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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Binary Revolution Radio, episode 24, brought to you on this day in history.
Tuesday, December 16th, 2003, originally aired.
And I opened the show with wonderful, wonderful, wonderful news.
That's right, we got him.
We got him.
It took us a while.
Took us quite a while.
But we finally got the infamous one.
The Dual Parallel back on the show.
Welcome, Mr. Parallel.
Operating.
Can I have you, information?
Oh, there's no dogs.
What's up, man?
I thought you were talking about Saddam Hussein for a second.
We got him.
Six of one, half a dozen of the other, you know.
Saddam Parallel.
Yeah, can I call you Saddam?
Please.
Or just Mr. Parallel?
How about Duel?
Can we go with Duel for the show?
It'll be easy.
He's got him.
Obviously, we finally got you back on the show.
First time in a while.
Well, because, well, what is your excuse?
What do you mean?
What is your excuse for not being on the show?
I don't know.
Because I'm not reading all those show notes.
The show, the infamous show novels.
Damn.
No, actually.
That is a lot of, yeah, you definitely, you know, you're very professional in the shows.
Well, I don't know about all that.
Like I said, I read a lot.
I cut and paste a lot.
I go, you know, during the course of the day, I see something interesting.
I email it to myself and cut and paste it.
I read up on it.
So, even if I didn't do the show, I was doing all that anyway.
I'm reading up.
I'm keeping abreast of things.
I just said abreast.
I'm keeping abreast of the news.
And, hell, I might as well use it on a show, you know?
See, I got Bland.
Bland carries the show.
Yeah.
Well, you know, Bland carries, he's been carrying this show for a few episodes now.
He's good, I'm telling you.
I want to get this out of the plan right now.
He is the voice of hacking media.
Hmm.
We are going to jump into some email from, actually, we can both, you got this email as well.
I don't know if you've checked your email lately.
But, uh, we both got an email from our good friend, Gluco, the Mad Canuck.
He, you did or didn't see this before I go into this, because this gets me a little upset, actually.
You know, I, dude, seriously, I get a lot of emails.
Can I take this opportunity to ask people, you know, just, just as a common courtesy to anybody,
not just me, not just Bland and all the email we get, but just, just for the hell of it, address who the email is to, right, like a letter,
and then at the end, go ahead and sign it, you know, just, just for the hell of it, to everybody, not just me.
But, yeah, we get a lot of email, and I don't actually, I, you know, I'm sure I got it, and I can't say that I've read it.
Well, it just came here, I think, a day or two ago, and this is the one that, by the way, he does address and sign it.
Yeah, oh, yeah, he's, he's actually really good about it.
But, yeah, I know what you mean.
I get somewhere, I don't recognize the, yeah, the email address may not match a name that I know.
Never does, dude.
Exactly, so, yeah, I know, I feel you, dog.
I feel you.
All right, cool.
All right.
This may ring a bell for you.
Let me, let me talk about the email.
Maybe you'll remember this.
But, he was, basically, he took a scan of a clip from a newspaper.
Basically, in Canada, their copyright board approved a new media levy, or tax, or tariff, or whatever you want to call it.
A new media levy as of December 12th, which is four days ago from when this airs, I guess.
Yep.
And it's going to affect the price on MP3 players, audio, media consumables, blank CDs, et cetera, et cetera.
This is their way, I guess, of, I don't know what, I hate using this term, but in the United States, sometimes you have the term sin tax, where they want to tax cigarettes, or alcohol, or something.
I guess this is their way of doing some kind of control, or some kind of way to stop piracy.
I'm sure, you know, that's definitely their aim of it.
They actually put a levy against media, and anything that will stifle people from copying, et cetera.
For example, and this is the example that he gave us, a 50-pack of 700-megabyte blank CDs used to be $29.99 Canadian, and their old price.
That's a rip-off.
Well, Canadian dollars, you know, it's different.
But, yes, you know, retail, just for example, retail price, $29.99.
The levy adds 49 cents to each disc on that spindle, on that 50 spindles, for a total of just the levy alone, $24.50.
Damn!
On a $30 spindle.
Now, you add in your sales tax, you come up with a total of $62.66 Canadian, over twice the price, thanks to this levy that they put on there.
Over doubled!
You can get a hooker cheaper than that.
Well, really?
Where?
You're Canadian!
We have to talk about that after the show.
Hmm, Canadian.
Hmm.
A Canadian hooker.
I imagine they're cold.
They're getting this money.
They're just the government?
They're just pocketing all this stuff?
Thank you very much.
Yeah, exactly.
And the thing is, they're not far away.
Does this come down to us soon?
Is this a way of, you know, they're having problems passing laws and getting, you know, some of their demands met.
Some, not all.
They're doing pretty good, actually, if you ask me.
But is this going to be their way around it?
Is they're going to start adding levies and taxes and sin tax, again, for lack of a better word,
or something similar to a sin tax on these specific items in the name of stifling piracy?
Yeah, it's not going to do a damn thing.
Okay, sure, it's going to really bump up the price of your consumables.
But how about your MP3 player, right?
That's a one-time charge.
So what, I don't know what it is.
There's no percentage or anything.
You just give an example of the disc.
I don't know if that came from the article or not.
But so, so your MP3 player, right?
Because some people don't even use physical media ever, right?
It's on their computer, straight to their MP3 player, go to your car.
Or, you know, you're never making a CD.
So what the hell?
That's not going to stop anything.
Right.
Well, it depends.
Again, you're right.
The only information I got was from him on this.
Unfortunately, well, I don't have information from Canada.
I don't know any more details on it other than what he's passed on.
Maybe he can follow up with us.
But, yeah, what would the, I mean, is it going to double the price of the MP3 player as well?
Because that would really suck.
Yeah, that would suck.
You know?
Still, just a one-time cost.
You know, man, I've made a car MP3 before.
Or I took a freaking, a little old, a little old tower, like a digital 9th, I don't know what it was.
And I just, dude, I stuck in my car.
There's pics on oldskoolphreak.com.
And I was playing MP3s on that.
People do that.
People have done it.
Now continue to do it.
Go ahead.
Levy away.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, don't levy away.
No, no, no, no, that's not, all right, that's not what I'm saying.
No, it's not going to achieve their goal.
If their goal is to stop piracy, if their goal is to stop people from, you know, infringing upon copyright, it's not going to work.
It's not going to work.
They're going to have a shitload more money because people are going to pay it.
Well, will they?
Or will can, I'm sure there's going to be places you can order it on the web, order it online.
Hell, Gluko, I'll hook you up.
You know, come on.
I mean, there's going to be ways they're going to get around it.
I mean, they're not going to catch a lot.
They might catch some people, I guess, and get a little money off of them, but.
Dude, I'm going to put, like, blank CDRs in my freaking, in my seats and, like, a fake compartment under my rig.
And then I'll just go across the border and we can sell them.
Instead, nobody will be smuggling drugs anymore.
They'll be smuggling blank CDRs.
In Mexico, it's going to be CDRs to freaking Canada.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Or they're going to, like, what is it how the drug dealers, they go out and put it in the ocean and send it out there
and then people come across the thing on the boat and pick it up out of the ocean to avoid customs and stuff?
Yep.
It'll be the same thing.
I'll freaking rent a Cessna, fly that shit over into B.C., and start freaking dealing in CDRWs.
In the back alleyway somewhere.
Yo, man, I got the hookup.
The first one's free.
First one's free.
Come back for the rest.
First one's free.
Got to get them hooked, man.
Yeah, it's stupid.
No.
Poor Canadian.
And you know what?
And you, I know you're kind of joking and you're kind of, you're saying bring it on, it's not going to stop,
but the principle here, this principle, hell no, don't bring it on.
I don't, you know, that doesn't, I know you're not justifying it, but, you know, there's no reason for it.
It doesn't make it right.
I would fight from this happening.
I wouldn't ignore it and say, yeah, thanks for the levy, now I'm going to keep copying.
I'd still fight and say, no, take your levy and shove it right up your Canadian ass.
