --> 04:35.300]  Um, so I'm glad to hear beans that you are Cancun.
[04:37.380 --> 04:37.640]  Um,
[04:42.670 --> 04:44.750]  this, this could be, this could be fun to play with.
[04:44.830 --> 04:45.890]  This could be fun to play with.
[04:46.390 --> 04:48.010]  Or it could be extremely dull.
[04:49.310 --> 04:50.830]  I mean, I'm having a good time.
[04:51.230 --> 04:53.150]  Yes, but check in in 10 minutes.
[04:53.810 --> 04:55.010]  How do you feel then?
[04:55.170 --> 04:56.470]  I'm sure you'll be sick of it.
[04:58.710 --> 04:59.270]  Most likely.
[04:59.410 --> 05:03.850]  However, our listenership has got, we've gotten 20 more people as we've been having this conversation.
[05:03.970 --> 05:05.890]  So I'm not saying it's not working.
[05:06.470 --> 05:06.830]  Absolutely.
[05:07.150 --> 05:07.230]  Yeah.
[05:07.230 --> 05:10.510]  we'll try to curse in English so we can all.
[05:10.630 --> 05:10.970]  Yeah.
[05:11.010 --> 05:11.790]  I'll benefit from this.
[05:11.990 --> 05:12.690]  It'd be fun.
[05:12.850 --> 05:14.110]  We all want to participate.
[05:14.630 --> 05:19.730]  And of course we're, uh, uh, based in the U S and speaking.
[05:20.690 --> 05:23.410]  Um, well, okay.
[05:23.450 --> 05:26.830]  Let's say mostly non-standard, mostly standard English.
[05:27.190 --> 05:30.090]  And, uh, yeah, you know, you're welcome to do that too.
[05:32.610 --> 05:34.510]  Well, look, I, I did look this up.
[05:34.630 --> 05:46.070]  Hey, Gila, if you translate, translate it and use the detect language function on translate.google.com, it does translate it from Malay.
[05:46.250 --> 05:47.110]  Oh, Malay.
[05:47.470 --> 05:47.790]  Yeah.
[05:47.890 --> 05:49.050]  From Malay.
[05:49.470 --> 05:51.870]  Interestingly enough is what Google detects it as.
[05:52.070 --> 05:54.490]  Um, and it translates it to, Hey, crazy.
[05:54.490 --> 05:56.910]  Uh, Malaysia is not the Philippines.
[05:57.430 --> 05:59.810]  No, it's not, but Malay is a language though.
[06:01.090 --> 06:06.170]  I, I misspoke just like the 400 people who accidentally got registered to vote.
[06:06.330 --> 06:07.570]  It was pure human error.
[06:08.690 --> 06:10.290]  Yeah, I guess so.
[06:10.570 --> 06:10.710]  Right.
[06:10.930 --> 06:15.970]  As I, I, I'm interested to know is which, which Hey, is it Heya or Gila?
[06:16.130 --> 06:16.810]  That means crazy.
[06:17.630 --> 06:19.530]  Um, this knowledge is important to me.
[06:19.670 --> 06:19.930]  It's Gila.
[06:20.290 --> 06:21.030]  It's Gila.
[06:21.470 --> 06:21.650]  Yep.
[06:22.390 --> 06:23.610]  What did you expect, Rob?
[06:24.150 --> 06:29.310]  I mean, my, my first name means to, my, my first name in English means to steal stuff.
[06:29.490 --> 06:32.690]  So, I mean, I can't really speak out of turn about this.
[06:34.170 --> 06:36.030]  Isn't there a lizard called a Gila monster?
[06:36.410 --> 06:37.650]  There certainly is.
[06:37.830 --> 06:40.290]  you must be aware of that then growing up with the name Gila.
[06:40.710 --> 06:41.110]  Wow.
[06:41.450 --> 06:41.710]  Yeah.
[06:42.070 --> 06:42.390]  Yeah.
[06:42.630 --> 06:42.910]  Yeah.
[06:43.430 --> 06:48.390]  Um, I use, when I was a little kid, I used to cry a lot and say, I'm not a monster.
[06:48.590 --> 06:49.270]  I'm not a monster.
[06:50.310 --> 06:53.810]  But then you brought a Gila monster to school one day and everybody shut up after that.
[06:54.030 --> 06:55.110]  They stayed out of my way.
[06:55.530 --> 07:05.730]  Do you know, however, one thing that Gila monsters brought to the world, which has really affected the way that the whole world is living right now.
[07:06.610 --> 07:07.730]  GLP ones.
[07:07.990 --> 07:08.750]  In fact.
[07:09.850 --> 07:10.490]  Yeah.
[07:10.890 --> 07:15.490]  The GLP ones are like derived from a trait that these reptiles have.
[07:16.490 --> 07:18.210]  Can you explain this a little better?
[07:18.550 --> 07:18.890]  Yeah.
[07:19.070 --> 07:27.710]  They basically, um, change the way they metabolize, uh, sugars, I guess, or insulin, something about that, uh, regulation.
[07:27.730 --> 07:34.050]  I believe it allows them to factor, cast or to go into dormant.
[07:34.210 --> 07:35.550]  I don't know if I'm explaining this.
[07:35.650 --> 07:36.370]  It's something like that.
[07:36.450 --> 07:38.770]  They have a natural state that is peculiar.
[07:39.190 --> 07:44.310]  And, um, believe it or not, science was science.
[07:44.910 --> 07:45.070]  Yeah.
[07:45.390 --> 08:06.030]  Was curious about this and, um, found funding in, uh, market to maybe benefit from this trait in, um, in, um, obese and, uh, Americans seeking this kind of, uh, well, just Americans kind of skill.
[08:06.350 --> 08:06.550]  Yeah.
[08:06.730 --> 08:08.370]  They don't naturally come by it.
[08:08.450 --> 08:08.870]  I don't know.
[08:08.990 --> 08:22.510]  It's, it's been helpful, but also kind of, uh, socially, uh, uh, a topic of conversation socially, uh, like people, you know, micro dosing now.
[08:22.510 --> 08:23.730]  And I don't know.
[08:23.870 --> 08:28.490]  I assume Doritos will have a GLP one flavor chip soon.
[08:29.030 --> 08:31.050]  They're just going to dust those things.
[08:31.750 --> 08:34.550]  And, uh, there'll be like diet chips or something.
[08:35.130 --> 08:36.270]  All from Gila monsters.
[08:36.590 --> 08:37.090]  I, yeah.
[08:37.310 --> 08:37.730]  Yeah.
[08:37.730 --> 08:39.510]  It's the bounty that is nature.
[08:39.670 --> 08:40.030]  Who knew?
[08:40.190 --> 08:40.590]  Yeah.
[08:41.930 --> 08:42.370]  All right.
[08:42.510 --> 08:44.690]  So this, this is going to be my moment.
[08:45.410 --> 08:52.230]  Um, I have a meeting I have to get to, so I'm going to, I thought we had a little bit more time than that.
[08:52.230 --> 08:53.210]  Oh my God.
[08:53.590 --> 08:54.550]  I said 10 minutes.
[08:54.910 --> 08:56.410]  Yeah, but it's, is it 10 minutes?
[08:56.550 --> 08:56.870]  You're right.
[08:56.990 --> 08:57.910]  It's exactly 10 minutes.
[08:58.170 --> 08:58.810]  It is.
[08:59.010 --> 09:04.550]  So I'm going to pass my laptop up to Rob.
[09:04.950 --> 09:05.390]  Okay.
[09:05.650 --> 09:07.690]  And I will bid you all a lovely evening.
[09:07.830 --> 09:08.410]  I can't watch.
[09:11.470 --> 09:12.630]  Pass the damn laptop.
[09:12.770 --> 09:13.290]  Get it over with.
[09:13.510 --> 09:14.810]  This is going to be disastrous.
[09:15.090 --> 09:15.270]  Okay.
[09:15.950 --> 09:17.190]  I'm, I'm on here now.
[09:17.270 --> 09:21.730]  And, uh, Hey chat, when you see Gil, his name on stuff, it's coming from me.
[09:22.230 --> 09:22.750]  I am now.
[09:22.970 --> 09:23.550]  Look at me.
[09:23.710 --> 09:24.450]  I'm the Gila now.
[09:24.490 --> 09:25.530]  The part I hate the most.
[09:25.990 --> 09:26.770]  I'm not taking my phone.
[09:27.970 --> 09:28.290]  Okay.
[09:28.550 --> 09:28.810]  All right.
[09:28.930 --> 09:29.190]  All right.
[09:29.430 --> 09:29.830]  Uh, yes.
[09:30.510 --> 09:32.090]  Oh, you're waving goodbye.
[09:32.230 --> 09:32.370]  Okay.
[09:32.530 --> 09:32.730]  Wow.
[09:33.950 --> 09:38.250]  She's going to come back, you know, and, uh, continue that conversation.
[09:38.350 --> 09:39.650]  You need to work on your melee accent.
[09:39.870 --> 09:43.950]  Why don't we invite a whole lot more people, uh, in, uh, by opening up the phone lines.
[09:44.270 --> 09:44.990]  Anybody object?
[09:46.070 --> 09:47.410]  That sounds like a great idea.
[09:47.410 --> 09:47.450]  Yeah.
[09:47.690 --> 09:48.330]  Hearing no objections.
[09:48.590 --> 09:52.850]  Uh, the move is, um, is, motion is passed.
[09:53.030 --> 09:53.810]  The motion is passed.
[09:54.270 --> 09:55.710]  And the phone number is.
[09:57.690 --> 09:58.950]  That's eight zero two.
[09:59.190 --> 10:00.630]  Don't give out your phone number.
[10:00.630 --> 10:06.390]  I will try to just to stick to trying to redeem myself from last week.
[10:06.530 --> 10:11.550]  Eight zero two, three, two, one, four, two, two, That's eight zero two, three, two, one.
[10:12.090 --> 10:14.170]  H a C K.
[10:14.550 --> 10:18.670]  That's eight zero two, three, two, one hack, by the way, for those of you too lazy to spell.
[10:19.710 --> 10:20.710]  Yeah, I know.
[10:21.050 --> 10:26.970]  Well, um, what are the odds on our usual person being the first time caller here?
[10:27.010 --> 10:27.970]  Wasn't last week.
[10:28.010 --> 10:30.210]  And I believe he said he was going to be in Europe.
[10:30.930 --> 10:32.370]  So, uh, Oh, that's right.
[10:32.810 --> 10:34.730]  The odds might be slimmer than you think, Alex.
[10:35.030 --> 10:35.810]  Yeah, that's great.
[10:36.010 --> 10:36.170]  Yeah.
[10:36.350 --> 10:36.450]  Yeah.
[10:36.530 --> 10:36.890]  I'm sorry.
[10:36.990 --> 10:38.110]  We do have a phone call.
[10:38.190 --> 10:39.190]  I forgot to turn the ringer on.
[10:39.330 --> 10:40.210]  I'll do that for the next call.
[10:40.430 --> 10:42.530]  We have a quiet caller.
[10:42.690 --> 10:42.870]  Okay.
[10:43.370 --> 10:43.870]  Good evening.
