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hackers and freakers boys and girls children of all ages i am stank dog and you are listening
to binary revolution radio episode number 38 we are coming to you on this day in history
march 23rd 2004 that is when we originally aired but if you're listening to a rerun where were you on
march 23rd uh the opening that you heard just before my wonderful voice came on was our good friends
over at default radio they had a little fun with a um a number that was actually for sale
on ebay earlier this week and it's the famous number from that song jenny
well somebody was trying to sell that number and a new york area code i believe and they did what
default radio keeps preaching about and reminding people not to do over and over again
they left it on default so some people we won't mention any names but some people had a little
fun with that and that's the opening that you just heard so that's a nice transition into the
housekeeping section oh but but wait stank you haven't introduced your co-host yet today
oh well i'm not gonna introduce my co-host yet today because today episode 38 we are finally
going to announce the newest member of ddp who is my co-host who is on the line right now but i'm just
going to yank you guys along in irc i'm just going to yank you and tease you and i might i might reveal
it in a few minutes i don't know we'll see about how that goes but before we do a little bit more
housekeeping i want to inform people of a very very cool system that in theory has set up his
asterisk box asterisk box excuse me at 914-595-0135 call this number and he has set up a very very cool
system with some options on it that you can call uh you'll get a dial tone to start off with but
basically that's a menu and you can push some buttons on there push in some codes and get some
pretty cool stuff for example press number one and it will start playing to you through your phone
obviously that would be accessible anywhere that you can call it from a payphone from your office
phone anywhere cell phone press number one and it will play evan doorbells how i became a freak part
one so wherever you are if you're bored you want to listen to that you can dial that number
press one to hear it or you can press two to get episodes of radio freak america you can press
number three to get past episodes of binary revolution radio or press nine for a nice little anac
so if you want your anac you can call that lots of cool stuff and more to come from what i understand
so all you freaks can go check that out and our co-host is still not going to be announced dan that's
just evil of me that's just wrong um some more housekeeping before we got a couple emails but
before i talk about that we have made some updates to the website that a lot of the regular
visitors to the site night site have probably noticed excuse me i took out some dead links i
cleaned up some um some of the link boxes we had in the template that change gets affected throughout
the whole site so you'll notice all the pages have a few different link boxes on them now change the irc
logo to be clickable so all your windows users you can click and it will automatically launch your irc
client whatever that happens to be whatever it's associated with and join the BinRev channel so
that's pretty cool a long time over i should have done that a long time ago um and we changed the radio
image on the front and i'm going to give some early shout outs here to random hero thank you very much
and IRC during last week's show actually he did this for me changed the image so that it tells the new
address of our new um ddp hack radio server which we're going to talk about that in a little bit too
um but that is not not the big announcement this time the big announcement is the newest
latest and greatest official member of ddp and i don't think we should drag it out any longer
yeah yeah i do actually actually i do i know you guys and IRC are hating me right now but don't hate
the play i hate the game before we do let's go on to an email well you know if i was listening this
this would be really annoying to not know who's on the other end of the line but i'll shoot this email
quick alpha omega 13 sent me an email which this is a really cool email first of all says it's very
short says i appreciate what you're doing don't know if you care have a wallpaper that you can
add if you want great show listen daily very informative complete sentence lack of complete
sentences aside very cool email we appreciate it um it sounds really corny to say this but i
absolutely we care we're glad that you like the show i completely care about everybody listening
to the show it's very cool that you enjoy it i try to make it enjoyable you know so anytime you
guys send me an email like this i'm very appreciative as well i'm trying to do trying
to get on here each week and put out the best show i can so i'm glad that somebody is liking it so
that's cool even if i know some people out there don't exactly agree with me or don't like what i
have to say you know whatever it's all good he also sent me some wallpaper which i'm going to try
to put up in the gallery not sure exactly what the wallpaper is frankly but i'm gonna try to put
that up in the gallery um and i'm sure hack and slash will probably take care of that um so we'll
put that on his to-do list uh we got one more email from fog i don't know if i should call that fog
or fog stands for something but he says i heard about the show a few days ago and i must say it's great
i won't stop till i download all of the episodes which will take a while since i'm on 56k dial-up
sucks to be you uh also i was wondering how old are you something around 30 anyways keep up the good
work yes 30 something is close enough close enough for government work so again same to you thanks for
listening i like hearing people uh giving us feedback especially from other countries so thank you
very much for that i appreciate it um and you know what speaking of other countries and experiences
abroad and since i just gave a little hint a little teaser i think as we start the show and tell i think
