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I took the initiative in creating the Internet.
My name is Ace and I'm a Leo.
On the digital highway, my name is Neo and I'm a hero.
In a flash, I'll screw you on burning dream cats.
You need some ISOs?
Let me do my hard drive rifle.
Our exchange you could never stifle.
In a digital hug, you just caught the love bug.
I bootlegged your CD.
I caused a fight between Un and Jay-Z.
Your CG, it's all gonna be free.
Whether we take it by force or we take it nicely.
You feel that rattle in your bones?
When I tell you, we just hacked out Jones.
And NASDAQ leaves you flat on your back.
Cause I am he who loves to hack and crack.
This is dedicated to the hackers and the creepers.
Serial codes, source codes, ISOs, RAMs, SIFs, SISs.
This is dedicated to the hackers and the crack.
Welcome, ladies and gentlemen, to Binary Revolution Radio, episode 22.
Coming to you this day, Tuesday, December 2nd, 2003.
I am StankDawg.
And I am joined by one of our favorite co-hosts on the show today, Voodoo Hal.
Welcome back to the show.
Man, I'm so touched.
What's up, everybody?
And we have a very, very big announcement, breakthrough.
What do we, I don't even know how to describe our big...
Changing, life altering.
Yeah.
When we get, okay, we're gonna do a little housekeeping first.
When we got an announcement, we found some information.
Not through any subversive means.
We just actually bothered to read and pay attention to what's going on.
Whereas, apparently, a lot of other people have not.
And we will talk about that in a little bit.
But like I said, let's go straight into the housekeeping.
The smoking gun can wait, I guess.
First thing I want to talk about is some changes to Rant Radio.
Now, we've talked about in the past how Rant Radio has split into three channels.
And we are now streaming on the Rant Radio talk channel.
Now, obviously, we all know that because you're listening to us on that channel.
However, the change, the new thing now is that Rant Radio is going to begin airing past episodes of Binary Revolution Radio.
They're going to add them into the rotation and play back episodes during the day along with Sean Kennedy and their other regular shows.
So, we're going to hopefully reach a wider audience in the middle of the day, in the middle of the night.
If you feel like getting your Jones on for a little hacking information, you can catch up on those old shows.
Or if you're sitting at work and you want to listen, you can hop on to Rant Radio talk and check out.
They're going to be played in kind of a random order.
There's no control over what order they go in.
But I like to think, for the most part, they stand alone.
We don't really make it a habit of following.
We might follow up with some emails occasionally.
But for the most part, the shows stand alone, I think.
Is that the case?
Yeah, they seem to.
I like to keep them self-encompassed so that if you miss one, you don't really feel like you're out of the loop or anything.
So, they're going to start mixing those into the rotation, which is very cool.
Like I said, hopefully we'll get some new listeners with that.
For example, maybe people who go to Shoutcast or are looking for Hacking Radio, when they search,
we will start coming up on some of those searches.
If they do a search for hack and we happen to be on, they might find us and discover us that way and start listening.
So, that is a very good thing, and we are appreciative of Rant Radio for that.
And that should be happening really any day now, if it hasn't already, by the time this airs.
I've already uploaded the high-quality shows.
These are going to be the high-bit rate versions, like we always stream.
And they already have them at Rant Radio, so it's just a matter of getting them into the rotation,
which could be any day now.
So, that is very cool.
Oh, we have to throw in a reminder.
Again, this is December 2nd, so upcoming this Friday are 2,600 meetings.
This is December the 5th.
So, Friday after school, after work, make sure you head out to your local 2,600 meetings.
If you're a regular, by all means, make sure you go.
Don't miss it.
And if you're a newcomer, go check it out.
Feel it out.
See what you think.
It's December.
Everybody's in a good, happy mood.
I'm sure they'll be accommodating of new people.
So, anybody who wants to show up to the 2,600 meetings, I know Hal.
I know you guys are always very accommodating and welcoming of new people.
So, I think that's pretty much the general consensus for everybody.
We try to be open-armed, for lack of a better term.
I have actually quite a few emails to talk about.
The first one, and Hal, I don't know if you listened to last week's episode or not, but the last couple episodes, actually, we talked about Bluetooth a little bit on both of them.
Well, Nick84 sent me an email.
Good to hear from him again, by the way.
I haven't heard from him in a while.
I know he's been tied up with school and things like that.
So, good to hear from him.
But he emailed me and corrected me about the Blue Jack Q site that we mentioned, bluejackandtheletterq.com.
I mentioned on the show, and I talked about what bluejacking was, but I mentioned on the show that it was run and created by this 13-year-old kid running the site.
And how cool I thought that was to see a young person doing something like this and having fun with it.
It's very, very energizing, I guess is a good term, to see that.
Very, very good feeling.
But at some point, apparently, I must have said dude or something like that.
It was a 13-year-old dude.
Well, not exactly.
It turns out that the person running that site, who goes by the name Jelly Ellie, is a 13-year-old young lady.
So, I just wanted to set the record straight, just in case she was listening or someone was listening.
Let's put the truth out there.
There's a 13-year-old young lady running a very cool site.
Nothing changes there.
So, I just wanted to put that out there.
Thank you, Nick, for letting me know about that.
And I also got a couple emails about the other Bluetooth topic we talked about.
And that is snarfing, or the snarf attack, a Bluetooth snarf attack.
I mentioned that I had done some research and done some reading.
I've read the DEF CON presentation.
I've seen the posts to the vulnerabilities lists and stuff like that.
And I had some people cut and paste that stuff to me and send me links.
And they still do not have detailed information on how to do the snarf attack.
They all claim that it exists, and they claim that they can do it, but nobody posts proof of how to snarf using Bluetooth.
I still have not seen it.
Have you seen, VoodooHall, have you seen this in action, or have you heard details of how this works?
No, but I think I'm going to start doing some research on my own as well.
Yeah, I did some mediocre research.
I didn't do real, real deep.
I mean, I could really hit some underground stuff and look, but I did some pretty tentative searching,
some pretty medium searching, and I did not see any details.
It was just unsubstantiated claims, even some offers saying they could prove this to the press if need be.
Well, I'm the press.
Prove it to me.
I still haven't seen anything, so until I see some more details that I can question and go through it and go,
yeah, that sounds right, or no, that doesn't sound like it would work, or, you know, something like that,
I'm still not sold.
I'm not saying it's not true.
I'm just saying I have to see it to believe it, and that's pretty much my motto on life.
Well, you guys don't hear from me for about a month.
It's because I was arrested for stalking a suit who had a Bluetooth phone while doing testing.
Exactly.
What was the term you said earlier?
I jokingly referred to that as line-of-sight networking because of the limited range.