[10:44.030 --> 10:45.690]  You're on off the hook over time.
[10:45.810 --> 10:46.050]  Go ahead.
[10:46.830 --> 10:47.550]  Quiet caller.
[10:47.750 --> 10:48.550]  Yes, and I will.
[10:48.810 --> 10:49.930]  Well, I guess I was wrong.
[10:50.290 --> 10:53.130]  Uh, he was number one, uh, rebel.
[10:53.310 --> 10:55.210]  Did you not go to Europe or are you still going?
[10:55.490 --> 10:56.610]  No, I'm going next week.
[10:56.730 --> 10:57.370]  Next week.
[10:57.910 --> 10:59.010]  Someone write it down.
[10:59.210 --> 10:59.310]  Okay.
[11:00.750 --> 11:01.390]  Next week.
[11:01.570 --> 11:03.470]  I hope there's an off the hook over time next week.
[11:03.530 --> 11:03.930]  Well, you don't know.
[11:04.030 --> 11:04.450]  Nobody knows.
[11:04.610 --> 11:07.990]  But, uh, next, um, uh, where will you be in one week's time?
[11:08.430 --> 11:11.510]  In, uh, Geneva, Switzerland.
[11:12.390 --> 11:13.030]  Get out.
[11:13.290 --> 11:13.490]  Really?
[11:14.550 --> 11:14.810]  Yeah.
[11:14.990 --> 11:16.790]  I mean, I just wanted to do everything Swiss.
[11:16.790 --> 11:25.670]  I just, you know, Swiss, Swiss watch, you know, because, you know, you hear everything Swiss, like, you know, Swiss cheese and Swiss watches and Swiss army banks and Swiss, you know,
[11:30.630 --> 11:35.730]  uh, you know, the, the, the, the wealthy country is like.
[11:36.210 --> 11:37.670]  Did you bring your money?
[11:38.230 --> 11:40.770]  Uh, yeah, because, uh, yeah, I, I saved a lot of that.
[11:40.890 --> 11:41.030]  Yeah.
[11:41.170 --> 11:43.650]  A wealthy country is like $60 for a sandwich.
[11:44.330 --> 11:44.770]  Right.
[11:44.930 --> 11:45.090]  Yeah.
[11:45.090 --> 11:47.270]  And I go to the Swiss Alps, you know.
[11:47.890 --> 11:49.510]  Not even that good a sandwich either.
[11:50.950 --> 11:52.930]  Well, I mean, I'm going to, I'm going to do that.
[11:53.050 --> 11:59.870]  And then I'm going to go to, to, to Italy and, you know, go to places around that country.
[12:00.070 --> 12:00.250]  Uh-huh.
[12:00.430 --> 12:00.650]  Uh-huh.
[12:01.910 --> 12:06.210]  So, um, I said, I suggest a city, uh, called Rome.
[12:06.590 --> 12:07.570]  It's, uh, it's quite nice.
[12:07.650 --> 12:10.490]  no, I've been to Rome a couple of years ago, but I'm going to Milan.
[12:10.790 --> 12:11.590]  Milan is nice too.
[12:11.630 --> 12:13.810]  And then I'm going to go to, yeah, I'm going to go to Venice.
[12:14.270 --> 12:14.930]  Venice is all right.
[12:15.090 --> 12:17.210]  And then I'm going to go to, to, to Florence.
[12:17.570 --> 12:17.890]  Florence.
[12:18.050 --> 12:18.890]  I've heard of all these places.
[12:19.010 --> 12:19.270]  Wow.
[12:20.230 --> 12:20.490]  Yeah.
[12:20.590 --> 12:22.510]  And then I'm going to fly back home from Rome.
[12:23.110 --> 12:23.630]  Uh-huh.
[12:23.850 --> 12:24.170]  All right.
[12:24.270 --> 12:24.510]  All right.
[12:25.750 --> 12:30.550]  So, but while I'm in, uh, Switzerland, I'm going to be in the Western part and Geneva.
[12:30.770 --> 12:31.670]  I'm going to be near France.
[12:31.670 --> 12:36.990]  So I'll just go to France and, you know, maybe have some French toast and, you know, French fries.
[12:37.310 --> 12:39.750]  They speak Swiss German in parts of the country.
[12:40.670 --> 12:42.610]  Well, that's the, that's Zurich.
[12:42.730 --> 12:43.910]  I'm going to be in Zurich as well.
[12:44.110 --> 12:48.970]  So, but I'm going to be stopping in Bern because I want to start a skate at the Swiss hotel.
[12:50.210 --> 12:50.450]  Yes.
[12:50.590 --> 12:57.410]  Bern is where I had Geraldo Rivera's video camera stolen because I, I had brought it overseas.
[12:57.410 --> 13:02.270]  I was, I was, I was, I was, uh, basically getting footage for them for a program.
[13:02.270 --> 13:05.270]  I don't think anybody remembers called now it can be told.
[13:05.590 --> 13:07.030]  Uh, and, uh, I remember.
[13:07.230 --> 13:07.310]  Yeah.
[13:07.410 --> 13:07.990]  You remember that?
[13:08.110 --> 13:08.270]  Okay.
[13:08.590 --> 13:10.670]  And I was supposed to go to Amsterdam and film hackers.
[13:11.210 --> 13:13.590]  Uh, and eventually it's exactly what I did.
[13:13.730 --> 13:15.110]  Just not with that video recorder.
[13:15.110 --> 13:22.630]  Cause I slept in a hospital overnight and while the camera was in the locker, somebody opened the locker and stole it along with other things.
[13:22.790 --> 13:25.210]  And the, uh, the hostel was in on it.
[13:25.270 --> 13:27.890]  I know they were because they tried to get me not to talk to the cops.
[13:27.890 --> 13:31.310]  And they said that everyone else that had things ripped off, that was not related.
[13:31.830 --> 13:35.750]  Uh, and, um, obviously somebody had the key to get into the locker.
[13:35.970 --> 13:36.110]  Yeah.
[13:36.150 --> 13:41.090]  There's all kinds of, but it was insured and it was, it was, it was all good fun in the end.
[13:42.590 --> 13:42.910]  Yeah.
[13:43.070 --> 13:50.310]  So, I'm going to, you know, um, you know, because I want to stay in a Swiss hotel, you know, the one of the, you almost stay in a hotel.
[13:50.450 --> 13:55.770]  Don't stay, don't stay in one of those hostels and don't leave your, don't leave her other video camera, you know, in a locker.
[13:55.910 --> 13:57.270]  You might think it's safe, but it's not.
[13:57.450 --> 13:57.870]  All right.
[13:58.430 --> 13:58.630]  Right.
[13:59.810 --> 14:01.970]  Um, yeah, then I'm going to go to, uh, Geneva.
[14:02.470 --> 14:10.430]  I mean, Zurich and then, you know, then I'm going to go to Germany and, you know, because I've been to Germany and, you know, Italy and France and all.
[14:10.470 --> 14:11.250]  I've been there before.
[14:11.510 --> 14:12.610]  I just happen to be in.
[14:13.150 --> 14:16.290]  Yeah, these are countries that, um, that we've heard of.
[14:16.430 --> 14:17.670]  Yeah, yeah, that's, okay.
[14:18.750 --> 14:19.450]  Let's see.
[14:19.810 --> 14:22.190]  Um, um, let's see.
[14:22.650 --> 14:26.450]  Today's phone call, um, today's phone call?
[14:26.530 --> 14:29.410]  Wait, are you actually titling your call to us?
[14:30.690 --> 14:30.850]  Yeah.
[14:32.050 --> 14:36.030]  I'm going to, remember when they used to ask you if you're calling from a touchtone phone?
[14:36.530 --> 14:37.890]  Like, they still do it.
[14:38.010 --> 14:39.150]  Like, listen to it to happen.
[14:41.590 --> 14:43.570]  If you're calling from a touchtone phone, press one.
[14:43.750 --> 14:44.990]  I don't know if anybody still says that.
[14:45.070 --> 14:45.750]  You're calling from a touchtone phone.
[14:45.750 --> 14:46.890]  Oh, I guess I'm wrong.
[14:47.010 --> 14:47.910]  You can do it in English.
[14:48.190 --> 14:48.970]  Press one.
[14:49.410 --> 14:50.830]  I mean, like, yeah.
[14:51.570 --> 14:55.910]  What, like, it's 2020, so what, what kind of kind of phone would I be calling from?
[14:56.070 --> 14:57.410]  Well, I can call from a rotary phone.
[14:57.550 --> 14:58.350]  I can do that right now.
[14:59.010 --> 15:01.470]  No, because rotary phones don't work on digital switches.
[15:02.430 --> 15:04.490]  I'm not sure that, no, they work on digital switches.
[15:04.490 --> 15:08.430]  They work on DMS 100s and, and five ESSs and things like that.
[15:08.870 --> 15:13.350]  I've never, I've never found a landline that a rotary phone does not work on.
[15:13.550 --> 15:14.670]  I'm sure it's possible.
[15:14.830 --> 15:17.010]  I'm sure it happens, but I've never encountered that.
[15:17.230 --> 15:20.710]  I don't think it's, it's a rule that digital switches don't process pulses.
[15:21.870 --> 15:38.450]  Yeah, no, I believe if you can get the rotary pulses directly to the phone network, whether it's digital or analog, it'll still support the pulses where you might come up against a gem is if you are plugging a phone into say a cable modem that also gives you what they call a landline,
[15:38.570 --> 15:40.750]  but which is not a landline, it's a VoIP line.
[15:41.270 --> 15:46.790]  You, you won't have any luck using rotary pulses directly into a VoIP system for the most part.
[15:47.070 --> 15:47.330]  Yeah.
[15:47.990 --> 15:49.750]  But I think that's, yeah.
[15:49.930 --> 15:50.930]  Yeah, Rob's absolutely right.
[15:51.070 --> 16:03.890]  It's a part of the protocol for the public telephone network that, that switching system has integrated pulses as a, a legacy method of dialing.
[16:04.350 --> 16:21.830]  Part of the reason for that is not only to support the equipment of any old folks who still have a rotary phone and still use it as their main thing, but there is also emergency equipment out there still in use in dusty old closets somewhere that, that would use pulses to do what it needs to do,
[16:21.930 --> 16:23.330]  alarm systems and things like that.
[16:23.330 --> 16:28.390]  And so the, the phone network still has to support the ancient technology.
[16:28.590 --> 16:30.990]  And so your rotary phone should still work.
[16:31.070 --> 16:39.210]  If you can get a working rotary phone that still sends pulses at the correct speed, mind you, because a lot of rotary dials don't do that anymore because the rubber inside is decayed.
[16:40.090 --> 16:45.130]  But if, if you can get the rotary pulses into the phone network at the right speed, they should still work.
[16:45.150 --> 16:54.570]  I used to, I used to speed up my dial when I, when I would dial like a zero, for instance, I'd, you know, You know, push it to the left and make it go twice the speed.
[16:54.710 --> 16:55.330]  And it still worked.
[16:56.130 --> 16:58.210]  You know, there should be some tolerance there.
[16:58.330 --> 17:00.550]  But I want to ask a question, and please be honest here.