I mean, the copyright award approved a new media levy.
But, so, you know, nothing went to a vote, right?
I mean, they just say, oh, we raise prices.
Bye-bye.
You know, I don't know.
I think this was in process.
There was some process to get it.
It wasn't they just snapped their fingers one day.
I think the article that he mentioned this a while back was like a couple months ago.
So, I don't know how long the process took, but, yeah, this was something that they didn't just do overnight.
So, I don't know if they have lobbyists and if they drag their feet making laws like we do here in the States.
Right.
But, hey.
Well, this is something I'm interested in.
I might actually read up on this.
This sounds very interesting because, yeah, it very well may come down here.
Yeah, interesting.
If by interesting you mean disgusting.
Sure.
Yeah, exactly.
Oh, exactly.
You know, digital rights does tickle my fancy.
Hmm.
You know, can I mention something I saw on TV?
It was a Gateway commercial.
You know, Gateway is, you know, big into the consumer electronics now.
They've got the plasma screen TV.
I guess it's too late for me to say no since you already jumped right into it.
Exactly.
So, I will continue.
Right.
And, I don't think they mentioned something, you know, and I was probably, you know, half awake watching this thing.
And they must have said something about music or digital music.
Because right below, in small text, but in the middle of the screen, right below, like, the monitor that they were shooting,
it said, please respect musicians' copyrights or something like that.
Right on the screen, right there.
I think they've, what I'm thinking is that they mentioned digital music and then, please respect musicians' copyrights or something like that.
You know, and it's, what the hell?
But, see, the irony there is that the musicians have the copyrights, but it's the industry that's making the money, not the musicians.
Anyway, what the hell?
I know, if the musicians copyrights...
I mean, it's not to make a lot of money from their art.
Yeah, yeah.
That's, you know what, that's a hole with no bottom and we've beaten that horse to death.
Yeah, but I just thought it was amusing, you know, during the big Christmas push, that they stuck that in the middle of their commercial, in the middle of the screen.
You said it was Gateway?
Yeah, just a Gateway commercial.
And they have Gateway commercials on the porn channel?
Uh, yes, yes, they do.
Yes, they do.
They're porn faster on their new PCs.
Ooh, sweet.
That's what I'm watching.
Uh, okay, we also had, let's move on here in the housekeeping.
I had, see, I don't know if I should bring this up because I'm not going to put a name to it.
I had someone send me a video submission for Act TV.
Very, very cool footage.
A little long, it's going to take some editing.
Um, and frankly, I, I don't even want to say what it's about because I'm going to leave some surprise for Act TV.
Even, even Saddam Parallel doesn't know all of what's going in.
He knows some, but he doesn't know all of what's going into Act TV, so.
What is this video?
I am President of Iraq.
You look a lot like Santa Claus, too, by the way.
I felt, I felt sorry for the man.
Yeah, well, you know, I don't.
But, anyway, that's a whole other topic.
Like, um, that's actually, we have, that's a good, that's a good segue.
We don't want to talk about that.
Yeah, I don't, you know, we want to talk about technology and hacking and technology and more hacking and freaking and digital.
You know what, I'm not going to, I don't know shit anyway, so I'm not going to talk about it either.
Well, and that, and you know, and we're going to, we're going to actually touch on a general topic later on.
We'll kind of discuss it because you and I talk about it a lot.
I thought it'd make a good discussion on the air.
But let me, okay, let me, let me go back through here and we'll catch up to that because that, speaking of Hack TV, that's a good segue into what I've been working on.
I mentioned it in the forums and I got some more footage myself done.
Amateur porn.
And, oh, that can't, that's not part of Hack TV.
That's a whole different project.
Thanks for spilling the beans on that one.
No, I did, I did film some more footage myself this past weekend and Saito and I are going to be filming some more this week.
We are already scheduled.
We're already got it set aside time.
He's already approved it with the woman, with the little lady.
And that's coming along well.
And actually he, today, today he gave me some of his first draft work on what we already have done.
So there is definite progress and it looks great.
I mean, it's very well put together.
The editing is good.
Transitions.
It looks like professional television.
Yeah, what?
We're not going to have any 17 minutes and 50 seconds shows or five minutes and whatever, you know.
It's not going to be, this is going to be a full length, regular show, opening, intro, closing credits, the whole nine yards.
It's going to be very, very well done.
And, you know, that might be something to take.
Maybe we ought to discuss, we probably should have talked about this off the air, not while we're recording.
But maybe we ought to think about taking that to H2K4.
Because it's going to be.
Sure, they'll show that kind of stuff.
Yeah, I think they have, don't they have a video room or something?
I don't know if they have to schedule it or how that works.
But we may have to look into that.
Usually they're movies, I believe.
We may have to check into that and see what that's all about.
Maybe they'd entertain, because it's going to be, it looks like it's going to be an hour.
We're looking towards an hour now for the first episode, a full one hour.
Nice.
So, and speaking of H2K4, see I'm flowing with the segues, baby.
You are.
Segway!
Segway.
Shout out to mute.
I think I came up with a presentation idea for H2K4, if they'll have me.
And I'm going to actually bounce this off of you.
I'm going to have you proof it again, if you ever proof the other stuff I sent you.
I might run this idea by you and see what you think.
I actually, I'll put the presentation together and run it by you and see what you think about it.
So you're bringing up all this awesome stuff, and you're not going to tell us what any of it is.
Well, you know, I don't want to give it all away.
Gotcha.
I just want people to know that it is coming, so that somebody may be on the fence about whether they're going to make it to H2K4,
and they're going to make it to the next Pope Conference.
How's it going to be, dude?
Well, some people may think, oh, well, I won't know anybody there, and, you know,
if the guys from BinRev were doing something, or if the guys from Radio Freak America, Old School Freak,
if I knew someone was going to be there presenting or doing whatever, you know, they might be more likely to go.
Whereas opposed to, oh, I won't know anybody, I don't know if I want to go see a bunch of strange people, you know, that I don't know, or, you know, I don't know.
I'm just throwing it out.
Exactly why I want to go see a bunch of strange people.
Well.
Look at myself.
Yeah, exactly.
They don't get any much stranger than me.
And not only H2K4 Conference, but I have also been emailing back and forth with the organizers of Interzone,
which I've mentioned on the show once or twice before.
Actually sent some detailed information now, and we are very close to finalizing plans of broadcasting, streaming live the whole weekend from Interzone.
Voodoo Hal and I are, it looks like we're going to be the only ones to make it, unless you guys, somebody else is able to free up at the last minute or something.
But we are talking tentative plans.
We've already talked to Rant Radio, who's open to the idea of using the whole weekend.
So we're actually hammering out details.
Because I have touched with Rant Radio, I have talked to Rocket from Interzone, I have, you know, we've already worked it out.
We're just working on the logistics now of, okay, how are we going to get the microphone and, you know, have the presentations live.
And are we going to be able to do that, or are we going to be able to broadcast from out in the hallway and, you know, summarize.
We're working out the logistics of stuff like that.
So, there's some details for you.
That's, thank you.
Is that better?
That's very exciting.
All right.
Now, as far as you and what you've been working on, you said you've been playing with Fluxbox in between diddling yourself to the Asian porn.
I love Asian porn, dude.
Well, who doesn't love Asian porn?
Sure.
Mature Asians.
Yeah.
Hell yeah.
Uh, yeah, dude, it's, basically it's all bland, man.
Because, you know, I start messing with Fluxbox and then he just, he just goes all out, dude, and just learns everything.
So, he actually made an RFA theme.
I saw that.
Yeah, dude, it's awesome.
I just, seriously, I love it.
I love it.
It's a joy to compute now.
And also, just been messing around with Pearl learning as best I can and having a blast doing that.
It's so much fun.
I like the challenge.
I like the constant challenge.
You know, I'm going to ask you now because I don't care.
I asked you this before the show.