No, it was the personal area networks.
Personal area networks.
There's probably the not politically correct term, I guess you'd say, the official term.
I think that's what it is, yeah.
Sounds a little, well, I'll leave it alone.
Yeah.
So, if somebody wants to send me detailed information, I'd be glad to read it,
and I'm, again, looking on my own, but I just haven't seen anything.
I've been to bluesniff.schmoo.com.
That's like the site that's software that's supposed to be able to do some of this stuff.
Unfortunately, I don't have a Bluetooth phone that I can put this on and try some of this,
or I can test against the phone anyway.
So, I can't try the actual software, but even reading about the software,
I didn't see any detailed specs saying that it could snarf and how it could snarf and I don't know.
So, a friend of mine made a good point today in class.
He just bought a new Mac, and we were talking about Bluetooth keyboards and things like that.
And Microsoft actually sends a small Bluetooth, I don't know what to call it, base transmitter, I guess,
for the people who don't already have Bluetooth support.
So, I'm wondering if you could just buy one of those, pop it onto your USB drive,
and run around with it like it was a standard Bluetooth device, or not necessarily device,
but a Bluetooth transmitter, receiver, base station thing.
Hmm.
Well, you'd have to write some kind of application interface to gather information and put it to the USB drive.
Right.
And I don't know, I wouldn't know really where to begin with that, actually.
Something that's constantly active as though a server or a TSR program,
but you can't execute something on a, well, anyway, I don't know.
Potentially, yeah, I guess it's an interesting idea.
Don't know if it could actually work.
Oh, and, yeah, so if somebody has information on snorting, you know how to get in touch with us.
I also have a correction to last week.
Well, I guess this is a second one, because actually mentioning Jelly Ellie calling her a dude was a mistake,
so I apologize there.
But I also just had just a total brain fart last week when I was talking,
I guess because I had my mind in the whole cell phone thing,
I mistakenly, I was talking about the treasure hunt game,
and I accidentally said GSM.
It's not GSM.
I had cell phone on the brain or something.
I had my technologies mixed up.
What I meant to say, and obviously, and several people pointed this out,
is GPS, global positioning system.
That's what I was meant to say, and somehow I said the wrong thing.
Now, the game I was talking to, I did do some subsequent research,
and it's called Geocaching, G-E-O-C-A-C-H-I-N-G.com,
and there are others besides that one, but that's the particular one.
And it is, like I described, it's a treasure hunt,
where people can go out there and post the absolute coordinates
of where they've buried these time capsules and treasures and stuff like that,
and then people can go on there and find that and take their GPS device.
See, I got it right that time, GPS device, and go out there and find that.
So, correcting myself, that was just a total slip of the tongue.
So, anybody who is interested in that, definitely go check that out.
And in the forums, there is a thread started for that now by the person correcting me.
So, I'm sure he would be happy, he or she, I think it's a he, would be happy.
Well, see, I shouldn't say that, and I'll be doing a correction next week.
We'll just say this person would probably be happy.
Oh, we've got to be PC now?
Yeah, we've got to be careful, I guess.
Well, you know what?
No, because I'm about to go slap off in a couple seconds with a patented stank dog rant.
But before I do, let me just...
Get the mothers out of the room, get the kids in the next...
Yeah, I...
You know what?
And at the top of my show notes, and you can vouch for this,
and anybody who's been on the show can vouch,
at the very top of my show notes, I list the intro music,
I put a note to remind myself to start the timer,
which we always go over.
I never got in a 60-minute show in there less.
And I have a note that says,
Control your language, don't curse so much.
I just deleted it this week.
I knew there's no way I'm going to do this,
because it's about one of my favorite companies,
and yes, that's sarcasm.
Well, you know what?
Let me just close up.
Okay, let me just round out the housekeeping section.
That was it.
Geocaching.com, if you want to check out what I mentioned.
And like I said, go to the forums,
and there's at least one thread out there,
and I'm sure there's other people that might be interested.
So, go check that out.
And that's all I have for the old mailbag.
Now, before I talk about my rant,
you know what?
Let me get a sip of iced tea here before I blow my throat out.
Okay.
The nectar of life when you live in the South, right?
Yeah, exactly.
Got to have my super sweet iced tea.
Homemade, by the way.
Well, of course.
Lots of high fructose toys.
Exactly.
Got to put all that sugar in there.
It's not sweet.
It's not good sweet iced tea,
unless when you're done with a pitcher,
there's still sugar granules left in the bottom.
That's good iced tea.
Anyway, I spent the beginning of this week,
I finally got some time.
We had the holidays.
I was off for a couple days,
and had a nice long four-day weekend.
And I finally got caught up on a lot of little things
that I had left not finished,
and in particular, my writing.
When I write, I've got several articles
that are pretty close to being completed
and in various stages of being completed.
But I don't like to just...
I like to take my time and edit my own work.
I'm very critical.
I want to go back and make sure I find any spelling mistakes,
grammar mistakes, factual mistakes, of course.
I don't want to put anything in there that's incorrect.
So I'm very picky.
I don't just finish it,
give it the once-over, and send it out.
I like to sit on it for a couple days,
look at it again like a week later with fresh eyes
to make sure that I can understand
and comprehend my own writing.
So I had several articles in that stage.
So during the holidays,
I finally put the finishing touches
on some of those articles.
I sent two into 2,600.
I already had one into 2,600 about a month ago.
I'm not sure if that got in in time
or if they just weren't interested in it.
But that makes a total of three articles
into 2,600 right now.
And I also sent one into Frack for the first time.
I've never submitted anything to Frack.
And frankly, I'm a little skeptical on this one
because while I like it,
I think it's a really good article
and how, without giving the topic away,
this is the one I had sent you to proofread
to help proofread one time.
Right.
I sent you a very early version of it
and I went through and edited it myself,
formatted it well,
and the format that Frack likes.
But it's very much a mathematics
and statistics article
and less really on computing directly.
It's an underground topic in mathematics
and it's an interesting,
at least I thought it was,
but I'm not sure if they're only going to do strictly computers
and historically that is what they do.
So I don't know if it's really their style of content,
but I figured I'd give them a shot
and see what they thought of it
and if not, then we'll take it somewhere else.
And other than those,
I started editing the 1.3,
BinRev 1.3 submissions.
So, that is still ongoing.
That takes some time
because we got some really detailed articles this time
and I'm working on that.
Unfortunately, it's going a little slow.
I've been swamped at work,
but we are.
It is still in process.
It's going and it will be out
as soon as we can possibly get it out to you.
So, I appreciate everybody that's asking for it
and we will try to get it out to you ASAP.