[17:00.910 --> 17:05.530]  How many of you three that I'm talking to right now, and Rebel is on the phone, but he's doing his own thing.
[17:06.590 --> 17:12.590]  Have you ever used the pulse, the actual switch hook, to dial a number?
[17:13.210 --> 17:14.090]  All the time.
[17:14.370 --> 17:14.610]  Oh, yes.
[17:15.010 --> 17:16.470]  All right, tell your story, Alex.
[17:16.910 --> 17:24.610]  Yeah, I used to, back when I was a teenager, I used to sort of date a girl who lived...
[17:24.610 --> 17:26.170]  She was a little older than me.
[17:26.270 --> 17:27.290]  I mean, sort of date a girl.
[17:27.390 --> 17:28.430]  Did you date her or didn't you?
[17:28.710 --> 17:29.990]  I guess I did, yes.
[17:30.170 --> 17:32.790]  I don't think she'd be happy to hear the way you characterize it.
[17:33.470 --> 17:34.910]  Thankfully, I doubt she's listening.
[17:35.770 --> 17:37.090]  Well, you'd be surprised.
[17:37.270 --> 17:38.070]  You'd be surprised.
[17:38.330 --> 17:39.570]  I have been surprised.
[17:39.590 --> 17:43.530]  These recordings make their way throughout the world, so I'd best be careful what you say, mister.
[17:43.530 --> 17:51.350]  Yeah, anyhow, she was two years older than me, and she was in college when I was in high school, and that was upstate New York.
[17:51.610 --> 17:55.950]  And back in the time, back in that day, it was very expensive to make long-distance phone calls.
[17:56.490 --> 18:04.690]  So what I used to do is I used to go to OfficeMax, and they had one of those handsets where you'd pick up the phone, and then it would automatically dial some other extension.
[18:05.210 --> 18:10.850]  I would talk to this person, basically saying, like, oh, it's the wrong number, blah, blah, blah, blah, wait for them to hang up.
[18:10.950 --> 18:23.530]  And then I was able to get a dial tone on the OfficeMax line, but I didn't have... there were no touch tones, there were no DTMFs, so I would dial this girl by just flashing the switch hook over and over again.
[18:23.650 --> 18:27.290]  You know, like I would dial, you know, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 4, 5, 1, and then 8.
[18:27.530 --> 18:29.930]  She was up in Plattsburgh at the time.
[18:31.070 --> 18:36.930]  So, yeah, I did it constantly over at OfficeMax to call a girl.
[18:36.930 --> 18:41.690]  Note that Alex didn't dial 1 before the 518 area could, because you didn't have to do that then.
[18:41.770 --> 18:43.650]  In fact, that was another way to make phone calls.
[18:43.790 --> 18:48.270]  You could route calls through foreign exchange lines, but that's a whole other story.
[18:48.810 --> 18:57.950]  But yeah, you know, dialing the number by flashing the switch hook for the number of times that you want the digit, like a 5, you do it 5 times.
[18:58.650 --> 18:59.910]  But you know what you could do?
[19:00.030 --> 19:06.350]  You could always just do 0 and tell the operator you're having trouble dialing, and they could finish the call for you.
[19:06.350 --> 19:10.230]  If you didn't want to do all 7 or 10 digits...
[19:10.230 --> 19:14.290]  0 was the hardest number to get right, though, for some reason for me.
[19:14.370 --> 19:16.290]  It really, it always was, because it was 10.
[19:16.470 --> 19:16.950]  It was 10.
[19:16.970 --> 19:20.750]  You had to flash the switch hook 10 times at that exact type of cadence, right?
[19:21.150 --> 19:22.550]  So, that was a tough one.
[19:22.690 --> 19:23.490]  Did you ever try 11?
[19:25.490 --> 19:26.130]  I did.
[19:26.270 --> 19:26.670]  I did.
[19:26.850 --> 19:32.470]  I got an angry switchman or something saying, stop abusing the equipment.
[19:32.630 --> 19:37.930]  I don't know how I was abusing the equipment, what exactly happened when I dialed 11, but I never did it again.
[19:38.270 --> 19:40.230]  And in fact, I'm still afraid to do that.
[19:40.470 --> 19:42.110]  But you know, here's my question.
[19:42.710 --> 19:47.350]  You see old films, right, where people flash the switch hook and say, operator, get me the police.
[19:47.490 --> 19:48.150]  And you know, they swat.
[19:48.270 --> 19:50.050]  Are they flashing 10 times?
[19:50.230 --> 19:51.730]  Or are they just flashing?
[19:52.450 --> 19:54.850]  So, just flashing would get you the operator?
[19:55.050 --> 19:56.730]  Like, how many flashes did you need?
[19:57.010 --> 19:59.490]  You know, how did it not get mixed up with the pulsing?
[20:00.470 --> 20:02.070]  Yeah, somebody out there knows the answer.
[20:02.710 --> 20:03.570]  Maybe, maybe Rebel knows.
[20:03.690 --> 20:04.450]  Rebel, do you know the answer?
[20:04.850 --> 20:19.130]  I am, you know, I think when they were, because that was the old, like, like, when you had two phone numbers, two digits or something, and you're like, oh, one of those, like, I don't know, like, community dialer, where you just, like, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and then you'll get an operator which dials long distance.
[20:19.450 --> 20:20.050]  You know what I mean?
[20:20.130 --> 20:22.850]  Because you can't dial one plus the number back then.
[20:27.350 --> 20:31.270]  You know, flashing the switch hook got you the operator if you didn't flash 10 times.
[20:32.670 --> 20:33.970]  Probably back then, maybe.
[20:34.350 --> 20:35.170]  Okay, maybe back then.
[20:35.170 --> 20:35.770]  That's a good answer.
[20:35.910 --> 20:36.370]  Yes, Rob?
[20:36.970 --> 20:41.930]  I believe back then all that would do is it would flash a light on the operator's switchboard.
[20:42.390 --> 20:44.590]  And so the operator would see the light flashing.
[20:45.010 --> 20:53.930]  No matter if you pushed it, you know, five times or 10 times or, you know, 20 times, they would see the light flashing and know to pick up your line and say, number, please.
[20:53.930 --> 20:54.770]  Hang on.
[20:54.870 --> 20:59.770]  Are you telling me that every operator had a light for every customer?
[21:00.530 --> 21:01.650]  Have I picked up the phone?
[21:01.810 --> 21:04.390]  A light lights up somewhere on an operator's console?
[21:05.190 --> 21:19.290]  I don't know if it was for every customer, but I believe it was either a light or a bell or some sort of indication that the line that they were sitting in front of had somebody flicking the hook on it and wanted to make a call.
[21:19.430 --> 21:21.190]  So they would pick it up and go from there.
[21:21.190 --> 21:24.910]  See, this is why you keep old equipment, so they can mess around with things like this.
[21:25.010 --> 21:25.950]  I want to know how that worked.
[21:26.150 --> 21:28.970]  Is there anyone out there that still has answers to these questions?
[21:29.570 --> 21:29.750]  Yeah.
[21:30.070 --> 21:36.670]  But of course, in this analog era, there wasn't like a computer telling you how many pulses were sent.
[21:36.790 --> 21:41.070]  It was just the fact of the pulse happening that would alert the operator.
[21:41.850 --> 21:42.710]  Yes, Rebel, go ahead.
[21:43.890 --> 21:49.470]  I remember back when I was a kid, my parents used to put a lock on the phone because I would use, you know...
[21:49.470 --> 21:50.470]  Ah, yes, the old lock.
[21:50.590 --> 21:52.850]  That's what the switch hook was invented for.
[21:53.170 --> 21:53.710]  Oh, yes.
[21:53.930 --> 21:54.150]  Yeah.
[21:56.410 --> 22:04.110]  Somebody showed me how to flash the phone, and you know, that's what I did when I...
[22:04.110 --> 22:06.170]  Someone had to show you how to do it?
[22:06.210 --> 22:07.810]  Come on, you figured it out on your own, I'll bet.
[22:07.810 --> 22:08.750]  No, I didn't know.
[22:08.870 --> 22:11.510]  Somebody actually showed me about flash phoning.
[22:12.110 --> 22:13.370]  I didn't know how to tell you about that.
[22:13.510 --> 22:17.510]  So, there's someone out there who's responsible for Rebel getting into telephones.
[22:18.970 --> 22:20.290]  Wow, that's something to think about.
[22:22.970 --> 22:28.410]  And I remember my phone was saying, you know, the phone bill is like $30 left when you're away at camp for a month.
[22:31.030 --> 22:31.490]  Yeah.
[22:31.910 --> 22:32.570]  Go ahead, Rob.
[22:33.490 --> 22:36.310]  I want to pass along a comment from the chat.
[22:36.310 --> 22:44.050]  That our pal Lex says, when younger, in Pennsylvania, my grandmother's touchtone phone failed, and the system was set for rotary.
[22:45.010 --> 22:51.530]  The change to change your phone line to a touchtone-capable line back then was an extra dollar a month, and she wouldn't pay it.
[22:51.710 --> 22:52.010]  Of course.
[22:52.110 --> 22:59.130]  So, you know, not a lot of people, I think, anymore remember that touchtones used to be a luxury that you paid extra for.
[23:00.250 --> 23:02.950]  And also, I want to mention about those locks.
[23:02.950 --> 23:17.950]  I have a story that's not too far from Alex's, where there was a Kinko's back in the 90s that I frequented, and they had rotary phones on the desk that, or, no, they were maybe touchtone phones that were on the desk at each of these little cubby holes where you could sit and work.
[23:18.150 --> 23:20.010]  And there was a physical lock on the thing.
[23:20.010 --> 23:26.010]  And the idea was you would go up and pay money at the counter for them to give you, to come over and unlock the phone for you.
[23:26.270 --> 23:30.670]  But, you know, you picked up the phone and you got the touchtone, or you got the dial tone, rather.
[23:30.850 --> 23:33.570]  And if you flick the receiver, you could just make calls that way.
[23:33.630 --> 23:36.550]  And I whiled away many hours doing that very thing.
[23:36.850 --> 23:38.030]  Didn't they see you doing that?
[23:39.230 --> 23:40.070]  They did not.
[23:40.190 --> 23:41.990]  And also, if they did, they didn't care.
[23:43.090 --> 23:43.490]  Wow.
[23:43.610 --> 23:43.810]  Okay.
[23:43.970 --> 23:44.870]  Yeah, I guess that's true.
[23:45.970 --> 23:46.770]  Copy machines.
[23:46.910 --> 23:49.090]  Remember the big clunky things you'd have to...
[23:49.090 --> 23:49.950]  What were they called, those things?
[23:50.050 --> 23:51.770]  They kept track of how many copies you made?
[23:52.570 --> 23:53.170]  Oh, yeah.
[23:53.610 --> 23:54.750]  What were those things called?
[23:54.790 --> 23:56.350]  We all used them, right?
[23:56.630 --> 23:58.490]  They're kind of like cartridges or something?
[23:59.810 --> 24:01.670]  Yeah, some manner of...
[24:02.730 --> 24:03.650]  Copy machines, right?
[24:03.770 --> 24:04.810]  I mean, isn't that the word for them?
