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Hello everybody and welcome to Binary Revolution Radio. This is episode 6, 7, 8, 9, 6.
6, 6, 6. And the voice you hear, of course, is...
Intermute. In the house. In the house. In the house. That's like your slogan. It's like your trademark now.
In the house. I've invented so many symbols like...
Segway. Segway. I have nothing else to say.
I, of course, am StankDawg. In the house. In the house.
In the house. Very distinctive redneck country voice, I guess. So, um, I'm sure...
Report violation.
We have a lot of stuff to go through tonight. So, I think it's probably best if we just jump right in.
Um, and probably the best way to start off is by...
Well, first of all, let me put on the timer for the show. We've already missed a minute here because I didn't start my damn timer.
So, now I have to try to watch a minute early. So, that's your job. You have to remind me.
Even though I'm the one with the timer.
I'm okay. I have a mental note.
Okay. Um, anyway, we have been requesting show notes for the last couple episodes.
And, um, I gave some time to get all the, uh, submissions in.
And, I think we're ready to announce a winner.
And, we are going to...
First of all, we'd offered to give out an at binrev.com address.
We're going to give the person credit on the website, of course, for writing the notes.
And, when they write the notes for this episode, it will say,
Winner of Notes Announced. The winner is me.
And, they'll be able to put their name in there. That'll be kind of a little recursion joke there.
Um, actually, I had a frontrunner last week that I thought was going to end up winning the, winning the job.
And, someone submitted some good stuff this week.
And, I think we're ready to go with it.
So, for the people listening in, in IRC, um, uh, which I'm, I bet you this person is chilling in IRC if I know them.
Um, but, I wonder if I do a drum roll on the desk if it's going to blow the microphone all to hell.
Should I try it?
No, well, no. I'll give it.
The winner of the official show notes writer for BinRev Radio is our good friend, Hack and Slash.
Hack and Slash, congratulations.
Woo! The young kid strikes again.
Or, or should I say, this is your punishment that you're going to be writing show notes.
Woo! The young kid strikes again.
And, but, yes, very good stuff.
We will be putting those up ASAP, uh, putting them on the site.
Probably, when I put this, uh, episode up for download, I will probably go ahead and put his show notes up.
Um, which, obviously, I won't have them for this episode by then.
So, his show notes will be basically delayed by a week.
Um, and, I guess, the email address is going to be not a big thing because he already has one.
Um, so, we don't have to give him anything, right?
No, I think he's, uh, I think he's set.
I think he just gets punishment.
Yeah, okay.
Now, I'm sure we'll find something for him.
Um, also, a topic from last week.
I want to, whenever we have a topic that I hear new news on or an update or a change on, I want to bring it back up.
And, last week, we were talking about spam filters and whether laws or filters were going to work better, etc.
And, I think you and I both mentioned or both agreed that maybe it was coincidence or whatever that we weren't getting as much spam lately.
A lot of it seemed to be being filtered out.
Especially with my web, web accounts, you know.
Well, I guess we spoke too soon.
Now, I don't know about you, but I, I got a lot more mail this past week.
A lot more spam, a lot more junk mail this past week.
Spammers are listening.
I, I guess so.
I guess so.
But, um, but the funny thing is, again, these, these spam filters, they're trying to figure out what spam, what is spam and what isn't spam.
And, I got the, just the damnedest thing, just the weirdest, I got an email in my inbox, and I'm referring to my Hotmail account.
I got an email in my inbox with a title, um, well, I, actually, I got two emails.
One of them was filtered, one of them was not filtered.
They were identical emails other than the subject line.
The content of the emails were exactly the same, but the content was different.
I got, uh, something in my inbox that says,
girls who squirt when they are excited got right into my inbox, no problem, I was sitting there with all my normal mail.
But for some strange reason, girls who cream when they're excited got blocked by the spam filter.
So, what is, what's the message there?
I mean, if the spammers are listening, I guess, use the word squirt, and you will get by, but if you use the word cream, you get blocked?
I think it's more of a, um, if, if this word, if this word, if this word, if this word structure than a single word.
So, I think they saw girls in cream, and thought, no.
Well, what, what is a, I, I can't think offhand of a valid email with those two words in it.
Girls cream, unless I, like, work for a dairy.
Yeah, I know, so that's what it means.
So, that's how they're going to block.
Girls squirt, squirt guns.
The squirt made it through, so girls squirt, yeah.
Who sends an email, have you ever, ever seen, heard, or known anybody that has sent, or received an email about girls in a squirt gun?
No, but you never know.
Oh, man.
Yeah, it's open.
Yeah, they, I don't know, they, these, these filters sometimes are just, I don't get them.
Alright, this is what I want everyone to do.
I want everyone to go make a SourceForge account, and I want everyone to rewrite the SMP protocol.
Yeah, yeah, right, that's not, that's a simple chore.
That ought to take them, what, 10, 15 minutes?
You know, it's going to be easy, guys.
You know, just slap some stuff up, you know?
Right.
Easy.
That's all you got to do.
You just got to make sure you block anonymous remailers.
You got to figure out a way to stop remailing.
Now, I'm sure that they've got a good way to stop anonymous remailing.
I mean, that shouldn't be too difficult.
I mean, it would take some time coding-wise, but concept-wise, it's not.
But what do you, what about the compromised accounts?
It's compromised servers.
True.
Then, you know, then it's worse, but.
Yeah, you're just SOL.
There's nothing you can do about those until after, you know, you can react, but you can't.
Come on, stop.
If you're never going to block spam, just give it up.
Yeah, I think that's probably true, as much as I hate to admit it.
At least you can minimize it, and that's what we talked about last episode, so if you missed
it, go back and check that one out.
But since you missed that episode, you lose.
Yeah, it's over.
It's done.
I mean, you had to have listened to it live, well, pseudo-live, while it was streaming
on RantRadio.com.
If you didn't hear it right then and there, really, it kind of loses the effect.
Yeah.
But, thanks to Hack and Slash, we're going to have show notes now that you can go back
and look stuff up, because, frankly, I mean, all the time, I think there's even a story
tonight that's kind of a follow-up of something we talked about on RFA before, so, you know,
you can go back.
We always refer back to the previous mentions of these to see how the story has changed
and developed and, you know, what's happened since previous episodes, so that's something
that I like.
I like going back.
I even go back and listen to our own shows to see, now, wait a minute.
What was the story back then, and compare it, and what has happened now, and where do we
stand on all this stuff, so it's definitely reason to have the old episodes up for at
least as long as possible, so right now, we have plenty of rooms, and we're not in an
RFA situation.
They've got, you know, 500 episodes or something out now, right?
Aren't they like 501, 502?