Duel is helping and offered to help
do some editing
and Logan, he's basically waiting on us
to get him some stuff to get going.
So, it is in process.
Now, did you have...
Before I go into this...
I just know I'm not going to be able to control myself.
So, maybe you should...
You should bring something up for a second
before I go...
Just slap off.
Uh, unfortunately, I've been a lazy ass
since the last time I was on
doing pretty much nothing for the most part.
Well, real life.
I know you've been working some sick hours lately.
Oh, God.
Yeah, 10 straight days, 12 hours a day.
Woo!
Count them, 120 hours.
Mo' money, mo' money, mo' money.
No shit.
Find a new server.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, and you've got some very good plans for that.
Actually, you know, maybe...
Is this a good time to talk about that?
Or did you want to keep that under wraps
until you actually implement?
Uh, which one are we talking about?
The big L?
Yeah.
I don't know.
We could talk about that.
I think people would be interested in it.
Yeah, I know your other server that you're talking about.
Yeah, you can...
Why don't you talk about that...
Talk about that project for a few minutes.
All right.
Well, one thing I've suggested with everybody,
and hopefully we're going to do it,
is setting up an LDAP server,
which is, for me, if you don't know what it is,
lightweight directory services.
And what we're going to try to do is...
And add a couple little hacks to the board as well
so that people who use net meeting or no meeting,
which they both should work just fine
and use the same protocols,
can access them and show who's online
and what we can do is hopefully have
the site underneath someone's name on their post
and show if they're available to chat
and basically do voice communication through the board
and have this LDAP directory
so that we can have this kind of thing.
Yeah, I think that's very cool.
It's not the same as a conference.
It's not the same as a con line,
but at least we'd have a lot more control over it.
You'd have control over who you connected to, obviously,
so you wouldn't connect to guests
or people who are going to mess around.
And you can actually...
Is this going to...
It can be chat.
It can be voice.
Are we also going to support video?
Hell, I mean, it's supported by the team,
so it's nothing that we have to necessarily support.
So if the two people...
Already supported, yeah.
As long as the two people have their video cameras or something set up,
we can have this so that two people can chat to each other in real time,
face-to-face.
Exactly.
It could be very, very cool.
And, of course, it's not required.
You can do voice.
You can do whatever.
But, yeah, basically, any time,
as long as the other person is online,
I think that's a very, very cool thing.
I'm looking forward to it.
I think it could be fun anyway.
And for everyone who decides to go with video,
remember to turn that auto-accept invitations off
because no one wants to see your naked ass
when you've just got out of the shower.
Exactly.
Oh, look, StankDawg's on the phone.
I won't put any clothes on.
I'll just IM him right away with my camera on.
Or even where somebody messages you,
and if you've got it automatically set up to accept,
you don't know about it.
Oh, Vida Guerrero, you're so hot.
Bling!
Oh, oh, oh, I'm sorry.
That was embarrassing.
Do I see Bland dancing around in his room
singing the sound of music?
Yeah.
Buck naked with a sock hanging from his crotch.
That's a great visual.
And his big, well-hung dog trailing around behind him.
Boy, there's an image to put in everyone's mind.
Okay, well, you know what?
Speaking of images, I might as well get this over with.
I am so insanely pissed off.
See, I took the language warning off
because I am just so fucking pissed off at America Online.
I have AOL Instant Messenger.
I don't particularly like Trillion.
Yeah, don't send me hate mail.
I just, it doesn't, Trillion has never supported video conferencing and audio and stuff like that in the past.
I don't know if it does now.
Don't even bother trying to convince me.
I prefer just having the separate clients running and starting them up when I want to use them.
So, A-O-fucking-L, in their infinite wisdom, has decided,
everybody knows that there's the little, I don't know if you call it a banner ad,
but that little button ad thing that's at the top of the AOL Instant Message client,
they're, they have decided now to send streaming fucking video down there
instead of just being a picture or a graphic that I can ignore,
and I've gotten really good at ignoring banner ads.
I don't even see them half the time unless they pop up at me or make noise.
I've got a streaming fucking movie blaring at me
through the AOL Instant Message chat client.
That's fucking sick!
That's absolutely sick and too damn intrusive.
They've, they've completely blown any chance of being a corporate office-used application.
You can't have AOL Messenger and all of a sudden,
you're streaming movies and sound through people's speakers in the middle of their office place.
It's ludicrous.
I don't even know who sat around and came up with this idea.
Whoever it is needs to be kicked dead square on in the balls and or cooch,
whatever the case may be.
I'm so pissed off that it's not even, it's not even good
because, it's not even executed well, I should say,
because it locks the damn client up.
I can't even click on the X to kill it.
It's not even, you know, it's, it locks up the system.
I have to go to Task Manager and kill the damn process to get rid of the stupid thing.
It's the dumbest idea that I've ever heard of.
Whatever executive or whatever, whoever made this decision,
they want to squeeze every bit of advertising they can.
They're going to put these obtrusive, intrusive, excuse me, ads on these things.
The next thing it's going to be, you know, they're, they're delivering it obviously.
They can deliver this type of content.
And everybody hates those, what are they, flash ads, like the Hulk ad that came out for a while there,
and all those cars where the car races across your browser screen and stuff.
Now, with AOL Messenger, what's going to stop that from just being completely on my screen?
Damn Ford Escort races across my screen.
Buy Ford.
Fuck you.
I am going to uninstall this damn client and switch to Trilliant out of sheer principle,
or, unfortunately, there's too many people that are using AIM that I need to communicate with.
I would switch completely to one of the other clients.
But the more dangerous thing about this is, besides the fucking annoyance factor of the whole thing,
is, when you right click on that, if it's not locked up and frozen, which it is 99% of the time,
if you right click on the ad itself, there are properties to that.
And you can look under the properties, under the, I forget what it's called, statistics, properties, info, something like that.
It tells you what, what codecs are used.
I don't remember installing any fucking codecs.
AOL, if you are pushing this fucking software without asking me, without permission,
if you are forcing codecs onto my system that could potentially interfere with the operation of my computer,
that's fucked up and it's damn right illegal.
You cannot install software on my system without my accepting the licensing agreement.
And I don't remember seeing in the AOL client, and I haven't updated it in a long time,
I find it hard to believe it's been dormant all this time, as part of the client.
I think they pushed, I'm popping my P's in the microphone,
I think they pushed the codec down through their client and installed it on my system without my permission,
video and audio codecs, and then the content behind it.
And if that's true, that is a lawsuit waiting to happen.
My system has been screwed up.
It's been crashing, it doesn't want to reboot sometimes.
Yeah, it's because it's Windows XP, which sucks dog ass.
But on top of that, now, I don't know if AOL has installed some shit on it that's conflicting with something else.