it might be best to start the show and tell with my co-host for the evening and the newest member of
the digital dog pound and this time i am not teasing you anymore i'm not joking i have to say welcome
hack and slash to the show um it is definitely good to be here and i know you were hanging on to
to waiting for me i kept teasing the audience there a little bit and i know they're hating me for it
yeah i would i would be hating on you too man if uh you did that while i was uh listening to it
you know well you know i gotta keep you know i gotta keep a little bit of a tease going on but
yeah you know i'm kind of running out of breath i need you to come in here and bail me out for a minute
well yeah i don't know i mean well let's start in the housekeeping section i know
you got one thing that we're going to talk about later which is actually going to be the main topic
of the show but um what else have you been working on lately we all know that you're you know you do a
lot of um maintenance on the site frankly you help us out a whole lot which is really one of the
reasons that we we really decided it was time to offer you a position as it were with ddp
um so we know you're doing stuff with the gallery all the time we know you help moderate the forums a
lot and actually this is we kind of put a little a little hint if anybody was uh really paying
attention in the forums that you had moderator power for quite a while there yeah i don't think
anybody quite picked up on that we gave some hints we gave some teases out there but nobody picked up
on it well i mean i've never uh warned anybody yet so i guess uh that's why nobody noticed really
well i've been warning some people i've been warning my ass off lately i've been getting busy
with it that warned that i'm glad we added that one thing that was hopefully we won't need it anymore
i mean yeah well true hopefully but let's be realistic yeah so far so good though i think um i think we've
been good for a while now but have you been working on something else or do you want to you want to
hold off on your main topic or did you want to talk about some other things or what's that uh yeah well
i've been working first of all just let me say that um you said you changed the uh IRC picture
um and that windows users could uh click on it and get an IRC well there's a mozilla and i mean
there's a firefox uh extension and i'm not sure if mozilla supports it but that lets you do exactly
the same thing you can uh uh uh have the uh mail to tag work and IRC and fdp as well well right it's
going to whatever whatever's been associated through the browser whatever application is
associated to that protocol so i would assume so but yeah you're confirming for me that you've done
that in firefox yeah okay good deal with the regular mozilla but i'm i'm positive firefox works so
okay yeah um other than that i mean i've been working uh as people know who uh hang out with me
and IRC i've been working on hackburn for a couple months now yeah how is that going um it's going
pretty well i'm working with gray static on it well he's helping out with bug testing and stuff like
that props to him and uh well and before you why don't you actually give a little bit of a
of an overview and just kind of refresh everybody exactly what hackburn is okay well hackburn is just
the uh quote unquote code code name i'm going to be renaming it to something more uh presentable
you know okay i want to feed my ego off of that that much so but it's practically a pearl tk um graphic
interface to cd record mk isfs and uh mpg123 so it practically lets you burn when uh cds
and is this something that you you you had you decided that you wanted to learn as you did this
right yeah you you wanted to teach yourself a lot of this stuff and at the same time do something
yeah that you could use right because um back when i was using uh kde uh i was using k3b which is a kd
uh cd writer and it sucked really bad i mean i know people that will swear by it but it just sucks
so uh and i needed something really lightweight and not really gdk because that's still kind of heavy
and i thought that pearl tk would be a great tool to use for this and also uh to let me learn some more
so right and that's you know i'm the same way if i'm going to do something and i want to learn stuff
i want to actually apply it towards something that can be used or something that can be you know i
don't want to just do a hello world you know i actually want to give myself some sort of challenge
and some sort of goal to work towards and something that i can actually use afterwards
so that's definitely a definitely a good way to learn and i'm going to be uh posting it to fresh
meat and about a month i'm thinking is my time frame so watch out for that one all right and we will
definitely put links up and everything when that time comes and i guess i don't let's see where
should i start here i myself have been doing a lot of reading like i always do regular listeners know
that i subscribe to every magazine under the sun but recently i've actually been going real real old
school um i ordered some back issues of blacklisted 411 magazine which i mentioned before and i finished
another one of these old episodes or episodes i guess issues i should say and this one was volume two
volume two issue three which came out third quarter july 1995 so let's go back and get a little
nostalgia getting that mindset that mind frame here and i thought i'd do a little quick review of this
even though this is old old material i i like reading some of this old stuff believe it or not
some of it is still applicable still useful and still interesting while other stuff is actually kind of
funny and humorous and i'll i'll get to a couple of those first of all this in general this was a much
better issue the one i talked about last week was volume two issue one this is volume two issue three
and i skipped two because i already have that somewhere and i didn't go back and reread them
in order so volume two issue three better better infinitely better the last one the thing that i did