Yeah.
So, they got a lot of episodes out, so they got some space issues, and mirrors help out
a lot, and hopefully, we'll last long enough to be in that situation, too.
Let's move on to some email.
I got a couple of good emails this week.
One from Cracks.
He suggested that regular listeners know that I'm a cheap ass, and I don't have a good
phone.
I don't have any services or features or anything on it to do three-way calling.
We can't really do a lot of phone calls or social engineering or stuff live while we're
recording because I'm a cheap ass, and that's something that we do on RFA anyway.
That's something that's more geared towards that show.
So, but he suggested that perhaps I can use the internet.
Was it, let's see, he mentioned a specific one called flat rate, I think it was, but just
generally using the internet as a way of having more people on or more guests on and not even
using the limits of my phone, not even using the phone company at all.
So, yeah, that sounds like a good idea, and we actually discussed that before we ever
started with the show, but frankly, the quality is not there.
The quality of the voices going over the internet, at least software-wise through computers and
through using these software applications, is not there.
Now, we've also discussed in the past the Vonage and, what was it, Packet 8, I think was
another in theory.
All those, they're good.
You know how they work, you know, cheap, cheap, cheap phone service.
The problems lie in the fact that we can't do it since we need an extra computer downloading
all this stuff, since we record on one computer, along with the fact that you can't three-way
on any of this stuff.
It's a one connection.
So, you can't flash the switch hook and say, get up another person, because it's physically
impossible.
Yeah, we were very excited to try to start using that on RFA, because the long distance
and stuff starts to add up, and with those devices, it's a lot, lot cheaper, and would
have helped out a lot.
But, yeah, they don't have the three-way, so it kind of defeats the purpose.
And again, the ones, the software ones that you interface with your computer with, they
just have a lot of problems.
There would be a lot of logistic problems.
How do you record and run one bit of software talking, while I'm also running the same software
package to record?
There might be some input-output issues.
I might have to use two or three computers together here to make it happen.
And then, again, the bottom line is the quality that you'd be getting, coming through there,
because, you know, you've got the danger of packet loss, too.
If we drop somebody in the middle of the show, I mean, I guess, sure, that can happen in
the phone, but, I mean, not as often as it would happen online, I would imagine.
Oh, yeah.
So, yeah, we did actually think about that.
We discussed it, and just right now, it's not quite possible yet.
You know, I really still think that Vonage and those type of things are a great idea,
and they are useful for a lot of things.
And I hope that a lot of people start latching on and using them, because as they do, they
will grow and develop, and they will start adding those extra features that we need, and
then I would gladly jump on, gladly jump on if they were to upgrade it and give me the
features I need.
But right now, they're still startup, they're still fairly new, so, yeah, I hope they do
take off and do well, and then that would be a great solution for not only us on the
show, but for everybody.
I mean, it would just be an alternative to the monopolistic phone companies.
And no, I'm not going to go into a rant on that.
I think we all know where I stand on that.
All right.
I got another email, and mute, this might be, this is probably something you can add a lot
to, because this is a follow-up.
This came from Jalga, and it's a direct follow-up to our conversation last week, which I found
very enlightening, on RFID.
And we talked about, generally, what it was and how it worked, but we also talked some
specific details of it, as related to American Express and a new project, a new thing that
they're rolling out.
And basically, what he mentioned to me, what he pointed out, was that their RFID, 13.56,
is actually under the Part 15 rule, or Part 15?
Yeah, Part 15.
It's a part of the SEC's rules, the federal communications, whatever, I don't know.
Commission?
Basically, what Part 15 means is a bunch of rules, like law, and any good government, such
as the United States of America, that dictates policy on what happens with the airwaves around
the United States of America.
All right.
They're the ones that say that we're not allowed to listen in on phone calls.
They're the ones that says, these bands are reserved for police department and fire department,
et cetera, et cetera.
What they do is, when they thought, oh, wait a minute, we can use these radios for something
interesting, they sat down, and they thought, we've got to divide this up, or people are
going to go crazy.
So they took all the bandwidth, divided it in megahertz, or any simple mean.
That's usually all the band plans you find are in megahertz.
And they tell you, this frequency to this frequency is for this, this to this is this.
So, so, so on, so on, so on.
Well, part of it, being a ham radio operator, I can operate on certain parts of those band
plans that have been reserved for me.
And only for ham operators.
Exactly.
So, at a certain point, say 144 megahertz to 140 megahertz is what a ham, licensed ham radio
operator can operate on at two meter band.
It comes from the name two meter because 144 megahertz is roughly a two meter wavelength of
of a radio wave.
So, from crest to crest or trough to trough of a wave to approximately two meters, or six
point whatever feet.
I hate metric.
Anyways.
So, you get that.
Now, other parts are police.
For the record, I love metric.
Okay.
I think metric rocks.
Okay.
It's much more logical than, you know, how many feet in a yard and how many inches divided
by, yeah, screw that.
I like the base.
Throw up on it, so.
Yeah, I like a base 10.
Thank you.
I like the base 10 system.
But anyway, go ahead.
Anyways.
Other parts are reserved for cell phones, so, so on.
Other parts aren't, nothing is done with it, such as, I think above, I think there's
laws that say, such as, okay, the 2.4 gigahertz spectrum.
No one owns that, well, whatever that area around there, I don't know, I don't know the
specific numbers.
You can find a list search for FCC band plan online.
You'll find billions of band plans.
Yeah, but isn't 2.4 Wi-Fi?
It is, but it's not licensed.
Oh, it's not.
Whoever produces it can do whatever they want with it.
That's why you have, that's why you have Wi-Fi, they have cell, that's some wireless
phones, intercoms, so much stuff runs on it that there, I mean, there's no, no one
person owns it.
It's unlicensed.
Up to a certain point, you can't, or actually, no, I think, I'll take that back, I think
anyone can do whatever they want with it.
So, and the other, so, here's how part 15 comes in.
Well, wait, wait, before you go there, let's stick with this 2.4, just, just to clarify.
Something here, because basically what you're telling me is a standard emerged, because
obviously wireless took off, 802.11 took off, and we started developing and using it, but
technically it is not reserved via the FCC to only be used by manufacturers of wireless
products, or excuse me, wireless networking, I should say, specifically.
That is why, as you mentioned, cordless phones, so some of the 2.4 MHz cordless phone, that's
why you have interference, and that's why tech support always tells you unplug your
phones and, you know, make sure there's no interference from a 2.4 in your house and stuff
like that.
Is that coincidentally, that two standards kind of arose at the same time, and now they're
in kind of a conflict with each other?