It's not compatible with my video or sound card.
Who knows?
You've added an X factor that most people don't know about that could potentially...
I mean, what if this was a production system in an office environment or a server or something?
Obviously, ideally, you wouldn't want the messenger client on some type of server like that.
But, you know, in an office somewhere that can have it,
and you're taking down people's work machines?
That's a lawsuit waiting to happen.
If somehow, some office gets screwed up or loses data,
oh my God, sell your AOL Time Warner stock,
because they are about to get sued the fuck out of the water.
You know, it's...
I don't think I've given this out in a while.
I'm going to give AOL the fucktard, the fucknut of the month award.
I'm going to switch it to the fucktard of the month award.
They're fucking idiots.
I don't know how else to say...
I can't...
I don't think I can say it without bad words,
because there aren't any polite words good enough to get the point across.
They're fucking idiots.
Well, let's have a little history lesson real quick.
Back in the day, some people may remember these things called dial-up modems
that connected at slow-ass speeds.
Now then, your average home user with a dial-up modem would connect
and maybe start up AIM.
Can you imagine now having to download video that you didn't want to have
or didn't want to see now being downloaded for you on your slow-ass dial-up modem?
Yeah.
There are still people at 56k.
There's still people at 28.8 and probably less out there in some places.
And, yeah, streaming audio and video?
Forget about it.
It's just...
It's greedy, greedy advertising.
They're looking for advertising dollars.
I've said it on the show many times.
It's the almighty dollar.
That's what it all comes down to.
They want to get a couple extra bucks from this movie,
and I'm not even going to say the name of the movie
because fuck them.
They're not getting any advertising from me.
They can suck my hairy nutsack before I mention their name on the air.
They get the fuck nut of the month award.
AOL...
Fuck you, AOL Time Warner.
Take that clip.
Repeat it 500 times.
Fuck you, AOL Time Warner.
500 times.
And that's how I feel about it.
Now, there was an article in 2600,
probably, gosh, maybe even a year or more ago
about blocking those ads.
Do you have any idea if that still works
or did they fix that in a later client or something?
I have no idea,
but I'm assuming it's probably requesting it from somewhere.
So if you can figure out which ad server it's requesting it from
and block it at the firewall level,
it's a toast anyway.
Yeah.
Unless they're going to bring it back over the same port
that you're connected on,
which I seriously doubt.
Well, you know, the easier solution is what I said.
Just get the fuck rid of it.
Exactly.
I think maybe it's time for me to give Trillian a try again.
Maybe that's my excuse to give Trillian a shot again.
With a nice theme, Trillian can be all right.
You know, the default theme looks pretty ugly.
Well, does it still lack support for video and audio conferencing
through the individual protocols?
Yeah, I believe so.
But that's the file to use games, so.
Hmm.
Yeah, all right.
Well, I'm going to have to do a little research
and come up with another solution
because I am not about to have that...
Now, I'll never know.
I'll also never have peace of mind
whether my system is screwed up
because they've installed something on it.
It's called a virus.
It's illegal.
You installed some shit on my computer
without my permission.
It's only legal when big business doesn't do it.
Yeah, exactly.
Exactly.
And what else?
You know, I'm supposed to trust AOL Time Warner.
That's all.
Oh, no, it was only video and audio codecs.
Well, did you pull information at the same time?
Did you scan my computer for something?
Did you...
I don't know what the hell you've done.
You've crossed a...
Well, there's also a great, great, great hack.
Can you imagine all these, like, corporate clients
who've all decided to use AIM,
and if you could manage to intercept that stream
and have, like, a porn video
running that top thing for everybody?
Oh, man.
That would be great.
How embarrassing would that be?
That's why I said they've blown any chance
of being a corporate solution.
You know, I use AOL Messenger at work
to communicate with other people at work
on for work topics.
And there are several companies right now
competing to get that niche market of only
because companies, corporations,
don't like the big messengers
because they know that people have a tendency
to get on and chat with friends and family online.
And they don't want you to do that, obviously.
You're at work.
You should only be communicating
with your fellow employees.
So they're rolling out corporate solutions
to give you instant messaging
within the corporation, within the company
that won't reach outside.
It's customized for internal use only.
And a lot of those are custom versions
of existing clients.
I think Yahoo has a corporate version
that you can use Yahoo's protocols
and software to do.
Lotus makes one, I believe.
I don't know what theirs is called
or what it's based on,
but Lotus has one that integrates
with the notes package
and all their other stuff
for internal communication.
AOL just blew any shot at that.
There went all their credibility.
So those guys trying to squeeze
a little extra couple pennies
out of advertising
blew an entire potential market.
So good job.
Way to think ahead, guys.
It's fucktards.
Well, what's even worse
is not only having your corporate users
chatting with their friends and family
and whoever the hell else they want at work,
where a world constantly communicates
back to the home server.
Constantly.
And in an environment with 5,000 users,
you could probably consume a T1
with just the data from AIM
if you have 5,000 plus users.
Oh, man.
I'm going to have to...
Well, I don't know what I'm going to do.
I'm probably going to switch to Trillian.
Probably going to switch to Trillian
or something similar.
Well, with that out of the way,
I think I might maintain some control
because the rest of the show for me
is going to be pretty fun, I think.
Oh, yeah.
This is definitely going to be fun.
And actually, this might be, I guess,
we're talking about, you know,
we're in our little personal hacking section
and I know what you've been spending time,
besides all the work and stuff,
is you were doing a little undercover work.
Is that a good...
Yeah, maybe a little.
So, how do you want to start this one?
Well, I guess...
Well...
Hmm.
You know, this is just so funny
and I don't know...
There's no delicate way to approach it.
Yeah, fuck it.
There's no...
Basically, the big hack, guys.
The big hack.
And boy, is it.
I am coming right out on the radio right now
to tell you the big hack
is definitely a big hack.
So, for all of you,
you've seen about it,
you've heard about it,
you've heard people raving about it.
No pun intended.
You've heard people talking about
what this project is.
But,
the irony here,
the funny,
the humor to me, anyway,
is not what this project
is supposed to be,
but it's what this project
actually is.
Is it the big hack?
Is it a big hack?
Yes.
I'd have to say it is.
Is that...
You think?
Oh, definitely.
Probably one of the biggest
I've seen in a while.
It is a big hack, alright.
Let me...
You know what?
Probably the best thing
is to read...
Give me a little leeway here
and let me read this to you
because I think
this explains it better.
The short version is
that the big hack
is fiction.
Now, what do I mean by that?
Because even I had to read
a couple times
because my jaw dropped.
I'm like,
what?
Let me read to you
the description
written by the creators
of the big hack.
and that is...