Would it be, would the,
how do I say it,
would the allure go away if you,
you know,
you being, you know,
hypothetically anybody,
if one person,
if,
if they did this full time,
if they,
you know,
hacked full time,
you know,
Mesopero, Fluxbox, Linux,
I don't know.
Would it, would it go away?
Oh, no.
I would think not.
No, no, no, no, no.
Absolutely.
I wish I could do that full time.
Me too.
But that, well, you know,
that's why,
you know,
I've always been,
well,
weird in more ways than one,
but particularly,
it's on the computer end.
I've always,
I've never been one of those people
that had a doubt of what I wanted to do
with my life.
Ever since I was young,
playing on the old Apples,
playing on the old,
Commodore 64,
VIC-20s,
the TRS Trash 80s.
I mean,
started on computers when I was young
and I never looked back,
never had any questions.
The first time,
I put the phone coupler
into a 300 baud modem
and hit outside world,
even though we didn't have the internet,
as you know,
you had BVSs out there.
I've always known
that that was my calling
and I've always been into programming
and people don't get it.
And Voodoo Hal and I
had a whole show about this one time
about,
well,
we can talk more about
what it's like as a job now,
but what drives you to it
is just,
the bottom line is
it's every single day
you sit in there,
people think,
oh my gosh,
that's so boring
and that's so monotonous
and you look at the same,
it is if you don't have that mindset.
And that's why I say
that people who are hackers,
hackers have programming skills.
Even the ones that think they don't,
they have that inquisitive mind,
they have that
overcoming boundaries
and limitations
thought process,
they have that
getting through the wall,
you know,
finding a way through the wall,
around the wall,
working,
problem solving,
that kind of stuff,
which are also identically,
ironically,
skills that people look for
in management,
but I won't even say that
because,
you know,
hacker,
management,
you don't use those words together.
Right.
It's a constant challenge.
Yeah,
and it's not the same code every day,
it's not the same thing,
it's,
it's...
And I'm learning something new
every day,
even if it's small,
I'm learning something all the time
and I love it,
you know,
I'm not being mentally challenged
in my job,
come on,
how many,
how many people out there are?
Seriously.
Well,
yeah,
it's...
If you are,
you're lucky,
you're lucky that it's a challenge
and that it's exciting in that way.
Yeah,
and I kind of...
Sorry to bring this up,
but...
This is...
Hey,
this is your show,
man.
You are on the special guest,
you are the co-host with the most
back on the show.
Whatever you want to talk about,
we talk about.
Forget the time that I spent writing
these show notes,
I've been slaving over them,
then you want to drive off
into something else.
I'm serious,
dude,
our shows are friggin'...
I know.
They are the antithesis of each other,
dude.
I don't care,
they're still funny.
No,
they're not the antithesis.
Are you kidding?
We're complimentary.
Well,
no,
what I'm saying,
you're like,
you've got show notes,
you're like,
really professional,
me and Blandu,
just...
Hey,
that doesn't,
you know...
Good luck.
We don't,
like right now,
we're so far off the show notes.
You know what?
It's whose fault is it?
No,
but we,
the thing is,
we don't,
just because I have them,
doesn't mean we have to go by them.
If we have something else,
some interesting conversation
like we have now,
we go with it,
man,
we'll go with it.
Gotcha,
gotcha.
But now we're going to stop
and go back on the show notes.
Yeah,
let's do that.
No,
actually not.
You're looking at code every day
and people have to realize,
and if you don't,
because I know some people out there
who are still in school
and don't know,
if you are intrigued by programming,
if you're one of those people
that you write the program
that you have to for school,
you get it done,
and then you turn it in
and you're like,
thank gosh,
that's over with.
If that's the way you're thinking,
then yeah,
your programming might not be for you.
But if you're one of those people
that turns it in
and then goes back home that night
to make it even nicer
and clean it up
a little bit more
and make it more efficient,
you know,
it's an art form
and I love
tweaking the same code
I've been doing,
A,
B.
That's exactly what I've been doing.
I've been taking my horribly new pearl
and making it just new pearl
and actually,
you know,
one I haven't pipped
was like a spammer DB.
I like,
I read the data,
I read it,
ghetto tooth,
you know,
you can actually go
and get that email database,
by the way,
the latest one is up.
You know,
something funny,
I put more,
somebody posted on your boards,
more of the coverage areas
for Roadrunner,
so I've got more coverage areas
and I ran it again
and the database is smaller.
Before it was 5.4 megs
and now it's only 5 megs
so it's kind of weird.
I guess they must have
lost a lot of customers
or cleaned up their homepages
or something.
So yeah,
that's exactly what I've been doing.
I've been going through
all my old code
and just improving it,
hopefully improving it.
Yeah.
It's been a blast.
I just love it.
There's no such thing
as a complete program,
as a finished program
in my eyes.
It's a constant evolving entity.
And in the world of a programmer,
in your job,
they're very much in the mindset
of write the program,
get it in production,
and then wash your hands of it.
You want to put it in production
so that you have no interaction
with it anymore,
so that it's done,
it's out of your hair,
you can work on other things.
And to an extent,
that is absolutely true.
You don't want to have to babysit
and manually run programs every day.
There's nothing wrong with that.
You want to write your program
smart enough
and efficient enough
and intelligent enough
that they can somewhat run themselves.
But,
as technology changes
and platforms change,
like,
I'll make up an example
because I don't do Windows programming.
I'm not into that.
But let's say you were to write a program
that works in Windows 98.
I don't know.
Windows XP comes out.
Windows 2000 comes out.
Whatever.
Your code will probably still work.
It's backwards compatible.
But that new platform
has so many new features,
and I'm using a common Windows
just because people can relate to it.
It'll still work.
It's still backwards compatible,
but it won't be as efficient
because you're not using
the new function calls.
You're not using
the new libraries
that have been made available.
You're not using
the latest additions
to the compiler,
et cetera,
to make it really,
truly work cleanly
and hand-in-hand
with the new operating system.
So there's always that
extra stuff
that you can do
to your program.
And especially,
like,
my programs are my babies.
I don't forget them.
I remember them.
Three years down the road,
I'll read something
and I'm like,
oh,
kick-ass 64-bit processing.
I can go back
to that program
because I remember
it used to be 33K
and I couldn't get it
to work in one pass.
I had to write two.
Now I can update it
and it's going to get hit
in one pass
because I have this much more
processing power
at my hands disposal.
Right.
You know,
I just always have that.
Years back
and it's just,
I don't know,
that's just,
you can be a programmer
without that,
but the most elite programmers
I've ever met in my life
have that.
Yeah.
You know,
and I think
there's a lot of correspondence
between hackers.
They feel and think
the same way.
You just got done saying
you updated your roadrunner.
You know,
I know Not Theory
has been making changes
and additions
to his lookup script
that we all love
that rocks.
Even DDP Freak Toys,
which,
gosh,
I wish more people
were taking advantage
and check that out.
I'm going to really,
I'm going to put that link
back up and pimp it again
because it rocks.
I use it on my cell phone
every day
and,
man,
and that gets updated.
You know,
it's like you never
just,
oh yeah,
here,
it's done.
Go away.
Bzz,
bzz,
bzz.
You know,
it's not like that.
Yeah,
well,
I totally agree
and I hope I'm on the right track
and I want to take advantage
right now,
take advantage of being on your show
and ask anybody,
hey man,
if anybody has any comments
or help for my code,
hey,
you can do it better,
you can do this,
use trick,
whatever,
send them to me,
man,
believe me.
I would love it
and I want to learn.
I definitely want to learn.
I probably like the forum so much.
Always,
always learning.
Hell yeah.
Now,
I'm going to make that
into a segue.
Watch this.
Okay.
Speaking of learning,
there's been a lot of discussion
lately
on the mass media
and I'm going to ask you
a question,
Mr. Parallel.
Alright.
Can we actually learn
from the media?
Absolutely.
Is the media
just completely evil?
Is it absolutely despicable
that they're biased
and they make up,
they don't present
the true facts,
they give you a slanted view?
I mean,
is there anything useful?