No, it's just the fact that that certain point, which is somewhat useful, it's just
a nice point, it's a nice, I guess it's a nice way to, where to manufacture at, from
a manufacturing standpoint, and because it doesn't, no one owns it, so no one can complain,
let's take it for the ham radio, classic ham radio incident.
You sit down, you're going to watch TV.
You have neighbors moving, and you turn your TV on, you get all this crazy thatching on your
TV, and all this crap on your TV, and you're like, why is this going on?
You realize your neighbor is a ham radio operator.
What happened is, he starts transmitting, and it messes up your TV set, because of interference
he's producing.
What are you going to do about it?
Kick his ass.
Huh?
I'm going to go over there, and I'm going to kick his ass and kill his dog.
You can't, because a TV, along with a shitload of other things these days, is what the FCC
likes to call, or a lot of people that know the lingo like to call, a Part 15 device.
And Stank says, what the hell's a Part 15 device?
What the hell's a Part 15 device?
Part 15 device is, if you look at a CD player, any of those, any consumer electronics today,
that might, in the oddest case, produce some weird-ass, funky radio interference, they still
have the sticker on it.
Turn over your CD player, find some electronic, hold it in your hand, flip it around, you see
a sticker.
The sticker is printed on almost everything.
It says, this device complies with the Part 15 device, and it has two rules.
Two main rules is, it will never produce interference, and if it ever has interference
given to it, it must accept it.
So, how is this tying to RFID?
Well, first of all, we're about the TV scenario.
Since it interferes, you can have no recourse, because it has to accept the interference.
There's no other thing, it was sold to accept the interference, unless, and the other thing
is it's a convenience for the producer of the electronic, so they don't have to go through
other bullshit to figure out how to make the thing more shielding and so on.
So.
Well, when you, there's no legal recourse is what you mean.
Yeah, there's no legal, there's much of a legal recourse.
Stank just mentioned, EG, killing their dog, but we really don't want to do that.
Can I, can I kick the dog?
Maybe, you know, it's all.
Can I spit on the dog?
If he goes on your property, hey, clear game.
I'm not a lawyer, I only play one on radio.
Anyways, how is this related to RFIDs?
Well, Jaga said in his email, he is kick-ass by the way, he knows his shit.
Oh yeah, definitely.
He says RFID, which I kind of, I thought maybe it was their part-tracing device.
As I just said, they can produce interference, they will not produce interference, but mind
you, they'd be there on the 13.56.
Right.
But they must accept interference.
But doesn't everything have to accept interference?
Yes.
There's no, the thing, this makes it, there's no difference between this and anything else.
Okay.
So, this goes back to an article I'm going to write soon, you know, I'm going to, it's
under wraps, it's covered up, but we'll get to it.
Well, we'll leave, that's 1.3 material.
That's, yeah, that's 1.3.
You, you, you, you're going to salivate over that stuff, it's cool.
Anyways, think Chuck E. Cheese.
Anyways, you got, uh, uh, you got your part, you got your RFID tag, your tiny little thing
holding your hand, and you, it's transmitting itself and its location, not its location,
but it's transmitting, but I'm in the store right now.
So, and you, you can build it, as I think Chuck E. said, without a couple parts, the
blocker for it, and as long as it doesn't, like, isn't overpowering, up to the point
where the FCC says, uh, no, you can't do that, and they slap you with a fine, I've seen
it happen, I've seen it happen, I've heard it happen, and it's painful, they will fine
you because you've been transmitting with too much power.
But that, that's a general FCC rule or FCC law, right?
I mean, there's nothing specific to 13.56, but if you try to broadcast anything at too
high power, so, technically by the letter of the law, it sounds like, would it be, if
I were to make a very low frequency jammer or blocker of some kind?
Same frequency, low power.
Low power.
Yeah, low power.
It's a low frequency device.
Yeah.
Low power.
I misspoke.
Low power.
I could legally carry that on my person when I go into the stores and jam those signals.
Yes.
And there's no legal recourse they can take or anything they can do about it.
Because they had to accept it.
So, as we're going to work on, they're going to roll around with this little device, and
they can't do shit because they had to accept the interference, and you're saved.
And so, let me think here.
That's basically just of it.
So, you can have this little thing around here.
So, another thing about that limit, what I think another part of the law dictates, you
can only use the amount of power, like for hammering an operator, that you need to accomplish
the task.
So, if it takes me only a half watt to hit my repeater, then I'm only really allowed
to use a half watt, and I'm not allowed to use like 500 watts, and then overpower the
repeater and everything else in the neighborhood, and blow up some cats.
I mean, it's bad.
Hmm.
So, in any event, yeah, you could, and they can't do anything about it, because when they
find out that half their shoes are missing, because you're standing by the shoes, they
can't do anything about it.
So, is there a secret frequency at which point cats detonate?
Is that what you're...
Well, you know, that's speculation, because since they're made a lot of water, and we're
made a lot of water...
Right.
At 2.4 gigahertz, that's the resonant frequency of water.
Remember, all you little kids, you see 4X and you little hack and slash, go read about
resonant frequency when you get around to physics, which means, I'll save it for the
older guys that, because they don't want to go read their textbooks.
Resonant frequency is where something vibrates, so like a string on one of Het Bland's guitars,
it resonates at a frequency and produces that sound, and with enough power it breaks.
So, like, you know, when the opera singer breaks a glass, she's at the right frequency
for the molecules to vibrate, not to break.
So, if you aim enough juice at someone at 2.4 gigahertz, the water in their body starts
to vibrate, you might melt.
That would suck.
Yeah, that would suck.
So, you know, blowing up cats.
Hmm.
Boy, you know, how did we...
Somehow, we're killing dogs and cats so far in this episode.
What...
I blame video games and Marilyn Manson.
Yeah.
Someone else's fault, not mine.
I blame Duel.
Yeah, yeah, that's a good idea.
I blame Duel, too.
I changed my answer.
I want to change my answer.
Well, how about this?
Why...
Okay, so...
Actually, let me give you a two-part question here.
One, if 2.4 is freely available, public is not reserved for Wi-Fi or for cordless phones
or something, A, why didn't they reserve a range to use for this?
Why didn't they go through the process of contacting the FTCC and saying, I need a bandwidth
around this area to develop this technology?
And B, since they chose to go in this free open range, why did, if you knew Wi-Fi was coming
out or the cordless phone came first, whichever one, if you knew somebody else was already working
and experimenting in 2.4, why not go to 2.5 or 2.44372 or something, you know?
Well, why did they go somewhere where they knew that development was already going on?
Called money.
Well, money's the root of everything, all the problems, but elaborate, please.
All right.
As you know, the IEEE, is that a non-for-profit organization?
It might be.
In any case, they don't have a lot of money.