This information comes
from Hackback.org.
Here's the people
that are running
the big hack.
H-A-C-K-B-A-C-K.
Hackback.org.
Quote,
The site you are about
to enter
is fiction.
The story takes place
in the present day
at the present time.
Many current events
will make their way
into the story.
Please do not fool yourself
into confusing this
with reality.
It is not.
This is entirely fiction.
It is simply
a fun house
for your intellect.
Think of the big hack
as a high-tech,
quote,
host your own
murder mystery dinner.
Like any book or play,
it has been completely
authored in advance.
It will progress
from introduction
through pre-planned
story threads
and build to a final
intriguingly scripted
climax.
It will not seem
like this is impossible.
It is.
Do not fool yourself.
Many will.
Oh, many will.
Many did.
Many have.
The big hack
is immersive fiction.
Those are your words,
people.
Immersive fiction.
And if,
to take a pause
out of reading here
for a second,
we talked,
Rax and I mentioned
about how immersive
the matrix was
and how you felt
like you were a part of it.
Immersive fiction
is what this is.
Now,
go back to reading this.
The big hack
is immersive fiction.
The characters
in this interactive world
will not acknowledge
this truth.
Please do not
attempt to induce
them to.
This merely points
out the obvious,
much like telling
the person next to you
in a theater
that the movie
is not real.
This behavior
is considered
annoying and childish.
Repeated attempts
to do so are grounds
for inactivating
your character.
there is one other
restriction on use
of the big hack.
Okay,
now listen carefully
to this voodoo house
because this is the problem.
Okay,
there is one other
restriction on use
of the big hack.
Due to the potential
for confusion,
external linking
to the big hack.org
site
is expressly
prohibited,
including all URLs
within the big hack.org
in the domain
using any protocol.
This includes
the root page
as well as
all subpages.
Linking by search engines
is also
expressly prohibited.
Now,
I hope everyone
listening,
I emphasized the words,
I read that
as clearly as I could
with my southern accent.
God,
I got an urge
for a snow cone
right now.
I'm going to
summarize
what we just read.
This is the land
of make-believe people.
We're back on
Mr. Rogers'
neighborhood here.
The big hack
is
fake.
Anybody who
thinks that you
are writing
some kind of
application
that's going to
blow the lid
off the copyright
industry
and you
think you're
over there
posting thousands
of posts
and getting all
into this project,
you
are being
played.
Literally.
Like a game.
Because it
is a game.
It's
fiction.
The problem
was that last
paragraph.
And actually,
they're contradicting
themselves in this.
It says
that they will
not acknowledge
this truth.
They don't want you
to talk about it.
Don't ask them
to talk about it.
They want you
to be immersed
or they don't
want you to
come out
and admit
that it's
fake.
Yet at the
same time,
if nobody
knows it's
fake,
everybody
thinks it's
real.
So everybody
over there,
I'd be just
insanely
interested to
find out who
knows what
they're doing
and why they're
doing it and
that this is
a big,
and I
apologize for
saying this,
but a big
waste of
time if you
think you're
developing a
productive,
useful application
that is.
It's not a waste
of time in that
you could possibly
learn a lot from
it and writing
some code and
stuff.
But if you
think you're in
some big
world-changing
event,
you're not.
You're in a
choose-your-own-adventure
story.
You remember
those from when
we were a kid?
Turn to page
437 for
Do you swing
your sword at
the ogre or
do you cast
your spell?
Turn to page
This is
completely
fiction and I
find it
utterly amazing.
From the
get-go,
fundamentally,
I had problems
with the whole
concept of
this would never
hold up in any
court.
Copyright would
eat this alive.
It's not
fundamentally sound.
It's not based
on a good
foundation.
And we've
talked about that
before and that's
why I purposely
stayed away from
the whole thing
and stayed away
from the topic.
But as far as
it being the
big hack,
this thing
fished in
several people,
hundreds if not
thousands,
easily hundreds
that are registered
on the site and
stuff like that,
including
someone very
close to this
conversation.
Yeah,
I don't know
who.
Yeah,
of course you
were undercover
for the good of
the team,
but a lot of
people got fished
in and are
partaking in this
and putting their
everything into
this and not
knowing that
they're being
played.
And that's not
cool in my
personal opinion.
I guess we
could call this
the big irony
is the next
thing about
the submission
of content.
Yeah,
you know,
the second
part of this
story is,
well,
first of all,
hackback.org.
They're giving
contradictory messages
like I said.
If you look on
the site and
read, and by all
means, don't take
our word for it,
go check it out
and read it for
yourself and find
out that it's fake
because they have
other upcoming
projects as well.
They come out
and say that
they don't want
to come out
and admit that
it's fake.
They don't want
to tell anybody.
Does anybody
know that
hackback.org
is actually
fronting the
big hack?
Everybody thinks
that the big
hack.org is its
own thing,
this digital
dowd or digital
dude, which
sounds awfully
close to digital
dog pound,
but I'm not
even going to
go there.
Or running
some big,
you know,
this is some
big hacking
breakthrough,
this big hack.
Well, no.
And here's
the super
irony of the
whole thing.
You know
what the
whole story
and idea
is based
on?
It's a
little something
called the
big con.
Ironically,
they conned
a lot of
people into
this.
So, this
is just
hilarious to
me.
Absolutely
hilarious.
Now,
what Buddha
Hal was
alluding to
is I'm
going to
do a
little bit
more reading
for you
because if
you do
some more
reading on
the details
of this
and their
disclaimers
and their
legal mumbo
jumbo,
for lack
of a better
term,
I stumbled
across this
little tidbit.
It's number
seven on their
legals page.
It's submission
of content
on this
website.
And it
says,
quote,
by providing
any content
to our
website,
A,
you agree
to grant
to us
a worldwide,
royalty-free,
perpetual,
non-exclusive
right and
license,
including any
moral rights
and other
necessary rights
to use,
display,
reproduce,
modify,
adapt,
publish,
distribute,
perform,
promote,
archive,
translate,
and to
create derivative
works and
compilations,
in whole or
in part.
Such license
will apply
with respect
to any
form,
media,
technology
known or
later
developed.
If you
send us
creative
suggestions,
ideas,
notes,
drawings,
or other
information,
collectively
referred to
now as
the
submissions,
the
submissions
shall be
deemed
and shall
remain the
property of
hackback
media.
None of
the submissions
shall be
subject to
any obligation
of confidence
on the part
of hackback
media,
and hackback
media shall
not be
liable for
any use
or disclosure
of any
submissions.