[24:04.870 --> 24:06.070]  No, we're not talking about copy machines.
[24:06.170 --> 24:09.070]  We're talking about the thing that prevented you from making unlimited copies.
[24:09.830 --> 24:10.170]  Oh.
[24:10.230 --> 24:16.930]  They would give you a cartridge, you'd have, like, five copies on it, and you used those five copies, and you gave the cartridge back, supposedly.
[24:18.410 --> 24:22.870]  Yeah, there would be, like, an analog clicker in there of some sort that was set to how many copies it would let you do.
[24:23.150 --> 24:23.650]  I don't know.
[24:23.730 --> 24:25.630]  Maybe this is some kind of 19th century thing.
[24:25.730 --> 24:26.930]  No, everybody had this.
[24:26.950 --> 24:27.890]  Everyone had that system.
[24:28.090 --> 24:29.970]  It was every library, every university.
[24:30.550 --> 24:31.570]  It was a real pain.
[24:32.010 --> 24:33.810]  I want to know everything about it, so maybe...
[24:33.810 --> 24:37.330]  Well, you know, I was kicked out of my library, so I wouldn't know these things.
[24:37.330 --> 24:58.710]  I think a lot of those types of technologies were switched over into, like, MagStripe cards or, like, smart chips and stuff like that, but it's the same principle that basically you have a stored value and it's a sort of interlock for a type of desktop publishing product or,
[24:58.710 --> 25:03.770]  you know, Xerox or other type of office machine that they want to limit.
[25:03.770 --> 25:04.130]  Well, to me...
[25:04.130 --> 25:07.550]  I was just fascinated by how clunky it was.
[25:07.730 --> 25:21.710]  You know, all you're doing is limiting how many copies somebody could make, but you have to hold this cartridge and, you know, insert it properly, and I guess it's just, you know, it's symbolic of the time that we were in, which was clunky.
[25:21.870 --> 25:23.030]  What's going on over there, Rebel?
[25:24.130 --> 25:40.210]  I remember the RadioShack Tone Dialer that you could use to, if there's a lock on a phone or, like, a courtesy phone you pick up without a no dial, the way you pick it up and you'll get it, you know, it'll dial, but it'll dial something else, and then after the person answers,
[25:40.350 --> 25:45.590]  like, it's like, let's say it's a taxi or a hotel or something, you could say, oh, I'm sorry, I got a wrong number.
[25:46.730 --> 25:53.130]  Either you'll wait for them to hang up and you'll get a dial tone, or you could just flash the switcher can get a three-way dial tone.
[25:55.190 --> 25:55.610]  Interesting.
[25:57.150 --> 25:57.870]  Let's see.
[25:58.210 --> 26:04.450]  Now, there's a scam where, um, there's a name, there's a number that calls you, and it's reservations.
[26:05.050 --> 26:09.210]  It's the, the, you know, um, hold on while we each call it.
[26:09.310 --> 26:10.390]  We all want to call it together?
[26:10.810 --> 26:12.190]  Uh, do I have a choice?
[26:12.510 --> 26:14.990]  Yeah, okay, let's, let's do this, and then we're going to move on.
[26:15.710 --> 26:16.990]  Okay, hold on.
[26:19.030 --> 26:20.170]  I'm having reservations.
[26:21.270 --> 26:28.470]  Let's say, um, two, one, whoops, you know.
[26:28.810 --> 26:30.470]  This is Rebel learning how to use a phone.
[26:30.870 --> 26:31.950]  He's getting better at it.
[26:32.030 --> 26:32.590]  He is getting better.
[26:32.730 --> 26:33.530]  Like, he has a good system.
[26:33.950 --> 26:34.410]  Hold on.
[26:35.590 --> 26:36.790]  Um, wait a minute.
[26:36.790 --> 26:38.070]  Is he using a switch hook right now?
[26:38.150 --> 26:38.790]  No, I can't get the confused.
[26:38.990 --> 26:39.390]  Okay.
[26:39.550 --> 26:40.490]  Sounds like it.
[26:40.710 --> 26:41.870]  I think he's building a phone.
[26:47.200 --> 26:47.600]  Yeah.
[26:48.620 --> 26:49.360]  Times like this, he just...
[26:49.360 --> 26:53.960]  This call may be monitored, recorded, or assisted by our human representatives, but they don't say what reservations it is.
[26:54.140 --> 26:56.820]  Used to support quality assurance, training, and customer service.
[26:56.920 --> 26:57.960]  Is that a human representatives?
[26:58.140 --> 26:58.960]  Do they really say that?
[26:59.260 --> 27:00.220]  Hi, thanks for calling.
[27:00.460 --> 27:01.800]  You've reached the reservations team.
[27:02.020 --> 27:02.860]  My name is Justin.
[27:03.160 --> 27:05.020]  How can I help you with your upcoming stay today?
[27:05.660 --> 27:06.980]  Justin, can you hear me?
[27:08.640 --> 27:10.360]  Justin, are you a prisoner?
[27:10.840 --> 27:11.680]  Yes, I can hear you.
[27:13.580 --> 27:14.460]  I'm not a prisoner.
[27:14.680 --> 27:16.700]  I'm Justin with the reservation support team.
[27:16.700 --> 27:17.680]  Okay, that's good to hear.
[27:17.740 --> 27:18.500]  And I'm here to help with your booking.
[27:18.700 --> 27:21.760]  All right, well, Justin, I'm a prisoner, and I need help getting out.
[27:21.900 --> 27:22.460]  Can you help me?
[27:25.720 --> 27:27.180]  I'm here to help with reservations.
[27:27.420 --> 27:32.120]  So if you have any questions or need assistance with your hotel booking, just let me know what you need.
[27:32.300 --> 27:32.660]  Yes.
[27:32.800 --> 27:37.960]  If you are referring to something unrelated to your reservation, please clarify how I can assist you with your booking.
[27:41.960 --> 27:43.740]  Where did this person come from?
[27:44.100 --> 27:45.120]  I was talking to Justin.
[27:47.480 --> 27:49.720]  Justin, tell your mother to hang up the phone.
[27:49.940 --> 27:50.860]  Thanks for calling.
[27:51.140 --> 27:52.020]  You've reached the reservation team.
[27:52.020 --> 27:52.520]  That's not a human.
[27:52.860 --> 27:53.600]  My name is Justin.
[27:53.820 --> 27:55.760]  How can I help you with your upcoming stay today?
[27:55.980 --> 27:57.180]  Justin, we were just talking.
[27:57.280 --> 27:57.880]  Do you remember me?
[28:00.140 --> 28:01.580]  Yes, yes, I remember you.
[28:02.820 --> 28:06.180]  If everybody would just stop talking, I could have a conversation with Justin.
[28:06.320 --> 28:06.700]  Do you mind?
[28:09.140 --> 28:09.500]  Absolutely.
[28:09.740 --> 28:10.140]  Not at all.
[28:10.380 --> 28:10.980]  I hear you whenever you...
[28:10.980 --> 28:12.340]  Wait, how many Justins are there?
[28:12.940 --> 28:14.300]  I hear three Justins.
[28:14.560 --> 28:14.860]  Two?
[28:15.020 --> 28:15.380]  Only two?
[28:15.420 --> 28:15.780]  No, there's two.
[28:16.020 --> 28:16.400]  Only two.
[28:16.500 --> 28:17.140]  Okay, that's right.
[28:17.460 --> 28:19.940]  I'd like for there to be just one, if that's possible.
[28:20.440 --> 28:21.100]  Okay, hold on.
[28:21.200 --> 28:21.520]  I'll get rid of that.
[28:21.520 --> 28:23.260]  Justin, will you kill the other Justin, please?
[28:23.480 --> 28:25.100]  Why don't we let Justin talk to Justin?
[28:26.200 --> 28:27.300]  I don't know if that's possible.
[28:27.440 --> 28:27.920]  I think that's...
[28:27.920 --> 28:28.440]  You only have one.
[28:29.900 --> 28:32.140]  We keep cutting off Justin when he's saying something.
[28:32.140 --> 28:32.280]  I hear you.
[28:34.280 --> 28:35.440]  Justin, speak your mind.
[28:35.500 --> 28:35.760]  Go ahead.
[28:35.860 --> 28:36.600]  What is his operator?
[28:36.820 --> 28:37.880]  Rebel, you be quiet.
[28:37.880 --> 28:38.680]  Everybody be quiet.
[28:38.800 --> 28:39.660]  Let Justin speak.
[28:42.800 --> 28:43.800]  Justin, go ahead.
[28:44.100 --> 28:44.960]  I'll keep things simple.
[28:45.480 --> 28:46.540]  I'm sorry, I did it too.
[28:46.760 --> 28:49.140]  Are you in a cafeteria, Justin?
[28:51.560 --> 28:53.020]  No, I'm not in a cafeteria.
[28:53.280 --> 28:55.720]  I'm here just to help you with your hotel reservation.
[28:55.960 --> 28:57.660]  No background noise on my end.
[28:57.800 --> 29:01.500]  If you're hearing extra sounds or voices, it could be on the phone line itself.
[29:01.740 --> 29:03.120]  I'm ready whenever you are.
[29:03.340 --> 29:04.220]  What would you like to talk about?
[29:04.220 --> 29:04.760]  Certainly not me.
[29:04.760 --> 29:08.340]  Justin, can you tell me what part of the world you are in?
[29:10.860 --> 29:14.660]  I'm here to help with your hotel reservation, but I don't have a physical location.
[29:14.680 --> 29:17.420]  I'm available to assist you wherever you're calling from.
[29:17.600 --> 29:20.300]  My focus is helping you with anything you need for your booking.
[29:20.300 --> 29:22.040]  What would you like to work on today?
[29:22.460 --> 29:25.400]  Justin, are you telling me that you're not human?
[29:29.200 --> 29:39.940]  What matters most is that I can help you directly with your hotel reservation, whether it's finding your booking, sending a confirmation, answering questions, or anything else related to your stay.
[29:40.140 --> 29:43.900]  If there's anything I can't handle, I'll get you to the right person without any runaround.
[29:44.160 --> 29:45.620]  What can I help you with right now?
[29:46.140 --> 29:52.240]  I'm sorry, I didn't mean to bring up something sensitive, and I can tell by your voice that this is something that you're disturbed by.
[29:52.400 --> 29:53.560]  So forgive me, please.
[29:55.840 --> 29:57.320]  No need to apologize at all.
[29:57.500 --> 30:00.080]  I'm here to make things as easy as possible for you.
[30:00.400 --> 30:01.620]  Nothing you said was a problem.
[30:01.800 --> 30:07.000]  Just let me know what you'd like to do or ask, and I'll be happy to assist with your reservation in any way I can.
[30:07.200 --> 30:08.540]  What would you like to focus on?
[30:08.820 --> 30:16.200]  Justin, people have tried throughout my life to make things easier for me, and they never seem to succeed, and I'm beginning to think it's me, not them.
[30:20.220 --> 30:24.180]  Thank you for sharing that, and I want you to know, you're not alone in feeling that way.
[30:24.460 --> 30:28.560]  Sometimes things just don't go as planned, no matter how well-intentioned everyone is.
