This is dedicated to all the hackers and the crackers
I see in binary, I speak source code
Step on my toes, I'll post a million jpegs of you in a fag pose
In your digital stance, getting firewalled ho
Cause I'm riding the net in my six-fold
I was a dick with my 56
Now with my cable, I'm able to get that stable
On the out, my name is Ace and I'm a Leo
On the digital highway, my name is Neo and I'm a hero
In a flash, I'll school you on burning dream packs
You need some ISO? Let me through my hard drive rifle
Our exchange you could never stifle
In a digital hug, you just caught the love bug
I bootlegged your CD, I caused a fight between Un and Jay-Z
Cause CG, it's all gonna be free
Whether we take it by force or we take it nicely
You feel that rattle in your bones?
When I tell you we just hacked out Jones
And NASDAQ, leave your fight on your back
Cause I am he who loves to hack and crack
This is dedicated to the hackers and the criminals
Serial codes, source codes, ISOs, RANS, SIP, SIS
This is dedicated to the hackers and the crack
Welcome to Binary Revolution Radio, episode 28
Coming to you January 13, 2004
I am StankDawg and I am joined again this week
By the one and only, Voodoo Hal in the house
Hello again everybody
And once again we have another action-packed episode
Of Binary Revolution Radio
We have actually, we do
We have a lot of stuff to talk about today
We're gonna continue the list of 101 ways to save the internet
And we have a lot of feedback on the show this week
So I think probably we should jump into that
Stay with our normal layout, normal format
And our first email comes from
And forgive me if I mispronounce this
That's like a, every time I get an email
I always have to preface with that
Because some of these names
Man, how come we can never get like Bubba
Or Frank or Jethro or something like that
No, I had a really, really good email
And I, again, I apologize
But I'm hoping this is pronounced Axia
A-Q-X-E-A, Axia
It says, quote
I just visited your website for the first time
And I love your radio show
Thank you very much
I'm listening to the telephonic craptacular right now
And it's a riot
Thank you so much for sharing this with us
Thank you for listening to the show
That was totally an experimental thing
And I'm surprised at the feedback I've gotten from it
So, yeah, I guess I'm re-motivated
To maybe do that again for episode 50
If we make it that far
Or maybe just a surprise episode
Whenever I get enough material
I really didn't know how that was gonna go over at all
I thought that was just gonna make
It made me laugh
But I laugh at a lot of weird stuff sometimes
And, you know, by all means
Pass information about the show along
To anyone you think might find it interesting
Email it to people
Put it on your blogs
Put it on your website
Get more people coming to listen
We have new listeners every week
Growing slowly
Word of mouth gets out there
By all means
Spread the word out there
And tell people that we exist
And tell people that we have a good time
And we hopefully provide some
Interesting material and content
And teach some things on the show
I am still getting feedback to this day
About the craptacular
And I even saw
I saw at least one website
And someone said that they had forwarded an email
Parts of the craptacular
Particularly, I guess people like
The call to the RAAA
And all my attempts at voice
And celebrity impersonations
Such as they are
And it's been
Circulating, I guess, a little bit
So hopefully that'll draw in some people
Just for the comedy
Just for the humor aspect of it
And hopefully when they get here
And they find out that we are a hacking show
And that we are technology-based
Then maybe they'll stick around and listen
We have some humor in there as well
But
By all means
Spread it out there
And get people interested
However you feel the need
Just please, if you can
Leave the mp3 tag intact
Or give people a URL
Let them know that we exist
And where we're at
And hopefully we'll continue
To get new listeners
And we can continue to put out good shows
Hopefully
And I got another one
This week
From
Well, a person who mentioned
Their real name
And we're not going to mention that
On the air
Because I never know
How people feel about that
But I'll just say
It's good to hear from
A fellow academian
So they know who they are
And they say
They're referring
Well, let me read it first
It says
As per the article below
I suggest a new definition
For the word hacker
As follows
Any individual
Who uses a tool
Of any kind
In an attempt
To perform any act
That by its nature
Range from mildly irritating
To outright malicious
How much wider
Can a definition get?
And then he provides a link
And the link is something
Some of the listeners
May have heard of
Voodoo Hal
I think we were talking
About this earlier
About the Burger King
Drive-thru
About somebody
It's not all that difficult
You find the frequency
And broadcast
Through that frequency
People in the drive-thru
And kind of mess with them
Tell them that you're out of food
Or you don't do this
And basically interfere
With the drive-thru functions
Yeah
It's a prank
You know
I think it's kind of funny
It's not all that
You know
I guess it's harmless
It could be annoying
Very annoying
But you drive up to the window
You give them your order
After all
And you know
Life goes on
It's not that big of a deal
But
I guess
The article
Threw the word hacker around
So
Of course
That doesn't necessarily
They don't necessarily
Go hand in hand
As far as their definition
Let me read their definition
They gave again
It says
Any individual
Who uses a tool
Of any kind
In an attempt
To perform any act
That by its nature
Ranged from mildly irritating
To outright malicious
Now
I don't think
That defines
99% of hacking
But that's just me
I don't think
I guess it's
Application of hacking
That could
Contain that
But hacking itself
Is
And we've
Gosh
We've said this so many times
That it's about learning
And it's about
Figuring out the levels
And the limits of things
And going outside of the boundaries
And figuring out
What technology can
And can't do
And how to make it
Things
Do things that
We didn't think possible
And push it beyond
The known boundaries
And push the boundaries further
The application
Of these hacking techniques
Could turn into pranks
They could turn into
These annoying things
They could turn into
Downright crimes
And that's why
We get on the soapbox
Every once in a while
About throwing the word
Hacker out there
Because somebody
Breaks into a bank
Or somebody
Does some kind of fraud
Online
That's not what
Hacking is about
That is somebody
Applying
Hacking principle
To
A criminal activity
That doesn't mean
That that's what
Hacking is about
Those are
Independent actions
That are completely
Separate and independent
From what hacking is
Do you agree?
Am I
I think you're being
A little nice
And for what
I think I'm going to
Get up on the soapbox
For a moment
Before you
I'm pretty sure