not like about and i mentioned was that it had just tons and tons of ads in it and the stuff that was
not ads was a bunch of lists bbs listing and and modem string lists and stuff like that interesting i guess
useful but the kind of thing that i personally would just wait and look up online or store in a
text file somewhere and look it up when i need be that's what google's for yeah exactly but back then
you know let's got to get that 1995 mindset here so i guess you know back then and and again this one
had some more of that don't get me wrong it had bbs listings for gosh i don't even remember now because
i skipped right past them because it was you know it just didn't do anything for me so
had some bbs listings a they're old b they would only be interesting to you if you were living in
that area this one was new jersey i see well i guess it'd be pretty cool to see if any of them were
still up i guess but well yeah i mean i don't know that there are that's that's an interesting
question that's a question for people to write into us radio at binrev.com let us know if you
actually know and still use a bbs system if you still dial up to an old school bbs or you run an
old school bbs because so many of them have changed like oh you know moomoo security they've got one
that's set up but it's all over the web it's different you know it's not exactly the same thing
so that doesn't count are there any old school dial-ups left out there i'd be interested to hear
that because i just i think they're all dead i haven't owned a modem in about two years yeah i
mean i've no i've got modems laying around that's definitely got the modems but i don't use them for
that type of stuff much anymore and you'd think that there's still people out there doing some
war dialing you'd think that they you'd still see and hear about them in forums and websites and
stuff like that and i just don't even see or hear them mentioned anymore
but anyway that's you know this is again these are reference materials and like you said stuff
you could google or look up later there's an abbreviation list in here i don't know why i mean
it's not even abbreviation listing of just different i mean this is silly like some of these are obvious
or we know like ack acknowledge you know cynac we know that uh adsl asymmetrical digital subscriber line
did i really need to have this one two three four five six and a half page list and this is only a
through c so i'm sure in the next one they're going to start with d and blah blah blah i mean
okay how about like i don't this is not going to change my life right here crfmp and i'm picking
these at random crfmp you ever heard of such a thing uh no i have not even when i tell you this
you're still never going to hear of that's one cable repair force management plan okay what is that
i i don't know who cares about this why would they print something like this does that have anything to
do with cable modems and i in 1995 yeah i guess i see your point i don't you know i'm like i don't
i don't know seems silly to me but hey whatever it's still even it had that in it it had bbs it had
um it even had this joke like this type of stuff you would send around an email it's called bathroom
men types of men one would meet in a public restroom well first of all that just sounds dirty
in 1995 maybe it was a much more innocent time or something like that i don't know but i'm not
meeting strange men in the bathroom that just sounds perverted to me but hey what am i talking about
um there in even this one had a games tip let me see what the games were i'm curious now i did not
check that out games tips in in the quote official hackers magazine uh lemmings classic classic kick-ass
game don't get me wrong but it has a list of lemmings cheat codes john madden football paper boy
two smash tv another kick-ass game and super r type so how's that for dating it paper boy what two
paper boy two i've never heard of that yeah right well uh let's see press six four seven nine pressing
right on the control pad whatever not what i was really expecting interesting but whatever
um but the thing is the articles that were around all of this stuff this time were much much better
than they were in the other magazine the other one i was just like i didn't get much out of at all
this one i have to say had some good articles in it one in particular um was from someone called x
spook i don't know if he still exists today and if he possibly listens to the show but he had an
article uh called cheating without cheat codes and how to count to hex ff now this one i thought was
still a good article because a talked about computing number systems something that's near and dear to me
and a topic i love and we had an article a similar article by fiend in binary revolution magazine
this one talked about specifically decimal to hex for the most part and then hex to binary and the
relationship between them but then it went on to apply this towards video gaming and editing and
modifying your saved games to use them to cheat at video games now that part's a little bit you know
whatever but the fundamentals of this and how it works and why it works i thought was very cool and
it was pretty well written i have to say it was pretty decent so
um it kind of seemed like it might have been you know he talks about hex editing and modifying your
saved game files and how you can change your shields to be a certain number and how much power your
weapons do and stuff like that but fundamentally this is the same thing that people do in cracking
software now it's changed and it's gotten more sophisticated lately but fundamentally you know this
was how cracking began and first started people would see where uh things were changing in memory and
they were checking registration sometimes the files were just an encrypted file that was registered
and you could figure out what was being changed it was hex codes it was registry entries and stuff like
that so if you understand this concept it is very very rudimentary introduction to cracking in general