Without
limitation of
the foregoing,
hackback
media shall
exclusively own
all now
known or
hereafter
existing rights
to the
submissions of
every kind
and nature
throughout the
universe and
shall be
entitled to
unrestricted
use of the
submissions for
any purpose
whatsoever,
commercial or
otherwise,
without
compensation to
the provider of
the submissions.
voodoo
hell,
why don't
you translate
that?
You can
translate that
very short
and easily.
Well,
basically,
anything that
you do for
this site,
it belongs to
them.
Which,
the irony to
that is,
the whole thing
about the big
hack was to
prove that
digital copyright
didn't exist,
or is not
valid,
I should say,
but yet they
want to copyright
everything that
you do.
that's brilliant.
That's just,
that's a slap
in the face.
That's a slap
in the face,
right?
That's what
that is.
Oh,
man.
Now,
I know I'm
going to get a
lot of hate
mail about this
too,
by the way,
for airing this
out,
but hey,
I'm not the
one that got
fished in,
that's all I'm
saying.
Yeah,
they,
you know,
and what is
the point of
this?
A,
I don't like,
I'm disappointed
that,
like I said
earlier,
there is something
to be gained
from this,
okay?
Let's not
completely take
everything away.
If someone
goes on here
and learns how
to write some
programs and
how to,
organization of
putting together
a plan and
going through
and,
you know,
working together,
and there's a
lot of stuff
that could be
taken out of
this,
but,
all of that
work towards
a fictional
goal seems
a little wasteful
to me.
There are so
many other
things that
your time
could have
been spent
on that
were real.
Yeah,
lots and
lots of
time that
could have
been spent
on real
things and
not fictional
things.
There's nothing
wrong with
fiction and
if they're
enjoying it,
I'm not
putting them
down whatsoever,
but my
gut tells
me that
almost everyone
except maybe
the creator
and one or
two people,
they come
right out and
claim that
they have
actors.
They have
plants in
this game
whose job
it is to
push the
plot and
story along.
They have
actors in
this.
Ironically,
the actors
aren't allowed
to tell
anything or
say that
it's fake,
which to
me seems
like,
I don't
know if
entrapment
is the
word,
but how
can you
not tell
somebody,
you're not
allowed to
tell them
that they're
part of
a game,
are you
also not
telling them
that they've
waived all
of their
copyrights for
the work
that they put
into this
project and
that you can
take it
right out
from under
them without
even telling
them that it
was coming in
the first
place?
I mean,
isn't that
crum?
that they
added that
terms and
conditions
thing down
at the
bottom,
but that's
about it.
It's the
only forewarning.
Yeah,
I mean,
it's very
misleading to
say the
least.
To say the
least,
it's very
misleading.
So,
you know,
I'm not
sure,
I mean,
they are
admitting that
it's fiction.
You just
have to look
real hard to
find that.
And even
that,
they make it
sound so
cryptic,
and the
way they
word it
carefully to
say,
you know,
that it's,
they try to
still,
even with the
choice of
words,
make it look
like it's
still towards
a worthwhile
or towards
a legitimate
goal.
That goal,
however,
they own
100%.
So,
let's say,
let's take
this on,
let's see how
this could
possibly play
out.
A,
the game
plays out to
the very
end and
they archive
the whole
thing.
And or
publish it
somehow and
get paid and
sell advertising
on it.
Even put it
into a book
form or
something or
use names and
likenesses or
something like
that and
make money
off of it.
B,
let's say
for some,
let's say
somehow,
which is,
again,
this is highly
unlikely why
I've had
problems
fundamentally
with it,
but let's
say for
sake of
argument that
the whole
system,
whatever they
called it,
off or
whatever that
system is
called,
of breaking
down copyright
law and
their ways
around copyright
law,
their theory,
it's a good
sit around
drink and
beer idea.
Hey,
wouldn't it
be cool if
we separated
files using
a one-time
pad to
recreate?
You know,
hey,
yeah,
that does
sound fun.
Well,
then you're
supposed to
drop it.
But to
take it this
far to
actually go
towards this
project,
seems to
me like it's
doomed from
the get-go.
But anyway,
let's say
that it
did work,
and let's
say that
this whole
thing was
developed by
all these
quote,
players in
this game,
this interactive
fiction.
They have
the rights
to it.
The owners
of Hackback
have the
right to
that.
So all
that time
and work
that you
put into
it,
and they
turn around
and turn
it into
the next
Napster,
Kazaa,
multi-million
dollar file
sharing
application,
and they
got all
of the
hackers of
the world
to do
it for
them.
My God,
does the
name
Hackback
fit ever
so appropriately
because they
will have
hacked the
hackers,
and that
is elite.
It's
shameful.
It's
shameful for
some people,
but this
was the
ultimate feat
of social
engineering,
and still
is,
because the
people who
don't listen
to this
radio show
are going
to continue
to be
fished into
this and
not know
any better.
And anybody
who actually
goes over
there and
tries to
open their
eyes and
post maybe
a link to
the radio
show or
post in
the forums
that it's
fake or
whatever
information
they got,
they're not
allowed to,
and they
will be
banned for
it.
So how
do you get
to the
truth of
these people?
It's almost
like a
brainwashing,
like a
cult or
some weird,
I hate to
use that
word like
that,
but I
don't know
how else
to describe
it or
to use
it.
It's like,
hey,
all the
people on
this site,
you can't
tell them
that we're
screwing
them.
You can't
come in
and tell
them you're
not allowed.
You have
to leave
them to
their
delusions.
So I
don't know
what to do
about this.
I can bring
it out on
the show
and I can
air it out
and I can
tell everybody
it's a
big con.
It's a
big con.
It's a
big hack.
There's no
doubt it
is the
big hack.
It lives
up to
its
namesake.
But people
know what
you're in
for.
If you
know and
understand that
you are
participating in
a game,
a piece of
interactive
fiction,
immersive
fiction,
and you
accept that
and you're
okay with
it and you
know that
they have
full rights
to everything
and you're
just doing
it because
you enjoy
it,
hey,
we have
no problems.
Have fun.
I back
you 100%,
but I don't
think everybody
knows.
Am I way
off here?
Do you
think?
I'm sure
that there
are very few
people that
have any
clue as to
what's going
on.
The really
funny part is
trying to
figure out who
the hell does
know what's
really going
on.
The other
great thing
from this,
the funniest
part that
we're going
to have is
the fallout.
The fallout
from this is
going to be
people going,
oh, oh, no,
I knew all
along.
I knew it
wasn't real.
Come on.
I knew the
whole time.
Yeah, I was
just acting.
I was just
playing along
with the whole
thing.
Yeah, that's
going to be
fun.
The spin
control is
going to be
great.
Man.
Dude, I
can't believe
we just
outed this.