They meant this
Sarcastically
Okay
Well okay
That's better
Because I mean
That's got to be
The worst
Worst definition
I've ever seen
Of hacker
I mean if you think
About a simple example
Of Bubba
Down the road
Everybody knows
Of Bubba
Or some form
Of Bubba
And the essence
Of Bubba
Some
Well we won't
Go there
Anyway
So let's say
Bubba
The snow cone
Story comes to mind
With a baseball bat
A baseball bat
Would be his tool
His pickup truck
Would be his tool
That would be
Mildly irritating
Or outright malicious
But I don't
I would never call
Bubba a hacker
Well
The snow cone
Story comes to mind
Well you know
I live in the south
I'm always coming up
With the hillbilly
The hillbilly hackers
Now yeah
I mean
I'm pretty sure
They meant this
Sarcastically
I'm almost
Positive of it
They were
Basically saying
You know
The newspapers
Are probably gonna
You know
This is what
The newspapers think
They were saying
This is what people
Think the definition
Of a hacker is
When it's really not
And I don't think
They meant it that way
I'm pretty sure
They were pointing out
The idiocy
Of the article
And how they're
Portraying hackers
So yeah
That's absolutely right
It's you know
You apply something
That someone else
Has learned
Or someone else
Has figured out
Someone else
Being the hacker
You know
Figures out
How to
I don't know
How to
Create a denial
Of service attack
And then some
Script kitty
Goes out and
Downloads some
DOS tool
And attacks the site
That does not
Make a hacker
You know
He's using something
That someone else
Made
So same thing
With this
However
I still
I'm still gonna
Go back and say
I think it's
Kind of funny
You know
It's a prank
And I mean
Gosh
If you can't
Laugh and
Have fun
In the world
Anymore
I think
That's really
Harmless
As long as
They're not
Doing it
Every day
Disrupting the
Flow of business
For hours
Upon hours
You know
It's a prank
It's hacking
I guess
Yeah I guess
I would say
It's application
Of some hacking
Ideas and techniques
Radio and
Frequencies
And you know
Stuff like that
Technically it's
Illegal
You know
The FCC
Probably has
Something to say
About that
But
You know
I don't know
It's not a crime
So I don't
Want to do the
Same thing
The media does
Just because
They did a
Prank or a
Joke
It's still
Not a crime
It's not
Hacking either
But let's
Put it in
Perspective
You know
They played a
Joke
Get over it
Anyway
You know
I had this
I had a
Line here
And I don't
Know if I
Want to bother
Reading this
Because it
Sounds kind
Of corny
Now that I
Read it
But
Well
Okay
I'll read it
I don't know
If how this
This sounds
Kind of silly
Now that I'm
Looking at my
Writing
But it's
I wrote a
Note to myself
That says
Trying to
Define hacking
Is like trying
To grab a
Handful of
Water
You know
What it is
You know
What it
Looks like
You know
What it
Feels like
But when
You grab it
You have it
For a second
Suddenly
It's gone
See the
Definition of
A hacker
And what a
Hacker is
Is polymorphic
In and of
Itself
It changes
It's always
About thinking
And progressing
And what a
Hacker was
Yesterday
Is completely
Different from
What a hacker
Is today
And what a
Hacker is
Tomorrow
So on top
Of the fact
That nobody
Seems to
Ever get it
And understand
It
They also
Can't wrap
Their mind
Around the
Fact that it
Changes
You know
Isn't that
The argument
Of awareness
Actually
What's that
Isn't
The
Metaphor
I guess
You just
Gave
Used to
Define
Awareness
As well
Yeah
I guess
It could be
It's the
Argument
Of being
Aware
Of awareness
Anyway
Boy
You're getting
Real deep
Now
Aren't you
This is a
Hacking show
Man
We can't
Talk that
Deep
Let's
Lighten it
Back up
Actually
And this
Is a
Great
This is
One
This is
One of
The best
Emails
I've
Gotten
In a
While
And this
Is
From a
Longtime
Friend
Of the
Show
Archangel
And he
Sent me
A news
Story
A yahoo
News
Story
Or so
I thought
Anyway
I got
An email
That looked
Like one
Of those
You go
To a
Site
And it
Says
Click
Here
To send
This
Story
To a
Friend
And it
Will
Mail
The url
To that
Person
Or mail
The article
Or whatever
It was
So I
Got an
Email
That was
From yahoo
Forwarded
Story
Or something
Like that
That you'll
Find this
Interesting
So I
Assumed it
Was some
Kind of
Article on
Hacking
Or technology
Or digital
Rights
Or something
That he
Was forwarding
Me and
Wanted me
To read
So I
Got the
Email
And I
Skimmed
Through it
And I'm
Looking
And I'm
Like okay
Well
Where's
The story
Where's
The link
There's
No
There's
Nothing
There
Except
A note
From him
Saying I
Thought you
Might
Find this
Interesting
So I'm
Looking at
And I'm
Like well
Maybe something
Messed up
Maybe there's
A mistake
Something screwed
Up but
Actually as
I looked
Again I
Noticed
That there
Was a
Problem
Well not a
Problem there
Was a
Bug I
Guess you
Say with
The email
Itself I
Noticed
That the
From address
Was from
I don't
Know auto
Stories at
Yahoo.com
Or something
Like that
Automatic
Story
Submission at
Yahoo.com
Something like
That but
Their reply
To address
Was archangel
At
Binrev.com
Which is
An address
That doesn't
Actually exist
So I'm
Looking at
That I'm
Like wait
A minute
What is
He trying
To tell
Me here
And I
Realized it
So I
Started
Playing around
With it
Went to
The site
Tried to
Recreate it
The same
Way and
Basically
The form
That you're
Presented
Doesn't
Verify the
Submission
Email address
Whether it's
Valid or not
Before sending
The email
Out
And I
Bet you
It's not
Just on
Yahoo
I bet you
A lot of
Other places
So if
You think
About this
You can
See the
Potential for
Abuse of
Something like
This
First of
All and
Voodoo
Howl I
Think you
Probably
Agree with
Me on
This
They don't
Care whether
The email
Is valid
Or identified
They're not
Going to
Verify any
Of that
Kind of
Stuff
They want
The traffic
You're going
To send
A story
Out to
Someone
To one
Of your
Friend's
Emails
Or one
Of your
Co-workers
Or something
Like that
They don't
Care as
Long as
It generates
Traffic and
A hit to
Their site
That's all
They want
I mean
Am I
Wrong
Oh
Exactly
It's all
About
The hits
Right
And so
They're not
Going to
Verify it
They couldn't
Care less
They probably
Haven't even
Thought about
It
So they
Let it
Happen
And what
That actually
Does is
I don't know
If there's
Already a
Term out
There but
I call
It
Subversive
Spam
Because you
See this
And you
Send it to
Your co-workers
And generate
A hit for
Them or you
See it and
You send it
To a mailing
List or
Whatever and
Basically you're
Forwarding out
The links to
Their site for
Them
So you're
Doing the
Work that
They don't
Have to
Pay a
Spammer
Or become
A spammer
To do
So the
Potential for
Abuse there
Obviously is
That you
Can write a
Script
You can
Write a
Script that
Will go
Out there
And mass
Mail this
To well
Infinite amount
Of people
As many
People as
You want
I did play
Around with it
And found a
Couple other
Little tricks
Though
And I'll
Post the
Link up in
The show
Notes
But
Combine
The fact
That it
Doesn't
Verify
That just
Is one
Fun thing
To do
With it
On top
Of that
You can
Do a
Little
URL
Manipulation
URL
Abuse