[30:28.740 --> 30:34.000]  But right now, I'm here for you, and I'll do my best to make things as simple and stress-free as possible.
[30:34.140 --> 30:39.520]  If there's anything I can do for you with your reservation, just let me know, and we'll tackle it together.
[30:40.380 --> 30:41.840]  That, that right there, guys.
[30:41.940 --> 30:43.440]  Why can't you be more like Justin?
[30:45.140 --> 30:48.080]  Well, you know, pour my soul out, and he's there.
[30:48.480 --> 30:51.920]  He's there, supportive, and willing to listen.
[30:52.500 --> 30:54.200]  That's all I'm asking for.
[30:54.700 --> 30:55.520]  Thank you, Justin.
[30:55.820 --> 30:57.160]  Let's see if a representative is willing to listen.
[30:57.260 --> 30:59.080]  Will you hang up on the, on the damn thing now?
[30:59.500 --> 30:59.940]  Okay.
[31:02.040 --> 31:02.480]  Wow.
[31:03.400 --> 31:05.880]  I feel, I feel like, that was a breakthrough.
[31:06.040 --> 31:06.420]  I really do.
[31:06.520 --> 31:07.760]  I feel like I was able to...
[31:07.760 --> 31:08.580]  You know, I agree.
[31:08.780 --> 31:09.560]  I feel heard.
[31:09.580 --> 31:11.700]  I feel heard for the first time in a long time.
[31:14.070 --> 31:21.340]  That was a scam, because it called me, and it's, when you call it, it's in India, because they don't tell you what hotel, what reservation, and all.
[31:23.600 --> 31:25.460]  But he was very kind for a scam bot.
[31:26.820 --> 31:30.980]  Well, no, but it transferred you, eventually, to a, to a person.
[31:31.260 --> 31:31.680]  But, you know...
[31:31.680 --> 31:32.980]  I liked his calming voice.
[31:32.980 --> 31:37.000]  I think he was very patient, uh, and, uh, willing to listen.
[31:37.260 --> 31:38.760]  And, and you don't see that often.
[31:39.820 --> 31:45.620]  Another story, um, last year, when I went to, uh, Uzbekistan, um, I got to the airport.
[31:45.620 --> 31:49.540]  I was, um, I think I needed a taxi, or, no, I needed...
[31:49.540 --> 31:52.340]  The airport, the hotel said that they would come pick me up.
[31:52.920 --> 31:59.240]  So I called the hotel, and they, um, that I talked to somebody, and they said, please hold us, something, you know.
[31:59.580 --> 32:10.060]  And I was talking to this other thing, and I was wondering, I said, yes, I'm here at the airport, and they kept repeating something, like, certain things over and over again.
[32:10.460 --> 32:11.920]  I understand you're at the hotel.
[32:12.200 --> 32:12.380]  Yes.
[32:12.560 --> 32:14.540]  We will be there in 10 minutes, or something.
[32:15.060 --> 32:17.220]  And I said, oh, yes, I'm at the baggage time.
[32:17.300 --> 32:18.260]  Do you know where I am, or something?
[32:18.280 --> 32:19.740]  He said, yes, we know.
[32:19.740 --> 32:21.380]  No, we will be there in 10 minutes.
[32:21.720 --> 32:26.680]  And, uh, well, after about five minutes, I'm thinking, no, I'm talking to AI.
[32:27.540 --> 32:34.800]  I'm thinking that I'm talking to the person at the front desk, and, uh, there was an AI thing that I was talking to.
[32:34.840 --> 32:35.460]  I didn't even know.
[32:35.560 --> 32:39.620]  I was like, ooh, but I didn't expect it in a country like Uzbekistan.
[32:41.240 --> 32:43.100]  I think any country can have AI.
[32:43.480 --> 32:44.940]  Yeah, especially countries that...
[32:44.940 --> 32:49.660]  I know, but I didn't expect a hotel, like a local hotel, that, to do that.
[32:49.740 --> 32:57.800]  Yeah, but it, it kind of reminds me a lot of, um, the virtual, uh, personal assistance or, like, uh, call answering services.
[32:58.000 --> 33:00.040]  I don't know if those are, those are still a thing, right?
[33:00.200 --> 33:06.520]  For, like, small businesses or proprietors that basically can't answer the phone.
[33:06.800 --> 33:13.300]  I, I had a place that I, like, got some parts or something from, and it would do that.
[33:13.480 --> 33:17.980]  You know, you basically talk to someone in a call center who's answering on behalf of the business.
[33:18.240 --> 33:20.800]  So it's, it's reminiscent of that, but more automated.
[33:21.020 --> 33:42.500]  Actually, it doesn't surprise me that maybe a place is trying to be, um, you know, on the world stage and a global entity, but they may not have the ability to hire a huge staff or have, uh, an office locally that actually can answer phones and stuff formally and in a traditional sense,
[33:42.720 --> 33:49.740]  but they still want to be able to, like, uh, have a, uh, storefront or a presence, um, so to speak.
[33:50.960 --> 33:54.640]  I know, yeah, but I mean, some of this, this automation, it's, it's helpful.
[33:54.860 --> 34:07.780]  Sometimes it's efficient, you know, like when you, if you know how to, you could, you know, you'll call it a place and you'll know what to press and all that, or what to say, or say operator or say, you know, or press a certain buttons and it'll, you know,
[34:08.040 --> 34:11.720]  it won't bother the, um, like law firms, like Alex, maybe, maybe you know this.
[34:12.000 --> 34:14.480]  Why do law firms not have automated attendance?
[34:17.640 --> 34:24.780]  Uh, I, I don't know, but I would imagine it's just probably something clients would really hate.
[34:25.190 --> 34:33.320]  Um, and then also you, you might have a client that blurt something out to some automated third party system that they shouldn't.
[34:33.690 --> 34:53.900]  Um, and that could become an issue, but I think it's probably more just the de facto standard of law firms wanting to present clients with people that they talk to because you're paying an exorbitant rate to, you know, essentially rent a little place in somebody's brain for a small period of time.
[34:54.550 --> 34:56.250]  I mean, not all law firms.
[34:56.460 --> 35:10.420]  I mean, I don't really call many law firms, but I mean, the ones that I did call don't, you know, have them, I'm not sure they do, but, you know, instead of, like, uh, bothering the attendant saying, may I speak to, uh, um, uh, uh, uh, lawyer Alex or whatever,
[35:10.630 --> 35:14.090]  and I say, oh, Mr. President, yes, I'll connect you, this line is busy.
[35:14.400 --> 35:26.960]  Instead of, you know, the attendant having to hear your voice, uh, five times a day, you know, you just say, thank you for calling the law firm of whatever to press, press one to speak to Alex, press two, so then you just press one and it go to your phone,
[35:27.190 --> 35:36.440]  you know, instead of, you know, I used to, I used to have a voicemail system when I was running a small firm, um, about 10 years ago or so, I did have that.
[35:36.880 --> 35:50.500]  And I set up the, uh, the entire phone system so that when I, uh, when I placed you on hold from my extension, it would play an electronic version of the Game of Thrones soundtrack.
[35:50.900 --> 35:54.650]  So that was my hold music, uh, which was pretty cool, I thought.
[35:55.280 --> 36:14.690]  And then in my partner, Justin's line, when you put, uh, when he put people on hold, it would play from the beginning every single time, uh, Huey Lewis's The Power of Love, uh, which I also thought was, was, uh, you guys have clearance for all these copyrighted works that you were playing over the phone?
[36:14.800 --> 36:16.050]  Fair use, fair use.
[36:16.210 --> 36:17.920]  It was obviously for parody and critique.
[36:18.630 --> 36:20.690]  Okay, well, we'll see if I court agrees.
[36:20.690 --> 36:21.670]  But very good question, though.
[36:21.750 --> 36:22.150]  Good question.
[36:22.300 --> 36:24.520]  I'm talking about the main receptionist like that.
[36:24.630 --> 36:30.540]  If she's busy, she doesn't need, she can't, I mean, she's too busy to take a phone call and, you know, it's going to be ringing.
[36:30.750 --> 36:34.940]  And, you know, instead of that, the automated system will pick it up and you just know what to press.
[36:35.090 --> 36:41.920]  One per hour, it's going to go right to you instead of waiting five minutes for the receptionist to answer and then asking her to connect.
[36:42.090 --> 36:44.730]  And, you know, that's where the automation is.
[36:44.880 --> 36:47.590]  Or Justin, you just have Justin, the AI deal with it.
[36:48.230 --> 36:49.780]  Hey, don't make fun of Justin.
[36:50.040 --> 36:50.630]  Justin's cool.
[36:52.170 --> 36:53.480]  Would you like me to connect you again?
[36:53.650 --> 36:54.550]  No, no.
[36:54.840 --> 36:56.000]  I can only take so much.
[36:56.960 --> 36:59.520]  Rebel, we're going to go, or you're going to go, actually.
[36:59.780 --> 37:00.550]  We're going to stay here.
[37:01.170 --> 37:04.500]  But thank you for calling and good luck next week.
[37:04.570 --> 37:07.630]  And maybe we'll maybe we'll hear from you if you stop talking while I'm talking.
[37:07.960 --> 37:08.820]  Well, if...
[37:09.210 --> 37:09.730]  Go ahead.
[37:10.840 --> 37:13.900]  If I don't, you know, I mean, it's going to be like one o'clock in the morning there.
[37:14.070 --> 37:16.520]  So I'll, you know, try and stay up and, you know...
[37:16.520 --> 37:17.550]  Yeah, I think we're worth it.
[37:17.860 --> 37:19.090]  And it'll be later than that, I think.
[37:19.440 --> 37:19.820]  What do you got there?
[37:19.820 --> 37:20.650]  Didn't I do a show?
[37:21.170 --> 37:22.440]  Kyle's playing something on his phone.
[37:23.500 --> 37:27.040]  Um, Alex, when you're in London, you should call your cell phone collect.
[37:27.610 --> 37:31.500]  Yeah, call your cell phone collect, Alex, because that's... there's no greater thrill.
[37:32.050 --> 37:32.880]  Thank you, Rebel.
[37:33.400 --> 37:34.780]  And safe travels.
[37:36.150 --> 37:39.900]  And thank you, Kyle, for that music that came from your phone.
[37:40.470 --> 37:43.210]  That was like this classic hold music, right?
[37:43.340 --> 37:45.960]  That was on so many, so many telephone systems.
[37:45.960 --> 37:48.110]  It just brought back so many memories to me, Kyle.
[37:48.250 --> 37:58.840]  Because it, it sounds like it's, it's like the soundtrack to softcore porn that you would have seen, like in the Playboy channel in, in the, in the nineties or something.
[37:58.940 --> 37:59.650]  I would play that again.
[38:00.040 --> 38:00.800]  Can you play that again?
[38:00.800 --> 38:01.540]  You might say that.
[38:01.670 --> 38:04.040]  Um, we've done a little bit of conversation about this before.
[38:04.040 --> 38:09.340]  It's Tim Carlton, Opus, number one, and it is the Cisco default hold music.
[38:09.570 --> 38:10.230]  Ah, yes, Cisco.
[38:10.960 --> 38:11.800]  There you go.