They made that standard just as Ethernet, just as everything else, to...
It's for the public, for the net citizens of the world to use.
2.4, the 802.11 piece part, that law, that specification, they're not going to do anything
with it.
No one owns that.
They're not going to go through the trouble of a free thing.
So let's say they did.
Let's say they went out, they said, okay, FCC, let us have some, a couple megahertz of bandwidth
and, you know, we'll be happy.
Well, they're going to charge up the ass because somehow they own the airwaves.
That's why, like, a radio company, broadcast radio, they have to pay a shitload of money
every month to the people over the FCC to allow them to use that.
And if they mess up, as I mentioned before, they have too much power, they get slapped
with a fine.
FCC comes down there and say, no.
And they hit you in the face and they stick a sticker on there and they say, pay us $10,000
or we're sending you for $10,000 because you mess with our stuff.
All right.
Where do they put the stick?
On your ass.
Oh, and that's not cool.
Yeah.
Man.
You ripped the skin off, too.
You know what?
I'm going to stay away from messing around with the airwaves because that stick up the
ass sounds kind of uncomfortable.
Yeah, this is worse than RA because, see, the RA just fakes what they do.
These guys actually do do this stuff.
You said do do.
Silly.
All right.
So let's bring this back down to the specific topic we were talking about, and that's RFID
at 13.56.
So to recap, now that we've got a good global understanding and everybody listening, I think
that was really a good overall fundamental basis there.
Let's come back to the specific example.
I can create a low-power device as long as I don't break FCC limits or rules and jam anything
that is in the publicly accessible area.
So can I also, just like jamming 13.56, could I also carry a device to jam 2.4 since that
is also not reserved?
Then you can do whatever you want.
All right.
As long as it's at low power.
You search, what did I search for before?
One term, I don't remember.
There is a list of all the, or you search for part 15 on Google and you get some links
and you're looking for, or no, you search part 15 law, I think.
Actually, Jaga sent me a good link, too, and maybe I'll, if I remember, I'll try to post
that up, that tells all the details about it, so.
Part 15, ARRL, and that gives the ARRLs, the radio dudes, they're cool dudes because they
really kind of help out with the whole, they're the amateur radio guys, they're kind of like
the front man for all of us, all of our ham radio operators.
Scroll down a wee bit, and about halfway, you get a list of what I like to call the, where
is it, the restricted bands of operation.
A, except as shown in the paragraph, and D, of this section, only spurious admissions
are permitted in any of the frequency bands below.
This means, if you transmit on here, and it's not, if you're intentionally doing it, like
I'm going to transmit on whatever, and I'm going to mess up with someone, it is illegal.
Guess what's not here?
What's that?
13.56.
Surprise!
Guess what also's not here?
2.4.
Exactly.
Scroll down some more.
We get the, where is it, let's see where I saw it here, unlicensed Part 15 bands.
Guess what is here?
And what is that?
3.56.
13.56.
13 point, right.
And 2.4.
All right, so, technically, by the letter of the law, there's nothing stopping me from
doing what I mentioned earlier, making a little low-power device, you know, I'll put it on
my keychain, carry it around with me everywhere I go so that RFID can't track me.
Exactly.
My own personal little, uh, uh, what do they call those things on Star Trek, little shield,
little, uh, make a little purple, a little invisible bubble around myself where radio
frequency or RFID will not affect me.
There you go.
But what if we were to take this a step bigger, a step larger?
As long as we stay within that FCC limit, whatever that is, what do you think would
be the largest that I could make without getting caught?
Could I make one, if I made one smart, big, uh, low enough power, but to block my personal
body from RFID tags?
I know this is, I'm, I'm definitely using poor terminology here, but I'm trying to speak
in normal English about this.
If I want to protect myself, I make a low-power device to block, to block those RFID.
What if I wanted to block my entire house?
How much power would that take?
And will that also be, um, will I be safe from the FCC if I powered my house?
What if I powered my neighborhood to protect them from RFID?
What if I powered my city?
Where is that power limit, uh, based on your experience and your estimation, you know, how
much, how much could I, as a single individual, protect without crossing the FCC's boundaries and
getting the stick up my ass?
I'm looking now.
Oh, it's all very, uh, you see, it's, uh, it comes down to the point of where you're
transmitting, how much you're transmitting, or two points, how, where you're, where you're
transmitting, how much.
If you're transmitting a wide band, so you're covering, like, 10 megahertz and really powerful,
yeah, they're going to find you pretty quick.
Okay.
Now, if you're transmitting at a single frequency, pretty high power, it might take a little longer
like you're doing a pirate radio.
Right.
If you're trying to be low power, it's very hard.
They say here, or a definition, high power intentional radiators.
These devices are authorized in intentional, intentional emitters, as in, they're going
to transmit on this, and no, and they're meant to.
So, on some bands, 2.3 gigahertz, using spread spectrum, 2.4 gigahertz, spread spectrum, that's
what a, that's what a Wi-Fi card is.
Right.
A lot of phones, for better quality, for example, they can use up to levels of one watt.
That's what you hear on all the boards, don't go over one watt.
One watt.
Yeah.
But that's high power.
So, with one watt of power, if that's the theoretical limit here.
That's the high, I'm still looking for another limit.
But, yeah, go off of that.
Just for point, just for argument's sake, I take whatever the limit is, let's just say
it's one for ease of talking about it, I can, using that much power, block 13.56 as
far as I can on one watt, and protect as many people as I can from being tracked.
Is that correct?
Yep.
On the same token, if I wanted to be, if I wanted to be disruptive, if I wanted to cause
trouble, if I wanted to cross a line, I could go to, say, let's say Walmart did go back
on with the RFID in retail.
I could sit in a parking lot and jam their whole building up.
Right.
Sounds like it when the law says.
Or is there going to be, I bet you there's some other law that's going to cover them from
doing it.
Of course, if you get caught, assuming you get caught.
I'm looking for it right now.
But you could probably go in and mess them up for 10 or 15 minutes before they ever figure
what, probably longer than that.
They don't know what the hell's going on.
And on the same token, even worse, if you really wanted to sabotage a business or something
like that, not that I'm condoning going out and doing this, we're speaking from the standpoint
of knowledge here, what you could and couldn't do, and the possibilities are, I could build
a jammer with that same one limit and go and aim for 2.4 and take down their wireless network.
Is that true?
Yep.
So, if, you know, whoever, I don't know, Walmart or, we've been bashing on Walmart a lot.
We've already got Project Walmart Freedom.
Let me pick, let's go with Target or somebody else.
If I wanted to go, they pissed me off.