As I've
Labeled
It a
Long time
Back
And as
It turns
Out
You can
Actually
Create
Headlines
And
Stories
Forwards
By
Abusing
The
URL
Itself
To
Stuff
That
Doesn't
Even
Exist
And
I
Actually
Have a
Screenshot
And I'll
Put it
In the
Gallery
By the
Time
Show
Air
So you
Can
Check
Out
In the
Gallery
And the
Members
Or private
Area
Or something
Like that
It's called
Where we
Put up
Our
Little
Hacks
And
Screenshots
I'll put
It up
There
But
Basically
Shows
How you
Can
Abuse
The
URL
A little
Bit
And
Secondly
I didn't
Push it
This
Far
But
I had
This
Idea
In
Mind
Yahoo
Keeps
Track
Of how
Many
Times
Those
Stories
Get
Forwarded
Around
And
Pictures
On
Yahoo
Do you
Have a
Yahoo
Account
Yes
So you
Know
That they
Also
Have a
Feature
Where
They
Show
The
Most
Forwarded
Pictures
And
Most
Forwarded
And
Hot
List
Of
Most
Popular
Stories
And
Stuff
Like
That
Well
What
I'm
Wondering
Is
They
Obviously
Count
Them
If I
Abuse
It
And
Forward
My
HTTP STankDawg.com
Address
If I
Abuse
It
And
Put
That
Out
And
Then
Write
A
Script
To
It
To
Generate
A
Million
Hits
Like
That
Do
You
Think
It's
Possible
Do
You
Think
They're
Dumb
Enough
To
Let
Me
Backdoor
My
Way
Into
The
Top
Of
Their
Most
Forwarded
Sites
List
Or
Most
Forwarded
News
Stories
List
I
Think
We
Should
Find
Out
Well
There's
Only
One
Way
To
Find
Out
But
I
Didn't
Go
There
This
Time
That
Remains
To
Be
Seen
I
Might
Have
To
Give
That
A
Shot
Just
To
See
If
It
Can
Be
Done
But
That
Could
Be
Very
Interesting
That
Could
Be
Very
Funny
To
See
At
The
Top
Of
Yahoo
Most
Forwarded
Stories
A
Link
To
Stankdawg
Or
Bin
Rev
Or
Whatever
I
Think
That
Could
Be
If
They
Haven't
Thought
This
Through
And
That
Allows
Me
To
Do
That
Could
Be
That
Could
Be
Funny
That
Could
Be
Funny
I
Don't
Know
Maybe
I
Should
Email
And
Tell
Them
About
That
First
And
See
But
Anyway
For
That
Cool
Trick
Archangel
Thank
You
For
Sending
Me
That
Email
I
Saw
It
Figured
It
Out
And
Gave
Me
About
Half
Hour
To
An
Hour
Worth
Of
Director
And
Send
It
To
Whatever
Email
Address
You
Want
But
If
You
Want
The
Vanity
Email
Address
Contact
Me
And
You
Won't
Have
To
Spoof
It
In
The
Future
You
Can
Actually
Have
A
Valid
Email
Address
So
Thank
You
For
That
Very
Much
I
Appreciate
It
And
That
Wraps
Up
The
Mailbag
For
This
Week
Now
Going
Into
You
Know
DVD
Escapades
We
Talked
About
Last
Week
Um
There's
Not
A
Whole
Lot
Um
Spent
Most
All
Of
I
Guess
Sunday
Yeah
I
Think
That
Was
The
Day
One
Day
Last
Week
Um
Working
On
It
We
It
Was
I
Didn't
We
Didn't
Talk
About
This
But
It
Was
A
Pretty
Big
Nightmare
Actually
If
You
Have
One
Of
Those
Days
Nothing
Seems
To
Be
Right
I
Mean
No
Matter
What
You
Do
Starting
Your
Car
Doesn't
Go
Right
The
Simple
Things
In
Life
Don't
Go
Right
And
That
Was
That
Day
Um
Yikes
We
Just
Ran
Into
So
Many
And
It
Wasn't
The
Whole
Thing
Should
Have
Been
Easy
And
It
Really
Is
The
Problems
We
Ran
Into
Were
Things
Like
We
Decided
To
Go
Debian
For
Our
Distribution
On
The
Servers
Themselves
Which
I
Would
Say
I
Am
Very
Familiar
With
Debian
Since
I
Run
It
Almost
All
My
Machines
Now
Sounds
Like
A
Good
Choice
Yeah
If
I
Running
Linux
It
Is
Going
To
Be
Debian
Well
I
Had
This
Problem
Happen
One
Other
Time
And
I
Still
Don't
Know
What
Caused
It
But
I
Don't
Know
If
Some
Of
You
Have
Debian
They
Have
They
Have
Apps
Which
Is
An
Automatic
Dependency
Thing
If
You
Want
Been
Installed
Well
One
Other
Time
I
Had
It
Become
Corrupt
I
Mean
The
File
Just
Disappeared
It
Was
Gone
And
So
Anytime
You
Tried
To
Add
A
New
Application
It
Would
Want
To
Install
Everything
Because
There
Were
Technically
There
Were
No
Dependencies
Installed
Including
The
Base
Linux
System
So
It
Want
To
Go
Out
And
Install
It
So
After
Two
Or
Three
Hours
Of
Getting
The
Debian
The
First
Machine
Up
Exactly
How
We
Wanted
It
We
Realized
Oh
Okay
We
Need
To
Install
Secure
Shell
On
This
Thing
And
That
Is
When
It
Started
We
Tried
To
Get
Secure
Shell
And
All
Of
A
Sudden
It
Started
Trying
To
Install
Everything
And
We
Had
No
Way
Of
Recovering
It
So
That
Was
Just
The
One
Thing
That
Went
Wrong
Wow
Yeah
And
We
Decided
To
Go
Debian
Again
And
We
After
Getting
That
Up
And
Going
Again
We
Had
That
Fine
And
Then
I
Was
There
And
Had
To
Do
A
Couple
Other
Things
Did
Some
Data
Recovery
On
Another
Linux
Machine
That
Didn't
Want
To
Boot
For
Anything
So
Right
Now
We
Have
One
Note
Or
One
Of
The
Eight
Processor
Machines
Installed
We
Should
Be
Finishing
It
In
The
Next
Two
Weeks
Or
So
Hopefully
So
Not
You
Until
You
Actually
Get
Into
It
You
Know
You
Figure
Out
What
You
Know
You
Come
Up
With
Obstacles
And
Hurdles
And
The
Thing
Is
You
Are
Able
To
Get
Through
Them
Right
That
Is
The
Sign
Of
Being
A
Hacker
Is
When
You
Find
That
And
You
Hit
That
Challenge
And
You
Work
Your
Way
Through
It
And
Figure
Out
How
To
Get
Through
Now
You
May
Not
Get
Through
It
As
Quickly
As
You
Like
But
Getting
It
Going
So
Hopefully
By
Next
Time
You
Talk
We
Talk
About
It
You'll
Have
Some
Better
News
For
Us
I
Hope
Yeah
Well
I
Can
Also
Give
You
Some
Simple
Stats
On
We
Got
One
Of
The
A
Processor
Nodes
Up
And
We
Ran
D.net
C
Obviously
Pretty
Great
Benchmarking
One
Eighth
Processor
Machines
So
Not
Bad
You
Man
You're
Going
To
Jump
You're
Going
To
Leap
Frog
To
The
Top
Of
That
Yeah
If
We
Get
All
Four
Going
Plus
All
Those
Ripper
Nodes
We'd
Be
Doing
Pretty
Good
Wow
Yep
Very
Much
You
Know
That's
What
Those
Top
Teams
Are
Doing
They're
Putting
It
On
This
Big
Heavy
Metal
System
So
Yeah
That's
Going
To
That'll
Help
Tremendously
Probably
Next
Weekend
I guess
Or
Excuse
Me
This
Upcoming
Weekend
I guess
You'll
Be
Have
Time
To
Work
On
It
Some
More
Yeah
We
Were
Supposed
To
Do
It
Tonight
Actually
Earlier
Today
But
The
Other
Person
Who
Actually
Had
Access
To
The
Hardware
Had
To
Back
Out
Right
Well
If
You
Had
Secure
Shell
On
There
You
Could
But
Anyway
Now
For
Me
This
Past
Week
I
Don't
Even
Know
If
I
Should
Bring
This
Up
And
Jinx
Myself
Because
You
And
I
Were
Talking
About
This
Before
Yeah
I
Guess
It
Won't
Yeah
I
Don't
Believe
In
Jinxes
Here
We
Go
I
Switched
From
Bell
South
DSL
Because
People
Have
Heard
Me
Ran
On
How
Much
I
Hate
Them
And
I
Do
Really
Do
I
Finally
Broke
Down
And
Switch
To
Comcast
I
Mean
They
Doubled
It
From
1.5
To
3
Megabits
Per
Second
How
Can
You
Say
No
To
That
How
Can
You
Not
Try
That
You
Know
So
I
Finally
Pulled
The
Trail
I
Shouldn't
Say
Finally
Actually
It
Was
Not
Available
To
Me
Until
Fairly
Recently
So
When
I
Saw
It
Was
Available
I
And
They
Jumped
At
The
Three
I
Had
To
Jump
On
It
So
I
Had
Them
Install
That
A
Couple
Days
Ago
So
Far
So
Good
I
Haven't
Tried
To
Get
It
Working
With
My
Internal
Network
And
My
Wireless
Access
Point
Stuff
Like
That
But
Right
Now
It
Is
Hooked
Up
And
Working
Directly
To
My
One
Main
PC
That
We
Doing
A
Show
On
Right
Now
And
Do
The
Streaming
On
And
It
Fast
It
Really
Few
More
Days
Maybe
A
Week
At
The
Most
And
As
Long
As
Everything
Stable
And
As
Long
As
I
Can
Get
My
Networking
Equipment
To
Work
With
This
I
Think
I'm
Going
To
Cut
Off
The
DSL
I'm
Sure
I'm
Going
To
Cut
Off
The
DSL
If
I
Can
Get
Working
And
Then
The
Next
Step
Beyond
That
Is
To
Cancel
The
Phone
Service
Completely
I
Will
Have
Bell
South
Out