and when i say cracking i mean writing cracks for software kind of more in the where
juarez communities per se these days
um
oh another funny thing that dated this
right here on page 31 here's a full page ad for
defcon 3
oh man you gotta scan that and put it up in the gallery
you know i that's a good idea i did not think i might just do that
this i when i saw this i was like wow 1995 defcon 3 alternative computer convention august 4th to 6th las vegas
but some of this stuff some of this stuff still it still goes on you know like um
let's see first of all it's kind of funny it says loads of fun k-rad events include and it's kind of
elitized which i thought was funny
uh spot the fed they had back then
uh red box building contest
uh t1 video conference with other cyber cafes
uh illuminati nwo and magic contests
i'm not sure what that is i think magic is that old is the card game
if if that's what i'm thinking of i'm not sure if that's what they were talking about or something worse
but um they had hacker jeopardy
back then i didn't realize that had been around so long
and uh they listed some of the speakers here
it's a full page ad it has the defcon voice system i don't know if that number still works or still exists
um man
thirty dollars in advance forty dollars at the door
what is it what is it now
you know what i do not know the answer to that
i seems like i think
i vaguely
somebody correct me but i want to say it was eighty bucks
now for the weekend
i think
but i could be wrong
maybe eighty bucks per day i'm not sure
well yeah with inflation and everything so
well i guess it's really not
that's ten years almost
that's almost ten years ago man
that's
yeah
yeah that's that's nothing to sneeze at man
um
anyway to try to wrap this up a little bit more quickly
there was another article on ufos in the back of this
whoopty freaking do
i guess
whatever floats your boat
but
hacker magazine ufos
didn't do anything for me
uh there was a good article
it was a reach
but i liked it
it was on arcade game
piracy
and about how the rom
how about how the actual
boards
the pcbs
on these
pinball machines
and arcade games
and stuff
get copied
and how they're pirated
and how the
some of the legal loopholes
that existed back then
and actually this was written
with a historic perspective
talking about pre-1995
as well as
modern day
well written
and i thought it was interesting
um
it says by
sir harry wozniak
but
i think we know that's a pseudonym
obviously
um
there was also an article
this didn't do much for me
but some of the freaks out there
might like it
it was cellular hacking
what exactly is it anyway
by someone called
digital thunder
um
it
had some great diagrams
but
frankly i couldn't follow it
because i didn't know a lot of this terminology
i'm not a
not a big freak
so i didn't
didn't do too well reading this one
um
there
it has an amiga section
that's something else that'll date this
it has an amiga section
which i thought
is very cool to even have such a thing
because back then
the amiga was pretty cool system
never caught on
it never really grew
but
amiga had a pretty cool system
this was mostly just news items
and
generic stuff wasn't really an article per se
but i just thought it was
pretty cool to even have it in the first place
kind of like we're going to start
um
having a more regular mac section
a hackintosh section if you will
so
i thought that was pretty cool
so all in all
i thought this was
head and shoulders above the previous issue
still had what i thought was some
i won't say wasted space
but some
topics that could have been used somewhere else
so
have you
do you have any issues with blacklist
did you ever read this at all
uh
no
not at all
i mean
um
are there any uh
they're not still in publishing rights
well and that's that's the thing
that's why i'm bringing this back up here
ten years later
um not so much because we're hard up for material
well that's always the case
but because they just recently came back
and started publishing again
so they are back in the news
they have started releasing the magazine lately
from what i understand
now i ordered the newest issue and haven't gotten it
so i don't know what's up with that
um i think you mentioned something about
they had to print some extras or
they're stuck at the printers or something like that
so it should be coming
but i ordered these back issues at the same time
and got them already
so yes they are being republished now
so you can
i don't know exactly where you can find them
you can definitely go to the website
uh blacklisted
i think it's blacklisted.net or blacklisted411.net
i don't recall
but it'll it's in the show notes from last week i think
and it'll be there again this week i'll make sure
um
but they
i remember them
the issues that i had
they were very hard to find anyway
and it was around 94, 96
in that range
so
i guess they probably stopped around 96, 97
at least as far as i know
yeah
so you never saw any back then
uh well back then i was
six
oh man suddenly i am so old
i am so incredibly old
well i guess you'll get the second generation now
blacklisted and we'll check that out and see how it is
and i'll
if and when i ever get it
we'll talk about that one on the air too
and and uh
see if how much they've changed if at all
uh definitely looks a lot better
color cover stuff like that now
but um
and i actually sent in an article to them last week
i got in touch with the
the publisher and the people over there
and um
i don't know if they're going to be able to use it or anything
but i sent in an article to them so
we'll see how that goes
now one other thing that i wanted to mention
is that
and this is kind of local
so i know a lot of people might not
i'll make this quick
we have something in fort lauderdale coming up
called the tech galaxy conference
it's going to be march 27th
which is a week from airing almost a week
the upcoming weekend
tech galaxy 04
and what this is
is a conference
conference put on by a group called flux which is florida uh florida linux unit users group
users exchange excuse me i think it is
and also put on with s so flow jug which is south florida java users group