Is there any news
in the news anymore?
Okay.
Can I answer more
than just a yes,
no right now?
Oh,
absolutely.
Okay.
I was setting you up
for a good 20-minute rant there.
Oh,
well,
here we go.
The answer is
yes,
but be selective.
I've got a great example.
Thank you.
Go.
Oh,
that was good?
Yes,
that's exactly what I was doing.
Oh,
good.
Awesome.
Go for it.
And I didn't really show them.
The Walmart,
the lady who was
quote,
trampled at Walmart,
right?
Right.
You know,
that's a great example.
You know,
you have to,
first of all,
you can't stop learning,
right,
to go back to the segue.
You have to,
you have to,
if there's something
that interests you
and that impacts you,
then you must,
you must study,
right?
You must research.
Again,
be selective.
Use definitely
more than one viewpoint,
more than one media source.
And,
you know,
be a little more choosy
about what media source
you consume
and you are consuming.
Personally,
every morning,
I wake up,
right,
do my crunches
and I listen to,
I listen to NPR.
I love NPR
and I think,
I think I get good news
from them.
I say avoid TV
as much as possible
but,
you know,
that's just me.
I'm sure you can get
some good stuff from TV,
especially PBS.
Those are a few things
I think you can do
and,
and get some usefulness
out of the media.
By the way,
we are the media,
by the way.
Oh,
we are definitely
the media.
Yeah,
but everybody
who sends an email
into this,
to a show,
right,
you're part of the media too
because you're,
you're,
you know,
you're creating,
you're,
you're contributing,
so.
And,
frankly,
I'm not afraid
or ashamed
or embarrassed
to come out
and say,
this actually
sounds kind of funny,
don't believe us either.
We give you some knowledge
and we give you
some viewpoints
and we try to counteract
but we're not infallible.
We report things
that may not be
completely,
we may,
you know,
let's admit,
we may have some slants
the opposite.
You know,
we're looking from
a hacker perspective.
I'm willing to admit
that perhaps I'm missing out
on someone else's,
I may not necessarily
agree with it,
but that doesn't necessarily
mean that I'm always right,
but I am,
but,
you know,
that's neither here nor there.
But,
you know,
well,
like for example,
I agree,
TV is the worst.
It is the most biased.
I absolutely agree with that.
Even if you think
that somehow CNN
or Fox News
or MSNBC,
you think that a news channel
is more credible
than say,
you know,
the channel,
whatever,
Channel 7 News
or your local whatever.
They're all
just as bad.
They're all just as biased.
They all
rush to get a story.
They all practice
sensationalism
that's just
mind-numbing.
However,
I still think that
even in that,
because let's be honest,
that's where the majority
of people are getting
their news,
they're getting their media,
they're watching television.
Few people
listen to the radio.
Few people
read newspapers anymore.
You get it on the internet,
which is a great
source of media.
But,
the same on the internet
and the same,
the point I'm making
for television is,
don't key in
on any one thing.
Don't key in
on any two things.
There's nothing wrong
with watching the news
on television,
of course,
you may disagree
with me here.
As long as you put it
all together
and you listen,
okay,
CNN says this,
but this channel
says that,
MSNBC says that,
Channel 7 says this,
but put it all together
and see what the
total message
from all of them is
and then combine that
with your own research
on the internet
and your own intelligence
and decision-making
abilities
and come up
with your own answer.
These are just
sources
to help you come up
to your own answer.
These are not answers
to being spoon-fed
to you
and unfortunately,
the majority of
Americans,
anyway,
sit at home
and they're like,
yeah,
right on,
hackers suck,
you know,
hackers are the bad guys.
Right.
Which,
by the way,
I'm going to send you
an attachment
that we're going to
talk about
on the next show
we do
that's going to
blow your mind.
No way.
Yeah.
You know,
they spread these things.
You have to,
the word consumer
that you hate so much.
You have no choice.
You have to be a consumer.
You have to consume media.
I don't hate the word,
I just hate what it means
in this country.
But you have to be
an intelligent consumer.
Yeah,
yeah.
That's the key.
So,
consume the media
in whatever forms it is
and come up with
your own decisions
and your own solutions
and,
you know,
I think there is
good information
on television.
I'll tell you what,
can I
give some suggestions?
I mean,
we talk about it,
we urge people
to,
you know,
hey,
make sure you,
you know,
take a grain of salt
with all the media
you consume,
with all the news
you would take.
Absolutely.
We said that about RFA,
the last show,
I believe.
Can I give
some actual suggestions
of where you can find
some good news sources?
Absolutely.
I think,
you know,
things that people
can really use,
I think one,
let's start with the internet,
IndieMedia.org,
right?
Take your city
or your state,
stick it in front of
.indiemedia
and then hit go,
right?
Arizona.indiemedia.org.
Read those sites.
I think you need to fill,
you need to fill your time
more with good sources
from the internet
and radio
and not as much TV.
More reading
is better as well.
Radio,
NPR,
public radio.
Absolutely.
One of the best places
to get the news.
And also BBC.
And who?
BBC,
the British Broadcasting.
I was just going to say,
actually there was,
in Phoenix at least,
there used to be
a half hour news show
every night
from the BBC.
If you've got satellite,
maybe you can get
the BBC news,
right?
When I travel,
I'd get the BBC World News
and watch that.
So the radio
is definitely
a good place to go.
And now on the TV,
I think you already
brought it up,
BBC is a good place.
It's a good one.
Your public access channels,
right?
It's not always
the guy wearing a loincloth
and reading from the Bible,
right?
The crazy guy
that gets his time.
Sometimes,
I've run into
public access stations
that would play news,
subtitled news,
from France,
Germany,
lots of places like that.
And you definitely
need a global perspective.
You'll definitely
get a different perspective
if there's the same issue
that's being covered
by domestic news sources.
So those are just
a few good places
that you need
to look into
to get better information
and better media
to consume.
Absolutely.
You need to follow those.
Absolutely.
You've got to combine,
you've got to see
both sides of the issues
and, again,
make your own decision.
Yeah.
That's the bottom line.
Oh, my gosh,
I can't believe
I forgot her name.
My public access channel
here,
in the morning,
you know,
the cable public access channel,
they play,
she does Democracy Now.
I can't believe
her name just totally
left my mind.
Downtown Julie Brown?
What?
No.
Amy Goodman.
God,
I couldn't think of it.
Democracy Now,
and I think
her website
is democracynow.org,
and that's a great show
I watch on TV.
Right?
So,
if you look around
at other places,
right,
turn off that broadcast crap
and you can find
some good stuff.
Very,
very true.
Yep.
Now, see,
I knew,
I knew
that would be
a good topic for you.
I knew that you'd be
animated and you'd be
just all into that one.
Yeah,
and I hope,
and I thank you
for getting the opportunity
to give people examples,
right,
to give you actually
places that you can go.
We're not just going
to talk about,
yeah,
the broadcast TV sucks
and indie media's good,
all right.
No,
we're giving you examples
right here.
Go to democracynow.org.
Look for the TV show
broadcast,
on your public access stations.
Listen to NPR radio.
Contribute to public radio
if you can.
That is the best shit ever.
And if you haven't listened
to Click and Clack
on the weekends,
you are missing out
on some funny shit,
dude.
I'm telling you.
Oh,
the swearing,
oh,
I'm sorry.
I came to the same conclusion
you did about that.
I put it at the top
of my notes
that says,
try your best
to control it.
That's the one thing I saw.
And it's not a real,
it's just,
you were yelling at me.
I'm just trying my best
to do it because,
you know,
listeners have mentioned it
and I take that to heart.
When somebody mentions it
and they're sincere.
But you know what?
Sometimes,
it's going to happen.
Yeah.
You know,
that's one of the,
you know,
I told you my t-shirt slogan.
That's ironic, too.
Yeah.
And we're,
maybe we can have those
released for H2K4 also.
So,
anyway,
let's,
We're just a huge media outlet,
dude.
You know,
and I'm,
I'm sorry,
I want to go back
and clarify that
my point in that as well.