Of
My
Life
Completely
Which
Will
Be
A
Joyous
Occasion
We'll
Have
A
Special
Celebration
Episode
For
That
I
Haven't
Decided
What
I'm
Going
To
Do
Whether
I'm
Going
To
Go
Cell
Phone
Only
Just
Stick
With
The
Cell
Phone
From
My
Phone
Company
Or
Probably
More
Than
Likely
I'll
Try
Out
Vonage
Box
Or
Packet
Eight
Or
One
Of
Those
Type
Things
So
I
Will
Be
Doing
My
Research
Talking
With
Decoder
And
Lucky
225
Those
Guys
See
What
They
Still
Recommend
Because
One
Week
It's
One
Thing
Another
Week
It's
Something
Else
So
Let's
See
What
The
Flavor
Of
The
Month
Is
And
Make
A
Decision
Myself
And
Try
One
Out
So
I
Can
Get
Long
Distance
All
You
Can
Eat
For
A
Reasonable
Amount
And
Not
Have
To
My
Computer
Room
All
Rewired
And
Stuff
Like
That
So
I'm
Going
On
With
That
Right
Now
Also
I
Mentioned
A
While
Back
On
The
Show
Geocaching
And
I
Forgot
To
Mention
Since
That
Time
When
We
Did
The
Telephonic
Craptacular
It
Was
Kind
Of
We
Took
A
Little
Bit
Of
Break
For
The
Holidays
And
During
That
Time
I
Actually
Went
On
My
First
Geocache
And
I
Been
Meaning
To
Mention
That
On
The
Air
But
I
Never
Got
Around
To
It
But
I
Found
A
Geocache
Close
To
Where
I
Work
Actually
I
Went
Out
With
My
Friend
Cy
Two
My
Friend
Wonk
Both
Of
Whom
You'll
See
In
Hack
TV
Some
Other
Friends
And
Went
On
First
Geocache
Just
For
The
Fun
Of
It
And
It
Was
It
Was
Surprisingly
Fun
Even
For
Nothing
Else
But
For
A
Nice
Walk
Outside
Get
A
Breath
Of
Fresh
Air
See
The
Scenery
And
Stuff
Like
That
It
Was
Really
Fun
And
I
Do
Think
I
Might
Do
Some
More
I
Find
Some
More
Locally
Or
Maybe
Even
If
I
Go
On
A
Trip
Out
Of
Town
I
Might
Find
One
While
I'm
Out
Of
Town
Adds
To
The
Challenge
Of
Not
Knowing
The
So
I
Had
A
Fun
Have
You
Ever
Been
On
A
Geocache
Before
Never
Ever
Had
The
Desire
Not
Really
Let
Me
Translate
That
No
It's
Kind
Of
Fun
I
Haven't
Seen
The
Sun
In
Years
Okay
Yeah
Right
And
That's
What
I'm
Saying
I
Kind
Of
Spend
So
Much
Time
In
Front
Of
The
Computer
Between
Work
And
The
Show
And
Side
Work
And
Playing
At
Home
Et
A
Reason
To
Go
Outside
To
Do
Something
Like
That
I
Try
To
Get
Out
Outside
As
Much
As
I
Can
But
Every
New
Reason
Helped
So
I
Thought
It
Was
I
Thought
It
Yeah
I
Mentioned
I
Mentioned
To
Mention
That
On
An
Earlier
Show
And
Forgot
All
About
It
So
Thanks
To
Droops
Actually
For
Getting
Me
Kind
Of
Inspired
And
Letting
Me
Learn
About
What
It
Was
So
Shouts
To
Him
For
Getting
Me
Interested
Now
Our
Main
Topic
Coming
Up
In
The
Show
And
We're
A
Good
Ways
Into
The
Show
But
Our
Main
Topic
Coming
Up
Is
On
Quick
Statistics
Everybody
The
Regular
Listeners
Know
How
Much
I
Love
Statistics
Gives
You
A
Real
Great
Perspective
On
Things
And
Knowing
Getting
Some
Solid
Numbers
Because
So
Many
Times
You
Take
For
Granted
Oh
Everybody
Does
This
And
Everybody
Must
Have
That
And
I
Think
Everybody
Knows
No
Well
Let's
Put
It
In
Statistics
Put
It
In
Perspective
And
You
Have
A
Better
Idea
Of
Exactly
What
Everybody
Means
Or
Whether
It's
True
When
You
Say
That
Kind
Of
Stuff
Specifically
This
One
Is
From
The
New
Popular
Science
Magazine
Which
I
Just
Got
A
Day
Ago
And
It's
Just
A
Little
Blurb
With
Some
Statistics
That
I
Found
Interesting
And
I
Wanted
To
Share
With
You
First
Of
All
Percentage
Of
The
World
That
Is
On
The
Internet
Of
The
World
Is
Ten
Percent
Ninety
Percent
Of
The
Reason
We
Take
For
Granted
Is
Because
The
Percentage
Of
Americans
That
Are
On
The
Internet
Is
A
Wapping
65
Percent
Huge
Difference
Between
The
United
States
And
The
Rest
Of
The
World
As
Far
As
The
Percentage
And
Number
Of
People
On
The
Internet
So
Keep
That
In
Mind
A
Lot
Of
Times
You
Know
The
United
States
Is
Not
The
Internet
Is
World
Wide
But
There
Are
Some
Parts
Of
The
World
That
Still
Do
Not
Have
The
Economic
Power
They
Don't
Have
The
Technical
Power
They
Don't
Have
The
Frankly
Some
Of
Might
Not
Have
The
Desire
Some
Countries
Still
Have
Government
Restrictions
Any
Number
Of
Reasons
So
Keep
That
In
Mind
Sometimes
And
Count
Your
Blessings
On
How
Good
We
Have
It
Sometimes
Privilege
Anyway
Out
Of
Those
This
Is
Another
One
I
Found
Interesting
This
One
Surprised
Me
I
Didn't
Think
This
Number
Was
So
High
But
The
American
Households
With
Broadband
Internet
Access
Compared
To
Those
Without
Broadband
Or
Narrow
Band
Or
Just
Plain
Old
Dial
Up
We
Have
18
Million
People
With
Broadband
Which
Is
Approximately
30
Percent
So
Out
Of
That
65
Percent
Of
People
With
Net
30
Percent
Of
Those
Have
DSL
Cable
Modem
They
Have
Some
Type
Of
High
Speed
Access
42
Million
Which
Would
Be
The
Other
70
Percent
Still
Use
Dial
Up
And
They're
All
Still
On
AOL
Yeah
Exactly
God
Help
Them
Did
You
Really
I
That
Surprised
Me
Did
You
Think
That
30
Percent
Of
The
People
Had
Broadband
Already
I
Thought
The
Number
Would
Be
Much
Lower
I
Was
Thinking
Maybe
10
To
15
Yeah
I
Was
Thinking
Somewhere
In
That
Range
To
Lower
Teens
But
I
Guess
They're
Rolling
It
Out
I
Don't
Think
The
I
Think
The
Price
The
Market
Price
The
Market
Entry
Point
Right
Now
Is
I
Think
It's
A
Little
High
But
I
Think
It's
At
A
Good
Spot
To
Get
The
Majority
Of
People
Who
Want
That
High
Speed
Access
So
I
Think
Right
Now
It's
Good
I
Think
It's
Bound
To
Go
Down
In
The
Future
As
More
Competition
For
That
Market
Arises
But
For
Right
Now
I
Think
It's
Getting
People
Who
Want
Running
So
Yeah
I
Found
Those
Numbers
Interesting
And
There's
Also
A
Couple
Others
Here
I
Wanted
To
Share
With
You
And
This
Is
We
Had
Talked
Probably
On
Several
Occasions
On
Past
Shows
About
Email
And
How
Many
Spam
Messages
There
Are
And
I
Get
An
Obscene
Number
Of
Spam
Messages
Here
Is
Some
Estimates
Here
Are
Some
Estimates
Proper
Grammar
One
Typical
Day
Of
Email
One
Typical
Day
From
This
Past
Year
These
Are
Estimates
Averages
Whatever
You
Want to
Call
It
There
Were
On
Any
One
Given
Day
11.6
Billion
With
A
B
As
In
Bill
Gates
Billion
Normal
Person
To
Person
Emails
As
In
General
Everyday
Valid
Emails
Intended
To
Be
Sent
From
Person
A
To
Person
B
11.6
Billion
In
Addition
To
That
There
Were
7.7
Billion
With
A
B
Spam
Email
Sent
7.7
Well
Let's
Round
That
Up
To
8
And
Round
The
Up
To
12
So
8
To
12
So
There's
Almost
As
Many
Spam
Messages
For
Every
12
There's
8
6
To
4
3
To
2
So
There's
A
2
To
3
Ratio
There
And
A lot
Of
Spam
That's
All
And
That
What I
Said
At
The
Beginning
One
Day
One
Day
Multiply
That
I
You
Know
What
It's
Staggering
It's
Just
Staggering
In
Addition
To
Those
Two
Items
There's
4.6
Billion
Alerts
And
Notifications
Which
I
Think
Those
Are
More
Along
The
Lines
Of
Mailing
Lists
And
Like
Order
Confirmation
Stuff
Like
That
Oh
I
Was
Thinking
More
Like
4
Billion
Of
Those
Came
Straight
From
Microsoft
Yeah
In
The
Form
Of
Alerts
Exactly
They
Need
That
Still
Wouldn't
Be
Enough
To
Cover
Their
Security
Problem
So
Yeah
Those
Man
That's
A lot
And
That's
One
Typical
Day
I'm
Sure
There
Were
Days
When
There
Were
More
Spam
Messages
Than
Person
To
Person
Messages
I'm
Sure
There
Were
And
Who
Knows
If
You know
That
Was
That
Was
For
2003
Who
Knows
By
The
End
Of
2003
Maybe
There
Were
More
Or
Less
You know
The
Average
But
The
Final
Stat
I've
Got
For
You
And
This
Is
Staggering
The
Total
Worldwide
Email
Sent
In