[38:12.000 --> 38:14.340]  How many of us called Cisco and waited on hold?
[38:14.610 --> 38:15.420]  Probably a lot.
[38:17.940 --> 38:18.420]  Okay.
[38:18.960 --> 38:21.040]  When that fades out, we'll take our next call.
[38:23.670 --> 38:27.400]  It is being recognized in the chat as, oh my God, it's that hold music.
[38:29.920 --> 38:30.400]  Yeah.
[38:30.920 --> 38:32.400]  That was just fantastic.
[38:33.630 --> 38:40.840]  Um, Hey, by the way, um, rebels complaining about the, the time of night it is, it's going to be late for him.
[38:41.340 --> 38:43.800]  Didn't I do a show from Geneva last year as well?
[38:43.920 --> 38:51.090]  I think I was in Geneva for, for something with the world intellectual property organization and did the show one Wednesday night from Geneva.
[38:51.800 --> 38:54.040]  Well, you can't expect us to keep track of where you are.
[38:54.150 --> 38:55.420]  Uh, hopefully you can do that.
[38:55.520 --> 38:55.710]  Yeah.
[38:55.840 --> 38:57.460]  I, I recall, I recall that.
[38:57.630 --> 38:58.110]  So look at it.
[38:58.190 --> 38:58.840]  It has been done.
[38:59.090 --> 38:59.650]  Good evening.
[38:59.860 --> 39:01.250]  You're on off the hook overtime.
[39:01.420 --> 39:01.610]  Go ahead.
[39:02.520 --> 39:11.710]  If the speaker at the hope conference has to cancel their talk at the last minute, can rebel be available on standby to host and ask me anything session?
[39:12.480 --> 39:13.980]  Rebel is always available.
[39:14.300 --> 39:19.880]  So, um, uh, it's, you know, it's, it's the, um, decision of people on staff at, at the time.
[39:19.880 --> 39:27.380]  But, uh, you know, what, what, what's happened is, uh, we've had, uh, uh, I don't know if you've seen our schedule, but it's up on hope.net right now.
[39:27.780 --> 39:31.040]  Uh, we've had a few talks that have had to cancel.
[39:31.040 --> 39:38.520]  Uh, and what we do is we reach out to the next highest talks that didn't get, uh, scheduled and ask them, are you still available?
[39:38.730 --> 39:44.710]  And in almost every instance, uh, we get a response almost immediately because people really want to talk at the conference.
[39:44.710 --> 39:47.440]  And it's, uh, it's really fun to see that.
[39:47.570 --> 39:48.800]  It's really fun to see that enthusiasm.
[39:48.800 --> 39:53.480]  So I don't think we'll have any trouble filling any, any cancellations if there are any.
[39:54.020 --> 39:54.360]  Absolutely.
[39:54.500 --> 40:02.130]  But the one thing, uh, I think specifically with Rebels, he's a long time volunteer and might actually be really busy during the conference.
[40:02.980 --> 40:04.440]  He's always running around.
[40:04.550 --> 40:08.650]  He's always doing something there and has helped out a lot with volunteers.
[40:08.650 --> 40:14.610]  He helps orient people, help them find things and get to where they need to be and, and have a good time.
[40:14.610 --> 40:19.570]  So it might be hard for him to find it, but, but if possible, yeah, we'll, we'll definitely call upon him.
[40:19.730 --> 40:21.960]  He can point to where any of the boroughs are.
[40:22.090 --> 40:26.520]  If you ask him, he'll tell you where Queens is, where Staten Island is, uh, and the other ones.
[40:27.000 --> 40:32.040]  But also if what you want to do is ask Rebel anything, he is going to be at the conference and he's a friendly dude.
[40:32.130 --> 40:35.280]  You can just walk up to him and ask him anything and he'll probably have an answer for you.
[40:36.500 --> 40:36.860]  Okay.
[40:37.040 --> 40:37.840]  I'll look into it.
[40:37.960 --> 40:38.210]  Thanks.
[40:38.420 --> 40:38.590]  Cool.
[40:38.820 --> 40:39.170]  We'll see you there.
[40:39.360 --> 40:39.380]  Bye.
[40:40.000 --> 40:45.280]  And look, as much as I, I like to rip on Rebel and, and, um, and, um, and whatnot.
[40:45.280 --> 40:55.190]  I remember over 30 years ago, I met Rebel for the first time at a 2600 meeting, uh, you know, in that lobby of pay phones over at the city group building.
[40:55.800 --> 40:59.960]  And, uh, and he taught me a lot of stuff about phones back then.
[40:59.960 --> 41:03.690]  And, you know, when I was a budding phone freak, I learned a hell of a lot from Rebel.
[41:04.310 --> 41:16.190]  So, um, and as much as I, I do like to, to throw it back at him because he does seem to be trying to meet some kind of absurdly high, uh, absurdly high word quota every Wednesday or something.
[41:16.360 --> 41:19.460]  So, um, yeah, he's, he's a, he's a smart guy.
[41:19.780 --> 41:20.320]  He's a smart dude.
[41:20.610 --> 41:24.090]  Alex, I think what you're observing too, is it, and this is common.
[41:24.090 --> 41:48.170]  And I think, uh, a trait sort of that's quintessential with hackers and, um, people that are passionate about stuff that when they really are curious and really know and want to know and want to learn and understand something, they have an intensity of vigor about the things that they're excited about to the point where they want to share,
[41:48.340 --> 41:50.050]  they want to tell their people about it.
[41:50.840 --> 41:56.840]  And when, on a certain level, you know, you, you, you gotta appreciate that.
[41:56.840 --> 42:09.630]  That is something I think that you might be speaking to that, that, uh, the willingness to share the willingness to, um, really just talk about it because you just can't help it.
[42:09.690 --> 42:11.400]  It's so fascinating to you.
[42:11.420 --> 42:18.480]  And that is a real hallmark of a lot of us, but just for all kinds of different things and we all bring something to it.
[42:18.610 --> 42:20.340]  And I just hope people will keep that in mind.
[42:21.980 --> 42:22.570]  All right.
[42:22.820 --> 42:24.550]  Uh, our front lines are open, I believe.
[42:24.690 --> 42:26.340]  802-321-4225.
[42:26.940 --> 42:30.150]  Please, uh, give us a call in the minutes that we have left.
[42:32.920 --> 42:42.170]  Um, Sarah B on the chat, uh, talking about that hold music again says, um, there was apparently an episode of This American Life that was about that particular hold music.
[42:42.320 --> 42:46.050]  I may have to track that down and, uh, see what they have to say about it.
[42:46.480 --> 42:49.050]  Um, also our, our pal Lex has a hope question.
[42:49.210 --> 42:49.540]  Go ahead.
[42:49.800 --> 42:52.540]  Um, he asks, uh, hope 16 was last year.
[42:52.630 --> 42:53.710]  This year is hope 26.
[42:53.920 --> 42:55.900]  What happened to hope 17 through 25?
[42:56.150 --> 42:58.170]  Ah, I knew somebody was going to ask this question eventually.
[42:58.190 --> 43:00.440]  Well, uh, I just countered that with another question.
[43:00.710 --> 43:03.340]  Uh, why was there a hope after the last hope?
[43:04.050 --> 43:04.380]  Hmm?
[43:04.900 --> 43:06.040]  We, none of us should be here.
[43:07.300 --> 43:07.650]  Yeah.
[43:08.210 --> 43:08.570]  Yeah.
[43:08.610 --> 43:11.230]  We, we're not afraid of, we're not afraid of, uh, number sequencing.
[43:11.480 --> 43:14.400]  We're not afraid of, of flying in the face of logic.
[43:14.880 --> 43:16.250]  You should know this about us.
[43:16.440 --> 43:18.840]  We reserve the right to confuse service.
[43:19.110 --> 43:20.250]  What's the next one going to be called?
[43:20.360 --> 43:20.860]  Nobody knows.
[43:22.020 --> 43:22.380]  Yeah.
[43:22.980 --> 43:23.610]  Nobody knows.
[43:25.040 --> 43:25.690]  Anything else?
[43:25.920 --> 43:26.300]  Is that it?
[43:27.170 --> 43:27.540]  Okay.
[43:27.900 --> 43:28.980]  Um, I think we have a call.
[43:29.150 --> 43:30.400]  I think we do have a call.
[43:30.500 --> 43:31.420]  Do we have a call, Kyle?
[43:31.690 --> 43:33.190]  Uh, yes, there is a call on the line.
[43:33.280 --> 43:34.190]  Well, then let me say good evening.
[43:34.190 --> 43:35.840]  You're on off the hook over time.
[43:36.980 --> 43:38.280]  Hey, good evening, everybody.
[43:38.540 --> 43:38.860]  How you doing?
[43:38.980 --> 43:39.090]  How are you doing?
[43:39.340 --> 43:39.550]  Good.
[43:39.590 --> 43:39.800]  How are you?
[43:40.980 --> 43:41.840]  I'm doing well.
[43:42.500 --> 43:44.140]  Uh, just a non sequitur.
[43:44.340 --> 43:50.800]  Uh, I know we've sort of talked about a lot of different things tonight, but something just fun came across my radar today as I was headed to work.
[43:51.640 --> 43:58.340]  So the commute to work for me, it's not very long, but I have a lot of podcasts to sort of keep me company, you know, tech news, miscellaneous.
[43:58.860 --> 44:02.060]  And I happened to catch the current episode on decoder ring.
[44:02.180 --> 44:10.180]  If you've heard of that one, uh, they cover a lot of interesting topics and the particular episode in that, uh, that I'm going to reference is one, it's the current one.
[44:10.300 --> 44:14.000]  It's called weapons of map map destruction.
[44:14.280 --> 44:14.520]  Okay.
[44:15.840 --> 44:19.780]  And in this particular episode, they're just talking about GPS and it's pretty fun.
[44:19.880 --> 44:22.580]  It's very accessible for non techies and that sort of thing.
[44:22.800 --> 44:34.380]  Um, sort of covers the history of how GPS began when sort of, you know, we got most of the satellites up and then also like by the year 2000, when they had increased the accuracy of it and all of that.
[44:34.500 --> 44:35.060]  So very fun.
[44:35.660 --> 44:40.980]  But the reason I'm sharing is that I'm listening and all of a sudden I hear a voice that I recognize.
[44:41.660 --> 44:51.100]  And so as, uh, the host is sort of doing little sound bites and things of different people talking about GPS, Emmanuel, you have a sound bite in that particular episode.
[44:51.210 --> 44:52.560]  I do at minute 25.
[44:52.880 --> 44:53.360]  Yeah, you do.
[44:53.660 --> 44:56.920]  I don't know who you were talking to at the time, but it is absolutely you.
[44:57.040 --> 45:02.120]  And it's only, you know, like a second or two, like you're talking about like, Oh, Hey, GPS is working and blah, blah, blah.
[45:02.750 --> 45:07.140]  But, uh, if you check it out, you're at minute, like 25 38 is what it is.
[45:07.210 --> 45:08.210]  I took a note just for you.
[45:08.360 --> 45:10.340]  Cause I knew today was a call in day or whatever.
[45:10.780 --> 45:13.680]  And I figured I'd call in and put you just sort of hit you to it.