Independent media,
very good.
But,
I still say,
and I guess maybe
you disagree with me a bit,
I still say,
listen to the independent media,
the independent version
of the,
I don't know,
Michael Jackson pedophile story.
And then listen to the
Fox News version
of the public
Michael Jackson pedophile story.
Oh, I agree.
Put the two of them together.
But that's the thing,
people,
people go much too much
to the bad way,
right,
to the dark side.
Right.
They need to add more
of these other suggestions
that we gave them
into their daily intake.
So,
I want them to see both of them
for two reasons,
because they get two different viewpoints,
which is always good,
and B,
I think people's eyes
will be opened
at exactly how biased
and messed up
one is over the other.
And we'll let them decide
that on their own.
Okay,
let's go to some actual
hacking news,
or some,
actually,
I've got some other
good stuff in here.
This is kind of a,
we stay away from
general politics
on the show,
but politics relating
to privacy,
private freedom,
technology,
stuff like that
we talk about.
And I've got a few
topics along that line.
Actually,
I'm going to start
with more of a,
I guess this is
a privacy story,
but it's really more,
well,
let me just,
let me just go
into the story.
I had a friend
who discovered
an interesting bit
of information
at the university
that they attend.
They found out
that they actually
have an account
at a particular bank
which shall remain
nameless.
Don't email me
and ask me.
They have an account
at this bank
and they called
the bank 800 number.
They didn't have,
I think,
their account number.
So they called
and were trying
to get,
I think,
deposit or get
some information
on the balance
of their account
or something like that.
And they couldn't
help but notice
that the operator
on the other end
is three questions
that they ask you
on the phone
to identify yourself.
Now,
I know you've had,
I can't,
I of course couldn't
name these particular
episodes offhand,
but on RFA,
you've called numbers
before and found,
hey,
what do you need here?
What information
do you need?
You realize how
they ask sometimes
just the most
asinine questions
to verify
who you are.
They give it to you.
Yeah,
and you know,
sometimes they do
just out and out
give it to you
because it's easier.
Well,
this is a bank,
you would think
they would take
security seriously,
you know.
Well,
they had three questions
that they asked.
First of all,
they asked for the
account number.
Now,
the account number
is at the bottom
of any check,
deposit slip,
sometimes off the ATM slip,
you know,
you could shoulder surf it.
There's very easy.
That's the most difficult
thing to get,
but even that's very easy.
You give them
your account number
over the phone,
they ask you your name,
well,
duh,
you can give,
you know,
you can find out
a person's name
super simply,
it's on the check.
I mean,
there's a million ways
that your name
is so easy to get.
And then,
what they think
is their ace in the hole,
what they think
is their real security key,
is they want
the last four digits
of your social security number.
Now,
we've,
in many occasions,
talked about
it is
possible to get
someone's social security number.
I won't go so far
as to say easy,
but it is kind of easy.
If you really wanted it
bad enough,
you definitely could find it.
Well,
in this particular case,
at this particular university,
you don't even have
to go find it.
It's given to you.
It just so happens
that the naming convention,
the naming standards,
for the assigned
email address
of every student,
every student gets
assigned an email address,
the default email address
of every student
is the last,
the first four digits
of their last name,
and the last four digits
of their social security number.
You're kidding me.
That is
their email address.
That is
at whatever
EDU.
That is the most
asinine thing.
That's their naming convention.
That's what they decided on.
You've got to be kidding me,
dude.
Spider-Man doesn't like that.
Dude,
that is BS.
You know,
it's there.
He's the kingdom
right there, man.
Yeah,
and you know,
the thing is,
like I said,
if you really went out
looking for it,
of course you could find it,
but my gosh,
giving it away,
and you know,
there's a phenomenon,
I don't know if you've seen this,
I don't know if you can
back me up on this,
but there's a phenomenon
going on right now,
and maybe some college students
can back me up on this.
There's this sweeping movement
of banks offering
free checking,
absolutely free checking,
totally free checking,
rectum cleaning,
free checking,
you know,
this whole movement,
and what a lot of universities
are doing,
is when the students
come to campus,
a lot of them don't have
and have never had
an account before,
they have an agreement
with these banks
where they'll give them
the totally free checking account,
and they'll,
you know,
take and automatically
deposit their,
their checks,
or their financial aid checks,
and automatically deduct
their payments,
and stuff like that,
for ease of use
for the university,
it's much easier
for them to do that,
it saves them money,
they work out a deal
with the bank,
yada, yada, yada,
and they give these
accounts to the kids.
Well,
that's sacrificing that,
I'm sorry,
I shouldn't say kids,
students,
whoever they have,
whatever age they happen to be,
these students,
sacrificing their privacy
by assigning them
this email address,
if you're working
hand in hand
with said bank,
you would think that
somebody,
that would have to
cross somebody's mind,
wouldn't it?
Apparently not.
Obviously not.
And someone,
the person that sent this to me,
also sent this
to the university
and to the bank,
and they,
I don't know if they,
I can't verify
that they took action,
but they took it.
That's a cool watch.
Yeah,
they took very seriously,
this is not my,
I don't,
I'm graduated,
I'm out of school,
it's not me.
But it's very close to home,
I'll say that.
I got you.
They took it seriously,
or at least they seemed to.
They replied,
they seemed to take it
very seriously,
they didn't realize it.
They really didn't.
I mean,
you got a,
you know,
a big university,
you know,
tens of thousands of students
or more,
a bank that doesn't know
what the student,
you know,
the bank,
one hand doesn't wash
the other,
you know,
the bank doesn't know
what this hand is doing
and this hand doesn't know
what the other hand is doing.
So somebody pointing out
the two things,
you know,
they really didn't know
about it.
Seems silly,
seems like somebody
should have caught it.
Luckily,
somebody finally caught it
and as far as we know,
no damage has been done yet.
But at the same time,
there was also some backlash
of people saying,
how dare you report this,
thanks for telling everyone
how to commit fraud.
No, it's...
And I,
no, it happened.
Yes, well...
And I,
I'm like,
you know,
now you know what hackers
go through.
No, no, no, seriously.
Because I mean,
guess what,
the bad guys have probably
already been doing it.
Exactly.
They watch this,
they study,
they look for this kind of stuff,
I bet you they've already
been doing it.
And, hey,
they may find it now
after the fact.
And that's what I said,
hackers have been going
through this for years.
Oh, damn it.
We find vulnerabilities,
we point them out,
we go to jail.
What the fuck?
Exactly.
Oh, whoops,
damn it,
see now you...
What the fudge?
I just dropped an F bomb,
you dropped an F.
All right, damn it.
Yeah, just like that
crappy little script I wrote
that gets all those
email addresses.
Well, guess what?
The spammers had that
had that stuff a long time ago.
That's nothing new.
They've been using
those lists for forever.
You know,
it's,
yeah,
it's better
and it's hard.
It's not easy.
Like logic, right?
At his school,
he came out and said,
hey man,
this is really bad.
And he,
dude,
he...
He'd pay the price.
He'd get busted,
but it wasn't pleasant
for the man.
But,
but,
he has integrity
and you can't put a price,
you can't put a punishment,
you know,
straight up.
Seriously.
So, anyway,
I thought you'd get a kick
out of that little story.
Yeah,
that's pretty fun.
By the way,
personally,
the last class I took,
of course,
you know,
they wanted to give you
the social security number
and I said,
no,
I want something else.
And they changed it.
They have another system
because they said,
more and more people,
and I hope it's true
because I'd yet to see one,
but more and more people,
students were switching
from that social security number
and I did.
that,
that day,
I said,
no,
I ain't gonna fly.
Give me another ID number.
Yeah,
and you know what,
the double irony to the story
is this university
has switched
away from using socials
as the overall student's
ID number,
yet they still use the social
as the email address.
Oh, God.
Yeah,
it's a,
you know,
it's like half-assed.
That's all I can say.
Big time.
That's a good one.
That's very good.