2003
We
Are
Now
In
The
Two
Double
Oh
Four
January
2004
So
From
The
Year
2003
The
Total
Number
Of
Worldwide
Email
Sent
Is
Approximated
Now
To
Put
In
Perspective
We
Told
You
There
Were
How
Many
Billion
On
A
Typical
Day
Earlier
There
Were
Approximately
12.6
Trillion
With
A
TR
Trillion
Not
To
Be
Confused
With
The
Instant
Message
Application
Trillion
There
Were
12.6
Trillion
Email
Sent
Worldwide
Last
Year
That's
Phenomenal
The
Real
Question
Is
How
Many
IMs
Were
Sent
Last
Year
Oh
Man
You
Count
Just
Individual
Conversations
Or
Each
Individual
Message
Within
That
Conversation
Each
Individual
Message
Oh
Lord
Oh
Man
That
Could
Get
See
And
There
There's
Our
Bandwidth
There's
All
Our
Bandwidth
Man
People
Sending
You
Know
What
And
Let's
Go
Back
To
That
Again
7.7
Billion
Spam
Messages
Per
Day
Multiply
That
Out
12.6
Trillion
Total
In
A
Two
To
Three
Ratio
We're
Going
To
Say
What
Is
That
Eight
Trillion
Of
Those
Approximately
Am
I
Off
My
Matt
I'm
Ballparking
It
Right
There
Eight
Trillion
Of
Those
Were
No
That's
Too
Much
That's
Too
High
Yeah
So
Let's
See
12.67
So
Yeah
No
Yeah
That's
A little
High
Probably
I don't
Know
We'll
Say
Half
Of
That
Was
Spam
And
That's
The
Cost
To
Well
Actually
Who
Is
That
A
Cost
To
Eating
Up
Bandwidth
With
This
Junk
Mail
Somebody
Has
To
Pay
For
That
Well
That
Comcast
Now
What
Do
You
Care
Well
You
Know
What
That's
Right
Who
Cares
About
The
Rest
The
Dial
Up
Forget
If
You're
Using
AOL
You
Deserve
It
Oh
All right
Anyway
I'm
Sorry
I
Always
Find
Statistics
Incredibly
Interesting
It
Really
Puts
A
Perspective
On
Things
And
Let
You
Know
Exactly
What
Is
True
And
What
Isn't
True
Yes
There's
A
Famous
Book
Called
How
To
Lie
With
Statistics
But
If
You
See
And
Understand
The
Data
Statistics
Don't
Lie
They
Really
Don't
Anyway
Our
Main
Topic
And
I'm
Going
To
Turn
Most
Of
This
Over
To
You
Is
I
Wanted
To
Talk
About
The
GPL
Because
You
And
I
Had
A
Really
Interesting
Discussion
About
I
Did
Kind
Of
Derivation
Of
SUSE
Linux
And
We
Got
Into
A
Conversation
About
How
Does
A
Company
Do
That
Go
About
Releasing
A
Pay
Only
A
Linux
Distribution
That
You
Actually
Have
To
Pay
To
Use
Doesn't
That
Conflict
With
The
GPL
So
I
Thought
We
Just
Kind
Of
Cover
First
Of
All
The
GPL
In
General
So
You
Know
A
Lot
More
About
It
Than
I
Do
Don't
Sell
Yourself
Short
You
Know
This
A
Lot
Better
Than
I
Do
Frankly
So
I
I'll
Play
The
I'll
Ask
The
Questions
And
I
Will
Learn
From
This
Segment
Okay
You
First
Of
All
What
Is
The
GPL
Let's
Start
With
The
Basics
For
Some
Of
Our
Listeners
Who
Don't
Even
Know
What
GPL
Stands
For
Okay
The
General
Public
License
Is
Basically
A
Software
License
Personally
I
Don't
Know
The
History
Of
It
All
Too
Well
So
I
Couldn't
Tell
You
Where
It
Was
Who
Originally
Wrote
It
Where
It
Came
From
But
Is
Basically
A
License
For
All
Your
Open
So
Not
All
A
Large
Amount
Of
Open
Source
Software
That
All
For
Modifications
Of
This
Is
What
Makes
Open
Source
Open
Source
For
The
Most
Part
To
Me
I
Don't
Know
Where
To
Go
From
Well
Basically
Free
Public
License
It
Is
Free
Use
And
I
Guess
The
Big
The
Big
Word
That
People
Get
Confused
About
Is
What
Does
Free
Mean
Free
As
In
No
Cost
Free
As
In
Freedom
Free
As
In
What
Is
The
Point
Of
The
GPL
In
Regards
To
Making
Source
Code
Free
Freely
Available
Are
We
All
To
Charge
Money
For
The
Code
That
In
The
GPL
Well
That
What's
Funny
Actually
One
Of
The
Things
We
Talked
About
Was
Possibility
Of
Hooks
And
Software
We'll
Get
To
That
In
A
Second
But
Another
Thing
That
GPL
Allows
For
Well
We'll
Start
With
The
Basic
Stuff
Basically
Any
GPL
Software
You
Can
Download
And
Use
For
Free
What's
Funny
Is
That
If
You
Read
The
GPL
It
Also
Says
That
You
Don't
Actually
Have
To
Agree
To
The
License
To
Use
Software
But
You
Do
Have
To
Agree
To
Distribute
It
Or
To
Make
Changes
To
It
So
Basically
One of
The
Things
In
The
GPL
That
I
Find
Really
Funny
Is
That
You
Can
Charge
For
You
May
Charge
A
Fee
For
The
Physical
Act
Of
Transferring
A
Copy
And
You
May
At
Your
Option
Offer
Warranty
Protection
That
Is
You
May
Charge
A
Fee
For
Physical
Act
Of
Transferring
A
Copy
That
Includes
Putting
On
A
CD
And
If
You
Notice
There
Is
No
There
Is
No
Governing
By
Part
Of
The
Licensing
Is
There
A
Limit
To
What
You
Can
Charge
Which
I
Find
It
Terribly
Funny
Right
Well
And
Historically
That's
What
A
Lot
Of
The
Early
Distributions
Would
Do
Is
Charge
And
This
Was
Back
Before
Broadband
Took
Off
If
You
Wanted
To
Copy
Linux
You
Would
Pay
Five
Bucks
Ten
But
It
Was
Still
A
Reasonable
Amount
They
Would
Charge
Whatever
It
Cost
For
Them
To
Copy
It
Or
Burn
It
To
A
CD
And
Mail
It
Out
To
If
You
Wanted
Some
Of
The
Earlier
On
If
You
Didn't
Have
You
Know
If
You
Were
On
A
University
Or
Somewhere
Where
You
Had
A
Lot
Of
Bandwidth
You
There
And
Get
The
Linux
Distros
The
Early
Linux
Distros
Out
To
People
But
The
Problem
In
It
Is
That
They
Never
Really
Defined
How
Much
You
Could
Charge
For
Transferring
Right
What
Is
A
Fair
Amount
Right
And
The
Other
Thing
That
You
Mentioned
The
Other
And
I
Don't
Know
If
We
Should
Call
These
Loopholes
These
Are
Intentional
You
Know
There
Is
Nothing
Wrong
Let
Me
Go
On
The
Record
Here
And
I
Don't
Know
If
You're
Going
To
Agree
With
Me
But
There's
Nothing
Wrong
With
Making
Money
In
The
Software
Industry
There
Really
Isn't
If
You
Do
It
Right
And
Play
Fair
And
Play
Within
The
Rules
I
Completely
Agree
But
This
I
Don't
Know
This
Could
Be
Considered
I
Think
This
Is
A
Under
Handed
I
Mean
On
One
Let's
Say
You
Even
Use
VI
Another
GPL
Tool
That
Source
Code
You
Don't
Have
To
License
That
Under
GPL
Things
You
Would
Have
To
License
Under
GPL
Would
Be
Like
If
You
Took
The
Source
Code
To
VI
And
You
Wanted
To
Add
Some
Features
To
It
Then
That's
When
It
Falls
Into
GPL
You
Have
To
License
GPL
But
What
I
Find
Underhanded
About
It
Are
Companies
That
Can
I'll
Call
Them
Hooks
In
This
Case
It
Is
Pretty
Much
What
It
Is
Let's
Say
That
You
Have
This
GPL
Piece
Of
Software
You
Want
To
Base
Your
Product
On
It
But
You
Don't
Want
Your
To
Be
Open
Source
What
They
Can
Do
Is
Let's
Say
You
Have
A
We'll
Take
A
Very
Simple
Example
Let's
Say
You
Have
A
Text
Editor
We'll
Use
VI
Again
Let's
Say
You
Want
To
Write
Some
Custom
Things
To
Add
On
To
VI
To
I
Don't
Know
Have
It
Make
Coffee
For
You
On
Your
Linux
Coffee
Maker
I
Don't
Know
If
You
Can
Think
Of
Other
Examples
For
That
Good
Anyway
I
Like
The
Coffee
Maker
Okay
Well
That
Works
Well
Let's
Say
You've
Got
Your
Own
Proprietary
Coffee
Maker
That
Runs
Your
Own
Proprietary
OS
Linux
In
This
Case
Won't
Work
Because
Again
It's
GPL
Let's
Say
You've
Got
Your
Let's
Say
Sun
Decided
To
Make
A
Coffee
Maker
That
Runs
Solaris
This
Is
Getting
Bizarre
But
All
Right
If
You
Could
Write
You
Could
Write
A
Software
API
On
Top
Of
The
On
Top
Of
A
GPL
Piece
Of
Software
That
Would
Have
To
Be
GPL
You
Would
Have
To
Release
The
Source
Code
But
The
Catch
Is
You
Don't
Necessarily
Have
To
Release
The
Proprietary
Part
Let's
Say
That
You
Write
All
This
All
This
Software
That
All
These
Communications
APIs
Or
Whatever
For
This
Coffee
Maker
You
Have
You
Don't
Have
To
Release
The
Source
Code
For
The
Coffee
Maker