and they're putting on basically it's the first time they've ever done this
they're trying to get all of florida's user groups together for one big conference
so the linux users groups and the java users groups and the database user groups and stuff like that
some of which i'm members of some of them not
um
are getting all together
and at the last minute cy pete
uh who's written articles for bin rev
uh good friend
uh signed up
our local 2600 group
so we're going to try to go there and represent a little bit
uh it's going to be
at nova southeast university
if anybody is down here would like to attend
by all means attend please
check that out
um
going to be tables set up for every group
there's going to be a 45 minute seminar by each group
so there's going to be seminars going on all day
it's exhibitors
stuff like that
so
not sure exactly what to expect
but i will be at that this weekend
i'm sure i'll talk about it on the next show
uh how that went
and that's
that's what i've been working on
we've got a big topic coming up on the show
and i don't want to take too much time from it
the only other thing i want to mention
i guess this is a good point
to talk about the
ddp hack radio server
now hopefully
you're listening to this episode on that
unless there was a problem of some sort
we have the hack radio server up and running
seems to be fairly steady
we've been testing it over the past month
off and on
testing bandwidth
testing consistency
testing the software
and getting it set up
and stuff like that
so
as you're well aware
default started on that
a couple weeks ago
and they seem to be doing well
and today will be our first official
streaming to
the new ddp hack radio server
so
we changed
as i mentioned earlier
we changed the graphic on the front page
so that if you click
you will go directly to
our server now
instead of
over at rant radio
now we're still streaming to rant radio
don't get me wrong
and people who are going through rant radio
we're still there
but
we have a backup
because we had some problems
with the server being down before
so we just want to make sure
that we get the show streamed out
through a couple different locations
so
please check that out
and report any problems
you're having with that
we've got a scheduling grid up
if you go to the radio.binrev.com page
you'll see a link to the schedule
that you can check on
and that's growing
we're adding stuff to it
as we get new shows
signed up
and work out some
scheduling things
and stuff like that
so
make sure you check that out
often to see what we've been
adding to it
and
that's enough for me man
I'm tired just from talking
about all that crap
I think
now would be a good time
and pardon me
I'm going to have a glass of iced tea here
ah
that's real bad radio
but
our main topic today
is going to be from my co-host
hack and slash
have you
do you have a drink handy
are you all ready
because you're about to do some talking here
no I don't
but I'll be good
alright now
today's main topic
is
something that I know
you've been playing with
for a while now
and that is
the new Linux 264
is that correct
264 kernel
yeah
ok so
that's the latest
why don't you
start wherever you think
is the best
because I know
you've been spending
quite a bit of time with it
and
I guess basically
give us a little bit
of a review
what's good
what's bad
what's different
however you want to start
well
I don't think
it would be
that informative
to start with
2.6.4
since
these point releases
are
they have been
very
released very often
as is usually
the case
with the Linux kernel
right
so they're mostly
bug fixes
some driver updates
stuff like that
the main
point I want to make
is the difference
between
2.4
and 2.6
oh absolutely
and
there's a couple
of
really big
differences there
first of all
they have
a new
scheduler
which has been
in there
from
2.5
point
I don't
remember exactly
what the point
release was
but it was
an early
2.5 release
right
it was in
one of the
mid betas
is that
yeah
the odd
numbers
and
now
it
practically
improves
performance
on
multi
processor
servers
and stuff
like that
so
and that
was added
in
2.5
and it's
stable
now
in
2.6
correct
yeah
okay
and what else
is new
from 2.4
to 2.4
well
since 2.4
we'll word it
that way
you know
Intel
has
hyper
threading
right
2.4
didn't
support it
and
2.6
now
does
well
that's
that's a
very cool
addition
people
with
Pentium 4s
with
hyper
threading
can take
advantage
of that
they have
a lot
of
threading
improvements
software
which uses
multi
threading
and stuff
like that
is
improved
in
2.6
now
is it
by default
enabled
and ready
to go
or do you
have to
go in
and tweak
some
configurations
and stuff
to get
it
I'm
not sure
about that
I'm
really
not sure
I think
it's probably
built in
from scratch
and only
if you want
to override
it would
you change
anything
or actually
I assume
obviously
like any
kernel
you can
remove
things
that you
don't want
or don't
need
so
if you
have a
processor
that's
not
hyper
threading
capable
you could
probably
remove that
from the
kernel
and make
it a little
bit more
efficient
one of
the really
big things
is alpha
the advanced
linux sound
architecture
right
now I did
hear about
that
yeah
which replaced
OSS
the open
sound system
and
it's better
I was going to
say in one
word
better or worse
better
definitely
much better
yeah
it's got
first of
all
it's got
support
for
many more
sound cards
right
it plays
along with
the kernel
really well
since it's
built in
it's built
in
earlier
releases of
alpha
with the
2.4
kernel
sometimes
clashed
they had
differences
but this
one
I mean
for me
it works
very well
I have
a rather
well
supported
card
it's a
integrated
VT
8233
via
and I've
really never
had any
problems
with it
so
okay
I don't know
other than
that
they have
rewritten
I've
I understand
that they've
rewritten
a lot of
memory
allocation
code
in
2.6
obviously
for efficiency
purposes
yeah
and just a lot
of general
bug fixes
there have
been
really a lot
of them
since 2.3
and
from these
2.6
point releases
yeah now see
that's
that's kind
of a
I know a lot
of the
Linux Nazis
are going to
hate me for
saying this
but that is
one of the
knocks that