If they didn't give me that wonderful job I wanted mopping the floors on third shift,
I could go in there and I could aim at their 2.4 and jam their registers or whatever their
wireless is, and by the letter of the law, by the limits of the technology, that could
be done.
And it wouldn't be that difficult?
Well, it'd be difficult to, you know, make that transmitter, but after that, no.
Right.
Well, that's, that's, you know, a really cool possibility, but do you think any of these
people are aware of that vulnerability and the possibility that they could be taken down
that easily?
I would think.
I don't know.
I don't think they would be.
If I were to go to one of these places and do that, I don't think they'd have a clue what
was going on.
They'd be rebooting the servers and they'd be calling all kinds of places.
They wouldn't have a clue what was causing it and that that potential was there.
And if you told them after the fact, they still probably wouldn't get it, a lot of them.
Hmm?
Hopefully a lot of our listeners did.
I'm sure they did.
Wow, that was, that was really good.
That was a lot of, that was some good information there.
Transmission systems must meet the same requirements as direct sequence spread vector
merits, including maximum power of up to one watt, dependent on equal, yeah, one watt
sounds like their limit, and...
But what about intent?
If my, if my intent is malicious, does it matter?
I don't see anything that is more criminal, but I mean, doesn't, I don't see any difference.
I mean, obviously if I'm sitting in the parking lot of a, of a retail establishment or something
with that device, I mean, I can't...
A bar's going to go, but if you were close enough to jam it, then yeah, they really couldn't
do anything because you're limited to one watt.
Right.
So...
And have Jock, Jock, you know, email one of us, give us a scoop, I'm pretty sure it's
one watt, maybe it's less, maybe it's more, but do you transmit one watt, I don't think
they can touch you.
Hmm.
Well, again, if they, the other thing is, if they want you, they're going to get you.
We've talked about that several times, too.
They'll make some shit up if they really want to get you.
Yeah, but they'll be like, oh, oh, you interfered with this microwave over here and it killed
people.
Oh, yeah, that's terrorist activity and we're going to put you in a terrorism watch or,
you know, they can make shit up all they want.
Yeah, let's keep rolling with here.
We've got to, we've got to have some more show notes.
Yeah, that's, well, you know what, that's, I don't know, that's, that's good stuff.
I, I think this is already shaping up to be a great show and we haven't really gotten
into any of the news or, or topics or anything like that.
Um, actually, I still haven't talked about, um, and there's no point spending a lot of
time on this, but the listeners, uh, probably know by now that we've updated the forums with
new software.
I, I was two generations behind in the software because there were some vulnerabilities that
I wanted to avoid in the previous version.
So I waited until this third version, 1.2 came out of Envision forums, Envision board
software.
And I just updated the, there are some vulnerabilities to it, but they're minor, uh, cosmetic.
There's nothing, you know, detail.
So I waited until that was stable before we upgraded to that.
So we added a lot of new features.
Most, most important.
I think the one I like the best is the new calendar.
I added all the radio shows I could think of quickly.
And, um, bland is going to be doing a lot of work.
Bland and Quizzler is going to be doing a lot of work, updating them and adding stuff
like, uh, trying to work on some skins and do a lot of moderating on that.
Um, but adding that calendar, I thought was phenomenal because now I can look on that calendar
and know what show was on at what time and what date and when conventions are coming up.
I've already added up to the end of this year for most of the things I could think of.
Most of the stuff that I keep an eye on and watch for.
2,600 meetings are out there to remind you.
You can, you can practically, I don't know offhand if there's a print function, but it
would be great if I could print that calendar off each month, beginning of the month, print
it off and kind of look forward or look ahead to what's coming up.
So I, I really like the calendar feature.
Um, there's some other minor just administrative features that help us out a lot on our end.
And, um, the only thing is we've got to get a new skin.
That, that default skin, that white is just really intense on me right now.
I want to get some darker colors in there.
Um, so I'm real happy with the new forums.
Um, also I have a little mini rant here to go on too.
This week, I had, I had a video file that I wanted to watch.
And yeah, I wanted to watch it pretty damn bad.
I would have to want to watch it pretty damn bad to install this.
But, but the damn thing, it was in real media.
It was in real media format.
It was an RM, real movie.
And, yeah, I wanted to watch it.
So I broke down.
I swore this new machine, I wasn't going to install real on it.
But it's the only way I could get this.
And I had to install real.
And, oh, it just reminded me how fucking bad I hate real media.
I hate real networks.
I hate real player.
I hate everything that they do.
I don't know why people use this thing.
But it's just sickening.
Anyway, I had this video.
Just a little clip.
And I wanted to watch it.
And I went to real.com to download the stupid free player.
Well, good luck trying to find the free player.
When you get there, everything that pops up is free trial, free this, free...
I clicked on the big, you know...
What are you going to go to that site for?
To download the fucking player.
Damn it, I'm using the F word again.
To download...
Well, fuck it, I am going to use the F word.
Don't download that fucking player, because that's what it is.
And, of course, the big picture here.
Click here to download.
Well, it turns out that's a 14-day trial of the full-blown version.
I guess the full real player you pay for on a monthly whatever to get access.
Well, I don't want that shit.
I just want one that I can play my local RM files in.
I want the free one.
And it's so freaking hard to find it on their site.
They don't want you to find it.
They want to sucker you into paying for it.
If you don't read carefully and you just start clicking, you see free download.
Click here.
They want your name, your address, your email.
And, you know, and I'm clicking through it.
I also, it fooled me a little bit.
I'm like, alright, what do you want all this shit?
I'm putting in garbage name, email address.
I don't care.
I just want to download it.
And it gets to the point where I wanted a credit card number.
Now, why in the hell would you want a credit card number for free software?
That's when I realized, oh, this isn't free.
This is their full version, the free trial.
So they want my credit card number to download this so they can start charging me after 14 days.
I had to go back to the homepage and dig around and find this tiny little link that says click here for the free version of Real Player and download it.
And then, I swear to God, they want every bit of information about you just to download this shit.
They want your life story.
They want your name, your address.
I mean, I thought I was going to have to fax in a photocopy of my dick to get a copy of this fucking software.
So once I install the damn thing, I always go to custom install.
I want to see what everything is doing behind the scenes.
Well, for God's sake, whatever you do, go to custom install on Real because the default install installs so much shit on your computer and so many options.
When you go over there, they want to install links to this on your desktop.
They want to put it in your start menu.
They want to put it in your quick launch bar.
They want to install a fucking AOL software and AOL links.
Get this shit off my fucking computer.
I hate this software.
I absolutely hate Real.
I despise them.
And damn it, I hate it when I don't have a choice.
If I wanted to watch this thing, you know what I'm going to do?