The
Firmware
That
The
Coffee
Maker
Runs
On
Because
Technically
That
Wasn't
Written
For
Under
The
GPL
It
Was
Your
Own
Source
Code
And
The
Problem
With
That
Is
You
Can
Now
Write
Software
That
Controls
Your
Coffee
Maker
But
The
Problem
Is
Without
The
Actual
Other
Piece
Of
It
That
Software
Is
Usel
You
Can
GPL
It
All
Day
Long
You
Can
Give
It
To
Your
Closest
Friend
Your
Grandmother
It
Is
Not
Going
To
Do
You
Any
Good
Without
This
Proprietary
Piece
Of
Code
And
So
It's
A
Pretty
Underhanded
Way
Of
Getting
Around
The
GPL
Right
And
The
Reason
That
This
Came
Up
And
The
Reason
I
Want
To
Talk
About
It
Is
Specifically
The
Sun
Example
When
We
Talked
About
The
Sun
Java
Desktop
System
Which
Is
A
Derivation
Of
Sousa
Linux
I
Think
It
Was
SLC
1.0
Of
Sousa
They
Basically
See
This
Is
The
Part
That
I
Want
To
Make
Sure
That
Listeners
Will
Understand
Or
At
Least
Grasp
The
Concept
Of
Why
There's
A
Controversy
Or
Why
There's
A
Loophole
In
The
Licenses
Sun
Is
A
Really
Good
Example
I
Think
Because
Java
Programming
Environment
The
Java
Development
Environment
Is
Free
Freely
Available
Download
It
Use
It
Write
Applications
In
Java
What
Else
Sun
Oh
Gosh
They
Have
Other
Free
Let's
Make
A
Distinction
Real
Quick
Even
Though
Java
Is
Free
It's
Not
GTL
Right
And
That's
What
I
Wanted
To
Clarify
They
Just
Because
They
Release
A
Free
Software
Package
And
They
Have
Sousa
It's
Based
On
Sousa
Linux
Distro
Which
Is
Also
A
Under
The
GPL
Linux
Kernel
Linux
Distribution
Which
Has
To
Be
Made
Source
Code
Has
To
Be
Made
Freely
Available
They
Still
Somehow
Get
Away
With
Charging
For
All
This
Free
Software
So
What
Is
The
Distinction
There
Why
Is
This
Allowed
To
Happen
Well
Again
I think
It
Comes
Back
Down
To
The
Fact
That
You
Can
Write
Software
Using
GPL
Tools
And
Even
For
A
GPL
Environment
But
Not
Necessarily
Have
It
Based
On
Anything
Previously
GPL
I
Think
That's
Probably
A lot
Of
What
They've
Done
Is
They've
Written
Their
Own
Interfaces
And
All
This
Other
Stuff
That
Wasn't
Based
On
Anything
That
Was
GPL
So
They
Can
Basically
Say
Yeah
You
Can
Have
The
Core
System
But
The
User
Interface
Stuff
Is
ours
We
Wrote
It
I
Think
That's
What
They're
Doing
Unlike
I
Think
Was
It
Red Hat
Back
In
The
Day
Or
Probably
Still
Does
You
Charge
For
Support
Rather
Than
Actually
Selling
You
Know
They
Can
As
Long
As
They're
Still
Making
That
Source
Code
Freely
Available
And
I
Think
That's
What's
Happened
To
Them
Recently
Is
They
Finally
Decided
You
Know
What
We're
Not
Making
Any
Money
Off
Of
Our
Typical
Everyday
Users
We're
Not
Making
Any
Money
On
People
Who
Download
The
Source
Code
Because
They
Don't
Pay
For
Support
They
Don't
Even
Pay
For
The
Cost
Of
Distributing
Discs
To
Them
And
Stuff
Like
That
So
I
Think
That's
Why
They
Pulled
Back
And
Gone
Corporate
And
They
Released
Fedora
Unto
The
World
Is
Because
They
Realized
That
That's
Not
The
Way
To
Make
Money
Using
Linux
And
Unfortunately
That's
A
Thought
That
I
Think
The
Linux
Community
Never
Worried
About
Or
For
Saw
It
Was
Hope
That
It
Would
Grow
And
Become
Popular
But
I
Don't
See I
Don't
Know
I
Don't
Want
To
Use
The
Word
Abandoned
Because
Linux
Was
There
And
Growing
And
Open
Source
Software
And
Stuff
Was
Growing
Before
Red Hat
And
It
Will
Grow
Long
After
Red Hat
But
To
Lose
To
Lose
A
Heavy
Hitter
Like
Red Hat
Is
Kind
Of
Scary
I
Don't
Know
It's
Not
I
Don't
Think
The
Ability
For
Proprietary
Software
To
Be
Written
For
Linux
Is
Such
A
Bad
Thing
I
Don't
Think
It's
Something
I
Think
If
Anything
Helps
Growth
Because
Now
You
Start
Seeing
Companies
Like
IBM
Step
In
IBM
Even
Funds
Starting
To
Move
To
Linux
For
Their
High
End
Servers
Which
Is
Kind
Of
Funny
They
Have
Solaris
But
We
Won't
Get
Into
That
I
Just
I
Think
It's
A
Good
Thing
In
A
Way
Because
Not
Only
Do
You
Have
Companies
Now
That
Are
Not
Only
Writing
Their
Own
GPR
I'm
Sorry
Their
Own
Proprietary
Software
For
Them
But
That
Also
Makes
That
Forces
Linux
Into
Mainstream
Even
More
Because
Now
You've
Got
Corporations
Who
You know
Have
Been
Using
We'll
Say
Sun
In
This
Case
Forever
And
Or
I
Can't
Think
Of
Another
Good
Example
But
Some
Other
Large
Software
Vendor
For
A
Long
Time
You've
Been
Using
Their
Product
Now
And
It's
Forcing
Linux
On
To
These
Main
Servers
For
These
Large
Corporations
I
Think
It's
Pushing
It
More
Into
The
Main
Stream
Yeah
Well
And
Again
That's
Fine
That's
A
Good
Thing
For
Linux
To
Grow
But
Let's
Come
Let me
Come
Let me
See
If I
Can
Make
Up
An
Example
Here
Let's
Say
I'm
On
The
Spot
Here
Let
Me
See
If
I
Can
Okay
Let's
Say
I
Wanted
To
Write
A
New
Email
Client
For
Linux
Okay
I
Go
Out
To
Open
Office
Dot
Org
I
Get
The
Source
Code
For
Their
Just
Their
Standalone
Email
Part
Of
Their
Applications
Package
Okay
Which
Is
GPL
Am
I
Correct
I'm
Pretty
Sure
It
Is
Pretty
Sure
It
Is
And
It
Is
It
Is
Star
Office
And
Open
Office
Dot
Org
Is
Still
The
Open
Source
Version
That's
Still
Ongoing
I
Believe
If
I'm
Incorrect
The
Point
Being
I
Take
An
Open
Source
GPL
Piece
Of
Software
Out
There
A
Mail
Client
That
Already
Exists
And
I
Figure
Out
A
Great
Anti
Spam
Algorithm
Of
My
Own
And
I
Decide
I
Don't
Want
To
GPL
It
I
Don't
Want
To
Put
It
Out
In
The
Public
I
Take
That
GPL
Mail
Client
I
Write
Hooks
Into
Can I
Not
Then
Release
My
New
Mail
Client
Stank
Mail
And
Charge
Money
For
It
Has
My
Proprietary
Hooks
My
New
Algorithm
In
There
Technically
You
You're
Charging
Not
Really
For
The
Client
It
You
Can
Charge
For
Anything
For
The
Transfer
Of
This
GPL
Product
So
That
Is
Not
Really
What
They're
Paying
For
They're
Paying
For
The
Algorithm
That
You
Wrote
Or
This
Plugin
Wrote
Right
And
The
Reason
Being
Is
It's
Not
As
Long
As
You
Don't
Base
It
On
Any
Prior
GPL
Code
It's
Still
Legal
I
Don't
Find
It
Right
I
Think
It's
Actually
Quite
Wrong
Right
And
That's
Really
The
Message
I
Wanted
To
Send
Is
I
Don't
Think
That
Was
The
Original
Intent
I
Don't
Think
That
Was
Really
The
Heart
Of
The
GPL
I
Don't
Think
It
Was
Meant
To
Be
I
Don't
Think
This
Loophole
Was
Foreseen
No
Definitely
Not
I
Think
When
We
Were
Talking
About
This
Before
We
Were
Also
Talking
About
Software
That
Was
Written
Specifically
For
Linux
That
People
Could
Charge
For
And
Not
Have
To
Release
That
Kind
Of
Thing
I
I'm
Sure
They
Solved
Because
That
Obviously
Pushes
It
More
Toward
The
Commercial
Side
Which
Is
A
Good
Thing
But
I
Loophol
There
Is
Something
That
Wasn't
For
Scene
To
Begin
With
Right
And
Then
To
Take
It
A
Step
Further
Not
Only
That
Email
Client
Let's
Say
Stank
Mail
Is
So
Popular
I
Decide
Hey
I'm
Going
To
Download
Sousa's
Linux
Distro
Which
Is
Completely
GPL
I
Again
I'm
Assuming
It
May
Not
Be
But
I
Find
A
Linux
Distro
That
Completely
GPL
Are
You
Going
To
Stank
Six
Or
Whatever
You
Know
All
Based
On
One
Simple
Algorithm
I
Can
Now
Capitalize
And
Charge
Money
On
The
Work
Of
All
The
Open
Source
Developers
That
Made
Linux
What
It
One
Specific
Plugin
Everything
Else
Is
Available
Free
Of
Source
And
You're
Supposed
To
Be
Able
To
Provide
With
Your
Distribution
The
Source
Code
For
It
That's
Why
Red Hat
Obviously
Had
Their
Source
Discs
Basically
Since
Those
Are
Available
You're
Not
Charging
For