I have
against
Linux
and some
obviously
it varies
from distro
to distro
and etc
etc
but
the whole
point
bad pun
on that
point
the whole
point
of
the point
system
I don't
know how
to phrase
that properly
is that
the even
numbers are
supposed to
be the
stable
ones
bugs
and it's
I don't
know too
many
I mean
that's
what the
whole point
of putting
out 2.5
and 2.5
whatever
and the
2.3
shouldn't they
have worked
out a lot
of those
bugs
well if
you take
a 2.5
kernel
and compare
it to
the 2.6
you will
see that
obviously
there's
way less
bugs
than 2.6
I would
hope so
but there's
still some
that they
make the
point releases
are the
majority of
those though
in the
included and
bundled apps
and utilities
and stuff
like that
or are
they in
the kernel
themselves
the kernel
itself
well
like for
example
also you
say
yeah
that is
built into
the kernel
correct
yeah
so if
it's a
problem
with one
particular
driver
for one
particular
motherboard
you know
to their
credit
that's very
difficult
to test
every single
motherboard
and every
single
possibility
and debugging
something like
that's got to
be tough
but
it's something
that it seems
to me like
it just has
to be done
when you're
going to
include it
into the
kernel by
default
like that
yeah but
you know
I mean
it's really
not the
kernel
developer's
job to
do that
right
and that's
absolutely
the point
I was
driving at
is that
you know
these are
any time
you have
a lot
of these
there's
compatibility
issues
and stuff
like that
you try
to get rid
of as many
of those
as you can
and integrate
it into
the kernel
but you're
always going
to have
them
and it's
not necessarily
the fault
of the kernel
or a knock
against Linux
itself
and I know
you probably
won't like me
saying this
but I have
to use the
same defense
for Windows
sometimes
a lot
of times
when Windows
crashes
it's due
to device
drivers
that go
bad
somebody wrote
a crappy
driver
for Windows
XP
and you know
what happens
is
Windows has
its problems
don't get me
wrong
but blaming
every single
crash on
Bill Gates
and on
Microsoft
is a little
bit unfair
a lot of
them you can
blame on him
but not all
of them
it's the same
same thing
holds true
with both
operating systems
or with any
operating system
for that matter
yeah well
I don't know
I mean
Bill Gates
is evil
and Linus
isn't
so I guess
gee I didn't
see that
one coming
yeah
no other
than that
I mean
symmetric
multi-processing
is improved
highly
in 2.6
so you can
really use
dual CPU
machines
and multi-CPU
servers
and stuff
like that
right
now that
support's
been there
but it's
just
improved
now
yeah
and isn't
that
if I
probably
shouldn't
speak about
this
because I
don't have
a whole lot
of experience
but isn't
that something
that's been a
strength of
like BSD
free BSD
um I really
don't have any
experience with
BSD or
yeah if somebody
out there
knows that
I had always
kind of heard
that the
the true
Unixes for
lack of a
better word
were a little
bit better at
that but I
could be wrong
somebody by all
means correct me
on that
now all right
let me let me
ask you this
then I on
my laptop I
dual boot to
uh Red Hat
I don't
8 maybe
it's been a
while since I've
even paid
attention to the
version of what
the distro is
because it's
kind of irrelevant
but I know I'm
running kernel 2.4
2.4.2 I think
is there any
reason should I
update to 2.6
wait you're
earning 2.4.2
it's 2.4
something I
don't not
sure
well
um
actually
with some of
the early test
versions of 2.6
I heard that
I think uh
I'm not sure
but I think it
was Ntheory
on the forums
who said that
his um
laptop fans
stopped using
a ACPI
power management
from the
2.6
one of the
test kernels
I should think
I'm not sure
so you might
want to be
careful with
that
well that's
not cool
that's on an
early 2.6
you say
yeah
okay
well that's
definitely not
cool
especially on
a laptop
yeah
well and the
thing is
it's not
and that's
why I'm
probably a
good example
I boot
over into
that on
my laptop
only for
you know
a few hours
at a time
when I want
to work on
something
specifically
or I want
to test
something
specifically
in Linux
I will
boot over
there for
just a
short period
of time
so for
somebody
like me
who's just
going to go
in there
for a
specific
purpose
to work
with a
specific
application
to bring
up Kismet
or something
like that
is there
any point
in me
upgrading
to 2.6
honestly
probably not
the laptop
is a P4
it has
hyper threading
support
but because
of the nature
of what I
use it for
I don't think
I would take
advantage of
some of those
features
probably not
if you have
a CD
burner
for example
2.6
has
ID
burning
it's not
SCSI
emulation
anymore
so you know
you might
like to
instead of
using one
of those
SCSI
numbers
0103
whatever
you could
just use
dev
slash
HDD
or HDC
or whatever
your CD
writer
device is
you know
it's just
small things
like that
that usually
make people
switch
I like it
because I'm
working on
Hackburn
and it's
easy to
just
type in
the
drive
device
and the
whole number
thing
so
right
and now
since you
started
developing
that
a while
back
I assume
under
2.4
maybe even
earlier
were there
any drastic
code
changes
or anything
that you
had to
make
or adapt
no
ran
perfectly
smooth
when you
upgraded
no
problem
with that
so
very cool
well
definitely
right now
my Linux
boxes at
the house
are all
dead
for one
reason
or another
not
because
mostly
because
of
hardware
problems
hard drive
died
and
had a
power surge
on another
one
that took
it out
so right
now
I need
to rebuild
all of my
Linux
boxes
so I
don't need
to do
any kernel
upgrades
on anything
right now
but
it sounds
like I
would probably
go ahead
and make
this upgrade
on my
desktop
machines
but it
sounds
like for
my laptop
it's
probably
not
necessary
for me
right now
yeah
maybe
if
Red Hat
actually
releases
an RPM
or some
easy
well you know
Red Hat
really stopped
doing the whole
Red Hat
thing so you
might want
to try
Fedora
yeah
and I've
been thinking
about that
too but
again I use
it so
infrequently
and it has
that's
one of the
great things
about Linux
too is
it has
everything
I really
want
already
yeah
you know
and if I
want a new
app or
something I
just grab it
and bring it
down I
don't care