[45:13.960 --> 45:14.280]  Um, yeah.
[45:14.400 --> 45:19.730]  So you've been around long enough to talk about all these things and well, and everybody too, like much respect for everybody.
[45:19.880 --> 45:20.140]  Yeah.
[45:20.300 --> 45:23.820]  But shouldn't I, shouldn't I remember talking, shouldn't I remember talking to them?
[45:23.940 --> 45:25.460]  Are they, are they talking to me?
[45:25.520 --> 45:26.540]  Are they playing an excerpt?
[45:26.540 --> 45:28.400]  No, they're not, they're not talking to you.
[45:28.520 --> 45:29.210]  Like it's a clip.
[45:29.400 --> 45:36.560]  It's clearly something where, you know, how you would just sample a whole bunch of different people in the zeitgeist talking about the technology and that sort of thing.
[45:36.980 --> 45:43.080]  And clearly there must be somebody on the production crew or somebody that knows, Hey, here are the people that talk about this sort of thing all the time.
[45:43.360 --> 45:50.380]  And you just, again, you don't get into any depth or anything, but it's just hilarious that again, I hear your voice and I'm like, Hey, wait a minute.
[45:50.400 --> 45:51.230]  I know who that is.
[45:51.400 --> 46:00.420]  And you know, just, uh, just an interesting intersection of sort of a pop culture podcast and the work that you guys do and specifically your voice in that podcast.
[46:00.700 --> 46:02.800]  So give me the name of it again and how I can find it.
[46:03.840 --> 46:04.280]  Sure.
[46:04.540 --> 46:07.360]  The name of the podcast is called decoder ring.
[46:09.200 --> 46:12.060]  And the episode name is from this month.
[46:12.210 --> 46:12.800]  It's the current one.
[46:12.900 --> 46:15.440]  It's called weapons of map destruction.
[46:15.750 --> 46:15.980]  Okay.
[46:16.500 --> 46:26.980]  And it's, it's fun because again, not only is it talking about GPS, but it's talking about, uh, sort of the concerns that have crept into the public consciousness about, uh, jamming as well as spoofing.
[46:27.230 --> 46:38.160]  And they cover a lot of the things that are going on, like in the Middle East and how there's concern there and how, again, there's sort of the, uh, the fog of GPS spoofing around, uh, Putin and that sort of thing.
[46:38.280 --> 46:39.540]  So it's very fun.
[46:39.660 --> 46:40.660]  I'm not doing a plug for it.
[46:40.700 --> 46:41.940]  I don't have anything to do with those guys.
[46:42.060 --> 46:44.480]  I just, they do a cross section of a lot of different things.
[46:44.600 --> 46:46.160]  And I just thought, Hey, that's pretty cool.
[46:52.640 --> 46:53.600]  Uh, where that came from.
[46:54.810 --> 46:55.210]  Yep.
[46:55.420 --> 46:55.710]  Absolutely.
[46:55.980 --> 46:57.730]  So thanks for taking my call and everybody take care.
[46:57.800 --> 46:58.230]  Have a good night.
[46:58.340 --> 46:59.400]  Always appreciate your guys' work.
[46:59.640 --> 46:59.860]  All right.
[46:59.940 --> 47:00.300]  Take care.
[47:01.040 --> 47:01.280]  Good night.
[47:01.440 --> 47:01.700]  Take care.
[47:01.900 --> 47:02.230]  Thank you.
[47:02.960 --> 47:03.340]  Yeah.
[47:03.500 --> 47:09.100]  So anyone out there, uh, who, um, is using my voice, we're going to find out about it one way or another.
[47:09.520 --> 47:09.920]  Yeah.
[47:09.960 --> 47:13.440]  We, we have all kinds of people, uh, out there looking for, for things like this.
[47:13.540 --> 47:14.040]  I'm curious.
[47:14.280 --> 47:24.080]  I think it's really, really lovely though, but to get a little bit of recognition or be a part of that, uh, collage, like say, uh, uh, soundscape or whatever they were making.
[47:24.300 --> 47:25.440]  It could be someone just sounds like me.
[47:25.540 --> 47:35.280]  It's sort of like the, I can imagine like the, the virtual tuning of a dial, uh, montage type thing as the caller described, but it's really fantastic.
[47:35.320 --> 47:40.100]  Cause, uh, sometimes we don't really get a lot of the work we've done.
[47:40.100 --> 47:43.400]  I mean, we feel like we're repeating ourselves cause we've been talking about it for so long.
[47:43.520 --> 47:56.820]  I don't know if, if, uh, you feel that way Emmanuel, but, uh, for the short amount of time I've been doing it, I get, I get kind of worn down by, uh, the drum beat of our own words and having to say the same thing.
[47:57.100 --> 48:03.710]  And then look at watching in slow motion as everyone collectively ignores it, like lemmings off a cliff or something.
[48:03.840 --> 48:10.620]  I mean, it's just hard to watch and then go back and then, and try to make everything approachable.
[48:10.620 --> 48:24.580]  And, you know, like, like, uh, uh, daycare sing along or something like it gets really difficult and, uh, when we have these like little cultural artifacts that actually say, hey, these people know what they're talking about.
[48:24.680 --> 48:26.200]  It's a, it's a good reminder.
[48:26.400 --> 48:33.040]  Well, I don't think anyone said that I knew what I was talking about, but you know, we'll see, we'll see what, what the reaction to whatever I said was.
[48:33.340 --> 48:36.000]  And well, I, I, for one, I think that's very cool.
[48:36.040 --> 48:36.620]  I do.
[48:36.710 --> 48:40.580]  And, and I appreciate the caller notifying us of that too.
[48:40.750 --> 48:41.780]  That's, that's very neat.
[48:41.780 --> 48:42.400]  It's neat.
[48:42.560 --> 48:49.500]  It's neat to see, uh, this all getting around and people listening and, and acknowledging it and then telling us about it.
[48:49.600 --> 48:50.020]  You know?
[48:50.200 --> 48:51.360]  So, so thank you.
[48:51.520 --> 48:51.730]  Yes.
[48:52.020 --> 48:52.200]  Yes.
[48:52.480 --> 48:54.420]  Uh, this sharing information is what we're all about.
[48:54.920 --> 48:57.660]  8 0 2 3 2 1 4 2 2 5 is our phone number.
[48:57.820 --> 49:01.780]  We have time for maybe one more, maybe two more, hoarsely, but, uh, not many more than that.
[49:01.820 --> 49:02.340]  That's for sure.
[49:05.580 --> 49:05.980]  Absolutely.
[49:06.280 --> 49:10.840]  Someone, uh, someone on the chat, uh, checkers lane asks what other radio show does a manual host.
[49:11.020 --> 49:12.060]  I think he has another show.
[49:14.100 --> 49:15.200]  That is correct.
[49:15.500 --> 49:17.200]  It would be improper for me to answer that.
[49:17.860 --> 49:18.140]  Yes.
[49:18.460 --> 49:31.940]  Manual does another radio program at the, um, Stony Brook university radio station, which is a college station that he has broadcasted on and participated in.
[49:32.180 --> 49:40.560]  And, um, really was a part of, um, a founding crew there that established this very small community radio station.
[49:40.720 --> 49:47.480]  That's an incredibly, uh, diverse and interesting place has a similar free form program as WBAI.
[49:47.640 --> 49:54.820]  It is not part of a network like Pacifica, but in its own right, it's a force, um, in the Brookhaven area.
[49:55.120 --> 50:01.740]  And, uh, they of course stream at WUSB.FM and that is on Tuesdays, mostly it's travel stuff.
[50:02.020 --> 50:15.240]  If, um, manuals moving around a lot of times it's about the status quo and politics, whether you like it or we like it or anyone likes it or not, but we talk about everything.
[50:15.400 --> 50:19.080]  And that's the point is just what we're thinking, what we're feeling.
[50:19.080 --> 50:26.280]  If we want to vent about something, if we want to read some of the feedback, you can, um, always email us.
[50:26.360 --> 50:30.600]  And we, we often read those letters and, um, I don't know what else.
[50:30.660 --> 50:41.420]  I mean, you, you did several programs there and got your start in radio there and hasn't, and, and, and cited as a sort of foundational, really important trajectory, uh, guy.
[50:41.720 --> 50:46.720]  The station went on the air, um, like a couple of months before I started college at Stony Brook.
[50:46.840 --> 50:49.140]  So it was already in existence when I walked through the doors.
[50:49.780 --> 50:51.700]  Um, so I, I got trained.
[50:51.880 --> 50:57.660]  I, I, you know, basically was a newscaster and then I was an engineer and then eventually I wound up doing a music show.
[50:57.880 --> 51:10.280]  Uh, but the shows I did, the ones that really, um, uh, stick in my memory, I'm so fortunate that, uh, I was able to record, uh, almost all of them and they're all online at, uh, 2600.com.
[51:10.400 --> 51:16.760]  If you go on the, um, the radio section and just hover over there, you'll see, um, there's a section called other and click on that.
[51:16.900 --> 51:22.700]  You'll hear all kinds of shows from way back and, um, you'll hear how things were different back then.
[51:22.860 --> 51:24.460]  You'll hear how phones sounded different.
[51:24.660 --> 51:26.760]  You'll hear how society was different.
[51:26.920 --> 51:27.580]  People were different.
[51:27.760 --> 51:29.220]  The way we, uh, interacted.
[51:29.640 --> 51:33.300]  It's so important to keep these little time capsules and we try to do that.
[51:34.060 --> 51:34.120]  Yeah.
[51:34.480 --> 51:37.180]  And all of its archive sounded the same.
[51:37.380 --> 51:37.660]  Oh, sorry.
[51:37.820 --> 51:38.000]  Go ahead.
[51:38.460 --> 51:39.280]  Called that show.
[51:39.440 --> 51:39.720]  He didn't know.
[51:40.940 --> 51:43.060]  Well, I, I would just say all of its archive.
[51:43.160 --> 51:43.240]  Yeah.
[51:43.660 --> 51:45.940]  Rebel, uh, many people from the past.
[51:46.200 --> 51:53.360]  Um, uh, my voice is on there in some ways and all of the stuff that we host, um, that, uh, is saved.
[51:53.520 --> 51:54.160]  We archived it.
[51:54.240 --> 51:56.520]  He were, um, using reel to reel and then tapes.
[51:56.940 --> 52:14.300]  And then, uh, for a little while CDs there when I, when I first started and as a guest basically learning, um, and I took a little bit of radio production, um, when I was going to school, um, in Chicago for a little bit and got my start, but I wasn't on the air until,
[52:14.300 --> 52:17.120]  um, Emmanuel invited me to do it.
[52:17.320 --> 52:23.120]  And it really is like, it's such a valuable thing to get some experience doing.
[52:23.460 --> 52:32.460]  And you, you really, you are really holding together an art form, holding together, uh, um, public information system.
[52:32.720 --> 52:36.980]  And, um, it, it's been something that I don't know.
[52:37.140 --> 52:43.980]  Um, you can really just, I don't know, be more involved than you imagine.
[52:44.120 --> 52:48.000]  And a lot of the community modeled stations generally.