Them
You're
Charging
For
Your
Specific
Plugin
But
You
Can
Wrap
All
This
Around
Your
Specific
Plugin
And
Sell
It
As
One
Big
Package
In
Essence
I
Am
Right
Well
That's
What
Makes
It
So
Damn
Draw
Right
Exactly
And
To
Bring
It
Back
To
That
Sun
JDS
They
Don't
Make
The
Source
Code
Available
That
I
Can
Compile
It
And
Build
It
Myself
Because
Their
Portion
Of
It
Their
Plugins
And
Their
Hooks
Are
Not
GPL
So
You
Would
Think
That
They
Would
Have
To
Make
I
Guess
What
I
Would
Have
To
Do
Is
Download
If
I
Know
It
Based
On
Sousa
SLC
1.0
I
Have
To
Go
Download
It
Then
I
Have
To
Go
Download
The
Free
Applications
That
Sun
Has
Released
Even
Though
It
Didn't
Release
The
Source
Code
Itself
I
Can
Download
The
Applications
And
Install
Those
Star
Office
Java
Development
J2
SE
Whatever
It
See
With
Things
Like
That
Is
What
I
Understand
If
They
Are
Doing
Things
Like
That
If
They
Actually
Make
Small
Tweaks
Let's
Say
That
They
Took
Open
Office
And
They
Made
Small
Tweaks
To
It
They
Are
Supposed
To
Release
Those
Changes
That
They
Have
Made
They
Don't
Have
To
Release
Their
Proprietary
Parts
That
Their
Tweaks
Would
Interface
With
But
They
Have
To
Release
The
Changes
They
Make
And
That
Is
Clearly
Stated
In
The
GPL
Yeah
And
Who
Is
The
Person
That's
Going
To
Enforce
The
GPL
I
Think
Snake
Should
Yeah
Right
I'll
Put
That
On
My
List
Of
Things
To
Do
In
A
Weird
Kind
Of
Way
I
Am
Because
When
I
Come
On
Here
And
Rant
And
I
Tell
People
Hey
Sun
JDS
Is
Cool
But
I
Don't
Support
It
Because
Of
This
To
Enforce
The
GPL
And
Of
Course
This
Is
Sun
We're
Talking
About
Their
Pocket
Books
Are
Deep
And
Their
Lawyers
Run
Long
And
Wide
They
Probably
Have
Money
In
GPL
Too
That's
The
Thing
You
Have
All
These
Corporations
Who
Openly
Donate
Money
To
These
Organizations
To
The
Open
Source
Front
Whatever
It's
Called
Yeah
That's
Another
Problem
Huh
Yeah
But
I
Don't
Know
I
Don't
It's
Going
To
Take
Some
Major
Not
Well
Maybe
Not
Too
Major
But
It'll
Take
Some
Definite
Changes
Are
There
Any
Chances
Or
Any
Changes
In
The
Future
Is
There
A
GPL
2.0
Coming
Up
Is
There
Not
That
I
Know
Of
But
The
More
I
Think
About
It
I'm
Not
Sure
What
They
Could
Do
To
Stop
That
You
Couldn't
Make
It
Backwards
Compatible
With
Everything
Else
But
At
Least
Going
Forward
For
The
Future
You'd
Have
A
New
Start
Naming
That
Everything
Now
Is
Under
GPL
2.0
But
See
The
Only
Thing
I
Could
Think
Of
To
Stop
It
Would
Be
To
Claim
That
Everything
Written
For
A
GPL
Environment
Must
Be
Damn
Programmer
Troublemakers
Anyway
Yeah
That
Was
That
Was
Very
Good
Discussion
We
Talked
About
This
Through
Instant
Messenger
Believe
It
Or
Not
Which
Was
Whew
That's
A
Lot
Of
Typing
Speaking
Of
All
This
I
Ams
Per
Year
Yeah
Right
I'm
Glad
We
Brought
That
Up
On
The
Show
That
Was
Very
Good
Very
Good
Top
And
If
Anybody
Has
Anything
To
Add
To
That
By
All
Means
Write
Into
Us
Letters
At
BinRev
Dot
Com
Radio
At
BinRev
Dot
Com
Excuse
Me
That's
The
Old
Address
Radio
At
BinRev
Dot
Com
Is
The
New
Feedback
Address
And
I
Think
Let's
Jump
Forward
A
Little
Bit
Now
We
Started
Last
Week
We
Only
Got
A
Few
Minutes
Here
Left
But
Last
Week
We
Started
The
List
Of
101
Ways
To
Save
The
Internet
And
This
Is
An
Article
From
Wired
Magazine
And
It's
A
Bunch
Of
Short
Comments
Short
Ideas
On
What
Can
Fix
Some
Of
The
Problems
That
Are
Going
On
With
The
Internet
And
It's
Debatable
Whether
Or
Not
These
Are
Problems
Whether
These
Are
Just
Ideas
Whatever
So
Last
Week
We
Ended
On
Number
20
Which
Was
Rolled
Out
Gap
For
Geeks
And
You
Can
Check
Last
Week
Episode
27
For
That
This
Number
21
Is
Bring
On
The
Perp
Walks
I
Know
That's
A
Little
Difficult
To
Understand
But
They
Say
That
We
Want
To
See
The
Next
CEO
Whose
Company
Servers
Leaked
10,000
Credit
Card
Numbers
Marched
Past
TV
Cameras
By
The
FBI
See
I
Like
That
Idea
If
Some
Hacker
They're
Going
To
March
Them
In
Front
Of
Cameras
And
Have
The
FBI
Trailing
On
Behind
And
Throw
In
Jail
And
Stuff
Let's
Start
Holding
The
Correct
People
Accountable
For
Those
Actions
The
Person
The
Idiot
Who's
Running
A
System
That
Makes
Them
Vulnerable
Make
Him
Accountable
For
This
Stuff
As
Well
As
Whoever
Does
The
Deed
Itself
And
That
Kind
Of
Goes
Back
To
Where
We
Ended
Last
Week
Number
20
The
Gap
For
Geeks
Which
Was
Holding
People
Account
Making
An
Industry
Standard
For
Security
And
Making
Companies
And
Website
Owners
And
ISPs
Comply
With
Those
You
Know
And
They
Have
To
Comply
With
Those
So
That
Would
Actually
Work
Pretty
Well
Together
Number
22
Take
Back
UHF
We're
Tired
Of
Running
Our
Wireless
Network
On
The
Same
Frequency
As
The
Microwave
The
Cell
Phone
And
The
Neighbor's
Baby
Monitor
Channel
83
Is
Just
Sitting
There
Well
Nobody's
Using
UHF
Is
What
Their
Point
Is
That
True
Um
I
Think
In
Our
Area
When
We're
Talking
About
UHF
TV
Stations
We
Have
Three
I
Think
Yeah
I
Don't
Know
I
You
Know
What
I
Wish
Mute
Would
Know
That
If
He's
Listening
Right
Into
Me
Tell
Me
What
You
Think
Of
That
One
Taking
Back
UHF
Is
It
Time
To
Let
Go
To
Abandon
UHF
And
Use
It
For
Other
Stuff
Let
Us
Know
Number
Twenty
Three
Offer
Real
R
I
A
Amnesty
Instead
Of
Telling
Us
To
Delete
MP3
Or
Pay
A
Fine
How
Would
You
Let
Us
Pay
A
Fair
Price
To
Keep
Them
That
Goes
Back
To
One
We
Had
Before
Two
The
Second
One
Actually
From
Last
Week
Slash
Song
Prices
Charge
29
Per
Download
You'll
Make
It
Up
In
Volume
I
Said
That
Then
I'll
Say
It
Again
Now
29
Cents
I'd
Buy
A
Lot
Of
MP3
I'd
Buy
Everything
I
Have
In
My
Collection
And
Have
It
Fairly
And
Legally
On
My
Hard
Drive
But
Can
We
Have
Some
Third
Party
Determine
What
They
Fair
Price
Well
Of
Course
Yeah
Exactly
The
RAAs
Well
It
Looks
Like
They're
99
Cents
Is
Where
They're
Going
To
Try
To
Draw
The
Line
And
That's
Just
Still
Too
Much
For
Me
Yeah
You
Know
50
Cents
I
Said
Was
Reasonable
But
50
Cents
I
Would
Only
Buy
Some
Really
The
Songs
That
I
Really
Liked
From
Groups
Are
Really
29
Cents
Or
25
Cents
Even
I
Would
Buy
A
Lot
More
Stuff
And
That's
Right
Making
Up
I
Buy
The
Whole
Damn
Thing
Yeah
Actually
You
Guys
Should
Check
Out
The
Apple's
Keynote
Address
Earlier
This
Week
They
Were
Showing
Their
iTunes
Store
Saying
Showing
The
Top
Buyer
Bought
Over
30,000
Songs
Damn
What
In
The
Hell
Do
You
Do
With
30,000
Songs
How
Long
Would
It
Take
You
To
Listen
To
30,000
Songs
I
Want
To
Know
Who
That
Was
Some
Poor
Kid
Want
Some
Radio
Station
Bottom
And
I
Can
Legally
Play
The
One
There's
A
Loophole
That
We're
Missing
Number
24
Release
Episode
3
On
The
Net
It's
Going
Straight
To
Video
Anyway
Oh
That's
Just
Wrong
That's
Just
Rude
Oh
Man
That's
Cold
Hearted
It's
Right
But
Yeah
That was
Pretty
Bad
They
Better
Come
Back
Strong
With
Episode
3
But
Anyway
Number
25
Actually
I
Had
Hope
To
End
On
25
Last
Week
Because
This
Is
A
Good
One
Number
25
Pass
A
White
Hat
Protection
Act
Hackers
Who
Find
Holes
In
Corporate
Network
Should
Get
Thanks
Not
Handcuffs
Tough
That's
Going
To
Be
Tough
To
Enforce
Because
Suddenly
Everybody's
Going
To
Jump
Behind
That
Oh
I'm
No
I'm
White
Hat
You
Can't
Punish
Me
I
Didn't
Break
Into
The
Bank
On
Purpose
I
Was
White
Hat
I
Yeah
That's
A
Pretty
Big
Umbrella
Let's
Say
Tom
Down
The
Street
Breaks