I thought,
you know,
I thought you'd get a kick
out of that one.
I do it,
that one a lot.
Now,
keeping with the,
the theme here,
I know,
this is probably
two of your favorite words,
Patriot Act.
Yeah.
Congress is looking
at problems
with the Patriot Act.
I heard this
on NPR this morning.
See,
is that timing or what?
Do we get our media
from proper sources?
What,
you know?
I think so.
Finally,
they realize,
and you know what,
you know what actually,
and this is a good,
I don't watch the show a lot.
What is the,
is it Mickey Rooney?
Is that,
is that the guy,
the old guy?
Is it Mickey,
I don't,
the guy on the end of 60 Minutes,
I think is the show.
Oh.
He always,
he's like,
why is it that sometimes,
yeah,
and there you go,
him.
He actually brought this up
on the show.
I never watched the show.
I happened to be flipping through,
and it was on yesterday,
and he was actually talking about,
and saying that the Patriot Act
was ridiculous.
I'm like,
whoa,
this is 60 Minutes?
This is mainstream biased media,
and somebody actually said that?
So there is,
you know,
there's something to be said.
There's sometimes good stuff.
I heard a senator this morning,
I wish I could remember his name,
talking about their concern
for privacy,
you know,
for civil rights,
essentially,
you know,
because it's Patriot.
I don't know.
It could be this right here,
Bob Barr.
It could be the same.
I don't know what their agenda is.
Yeah.
After,
they finally realized,
after two years,
what we've been saying
since day one,
the day it came out,
how come the,
how come it's the intelligent
internet community
knew on day one
after it was released
that it was screwed up,
written in haste,
signed in haste,
overly broad,
how come the internet community
at large knew it?
Because they've been doing
the stuff that they're just,
you know,
getting legal rights to do.
I mean,
they've been able to do this,
you know,
use technology to do such things
for a long time.
He,
the senator even said,
he said,
now that we have the capability
to watch people,
you know,
to such an extreme degree,
we need to look at this now.
Yeah,
well,
it's a little late now.
Yeah,
exactly.
Well,
but you know what?
Better late than never.
I mean,
I guess.
I know that's horrible,
but,
hey,
it's true.
Better late than never.
This is Representative
Bob Barr states,
and listen to this,
this is,
better late than never,
but it's still kind of sad.
He says,
quote,
little did I,
or any,
or many of my colleagues,
know that it would shortly be used
in context other than terrorism
and in conjunction with a wide array
of other privacy invasive programs
and activities.
Are you dumb?
Are you just dumb?
I mean,
we told you this the day it came out.
Why don't,
why don't you,
first of all,
why don't you read stuff before you sign it?
Okay?
Read stuff before you sign it.
We all know that.
We preach about it on the show all the time,
and our own senators
and representatives
don't do this.
Oh,
yeah,
anti-terrorism bill.
Oh,
yeah,
I've got to sign that
because we just got
our buildings.
We've got to sign that.
I don't want to be anti-American
or anti,
you know,
I've got to sign this blindly.
Read what you sign into law.
Section 2-5,
2-1-5,
that's the one I've read it.
2-1-5 allows the FBI
to demand business records,
including internet records,
with a simple order
from a,
quote,
foreign intelligence surveillance court,
even if the subject
is not a suspected terrorist.
How do you miss that?
How did you not read that?
Oh,
I didn't read 2-15.
I stopped at 2-14.
Yeah,
I didn't read up to 2-15.
Did he say that he didn't read it?
I don't know.
That surprises me.
I don't know.
I think they absolutely know
what's going on.
You think they knew
that they were giving that power
and didn't realize it would be,
I mean,
you think they're not naive?
Oh,
we didn't think they'd abuse it.
Is one worse than the other
whether they didn't read it
or they read it
and were too naive?
Do we want people
that naive in office?
I think they're very smart men
and women
and they know exactly
what's going on.
I would debate your definition
of the word smart.
How about,
all right,
section 505.
Motivations are different
than intelligence.
Section 505
give the government power
to use an administrative subpoena.
It's not even a real subpoena.
It's a simple security letter
to obtain credit reports
and financial documents
as well as telephone
and email bills.
You know what it takes
to get a security letter?
Nothing.
Probable cause?
Nope.
Out the window.
You don't need that anymore
thanks to the Patriot Act.
Judicial review?
No,
no,
we don't need to put this
in front.
No,
we don't need a review.
Just write a letter.
Right.
That's it.
Right.
Oh, yeah.
And they knew that, huh?
They were smart people
that knew that.
I think so.
I think they,
they, I think
if not to
great detail,
the people who are
voting at the Hill
know what's going on.
They have,
they have
well-paid people
to make sure
that they know
what's going on.
Right?
To make sure
that they are
meeting the needs
of their constituents.
I,
I don't know.
Maybe I'm a pessimist.
I,
it sounds like
I'm the pessimist.
Yeah.
I'm the pessimist.
You're the optimist.
Is that,
is that what we're
looking at here?
Because you,
we do this all the time.
You know,
you know,
it's,
I don't know.
Regardless,
it's about time.
It's a good thing.
Better late than never.
It's about time
they looked at it.
Maybe they'll make changes.
Maybe they'll make
some amendments to this.
Maybe they'll get rid
of it all together.
Yet, ironically,
they'll probably sign
Patriot 2
while they're doing it.
Yeah.
Well, you know,
we won't even go there.
Yeah.
All right.
Here's another one.
Now, see here,
I'm going to flip the coin on you
because I know you say
I'm Mr. Negative,
pessimist.
I have lost a lot of faith.
I don't,
well,
yeah.
But listen,
now let me,
let me.
Everybody,
everybody.
If you could,
if you could hear,
man,
I wish I had a recorder
some of the times.
I would get a classic
stink rant.
Well,
okay,
but let,
let me go with this.
Listen,
I'm going to fool you.
No, no, no.
I'm going to tell him, dude.
There are some,
and rants,
not meant for public ears,
but just good rants,
nonetheless.
And you,
well,
you would probably agree.
Sometimes you are,
you are quite pessimistic,
my friend.
I,
I admit,
I've lost a lot of faith.
Understandably so.
Yeah.
Well,
let me flip it
because I'll show you
that I,
see,
I,
it's just,
I go,
I'm a factual person.
I deal with facts.
I deal with what I see
and I don't see how
any intelligent person,
if the internet at large
knew that it was a problem,
why didn't these people?
And you tell me
they're smart men and women
and I'm sorry,
I just don't see how
any smart man or woman
could or would
willingly sign this into law
if they knew
what it entailed.
And they're saying now
that they didn't realize
it would be used like this
or didn't realize,
well,
I say to that
that we need more
experienced people,
less naive people,
more intelligent,
I don't care how you word it.
We need people in there
who are going to
sit down and analyze something
and not be biased
by lobbyists,
not be biased by,
you know,
the worst thing is
bipartisanship.
You know?
You don't think
that has a factor?
Not in today's government,
no.
I guess you have
more faith than I do
and I freely admit that.
But signs like this one,
here's a good story,
this gives me
more faith back.
If I had more stories
like this one,
I would regain
a lot of faith.
The Safeguard
Against Privacy
Invasions Act
is being rediscussed,
the SPI.
The goal of this act
is to crack down
on spyware
by revamping
and modifying a bill
to allow security updates
for software
without leaving loopholes
for spyware
to communicate with servers
and report private data
back to companies.
Kind of vague.
Well,
they're adapting a bill,
first of all.
They're adapting a bill,
they're fixing loopholes,
they're not sacrificing security
in the process,
and they're protecting
the privacy
of American citizens.
Is it possible
that there are people
in the government
that do know
what they're doing?
When I read this,
I think maybe they are.
Well,
that's,
well,
And now,
see,
here I am getting faith
and you're questioning it,
so I don't know
what to think now.
No,
no,
no.
See,
I think,
I think that there's,
I,
I think
there's an answer
for both questions.