that it's
you know I
know some
people
the term
distro whore
comes to
mind
some people
have to
install
oh Red Hat
8 point
whatever came
out Red Hat
9 is out
Red Hat
10 is out
oh Fedora
is out
I have to
no for
me you
know as
long as
it's unless
there's something
and that's
why I was
bringing up
that's why
it's great
to talk
about this
kernel
that's why
it's such a
great topic
is let's
talk about
what is new
in this
kernel and
what is
worth
whether it
is worth
upgrading and
changing if
it's something
that you would
take advantage of
or use or not
because you can
perfectly you can
still be running
you don't even have
to be running a
two kernel you can
be running
anything as long as
it gets the job
done and what you
want to do
yeah you know
don't upgrade for
the sake of
upgrading
you know I
mean one of
those like
really old
kernels that
are all the
bugs and
everything are
fixed for
you could very
well use that
for a server
you know just
to be secure
absolutely
absolutely and
that's one of
the things if
you want to do
a little Microsoft
bashing here we
go that's one of
the things that I
do hate about
Microsoft
that they force
you to upgrade
right absolutely
and it's so
despicable you
know that they
they basically
cancel support
they cancel
selling it they
just sunset the
whole line
Windows 95
really really
sucks in some
ways but if
it gets the
job done it
gets the job
done man there's
no need to go
pay to upgrade to
a new operating
system if the one
you have is
perfectly fine and
anytime I that's
when I anytime I
have an opportunity
like that that's
when I really push
Linux instead of
telling somebody oh
your 95 works fine
it does everything
you want to but
Bill Gates wants
you to come
upgrade to Windows
XP or whatever
else newest thing
he's got out and
wants you to pay
in that much
more money you
don't have to do
that it's
unnecessary use the
proper tools for
the job whatever
that may be so
that's one thing I
do hate and I'll
tell you it's even
worse at large
corporations and
universities let me
tell you firsthand
when you get a
site license you're
signing away support
to all that you
guarantee part of
the site license
agreement is okay
we will purchase a
site license for our
entire company for
Windows XP and in
the contract says
we hereby swear that
we are going to
uninstall or upgrade
every copy of
Windows 2000 to
XP that's part of
that agreement and
you take it or leave
it and the thing is
you take it these
corporations they you
know I'm sorry you
may disagree with me
here but in the real
world you have to
have Windows because
there's so many users
that just aren't going
to be able to handle
a new operating
system and learning
something new from
scratch you may put
it on servers here and
there independent ones
that that the IT people
may take care of but
for your desktop users
the secretaries that
are typing up your
documents and doing
calendars and printing
off pictures of puppies
and whatever else they
do those are the
people that you have to
provide something for
them to work with
easily and it's just
you know that's
something that companies
just don't have a whole
lot of choice they do
it or they get left
behind yeah and
that's really
frustrating sometimes
and it's not only
that they force you to
upgrade your software
but when you see for
example if you jump
from let's say 98 to
XP your machine that
ran 98 perfectly won't
face up to XP because
of the hardware
requirements you know
right well might not
but yeah probably will
not so they're also
driving the hardware
Intel thing well yes
of course I mean if
you've seen the if
you've tried the
Longhorn leaks you'll
see that there's a lot
of stuff that I mean
don't get me wrong I
really hate Microsoft
but some of that stuff
is really cool well
listen there's nothing
I don't like the way
Microsoft does business
yeah but I do like
some of Microsoft's
products I really do I
think I like man I'm
going to get roasted
in email for saying
this but I like
Microsoft Outlook I
like it it's a good
useful product because
I use it every day at
work and it's
yeah I know I actually
downloaded it at home
but I can't use it at
work because the reason
I said earlier we're
forced to we have
calendaring and we have
to use one that
everybody can read and
that they've set up I
don't have a whole lot of
choice and as long as
you're smart about it
which most people
aren't you know oh
look here's an
attachment read me dot
exe click click click
all of a sudden
everybody's infected you
know if you're smart
about it it's not so
bad it has annoyances
like everything else I
guess but anyway there's
our there's our
Microsoft bash oh the
week get that out of
the way oh man what
else anything else 2.6
worth mentioning that
we should bring up
um I know I'm probably
forgetting something
right here but I
really don't I don't
think there's anything
else yeah we can we'll
we can always bring it
up on a later show
talk about it some more
I'm sure there's tons of
stuff that we've missed
actually you know that
there's tons of
improvements I mean those
are just the major ones
and even stuff that
you don't see you know
like like just code
cleanup and stuff like
that you know speaking
of code cleanup is it
completely SCO free
um well Linux has always
been pretty much SCO free
not according to SCO
well yeah but you know
you know SCO's wrong I
mean well don't you
well they know they're
they're absolutely 100%
right I mean they sued
that means they're right
doesn't it I mean yeah
I'm being sarcastic of
course no they're just
uh I read this uh I
read some article where
Linus was talking about
SCO and uh and I quote
uh he said that there
are several levels of
SCO being wrong and even
if we were in that
alternate universe where
SCO would be right
they'd still be wrong
so yeah my favorite I
read on the air one
time was about uh them
smoking where he said
that they must be
smoking crack yeah yeah
I've seen that one too
that one was pretty good
that was pretty good
well yeah we can always
do SCO bashing too but
I think we've beaten
that horse into the
ground as well I don't
think there's really much
more to be said about