I'm going to make one of my boxes a disposable box.
And every month or two, I'm just going to wipe it, reinstall everything from scratch.
I'm just going to leave that box over there.
And in case I have to install stupid shit software like Real, I'll install it over there and then wipe it out later.
Because I just do not want this thing to stay on my system all the time.
It's evil.
It's just evil, evil software from an evil company.
I guess the worst movie of all time is...
What's that?
I guess the worst movie of all time is rated by...
IMDB.com?
Giggly.
Giggly or whatever the hell that movie.
I saw that.
Somebody sent me an email of that.
Giggly.
And the next one from Justin McKillie.
Richelle.
You know what?
As much as you guys make fun of me for being a fan of American Idol, I would never spend my money to go see that crappy movie.
I mean, come on.
I watch it because it's on the TV and it's free, you know.
And I sit there and people are saying it's better than watching a lot of the other garbage that's on TV.
So I take a lot of flack from Duel and Mute about it.
But even I know better than to go see Justin DeKellie movie.
Come on.
The thing is, that got 2,657 votes.
And that's a 1.4 rating.
But Manos, The Hands of Fate.
Great movie.
Whatever the fuck that is.
Oh, that's a...
Boy, that's a stink-a-rama, dude.
That's an old black and white...
It's got a 1.6.
Sci-fi thing.
Because a rating of 1.6, but it's got more votes.
So someone thought it was good and threw the balance off.
It's one of those movies that's so bad, it's good.
You know, that's...
Actually, that's a Mystery Science Theater movie.
A lot of those...
A Mystery Science Theater, that's what they do.
They find these...
For the Mistys out there who already know.
But for some of you who don't, Mystery Science Theater 3000 is a show where they parody these old...
Oh, I wouldn't say parody.
They take these old, old, really bad movies.
And trust me, they find the stinkiest of the stinkiest movies that you can find.
They take the movie, and at the bottom you'll see these chairs.
It's like a...
It's just superimposed on there.
And then you see the three guys.
They're supposed to be...
It's just this stupid story, but it's so stupid.
Basically, they just harass the movie and add little comments in it.
Yeah, that's all they need to know.
There is a little silly story, but yeah, basically they heckle the...
They're not really heckling.
They're just sitting there, three guys, watching a movie, and they just talk.
And they go, you know what?
This movie's really bad.
And they basically make fun of it.
They point out stupid flaws in the movie, and just the funniest comments, and it's hilarious.
And it makes bad movies good.
It makes them watchable.
Anybody that can watch Mando's Hands of Fate without the Mystery Science Theater overlay...
That's also what's great about...
This is something...
They do a good job with DVD.
This is what DVD is for.
They overlay the Mystery Science Theater stuff on the movie.
Technically, on the Mystery Science Theater DVDs, you can watch the regular version of the movie...
And the mystified version of the movie, which I think is really cool.
Cool.
I don't know anybody...
Who the hell would not watch it with that, but...
Yeah, I don't know who could watch Mando's Hands of Fate without the Misty version on it...
Because it's god-awful.
It is...
It's bizarre.
The little goat guy, and this guy's supposed to be the evil boss guy, and he's got these
big handprints, and...
Oh, I don't know.
I don't even know where to go.
If anybody out there hasn't seen Mando's Hands of Fate, I recommend it.
Go check it out.
This Mando's...
This movie?
It is a Mystery Science Theater 3000 copy of it.
Well, yeah, they probably list it as...
Like I said, they purposely pick bad movies, so...
The first user comments about this, so bad the actress committed suicide the same year
it was made.
Oh, I don't know if that's true.
I hope not.
That's not...
Let's go from a bad topic.
Let's go from the bad movie to something good that I watched, actually.
Nick 84 taped this for me because I am a big fan of George Orwell.
I love George Orwell's Rourke, and on the BBC they had a documentary, a fake documentary
for lack of a better term, and I can't get that over here because my cable company sucks
rhinoceros ass, so Nick was good enough to record it for me, and I just watched that
this weekend, and it was a wonderful, wonderful documentary, and the reason I say it's a fake
documentary is because there is no real video or audio footage of George Orwell or Eric Blair.
There is no actual footage.
No one knows what he looks like or sounds like other than a few pictures and his memoirs
and his writings.
So they had an actor who played George Orwell, and they mixed it in with footage of...
They did have footage and interviews with family and friends and relatives and things
like that interspersed in, and any time that George Orwell was on the screen, it was the
actor, but every word was written by Orwell in one of his writings or something like that.
So every quote and every interview that he gave was his actual words, but we have no
way of knowing what he actually sounded like or looked like on video because it doesn't
exist.
They were able to make this full-length documentary, I think it was like an hour and a half or something
like that, of a person that we don't know.
It was just, it's just amazing to me.
We don't know that this man exists, per se, if it wasn't for his writing and records of
him, and I thought that was just amazing.
He did an excellent job, and I learned a lot of stuff I did not know about Orwell.
What I know about him is what I've read in his novels, and in 1984, of course, a classic,
one of the greatest, if not the greatest novel ever written, and Animal Farm, another fantastic
novel, which I haven't read since high school, but geez, watching this and seeing kind of a
biography, a history of what he went through in his life and stuff, I see now a lot of
relevance of where he got these ideas from and how he developed these ideas and concepts.
So it was really, really well done.
If anybody has the opportunity to see this, if you get BBC, if you, well, if you live in
England or you live somewhere outside of here where you can get access to it, definitely check
that out.
It was definitely worth watching.
I don't know, I guess you can probably figure out, I'm sure they'll re-air it just like
they do in the United States.
I'm sure they rerun stuff.
But really good.
Check that out.
I'm actually thinking of writing, I actually started writing a review of it.
I don't know if people are going to be interested in reading a review because it's, over here in
the United States anyway, it's very obscure.
It's going to be tough to get a hold of to watch it.
So, maybe, I wonder if I, I'm going to look for the next episode.
I'm going to look between now and next episode to see if there's a way to order it on videotape
or DVD or something like that.
Of course, you'd need a region-free player because of all the, I'm not even going to go
there.
Yeah, geez, we still haven't gotten into real topics.
I have one more thing to talk about.
Finally, we've been dragging this out and talking about this for a long time, a year now,
or even more, Hack TV.
Well, finally, Hack TV is coming.
I promise this time.
It is coming.
I have seen, and you have also seen, you can verify this for the people, it exists.
We have a pilot.
We have a teaser.
We have a trailer.
Whatever you want to call it.
We have footage.
We have all the test footage.
Dual has gotten a lot of recordings.
Mute's done some recordings.
I've done some stuff.
Basically, we've used those.
We've been learning.
We've been trying to figure out the whole video editing.