See, I
mean, did
you feel the
same way I
do?
I instant
messaged this
to you,
remember?
Yeah.
And when I
first saw it,
I was so
shocked, frankly,
and so
amazed.
I'm like,
could I
possibly be
reading what
I just, am
I understanding
this correctly?
And I sent
it to you,
and I'm like,
does this
sound to you
the same way
it sounds to
me, or is
this really
what I think
it is?
I mean, that
feeling, remember
that feeling,
as we both
read that?
Yeah, I
had to read
it quite a
few times.
Yeah, I
could, because
out of disbelief
is why, out
of pure, I'm
like, no,
they didn't.
No, he
couldn't
possibly have,
I think he
did.
No, no, he
couldn't possibly
have just
snowed, but
yeah, he
did, it's
completely,
oh.
Exactly.
You know
what, I'm
going to send
a thank
you, I'm
going to send
a thank
you to
Hackback,
because that
made my
week, that
made my
month, that
made my
year.
That was
the most
elite hack
that I've
seen in a
long time.
I'm giving
credit for that.
I don't like
it, I think
some people are
going to get
screwed and
made to look
like idiots
and look like
fools because
they got caught
up in it,
but damn, that
was cool.
Hell yeah.
That was
elite.
And that's
what you get
for blindly
following anything
in life.
I'm going to
turn this into
a moral, this
is like a
Aesop's fable.
Don't just
follow people.
Read, research,
understand what
you're in.
The information
was there.
I found it.
Do a little
bit of research
and you could
have seen that
this was all
fake.
Could have
known that it
was all fake.
And, no,
people just
sign up, create
an account, start
playing along, start
writing code, start
buying into the
whole thing, going
out to other
message boards,
posting, hey, you
guys, come check
this out, linking
directly to the
site, which they
say is a violation
of their rules.
They do not want
you linking directly
to the big hack.
They want you to
link to
hackback.org.
Legally, that
covers them.
They can say, hey,
we told people not
to do it.
And they can't
police the whole
thing.
You can't know
what search
engines have
found your
page and
marked it.
I didn't check
the robots.txt file
to see if they're
excluding or what
they're excluding.
But it could be on
any search engine
you do not know.
And all the
users that you
got, you don't
know where they've
posted it.
You don't know
where they've
spread the word
to.
And if those
sites don't get
search engines,
you're never going
to find them.
Unless you want to
look through your
logs and follow
back every link.
And then you're
going to take it
upon yourself of all
the maintenance of
going to every
forum and going,
no, no, no,
don't link to that
site.
Link to this
site, please.
There's a simple
solution that's
just to, um,
if you, because
most of their
sites, PHP boards
and things like
that, it's just
searching for the
referrer when
somebody accesses
it.
Right.
Not just saying,
yeah, fuck you,
you didn't come
from the right
place.
Oh, wait, I
just cussed.
Uh-oh.
Oh, damn.
Oh, no.
Oh, darn.
Shit.
Oh, no.
Oh, man.
Anyway, I guess
we're done with
that.
I still think
that's hilarious
and that's going
to sit with me
for a long time.
That's funny.
Should we give
them the contact
information to send
them thank you
letters?
Um, you know, I
have it here in the
notes and I'm not
sure if that would
be, no, I'm not,
no, I don't think
we should.
Hackback.org, if
they want it, they
can go and read.
Let's make them,
now that their
eyes have been
open, go read and
go find out.
And if you want
to send them a
thank you or a
fuck you, find the
information there.
He's got contact
information.
He's actually a
pretty nice guy.
I contacted him
on something, took
care of it, no
problem.
When I say he
being a nice guy,
I'm saying the
person who's
running Hackback.org.
And again, you can
find out who that
is by going to
their site.
And, um, he's
actually a pretty
nice guy, or at
least he was to
me.
I just don't
like the idea
that these people
are being misled.
And I guess that's
all I have to say
about that.
So, why don't we
move on to a
couple quick,
smaller topics
here.
We've got a
little bit of,
actually we're
right about time,
but let's hit a
couple quick topics.
Um, one is, um,
back, here we go
back to Bluetooth
again.
I thought we'd
gotten all the
Bluetooth out of
our system.
But this is
something I thought
cool, and it's
very short, and
that is the new
2004 Toyota Prius
or Prius?
How do you
pronounce it, the
hybrid engine, the
hybrid car?
Is it Prius?
I would say
Prius, but, you
know, that's me
being illiterate.
Right.
I think it's
pronounced Prius,
but Prius, Prius,
however it's called.
They have a new
Toyota in 2004.
The new hybrid,
the new hybrid.
They had it in
2003.
They had it, you
know, it's been
around for a couple
years actually, but
the new model has
Bluetooth in it.
Bluetooth support
built into the
car.
You can have
hands-free, and
it's not the only
one.
It's in other
cars, but this
one is just doubly
cool because of
being a hybrid
engine.
But with the
Bluetooth, you can
just sit down in
with the car.
You don't have to
connect any wires.
You don't have to
hook anything into
your stereo.
Like my friend
had in his SUV,
you know, I
thought it was
really cool that
he could put his
phone into a
little coupler and
just use the
speakerphone while
driving down the
road, just free
voice using the
speakers.
It's built into
the car and the
receiver built into
the speakerphone.
That was cool.
Well, with this, it's
the same thing except
you don't even have
to drop it into the
coupler.
Just get in the
car.
Sit down.
You keep it in your
holster.
You keep it on your
belt.
You keep it in your
pocket, wherever.
The Bluetooth takes
over, connects with
the car, and bam, you
can talk through the
speakers, talk through
the speakerphone stuff
built into the car.
That's cool.
And it'll support up to
four, up to four
different ones you can
register.
Because the other
thing is, it'd be
funny if you walk
past a car with your
Bluetooth phone and
start talking on their
speakers inside the
car.
That could be funny.
War driving?
Is that a new form of
war driving?
Well, actually, I
don't know if you
remember my post a
while back when
somebody posted on
those robotic legs that
they were working on
for the elderly, but
they were going to,
they had this place,
that 802-11B.
So now not only do
you have an army of
robotic elderly people,
but now you have a
way to transport them.
Yes, you can take
over the world.
Yeah, just march them,
yeah, never mind.
The word lemmings
came to mind, but I
won't go there.
That's just evil.
Oh, God.
You can go to Florida
with all those old
people, so yeah, that
could work.
Exactly.
You can send them
east or west.
They're going to hit
water.
It doesn't matter.
Or alligator bait.
They'll be marching
to the sea.
I started off in such
a bad mood with the
whole AOL thing, but
God, I'm in such a
good mood because that
was such a great
story.