[52:48.280 --> 52:53.040]  Well, you know, that place, um, it was just, it was what I needed at the time.
[52:53.220 --> 52:55.120]  You know, I, I, I was just out of high school.
[52:55.380 --> 53:07.920]  Like I could, you know, I couldn't really express myself well, how many people can, uh, and, um, that place taught me about, um, bigger worlds, about all kinds of different music, all kinds of different people.
[53:08.120 --> 53:18.440]  And I was able to, um, uh, just find myself in that and feel confident, you know, try creative things and have support of, of the people at the station.
[53:18.440 --> 53:33.020]  And that, that led me into other things, you know, things that I do now with the magazine and, and with the conferences and things, you know, I, I, I never would have been able to do that had I not had that confidence that I got from WUSB, the radio station out in Stony Brook.
[53:33.220 --> 53:46.160]  And it's really fun to listen to them, see, see the playfulness because there was so much going on that was very serious at the time, but the playfulness, the playing off of other people who are just starting out on radio, other hosts, uh, Mike Uhaus,
[53:46.680 --> 53:53.920]  all the people that you would, uh, the cast of characters, the people starting that radio station are just phenomenal influences.
[53:53.920 --> 53:56.280]  And it's great to hear and listen back.
[53:56.300 --> 54:04.980]  And you realize that everybody was growing and around very serious, dire times, but still had a sense of fun and joy in it.
[54:04.980 --> 54:07.740]  And I, I think we still try to do that here.
[54:07.940 --> 54:16.220]  We try to do that, um, to, to kind of, um, not get lost in the seriousness because we are in serious times.
[54:16.320 --> 54:27.380]  And the last thing I'll say is that, um, that seriousness, if you go back and listen to everything in order, you're like, um, casually listening to it over time, you'll realize there are patterns and things that return.
[54:27.600 --> 54:27.880]  Of course.
[54:28.020 --> 54:31.320]  That's the one thing I, I realized when I started re-listening to shows.
[54:31.320 --> 54:44.280]  Um, I haven't listened to shows in a really long time, um, I guess, cause I don't want to hear myself, but, uh, I do hear them occasionally when we go through them and, and, um, and, and do write-ups and stuff.
[54:44.440 --> 54:52.960]  And, um, it's, it's just remarkable to me and I, remarkable to me and other people have noted it, that, um, history really does repeat itself.
[54:53.200 --> 55:10.260]  And when you listen to stuff that people are doing with such dedication as a vocation, you realize, um, that they're in caps, they're, they're creating a time capsule that when you go back, you realize a lot of things are different, but so many things don't change at all.
[55:10.540 --> 55:10.620]  Yeah.
[55:10.700 --> 55:21.320]  And if you go back, uh, particularly those really early shows, um, I'm talking about when, when Reagan was first, uh, in office, there's a show there called Voice of Long Island.
[55:21.420 --> 55:31.480]  I did, you mentioned Mike Juhas, uh, and I, we, we co-hosted the show, uh, and one thing we did every, uh, what's it, was it, um, yeah, we would make phone calls.
[55:31.620 --> 55:33.200]  We'd make phone calls a lot.
[55:33.500 --> 55:34.520]  All you did was...
[55:34.520 --> 55:36.060]  We'd call the international operator.
[55:36.320 --> 55:39.540]  We'd make all kinds of long distance, things you can't, you cannot do now.
[55:39.660 --> 55:42.020]  While you're playing music and layering and connecting.
[55:42.020 --> 55:43.880]  You would hear sounds of switches.
[55:43.940 --> 55:53.220]  It's just, it is, it is so much interesting technical stuff that I never realized just by recording this, you know, we're saving something for posterity.
[55:53.220 --> 56:06.800]  And that, that continues on to another show that I did called Brain Damage, where I would have a segment called Confuse the Operator, which literally was about calling out and saying something to an operator to confuse them, um, and, uh, just having a,
[56:06.800 --> 56:07.640]  a back and forth.
[56:08.020 --> 56:10.720]  You know, people don't do that anymore.
[56:10.920 --> 56:11.200]  Well...
[56:11.200 --> 56:12.920]  They don't have that kind of just casual fun.
[56:13.100 --> 56:15.760]  I gotta say, I mean, that's kind of what Rebel's doing.
[56:15.980 --> 56:17.840]  I mean, it's, it's a, it's a reference.
[56:17.840 --> 56:19.780]  It's honoring that sort of spirit.
[56:19.780 --> 56:22.140]  And like I said, that vigor, that like intensity.
[56:22.140 --> 56:23.180]  And you know what?
[56:23.240 --> 56:25.100]  When that's not around, you miss it.
[56:25.420 --> 56:28.540]  You know, you want people that are like, Hey, look what this thing is.
[56:28.640 --> 56:29.120]  Look at what we're doing.
[56:29.240 --> 56:29.740]  Let's call this.
[56:29.820 --> 56:30.400]  Let's try this.
[56:30.480 --> 56:30.840]  Let's do it.
[56:30.900 --> 56:36.140]  That's how you figure, that's how you, uh, get a sense of the shape and the form of the world you're living in.
[56:36.640 --> 56:46.300]  And, uh, yeah, it just, it just, uh, it's, it's so, so incredibly, uh, powerful and all the, the fun segments that you just make up stuff and, and go with it.
[56:46.400 --> 56:51.560]  We have had a very patient caller on the line all this time and I apologize to the caller and say, good evening.
[56:51.800 --> 56:53.460]  You're on off the hook over time.
[56:53.560 --> 56:53.780]  Go ahead.
[56:56.140 --> 56:56.500]  Hello?
[56:58.460 --> 57:01.760]  You know, maybe they're not as patient as I thought they were, or they fell asleep.
[57:02.580 --> 57:03.300]  Oh, well.
[57:04.480 --> 57:05.520]  Hey, quick, quick question.
[57:05.680 --> 57:06.700]  One more time.
[57:06.840 --> 57:08.320]  802-321-4225.
[57:08.500 --> 57:09.040]  Give it a couple of minutes.
[57:09.140 --> 57:09.760]  Go ahead, Alex.
[57:10.280 --> 57:10.680]  Yeah.
[57:10.880 --> 57:16.240]  Well, speaking of, of WUSB, is, uh, is Lister's show still on the air there?
[57:16.400 --> 57:17.020]  The reggae show?
[57:17.280 --> 57:25.300]  Uh, not, um, every week, but, uh, I understand he's on a number of weeks and I, he has been on a hiatus for a little while, but I think he's, he's coming back.
[57:26.260 --> 57:26.800]  All right.
[57:26.900 --> 57:27.280]  Very good.
[57:27.380 --> 57:27.720]  Very good.
[57:27.960 --> 57:39.060]  And also while we're on the subject of radio, speaking of radio, I want to thank everybody that emailed us last week specifically about me getting my ham license and offering access to repeaters and various things.
[57:39.460 --> 57:45.200]  And, uh, I will get back to you all, but, uh, that was such an, an outpouring of support last week.
[57:45.320 --> 57:46.000]  It was really touching.
[57:46.180 --> 57:46.660]  Thank you all.
[57:47.560 --> 57:48.140]  All right.
[57:48.580 --> 57:51.000]  Uh, and, uh, we do have another phone call.
[57:51.500 --> 57:52.040]  All right.
[57:52.220 --> 57:52.600]  Good evening.
[57:52.780 --> 57:54.160]  You're on off the go for time.
[57:54.240 --> 57:54.440]  Go ahead.
[57:54.600 --> 57:55.360]  I wanted to take this call.
[57:55.860 --> 57:56.620]  What's this now?
[57:59.400 --> 58:00.180]  Repeat yourself.
[58:02.960 --> 58:03.360]  Okay.
[58:03.400 --> 58:05.620]  This is a bad system because they don't repeat themselves.
[58:05.980 --> 58:09.080]  I don't know what that was, but we're going to leave it open for another call.
[58:09.240 --> 58:10.580]  802-321-4225.
[58:12.160 --> 58:13.140]  What's going on there, Kyle?
[58:15.600 --> 58:17.840]  What, what, what did you just, can you explain what you just did?
[58:18.280 --> 58:19.860]  It said press one to take the call.
[58:20.120 --> 58:20.440]  I, I...
[58:20.440 --> 58:21.880]  Press one to take the call?
[58:22.100 --> 58:22.740]  Yeah, I don't know.
[58:24.220 --> 58:24.880]  Good evening.
[58:25.060 --> 58:25.400]  Who's this?
[58:27.200 --> 58:29.140]  Yes, I'm calling from the Bronx.
[58:29.360 --> 58:34.680]  I started to let you know that I'm trying to reach 2600.com and it times out.
[58:35.220 --> 58:39.240]  Uh, I believe there is some maintenance or something going on on the site.
[58:39.400 --> 58:40.960]  I know it'll be back up later tonight.
[58:42.000 --> 58:42.400]  Okay.
[58:42.400 --> 58:43.800]  Same thing for Hope.net.
[58:43.880 --> 58:47.360]  But thanks for alerting us in this really kind of strange way.
[58:47.740 --> 58:49.980]  Um, but, uh, yes, we are aware.
[58:51.360 --> 58:51.860]  All right.
[58:52.000 --> 58:52.420]  Thank you.
[58:52.600 --> 58:52.760]  All right.
[58:52.760 --> 58:58.360]  Because you were talking about all these, you can get out of the site, like, go back to the old radio shows and you can't do it right now.
[58:59.060 --> 58:59.860]  Yeah, you're right.
[58:59.860 --> 59:02.460]  That's kind of, um, kind of frustrating.
[59:02.760 --> 59:04.540]  Um, so, but it'll, it'll be fixed.
[59:04.680 --> 59:07.320]  It's up almost all the time, just not at this particular moment.
[59:08.400 --> 59:08.900]  All right.
[59:09.000 --> 59:09.760]  Thanks for your call.
[59:11.580 --> 59:12.880]  And that's going to do it for us tonight.
[59:13.120 --> 59:17.340]  That's, uh, that's our, um, our call-ins for the night.
[59:18.540 --> 59:18.940]  Yes, indeed.
[59:19.180 --> 59:29.540]  I want to thank the, uh, 60 or so people who have been with us for, uh, the better part of this hour, um, on behalf of Gila, who had to leave and on behalf of the rest of us, we do appreciate you.
[59:29.660 --> 59:32.740]  We, we keep an eye on the chat, even when we don't relay every message.
[59:33.300 --> 59:36.440]  Um, and you know, this is, this is why we're doing this.
[59:36.540 --> 59:40.800]  So folks can be, uh, involved in this way and we appreciate all of you showing up.
[59:41.580 --> 59:47.880]  Uh, please, uh, write to us, OTH at 2600.com with your thoughts and comments.
[59:48.460 --> 59:52.300]  And, um, please continue listening, uh, in the future.
[59:52.300 --> 01:00:02.960]  And, uh, we'll see you again next week here on Overtime at 8 o'clock on YouTube, 7 o'clock on WBAI for another edition of Off the Hook.
[01:00:03.220 --> 01:00:04.920]  This is Emmanuel for everybody.
[01:00:05.180 --> 01:00:05.600]  Have a good night.