Situ, who's doing most of it for us, doing wonderful work, and we finally got our standards
together.
We know how we're going to do it and approach it, and we are actually finally filming legitimate
footage for Hack TV.
So, anybody out there that wants to send stuff in, get in touch with me.
Look in the forums, in the Hack TV, in the hacker media section on the forums, and you
will find instructions and details of how to get these uploaded, where to put them, and
stuff like that.
It is coming soon.
Hopefully, knock on wood, hopefully sometime in September, we will have something out.
We will have the first episode out.
And, um, Mute, you saw the trailer.
What did you think?
It was okay.
You know, it's just the three movies that everyone has seen before.
But we put them together.
We had a little fun with it.
We made them funny.
And we have an intro.
We have some openings, some graphics, and stuff like that.
So, um, and the thing is, there are a bunch of different formats, and getting them all
to work together, that's kind of the hardest part.
So, I was very happy with it.
I was very impressed.
This is what stopped the first Tech TV.
Exactly.
Well, I guess this is still the first.
It's just an ongoing pain in the ass.
Um, boy, we're real low.
I'm going to jump into a couple quick topics.
Um, we might have to save some of this stuff for next week, obviously.
I think you realize that.
Um, we save everything here next week.
No, we don't.
This one, this one was from last week, and I wanted to talk about it then.
I definitely am going to talk about it now, even though we're running low on time.
Um, we have, there is a new bill from two Democratic congressmen, Howard Berman, who should
get the permanent, I should give him like the,
honorary fucknut of the month, fucknut of the century award, because he,
Not honorary if he earned it.
Yeah, well, you're right.
He earned it.
He's like a, the fucknut of the century then.
Because he's always.
It's like my magazine.
That's what we'll do.
The fourth of, every release of BinRev.
One a year.
Like Times, man of the year.
Yeah, we can have the fucknut of the year.
Yeah.
And put him on the cover.
Would we get sued if we used his likeness?
I'm sure they'd come after us.
But we'll make a caricature.
Well, I don't know.
He's a public figure.
I don't think there's, I don't think there's any law against that.
Yeah.
I don't know.
We might have to look into that.
Could be a plan.
We never did follow up.
We were going to actually make up t-shirts that says, I am the winner of the DDP fucknut
of the month award.
And we were going to actually find their address and mail it to them.
And I don't know if we're still going to do that or not.
That's wasting money sending them a shirt for being an asshole.
And they might wear it.
Yeah, it'd be funny if we could actually videotape it somehow and see what their reaction.
But since that's probably not really possible, no point in wasting.
Well, this is Howard Berman and John Conyers Jr.
have introduced a bill that would make, and this is mind-boggling.
You know what?
I'm going to end with this topic before we, because this is a great ending topic.
It's going to piss me off.
I'm going to get all worked and bent out of shape, worked up.
They have introduced a bill that would make uploading a single unauthorized upload of
a copywritten work, such as a song, mp3 basically is what this is.
That's what he's always whining and bitching about.
Now, they have introduced a bill that would make one upload a felony.
A felony.
If you upload a song and this bill passes, you are a felon.
Not a misdemeanor.
Not a slap on the wrist.
You are a felon.
Federal pound me in the ass prison felon.
For uploading a song.
I don't, you know, I don't know what runs through these people's heads.
This thing is called, let me, what is the name of this thing?
It's called the Author, Consumer, and Computer Owner Protection and Security Act of 2003.
And the rationale behind this, they claim that uploading one song could cost the copyright owner
thousands of dollars in lost revenue.
This meets the 10-copy, $2,500 threshold for felonious copyright infringement and U.S. copyright law.
Now, once again, I've talked about this before.
The internet is borderless.
The U.S. copyright laws, you know, I don't know how they're going to reach out to other countries.
But just the concept of this is mind-numbing to me.
They want to punish us.
And they're trying, I mean, when I say they want to, they want to.
They are trying to pass this bill.
They spent time.
These are people that we put in office and we voted into office.
Well, not we.
Somebody did.
To spend our tax money and our time to make this law.
And this is what they came up with.
They want to punish us for something that could happen.
It might happen.
It might be uploaded by somebody.
It might be downloaded and cause this.
They're going to punish us for something that we have not done.
We might do.
It might not happen.
Who knows if they download it from me or somebody else or 5,000 other peoples.
Their rationale is that it's going to cost, it could cost, the copyright owner, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
They're making assumptions on intent and predicting the future.
Now, this is about MP3s that they're focusing on.
This is their solution.
Where does this stop?
You know, if I go to the store and buy, I don't know, fertilizer or something,
does that mean I could use that to make some type of explosive?
So, therefore, let's put me as a felon, too.
Anybody that buys fertilizer, you're a felon.
If you buy charcoal, you're a felon.
If you buy fireworks, you're a felon because you might do something bad with them
and we don't want you to do that because I'm Howard Berman
and I don't want you to do anything wrong, so I'm going to stop it.
Wasn't there a movie?
Wasn't there some sci-fi movie with, what's his name, the Jerry Maguire guy?
What's his name?
Tom Cruise?
Yeah.
Wasn't there a movie where they arrested him for something he was going to do in the future
or something like that?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Because they thought, they knew he was going to do it from the crazy predictor people.
I never saw the movie.
Okay, so yes.
Well, it's not a movie anymore.
They are trying to arrest us for something that might happen.
It could happen.
Sure it could.
And monkeys could fly out of my ass.
That doesn't mean you're going to, you know, I'm not going to tape my ass shut.
That could get painful after a while.
These people are predicting the future, and they're going to punish us for something that
we haven't done, might not ever do, might not even be, you know, I don't even, I'm getting
worked up.
I knew I was going to get, I can't fucking believe this.
What kind of pathetic country do we live in?
What kind of civilization do we live in where, if this gets passed, where they're punishing
us for something that could happen or might happen, or, this is devastating.
I mean, this is, this is ridiculous.
I mean, I know what their intent is.
I know the whole copyright, you know, there's both sides to the story, and I'm not justifying
or authorizing either side.
I'm not taking a side, I'm not even debating the topic, but it is mind-numbingly stupid
to punish somebody for something that they have not done, that they might do, that they
could do, oh, I think he might, you know what, mute, I think you might come over here and
shoot me in my sleep tonight.
I think I'm going to call the authorities and have you arrested, because you might do
that.
Where do, you know, this is ridiculous.
This is, it's absolutely sickening, and they are pushing this, and they're spending our
tax money to do it.
This is what they spend their time on.
I'm amazed.
I'm just almost speechless.
I'm never speechless, but I just, I can't say the F word enough to describe how I feel
about this bastard.