That was, you know,
we posted in the
forums that there was
a big announcement on
the show, and now you
know what it was.
Anyway, the Prius,
the Prius, whatever
it's called, hands-free,
register up to four
phones in it, so you
and your friend, your
friend gets in the
car, his phone, his
Bluetooth phone will
work just as easily as
yours, your mom, whoever
you have in the car,
whatever.
And like I said, that's
not, I think that's in
other cars, but it's
extra cool because in
the Prius, I'm going to
call it the Prius, I
don't know, in the
Prius that it's, because
of the hybrid engine,
you're getting 60 miles
per gallon on the
highway and 51 in the
city.
That is elite.
That is an amazing
piece of machinery, and
people should be excited
about that.
It's gotten more power in
this latest one.
The problem is the
power.
So, as they start
refining and get this
working in, where they
can start putting some
more and more power into
it, it's not bad.
It's getting better and
better.
It's almost able to
compete with pretty much
any other low-end car in
a similar price range,
similar category.
But the fact that this
thing uses so much less
gasoline, and you can get
so much farther on it, and
the state of this country
right now, and the state
of the world right now, and
fuel crisis, and all the
troubles that spawn from
all the money involved
with that, screw the gas,
man.
Screw that.
Keep going in this
direction.
I fully support this.
This is a very, very,
very good thing.
And finally, one more
silly, fun little story,
and this is just, this
one makes me laugh, too.
Microsoft, our good
friends at my, we can't
have an episode without
something Microsoft.
Microsoft was awarded
a patent for, you ready
for this, for, you know
what, you go with this
story.
You tell them this
story, because I'm
about to laugh.
All right.
Microsoft was awarded a
patent for the, your
buddy is typing feature
on IM software.
Yeah, that's right.
That little fucking thing
that's quite annoying
sometimes.
Yeah, they have a patent
for it.
Microsoft has a patent
that soon, they will be
the only ones that can
have a little thing at
the bottom that says,
your buddy is typing.
Oh, yeah, that's earth
shattering right there.
Boy, is that not, I'm so
glad they got a patent
on that.
I just want to know if
there's a way to hack
that and change the
verbs out.
To say?
Your buddy is fucking,
what?
Your buddy is jacking
off right now.
What?
Wait, where did that
come from?
No.
Oh.
And, you know, they,
they were awarded the
patent.
That's the other thing.
The patent office, don't
even get me started on
what a joke that is.
Right.
You can patent so many
stupid things and they'll
give you these patents
that are just so ridiculous.
Is anybody really, is it
going to change the
instant message war because
only one of them has that
feature?
Oh, well.
It's so important to me that
I know when my buddy is
typing that I have to use
the MSN messenger.
I can't use any other.
How will I ever know that
my buddy is typing?
I can see their new ad,
MSN, the stalker's choice.
Yeah.
It's so ludicrous.
It's so silly, but they
got it.
And, they really do.
They, they went after
this because they think
they're going to get a
leg up in the instant
message battle.
They think this is going
to give them the extra
market share because
there's so many people
out there sitting around
with their thumb up their
ass going, duh, is my
buddy typing?
Come on.
It's just ridiculous.
Just so stupid.
How many, how much
money do you think, ah,
forget it.
Let's, let's wrap the
show up, man.
Let's, let's close out.
This was a fun, fun
topics on this show.
Um, oh man.
Let's close and let's
remind people again that
this Friday, the 5th it
is, right?
Did I say the 5th?
Yeah.
December the 5th, I think
it is.
This Friday anyway.
Yeah, the 5th.
This Friday, your 2600
meetings.
Go to your 2600 meetings
or your DEF CON meetings
or your just hang out
with your geek friend.
Whatever you call it is
unimportant.
Traditionally, it's been
2600 meetings, but I know
there's others now and some
people are switching names
and it doesn't matter
what you call it.
Go to the meeting, hang out
with fellow hackers, have
fun, talk about hacking,
talk about security, have fun
and laugh at the big hack.
Have fun and laugh at
whatever, whatever it is
you want.
Go have fun, hang out,
meet people, develop some
networking, you know.
Just go do it.
Go have fun.
Um, shouts, um, I think
we both were going to send
shoutouts to N Theory today.
Um, N Theory was on, um,
Default Radio this past
week, um, with Decoder.
Shouts to him again for
being, he's, Decoder's just
so funny to me sometimes.
I was like, we, he and I
will just instant message
and laugh so, so much
during the day and I, I, I
come out of a meeting
frustrated and he makes me
laugh.
Uh, shouts to Decoder,
shouts to N Theory,
welcome back, man.
We're going to try to have
N Theory, if he can make it
on the show next week, uh,
or at least sometime in the
near future, get him back
in the show more often.
Um, very elite guy.
And, uh, did you have
anybody else?
Do you want to shout out
your snow cone buddies
at, uh, Freak Nick?
Shout out to Hillbilly
Hackers.
Hillbilly Hackers.
Although Rivera, without
him, I wouldn't have my
under, my undercover skills.
Yeah.
Now, also, um...
And for anybody who
doesn't get that little
end joke about the
Hillbilly Hackers, that
was like on, oh my gosh,
what episode?
The episode, go back
through the episode list
and search for Freak Nick
in the show notes and
re-listen to that episode
and you'll get the
little snow cone joke.
Uh, shout out to
Bland's well, apparently
well-hung dog.
Um, yeah, we have to
give a shout out to him.
Yeah, that's going to
have to make it in the
gallery at some point,
but I'm just scared.
Bland loves to
Photoshop Duel, and I,
that could get ugly.
That could get really
ugly, so I hope that
doesn't, I hope that
doesn't happen.
Oh, shout out to anybody
filling up the gallery.
The gallery's so fun to
look at, and there's so
many cool screenshots out
there.
Um, man, some people
just have so much more
artistic talent and
creativity than I do.
I love going out there
and looking at that
stuff.
Um, I guess that's it.
Did I interrupt you?
Did you have another?
No, that's it.
Are we done with the
shouts?
Alright, we are going to
close with another new
group.
It's called, they're
pronounced Shun, but it's
S-S-I-O-N, if you
want to search for it,
and of course we'll put
the link up.
And the song is called
Who's Your Favorite
Baby?
A little throwback, I
like that song.
Uh, email us, letters
at binrev.com.
And that is it.
So, voodoo howl.
When are we going to see
everyone again?
Next week.
Same hack time?
Same hack channel.
You got it.
Good night.
See you.
Thank you.
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Take out the trash, take out the trash, blow it all the way
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Hey, what's your major?
My major is fuck
Who's your favorite baby?
Tell me I'm the one
Who's your favorite baby?
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I think I mean what I say
I'm so ready for the low
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