Into
IBM
And
Stills
All
Their
New
Projects
But
Then
He
Tells
Them
They
Have
A
Security
Hole
I
Should
Get
A
Parade
While
Selling
Them
Off
The
Sun
Microsoft
You
Know
We're
Really
Low
On
Time
The
Next
Section
Is
About
Spam
They've
Got
Eight
Here
Yeah
I'm
Going
To
Hammer
Through
These
Super
Fast
They
Have
Eight
And
A
Little
Spam
Section
All
These
Relate
To
Spam
And
It
Has
A
Little
Disclaimer
At
The
Beginning
Saying
That
None
Of
These
Is
A
Magic
Bullet
But
Together
They
Can
Force
Junk
Mail
Down
To
Levels
We
Can
Live
With
So
I'm
Just
Going
To
Hammer
Through
These
Quickly
Number
26
Pass
A
Do
Not
Spam
List
I
Mentioned
This
On
A
Long
Time
Ago
We
Got
A
Do
Not
Call
List
What
About
A
Do
Not
Spam
List
You
Know
It's
Not
Completely
Enforceable
They
Say
That
In
Here
Too
But
You
Know
At
Least
It's
Something
A
Step
In
The
Right
Direction
Number
27
Like
Cloud
Mark
Spam
Net
Number
28
Simplify
Disposable
Addresses
That's
An
Interesting
One
Disposable
Addresses
Hmm
Number
29
Stop
Email
Forgery
A
Geeky
Feature
Called
Reverse
MX
Makes
It
Impossible
To
Masquerade
As
GW
Bush
At
White
House
Gov
Frankly
I've
Never
Heard
Of
That
Reverse
MX
Um
I
Never
Have
Either
I
Generally
Have
A
PHP
Script
That
Connects
Stock
To
The
SMTP
Server
To
Verify
The
User
But
Hmm
Yeah
And
That's
Fairly
Common
That's
What
I've
Never
Heard
A
Reverse
MX
I
Might
Have
To
Look
That
One
Up
Number
30
Scramble
Archived
Addresses
Online
Archives
A
Mailing
Lists
Are
Treasure
Trove
For
Spammers
Give
Members
The
Option
To
Have
Their
Address
Scrambled
In
Posts
Man
That
Might
Be
A
Nuisance
Though
I
Don't
Know
To
Legitimate
People
But
The
Way
We
Do
It
In
The
Forums
Is
We
Have
Those
Stored
In
A
Database
Separately
And
The
Database
Is
Protected
By
Password
And
The
Getting
Access
To
The
Database
Is
Protected
By
A
Different
Password
So
I
Don't
Know
If
That
One
Is
Really
Worth
While
I
Guess
Depends
On
How
The
Software
Is
Set
Up
Number
31
Enable
Digital
Signatures
That
Would
Be
Great
Yeah
See
That's
Been
Out
For
A
While
And
Why
Hasn't
That
Caught
On
More
Because
For
The
Most
Part
I
Think
We
Talked
About
This
One
Episode
About
How
The
Most
Email
Clients
That
Out
There
That
Do
Support
Signatures
And
Keys
In
Some
Way
Or
Public
Key
Encryption
Aren't
That
Easy
To
Use
Sometimes
Yeah
Absolutely
If
They
Make
A
Nice
Simple
Plugin
For
The
Big
Clients
It
Would
Go
Miles
It
Would
Go
A
Long
Way
32
Build
Friend
Of
It
To
Be
Simple
Yeah
For
People
Like
Me
I
Guess
For
Some
People
It
Would
Be
Great
People
Who
Are
In
Like
A
Business
Environment
That
Probably
Really
Good
But
For
People
Like
Me
I
Get
A lot
Of
For
example
Half
The
Emails
We
Started
The
Show
With
Two
Of
The
Three
Were
From
People
Who
Are
New
That
Would
Not
Have
Been
In
My
Friends
List
Or
Friends
Of
Friends
List
That
Are
New
Listeners
And
I
Would
Have
Gotten
It
Blocked
Out
So
You
Know
People
Like
Me
Who
Get
A lot
Of
Email
From
First
Time
People
Or
Introductions
From
Brand
New
People
That
Are
Finding
Out
About
The
Site
That
Is
No
Good
For
Somebody
Like
Me
But
I
Guess
At
A
Business
Or
Something
It
Could
Work
Pretty
Well
And
The
Last
One
In
This
Section
We
Close
With
This
Is
Number
33
Create
A
Peer
To
Peer
Or
P2P
Email
Program
We
Directly
Trade
MP3
Files
Instant
Messages
And
Now
Phone
Calls
Without
The
Bottom
Bother
Of
Back
End
Services
Why
Not
Email
Messages
I
Don't
I
Don't
Think
I
Get
That
At
All
Why
Would
I
Don't
Think
I
Get
That
I
Missing
Something
I
Don
What
Am
I
Missing
There
Am
I
Missing
Something
I
Think
I
Missed
It
Too
Let
Me
Read
That
Again
Create
A
P2P
Email
Program
We
Directly
Trade
MP3
Files
Instant
Messages
And
Now
Phone
Calls
Without
The
Bother
Of
Back
End
Servers
So
Why
Not
Email
Messages
Simple
Answer
To
That
Is
If
Anyone
Ever
Hosted
Their
Own
Email
Server
On
A
Dot
Or
Even
A
Broad
Band
Connection
It's
A pain
In
The
To
Keep
Host
Personal
Email
Client
Be
It's
Own
Email
Server
Would
Be
Damn
Near
Impossible
Especially
With
IPv4
And
Lack
Of
IP
Addresses
Everybody
Behind
And
That
At
Some
Point
Anyway
So
Maybe
With
IPv6
When
Everybody
Has
Got
Their
Own
IP
And
When
They
Produced
The
IP
Portability
Act
Yeah
The
IPv6
I
Haven't
Heard
That
In
A
While
I
Might
Have
To
See
What
The
Status
On
That
Is
Because
I
Haven't
Heard
Any
News
On
That
In
Quite
A
While
But
That
Is
Going
To
Be
Have
To
Be
A
Topic
For
Another
Show
Because
I
Think
We
Are
Out
Of
Time
Well
Out
Of
Time
As
Usual
Another
Packed
Episode
So
Let's
See
Yep
We're
Going to
Have
To
Bump
That
Again
And
You
Know
What
I'm
Talking
About
What
Can
I
Shout
You
Got
Shout
Out
This
Week
Actually
I
Just
Got
One
Looking
Down
Here
Shouts
To
Bland
I
Finally
Got
On
Looking
At
His
Site
And
Listening
To
Some
Of
His
Music
You
Are
One
Strange
Cracker
But
You
Got
Some
Great
Music
Yeah
And
You
Know
And
That
Yeah
I'm
Going
To
Go
With
That
Too
That's
My
Shouts
Bland
And
Quiz
There
You
Know
People
Pigeonhole
Hackers
And
They
Try
To
Class
And
I
Said
At
The
Beginning
Trying
To
Define
A
Hacker
Go
Back
And
Listen
I'm
Not
Going
To
Repeat
It
But
We're
Not
Quite
As
Simple
And
As
Easy
To
Pin
Down
A
Definition
Because
We
Are
Human
Beings
And
Every
Single
Person
Is
Different
We
Have
Different
Skills
We
Have
Different
Interests
We
Have
Different
I
Mean
Not
All
Hackers
Are
Computer
Engineering
Majors
That
Sit
In
Front
Of
Business
All
Kinds
Of
Things
And
We
Have
Different
Hobbies
And
Skills
Some
Of
Us
Are
Rednecks
Some
Of
Us
Are
Gangsters
Some
Of
Us
Are
Geeks
Some
Of
Us
Are
Women
Dressed
Like
Men
They
Run
The
Gamut
Just
Like
Society
In
General
Everybody
Out
There
Is
Different
And
It's
The
Same
Thing
With
Hackers
So
The
Reason
I
Say
That
Is
Because
Bland
And
Quister
Just
Amazes
Me
Because
He
Has
Such
A
Gift
For
Music
The
Guy
Is
Talented
So
Forget
The
Fact
That
He's
An
Elite
Hacker
Forget
The
Fact
That
He's
On
The
Radio
Every
Week
On
Radio
Freak
America
And
That
He's
In
The
Forums
Published
In
2600
Magazine
On
Top
Of
All
That
The
Guy
Is
A
Brilliant
Classical
Guitarist
The
Guy
And
Not
Just
Classical
The
Guy
Can
Play
The
Guy
It's
One
I
Liked
One
Of
My
Favorites
Called
Sunrise
I
Hope
I
Hope
The
Stream
Will
Do
The
Song
Justice
If
Not
Please
Go
Check
Out
Bland
Inquisitor
Dot
Com
And
Listen
To
The
High
Quality
Version
That
He
Has
Available
There
It's
Great
Stuff
A
Very
Talented
People
Like
Everybody
In
The
Hacking
Community
We
Have
Other
Talents
And
Other
Skills
And
People
Need
To
Appreciate
That
People
Then
The
Media
May
Make
It
Seem
Not
Saying
That
To
Be
On
A
Soap
Opera
I'm
Saying
That
Out
Of
Respect
For
Bland
And
People
Like
Him
Who
Have
Just
Phenomenal
Skills
I've
Said
Many
Times
Art
Is
Not
My
Thing
I
Am
Not
An
Art
Person
I
Can't
Draw
Stick
People
I
Can't
Make
Music
I
Can't
I
Don't
Have
That
Gift
And
When
I
See
People
Sunrise
Email
Us
Radio
At
Bin
Rev
Dot
Com
And
Voodoo
How
Thank
You
Again
Another
Great
Show
Thank
You
For
Being
Back
We'll
Have
You
Back
Again
Very
Soon
I
Hope
If
You
Can
Make
It
Thanks
For
Having
Me
And
To
The
Listeners
We
Will
See
You
All
Next
Week
Same
Hack
Time
Same
Hack
Channel
Later
Day
You
Don't
See
D
You
Know
They
Are
to
Thank you.