that um all right well
we are getting close to
time here so how do you
want to how do you want
to handle this here I
want to talk about let's
see I'll do a quick
mention of this show
there's an upcoming show
called CTIA wireless
2004 it is the large I'm
going to read the blurb
here it's the largest
most comprehensive show
in the wireless industry
in the premier venue to
exchange ideas create
partnerships and
collaborate to bring
wireless telecommunications
to new heights we have
done all the legwork to
bring every element of
wireless together in one
location over the course
of three days this global
event draws attendees from
dozens of different
industries in more than
80 countries around the
world serving every
aspect of the wireless
providers every aspect of
wireless excuse me
providers users developers
buyers and manufacturers if
you can only attend one
industry event this year
choose CTIA for the
greatest value under one
roof crap I guess we have
to cancel hope five now
yeah because this is the
one to attend crap well
actually this is March 22nd
22nd through 24th which is
exactly when we're airing the
show so I guess it's a
little too late to make
this one now but you know
though I was looking through
the website and what was
really bizarre was the last
day you know what the final
event of the whole thing the
wireless fashion show okay
wait so there I do don't ask me
I don't know chicks walking
around with cell phones on their
breastuses I don't know what's
going on
oh no cell phone bras maybe
I have no idea they show there
was one picture on the site and
it was a chick wearing just like
this little dress when she was
holding like a PDA in her hand
like she was like it was a
price is right model or
something I don't know but there
but there was a pic she was
walking along a runway I don't know
dude I think it's just an excuse to
look at hot chicks myself hey
whatever works I give that a big
W O O T if that's what it's
about I'll check that out maybe I
can make this by Wednesday we're
streaming this on Tuesday maybe
I can hop on a plane and make it
there for the fashion show you could
do a live been read from there yeah
we can do the hack TV prawn and
actually the the real thing is called
the wireless they're talking about
a lot of different things but the
main push is on cell phones and it
will be interesting to see if
there's this shows as big as they
claim and they're going to release
so much stuff here I'd like to see
what kind of new phones they come
out with because we've talked about
the show how frustrating it is that
Japan is so far ahead of us in
cell phone technology it's just so
maddening to see how the all the cool
stuff that they have on their cell
phones that we still don't get for a
year two years later so maybe they'll
announce some things maybe some stuff
will come out at this event and we'll
have some cool announcements on the
upcoming episodes about it that would
be nice to see some breakthrough
technology on our country over in our
country for a change over in the
United States I shouldn't say our
country over in the United States for a
change so anyway man I think I'm not
sure I didn't set the timer but I think
we're pretty close to up so why don't
you got any I'll let you I'll let you
start off with a shout out so I've got a
special shout out but why don't you if
you want to shout anybody out take your
shot man anybody you want to go for
it's all yours um I just want to shout
out to dual and bland for RFA and we're
all waiting for a HPR shouts to the
people in the in IRC who are probably
listening to this right now don't know
and shouts to access excess who turned
me on to Linux and everything so shouts to
him he's my homeboy anybody who turned
someone on to Linux deserve shouts yeah
definitely for all you uh Linux Turner
honors out there Linux Turner honors yeah
I'll second that one I'll make sure to put
that in the show notes there you go oh yeah
that's gonna be kind of ironic isn't it and
think about that yeah well maybe somebody
else can do this this week oh I don't
know you might be opening yourself up to
some cheap shots by doing that yeah I'll
just I'll take care of it yeah I thought
that might be best all right well uh all
right well um my shout outs kind of
serious I just have to say shout out again
I second everything that you said
absolutely agree completely I've said my
shout outs to all to RFA for everything
that they've done but singling out
specifically this week I want to say
congratulations to mr. and mrs. dual
parallel so on a personal note
congratulations from me to you um very
cool and I spoke to him just yesterday
uh he put up a great text file by the way
I should pimp this text file he put up on
oldschoolfreak.com the freaking oahu
got to check that out very very well
written article very cool stuff so um yeah
I'm sorry it's got some pictures too from
Hawaii yeah some cool pictures and it's
exactly what I was when he when he posted
the pictures of the pay phones it's
exactly what I was picturing them like
too I thought that was pretty neat so that
is it um feedback again radio at
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in now and our closing music this week
I'm going to go with brad sucks again I
really like this guy a lot he gave me
permission was very cool talking with
him on email to to use his music and he
actually gave us a link over on his
site so um go check him out of course
we put links to all our music in the
show notes on the radio page so you can
always go check out the music we're
playing not only brad sucks but a lot of
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want to support them so go check any and
all of them out this particular track
again brad sucks is called fixing my
brain so we're going to close out with
that and hack and slash again thank you
for doing the show thank you for that
review I appreciate it and welcome to
ddp good to have you aboard thanks so
let's close out the show the same way
we always do about this time we'll see
everybody next week same hack time
name hack channel
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