And that is that,
sure,
the people,
the people in ultimate power
maybe don't know,
you know,
the specifics,
but I guarantee you
they have well-paid people
to make sure that,
that,
you know,
they get the Reader's Digest version.
So,
Is the Reader's Digest version
good enough?
You know,
it has to be.
When,
when you're dealing with the nation,
it has to be,
right?
No.
You're senators.
I'm sorry,
no,
I don't agree.
But I can't,
you,
they don't have time
for the minutia.
That's,
neither here nor there.
I don't,
I don't think taking away
people's privacy
is minutia.
I'm not familiar with this.
Um,
I don't,
uh,
I don't know.
I'd have to,
to read more about this
to see what it does.
It's just,
if this is actual,
is this,
is this verbatim?
Is this verbatim right from
a description of the,
of the act?
Um,
just the two lines
you see there,
um,
is a description of,
that,
that is the CliffsNotes version,
if that's what you want to call them.
That is the,
uh,
Reader's Digest version.
Without leaving,
Lewis,
first,
can we give us a report
in private right to,
I don't know.
That's weird.
Yeah,
I'd have to read more about that.
But if,
if,
I,
I don't know.
See,
and that,
and here's,
here's where I say
that I'm the pessimist.
Because I'm,
I see something like this,
something I'm not familiar with,
granted.
I think there's,
there's motivation there.
And it's probably monetary,
right?
It's economic.
Something about that,
right?
There's a reason for that.
Some guy just didn't get pissed off
at frickin' bond study
and say,
I'm gonna pass an act,
right?
Senator Jim Bob,
right,
was pissed at his frickin' Yahoo bar
and couldn't uninstall it
and said,
God,
gosh darn it,
I'm gonna pass an act.
That,
you know,
no.
There's motivation.
There's definite motivation there.
So,
I'd be curious.
So there's,
that's where I'm a pessimist.
I think they always know
what's going on.
Maybe not to the,
you know,
to the buffer overflow
level,
but
always a factor.
Well,
I wouldn't expect him to know
to that detail.
Right.
You know,
but,
It's just an and.
And is less,
you know,
there are people,
there are people
who champion these bills.
Right.
You know,
who should
and do know it
inside and out.
Now,
does every senator
gonna know every detail
about every bill?
Well,
no.
Absolutely not.
I mean,
I'm not naive enough
to believe that.
I'm not,
I don't think that
that's a senator's job
is to sit down
and read every line
of every bill.
Yes,
they have to work
with people to give them,
but they do have to
read more of it than,
I'm sorry,
than the Reader's Digest version.
They have to read more
than the Cliff Notes version.
It's not that simple.
It's not just,
okay,
I know what it's about
and I'm gonna vote
the right way.
No.
It's like,
okay,
if I vote this way,
what industries will I affect?
Who will I piss off more?
Just like the steel tariffs,
right?
He dropped the steel tariffs.
Great.
You know why?
Because there were gonna be
sanctions by European countries
that would have pissed off
a bigger contingency
here in the U.S.
That's why he did that.
All right,
well then,
let's use these two
that we just talked about
as an example.
You just questioned the second one
because you said
it was overly vague.
Now,
if you're a senator
and that's presented before you
from your highly paid professionals
and that's what they give you,
what do you do?
It's time to vote.
Well,
we're absolutely oversimplifying it,
first of all.
And you don't think that happens?
I'm sure it does.
Well.
It's not just,
it's for us,
right,
and our main issue,
the issue close to our hearts,
everybody's,
is what?
Technology.
So here,
no,
they're not going to know
what that means.
I don't even know
what that means.
Come on.
What the hell does that mean?
And he's,
it's probably bundled
with something else,
right?
He's got to wonder,
you know,
what,
you know,
who is it going to affect,
what district he's in,
if this is a guy in San Francisco
or Seattle,
right?
It's going to make,
you know,
much more difference
than a guy in frickin' Arkansas,
right?
Yeah,
it's going to...
Well,
I didn't quite catch
the difference in...
Well,
I guess,
I guess I get your point
is it depends on case to case.
I mean,
people's privacy
is pretty much universal,
but yeah,
I got you.
I know what you're saying.
The frickin' copper mining,
it's not going to...
I don't know if there's any
copper mining in South Dakota,
but it's absolutely
going to mean something
in, you know,
in the Southwest,
in Arizona,
right?
So,
yeah,
that's just one example.
I just...
I just don't understand,
then,
how something like
the Patriot Act
gets passed.
I just don't...
Who was the president
to beware the
military-industrial complex
in times of war?
Is that...
Am I misquoting?
I...
Man,
I can't even name.
Anyways,
you know,
and that's another thing.
Maybe I...
Dude,
I've...
The motivation was...
Did you ever hear
the H2K2 speech
by Airman Gruder?
Did you hear that keynote?
I think I heard part of it.
Everybody listen to that.
Listen to it.
If it's two hours,
three hours,
whatever,
listen to all of it.
Because he's dead on
about so much stuff.
And one of them is that,
you know,
what,
you know,
and I've seen this.
Go to coffee shops
and people are just...
Two guys are talking
all of this and that
and this and that
and blah, blah, blah.
They don't know
what the hell
they're talking about.
I don't know
what the hell
I'm talking about.
It's just like this SPI.
I don't know
a damn thing about this.
I can't talk to this.
Straight up.
But it doesn't mean
you can't research that.
It doesn't mean
you should lose your faith,
right?
Although,
probably most of us have.
It just means
that you have to
educate yourself
and you have to make...
Oh,
this kind of goes back
to what we were talking about.
It just means
that you have to...
You have to...
For things that matter to you,
you have to put
some blood and sweat
into it, right?
Well,
I like to think
that I do educate myself
on things that apply to me.
I just wish
my representatives
and senators
did as much
as I...
I don't know.
Maybe I'm thinking
I do more than I really do.
I don't know.
I just don't think
that they're looking out
for my best interest sometimes.
I think the lobbyists
have a lot of influence on them.
I think the party lines
have a lot of influence on them.
And I think they make decisions
based on something
other than the best interest
of the American people
sometimes.
Right.
Not all the time.
I'm not like...
What's his name?
Kaczynski.
I'm not freaking,
you know,
gonna...
You know...
I get angry.
I talk about it.
I debate it.
I may not...
I still...
I kind of see your point,
but I just don't
completely agree with it.
I hope it wasn't...
I hope it wasn't really...
I know it was circular,
so my apologies to everyone.
That was...
Dude,
that was total freaking...
If you ever listen to Rush Limbaugh,
and that's good radio, too.
He's a dumbass,
but it's good radio.
Actually,
he's not a dumbass.
He's smart,
because many people listen to him.
Listen to the lack of logic
and the circuit logic there,
you know,
and I...
Please forgive mine,
but...
Dude,
you want to...
Train yourself.
That's what...
Everybody needs...
I'm serious.
Social training,
right?
You must train yourself
to deal with people
and to deal with people well,
to manipulate...
I mean,
to persuade people,
right?
Social training,
very important.
You must train yourself
physically,
always.
You must have balance.
Always.
You know,
hackers,
you know,
when you're young,
you're always...
You're shooting hoops,
doing all this other stuff.
Your body's great,
but you must train your mind
as well,
right?
So physical training
as well as mental training.
Hackers and freaks,
they do that all the time.
So we're good in that spot.
But you must train yourself.
You must train yourself
to prepare...
Actually,
ooh,
this is kind of a segue
into the next RFA.
And you have to read about
and learn about
things like this,
right?
You have to train yourself
in the ways of your government,
train yourself in the ways of law,
train yourself in the way of privacy,
and be prepared for things like that.
So you know what?
When you go to the coffee shop
and some dumbass wants to talk
about frickin'
the steel tariffs,
you can say,
you know what?
I've had an interest in that
and I actually researched that
and here are the facts.
And,
um...
Well,
I tell you,
you know what?
Where the hell
did all that come from?
Well,
listen,
I'm going to do something
for you,
out of respect for you,
I'm going to do this.
As hard as this is,
I am an open-minded person.