And, you know, and let's put it in perspective.
Let's put this in perspective.
Besides the fact that they're predicting a future of punishing, let's put this in perspective.
What are you doing here?
You're uploading a song.
Big fucking deal.
Christina Aguilera is still going to make 50 bazillion dollars with the bubblegum pop
bullshit, regardless of whether these songs are being passed around.
Record sales are as high as they've ever been.
Record sales are still perfectly fine.
Nobody has stopped making money.
Everything is still going honky-dory, just like it always has.
They're going to punish you as a felon, yet drug dealers and child molesters get three
strikes and you're out rules.
Here's another problem here.
What's wrong with this picture when we let drug dealers roam the streets or get off with
a slap on the wrist or have technicalities?
We have stricter laws for fucking MP3s than we do to protect the hardworking American citizens
in this country from legitimate threats.
We're spending our time on MP3s.
And why?
Because the RAAA throws money at these politicians and they spend their time getting that money
and working for them instead of working for the fucking people, which is what they were hired to do.
There's another problem here.
Shoot.
There's so many problems.
Go ahead.
All right.
So, you know, you got your...
First of all, not everyone in the world...
I can guarantee you not the many people that have...
Do not outnumber the people that have a CD player.
Many more people have CD players and very less have broadband internet access and all the
stuff to effectively do this.
There's still so many people that aren't using it.
Yeah, it's a fraction of a percentage.
It's such a small .000...
It's not affecting anything.
Yeah, I mean...
The worst it's affecting is the internet bandwidth in general.
More people complain about the fact that I can't get online and download pertinent information
than downloading the two teeny-bop crap.
Yeah, you know, I heard on the radio, on Clear Channel, I'm sure it probably fucking was,
one of the radio stations on my car driving home the other day, I heard a commercial for
Bell South DSL.
Bell South DSL, always on, high-speed access.
Now you can get online and do your online banking.
You can check on bills.
You can check on this.
You can download MP3s.
Wait a minute, what?
Are you putting a commercial on the radio to download MP3s?
Isn't that illegal?
How can this company sell that as a marketing ploy when, on the other hand, they're fighting
and saying, oh, I guess they meant public domain free MP3.
I'm sure they didn't mean peer-to-peer of any kind.
I'm sure that's not what they insinuated, right?
And just like this, you know, I went into this real bad.
I'm going to stay calm.
Hold on.
I'm going to stay calm.
Last RFA I went off on this, respectcopyrights.org.
I saw this commercial again on television.
It had been Ben Affleck, okay?
And he's getting on there and he gave the same spiel about how, oh, the hard-working
set designers aren't making the money because we're pirating this.
First of all, I don't even do it.
I hate watching movies on the computer.
So this doesn't even really hit home to me as far as, you know, I'm a big pirate and
that's why I'm mad.
I don't even, couldn't care less.
I just don't like the point.
I think it's not a valid point.
They're going to blame, you know, okay, the set designer and the painter and the costume,
blah, blah, blah.
You know, his line was something like this.
He said, not everybody in Hollywood is a highly paid actor or producer.
Some of them are set designers and they're trying to make a living, blah, blah, blah.
Now, I want to interrupt him and go, wait a minute, but excuse me, Mr. Affleck, you made
like $10 million on Giggly Jiggly, right?
Oh, no, no, that's not the point.
That's not the point, Mr. Dog.
That's not the point at all.
What I'm trying to tell you is that not everybody is high-paid producer or actor.
There are many people.
Oh, excuse me, but just, you are a high-paid actor, am I correct?
Well, yes, I am, but that's not important here.
I think it is important.
That's the whole point.
I tell you what, why don't you take a fraction of your money that you made for this bomb, okay?
They're going to blame it on piracy or something, I bet you.
The small .000% of people who know how and have the technical ability to pirate movies,
that small percentage of them,
has put such a tiny dent in the profits of that movie
that it's not even a blip on the radar.
They have spent more money marketing against it with these commercials
and the internet site and the bandwidth and all this shit that they're putting.
They spent millions of dollars in lobbying the government.
All that money, I tell you what,
instead of spending money to make these commercials and all this shit,
give it to the set designer.
Split it up equally amongst all the people that you claim are being ripped off.
If you're sincere and you think that's what's getting hurt,
if they're sincere that the people that are getting hurt are that,
give them that money that you're spending wasting on this propaganda.
Give them the money.
Mr. Affleck, you made $10 million.
Tell you what, why don't you cut it down to $9.9 million
and you take that money and you divide it amongst all these people
that you say are getting ripped off.
You still make $9.9 million.
The producer still makes.
People are still making money.
The problem is that they're not sharing it.
They're blaming it on these pirates,
on these people downloading movies.
They're blaming it on people like that
when the problem is, no,
you're giving the money to the wrong people.
That's your fault.
You have resource management problems
if you're not paying your people properly.
You need to resource,
you need to take a class in resource management
or management in general
and distribute the wealth more evenly and more properly
and quit blaming someone else for your inadequacies.
That wasn't even in the notes.
That just came out of nowhere.
I thought I got it all out of my system on RFA
and I guess I didn't.
I think I do now.
I hope I do.
And on that note...
Yeah, I guess it is...
Boy, we're going to bump a lot of news.
Next time, we're going to hit a lot of news.
Yeah, we're going to hit a lot of news.
Yeah, I guess that's it.
Do you have any shouts?
Do you want to shout out to anybody?
Because we are...
I think we're not too bad on time.
By the time we mix it, we're all right.
I'm too tired.
All right.
Well, I'm going to shout out again.
Site 2, working on Hack TV.
I think it's going to be great.
I guess Mew's not as enthused about it as I am,
but I think it's going to be great.
He's just mad because he wasn't in the pilot.
That's all.
Exactly.
And that's...
You know why you're not?
Because I went to your site and tried to download it
and then it's not there anymore
or you've moved it or something.
What did I...
Oh, yeah.
No, it's still there.
It has to be.
I looked and couldn't find it
or I would have mixed it in.
No, it isn't.
You're right.
No, you can't put that up.
Why not?
Anyway, we'll talk about that after the show.
So, yeah.
Shout out to Site 2.
He's working on Hack TV.
That'll be up very soon.
So, thanks a lot to him.
Letters at BinRev.com
if you want to give us some feedback.
And that's it.
So, Mute.
How do we end?
Same Hack time.
Same Hack channel.
Peace out.
Peace.
Oh, and our closing music for tonight
is a beat I just found at the last minute, actually.
I bumped the other music I was going to play
when I found this.
It's from Auditory.
mp3.com slash auditory.
Check it out.
The song is called
Walking in Wonder World.
Check it out.
The song is called
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