I try
to give people
the benefit of the doubt
most of the time.
It's gotten a lot of bad things
happening that I've seen
in the government
to get me to be
this much of a cynic.
I am going to do this
for you.
I'm going to wipe
the slate clean
as of today.
This is my New Year's resolution.
I hate New Year's resolutions
because I don't want to,
I don't need a crutch excuse
to make a new resolution
in my life or a change.
Exactly.
But,
since the timing is right,
I'm going to go with it.
When we come back,
and this is a good segue,
we're going to wrap up
the show anyway,
because I think we're,
I'm not sure,
I think we're over.
I'm going to segue.
Next week,
episode 25.
And by the way,
thank you for being on.
I'm glad to have had you
on the 24th.
Thank you.
Because the 25th is our,
you know,
I don't know what
anniversary it is,
but it's a big,
big step for us.
Came right through
the Christmas holidays,
so I'm going to air
the telephonic craptacular.
Put that on next week,
so it's not going to be
a normal show.
That'll be next week.
And I was glad to have you on
for the last show
before that.
Right.
You know,
so this is kind of a
milestone live show here.
I'm going to do for you,
starting on episode 26,
I'm wiping the slate clean.
I'm not going to prejudge
and call our senators
and our people
a bunch of idiots.
I'm going to try my best
to start over,
but I'm going to put you
on the spot,
and you're going to convince me
why I'm thinking about this wrong.
Why,
how come,
okay,
if I get mad
at one of these laws
being passed,
or I think something bad
or wrong happened,
I'm going to say,
Dool,
explain to me
how this happened.
Okay,
and we're going to have
this same debate
back and forth,
intelligent.
There's nothing wrong
with disagreeing,
arguing,
debating,
as long as it's
intelligent conversation.
Right.
You and I,
we're going to do this,
I don't know,
once a month,
once,
whenever we get the,
we're going to start
doing this more often.
Don't get me wrong now.
No,
no,
I'm doing this for you.
Out of respect for you,
we're going to do this.
And,
and,
and I have to apologize
for all,
you know,
for the,
for the huge ideas,
right,
that came out of,
out of these specific discussions.
Yeah,
we went kind of deep.
No way,
no means,
no way did I say
that these guys are Mensa,
okay?
But it all,
it all goes,
here's,
here's the thing,
what's important,
what's important to the people
that have downloaded the show
that are listening to the stream?
What,
what are important to,
you know,
what's important to you
and to me?
And this is really,
this is going to sound really
Sean Kennedy,
and it is,
because he's right.
What you can do,
what you have to do
and you must do
is,
is prepare yourself,
right?
You have to prepare yourself.
You have to,
you know,
whether it be research,
whether it be physical training,
you have to,
you have to be ready
and you have to,
um,
so army,
be the best that you can be
so you can deal with
any of these things
that they throw at you
because,
no,
they're not the smartest people
in the world
and they are influenced
by more money
than we'll ever see.
That's all I was saying.
No,
and,
and I,
see,
and,
I'm not saying
that they're not
any of those things,
but to say that
they don't know
what's going on
is absolutely wrong.
They know what,
they know what they're doing.
These are smart freaking people.
I guess,
I guess it's the levels.
They're not,
you know,
physicists,
right?
But they know
what they're doing.
They know what their agendas are
and they're,
and they're going to
reach their goals.
Maybe we need physicists
and rocket science
in,
in our,
in our government.
They what?
So maybe we need
rocket scientists
and physicists
and,
have you ever,
you've,
you've been to college.
I go with a lot of PhDs,
bro,
and they're a lot,
as a minor professor,
very accurate.
Yep,
very true.
Very accurate.
So there's,
and,
and again,
I'm sorry about all the,
all these huge,
you know,
ideas,
these huge notions
that have come out of this.
No,
I want to be sorry.
I think this is good conversation.
I know,
but I,
and it's not that I'm screwing the issue.
It's just not,
you know,
I can't,
I can't speak,
I'll admit,
I can't speak intelligently
to that last,
that last piece,
that STI,
whatever it is.
But that's okay.
Because I'm doing other things,
I'm making sure
that I'm ready
for whatever they throw out.
I want to prepare
as best I can.
And,
and there's infinite things
out there
to,
to listen to
and read
and,
and watch
and,
you know,
going back to what
we were talking about,
smart,
you plan this.
What?
That's a,
ah,
the point of show notes.
Ah,
maybe you ought to read those.
That's,
seriously,
you've got,
and,
I'm,
I'm going to,
I'm going to go in this.
I mean,
it's going to be much darker,
unfortunately,
but we're going to be talking
about that on RFA,
and I don't mean to pimp
the show on this,
but.
Not by all means.
It's,
it's kind of,
kind of what I plan
to talk about,
for a few reasons.
Segway.
That anybody could,
yeah,
no reasons that anybody
could ever think of,
but,
yeah.
This is Sean Kay,
man.
He's on,
I'm going to,
man.
That was a,
that was a cross-platform
Segway.
That's a Segway to
Radio Freak America.
90,
are you going to do 93?
90 freaking 3,
yeah.
93,
man.
You're old.
Yeah,
I know.
It's crazy.
93,
man.
You're like,
you're like,
this is going to be like
the Viagra years of RFA.
Like two years,
dude.
Two years.
That's a lot of freaking,
wow.
That's a lot of radio,
dude.
That's a long time.
It is,
it is.
Long,
hopefully,
at least 93 more.
Yeah.
And I hope to be some part of them.
Yeah,
we'll see about that.
Again,
thank you for being on the show.
Anytime.
We went very deep.
I think this was a very productive,
very good show.
I think people are sitting at home
thinking,
hopefully.
Every time I come on your show,
dude,
I think like I've never thought before.
Seriously.
Well,
I guess.
You always make me think,
and that's really good.
You and Bland.
I'm not sure what that means,
but we'll go with it.
You know,
and I'm going to do,
okay,
I'm going to do this,
my shout out.
Now again,
the telephonic craptacular next week.
We're going from a super ultra high,
I hope it was an intelligent conversation,
and next week we're going rock bottom
to the telephonic craptacular, baby.
Because we can,
because I can roll like that.
Because I can bring it like that.
I am going rock bottom next week
with the telephonic craptacular,
episode 25,
like I said.
Email us,
the new email address is radio
at binrev.com.
Our closing music tonight
is Ill Skill.
Somebody we used very early on
in some of the early episodes,
and I haven't gone back to in a while.
Just a track called Hip Hop Piano,
just a nice groovy piano beat,
piano groove over a beat.
Nice,
clean,
mellow song.
And my shout outs tonight,
as you can already see
in the notes,
I'm not sure what you're going
to follow up with,
but I'm going to give a shout out
to the men and women,
the brave men and women
of the armed forces
who have captured
one of the most evil men
on the planet.
That's my shout outs.
Forget,
you know,
any of the other stuff
we've talked about,
that's my shout outs
for the night.
Okie dokie.
Did you want to add,
or?
Yeah,
I want to shout out
the default radio,
in theory,
voodoo howl,
bland,
of course,
mute,
and of course
the whole
Arizona 2600 crew
of rags,
meme,
bob,
logic,
fiend,
all those mothers.
What about,
does Spidey
have any shouts out?
Spidey does,
he wants a shout out.
Yeah,
yeah,
I have your information.
I'm ready.
That's my favorite one
right there.
Speciality operators.
That's like the lamest one
right there.
Oh,
they have your information.
Oh,
she sounds so odd.
That is so ethnic,
man,
that is just so wrong.
I want information,
can I help you?
That is so bad.
I love that.
That's so bad.
Spider-Man.
All right,
man,
you know how we roll.
We will listen,
see,
hear,
speak to everyone
next week,
same hack time.
Same hack channel.
Peace out.
Out.
I'm coming at you,
yeah,
free,
right there.
Out.
Coming at you,
yeah.
Yeah
I'm not
Free word now
I'm not
Sure
Yeah
I'm not
I'm coming at you, yeah
We'll be right back.